The Multiple Mysteries of Marina Ramos

Summary

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The Friend Zone Podcast

Episode: "The Multiple Mysteries of Marina Ramos"

Air Date: October 8, 2025
Hosts: Dustin Ross, Hey Fran Hey, Asante

Episode Overview

This week on The Friend Zone, the crew dives into a riveting true crime case for "Spooky Season," exploring the three-decade-old cold case of Marina Ramos, its unexpected resolution through modern technology, and the complicated personal stories intertwined. Along the way, they dish on recent culture happenings, comment on pressing political events, and take audience questions, all with their trademark humor and candor.

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Main Theme

Theme: Unraveling multi-generational mysteries—centering on the cold case of Marina Ramos, advances in forensic technology, and the lasting emotional toll and unexpected reunions this case delivered. The hosts use this real-world story to also touch on trust, vulnerability, and personal safety.

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Key Discussion Points, Insights, and Quotes

1. Intro & Life Updates

• The show opens with rapid-fire commentary on the wildness of today's world, setting the mood for a “spooky” episode in line with October.
• Dustin shares a bizarre story about people declaring their own African kingdom in Scotland ("the Kingdom of Kubala"), using it as a segue into groupthink/cult dangers and setting up the true crime vibe.
  • "After everything that's been going on lately, please be careful in people persuading you or brainwashing you into a wild concept." — Dustin (07:30)

Timestamps

• 00:00–02:00: Ad skit banter and sponsor break (skipped)
• 03:30–13:00: Story of the “Kingdom of Kubala”

2. Current Events & Political Commentary

• Fran gives a first-person account of living in Portland during a time of unrest, discussing National Guard deployments, civic protests, and the emotional pressure of witnessing tanks in your city.
  • "Now it's here... this is happening to all of us, you know."—Fran (20:53)
• Discussion of the broader implications of government overreach and the false comfort of feeling “separate” from the suffering of others.

Timestamps

• 14:00–28:00: Portland unrest, National Guard, political tactics

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3. True Crime Feature: The Marina Ramos & Park Sisters Mystery

Story Arc

Asante leads the narrative of the cold case of Marina Ramos—found murdered in the Arizona desert in 1989, her two infant daughters vanishing without a trace, and the decades-later unravelling of their fate thanks to DNA technology and persistent investigators.

Key Story Beats

• December 1989: A Latina woman is found murdered in the Mojave Desert. No ID, dubbed “Jane Doe.”
• 2022: Cold case investigator Lori Miller revisits the case with modern tech, identifying Jane Doe as Marina Ramos through fingerprints and DNA.
  • "If your job is to, like, investigate like that, there's no such thing as a Jane Doe. There's a story behind every single person you find dead." — Dustin (56:05)
• The real mystery deepens—two infants (Marina’s daughters) were never found or connected to her case.
• Simultaneously in 1989, two baby girls had been abandoned in a California park restroom, adopted out without knowledge of their past.
• 2025: The sisters, now grown, and an older sibling in Puerto Rico are reunited thanks to family DNA submitted when the case went public.
  • "This is what I’ve been searching for and wanting for a very, very long time—to figure out where I came from and who my family was." —Tina, the younger daughter, via ABC interview (85:31)

Emotional & Social Layers

• The pain of family searching for answers for decades.
• The power of technology in solving cold cases.
• The lingering trauma for adopted children learning the truth.
• Ongoing search for Marina’s killer, with "Fernando" as a suspect; authorities still seeking leads.

Memorable Quotes

• "There’s a finish line in sight... they need the public’s help. They're counting on someone out there recognizing the face in that composite drawing or remembering the name Fernando." —Asante (105:57)
• "She didn’t willingly leave them. All those abandonment issues that I dealt with as a kid were automatically released." —Tina/Jasmine (85:52)
• "God bless them and God bless her memory. I really hope they find the [person] that did that." —Dustin (106:38)

Timestamps

• 52:27–113:12: The Marina Ramos and Park Sisters segment

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4. Mental Health & Resilience

• Discussions on how to maintain one’s sanity amid world chaos, and how stories like the Park Sisters’ resonate with issues of loss, abandonment, and healing.
• Fran shares her own experience working through heaviness with spiritual and self-care practices.

Timestamps

• 23:00–32:00: Energy work for mental health

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5. Listener Feedback, Community, and Announcements

• Shoutouts to CultureCon, mall culture, and their experiences with fans and listeners.
• Audience comments on previous true crime episodes—many found the recent crime stories so scary they had to pause listening until daylight.
• Announcements for upcoming comedy shows and Patreon events.

Timestamps

• 10:30–14:00; 33:00–41:00: CultureCon recap, listener comments
• 35:51–38:11: Dustin’s upcoming comedy shows

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6. Music & TV Picks

• Fran: Healing through nostalgia—plays 90s R&B classics (“Never Lie” by Immature, “Think of You” by Usher, “I Swear” by All-4-One).
• Dustin: Rap picks from Jeezy; “If You Don’t Know Me” and regional southern hits.
• Asante: Rochelle Jordan, Odile, and a throwback Lil Jon “Crunk Juice”.
• TV: Bell Collective, Real Housewives of Potomac (with new faces Angel Massey and Tia), Married to Medicine, Love is Blind Denver ("wild, and you have to watch it"), Baddies Africa.

Timestamps

• 150:11–166:53: Music segment
• 182:01–195:01: TV/Streaming recommendations

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7. Sleep, Wellness & Adulting

• Fran leads a deep-dive into the importance of mattresses for wellness, inspired by her own back injury and surprising relief from sleeping on the floor.
  • "A mattress is so important. It can change so much about your posture, your spinal alignment, your whole day." — Fran (119:09)
• The hosts discuss sleep hygiene, bedding preferences, and adulting tips for listeners.

Timestamps

• 117:18–148:35: Mattresses, adulting & sleep segment

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8. Humor & Signature Banter

• Throughout, the hosts maintain hilarious and raw takes on everything—whether dragging cults in Scottish woods, calling out “arts and crafts” festival fashion, or mocking Taylor Swift’s cultural dominance and the drama surrounding her releases.
  • "After a while, if everybody looking at you, you might be looking back." — Dustin on Portia (12:06)
  • “I don’t want to hear no podcast, I don’t want to hear music. I don’t want to hear nobody talking. I just want peace in my bedroom!” — Fran (140:20)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes With Timestamps

• On cults and brainwashing:
  "Never let yourself be a Mark or a Marquietta… don’t let people influence y’all with group-think shit." — Dustin (07:45)

• On current political unrest:
  “We kept saying: This is not that. This us versus them. This is happening to all of us.” — Fran (20:53)

• On true crime fatigue:
  "Somebody said that to me at CultureCon—had to wait until daylight to finish!" — Dustin (41:11)

• On the revelations of the cold case:
  "This is what I've been searching for... to figure out where I came from and who my family was." — Tina/Jasmine (85:31)

• Jokes & friendly ribbing:
  "You're the bonds woman and the inferior mistress. What kind of life is that?" — Dustin on cults (07:08)

• On mattress shopping anxiety:
  "It’s not worth it in the long run, honestly. You will pay." — Fran (119:26)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:00–03:32: Ad skits and sponsor material (skipped)
• 03:33–13:04: "Kingdom of Kubala", groupthink & cults
• 14:00–32:00: Life updates, Portland unrest, political commentary
• 52:27–113:12: Marina Ramos/Park Sisters true crime narrative
• 117:18–148:35: Mattresses, sleep, and wellness
• 150:11–166:53: Music picks
• 182:01–195:01: TV/streaming recommendations
• 195:01–202:21: Love Is Blind Denver reactions & outro

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Conclusion

The Multiple Mysteries of Marina Ramos is more than a true crime episode: It's an exploration of generational trauma, the miracles (and heartbreaks) that come with new technology, and how – whether in politics or personal relationships – people are perpetually searching for belonging and truth. The hosts connect the dots between cultural chaos, self-care, family, and moving forward, blessing listeners with both needed laughs and haunting, hopeful reminders to “never give up, always keep faith.”

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Transcript

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You live. I thought we killed your whole family. But here you are, little wolf.

[B]

My name is Atsu. Every member of the Yotei six will suffer.

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Get lost in the hunt.

[C]

Forge a new path at the edge of Japan. Ghost of Yotei available now on PS5.

[A]

Welcome to the friends.

[B]

Every time I'm in the zone.

[A]

My name is Dustin.

[B]

I'm Francesca, also known as K. Friend.

[C]

Hey, my name is Asante. This is the friend zone.

[A]

Look, it's too much weird going on, flat out.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Flat out, flat out. It's that simple. This week. It's too much weird shit going matter of fact, like you said. Look, it's too much weird because that look is important. Okay? Because it establishes the tone. All right? Now it is too much weird going on with all of the up things going on in the world today. In honor of it being spooky season, I decided I would update a crazy ass, spooky up ass story that we had heard about. Now do you all remember there was a black woman, young girl that was missing from Texas, okay? And she. Everybody was looking for her. And we found out that she was a part of this like African tribe kingdom, right? Which was called the kingdom of Kabula. Kabula. Kingdom of Kabula. Yes. It was a lady that was missing from Texas. She was like 21, right? They found her. I want you guys to hear how she described what was going on with her in Texas and what was going on with her when they found her with her African tribe. Check this out.

[B]

I am the inferior mistress and I also play as a surrogate for the queen. I'm also the bondwoman of the king, which means I do not have the formal title of a wife, but he is my husband and we are a tribe.

[A]

So she said that she's the bondswoman of the queen. She is an inferior mistress. She does not have the title of a wife, but he is is her husband. So that's what was going on. Now, just for a little background, because we got to paint this picture, right? Just for a little background. The group which calls themselves. And this is from our friends at the Neighborhood Talk. What's up, Kyle? According to the Neighborhood Talk, which Kyle runs. What's happening, Kyle? The group which calls them, I definitely can, but the group that calls themselves the Kingdom of Kabula or Kabbalah, K U B L A had been living in the woods near Jedburgh since May. Where is Jedburgh, you ask? In the Scottish woods. Okay, so they out in Scotland on some land that they said their ancestors they were reclaiming from their ancestors. More on that in a minute. The group was led by 36 year old Kofi Offer. Okay. Who styled himself King Athene. Okay. So that's what he called himself. King Athena. The real name is Kofi offer. He's 36, his wife, this Queen 90. Her name is Jean Gasho.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

That's her name. And the young lady is 20 year old Cara Taylor and she goes by as net. And the trio had just declared this land in Scott and the Scottish borders in the woods in Scotland. They had just declared it their ancestral territory and they had been living out there, right? So fast forward. So people were looking for her. They were. It was a search for her. People assumed she had been brainwashed into some sort of cult worshiping situation which turned out was the case. And they've been looking for it. But she popped up on video because of course these tribes that are connecting with their ancestral roots and their African stuff, they using iPhones. So of course she got online and. Which is crazy to me, right? As deeply connected to the roots and the way of life, living in the woods, off the grid as you can. You charging an iPhone every night. But anyway, so they have been looking for her. Update time. These people had settled on some land, like I said, out in the Scottish woods or whatever. Who they came and Set up a camp and they claimed that they were the kingdom of Kubala, right. The Scottish Border Council, okay, ended up evicting them recently.

[C]

Look at.

[A]

Look at him coming out.

[C]

That's the king.

[A]

They're getting the king. That's the king right there. Yeah. Look at his hand.

[C]

Why is he.

[A]

And look at Queen 90. This is for the Patreon. Yes. And viewers right now, that's what they over there in Scotland. And now look at them. Arrested coming up out of there. Evicted from the Scottish woodlands, right. They were served an eviction notice in August for camping on private land.

[B]

And.

[A]

And so what they did was move their belongings over a damn fence, okay? Move their shit over a fence. And. And this land that they ended up moving to was a plot that was owned by the Scottish Borders Council.

[B]

Oh, terrible.

[C]

So you moving on federal.

[A]

Basically federal land. It's like camping out, you know what I'm saying? At the Washington Monument, talking about it was the ancestors land or whatever. So that happens. The next day, officers from Immigration enforcement and police Scotland came to the makeshift, makeshift camp. And the Ghanaian man and American woman were testing in the camp into custody. So that's how that ended. There you have it. The kingdom of Kubala was owned by the Scottish Borders Council, and it was not the ancestral. And then people didn't give a. Can you imagine being a private landowner and some people just pop up on your property in Scotland in full garb, right? Telling you that they are reclaiming this land. You try to believe some what so fucking fast. Honestly, baby, I would get a snow plow and put it on the front of a truck and clean the area. Okay, Second of all, y' all got to be careful, okay? After everything that's been going on lately, please be careful in people persuading you or brainwashing you into a wild concept. If something sounds too good to be true or too real to. To anything, it is, okay? Because as you can see following behind this nigga and this woman being a bondswoman for some lady with hair all under her arms and in her ass crack over there in the woods of Scotland, that ain't grooming nothing, okay? You the bonds woman and the inferior mistress. What kind of life is that for someone to have and to claim as their own? This beautiful young girl, you over there in the woods talking about being in a subservient role like that, away from people. And look what happened. This then led you over there and have none of his together. And now y' all all in jail in Scotland, okay? So while you over there swashbuckling in them Scottish jail. Scottish jails. You think about it. You know what I'm saying? Think about how you cannot let people influence y' all with this maga shit. All this group think shit. Like it's. It's a time where people are trying to influence minds that they view vulnerable, okay? So don't let yourself be a Mark or a Marquietta. And on that note, welcome to the Friend Zone. Your weekly looking all things mental health, mental hygiene, and mental. We ain't going to no damn Scotland.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Hey, friend. Hey. How you doing? I don't know, because you had to take a plane. That was from your ancestors too. I don't remember none of them talking about getting on a jet.

[B]

Okay, I want to know the connection that he made. Like when he. He was giving his spiel. How did they connect to Scotland? You know what I'm saying? I would love to hear it.

[A]

How did they get to Scotland? Maybe his last name was Scott. Maybe he was watching Latasha Scott. That's why he was inspired. She took them checks. He took that land. Maybe that's what that was.

[B]

Oh, you know, when you. When you take the ancestry test and it'll say you're like 2% Scottish. Ran with it.

[C]

He knew there was a connection. You had to get back to the root.

[B]

Yikes.

[A]

Anyway, yeah, God bless her.

[B]

How are your weekends? How y' all feeling?

[A]

I feel good. I wasn't in no cult in Scotland, so I feel great. I actually had an amazing weekend, though. This weekend was CultureCon here in New York City, and so I got to see so many people, so many dope creatives.

[B]

Remember I seen you at the last one?

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Friend.

[A]

You know, we was in there handling that, right? We had some work, some checks, anywho, so, yes. But I had to go support my CultureCon family. It's always such a pleasure to just get the love that we get from all the listeners that are there and to see all the other black creatives doing it. I wasn't even working this year. I was just a guest attending. Got some great networking done and just supporting. And to be in there, I met a young lady who was in charge of the production for the whole event, who loves the Friend Zone. Shout out to her. Shout out to everybody. That just shows. I met people who have been listening to the Friend Zone since they were 13 years old.

[B]

That's scary.

[A]

The girl was 13, and I was like, damn. I said, at least you. I told her, well, at least you. Probably a world class Cusser, aren't you now? She said, hell yeah. We had a moment. So that was great. But just got lots of love at Culturecon and definitely I love the outfit.

[B]

The look, the look. Cause remember, we used to get that feeling from Afropunk, just being excited to see how people were creative with their looks. And I feel like CultureCon is kind of stepping into that void.

[A]

It absolutely is. Ahsante was always photograph that Afrop Punk all the time with his looks and shit. But this Culture Con is a little less costume. A little less costumey. It's more like you gotta have on fly.

[B]

No, it's the fashion, kids.

[A]

Yeah. Afro Punk is like the. You know, it's a. They. They using hot glue guns, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, arts and crafts, you know what I'm saying? It's a look with bones and arts.

[B]

And crafts is crazy.

[C]

You just called me arts and crafts.

[A]

No, no, no. You know, well, you good at it. You know your. All your lines. He was nice, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So shout out to Culture Khan. It was really, really dope.

[B]

Yeah, I saw. I always am curious to see like the panels and what the discussions are. So it was nice to see a lot of our peers up there shining.

[A]

You see Portia saying she gay?

[B]

I did see that clip too.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Look forward to that.

[C]

Portia.

[A]

Fine. You know what I'm saying? So I know everybody looking. And after a while, if everybody looking at you, you might be looking back.

[B]

You looking at everybody.

[A]

You might be looking at everybody too.

[C]

You know what?

[A]

Maybe I can't suck a titty. You know what I'm saying? Maybe I can. So if that's what she is with it, fine. You know what I mean? I'm gay. I don't give a. But yeah, it was Culture Con was amazing. And shout out to my people that work. I want to give a shout out to my friends at work. Shout out to the Black Ops production company. My boy Terrell, my boy Antonio, my boy Rodney, my boy Chris, all of them did an amazing job on the Glambot on the whole production of the event this weekend. Shout out to them. And shout out to my boy Riley. Go follow my friend Riley. He posted this really dope video of me and him from Culturecon. And it's so cute. I want y' all to see it and run it up. Look up Riley Wilson on Instagram. Shameless plug. Look up Riley Else Wilson on Instagram. And like that video of me and him from Culture Con. That's It. How was y' all weekends?

[C]

What y' all do?

[B]

It was good. I forgot to tell y'. All. Y' all know that. That streamer kid. Ishowspeed? He be like, flipping and shit. Y' all know he was here.

[C]

Don't tell me you ran in the house. You went to see him. You was on the stream, friend. You was on Twitch. Frank.

[A]

I was about to say friend.

[B]

No, what I ran into was the crowd of white kids running for his ass. Now, imagine being a driver not knowing.

[A]

What'S happening, and with all that shit going on in Portland. Right.

[B]

Know you was, like, I'm saying, seeing a. A herd of children. Well, I can't even say children, really, because it really. It was grown people running, too. They were so. They were going crazy for this kid. Like, shout out to these streamers they really got right now. No, for real. This different. That looked crazy out there. I told you.

[A]

Real fans. Real fans.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm. You know, these are new experiences as a Dr.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Oh, streamers running through the streets. Kill nobody. So that was crazy. Also. It was the.

[A]

Did you get your second whip yet?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You got to tell us what you got on, you know, in the group lessons. We're invested. I can't believe you didn't tell us yet.

[B]

Is it. Yeah, I'll tell you.

