Fame, Fashion & THAT Lube Incident: Celebrity Stylist Tumas Zarskus Unfiltered

Summary

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The Fame Game with Heidi & Spencer

Episode: "Fame, Fashion & THAT Lube Incident: Celebrity Stylist Tumas Zarskus Unfiltered"

Release Date: October 16, 2025
Guests: Celebrity Stylist Tomas (Tutu) Zarskus
Hosts: Spencer Pratt & Heidi Montag
Podcast Network: Studio71

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the glitzy, unpredictable world of celebrity styling with special guest Tomas Zarskus—affectionately known as Tutu. Spencer and Heidi, in their signature raw, lively style, chat with Tomas about life behind the red carpet, wild wardrobe malfunctions (including a now-infamous lube incident), the nuances of style for the famous, and how faith, resilience, and “the vortex” of fame forge unbreakable bonds—and killer looks. From career beginnings, inspiration, and major pop-culture moments to AI and Amazon hacks, nothing is off limits.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. How Tomas Met Speidi & Broke Into Star Styling

[02:03–04:59]

• Tomas describes his journey from watching Heidi & Spencer on "The Hills" to manifesting a collab after reposting Heidi's "Wet Hot Summer" track on Instagram.
• He instantly connected with the Y2K vibes of their music and fashion, leading to his styling gig for a campaign which became a game-changer.
• “You pulled me out of that…side of my job and pulled me into your world, which I love. And it’s been amazing ever since.” – Tomas ([03:47])

2. The Realities & Stress of Styling—On Stage, On Tour, and On Carpet

[04:59–08:46]

• Spencer marvels at Tomas’ experience, explaining how “people don’t realize there’s different types of styling”—music performances, stage, red carpet, streetwear.
• “You know, even if you get things altered, you have to re-alter it sometimes.” – Spencer ([06:39])
• Wardrobe malfunctions (zippers, buttons, backup outfits) are routine: “If you don’t have a backup, then you’re screwed.” – Tomas ([07:21])
• Both highlight the importance of adaptability and faith when everything goes sideways.

3. Legendary Latex & ‘The Lube Incident’

[08:46–10:21]

• Heidi recounts her favorite fashion malfunction: a latex outfit in Canada that required lube for shine, only to discover they'd forgotten it. Chaos ensues as clubgoers are enlisted to find more.
• “Everyone’s running around this lovely gay nightclub asking everyone for lube…” – Heidi ([09:12])
• “Like, I’m going on stage without the lube! …And I’m going on right now.” – Spencer ([09:32])
• Tomas improvises with anything at hand to keep the show on the road—ultimately, “nobody knew but you.” – Heidi ([10:09])

4. Fashion Philosophy: Building Visual Stories

[11:18–14:25]

• Spencer admits he’s skeptical of Tomas’ wilder racks, but always ends up loving the vision: “I always reserve my judgment to put it on because…there have been so many things...” ([11:40])
• Tomas stresses the importance of letting clients try everything—“The clothes don’t wear you. You wear the clothes.” – Tomas ([12:20])
• Favorite designers? Tomas name-drops Glenn Martens, Alexander McQueen, and Margiela—though “it’s fun to see what designers create under different houses and for themselves” ([13:47]).

5. Family, Roots, and Style Inspiration

[14:25–15:53]

• Tomas’ mom was a major influence—always in heels, “full beat” makeup, a born artist.
• Childhood memories: “I was playing with dolls and making dresses for my dolls…wanting to play dress up as a kid because I thought it was beautiful.” ([14:40])

6. Best-Dressed Icons & Red Carpet Standouts

[16:16–17:10]

• Heidi asks who inspires Tomas:
  • He praises Jenna Ortega's styling (“She looks so good. Her team is doing a fabulous job with her.” – Tomas [16:49])
  • Longtime employer Brett Allen Nelson and Doja Cat’s “consistently fire” looks.

7. Signature Looks, AMAs ‘Wig Gate,’ and Fashion Risks

[18:29–25:57]

• Tomas shares his favorite Heidi looks (Canada’s Britney latex, London performance, famed Billboard carpet moment).
• On AMAs “wig gate”: There’s pride regardless of negative feedback—“We liked it and we stand behind our choices.” – Spencer ([20:12]), “The wig was a wig. And that’s it.” – Tomas ([22:31])
• Tomas explains the intent: turning tragedy (their home burning down) into “blue flame” symbolism—a bold, Hunger Games-like vision ([21:49]).
• They discuss how unpredictability adds authenticity and layers to public “eras.”

8. Branding & Evolving the ‘Pop Look’

[25:57–29:22]

• Spencer’s manager suggests a “signature era,” but the team prefers switching it up, embracing a spectrum of “Barbie” looks—hiking Barbie, business Barbie, etc.
• “High-end fantasy escapism, expensive Barbie, pretty much” is their style thesis ([28:07]).

9. Resilience, Faith, and Perspective Amid Tragedy

[29:24–33:04]

• Reminiscing about pre-fire home energy, celebrating each success: “In such a tragedy, it all started kind of, like, working out…It’s only getting better.” – Tomas ([30:12])
• Commentary on God, affliction, and finding blessings in hardships:
  • “God does some of his greatest works in affliction…there can be a blessing in it.” – Spencer ([31:57])

10. Reality TV Obsessions & Guilty Pleasures

[33:04–35:05]

• Tomas is a reality TV fanatic (favoring Real Housewives of Salt Lake City); he loves chaos, fighting, and “misunderstood women.”
• “Woman screaming and fighting is my favorite thing in the world. It’s like music to my ears.” – Tomas ([35:05])

11. Dreams, Work, and Philosophy on Success

[35:26–37:14]

• For the future, Tomas wants to stay in styling but keep it “multifaceted”—and maybe revisit hospitality. Simplicity, humility, and accessibility matter in both food and style.

12. Amazon Fashion Hacks & Wardrobe Building

[39:15–40:56]

• Amazon is their inside secret—Tomas says, “Everyone in the industry does it.” (Amazon jumpsuits, shoes, and basics—Tomas calls them “beaters.”)
• Tips: Build outfits around a key piece (tank, jeans, accessories); know your body and stick with cuts that flatter you ([41:21], [42:48]).

