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Mindset Matters - Episode #162 - Real Talk About Gender, Labels, and Finding Common Ground
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Patrick O.
Hi there, and welcome to this episode of the Everyday Millionaire Mindset Matters podcast, where I'm joined by my wife, Olympic mental performance coach Stephanie Hanlon. Franci. In these episodes, Stephanie and I have a conversation about the different aspects of what we refer to as Mindset Matters because we believe that for those who are awake, we are living in and through the most impactful time in history. Your view of the world is the filter for how you will experience the evolution and changing dynamics of it. Our intention is to provide you with ideas, nutritious food for thought, and some tools that you can use to help you in being your greatest self and living your best life. Listen in. Enjoy. Hey, folks. Welcome to the Everyday Millionaire Mindset Matters podcast. Stephanie, hang on. So I have to say that first off, right out of the gate, there is an ad or there are ads that are showing up on the podcast. We don't have control. We're trying to figure out how to control where the ad gets placed. It's. It's out of our control. So I just wanted to say that out loud. And that's just part of the program. So we're figuring it out. We're on a particular platform that that's how it gets done, and we're trying to manage that. So I wanted to kind of preface this with sorry for the interruption in advance.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, exactly. And, you know, it's usually right when I'm saying something. Brilliant.
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Patrick O.
Yes. Brilliant as you are. Well, that's kind of a nice segue into the topic today that I wanted to touch on, which was around equality. Now, this showed up for me that I had seen a rant by a particular woman who was really kind of, why do women insist on this whole equality thing? You know? And then she got onto the rant of, real men do this and real men do that, and real men treat women a certain way, and real men treat their daughters a certain way, and real men. Real men. Real men. And it was really this whole concept in her world, the rant was, I'm tired of women saying that we need to be treated equal. And so then it took me down this path of giving that some thought, and the realization is that I don't treat you equal. Yet there is some argument and seems like a lot of arguments sometimes of how women aren't being treated equal. I've seen Jordan Peterson take on that topic on any number of occasions about women who says, well, no, I want to be treated equal. And he says, well, that's great, but did you happen to know that 98% of bricklayers are men. 99% of the men who work on rigs are. 99% of the rig workers are men. There's just certain aspects and certain jobs that the physicality of it doesn't really create the space for women to show up just because that isn't the case for all women. But the far greater majority of women just physically aren't there to do that job. So when we get into this conversation about equality, it gets a little mucky and a little bit messy. And for me, it was just a conversation going, okay. You know, fundamentally, I don't look as women as not equal, but I look at them and the physical aspect of it and say, you know, most women are not equal. That's just the way it is. And I can't help that. It's not my fault. I didn't design, you know, our genetic predisposition. So that was really what, you know, the conversation was. I don't know where we want to go with it other than to say that, you know, certainly intellectually there's a.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Lot of equality or I'm just smarter than you.
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Patrick O.
Well, I see, that's the thing. It's one of the reasons I married you is because you're smarter than me. And I need that and I need.
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Stephanie Hanlon
You to be able to lift things up and Molan and fix stuff. I mean, I chose you for very specific reasons. So, you know, I. You have the things that I'm very much not interested in or I don't have the capacity. So I hear, I hear what you're saying, and I do have a similar feeling. And I think people will find it surprising, especially because I spent so much time in the men's world in ice hockey and, and in sport and, you know, business, real estate, which is technically a male dominated world. But I've never had that need to be anyone's equal. My goal was to always just be my best self. I have a lot of masculine qualities. You know, I'm quite assertive. I'm athletic, I'm. I can be strong physically. Um, there's things that I would, I think people would consider masculine qualities. And then of course, the other side of it is that what's interesting is that you have a lot of feminine qualities. So I think what happens, which means are you're loving and you're nurturing and you, and you're kind and, you know, I think what happens is that we're so stuck in these labels as a. To what is a man and what is a woman and Then, of course, what we saw, what happened over the last four years, is that we lost track about even what is a woman, you know, and as you move into these gender equality and inequality conversations, I think it's just another plan for whomever is out there to create more divide. And I think the first divide will always be the most disruptive, and that one is between men and women. And I think that basis of division is about trying to force this equality conversation. You know, I see the point of, you know, equal pay for equal work. I don't have an issue with that. But my mom always said, you know, I don't ever want to be one of the boys. I love being a woman. I love hanging out and nurturing myself and chilling with the girls. I've created a network of women that, you know, we have very strong values and we don't gossip, and, you know, we have very, you know, things that. That a lot of women kind of push back against. And then they'll say, well, I'm, you know, I have way more male friends than I have female friends. And I said, you know, good for you, but I don't find that as powerful. I would rather have you as my best friend and my one and only strong men. Best man. Best friend slash husband, then have a whole bunch of people who don't really understand me.