[A]

Okay, okay, okay.

[B]

Because it's really another one too personal. But these are experiences that I'm like, oh, what do you do when it's a marathon? Oh, also, shout out to Issa Rae. She was here.

[A]

She was out there. I saw that. Did she have one like red? I think. I think. Yeah, she looked pretty.

[B]

So that was really interesting. I just feel like I'm learning how to maneuver when you have all these occurrences. And speaking of occurrences, how insane is it with the president? So a federal judge. Yeah. I believe her name is, like, Karen Immergut. She blocked. Thank God. And it's crazy because she's a Trump appointee. So that's kind of interesting that she had enough sense still. And considering she's putting her life on the line. Right. We're watching people's houses blow up. We're hearing politicians being killed in their homes with their family. Like, she put her life on the line essentially to block the. The National Guard from being deployed here in Oregon. And so what does he do? Deploys the California Guard and the Texas Guard, who are now on their way here. And of course, she's trying to make some amendments to that to hopefully block that as well. But he just seems relentless. And even his speeches this week about Oregon, I'm like, what is happening? Who is, what is the vision here?

[A]

Why is it, what do you want from Oregon?

[B]

Stated. Yeah, he's so fixated on Portland. Very specifically, did you know what? Shout out to the white folks out here. They are getting it done, you hear me? This weekend they had what they call pizza and pajamas. They all came dressed in their PJs with boxes of pizza and they were sitting outside of the ice building, the ice facilities, having picnics and using their bodies to be in the way, essentially.

[A]

Wonderful news.

[B]

Pajama party. So they're just not. They're unmoved by, you know, all the wording that, all the verbiage and all.

[A]

The antics and tactics.

[B]

Yeah. And the tactics that he's trying to use to make it seem like we're war torn. Which is crazy that he keeps saying that.

[A]

Governor Newsom, shout out to Governor. Governor Newsom from California. He. I just saw earlier today, he's suing to block the. What is it? Of the, what do they call it?

[B]

Guard.

[A]

From deploying deployment to stop the deployment of the National Guard. Thank you. That's exactly the word I was looking for. I didn't know where it was, so. But yes, he's. He's suing to block it. Spineless piece of shit. Slime ball. Rotten gut. Black hearted, ice water vein. Having Greg Abbott from Texas, he made a boot licking video, you know, gleefully supporting this ridiculous shit that Donald Trump is doing. Okay, thankfully, Greg Abbott is trying his best to resist it in California or not. Greg Abbott, Governor Newsom. Fuck Greg Abbott. Governor Newsom in California is trying his best to block these efforts too. I'm praying for the people.

[B]

And even our governor, even our governor, she's put in all kinds of. It's just not, you know, it's not, it's not changing anything because he's. That's the part that's interesting about it. It's. He's not following law.

[A]

So even the nigga that ran on Law and Order. Law and Order. Back the blue. Law and Order.

[B]

How convenient. So the fact that he's just kind of doing what he wants and going over their heads and they're putting in all kinds of amendments and speaking to the courts, and it just doesn't seem to be working because I'm seeing that, I'm seeing the presence out here. You know, you go downtown, yeah, you see tanks, you're on the drive. You're on the highway driving next to tanks. Like, imagine that. A very Strange time. And it's, it's interesting because you, it kind of reminds me we were discussing last year, right? A lot of people were doing a lot of othering in their discussions about ICE and who black people stay out of it. You know what I'm saying? Black people stay out of it. And we kept saying this is not that y'. All. I know it's real easy to want to say that. I understand the hurt where people are coming from in saying that, but this is all research on their part, right? Seeing how quickly can we get these people from the like in Chicago, I feel like that was research that building. How quickly can we get everyone in this building put away into these vans? That's all research. It's preparation test runs like. So to me it's scary the fact that that happened in Chicago. I still can't believe that that happened in Chicago.

[A]

You shouldn't be able to believe it. None of us should be able to believe it. We should all be out and move to some sort of reaction. We have nothing left. We're powerless. Zip. Tying a handcuffing children and babies. To me that takes us back to the very first Trump administration. Putting them kids in cages and ripping them kids out the parents hands and shit. That should have made people feel something. I don't care what your politics are. That's a fucking kid and that's wrong as hell. You should be moved to say, hey, something has to be done differently because this is not right. I talked about it before, I will always talk about it. Seeing them two and three year old babies representing themselves in immigration court, they can't even fucking talk. How do you sleep at night as a court officer facilitating those sort of proceedings? How do you sleep at night? And you got babies and grandbabies and nieces and nephews.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How do you sleep at night doing that to somebody's baby? I just don't get it. And if you're a lot of that, don't go resigning.

[B]

There are a lot of people resigning, a lot of troops, a lot of people in the National Guard, a lot of agents, generals, all kinds of positions. But I sort of feel like they shouldn't be resigning. We need you there. We actually need you to be oppositional, you know what I mean? Because like I said, I saw a commentator saying that's just gonna make room for the loyalists to come in and follow orders, you know what I mean? Which is what we don't want in those spaces. So this is really, I don't know, this is a crazy Time seeing those tanks. But I was saying is how we kept with the othering talk and now it's here. You know what I mean? It's here. We were talking about this just last year and now everyone's kind of backpedaling like oh shit. You know, this wasn't a. This us versus them. This is happening to all of us. You know.

[A]

Stupid ass. That's. This is what I mean about people. You can be a one issue voter. You can be whatever kind of voter you want to be. Right. But protest voting and not having empathy for other people. When you see the plights like you said, the othering of everybody else, when you see the shit that they're doing to other people, that's wrong. That should be a full stop for you. It shouldn't have to tap your shoulder and push your back.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But it's going to because a lot of these motherfuckers were so dense and dumb back in November and trying to prove a point or make a statement.

[B]

When and fucked us all up in the larger picture. Yeah.

[A]

People like you friend that don't even fuck with none of this shit went out and voted. Let me chill out because it just makes me angry because I think about what our lives would have been like otherwise and I think about how different things would be if people would have just had some fucking sense. But go ahead y'. All.

[B]

And I don't even know that the voting would have made a difference. Cause look how this man is moving in the. You know what I mean? On the back end. It would have been stolen. And I feel like that's what's gonna happen in the future. That's what's been happening. We really don't know. That's the scary part. We don't have. I don't know.

[A]

I just want it to be different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I just really want it to be different.

[B]

It is a crazy time. My weekend was spent doing energy work because I kind of felt myself. I don't want to say spiraling because that feels a little dramatic. But it was just that feeling of you started feel. Yeah. Just like oh, this is crazy. What. And what does he have in store for this city that I literally moved to.

[A]

To get peace.

[B]

To get peace. And then here comes this.

[A]

And built a peaceful life. Had it attained it?

[B]

Peaceful life. Absolutely. That I've like worked hard for. And here he comes off of nothing talking about what he's seeing on tv. I don't even know what he's talking about. What is he seeing on. Where is Portland being Shown on this TV that he keeps talking about FOX fucking News. But what is Fox News showing?

[A]

Actors, right?

[B]

It's like, what are they showing? I can't even understand.

[A]

It makes my stomach hurt. It makes me rich.

[B]

And it ties into how, you know, we say like he will make shit up to find a reason to agitate the city. To then kind of work backwards. Like he says, the shit deploys the.

[A]

It's a playbook.

[B]

Yeah, we know. And to see it firsthand has just been really interesting. People are really out here trying to.

[A]

Y' all gonna have to excuse me.

[B]

Even some of the Portland protesters, I don't know if y' all have seen that are starting to be beat and beaten. Chemicals right in their face. That we don't even know what the chemical is because I don't think it's tear gas. It's just scary time.

[A]

So it's racist juice.

[B]

Yeah, it's something. And it's crazy because it's white on white. That tells you so much.

[C]

White on white.

[A]

White on dinosaur. They sprayed a. A person in a blow up costume. Which this is really.

[B]

They sprayed his vent.

[A]

Think about that.

[B]

Vent to his costume. Could have literally.

[A]

Think about that.

[B]

And to think of that, to even think of that.

[C]

They might be on their way out here to Charlotte. So, I mean, I'm sure this is the police union. They've been trying to get the. They're calling for the National Guard in Charlotte.

[B]

I mean, I feel like this is gonna be.

[A]

Yeah. Everywhere.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Any cities and states that allow it. Yeah.

[B]

And you know what did pop up on my TikTok, which is such an interesting time. Right? Something so serious popping up on your TikTok. And I don't know if it was really them because now we don't know what is real. That's the other thing that they've been playing with our heads. But I've been seeing National Guardsmen posting on their TikToks, being like, Y', all, we are as scared as y' all are. Like, we're getting death threats. When people see us on the street, they're yelling at us. They're like attacking us. But we are as fucked up as y'. All. Like, we didn't sign up for that. We just signed up to protect federal buildings. That's literally our job. We are the. The National Guard, the Guard. Literal guards. Like, we're not supposed to do anything to civilians against civilians. That's not what I signed up for. And a lot of them just feeling scared and powerless and. Yeah. And feeling like they're being deployed to do. And then people in the comments like, well, don't follow orders, you know, just don't do it. Like rebel, don't attack your people. You're supposed to protect us. Let's all be on the same side. And just that discourse happening on Tick Tock, I'm like, wow, this is so serious.

[A]

You know what it's gonna take? This is the thing. There's no quick solution. There's no, there's no persuading of the powers that be that can happen to combat. This is going to take strategic, focused, organized effort. That's something that takes patience, it takes emotional control. It takes skill sets and skill levels that have been trained years prior to now and that will take years from now to attain. It takes that sort of actual resistance against this shit. So while I love the videos that express the way people feel and while I love that their strength and numbers within those numbers there has to be skill, strategy, organization, and then an effort on the ground. That's what has to be done here. This is not something that we can change people's mind about by letting everybody know how we feel about it. This takes implementing people the same way them did with that project 2025 that started years ago with appointments to the Supreme Court, with appointments to other federal positions of power. The long game, friend. Francesca, I'm gonna say your long name. The long game, for real. That's what it takes. And so if people understand that, then I think that we can see something be done here. You know, I'm gonna use every tool I have, every opportunity I have to speak about things I am. Every opportunity I have to share information and bring things to people's attention that I feel like, like are deserving. I'm gonna do it. I don't. This is not a political show. This is not a show that is based in that, but this is a wellness based show and it's a show where we talk about how we feel and right now the way that we feel and the way that our audience feels is greatly impacted by this that's going on in Washington D.C. right now. So we're gonna talk about it and we're going to speak about it and all of our cities knocking on our doors. So we're gonna talk about it out.

[B]

There, sleep in their homes. That was so. But yeah, so.

[A]

And I ain't no. I'm telling you now, if it come down to it and it becomes that in this, in the streets that we have to walk through and live in, that's just gonna be what my story is. I'm just gonna put it like that because there will. I'm not gonna be submissive today. I'm not gonna live a life like that. I'm just.

[B]

Yeah, that's honestly why I've been, like, overwhelmed, too, at the. At their presence here, you know, My partner, like, I'm just like, lord. I was trying to have a talk with him. I'm like, listen, I know how you are. Yeah, we gotta think through this. You know what I mean? We gotta think through this. We gotta think through how we move. Yeah, we gotta think. And he is more of a feeler. And so we just trying to, you know, it's just a lot. It's a lot lot for all of our family.

[A]

Praying for y'.

[B]

All. Praying for everybody. Yeah, absolutely.

[C]

Everybody.

[B]

Praying for everybody. Because we're all in this, whether you believe you are or not. So, yes, let's try. Just trying to take care of my mental health, really. What about you? How you feeling?

[C]

I'm all right. Trying to take care of mine as well. I actually ran into some people dialing back. You said something about Tick tock. Tick Tock showed me a very funny video. I've been seeing a lot of local videos about how mall culture is alive and well out here in Charlotte. Good.

[B]

Actually, definitely in Charlotte and Atlanta. I feel like those are the two cities that mall culture is still a thing.

[C]

Houston. Absolutely. Absolutely. So it was funny because I'm sorry, I always love going to a mall. I went to the mall last. The weekend before last. And so I was like, you know what? Let me go to the mall again. But I went back to the same mall because the Tick tock, it was saying which malls are popping and when. And it's funny because the mall I was at, I was like, that mall was popping. Like, the information was accurate. So I wanted to try a new mall this weekend, but I end up going back to the same mall because I wasn't done say all that to say I ran into some listeners, shout out to y'. All. It was, first of all, the girls are always fine. I. I always run into the lady listeners. And you young ladies were so fine. I hope y' all were having a good ass time. They were so funny. They were following me around a little bit, and I ain't noticed. But then I was at one store in particular, I'm not gonna say which one, and they were like, you know, if you got. You got it like that. And you ladies, y' all got it like that. So keep doing more.

[A]

You was at, too. You pass all them big houses with them huge yards on along the way?

[C]

No, I was at a different mall I was at. Okay, so you know what mall I'm talking about?

[A]

I think you're talking about, like, the Gucci store.

[C]

I wasn't at the. I wasn't at the nice mall called South Park. Is that the one you talking about?

[A]

Something like that. Yeah. But it was beautiful. I seen these, like, palatial South End.

[C]

South. South End.

[A]

Palatial.

[C]

Like huge homes with rolling at the South.

[A]

But that's like.

[C]

That's the one. And it was funny because in the. The Tik Tok, they said that too. They were like, you know, if you want to go to the mall, you got to go to South End. I was like, that's the. That's the one. That's the one I like. But now I want to go back to the other mall. I don't want to say which one, cuz.

[A]

Okay, go back.

[C]

Yeah, felt, but, yeah, Love the mall culture out here still. I'm gonna try a new mall. Not next weekend, but the weekend after, because I'm. This weekend. Yes. The food court was popping. They were like, food court food is good.

[A]

I don't give a.

[C]

Food court food is one of the reasons to go to the mall. It' like, it's either the food court food or the restaurants attached to the mall. So it's like you have, like, a. A different type of experience. Like, do you want to eat something quick while you shopping or at the long day of shop and you want to go sit out somewhere nice?

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[C]

Did you say Grand Lux?

[A]

I'd said Grand Lux. Yes, I did. You know, I'm not above going to give me a slice of red velvet cake and a red glass of wine at that bar, at that Grand Lux.

[C]

Red velvet cake and some wine. But, yeah, the week.

[B]

I didn't grow up with malls, so I find them exciting. Which I know for y' all is so regular for us.

[C]

No, I grew up with malls, and I still find them exciting. So it's like, you know, we get to share in the excitement.

[B]

Yeah, the ones out here kind of whack. They do have good food, though, because, you know, Portland's a foodie city. Like, they'll be having, like, a din tai fung in the middle of the mall. You're just like, wow.

[A]

Like, yeah, I want to go to. I want to go to that lady's food truck. And you know who I'm talking about.

[B]

Keys loaded Kitchen. Yes.

[A]

With the big, huge portions that she has to wrap. And she just went viral for selling $100 spaghetti order.

[C]

Oh, that's.

[A]

Did you see it? I want to go, friend. I want to go. I don't. That's.

[B]

Let me tell you, the food alone here is worth a trip. Like, ask Claude. When he came, I just took him to all my favorite spots, and he was like, yo, I will fucking move here. Soul Flea is so good. It really is.

[A]

I want to go to Porto City.

[B]

Yeah, I'm gonna come. It would be so fun. I think y' all would have a good time. But. But yeah, malls here or not, they don't give that, unfortunately.

[A]

Well, you already put us on to the secret shopping situation. I'm not gonna say what you told us, but can't wait to come shop there. You heard me, because I'm cleaning, I'm bringing. I'm buying a suitcase when I get there type shit.

[C]

I'm not gonna fuck around.

[B]

I love.

[C]

Weekend was cool. Also. Thank you to everybod, everybody. Just from all of us that. That showed up to our rescheduled live over on our Patreon. If you do not join us on Patreon, you will not get to enjoy the amazing fun little times that we have together as family. So hop over to patreon.com the friends on podcast. Our makeup live was such a success. We had one of our makeup beauties join us. Kia. She popped in and that was a fun time as well. We always have great time with you in the chat and you always have a great time with each other. Other. So thank you for being part of our community. And again, if you want to join that community.

[B]

Patreon.com friendzonepodcast we're also reading the Matriarch by Tina Knowles. Her memoir, Dustin is facilitating the conversation. We're reading that for our book club. Dustin's holding the book up. I don't have mine in here. For our book club called the Situation, we also are currently watching Damascus, which is a really cool black sci fi show that was. It was by amc, right? But it's now you can watch it on Tubi for free. And we're recapping it in hopes that we send them enough traffic and get a season two because it really is such a phenomenal show. We're having a good time and that's facilitated by Asante. We have our live streams the last Wednesday of every month, and then you can also watch the video version of all of our episodes and see our reaction. You guys are getting small clips on our social media, but the long version, as you can imagine, is just as funny. So join us at patreon.com forward slash, the Friendzone Podcast. Do you guys have any announcements or anything you want to say before we jump in? Jump in.

[A]

I do. Once again, it's on. You know what I'm saying? I'm back on the road. I'm a boy on.

[B]

Hey, that's right.

[A]

I'm back on road. A boy on.

[B]

What if you would have. What if you would have named the.

[C]

Tour Boy on Road?

[A]

Yes. Yeah. Cause that's what I am. I'm ready to go be a hoe. But, yes, I have two shows coming up. Tickets are on sale right now.

[B]

Congratulations.

[A]

Thank you very, very, very much. Thank you. Make it clap. I. On November 30th, I'm playing the Comedy Zone in Charlotte. Shout out to Asante. Yes, I'm coming through Charlotte. Yes. November 30th, I'm in a comedy zone.

[B]

Isn't that Thanksgiving week?

[C]

Yep. So I'm gonna. So.

[A]

So I'm very happy about that. And then on December 4th, I'm playing the Miami Improv during Art Basel weekend. So anybody that's going to be down at Art Basel. Yeah. God is good, man. So shout out to the Miami Improv. It's such an honor as a comedian to play an improv club like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And get some love. So Miami or surrounding areas, Fort Lauderdale, everywhere, pull up on me. December 4th, Art Basel weekend. Yes. And any other of our listeners who work with, like, marketing and advertising for these companies, I'll be in Miami our Basel weekend. So let's work. I'm available to moderate panels, host events, things like that. But most importantly. That's right. Take your ass to dustinrosslive.com and you can get tickets to the November 30th show in Charlotte at the Comedy Zone. And then December 4th in Miami at the Miami Improv. All new show, all new jokes, all new material.

