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Painting for Change and a Safer Future, One Crosswalk at a Time with Jonny Hale
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Welcome back to the Fame Game. The star of the show herself is gracing us with her beauty, her just superpowers. My angel wife, Heidi. Global pop star Montag. Today's special guest. I was DM'd. His content, probably more than anything I've ever been sent. And the second I saw it I was like, we need to get him on the podcast. So I know very little about anything except for what he does publicly. But it ends up just why we're setting up the mics. We got, like, a real legend background. So Johnny here is a Berkeley journalist from, you know, from California. He went to University of Berkeley as part of the newspaper. So that I was wondering how he had this, like, energy. So, kids, if you're listening, get good grades, be part of the newspaper. He's now about to graduate law school. I. Hopefully we can bring him on the team. You can never have enough lawyers when you're fighting corruption. But I will tell you, the video that went viral, that is why he's sitting in this chair. And he can give us more detail about it, because I'm sure I don't even have the exact info. There are crosswalks all over Los Angeles that the paint has completely faded and drivers cannot see them. And there's been multiple fatalities in these certain crosswalks that the city has not painted. So this legend right here goes. And repaints the crosswalks. And he was arrested by the Los Angeles Police Department. You can interrupt now because maybe you were just detained, but it looked like an arrest. So. Boom. There's your intro.
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Female Host
Welcome to the Fame game.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah. So a little bit about me. I'm from the Bay Area originally. I did go to Berkeley. I. I originally wanted to work as a journalist. I did some work in journalism, freelance photography. And then I decided I wanted to come to law school, and that's what brought me to Los Angeles. So I've been here about a year and a half. As far as crosswalks, I wanted to get involved. I saw the world changing around me. I saw things like the Palisades fire happening and affecting our community. And I thought, what can I do instead of focusing on these bigger problems that I don't have the agency to change, what can I actually do with my own hands to make a difference in my community? And I saw this group called the Crosswalk Collective. They'd been doing this around LA for a few years. And I reached out to them and I learned how they did their thing, went out with them to paint a crosswalk. And I realized that the city was actually removing crosswalks. So it was like this game of Whack a mole. And I thought, what if we set this up so we paint a crosswalk and then the city removes it? And when the city removes it, we'll use the moment to draw attention to the issue and highlight how the city is underserving its residents when it comes to street safety, public safety. So that's exactly what we did. In May and early June, we went out and painted crosswalks at Stoner park, which is a popular park over in Sawtel. And we were pretty quiet about it when we did it. And our plan was to paint the crosswalks at this park and then wait a little while and then tell the media about it and just kind of see what would happen. Because we figured that the city would have to remove the crosshawks once they knew about it. And we wanted to use that to make our point about this. We chose Stoner park because, I mean, me personally, I go to Stoner Park a lot. It's a great community. Third space. It's a place where you go to hang out that's not work or home. There's a rec center, there's a public pool. There's a lot of schools nearby that use the recreational facilities because they don't have fields. And it's a great community space where there's often a lot of kids and pets. And so we felt that it could use some improvements to make the streets safer. So we did that. We painted crosswalks at all four corners of the park. And after two months, I leaked the story to the media. I went to the Westside Current, which is a local paper, and I was basically like, hey, look at what we did. And then they published a story about it. This was in mid, late late July. And after the Westside Current published their story, the local outlets kind of ate it up. So it went like pretty locally viral, I would say. And within a couple of days, the city removed it. They removed all the crosswalks outside Stoner Park. And then after that, I was basically, I put out a statement, I rallied my neighbors and I was basically like, hey, look, we want to understand why this decision got made, why this was a priority for the city. And if the city doesn't put out some sort of statement, I'm basically going to do it again because the community supports me in this. And the city repainted official crosswalks at Stoner park within a week. Because of that, we continued painting crosswalks around, around la. At one point, we painted crosswalks at the corner of 4th and New Hampshire and Koreatown, where a 9 year old boy was killed by an intoxicated RV driver. And that was a corner that we did some research and we found out that there had been plans for a roundabout since 2011, and those plans had been funded since 2015 and nothing had been done. So we painted a crosswalk there, basically to protest for change. And that led to the council district installing a traffic circle, which they're going to upgrade to a roundabout. So we've continued doing this. We started to engage in talks with the mayor's office. We would love to see the implementation of some sort of tactical urbanism citizen volunteering program to make the streets safer. It's important to note that we're not changing anything legally, so we're painting crosswalks where they already exist under the California vehicle code. A crosswalk exists at the intersection of two roads. So there's a crosswalk regardless of where it's marked. And you saw this because. Actually, so I got arrested. And then that same week, LAPD was setting people up on Ventura Boulevard. That was another clip that went viral where people were crossing the street. It was undercover cops crossing the street, and they were technically in a crosswalk because it was the intersection of a side street and Ventura Boulevard. But it wasn't marked. There was no lines on the street, no signal, nothing like that. And LAPD was ticketing these people because technically you're supposed to yield in a crosswalk. And there was a crosswalk. So that's an example of what a crosswalk is. It exists regardless of if it's there. But we were only focusing on residential roads with four way stops and doing it because, you know, it's something benign. Like, I. I think we want to argue that anything that's in the road that makes pedestrians more visible is going to keep people safe. I think we'd like to see more improvements in the future. We'd like to see things like speed bumps or traffic circles or curb bull bouts, basically narrowing the road at the intersection so that cars have to slow when they approach the corner. And I think those are all feasible things that we could do in collaboration with the city through some sort of civic engagement program. And I think that's the ultimate goal of this.
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Female Host
Why are they covering up the crosswalks that you guys are making? What is their logic? What have they said?
