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The Epstein Chronicles
The Sarah Kellen Congressional Transcript (Part 5) (6/13/26)
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Sarah Kellen told Congress that she was not a willing architect of Jeffrey Epstein’s operation but one of his victims, claiming Epstein groomed, abused, isolated, and controlled her for years. She described herself as trapped inside his world through...
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What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to Sarah Kellen's conversation with Congress. Mr. Biggs, thank you. And again, thank you for your courage speaking up here with us today. We appreciate it very much. I hope you don't mind that I'm going to revisit the discussion we had with regard to Redacted, I believe. Redacted. And I just want to confirm in my mind to understand if that's okay, and I'm not trying to step outside the bounds that we've set, but here we go. So if I understand right, Redacted is the one who arranged your trip to Epstein's island to pursue the job as an assistant. Kellan. Correct. Biggs. And she also accompanied you to the island? Kellan. Yes. Biggs. And she was your roommate for several days on the island. Kellen. Yes. Biggs. You were offered the job, I understand, during your visit to the island. Kellen. Not that trip. Biggs. Okay. Kellen. I traveled with them for about a week. We were on the island for about 33 days, and then Palm beach for a few days, and then New York for a few days. And then I flew back to Hawaii. It was September 10, 2001, so I remember it like it was the day before September 11th. I was sinking like I had just been in New York the day before. And I flew back to Hawaii, went back to my job at the hotel restaurant, and then probably like three weeks or a month later, Ghislaine called me and asked if I could fly to Palm beach that day to start training to work. Biggs. Alright. And did. Redacted. Did she ever end up working for Epstein or Maxwell? Kellen no, not that I'm aware of. Biggs and to your knowledge, did she ever. Well, I'll just leave it there. I appreciate the answers. Timmons. Thank you. I want to ask some questions about the non prosecution agreement. You're specifically mentioned in it. Were you represented by an attorney in that process? Kellen no. Timmons when did you find out that your name was included in the non prosecution agreement? When it was publicly released. Timmons. Around what time? Around what year? I think it was probably like a year or two. And after it was executed when I think there was like a fight, a legal fight about undoing it or something and it had been or not been a secret anymore and it was released to the public. Mr. Timmons, you have met Darren Indyke. Yes. Timmons. When did you first meet him? Beginning of my employment in 2002. How regular was your interaction with him? Not super regular. We worked out of the main office on Madison Avenue in in New York. And then eventually they moved offices to 301 E. 66th St. So I didn't go to the main office very often. Mr. Timmons, have you met Richard Khan? Ms. Kellen yeah. Timmons. When did you meet him? Kellen when he started working? I don't know. He replaced. There was a different accountant when I first started working and he replaced him a few years into my employment. TIMMONS how regular was your interactions with Khan? Kellen. Again, pretty much the same thing. He worked in the Madison Avenue office. So it wasn't super regular. Timmin. So again, you are not represented by an attorney when your name was put into a non prosecution agreement by the Department of Justice? Kellen. Correct. I was never questioned by any law enforcement. Didn't have an attorney. Timmons. You said that earlier. Have you ever been questioned by law enforcement? Kellen. Not until 2019 for the first time ever. Timmons. You were not questioned by any law enforcement before 2019? Kellen. Not a single, not a single law enforcement ever until 2019 for the very first time. Timmons. Were you aware that Epstein was considering pleading to something in an effort to wipe away all the crimes he had committed as of 2007? Were you aware that he was being investigated? Were you aware that there was a legal issue? Kellan. Yeah. Timmons. And you had no knowledge that you were associated with his non prosecution agreement? KELLAN. No. TIMMONS Has Richard Indyke ever represented you in any capacity? Kellan Darren Endyke Timmons. Sorry, Darren Endyke. Not officially, but he was Timmons. Did he create your llc? He did, yes. Timmons. So he did represent you. Has Richard Kahn ever done any work for you? Has he prepared your taxes? Kellan I don't know. I did my own taxes in the beginning. Timmons did you ever submit any documents to Khan's firm for the purpose of review? So I don't know of con how much he was involved, but it was another accountant, redacted, who took all the banking for SLK Designs and all the associations. Timmons. And you were one of the plaintiffs that sued the estate? Kellen. Yeah. Timmons Did Indyk ever provide you any legal advice prior to outside the llc? Has he ever provided you with legal advice? Kellen he was kind of like the liaison for hiring attorneys for me in some of the civil cases. He basically was like, these are your attorneys connecting me with him. He was the one who helped schedule the dates for my deposition. He's the one who would give me documents to sign, not my ex attorneys who were supposedly my attorneys. He was going to do it. Timmons. So did you ever sign a representation agreement with Darren Indyken? No. I remember he told me one time, I think, I don't know how, I was subpoenaed for a deposition and he told me to get my own attorney and that Jeffrey would pay for it. And then Jeffrey was upset with how much it costs and he didn't want to pay the fees. So then he sent Darren and I an email that said, you know, can somebody tell me we have this goofball lawyer involved at all? And Darren replied. It was my understanding that Brian required Sarah to have her own counsel, but I never understood why she needed her own attorney. Like, of course we can get rid of him. And so then they didn't pay his fees and I couldn't afford to pay his fees. And then Darren arranged for me to have the same attorney as Jeffrey Timmons. I'm out of time, but I'm going to have some follow ups. Thank you, Ms. Brignac. Thank you, Ms. Killen. That will conclude the majority's first hour of questioning. We'll go off the record. Mr. Redacted. We are on the record. I understand that one or more members has joined us. If they could please identify themselves for the record. Boebert. Lauren Boebert. Question by. Mr. Good morning, Ms. Kellen. Kellen Good morning. Question. My name is redacted and I'm going to be doing most of the questions today for the minority as we Proceed. I'm going to cover some of the topics that the majority has covered with you in the previous round. I'm going to do that not to make you repeat yourself, but just to make sure that we have a clear record, as is possible. Before I proceed, I'll note that it's possible that some of my questions today may call for answers that identify actual or potential survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, or information from which those survivors