[B]

That was my question.

[C]

Congratulations, Dustin Ross.

[A]

Everybody.

[C]

Go out.

[B]

The link will be in the description box because I know y' all be lazy. It's right there. Go ahead and click it right here for you.

[A]

I'm on Decisions, Decisions this week, too. Shout out to our girls, Wheezy and Mandy. Yeah, I'm on Decisions, Decisions this week. So check that out.

[B]

I was literally just talking to my friend about decision decisions. She was like. She's like, have you ever heard of the podcast? I was like, yes, yes. Well, yes, well, yes, actually, it rings a bell.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But anyways, let's jump into the black business of the week. So I received an email from Jasmine Chandler. She said, good afternoon friend. I hope this message finds you well. My name is Jasmine Chandler. I'm owner of Chandler Advocacy, a law firm dedicated to representing clients nationwide in Social Security managers.

[C]

Excuse me?

[B]

Generally I work with clients who are applying for disability benefits or a combination of disability and retirement with no upfront cost to the client. I also represent clients who need help resolving a post entitlement issue such as a continuing disability review or overpayment. And I'm writing to request consideration to be featured as Black Business of the Week. Before launching my firm in February, I worked for the Social Security administration for 14 years at various levels of the agency. She posted her link to her LinkedIn. I understand the nuances of the programs and use my experience to represent and educate others. I am one of a handful of black attorneys across the country who practice in this area and one of even smaller number of black owned law firms doing this work.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Wow, right? So for representation with any Social Security matters within our community, I can be reached through my website, ChandlerAdvocacy.com that's C H A n D L E R a d v o c a c dash y dot com or you can call at 844-443-3333. And that's Jasmine Chandler Chandler of Chandler Advocacy. How cool is that, right?

[C]

Jasmine Chandler. So beautiful sending your expertise our way.

[B]

Absolutely. So if you're looking for that, go ahead and do that.

[A]

That's gonna bless somebody, y'. All. That's a very specific need that's gonna bless somebody. Somebody that feels lost right now in the process. That yes, shout out to you, Jasmine, and God bless your effort efforts.

[B]

Absolutely. And as always, all links and all black businesses that we mention are always in the description box in case you're looking for. Sometimes people hit me like, what was that?

[A]

It's always, always in the description box.

[B]

You literally always be able to find it. Last week's episode titled three Hots and a God. That was such a terrible title.

[A]

Because he got the hell on and they were sitting there steaming.

[B]

I'm so mad. We are officially in our spooky season. We kicked off Crime Zone October with the case of the Caldwell triple homicide.

[A]

Start that shit off right.

[B]

Y' all had a lot of comments. A lot of people were shook talking about I had to turn it off and wait till we got light outside to finish.

[A]

Somebody said that to me at Culture Con, literally that they had to wait and listen to it during the day. I get off work at midnight. I had to wait until. What was that guy? I can't remember your name, but I remember you. He said that he had. He got off work at midnight and he had to turn it off and listen to it the next day because I was talking scary. And that was funny. When he said I was talking scary, that made me laugh. I was cracking up.

[B]

No, but let's talk about. Let's talk about. Part of the energy work I did this weekend was drive into the woods and stay at an a frame cabin. As soon as I started thinking.

[C]

As.

[B]

We got deeper into the woods and your phone stops working, I was like, see? See.

[C]

I'm sorry.

[B]

Wrong damn weekend. But anyways, Asante, who stood out to you in the comments?

[C]

A lot of people in the Spotify streets. The first comment I'm going to read is from Dallin, who actually commented on the title. D said, I would have called this three gots and a hot because three people got got and one man is out hot love pod.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I also want to share in dot Cole in that Cole's comment reads, men really be out here living double lives. I dated a guy for six months before finding out he had two kids and one on the way. Something in my spirit told me to check court records. Come to find out he had two child support cases and two protective orders against him. Ladies, check those court records.

[A]

Whoa. I mean, hey, get it. But free game. Game. What's that app they got now that Tell all?

[C]

That app.

[A]

What's that app They've been posting everybody.

[B]

Telling stories, but then they hack people's like IDs and it hacked their accounts because you have to upload your license. You have to upload your license so they could prove you are who you are. And they got.

[A]

See, that's what you get for being nosy.

[C]

But you need to be nosy according to that story last damn week. So I feel you check them court.

[A]

Records and court Cole.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

J. Cole, it's in Cole in dot Cole. Okay.

[C]

In dot Last in dot K dot Last comment is not from k dot it's from KC o'. Bannon. Last comment reads, just so y' all know, mountain lions sound like a women screaming, especially in the woods. Look it up.

[B]

Have heard that on TikTok.

[C]

So in the woods, don't go towards the screen. Pray she'll be all right and get the. Thank you. Okay, thank you for a tidbit because now I know that's right with that. Peace of mind that I'm actually running for my life.

[A]

I'm not running because that's how I am.

[C]

Okay? So thank you for that justification. A lot of other comments.

[B]

Come on.

[C]

A lot of other comments. A lot of people sharing love and expressing their own views with loss, love and light. To everybody out there, thank you all for sharing your kind, kind words. A lot of love went out to you, yours two friends. So everybody out there dealing with something, just, just love the damn world. Because like we were been talking about earlier in this episode, it's a lot of going on, you know, that's not close to us, but it still affects us. So you can only imagine how much harder things get when something directly in front of you happens and you still got to go back to what's going on in the world.

[A]

So yes, God, we don't want a.

[C]

Lot of things out there in those comments. That's it for me today, friend. What did you find out there in those streets?

[A]

I just want to talk. I want to make you laugh in.

[B]

The gated community Micol said, I am a true crime girly. So I apologize for this novel I'm about to write, but I fully believe that man is overseas somewhere. Why would you create a paper trail by going to pick up your murdered wife's car just to abandon it in the park with all his camping gear, all the victims phones, purses, which is how they knew to look there. I think the park is a red herring to get law enforcement to waste time looking for him there. Also, the first wellness check was for Cheryl and her husband from someone back in Houston, Utah. So I imagine the officer that did the second one where the bodies were discovered was thinking what the is going on out here? Before they even smelled the decomposition. This is so sad. They also said also I think he killed the animals to avoid them drawing attention from the neighbors over the days as they got hungry. I thought it was premeditated initially, but he also could have snapped by being surprised on his wife turning up on Twitter Smeeze with Me said, I wonder if they considered the possibility that once Gerald left the national park that he was able to get a hold of a plane. He's a pilot for wealthy people. I forgot he was a pilot. Not hard to believe that he used his connections to get a smaller plane to leave the country. I'm sure that's what he did. I didn't even consider that. Especially if you flight risk flying for right flying for wealthy people. Capcom said relating to Fran about that feeling after someone has passed away. My mom left a few years ago and while we had a good relationship, I lived on the opposite. Opposite side of the country and don't visit as often. We made plans to see each other again after she recovered, and within a month of that conversation, she passed away with only my sister around. Established. Still eats me up to this day that we didn't talk, that we didn't talk more, even though we talked regularly. And a lot of people were sending messages like that, like of not being there when their loved one passed or just the. The guilt of maybe not calling as much as they should or being as responsive to text messages or being there for like life events, you know. So I felt y' all on that, that as you can see, I was. I'm still kind of in my guilt phase as well of that. So peace to all of us that are just trying to figure it out. Right?

[A]

Love you too. I love you. Shout out to Lenny Williams anyway. In these Twitter sheets. In these Twitter streets, not sheets. Shout out to the wrong account. Shout out to SK The King YT who tweeted she was a real one. With a video. With a video from Whitney Houston performing a tribute that she refused to start singing in until Tupac's photo was added to the tributed people that had passed on. So this was right when Tupac had died and Whitney was like, I'm not doing it. Where's my boy? And then when they put it, yeah, Whitney was a real one. Shout out to Whitney of Houston. I also want to very quickly give a shout out to. Let me move past all this political. All my likes are a bunch of, you know what they are. I also want to get a shout out to. That's it. That. That's all this week. We just gonna leave it there. Shout out to Whitney Houston.

[B]

And that means that's it for the intro. Let's jump into this week's episode.

[A]

So.

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[B]

911 what is your emergency?

[A]

Get off the field. 911 has faced nearly every emergency on Earth. ABC Thursday they will go where no.

[C]

First responders have gone before. Five everyday heroes were launched into space. All contact with the spacecraft was lost due to a sudden geomagnetic storm.

[B]

Mission Control, do you copy?

[A]

The 911 season premiere Thursday, 8.

[C]

7 Central on ABC and stream on Hulu. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back this spooktober with another case. This week on the Friend Zone crime show zone, we are talking about the park sisters mystery.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

In 1989, there was a young woman who was murdered in the Arizona desert. She had baby girls, two baby girls. They vanished without a trace decades later because of new advances in DNA technology. Sorry, I'm. I was going to try to do the voice, but to be honest, I can't do the voice.

[A]

What voice?

[C]

The true crime voice. I can't do it. I just got to do it my way, y'. All. I'm sorry. I was really to try to commit to it, but I can't do it. Long story short there, this is the story of two sisters who actually didn't know what happened to their mother until these new advances in technology solved this case that went cold. So many years ago in the Mojave Desert, there was a crime that occurred. Remember back in 1989, I said there was a woman who went missing. Basically, these two sisters that I spoke of earlier, they didn't even know that they were lost or they didn't know their mother's name. They basically lived their lives on in their adoptive families not knowing what happen until they basically got these calls one day identifying that they had a mother and she was deceased. Y in Mojave County, Arizona, There are these four tourists back in December 12, 1989. They're near Highway 93 by Dolan Springs, and they pull off the road and they see something that's horrifying. It's the body of a naked young woman.

[B]

Gosh.

[C]

The woman, she was murdered and left in the desert. She had multiple stab wounds and appeared to have been killed at the very spot, maybe hours before.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

She didn't have any id There was no wallet, no papers, nothing to tell investigators who she was. And in the late 80s, there wasn't this. There were wasn't the same technology available. So that meant that the victim herself, she became a mystery. Detectives, they didn't. They saw that from her appearance that she was latina in her 20s, and that she had died a violent death. But they didn't have anything else to go on. So with no name, no obvious leads, the Mojave county sheriff sheriff's office listed her as a Jane Doe and laid her to rest without answers.

[B]

Scary.

[C]

Yeah. Like, could you imagine? Well, first of all, I wouldn't be in the desert, but apparently they were on their way to, I believe, the Grand Canyon. And just out there, see, like, you see a body, like, I wouldn't know.

[B]

When I hear people tell stories like that, I'm always more. Because, you know, they're going to replay that for the rest of their lives. Lives too.

[C]

Yeah. Like, you know how we talk about. There are just some things that you shouldn't see. Like that is smell.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's definitely, like, on my list of. I hope I never experienced that sort of thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because I feel like even experiencing it in passing for a short period of time, like, that changes you. Because the clues at the crime, they were very. They weren't. There wasn't anything, you know, super obvious. There still was forensic evidence that was of kind collected. They saw from the evidence that the killer hadn't acted alone, that. That there were signs that there were at least two individuals that may have been involved in the young woman's death.

[B]

Jesus.

[C]

The victim, she had no signs of pregnancy or children with her. And no one at the scene reported seeing any infants. So investigators had no reason to suspect that she was a mother. The local authorities at the time, it appeared to them that it was a sing. Singular tr. Tragedy. They just thought that it was an unidentified woman, you know, a Jane Doe who was left for dead in this desert. But after a bunch of investigation, this case went cold.

[A]

But over 30 years, if your job is to, like, investigate like that, there's no such thing as a Jane Doe.

[C]

Right.

[A]

There's a story behind every single person that you find dead that was alive. They have some. There's some connections to something somewhere. They had a life. And I just don't understand how they could just. Well, it. We don't know it Jane though.

[B]

It. Excuse me, but I guess if no one was looking for you, if you didn't have a record, you know, like. But I'm like, damn dental. Like, anything.

[C]

Well, it was 89. Like technology. Now it's like, all right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, investigations probably don't take but like two weeks, you know, if that. But like, back then just wasn't enough to go on. Yeah, it wasn't.

[A]

Something happened to me.

[B]

I went try to make it so be lazy.

[A]

I die with a look on my face and say, y' all better find story. I'm gonna die like this, Dustin, please. You know what I'm saying? With a look on my face like, that's how I'm gonna go, man. Cause they need to look for me, find me in some shit. Somebody looking, working for Me.

[C]

So, yeah, in 1989, the National Databases that they had, they were very much considered primitive to what they have today.

[B]

Yikes. Not primitive.

[C]

That's. I mean, that's how they view technology. I mean, when you really think we.

[A]

Had the way they gotten all this money for research from the government right now, ending all these research programs and. Oh, God, we're gonna be right back at Jane Doe.

[C]

Well, she was named. She was named Jane Doe and remained nameless in her murder. Unseen, solved, and basically her case, her cold case, continued to grow colder until February 2022, an investigator by the name of Lori Miller, again at the Mojave County Sheriff's Office, she decided to apply new technology to this decades old mystery.

[A]

So to your point, Dustin, like, thank God for her.

[C]

Yeah, to your point, Dustin, like, it sucks that sometimes we don't know how far the investigators actually are going, and then sometimes maybe they are going as far as they can. And at the the time, luckily, the people were connecting, you know, collecting samples of things, so they still had those things to go back to for this newer technology as it developed.

[B]

So it was Lori Miller, shoddy work. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. So Lori Miller, she decided to use the new technology to this old mystery. She resubmitted the Jane Doe's fingerprints to this updated FBI national to updated FBI and national databases. So then in 2022, she got a hit back. The prince matched a record from that same year, 1989, of a minor shoplifting arrest in Kern County, California. Now, remember, she was found out in Arizona, but under the name of Maria Ortiz.

[B]

Oh, my God. It's so crazy because I don't trust these directories, I guess you call them like. And I want to do it like I. I would love to do ancestry tree. What's the other one?

[A]

DNA.

[C]

23Andme.

[B]

23Andme. Like, I would love to do that. See what comes of it. You know, who I can be connected to, what Family tree information. I can find out. I think that's such amazing information, but I just find this.

[C]

Bam. You get tied to a crime back when you was 12 for stealing some gum, Right.

[B]

But it's so interesting to me how many murders and cold cases and, and things with serial killers that they never found. All these things are coming to light because of someone's cousin, someone's granddaughter, someone's daughter. It's so fascinating how this is really working in a lot of these cases. Favors, like, who would have thought?

[C]

Yeah, it's crazy that you say that, because in this case, she literally thought Lori Miller, because it was just a Jane Doe. She thought that she was just trying to solve the case on who that was. And like, oh, we got Maria Ortiz. But then as the investigation continues, it grows more legs, so it becomes another type of investigation. But Maria Ortiz was the hit that came back in that database. But Miller, her team was tracking down a contact from that arrest and it was Ortiz's former roommate. When they reached out to this former roommate, the woman said she didn't know anyone named Maria Ortiz. However.

[B]

Right.

[C]

However, she did recall a cousin named Marina Ramos that lived with her briefly. And her cousin Maria Marina Ramos, because she, you know, this was the roommate. She said, you know, I ain't nobody named Maria, but you know, my cousin Marina was up here. And she did go missing that very same year of 1989. You ain't said right out in California. Right. So that was another thing.

[B]

It was kind of like contacting.

[A]

So now we looking at you, cuz we looking at you. Go ahead and see.

[C]

So Jan, okay, so Jane Doe, who we learned her name was Maria Ortiz. Her real name, or the working name that we end up with, or the final name that we end up with was Marina ramos. So she's 28 and Marina was also a mother from California. So out in California, they put on.

[A]

Go from California, but go ahead.

[C]

Well, maybe not, because later on, because I was listening to some. So this story, actually there's a YouTube video for the ABC, ABC, whatever the Arizona ABC channel is out there. They did a report on this like months ago about Lori Miller doing this case. And then they ended up doing a follow up like a month ago about the other part of this case. So that's why I was like, this is kind of crazy how this just got updated, this cold case. I mean, it was updated in 2022, but they followed the story up in 2025. And then like another hit, like a hit came from.

[A]

So I'm ready to hate on the cousin, should I wait?

[C]

So the cousin actually, she's inconsequential. Like, she actually. Her.

[A]

She should have said something.

[C]

She, she definitely. Well, so in this moment, she said she said the right things because now we have an identity for the Jane DOE. Because. Yeah. 30 years later. Well, 30 years later, yes. So Marina's family, the news in 2022, because when they had to, when they found out that it was Marina, they had to let the rest of the family know. They ended up speaking to her sister, I believe her name was Margarita. And Margarita was saying some like, she had me emotional Because I was watching these videos and stuff, and I was like, damn. Like, they didn't show her. They just, like, had, like, a picture up while they were playing the audio of how she felt about everything. But let me read a little bit more of this before I get into Margarita. But her family was notified that it was, in fact her that had gone missing in 1989 that her body was found.

[B]

Imagine being contacted 30 years later.

[A]

Am I happy I have closure, or am I up all over again in.

[B]

A whole new way over something that you probably had to work so hard to process? All these.

[A]

I gotta say, I would want to have the closure, though I would rather know than not know.

[B]

A lot of families say that that's why they hold on, you know? And as years pass, they continue to be like, I have faith, especially with this new technology, you know, I would want to know.

[A]

I would.

[C]

Yeah, I believe it was the sister, Margarita. They were. When they were getting information, or I think she was just kind of like, talking about how her sister Maria, Marina, was. She was saying that Marina was always a little too trusting of people and how she had this strong sense of independence. So she just wanted to be out there in the world. So I don't. I forgot what the specifics were or why they assumed or thought that she ended up out in the Mojave. But I. That's why I didn't want to fault the cousin too hard, because maybe it was just Marina being like, girl, I'm out here and, like, I'm just doing my thing. And she probably didn't leave her, like, tell her where she was going or leave her number for where she'd end up or anything, anything like that. So I didn't want to give it to the cousin too hard. But you're right. I Wonder what the 80s, like, the end of the 80s, early 90s, looked like as far as, like, that effort.

[A]

So my thing is this. People don't just go missing. Right? And when people do go missing, you don't. It's not something that you're casual about.

[B]

So, yeah, like, they didn't. There wasn't a police report that you.

[A]

Wasn'T going to the police.