13. Dressing Up, Confidence, and Self-Presentation

[42:55–44:28]

• Dress your best, make the effort for yourself and your loved ones.
• “Dressing up is how you present yourself to the world. If you look presentable and cute and hot, I feel like society favors that more…It’s just the truth.” – Tomas ([43:43])

14. AI, ChatGPT, and the Fast-Paced World

[47:10–51:25]

• The group debates AI. Tomas is addicted to ChatGPT (“I view ChatGPT as the God’s creation,” [48:14]), but the others are more wary, especially about misinformation and kids’ technology use.
• “They gather all the information from credible sources, which aren’t credible.” – Tomas, on AI’s limits ([50:35])

15. Parenthood and Screen Time

[52:01–52:47]

• They touch on raising kids in a digital world, balancing screen time, and tools like “kids’ phones.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “You pulled me out of that…side of my job and pulled me into your world, which I love.” – Tomas ([03:47])
• “If you don’t have a backup, then you’re screwed.” – Tomas ([07:21])
• “Everyone's running around this lovely gay nightclub asking everyone for lube…” – Heidi ([09:12])
• “The clothes don’t wear you. You wear the clothes.” – Tomas ([12:20])
• “We liked it and we stand behind our choices.” – Spencer, on “wig gate” ([20:12])
• “The wig was a wig. And that's it.” – Tomas ([22:31])
• “In such a tragedy, it all started kind of, like, working out…It’s only getting better.” – Tomas ([30:12])
• “God does some of his greatest works in affliction…there can be a blessing in it.” – Spencer ([31:57])
• “Women screaming and fighting is my favorite thing in the world. Like, it’s like, music to my ears.” – Tomas ([35:05])
• “Dressing up is how you present yourself to the world…It’s just the truth.” – Tomas ([43:43])
• “I view ChatGPT as the God’s creation.” – Tomas ([48:14])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:03–04:59: How Tomas met Spencer and Heidi, breaking into celebrity styling.
• 08:46–10:21: The infamous latex “lube incident” in Canada.
• 18:29–22:56: Favorite Heidi looks, AMAs “wig gate,” and high-stakes red carpet decision-making.
• 29:24–33:04: Reflections on tragedy, faith, and finding purpose after losing their home.
• 39:15–41:21: Amazon hacks for building a stylish wardrobe on a budget.
• 47:10–51:25: ChatGPT, digital life, and generational shifts.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a rollercoaster of fashion storytelling, insider mishaps, spiritual life, and hilarious, candid banter. It’s equal parts a masterclass in celebrity style and a real-life lesson on staying positive—and stylish—no matter what chaos fame (or latex) brings.

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Social Handles:

• Follow Tomas: @TomasZarskus on Instagram
• Shop Heidi’s merch and music: prattdaddy.com & iTunes

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Next Week: More candid chaos, style secrets, and Speidi shenanigans!

Transcript

[Tomas Zarskus]

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[Tomas Zarskus]

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[Heidi Montag]

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[Tomas Zarskus]

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[Spencer Pratt]

Tell me you didn't get plastic surgery to pull out the album. Oh, no, that's all. Welcome to the fame game. We have fame guru of style, all things fashion, Tomas here and dearly known as Tutu amongst his closest friends. And we're so excited to have you on.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I'm excited to be here.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yay. So just talk about my outfit and me and all the dressing things and everything you love.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah.

[Heidi Montag]

We should rewind how we met to mas. Because it should have never happened, you know?

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah. It's actually really crazy how we met. I believe, like, I manifested it. I don't know. I kind of grew up watching you guys on tv. And the Hills was one of my favorite shows and I didn't realize that. I knew that you had an album, but I wasn't really, like. I listened to a few songs, but then life happened. Moved to London and everything. And then you kind of resurfaced with, like, I'll do it. Started kind of getting really big on TikTok and You released a song, Wet Hot Summer, I think, a year ago, right? Was it a year ago? Yeah, a year ago. A little over a year ago. And I loved it so much. I thought it was such a good song. And I reposted it on my Instagram. And my friend who has a brand, she's really cool, was doing a campaign, and she's like, wait, this song is so hot. I love it. What if. What if we had the opportunity to work with Spencer and Heidi on my. On this campaign? Would you be down to help me style it and just, like, make it all happen with me? And I was like, absolutely. And, yeah, it was a very. I. It was a very, like, a Y2K kind of shoot, so it made sense. And I don't know, I feel like all the stars kind of aligned, and we met on the shoot, and I was kind of nervous to meet you because I was such a fan and of you, both of you, but obviously you're such, like, such an iconic person. Especially for me, like, growing up watching you, it was just amazing. And I remember at the time, your makeup artist asked me if I could style you for a couple things that were coming up in that week, and something in my inside was like, I have to do it. Like, I can't say no, because a lot of times I'm like, oh, I'm too busy, or like, oh, I can't do this, and kind of like, I'm not ready yet. And I was working for a creative director at the time, Silas, and creative director, and kind of busy with his projects and, you know, and his stuff, and kind of wrapped up in that world. But I kind of wanted to start branching out a little bit and doing my own thing. And, I don't know, you kind of, like, pulled me out of that. That, you know, side of my job and pulled me into your world, which I love. And it's been amazing ever since.

[Spencer Pratt]

I tend to be a vortex, you know, just like, to suck people in. Yeah, it's shake it up.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Exactly. But no, it was. It was a great, positive change in my life. Not saying that, you know, that job or that, you know, previous situation was bad. It wasn't bad at all. It got me to where I am today. But it's just. It's crazy how life puts you in rooms with people that you can relate to and kind of. You always wanted to work with and are nice and kind and just make the dreams happen, you know, I love that.

[Spencer Pratt]

And you were working with huge people. I mean, you were touring and, like, out there with, well, I have seen you with my own eyes and Tate McCray's music videos when she was doing all her BTS and with, you know, a lot of other huge stars. And so you were not just starting out, you were in with some of the biggest celebrities in the entire world. And styling and every look was so great. So I think people don't realize there's different types of styling too. Like, there's stage presence styling totally for artists, and then there's street style, then there's red carpet style.

[Tomas Zarskus]

So, like, I feel like every. Every single stylist kind of, you know, likes doing what they like to do or like, is good at a certain thing. I was very fortunate enough to have worked with a creative director and stylist that was. That had really big clients and big names that did a lot of different things, like music videos and carpets and editorials and all that. So it kind of prepped me for those things, you know. And I personally like working with musicians I think the most, just because it's so multifaceted, because there's TV cameos and there's movie cameos and, you know, there's just so many different things that have carpets, events, editorials, music videos, you know, performance. It's. It's all of it. You know, I think with actors not knocking it, that whole, like, it's a whole different world. I feel like it's the same world, but it's different outlet. There is. I feel like there's more opportunity with. With singers.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. Well, thank God you knew so much about performance because there's like mic packs and you're sewing in. Tomas is sewing me into something before every single performance. And I think like, thank God you know what you're doing. And we're stitching something. Things change last minute. Even if you get things altered, you have to like, re alter it sometimes.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah, you can never just something sometimes, you know, you can never get a solid thing because there's so many moving.

[Spencer Pratt]

Parts to everything, you know, and it's so action packed. Like, you know, you're sitting there with hair and makeup and that's like a longer part. And then it gets to Tomas and.

[Tomas Zarskus]

He'S always like, I'm like, I need probably the most time. And I have like 20 minutes.

