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The Sarah Kellen Congressional Transcript (Part 8) (6/14/26)
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Sarah Kellen told Congress that she was not a willing architect of Jeffrey Epstein’s operation but one of his victims, claiming Epstein groomed, abused, isolated, and controlled her for years. She described herself as trapped inside his world through...
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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to the Sarah Kellen interview with Congress. Question by misredacted. If we could turn back to New Mexico for just a few minutes, just to confirm, you believe that you did book some travel via both private plane and commercial plane to Zorro Ranch, but you don't have a firm recollection for who or for what years? Ham, can I ask you, do you have the flight logs that might help her jog her memory, at least for the Epstein flights? Just trying to get a general sense. Yeah, I wouldn't have. It's so long ago. I wouldn't have specific like dates or people questioned by Ms. Redacted. Did you ever overhear Epstein or Maxwell talk about New Mexico officials in the context of Zorro Ranch and their operations at Zorro Ranch? I knew they were friends with Governor Richardson of New Mexico. Question do you remember how you learned that? Answer it's possible that he came to the ranch to visit. I feel like there were some like he. I'm trying to think if there were any connection to him, like owning some of the ranch or property. I might just be getting confused or that was there was another governor, I believe, that owned the ranch, but it might not have been the Richardsons. I know that they were friendly. Question do you have any memory of them talking about law enforcement specifically in the context of the ranch and their operations at the ranch? Answer not really. But in what capacity? Question. Generally or potentially, you know, providing protection for them or others? Kellen? No question. No. Okay. Are you aware of any efforts to suppress or delay state level investigations into their operation at Zorro Ranch? No. Okay. And then finally, are you aware of any disappearances or deaths related to Zorro Ranch? No question. Okay, bye. Mr. I just had a few follow up questions for you regarding your discussion with the ranking member about your interaction with Donald Trump at Mar a Lago. When did the encounter take place? It was probably 2002 or 2003. And what was the reason for your being at Mar a Lago? Jeffrey would go and use the gym there. I went with him one time and Donald was there. I don't think he was in the gym, but he was like, you know, in another room at Mar A Lago and we just went and said hello. Question. And then the five minute interaction that you mentioned, what did you talk about with Donald Trump? I don't remember. It was just kind of more of like, nice to meet you, I think, type of Thing. It wasn't a specific topic. Was anyone else part of the interaction or was it just the two of you? Just the two of us or Jeffrey, me and Mr. Trump? Question my understanding. And it's been publicly reported that Jeffrey was ultimately barred from Mar A Lago. Is that your understanding as well? Yes. Do you have any knowledge of the circumstances surrounding the decision? I believe it was because Jeffrey had hit on another member's daughter and Trump banned them from going back. Okay. Do you know if that member's daughter was under the age of 18? I don't know. You also mentioned during the course of your conversation with a ranking member that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump had a falling out involving a real estate transaction. Was Mr. Epstein's expulsion from Mar A Lago also a factor in their falling out, to your understanding? I think it was probably both, yeah. Twofold? Kind of, yeah. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever talk with you about that? Which part is falling out? No, I just knew he was annoyed and that he lost the bid on the house in Palm beach that Trump won. Question by Ms. Redacted. Just really quick on that. Do you recall the name of the member whose daughter he. Kellan. No question. Okay. I'm just going to ask a few more questions on Ghislaine Maxwell. I know you covered some of this earlier, so I'll try to skip those parts. When you began working for Epstein and Maxwell, what was your understanding of their relationship to each other? That they were dating and that she ran all of the houses and stuff. So when you started working there, they were romantically involved? Yes. And when did that romantic relationship end? Probably around 2004 is my guess. And Maxwell continued working for Epstein after they ended their relationship? Yes. What, to your understanding, were Maxwell's duties for Epstein? I know that you said earlier that she sort of, like, ran his life. What did that entail? Answer. She hired all the staff. She oversaw all the houses, the running of the houses. She made a manual that would be distributed to all the staff members. And so she made the manual of all the duties to perform. She approved all the billing of all the houses. She would have to go and, like, sign off on all the checks in the office and all the payments and things like that. Question. Did her role change after the romantic relationship ended? Not really. Not until she kind of started. She mostly started distancing herself. She was around basically until 2010, I want to say during the time he was in jail, she wasn't around so much. Like, she came once to visit him on work release at the office, but she was still involved in like, you know, still kind of reported to her. Answer yeah. Question at the office. Was at the Florida Science foundation office. Answer yes. Question and did you find out at all that she continued working for him after their relationship had ended? Answer no, because they were, I mean they were like the closest to each other and everything. Like she knew everything about him and he had access to everything and she ran everything. Question uh huh. And you said earlier that you took over for Redacted, which was her assistant. So when you first started working for them, were you reporting directly to Ghislaine Maxwell? Yes. And then after she separated a bit, you started reporting more directly to Epstein. Correct. How did your role differ when you reported directly to Maxwell? Answer it didn't differ a lot. She would have me doing a lot of personal things for her in addition to all the things that Jeffrey at the time, like picking up her dry cleaning, running errands for her, helping her unpack, things like that. And then with Jeffrey, it was more about him. Question and you said that when you were working for in New York, you were working out of her townhouse. Is that correct? Answer yeah, she had an office in the ground floor of her house. Question okay, an. And could you describe your routine when you were working out of that office in a little bit more detail? Answer so I would typically get there at nine in the morning and go up to her office. She had an office on her third or fourth floor. And she would give me a list of things to work on or things to go source or buy different projects and things. And I would go and try and get them done. Question when you were at her apartment, did you see anyone coming in or out of the building or in and out of her apartment? Answer There were two doors. There was the main door and then a side door. It was like the staff entrance and the entrance to the office. So it was kind of like separate from her main personal part of the house. Question so you don't recall seeing anyone from her personal life coming and going? Answer not really. Question did you ever see other young women coming and going? Answer There were other, other assistants that worked out of the house as well. Question who are those assistants? Answer it will have their names redacted because they're not public. Question and they were, they were assistants or were they victims? Ham, can we go off the record for a second? They come back on Kellen and their names will be redacted. I'm sorry, I'm just protective. Oh, please save it. All of a sudden you're Protective, huh? Redacted. That's at the discretion of the majority. But. But that is our request, as I noted at the outset of the hour. And how old were they at the time? In the twenties. Around the same age. And did they do similar work for Ms. Maxwell as you? Yeah. Thank you. Just a few more questions. Are you aware of whether Epstein and Maxwell remained in contact after she stopped working for him? I'm sorry? Question. Did Epstein and Maxwell remain in contact after she stopped working for him? I'm not sure how much contact they had. The last time I remember seeing her was in 2010. Jeffrey had a big dinner at his house in New York after he got out of jail for, like, Yom Kippur. And she was present for that. Ok, so it doesn't seem like they spent much time together from your understanding. Not a lot. After jail. Did you remain in contact with Ms. Maxwell after she stopped working for Epstein? No. And you never spoke to her again? You never saw her again? I don't remember any specific time that I did. I mean, potentially an email here or there, but I don't have any, like, specific recollection. And this would have been, like, after 2010, you said. Answer. Right. That's the last time I remember seeing her was in 2010 at the dinner. Question. Okay. And when did you find out that Maxwell was arrested on charges of enticement of minors and sex trafficking of children in 2020? It was either on the news or my attorneys at the time told me. Question. Right after it happened. Huh? Question. And what was your reaction to that? Not surprised. Question. Why were you not surprised based on your experience? Answer. Because I knew that she would introduce people to Jeffrey, and I knew that she abused me. I always felt that she was instrumental in Jeffrey becoming who he became. I always felt like she kind of turned him into the monster that he became, that she just fed him and catered to every whim that he wanted. Question. When you say introduce people to Jeffrey, could you describe that in more detail? Ms. Hamm, you can speak about your own experiences with her and things that she asked you to do for Epstein, but we're not going to talk about other victims. Okay. You don't want to talk about it might be helpful to explain. And I know you've talked about it. I know it's not my time to ask questions, but it might be helpful for you to explain in how she interacted with you when you first met her and why that colored your perception of her actions. Kellan. I mean, she would, you know, always reiterate how powerful Jeffrey was and that I should listen to him and do what he says because he clearly, he knows best and he can help me. She was part, you know, present and participated in my abuse. At least on one occasion I can remember on the island. She would show me how to please Jeffrey, how to massage his feet. That was one one of my major tasks. I had to have a bottle of lotion in my bag so I could massage his feet at any given moment. From what I had read about other reports online of accusations against her, I was not surprised. Question. Okay, thank you. And last question. Did Ms. Maxwell ever reach out to you after she was arrested? Ms. Kellen? No. Ms. Ham, can we get a time check if you don't mind redacted? Five minutes, Ms. Ham. Five minutes. Thank you. I think this would be a good time for us to end our hour, Ms. Ham. Okay, so we'll go off the record. All right. We're gonna wrap up right here as well. And in the next episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.