[B]

The body with which is what initially I was saying nobody was looking for her. There was no family campaigning.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Like, so the family had been looking for her, but they didn't know, apparently, that they didn't know she was in Arizona. She. Her family was out in California. They had. I have to get into a little bit more of that in a moment. Just because I want to get.

[A]

Come on, cuz. Me and friends ready to whoop that family.

[C]

Well, I don't want you to.

[A]

I like nobody saying nothing.

[C]

I don't understand.

[A]

Like, you don't find her in California. Look, else cross the state line, right? You got to expand the search. What are we doing here? Y' all just said.

[B]

And don't they use that information to be like, okay, is there a family looking for a young Latina from this age range that's been missing at this time frame? That's how they can piece together, you know, like, I saw them. Like, where was the open police Report or the 911 call or something?

[A]

And killing.

[B]

Like, he gonna tell you now.

[C]

It doesn't. Look. It doesn't appear that way. I will say that it doesn't appear that way.

[A]

All right?

[C]

But as the family absorb. As the family absorbs the tragedy, Marina's relatives, they shared with Lori Miller something that they didn't know, that wasn't known back in 1989, because, remember, they were. It was a Jane Doe out in mojave back in 1989. So once the law enforcement found out that Martin Marina had two daughters, it became a missing persons report now. Cause it's like, all right, we had the body for this, you know, mother that we found out that it was a mother. So now what happened to the kids?

[B]

Jesus.

[C]

When the family said that it was. When the family identified that it was Marina, they asked the question which totally blew Lori Miller away. They said, where were the two babies and who had never been seen again? So for all those years.

[A]

So there were two babies and kids killed her.

[C]

So for all those years when nobody investigated Marina's murder, they didn't even realize that there was another mystery that was happening, which was the fate of these kids. Right?

[A]

So nobody knew. Okay, wait.

[B]

So confused.

[A]

Nobody had. Like that. How did they.

[C]

So these. So the family again. So Margarita, she was sharing how Lori. Lori. How. Marina was very independent. So apparently Marina had got up and got her kids and was just out here. So I don't know know what the. I don't remember reading what the. The full story was. I think I have more information on one of her last whereabouts or one of her last indicators with somebody close to her. But I kind of want to save that because there's, like, a couple of other things in here that I haven't really shared with y' all just yet.

[A]

So at this point, the police. On the police side of things, they found this body. They found out that the. The I was about to say footprints that the fingerprints matched this bot. This girl Marina or what? Or Maria. Maria. Maria. Okay. They match her. And so then this is when they connect with the family. And at the time, the family is like, okay, that's her. Where are her kids? So the family was looking for the kids and her.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Just okay.

[C]

Yep. The family was like, okay, Damn. Like, basically the investigators called the family and was like, you know, sorry to say, but we've confirmed that Marina's dead. Marina's gone. They were like, damn, that sucks. Hate that, love and miss her. Where are her daughters? And then Lori was like, girl. What daughters? So this is when Lori Miller had to go back and do some more investigation, investigative work.

[A]

Well, she deserves the name recognition because if not for her, she would still be a Jane Doe and that family wouldn't know.

[B]

Yeah, Shout out to Lori the people that go and open up those cold cases. You know, work through them.

[C]

I would.

[A]

For hookah and drinks. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Did you say ride?

[A]

Light bites.

[C]

Light bites.

[A]

We could have rolled bikes, too, and talked about things. You know what I mean? She deserves it.

[B]

Dang.

[C]

No, Lori Miller, she was doing her big one. This was a story. Story that was reported on ABC15 Arizona. And the first video that was posted was eight months ago, when they were originally talking about this case. And then again, there's a video that was only posted a month ago where they were. So the video that was posted a month ago was where they were releasing. Because again, I've already revealed to you that they were missing kids. The feeling of revealing. The video revealed age progressed, photos of what the daughters could look like. Oh, in that new video that was.

[A]

Posted a month ago, this is when AI is useful. Continue.

[C]

So, all right.

[B]

Hello.

[C]

Got your technology piece. Good.

[B]

Creepy ass.

[C]

So now we're at this new chapter, right? Marina, she had two daughters. The daughter's name. Well, okay, so the daughters that were missing were Elizabeth Ramos, who was about 13 months old at the time, in 1989. Right.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

And then she had Jasmine Ramos with her as well, who was just a newborn of one or two months old at the time their mother was killed.

[A]

Irish twins.

[C]

So they vanished in that same year. Right. They are everything that went down with. When Marina was gone, the daughters were gone. So they didn't know what happened to these girls. They were like, are they still alive somewhere? The sheriff's office, they now had to focus on this investigation of this missing person's report. With the family's help, the investigators were Able to, able to look through old records and they were able to get some public assistance. Marina, Marina, sister Margarita and the other relatives, they provided DNA samples to law enforcement databases hoping for a match. The national center for Missing and Exploited Children, they got involved and in August 2025 that the video I was just telling you about that came out a month ago. This is when they reported they released age progressed images depicting what Elizabeth and Jasmine might look like as the women in their late 30s.

[A]

30S.

[C]

So I'm telling you that all of this like just happened and I'm kind of going back and forth because there were so many miss Missing pieces. Now one of the other things that I, I think I heard was that the DNA that was provided to help them was provided. Marina had an older daughter. I believe she was in Puerto Rico at the time with some other family. But I'll get back to that very shortly.

[A]

Babies?

[B]

No, she had three daughters.

[A]

Is the daughter Denise?

[C]

No, just hold on. I just want to give you that piece so I don't get her messing up.

[A]

I trust none of, none of these people.

[C]

The ABC15 family.

[A]

Go ahead.

[C]

The news report is called Arizona Crime Uncovered. It's an investigative series and the episode that I watch it, this is when it featured her cold case a few different times. But this is where they shared the age progressed sketches of the missing girls to generate new leads.

[A]

Did anybody look like them? I'm sorry, are you probably about to tell us that?

[C]

No, it's fine because you're teaching me where to edit down because my next.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? My mind is just.

[C]

Yeah, no, it's great. It's like production notes internally spiraling. Yeah, because this is what's supposed to happen. So there's some like feel like Alfre.

[A]

Woodard and what's the movie Holiday Hype.

[C]

I saw it before you said it and I'm mad.

[B]

No, your brain.

[C]

Lori Miller, the investigator at the time, she said she had one thing that kept her going. She never lost the belief that the two girls were alive somewhere. And as it turns out, she was right. Now before I get to where the sisters were found, we have to go back to 1989 again here on TikTok.

[A]

Why? That's what I want to know.

[C]

Well, because there was something from. There was a clue that there was there that I. That wasn't connected until decades later. Right. Because we didn't know about these girls being missing until now this year. Pretty much that same day. Or not that same day. Because this first heinous act occurred December 12, 1989, in Mojave County, Arizona. Well, December 14, 1989, in Oxnard, California, a passerby. Which is two days after, you know, that first incident, a passerby in a colonial park heard an unsettling sound. It was the cries of babies echoing from a public restroom.

[B]

Oh, goodness.

[C]

Investigators later pieced together that on that morning, a local woman walking near the park's bathroom heard infants wailing. And so they went to investigate. Inside the women's restroom, on that cold, wet floor, they saw two little girls, one about a year old and the other an infant, lying in a puddle, crying with no adult in sight.

[A]

A puddle of what? In the bathroom. Oh, my gosh.

[C]

They've been abandoned. The Good Samaritan quickly summoned the police, and they got the kids to safety. The kids were taken into protective custody and then later on put into the foster system.

[B]

Poor babies.

[C]

They didn't know who their parents were, obviously, or how the babies ended up there. But the incident did make local news. The two.

[B]

And you know what's scary? I would be so concerned on who to call with the way sex trafficking is and trafficking with children. I'd be mortified. Finding babies. Cause you're like, who can I trust, really gonna take care of these babies? You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But the world that we live in today and the thing that you. Things that you hear. Oh, God, those poor babies.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, the incident, it made local news, but at the time, it was just a heartbreaking mystery out in California. It didn't seem connected to a Jane Doe case in Arizona in any way. It was just like, even though it was, you know. You know, where's this. Where is their parents? The other Jane Doe case was just. Who is this? Like, no, not. It wasn't at the time. Time. You know, who's. You know, where's this person's children?

[A]

They didn't even know they had addiction.

[B]

Right. So they probably didn't even make the connection. Well, clearly, they didn't make. Yeah, yeah. Damn.

[A]

I used to somebody from Oxner, California. That's how I'm familiar with the town.

[B]

I only know it because Anderson Pac, his album. Wasn't it called Oxnard?

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

I think that's where he's from.

[C]

Well, the girls, again, they replaced it in the California Child Protective Services. And because they appeared to be siblings, they were kept together in the absence of their known identities. The officials gave them names. The older baby, she was named Elizabeth, and the younger baby, her name was Jasmine. After. So I was getting Conflicting stories here, but after some time in the foster care, a loving couple in the Ventur, Ventura county adopted the two sisters together and raised them as their own. So for these next 36 years. So just imagine these two girls in this adopted. Adopted family, Elizabeth and Jasmine. They were. They had no idea, you know, of this, the history of what happened to their original parents. They knew that they were adopted, and they. Because they learned that as teenagers, but they simply thought that they were abandoned as infants, and they didn't know anything about their biological family. They didn't know that their birth mother, her name was Marina Ramos, let alone what happened to her in Arizona. And they didn't even know really, that they were missing at the time, you know, because technically they weren't just left. They were literally missing from another person. Okay. So at this time, they went by new adoptive names. They went by Melissa for Elizabeth and Tina for Jasmine. Yes. So they were loved on stable. They had a good. They had a great upbringing. And then.

[B]

That's neat to hear, thank God.

[C]

And it was sad because Margarita, in the first video that I watched, because this is the. These are the two videos that I watched documenting. Documenting the case. And then I saw that the story broke that the girls were found out, which was. That happened, like, earlier September. So it's crazy how this technology that picked this case up this year, how even though it's been so long, it kind of quickly turned around some things that were happening as, you know, the process. It was given this new process with this new technology.

[A]

Yeah. Thanks to Lisa Turtle or. What was the lady's name? What was her name?

[C]

I knew it until you said Lisa Turtle. Lori Miller.

[A]

Lori Miller.

[B]

Because of her disguise.

[A]

Oh, because of her. Yes. Go ahead.

[C]

In the late 1980s and 90s, no one connected the dots between the. The. The two girls and the woman found dead. Back then, Marina's identity wasn't even known, and her family in California, they didn't have. They had no idea that the girls had been left in a park. They just thought everybody simply vanished.

[A]

Right.

[C]

In 2023 and 2024, the Mojave County Sheriff, that's when she was putting her effort, her efforts into finding Elizabeth and Jasmine Ramos. After she found out that she had these daughters. Right. Lori Miller, she learned that Marina had an older daughter from a previous relationship, an adult sister to the missing girls. Because I remember I told you that there was an older sister.

[B]

Right, Right.

[C]

This older daughter, she'd been raised by her grandparents, and. And she was living out in Puerto Rico. The older Sister, she gave the DNA and she did every kind of kid imaginable, said Miller. And so she could find her lost siblings. This DNA, the DNA profiles, they were uploaded to national databases and gen genealogy websites. Again, months went by with no major breaks. And then Fast forward to August 2025 this year when she'd received the news that she'd been waiting for, which was close DNA, a close DNA match. And it was.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So a woman on the west coast showed up as a high probability. Lori Miller called this woman. And she didn't realize how many lives it was going to to change. On the other end of the line was a 36 year old Oregon woman, Jasmine Ramos, Marina's youngest daughter.

[B]

You said Oregon woman, Oregon.

[C]

I did say that.

[B]

Jesus Christ.

[C]

I did. Sorry, I didn't see how close to you, friend. Sorry. Want to make sure you had a little space to breathe, a little room. But I can't even imagine because I'm moving really fast. But I can't imagine Jasmine picking up that phone. Hi, this is Lori Miller. Like you know.

[A]

Your mom is dead.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

What the.

[B]

She was killed and you guys were taken from her and left in the bathroom. It's like what? And you have an older sister in Puerto Rico.

[A]

The way I would have cussed the Lori Miller's ass out on that phone.

[B]

Wait, question before you keep going. Especially because was with the scandal damn likely cause I would have hooked up.

[A]

Like and I'm adopted. I would have went off.

[C]

Hell yeah.

[A]

Are you at your. You don't know what the. I done been through the kind of questions I've been asking myself.

[B]

How did they connect to her? But had she used one of those ancestry things?

[A]

I.

[B]

Because how did, how did the older sisters.

[C]

So they did confirm it through that. So she's talking to Jasmine Ramos, but her new name was Tina. So basically she calling Tina like you know, your name is Jasmine and you know your mom is lost and all that. So Tina, she said she was in shock when Lori called her. She was shaking and crying. She was nervous about everything because, you know, she knew she was adopted. But to hear, you know, what happened to you. Yeah, your world is like shattered. It's like, you know, you're getting some information that you needed to hear, but at the same time it's still affecting you. So where was Elizabeth real quick like.

[B]

Girl, you'll never believe.

[C]

Right? Look, she called her on the zoom. No, so because some of this is still developing, there's some certain details I didn't make clear because I wanted to make sure that the, the general story and this is still kind of developing even though we're getting some sort of closure from pieces of it. But after Miller was telling Tina or she was explaining to Jasmine, you know, that her name was Tina and everything, she told her that she had a sister that had been lost to their biological family for Dec. That she was the sister that had been lost to their family for decades and law enforcement had finally discovered who and where they were. Not long after Tina was able to connect with the very person that she never knew existed, her older sister. Investigators located 37 year old Melissa, who was Elizabeth, right in Arizona where she had. Where she'd recently moved and their identities. It just says that they were further DNA tested and confirmed the two sis. The two sisters separated since April infancy had been found alive and safe.

[A]

So I thought they were race.

[C]

So that's why I was saying earlier when I read that I was like I was reading some discrepancies and because this is still developing, I'm not entirely sure how it's come together because it's still.

[A]

They were adopted together and raised in the family or not.

[C]

So I think, I think they were in, in protective custody together. And then maybe when they went to the foster system they might have been together until the point I'm not entirely sure. Or maybe they were raised because it.

[A]

Earlier I said that because I thought you said a family.

[B]

Well, he said he got conflicting information. Yeah, because maybe ABC15 sources aren't don't.

[C]

Know because ABC15 they were reporting on like really the forensic information and how that's like, like that was their big thing. Right. Like, you know, the forensics is, you know, it's helping a lot of. I didn't get enough of the emotional or like the, the like foundational of like how things were working today just yet. Because I think everyone was still so in shock of like the heinous stuff that happened now them finally reuniting. But I didn't get clear. I didn't clearly get what happened with the sisters, like their upbringing because I was kind of conflicted on that too. I was like were they together? Were they separate? What happened? How did they tell each other?

[A]

I thought the other two had like lived life together as sisters that just didn't know their parents. And then the older sister was in Puerto Rico chilling. And I thought that she ended up reaching out to the girl, Tina who used to be named Elizabeth or no, Tina who used to be named Melissa. Melissa, right. And I thought that t. But then.

[C]

I thought no Tina used to be named Jasmine.

[A]

I mean, Tina.

[C]

Jasmine used to be named Tina.

[A]

Tina. I thought that Puerto Rico found Tina through all this search, Right. And I thought that Tina and the other baby who was older than her, were in communication, but I guess they weren't. I guess that's how all three sisters got. Got back connected.

[B]

Well, he doesn't know. Yeah.

[C]

So Marina. Marina, she discovered she had an older. No, the Marina family discovered that she had an older third daughter who had grown up with her grandparents through the old reports in the news archives. Miller. This is when she connected the final dots that the Jane Doe in Arizona was the mother of those two little girls found out in Oxnard, California. The timing, it was precise because it was two days. Again, it was that two days had passed. So now we have to build this timeline for this thing still happening with Marina. So we were able to get closure really quickly on her kids. Well, not quickly, but like, you know, as quickly as possible with this new updated stuff. Because Lori Miller was trying to, you know, work one case, and it became another one so that that other one was closing up. But again, from her being found on December 12, she was already dead by the time that the babies were left. Left in the park back in California. So they're trying to figure out there was like, there was no way that she could have left her babies there in that park. So again, the mystery is, you know, what happened. So 36 years, everybody thought that those girls were. They all thought that those girls were just left in that bathroom, like, willingly given up. Back in that original case for Marina when she was a Jane Doe, remember, detectives said that it was potentially. There were potentially two suspects that were on the scene for the crime that had been committed. Even though they were able to get this closure again, that's still heartbreaking to think about. Like, you get this call about what happened because I. I can't even imagine being adopted being, you know, hopefully and, you know, thankfully, I think these girls were loved up by their new families and then kind of receiving that, like, past heartbreaking, but still heartbreaking in that moment. News about what happened to that. I'm sorry, I just keep coming back to that piece.

[A]

It's just like, yeesh.

[B]

I don't. I know from personal experience, with friends that have been adopted, there's also always that hope that, you know, you'll reconnect at some point. Not for everyone, but a lot of people hope to reconnect with their bio parents or to know that they were looking for them, you know, like, that's important. So I'm sure this was kind of not what they wanted to hear, that their mom had been gone, you know, this whole time. Yeah, that's sad.

[C]

ABC had a chance to sit down with them, I believe. I. I was reading some of this. I didn't get to watch it because, you know, I do better when I get to watch the videos. Melissa, she was the older sister. She expressed grand gratitude. Well, actually, they gave ABC15 permission to use their first names and telling their story, Tina and Melissa, who, you know, were Jasmine and Elizabeth. But they reacted with a flood of complex emotions. They were. They spent a lifetime wondering about their birth family. And suddenly all the answers and more came in that single phone call. This is what I've been searching for and wanting for a very, very long time to figure out where I came from and who my family was, Tina said of learning her true identity. There was a sadness too. Tina confessed. I was happy to know the truth, but I was sad to know that my mom is gone and I would never be able to see her.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Still knowing that Marina had willingly left them. Still knowing that Marina hadn't, excuse me, willingly left them east. A deep seated pain, Tina said. All those abandonment issues that I dealt with when I was a kid were, like, automatically released, Tina told reporters, but her voice was breaking as she was saying that.

[B]

That's deep.

[C]

The oldest sister, Melissa, she expressed her own gratitude and resilience. She wanted people to know that she and her sister had lived good lives despite the unanswered questions of their past, she said. I want everyone to know that I'm okay, Melissa said in an interview with ABC15. I'm here. I've had a beautiful life. I have a wonderful husband. For her, the hardest part was, right.

