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The Sarah Kellen Congressional Transcript (Part 6) (6/13/26)
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Sarah Kellen told Congress that she was not a willing architect of Jeffrey Epstein’s operation but one of his victims, claiming Epstein groomed, abused, isolated, and controlled her for years. She described herself as trapped inside his world through...
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What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with Sarah Kellen and her chat with Congress. Question. Do you know the name Jean Luc Brunel? Yes. Question who is Mr. Brunel? Answer. He was the owner of a modeling agency and friends with Jeffrey and Ghislaine. Question Was that agency MC2? Answer. Yes. Question. Apologies. I believe another member has entered the room. If that member could please identify themselves for the record. Mr. Garcia. Representative Garcia. Mr. Burleson. Representative from Missouri 7th. Redacted. I'm sorry, Kellen. That's okay. Question. What was your understanding Mr. Brunel's connection to Jeffrey Epstein? They were friends. And I know that Jeffrey invested in his modeling agency. Question. Did Mr. Brunel, to your knowledge, recruit women or young girls to MC2? I believe he was a model scout for the agency. Did he then make those women available to Jeffrey Epstein? I know that he introduced some of the models to him. And did anyone, to your knowledge, ever pay Jeffrey Epstein for arranging sexual encounters or relationships with young women or girls? Did anyone pay Jeffrey? Yes. Not to my knowledge. You spoke in your opening statement about flying on Jeffrey Epstein's plane as part of your role. Do you recall how many times you did that? How many times I flew on the plane, or. Question. Yeah, it was constant, so I couldn't give a number. And those trips, they were part of your job duties, if I understand correctly, correct. During the period of time that you were working for Jeffrey Epstein, did he ever travel without you, or did you always accompany him? I'm sure there were times without that I wasn't with him. Would you say you were with him for the majority of the trips? Probably the majority. Question. In terms of flights the you were on, did you ever witness sexual activity take place on any of those flights? Answer. I was abused on his planes. Question. It's my understanding that there was a directory that contained the names of young women or girls who provided massages to Jeffrey Epstein. Am I correct about that? Answer. Ghis had a directory that she and the IT guy at the time, she had to make a directory that contained all their contact information. Was that directory a hard copy or was it stored electronically? It was stored on an internal server that you could access through Citrix, so all of the employees and assistants could access it. And then Ghislaine would have them printed in hard copy, I think once or twice a year. And she had a big printer and like a whole setup with a binding Machine and a guillotine to, like, print them all and make them and distribute them all around the houses. Question. Where was the server located? Answer. I'm not sure. I know the IT guy was based in Ohio. It was the same old IT guy that worked for Les Wexner. Question. What was his name? Answer. I don't remember right now, but it may come to me. Question. If it does, please let us know. Answer. I will. Question. You said gain had hard copies of the directory printed out or two times a year. I remember the name. Sorry. That's okay. Mark Lundberg. Lundberg. L U N D B E R G. Yes. Thank you. The hard copies of the directory that you mentioned, that Glenn Maxwell had them printed once or twice a year, do you know how many hard copies were generated altogether? I don't. Do you know where they were kept? She had them placed by all the phones in the houses. Question. In every house. Answer. Every house. Question. And did the directory only contain the names of people who gave massages, or did it also contain the names of other individuals? It was everybody that they knew. It was technically Glenn's directory. She had it categorized by locations and places. Basically everybody they knew was in that directory. Question. Okay, so it wasn't specifically a directory of massage providers. Answer. No. Question. And do I understand correctly that all of Jeffrey's staff had access to the directory? Answer. All of, like, New York assistants in the Madison Avenue office would have had access to it. I'm not sure about the house staff. They would have had access to at least parts. Because. Because I think there were other things stored on the Citrix server pertaining to the house. Question. And who added names to the directory over time. All the assistants. Ghislaine would usually give me, like, a stack of names and numbers and tell me, like, what category to enter them under. As part of my tasks. I have a few questions about the Palm beach house and specifically the room in which massages were performed. To the best of your recollection, it's my understanding that there was an image of a nude woman or a woman inside the massage room. Is that right? Ms. Ham, sorry to clarify. Is this an image of you? You can answer the question if it's an image of you. Kellen, There were drawings, like pencil drawings of, like, anatomy of people. Like, there were. Question. Women. Answer. Men and women. Were they sexually explicit? Not really. I remember it being like a torso, but there was, like, a pencil drawing. And I remember paintings of nude women in the bathroom. Question. Were there any other depictions of nude women anywhere in the house. Ham. If they are depictions of you, you can answer. There was a nude photo of me in the gym in Palm Beach. Question. And again, with respect to the massage room, did you ever see any sex toys or sexual paraphernalia inside the room? Ham. I don't think we can answer questions on that. Sorry, that's not addressed to victims. Ham. I understand the allegations have been made and she's not going to answer the questions that go down that path because it could incriminate her. That's why. That's the sole reason. Remember, she has it positioned here as she's a survivor. But there's a lot more to the story. Redacted. I think it would be helpful if we could define the path as we proceed. Ham. She's not going to answer questions about other victims and questions specific to massage in Palm beach that could implicate other victims. Okay, so the entire