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Mindset Matters - Episode #196 - The Michelangelo Effect: Chipping Away to Discover Your True Self
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Stephanie Hanlon
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Patrick
Welcome to this episode of the Everyday Millionaire Mindset Matters podcast, where I'm joined by my wife, Olympic mental performance coach Stephanie Hanlon. Francie. In these episodes, Stephanie and I have a conversation about the different aspects of what we refer to as Mindset Matters because we believe that for those who are awake, we are living in and through the most impactful time in history. Your view of the world is the filter for how you will experience the evolution and changing dynamics of it. Our intention is to provide you with ideas, nutritious food for thought, and some tools that you can use to help you in being your greatest self and living your best life. Listen in, Enjoy. Hey there, and welcome to Mindset Matters, where we explore the thoughts that shape our lives and how to clear the ones that don't. Each week, we step into the practice of mind shui, Feng shui for the mind. It's not just about positive thinking. It's about purposeful thinking. And the mind shui wei helps you clear the mental clutter, uncover hidden beliefs, and realign with your truth so you can live with clarity, energy, and purpose in all areas of life. Stephanie, welcome.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Hey, honey.
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Patrick
Well, that was short. That seemed a little curt.
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Stephanie Hanlon
A little curtain abrupt today. It's been a long day.
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Patrick
Curtain abrupt. Okay, fine. Be that way. So I got an interesting topic, and I'm going to give it a context, and that context is what I'll call the Michelangelo effect. So Michelangelo, as you know, is a pretty famous sculptor. Did you know that?
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, he's kind of a famous dude.
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Patrick
He's pretty infamous. Anyways, you know, we have this quote that he, you know, when Michelangelo was asked how he created his masterpieces, he apparently famously said, I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. In that case, he was talking, I think about David. And you think about that is that the Michelangelo effect is really about not adding, but taking away. So what he was seeing in that block of stone was David in that stone. And it was about what he had to take away to come up with David, the masterpiece and the sculpture he calls David. Now, the metaphor, the relatedness to that is that when we are on this journey of being the best version ourselves, listening to podcasts, reading books, trying to uncover and discover who we truly are, the values we live in. We're constantly thinking about who we need to become. What we need to add is in the thought process there.
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Stephanie Hanlon
The doing moreness.
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Patrick
The doing moreness, the being more, adding more. So in this conversation, I wanted to give some thought to what is it that we maybe shift in our thinking is that we already are that masterpiece. And we keep adding to the block of stone as opposed to taking away from the block of stone. So the consideration is, what is it that me maybe think about removing and being intentional and the thought process about that. So we talk about busting through our comfort zones and being uncomfortable. That is often about change and maybe taking away, shifting how we're showing up. And that would imply that we have to take something away because we're not showing up in a certain way. We're not bringing the same old self to whatever circumstances that we find ourselves in, whether it be social circumstances or business circumstances or family, whatever area of life, our health. So what is it that we need to take away? Like, let's just use health as an example and then I'll be quiet for a second and then you can be really profound, if you don't mind. Don't be curt though.
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Stephanie Hanlon
I'll do my best.
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Patrick
Okay. So the thought is that think about health. You know, many struggle with health issues and part of it is because they don't want to give up unhealthy things or they can't get past their addiction, whatever that addiction could be to sugar, could be to cigarettes, could be to alcohol. Whether it's a, an addiction or it's really your body leading the way instead of your true self, your identity is shifting. You know, there's, there's just parts of it that when we look at health, there's some things that we have to remove, which is how we view food, for example, or how we view our health. I'll leave it there. I just wanted to give it a little bit of context and see if you want to, you know, take. Pick that puck up and, and, you know, do a breakaway slap shot.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, I, I like this. I, I love the fact that you never kind of give me a heads up around what we're going to talk about or the context. But I really love the Michelangelo effect about removing the things that are in the way to uncover our true self. I remember a couple years ago, you know, this isn't a journey of self discovery, it's a journey of self uncovery. Do you remember that? And I really love that because, you know, from a society that we're told that we have to do more, be more, have more, you know, whether it's, you know, material things or finances or whatever. More, more, more, more, more. And one of the things I've learned over the years is that there actually is no more. There is Just what it is. And the, the seeking or the striving for more is, is really a trap. And you know, back to your conversation about what do we have to maybe let go of, you know, with the athletes I work on, you know, when we talk about the backpack and what are the rocks in the backpack that we're carrying around, the story that we're telling ourselves, and we just carry them around from, from rink to rank, from story to story to relationship to relationship, and we think that we're going to be, you know, one day we're just going to be accepted for who we are, right? And instead of going, well, maybe if I remove this block of believing that I'm not worthy or believing that I have to be a certain way, why don't I start just removing these rocks from my backpack and lighten my load and see what happens. And whether it's removing old stories that we're telling ourselves or even considering, like back to your, you know, your health conversation, your health example is that, you know, what do I need to remove, you know, to have a healthy body, to have the body that I of my dreams at my age, like, what do I need to do to shift and change that? And the first thing is, is to find a place to love and accept where I'm at and who, who I am in the moment. Because I don't believe we can change anything in our lives or remove or add anything until we get to a deep level of acceptance.
