Why would a society turn on itself? What darkness hides in the hidden depths of the social body? Doesn't it seem paradoxical that a country living its peak cultural moment can turn that dynamic on its head and become unrecognizably repressive and barbaric? And finally, riddle me this - are these questions about N4zi Germany or the US?

Many decades after attending a university class about the rise of N4zism together, Gerry visits Lawrence in Ottawa to talk about the same subject, but under a different context, one that's a bit too close to home. Specifically, directly south of home.

Lawrence Aronovitch is a Canadian playwright and actor based in Ottawa, Ontario. He is the playwright in residence at the Great Canadian Theatre Company. His stubborn optimism about the final outcome of the US' dark descent into barbarism contrasts Gerry's calculated pessimism. Maybe he's right - disruptive, challenging, disrespectful art that challenges these barbaric narratives might just be what we need. Who would've thought that "purple dinosaurs against f4scism" might actually be a valid political statement in 2025!

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