category of massages. Ham. Yes. Okay. I have a few questions about Zorro Ranch. When you were talking about your responsibilities, you said mostly it involved sourcing. That was predominantly in Palm Beach. That in New York it was a little more errands. Is that correct? Answer. New York was mostly running errands to buy things for all the houses, various houses that he wanted and working on projects and kind of collecting things for all the houses to. When we went to the house next. So that was mostly running errands in New York. Question. What about Zorra Ranch? What were your responsibilities related to the ranch? I remember him doing some various renovation projects as well. He wanted. One time he wanted, I believe, I don't know if he commissioned a painting or wanted, like, I don't know if he already had the painting, but I just remember there was like a big project to get like a custom made wooden frame for it, various things like that. I'm trying to think specifically. I mean, I was just kind of always around to do whatever you told me to do. Would he ever have you travel to Zorro Ranch to work on these projects on your own or without him? No. Okay. So you would only be there when you traveled with him? There were a couple of times that he let me go there. Unlike a vacation to use the ranch without him. Question. Got it. Did you ever book anyone else's travel to Zorro Ranch? Answer. It's possible. Question. Do you have any. Do you have any memory of what that might have been for? Answer. Not specifically. Question. Any memory of approximate time frame? Answer. I mean, he usually went to the ranch once a year in August. It was kind of his typical month that he would go Ms. Ham, can I just clarify on booking travel? DEMIAN on his airplane, we commercial flights QUESTION Either Ham or either redacted question did you do either? ANSWER I arranged travel on his private plane. I was responsible for kind of coordinating the pilots and whoever else might be traveling with him and the chef and the plane, snacks and loading the plane and all of that type of thing. And he also had me book commercial flights. QUESTION okay, and for both the private and commercial flights, you don't have a firm memory of who you may be booking the travel for? I know you said once a year in August, but you don't have a firm memory of what years. ANSWER for book and travel I don't have a specific recollection. QUESTION okay, I'm going to set those aside and the ranking member is going to ask some questions. Mr. Garcia, thank you. First thanks for being here. I I appreciate it. I know that you're going to be you've had a series of questions that you've been answering all day, so I appreciate that. Just a couple of questions that I just want to make sure get asked in this hour. I know it's been publicly reported by the media that Jeffrey Epstein was a visitor, in some media reports, a frequent visitor to Mar A Lago. Was this the case when you were working for Jeffrey Epstein? Ms. Kellen in the beginning? Mr. Garcia it was okay. He would use the gym a lot there. GARCIA okay, you said the gym. KELLAN yeah. GARCIA okay, what was your overall understanding of Jeffrey Epstein's relationship to Mar A Lago? I knew that he had been friends with President Trump. I went with Jeffrey to the gym there a few times. I remember one of The Times meeting Mr. Trump for like five minutes at Mar A Lago. That was my only encounter with him during my employment. I'd seen photos of them, them together around the houses, so I knew that they were friendly in that regard. GARCIA and would you consider, I mean, it's been reported that Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein were friends. You would consider that to be an accurate reporting? KELLEN I would assume so from the photographs that I saw, but I only met him the one time in my employment at Mar A Lago for like five minutes. GARCIA and the photographs you saw of the two, you saw those photographs in the various locations? KELLEN huh? GARCIA in what locations? KELLEN Palm beach, the ranch, New York. He kind of like had the same photos, a lot of the important prominent people. He would display them in all the houses. GARCIA so Zorro Ranch, Palm beach and New York. KELLEN huh? GARCIA do you recall about when Jeffrey Epstein sort of stopped going to Mar A Lago? KELLEN Yes. GARCIA can you give me more, a little more information on that? KELLAN it was pretty early on in my employment. I remember. I don't know if I ever heard him, like him and Ghislaine talking about or how I knew, but Trump banned him from going back because he had like hit on a member's daughter or something along those lines. GARCIA uh huh. And there was, I know there's been public reporting they had some type of falling out. There was also a falling out with a house that they were both bidding on in Palm beach. And I believe Trump well, I know that Trump won the bid and there was a bit of contention around that. GARCIA so involving some kind of real estate transaction. KELLAN uh huh. GARCIA okay, I know that there's been reporting on that as well. Now, it's been reported that Mar A Lago was sending spa employees, usually young women, to the Palm beach house to provide massages, manicures, other services. We know Ghislaine Maxwell is accused of recruiting and trafficking survivors there. This has been public reporting. Are you, do you recall this? KELLAN I don't recall that during my time. GARCIA but you have since then heard about the public reporting? KELLAN I have. GARCIA okay. Did you ever schedule appointments for any Mar A Lago employees to come to Epstein's home? No. GARCIA so you yourself never scheduled any employee, any appointments from Mar A Lago to Jeffrey Epstein's home, is that correct? KELLEN not that I remember. GARCIA but you have read the public record. Are you aware of anyone else that scheduled any appointments for anybody from Mar A Lago to Jeffrey Epstein? I've read the accounts of Ghislaine meeting Virginia at Mar A Lago. GARCIA Were you aware at the time that Ghislaine had met Virginia? I wasn't aware of that story until I read it or heard about it in the press. But I'm assuming that you have met, you've met Virginia at some point? KELLEN I don't remember meeting her. I'm aware of there being two flight logs with us on it together, but other than that, I don't remember. GARCIA I'm going to thank you. We'll have additional questions on this topic a little bit later, but thank you. Alright, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.