Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing Transcripts (Day 1-Part 2) (8/8/26)

Summary

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The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing Transcripts (Day 1-Part 2)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: August 8, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Bobby Capucci continues the detailed breakdown of Day 1 of the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing. The focus is on courtroom procedure, introduction of key law enforcement witnesses, and testimony from Officer Chris Bagley regarding his credentials and familiarity with Utah Valley University (UVU) — a site of significance in the case. The episode provides an unfiltered look into the workings and structure of a criminal preliminary hearing related to Jeffrey Epstein’s broader criminal enterprise, keeping with the podcast’s mission of transparency and in-depth coverage.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Courtroom Setup and Procedures

• Judge Tony Graff addresses logistics for evidence presentation, ensuring transparency and smooth proceedings.

  • Discusses use and placement of monitors for exhibit display ([01:30–03:30]).
  • Emphasizes the preliminary hearing’s probable cause standard, setting expectations for evidence ([04:25]):
    • “Before we break, I do wish to remind the parties that this is a prelim hearing. It's a probable cause standard... keep in mind that the standard is probable cause, and that is what the court as a magistrate will be looking at.” — Judge Graff (04:38)

• State’s Exhibit Plans:

  • 4 law enforcement witnesses: Officer Chris Bagley, Agent David Hull, Agent Brian Davis, Sgt. Jennifer Fomena.
  • Plan to enter 40–50 exhibits, most digital, one in physical form ([02:10–03:25]).
  • Defense receives all exhibits in advance, with new items from SBI to be forwarded post-hearing ([06:00–06:55]).

2. Introduction and Swearing-in of Officer Chris Bagley

• Officer Chris Bagley testifies to his law enforcement background:

  • Current: Spanish Fork Police Department, Senior Officer (5 months).
  • Previous: Utah Valley University Police (5 years), Utah County Sheriff (13 years), Springville City PD (6 years), Salt Lake County Sheriff (1 year) ([07:40–10:10]).
  • Diverse experience: K9, SWAT, motors, detective, FTO.

• Law Enforcement Training:

  • POST (Peace Officer Standards & Training) certified after 600 hours of basic training, physical fitness, and written exams ([08:45–09:38]).

3. Officer Bagley’s Familiarity with Utah Valley University

• Detailed testimony on UVU:

  • Bagley explains his daily routines, patrols, and responsibilities at UVU, highlighting his intimate knowledge of campus buildings, entrances, exits, and surrounding neighborhoods ([09:40–12:45]).
    • “We’d make sure that we knew all the ins and outs, the back doors. We’d make sure we knew where every classroom was, every entrance and exit...” — Officer Bagley (11:10)

• Campus Security and Surveillance:

  • Extensive use of campus surveillance — system available at officer desks and in dispatch.
  • Created maps to improve camera response times; routinely tracked individuals and incidents using footage ([10:20–11:20]).
    • “If we were looking for somebody or tracking something back, we'd go in, we go back to that time frame. We could trace somebody, track somebody through campus… I made some maps and stuff like that.” — Officer Bagley (10:52)

• Description of Key Campus Features:

  • Officer Bagley describes the central amphitheater/courtyard area — grass, steps, seating areas, waterfall feature — and its typically heavy student use ([12:35–13:15]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On probable cause:
  “Before we break, I do wish to remind the parties that this is a prelim hearing. It's a probable cause standard... and that is what the court as a magistrate will be looking at.” — Judge Graff (04:38)

• On open evidence handling:
  “I just want to make sure that there is no misunderstanding of what's being presented, to allow all parties the benefit of the record.” — Judge Graff (03:55)

• On familiarity with campus operations:
  “We’d make sure that we knew all the ins and outs, the back doors. We’d make sure we knew where every classroom was, every entrance and exit...” — Officer Chris Bagley (11:10)

• On surveillance system:
  “It was one of our daily routines... We could trace somebody, track somebody through campus.” — Officer Bagley (10:52)

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Key Timestamps

• [00:45]: Episode introduction and hearing overview
• [01:30–03:25]: Exhibit and monitor logistics, judge’s decorum instructions
• [04:25–04:50]: Explanation of the 'probable cause' standard
• [06:00–07:00]: Discovery status update
• [07:40–10:10]: Officer Bagley’s background, law enforcement career and certification
• [10:20–11:20]: Bagley details daily use of campus surveillance
• [11:10–12:45]: Bagley outlines UVU campus operations, patrols, and security
• [12:35–13:15]: Description of central campus amphitheater
• [13:15]: Host indicates pause; episode to continue in next segment

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Tone & Style

The tone is factual, methodical, and procedural — fitting both Capucci’s direct reporting style and the legal context. Testimonies are straightforward, focused on clarity and transparency, reflecting the seriousness of ongoing Epstein-related criminal investigations.