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Patrick O.
Mm. Well, I think it's. It is an interesting perspective that we have, or I'm, you know, observing all of the changes that are going on around the conversation about what is a man, what is a woman, mostly what is a woman, and all of the. Again, the polarity and divisiveness that gets created. And I'm pretty clear, you know, I believe 100% that there's 7 billion people on this earth, or whatever that number is, and that all of them came from the womb of a woman and not a womb of a man. Like, because men don't have wombs. Like, it's so nonsensical to me. That's the stand that I take. I'm really clear on that. There are men and there are women. There are two genders. And you can profess to be, you know, whatever you want to profess to be, but I don't have to believe that. That's your belief. And so I don't have to believe that.
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Stephanie Hanlon
And we don't have to argue it either. I mean, if that's truly somebody's creating that, whatever identity that is, I respect that. I think what we're talking about today is the demand or this you know, my mom was not a. She was a powerful woman, and she was a very successful businesswoman in a man's world, but she was not a feminist. And I found that so fascinating because, you know, she was raised in the time of Gloria Steinem, burn your bra. You know, be this, be that. And I just found that so unattractive and so disrespectful to the women and to the men. It's like, I don't know if I wanted to be around a bunch of guys that were going to include me, especially in the ice hockey dressing room. I didn't want to go into a room full of naked, smelly men. I just didn't. You know, when I had to, I would announce myself respectfully, go, girl. You know, and walk in with my thighs covered and, you know, to be respectful of the space. That's their space, you know, And I learned a lot growing up about how important it is for men to have men that they can be themselves with and for women to have women. You know, what happened to quilting bees? You know, what happened to women getting together and cooking and nurturing and then, you know, and then. And then still going out to work and bringing over paycheck. But why can't we have that, both sides, that paradoxical sacred masculine and sacred feminine within one being? But why fight to be this and demand that, that and compel speech? And, you know, to me, I think honoring the sacred masculine in you allows me to discover my feminine qualities. And I'm not saying male and female, man and woman. I'm saying that there are qualities that I love about you that are masculine, and some of them are feminine, and we get to decide who that is and who we get to become. And, you know, I don't want to be put in a box. I don't want to be labeled, you know, as anything. You know, I think the human kind of, you know, I don't want to. Want to go into the whole Justin Trudeau bullshit. Well, I don't say mankind. I say people kind. I mean, you just know the virtue signaling of all of that, right? But I think it's giving people a platform or a voice maybe, that haven't had a voice in the past. And I'm really grateful that, you know, I grew up with a strong family, you grew up with a strong family, and we, you know, are very, very fortunate to be able to bring our opinions forward. And I don't come across, I think, as a, you know, a crazy woman or, you know, I mean, maybe when I was going through, you know, pre menopause or whatever, but ultimately, you know, I found a naturopath for that. But ultimately, if we can't just be ourselves and discover who we are, what if life is a lifelong discovery about who we are, Whether it's our sexuality, our opinions, our political beliefs. We're so locked into one thing. I had a great conversation with Char this morning about what if we could just have a conversation about where we're different. What if our political beliefs and somebody else's political beliefs could just be put on the table and we could discuss them. Why does it have to shut people down?
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Patrick O.