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Patrick
Oh, that's such a great point when you think about it. First off, that's the place to start is, you know, accept where you are. The journey that you've been on is what got you here. And then you can start to kind of think about what is it that life looks like. You know, this goes back to a conversation we had where the prison that everybody lives in is that there's something wrong with our life right now. That's the prison that most people live in. I would say all people at varying degrees, that there something wrong with the life the way that is. And that's why they're often wanting to change or wanting more and wanting to do more, be more, all of those things. So there's the, that's the thought process. But what if we just accept where we at, you know, where we're at, you know, warts and all the mistakes we've made, the trials, the tribulations, the misgivings, all of the things that got us to where we are now, we have to first off, go, that is what it Is that can't be changed. That is the past. Now we have to think about what is the future. So, you know, it's an interesting place. You know, as I've personally gone on this journey of now being 67 years old, one of the realizations I recently had is I was observing some men much younger than me. Like, younger, as in 47, you know, 40 years old. That's much younger to me because I can go back in my mind. So here's the thing about that. I can reflect back when I was 40 and go, oh, what was the story I was telling myself about somebody who was 67 or 65 or. It seems so old. And now that I'm here, it doesn't seem that old. So I can reflect and go, oh, in reflection, I can look and say, I relate to where those men are. I relate to how they're showing up, how they're being and understanding that in that phase of our life, we're searching for more, being more, wanting more, buying stuff and, you know, being, I don't know, like, driving our careers or our businesses or whatever it is, you know, some more, more, more, more, more. And it's always more. And I was thinking about it in reflection because I can reflect on being 47 or 40 or whatever age that's younger than me, but when I was that age, I couldn't reflect on what it was to be 67 or 65. You follow me?
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Stephanie Hanlon
You can't reflect into the future. It's impossible.
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Patrick
It's impossible. It's an imagined future. The future is imagined as is, you know, and the past, of course, is gone. So the point of it is, I guess through all of this, in my own reflection, is how much I chased more and created an amazing life. But at what cost? And in reflection, I think there was things that I could have removed. And I'm not just talking about material things. It was the way I was showing up, the way I was being. And it's only in reflection you can go back and go, okay, quit that. These are attitudes that can be removed. It's a way of thinking that can be moved. Removed. It can be a perspective which, you know, you and I have talked about a lot, is that perspective is always what drives perception. And at 67, I have a different perspective. And so I'm really embracing my own aging and what I've learned and being happy about it and realizing that, wow, you know, this. This, at this phase of my life, is that it really is about what do I want to remove. I don't want to add more. You know, what am I chipping away at? What is the block of marble that I've got to come to some masterpiece and I haven't seen the masterpiece. See, Michelangelo saw the masterpiece.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Well, I see the masterpiece. That's why I keep chipping away at you.
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Patrick
Oh, that's good. But that's so true. That's so true.