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Johnny Shott
So there's a few reasons. I mean, you know, I'm not going to sugarcoat my actions like, this was vandalism, this was graffiti, I didn't get a permit. The official stated rationale is. Actually, I don't know if there is one official rationale. There's a few reasons. Okay, so one is ADA compliance. Technically, when you add stripes to a crosswalk, when you make those sort of modifications to the Roadway, you have to have ADA compliant curb cuts. And what that involves is either installing the ramp where it doesn't exist, or where ramp does exist, adding a detectable warning surface, or dws, which is like the yellow bumpy pad. The crosswalks that we painted don't have DWSS at the corners, which is interesting because the city installed crosswalks at Stoner park without adding the DWs at the corners. Their rationale was that there was already plans and funding to revamp those corners and add sidewalks to areas of the park that didn't have them. So that's one rationale. Another rationale is that painting crosswalks invites liability because people may be under the illusion that it's safe to cross the street if they see a crosswalk. And our response to that is we should be encouraging people to get outside and walk and cross the street safely. And anything that makes pedestrians more visible will make it safer for them. And I think about. I have a neighbor who I often see at Stoner park who's visually impaired. And I think about her. She's not crossing the street because there's markings on the road. She's crossing the street because she needs to get to where she needs to go. And anything, any marking that illustrates her presence to cars will make her safer. So that's. That's our response to that. But that's. That's the rationale for removing them.
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Male Host
Well, why this story hit my heart strings so much is, before our house burned down on this street, there were people using the hiking trail up here, and they were driving like they were going to Runyon Canyon, and they were 50 miles. Like, this was west, like. And we used to joke, you're into ourselves, like, dark humor. You are speeding to go. These aren't like triathletes getting out of the car. They're going on slow walks. So it's not like there's. You're. You know, I get it if you're, like, a fast person, but they would be speeding by. So Heidi kept on just for 100ft. Yeah, just from here to the trail.
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Female Host
Right there, you know.
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Male Host
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Female Host
Speed bumps off of Amazon.
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Male Host
Multiple speed bumps, and made, like, where this should be an area where there should be speed bumps. Because, you know, there's like, an open way where people then just like, almost floor it up because they think, oh, there's no cops. But, you know, there's not just our kids coming out of houses. There's people's pets. And so she put Speed bumps. And the LAPD came to our house, knocked on the door, and said, if we don't remove the speed bumps, we were going to get. I don't even know what the threat. I don't want to misquote the. But something bad, whatever it was. And it was like, so it's pretty serious. So we had to remove these things that we were watching. Everyone was slowing down, and if they weren't on this first one, by the time they hit the second one.
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Female Host
Well, first I started with cones in the street. I would like to take credit for the la cone thing that happened. But first I put those out because people were, yeah, going by so fast, and there are a lot of people walking here. And the problem with wanting things from the city is, I'm sure, is what you're experiencing. It takes forever. And sometimes you don't have that much time to wait to file a permit to do this. Like, lives are at stake. Anything can happen. You guys don't care. As the city, it doesn't affect your life, but it's affecting the. My everyday life, your everyday life, people in the community's everyday life. It should definitely be a priority. Safety, right? People's safety. So I had those, like, little turtle signs out with the flags, and I'd put them, like, in the street. Like, people would have to get out and move in. But I'm like, well, you shouldn't be going that fast. Whatever the legal blockage anyways, I got away with that for a long time. But it's so frustrating dealing with someone with the city. But it seems like some kind of task force in your situation should be allowed by the city. Like, okay, here's the guidelines, because you're not, like you said, creating new crosswalks. They're existing crosswalks that need to be more visible for people. And I've seen some of the videos, too, where it's just so faded that cars can't see. So it's like you're expecting people to cross this dangerous intersection, which, by the way, I run with my kids. I pick them up. I run through crosswalks. They're so incredibly dangerous. So many accidents happen that way. So we should be protected by the city in crossing the street.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah.
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Johnny Shott
Well, I think you bring up a great point. I mean, I saw an ad on a bus stop bench and it said that guns are the leading cause of death for kids in America. And I realized that's not true in Los Angeles. And Los Angeles, cars are the leading cause of death for kids ages 2 to 14. And that's what happens when we don't make physical changes to the roadway to cause people to slow down. I think you also bring up a great point, which was we did crosswalks because it's benign, but crosswalks don't actually slow down people from driving. I think you need physical, physical deflections. Your vertical deflections, which are speed bumps and then horizontal deflections which are things like traffic circles and roundabouts. And those are things that physically slow down cars when they. When they go through a neighborhood and prevent speeding and by consequence, save the lives of children. So I think that's. That's a great point that you bring up.
