Mindset Matters - Episode #237 - How We Disagree Without Disconnecting: Listener Questions, Honest Answers

Summary

The Everyday Millionaire: Mindset Matters Podcast Episode #237 – How We Disagree Without Disconnecting: Listener Questions, Honest Answers
Hosts: Patrick Francey & Stephanie Hanlon
Date: May 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this candid and engaging episode, Patrick Francey welcomes his wife and Olympic mental performance coach, Stephanie Hanlon, to discuss the realities of navigating disagreement, partnership, and the nuances of working together. Centered around insightful questions submitted by listeners, the conversation explores how differences can strengthen relationships—whether personal or professional—without eroding connection or building resentment. Through personal stories, open reflection, and honest humor, Patrick and Stephanie reveal the mindsets and strategies that have helped them foster a resilient partnership over three decades.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Disagreements in Relationships: Strategies & Growth

Timestamps: 03:07–10:22

• No Formal Strategies, Just Evolution:
  Stephanie admits, “I just disagree. I don’t have a strategy... Over the years, think about it—summer 2026 will be our 30th wedding anniversary. I think we’ve disagreed just as much as we have agreed, but there’s a context for it.” (03:07)

• Choosing Your Battles:
  Patrick describes a conscious approach:
  “My strategy is really, you know, I look at it and go, is it worth the argument? Why do I need to debate it? Sometimes I just don’t bite. I will say nothing. I’ll go away, I’ll think about it, and I’ll come back and circle back to that conversation later.” (04:05)

• Evolution, Not Perfection:
  Both hosts emphasize that their skills in managing disputes have evolved over time, with a decreasing need to be "right" and an increased focus on being heard and respected.

• Keeping It Respectful:
  “We don’t throw personal shots at each other ever. It’s not even on our mind. So... it’s never personal.” (07:12, Patrick)
  Stephanie adds: “...to not be mean, to not throw barbs, to not end a conversation. Nobody storms out the door.” (08:00)

• Moments of Humor & Vulnerability:
  Stephanie jokes, “I try to [storm out] sometimes, but then I just say, I’m just going to the bathroom. Then I always come back.” (08:18)

• Disagreements as Opportunities for Breakthroughs:
  “Sometimes those arguments, those disagreements, if you will, actually lead us to our own little personal breakthroughs... That is what it takes sometimes to see the other side of the conversation and to shift how you view the world.” (09:23, Patrick)

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2. Supporting Each Other Professionally: Different Strengths, Shared Goals

Timestamps: 10:25–15:47

• Complementary Skills and Mutual Backing:
  Patrick: “I fill a lot of gaps for you. You look after me differently than I look after you... You’re far more creative... I support you in the background because of my tech or marketing skills.” (10:25)

• Division of Labor & Respect for Differences:
  Both recognize their unique approaches: Patrick dislikes minutiae ("It melts me down." 12:11), while Stephanie values details ("I wrap things around the minutiae because I’m trying to create the experience I want." 13:05).

• Creating Space for Each Other to Thrive:
  Stephanie: “I wanted you to show up at the hotel and make sure the key was there... so I always had the matrix in my head to make sure you felt included and supported.” (13:09)

• Avoiding ‘Cutting Each Other’s Grass’:
  Patrick: “We don’t try and cut each other’s grass... I’ll be more inclined to offer guidance... but I don’t try and make you wrong or tell you to do it a different way.” (14:15)
  Stephanie: “Or an invitation. I think that’s an invitation. Sometime I know... I’ve learned to trust you and trust your gut...” (14:53)

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3. Words of Wisdom for Working Together

Timestamps: 15:47–18:26

• Top Takeaways:

  • “Don’t get in each other’s kitchen without an invitation.” (16:06, Patrick)
  • “Be curious.” (16:16, Stephanie)
  • “Don’t give advice that isn’t requested—or if you do, do it... mindfully.” (16:07, Patrick)

• Navigating Different Work Styles:
  Stephanie on their potential new projects:
  “That would be more of a shift in working together that makes me a little bit nervous because we do operate differently... How I get ready is very different. How you process is different.” (17:08)

• Learning Not to Take Things Personally:
  “I’ve learned to kind of back off and know that when you get a certain face on... I know you’re just processing. It’s not about me. I don’t take it personally anymore.” (17:33)

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4. Pet Peeves & Light-Hearted Grievances

Timestamps: 18:26–22:30

• Packing Patterns:
  Patrick (on Stephanie): “You have this interesting pattern... every single time... you’re still stuffing stuff into the outside pocket... How is that even possible?” (19:10)

• Interrupting Flow:
  Patrick: “You don’t like your flow interrupted... but you seem to do it almost on purpose...” (20:17)

• Phone Habits:
  Stephanie: “The first thing is your phone... If I’m in the middle of a story... and you look at your phone, it just shuts me down.” (20:54)