[A]

My man, my man, my man.

[C]

And it was, it was good for her to share that too.

[A]

Said, look, I was doing good over here, you know what I'm saying?

[C]

It was good for her to share that too, because in that original video that I watched with the aunt Margarita, Marina's sister, she was saying when she got that call from Lori, you know, about the Jane Doe, and then when she asked Lori back, you know, what happened to the daughters, and she didn't know at that moment and, you know, through that time, she just wanted to know what happened to those girls and that they were okay. So it was, it was kind of like beautiful for Melissa to say that. Like, you know, like, girl, we did, we did good. We did.

[A]

I got a man, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

Hell, yeah, shut up, Dustin, Go ahead.

[C]

Melissa.

[A]

Said, hey, hey, Shante. She said, I gotta be home.

[C]

Melissa said the hardest part for her was processing that call from investigator Lori Miller. She said that that's the moment she realized this. She said that's the moment that she realized that this was her story. As soon as she said she was in a homicide.

[A]

I mean, I know this is deep for everybody, but of course that's the moment you realized this was your story. That's when you got the information. Are we not gonna lay it on that thick? Come on, Asante. Go ahead. As soon as I get it.

[B]

But, you know, laying on thick. This is crazy.

[C]

This is crazy.

[A]

It's Tuesday and this yesterday was Monday. Like, duh, have it.

[C]

No, because let's do some acting work right quick.

[A]

Dai, though, look, look, this she.

[C]

At that moment, she realized, like. Like that phone call, like, this is. That's what happened to me. Because you can only, like, you're thinking what could happen, Then you get that phone call and, like, this is what happened. Like, damn. Like, I can't even imagine.

[A]

I hope I never have to hold space. Wicked. Hashtag wicked space.

[C]

She said, as soon as she said she was a homicide investigator, I had this gut feeling she knew that she knew something about my parents. I just ran out of the room and didn't even know how to process what was being said. Melissa remembered.

[A]

She did.

[C]

She remembered of hearing the shocking news. Both of these sisters had to come to terms with the fact that their birth mother's face was tragic, but also that their aunt, cousins, and their extended family, they were searching and praying for them for so many years. It felt good to know that I did have family out there that cared for me, and I had been looking and that had been looking for me, even though I didn't know. Tina reflected later, I always think about.

[A]

The adoptive parents in situations like this, right? When they've been great. Because I know a lot of people didn't have positive experiences with adoptive parents, but I know a lot of people that did have really positive experiences with their adoptive. Adoptive parents. And I often wonder how you reconcile that as the adoptive parent when your kid wants to satisfy that curiosity or whatever, or even build a relationship with the birth family. Like, yeah, I don't know. I just. I feel for the adoptive parents sometimes.

[C]

Yeah, no, I understand, too. Especially in a moment like this, because you've given them everything you like. Because these girls, they said, you know, we. We grew up great. You know, like, we want married, you know, they grew up fine.

[B]

So for them, always have.

[C]

So the parents.

[B]

Biological need.

[C]

Yeah. So I'm sure those parents are like, you know, we did our thing. It just. And they probably even hurt more for their daughters finding out that that's what happened. There's probably like a sense of relief that you know, like an affirmation like, you know, I. Everything that I did for them, I'm so happy that I did that for them because look at what could have happened to them or something like that.

[A]

So I would support my kid in one though. Like it's my kid and if that's a deep emot. Emotional need for them, I would support them. Like finding out that information.

[C]

I wonder if that's part of the process. Like when you are daddy.

[A]

So I don't give a damn, you know what I'm saying? You can find your other family or whatever, you know who your daddy is. So let's just. We can. The other. You're doing.

[C]

You can do it.

[A]

I'll help you. Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

I wonder how that's discussed or if that's discussed during the adoptive process. Like, you know, like, do they. When they interview you, do they ask you questions about that? Like, you know, how would you process your child, you know, being curious about their upbringing or their original family, stuff like that.

[B]

At least that's literally a good question. Adoptive agency. Because I know some are a little janky, but.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Margarita and the rest of Marina's family, this was a discovery that the girls like. This discovery of these girls, it was a bright light at the end of a very dark story. After 36 years of not knowing that they finally have their nieces back, Marina's family does. Unfortunately, they don't have Marina back, but. But they do have, you know, pieces of her, which is where the aunt Margarita, this is one of the things that she was saying in her video. She was saying, oh, wait, the aunt Margarita, she was so overwhelming to hear this, that her long. That her long lost nieces were alive. The day Lori called her and told her the news, the first thing that came out of my mouth was, you're lying. Margarita admitted I like her. Once it stank in, she just started crying. It was something that I. That we always wanted to find them alive. And it did happen because remember this, this broke for her back in 2022 when Lori first called her, you know, about these girls. So for her to finally get that call that she got her nieces back, you know, she. She knew her sister was put to rest, but then she didn't know what was Going to happen with those ba. Or what happened with those babies. But to learn now that those babies were alive and doing so well, you.

[A]

Know, I hope they all got along.

[C]

Or are getting along because this is still. That they just. They all just.

[B]

August. Yeah. Yeah. It's super new. Wow.

[A]

You know, a month is enough time for me to know if I'm a with you or not. You know what I'm saying?

[C]

I just.

[A]

When I hear stories like this, I hope for the best. Okay. I would have went right. I'm going to my. I'm going to see my sister. We going to see Bad Bunny.

[C]

So with all of that said, you are so St.

[A]

Fr said they was in Puerto Rico at the Bad Bunny concert.

[B]

I'm guessing, you know, thing to do together.

[A]

Okay. Absolutely. Floor seats. I'd have been looking right at that house. You know that little house he have on the stage. I've been looking right at that house. Singing everywhere around each other.

[B]

What?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm telling you, we'd have been looking like. You remember that part on the Color Purple y' all all laughed at when Sierra came out?

[C]

Well, yes.

[A]

Remember that part that y' all all laughed at? Meanwhile, I'm sobbing in the movies, right? I'm sobbing because I took it seriously. They're laughing around me.

[B]

You saw me nuts.

[C]

I mean, insane.

[A]

I was overwhelmed. You know, if you ever been through something, you know what I'm saying? That scene you saw Fantasia was looking. You would have swore. That was really. That was Rico in them. Her brother, real life on the other side of singing that song.

[C]

I was going to get your little. You was real.

[A]

Whatever that song was. I was emotionally torn.

[C]

Everybody in Atlanta talking.

[A]

Y' all was talking about her shoes.

[B]

All kind of somebody like Sierra.

[C]

Everybody in the theater in Atlanta busted out laughing. I was burned.

[A]

The same thing happened to me when Precious came.

[B]

You know, we was in there howling.

[A]

I saw Precious at a screening that was invite only with like all these, you know, it was invite only. It was very serious and just whatever. And this is in Detroit. Before I was even working in media. I was a plus one, probably a plus two. But anyway, real. Then the movie came out. I go see it with my friends. First five minutes of the movie when they show her tennis shoes and Adidas. The whole theater laughing. And I'm like, this is such a different experience per who's in the audience. Because they laughed the whole goddamn movie. They laughed at Monique.

[C]

It is a feel good comedy.

[A]

That's what it was that night. Feel good.

[C]

XD says that precious is a feel good comedy. That's how he describes it, man.

[A]

But anyway, same. Same thing happens with the Color Purple. But I feel like that was this moment for them.

[B]

Wait, so can you imagine? Well, I know. Are you talking about. Yeah.

[C]

What's your burning question?

[B]

No, my question was. So they never solved the first case, which was what happened to Marina Ramos?

[C]

That is the burning question. Fran, I'm so glad you asked because that's literally the next part of my note. Because we still haven't found like we have a beautiful, you know, reunion. Yes. That's happening in real time.

[A]

We need to know who does done it.

[C]

But this is. This case is still cold. We still don't know who killed Marina Ramos. Right.

[B]

And she was killed in Arizona, you said in the desert. But the babies were found in California. So she was killed and then they traveled with these children.

[C]

Two days later, the babies left them.

[B]

It's like, what. What happened?

[C]

Well, so strange again.

[A]

I hope your is dead. Whoever did it, I hope you died a horrible ass death too.

[C]

I hope with. With the sisters found safe, the Mojave county sheriff's sheriff's office, they had. They went back to solving this case of Marina Ramos. We know, obviously we knew it was a homicide from the original. The original details provided. But now we know that it's urgent as ever. Not just for justice's sake, but for now. This family that has endured all of this uncertainty, like they're reunited, but now it's like still reunited in some they investigators, they do have some leads and theories. And they had one name in particular that loomed largely in Marina's story. Oh, Fernando. Now, according to Marina's family. Yes. Dustin. Get in, Dustin.

[A]

Because who is Fernando?

[B]

Hold on.

[C]

According to Marina's family, back in August 1989, a few months, you know, before the incident, Marina, she'd been in jail for a little bit for the shoplifting charge. Remember that's when they originally thought that her name was Maria. Right, Maria.

[A]

Marina changed that name when they asked.

[C]

Yeah. When she got locked up, she was like, that's not my name. Okay. Or maybe that's what they heard and they it up.

[A]

But anyway, let them think it.

[B]

Go ahead.

[C]

She had a cousin named Esther. Now Esther, she was actually caring for. Caring, excuse me, for baby Elizabeth and the newborn Jasmine. During that time back in August, Marina, she was released and returned to pick. And she returned to pick up her daughters. And she showed up only with the. With the man named Fernando. She told her cousin that he was gonna help her start a New life.

[B]

Oh, we was just talking about this.

[A]

At the top of the show.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Marina said that her and Fernando, they were gonna go to Ontario to build a fresh start. Ontario, California. Excuse me. To build a fresh start for themselves and the girls. That was the last time that Marina saw her family, that Marina's family rather saw her alive. So Esther was the last person to see her with Fernando. After Marina's remains were identified in 2022, Esther helped law enforcement by working with a forensic artist to draw a composite sketch of this mysterious Fernando from memory.

[B]

Now, damn, that's tough, CUZ that was 30 years ago.

[C]

And I was going to say. Shit, I was going to say smoke.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[C]

It's crazy because to your original point, Dustin, What? Friend.

[A]

Friend. Here you go.

[C]

Friend.

[A]

I believe now that was 20 because.

[B]

You got me so detailed, they gonna ask like eyebrows, you know, I don't. God, I would be so useless.

[C]

Oh my God, I would just be around gay people.

[A]

It is arch, really. Just three lines.

[B]

Three lines.

[C]

I was just confused here because. So last Esther saw, she didn't even know that Marina was missing. Like she was like, all right, I guess this bitch going to Oxnard, California. I mean, Ontario, California, California. So like she didn't even even know that anything had happened to them.

[A]

She just hadn't heard from them.

[B]

You mean this whole time she didn't.

[C]

Know up until 2022, get. Oh, no, no, no, no.

[B]

Something's weird. This family's kind of tripping me out. So you okay? I don't know.

[C]

So hold on, let me just give you a couple of examples, right?

[B]

I'm a cousin, but that's kind of crazy.

[C]

So she made this sketch, the sketch that they made, it, it showed a young Hispanic man with glasses. That was just one of the. A few like visual clues in the case, the glasses. Because again, it's like, you want me to go back in time, how long he had glasses? But that was the all they had to go on. It was Fernando in this sketch. Was he a friend, the father of one of the kids? Yeah, that dangerous stranger.

[A]

Where's their father?

[C]

We didn't know. But investigators, they wanted to find Fernando. Yeah, they wanted to find Fernando and they wanted to figure out what the he had going on. The other clues that there are. There are other clues that might have paint that paint the picture of what could have happened. Right, Right. The evidence from the desert crime suggested that there were at least two people involved. As I said earlier, that almost implies that if Fernando was one of these Persons of interest that was involved then he didn't act alone. So when in Oxn, California, when the girls were abandoned, a witness in the area of Colonial park back in December 14 reported seeing three individuals with two small children that day.

[B]

Oh, Jesus.

[C]

Specifically, she described a special Hispanic woman and two Hispanic men with a black mini pickup truck near the park. The witness saw one of the men carrying the older toddler and the woman holding a baby wrapped in a yellow blanket as they walked into the park. Moments later, those mom. Those adults were gone and the two little girls were left behind in the restroom. This sighting was reported to police back in 1989. But without knowing about Marina's murder yet again, the information remains just a fragment of the story. So now that Lori Miller and her team have put this together, they use. They're using this as a lead as they're revisiting those details of the missing girl story, trying to figure out, you know, whoever left the B babies behind were connected to what happened two days prior. They believe that the trio seen in Oxnar park were either directly or indirectly involved in Marina's death. Who are they? Was one of those men Fernando, who was the identified woman in the red skirt? Because there was the woman that was carrying the baby. She had on a red skirt. These are questions that haunt this case. Investigators suspect that after killing Marina in the Arizona desert, the perpetrators, possibly the same people spotted in Oxnard, drove the children 400 miles to southern California to. To abandon them, where they might be found, found safe. It's strange because whoever killed Marina, I guess assuming that they were all working together or like, like this is again, like one of those things that happened last week because we can't find Fernando and like we don't really know how or why Marie Marina was murdered, how and why the babies were ended up in California being left, like there are just things that we still don't know. Until we find Fernando.

[B]

They can't use hypnosis. You know how sometimes they do. I'm so serious.

[C]

I know.

[B]

I know the girls.

[C]

I know.

[B]

And try to take them back. Don't act like when it was infants.

[C]

I know it was just. See. Hold on.

[B]

Some thoughts going.

[A]

How would they be able to artic. So if you. Okay, wait. Because we need to break.

[C]

Because now they have into it, right?

[B]

They have the memories in there somewhere.

[C]

They still need to be hypnotized by little girls.

[A]

Would they come out as gibberish? Like if you hypnotize me, right. And ask me something as a baby.

[B]

When I be like, yo, you know what?

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Or just cry, you know, I don't know. Like, how would that work, friend? That's one of my trigger.

[B]

It just might trigger some thoughts, you know what I mean? Some things that got buried over time. There's some people that remember, remember from when they were 1 and 2 in such vivid detail that I'd be amazed. I'd be like, wow, you've never talked to someone? What? Hypnosis?

[A]

Well, is that what you're talking about? People being hypnotized on camera and recalling shit from being one or two? I want to see that.

[B]

But I also mean people in general. Like outside of hypnosis, there's some people you talk to and they remember shit so vividly from when they were one that they can talk to you about a party, a person. Mine doesn't go that far back, unfortunately, but some people really do have that ability to tell you this was the person. They'll describe them like. So I'm curious if there's. If that can be triggered in some way.

[C]

Like, like we do not have that. But I know exactly what you're talking about. I have like vivid like images that I can think of when I was like 4, 5, 6, like, you know, some. Somewhere in those maybe. But I've met people that are like, oh, I, I remember.

[A]

I can remember like 2, 3. Cuz I remember learning how to read and I learned how to read when I was 2 and I can remember my mama making me read. What does that say? And having me read the newspaper.

[C]

I can remember that some connected.

[B]

Yes. I don't know. This is crazy.

[A]

That's why we need you on this investigative team, friend.

[C]

Not for real, because Esther need to be.

[B]

Get her out of here.

[C]

They are re interviewing witnesses, following up on old leads and they're utilizing these modern forensics on the evidence. Agency agencies like the FBI and the Arizona Department of Public Safety crime lab are assisting local law enforcement as they did in helping find the girls. New tips have been coming in since the case garnered fresh media attention and the investigation is very much active.

[A]

Good.

[B]

They always told somebody something, you know, people be bragging on, especially if they got away with it, like Hope. Hopefully they was chatty pattying their way into getting found now. You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah. After all these years, it feels almost like this could come to a close now that, you know, for, for Lori Mueller. Lori Mueller, Lori Miller. It's like she opened this case, she knew she needed to get some sort of resolve and she ended up coming up on what could be. Be perceived as some at work. You know, like, damn, this is like a dual case. But then that case got resolved. Resolve that. Like, that's crazy to me that you can be in the middle of a cold case and now a missing person's. Well, two missing persons are involved. And so now, luckily, you resolve that. Missing persons in a couple of years. But this case that's still over 30 years old, it sits on my desk. Like, how do I. I solve that? But with all these new things connected from the other case, from when those girls were missing, you're able to. They're re interviewing these witnesses, so now they have new, fresh details. Even with Esther, like, you know, they got. Because she's the one that provided the sketch. So with that sketch, these unidentified suspects.

[A]

And this unsolved murder she did because she's sketchy. Not saying that for them damn years, as far as Miller is concerned.

[B]

No, I was just gonna say the people that got away with it. Imagine getting away with something for this many years, and then you see the case start getting hot again. I know. They'd be so dang sick.

[A]

Bricks.

[C]

Do you hear me?

[B]

30 years, you thought you was cool.

[C]

When they tell you, don't get too comfortable.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Well, get them.

[C]

There's a sense after all these years that there's a finish line in sight. But they need the public's help. They're counting on someone out there recognizing the face in that composite drawing or remembering the name Fernando from the late 80s. The park sisters mystery, as we may call it. It's not going to truly be resolved until we know who killed their mother and why.

[B]

Poof. Lloyd. And all the energy they need to get this case closed, because that is crazy. Why did they do that to that baby?

[C]

The baby?

[A]

We want to know, man. Well, God bless them and God bless her memory. I really hope they find the. That did that same. Yeah, it's awful what you've done.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

You know, this is reminding me of. I don't know if y' all saw the cage of a lady called La Diabla, which translates to the devil. And she was. She is a woman. Got busted. She had a whole network in Mexico. I don't know what part. Forgive me. She was, like, luring young, pregnant women under the guise of helping them and then stealing their baby, disposing of the women. And then she had, like, an adoptive surgery service that she created, but, you know, underground, like, black market style.

[A]

Selling babies.

[B]

Selling babies. But this is the process that she would take. And once they figured that out, the amount of missing women, I mean, I'm like, oh, what kind of person? You know, that's crazy. Like the shit that people are out here and that they're capable of, it's just unfathomable. I can't. Like my mind can even wrap itself around someone moving like that. That and this, you know, this makes me think of that just killing someone, taking their babies.

[A]

It's just like y' all heartless up ass people, man. I can't imagine. I can't. I was not. I'm just not as jaded as I am about certain things and as many up. Horrible things that humans have done to me, right? Horrible things that I don't even talk about.

[B]

Same.