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Male Host
New banging fact statistic that needs to be on some bus stops. We need to get some funding for you. The one thing I always. That actually helped me because sometimes crosswalks, Boom. Like, now, what a good point. Because I watched that viral video, and I was like, whoa, these undercover cops are. Because it looked like, you know, it's two. It's a fast highway. You'd never think the pedestrian had that right away. You know, as a driver, if you don't know vehicle code, like, ace your test, you would think, like, what's this person doing crossing through four lanes of Ventura Boulevard? But the most helpful thing that I feel like is more basic are the. The flashing ones, especially at night, like on Wilshire Boulevard, all those ones that, like, flash. When people feel like they do help more than any. Like, so how much I feel like they need to put more of those in.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, I think there's plenty of changes that you can make to the design of a roadway to make it safer for. For people and for drivers. One thing that's interesting is people will drive as fast as the road allows. Right. And that's why people speed so much on streets like Olympic, on Wilshire. On streets like this one, if the road is wide, people are going to drive fast. And so you actually have to put physical things in place that will slow them down. I. I also think you get a lot of pushback from drivers who will say, like, oh, you know, won't a roundabout won't. You know, narrowing the lanes is another example. Narrowing the lens is a great example because that physically forces people to pay more attention and slow down. And I think people's pushback is. Won't things. Won't these things increase traffic? Won't they make it harder for drivers? And the reality is it doesn't actually make things that much harder, because when you're moving from light to light, your average speed is only like 15, 20 miles an hour, especially if you're on a street like Wilshire or Olympic. And so a change like a roundabout or narrower lanes will make the road safer without really sacrificing that much commute time for people. And in the end, I think if we're talking about a couple of minutes on people's commutes versus, like, the cost of Building a society around cars and optimal car travel. We're talking about people's lives, you know, people like, like Nadir, this child that was killed. So that's the way I see those choices. And I really think the city could be doing more to protect pedestrians and cyclists.
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Male Host
Are there in any district, are there any city council people that are getting behind you from any of these areas that are like, we support this. We're going to fight across the border. Is there no city council members at all that have worked with you or.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, I think the response has been mixed. You know, I do really appreciate. I'll give a shout out to Heather Hutt. Her district includes the corner of 4th and New Hampshire and Koreatown. And to their credit, they did meet with us and they got that traffic circle installed pretty much right away. You know, Katie Yarasofsky brought up the crosswalks in the meeting on the budget the other week, which was interesting. I think people really want to see this through, so I'd be more than willing to work with city council on this.
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Female Host
It just seems like a no brainer. Like, it's not anything that's controversial or something that needs to be pushed back or, you know, within the level of reason for serving pedestrians and people. I mean, everyone walks. Yeah, everyone has to cross the street. So that is something that affects every single person's life.
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Male Host
I think it's probably the city's broke, you know, like, I bet that's a big factor. At least they're always everybody. Anything I hear about is like, no budget, no money. You know, with the dog rescue stuff is the shelters. So. But then you hear them going and painting over. You're like, well, you have enough budget to cover up what we did and prioritize that. That's. I mean, that's.
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Female Host
So now it's all a sudden a priority. It's like, oh, we'll get around to that next year, I would think, or whatever. Is there a proposal, like creating a task force like you have that they would work with? Is that something that's possible? Like, hey, you can do this within your community. Here's the guidelines. You know, we could have a quick turnaround. Is there anything like that that's been talked about?
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, that's a great question. When we met with the mayor's office, I actually, I wrote a white paper basically saying, like, here's the legal mechanism for allowing us to do it. We would close down the street with the same permit that you would use to host a block party, basically, and then just paint Crosswalks. In the meantime, there's other examples throughout the United States of successful tactical urbanism programs. It's the case in Richmond. They've legalized guerrilla benches at bus stops. Chattanooga, Tennessee, of all places, has a very successful tactical urbanism program. Nashville, you know, this is la. I think we could be a nationwide leader on this. And to your point, I think what we're doing, this tactical urbanism thing, we're not going to paint every corner in la. We're not going to even come close. And this is more about bringing people together in community. Community and showing people that they can make an impact in their community. There's certain stuff we can't do, like we can't repave the streets. Louisiana does have a program for that. We have, we passed measure HLA. This is this ballot measure that passed with about 2/3 of the vote. And the goal of HLA was to implement the city's mobility plan, basically to make the streets safer by doing things like adding curb ramps or crosswalks, bike lanes, stuff like that. And the city is just not implementing hla. Their argument is it's just going to cost a lot of money to do these things. And the fact of the matter is it will. But the counter is that it's going to cost a lot of money to settle the liability lawsuits when people die because our infrastructure is deficient. I'll give you an example. The city has stopped repaving its streets. The city has not repaved a single street since July because repaving streets would trigger measure hla. Basically, when they repave the streets, they have to add the curb ramps and the crosswalks and the bike lanes that the law requires that people voted for with the 2/3 margin. And that leaves everybody worse off. Right? So I think it's a lot of things, like we want to do something on a community level, but we also want to raise awareness of these issues, like the city not doing enough to protect pedestrians and cyclists and move into the future. And I think doing those things is. It's something that the city should do to protect its people. And also it makes financial sense in the long term because people are going to sue when they inevitably get hit by cars or injured because of deficient infrastructure.
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Female Host
And we're not a city that is covered in snow in the winter. This is California. Everyone is outside, kids are playing. People are out here 24, 7. That's why they live here. It's a very active outdoor state. And so it seems like it should be a top priority for for the state and for the cities.
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Male Host
What about the World cup and the Olympics coming? I feel like there's going to be the most pedestrians ever. And then like you bring up liability. What happens if someone from, you know, Brazil comes here to watch Brazil play in the World cup and they get killed in a, you know, God forbid in a street that's crosswalks not visible or you know, so that's another factor if they want to host these major events and we can't even guarantee our own foot traffic safety. We're going to add how many people running through the streets that don't even know our can't read our signs to begin with and you know, different languages, so that's even a bigger thing. And gosh, that's wild about these. They haven't repaved one thing since July. And the most interesting part is I hear so much about, you know, with the SB79 we need more density and we need to be building these higher buildings all over everywhere and put more housing. But if you add more housing and higher density now we got even more foot traffic in these streets. So I feel like they need to get that infrastructure where people are can be safer on these sidewalks. And so that's, that's crazy about since July.
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Johnny Shott
You know, just a disclaimer. I don't know if you saw this like when you went on my page, but I did a lot of work to get SB79 passed. Like I am a big supporter.