Well, it's certainly, you know, when you get talking about politics, it gets pretty charged, especially if it's a debate. I mean, you know, when you consider what's happened again, it's like this evolution of where we are societal. You know, it is the divisiveness and the polarity. It just always comes back. The great divide that seems to be occurring and on a global scale. It isn't just like, this is a Canadian thing or a Canada thing versus the U.S. i mean, it is a global. It seems to be a real global issue. And those religion and politics and culture and race, it is divided more than ever. And I'm observing a lot of it, you know, and so when we talk about equality with men and women, that's one side of it. But look at the religious inequality or the imbalance or whatever that might be. It's. And it's hard not to get caught and get charged about it. You know, we talk about equality. I agree. I think the only equality, and I shouldn't maybe be. I have to give it some more thought. But my point is that, you know, you said earlier on, I think equal pay for equal work is certainly a reasonable thought process around the thought of equality. But when it comes to jobs, when it comes to roles, I. I don't see it as equal. I. I can't wrap my mind around it. And there's always the extremes on one side or the other. You know, it's like somebody might say, you know, Patrick's a man's man. And I would say, well, not really the way I, you know, look, you know, like I'm. I'm not the man's man in, you know, the really kind of aggressive go, you know, murder animals or whatever, you don't kill and bring home. I don't know what I'm trying to say there.
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Stephanie Hanlon
It's just that there's peeler bars.
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Patrick O.
No, but it's like, there is. My point is. I don't know what my point is, to be honest with you. I don't know what this conversation really is about in terms of the inequality of things in general. And when it comes to male, female, I don't make any apologies for the fact that I don't see women as equal in terms of the physicality of how we are wired. And so, for me, that's kind of a. I can't even try and debate it. We're not talking about pay versus, you know, you're a woman, so you make less. You know, there's. There's. And I'm. And I'm sure there's lots of issues that can be discussed. I know. You know, there was a time where women would go, well, why am I paying $200 for a hairstylist to do my hair? And, you know, men are paying 10 bucks or 20 bucks.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Well, you had less hair. Usually.
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Patrick O.
Well, usually it's less hair. But, I mean, there's all these things that, you know, that we're trying to bring things into equilibrium, and there's just a part of it where it's gone too far. The pendulum has swung too far one direction or the other to, I think, to the detriment of, certainly of our children. And that scares the crap out of me. And, you know, it is. I just don't agree with it. And so when it comes to the conversation of equality, when we look at all of the issues that the word equality brings up and how somebody should be treated, and again, we look at culture and religion, we look at politics, and it seems more and more we're getting divided, and the divide is getting far greater than it's ever been. It's not even coming back to some kind of center. So we have to. The pendulum seems to be swinging even further out, which I think is the other side of that, is that how do we deal with this? This is the podcast Mindset Matters. How do we deal with this? It isn't to debate whether that's right or wrong. It's to look and say, this is what we are dealing with. And for me, you know, we recently went and saw Ryan Holiday, and, you know, he did his whole thing around stoicism, and he is, of course, studying stoics. And if anything, you and I live in a world where stoicism is a thing. It's like everybody knows about stoicism. And interestingly enough, I had a conversation with somebody this morning, and I said, hey, we went and saw Ryan Holiday, and he Goes, oh, who's Ryan Holiday? The obstacle is the way Ryan Holiday, the whole thing about stoicism. What's stoicism?
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, exactly.
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Patrick O.
Marcus Aurelius. Yeah, that's vague. Yeah, I kind of heard of him before. And so it's interesting that if nothing else within this podcast is how do we deal with this? And that really is about being able to manage our emotions around it, to be able to step back from it, not be drawn into it. Anybody who knows me knows I can get fired up about politics, but I can just as easily step back from it and not get hooked and not be triggered by it. I can have an opinion of it, but if I'm not going to start throwing punches over it like it's not that way, I'm not going to unfriend you because we don't agree politically. How do we deal with what is happening in the world today? And I mean, we know people that are at the effect of this whole conversation, whether it be cultural, religion, gender. I mean, we certainly know people that are in the throes of it and are at the effect of it and dealing with it and having to deal with it and aren't happy about it, and it's a weight that they're carrying around. So how do we do it? And, you know, the study of stoicism is a way to start to break it down and understand what do we control and what don't we control and what do we have to look at the world and goes on. I can't do anything about that. There is nothing I can do about that. All I can do is control my reaction to it, my. Manage my emotions around it. What would you add to that?