• 'Curtain Abrupt':
  Stephanie: “What drives me nuts... is that you don’t know when Curtain Abrupt shows up. And because I haven’t seen Curtain Abrupt for so long, when it shows up, it throws me off. So it. It hurt. It hurts my feelings.” (22:05)

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5. Taboo Topics & Sharing Opinions

Timestamps: 22:44–30:07

• Walking a Fine Line:
  Patrick: “We don’t consider ourselves experts in many things... our perception is driven by our perspective... But we go out of our way to find a different perspective.” (22:54)

• Avoiding Division & Polarization:
  Stephanie: “I’m not willing to talk about division... that forces [listeners] to choose. I would rather break apart and unpack both sides... and then make decisions that are best for their family.” (27:04)

• Grounding in Values and What Matters:
  Stephanie draws from her Olympic coaching:
  “There’s always going to be politics, there’s always going to be drama. But what’s important now?... How do we get people grounded in themselves, their values, what matters to them?” (30:07)

• Focus on Controllables:
  Patrick: “What can you control? What can’t you control? Put your plan together, execute on your plan. That’s it.” (27:57)

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6. Podcast Favorites & Inspirations

Timestamps: 31:18–35:53

• Personal Favorite Episodes:
  Stephanie: “For me, it’s always when... we did ras, Reticular Activating System... cognitive bias, cognitive distortion... That’s what really lights me up.” (31:39)

  Patrick: “We’ve done some great work around identity, around resilience... but nothing that stands out for me.” (32:07)

• Podcasts They Listen To:

  • Stephanie: Jasmine Lane (“I like her as Canadian, I like her slant, I like her vulnerability.” 33:02), Diary of a CEO, Dark Horse Podcast
  • Patrick: Kitco News (“He does a great job as an interviewer of business type topics.” 34:43), Looney Hour, Steve Sretsky, and other economic/business-focused podcasts

• On Monetization and Influence:
  Stephanie: “There’s a formula I’m starting to recognize with certain people from a sales standpoint, which is not a bad thing... I wish we could monetize a little bit more than we do...” (35:22)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “We don’t need to be as right as we used to have to be.”
  – Patrick (06:41)

• “Nobody storms out the door. I try to sometimes, but then I just say, I’m just going to the bathroom.”
  – Stephanie (08:18)

• “Sometimes those disagreements actually lead us to our own little personal breakthroughs... That is what it takes to see the other side.”
  – Patrick (09:23)

• “Don’t get in each other’s kitchen without an invitation.”
  – Patrick (16:06)

• “It’s like, receive information, let it filter through your value system, and then make decisions that are best for your family.”
  – Stephanie (27:35)

• “What can you control? What can’t you control? Put your plan together, execute on your plan. That’s it.”
  – Patrick (27:57)

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Final Words & Listener Appreciation

Timestamps: 35:53–36:48

• The hosts reflect on the value of listener questions, their gratitude for engagement, and the ongoing effort to create a space for honest, transformative conversation.

Stephanie: “It really made me think and take pause and go, you know, we are actually making a difference on some level, even though we don’t know what we’re doing half the time.” (36:06)

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Summary

This episode offers a transparent look into the evolving art of disagreeing without disconnecting, both in marriage and business collaboration. Patrick and Stephanie model self-awareness, mutual respect, humor, and the willingness to see the world from the other's perspective—empowering listeners with tools to turn differences into growth, not resentment. Their answers to listener questions reveal that growth in relationships is a matter of patient adaptation, checking ego, focusing on values, and above all, never losing curiosity about each other.

Transcript

[Hunter]

Foreign.

[Patrick]

Welcome to this episode of the Everyday Millionaire Mindset Matters podcast, where I'm joined by my wife, Olympic mental performance coach Stephanie Hanlon.

[Hunter]

Francie.

[Patrick]

In these episodes, Stephanie and I have a conversation about the different aspects of what we refer to as Mindset Matters because we believe that for those who are awake, we are living in and through the most impactful time in history. Your view of the world is the filter for how you will experience the evolution and changing dynamics of it. Our intention is to provide you with ideas, nutritious food for thought, and some tools that you can use to help you in being your greatest self and living your best life.

[Hunter]

Listen in.

[Patrick]

Enjoy,

[Hunter]

Stephanie. Here we are. Mindset Matters.

[Stephanie]

Hey, hon.

[Hunter]

Here we go. So it said that most relationships don't break down because people are different. They break down because people don't know what to do or how to handle those differences. One person moves fast. The other needs more time. One person thinks out loud and talks to themselves out loud. The other needs quiet. One person wants to talk it through. The other person wants to go away, process, and come back later. And before you know it, differences become frustrating and annoying. Suddenly, he doesn't care. She's overreacting. He's not listening. She's making this harder than it needs to be. But often, none of that is true. What's really happening is two different operating systems are trying to solve the same problem. And that's the lens for this episode that we've got going on right now. Listeners sent us questions that go right into the heart of how we work together, how we disagree, how we support each other, annoy each other, and decide what we are or aren't willing to talk about on the podcast. So this isn't just a listener Q and A. It's a conversation about partnership and the visible and invisible part, the funny and the honest stuff. Every couple and team working relation has to navigate if they want to grow without quietly or not so quietly building resentment. So that's the context for this show. And that all stemmed from a few listeners sending in some questions recently. And so let's just start working through these questions.