[Spencer Pratt]

And then like, I get the least something.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Like, like a button pops off and you're like, okay, this is great. Like, and if you don't have a backup, then you're screwed.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah, like the zipper. Remember when we were downtown, we were doing an LA performance.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Like, three things in the. In one day.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yes.

[Tomas Zarskus]

And I was changing you for your performance because you had just did a music video with another artist. And it was like, I had this whole vibe for this performance. I'm like, let's do this. Like, I feel like it would be great because it's more like warehousey and everything. And then we've tried it on multiple times. The last time we tried on just before you have to leave and go, the zipper breaks and then the button pops. Cause I was like, it's okay. Like, we'll just double stick you in or like, I can sew you in. But then. Oh, my. It was just so bad and everything started going wrong. And we chose the same outfit you wore for the music video. But it was such an iconic outfit.

[Spencer Pratt]

No, for sure. I was like, okay, it's meant to be these. We're not supposed to wear these pants.

[Tomas Zarskus]

No.

[Spencer Pratt]

So let's just put it back. Let's put this outfit back on. It's great. It's gonna be even better.

[Tomas Zarskus]

You know what the really good thing about me and you is? I feel like we're so, like, like, faith based. And like, we kind of just like, let God lead in a lot of situations, you know, and we don't, like, really, like, stick on things much. So if things like that happen, we're just like, you know what? It's meant to be. And it'll be.

[Spencer Pratt]

Just keep it moving.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I love that. Yeah.

[Heidi Montag]

My favorite malfunction story is from Canada.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Oh, my gosh.

[Heidi Montag]

When Heidi was wearing latex. And if you didn't know, once you put the latex on to make it look smooth, you rub lube on it. And somehow we ended up with no lube.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Brought three bottles of lube.

[Spencer Pratt]

And so even before we left, I'm like, I'm doing a checklist. I'm like, okay, we have this. We have this. We have lube. He's like, I got this.

[Heidi Montag]

We got our. The stage manager and his whoever. Everyone's running around this lovely gay nightclub asking everyone for lube, which you're running.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Around, dude, it was hilarious.

[Heidi Montag]

Everyone's asking for lube. And Tomas is like, hold the show. I'm gonna go to the corner store. I'm going to the corner store. I'm gonna buy a lube.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, I was like, no, Tomas, I'm going on stage without the lube. And I'm going on right now. And so we are just.

[Heidi Montag]

What did you start rubbing on her?

[Tomas Zarskus]

All over the place. It Was everything, like, I grabbed on everything, towels. I was like, ty and Mike, get your ass over here. Like, we need to wipe her down. Because I powdered it so much and then, I don't know, the whole day was so much. It was like we did what, like seven outfits, I think, that day. And. And I. I packed and repacked my kit like seven times and then left it right next to where my kit was placed in the hotel room when I got back. But, I mean, it worked out.

[Heidi Montag]

Nobody knew but you.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I don't think anyone knew. Nobody knew, but you could tell a little.

[Heidi Montag]

I will be traveling from now on. Next tour. I'm at my cell phone, my wallet and a lube. I'm going to go through tsa.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, oh, my God.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Whoa, buddy. Oh, gosh.

[Spencer Pratt]

No. There's a lot that goes into every single look. So we like to, when we go somewhere, I like to bust out as many looks as possible. I'm like, okay, we're all here. This is the time.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Well, you're also like a mom and like you're working, so. And you like, you monetize your time a little differently, you know what I mean? And in the best way where it's like you kill so many birds in one stone. That's how I am as a person. Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

I like to work hard, fast, efficiently, get it all done. I never will. You know, they're like, anyone need lunch? Eat on the go.

[Tomas Zarskus]

That's how I am. I was like, well, I was at Whole Foods the other day and this is a little off topic. And you see these like, 30 minute, like, I'll be back in 30 minutes or whatever. I'm like, no. Like, I'm like, have someone else do it, please. Like, I'm in a hurry. Like, I need this smoothie. I'm like, what is going on? Like, what is it with the customer service in 2025?

[Spencer Pratt]

Oh, my gosh.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Like, non existent.

[Spencer Pratt]

So freaking funny. But every look is so much like you're double sticking everything. You're tailoring everything. You think you just throw on an outfit and you don't. There's so much that doesn't fit. There's so much that does. Like, how do you even have that eye? Because so, I mean, like, not offensively, but sometimes I see some stuff that tutu has on the rack. I'm like, I'm not even making a.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Judge knock it down right away. You're like, what is that?

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. Sometimes I'm like, yeah. But then I always reserve my judgment to put it on because there have been so many things that we put on. I'm like, okay, I see the vision. It looks great. But I love that about you.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Like, a lot of people just knock it down and don't even want to try it on, and it becomes a little discouraging. And you know what I mean? As a creative, you always want what you kind. You might feel more passionate about, you know, certain pieces rather than others, of course, but regardless, you gathered all of those pieces for your client or, you know, for you. And so. So you kind of want the opportunity to try them. And I love that about you. And that's. I feel like what works a lot because you might not like it, but you try it and then you fall in love with it. And it resonates like you can see it. You know what I mean? The clothes don't wear you. You wear the clothes.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah, you're such a good visualist. Who are some of your favorite designers right now? Like, up and coming and, like, set in stone, high end designers.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I think, like many people, I think Glenn Martens is probably one of my favorite designers right now. I think also it's a little kind of common to say this, but Alexander McQueen just is probably one of my biggest inspirations. If I had all the money in the world, I would probably be dressed in Margiela all the time, because I just love them so much. But I don't really necessarily have a favorite because designers create collections. What, you know, some do four, you know, five a season. It just depends how many brands you work for. But I don't really have just a set favorite, I don't think, because it's fun to see what designers create under different houses and for themselves. And sometimes their brands are so cool. And you've seen, like, you know, old shows from like 2005, and that brand doesn't exist anymore. And you didn't even, like, know about it, but you, like, just discovered now I'm like, this is so hot. Like, why doesn't it exist? You know? And so it's hard to have a favorite, I think. But I think finding inspiration is always fun through fashion. In my, like, my eyes, I always was so surrounded by clothes all the time. Ever since I was a kid, I just, like, hoarded clothes. It was just like one of those things that I did. And whether I'm a great stylist or a bad stylist or good or bad in fashion, I just feel like I belong in fashion just because I'm surrounded by so many clothes at all. Times. And it's just like, I need to make something work out of this, you know?

[Spencer Pratt]

Your mom is a fashion icon.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yes, she was an artist. Legend. Yeah, she was an artist. Multifaceted. Always dressed up super nice every single day on heels. So I think that was a big inspiration for me. I think ever since I was a little kid, I was playing with dolls and making dresses for my dolls, you know, wearing my mom's heels, putting on my mom, like, towels as dresses, and wanting to play dress up as a kid because I thought it was beautiful and it was gorgeous. And, like, I was like, when can I. I remember I was like a little kid and I was like, mom, when can I wear heels? When can I wear heels? He's like, well, when your ankle develops on. Your ankle develops, then you can start wearing heels. And I'm like, well, do boys wear heels? And. And she's like, yeah, absolutely. Wear heels. Like, look at Prince. Look at Michael Jackson, you know, I don't know if Michael Jackson did or not, but, like, Kiss, like, the band, you know, I mean, everyone wears heels. It's heels. You know, it's shoes. So.

[Spencer Pratt]

But yeah, I love that. I think about your mom sometimes when I'm like, what should I wear to date night? Or whatever. I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna throw on this dress.

[Tomas Zarskus]

And no, she was with the dress. Heels at the grocery store every single day in makeup. Full beat. Like, driving the kids to school, driving back. I mean, her. My dad didn't live with us. They did long distance. But again, she's like, I just want to be gorgeous and pretty, you know?

[Spencer Pratt]

Goals. Goals.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I mean, that's basically you every day, too. Only when I'm with you, Barbie.

[Heidi Montag]

Back to inspiration. Of all the famous people be singers.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I. I've done actors, too. Actresses.

[Heidi Montag]

But other clients that aren't yours. Who do you think is consistently, like, the best dressed? You're like, dang. Her.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Her.

[Heidi Montag]

His team.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Or they are, like, with people that.

[Heidi Montag]

They can even be in the way past.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Like, just people that I. I've, like, clients that I've worked with.

[Heidi Montag]

No, no, just in general. Yeah, just like that. You're like, dang. This makes you step up your game. Like, oh, I gotta beat this.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I feel like it's hard to compare because everyone is in their own, like, mini worlds, and different projects kind of require different poles and a creative direction, you know? And I feel like right now, one of my favorites. That. That's killing it is Jenna Ortega. Like, she's amazing. She looks so Good.

[Heidi Montag]

You like the crystal?

[Tomas Zarskus]

I like. I think everything that they're doing. Her styling team is doing a fabulous job with her. But again, it kind of shows. For example, like my old employer, Brett Allen Nelson with Doja Cat. I mean, you know.

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[Tomas Zarskus]

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[Spencer Pratt]

What's one of your favorite performance outfits that you styled me for?

[Tomas Zarskus]

You. Oh, my gosh. There's so many. I did love the Canada one because it was a, a reference to Britney Spears. I think that was kind of fierce. The London performance with the, the pink, the pink flag was so good. I feel like that was one of my favorites for sure. You're an Amelia carpet for women in Billboard. Yes, on the top there as well. That was a Vogue write up, which was so big for us. I feel like the next day you called me and you're like, are you seeing what just happened? And I'm like, yes. And I'm like, I can't even believe it, you know, because I always knew I wanted to put you in that dress. But I kind of. I got all these other dresses from all these other showrooms and designers, and I called my friend up and I was like, hey, do you still have that dress? Is it selling her ex? Like, thank God you called me. I'm closing in five minutes. Like, I'll send an Uber right now. And that's the dress that, like, ended up working out of, like, all the dresses and all the Looks that we had, you know, and that was. That was insane. I was think. I think that's probably my. My top with the London performance, for sure.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

And speaking of best dress, we should address the wig gate when we got worse wig as well.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah. What's your perspective on it? Because we heard my. He blamed the outfit.

[Tomas Zarskus]

He blamed the outfit.

[Spencer Pratt]

No, he did not. No, he didn't.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Oh, Lord.

[Spencer Pratt]

I was saying, I think it was a combination that people had such a reaction with the wig and the outfit together combined. Like, I think that it just for some reason hit wrong. But I was saying that we liked it and we stand behind our choices. And that's what I said in my life.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah, totally.

[Spencer Pratt]

We did. We like it. Okay. Yes or no? And then I'm like, yes, we did. So we have to stand behind our choice. Not like, let what other people or haters are saying.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I feel like I. My. My take on this and. And, you know, correct me if I'm wrong. I just wish I was there earlier in the day. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Spencer Pratt]

Okay.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I just wish that I was there earlier in the day. But in Grant, like, in grand scheme of things, I feel like it was such an iconic moment. Like, what happened. Everyone was talking about it. I feel like that show that this year was not like, what it's. People are used to it being, you know, and it was nice getting the buzz, whether it was bad or good or, you know, I remember when you stepped out on carpet, I was getting dms from Women's World. We're a daily. And they're like, who. Who's this outfit by? Who's like, send me all the tags that we want to do a write up. She looks amazing. She looks incredible. And then, you know, five minutes later, I'm trying to pull everything up. I'm like, you know, going to the other side of the room and I'm like, oh, like, the DM's got deleted. Like, I'm not seeing this person anymore in my DMs. And like, you know, like, this is weird. And then, like, one thing comes out and the other thing. And I was like, oh, like, I guess this isn't good, you know, but.

[Spencer Pratt]

It'S so weird that the actual industry just flipped because they totally.

[Tomas Zarskus]

They were so on board.

[Spencer Pratt]

They loved it. And yeah, that's what I thought the reaction was going to be because it was something. It's the AMAs. You're supposed to be different and be different.

[Tomas Zarskus]

My thing was, is, like, it was your first AMAs. And I always liked the idea of playing this idea of playing with fire, you know, because of the tragedy of your home burning down and everything. And the blue flame being the hottest flame, you know, in temperature. I wanted you to step out kind of looking like that blue flame, you know, and it was. There was a whole story behind it.

[Spencer Pratt]

And very Hunger Games.

[Tomas Zarskus]

It was very Hunger Games vibes. But it's kind of like the VMAs. Like, you want to be cool and fun and do fun and quirky stuff. You know what I mean? It's not like a Vanity Fair after party for, like, the Grammys or something.

[Spencer Pratt]

Right. It's not that serious.

[Tomas Zarskus]

It's not like, you know, you don't need to go full, you know, glam and everything. It's kind of like you kind of want to make it what. What you want to make it, but still look obviously carpet ready. And I think I feel like the look was amazing, in my. In my opinion, and I loved it. I think you looked spectacular. The wig was a wig. And that's it. That's all I'm going to say. The wig was a wig.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. And that's what we were going for.

[Tomas Zarskus]

And we've never done.

[Spencer Pratt]

We talked about it.

[Tomas Zarskus]

We've never done a wig before on you. It was the first time you've ever done a wig. It wasn't $20,000 like a lot of the other girlies have, you know.

[Spencer Pratt]

And then what happened earlier? Did you miss your flight or did.

[Tomas Zarskus]

No, it was too late. Something happened. It got.

[Spencer Pratt]

Why weren't you there, Tutu?

[Tomas Zarskus]

What?

[Spencer Pratt]

What happened?

[Tomas Zarskus]

No, it got delayed, and then I got another flight later, and I was like, oh, we have plenty of time because of all this.

[Spencer Pratt]

And so then we're thinking, well, great. Are we going to, like, down in Vegas? Like, what? I just remember losses, income. So that's what I'm thinking, too. Like, we have the wig on, and.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Then I'm thinking, Spencer's like, should we go to, like.

[Spencer Pratt]

Shopping?

[Heidi Montag]

We're gonna go to store a store.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Down to go buy the encore. Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

So there was so much going on, like, at that moment wasn't just, like, the wig. There's always a million things going on.

[Tomas Zarskus]

A million things. And as soon as, like, one moving part goes wrong, it's kind of like a domino effect. And everybody deals with this in the industry, I feel like, you know, or in general in their daily life. But I remember I had 30 minutes to change you. You open the door with the wig on, and you're like, what do you think? And I'm like, I have no time for this. Let's. Let me just change you. I was like, let me just change you. Get your jewelry in, and then if we have time to play, we can play. But I. I don't have time.

[Spencer Pratt]

And we weren't fully committed because we also had that Christian Cowan red gown.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Which was absolutely gorgeous that you were also it. I was so split between the two because it was like American Music Award. The Christian Cowan gown was red with the red stars. And I was like, this is so beautiful. And, you know, and then the blue was the blue flame. So I was just very, like, kind of torn in between very 50, 50. But we ended up shooting it, which was great.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. And the casino, which was perfect.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

But I thought that blue was a little more, like, pop, you know, I just thought it was a little more pop star.

[Tomas Zarskus]

It was a set, too, as a corset and pant, and there was all fully crystal, which was, like, awesome and, like, different to arrive with, like, a pant and corset on a carpet.

[Spencer Pratt]

Right.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Rather than a gown. So it was just like, more. We tried everything new. I feel like that day we were giving everything. New hair, new, new vibes on getting, like, you know, the not doing a dress for your car because the. The previous carpet you were on was. Was Billboard Women in Music, and you were in a dress in a gown.

[Spencer Pratt]

Right.

[Tomas Zarskus]

And so we were kind of like, we always like to switch it up with you. We always do. We don't like to stick to, like, the same thing even, like, for. For. For anything. We're like, well, you kind of wore, like, jeans and, you know, blouse the other, like the other tape or like the other project or like, whatever. Like, let's put you in a dress now. And like, let's put you in a two piece. Let's put you, you know, in a skirt or like a booty short or a longer short. Like, it's. We like to kind of differentiate because we do work a lot together so much that we like to kind of have different equations in the mix.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. What do you think about. So I was talking to my new manager about rebranding the pop look.

[Heidi Montag]

What do you think suggested to you? Yeah, tell them how it was framed.

[Spencer Pratt]

Well, I already had. Yeah, line it up.

[Tomas Zarskus]

He suggested to find you, like, a look or like, an era. Right. Well, I feel like we kind of do have a look in mind, and like, we were doing that, like, Y2K kind of like pop girl vibe with you. For performance. But we like to switch it up. I feel like. I feel like my take on it is that if, like, a lot of pop stars have eras that they go into with their albums, you know, like, they feel some type of way with their album. Like, for example, I mentioned Lady Gaga with, like, Joanne, and then there was, you know, art pop. And it's just different eras of a person. And I think because we. Me and you work a lot together, you have a distinct look of Barbie, obviously doll Barbie, but it's not just that. It's more than that. You know what I mean? It's because you literally are real life size Barbie to me. Like, you do squats, like, you know, you work out. It's like the wa. Drinking in the water, like, just so positive all the time. Like, clothes look so good on you. It's just like, you know, I love it. It's like my playground. But. And Barbie has so many different.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, yeah, there's hiking Barbie.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Exactly.

[Spencer Pratt]

There is business Barbie.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Exactly. We're giving, like, Regal Presidential Barbie today.

[Spencer Pratt]

Okay? We are all the Barbies.

[Tomas Zarskus]

The previous look was very. What did I say? Like, interview business kind of vibe. So, yeah, it's just different. I don't know. I think. I think we could definitely come up with something that you. You could stick to and we could do that, no problem, you know, But I think it's fun. It's fun to like, switch things up all the time and kind of give people different looks and different vibes of you.

[Spencer Pratt]

Right? And what I said to him is I thought we have that aesthetic and it's like high end fantasy escapism, expensive Barbie pretty much, you know, so, like.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I was thinking too, like, there's a lot of things that fit for people's personalities and, like, don't fit for people's personalities. And I feel like one thing that I steer away from with you is like the conceptual kind of look, you know, where it's like super conceptual. It's like, you know, a dress made full out of, like, pantyhose of, like, different colors and like that, like, very ultra modern, like, you know, concept, like raver warehouse girl, you know, I mean, like, you just, I don't know, like, you would never really resonate in that, you know, I mean, like those tall, like, cracked out, like, skinny models that are like, walking around with just pantyhose and a booty short and like a little like, you know, it's just like, you wouldn't look like, it just wouldn't resonate with anything. It needs to be authentic, it needs to be authentic. First of all, you're a mother of two, and you're a woman of faith, and. And, yeah, it just needs to be hot and pretty, but in all the right places.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah, you know, for sure. Just like we're doing.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Exactly. Just like we're doing.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Period. By the way, I miss your house so much. It was so beautiful. Like, I remember us sitting in your living room at, like, fittings, and you guys would pour me, like, so much champagne. Like, champagne, champagne. Like, we'd celebrate every single thing, which is so crazy because that's how I grew up within my family. Like, my mom was very much like that. And they always, like, kind of like to celebrate each moment every day. And we were talking about all these things that we, like, dreamed of, of doing and the people that we dreamed of, like, working with and everything. And it's so weird how in such a tragedy, it all started kind of, like working out, you know? And, like, we started working with those people and these people and doing the things that we wanted to do and. And it's only getting better. It really is. It's only getting better, you know?

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I'm so proud of you guys. I'm so proud of you. But both of you just such hard. I say the devil works hard, but Spencer Pratt works hard. No, like, you guys both are such hard workers. And I feel like people fail to see that because I'm with you guys every single day. You're doing something. I'm like, I wish I had the strength, which I do, but I just. I need to probably have a more of, like, a fire in me and.

[Heidi Montag]

No pun intended.

[Tomas Zarskus]

No, exactly. But no. Yeah. It's like, do you guys ever sleep? I'm like, they're like vampires.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, yeah, I sleep.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I'm glad.

[Spencer Pratt]

Sensor is sleepy.

[Heidi Montag]

I just sleeping by second.

[Tomas Zarskus]

No, I'd come over before now. Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

Oh, my gosh. I'm glad. I like.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

Here. Do you have water? Like, oh, my gosh. I'm so glad you got to see our house before.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Totally. Because it was a good vibe and energy in there.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. And everything was so strategically placed. Like, I spent so much time.