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Male Host
I didn't. Great, good for you. But it should come with like that's my point. So if SC SB 79, it did get passed.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah.
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Male Host
Now it should be a priority to make these streets safer for that density.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, I think, you know, the Olympics is a great example. Paris is a good comparison. Paris has done a ton of work to make itself a bike friendly, pedestrian friendly city. They've done things like create safe school zones. I think safe bike routes to schools would be incredible and that would also mean less traffic. Right. Think about every kid that's riding a bike to school is one less parent in the drop off line. You know, in terms of density, I think LA could frankly do a lot more with density. The density of Paris is about five times the density of Santa Monica. And we think about Santa Monica as one of the densest places in LA county. I mean Santa Monica could double or triple its density and it would still be nowhere near what Paris is. So I do think we have a lot of room to improve there as far as, you know, making LA a pedestrian cyclist Friendly city for the Olympics. You're exactly right. I think this is a. This could be a bicycle paradise. Certain parts of it, like, I think downtown, I think Venice, you know, parts of mid city. Like, I love riding my bicycle. I love it because it's flat, it's beautiful outside. I really get to experience the city for all its beautiful imperfections. You know, I love feeling the wind in my hair and, you know, getting around town like that. So.
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Male Host
So, I don't know. Under a helmet? Yeah, yeah, Just making sure. This is a helmet.
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Johnny Shott
Yes, helmet.
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Female Host
There's a helmet on his bike.
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Male Host
Oh, there we go. So the bike. Tell us more about. Is that the segue into the future of. Of la? More bikes?
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, I mean, you know, I drive, I have a car. I don't enjoy driving all the time. Just, you know, I don't. I don't like to experience the city through a windshield. Am I the first guest who's biked here?
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Female Host
Yes, you are the first and the.
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Male Host
Last guest who bike here.
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Female Host
Actually, there were a lot of bikes that would come up here. This was like a cycling area.
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Male Host
That's why you put the speed bump.
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Female Host
Yeah.
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Male Host
Not just our kids. You couldn't see the bikers coming up or going down. And I said, someone is 100 gonna die on this street because the cars were coming. So we're talking like this was their way to like, ooh, no cops. Let me just gas it. And so, you know, that's one positive. And now there's no houses, so there's nobody driving up here. Because now no one can die on a bike. You were probably. Actually, there's probably a lot of trucks. You almost got hit by a truck.
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Female Host
What do you think are the top five main issues in LA right now? What do you think needs to be the priority?
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Male Host
If you have the magic, like, I'm gonna save LA Wand budget, come in, you know, change any policies, disclaimer that.
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Johnny Shott
I haven't lived here for that long. I'm young. Well, I think LA is unaffordable. It's too hard to build new housing. It's too hard to build new transit networks. It's too hard for small business owners. City government is too disconnected from the needs of the people.
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Female Host
Yeah.
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Male Host
Boom. But do you feel safe in LA riding around your bike?
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Johnny Shott
I mean, like, riding around, you know, I don't know, live by the sword, die by the sword. I've been hit by a car twice.
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Male Host
No, I mean by, like, I mean by human beings, like outside of cars, like on the streets.
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Johnny Shott
Do you feel it's mostly inside of cars. I mean, I'm way more likely to get hit by a car than like, you know, mugged or whatever.
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Female Host
Yeah, I would agree. I would think so.
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Male Host
A lot of bike theft in la.
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Female Host
Did you grow up riding where in.
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Johnny Shott
In the Bay Area. In the Bay Area, yeah, for sure. So I grew up like in Silicon Valley in a town called Los Altos. And I went to high school in San Jose. So I grew up taking the train, taking the bus in high school. My football number senior year was 52 because I took the 52 and the 522 bus and yeah, I love, love, just never had a car growing up, decided I didn't want one. I got a motorcycle when I was in college and that was like my first form of transit, so. So I'm a big two wheel aficionado, you know, and I did eventually get a car and I realized I just, I really like being outside. You know, I love, I love the self reliance. I love the fact that I can get anywhere, fix any problem with tools that I have on me. Never have to wait in traffic, never have to worry about parking. Riding a bike's pretty awesome. You know, I think cars have uses, but.
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Female Host
Who taught you how to ride a bike?
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Johnny Shott
My dad.
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Female Host
Well, we gotta put that on the list for our children.
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Male Host
We'll work on that.
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Female Host
You know, it's hard to teach kids to ride a bike.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah.
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Male Host
If they don't want to.
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Female Host
If they don't want, if there's like.
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Male Host
Some kids are in the bikes, like, Right. My parents didn't have to like, I wanted to do it.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah. I'll actually, I got into bikes more as an adult. You know, like when I was a kid, I was like, I rode my bike, I rode my bike to school here and there. But I was also, oh, this is lame. You know, I don't want to. All my friends have cars. Yeah, I want to. And you know, that was buy me a car. And then I, when I got older I realized that that was kind of an immature way of looking at the world. And you know, I have a car and doesn't bring me the same joy that my bicycle does.
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Female Host
I love that. What is your goal in life? What kind of lawyer do you want to be? What's your hopes and dreams?
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Johnny Shott
That's a good question. I mean, I have to.
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Male Host
Yeah, no pressure.
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Johnny Shott
I'll have to figure that out. I think it would be great if I could keep working on housing policy, solving the affordability crisis in Los Angeles, you know, helping, helping develop Robust transit networks, bike networks, public transit, all that stuff. Those are some of the problems that I want to work on as a lawyer.