[Stephanie]

Yeah, well, when I read them, I actually thought they were going to be more about the podcast or suggestions for topics or what people wanted to unpack.

[Hunter]

I don't know what your expectation was. Why would they be about the podcast? What would. What about it?

[Stephanie]

Well, I don't think they're all that interesting. And then all of a sudden, there are all these, like, really cool, like, questions that make me nervous. Right.

[Hunter]

Okay.

[Stephanie]

I don't know where you're going to take it.

[Hunter]

Okay. I don't know either. We're just going to answer the questions. So what's your go to strategy when you know you're about to disagree with each other? Okay. What's your strategy when you're about to disagree with me?

[Stephanie]

I just disagree. I don't have a strategy. I don't. I honestly don't know. And I, I just. Over the years, I mean, think about it. Summer 2026 is going to be our 30th wedding anniversary. And I think we've disagreed just as much as we. We have agreed, but there's a context for it. And I think getting married a little bit older in life and having some values and being grounded a little bit in my. More in who I knew who I was when we got married. And I just didn't know that being married was going to challenge me to the point where, you know, I really had to look in the mirror a lot and discover my blind spots a lot. So from a strategy standpoint, I don't really think I have one. I just know that you have to have a strategy.

[Hunter]

No, think about it. So slow down. Okay, I'll give you. I have a strategy. I have a strategy.

[Stephanie]

Okay, go. You tell me.

[Hunter]

Well, because I know you. So, yes, we've been married 30 years. We've been together 35, by the way. And so what I've learned over the years is I make. It's taken a while and I'm not necessarily good at it, but my strategy is really, you know, I look at it and go, is it worth the argument? Why do I need to debate it? Sometimes I just don't bite. I will say nothing. I'll go away, I'll think about it, and I'll come back and circle back to that conversation later. That, for me, is kind of what I've evolved to now. That's been a process, and I think I've matured into that process. It's kind of like, what's the hill you want to die on? I look at stuff and I say, does it really matter? Will it matter tomorrow? Will it matter later today? So there's lots of times I just don't say anything. I move on. Nothing changes. Whatever you had on your mind goes away. And so that's, that's how I look at it, you know, so that, that, that is a little bit strategic. And then I've also learned that if I disagree, it's better for me to position it where I hear you. Then I try and weave that in. And sometimes I'm good at that, sometimes I'm not. If you piss me off, I'm not good at it. I'm more reactive in those situations. But, yeah, that's kind of me.

[Stephanie]

Yeah, I get that. I think for me, it takes me a long time to express what's going on for me. And as much as I. I am a. A heart person, I'm also intellectually, I process things and I'm afraid to say the wrong things and. Because I also know what. What kind of pushes your buttons and what pisses you off and. And I'm not as hyper aware of my blind spots as I. As I even used to be. You know, I think the more that I. I don't know if it's, you know, just maturity or. Or just. I just don't give a shit as much to be right. So when we do argue or when we. I can feel that we're going to have to enter a courageous conversation or if I'm feeling insecure or uncertain, there's sometimes I just. I hesitate. So I don't know if that's a strategy, but I'll. I'll think it through. And then sometimes when I do get the courage to say things, there's. There's times where it doesn't land for you, and I don't feel heard sometimes. So I. I also kind of turtle. I go into myself and I try to, you know, try to find where I'm responsible. So. But I do. I'm not a right fighter, but I do want to be heard.

[Hunter]

Yeah, I think that's probably the both of us have learned not to be right fighters. We don't. We. We don't need to be as right as we used to have to be.

[Stephanie]

So.

[Hunter]

Yeah, I don't know if that's helpful. But, you know, let's put it this way. We. We have disagreements and. But they're not big disagreements. We don't have huge, big disagreements. You know, like, that's just not how we have kind of come together over the years. We're generally pretty aligned. We've had some big ones over the years that were kind of outside of us as a relationship. Decisions that I've made in business or that you've made in business and those kinds of disagreements, but nothing relationally where, you know, and we don't throw personal shots at each other ever. It's not even on our mind. So. Yeah, I don't know if that's good. I think that's a Big one, though, right? That we shouldn't step over when we disagree. We're. It's never. It's never personal.