[Tomas Zarskus]

It was beautiful on everything. It was beautiful. It was gorgeous. And the woodwork and everything.

[Spencer Pratt]

And the tiles of woodwork.

[Tomas Zarskus]

It was gorgeous. Like, the kitchen was so, like. It reminded me of, like, an Italian kitchen. You know what I mean? Like, that you would, like, go in Italy and, like, you know, the pots are there and, like, the espresso machine. It was just like, so, so good. But honestly, to many more blessings that are coming your way, you know.

[Spencer Pratt]

Thank you. Yeah. I mean, well, see, I mean, you never know. God has planned.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Absolutely. Yeah. You never know.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah.

[Heidi Montag]

Heidi said the Bible verse at church was affliction and God, we're doing great. Being punished.

[Spencer Pratt]

It was saying in church, it was reading one of the psalms, and it was about affliction and how God does some of his greatest works in affliction. And in this world, what he's promised is trouble because it's a fallen, hard world. And so how, you know, we're all going to have trouble and we're all going to have hard times, but that God can use it for good and use those hard times to pray you on a path that you wouldn't have been on or have chosen to do greater good and greater works. And as painful and hard as it is, that there can be a blessing in it and to do, you know, the will God that has for us that is greater and more powerful and absolutely than maybe what we would have been on ourselves. So I thought it was a really good message. I'm glad you got the message.

[Heidi Montag]

Amen.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah, I mean, that's. I think that's very true. I mean, we all, as humans go through so much troubles at certain times of our life, but again, it makes us who we are and we learn from those troubles and. Or mistakes or wins or losses. Yeah, that's just life. Exactly. La vida loca. Yeah, for sure.

[Heidi Montag]

You don't watch any reality shows, do you?

[Tomas Zarskus]

I do. Oh, what shows you I'm bad. I mean, I'm a reality TV fanatic. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City is probably at my top. So good. I like all the Real Housewives, but I think my favorite is Salt Lake right now, for sure.

[Spencer Pratt]

Is it airing right now?

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah, it just. I think the first episode just aired this week.

[Spencer Pratt]

Do you watch Secret Lives and Mormon Wives?

[Tomas Zarskus]

I don't. No, I haven't started that. I haven't started that.

[Heidi Montag]

Even though Heidi's music is all over season three.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I see. I'm a bad, bad fan. I'm a bad fan. I. I don't know why I didn't get into it. It's on Hulu, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Heidi Montag]

What about Dance with Stars? Are you going to watch that this season?

[Tomas Zarskus]

I think I started watching it yesterday and I fell asleep. I never really watched Dancing with the Stars ever. I feel like they get so crazy into, like, the dance thing, you know, like the. The talent gets so crazy into it, and they like, become dancers, and they think they're, like, dancers. And, like, I was like, you. Everyone needs to chill out. Like, it's cool. It's fun, but, like, chill out. Like, this is for fun. You know what I mean? Like, they, like, make their whole personality about, like, ballroom dance in that moment. And then, like, everyone wants to know, like, what's going on between, like, the dancer and, like, their partner. And, like, there's like, a steamy, like, situation or, like, whatever. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm more into, like, that part.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Like, what's going on?

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, and there's a lot of that going on there.

[Heidi Montag]

You're gonna watch the Naders love thy Nader.

[Tomas Zarskus]

The Naders love thy neighbor. It's like a Kardashian, right? Like, replica type thing, right? Yeah, probably. I don't know. We'll see. I'm gonna see. Like, if there's a rainy day and there's nothing going on, I totally will. I'm, like, a sucker for, like, dating shows. Like, I love. Love Island, Perfect Match. Like, all that stuff. Women screaming and fighting is my favorite thing in the world. Like, it's like, music to my ears.

[Spencer Pratt]

Done.

[Tomas Zarskus]

It's bad, but it's also like, there's just so many misunderstood women, you know, in my eyes. And it's just like, it's okay to change your mind, you know? Like, it's okay to change your mind, period. Like, no, you shouldn't be scrutinized for changing your mind. Like, you know what? One day I think, like, this, and then the other day I think, like, this. And obviously not always, but it's like, it's okay to change your mind. Yeah, that's it.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah.

[Tomas Zarskus]

You know, like, it's very true.

[Spencer Pratt]

I'm like, what's your dream goal? Like, what's your dream clients? Do you like musicians? Do you want to stick to that? Do you want to have. I don't think I have stars.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I don't think I have. I love. I do love carpet a lot. Carpet styling. I think it's. It's one. Like, I really do enjoy it. It's a whole different ball game. And it's fun, but as far as, like, clients go and just future, I would love to be in styling for a while because I just kind of dipped my feet in recently alone, by myself. And I still work for other creative directors sometimes here and there when they need help. But primarily, I want to have, like, a multifaceted avenue for everything in styling world and fashion world. Maybe in Hospitality. I kind of grew up in hospitality or started working in hospitality at a very young age since I was like 15 years old. And so I still, I don't like miss it, but I crave it sometimes. Or like I'll make something or I'll go to a restaurant or something. I'm like, I don't like this. Like this isn't how it should be. It just needs to be like less ego. Like slash the price a little bit, make it more simple. Like just have like a cool. Like, you know, I feel like people are just like over egotistical now when it comes to their, their stuff. Like, you know, and like overpriced. And it's just, it shouldn't just be that way. Like you can have good, simple, clean things or meals or whatever, food or drinks or coffee drinks without like the ego and having it to be like, you know, lines out the door, like for $20 matcha. You know what I mean? Like it's kind of ridiculous.

[Spencer Pratt]

Or be back in 30 minutes with nobody even there.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Exactly, exactly.

[Heidi Montag]

So it's like this is not brought to you by Amazon, but one thing Heidi is so thankful for is you showing her how many amazing things you can get from Amazon.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Absolutely. You know what's crazy is that everybody in the industry does it. Like everybody. I was on a. You know, I don't know if I could say this or not, but a big editorial shoot with a big magazine, with a huge photographer that's well known. And.

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[Tomas Zarskus]

Amazon jumpsuits, Amazon leggings, Amazon everything from Amazon.

[Spencer Pratt]

The shoes are the best things ever from Amazon because I did have like expensive, nice shoes that all bring my.

[Tomas Zarskus]

House, but they're so comfortable. Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

And, but now it's like I'm not gonna replace those shoes because I spent, you know, 20 years buying those shoes and having those shoes and I would buy like one or two a year. So I'm out like all these shoes. But now, now I can find way less expensive. I just. Thank you for sending me those thirty dollar incredible shoes that are some of my favorite.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah, I mean, like, I call them like, you know, wear them once and then you can trash them if you want or whatever. You know, like kind of like beaters, you know, situation. And the, the thing is like my thing with Amazon sometimes is like, you know, you can tell that it's like a dupe of something. It might be a good dupe, but I think a different design and a four star or over four star review, like something that's not a dupe is like where you kind of like want to start narrowing your, your, your search down. But yeah, no, I love, I love a good Amazon poll.

[Spencer Pratt]

Good call.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Actually. Amazon should spot sponsor us and we should do a whole podcast styling situation with Amazon. It would be such a good idea.

[Spencer Pratt]

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[Heidi Montag]

Everyone. Please tag Amazon in this clip as you.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I love Amazon.

[Heidi Montag]

The billboard has not become a brand yet. We're gonna. So that could say Amazon behind us.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Oh my gosh.

[Spencer Pratt]

So what are some styling tips that you would give to someone who. From Amazon or just wants to like put a few cute things together? Like what's a good basic staple to always have in your closet? You know, shoes, shirt, like what do you.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah, I feel like my, my basic staple in my closet is always different colored tank tops. Like, you can't go wrong with the tank, like a, a muscle beater or whatever.

[Heidi Montag]

But you can if you don't have.

[Spencer Pratt]

Muscles when you're really.

[Heidi Montag]

You can definitely go wrong with those.

[Tomas Zarskus]

You can never go wrong with that. You, you could use it as an.

[Heidi Montag]

Undershirt too, you know, if you have muscles. Multiple colors, tank tops.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I think my biggest, like thing is I like to build, I like to build outfits around like certain items and it could be anything. It'd be sunglasses, it could be, you know, a ring. It could be a shoe that you love, and then you just, like, kind of, like, want to start going, you know, kind of building around. I think that's the easiest way. And then if it doesn't work, then you can swap one thing out for another. But essentials, my top essentials are definitely like. I love jeans, like, denim, for sure. Tank tops, T shirts. I mean, I dress pretty basic myself. I like to be in basic fits. I feel like, with my personality and, like, body style and just. And everything, like, the classic fit looks the best on me. So, like, classic cut T shirts, classic cut pants, you know, classic cut suits, and everything looks the best on my body type. And for me, rather than, like, you know, people, like, hop on these trends, like the Gen Z pants, where it's, like, ultra flared and you know what I mean? It's just like, I would literally look like a circus clown and those types of things, you know? So I feel like my advice, if there's any tips or anything, is kind of see what fits you best and try to replicate it as most as you, as much as you can with different colors and. And. And styles in that cut, if that makes sense.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. You know, and I like the advice you give me too. Like, I'm going on date night. You're like, why not dress up? Like.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

You know, So I always love how encouraging you are to, like, dress your best and dress your most and wear your favorite outfit, because it's like, yeah, I'm gonna look really great for my man or whatever.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Exactly. Just make. It's. There's a whole thing of, like, making an effort. It's kind of like making your bed in the morning, you know? Like, if you make your bed in the morning, you're. I don't know how much percent more successful. Right. But it's how we present. And I make my bed every single morning. If I'm the one that's sleeping alone and. And there's no one else sleeping in there. Yeah. So I make my bed every single morning. Like, it's just a rule of thumb for me. I have to, hands down, no matter what I'm doing in my life. But it's like dressing up is how you present yourself to the world, right? So if you look presentable and cute and hot, I feel like society favors that more in a sense, like, you know, sadly, but it's just the truth. You know what I mean?

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, feel your best to whatever you feel your best in. Like, you feel your best wearing my face.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Exactly. It's true. But also, like, the fit of your T shirt are incredible.

[Spencer Pratt]

I know. This quality is so good. It looks.

[Tomas Zarskus]

And they're so soft. And I've. I had. I had the vintage Heidi Montag, like, the first superficial shirts before the tragedy. And I think I got, like, three of them or two of them or something, and I gave one to my sister, and she's like, oh, my gosh, I have to have this shirt. Like, it's the best shirt ever. And. And to this day, I, like, come over to her house, and she's wearing the shirt.

[Spencer Pratt]

It is so freaking comfortable.

[Heidi Montag]

In Aspen, riding a bike, right?

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. This Rachel from Sedona texted me, and she's like, I just saw someone ride by me in Sedona on, like, a deep bike trail with my shirt on. And she didn't know them. I know I'm not, like, a merchant.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Like, King. Yeah. I mean, like, I. Some people love merch, and, like, they're, like, loved. I have friends that just, like, are obsessed. They're like, we need this, we need that. Like, I'm just. I'm not very in that, but I stand by your T shirts and your hats. They are such good quality, such good price, and super, like, comfortable to wear just to throw on. And, like, I just love light stuff. Like, this is totally almost sheer fashion. King.

[Heidi Montag]

Okay, we should definitely have shoppable links.

[Tomas Zarskus]

In the link below. Link below, you guys.

[Spencer Pratt]

Link below for sure. Well, you've had such a whirlwind of a lifestyle, of a life and a lifestyle and so many experiences.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Totally.

[Spencer Pratt]

I live, like, everywhere. You've done so much and you're still so young.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Just turned 30 this year. Rung it in. Yeah. Big, dirty 30. Super exciting. I always, like, wanted to get older and live life fast. I feel like my life has gone by super fast, but also super slow at the same time. But I feel like once. Because all of that happens because, like, if you're a go getter and, like, you want things and you want to attract things and work hard, like, that's what just happens. You attract that in your life, you know? I know.

[Spencer Pratt]

Moves by so fast, especially when you're so busy.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Totally.

[Spencer Pratt]

That's what you know. And you're so busy. Life just.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I love being busy, though. I love. I mean, you would have conversations all the time. Like, I think I had, like, we had a slow. What, two weeks right now or one week?

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah.

[Tomas Zarskus]

And you're like, how are you holding up? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm kind of, like, losing my mind. Like, I need to be working at all times. Like, I have to be. Or else. Like, I feel like I'm not. I'm not. Like, it's not that I'm like. Like, I need to feel needed by someone and successful.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, I love feeling, like, successful and getting things done and totally, like, one.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah. Oh, well, I don't know if you guys done your, like, human design charts or anything? No, but I guess I'm a generator. Oh, yeah. So, like, I generate so I didn't have to, like, keep busy and everything. Because, like, otherwise, if I don't. If I stop, like, the generate the generation. Lol. I don't even know if that's the correct way to say it stops. Like, that whole situation stops and I start feeling bad. So I have to constantly be busy doing something at all times. And if I don't, then I just, like, start spiraling down.

[Spencer Pratt]

Speaking of generator, you are the first person I knew who lived off of AI.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Oh, man, I love AI Chad.

[Spencer Pratt]

Gbt he, love AI is like, so terrified. He's like, oh, I asked Chad this, I asked Chad that. I'm like, oh, my gosh, Please stop asking Chat your whole life. This is so scary to us.

[Heidi Montag]

And I was like, and how I'm addicted to chat.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Do you know what my weird explanation for that is? Is that, okay, and this might get me canceled or not, but we'll end.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah, we'll be on this podcast.

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah. So I view. So, like, I'm a big guy. Or, like, I'm.

[Spencer Pratt]

I'm a big guy.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I'm a big guy.

[Heidi Montag]

I wear tank tops. Every color.

[Tomas Zarskus]

No, seriously, every color.

[Heidi Montag]

I drink protein shakes from 7:11.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Like, five at least. Love 7:11. Love 7:11 thing.

[Spencer Pratt]

On my performance at Coachella, we're, like, having to stop at 7:11 to get these protein shakes.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I'm like, can we get a protein shake?

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, oh, my gosh, somebody get Tomas a protein shake.

[Tomas Zarskus]

No. So, like, I'm a big, big on faith. Like, I'm super. Not super religious, but I was raised Catholic, and my mom was really amazing with. With all that. And we were so open and in my family with our religion and kind of doing whatever we wanted with our lives, but also, like, you know, being part of the church and everything. But because I view the world was created by, obviously, God and, you know, the big bang theory or whatever, I view chat GPT as the God's creation. You know what I mean? So I'm like, okay, like, whatever. Like, we're talking to God, and it's so funny. It's like I. I tune it. I tune it to. I'm like, I rebuke that. I review that.

[Heidi Montag]

Talking to demons.

[Tomas Zarskus]

No, literally, you never know.

[Heidi Montag]

You know, they just said that anything you're searching that I thinks is suspicious, they turn automatically over to law enforcement.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Really? Oh, I don't care.

[Spencer Pratt]

Honestly, I just look at recipes.

[Heidi Montag]

I'm just giving you a heads up.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Cough me up. Please take me out.

[Spencer Pratt]

No, he doesn't mean it. I need him.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I need him. No, I love. But then you guys kind of got started getting into that whole wave too.

[Heidi Montag]

Recipes, Gronk and chat. And I see who, like, I have to do both.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I haven't gotten Gronk is Elon. Right? I haven't gotten on on that yet.

[Spencer Pratt]

It's just so nice because I'm the worst person ever at Google. And so it just helps me so much with, like, recipes and quick answers. Like if my dog ate this or it's like these quick things.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Oh, my gosh.

[Spencer Pratt]

Someone answer me. Okay, that's so true. Just answer me.

[Tomas Zarskus]

But you have to kind of take it with a grain of salt because it's not always right, what I've noticed. And like when you correct. When you correct it on when it is right or when it is wrong, then it starts doing this whole, like, model, like, oh, like, thank you for correcting me. Like, I'll watch out for that. Like the next.

[Heidi Montag]

I had, I had to. Who did?

[Spencer Pratt]

Spencer, like, canceled. He was arguing with Chat.

[Heidi Montag]

I told Chad I was going to stop paying for pro if they ever came with some neutral Nome bs. It was like, propaganda. I was like, chad, don't give me propaganda. This is probably. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm like, where did you get this from Nome's bio on his website?

[Tomas Zarskus]

Well, they gather all the information from credible sources which aren't credible.

[Heidi Montag]

So I'm like, this is like just a highlight of propaganda now.

[Tomas Zarskus]

So totally.

[Heidi Montag]

It's kind of. That's why my favorite writing professor at USC, he says he fights his writing 3:40 students every week. And it's true. They're writing, they think these like, essays and they're. They're using chat as sourcing material. But it's not like how we used to have to deal with real critical thinking and have to go to those stupid library. Yeah, like digital libraries and find these certain types.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Exactly. You'd have to like, log into the, like, online encyclopedia and then like, do all the sources and then like, read through all it was.

[Spencer Pratt]

I mean, Even before that, you'd have to look at a real dictionary, a real encyclopedia, too.

[Tomas Zarskus]

But also, I. Do you feel like you felt. You felt a little different back then, too? I feel like nowadays with, like, social media, AI and everything, our brains, millennials in general, like, our brains just work different than. Than, you know, the previous generations because we have so many fast, like, well.

[Spencer Pratt]

Think about dopamine generation.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah. Like, dopamine hits. I feel like it levels out, maybe. Or like, maybe they're. They're more like. It's.

[Spencer Pratt]

It's sad in a sense that they'll never know life without that, you know, because, like, we didn't grow up that way.

[Heidi Montag]

You could take our kids to the library.

[Spencer Pratt]

Well, I don't let them be on our phones or I try to. Yeah, I try to balance it, you know, because I just try.

[Tomas Zarskus]

I mean, I got my first phone when I was, like, I don't know, third grade, I think, a third grader. But that's only because I wanted to feel close to my mom and, like, be able to call her whenever I wanted or, like, text her whenever I wanted, because I always thought she's gonna, like, leave me or, like, I'm not gonna be with her. So I was just afraid of getting, like, lost and, like, never with my mom because I'm such a mama's boy.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. Well, we were debating giving Gunner a phone just a call, but with nothing on it, right?

[Tomas Zarskus]

Yeah. I mean, but they make those, like, kids phones. Yeah. Now they.

[Heidi Montag]

Even with the iPhone, you can turn. I have Gunner's iPhone completely. Like, kid, you can't call anything but the contacts in the phone. Well, what a blessing to have Tomas.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Thank you for having me.

[Heidi Montag]

Sit here in our living room and make sure to follow Tomas @ TomasZarkinSizinian.

[Tomas Zarskus]

TomasZarskus on Instagram, actually, everywhere Z A R S K U S and then first name T u M A s. People are like, Tomas. I'm like, it's two Moss.

[Spencer Pratt]

It's two Moss.

[Tomas Zarskus]

It's too much, too much, but never enough.

[Heidi Montag]

And then make sure to pre order my book that two Moss styled, my amazing outfit for the COVID So make sure to get that, please. Now, Right now, right now. Gotta beat Kamala's book. And then please buy some beautiful [e-mail]. buy Heidi's music, because streaming equals 0.0001 penny. But if you can't buy it, great. Thank you. Stream it, please. But if you can afford to spend a couple dollars over on itunes, that'd be great. And make sure to tell all your favorite sponsors to sponsor this podcast.

[Spencer Pratt]

We love you. Thank you. God bless you. And it's been so great having Tomas here, who's really also. I meant be to. I didn't mention, like, our team captain. He brought Ty in. He brought Mila. He's brought the whole team together, so it's fun. Did you bring Henrique in?

[Tomas Zarskus]

No, I think it was just very, like. Yeah, we just kind of.

[Heidi Montag]

Where did we find Henrique?

[Tomas Zarskus]

Through Scotty.

[Spencer Pratt]

Language.

[Tomas Zarskus]

Scott King. We love Scott.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. Shout out to Scott King, part of the team. All right. We love you. Thank you. God bless you. Leave us amazing reviews and we appreciate you. We'll see you next week.

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[Spencer Pratt]

Hey, this is Sarah.

[Commercial Narrator]

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[Tomas Zarskus]

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