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Stephanie Hanlon
Well, the biggest one is Socrates. You know, is it Socrates that said, know thyself? And I think we're coming back always to the values conversation, as I discover. And you and I kind of. We battle it out sometimes, but it's always a values conversation coming back to values. You know, if we're going to be talking about equality, what are we talking about? Is it equality of outcome? Is it equality? You know, it's true. You know, there are people starting out in different places of the world. There's. There's the. The Africas of the world. There's the East Hastings. There's people that end up somewhere for no fault of their own. And then at the same time, there's people that arise to the greatest financial outcomes that you can't even imagine. So I think a lot of it is not only values. There's some luck. There's. I'm not saying that, you know, you're not lucky if you end up on these tastings or I don't know the journey, but it's not for me to say. What it is for me to say is I know my values and I know where I set where I stand when it turn, when it comes to how I treat people. And the equality is something that is never really. I mean we had the conversation before about I know I'm not a nice person because I don't suck up to people and kiss ass, but I'm a kind person and I would rather be known as kind than nice. And I think even something like that can cause division. The thing that kind of brought up for me, hun, when you were talking is that this word equity right now is being thrown around like this DEI stuff. Diversity, equity and inclusion. I was horrified. I went to a figure skating conference and they have an entire DEI department and a person that was leading it. And it was, I found it and everybody's nodding their head like they were agreeing with it. And I thought, how is that when you think about equity? I think about equity in terms of investment. I building equity in my house, I've got relational equity that I'm building with people and commitments that I make when it turns, you know, in terms of following up, being who I say I am, honoring my word, to me that's equity. But what I'm hearing is that they're interchanging the word equity and equality and it's not the same. It's not the same. Equity and equality are not the same thing. And I think that's where people get confused.
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Patrick O.
Well, it's not only confusing, but we start to see. I know myself, it triggers me and I've certainly looked at and said why am I so angry about this? And so when I consider how angry I get about it, I realize it's because. And we, and I have had this thought process is that I think most anger is driven by fear. And what I realize is I'm angry because I am fearful of where this is going. It's the proverbial this train seems to be coming off the tracks and back. When we look at the DEI conversation, the diversity, inclusion, equity inclusion, we had the experience where somebody we know had a job over the summer in a public sector role, was a summer job then wanted to apply for a full time job, but she had to reapply. So she had spent months working within this sector and had to reapply because it made and had to literally reapply re interview as if they've never met her before. And it was like so inefficient, so ridiculous. It pisses me off. It angers me to see that public spending of my tax dollars. But when I really unpack it, yes, that pisses me off. The inefficiency, the bureaucracy drives me crazy. Even the word bureaucracy angers me. But it's because number one of the efficiency, number two is the out of controlness of it. And it just makes me fearful because of the costs associated with it, how that is going to impact our daughter. Our grandchildren like it. Just when I look into the future, I'm fearful and that pisses me off. And so can I control? And what can't I control? I have to be able to say, okay, I'm seeing where I think this whole train is going, where I think it's going to come off the rails if corrections don't get put in. So then we put a plan in place and say, okay, how are we going to look after the family? How are we going to look after ourselves? From a business perspective and part of even from a business perspective, I mean think about it. We employ people, people with jobs and people with families and we hold that as a responsibility. And so these are this, you know, just where that is at. You start to, I've looked at it and said, okay, I have to put a plan together, create the thesis and then start making decisions based. But that's what I can control. What pisses me off is that it's so off the rails. And I'm going, why do I have to put all this additional effort cost risk, mitigation into place? It's because there's this new world called DEI or equality or gender non gender or identifying as I think this whole thing and politics and climate change and environmental blah, blah, blah. And I'm like going, this is like out of control. And so people are at the effect of it and it pisses me off. But underlying all that is there is a fear around it that where is this all going? And that's where I think it stems from. So I don't know where I'm going with that rant, but that's where I'm at.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Well, you said you're pissed off like 19 times I counted. So I really.