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Stephanie Hanlon
It's true. That's why, you know, we think about the, you know, our relationship over the years and we talked about the ebbs and the flows and the, you know, that we're on the same path. And then you scoot ahead and then I catch up and then I scoot ahead and then, you know, we go through these weird transitions and growth periods where we're trying to do and be the best we can be. And at the same time, by doing that, I think, you know, learning from each other and I think we're our biggest foils and our biggest, you know, supports at the same time is, you know, be able, being able to discover and uncover who we're meant to be and who we're being. It's about, okay, well, what if I wasn't that and what if I am wrong and what if what I'm feeling are not facts? You know, things like, okay, so where, what weight am I putting on how I'm feeling in this moment and is it really true and is it really factual and is it, you know, is it based in, in kindness? Is it based in, you know, do I have evidence? Those kinds of things. And to have that awareness at my age, at our age, we can't have that at a certain age in our lives because we're dealing with things in real time, whether it's family or dramas or work or trying to, you know, jump into survival mode. I mean, really, when you think about it, what we have is the gift of age and the fact that we've been able to be on this planet as long as we have, maybe there's some wisdom and some thought processes that we can invite people to step into. But when I think about, you know, our neighbor and the people around us and we used to call them our 30 year olds, remember, and now they're our 40 year olds. You know, the people in our life that we're still learning from and we're still growing and, and inviting their input and, and sharing their experiences and really helping ourselves grow. But at the same time, the paradox is that we're helping them grow, they're helping us grow. And from a place of contribution and purpose. I think it's really important that we keep chipping away at our, you know, at the clay around us, at. At the. At the stone, and then keep removing the rocks from our own backpacks.
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Patrick
But I. But, yeah, and I get that. And I. But here's the thing that I have come to realize is that, you know, when you think about what we do as coaches is we're rarely giving client's advice. You know, we're really asking them questions because we both believe, and I think any great coach believes, that the client, the person you're speaking with, has the answers. Our job is not to give them the answers, even though it's so apparent sometimes it's more about us asking the questions to get them to that ultimate answer that they have. It's our job to help them clear that mental clutter. The fear and the false identity, the stories that they tell themselves, that's actually what's. What's in their way, but it's getting to who they really are. You know, we often use the phrase, I believe in you more than you believe in yourself. People don't get that. They really don't see that. But I have to, you know, so it's not flattery, it's just a fact. We see the strength, we see the brilliance. We see the potential in people that they've either forgotten or not even forgotten, that they don't want to lean into, they don't want to step into it. They can't see it, and they don't. So therefore, they don't own it. So I think that's all cool. When you're chipping away at me, as you so eloquently pointed out, which you do. I think we do a pretty good job of that in general with each other. Our job is to kind of hold up a mirror and hand somebody else the chisel, though. But for us to do that ourselves, that's way harder. You know, it is really hard to see our blind spots, even when we're aware and trying to find it, because we don't know how we're occurring. You and I don't know how we are occurring for people on this podcast other than we get feedback and we're a highly rated Pete podcast, and we're on our journey, so we often look at people and go, you're not broken. We're not here to fix you. We're just here to kind of help you remove some of the mental clutter or emotional clutter that is in your way of being the David that's in the stone. I don't know. I'm going off on a tangent, but what's your thoughts?
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Stephanie Hanlon
No, I get that. Becoming the best version of yourself. I mean, I've heard that. One of my favorite podcasts is John Nolan, and he's got the inspired podcast and he has the same vision for us as we do for. For his podcast is. Is really helping people see and live and be the best version of themselves. Because at this point, you know, we don't know how long we have, you know, on this planet. We don't know how long we have to. To make a contribution, make a difference. And are we going to, you know, wake up tomorrow? My mom always said, be careful. You don't want to wake up dead. You know, I'm like, what, What. What does that mean? But her in her world, it was like, do what you can do today. Make the difference. You can, you know, use the good china, which we do. Which I do. Just. All my friends know that I use the good china. We. We make sure that we, you know, say what we need to say before the end of the night. We try not to go to bed mad. Those kinds of things about the standards and the. And the values that you want to live. Are you being true to that? You know, because when the truth. Because the truth is less is more, you know, there's a line that I love is that there was a line that came, I don't know, it was in the 90s or early 2000s, is do less, be more, or do less, get more. And with me, I've evolved that line.
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Patrick
It's do less, get more, do nothing. I don't know. There. There is.
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Stephanie Hanlon
I'm getting to that, dude.