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For Next Episode

The next installment will pick up with further testimony and additional law enforcement witnesses as the preliminary hearing for Tyler Robinson continues.

All referenced materials and transcripts are available in the episode’s description box.

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Transcript

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What's up everyone? And welcome back to the program. In this episode we're going to pick up where we left off with day number one of the Tyler Robinson prelim hearing transcripts. Judge Tony Graff. All right, thank you. And Mr. Gurnander, as it relates to that, are we anticipating the possibility of that coming up very soon in regards to publishing potentially exhibits? Groenender? Not real soon, but today certainly. I would anticipate. Judge, for the course information, we anticipate presenting four witnesses. They're all law enforcement witnesses. Officer Chris Bagley, he is now with Spanish Fork Police Department. He was with Utah Valley University Police Department. He'll be the first witness. The second witness will be Agent David Hull. And those exhibits 7, 8, 9, we anticipate coming in through him. The third witness will be Agent Brian Davis, again with the State of Utah, a case agent who is here presently. And lastly, Sergeant Jennifer Fomena, also the Utah Department of Public Safety. And we do anticipate admitting between 40 and 50 exhibits. Judge Graff. Thank you. Alright, Mr. Gruenider, I apologize. You walked away before I got my questions out. If we anticipate taking a break around 10:30, do you anticipate any potential exhibits for publication being requested prior to 10:30? Gr. I do, Judge. The judge. Okay. Gr I do. I think the first several exhibits would be published. Judge Graff. Alright, well, let's do it. I want our preliminary hearing to move smoothly and with the least amount of delays as possible. So let's take a brief break to allow the placement of that monitor, a brief test to make sure it's working and then we can be seamless moving forward. Grnader, One quick question, Judge. For your counsel's benefit, are the monitors at the tables going to be turned on? Judge Graff. The monitors Are. And that's why I wanted to give that instruction early on. But for each party to monitor the monitor. Because if the camera is doing a wide sweep picture of the courtroom, I can't prevent an accidental capture. Obviously, the decorum order anticipates not focusing in to the point that it's focused on your monitors. But I have to ask all parties to be mindful, especially as it relates to the sensitive material that may be published or may not. But please take a look at that and be mindful of that. But I'll leave it to you. So I believe it's important that all parties see what it is before the court. So if you have objections, it's right there, you can say, okay, I see what the court's seeing. I have an objection. Or not. Or just to confer with your client. I just want to make sure that there is no misunderstanding of what's being presented to allow all parties the benefit of the record. And it's clear what's being presented to the court for consideration as evidence. Thank you, Chad Gruenider. And we do have one exhibit that will be in physical form, so we will be using the easel. I think it's just over by the jury box. Judge Graff. Alright, thank you, Mr. Gruenider. Before we break, I do wish to remind the parties that this is a prelim hearing. It's a probable cause standard. And if you could keep that in mind as you're presenting your evidence. This is not intended to chill what you present, but keep in mind that the standard is probable cause, and that is what the court as a magistrate will be looking at. All right. With that, how much time do we need for the placement of the monitor? Bailiff? Inaudible Judge Graff. All right, well, let's break for six minutes. Well, let's actually. Let's make it easy on ourselves. Let's come back at 9:35 and we'll resume court at that time. So they leave. And now they're back. Judge Graff, Please be seated. Court is back in session. Noting the presence of counsel in the parties to the state. Are you ready to proceed, Groenender? Yes, we are, judge. But prior to calling our first witness, I would like Mr. McBride to make a brief report on discovery updates. And then just inform the court that the state has provided copies of all exhibits for today's proceedings to the defense in advance of this hearing. Judge graff. All right. Mr. Mcbride. Mr. Mcbride. Yes, your honor. My report at the last hearing is the latest report as of June 18th we had provided approximately 100% of material in our possession over the last week. We've received additional material from SBI due to preparation for the hearing. Those materials have not yet been provided, but they will be as soon as this hearing is complete. Judge Graff, thank you. Defense require the benefit of the record. Kathy Nestor. No, your honor. Judge Graff. Thank you, Ms. Nestor. In case the mic didn't pick it up, she declined. Alright, turning to the state, you can call your first witness, Chad Gruenider. Your honor, the state calls officer Chris Bagley. Judge Graff. Officer Bagley, if you'd like to come forward. Looks like he's being brought into the courtroom. All right, Officer Bagley, if you wouldn't mind coming forward past the lectern and being sworn in. He gets sworn in. All right, Officer Bagley, if you wouldn't mind having a seat at the witness table. And after you're situated, to your left is a bottle of water. And if you wouldn't mind bringing that microphone toward you to ensure that it picks up your voice. Richard Novak. Yeah. Can you hear that, Judge Graff? I can. Thank you, Mr. Grunender. Your witness, Chad Groenender. Thank you, your honor. Good morning, sir. Richard Novak. Good morning. Chad Gruenador. Will you please state your name for the record and spell your last name. Bagley spells it. And how are you employed? I'm employed with Spanish Fork police department as a police officer. Question what's your position and your rank? Answer Just a senior officer. Question. Senior officer. Okay. How long have you been with the Spanish Fork police department? About five months. Five months. How long have you been a police officer? 26 years. Okay. Will you briefly describe for the court's benefit you're training what you did to become a police officer? I did the Utah Post Academy, which is about 600 hours of training for basic things to become a police officer. Report writing, arrest control stuff to that effect. When you say Post academy is. Is post an acronym? Answer. It is. Question. What does it stand for? Answer Peace officer standard training. Question. Okay. Were you certified through post? Answer. I was. Question. Okay. And what did the certification require? Answer. Going through the post and graduating all the academy, all the credits that you could get up with the hours, and then physical fitness stuff to that effect and then graduating from that to earn the certificate. Was there also testing involved? There was. At the academy? Answer yes. Question. Okay, were you employed in September of 2025? Answer. I was. Question. And where were you employed then? Utah Valley Police department. And how long did you work for the Utah Valley University Police Department. Five years. Five years. Okay. And do you recall what your position or your rank was there? Answer a senior officer there. Question. Senior officer. Okay. Describe it if you would, just your general duties as a police officer at Utah Valley University. Answer there. At Utah Valley University, we patrol the campus. We'd walk around, we'd patrol, we would do investigations if there was a crime to that effect.

