
Fr. Mike wants everyone to be Catholic, but why? Isn't Catholicism just a list of rules? Fr. Mike Schmitz explains why the Catholic faith is about far more than simply “following rules.” Instead, it’s about encountering the goodness of God and experiencing the beauty of life with Him through the Catholic faith.
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Why would I want everyone to be Catholic? Because it's true. But also because then they'd be brought into a new and the most powerful relationship with the true and living God. Hi, my name is Father Mike Schmitz, and this is Ascension presents. A number of years ago, I was talking with a family member. It was interesting. They had heard me talking a lot about here. I work on the campus at the University of Minnesota Duluth. And how I was saying regularly that I want everyone, I want every faculty member, every staff member, every student on campus, every to be Catholic. And they heard me say this again and again about how, you know, want to get the gospel out there. I want everyone to become Catholic. And they said at one point, like, I get it, but, like, isn't that kind of mean? What do you mean? Is, like, isn't that kind of mean? Well, isn't it kind of mean for everyone to become Catholic because then they have to follow all the Catholic rules? It was. If you become Catholic, the thing you're really saying yes to is you're saying yes to the rules. And isn't it kind of just like, let them just not have to say yes to the rules? And I thought that is very fascinating. First of all, it's fascinating because it kind of reveals something, right? If you reveal something about our hearts. And you might have thought that in the past, too, you might have thought, gosh, I love these people. They're in my life. I don't know if I wanted to want them to be Catholic because we're putting a heavy burden on their shoulders. I think the first thing it reveals is. Reveals that it reveals something about how we see. See our faith. Because if you're a professing Christian or professing Catholic, you recognize that, yeah, this relationship comes with some responsibilities. But we can ask the question, am I more focused on the responsibilities than on the relationship? Am I more focused on the rules than on the relationship? And I've talked to many people who have said something similar. That sense of, gosh, if they become Catholic, they have to follow all the rules. And I want to ask the question, oh, is that how you see being Catholic? Is it just the rules? As a high schooler and going into college, I was reading through the Gospels and I came across these little sections and a couple of the Gospels that were entitled the Conditions of Discipleship. Here's Jesus who even says this. He says, if you want to be my disciple, you must deny yourself. Pick up your cross and follow me. Like, these are the conditions for discipleship. You Must deny yourself, Pick up your cross and follow me. So it's not as if Jesus is like, no, don't worry about it. No, there are rules. In fact, later on, Jesus says, if you love me, keep my commandments. So there are rules, right? There are responsibilities that we have to live up to and that we're called to strive for at least. So, yes, anyone who says, gosh, why should they be Catholic? They have to follow all the rules. They're not wrong. But there's a bigger question at stake here. There's a bigger thing at stake. Again, the heart of it is, oh, man. Is that all you see this as is going to church because that's the rule? Is prayer because that's the rule? Is living a life that you're striving after virtue? Are we only doing that because it's the rule? It doesn't just reveal something about our hearts. It reveals something about how we see the world. And it reveals something about how we see God. Is God just the cosmic taskmaster or the cosmic police officer who's watching our every move in order to catch us doing good or catch us doing bad? Or is God the God revealed to us in Jesus, the Father who loves us, the God who would go to the furthest extent to bring us back home? I mean, think about this. The God of the universe who wants a relationship with you and with me. And we're fixated on what we're fixated on. Well, what are the rules? What are the things you're going to ask of me? I mean, think about, what do we get? We know this, right, that real relationships, they have real responsibilities. Of course they do. But real relationships also have real rights. So here's a question. What do you get out of this? And the first answer is salvation, right? The first answer is the recognition that as human beings, we are born under. In slavery to sin. Like, we're born under the dominion of the evil one. We're born subject to death. And I think we forget this. I think we forget the fact because we look around and say, we're fine. We look around the world like, I'm okay. I'm kind of no different than anyone, anyone else not realizing that in so many ways. You can say it like this because it's how people have said it and how the scripture has said it. As the human race, we're doomed to destruction. Like on our own, we are separated from the Father. On our own, we're charted a course to spend eternity without God. And it's only Jesus who makes it possible for us to have salvation. Only Jesus makes it possible for us to not be on that course, to spend eternity apart from God, but to be with God and to be in the midst of love for eternity. Why would I say this to this, okay, let's be a mercenary, like, have a mercenary heart. Say, actually, I'll follow after him. Because why? Because of salvation. Not just because someone told you the story, but because it's true. Again, why should they be Catholic? Well, not because I want them to be or because someone else wants them to be, but because it's true. We say this to our students all of the time. The only reason to believe anything is because it's true. CS Lewis said it like this. He said, Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and Christianity, if true, is of absolute importance. The only thing that Christianity cannot be is marginally important. Again, if it's false, then don't bother with it, like, put an end to it. But if Christianity is true, it is of absolute importance to become Catholic. Why? Not