Celebrating 17 Years of Spencer & Heidi: Holidays, Parenthood, and Reflecting on Life After The Hills

Summary

The Fame Game with Heidi & Spencer

Episode: Celebrating 17 Years of Spencer & Heidi: Holidays, Parenthood, and Reflecting on Life After The Hills
Date: December 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and unfiltered episode, Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag mark their 17th wedding anniversary by reflecting on life after The Hills, the ongoing aftermath of losing their home in the Palisades Fire, parenthood challenges, new creative ventures, and the unique pressures of maintaining family traditions through adversity. Blending raw humor, pop culture updates, and candid emotion, the episode offers an inside look at how Speidi navigates love, fame, and setbacks with their signature banter and honesty.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life Amidst Chaos: Recovery from the Fire and Daily Struggles

• The couple humorously describes podcasting from the “dirt lot” that was once their home, with Spencer sitting in Heidi’s old closet and Heidi in the former sink area (02:59–03:19).
• Updates on health: Spencer recounts catching hand, foot, and mouth disease from their kids, with Heidi somehow escaping infection by meticulously disinfecting everything (“She’s spraying herself all day long, like in My Big Fat Greek Wedding with the Windex”—Spencer, 04:48).

2. Parenthood Realness

• Both kids caught hand, foot, and mouth, leading to a stressful household. Heidi shares her refusal to isolate from her sick children:

  “I’m not going to not be with my kids that have hand, foot, and mouth... I’m just gonna do the best that I can. Pray that I don’t get it, but I’m not gonna not be with them, cuddle them, tuck them in...”
  —Heidi (04:25)

• Spencer playfully laments:

  “Thank you, Riker, for spitting into my mouth.”
  —Spencer (09:06)

3. Anniversary Reflections & Relationship Growth

• Celebrating 17 years, Spencer and Heidi discuss how their relationship evolved through parenting and public scrutiny.

  “I said, oh, not really, just the last eight as parents. All the years before that, I can’t think of one challenging day...”
  —Spencer (09:24)

• Heidi delivers a moving tribute to Spencer’s growth and public perception, highlighting redemption after their “fame villain” years and the importance of redefining one’s narrative:

  “For people to appreciate all the hard work that you’re doing, it’s a big blessing... you don’t have to put up with what box people put you in. That was a phase and I am not who you say I am.”
  —Heidi (11:11)

4. Projects & Career Updates

• Heidi teases her cameo for Tana Mongeau’s campaign and prep for new music: shooting her album cover before upcoming eye surgery.

  “I am getting an upper bleph eye surgery... this is my only time of the entire year to get this done...”
  —Heidi (07:07–08:43)

• Spencer plugs his book:

  “Speaking of chapters, pre order The Guy You Love To Hate right now.”
  —Spencer (12:23)

5. The Aftermath of The Hills & Media Misrepresentation

• Heidi discusses adjusting to life post-reality TV and the emotional toll:

  “Being a parent is adjusting to life after The Hills. And that was really challenging.”
  —Heidi (09:45)

• Spencer recounts his experience being misquoted in the LA Times regarding Palisades fire coverage:

  “I learned a dangerous lesson that they can take what you say and take it out of context.”
  —Spencer (22:52–26:12)

6. Pop Culture & Fame

• Updates on Rob Dyrdek’s Ridiculousness cancellation, Dancing with the Stars finals, and Alex Earl’s “Meals with Heels” charity.
• Spencer shares his fandom for The Beast Within Me on Netflix, describing binge-watching strategies and preferences for “scary, eerie shows,” prompting humor about his hypothetical on-screen responses (17:36–18:11).

7. Family, Holidays & Grief

• Spencer and Heidi reveal the deep sadness of their first Christmas without heirloom stockings and ornaments lost in the fire, but also their effort to reframe the holidays with new traditions and a focus on faith:

  “I really want to focus on Jesus this season... as much as I loved all those things, I want to, I really want to focus on like Jesus this season and really re-bring that in for my family.”
  —Heidi (36:21)

• Plans for holiday activities: LA Zoo Lights, Nutcracker, Disney on Ice, Polar Express, making the season “holiday packed” despite losses.