[A]

You could never ever do nothing. I just could not. I can't even fathom doing something like that. I just can't.

[B]

There's some dark people.

[A]

I'm a. I'm a. I'm a. I'm a. I'm a evil integral. I have integrity in my evil. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm. You know, like if you. I have evil integrity. Like if you. I'm on the right side of things, right? So if I'm getting you back for something, then we can be evil to you. You know what I mean? But I'm not just gonna be evil to somebody. I can't even imagine doing that.

[C]

That's when the yanking Yang.

[A]

I can't even imagine doing that. That I just. It's just. It's mind blowing when I hear some of the things that people do sometimes.

[B]

My God, I just heard this case this week. I was stuck. Like, what the h. What a level. Yeah. Girls probably needed help.

[C]

Like that could be connected to this too, the story you're talking about. But even like just in general, like, that's awful, you know, like these little.

[B]

Girls networks and people. You know that Fernando guy who knows he's over here telling her he's gonna help her.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Clearly she was vulnerable. If she's even going with this man and her babies. So they can smell that a mile away. And who knows if he was part of a similar network to this lady.

[A]

It's just that all around, please trust your instincts and then even challenge those sometimes when it comes to trusting other people. When you're in a vulnerable position like that, think about harm, think about risk, think about all of those things. Like before you make these decisions to connect yourself to these people in these ways that are so permanent and that. That put you at risk of so many different vulnerabilities. Right? Like, just. Just please be smart, y'. All. Please do not be letting these people brainwash you because you down bad. Please don't do that. I know it's difficult, but it's hard.

[B]

They be doing the long con, too. You know, a lot of people. Long smart.

[A]

You have to do the long smart, and you have to think about that in the beginning. How far could this go? What is the potential here for me to be susceptible to something even though this feels good right now? What is going on in this other person's life? Why are they trying to persuade me that they can help me anyway? Why? You know what I'm saying? What can they get out of this? You have to always ask yourself them kind of questions.

[B]

So it's hard out here. People need help. They lonely. Yeah. And they cling to her.

[C]

The. The abc Sit down. Because, remember, I told you I was watching the. The videos of the recaps. The ABC Sit down. That happened. That sat down. That sat down. That story was reported September 25, 2025. So, like, these sisters are still freshly dealing with this information and everything that's happened.

[B]

Is this on Hulu or. Because I saw the banner for the two sisters.

[C]

I did not. I was YouTubing.

[B]

Okay. I feel like I saw. Unless it's another story that's similar, but I literally saw a banner about two sisters who just found out about their mom's case. You know what I mean?

[C]

I was like, oh.

[B]

But I didn't. I didn't click it.

[C]

That would be crazy.

[B]

That's what this is. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Because, I mean, this. This case has been cold for so long. And then I think the sisters were notified. I don't. I believe they were notified this earlier this year. Year. So, yeah. Or maybe they've been testing this year and it's been confirmed. Oh, no, not early this year, but, like, you know, a couple months ago. So, yeah, everything's happening really fast with this. It's still happening on the ABC15 website for the story. The story actually is titled Never Give up. Aunt of Missing Girls Reacts after they're Found Alive. Or there's multiple stories. Missing sisters found alive decades after mother's murder in male Hobby County. There, Arizona has been following this story, like, almost in real time. So that's why I felt like that was where I needed to focus most of my efforts on this episode. If you all want more information, definitely check out the ABC15 web website. Arizona. If you live out in the area, check it out if you might have any information on Fernando. Prayers to those sisters, their families, and I hope that they get some sort of closure. I wanted to share your story. Yeah, Margarita, Margarita. I want to shout her out. She. She told herself for years to keep the faith, Never give up, always keep faith. Margarita advises other families who are still searching now. Her own faith has been rewarded in seeing her nieces found alive. Margarita believes this moment marks a new chapter for their family. And soon she hopes to embrace Elizabeth and Jasmine, to tell them face to face about the mother who loved them. I really want to meet them, hug them and hold them, she said, careful not to rush them as they prosper, process everything. So even with that, and then being reunited in something so terrible, I love that the aunt, she's. She's gracious enough to give them the space that they need, but still wants to give them all the information that they desire as well. So this was a. A terrible twofer. Luckily, one of them ended, you know, as good as it can. As good as it can.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But we still have that loose end out there. So that's it for this week's Spooktober spectacular here at the Friend Zone. Hope you all were informed as much as you were entertained. I wanted to find something. I. I wanted to find something AI related, but I also did not want to touch that.

[B]

Too real.

[C]

This was not AI related. This was tech related. Like there were tech markers in there and it was good tech. So I didn't make that the focus.

[B]

Because I want to.

[C]

It was useful tech, but I want to make sure I rooted myself in the facts and not just, you know, spotlight.

[A]

So it ain't AI for them to do the age progression. That's not AI, I think. Think AI.

[C]

Well, okay, so for that, maybe they do use they. Maybe they do use that for some of those, but they, I do think use AI even in some of the DNA testing or markers to some degree. So AI is up and through there. I just ain't, you know, really get into that meat because this story already had so many layers on top of it.

[A]

See this one? You should pitch the AI to a like me because you won me over with it this week. You know what I'm saying? It was useful.

[C]

I'm already winning by soft selling it because the value.

[A]

Tupac shopping in Target. Did y' all see that?

[B]

What?

[A]

There's a AI video going around right now all over Twitter, home board and Tik Tok. That's Tupac shopping in Target. Then there's AI videos of Michael Jackson and Kobe Bryant arguing about who had the best funeral. These are AI videos. Yeah. That are coming.

[C]

Can I tell you, since we're doing this, there are two videos that have. There are two types of AI videos that are coming across my desktop that are really pissing me off. There was fruit. Never mind. It's just digital fruit being cut. Never mind the glass.

[B]

The glass. Fruit being cut.

[C]

It's like the fruit being nasty with fruit. And I don't like it. I don't like it. And then there's another one of, like animals arguing. A pregnant animal arguing with another animal. I don't like none of it. Everybody log off.

[B]

See that?

[C]

I don't want to be super descriptive about anything because all of it is awful and I don't want it and I don't want to tell you it. So you send it to me. If you see it, block it, please. And just stop it. Okay.

[A]

And see, it started with two girls, one cup.

[C]

Oh, no. See? And that's.

[B]

Now, let's jump into this week's segments because.

[A]

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[B]

So this week in wellness, I was going to ask you guys about your beds. Yes, honey, when you were buying, right? No, not that part of the beds. When you were buying. When you were buying your mattress that you have now, or even when you're buying mattresses. Because we've been having our apartments for many years now, many different cities, but we've been having to be in charge of those decisions. Right. How did you choose your mattress? Was it something that you think you were informed on what you needed, or did you just order it and hope it was cool? Or did you go in and lay on it and decide from how it made your body feel? Like, how did you decide that?

[A]

My mom used to be. She used to always. My mom was, like, hyper aware of our mattresses and stuff when we was kids and shit.

[B]

That's so cute.

[A]

So I remember going to the stores and, like, trying sitting on the different types, the pillow tops, silly Posturepedic. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I actually tried something different with my most recent two mattresses because I bought Casper mattresses, and that was different for me because I'm used to going to a furnace furniture store.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And getting, you know, trying out different mattresses or whatever. So I did go into the Casper store here in New York City and see, you know, do a little research or whatever before I did it, but it was something new for me, so.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And it's. That's very, like, New Age, right. With, like, the convenience of it coming to your house and how it comes wrapped up, like, all of that, I'm.

[C]

Like, is this some cheap shit coming in the box?

[B]

But, yeah, I think. I think it's. You know, most people are just choosing out of convenience, which is why I asked if, like, you did. Were you more intentional with the decision making? Because a mattress is so important. And I.

[A]

Your whole day up, yo.

[B]

It can change so much about your posture, your spinal alignment, your, like, so many things that will affect you for the rest of the day. So I'm like, is it something that people are taking into consideration? Consideration?

[A]

And, you know, you can't have. I can't have a cheap mattress.

[B]

It's not worth it in the long run, honestly. You will pay.

[C]

You will pay.

[B]

My knees.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

I can't.

[A]

Oh, I have to have support. It's a lot of weight. When you think about It. You know what I'm saying? It's more than the average mattress has to withstand. So, yes, I had a big ass, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's a lot of weight. People don't think about that side of this gay thing. You know what I'm saying? We got to put. Buy good furniture.

[C]

I was about to say, I consider that when I buy my mattresses too, Like, I, like, I'll be looking at the weight limits. I'll be looking at the temperature zones. Like, you got to make sure it's going to support your body temperatures. I mean, some mattresses run hot. And I'm like, I ain't realized this was a thing now. Thank God I never got trapped with one. So to my original point, when I first had a mattress when I moved to New York, I think it came with the apartment. It was a new mattress, but it was probably off one of them street corner or whatever the. So I had a used mattress for many years. What I felt in my head. And that mattress was very uncomfortable. And then my, like, the first mattress that I got outside of that was a match. Casper. That Casper was cool. I was really with it. It was a brand new bed. But I was also skeptical too, because like you were saying, it came in a box. So I was like, all right, matches in the box. We'll see how it goes. But I was so, like. But I was so impressed by it. And I was like, maybe my body is just happy to be in on a new bed, but, like, this does feel good, especially for this bitch to have to just folded out. Like, I thought it would be a little stiff. But to the earlier thing we were discussing, I believe I was running a little warm. And maybe it was because I didn't have central AC or whatever at the time. I felt like that bed, you know, added to the heat a little bit. I was trying to offset that with like different sheets and stuff, but I was. I had to sleep in different places on the bed to, you know, support that.

[A]

Being hot while you sleep is miserable for me.

[C]

It's terrible. It's terrible. And have that box fan, like, you know, blow that wind, but that wind is a little high anyway.

[B]

God, is just circulating hot, hot air.

[C]

Terrible.

[B]

But that's one of those things that I don't think people even consider when buying a mattress like that. Actually, there are mattresses that are for people that need a cooler mattress, and then there's mattresses for people that actually need a warmer. It's like, where did all this technology for mattresses come from. Has it always been that way, or were we just young and didn't know? And now, even, like, if you're sharing the mat and, you know, sharing your bed with someone, there's mattresses that keep in mind how much you move so that you. You're not disturbed if your partner is. Is constantly rolling. It doesn't adjust your side of the mattress. Like, all these things. Obviously, the firmness, softness, you know.

[C]

Right.

[B]

That's something to consider based on your weight, too. Apparently, the lighter you are, you might want a softer ma. And apparently, the heavier you are, you might want more of a medium mattress or a firmer mattress that gives more weight distribution. Just these things. And it's funny why this is coming to me is because I told you guys that I had messed up my band on my back. And I found that laying in my bed. And this had nothing to do with my mattress. This was in the gym, but I found that going. Trying to lay in my bed with that pain was misery. Like, I was. I had no. And I'm a side sleeper that also sleeps on my back, and nothing was working. So I literally came down. Oh, it was awful. I came down to the living room, made a little palette. I have a cozy rug, but I made a little palette, turned on the fireplace, and just laid on the floor. And I slept on the floor for a week. And I. Y', all, I kid you not. It was the best sleep.

[C]

Body needed that.

[B]

And I was like, what the fuck? And the band pain is gone. It's almost like it helped relax my muscles and my joints in a way that I guess my mattress has not been helping with, you know, with spinal alignment. And it shocked me. I was like, should I be sleeping on a firmer mattress at this age and at this weight and just how my body has changed, Maybe my needs has changed, have changed. And these are things. You know, we've been working with Lisa the. And when we were working with them as an ad, one thing that we did is look through the site and see the different aspects of a mattress, right? Like we were saying, cool mattress. They even ask questions, like, about sex. Are you active? Like, all those things.

[A]

The best fit, the best mattress to.

[B]

Get the best fit for your lifestyle. And I. And I was telling my partner that I. The best leg. That was good. I was telling my partner. I don't think that I ever sat and questioned all these things. I. Mainly, for me, the biggest thing that I would focus on was, like, it being a natural mattress that had didn't have toxic fibers. You know where we're like sleeping on this thing.

[C]

Right.

[B]

It can't be some shitty. Like, I need to know. I'm. Oh, yeah, yeah. You hear a lot about foam. Those foam mattresses and what they let off and people having allergic re reactions and long term RA ramifications to their health because of their mattress. There's a lot of out there. Oh, hell. So I've always focused on that side. But I realized I didn't focus on the actual impact on your spinal alignment, you know, considering your weight and all these things. And sleeping on the floor this past week, since last episode, really, because it had just gotten so bad. I was like, yo, I can't. I have to lay on the floor. Nothing is bringing me relief. And I could kind of. And one thing too. When you're someone that has a big butt, your lower back doesn't actually touch the floor. So I had to elevate my legs on the couch a little bit. And then that allowed my back to lay flat completely. And then I didn't sleep with a pillow. So there was no elevation on my neck either. Like, I was literally just flat.

[A]

Yeah. Or like basically like a table. Basically.

[B]

Right. And it was so great. Like when I tell you my body, it was like a sigh of.

[A]

That was smart.

[B]

Yeah. It was intuitive too, because I could have just been spinning on my bed for the week, just being like, fuck.

[A]

This shit hurts off at three Tylenol five hundreds. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

When something say get low.

[A]

Yup.

[B]

Just get down to the bare bones. Literally. That's what it felt like. And I did it and it fucking helped. Like the band paint is gone. Mind you, this is not medical advice. Not at all telling anybody that has back issues to lay on the floor. I'm saying what happened to me, it really helped. And it made me reconsider my mattress and feeling like, oh my God. I always thought people that slept on like, hard ass mattresses, I never understood that. I never understood it. I always felt like, what's wrong with you? Why would you want your bed to feel like a plank? You know what I mean? But now I get it. And there's some people I was reading, of course, this sent me into a rabbit hole. Reddit, all kinds of forums, people sharing the science behind mattresses and even going on different websites where people actually research this shit. And they were saying, like, a firm mattress has so many benefits, it's not for everyone. Like I said, if it's lighter person, you do have Your preference? You prefer a firm mattress?

[A]

Yeah. Not super firm, but on the firm side.

[B]

Closer to the side of the spectrum.

[A]

I need to feel like I'm supported. I don't want to be sleeping in a damn bean bag. Sloppy as hell.

[B]

I don't want to feel like that cozy.

[A]

I achieved that with my comforter and my pillows. I have, like, eight pillows on my bed, so I. You know what I'm saying? So I have. I cheat. Receive it that way. But because I do like to cocoon myself with, like, my blanket and pillows. But as far as the mattress up underneath me, I need to be supported. Like, have y' all seen Tiana Taylor's album cover for her new album? She's, like, on this. Up on this table, lifting up, and that's how I want to feel when I'm in my mattress sleeping. Like, I want to be supported.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Firmness.

[B]

Yeah. Asante. What did I know? You just got a mattress too, actually. Did you care about any of that, or you just were like, yeah, I'm gonna get.

[C]

Yeah, I want to do all the props. No, I'm just kidding. I did go through all the prompts. I'm trying to remember which one I got specific so I could pull it up. But, yeah, I remember before I got this mattress, I had bought one from DreamCloud, and that one was firmer than the last mattress that I got. And the reason I bought that because. Or the reason at that time, I wanted a firmer ones, because I remember being in and out of hotels and being like, damn, the beds are firmer in hotels. I. I normally find it's like the bedding that makes it softer. So I remember going into wanting a new bed with wanting a firmer bed.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Have you ever, like.

[B]

Have you ever noticed that now that you're saying it, it's funny because you're saying it now. I'm trying to think, like, when I go into hotels, is it a firm bed? But I can't. I can't.

[A]

You get good rest in hotels. At least you did when we was on tour. I'm talking about you specifically, friend. You know, you used to get your rest. You would get your rest, and we knew to what nd not disturbed. We knew when Fran was resting. That's it. Don't ask her if she want to go nowhere.

[B]

And the thing is, this is important to me. Like, I've talked about this before. I'm absolutely the girl that gets nine, ten hours of sleep. I don't play. I love my sleep. I think it Just helps me move through the day in a different way. But I think I've had my mattress mattress game backwards. Like, you're saying it should be a firm mattress for me and then get my coziness through my. Maybe. Yeah, the bedding, the pillows, maybe even a little top. The padding, Like, I don't know. I'm. I feel like I'm gonna have to switch it up.

[C]

Did you get a luxe plush?

[B]

The Lisa mattress? Yeah, No, I got the natural. Of course.

[C]

No, but. No, but I mean, like, the natural hybrid. There was the scale of, like, how soft or firm the mattress was. It was like, either the one was the soft, 4 to 6 was lux plush, and the 10 was the firm.

[B]

I don't think the natural had that option.

[C]

Oh, yours didn't have that one?

[B]

Yeah, I think I got a. It was just natural.

[C]

I got a legendary mattress.

[A]

Your mattress is hybrid.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

I know you drive a hybrid. I know you had to sleep in a too.

[C]

I do, honey. I do. Conscious.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

It's a woke showing natural fibers.

[B]

The first one I looked for. And it's cool. Which, you know, I'm older, I'm a little hot, running hot. But now I'm like, slow key. There's some things that I should have considered, and this mini injury kind of let me know that. And so now I'm like, hmm, Michael, back to the drawing board with my matches game, my bedding game. Because I have a. I had an avocado mattress.

[C]

Before.

[B]

Yeah, wonderful brand. Really earth conscious. And like I said, it's just conscious about its effects on your health.

[C]

Smells like avocados.

[B]

It doesn't, but it's a great mattress. Very expensive. But I got it off the strength of just that. You know what I'm saying? And so. So now I'm like. I just feel more informed, especially as I'm getting older. And, you know, you're supposedly supposed to change your mattress every 10 years. They say you're supposed to, like.

[C]

Yeah, see, I thought it was 10 years. I saw someone say seven somewhere, and.

[B]

I was like, well, I feel like there's always gonna be conflicting information. I don't know is.

[C]

But I did believe it always to be 10 years.

[B]

And then they say you're also supposed to rotate it as well. I don't know the. The time frame for that, but you're supposed to turn it over.

[A]

I turn my bed over often, like, monthly.

[B]

Yeah, I know very.

[A]

You know, like, when it comes to linens and.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

But I'm just saying, like, I'm a. I'm one of them washer sheets regularly of a bed.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Skin my eyes, be sensitive to bacteria and stuff. Like, I can't. I don't play them games.