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Patrick O.
You actually count how many times I said I'm pissed off?
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Stephanie Hanlon
Okay, you know, it's pretty good. But the truth is when you think of the word equality or equity and now talking to our about Our friend that ended up not getting the fall job in that exact same institution because they gave it to somebody of a minority, and that person was, you know, much younger. Maybe she ticked all the boxes, I don't know. But where that takes me is, what about meritocracy? What about being chosen or being. And working really, really hard to gain the education, gain the systems g. The credibility and the reputation, and then be hired and not. Or not be hired because you're the wrong gender or you're the wrong political, or you're the wrong color. And I just think, to me, that's where the division is. If I was hired with the Oilers in 1991 because I was a woman, I would have quit the next day. They didn't give a shit that I was a woman. I could have been, you know, I don't know. I just did a really great job, and I earned my way to stay there for nine years. And if I was hired to be because of the woman I was, a woman I like, I say I would acquit. And I think my mom would have forced me to quit as well, because to me, that's a label that I just find way too, too hard to handle. And I think, you know. Yes. Did I blaze some trails? Yes. Have I been given a couple of awards? Because in, you know, in the world of women in business, I've done some cool stuff, but that doesn't make me any better or worse. And I think where we get off the rails is when we then are being told that we can't hire someone or someone has to be in this role because of, you know, I. My brother has a friend who sent out a hundred resumes not long ago, at least 100 or more. Very educated, very experienced. He worked for us for a little while, so I know I would write him a, you know, a reference letter in a second. He got one call out of a hundred and some resumes. And this company actually respectfully said, I have to tell you, I can't hire you because you're a white, straight male.
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Patrick O.
Wow.
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Stephanie Hanlon
And he. He lost it. I remember just the. The, like, the effect of that on his self confidence, self esteem, and self worth was, okay, so now get it. I'm the minority. And maybe, you know, all this stuff around racism, maybe I am a racist. Maybe I'm a misogynist and a Nazi. I have no idea. It's up to me to figure that out. But if I'm coming from love, if I'm leading with love, and that's all I Know, and my truth and my, my commitment is to be kind and I'm living from first principles. Then judge me, you know, shut me down and, but judge me for the merit that I bring, not because I'm a woman. And that to me, we've gone right back to the dark ages with that. We've gone way back before the 70s, way back before Gloria Steinem. And I think we're just, we're in trouble.
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Patrick O.
Yeah, well, I agree that definitely there's a lot of headwinds that we're about to face over the next few years as this comes to whatever fruition or it starts to unfold or kind of collapse whatever might be happening. We don't know. I think there's a fundamental here that when you consider how do we deal with these things, wherever you're at in your thought process around it, is that putting yourself amongst other like minded people is really important and surrounding yourself with individuals who are thinking along those lines so that you are supported. I mean, I think that's a big part of how we deal with this mentally, emotionally, spiritually, or it will shut us down. You know, we're blessed in our relationship, you and I as a couple, but also in the friends that we have that it's not like we spend hours debating or having these discussions. But at least we know that we can have a conversation. We can have a view or be thoughtful or ask a question or consider something without it offending or going off the rails. In terms of the conversation, I think that's an important aspect of, you know, what do you deal with? And of course, because we are in the space we're at in terms of owning businesses, you know, many people who have jobs don't have that luxury. They're, you know, at the, at the Ryan Holiday event, you know, one of the audiences, one of the audience, individuals, one of the people in the audience asked the question, you know, how do I deal with this, how do I deal with certain things in this office environment? How do I remain stoic at a time when somebody saying something that is just I don't agree with. And you know, there, there was like, people are in that environment. What do you do? I mean, you're in that environment. You've got your job, you may love your career, but you're now in a environment that you don't necessarily align with in terms of all of the things, you know, especially in a public service sector in a, where, you know, DEI is top of, top of mind, top of conversation.