The Fame Game with Heidi & Spencer

Episode: The Wellness Wake-Up: Toxicity and Why Your Environment Matters with Chervin Jafarieh of Cymbiotika
Date: September 25, 2025

Episode Overview

In this powerful and deeply personal episode, Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag invite wellness and detox expert Chervin Jafarieh (founder of Cymbiotika) into the ruins of their Palisades home—destroyed by fire and suspected to be toxic. Together, they delve into the real-life, ongoing physical and psychological aftermath of environmental disaster. Chervin shares a deep dive on environmental toxicity, the aftermath of industrial fires, strategies for healing and detox, and the need for self-care, community, and agency amid ongoing loss and uncertainty.
This episode blends practical health advice, intimate vulnerability, and searing critique of the system’s failures, all delivered in the hosts’ trademark candid, raw, and often humorous style.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Reality of Environmental Toxicity in the Palisades

• Spencer’s ongoing health issues: He recounts dealing with unexplainable rashes and skin reactions every time he returns to the property.
  • "Every time I come onto the lot, I leave with more rashes. They take weeks. There's nothing that works for them." (Spencer, [04:06])
• Validation of community experience: Chervin contrasts the "images and stories" online with the visceral impact of being in the disaster zone, highlighting that the lasting trauma is both physical and emotional.
  • "Until you're actually there in the material world, you can't really, you know, establish a visceral reaction... this is psychosomatic that we're talking about." (Chervin, [05:26])
• Industrial fire vs. wildfire: Chervin explains this wasn’t just vegetation burning, but a chemical disaster: plastics, metals, lithium-ion batteries—all creating hazardous “toxic soup.”
  • "This was not a wildfire. This was an industrial fire. This is factories of materials... lithium that have melted down and off gassed. But there's also a mental emotional component that has to be looked at, because trauma is captured in the experience." (Chervin, [06:24])
• Long-term health threats: Chervin compares the fallout to post-9/11 health crises, warning of cardiovascular disease, exotic cancers, autoimmune conditions, and more from lingering toxins.
  • "Once certain things get into certain parts of the body... it's almost impossible to get out." (Chervin, [08:31])

2. Urgency, Frustration, and Need for Community Action

• Systemic failures & lack of support: The hosts and Chervin lament the absence of meaningful guidance or remediation from authorities.
  • "I'm surprised that there's no guidance here. I'm reading reports that people really don't know what they're supposed to do. My first response to everyone, because everyone asked me, what do you do if you live in this area? I said move." (Chervin, [12:26])
• Concern for children and future generations: Chervin emphasizes that no level of heavy metals or toxins is safe for kids, and the effects can be multigenerational.
  • "There's no safe amount... We're talking about mental afflictions that can cause cascading issues. And you would never really know how to determine what happened to Johnny... those are problems that they're going to pass on to their children." (Chervin, [14:25])

3. Personal Health Struggles and the Power of Emotions

• Physical reactions: Spencer discusses multiple rounds of antibiotics and extreme measures for skin infections, while Heidi describes intense burning sensations.
  • "It feels like a chemical burn, basically. And then it took me a few days after, too... Spencer's rashes are so, so bad. And it was staff. And then... every time he leaves here, they're worse." (Heidi, [21:18])
• Mental/emotional toll: Chervin emphasizes the need to process trauma rather than suppressing it and lauds Heidi for letting herself grieve and cry.
  • "The fact that you gave yourself the opportunity to surrender, to feel right, instead of put scar tissue around it... That might be the most important thing that you did. And that's the greatest act of self love." (Chervin, [51:06])
• Role of community support:
  • "That's the beauty of community... because you really are the sum of the people you're around. Surrounding yourself with people that are on the same wavelength and having honest conversations with them..." (Chervin, [78:55])

4. Detox, Healing, and Daily Wellness Protocols

A. Immediate Action Steps

• Reduce exposure:
  • "Whatever you're poisoning yourself with, stop that." (Chervin, [23:22])
  • Primary advice: If you can move, do so. If not, minimize time on site, HEPA filters, clean water, remediate environment as possible.

B. Diet & Supplementation

• Clean, organic, mineral-rich food:
  • Grow your own or source from trusted farms; prioritize grass-fed, organic animal products; avoid processed or standard meats.
  • "I eat clean qualitarian meat from farms that I know practice beautiful animal husbandry. I drink clean spring water. I drink molecular hydrogen three times a day." (Chervin, [23:48])
• Key supplements: Glutathione (master antioxidant), Vitamin C, D3K2, shilajit, tri-complex magnesium, and colostrum for gut and immune support.
  • "We're going to get you on a heavy dose of glutathione, heavy dose of vitamin C... Also a lot of choline—three to four raw egg yolks a day." (Chervin to Spencer, [47:28])
• Displace toxic metals: By saturating the body with the right minerals, you keep out harmful metals (magnesium vs. lead, etc.).