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we'd make sure that students or staff, if they needed something, we'd be there for them. So basic police, kind of like school resource officer, you know, community based policing. Question okay, this was a full time position. Answer it was. Question okay, did you work in law enforcement prior to uvu? Answer I did. Question and where was that work? Answer I worked at Utah Valley or. Sorry, sorry. Utah County Sheriff's office for 13 years. Before that I worked with Springville City Police Department for six years and also with the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office for a year. Question what were your positions with those departments? Answer varies. I did K9, I did SWAT, I did motors. Senior officer, FTO officer, detectives. Question okay, while you were at Utah Valley University, did you have access to the video surveillance system on campus? Answer I did. Question and how so? Answer it was at our desktop, where our police station is. We have desks and on our desktop we have access to it there. Or we'd go into dispatch and they'd have a wall full of camera systems that we could look at. Question how familiar did you become with that system? Answer A very familiar. Question can you describe how you became very familiar. Answer Like I said, it was one of Our daily routines that would go in there. If we were looking for somebody or tracking something back, we'd go in, we go back to that time frame. We could trace somebody, track somebody through campus. I'd also turn around, make sure maps so it was easier for dispatch or somebody to click on an area in this campus where the buildings were and be able to click a little bit easier and get a faster response. So I made some maps and stuff like that. And how often did you use the system? Every day. Question okay, did you become familiar with the campus and at Utah Valley University? Answer yes, sir. Question when you were working there? Answer yes. Question and explain how you became familiar with it. Like I said, we'd walk around, I would train other officers. We'd make sure that we knew all the ins and outs, the back doors. We'd make sure we knew where every classroom was, where every entrance and exit was. We'd secure the building, we'd patrol the neighborhoods, we'd patrol around campus. And then we also have off site campuses that we drive to and make sure that they're secure also. Question okay, you mentioned that you patrol the neighborhood. Answer yes. Question. Surrounding campus? Answer yes. What about the neighborhood to the north of the east Campus? Yes. Okay, what was your purpose for patrolling those neighborhoods as an officer of UVU? Answer 1. It was right next to UVU, so we patrolled it. Sometimes people would run up in that area or be walking up that way. We'd have stolen bikes, stuff like that. So we'd go into the area, look for stuff. Also with Orem Police Department, we'd back them up quite a bit for other calls, and a lot of it would be in that area. Question okay, so back up just a little bit. So Utah Valley University is located in what city? Answer Orem, Utah. Question. Orem, Utah. Okay. How familiar did you become with buildings on your campus? Very familiar. Question and the walkaways? Very familiar. You mentioned the entrances and exits to the buildings? Yes. What about parking structures? Yes. Sam? Answer for that. Yes. Okay. Are you familiar with the courtyard or the outdoor amphitheater on campus? Answer I am. Question and generally speaking, where is that located on campus? It's more of the central. It's an outdoor area centered by a bunch of buildings around it. So it's in the center of campus? Pretty much. Question okay, can you describe what it looks like, this courtyard, this amphitheater? It's kind of like an amphitheater, look. So you got some grass, couple of steps that go up. You got some cement on top with some bushes and flowers. You've got places where people can sit and eat. They can come out and study and relax on the grass. And there's a waterfall with a little pond that comes down into a stream. Okay, you're familiar with the surroundings, the buildings around the amphitheater? Yes, I am. Alright folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

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