Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing Transcripts (Day 1-Part 3) (8/9/26)

Summary

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The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing Transcripts (Day 1 - Part 3)
Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: August 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, host Bobby Capucci continues dissecting the transcript from the first day of Tyler Robinson’s preliminary hearing, focusing on the introduction and authentication of photographic evidence related to events on the campus of Utah Valley University (UVU). The key segment centers on a law enforcement officer’s detailed testimony about campus layout, the location of buildings pertinent to the case, and a legal challenge to admitting photographic evidence. The episode offers listeners an in-depth look at procedural courtroom testimony and the intricacies of laying legal foundation for evidence in Epstein-related proceedings.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Campus Layout and Building Locations

(03:00 - 09:00)

• The testimony revolves around establishing the spatial relationships and descriptions of several UVU campus buildings near the amphitheater and courtyard—key locations linked to the hearing.
• The officer is asked a series of rapid-fire geographical questions to orient the court and clarify the proximity of different buildings, laying groundwork for later evidence.

Notable Exchanges:

• Hall of Flags:
  • "The hall of Flags is kind of like a bridge between two buildings and all the flags throughout the world are represented in there...you can see through all the way to the Utah Lake." (03:12-03:40)
• Building Directions:
  • Fugal Building: To the south of the courtyard.
  • Woodbury Business Building: Southeast, up against the courtyard.
  • Sorensen Center: Northeast, up against the courtyard.
  • Losee Center: Directly east, but doesn’t run up against the courtyard.
  • LDS Institute Building: North of the Losee Center, northeast of the courtyard.

Quote (Officer/Witness):

• “Because when you go that far southeast exit, you can walk directly almost to the courtyard.” (07:57)

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2. Parking Structures and Campus Access

(07:00 - 08:30)

• The officer provides clarity on the parking structure's layout, various entry and exit points, and walking routes to the key campus area.
• These insights are critical for understanding traffic and participant movements on the day in question.

Quote:

• “On the north end of the parking structure is Campus Drive. You can drive in and exit onto level one…” (07:24)

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3. Photograph Authentication and Legal Argument

(08:30 - 13:00)

• Introduction of State's Exhibit 1:
  The prosecution moves to admit a photograph depicting the UVU campus layout. The officer identifies the image and describes its accuracy and relevance to the events.
• Defense Objection:
  • Defense attorney Kathy Nester objects, questioning foundation—arguing the officer didn’t take the photograph and cannot authenticate its origin.
  • Judge Graff hears arguments from both sides and ultimately overrules the objection, citing established law about witness knowledge sufficing for foundation.

Quote (Defense):

• “There’s not been a foundation laid that this officer took this photo, can verify when it was taken or by whom it was taken. So we would object.” – Kathy Nester (11:03)

Quote (Judge Graff):

• “This witness has firsthand knowledge of the location as well as the building locations. The foundation has been laid... States Exhibit 1 is admitted into evidence and may be published to the courtroom.” (12:13)

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4. Description of the Admitted Photograph

(13:00 - 15:00)

• The officer, now examining the published photograph, walks through visually spotting and referencing each building for the record.
• He locates the courtyard, Hall of Flags, Fugal Building, Woodbury Business Building, Sorensen Center, Losee Center, and LDS Institute Building within the image, at the prosecution’s prompting.

Memorable Moment:

• The officer guides the courtroom through the photograph, providing real-time orientation:
  • "So all the grass, it looks like a triangle. The amphitheater. Look. That's going to be the courtyard amphitheater area. It's got the tent in it." (13:53)

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5. Transition to Next Episode

(15:00 - 15:08)

• Host Bobby Capucci signals the wrap-up of this session.
• Listeners are told the next segment will pick up as the testimony continues regarding the events of September 10, 2025.

Host Sign-Off:

• “Alright, folks, we’re going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode... we’re going to pick up where we left off.” (15:01)

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Notable Quotes & Speaker Attribution

• “The hall of Flags is kind of like a bridge between two buildings and all the flags throughout the world are represented in there with some chairs where people sit down and relax, with windows.” (Officer, 03:27)
• “There’s not been a foundation laid that this officer took this photo, can verify when it was taken or by whom it was taken. So we would object.” (Kathy Nester, 11:03)
• “It’s very clear, well established law that the person who took the photograph is not required to be present to lay foundation for it. What’s required for foundation is that the witness has knowledge of what’s depicted in the photograph and can testify to its accuracy.” (Prosecution, 10:45)
• “The foundation has been laid… States Exhibit 1 is admitted into evidence and may be published to the courtroom.” (Judge Graff, 12:15)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:00 – Officer details campus building locations
• 07:00 – Parking structure description and campus walkways
• 08:30 – State attempts to admit photographic evidence
• 11:00 – Defense lodges objection
• 12:10 – Judge rules in favor of admission
• 13:00 – Officer describes buildings in the photograph
• 15:01 – Capucci closes the segment

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Summary Takeaways

• The episode offers a meticulous look at how foundational testimony is used to introduce evidence in court, with expectations for precision and verification.
• It highlights the defense’s vigilance in procedural objections and the prosecution’s strategy for linking physical evidence to the witness’s direct knowledge.
• The episode captures, in the natural language and exchanges of a preliminary hearing, the granular process of courthouse evidence work—laying the foundation (literally and legally) for the fact-finding to come in this ongoing investigation associated with the Epstein network.