[C]

Or certain types of beds. You can flip them and then like the bed I got, I think you just rotate like just so it can keep resetting like the foam zones or, you know, balance them out as you sleeping on it. The memory. Whatever foam gel. Yeah, whatever they using.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

AI, no, I'm just kidding.

[B]

I just had to. I was just so curious, you know, if you guys had thought about it this deeply. Because it's one of those things that I think like as adults, you just be like, I need a new mattress. And then you go get one and. But it's so serious, like how it affects.

[C]

Nah, baby. When they sent that, remember I said I wanted a king? I like, my heart had been telling me I wanted a king bed. So as soon as Lisa sent out that bad call like we got you, I had did the little test. I was like, well, let's get this right. I was like, am I gonna be that person where my bed becomes my personality? I love that. I remember that whole week, I was like, I can't wait to go bed.

[B]

Oh, man. And I love bed threads too. Have you ever seen Bed Threads? It's like the linen bedding company. It's so great. Yes, it's linen sheets and it's great. I've been using them for. I mean, I started using them to Brooklyn. Aren't they nice?

[C]

They are nice.

[B]

Great colors, really comfortable. And what I love is the quality. Every time you wash them, they just keep get softer. So it's an investment. Like it's worth it. And I've been using them for, let me see, we've been here four. I was in Brooklyn too. So that's six years of that being my bedding. And it's just wonderful. It's really nice looking. It makes your room look so nice. The boys, the boys would be like, the room looks like a hotel. Brooklinen is good too.

[A]

Yeah, Brooklyn is good. They just feel good. And when they started sending us sheets, when they advertise on our show, I fell in love with those sheets. And so now that's all I buy. I use Brooklyn.

[B]

Yeah, no, Brooklyn is great. I'm a fan of. I love their white bedding. It's just really nice and soft. And I think they're also consider, you know, they're considerate of the earth and allergens and all these things that, to me, are really important if your face is pressed up against this shit every night. You know what I'm saying? Saying. So just. This is very adultish segment this this week, but I think it's something that we don't talk about enough, you know, and it really impact, like, my back literally is fine. I'm so grateful. Y' all don't understand. I can barely stand up last week. Even recording the last two episodes are very challenging for me physically, but I was like, we got to get. Get through it. And you know when you have them little band pulls? Oh, man, it's like everything is. I was trying to drive sitting all. Yeah. Sitting to the side. It's just. Was like, my God.

[C]

Pillow.

[B]

What did you say?

[C]

I said, you ain't pull out your bbl pillow.

[A]

She used to have in the studio.

[C]

I used to tell people, it's like, yeah, you know, she. She had a bbl.

[B]

A little lumbar. A little lumbar pillow. I did in the car. Car. I had to because it was. My gym is. My new gym is a little far. So I was like, this sucks.

[C]

Oh, damn.

[B]

And then not knowing, like, should I keep my body moving? Because I know also, when you stop moving, it actually feels worse sometimes, you know, because it. It, like, locks up. And so it was just a lot of trial and error the past. The past two weeks with how to sleep, how to move. Do you put heat? Do you put power?

[A]

Okay. I know, honey. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you figured that out. I'm glad you're feeling better, because I was not fun.

[B]

No, it was not. But now I need to reconsider things is.

[A]

And so the fact that you get to get a new mattress is fun. Congratulations.

[B]

For those of you listening, I'm actually curious to hear what y' all got going on. If this is something you thought about. If you're like, oh, shit, yeah, maybe I should consider these prompts.

[A]

Sleeping hole. That's what we want to know. That's the question we ask, you know.

[B]

And a lot of people complain about their lack of sleep or their inability to sleep. And I think this is something to consider if maybe this is why on top of, you know, we're going through.

[A]

A lot of different mattress.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But a different mattress might help. I got really good sleep on the floor. It's a thing that's worth investing. You sleep on it every day. What? Yes. And it can.

[A]

Some of y' all eat splurge.

[B]

It could be as splurge as I saw that with that hot plate.

[A]

She was frying chicken. I saw that. I was fascinated.

[C]

They have these little electric, like, skillets and pots and.

[B]

And they just be in the bed. I said no.

[A]

To me. That's nasty. Yeah, that's just nasty to me.

[C]

Dangerous. I never thought about the danger because I've always thought about how nasty it is, but that is dangerous.

[B]

Do y' all eat in your bed?

[C]

No.

[B]

I know people would be surprised.

[C]

Somebody like, you cannot eat in here.

[B]

The only time I be. The only time I eat in bed is when I'm sick. And food has to be brought to your bed because there's no other way. I'm not coming downstairs. I'm, you know, like Covid or flu. For sure food's gonna be brought up to me. But outside of that, I don't like eating in bed. The crumbs. I'm just. I can't do it. Like, it's not what bed is.

[A]

I was out of control if I was doing something like that.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Honestly. Honestly, that's so crazy because that's. I was just about. I was just about to say I kick myself for eating in my office.

[A]

I am out of control.

[C]

Like. Like, I'm like you. Like, I have several places to eat in the living room. So the fact that I eat in my office. What are you doing? So, like, the bedroom. No, hard stop.

[A]

And I live in New York.

[C]

I'm on the first floor now. So I'm just like, oh, gosh.

[B]

Yeah, you. You can't play with that shit.

[C]

I'm not playing.

[B]

I also believe that in bed, hygiene. Right. And not hygiene in the literal sense, but more so, like, your body needs to know that this is where you sleep.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I can't mix that. That's why I don't. I've never had a TV in the bedroom because I don't want to lay up watching nothing like that's in my room. When I walk in there, my body needs to know we're headed to.

[A]

That it's shut down.

[B]

It's shut down time. And so I've always been very.

[A]

I should try that.

[B]

It helps. Honestly.

[C]

That's something I want. Like, I want to be.

[B]

There needs to be a separation. You want to go watch.

[C]

But it's something about sometimes. Right? Like, not even the laying up watching. But I've just very recently experienced, like, let me put this on. Even though I'm not going to watch it, because when I put things on, I'm going to watch but that is why I should not have a TV in my bedroom. Because it's like, sometimes I'm like, all right, I'm gonna watch this thing. I'm gonna go to bed. But I very much put on because I've been taking vitamins the past couple weeks, you know, really trying to do something about my health, right? So one of the things I was like, let me put things on with the intention of going to bed with it playing. And it's been working out very well because it's October, all these Halloween movies been coming on. I'm like, well, I'm not gonna watch that. So let me just put that on before I go to bed. I'm knocked out before anything crazy happens. It's been.

[A]

I like noise in my home, number one. So, like, I live alone. I like to hear music and sounds and like that in my house, which is one of the things I love about living in New York, because sometimes you hear the sounds from outside your house.

[B]

I was gonna say.

[A]

Okay, so I love that. Number two. It's sexy the way my shit is set up, because it's like the TV down, you know, it's a loft, so it's open, but I sleep upstairs. And so, like, the TV downstairs is on the opposite wall of the one upstairs. So when you look from the other way, it's like, it just looks dope. And plus, I need a TV in my bedroom.

[C]

Yeah, I need that.

[A]

You know, I need research. I need a TV to put music on, and you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[B]

Inspiration. I can't. I told y' all my partner is similar in terms of him needing to hear something. I tell y', all, they're all shot out. And where we met all of y' all nuts. Where we meet halfway. I told him, you better play a babbling brook or waves fucking crashing, not.

[C]

Y' all got the fireplace up.

[B]

A rainforest. I'll help you with sound, but I'm not hearing a podcast. I don't want to hear music. I don't hear nobody talking about.

[C]

I can't fall asleep to balloon pop. I can't look. I can't look. I gotta watch. That's gonna make me watch. I'm be like.

[B]

I just can't. And so that's where we meet halfway. So you always hear water crash? No, you didn't want to crash.

[A]

That's the best part. I love that, though. I could listen to those sounds. What's that called? It's a name for that.

[C]

It is.

[A]

It's a name for that. But I. I can't remember. Used to be, like, soundscape sounds. Yeah. Maybe soundscapes. That's what it is.

[B]

You used to be able to buy YouTube and Spotify. They have a whole playlist, so it's cool. Like, I'm. We meet halfway in that.

[A]

Because I can't meet you halfway. I don't know.

[B]

I'm one of those that needs the room cold, dying, and quiet.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's the only way I can sleep cold.

[A]

My house is nasty to me. I've. I've told y' all this for years.

[B]

I love it hot, though, that I'm just now. Because I've moved here now. My. My AC be on 67, 65. Sometimes I'm like. I'm on some different. Which is.

[A]

I like it because it feels sterile. I keep mine on 70, but apparently.

[B]

You sleep better, too.

[C]

See, those are body temperatures. I have met people that want to go, like, sub zero. I'm talking like. Like anything.

[B]

65 is. Is.

[C]

I was gonna say, if we go under 65, like, I'm going to fight you. Like, I'm. Me personally, I'm more of the, like, 72, 74. Well, if there's multiple people, it has to be.

[B]

That used to be me. I. I needed. 72 was like my. My golden ticket, but now I can't. I think I'm. I'm older. I'm hot. Like, hot. I need.

[C]

So 65. 65 is your new.

[B]

And, you know, when you're in hotels, I think hotels kind of influenced me too, because that coldness you get in the bed and the sheets, it just feels so good. And then the white bedding, cozy, really. Hotel influenced me with the coldness and the white bedding. Something about that combo just feels so blissful.

[A]

Absolutely. 100%. It's a sterile feeling, and I need to feel like my home is sterile.

[B]

Yeah. For a long time, I only did white bedding. Like, for years, I only did white bedding because I just felt like it makes you feel clean. You really got to stay on top of it. Like, there's sleep better. There's just no patterns in my face.

[A]

I do it as a. As a filter for my people I date.

[C]

Let's get really adult. What's. What's a color that you don't put on your bed?

[B]

You looking over like, God damn.

[C]

Better not be a color.

[A]

You see those sheets looking wild, but get up. Okay.

[B]

See, I always dated boys that wore oils, so that's always tricky. Frankincense, oils, all that.

[A]

OO all over every.

[B]

Them really dewy shea butter men, you know, I mean, that comes with territory.

[A]

Shea. Better, baby, if you will.

[B]

Okay, but wait, you said, what color.

[C]

Sheets do you go get away from? Because I know you said you did white for a long time.

[B]

I'm open now. I'm more open now. Ever since I switched over to bed threads, I was like, let me stop being so sterile with my room. Like, I painted my bedroom that terracotta color and that kind of inspired me. When I was in Brooklyn, I did that. It inspired me to wanna play with colors.

[A]

That's beautiful. I remember that.

[B]

It's so beautiful. And we did it again here. That's. I what how much I loved it. And so I was like, I would love, you know, some oatmeal colored bedding and more earth tones and some forest greens, obviously. You see, my office here is forest green. So just started playing with more colors. Mine is. I'm a stay in the earthy world, you know, I don't do patterns anymore. Like, I don't want to see a bunch of patterns. Especially when you buy a comforter. I feel like when you're young, you want patterns, circles, lines.

[C]

How do you feel about design designer sheets?

[A]

It's cool, I guess, but I don't.

[C]

You know, Like I saw it once, like maybe in a music video. Like I've never seen it in real life.

[B]

Like Versace.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I mean, it can be tacky, right?

[B]

I don't see the point though. What is it? Like silk Versace sheets?

[A]

I like solids. I like masculine solids. And in my home.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I like dark colors. I think the only color bedding I would do that I haven't done, I. I would get red sheets, but that's just cause I'm a slut.

[C]

Red? Oh yeah, red.

[A]

But I like dark.

[B]

I've never done reds. Masculine, hot, fiery. I want to relax, you know, naked.

[C]

Be doing. I was about to say Nick is be doing with the black and red.

[B]

So I think that's why I don't like it because black and red.

[A]

Like, I don't want black and red.

[B]

At that boy's house. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I just want like solid red sheets under my black bedding. Just as a surprise, you know what I'm saying? Like that not to match anything up in here. Nothing. Nothing like that, right?

[B]

Oh my God. Why do dudes always do that as their decor? And they get that swirly, that swirly rug with the black. Oh, well, no, no shade to those of you who have that rug currently.

[C]

The rug ain't been changing, though. Like, the. The rugs, they're different types of statement pieces now, but I guess we could touch on that, right?

[B]

Yeah, we don't talk about it either.

[A]

Then you get the. The off white rug that says grass on it and off white. You know what I'm saying? You get what else rug? Oh, you can always do the. The skin. Right. You know how you can get like the. The cow print, cow hide or whatever. You can get a hide.

[B]

I have that. I have that in here on the floor with the green. I just thought that that would look nice.

[C]

But you made your palette on top of.

[B]

No, that's.

[A]

I always love sleeping on a palette, personally, ever since I was a kid. That makes me think about how fun with my cousins and my brother and them. Like, I've always loved sleeping on the floor on a pallet, and I've always been comfortable sleeping on the floor like that.

[B]

Yeah, it's true.

[A]

And it's maybe because you sleep in the bed every day, so it just, you know, that.

[C]

I don't know, your body's like, oh, yeah, yeah. I told you.

[B]

The boys did that here at. Towards the end of the summer, they got the bright idea to sleep in the attic with the projector.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And they would just take snacks, isn't it? So they have the projector, they take up their snacks, and they'd be like, bye, y'. All. We'd be like, bye. And they just kicking it. You hear me? And then we were like, wait a minute. Y' all sleeping on the floor, like, it just felt crazy.

[A]

But they were, mind you, they got whole rooms.

[B]

Whole rooms. But they wanted to be in sleep. Something they made.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

You.

[B]

Me being me. I couldn't deal with it. I was like, at least let me get a blow up. Something like this feels negligent.

[C]

You're in that.

[B]

Imagine them talking, telling mom, like, I'm on the floor in the attic.

[A]

We gotta. We gotta add this some kind of way.

[B]

It just was giving me a lot of feelings. But they were having songs.

[A]

They were happy as hell.

[B]

But that was literally me this past week with my little palate. And so all that to say as adults, you know, there's. We have to make more considerations for our comfort in our rooms and to get good sleep, healthy sleep that our bodies need, especially with the way the world feels now, we gotta find rest properly because we don't know what we are up against in the next coming years. So, Lord, pray for us. But, yes, I would love to know in the comments what type of mattress you're sleeping on or if you don't really care about those things or if this enlightened you to think about it a little bit more as you're shopping or reconsidering. And that's it. That's it for this week in wellness.

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With a star studded premiere including Jenna.

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[B]

Oh, are you a Swiftie? Oh, answered that before I finish.

[C]

Absolutely not. I will however, say, no, I ain't really. I've heard some of her music in passing that I have liked. Like that one. What was it, 1989. There were a couple of songs on there. I was like, okay, this is cute. But I never really was like, let.

[A]

Me a whole new meaning after today's show.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

1989.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[C]

I did that to myself. That's crazy. Yeah. Cut it off.

[B]

I have never listened to a Taylor Swift album and I can truly say I have never listened to a song in its entirety. Have I heard it in passing because people are playing it, talking about it?

[C]

Maybe, Probably.

[B]

But did I go and say T A Y L my streaming service? No. Which is crazy because she's so massive.

[C]

Same.

[A]

But she don't bother me, you know What I'm saying, like, I don't. How people just be on some like they hate Taylor Swift type. I don't feel like that. You know what I mean? She ain't never done nothing that I've seen that was probably problematic, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's. I just. It's not a factor for me type. Yeah, I mean, but. But she does have some music that I've heard that that sounded good and I told you Fifth Harmony covered one of her songs. And that's how I found out about that song by her. And it's a really pretty song. But other than that, she's just Taylor Swift, you know what I'm saying? She don't bother nobody. Like it is what it is. And I know people who have worked with her and for her on her team and like, as a. I'll just leave it there that have worked with her, that have had super positive experiences and good things to say about her. So I just, you know.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel you 100% Taylor Swift. I have nothing against her. I don't wish her any harm or anything like that. I have heard maybe she has been problematic to some degree in what did she do? I mean, I don't know. But to your point, like, I don't have no dog in the grand history of hating Taylor Swift. So this is no way shape or form me like being reaffirmed to hate her or anything like that. I would. I'm only sharing Taylor Swift because the University of Tick Tock continuously showed me Swifties. Some not Swifties, but it was a bunch of Taylor Swift fans. Some not fans, some just TikTok music. Music educators. Right. And all of them were just discussing the life of a showgirl, which is her new project that dropped October 3rd, which was last Friday, I believe.

[B]

And a national holiday. If you want to come on down.

[C]

Come on down so if you want to come on down, come on down. A lot of these people, they had a lot to say about Taylor Swift's project and it was just very entertaining. Listening and watching the discourse around her new project.

[B]

It's a lot of discourse and a lot of academics jumping in. And I'm like, wow, am I just oblivious to this trap?

[C]

What have you been seeing? Or scrolling past feminism?

[B]

And it's just, it's a lot of words, a lot of academia. And I'm like, wow. I guess I just haven't been paying attention.

[C]

There were notes potentially of, you know, racism or Republican coded things happening on this project. To your earlier Question, Dustin, what does she do? Or why is she problematic? Yeah, potentially. But these are all conspiracies. I'm not sure.

[A]

I didn't put out all that she's to supposed reported. Kamala, like came out and made a post and. And like turned. That's what I'm saying.

[C]

Like, I haven't followed up on any. On any of this. These are just part of some of the things that were being brought up in their discussions of Taylor Swift and things that they heard on Life of a Showgirl. One of the things that I wanted.

[A]

To note, probably because of her fiance, because of Travis.

[C]

You brought me right to where I wanted to go, Dustin, because I had no idea. Hold on. Why did you say that, Dustin? Because of.

[A]

Why Travis Kelce, her fiance, who is Travis Kelce, he used to go with that black girl and he used to.

[B]

Look like apparently all his exes.

[C]

Apparently.

[A]

This is what I've been learning.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

What was her name?

[C]

Apparently, apparently he got it. Kayla.

[A]

It's on the tip. Kayla. That was her name, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And in that relationship, I know a lot of people are finding him attractive. And then his whole aesthetic changed when he started dating.

[B]

Yeah, Taylor Swift, like crazy, though.

[A]

That's how I know who he is. And I believe. I'm not sure, but I believe he's been attached to some sort of MAGA support or something like that. And I think that that is what people are probably linking her to. But when she's used her voice, I heard her flat out say the, you know, the opposite. So.

[B]

Well, one of the clips I saw, I think on Twitter, apparently she hid in her lyrics. Mind you, this is hearsay because I didn't hear.