[Stephanie]

Yeah. And I know that you're not a mean person, and I think that's what's been really helpful for me. And I. I'm not a mean person, but I know I've said mean things over the years, and it's probably because I was hurt or. Or something you had done or said that that really, like, caught me hard to the core. And I had a hard time kind of processing it. And so I think things came out sideways, even though I didn't want it to be that way. But ultimately, because we align on our values, and I think that we started out this relationship just basically, you know, at negative 10, both of us, you know, and. And had to kind of scratch our way up to at least neutral. We have a. I think a mutual respect for each other. So from a strategy standpoint, I think the biggest thing is to. To not be mean, to not throw barbs, to not end a conversation. Nobody storms out the door. I try to sometimes, but then I just say, I'm just going to the bathroom. Then I always come back.

[Hunter]

I think there's a couple things. Right. So, you know, 30 years later. So I don't know if this is a really great question that we're. We're answering it well, but over. The point is, is that it's been evolution over 30 years. We've gotten really good at it, and we've certainly gotten very, very good at it, let's say, over the past 10 years. But it's an evolution. And again, we don't think that disagreements are a bad thing. We don't think arguments are a bad thing, you know, especially when it's not personal. And sometimes those arguments, those disagreements, if you will, actually lead us to our own personal, little personal breakthroughs, our own revelations, if you will, because you've pushed back or I pushed back. And that is what it takes sometimes to see the other side of the equation, the other side of the conversation, and to shift how you view the world. So I think we've gotten really good at that part of it. Knowing that.

[Stephanie]

Sorry to interrupt. Go ahead.

[Hunter]

No, that's it. Just knowing that it is an evolution and that we both have each other's best interests in mind. So if we just often slow down long enough, like, you can really piss me off or I'm going to say irritate me, like last night, you were irritating me. But then as I just breathe through it, and realize that you weren't doing it to annoy me. You were just doing it to look after me. I wasn't in the mood to be looked after and. But then by the time you persisted, I was good with it. But that's part of it. What was I doing?

[Stephanie]

What was it about?

[Hunter]

Never mind.

[Stephanie]

It's about the footbath.

[Hunter]

No, no, no. It just. Okay, that's enough. See, now you're starting to annoy me. Okay, move on to the next question. Are we finished with that one? I think that's about the best we can do on that one.

[Stephanie]

Sorry, sorry, person who asked that question.

[Hunter]

Okay. How do you support each other when it seems you're quite different in what you do in your businesses? That's a good question. I don't know if we have a solid answer for that. All I know is that we have. I was going to say we have some complementary skill sets, but I don't know if that's really it. I fill a lot of gaps for you. You look after me differently than I look after you. You create space for me and just how you look after me or look after the house. Look at, you know, the, you know, you're amazing cook and you're making, you know, you do all those things that a wife does, but any of us haven't been that way either. Again, this is an evolution. And so my. My kind of. My what? From a business point of view, I support you a lot in the background because of my tech skills or my marketing skills or whatever other skills I have in the operations of a business. You're far more creative and than you are operational. You've got a good operational team. But sometimes you can't rely on your team to get to what you got to get to around business. So we support each other that way. I create space or we create space for each other to do what we do in our businesses. You travel a lot. I have in the past traveled a lot. So we were logistic nightmares. And that's one of your skills. You're really good when it comes to logistics and weaving through flights and hotels. And you're going here and I'm going there and, you know, we got to look after dogs and an acreage and all the things that we got to do. You're really good at that, whereas I'm not. I'm probably. I can do it, but it's. It's just.

[Stephanie]

Yeah, you call it minutiae. Like, you don't like minutia. Anything that kind of takes you off

[Hunter]

what it's like bureaucracy. It melts me down.

[Stephanie]

But it's. Minutia is not, you know, something that I doesn't. It doesn't shut me down. I think labeling it minutia, when it's about detail and about taking care of the experience and how we're going to show up in, like, how I wanted you to show up in Prague, for example, I wanted you to show up at the hotel and make sure the key was there and, And I was already at the championships and knowing, you know, so I always had the matrix in my head to make sure that you felt included and supported and wanted there and excited to be there. So, so I, I wrap things around the minutia because what I'm trying to do is create the experience I want. You know, sometimes when we get into our little. Maybe our disagreements or whatever, it's. A lot of it is. Because how we approach things is so differently. I'm trying to create a feeling. I know I don't ever go, you know, what do you want your life to look like or be or whatever? It's like, I want our life to feel a certain way, and I want it to feel grounded and I want it to feel organized and I want it to feel fun, and I wanted to feel abundant. So I, I like, I wrap how I want it to feel when I'm looking after you or when I'm looking after us in the household. And I don't know, you know, maybe early on, you know, I was so laser focused on building a business and trying to scale and get my name off the power skating and try to do something bigger and, you know, bolder and bring companies together. And, you know, I was trying to do that and almost felt like it activated my masculine side way too much so that we were actually kind of like bros, you know, like we're buddies in that. And now that I really see that, that's not where my skill set is. So where I think I feel the gaps is in the, the nurturing, the nuances, the, the details, the, you know, noticing that, you know, things are out of alignment or maybe you're. You're a little. Taking on a little bit too much or whatever. So, yeah, I think the other thing

[Hunter]

is, is around that, is that we don't try and cut each other's grass. So if I see your, you know, if I, if I'm listening or if I happen to hear what's going on for you and your business side of things, I will be more inclined to offer my guidance in Terms of questions and suggestions and thought processes. You know, that's. But I don't try and make you wrong or tell you that you should have done it a different way. And. And you're that way with me. So that. That part of it is. Is really, you know, again, we don't get into each other's kind of wheelhouse unless it's intentional with a thought process behind it and.