C. Detoxification Practices

• Sauna & sweat: Promotes release of stored toxins.
• Movement & breathwork: Vital for lymphatic and overall immune health.
  • "Movement, sweating, the sedentary lifestyle—it’s one of the biggest things to look at...get your fitness going. That causes the renal system to open up, lymph to get going." (Chervin, [25:40])
• Chelation (with medical guidance): Advanced process to remove heavy metals—oral (chlorella, zeolites, etc.) or IV (EDTA, DMSA).
• Ozone therapy: Blood ozonation and direct injections for advanced healing.
  • "Ozone is O3... we're able to create ozone and do direct ozone injections, or we do the eboo, which is the extracorporeal ozone oxygen system where it's basically like dialysis for your blood." (Chervin, [51:52])
• Coffee enemas & hydrocholine therapy (with caution): Stimulates glutathione production and liver cleansing.

D. Environmental & Daily Hygiene

• Water: Both drink and bathe in filtered, remineralized water; avoid inhaling vapor from contaminated tap in the shower.
• Oral health: “Seat of the house” of the microbiome; remove amalgam (metal) fillings, address cavitations, tongue scraping, ozone treatments.
  • "Oral health...is the beginning stage of your microbiome...if you're not taking care of your mouth, you're already way behind." (Chervin, [61:05])
• Lemon water hack: Blend organic lemons (with skin) in spring water with molecular hydrogen and herbs every other day.

E. Mind-Body & Lifestyle

• Sunlight, grounding, journaling: Get sun exposure and ground to earth; practice daily mindfulness and emotional processing.
• Sleep: Every hour before midnight is “worth double.”
  • "Sleep is in the top. 10Pm, every hour before midnight counts as double of the hours in sleep rejuvenation." (Chervin, [59:15])
• Social connection and presence: Eat together as a family, power down devices during meals, and resist "doomscrolling."

F. On Addictions and Screen Time

• Smartphone as #1 addiction: Chervin is blunt about the dangers—biochemical, mental, energetic.
  • "The smartphone is the number one addiction in the world right now... we're not accessing the default mode network... being bored... That's when your brain resets." (Chervin, [67:30])
• Set boundaries: Work on intentional use, batch time, and honor the need for boredom/offline reflection.

5. Alcohol, Caffeine, & Diet Misconceptions

• Caffeine:
  • Has benefits if used with intention, quality, and paired with minerals.
  • "If you don't have intention around something, then it's just a drug and it'll take over your life... If you're unconscious about it, it's going to burn a hole through your body." (Chervin, [41:10])
• Alcohol:
  • Should be rare, celebratory, and from clean sources; otherwise a toxic burden on already compromised systems.
• Vegetables & Dairy:
  • Prefers sprouts, cruciferous, low-lectin options; favors A2 or goat’s milk over A1 cow’s milk.
  • "I do a lot of sprouts...arugula, radish... things that have sulfur in it...I grow my own carrots. I eat a lot of fruit and clean meat and raw dairy..." (Chervin, [63:54])

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On systemic failure & need for agency:
  • "This is one of those moments in time, in life... things are literally pulled from the surface of suppression and brought out and we can't hide anymore. I'm very concerned for you guys... I'm concerned for your family and friends." — Chervin ([05:26])
• On health advice for those in the disaster zone:
  • "If people want to live here, [it] has to go through major remediation...No, this has to take thoughtfulness, strategy, oversight...my first response to everyone...I said move." — Chervin ([12:26])
• On grief as healing:
  • "That might be one of the most important things that you chose for yourself. And that's beautiful to hear...That's the greatest act of self love." — Chervin ([51:06])
• On priorities:
  • "If you're not healthy, none of it matters." — Heidi ([60:06])

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 04:06 — Spencer describes ongoing health issues from property exposure
• 05:26–11:36 — Chervin explains the unique, multilayered toxicity of the Palisades fires
• 12:26–18:02 — Discussion of lack of government support, water toxicity, Chervin’s advice to families
• 21:18–22:24 — Heidi & Spencer on their physical symptoms and struggles
• 23:22–27:20 — Detox, diet, and “reduce exposure” protocols
• 41:10–47:28 — In-depth advice on caffeine, alcohol, hydration, and practical wellness routines
• 47:28–51:06 — Chervin prescribes liver and skin support for Spencer; emotional healing
• 61:05–62:52 — Oral health as a pillar of total wellness
• 67:30–71:36 — Screen time, digital addiction, and reclaiming presence
• 74:16–78:45 — Fasting, family meals, and strategies for re-centering amid upheaval

Conclusion & Takeaways

This episode is an urgent wake-up call for everyone living in the aftermath of environmental disaster—or worried about rising toxicity generally. Chervin’s insights blend environmental science, holistic health, and deep personal agency, while Spencer and Heidi give an honest, on-the-ground window into coping and healing. Listeners will come away with practical protocols and inspiration, but also a sobering understanding that modern life’s dangers—chemical, psychological, digital—cannot be ignored. Self-care, family, community, and awakening to one’s environment are not just trends, but essentials for survival and future resilience.

Further Listening & Resources

• Chervin’s podcast: Wake the Fake Up
• Cymbiotika Products: (Symbiotika’s website, Erewhon, Target, etc.)
• Recommended practitioners: Biodentists in Santa Monica, functional medicine, labs for hair/toxicity testing

"We're in this together... You got to want to do it. We all want you alive and healthy to fight the good fights, okay?" – Heidi ([78:45])

"Your life matters... Acts of self love: that’s the real reset." – Chervin ([51:06], [55:12])