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Well, if it is, and that's the case in those industries, that is where we get to align with our values. And maybe that's where we can introduce the conversations about stoicism and what we can control and what we can control. But the truth of the matter for me is I want to have conversations with people that think differently. I don't just want to be around all the time. People would like mine. I like it. But I think I will learn more if I can hear and understand or understand how somebody comes to the conclusion that is completely opposite to my experience, because they have their own experience, they have their own values and their own history. I'm not saying how I think is right or how they think is wrong or vice versa. But I think what would be really cool as we navigate this gray divide is how do we invite conversations with people from the other side or the opposite side of the aisle or, you know, because it's not just red and blue. You know, that whole thing is just. They're just two wings of the same bird, right? It's all one. If we come back to first principles and determine if we make our decisions based on merit and we live and we come and lead with love, then those decisions can come back. And then you say to somebody that maybe has the opposite opinion of you in that regard, and if they're coming with love or if they're coming with aggression and anger and trying to beat you down, then. Then we're. Then we're not in the same conversation. But if I say, okay, here's my thoughts, and you know what? I really hear what you're saying, and I see from your experience why you would feel that way. I totally. I may not fully get it, and. And, like, you know, I'll never know what it's like to be like, you know, a black man from America. But I'm also not going to put that label on somebody that I'm speaking to as somebody that may have an opposite experience. I want to honor people's experiences. I want to hear about it. I want to go back to the days where we could sit around and have conversations. Remember back in the days, in the olden days, like the olden days, 2019, where we could actually have conversations and people ultimately knew there's just some lines you don't cross. Maybe just don't bring up religion at dinner. Don't bring up politics. Don't bring up certain thing. And if it did, it was like, okay, well, that we. We think differently. And that's cool. Let's move on. You can't do that anymore.
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Patrick O.
Doesn't seem to be that way, does it? Yeah, and I think there's a couple things. You know, even the term. Think about the term confirmation bias. That term didn't really come up prior to 2020. You know, you didn't really hear about it. And then now it's. Confirmation bias is a thing. And I don't know if that's because of just how much impact social media has. I'm not sure what it is.
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Stephanie Hanlon
And AI for sure.
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Patrick O.
And AI, algorithms.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Oh, yeah.
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Patrick O.
But there is, you know. But there's also the term. You know, we used to use the term all the time. What are you pretending not to know? Or said another way because of what has been discovered. Sam Cooper, who wrote the book Willful blindness is now a term. It is willful blindness, you know, what are you pretending not to know? And confirmation bias, I prefer to go back to and try and stay grounded in. Seek first to understand than to be understood. That's a Stephen Covey quote. You know, Seven Habits, I think, is what that one comes from, which is seek first to understand and then to be understood. And it's a very powerful way of showing up and listening. And sometimes at that point, you don't need to be understood because you're going, there's no chance that I'll be understood because the other person is not seeking to understand. So that shuts down the whole conversation that goes back to, you know, the confirmation bias. I want to stay in it. And also algorithms and AI drive all of that anyway. So it's. Even if you want to get outside your own bias, you can't, because the algorithms are driving it there anyways. So it is a messy world. Is it? Maybe we should just all curl up in the fetal position and hang out in the basement. I don't know.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Or maybe watch some comedy and some laughing movies and maybe some crying movies every once in a while and keep our hearts open. Because, honestly, what I miss the most is really fun, heated conversations about having difference of opinions. There's people that we used to go for dinner with that we didn't always agree with and align on before 2020, and now we haven't seen them in almost five years. And I think it's because of that. And I miss those conversations. I miss the discovery and the curiosity and the creativity of the conversations, and then go, oh, I hear what you're saying. It's like we don't do the work anymore to get past the bias. Okay, I hear what you're saying. You hear What I'm saying, okay, we're not going to talk anymore or we're not going to get together for dinner.