[C]

We're just discussing the.

[B]

I didn't hear the album, so I don't know what she said.

[C]

Right. No dog in this fight, guys.

[B]

In the discourse was that she mentioned stones, like gems.

[C]

Y' all are going directly into positions of where my tick tock algorithm.

[B]

And so the stones that she mentioned, like, basically she was saying, yeah, like the black.

[C]

You spent too much midnight in the onyx or something.

[B]

And now you over here with the whites. And so it was very like, hmm. And so people were trying to break down, like, is she being. Is she being a dick by using the. These analogies of the stones to not kind of not say what she's saying? Or are we reading too much into it?

[C]

Because then some fans were saying that Taylor Swift makes Note of the Daylight multiple times in other projects. This isn't new so it's like it. Again, just to support your statement that these are theories. Right, friend?

[B]

Like, these are things, especially because she mentions something about she was always on her phone. Right. I think that's what people were saying. Like, you were trying to be into her, but she was always on her phone. And people were breaking down that, like, that girl who is an influencer, content creator was always like, you know, using her for a post. Yeah, using him for a post. And so they kind of were tying in her saying that and then mentioning the black stone with the white stone. You know, it just felt a little like I can see why they made the connections. I just don't follow her enough to know how she moves, to really speak on it, because it's really this. I'd be forgetting that she's not a kid because she feels like a kid.

[C]

To me, which was another video that I saw, right.

[B]

I always want to be like, she's. That's little girl, but she's probably, like, not that much younger than me.

[C]

So they were saying that, you know, just in the theory. The theories of Taylor Swift fandom. Because it's the only time I'm gonna talk about Taylor Swift. And the reason I'm talking about her, because this is the most that she's ever come across my desk. Unfortunately, it did not move me to go listen to the project. So sorry that I did not become one of those numbers to Taylor Swift people that if y' all are in control of this. But I was interested enough to hear these people out because they were so convicted and what they were discussing. And I'm not.

[B]

A lot of. A lot of the.

[C]

A lot of it did make sense, but I just have never been that tied into fandom for people. So when I'm tied, like, I'm tied in those seconds, I became tied in. Right. But, well, minutes and I guess maybe hours if I put them all together, because I sat there for a good time. Like, damn, y' all really, like, damn. She was doing this, and she writes like that. Oh, hell, no. That's crazy. But one of the girls were saying that she feels like the life of a showgirl. Taylor Swift, she's doing pop now and prior career. She came out doing country at the time. She couldn't really come out as a white girl. That was going to be believable doing pop at the time she came out. So now this is like her transition, trying to show that she's a woman and that she has sex with. But it almost feels like she's making Note of sex happens and she's not.

[A]

So this lady just made all that up. Taylor Swift ain't saying none of that.

[C]

People were.

[A]

She talked about the project people.

[C]

People were dissecting the songs and how they felt about how it was happening, the way she wrote it and stuff like that. And I was just like, wow. So Taylor Swift, the life of a showgirl, is doing some things I don't know if you wanted to do, if it's doing what you wanted to do. But the way that this is, like, populated. And I don't know if it's. I said her name once.

[A]

It's the drama. It's the white cardi b album for real.

[C]

And maybe this is because I mentioned her name when the. When the new iPhones were coming out. Mine was slated to be delivered on the third. And I was pissed because I was like, if this is in line with her album release, I'm gonna send this back. But I got my phone before then, so it wasn't. Thank goodness. Right.

[A]

She did something on Apple.

[C]

No, but I think her pr. This is her orange era or some shit. That's what she kept calling it. And, you know the new iPhone Max Pro, that. That orange color. So I think she was trying to tie herself to that, or somebody in marketing was trying to make that a thing. But it did not affect my delivery, thank God. I'm not saying that it has for anybody's. If you got your phone on that day, but if you a swifty, maybe it did for you. Congrats.

[A]

So you don't. Fuck. You don't like Taylor Swift.

[C]

I don't dislike Taylor Swift. I don't think about Taylor Swift as friends.

[A]

You said you was gonna send the phone back if it was a Taylor Swift phone.

[C]

Well, because I would be, because I ordered my phone so far in advance. I should have gotten it before that date. So I would have been pissed if they held my phone just to put me silent.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But my phone came way before that, so I was not one of those. And I was like, that's not why I was here for this phone. Like, because I feel like maybe some people like, oh, my God, it's the same color. And this is her era. I'm gonna get that phone for that reason. I was like, I just needed a new one, and I needed it as soon as possible. Yeah, that was it.

[A]

But, yeah, I feel like I ain't in this. I feel like I ain't got nothing to do with this.

[C]

There's no reason.

[A]

Whatever conversation. I don't have an opinion. I don't have a.

[B]

It's interesting.

[A]

This don't have nothing to do with me.

[C]

That's fine. You have no reason to add anything to it. Because there were so many people already that have added to this. And I think that that like Francis. And it's interesting. That is what grabbed my attention because I kept scrolling past videos. Taylor Swift this table, Swift that. And then one of them was just playing because I had time to get to my phone. So how long the video was and how deep into it I got and what she was saying, I was like, all right, girl, I'm kind of here now. Because some of them were just these white girls. Just some of them I thought were Swifties turned on Taylor Swift ass. And that kind of engaged me. I was like, like, well, why aren't the fans. It always interests fans go astray from certain projects, you know, Because I'm one of those people that I like when an artist does a certain sound or something, then if they decide to switch it up, sometimes I'm lost. But then I find myself being like, well, damn, why did I give Beyonce country to, you know, go country and stuff like that, you know?

[A]

So the president has been really vocal about her in a negative way lately. So I wonder if. Yeah, very. And so I wonder if there have been. I wonder if that's an organized thing that we now are seeing, like, a lot of negative discourse surrounding her project that we've never seen before. I wonder. I just wonder if that's somehow influenced by that. Because he targeted her type shit, like said her name and been pop talking shit about her. So I just wonder.

[C]

I mean, that's a great addition.

[B]

I don't know, but I know the people. There are people that have always felt this way about Taylor Swift, though, right? Yeah, they just like. It's.

[A]

We ain't really see a lot of white girls talking about her before. We seen, like us, like, there's over here.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I just wonder if that is. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Because, like, now we see this MAGA Barbie.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. We see like the Mormon wives are talking now. You know what I'm saying? The white girls, like. So I just wonder.

[B]

Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know. I really say the discourse is interesting. I always find academic discourse interesting because the. That they be connecting. A lot of times I'm like, wow, you got that from them basic ass lyrics.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Fascinating.

[C]

Even that song that you was talking about with the opalite and stuff like that, I Would have never. I. I'll be listening to some songs, I'll be getting into some vibes. I'll be picturing some things.

[A]

But she does shots in her music. Music too. She does send shots.

[B]

But I could see too how that's annoying because she always gives damsel in distress. Like I'm a little white girl. Even me thinking she's little, it's like she's not. This is like a 36. Yeah, this is a good ass woman. But because she plays into that being that, that little white girl trope, it's so easy to just think of her that way. And in a way she can be. Be sneaky.

[A]

Right. So you don't like her either?

[B]

No, no. I don't know. I'm saying if she's saying this, there's that her being like, what me? You know how white girls do that? I actually just saw. I literally just saw a tick tock of a white girl talking next door in a dorm. This isn't a dorm. I forget where they were. They're like, I don't know where they. I was about to make it up, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And she said, said something and said it to the girl's door. I guess she didn't realize she was being recorded. No, she's being recorded. The girl's doorbell. So the black girl comes out and says, were you trying to like talk to about me personally? Why are you talking to my camera? And the white girl was like, what? No, you know, like it's that.

[A]

I hate that that makes me want.

[B]

To beat your ass. Mind you, she was so piped up talking with her friends in front of the camera when before she realized she being recorded, it just. That's what I'm talking about. To me, that's what angers people about Taylor Swift because she throws and then it's like what? She gets to be the little damsel in distress. And that's dangerous with white women. Right? Historically. So I kind of get why she ruffles feathers, but I ain't in it. Only because I don't know enough. Really.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[B]

I don't know enough to participate in the discourse. I haven't, I haven't followed her career enough. I don't know her albums. I don't. I just go and go off.

[A]

Don't have nothing to do with me.

[B]

Yeah, I'm listening to my deep over here.

[A]

Hello. It's a war going on outside. Knowing to stay from. Okay.

[C]

It has nothing to do with any of us. I just rarely discuss the white girls I've been discussing some of the white girls I've had my eye on, but Taylor Swift is a white girl that's.

[B]

Been here and she's a juggernaut.

[C]

So it's one disgusting the one.

[B]

So yeah, I mean crazy when you think about it.

[C]

Cuz all this works out of her favor.

[B]

Sold 65k and you sold 3 million.

[C]

Taylor Swift, she's here. This is her life of a showgirl project. She is, you know, doing her thing and people had a lot to say about it.

[A]

Why they have that. So they've been posting like the life of a showgirl using that hashtag. Anytime a girl has on an outfit that's even similar to anything a showgirl wears.

[B]

What?

[A]

Tell me why. Yeah, it's been all on Twitter. Tell me why. They pulled pictures of Sutton from the Real Housewives of Baby.

[C]

Oh my God.

[A]

I saw that they was on vacation one of these recent seasons they had going to carnival and so she had on like the headdress and the two piece.

[C]

But you know Sutton.

[A]

You know who Sutton is, right? From the Real Housewives?

[B]

I don't know, but I.

[A]

So you. So okay, so she had that on and she was like. The way she was standing in her body and she was like, is that gonna put the life of a show girl? I was dying, man. Oh my God. I'm gonna find it anyway. Go ahead.

[C]

Well, I just wanted to share this one piece of white news because I don't talk about the white people, but when the girls are fighting, you know, there was a lot of girls fighting last week I didn't really want to get into. So this, this girl's fighting for her life here and I just, I. Because I'm not enough of a Taylor Swift fan. I just don't understand why. But it is very interesting to see. And again, we have no reason to hate her. But again, just interesting. That's it. I just want to mention that artist because that was the only thing that kept me enthralled. I could not stop. Stop looking at. It wasn't even on purpose. I think the algorithm just kept trapping me in it and I don't understand why. Maybe because of what you said, Dustin. Maybe because you know, her just pissing people off friend in general. Like it happened to me and now it has happened to you all out there listening. That's it for this portion. Now we can move to the songs to play listens lately. Fran, I would love to know what you have been over there vibing and bopping to.

[B]

So part of going Through a mental spiral is that I like going and listening to old music that comforts me. Things that I listened to when I was younger, that just makes me feel happy. I had to go back to the old, old school shit and I started listening to Immature, who I used to love when I was young. And never lie came up and I was like, you know what? I'mma play it on the show. Never lie. This is for us, right?

[C]

That I'll never find a friend like.

[B]

You and that's why I want to sing this song. Wherever you are, I just want to let you know that I'll never lie to you again. I promise.

[C]

You will always be I.

[B]

Will never lie again I will never lie There's a friend like you Last.

[C]

Forever.

[B]

See in my mind window I'm thinking of you all the fun things we used to do I feel the pain Please come back to me Cause I feel like you Once in a lifetime.

[A]

I.

[B]

Will never lie again. Did y' all listen to Immature growing up?

[A]

Hell yeah, my sister did.

[B]

They were everything okay. I also. Another fave of mine from that time was Usher. Yes, but think of you. Do y' all remember that song? It's one of his. I think it's. I don't. I don't want to say it's his first single ever because I know he was very, very young when he came out, but it's one of his first sing from the first album and for some reason people do not know of it. Like I'll ask people, I'll sing it or if the video comes on, they'll be like, what the is this? Like, how do people not know this song? But I used to all the time think of you yes, yes.

[C]

All the time I think of you holding on.

[B]

To someone new don't make me lose.

[C]

Seems like I've been here before Baby I can't take no more of you.

[B]

Trying to play me yeah.

[C]

I feel.

[B]

So strange thinking about you after all the wrong you've done to me I can go home feeling like I do.

[C]

Cuz my heart loves you I'm so.

[B]

Confused.

[C]

You Seems like I've been here before.

[B]

Don'T was my time Let me tell you I used to sing this. I know everybody. Every ad lib, every breath, every word.

[A]

Hey.

[B]

Right? And I remember the video. He had on like a yellow. A yellow set. He was so adorable.

[A]

Yes, yes, y'.

[B]

All. And then lastly, do y' all remember? I swear by all for one. I swear. Did y' all have the box or was that just a regional Thing where.

[A]

You buy the video?

[C]

Y.

[A]

Hell, yeah.

[B]

I told y'. All. My grandmother was like, what the hell? Cuz, I just kept. I love this song. For those who are unaware or unfamiliar. All for one I swear. I swear. By the moon and the stars and the skies. And I swear. Like a shadow by your side. I see the questions in your eyes. I know what's weighing on your mind. You can be sure I know my part heart. Cause I stand beside you through the years. You'll only cry those happy tears. And though I make mistakes, I'll never break your heart. And I swear.

[C]

Where?

[B]

By the moon and the stars and the skies. I'll be there.

[C]

I swear.

[B]

Like the shadow that's by your side. I'll be there. For better or worse. Till death do us part. I love you with every beat of my heart. And I swear. Hard to turn that off. So that's the. That's where I was this weekend, just trying to find peace of mind.

[C]

I hear you. You swear?

[B]

Yeah. That's it for me this week.

[C]

Yes, friend. Dustin Ross, what you got for the People love that.

[A]

Jeezy got a new project, a tape out with him and DJ Drama called Still Snowing.

[B]

I saw.

[A]

Which one do I want to play? Shit. Okay. This song is called if youf Don't Know Me by a young ghost, Jeezy and DJ Drama. A wise man once said every rapper ain't a street street and every street ain't a rapper. But when you get it right, you get it right. I was on Camelon Road with the pack Chevy, the rental, you know it was black 22,5 for the unit of fact 75 south take him straight to the Mac. Just don't get caught with the work and the guns. Leroni got caught up, he went on the run. See me, I'm got favorite that make me the one he wanted. Son, inside you like the sun. America told me I'm nothing.

[B]

She lied.

[A]

He going in this next song. This one is for down south. This song is called Unnecessary Money by Fox. Emile. And not unnecessary money. I ain't lying O girl, you better stop it. Hold on. Cause it ain't chicken if you got it.

[C]

Hey, I gotta get my knots up. Cause you gonna a house up the.

[A]

Way you make that ass bounce up.

[C]

Girl you gonna a house up.

[A]

I'm spending money I ain't supposed to.

[C]

And liquor kicking in.

[A]

I'm doing the most too.

[C]

And she just doing what I hope.

[A]

And I'm still spending money yeah, like to turn up around here. Hell yeah. This last song I'mma play is by 952 rack. It's called soldier. Love.

[B]

That baby if you want me.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Bro.

[C]

What up for all bro?

[B]

Main little ho trim about these, man. I don't even call them ho. Did all that 19, man.

[C]

I should have all them ho wherever I met. I'mma work my blick. Bet I ain't got to call the brother.

[A]

That's my pick for this.

[C]

Hell yeah. All righty. I have been listening to some random music this week. First song that I'm going to play is by. Did I play Rochelle Jordan last week?

[B]

I don't think so.

[C]

I feel like I've been listening to her project recently.

[B]

Yeah, shout out.

[C]

Yeah, shout out to her. She has been doing her thing. The song that I'm gonna play is called Never Enough. This is how it goes.

[A]

Erotic.

[B]

I don't know where to go from here. It's just that every time you come at me I'm trying to use logic. The way you fight just isn't fair. All love are protected, always defended the way they made. You don't hear, you don't see. It's been a hard week. Your voice can be so deep. This cuz know how supposed to be when I'm done cuz it just seems. It just seems funny.

[C]

That was Rochelle Jordan with that sexy ass song called Never Enough. I like the project love. The next artist I'm going to play is Odile. This song is called in the Chair. Here's how it goes from left to right. Rubbing on your neck and thighs. We be loving till you said that's fine. I'm in the chair tonight. Rocking you from there to the bright open button down your skin oh my we be loving till you said this part. Yeah, yeah, okay. Need some tlc Phone on dnd check a Spotify me and me on me N guaranteed. Cause I know her body to a T. So that's a deal.

[A]

That shit fire. That's what you sing. You start singing that acapella to terrorize the people that's gonna flip the switch on the electric chair. God forbid you ever in that position. But you start singing that to whoever work in the room to terrorize with acapella. I'm in the chair.

[C]

Left to right.

[B]

Now you left to right.

[A]

You gotta terrorize them one time for the one time for you out of here. You gotta terrorize it.

[B]

Speaking of Odile as your last word song.

[A]

Yeah, wrist strap. I'm in this chair singing loud. You know what I'm Saying as a.

[B]

Manifest.

[C]

You made me lose my fucking. The last artist that I want to play, Lil Jon and the Eastside Boys, they came out with a project back in 20. The project turned 22,000 because we owe. Well, I'm old. It's 2004. So this project is literally 21 years old. It's old enough to drink. The project is called Crunk Juice. And this is the title track. Just because the kids don't know about Lil Jon, the project that Lovers and Friends was on, that somebody might have heard. But this is the. This song is called Crunk Juice. Here's how it goes.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

So that was just the intro. I feel like anybody that just needs some good, like, get your ass up music. Crunk Juice, it'll do it. And Crunk Juice is different. Lil John was just a lit ass. He just. He wasn't. Wasn't defined by hip hop. He. He was a rapper, but the was just yelling with other rapping. But he like, he laid that vibe out. Crunk was the arrow. Crunk was the moment. And then, you know, he took his efforts onto the EDM and which they appreciated him. Lil John is an enterprising ass, so he deserves his flowers. Definitely does. It's hot as everybody go check it out. That's it for the Music man segment. Now we can go on ahead and give it to Dustin Ross. What you been watching? Welcome to the Friends.

[A]

Every time. Now that I got it, I'mma like put 10 on the 20 you just put down about Lil John. He also brought us UBI Shout out to Yes. I love UBI One time for ubi. If we gonna represent for Lil John in that era, we gotta give UBI hers too. Cause UBI had some shit that still will get down in the club today. UBI one night.

[C]

Nothing's free.

[A]

Nothing's free. She was a singer and with down with their clique or whatever.

[C]

I know you want to get laid tonight.

[B]

Maybe if I hear her.

[C]

Nothing in life for especially.

[B]

What you talking about.

[C]

See.

[A]

But UBI was the shout out to Lil John. