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Mindset Matters – Episode #178 – The Comfort Trap: Stop Settling and Start Growing
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Patrick Hanlon
Foreign. Welcome to this episode of the Everyday Millionaire Mindset Matters podcast, where I'm joined by my wife, Olympic mental performance coach Stephanie Hanlon. Francie. In these episodes, Stephanie and I have a conversation about the different aspects of what we refer to as Mindset Matters because we believe that for those who are awake, we are living in and through the most impactful time in history. Your view of the world is the filter for how you will experience the evolution and changing dynamics of it. Our intention is to provide you with ideas, nutritious food for thought, and some tools that you can use to help you in being your greatest self and living your best life. Listen in, enjoy. Welcome back to Mindset Matters, where we're going to challenge old thinking, explore new perspectives, and help you design a life that aligns with who you're truly meant to be. Stephanie.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Hi, hon.
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Patrick Hanlon
I love that it's my goal today. Well, it's my goal every day that we do this. So I want to dive into something that we all kind of wrestle with. You and I wrestle with it all the time. We see clients, just people in general, wrestle with it. And that's whether even realize it or not. That's the comfort zone, that kind of cozy, familiar space where everything feels pretty easy but not necessarily meaningful. And that is, in fact, the issue. Part of the issue. So is our comfort zone crushing our dreams? Is it killing us? Our comfort zone is we all strive for it, I think, but it's not good for us. It's just not.
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Stephanie Hanlon
It isn't. And I think about the people that we work with. They're the best and their most magical selves when they're out of their comfort zone. You know, I always used to say I'm always wanting to stretch and strive and be uncomfortable being comfortable, being uncomfortable. And then I really realized the last little while that my comfort zone has gotten super comfortable.
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Patrick Hanlon
Okay, so we're going to unpack this a little bit more, and I'm going to do. Because I like parables, I like to set context with the parable when I can. And this is a familiar one, I think, for many. But in case it's not, it's still a good context for this conversation. And that is that a lobster is a very soft, vulnerable creature that lives inside its shell. You know that. I know that. And the thing is, is, though, that the shell doesn't grow. The lobster grows. The shell becomes very tight, very uncomfortable, and very constricting. And eventually what happens is the discomfort becomes too great. And the lobster knows that it has to Find a safe place. It has to shed its shell and then remain exposed and defenseless while it forms a new, larger shell. Now, the process repeats time and time again over many years. 60, 80, 100 years, apparently, is how long lobsters live or more. And the point of it is, is that within that parable, the understanding that growth always begins with discomfort. And without the pressure of the discomfort, in this case, the lobster would never grow, it would never change shells. And we as people, we seek comfort. And as a matter of fact, we would have to argue the fact that we work really hard to get comfortable. You know, we work hard to make money so we don't have to work so hard, those kinds of things. And so the topic is kind of interesting in that we think that we just want to be comfortable. And then when we hang out and being comfortable for a while, it gets uncomfortable and maybe we have to start again. So I just want to open it up with that. What's your comments to start?
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, being comfortable, being uncomfortable. I used. That used to be my mantra. I used to love that because I knew that as a trailblazer and somebody that was doing things that have really were not normal back in the day, that it was uncomfortable. You know, there was a lot of rejection in that, and I was. There was, you know, a lot of fear and a lot of, you know, perceived whatever, you know, back in the day. And I think you're right, you know, working hard to get comfortable, and then you have to actually work hard to get uncomfortable again. And when that happens, I think that's where the growth lives and that's where we don't give ourselves enough credit when we are creating businesses. I love the term, you know, to get uncomfortable, you also have to be creating. Creating something that maybe you've never done before. And I find when I'm comfortable, I'm more in the consuming mode. Like there's creating and consuming. Right. And I think in my comfort zone, I'm more of a consuming kind of energy instead of a creating energy. I don't know if that makes sense.