[Stephanie]

Or an invitation. I think that's an invitation. An invitation. Some. I know when I used to get. Try to get, you know, get in your kitchen a little bit when in business, thinking that I was, you know, had more information or my intuition was. Was telling me something, I've, over the years, learned to really just trust you and trust your gut and trust the process that you go through. Do I like it all the time? No. No. Because to me, I think that you step over certain things that I would. I would find valuable, like the. The human connection or the. The minutia, you know, like that. I think that people would feel a certain way if you did this. But I've learned to not do that, because when I look at your results and I look at, you know, oh, my gosh, the last couple of everyday millionaire podcast guests, I mean, honestly, you are getting some super unbelievable guests.

[Hunter]

I know, right?

[Stephanie]

You know, I. I don't have anything to do with that.

[Hunter]

Yeah, I'm getting some great, great guests, that's for sure. Okay, what would be your top two or three words of wisdom when it comes to working together?

[Stephanie]

Two or three?

[Hunter]

I think we shared some of it already.

[Stephanie]

Words of wisdom.

[Hunter]

Yeah. Thought process. We shared some of it already. Don't get in each other's kitchen without an invitation.

[Stephanie]

Yeah.

[Hunter]

Be curious. Don't give advice that isn't requested. Or if you do do it in a. In a.

[Stephanie]

Be curious.

[Hunter]

Well, sometimes I like to invite myself into your wheelhouse, but I do it. I. I'm good at it.

[Stephanie]

I'm good at you getting better with your languaging. You say things like, I invite you to consider, you know, and you say. You say certain things that don't. Don't piss me off. But I think the other thing is that we don't actually work together. And I think as we're getting. As we're getting closer to doing and creating something around Mind Shui and bringing the podcast together, and we've got this beautiful little studio that I'm super excited to go play in to potentially start that, and that would be more of a shift in working together that makes me a Little bit nervous because we do operate differently. Like, my timelines are so different than yours. How I get ready is very different. How you process is different. And I've learned to kind of back off and know that when you get a certain face on and you're. I call it Mr. Grumpy Pants or whatever, I know that it's. You're just processing. It's not about me. I don't take it personally anymore. And I just know that what you're going to, you know, present or what you're working on is going to be brilliant. So. But before I used to take it personally, I used to feel like you're not. You're not including me or I'm being rejected or whatever. And that insecurity or that ego side of me that needs to be acknowledged or needs to be, I don't know, included would get really hurt. And now I just go, well, no, it's just how he processes.

[Hunter]

Yeah. I think there's a. There's a part of it, you know, back to doing the studio and all of that. I. We've talked about it many times, and maybe there's a listener or two out there wondering when we're going to do that and really get our YouTube channel fired up. Maybe somebody's wondering about that. I think it. I don't know if. I don't know if it'll work. I don't know if we can work together that way.

[Stephanie]

Yeah, I don't know either. So we're just so different in that regard. And I just.

[Hunter]

Yeah.

[Stephanie]

And you always look so good all the time, and it takes me hours to get my lipstick on, you know, because I just.

[Hunter]

That's a guy thing. That's a guy.

[Stephanie]

And if I didn't feel so judged physically, you know, I probably. It wouldn't be such a big deal.

[Hunter]

Oh, I think you're beautiful. So I don't care what anybody else thinks. Okay, let's move on. What drives you nuts about each other?

[Stephanie]

Let's move. No, moving on.

[Hunter]

What drives you nuts? You drive me nuts.

[Stephanie]

I know. What drives me nuts about you.

[Hunter]

Oh, I got a list of things that drive me nuts.

[Stephanie]

Yeah? Tell me. You start.

[Hunter]

Okay. Well, you got really funny patterns because you travel and, of course, suitcases. Right. And that's always the debate. I carry on all the time. You carry on rarely, unless you're just going overnight somewhere. And even that can be challenging. So that's not. That's. That drives me a little nuts.

[Stephanie]

Shoes and hair products.

[Hunter]

You have. I get it. So you have this interesting pattern that is kind of funny but annoying.

[Stephanie]

Here we go.

[Hunter]

So we go through all these. We go through all these packing and bringing, you know, suitcases down, and there's like, they're heavy, and I'm wheeling them around, and every single time, as I'm hauling luggage, ready to put it in the back of an Uber or put in the back of our car, whatever, you're still stuffing stuff into the outside pocket of the suitcase. And I go, how is that breaking possible? I know, right?