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Transcript

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What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program in this episode, we're picking up where we left off with Day one. Transcript from the Tyler Robinson Prelim Hearing Question okay, are you familiar with the surroundings, the buildings around the amphitheater? Yes, I am. Question okay, in relationship to this amphitheater, this courtyard, where's the hall of Flags located? It would be directly west of the courtyard. Question okay, is it part of the courtyard or is it just off the courtyard? Answer I think it's kind of the courtyard. It butts up right against the courtyard, so it be the west side of the courtyard. Question okay, so the west of the courtyard, is there a walkway across the hall of Flags? Answer There is Question okay, and what? No, he gets cut off by the officer. An inside one and an outside one. Question okay, so what is the hall of Flags then? The hall of Flags is kind of like a bridge between two buildings and all the flags throughout the world are represented in there with some chairs where people sit down and relax, with windows. So you can see through all the way to the Utah Lake. Okay, what are those two buildings that are connected by this hall of flags? Answer the Fugal Building over to the science building area. Okay, so you mentioned the Fugal Building. Yes. Where's the Fugal Building located in relationship to the courtyard? It's to the south of the courtyard. Question okay, does it run up against the courtyard? Answer it does. The building okay, what about the Woodbury business building? Where's that in relationship to the courtyard? Answer it's kind of southeast and it runs up right against the courtyard. Also. Question okay, and in relationship to the Fugal Building, where is that Sorensen or excuse me, that business building. The Woodbury business building. Answer Woodbury Business is right directly east of the fugle. Question okay, and what about Sorensen Center? Where is that located with respect to this courtyard? Answer the Sorensen center is going to be kind of like northeast of the courtyard. Question okay, does it run again up against the courtyard? Answer yes, it does. Question okay, and where is it in relationship to the business building? Answer Woodbury Business Building is just directly south of Sorenson. Question Directly south. Okay, the Losee Center. Are you familiar with that building? Answer I am. Question and where is it located on campus? Directly east of the courtyard, amphitheater area? Question okay, does it run up to the courtyard, the LOSI Center? No, not really. It doesn't run up against it. So the Sorensen Building is kind of like right between those two. Question okay, in relationship to the Sorensen Building, what direction is the Losee Building? Answer East. Question east. Okay, are you familiar with the LDS Institute building on campus? Answer Yes, I am. Where is that located? That's going to be located north of the Loci Building and just kind of like northeast of the courtyard. Okay, and there's a parking structure next to this institute building. Answer There is. Question and where is that? Answer that's going to be. So you mentioned the Institute building. It's going to be north of the Losee Center. There's a parking structure that has several levels of parking. It's going to be directly west of the Institute building. And then they also have a parking structure. Not parking structure, parking lot to the north across that, across the road. Okay. With respect to the parking structure, can you describe for the court how one would enter this parking structure driving and even walking? How do you enter and exit the structure? So on the north end of the parking structure is Campus Drive. You can drive in and exit onto level one. So that's the ground level. And then you'd Enter, if you were driving in or exiting back out of the campus, then goes up to level two and on level two, exit. It's what's called the heat plant road. In between the institute building and the garage is a little road, and there's an exit right there that you can drive out. You can also, if you were to park there, you could walk out right there and exit only where I was talking about. On the southeast side, you can walk out there. Or on the north end of the garage, there are some stairs that go up all the levels, and it goes down to the bottom level and across the street through a tunnel to the LDS Institute building. And then when you pop up on level two, you can walk over to the institute building. Question okay, can you describe how long of a walk it would have been from that parking structure to get to the courtyard on campus approximately? Answer A couple of minutes. Because when you go that far southeast exit, you can walk directly almost to the courtyard. You can also walk along the south end of the LDS Institute building up towards LOSI Building. Question okay, Officer, I'm going to turn your attention to state exhibit number one. It should come up on your monitor there. Let me know when you can see it. Answer I can see it. Question and just for staff, let's go ahead and not publish it until it's admitted into evidence. So we're going to take it off the monitor, but for the witness, he should be able to see the exhibit. Judge Graff, that's fine. So cable monitors witness, but not the main monitor. Thank you. All right, Mr. Gruender, thank you. Thank you, Judge. Did you see plaintiff's exhibit number one? Officer I do. Question and do you recognize that exhibit? Yes, I do. What is that? This is an area of the building plus the courtyard in the middle of all the grassy area. So this is an area of the campus at Utah Valley University. Question Is it a photograph? And yes, sir. Okay. Are you familiar then with what's depicted in this photograph? Yes, I am. Question does it fairly and accurately portray this area of campus? Answer yes, it does. Question okay, can you tell the court what direction the camera is facing when this photograph was taken? It's kind of facing north and a little to the east. Okay. Does it depict a number of the buildings that we've talked about today? Answer yes, it does. Question for example, the hall of Flags, does it show the hall of Flags? Answer yes, it does. Question the walkway of it. The hall of Flags. What about the Sorensen Center? Does it show that? Answer yes, it does. The Woodbury Business Building. Answer. Yes, it does. Question. The Fugal Building. Yes. What about the Losee Center? Can you see that from this photograph? Yes. Is this photograph a fair and accurate depiction of this area of the UVU campus on September 10, 2025? Yes. Question. Your Honor, the state offers state exhibit number one. Kathy Nester jumps in, who is a lawyer or one of the lawyers for Tyler Robinson. Your Honor, we would object to failure to lay a foundation for. Oh, I'm sorry. Judge Graff jumps in. It's a little bit tricky because that microphone. So she gets back to it. Your Honor, we would object to the inability to authenticate. There's not been a foundation laid that this officer took this photo, can verify when it was taken or by whom it was taken. So we would Object. Judge Graff. Mr. Gruenider. Gruniter. Would you like us to argue now or approach the bench? Judge Graff? Well, as it relates to this, I'll hear argument. Okay, Judge. First of all, it's very clear, well established law that the person who took the photograph is not required to be present to lay foundation for it. What's required for foundation is that the witness has knowledge of what's depicted in the photograph and can testify to its accuracy. 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Kathy Nester. We did file a standing objection at the beginning of the hearing. I would just refer to our standing objection as. Well, I know that this is not. There is no written testimony in this, but just out of an abundance of caution, I would also refer to our standing objection. Judge Graff. Thank you, Ms. Nestor. All right, having considered the arguments, I find I'm going to overrule the objection and admit exhibit one. This witness has firsthand knowledge of the location as well as the building locations. The foundation has been laid. He also stated it was a fair and accurate representation of what's being depicted here. And for those reasons, the defense objection is overruled. States Exhibit 1 is admitted into evidence and may be published to the courtroom. Grunider. Okay, so the state would move to publish that to the courtroom. Judge Graff. So granted. Gruegar. Grueniger. Officer Bagley, are you able to see the monitor that's here in the court that's pointed towards the gallery? Yeah. From where you're seated, are you comfortable in describing where the courtyard is on that photograph on that exhibit? Yes. And for the record, where's it located? So all the grass, it looks like a triangle. The amphitheater. Look. That's going to be the courtyard amphitheater area. It's got the tent in it. The white tent that's at the bottom on the far left of the picture. That would be the courtyard area that's surrounded by buildings. More of the grass area. Question. I'm going to approach. Well, I'm just going to. When you look at the exhibit to the left of the photograph, there's a walkway there. What's that? Walkway? So the red brick walkway that's going north to the top of the picture on the far left is going to be the hall of Flags, the outside of it. Okay. And on the bottom of this photograph, there's a white roof building. It's the largest building, at least as far as what's depicted in this exhibit. Yeah. What building is that? That would be the Fugal building. Okay. And just to the right of that. So that would be the east of the Fugal Building.

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What building is that? Answer the other red brick pathway area, that's the Woodbury business building. Answer. Okay, and if I were to walk north, so left on this photograph with respect to that red brick walkway area, there's another building, sort of a triangular in shape, the rooftop. What building is that? Answer with the white rooftop. That would be the Sorenson building. Question. The Sorenson building. And what about the Losee building? You've described that. Where's that located in this photograph? Question if you go to the triangle white roof. If you go directly to the right. So the right side of the picture, that is going to be the LOSI building. It's got several levels. Question Is it to the right and up a little bit as well? Answer yes. Question okay, and that would be east on this photograph, Is that correct? Answer it's not the gravel rooftop. Question. Gravel rooftop. Okay, I referred you to the LDS Institute building. Are you able to see that in the photograph? Yes, you are. And where is that located? That's just going to be directly north of the LOSI building. It's going to be that other white roof building on the far top of the picture. Okay, thank you, officer. We can take that down. Your honor, as far as the publication, Officer Bagley, I'm going to take you back to the date of September 10, 2025. Do you recall that day generally? Answer I do. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode, dealing with a topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

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