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Tova Noel And The Transcript From Her Congressional Testimony (Part 7) (6/21/26)
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Tova Noel, one of the two correctional officers assigned to the Metropolitan Correctional Center’s Special Housing Unit on the night Jeffrey Epstein died, told the House Oversight Committee that she failed to conduct the required inmate checks and...
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Interviewer
what's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we left off with the Tova Noel interview with Congress. Question okay, thank you. And on July 30, a staff psychologist from the psychological department sent an email to over 70 staff BOP staff stating that Epstein, quote, needs to be housed with an appropriate cellmate. Did you receive that email? Answer I never saw that email. Question okay. Were you aware of it existing? Answer after the fact. Question okay, and how did you find out about the email? Answer when I was questioned. Question okay, so no one mentioned it to you before? Answer no. Question okay. Do you recall ever being aware of the fact that Epstein needed to have a cellmate? Answer no. Question okay, an email says, and an appropriate cellmate. Do you have any understanding of what an appropriate cellmate would have been in this instance? Answer no, because the warden has to make that call. Question okay, and so it's our understanding that on July 30, when he came back to the SHU, Epstein was assigned an inmate named Efren Reyes as a cellmate and that Reyes remained a cellmate until August 9th. Is that your understanding? Answer Correct. Question okay. And on August 8, Epstein met with his attorneys and changed his last will and testament. Did you have any knowledge that he had done that at the time, after the fact? At the time? No. You learned after he died, Correct? Okay. You didn't hear anyone else mention it? Or anything, days leading up to it, no question. Okay. And then the OIG also reported that Epstein's daily routine was to meet with his attorneys. And in the conference room, you mentioned that as well. Are you aware that. Was that happening on August 8th? Was that his schedule? Yeah. Okay. Mr. Foy, you said August 8th? Yes. When he signed out his last will and testament? Noel yes. And you were working that day, August 8th? Yes. Okay, that's all from me. We're going to go if we can. I I think one of the members present has a few questions he'd like to ask. So we're going to go down there. Mr. Submaranium. Thank you. I apologize I have to leave a little early, but thank you for being here. I appreciate you coming voluntarily and answering these questions. You said something earlier about you'd not received any sort of compensation for anything related to Jeffrey Epstein. And no one. Noel Correct question. Does that apply to anyone that you know? Any friends, relatives? Noel Anything in regards to Mr. Epstein? I've never received any money. Mr. Submaranian. And what were those bank account payments for, for instance? The $5,000 one? Noel. My savings. My personal savings. So do you. You were shifting money from one account to another? Noel no, I do savings challenges for myself. Oh, I see. You were going. You were sending money to a savings account? Noel no, not sending. Like I save. I do savings challenge books. Submarine okay. Noel and when I get to my goal, I deposit my money. SUBMARINE oh, so you were saving it personally and then you deposited the money all at once. Was it a cash deposit? Noel yes. SUBMARINE okay, thank you. And, and then do you have any reason to believe that Jeffrey Epstein did not commit suicide? Noelle no. Submaranium or died in any other way? Noel no question. Because you had mentioned that you didn't actually see him hanging. Noel Correct. In a previous interview. But you strongly believe that there is no other. You've ruled out any other sort of death? Noel Right. Because there was no one else in there. SUBMARANIUM Great. And then you did an interview with the DOJ in 2021. You said that a lieutenant placed Jeffrey Epstein in the shower to make a 20 minute personal unmonitored phone call to his girlfriend in Belarus. Is that correct? Noel I don't know who he made the phone call to, but I know he was placed in there to make a phone call. Not by a lieutenant, By Bullock. A counselor. Unit Counselor. Question. Unit COUNSELOR yeah, you mentioned that earlier. You also told investigators that Epstein was the only person to be allowed to have a long cord for his sleep apnea machine? Noel Correct. Question could you tell me more about that? Why was he able to get a sleep apnea machine? Answer so that would have had to been authorized by like psychologists or the warden. But he was the only one in the shoe that has a CPAP machine. And the way how the tears are like they're up and down so he was on the upper. So the CPAP is in the cell and there's a long cord that has to extend out of the cell to reach down because he's up to meet an outlet submarine and okay. Would he have been able to yank that cord out? Noel Absolutely. Question this would have been the warden that would have cleared this? Noel or the psychologist. I don't know who makes the decision to allow him to have a CPAP machine or who gave it to him. Question and then this is a long time ago, so it may be hard to remember, but when you were walking through and when you saw his cell, did you notice any extra bed linens that may have been in the cell? Noel no. After submaranean afterwards you noticed that. Do you know why he was given extra bed linens? Noel so I'm not aware of him having extra bed linen. He had linen on his bed and Reyes had linen on his bed. Okay. Yeah, there was some reporting that he had extra bed linen. Noel I'm not aware of that. Question Is it common for someone in the shoe to have extra bed linens? Noel no question. Was there anything else as far as Jeffrey Epstein's treatment that you would consider, like special treatment that was unique from other people who were there? Noel I don't know who allowed him to have his medication. That's not supposed to be submaranium by medication. Which medication are you talking about? I don't know which. But he had a bunch of medication in his cell in the shoe. A nurse comes and administers medication to other inmates. I don't know who allowed him to have his own personal medication. Question and then one of the files in the FBI's Library of Epstein files includes an account that alleges Epstein met with a guard with the first name James only days before Epstein was found dead. Do you know who James is? Noel James Question yeah, There was a file that said that someone named James met with Epstein a few days before. Are you aware of this meeting at all? Noel no Question. Okay. Is there anyone named James that you work with? Noel not that I know of. Question okay. And then there was also a report that detailed an interview between the FBI and an Unnamed inmate at the jail. In the report, the inmate shares that he overheard you and after Epstein was found dead, saying that, I quote, if Epstein's dead, we're going to cover it up and he's going to have an alibi. My officers, do you know anything about this? And what was the officer? You? Noel? No question. And did you say that at any point? Okay, thank you. And then. So inmates at the Metropolitan Correctional center, evidence found to have reportedly said, quote, Ms. Noel killed Jeffrey Epstein, unquote, after they found out about Epstein died. Do you know of any inmates saying that? Noelle? No question. And do you know why they would say that? Noelle? No question. And then I guess I would just also ask generally, if in hindsight, looking back at everything that happened, do you have any regrets about anything that happened as far as not checking on him, knowing who he was now and the damage he caused and the damage his death caused. Hold on one second. They go off the record, then they come back on Submaranium. Would you like me to repeat the question? Noelle? No question. Yeah. Looking back at everything that's happened, do you have any regrets or maybe even remorse about what transpired as far as your actions or the actions of the mcc? So I would have liked to have conducted the counts and rounds, understanding that if they were done, that suicide could still have taken place. My only regret is that I worked for mcc, a poorly ran institution. Question, Follow up. One thing here. You said that even if you had done the counts and rounds, the suicide could have still occurred. Noel? Correct question. Okay, that's all my questions.
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Interviewer
Redacted. All right, I have a few more questions. We're going to try to walk through the timeline of August 9th and 10th and just kind of one step at a time. Okay, question. One thing I think we wanted to try to clarify before we even kick that off is inmate movements in and out of the shoe. I think that's caused some confusion in terms of what exact numbers on which exact count slip and what was the right Number. So I'm going to introduce an exhibit which I'll mark as Minority Exhibit A. Redacted. I'll give you a moment to look it over. I know I gave you the longest one page document in the history of documents. I appreciate you looking it over. I know there's a lot there. The document's called count discrepancies on August 9, 2019. It was part of the DOJ release. We don't know exactly what it is. We think probably it's written by the OIG when they were first trying to figure things out, but we don't know that for a fact. But it does say at the top that it's based on the daily activity report and Lieutenant Log from August 9th and 10th. First, do you have any understanding of what a daily activity report is? No question. Okay, how about a Lieutenant's log? No question. Okay. This document has inmate movements for the shu on the 9th and 10th and it's got specific times on it. We think that those times are probably linked to the Sentry system. Are you familiar with that? Sentry system? Yes. What is that? The Sentry system is a system that has the accurate number of inmates in the institution. That's all I know. Did you ever know or do you remember whether the Sentry system would be used to log inmate movements? I don't know what they used to log it. Would you have had any knowledge of whether inmate movements are logged and at the exact time a movement happens or maybe a few moments after something happens? Yeah. I don't know when they log it. Okay, so I'm going to walk through a few of these individual inmates. I know it was a long time ago. I'll just ask the best of your recollection. It looks as if the day started with 77 inmates in the shoe. I guess it's also called ZA. Are you familiar with that answer? Yeah. Question. Okay. So za also means the shoe. Is that correct? Correct question. Great. And at 8:38 in the morning, inmate Reyes was pre removed out of the shoe and did not come back. And our understanding is that Mr. Epstein's cellmate. Is that also your understanding? Answer. Correct question. Okay. And that would take the shoe number down to 76. This happened at 8:30 in the morning or 8:38. You did not start work until 4:00pm I know that, but do you recall whether anybody mentioned to you that Reyes had been removed from the shoe? No. No one. No one mentioned it to you? No. And so did that leave you with the impression that Mr. Epstein still had a Cellmate when you arrived? When I first got there, yeah. Was there at some point in the day when you noticed that it did not look like he actually had a cellmate after lock in. Got it. And do you recall specifically when or how you would have noticed that even if an inmate is moved to somewhere, usually everybody will be back by the time of lock in. And at the time of lock in, there was not an inmate back other than Epstein. What time is lock in? I don't remember the exact time, to be honest. Ballpark. I won't hold you to it. It doesn't have to be exact. Well, in the shoe, they're always locked in. In the shoe, it's different, but I think in a regular general population, 9pm maybe. But remember, in the SHU, they're not out unless your order lease. But by the time the count time, if you're somewhere, you would be back. So that's why Epstein has to come up before 9. Because it's an institutional count, if that makes sense. It does. Would that be the 10:00pm count? Correct question. Okay, so sometime around 10:00pm marker, you recall noticing, hey, everybody is locked in at this point, but there is nobody actually in Mr. Epstein's cell other than Epstein? Correct. Okay. Do you recall whether you discussed the fact any other guards at the time? No, I didn't. Did you have any understanding at the time of whether Mr. Epstein was supposed to have a cell? I understand you knew that Reyes was assigned to the cell, but whether there was some kind of policy that Mr. Epstein needed to always have a cellmate? Answer. I was not aware. Question. Anybody ever mentioned that that you can recall? Answer. No. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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