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Male Host
Is that something at UCLA Law, they have like a specialty, like, or is it just like. Or you just do law. But is there like a specific type of law that you can like, you take special classes in or is it just. No, it's all the same.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah. I think something that does happen in law school is people get too caught up in problems that are too big for them to solve and then they grow pessimistic and then they give up. And for me, I'm kind of, I feel like I'm kind of betting on myself. You know, I'm 25, you know, I want to build a future that I can afford to live in. And for me, that's going to look like fighting for more housing to get built.
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Female Host
So what are the benefits of SB79 and how is that going to benefit Los Angeles? And why did you feel so passionate about it?
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, so, you know, to back up a little, SB 79 is a bill that upzones residential neighborhoods. Zoning is the idea that neighborhoods should be regulated by the things that you can do on the land that you own. So in a lot of LA, in about 75% of residential land, the only thing that you're allowed to build is a single family home on a large lot. And the neighborhoods where you can build apartments have typically been lower income, underserved neighborhoods. And zoning was historically a tool for segregation. It was basically like if you want to live in an apartment, you have to live in these neighborhoods. If you want to live in a single family home, you can live in these neighborhoods. And people can't always afford single family homes. So it kept certain neighborhoods segregated and exclusive. What sb79 does is it up zones within half mile of major transit stops. So for instance, around the D line, which is coming all the way to the va, around the E line, which goes from East LA to Santa Monica, I think those will be the big areas affected. And it affects heavy rail. So like subways, the B and the D lines, light rail, and then also rapid bus stops. So say the G line which goes through the San Fernando Valley, it's a grade separated rapid bus stop or the J line which connects downtown la, I think it goes up to El Monte and, and Long Beach. So that's what what SB79 does and what it allows is it says okay, in those areas you can build between six and nine stories, depending on the type of transit. So you can build More housing, taller buildings around, say, a subway stop and less around, say, a bus rapid transit stop. Now, SB79 doesn't mandate that that sort of housing gets built. It only says you're allowed to. So right now, the only thing that you're allowed to build in a lot of these areas is a single family home. And that's what kept some of these areas unaffordable. SB79 changes this by allowing denser development so that people won't have to rely on cars. They'll be able to go downstairs, go to the subway, get on the subway and go to, say, downtown LA or mid Wilshire, areas like that. Some of the analysis has suggested that SB79 has unlocked about a million and a half new units of housing in Los Angeles. And I think that's going to be critical. That stuff that was illegal would have been illegal to build. And now it's not that it's going to get built, but it's no longer illegal. So previously there was like this mandate that if you're going to build, it has to be a single family house. And now that's no longer the case. And I'm really excited. First, personally, for me, I would love to live in an apartment where I can not have to worry about having a car, where I can take transit and be connected to my job.
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Johnny Shott
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Female Host
Does it endanger certain communities, though? Because like with the Palisades fire, now that high density buildings can be put here, like the evacuation was already such a crisis and people, I mean, 12 people died that day. Like the. I have friends, multiple friends who had to run and park their cars, you know, with their children and everything like that. So it seems like the evacuation was already a complete disaster as it was then. If you add more buildings and more people, it just seems like more people would have died and had more of a disaster area.
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Male Host
Well, thanks to. I'll give myself credit, you know, for this for fighting SB79, they did amend it and add high fire zone restrictions. And they would also argue the Palisades is not close enough to a major transit line, even though there's now going to be a bus depot at the Gladstone's parking lot. So that's still kind of in the air. But technically it shouldn't apply to fire. Fire. Fire zones is. It was the argument. So that is what. Do you know who would love this podcast so much is Connor Doherty at the New York Times, because he. When I asked him your question, he said, well, people should evacuate on bicycles and on foot.
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Female Host
There's the bike.
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Male Host
Yeah.
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Female Host
So I don't think I can evacuate with two children.
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Male Host
That is the argument of, you know, some SB 79 people. They want people to literally evacuate on, like, they think it's easier to go up from the highlands on foot, you know, so.
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Female Host
But was that an issue? Yeah. So obviously that cleared that.
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Johnny Shott
So, Yeah, I mean, SB79, let's be clear, does not apply to the Palisades, even without the fire carve out, which I think is good. I don't think density is always good. Yeah. Especially in areas like we're right next to the hills. But as of right now, SB79 does not apply to the Palisades. You know, as far as rebuilding and evacuation, I think that's a good question. I think with the density that we had, people were already struggling to evacuate because this is a neighborhood with a lot of winding roads and few exit points. So if we rebuild things exactly the way things were and another fire happens, people are still going to be struggling to evacuate. You know, it's, it's, it's tough with regards to bicycles. I actually came up here when the fires were burning. I was here on January 8, 2025, on my bicycle because that was the only way to get in and out. And, you know, not that everybody can ride bikes, but if we are talking about ways to evacuate, that was something I was able to do that I wouldn't have been able to do in a car. So, you know, I'm not saying that that's something that everybody should do, but it's, it's a fair point. You know, bicycles are an efficient way.
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Male Host
Of getting around from your knowledge, because it's very clear that you're very knowledgeable about this. In with a bus depot at the Gladstone's Lot, does that potentially make SB79 apply regardless of the fire zone?
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, for sure. Well, do bus rapid transit stops stop there?
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Male Host
I, I couldn't. I'm Potentially. My point is, yeah, anything's possible once you have that type of infrastructure.
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Johnny Shott
Right.
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Male Host
Couldn't they add a new line? Like, oh, well, now we have this, we can run this through. You know. My point is, is open the door to a potential situation.