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Patrick Hanlon
Well, it does, and I think we. Let's. Let's get to that. But there's a fundamental around being and striving for comfort. So this really showed up for me. I mean, we've talked about comfort zone before. I want to expand on it a little bit, you know, because so many talk about comfort zone, we're all familiar with the term get out of your comfort zone and all the kind of parables, the analogies that we often use in around comfort. But there is a part of it that is a little bit. I. I think there. This is where the discomfort. So recently I was speaking at an event, and I totally changed the presentation midstream. Went from a presentation educational to more of a keynote inspirational. And the idea was that before I went to the event to speak, I was in the shower, and I was just feeling really good. I was a little tired. It was early in the day, early morning, and I was tired, and I was in the shower, and I was just loving my shower. It was nice and warm and cozy. Oh, I just loved it. And then I was done. And I had no. Like, why would I keep hanging out in the shower other than it was really warm and cozy. And my resistance to getting out of the shower was that I was going to go from whatever, 80 degrees in the shower to, you know, 72 degrees, and it was going to feel cold and uncomfortable. And that sparked the whole concept of, man, we just want to be comfortable, don't we? And the point of it is that, you know, as we look at living in our comfort zone, what happens if we're not careful is our world starts to shrink. If we live in our comfort zone, our health starts to go off track. You know, if we live in our comfort zone, we're not meeting as many people, we're not creating relationships. Depending on where you are in your life and business, for example, or your career, that becomes really important, that you're expanding, you're meeting other people, you're expanding your education, perhaps. But the point is, the more we live in this comfort zone and this coziness, the more we're actually shrinking. And we have to be very aware of that, because sometimes we think, well, we're just, I don't need to grow. I'm not interested in growing. But the reality of it is, if you're not growing, you're actually shrinking. So just food for thought. And one of the context that I wanted to lay out here, you know, for me, when to go back to the lobster parable, if you want, is, you know, we as people only truly grow when we feel the pressure or the external discomfort. And that, you know, gives rise to the necessity of stepping away from our comfort to expand who we are. And I'll pass it over to you, but that's kind of the thought process that I want to go with, is that, you know, our comfort could be really. It's beating us up. It's not doing us a service to seek comfort. That's the point.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, that's A really good point. And I'm kind of glad you didn't really prepare me for this conversation in advance today, because I told you, I.
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Patrick Hanlon
Said we're talking about comfort zone.
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Stephanie Hanlon
I know, but I didn't know where you were going to go with this, because I really see it's so funny. You made a really good point. I'm working with a group of athletes that are just getting ready to go to Boston for the World Championship. So figure skating, and there was a common theme, and this is so funny. They were skating around the ice, and they come over and, you know, they do their work with their coaches, and then at the end, they call me and we talk through the day, et cetera. What worked, what didn't work, et cetera. And one of the common themes this week was it was just uncomfortable. Like, things just didn't feel comfortable. And at one point, I'm thinking, this is a theme. And I finally said, why are you seeking comfort? You're about to go to the World Championships. You should be super uncomfortable putting yourself in a place where you can recognize that discomfort and embrace it and really go, okay, well, if I'm comfortable, chances are I might forget if I'm not nervous. The body doesn't respond physiologically to the heightened arousal and awareness that you need in order to compete at the highest level. So I had to reframe every single time. Oh, it just didn't feel comfortable. That arm wasn't comfortable. And my. My head didn't feel comfortable. I said, okay, we need to dig into that word, because that's not a word you should be feeling going into the. Into other than trusting your training is different. Right. What. What they were saying is that they were wanting themselves or their partner to do something different. So it made them comfortable, like, physically. And I was like, oh, this is perfect. So it gave me an entry point to talk about comfort zone and to talk about stretching and heightened arousal and using your nerves. And if you've got butterflies, put them in formation to have all these tricks and tips and tactics to handle to being uncomfortable. Because what I do find when we get to a big competition or an event or a tournament, it's the people who are relying on comfort that are just sharp.
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Patrick Hanlon
You know, it's. Go back to the lobster metaphor or parable, and that is that, you know, the. If the lobster doesn't grow, like, if the lobster doesn't shed that shell, it's going to feel really constricted. It's actually going to go from being comfortable to being very uncomfortable. It will ultimately probably feel like, I don't know, maybe the lobster feels like it's living in a prison. I know for me, I'll speak for me.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Is that like a lobster, Patrick, Be like lobster. Tell us how you feel.