might be identified. To the extent that my answers to any of those questions do contain such names or information, I'd ask on behalf of the minority that prior to any public release of the transcript of the proceeding, the majority ensure that the names of any such survivors, as well as information from which they could be identified, are fully redacted. And with that, Ms. Kellen, you spoke during the previous hour about certain tasks that Jeffrey asked you to perform. I think it would be helpful if you would just get a fuller sense of the scope of your job duties when you were working for him and Ghislaine Maxwell. Could you expound on those a bit? So it was a lot of sourcing things for all the houses I would have to go buy. He would say, I want new tea sets for Palm Beach. So then I would have to be like, as many examples as I could to show it to him and get his approval and then go buy it. I had to put music on his mp3 player. I would have. Even though he had a private chef, most of the time, he still had me make food for him. He liked the way I made his peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or his tomato mozzarella sandwiches. There were different projects that Galane would give me. They would have had binders full of the furniture in all of the houses that listed, like, where they were from, how much they cost, and where they were located. They were constantly moving things around, so I had to update those. A lot of interior design work because he was always changing houses. So I'd have to go look for fabric samples, source furniture, have things made. He liked to personalize all of his own, like sweatpants with embroidery, an American flag on it. So I had to source those and have them embroidered. It was always something different. Like, he always had different tasks, recovering his gym furniture in a special leather. Like, it was very. It wasn't normal. Normal things. It was very over the top and things that, like, you know, weren't normal things for people to ask for. It was just. And each day was different, depending on his whim and kind of what he required. It's my understanding that part of your responsibility included digitizing photographs. Is that right? Ms. Hamm? Can you speak up a tiny bit for those in the back? Redacted. Sorry. Go ahead, Ms. Kellen. Yes. Redacted. I have just been advised that another member has joined us, and if that member could identify themselves. He just stepped out. Redacted. Sorry. Returning to the subject of digitizing photographs. Kellan. Yeah. That was a project that Ghislaine took on the first few years of my employment. What did those photographs contain, Ms. Hamm? To the extent they're photographs of yourself, you can talk about it. To the extent they're photographs of objects in the house or the property, the designs, that's fine, Kellan. It was all of their old photographs that Galena took. Film. Jeffrey's baby photos. Basically, any photos that they had, they would scan in and burn them to a disc and digitize them. Were any of those photos sexually explicit? You can answer if that's true for you. Some of them contain nude photos of myself. In terms of the work that you did for Epstein and Maxwell, you spoke during the previous round about being based in New York for a period of time and in Palm beach for a period of time. Am I correct about that? Answer. When you say base there, she gets cut off. Question. You perform your work in those locations, Kellen? I have traveled with them everywhere, so I would have traveled to all the homes with them. Question Just so we have a complete list. Beyond New York and Palm beach, what other homes did you spend time at? Answer, New York, Palm beach, the island, the ranch, Paris and London. I think that was all of them. That's helpful. Thank you. Did your job duties vary from property to property, depending on where you were at any given time, or were they pretty much consistent regardless of the location? It depended on if he was working on projects at a particular property, the island. He was always renovating, building new things, meeting with landscapers or interior designers, architects. So that would have been very much geared toward design at that property. New York was more running errands, because that's almost. You could access most of the things, buying things for the houses, and we would collect everything in this house that would just sit and wait for the next trip to the next house, and then I'd have to organize it, like, load the plane up with everything to take care of. Question. I'd like to ask you some questions about conversations you had. Jeffrey Epstein. Did he ever tell you at any point about his relationship with other women? Not really. Did he ever talk to you about his sexual activity with other women? No. Did he ever tell you what kind of women were his type? I knew he was racist. Was that based on the comments you heard or conversations you had with him? Comments he would make? Question. Are you able to be specific about that? Answer. He would always belittle. I feel bad even saying it because it's demeaning. Question. It's his words. Answer he would use the word, I believe, shvatza, which means black people. That's like a Jewish slang word for black folk. Question. In terms of his type, during the period of time when you worked for him, did you have any understanding that he had a type? I mean, he had a bunch of models around him at all times. And were you the sort of characteristics you observed? I mean, physical appearance, age, beautiful, young. I mean, I was 22. Question were any of them, to your observation, minors under the age of 18? Ms. Hamm, she's not going to talk about, you know, getting into specific victims, and I think that would get into specific victims. So she's not going to talk about that today. I'm sorry. She's not going to speak about, you know, it's a transcribed interview. It's voluntary, and we'd like to limit her questions to her own victimization. She gets cut off by the person doing the questioning. Understood. And just to be clear, I phrased the question in general terms. I wasn't really addressing specific victims. Ham, I think it's easier for our purposes, we, when we're trying to make that distinction, to stop questioning on those types of topics. Question. Did Epstein ever tell you that he liked younger women? No, not specifically in those words. Question did he ever tell you that he liked teenage girls? No. Ham, we really have to be careful here in terms of. She can speak of her own experience with him, but she cannot speak to the victimization of other people. See, I don't like all of that, and I feel like she's hiding things. Question well, again, I understand the distinction you're drawing. I'm carefully addressing my questions to Epstein's words and actions rather than the experience of his victims. Question Again, this goes to the issue of type. In your observation, how many of the women that Epstein associated with were foreign? It was a mix. Yeah. There was foreign and American women around them. Question Were they eastern European, specifically? Answer. Sometimes. Question do you have an understanding as to why there was a presence of eastern European women in particular? Answer I didn't really think about it. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.