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Johnny Shott
If bus rapid transit was serving that area, then what that would mean is it would mean that you're able to build up to six stories within walking distance, basically. And that would allow people to have access to bus rapid transit to, to, to get to their workplaces. I would have to look into the specific lines and see if they applied because not all bus rapid transit is created equally. I think in this case we're talking about bus rapid transit that's most similar to a light rail. So the examples of the G line through the San Fernando Valley and the J line, those are the examples that I think would apply for bus rapid transit. I'm not, I'm not aware of any lines going to the Palisades.
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Male Host
When you say walking distance, there's people that are very athletic that can walk a lot farther and there's people like, what is that when they say walking distance is walking distance. A mile is walking, hummingbird is two miles. What's the. Do they have like a gauge of what? Walking distance? Kind of.
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Johnny Shott
So SB79 up zones within a half mile. I think a half mile is a pretty reasonable walk.
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Male Host
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a pattern. I'm getting in shape here. How fast are we walking?
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Female Host
It's interesting that, you know, I'm from a really small town in Colorado and affordable housing is actually a crisis there because none of the people who work there can live there. You know, I came from a really hard working family and you know, middle class family for sure. Thank you mom and dad for all the hard work and everything you do. And it's been really hard for them to, to buy a house or anything there as well. But it seems to be a crisis kind of everywhere now because the economy is so extreme. You have these billionaires who have so much money and it seems like they've increased the value and the prices of, of everything. So it's an interesting concept that seems to affect everyone everywhere.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, I think it's, it's really hard for, you know, for, for people to achieve home ownership. Do you happen to know the cost of the average cost of a house in LA?
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Female Host
2 million?
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Johnny Shott
Yeah. Yeah, it's 1.1 million.
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Male Host
Yeah. Which, and we're talking respectfully growing up in LA. If you looked at what that 1.2 million houses. That's a $300,000 house. When I, you know, when you look at it, if like in my brain that's still. I don't want to say girl math. That's Spencer math. You know, like, I see that what's a million two is. Should be a $300,000.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah.
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Male Host
Like my parents got their house in the Palisades, which was a 5,000 square foot house on the bluffs looking at ocean views, and I think it was $400,000.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, I mean, you know, I think that's because 70 years ago there were parts of LA that were still orange groves. Right. And since then we just haven't built enough housing. Housing is a tricky issue. It's something that tends to break people's brains because they don't see it as an issue that's affected by supply and demand. I think, let's say I manufacture widgets, okay? Let's say I have 100 widgets and it's really hard to build widgets because of things like SQL and permitting. I'm totally fine with that as somebody owns a ton of widgets like a big investor, because that means it's harder for other people to challenge my share of the market. Now if we make changes to the rules around building widgets, building housing, it makes it easier for other people, smaller companies, to build housing or widgets, and compete with me. So I think something that kind of trips people out is the more housing we build, the lower the rent is for everybody. Even if it's not always the housing that we might, even if it's luxury housing. Basically the moral of the story is we need to build more. There's also this idea that big institutional investors control a lot of the market, which is true, but I think that those investors tend to be against reform reforms that make it easier to build housing, because if rents drop, so do their profits. So I think one of the things that we can do to address the affordability crisis is make it easier to build housing through things like upzoning, permitting reform, CEQA reform, stuff like that.
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Male Host
Speaking of permitting, this is why we're standing in sitting in dirt and not some like wood pilings, rebuilding our house. Because this house, before the fire did not have caissons. I call them pilings, but I think they're called caissons. But they go all the way to the bedrock, which are now required because of new permits or zone. You know, whatever the lingo is. This house didn't have it for 40 years. It was fine. Multiple earthquakes was fine. But now we need a million two in caissons to go into the ground before we could even start building. And to me, the city is fine with letting my house burn down. Like we're literally in a lawsuit. And they say, oh yeah, we're not responsible for your house burning down. You, your house could just burn down. So why would that same city care how I rebuild the house? It's back to, there'd be so many more houses being built right now just in the Palisades if all these new things that they've added have made it so a lot of people can't rebuild. So as how I didn't actually look on your IG page, but since I do know of IG pages that are just completely anti SB79, what is their. What does the OP say about you?
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Johnny Shott
People accuse us of being bought out by greedy developers. And that goes back to the point I said that building more housing is against the developers interest interests. If greedy developers were really supporting us, we would have had an easier time at it. I mean, when we were trying to pass SB79, I was taking the Metro, I was talking to people on the subway, I was talking to people on group rides, getting all these just random ordinary Angelenos to call their state representatives and tell them to vote yes on this bill. And it actually works. And I'm, I'm proud of the fact that it was a bunch of ordinary people. And I think that's one misconception that people, people have. The other is that I'm not. This works. This has worked in other cities. Houston, for example, is a city that doesn't have zoning at all. And that's allowed Houston to solve its homelessness crisis by building a lot of housing, by focusing on building those units. Minneapolis is another city that has enacted zoning reform and seen prices drop in comparison to incomes. But you know, ultimately, like all these numbers and stats, I'm, I'm 25. I care because I'm betting on my future. I want to live in a world that's affordable. I want to live in a city that's clean, doesn't have smog in the air, where I can take transit to get around and ride my bike. That's the future I want. And that's why I care so deeply about this.
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Female Host
I think it's important and that's what we learned about the situation we're in, to be proactive and to be productive and to, you know, involve yourself in whatever community that you're in and whatever city. So, you know, keep up the Great work with. With all the hard work that you're doing. And, you know, as a mom, I really do appreciate the crosswalks, and I hope there's something that we can do and some kind of task force would be incredible to take the pressure off of them and the financial frustration, whatever they're saying or feeling. And it seems like there's some kind of solution to be able to just put paint and save people's lives with paint on a crosswalk.