8. Resilience, Self-Definition & Moving Forward

• Heidi praises her sister Holly’s sobriety journey and dedication to women’s recovery, emphasizing family pride (19:23–20:13).
• On their next steps and home location:

  “I’ve decided I’m not gonna think about it anymore. I’m just gonna see where God leads the path... I’m just going to pray for the best for the whole family and see what God’s plan is.”
  —Heidi (38:11)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Survival Tactics:

  “She had this... I think it’s hyperchlorous... spraying herself on all day long. It’s like in My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Like the Windex.”
  —Spencer (04:48)

• On Public Perception:

  “You don’t have to put up with what box people put you in in life. It’s like, no, that’s not who I am. That was a phase and I am not who you say I am.”
  —Heidi (11:48)

• On Healing and Faith:

  “I really want to focus on Jesus this season... as much as I loved all those things, I want to, I really want to focus on like Jesus this season and really re-bring that in for my family.”
  —Heidi (36:21)

• On Grief and Resilience:

  “This will be a very depressing Christmas, obviously, because it’ll be our first Christmas with none of our stockings that our families have passed down for generations. All of our ornaments... it’s horrific.”
  —Spencer (28:24)

• Classic Spencer Self-Awareness:

  “At the current rate of podcast ads, we will be rebuilding in 400 years.”
  —Spencer (38:57)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:29 – Spencer catches hand, foot, and mouth from the kids; Heidi talks about household resilience.
• 07:24 – Heidi details her cameo for Tana Mongeau, album cover prep, and plans for eyelid surgery.
• 08:43 – Reflections on their 17th wedding anniversary, impact of parenting on marriage.
• 11:11 – Heidi’s moving tribute to Spencer and the importance of self-narrative.
• 12:23 – Spencer plugs his memoir, “The Guy You Love to Hate.”
• 16:34 – Pop culture updates: Rob Dyrdek, Alex Earl, Dancing with the Stars.
• 22:52 – Spencer addresses being misquoted in the LA Times and fire response frustration.
• 28:24 – Grieving lost holiday traditions and adjusting to a new kind of Christmas.
• 36:21 – Heidi’s emphasis on faith, reframing grieving around holidays.
• 38:11 – Discussions about moving, home plans, and surrendering the future.

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Tone & Delivery

The episode is rich with Speidi’s trademark playfulness—quick banter, playful ribbing, and the occasional satirical take on celebrity culture—interwoven with moments of raw emotion and real vulnerability. Heidi’s warmth and sincerity balance Spencer’s sardonic humor, creating a compelling dynamic that’s equal parts entertaining and heartfelt.

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In Summary

This episode of The Fame Game is a testament to Spencer and Heidi’s resilience and authenticity. Through illness, loss, family chaos, and uncertainty, they continue to rewrite their own story—inviting listeners along for the ride with laughter, honesty, and hope for new beginnings. Whether offering pop culture hot takes, unfiltered family updates, or dispensing wisdom hard-won from reality TV infamy, Speidi deliver a genuinely engaging listening experience for both longtime fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

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[Heidi Montag]

Oh no. That's all.

[Spencer Pratt]

Welcome back to the Fame Game, starring global pop superstar Heidi Montag and her husband, Spencer Pratt. Thanks for joining us. It's a big day. God blessed us with no rain and only slight winds. Nothing more than we experienced on January 7th. Nothing like those imaginary hurricane winds that never existed in the Pacific Palisades. How are you doing, honey? Beautiful pink dress. Where did you get that.

[Heidi Montag]

Thank you. Yes. As we are sitting in our beautiful former home known as a dirt lot. And it's very clean here.

[Spencer Pratt]

My butt is actually sitting in your former closet, I think.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

And you are. You're, like, in the shower entry, I would say, right?

[Heidi Montag]

Maybe in a sink.

[Spencer Pratt]

Oh, you were. You're definitely in the sink.

[Heidi Montag]

Definitely in the sink.

[Spencer Pratt]

You look great in the sink.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah. So this week has been really compelling. A lot going on, a lot of different things. We've been juggling this week.

[Spencer Pratt]

I had hand foot mouth disease.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah. So the kids had hand foot mouth disease, and they spit in my face.

[Spencer Pratt]

And gave it to me. Somehow Heidi made it out unblistering.

[Heidi Montag]

Please, Jesus, please.

[Spencer Pratt]

Because this is the closest we've been together near each other in 10 days. So we had a great anniversary last night.

[Heidi Montag]

I had a lot going on. Okay. So I had a cameo in Tana Mongeau's campaign with finesse. And it's on video. So I could not get hand, foot, and mouth. I'm like, I have this in three days in. The whole house is surrounded with hand foot mouth. Gunner had hand foot mouth. Riker had hand foot mouth. And lo and behold, Spencer got hand foot mouth. I remember the exact moment. Spencer's sitting in the chair, and Riker goes like. And it goes into Spencer's mouth. He goes, I just got hand, foot, and mouth. And that was the moment. I literally can visualize it right now that he got hand, foot, and mouth. So I've been washing my hands. They're actually in so much pain because I've been using burning hot water. And I. I'm not going to not be with my kids that have hand foot mouth. I'm like, whatever. You know, I'm just gonna do the best that I can. Pray that I don't get it, but I'm not gonna not be with them, cuddle them, tuck them in, do all the things. So anyways, it was very interesting.

[Spencer Pratt]

You're not mentioning. Forget just washing your hands. She had this. I think it's hyperchlorous. I don't. I don't know what it's called, but she's spraying herself on all day long. It's like in. In the Greek Wedding. Like the Windex. I. It was like, just everything. Walls, door handle. Well, it worked. She made it out.

[Heidi Montag]

It did. So.

[Spencer Pratt]

And yeah, just so, you know, adults can get it. Everyone I talked to were like, I thought only kids can get it. So. Nope. Be careful out there.

[Heidi Montag]

Adults, actually, in all fairness, Gunner had hand foot mouth. Three times when he was younger from preschool. And this was a hundred times worse than the one that he had before. So this was like a really weird souped up version of it.

[Spencer Pratt]

But I took news is I never got it in my mouth. Okay, so that's positive.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

Thanks, God.

[Heidi Montag]

And so I took Gunner to the doctor because he needed a note to be cleared from school. And the doctor said the bumps are not contagious. So anyone out there? The actual bumps are not contagious. It is a virus. So it's virally transmitted. Transmitted. Thank you. But anyways, I had. I made it to the shoot, and it was Riker's birthday, but I was so excited to be a part of this. And it was such a fun production. They were so incredibly professional. It was such a big budget. I just said to her, I'm like, congratulations. This is such a big deal. It was raining, so I woke up early. I had the nannies at the house. I gave them the information about the hand, foot, and mouth. It was their choice to come. Thank God. Cape. So anyways, I got there. I got there in the rain. I was a few minutes late, but I ended up being right on time. And I get there, and it's this crazy production. There's like 30 extras in the background, which is also so expensive in such high budget. They have a dolly that the camera's on. Several different producers. It was a huge deal to be a part of it. So I was honored. Thank you so much, Hannah, for including me. Thank you. Finesse.

[Spencer Pratt]

Did you mention I Love New York was on set?

[Heidi Montag]

Tiffany from I Love New York was Terry Jo. Was there a lot of legends? Yes. And so I wore the shoes, and they had this outfit for me. They were like. We thought it was very, you. Cozy, comfortable, sexy. I absolutely love this outfit. And, yeah, so that was great. I also have eye surgery coming up. Oh, and my album cover. I'm shooting my album cover tomorrow before the eye surgery, but before the eye surgery. So that's another reason I'm scrambling not to get hand, foot, and mouth. I'm like, no, I have too much coming up. I have the campaign cameo, I have my album cover, and I have surgery. I cannot get hand, foot, and mouth. So I was just praying really hard. Thank you, Lord Jesus, for answering my prayers. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am getting an upper bluff eye surgery. Also, I am getting my eyelid muscle tightened because it's lost its elasticity to keep it open the same level as my other eye. And they said it's really Common and it happens to most people. So. Yeah. But anyways, this doctor only does eyes and I really love that about him. I had a friend and I saw her results and they look so unbelievably beautiful. I've had this doctor recommended by every single person I've asked who is the best and I'm really, really excited. So I'm gonna get this upper bluff, you know, just be a little refreshed and then get that muscle done. So yeah, that's going to be a lot that I'm committing the family to. But this is the only time of year because you can't be photographed for like four weeks and really you're not fully healed for like two or three months. So this is my only time of the entire year to get this done. So I crammed in the podcast, crammed in my, changed everything for my album cover that's going to be coming out and yeah, just trying to get it all done before the eye surgery before Christmas. Anyways, yeah, my voice still hurts.

[Spencer Pratt]

That's all. Amazing. The bigger news is we celebrated our 17 year wedding anniversary last night. It was so romantic. We social distanced the entire evening, all the way till I'm not even allowed to go near her side of the bed. So that was.

[Heidi Montag]

I washed the sheets.

[Spencer Pratt]

So it's been really a memorable, memorable anniversary. I won't forget this one. Thank you, Riker, for spitting into my mouth.

[Heidi Montag]

Do you want to say some of your favorite memories over the past 17 years? You want to give me a love letter? You want to say something?

[Spencer Pratt]

Well, I thought it was funny last night that Heidi was talking about how it's really been we made it through a lot of challenging years. And I said, oh, not really, just the last eight as parents, all the years before that, I can't think of one challenging day that we're just so.

[Heidi Montag]

Fun with you and yeah, there was a lot of.

[Spencer Pratt]

Compared to parenting. No, no, no.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah. Being a parent is adjusting to life after the hills. And that was, that was really challenging.

[Spencer Pratt]

Well, I mean, it was. I had pie.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah, but you weren't.

[Spencer Pratt]

I mean, I wasn't going through it.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

But I still got to just sit around eating pie. It's not that horrible. Chocolate fudge brownie, chocolate walnut.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah, yeah. You know, I was thinking about you last night as I always do.

[Spencer Pratt]

Oh, you're so lovely. What did you think about?

[Heidi Montag]

And I had to call Spencer and tell him this woman came up to Spencer at the hotel and that we were eating at and she looked at him with the most loving, kind, grateful, affectionate. Face it, like she was your mom or something. She came up and gave Spencer the biggest hug and genuinely was so happy to see you and so thankful for everything you're doing. And she came up and gave Spencer the biggest hug and just said thank you so much for everything you're doing. And there are a lot of people that do that to him on a daily basis who come up and give him that. And it was just really amazing to see the journey that you've been on in your life and how misunderstood you were and playing into this role that really, you know, was just a funny. Like when we filmed so many things, it was funny. Cause it was just like so silly and out there and how they translated it with music and editing and other people, it became, you know, it's frankenbiting and it's whole own thing and all that stuff. But to have that much of a change from people's public perception of you is so vindicating and so nice. And for people to appreciate all the hard work that you're doing, it's just. It's a big blessing that that is the legacy that you are on and that you are leaving and that you deserve and that fight and that greatness. So I'm just so proud of you and I'm so thankful that our children get to see that too. And you know, some you don't have to put up with what box people put you in in life. It's like, no, that's not who I am. That was a phase and I am not who you say I am. And I just think that's such a big message in this world especially everybody has. Or a lot of people have social media and haters and people that comment and everyone feels like they know everyone and this. Anyways, I think that's such a good lesson in life that you can have another chapter.

[Spencer Pratt]

And speaking of chapters, pre order the guy you love to hate right now.

[Heidi Montag]

Loved, loved, loved.

[Spencer Pratt]

Past tense. Because now I'm getting hugs. Yeah, getting hugs. The sequel. Obviously the guy you love. So just stay tuned. What a journey. So yeah, so thankful to be married 17 years. Best thing ever did do wish we got married sooner.

[Heidi Montag]

I love when you say that.

[Spencer Pratt]

Didn't even mess around. There's a lot of people on the Internet that are like, don't get married when you're young. Those are my favorite years being married young. So don't listen to those people. You want to get married young, you get married young. I don't know about Getting pregnant young. I've seen a few episodes of Teen mom that looks a little hectic, so I know that's not something I'm going to advise on. Speaking of MTV, Rob. Rob Diedrich just got finally canceled after 200 years of ridiculousness. And I think it's his own fault for always talking about how efficient he was and how he's the most efficient person. And so the network is hearing him like, I, He, I do 20 episodes in one day and they pay me. You know, I think he should have. I haven't talked to a major producer in Hollywood about this, and they agreed, like, yeah, maybe you don't tell everybody how easy your job is for you to make those millions of dollars, so. And Rob Derick kind of shaded me when I, when I was gracious enough to be a guest, and he was like, that's too many crystals you're wearing, bro.

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[Spencer Pratt]

Kraft Mac and Cheese is the best thing ever. It's even better than pop music. You look just as natural enjoying us at age 13 as you do 55. Kraft Mac and Cheese. Best thing ever. I didn't ask you for style tips.

[Heidi Montag]

Mr. Guy.

[Spencer Pratt]

So shucks. Shout out. Shan Chanel. Though she left before it got canceled. She's always nice when we see her in public. So big news also. Val and Alex Earl are going to the finals. Record 7 million viewers. No. Yeah, I could be wrong about that. But definitely the record ratings in seven years. Val had always said we could come to one of the shows and then. So I was gonna go a few weeks ago and he's like, there's plenty more weeks. So I text him like yesterday, like, yo, you got some extra tickets for the finals? No response yet. So, you know, I don't know how many extra tickets he gets. It seems like this is like a big event now.

[Heidi Montag]

Also, I can't get a nanny, so.

[Spencer Pratt]

I was gonna go without you.

[Heidi Montag]

Okay, well, yeah, you just have fun.

[Spencer Pratt]

But Alex Earl did invite us to her meals with heels or he incredible charity is which. That would have been so lovely if we still lived here and it was close by. But we couldn't pull off a six hour drive with nannies. But I appreciate getting invited to a very. If you see that invite, it was just like the winner of the Bachelor, Val Octopussy Guy. So very select. The meals actually look delicious.

[Heidi Montag]

Me too.

[Spencer Pratt]

I'm probably glad I wasn't there because there wouldn't have been 3,000 meals. I would be eating them all. I feel like she got some gourmet food. So that's happening. I just binge watch till 1am last night. The Beast within me on Netflix from the creators of Homeland with Claire Danes.

[Heidi Montag]

I was wondering if you watched that. I asked you.

[Spencer Pratt]

You. I hadn't and then you asked me, I said no and I was like, was it good? In fast forward with subtitles it's a little eerie.

[Heidi Montag]

Not really my type.

[Spencer Pratt]

There's a lot, a lot of these shows since they just want to make more money and spread it out. It could be like three episodes and said, I don't even know if it was 12, but I did it in about three, so it was great. If you want to watch it in.

[Heidi Montag]

High speed, I'll ask you for all the spoilers later.

[Spencer Pratt]

So that was great.

[Heidi Montag]

I don't like scary things or eerie things or disturbing things at all.

[Spencer Pratt]

I love watching scary, eerie, disturbing things because I'm always like, well, if they had a gun, it's not scary anymore. So that's the one thing that I feel like just ruins every single scammer. What if she had a gun in her purse? What if she had a gun in her fanny pack? What if she had A gun in her. Like, the bad guys are not scary when the victim isn't a victim. Speaking of guns, since Gavin Newsom banned the world's most popular firearm after bragging about loving guns on the Sean Ryan, I'm not anti gun or whatever the clown was saying. So I went to obviously purchase whatever he says not to. So I went to the gun store and the guy was like, oh, my gosh, it's you. My wife and I were just talking about how much we love you. I was like, oh, great. He's like, I was telling my wife that this is the perfect role for you in life because you, back on that show, you were always finding things out about everybody and, like, calling people out. And now you're doing it for Kara Bass and Gavin and Janice Quinones and Armando Contreras. So it was a. That hummingbird next to you, just that auto is just poetic.

[Heidi Montag]

Speaking of the show, Kristin Cavallari texted me yesterday. She's like, hey, was that drinking segment of your sister just for the show or was that real? And I was able to share with her how proud I was of my sister, who has been sober since 2011 and has a women's recovery center in Denver. So I text my sister, I'm like, hey, what's your woman's recovery call? She's like, woman's recovery. I'm like, no, what's the name of the woman's recovery? She's like, woman's recovery. I was like, okay. It felt like dumb and dumber with, like the Guess jeans. But anyways, it made me think how proud of my sister I was that she really decided to get sober, has stuck to it. Not only that, has helped other people through it, has started a whole new life with it. So Holly Montag. I. No, not. Not Montag anymore. Holly Mackey, I'm so proud of you.

[Spencer Pratt]

That sounds like a character from Always Sunny.

[Heidi Montag]

She's the same initials now. Hm. Hm. I'm like, oh, my gosh.

[Spencer Pratt]

Speaking of your name, Heidi.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

Oh, speaking of your name says Heidi Wood on the wall.

[Heidi Montag]

And yesterday, my latest album that came out a few months ago.

[Spencer Pratt]

You know, I wear a shirt often or a hat that says Heidi would all the time. And I know we're not so famous or relevant that maybe hits everyone's radar, but I just thought it was so interesting that even almost the exact art that I we used to share of Heidi Wood, this other pop star, Ke$ posted Kesha would. And I just thought it was so sweet. And it's Also so cool that after you did that song with Only Fire, who remixed two of the. Two of the songs on your album? Kesha did an Only Fire remix. And then I also thought it was so cool that Kesha just did a. A remix with Sizzy. Shout out, Sizzy. Make sure you check it out. Kesha featuring Sizzy, who wrote. Yeah. A huge part of Heidi's album.

[Heidi Montag]

I must be like her muse.

[Spencer Pratt]

I mean, I don't even think she knows. I think it's just random.

[Heidi Montag]

I don't think so because I performed. But she was so nice when you.

[Spencer Pratt]

Walked by her after your house had just burned down.

[Heidi Montag]

Right.

[Spencer Pratt]

And she didn't even say, yeah, hi.

[Heidi Montag]

She actually gave me a really nice look and I thought, wow, that person. Really?

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. But her, you know, her actual. Her dancers and her team came up after and were like, we love Heidi so much. They were really nice.

[Heidi Montag]

Maybe she was just busy because you know what, it was probably stressful. She had a lot going on. But I'm so excited that she loved Heidi Wood so much or her team or whatever that now we both have albums or songs called Heidi Wood. So maybe we should collab Heidi Woodcutter. HK Wood. It could be like.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah, sounds good. Anyways, I was just like, wow, that's.

[Heidi Montag]

I know. It's so fun to be the blueprint.

[Spencer Pratt]

We are the blueprint of podcasts in burnt out houses too. Who's gonna copy that next? Stay tuned. I'm thinking somebody in the Hollywood Hills because Gavin Newsom does not clear dead brush around the Hollywood Hills. So I'm just hate to tell anyone who's got those beautiful houses in the bird streets or where Leonardo DiCaprio lives, because your houses are all going to burn down probably 2026, 2027. So there could be coming soon, another podcast in the ruins of your house. We need to get feeders right here. So it's like action packed.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah. Like the stand ones.

[Spencer Pratt]

So that happened. I got, I don't want to say misquoted in the la. I'm going to look right to the camera. So this week, the LA Times, which, you know, I've had some back and forth issues with since our house burned down, but I always like to continue to give a journalist the benefit of the doubt and I would like to have my story told, but I learned a dangerous lesson that they can take what you say and take it out of context. Maybe accidentally, maybe just in the edit and then it looks like you're saying something that actually doesn't make sense. So the LA Times called me about the fact that I know from speaking with the battalion chief that was on the January 2nd, he was there January 1st and January 2nd, the Lockman fire. And this chief told me that there was somebody from the state, a woman, state representative, that told this chief they couldn't have a dozer when the fire, when they were trying to put out the fire. So the LA Times takes that and they put it. And it makes it seem like I'm talking about the dozer for the mop up. So I have all these people on Twitter, like, oh, and then they get an ex fire chief, somebody to be like, he's wrong about me. They would never use a dozer for the mop up. Which I never said that. I literally quoted. And the takeaway is, and my friend Gabriel always says that to record yourself when you talk to these people, like your own voice memo and just say, hey, I'm recording myself for my own records. Because you assume, like, they're recording you, but they're only going to use that to, like, get you not to like. So I called back immediately. I was like, hey, that's not what I said. And she's like, yeah, but it was confusing because you said the fire. The fire chief got there December 31st and the fire actually didn't start till January 1st. I said, no, no, no, no, no. You asked me exactly what the fire chief told me. He got it confused because obviously his house didn't burn down and it's not relevant to him 10 months later. And he said to me on the phone, I got there around December 31, around 11:30 at night. So that's what he said. So I'm not going to lie and mess up his words and say, he got there January 1st. That's not what he said. So I said that. And she's like, yeah, well, it was too confusing because then we would have had to say that you were. You were wrong about when the fire. I said, no, it wouldn't, Ben. You just say that. This was the quote that was said to Spencer from the battalion chief. So it's this whole he said, she said, blah, blah, blah. So it's super frustrating because then they. Now I'm in the LA Times looking like, I don't know what I'm talking about, when I actually know more about what I'm talking about than the lovely person typing up the story or the person editing the story. So it was a good lesson. I'll continue talking to these journalists because I even want their misinformation out there. Because the reality is even their misinformation helps the cause because somebody like Gavin Newsom, Karen Bass, Janice Quinones, they don't even want this fire talked about. They want to talk about Donald Trump and rebuilding and blah, blah, blah, but not the fact that we're all in dirt lots. So thank you, LA Times for nothing.

[Heidi Montag]

You also got on TMZ this week.

[Spencer Pratt]

Boo Yaka. Yes. First time we got on tmz, because even tmz, Harvey Levin is a lawyer, and he must have loved the fact that I was calling out Gavin's new some lawyers for either being the dumbest legal team in the world or the biggest liar. So either one is horrible. But they went to court this week and said their defense was that they said that because our legal team is referencing this, this Vetter case. And they were like, well, the Vetter case is nothing like Topanga State park, because obviously state park isn't like a. An airport where we're storing massive amounts of gasoline. That's right. There is no gasoline, but the state park is covered in massive amounts of fuel. So TMZ loved when I pulled up from one day earlier, Cal Fire, Gavin Newsom's firefighting force, and they posted how to manage fuels. That's what it says, fuels, because that's what they refer to brush. And dead brush is fuel. So you could call it gasoline or you could call it dev brush. They're both fuels that created a dangerous condition. I got to stop moving my hands. I'm like Gavin Newsom out here. Maybe Gavin Newsom just on a lot of caffeine. So, yeah, thank you, Harvey Levin. Speaking of Harvey Levin, they invited me to do the party bus, and I said, that's so nice, you guys. If I still had a house and all my belongings in my parents that house, and I was in a partying mood. If you have, like, a war bus, like in Mad Max, like, I will host that and pick the playlist. But it was nice that they thought I'd want to drive around Hollywood DJing a party bus. I was like, thank you for thinking of me, but I'm really not in a partying mood. I am in a drinking mood. If they want me to host just like a tequila tasting at Como's headquarters in Mexico. What else is going on in the world?

[Heidi Montag]

Christmas is coming.

[Spencer Pratt]

This will be a very depressing Christmas, obviously, because it'll be our first Christmas with none of our stockings that our families have passed down for generations. All of our ornaments that Heidi has collected since we first started dating that she was so serious about everyone and really invested in and wanted to pass to our children. Just like my parents and mom. So yeah, it's horrific. And I my heart is with all the 10,000 plus families that are going to have a horrible Thanksgiving, a horrible Christmas. The funniest thing On a whole different tangent, I'll get people that I block in my comments section and they'll be like, oh, now you care about things. If.

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[Spencer Pratt]

Yes, now I care about accountability. That is correct. But the idea that I was always supposed to be like an advocate for something that didn't happen to my life before. It wouldn't have made sense for me to go to paradise, for instance, and fight for the community in paradise for when Newsom and letting 85 people burn alive there and letting PG and E get off the hook because he got $208,000. That wouldn't have made sense. Now for the next fire, I promise you, for the next community that burns down, I will be an advocate for them and I will fight for them. So that's what people miss. I needed to be affected, to feel this, to to join it, for it to make sense. And that same hater, if I were going after Newsom for the Woosley fire or paradise or if I was going after the Lahaina, people would have been like, look at this guy trying to get attention, clout chasing. He doesn't care. He's the guy just wants to get clicks and views. So you trolls have created an environment where even if people do want to, like, fight for things, you make it where it's like, oh, they're just doing that for attention. Because I see it all the time.

[Heidi Montag]

But just because you don't speak about things doesn't mean that you're not supportive or do things or just because everything hasn't been public doesn't mean that either. And that is a part of life. People usually become involved with things that have affected people personally, and that's part of it. And having that empathy and that experience not change. And this is the circumstance that we're in. And you don't know until you experience certain things.

[Spencer Pratt]

So to that troll that I blocked, Potty word at you. So I'm so happy the air is so much better. I will say. I don't know if it's because all the mud, like, I'm like, not getting rashy at all. So if you were thinking about rebuilding back in the Palisades, I totally support it now because as long as there's tsunami rains for, like, two weeks and high winds, the conditions create a very less rashy atmosphere.

[Heidi Montag]

Well, the holidays are coming, and that can be really exciting for people. That can be really hard for people. There's a lot of different complexities that come with holidays and family dynamics or lack of it, or different things. So just want to send everyone a lot of love around the holidays, regardless what you're going through or have been through. So just want to send that out there. But for our family this holiday, my mom will be coming into town a week before for a few days to be able to have some Christmas cheer. And I'm excited about that. We're gonna take the kids to the zoo for the zoo lights. I just got the nutcracker. No, I.

[Spencer Pratt]

Which.

[Heidi Montag]

Which want you to come, but you don't need to if you don't.

[Spencer Pratt]

I've never been. Have you looked at your past or your app to see how many times you've really gone to the zoo?

[Heidi Montag]

I bet like, 100.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, if it was like. I mean, I. I don't think anyone's been in the zoo more than you.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah, I took Riker three times last week, so I also just bought nutcracker tickets.

[Spencer Pratt]

This is the Los Angeles County Zoo you go to, right?

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah. I also Just bought tickets to the Nutcracker. So that's exciting. I bought you one if you want to come. I have a babysitter for Rikers.

[Spencer Pratt]

They're all wearing their really tight nutcracking spandex.

[Heidi Montag]

I got the kid one.

[Spencer Pratt]

It's the most inappropriate shot.

[Heidi Montag]

I got the kid one.

[Spencer Pratt]

People say Dance to the Stars is a little edgy. You go. The Nutcracker, the one that we went to in downtown la was the closest I've ever been to a sex show. I mean, I don't know if it's still around. We may have gone to like the NC17. They might as well be skims with the. The new skims.

[Heidi Montag]

They wear tights.

[Spencer Pratt]

No, no, they were see through. They were see through. It was. It was. It was a lot.