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Patrick
Oh, sorry. A profound thought. Okay, sorry.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, and it was. I evolved that line. It was do less, get more. And one day, you know, I was thinking about it and I was like, well, what if it's do nothing, get everything? Like, how do we get to a place of stoicism or the doing, the nothingness, and understand that that is where the answers are? That is where everything lives. The, the nurturing. The truth is in the nothingness. And, and the doing and the distractions are really what keep us away from that. That place of truth, that place of what is the groundedness in our. What is the first principle that we live from? What is our truth? And when I got to that, you know, that's something that I guess I forget every once in a while when I get up in my all in my kitchen and forget about. You Know, the journey that we're on or that I'm on is that I can't do myself out of these things. I can't do it. Like, there's not that can't. There's nothing I can do right now. I have to be it, right? Like. Like Frank N. Furter said in Rocky Horror Picture show, don't, you know, you just don't do it. Just be it. You have to just be it.
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Patrick
Let me give you a thought process that when we talk about the sculptor chipping away, there is a, you know, as we continue on, that kind of metaphor is that within the block of stone is the sculpture, you know, and when we think about what do we have to chip away, you know, we continue to think about within the context of mind, Shui is clearing the clutter of your mind. But part of that clutter is the stories we tell ourselves, the hidden beliefs that we have. The. Those are the stories, and the hidden beliefs are part of what we have to chip away that we have to uncover and get to. And when we think about all of the years that we've done the work, and we continue to do the work even today, like, in this point in our life, there's still things that we're uncovering about those hidden beliefs that show up that we don't recognize until we actually have something show up, whatever emotional jag we get into. But the difference is, I think for us, it's. Is that if we're angry, if we're pissed off at somebody else, if something happens to us and we start to blame, or if we're making excuses for why we're not achieving something, for me, those are really apparent. For me, those are, if the minute I want to blame somebody, whether. Even if I'm blaming circumstances, I look at it and I go, where am I responsible in that? Where can I have gone a different route? And where did I make a decision to go that route? And what was that decision based on? So all these. I mean, they seem so deep and thoughtful. And you have these thoughts in, like, nanoseconds, right? Like, it's not this big, long thought process we go through. But I think that's part of our training is we look in the mirror often and say, okay, where did that decision come from? What is the perspective I have? What is it I could have done different? Why did I choose that, to go that direction at the time? Those are all questions, but it's to really unpack and start to ask, you know, maybe I'm operating on top of Aid and belief. What is it I believe about myself that isn't true, that I'm. I'm making it true, but it's not true. So I chip away that, and the masterpiece emerges. This is what you got. Am I. I think I'm maybe halfway done. The sculptor.
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Stephanie Hanlon
I know, right? That's why you've got to keep on this journey, and that's why I got to live. 172 years old, I guess. But ultimately, I hear what you're saying, because, you know, when I bump into myself, you know, I don't know if anybody else feels this, but I really sometimes just want to shift the blame and not carry the weight of it. You know, I. Sometimes I just don't want to be responsible for what I've created. Sometimes my feelings overwhelm me, you know, And I know that. That feelings aren't facts. I know that to be true, and I know that, you know, energy is energy in motion. There's only one when you think about. You go back into a memory, or you go back into a moment in time, the event that happened that triggered the memory or the emotion only happened once. It only happened once. And then we keep going back and making it real and making it real. It's like we take more clay and we just build over and build over, and then all of a sudden, we got this big wound and this big scar. But the truth is, whatever happened that was going on for us at that time, whether it's the trauma, big T, little T, or whatever, it only happened once. So that's the feeling that happened once. And the emotion, the energy in motion makes it real. It brings it back from 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, five minutes ago. And it's that emotion that drags us into it. And I think, to me, that's where I think I get, you know, the little. The scar tissue around, you know, trying to chip away at my own stone and try to get, you know, get back to or. Or step into who I'm really meant to be. But sometimes I get caught in the loop of the emotion, of the attachment to what happened in that moment, in the feeling. And I have to keep reminding myself that thing or whatever it is, that trauma or whatever decision or that hidden belief, it only happened once.
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Patrick
Yes. But always remember one thing, and this is so profound. I hope I'll say this every podcast to remind people is ego needs to be right. It needs to be right for its survival. And so when we start to understand how ego impacts us and that it needs to be right. It's always going to draw on history. Even if that history was only that one time that you're talking about, it's always going to go back and draw on our past in order to validate its rightness today. You follow what I'm saying?
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Stephanie Hanlon
Absolutely.
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Patrick
Yeah. So as much as that only happened once, it circulates in our brain and it keeps coming back. And the ego goes, remember that time? Remember that time? Remember that time. And it's only the same time. And so when you're bumping up against current circumstances, your ego's validating it being right or wrong, by the way, what.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Happened that one time?
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Patrick
Yeah, but it's gonna. Yeah, but it's gonna validate itself by saying, this was good for you. Do you remember in the past when it was good for you, even though it might not have been? It will shift the story. So that is the power of this. So what do we actually, when we keep coming back, I want to come back around in that thought process and to say, okay, so given that, what are we chipping away? And sometimes what we have to chip away is our ego and understanding of our ego. So there's another question here, which is, you know, you and I have each other in our life. You know, you can piss me off. You chip away. I don't want to be chipped away. I do the same for you. You know, we irritate each other. But that's all part of, you know, like, if you're getting chipped away at, it's going to be irritating. It might even be a little painful sometimes. Right. I don't know how David felt about it. He was.
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Stephanie Hanlon
He was inside trying to get out the whole time.
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Patrick
He was inside trying it. He's like just a chunk of stone. But do you follow my thought process here? Is that okay? So that's okay for us, but what if you're somebody who's single? You know, that's not. Something's not right. Who's chipping away? Where are you going to get that support? Where it is in fact, not criticism, where somebody's supporting you on that kind of uncovering yourself, that chipping away. Because if you don't have that, you're going to play into the story, and that's where some dissatisfaction will live. Some, you know, some dis. Ease, if you will, and that's not healthy. And so if you're looking for some solution to say, okay, I don't know, I can't see it. That's. I'm just pointing that out that we need the sculptor as well.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah. Oh, my gosh, that's such a good point. Because when I think about it and I look at all the stuff that's going on and my young friends that are trying to find love and they're on all the apps and the dating apps and everything like that, and they're putting their best foot forward and the other person's putting their best foot forward, and next thing you know, they bump into each other and they go, oh, that cat. That's got to be wrong, because it doesn't feel right anymore. And you're wrong. And. And now I'm wrong and I'm not fully accepted, and I thought you were the one. And. And I realized is that until we can go a little bit deeper and, you know, chip away a little deeper and, and then actually have the. The trust that it's okay to open that wound or. Or show that person that we're not perfect or have a. A negative reaction and. Or allowing somebody to have a negative reaction around us and not take it personally, then. Then how do we take the relationship to the next level? And to your point is that, you know, we've been together so long and we pushed each other's buttons for so long that I think there's a level of trust, obviously, and longevity and, And. And truth telling that comes from that. And as hard as it is sometimes to sit, you know, outside and talk to you over coffee when I'm in my, you know, in my most emotional or bluest time, and all I'm wanting is for you to say, okay, honey, come here and give me. Give me a hug and a chocolate chip and $5 million and it be fine. Right? And I just. What I just want to hear sometimes. And I feel bad, I think sometimes when I see my young friends searching for even some of the. Some of them have said, you know, I really want what you have with Patrick, but I really don't want to do what you guys have to do. And I'm like, oh, actually, then you can't really have what we have, because you can. But if you're not willing to do the work, then you're going to have a version or a version of a relationship that you're creating. But if you're not willing for one of you to be the sculptor every once in a while and one of you to be David to be, then. Then there's not going to be an ebb and a flow of the relationship. And I think that's. And maybe that's Just my, you know, pop psychology right now. But ultimately I think that's what I'm seeing. The wound in the world right now is, is that people are so defensive and so scared and so wounded right now. You know, I think especially it's come up in the last five or six years is how do we put ourselves in situations in conversations where we're okay, when someone has their chisel out and they're like, can I just show you this? Can I just point this out? You know, because if we're not in request for it, then, you know, it feels like we're being judged or we're being criticized and it's obviously wrong. So I got to run away from this. And you're an. Right.
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Patrick
Well, there. But some of this. Okay, so let's just keep thinking about this a little bit and work it through. So part of what we have to chip away, and a lot of times people don't want to chip away things is because they have a lot of identity attached to who they're being, what they're doing. And so when you have an identity, then you have the ultimate identity crisis. What is on the other side? You know, we've talked about this. I had that my own conversation around that was, you know, you have to leap the. The chasm. The chasm. What's the right word? What's right pronunciation? Chasm. Right?
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Stephanie Hanlon
I think it's chasm.
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Patrick
Yeah, yeah.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Like from one cliff to the other. I think that that gap is called.
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Patrick
Yeah, you gotta jump. You gotta leap that gap. But if you're, if the, if the identity is lives on that side of the valley, if you will, and you gotta take that leap and you're afraid of losing that identity. That is part of what gets chipped away. And so there's a thought process behind it all that as we work with people or we have conversations or somebody goes, well, I don't know if I want that coaching. I don't know if you're right. So there's these conversations that happen that you can see that the fear is, who am I if I'm not that? So if I'm chipping away, that part of me. So consider parents. Consider empty nesters. You know, some embrace it. You know, there's like, yahoo, I'm an empty nester. Okay, kids, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. We're out of here. Right? Like it's. There's that and then there's those that are very connected and part of their identity is Being that parent, that grandparent that's in the lives of their family. And really. And maybe that's, you know, that may be a little overbearing. So how do you take that away from them? How do you chip that away so that they can then say, okay, who am I if I'm not that? I don't know if that's a good example. I mean, we often relate it to careers and business and all sorts of things. You know, who are you if you're not the CEO of something, the president of something? Who am I if I'm not the host of my podcast the Everyday Millionaire, or we're not the hosts of our podcast, Mindset Matters, like, who are we? We don't have that particular issue, but there is an identity with it that we would have to transition into. What's next for us, whatever that may be.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Well, it's an internal recovery, too. Right? Like, think about it as parents, grandparents, as we are, and we had the opportunity to spend time with Aaron and Alyssa and Monty this week and get to just play and hang out and take care of them and, you know, all those kinds of things, and then they leave, you know, so it's. I don't think our identity is attached to that. I think we get to explore more of who we get to believe.
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Patrick
It's something we do. Our identity in that. Yeah, I mean, it's just how we show up as parents, grandparents. But.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, but my point being is that, you know, the labels that we put on ourselves is. You know, I remember back in the day when I left the Edmonton Oilers as their skating condition coach, and, you know, it was. I think it was 19, 1999 or 2000, and I remember thinking about, who am I if I'm not the Oiler skating coach? Do I have value? Do you remember that?
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Patrick
Will anybody even care who you are?
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Stephanie Hanlon
Right, because what am I going to lead with in a conversation? What's going to make me special? What's going to make me stand out? Right? And I remember a couple of conversations with people, and they're like, nobody gives a what. What you do.
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Patrick
Nobody gives a.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Right. So just. So stop it. Don't lead with that and. And see that people are going to like you anyway when you figure out your, you know, just your authentic self. Be yourself. Be your, you know, your awkward, you know, socially awkward, funny, clumsy, smart, you know, funny self. Like, just find that without the label. And I think about. When we think about identity, whether it's the Oiler skating coach or the Olympic performance coach, or in your case, CEO of Rain, you know, developer mind shui the every. Oh, hilarious. So. So that time you were in Toronto and you get off the elevator and this person comes up and go, hey, you're the everyday millionaire guy. And. And you're like, yeah, hi, I'm Patrick. Francie. Like, it's. It's also something on the other side where people relate to those external identities, too. Right. So it's in our best interest, I think, as humans, as people, is to not identify. If I'm only. If my mom was only Stephanie and Michael's mom, if that was her only identity, and then when we moved on or moved out or Michael moved away halfway across the world and I did this and that, then she wouldn't have had a very strong sense of self either. Right. So I think I really would love to, you know, dig into this conversation even more. When it comes to what attachment we have to certain identities, and if we're not willing to have other people, you know, do their Michelangelo thing and chip away at us, can we do it ourselves? And that's hard.
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Patrick
It's hard. But that is the mine shui way. So, folks, think about that. If you're chipping away, what is it that you want to chip away to uncover the David that you are or the. I don't know, what's a female carving? There's probably many of them, but anyways.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, but I think David is an archetype, because it really is from a historical standpoint. I think a lot of people can relate to it.
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Patrick
So. And who's your sculptor or who are you being a sculptor for? So some food for thought, and I think we've covered this one pretty good. Stephanie, thank you.
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Stephanie Hanlon
Yeah, thanks, son. That was fun.
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Patrick
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Stephanie Hanlon
Oh.