because I want it or because you think it'd be nice, but because it's true. So many of us might have heard the truth, but we haven't discovered the goodness of God. We haven't discovered the beauty of what it is to actually belong to the Father, to belong to the Son and Holy Spirit. Just we don't know the. We don't know. We haven't tasted the goodness of the Lord. And I wonder about that when it comes to my family members or when it comes to people I know, our students sometimes who just will reduce being Catholic to the rules. They have not yet tasted the goodness of the Lord. Why would I want everyone to be Catholic? Because it's true. But also because then they be brought into a new and the most powerful relationship with the true and living God. Now, you may have never experienced that, you may have never felt that, but also I'd ask, have you tried for it? Have you opened yourself to receive his love? I think sometimes when we get fixated on the challenges of Christianity and there are. Right, we already established that. I think that stops us. Example, Jika Chesterton, right? He said, famously, he said, Christianity hasn't been tried and found wanting. It's been found difficult and left untried. I think we sometimes find like, oh, gosh, this is difficult. I think I have to reprogram my whole heart. And the truth is this is just the first movement of Christianity is just to receive. To receive the offer, offer of life, to receive the offer of forgiveness, to receive the Offer of the Holy Spirit to receive the offer of love. The number one question in Christianity or in Catholicism is this. We make it so complicated. We make it about rules. There are rules. Of course there are. Again, Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments. Commandments are AKA rules. But the question that God is asking us is, does God have your permission to love you as you are? That's what it is to be Catholic. Does God have your permission to love you as you are? Too often we just jump over it. We jump over that to the, okay, if I do, if he does have permission to love me as I am, what am I going to have to do? Well, you have to give him permission to love you as you are. And as you receive his love, to love him back as you receive his love, to let that love actually reprogram your heart. That's the thing that program reprograms our heart. That's the thing that restructures our lives. It's not just us white knuckling it. It's not just us following rules for rules sake. It is us following rules for the relationship's sake. I mean, here's the last thing to say. Gosh, why would you want to be Catholic? You have to follow all the rules is similar to saying, why would you want to get married? Because then you'd have, like, someone who can tell you what to do. You have to do all the married things. To say that to someone who's in love and engaged and getting prepared to get married would sound ridiculous to them because, yeah, they're like, of course. Of course there are going to be rules in our marriage. Of course there are going to be rules in this relationship. But this relationship changed my life. And I would do anything, and I'll promise, I'll vow the rest of my life to be able to be loved by this person and to love them in return. That's a real relationship, right? That's a real relationship. And that real relationship, a marriage has real rights and has real responsibilities. It's real joys and real love. And that is exactly what Christ is offering us in the church. You know, whenever people come into the Catholic Church, ocia, Easter vigil, whatever, or even just not at the Easter vigil, anytime they're saying, yes. Not because they're like, wow, these are the best rules ever, right? No one says, you guys have the best responsibilities. It's because at some level they have been conquered by the love of God in Jesus Christ. At some level, they've answered the question, does God have permission to love you as you are. And they've said yes, and they've tasted that love. I want you to taste that love, too. I want you to experience that love. And in order to experience that love, answer the question. Does God have your permission to love you as you are? If so, let him feed you in Holy Communion amass. If so, let him heal your heart and forgive your sins in reconciliation. If so, let him guide your steps so that we walk that path of virtue. Let him reprogram your heart. So what you learn to love is the most lovable. Does God have your permission to love you as you are? Well, that means you get to have a real relationship with him in real rights and real responsibilities. And I think that's a pretty amazing trade. Anyways. Problems here at Ascension presents. My name is Father Mike. God bless.
Podcast: The Fr. Mike Schmitz Catholic Podcast
Host: Fr. Mike Schmitz, Ascension Presents
Episode Date: May 28, 2026
In this episode, Fr. Mike Schmitz wrestles with one of the most frequent but challenging questions for Catholics: "Why be Catholic?" Through personal reflection and theological insight, he explores whether being Catholic is about following rules or embracing a transformative relationship with God. Fr. Mike argues that Catholicism, at its heart, is about truth and a profound relationship with God—one that comes with both responsibilities and unimaginable joy.
Common Objection from a Family Member:
Faith as Relationship, Not Just Obligation:
Jesus Did Give Us Rules:
Rules as Means to Relationship:
Recognition of Human Condition:
Jesus Brings Salvation:
Beyond Hearing, Towards Tasting the Goodness:
Chesterton Quote:
Love and Rules:
What Draws People to Catholicism:
On Rules vs. Relationship:
Salvation as the Central Gift:
Receiving vs. Earning:
On Letting God Love Us:
Fr. Mike closes emphasizing that Catholicism is fundamentally about allowing God to love us and transform us—not simply about rule-following. Rules and responsibilities exist, but they are expressions of love within a genuine relationship. The real invitation of the Catholic faith is: “Does God have your permission to love you as you are?” If so, Catholics are called to let God feed, heal, guide—and completely reprogram the heart for the sake of love.
Host: Fr. Mike Schmitz
Produced by: Ascension Presents
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