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Johnny Shott
Well, if we could go back to that, you know our name, People's Vision Zero. Vision Zero was this idea that we were going to have zero pedestrian deaths by 2025. We committed this in 2015. And over those 10 years, thousands of people died, basically because of a lack of enthusiasm, pushback from neighborhood groups. And it turned out that people were just okay with kids dying on the streets because they didn't want to add a few minutes to their commute because they thought there was going to be traffic, their parking spot was going to be taken away, or whatever.
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Female Host
Well, for whatever leaders in la, it's an important issue and it's something that definitely needs to be prioritized and addressed because. Because it is literally, as you said, the leading cause of death that is important for our community, for our children. We all wanna protect our children. We all wanna protect our lives as we're crossing the street. It just seems like a basic human priority and. Right. So thank you for doing that and bringing that awareness as well.
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Male Host
One thing back to the SB 79 that they would always say, and I love to hear your perspective, critics would say that these developers do it because after a certain amount of time, they can, you know, they get in with these, like, the affordable housing angle, and then over time, they could pivot it back because there's like a window that they have to, like a certain percentage has to be affordable, and then they can. Again, you know, I'm not an expert, but.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, that's. That's a great question. So SB79, first of all, it does actually, it does have an inclusionary zoning mandate. So it. I think it's 11% of the units have to be affordable. There's different opinions about that. I think even if we're building housing that's not affordable, the people that will move into that new housing are the people that aren't going to move into neighborhoods where displacement and gentrification is happening. So in a lot of LA's, historically, you know, like historic black communities, Baldwin Hills, Crenshaw, people are moving There because it's their only affordable option. And these are people who are looking into home ownership for the first time, might have higher paying jobs, but the city is just so unaffordable that that's the only place they can live. Now, if we build housing at all income levels, including housing that might be unaffordable, the people that move into say, luxury housing are people that aren't going to move and cause displacement and gentrification in these other areas. So that's the case for that. Another thing is that new housing is always going to be the most expensive housing. It's like a new car is going to be more expensive than an old car. And that's the way it is. And you know, in a few decades that housing is going to drop in price. You see that in neighborhoods in LA like MacArthur park, which used to be a really nice neighborhood, some of the most expensive housing in the city. And over time that housing kind of, it just got old and that housing became affordable to people. So SB79 has a, a small affordability requirement. The purpose of it is mostly just to eliminate the mandate that you can only build a single family home. It's to legalize the housing.
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Male Host
So I think that's where like the conspiracy energy is when people think the SB79 people are bought off by the developers. Because if it's only 11% guaranteed affordable, these 90%, they could make a lot of money potentially. Like for instance in the Palisades, if you get, you know, a major developer that's buying up property around here, he builds across the street from the ocean, across from the new Wolfgang Puck nine story building. And 11% of that is affordable. And then 90% of those units are, you know, $12,000 a month. You know, they're not necessarily these innocent developers that are like working with your good, your spirit of like putting, I like what you're saying about that will put people that maybe went to say Venice will maybe come here. So I see that thing. But that I think is the people that say they're bought out by the developers. That's that piece of it that you know, we can't trust develop. I'll never trust major developers because like you said, they are in it for profit. You know, I feel like most like that's where.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, I think if developers were funding this, it'd be nice if they could show themselves. We don't, we don't get a lot of help.
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Male Host
Oh like even funding SB70. But I think like in Santa Monica, the big issue was with Like Jesse Zwick, he was getting funded like they were. He was like working with a lobbyist firm that was part of, you know, I don't know all the exact facts, but that was the type of thing that hurts the SB 79 people. Because there are people that then get money from the lobbyist firms that work with the developers.
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Johnny Shott
I think both are true. I don't think that development is as black and white of an issue. I think there's developers who support the way things are now because right now it's really hard to build. Right. And you need teams of lawyers, consultants, accountants to navigate the system. And so the big greedy developers with the resources to navigate the system as it exists are the ones on top. And so they have no problem with keeping the system the way it is. Well, one thing is right now, with all the rules and regulations around housing, it makes it so that the only people that can navigate the current system are the big developers with the teams of consultants and accountants and lawyers, and they're totally fine with the way things are. But, you know, if we make it easier to build housing, it enables other developers who might not have that same control of the market to get their foot in the door. So it's, it's both. There's developers that support the current system and developers that want to see change. It's, it's not as black and white as a lot of people put it, I think.
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Male Host
And then one last question. With homelessness there you see so much money goes into this idea of housing. What do you think? They're just, that money is just spent so wrong and there's not real plan. Like from your perspective, knowing what you know about housing and literal billions of dollars that's going towards fixing this. What's that from your perspective? How do they do, how do we fix that?
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, no, that's, that's a great, that's a great point. I mean, you bring up the idea that affordable housing nonprofits can't solve the entire issue. That's one side of the coin. We need to, like, we need to look to the private market to help us solve the housing crisis because that's the only way that the physical buildings are going to get built. Like, we can't keep pouring money into non profits and expect that to be a permanent solution. As much as I like the idea of, oh, let's have the government provide housing for everybody, on a practical level, that's not going to work. The other side of that is we spend way too much money fighting housing that needs to get built or has already been approved. And one example of that is Venice Dell. So Venice Del is a housing project. It's going to house, I think 140 homeless folks in what's currently a parking lot in Venice. It's going to preserve all of the parking spots and it's going to get those people off the streets and make the neighborhood safer. And the city attorney has spent millions of tax taxpayer dollars procuring outside counsel. So basically like hiring teams of lawyers to fight this project that's already been approved and we're going to lose. And it's like we have a project, it's been approved. We shouldn't be spending taxpayer dollars to fight it. So I think those two things are true. One, we over rely on nonprofits and expect those things to be the answer. And we fight housing that should get built and we waste our money doing so.
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Female Host
And to go back to our original conversation, what are you doing now with the crosswalks? Where are you going from here? Do you still do that with your community?
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Johnny Shott
People's vision zero.
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Female Host
People's vision zero.
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Johnny Shott
So we had the chance to meet with the mayor's office in December. You know, I give politicians the benefit of the doubt. You know, I know you don't like Karen Bass. I'm not the biggest fan of her either. Nobody wants kids to die on the street. So I think we start there and then we work up. We were basically, we pitched the idea. We were basically like, hey, look, we can do this. We're not going to paint. Just, just let us paint a few corners. It'll be good for the community. Ball's kind of in their court. So we said we're going to hold off on crosswalks until you get back to us with a plan on how we can do this. I think this could be dope. And we also have other ideas, so something that we do want to do. Plans in the works. We're going to be building public benches for transit riders in public spaces around la. We're going to be doing that later this month with the group and we're going to be collaborating with some local artists potentially as part of Downtown LA Art Night. Not sure what the details are, but I think that's going to be awesome. And so that'll be our, our scheme. In the meantime, while we wait for the mayor's office to get back to us.
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Female Host
What is Downtown Arts Night?
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, first Tuesday or Thursday, I forget off the top of my head. There's a walk featuring some of the local galleries and local artists.
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Male Host
So how do people join your tactical crew? If they would like just DM the people Vision Zero.
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Johnny Shott
There's a link in our bio with a forum where you can join.
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Female Host
And what is your Instagram?
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Johnny Shott
My personal Instagram is johnnyshottit. J O N N Y S H O T the photography stuff and then People's Vision Zero. People's Vision Zero is the Instagram eoplesvision0.
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Male Host
Thank you for the. One of the best. I feel smarter sitting here. I have more hope in the Future with these 25 year olds are very different than when I was 25, let me tell you.
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Female Host
Yeah.
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Male Host
So yeah, I'd love to have a one day, a follow up episode. Have you come back and get some of your ops here and to like it's already too late, you know, you guys won. But just to continue housing talks and just, you know, because I'm not knowledgeable and they're gonna message me like you didn't hit them with this and that, you know. But I think the more people start talking through this stuff because we gotta get solutions.
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, well, you know, I, I understand. I think I saw your episode with Nico Ruderman. He's a big opponent of SB79, of housing in general. Obviously people don't want to see change, but at one point when they were younger, they were themselves the change that other people didn't want. And now the world is here and we want, we want to live, we want to be able to afford to live. It's like people are really struggling. I have friends that don't know what they're going to do with their lives, that have a good education and a good job and they still can't afford to live here. We know what the solutions are. It's time to try something new. And yeah, yeah, I think, I think I'm the first Yimby you've had on your show.
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Male Host
Well, technically you're not the first Yimby on the property because Connor from New York Times was here.
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Female Host
And what is yimby? What does that mean for viewers?
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Johnny Shott
YIMBY stands for yes in my backyard. That's the opposite of not in my backyard.
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Male Host
So technically I'm only a NIMBY in the Palisades. I'm not, you know, you know, that's.
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Female Host
Where with the fires.
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Male Host
No, I just, I want the Palisades to be able to rebuild how the Palisades was. And that's a whole different unique conversation. So that's why I was so fighting to just. I didn't want to risk anything for My community not being able to build back how we were supposed to, so.
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Female Host
And then take it from there.
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Male Host
And then, you know, I still may be an envy outside of palace. I need to learn more. But I always am clear with when I argue with these people. Like, I'm sorry, I'm fighting to make sure my community is built better.
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Female Host
But, Johnny, what does that mean?
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Johnny Shott
Yeah, I think the idea behind yimbyism is, you know, like, for example, for me, I grew up in a pretty privileged community and taking the bus, I would, I would talk to people, local leaders, and I would hear like, oh, the bus lane could be great, but just not here. No, nobody takes a bus, you know, And I would think, well, I take the bus. Like, I want that here. And the idea is that you can't just have values on paper. Like, you can't, you can't, you can't just have a code and not live by it. If you're gonna say that you want these things, like liberal democratic things like bus lanes, like housing, you should be able to accommodate your life accordingly. And I think being a yimby, it's kind of a vibe, like, it's like, hey, I'm not gonna say I support immigrants, I support more housing, I support more transit. Those aren't just words. Like, I actually have to live by them and work to implement them in my life by doing things like advocating for immigrants and housing and transit. And I think personally that's what it means to be a yimby. But as I said before, change is hard. I don't want to demonize the other side. I understand the conflicts there.
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Female Host
Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for your time. Thank you for everything that you're doing for your community and for LA and getting out there and being proactive. And like you're saying, that's where it counts. So it's inspiring. I'm sure it inspires other people. Watching this, you inspired me. Watching, I was like, yeah, my speed bump.
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Johnny Shott
That'S awesome. I have no idea.
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Male Host
Well, you should have seen how serious it wasn't. Brief came out.
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Female Host
We were, but I was like, someone's going to hit my kids or some of these people. Like, I felt so serious and like, it was a big deal in our house. But anyways, thank you so much for coming on too. And everyone make sure that you like and subscribe and give all the great comments. So thank you.
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Male Host
Scream Heidi's music She's a global pop star.
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Female Host
Pre order Spencer's book the guy you loved to hate.
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Male Host
Pre orders matter. We gotta get number one New York Times bestseller.
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Female Host
Thank you so much. God bless you all.
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