[Heidi Montag]

All right.

[Spencer Pratt]

And Heidi, of course, got us front row. I had nothing. I had nutcrackers. Nutcracken.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah. We love Spencer's like, that's why it was called the Nutcracker. I was like, oh my gosh, Spencer. Anyways, we are going to that and then we are gonna go to Disney on Ice. Very exciting for that. Which we wait all year for. That's like a big highlight. And then I'm also taking the kids to the Polar Express, so it's gonna be very holiday packed in our house. I bought new stockings yesterday with everyone's names on them, which was really sad because my mom made all of our stockings and I had mine since I was born and she like made it and it's so much better than anyone that you can buy and it was just perfect. And then she made Spencer's when we started dating. And then she made each kids and they take her all year to make these stockings, like cutting them the insert of it. Anyways, she will not. We will not have those this year. So I bought them and I'm trying to just kind of reframe it. Like, you know, as much as I loved all those things, I want to, I really want to focus on like Jesus this season and really re. Bring that in for my family because it is so much about like the snowman and culture and this that. But it's like really is. They say Jesus is the reason for the season and. And my heart. Well, that's churches and stuff. Just checking in my heart. That's how I feel. So I'm gonna really try to focus more on that and enjoy and get new ornaments and new things and not be as sad about it all as I have been. So I had the morning of it and now I'm gonna try to go to a Pottery Barn, get some new stuff, even though I miss my old things. But, yep, I love Christmas.

[Spencer Pratt]

So. Speaking of Jesus, I was informed that you're praying for me extra every morning. I didn't hear you pray for me this morning.

[Heidi Montag]

I did pray for you. I pray for discernment and wisdom. Yes, I did.

[Monet X Change]

When?

[Spencer Pratt]

What time?

[Heidi Montag]

5:30Am it was pretty quiet.

[Spencer Pratt]

I need a little bit louder.

[Heidi Montag]

You need. You're feeling the need for more prayer. What happened? What you need. You need a little extra strength.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yes. Amen.

[Heidi Montag]

Okay, Lord, you're going to leave right now.

[Spencer Pratt]

Check out the new Bible app here, the one that Bible.com Mark Wahlberg is always posting about. So shop now. Very excited to get prattdaddy.com back in action.

[Heidi Montag]

I think we need an employee to.

[Spencer Pratt]

We do. We have. Nat is going to do reshoot all the pendants so they don't look like somebody on skid row holding them.

[Heidi Montag]

Well, we no longer have Mia and we need someone packaging and. And we need someone.

[Spencer Pratt]

Madison and Kate are going to come on the podcast. We can talk her into it on the podcast.

[Heidi Montag]

Perfect. Just give her a glass of champagne.

[Spencer Pratt]

Bobby, we should. We need a little bar here. We should get a said she will come with a hammer and nail and build like a overhead type thing here. We should see how much we could build before they come and give us like a violation, like a permit thing, like a fine.

[Heidi Montag]

So I've been thinking a lot about moving here versus Santa Barbara. And I decided I'm not gonna think about it anymore. And I'm just gonna see where God leads the path and I'm not gonna have a thought of one or the other because as much as I want the children in Santa Barbara and I think that is so much better for them, it's not just about the kids. It's also about you. And it's about other things, too. So as much as I want to take them into consideration, and I am, and I will, I'm just going to pray for the best for the whole family and see what God's plan is.

[Spencer Pratt]

Well, what's the math? What do you think I get of the cut of my book? You think I get a dollar each sale? No, two.

[Heidi Montag]

I don't know if you'll get any money.

[Spencer Pratt]

I would think we need to sell about 6 million copies of the guy you love to hate for it to be an option because at the current rate of podcast ads, we will be rebuilding 400 years. But you know, technology is Getting pretty cool. We could be AI. We could be AI Humans.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

Sitting here in a server one day.

[Heidi Montag]

No, thank you. Well, thank you all so much for tuning in to our show. The Fame Game.

[Spencer Pratt]

Not my. I have a lazy eye now. It's not always happens when I do two.

[Heidi Montag]

It's not when I'm like, dei, are you twitching?

[Spencer Pratt]

Yep.

[Heidi Montag]

That's not a lazy eye. Your eye is just twitching.

[Spencer Pratt]

Well, it's technically lazy one's like down.

[Heidi Montag]

It's just twitching.

[Spencer Pratt]

Well, it makes I'm lazy, so.

[Heidi Montag]

Okay. So anyways, please leave great reviews and pre order Spencer's book, the guy you loved to hate. Please stream and download my music and we will see you next time.

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