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Patrick Hanlon
No, but like, I. So I think about what I. Sometimes for me, I have to be into. I got to be in the doingness of something. I got to try and keep what. What happens for me is if I'm not doing something what I feel is productive, I feel like I'm a little trapped. And I, as much as I love the comfort of my shower, there is a point where I don't like the discomfort of having nothing productive, creative, constructive to do. And I really noticed that about myself. So, you know, as we are in this phase of our life where many people are or my age are retiring, I'm going, how the hell, what the hell would I do? Like, I would lose my mind golfing every day. I would probably lose my mind even traveling just because I don't like getting on fricking airplanes and all that. But anyways, my point is that we have to self assess and say, you know, if we're feeling that we're trapped in our life or we're trapped in what we're doing, it's because we're not willing to get out of our comfort zone. And we've used this, I guess analogy before is. And often women, but it could be either or. So I, you know, I'm not an expert on it, but let's say in a relationship where there's some physical or mental emotional abuse and everybody around and around that person season says, you got to get out of there. Like, go, walk away. They're going, no, no, no, no, no, I can't do that. They didn't mean. And they start to justify, quantify, qualify. The reason they're staying in that relationship, the point of that is leaving that relationship is more uncomfortable because they're going into this world of unknown. As much as there may be physical, mental, emotional abuse in this relationship, they know it, they're familiar with it. It's actually in their head, is safer than going outside of that. And so this is where we have to look at all of these areas of our life and go, are we just fighting to be comfortable? And the cost of that is our. We're not growing. You know, if you're not feeling uncomfortable, there's no growth in that. So that becomes the question. So if we're sitting and having and working with people, they say they want Change. They want to improve their life. That goes back to the age old. Well, okay, then you have to do things differently, which means getting uncomfortable.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, that's so true. They want change, but they don't want to have to change.
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Patrick Hanlon
Well, this is like. Okay, so there's that metaphor or that, that I want to say. Metaphor. There's a quote that says, until the pain of staying the same gets greater than the pain of change, we won't change. This goes back to the lobster metaphor. Until the discomfort or the pain of remaining in that shell gets greater than the pain of staying in it, you don't change shells. And I think it goes back to that.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, it does. And I think the both of those stories means that when you are in that phase where you know something has to change or something will blow up or something will, you know, there'll be a drama or something will create some sort of reason for change. And I think that's the other, you know, damaging thing, is that we'd stay comfortable until something on the external forces. It could be an accident, it could be an illness, it could be a death, it could be anything external that, you know. And I, I've really committed in my life to not wait for that kind of thing to happen. You know, people will tend to change when they get a diagnosis of something or they, you know, want to clean up their diet if they something else has happened. So I really do see that and the discomfort, but there's the vulnerability that happens. Like the lobster. There's a time of exposure when you've stepped away from a relationship or you've changed jobs or you're out in the world and you're, you're moving, moving out of the house or something. And that's why travel, I think as a young person is so important because you're constantly uncomfortable. Your discomfort level becomes a new level and then it becomes the gauge at which you can then gauge if you're wanting to make the change or not. I have one funny little story. Can I tell it?
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Patrick Hanlon
Go. Yes.
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Stephanie Hanlon
My girlfriend was babysitting her nephew one time, and this is years ago, and there was four boys and two of them were in bunk beds in one room and she was babysitting them. Her sister and brother in law were out at a movie or something. So she goes wandering in just to check on the boys. And in one of the rooms in the bottom bunk bed, she's like, what is that smell? And she said, oh, maybe, I don't know what happened. So she goes around, checks on the other kids and comes back and she goes, oh no, there's something really wrong here. So she goes in and she bends down and sure enough, the little one on the bottom bunk had pooped his diaper. And obviously it was like hours ago. And she's like, emerson, what are you doing, sweetheart? We need to change your nappy, we need to change your diaper. And in this little four year old voice, he looks at her and he goes, yeah, but auntie, it's so warm and squishy. I like it. I don't want to change my diaper. And I. And it hit her and she called me, she goes, you're not going to believe this lesson. I just got the comfort from a four year old and why we stay in our shit is because it's warm and squishy and we like it.