[Stephanie]

Well, I can't. You know, sometimes when I get to the rink or the arena, I just know I'm going to need something, and I just don't know what it's going to be.

[Hunter]

Yeah, whatever. So that drives me nuts. That's probably what stands out the most. What else? I don't know. You don't drive me too nuts most of the time. Oh. The other thing that you do is you don't like your flow interrupted. And so I go out of my way not to break your flow. You seem to do it almost on purpose, and I know you don't, but it's like when you got something going on, I can be in the middle of whatever, short of it being a podcast. If I'm just working on my desk in my office, you have no problem coming in and presenting me with whatever issue you got going on that needs to be dealt with. And you want it dealt with now?

[Stephanie]

Yeah. Especially if it's like opening the pickle jar or something. That's really important.

[Hunter]

Yeah, well, if it was that simple, it wouldn't be so bad. But it's often not that simple at all.

[Stephanie]

But you're right there. You're in my line of sight and work or travel. I won't see you.

[Hunter]

Those. Those are things that drive me nuts. What. What drives. What drives you nuts about me?

[Patrick]

Probably nothing.

[Hunter]

I'm pretty great husband.

[Stephanie]

You're pretty perfect. Well, let me get my list out.

[Hunter]

Yeah, exactly.

[Stephanie]

The first thing is. Is your phone. I think. I think it's the. You know, and I know that, you know, if you come in the house and we're doing something, but you're on your phone and texting, and I know it's usually important, but if I'm in the middle of a, you know, some. A story that's really important, like about my recipes or the dogs or something, and you. You look at your phone, it just shuts me down. And I. I don't know what it is. It's a little bit like our cats.

[Hunter]

No, it's it's totally good. I totally got to break that. I. It's not a good thing. I don't do that habit in general public. I do it with you. I know.

[Stephanie]

And I don't know why. So that's one thing. Oh, I know. I'm. And this is. I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but it's sometimes when, if the dogs are bothering you or Ranger's trying to crawl on your lap or something, you go, Rango. Or you use grumpy man voice and

[Hunter]

it just is like, oh, you and your pets.

[Stephanie]

He's so sensitive.

[Hunter]

Oh, he's so sensitive. He's 115 pound Bernese mound dog that thinks he's a lap dog. And sometimes, as much as I love Rango, sometimes it's not the right time that he wants to sneak up on me. He thinks I don't notice.

[Stephanie]

It's your tone. And I think that was. You used to be called Curtain abruptly. Remember back in the day?

[Hunter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Stephanie]

And I think there's still a blind spot around that. And that would be something that. That would. That drives me nuts, is that you don't know when Curtain abrupt shows up. And because I haven't seen Curtain abrupt for so long, when it shows up, it throws me off. So it. It hurt. It hurts my feelings. So I have to really climb on top of that.

[Hunter]

A lot. J.

[Stephanie]

Not a lot. It doesn't happen a lot, but mostly when with Rango.

[Hunter]

Okay, whatever. At least it doesn't show up with your luggage, which it should. Okay. Is there a topic for the pod that you are not willing to chat about?

[Stephanie]

Oh, that's an interesting question. I don't know if I paid attention to that question. Is there a topic for the pod that you are not willing to chat about? Is there one for you, Hunter?

[Hunter]

Not really. I think we have to walk a line. Right. Because I'm pretty data driven and sometimes I don't think my opinion matters, although I share it often. So I just think there's a line that we want to walk. We don't consider ourselves experts in many things and a lot of things. And we certainly have some skills and talents when it comes to research and connecting dots and seeing the world the way we see it. But the way we see the world is our perspective. And, you know, our. Our perception is driven by our perspective of the world. But we go out of our way to always try and find a different perspective. It's. You know, I force myself to listen to politicians that I don't like, or, and I don't like their politics. And so it's to give me another side of, you know, so I don't go down the confirmation bias road. And even now, like, I've, it's interesting, I've quit listening to a lot of certain YouTube podcasts because I'm, as you know, I listen to a lot of podcasts, especially when I'm out and about out in the yard doing stuff and all those things. And I like doing that as part of my research. My point is, since I've changed it up, my algorithms have changed. So I'm getting a whole new, like literally a whole new feed of stuff. So the understanding YouTube a little bit more now, having our rain channel, etc, you start to understand is that algorithms, their job is to match you with what your interests are. That's what they're always trying to do, is match you. So when I quit following the people I was following or not listening to them as much, it's now matching me with others. And so some of them I don't like, but I'm going, oh, but this might be interesting to listen to their point of view. So that's all to say that what I'm not willing to chat about is those fine lines. I certainly have expertise when it comes to economic research and all those things, and I'm very confident in that take. But there's just other things that I, there's no point. My opinion doesn't matter.

[Stephanie]

Well, I think it kind of does, you know, because there are people that look to you for leadership and, and, and, and maybe strategies moving forward, especially in the, in the realm of real estate, I mean, in British Columbia. Like it. What a show out here. So who is leading kind of hell and who is helping investors? I'm vocal about that, but it's in the strategies. Okay. Oh, okay. So there's no strategy right now because everything is so up in the air. And so how do we create a safe place for people to, to be afraid and to, and to have those conversations? For me, what I'm not willing, what is it I'm not willing to talk about? What are they not willing to talk about? I, I am more so than you willing to talk about, you know, my tinfoil hat and the conspiracy theories and non conspiracy theories because I look at all the, all the dimensions of things and to your point, I listen to, you know, the other side. I listen to and, and you taught me that. Actually you, I, I asked you why do you listen to, you know, the other side or the Liberals and the Democrats. And you said, I need to know what a. The majority or a lot of the people are. Are listening to and what they're thinking so that we can be logical and practical and pragmatic in our conversations so that we're not. So one leaning one way or one leaning the other. Because there's a lot out there that are very hard right and very hard left. I mean, I have a couple favorite podcasts who, you know, Jasmine Lane, for example, I love her, and I think she has gone through a lot in her life to get to the point where someone like that needs to have an opinion, put her stake in the ground so that she can then, you know, move things forward and listening to how she balances things. But I know the people on the other side of the aisle. I don't. I don't know if she's considered right or left or whatever. I think more right. But the other people on the other side of the aisle would listen to her and. And put their stake in the ground and be very divided, I think, for us, for me.

[Hunter]

So what are you not willing to talk about?

[Stephanie]

I'm not willing to talk about division and, like, what divides people in a way that forces them to choose. I would rather break apart and unpack both sides and go, okay, you choose you. If you're listening to us or about mindset, it's about elevating your mindset, not your decisions around politics or your decisions around whatever virus is coming down the pipe or whatever. Like, that's not our job. Like, for me, I want people to. It's like, receive information, let it filter through their values system, and then make decisions that are best for their family. I'm not willing to go and say this is right or wrong because I don't know. I don't know what's right and wrong for anybody. I don't even know what's right or wrong for me sometimes.

[Hunter]

Well, I've come to a place where I've done all of that over the years, and I've just come to a place where at this point, it's like, what can you control? What can't you control? Put your plan together, execute on your plan. That's it. So what am I not worried about?

[Stephanie]

Don't stick your head in the sand. Like, that's. Yeah, yeah, of course, of course.

[Hunter]

Put a plan together for your family.

[Stephanie]

For your family. Take care of yourself. If you're, you know, make sure you've looked at things, diversify those. I guess what I'm not willing to do is. Is go to one side or the other and become polarized, because I do see both sides. What I don't like is the disillusionment of our current government and. And knowing that we're in a globalist economy and not. There's no.

[Hunter]

Yeah,

[Stephanie]

sorry.

[Hunter]

These are just heady times. What I want to do is just kind of. We got to get back to the question, what are we not willing to talk about? And what I think at the end of the day. Yeah, extremes. And the other side of it, there's so much going on in the world. Like, so much. And global macro and wars and oil and people blowing up in the US And Canada and fighting and China. Like, it's so much going on. There's so much uncertainty that people are, I think, just really afraid. They live in a wild fear and overwhelmed and with decisions that need to be made. And, you know, do I have a job or I don't have a job is, you know, what is, you know, what, Can I ever afford a house? Cost of living is going high. Will I have enough money? There's just so much going on, so much uncertainty. So I think there's. If nothing else, what I'm. We're willing to talk about what we're willing to talk about, which is how do we stay grounded in spite of what's going on. What I'm not willing to talk about, I think at this point is going off on, you know, I wouldn't be willing to do a monologue on my political views or how I see the. The world. That's not. That's not the space that I play in. I'd rather answer questions to people saying, you know, I'm dealing with this. How do I deal with it? Then unpack that.

[Stephanie]

That's so true. And I think that's. If I pull anything from the Olympic journey and the athletes that I work with is that there's always going to be politics, there's always going to be drama. But what's important now? Like, what's your win? Like, how do we get people grounded in themselves and their values and their. What matters to them? And I think if we became the people that were so polarized one way or another, then, yes, we'd have way more views because we have like four people now, I think, on YouTube. But ultimately that are drawn to us will find a space where they get to figure out their stuff. Do you know what I mean?

[Hunter]

Yeah. And that's the thing. And within an audio podcast, we love the questions when they show up, they don't show up as often. So on our Rain YouTube channel that JG and I do on Rain Edge YouTube channel, we get tons of comments and questions and, you know, so we can interact differently. An audio podcast like we've got here is far, far more difficult. So I always appreciate the effort that it takes for somebody to send you questions. That's great. It seems like there's more you can get into, but you seem to hold back your opinion. Is there a reason for that? I think we just explained that.

[Stephanie]

Yeah.

[Hunter]

Yeah. And you have a favorite talk topic you've done so far? I don't think I have a favorite. Nothing that stands out for me.

[Stephanie]

I don't think I have a favorite. Like, we're got to be into the 250 now, right? Like, there's got to be. I don't know what number we're.

[Hunter]

I want to say it's five years next month. Wow.

[Stephanie]

Good for us. If I have to say favorite topic, for me, it's always when it comes down to when I think about the. When we did ras, Reticular Activating System. Cognitive bias, cognitive distortion. You know, we were, for me, in the throes of waking up to what's happening in the real. In the. In the world. I think when we talk about those kinds of things, that's what really lights me up.

[Hunter]

Yeah, I don't have one. I think we did some great. We've done some great work around identity. We've done some great work around resilience. Reticular Activating System was a good one. I think mine, SHUI and operating system. I don't know. We've just done so many and some really great ones, but nothing that stands out for me. I'm never a good judge of.

[Stephanie]

Yeah, you don't even listen to them, do you?

[Hunter]

Not very often. Not very often. I do sometimes, but no, not very often.

[Stephanie]

I learned a lot when I listen back, because sometimes you'll send me the Ross the Raw audio and I'll listen to it while I'm cooking dinner or whatever, and I go, oh, that was actually pretty smart. Oh, that's interesting. I learned a lot from myself.

[Hunter]

I know. That's how you roll. Okay, so do you have a favorite podcast that you listen to? You just said Jasmine Lane?

[Stephanie]

Yep. Yeah. I like her as Canadian. I like her slant on things. I like her vulnerability. That's why. That's. That's one I was really liking. Diary of a CEO for a long time. Long form.

[Hunter]

Yep. He's so good. Diary of CEO is great. Yeah, yeah, I'll go to him.

[Stephanie]

Yeah. I would say that the reason why he digs into things and he asks questions similar to you with Everyday Millionaire. I think you should get him on your podcast. He's. He's young and he's curious. I think that's why I like him. And yeah, and the last one you're going to last. You're going to laugh at this one. I don't know if you know this one. This is the Dark Horse podcast with.

[Hunter]

Yeah, don't know that one.

[Stephanie]

They're, they're by human biologists. They're like so smart. Brett Weinstein and his, his wife Heather Hein, I think her name is.

[Hunter]

Yeah, yeah. I don't do I have a favorite go to. Mine is always around, you know, understanding economic stuff. So. And I pay attention a lot to what's going on in the U. S Because of course we're at the effect of that, you know, I'll, I'll, I listen to. I, I like Kitco News. Jeremy, don't remember his last name is. Does a great job. He's very, very good as an interviewer of business type topics. So I'm a fan from a gold and silver point of view because I study that every so often. I like to listen to Lynette Zhang. I've learned a lot from her. I've had her on the podcast so over the years. But I don't. These aren't go to's a lot but you know, Kitko would be one that I go to. He does a great job. And David Lynn is another guy. I just like this Linda or Lynn. David Lynn formerly. So they're business guys. So I like listening.

[Stephanie]

Whatever happened to Daniela Camboni?

[Hunter]

She's there too. And I listen to Daniela Camboni.

[Stephanie]

She's so good.

[Hunter]

Those are all interviews of business guys that are in the commodities world or economic world. So I follow that kind of narrative a lot. I pay attention to that kind of stuff. Is there any Canadian podcasts? I listen to Steve Sretsky, Looney Hour. Listen to the boys. I've had Richard and Steve on my show a couple of times and on our stage with Rain. So yeah, I'm fans of those guys. They do a good job, they're fun, they're funny but you know, they're, they're kind of speak the same language.

[Stephanie]

So if I look outside of that, I started listening to some personal development stuff. I, I don't mind Mel Robbins. I'm finding her a little bit. I don't like leaning to the marketing. Yeah. There's just a formula there that I'm starting to recognize with certain, certain people from a sales standpoint, which is not a bad thing. Don't get me wrong. I mean, I wish we could monetize a little bit more than we do, but other than that, I think I do like Merck's on the loose, but other than that, that's good.

[Hunter]

That's it. That's a wrap. So I don't know if we did a good job of that. I hope that we answered those questions and that there was some value in it for everybody. So that's all I got. Stephanie.

[Stephanie]

Well, I'm thinking before I say that was fun. I really like the fact that people took the time, whether they email me, Stephanie Canada, or ceoringcanada.com to ask questions and be specific. I really appreciate it because it really has forced me. Like when I got these, when I distilled these questions down today from a bunch of emails, it really made me think and take pause and go, you know, we are actually making a difference on some level, even though we don't know what we're doing half the time. But you do such a good job in setting the context and even creating parables. But this one, it really made me think. So anyway, that was fun.

[Patrick]

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