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Patrick O.
But let's just, you know, we don't need to go off on this too much longer. But you know, I want to say is that it is interesting the divides have gotten far greater, you know, if we talk politics, you know, it was still. I always thought myself as quite a kind of liberal individual. I was pretty in the middle and I thought liberal, conservative, the line wasn't too wide. Like, you know, I had liberal kind of beliefs and how I looked politically on the liberal side of things, I wasn't against a lot of it. Whereas with. And even on the conservative, which would arguably the right, I had more conservative values and thought processes. But certainly over the past five years, in my world, confirmation bias. But I'm just following politics and I do a lot of research on it that, you know, what they call the far right, I call the extreme left. And so there is no center anymore. There is no middle ground. It's either black and white. It's. You're either extreme left or extreme. I call it radical left and they call it extreme right. So it's that it's this great divide and there is no seemingly in between. And that's what I got to say about that. That's just on the politics side of it. But it seems to be everywhere. There is no middle anymore. There's no gray. It's black, white, left, right, extreme. That's how I feel about it these days. I don't know.
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Stephanie Hanlon
I think it swings. Like you said, the pendulum will swing and. But there's also the people in the center that I think I would be considered more a populist now, where I'm drawn to people who have common sense and I'm drawn to people will have a conversation that's not from a teleprompter or. That's why again, I stopped watching news 10 years ago. I mean, every once in a while we'll pop it on because, you know, we want to see what people are being fed. And I get that, you know, and. But I don't want to have to be influenced by that. So when you talk about AI and the algorithms on social media, I also want to make sure that I'm stretching into the opposite of what it is that I believe. And as a, you know, partly as a contrarian, I like to do the opposite, not the obvious. So I think from a couple standpoint, if we just go right back to the beginning about our Strengths. As you know, the divide of men and women right now and to honor our differences. Wouldn't that be fun and wouldn't that be kind if we just got back to a place where we could honor our differences?
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Patrick O.
That would be cool. I could. Now I'm getting all fired up about where I want to take the conversation. But to respect our time and not going off on big long tangents any more than I usually do, I will wrap it up there. Whoa.
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Stephanie Hanlon
No, no, no. Give me a hint. I'll write it down. What are we going to talk?
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Patrick O.
Give me a hint about what?
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Stephanie Hanlon
Well, maybe we could do the next podcast on what you're thinking right now.
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Patrick O.
No, I'm not going to give any secrets away.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Oh, dude.
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Patrick O.
Folks, all I can say is this from a mindset matters point of view. You know, step back, make sure that you're looking after yourself. Make sure that you're surrounding yourself with like minded people. There's no point in, you know, fighting about certain things that there is no wins. Control what you can control, which is, you know, what you, how you feel about certain things or how you look at the world. Don't go down those negative rabbit holes. It's not a time for that. Step back, observe, Seek first to understand, then to be understood. All of the things that we know. You know, you referred to it as common sense. I don't know. Everybody thinks they have common sense.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Well, I think that's. It should be the six or seven sense. You know, after, after intuition there should be something. My mom always said there's five senses. But where did the common sense go?
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Patrick O.
Where did the common sense. Where did the common sense. That's a good one. Gosh, you're so honored today. Okay, we'll call that a wrap. Thanks everybody. Again. Apologize for where the ads are coming in. That's all we, that's the only way we can pay the team to look after our podcast for us. So thanks for your patience through it. We'll get it all handled. As always, any feedback that you might have is appreciated. CEO@Inforcement Canada.com CEO.com Stephanie thank you.
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Stephanie Hanlon
That was so fun.
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Patrick O.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for listening. If you found value in the podcast, please take the time to rate and review and share with others. Share with your friends as it is my goal to always improve and to provide the highest value for you, the listener. If you have any comments, suggestions or questions you'd like answered, please email me@ceoon canada.com that's ceocanada.com I look forward to hearing from you. And until next time, Patrick O.