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Patrick Hanlon
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's a, there's so many, you know, different stories around the fact that we strive for comfort. And it goes back to the point, I guess, that we, some of the things that we want to do, we. So for example, to remain and to stay healthy, to stay agile, to not let our age get the best of us and break our bodies down, we have to stress our bodies. It means going for a walk, it means going for a run, it means maybe working out in the gym. None of that is comfortable. But what the discomfort and the reward of that discomfort is a healthier life. And I always get, I'm really clear on this right now, is that being healthy, whether it be physically, mentally, emotionally, is not about living longer, it is about the quality of life while you are on this planet. And sometimes that translates into a very long life. You know you're going to live to 110 and that's awesome. But do you want to live to 110 and not have a great quality of life? I don't. You know, personally I want to have a great quality of life and live to 110. I don't want to just live to 110. That's not what it is for me. And I think that we do ourselves a disservice by not kind of owning the fact on the health side. This is just one example. It could be in business, by the way, is that we have to be prepared to get uncomfortable, to enjoy the benefits. But that brings to us the long term benefits. It's the entrepreneur or that career driven person who is willing to work hard, put in the time, get the extra education, do things that they wouldn't normally want to do. Because they see at the end of that work, at the end of that discomfort is a reward called a better life, a better lifestyle, goals that they wanted to achieve. And I think that's important is that nobody gets there by just hanging out, doing nothing, being comfortable. So I think that's really the message here, is that our comfort arguably is killing us if we look at it from a health point of view.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, being sedentary is definitely something. And I realized just, I'm very grateful, actually, for working out all the years that I did, because now that I've started back again, my muscles are responding a lot faster than I thought and it's slower because of my age. But I do see that there is some muscle memory there, and I'm feeling really grateful that I did that. And, you know, I wasn't one of those people that the youth is wasted on the young kind of thing. I think we both were quite blessed to be, you know, growing up and being quite athletic and at least having some sort of awareness to that. Because a sedentary lifetime lifestyle also leads to everything slowing down cognitively and mentally and seeking comfort.
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Patrick Hanlon
That's the other thing, you know, so forget about the physical, think about the cognitive, think about life experience. Think about what you bring to a relationship in terms of even conversation if you're not willing to stretch and get out there and have those experiences. You know, both you and I, we were. What part of what, you know, came up around this conversation is. I mean, we have created a pretty comfortable lifestyle. There's no question about it. We love our life and it can be very comfortable. And having said that, I'm not okay with that. Like, it's not what I worked all these years for, you know, that's not what it's about. Yes, it's a great lifestyle and. But I would be bored to tears if we just lived in that lifestyle. So it has to be going back to our values, our mission, our purpose, you know, making a difference, being a contribution. You know, some people would say, well, why do you do these podcasts all the time? Well, I don't know. I do it because I like it. You do it because you like it. Collectively, we like to do them. And so to the degree that people are listening, that's awesome. We know we have some real great followers and thanks for following and we always hope there's bringing great value, but the point of it is, it's not like it's only for that. We do it because it's a way of being a contribution. We get to kind of sort out some of our own shit. But ultimately, that's it. So when we're thinking about comfort, you know, you think about our life and our lifestyle. It's pretty cozy. And so what do I do? I take on more business ventures, and I do different things. I create different relationships. And for me, that's part of. I think what I need. Growth is paramount to me, because if I'm not growing, I feel like I'm stagnating and I get bored really easy. I don't know. I don't know the psychology of me, but ultimately it is really about getting uncomfortable. And I do that quite often.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Well, I think, too, you know, you make me think about it going back over time and how many times I've stretched into the next ring. So there's the comfort zone, then there's the fear zone or the vulnerability zone, and then there's the learning of that, and then there's the growth zone, Right. So then it kind of circles back, but in the. In the fear zone. And I don't know what's going to happen or the uncertainty. To me, that's where a lot of the clues are. And then when you get into the learning zone, for me, when I think about learning about what I'm wanting to do next, how I'm going to contribute next, and then you get into that growth zone, which I feel accelerates, but if it doesn't accelerate, then I go back and I look at, okay, what did I learn? What did I miss? Et cetera. And when I do this process and I do it with my clients, I also notice that there's a place when you're at the growth zone that you get comfortable again, of course. And so I was looking kind of backwards. You know, I don't know, maybe it was a moment or feeling sorry for myself or something, but I was thinking about all the people that are no longer in my life, and not for whatever reason, maybe they passed away or that's not their fault. I mean, that's just for me to deal with. But I was thinking, you know, every time I grew or moved or. I mean, we haven't moved a lot, but we did move provinces. But every time I was growing and in that learning zone, as I was honoring my values and actually shifting my values, because I know that the core values are kind of stable, but my driving values over the time that we've been together have really shifted and changed. And I've known that. I don't know if you noticed this, but people naturally left Your life or left my life.
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Patrick Hanlon
Oh, for sure.
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Stephanie Hanlon
And there was times I felt really guilty about that and I would race, you know, to try to, you know, be in a conversation or bring them along or just I felt guilty or I felt bad by, you know, leaving them behind or something. And what I noticed is that there was times where I would go back and connect with people and it would be like no time passed. Is amazing. I've got some of the best people in the world that I. Doesn't matter where we are in the world. If we. If it's two or three or five years, we get back together and it was like no time passed. And then there's certain people that I really miss and that I actually evaluate and go, you know, what. What did I miss about them? And I look back and I go, you know what? Part of why I moved on is because they weren't willing to change or grow. And I didn't want to make that wrong, but I knew I was on a journey and I was on some kind of path and they were comfortable the relationship that we were in and I wasn't. And so when it comes to that, it just. It really hit me the other day.
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Patrick Hanlon
Yeah, well, there was something else that showed up for me in that regard. So some. I mean, I think some people in my life that were absolutely. I don't know, they were essential for me to go where I wanted to go, to get done what I wanted to get done. But I think there's a place where in many cases, I outgrew them. I outgrew the teacher, if you will. And so some of the people that we have seen leave our life, it was just. It's not so much that I think we. It's not that we outgrew them, but they. They were there. They were an important part of our life. They were part of our transition into what was ever was next. And then it just kind of fades away because they're no longer. We're not bringing each other's. You know, there's nothing coming to the party, you know what I'm saying? Within the relationship. And then I think people just move on. We move on. They move on. Not like there's hard feelings. It's just what happens. We. We outgrow.
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Stephanie Hanlon
But that's a lesson we don't learn soon enough. I remember thinking when Aaron was little and she'd be heartbroken because girls would move on, or she moved from Edon to Ontario and things were changing, and it's so hard for young people. To be okay with that because they get comfortable in their. In their school or in their learning or classroom or their groups. And then what? I don't know if it's the thing that we teach or can teach or it's just a natural, you know, attrition or growth or entropy when things get too, too much and people move on. I remember even thinking about how it hurts when people leave my life or. Or what happens. Am I being unchosen? Is there something in there? And to me, that's also a clue about doing my own work and really teaching the people around. When people are, are. Are called to move forward, they're not rejecting you, they're not leaving you. And that's what I wish we could. We could teach people younger, you know, and I think. Or maybe we can't teach it. Maybe it's a lesson that people learn on their own.
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Patrick Hanlon
Yeah, I mean, go down a whole different, you know, lots of rabbit holes around there. I think about, you know, the kids in high school that, you know, their parents, you know, say, well, we need to move, and there's a, you know, a huge meltdown. My best friends, my, you know, and all, hey, listen, you know, when you're that age, it's. I get it. But you. You can only go back and reflect. I mean, I think about. I know I. I still know many of the people I went to school with, but I only know them. Like, I don't hang out with them, I don't see them. It's like they're so. That's a distant past, you know, so. But you at 15 years old, it's the only. It's the most important thing in the world. And so can you actually. Can you help your kids out, grow that earlier than hanging on to it? I don't know. I'm. Where. I don't know where I'm going with that, but it's probably not important. But that was my observation. Sometimes when we think about, I mean, how many of your high school friends do you still hang out with?
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Stephanie Hanlon
Well, probably because they don't like me, so.
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Patrick Hanlon
They don't like you anymore. I know, but there's something that you said earlier that I don't want to step over. Right. So every time we go from discomfort to comfort, from comfort to discomfort, there's the growth that goes with that. But every time we up the level, the benchmark gets higher. We normalize it. And I often use. Because it was a big deal for me, and I know it's a big deal for many, which Is public speaking standing on a stage in front of an audience even different than doing a podcast? Although a podcast can be a little intimidating too, when you first start. And how many people don't do a podcast, have lots of great, great insights and they're funny and all the rest of it, but they can't bring it into the public space. So when we look at the resistance, people has said that they fear public speaking more than they fear death. I don't know if that's still the case because it seems like everybody gets up in front of somebody. It seems like nobody's afraid of it anymore. I know that's not the truth, but when you start to then get into that space where you. I think about the team with pro skate, I could not get those kids in front of a camera. Like, I had to harass them. And then through, you know, a little bit of harassment, a little bit of coaching, a little bit of nudging, they got in front of the camera a couple times, did a couple Facebook lives, did a couple of videos, and then it was like, hey, I can get pretty good at this now. It's got, okay, guys, you know, there's work to be. Can you get out of. Put the camera down. But they're doing a great job and they're having fun and they start to be able to look at it and share all the things that they want to know that they know, and they get to share it with people who want to know. And that's really cool. So for those of you, for example, who are a little bit gun shy about or really afraid of public speaking, do what you need to do to get the training to do that, because you have gifts, you have insights, you have lessons to share, and people want to hear them. And for you, for those who are afraid of public speaking, that then becomes. Once you bust through that, it just becomes the new normal. And that's what I saw with the team, you know, in with pro skate, for example, it's just the new normal.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, I love it. I think there's also a pull when you know that you have a void, a calling or some sort of message to get out to the world. And just a little funny story is that when I knew I needed to write a book, I wrote and wrote and wrote. I hired a ghostwriter. I did this and I did that, and I did everything that I could except get it published. And I remember it stretched me and it. And it's still sitting on the computer somewhere. And I know I'm going to circle back to it. But you know what stopped me? I went to the bookstore and I used to hang out at the bookstores all the time in Edmonton especially, there was the best little bookstores. And I would go in and I would look at everything and I realized there's so many people that know so much more than me. Why would anybody read a book that I wrote? So I went from the growth zone, knewing I needed to do it to the fear zone, going, I can't do this. Every time I came up with a title, I'd see it on the bookshelf, you know, and I'm like, this isn't. And I. It stopped me. And I'm really re looking at that now and saying I really let the fear of the judgment and not honoring the fact that I have my own unique voice. And I just stopped going to that bookstore for a while because I lost a lot of confidence. And I just like, I have no. Like that's all been written before. What do I have to say? So I would talk myself out of it. So I don't know when I'm where I'm going with that. But it was more comfortable just to quit at that point.
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Patrick Hanlon
And so here you sit with an unpublished book. So, you know, there's a consequence to. To hanging out in our comfort zone. It doesn't share, in this case, didn't share your message. You didn't get it out there. You've got this thing, this book sitting there ready to go and you can't bring yourself to get it published. The point of it is, is that if we are feeling uncomfortable, are we feeling uncomfortable because we're stretching or are we feeling uncomfortable because we're trapped in this prison of our life that is no longer rewarding and is no longer supporting what we need to be mentally, physically, emotionally, financially healthy? And, you know, those are just, you know, in any area of our life relationally. So when we look at all of the seven areas of our life which we often talk about, we have to look and say, okay, are we just fighting to be comfortable? What if we fought to be uncomfortable, to take it to the next level, to do what we need to do to grow and stretch into what is next for us? I don't know. I guess it's a funny place that we're in when we start to, you know, I realize at this point in my life is, you know, I'm closer to the end than I am to the beginning and you start to realize mortality. Or I've started to say, oh, you know, there's. There is. There's something going on here. Right. And I have to pay attention to. So living a fulfilled life, making a difference, being a contribution is ultimately what lights me up. It's what I can say that I can bring a lot of years of being in this world to the table and share with people, use the podcast. And, you know, all 10 people that are listening to it would probably applaud.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Well, don't forget my dad and my brother watching us on YouTube every Thursday.
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Patrick Hanlon
Oh, there you go. There you go.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Hi, dad. Hi, Michael.
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Patrick Hanlon
Hey, dad. Hey, Michael. Okay, so get uncomfortable. Step, stretch out, you know, and we. I mean, there's a million places to go with the conversation about not being in your comfort zone. But always remember and kind of reflect. Are you fighting to be comfortable, which means that you're fighting to stop growing. And that is, I think, probably one of the things that you can take away from this particular conversation. That's all I got. Anything you want to add?
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Stephanie Hanlon
No, just thanks for the reminder is that I do enjoy the uncomfortable zone and I have been seeking comfort. I think I've been wanting something externally to kind of knock me out of it. But ultimately, I'm so grateful for our life and I just, for the last little while, just wanted to feel that, how grateful I am that we've created this. And I'm ready to stretch, I'm ready to grow. I'm ready to step into what's next. And I know it's going to be uncomfortable and I'm going to, you know, a little bit like the lobster. So I'm going to go be like a lobster.
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Patrick Hanlon
Well, your comfort zone is becoming uncomfortable, and that's when you have to make decisions. You have to move forward. You have to change. That's all I got. Thanks, Stephanie.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Leehan. That was fun.
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Patrick Hanlon
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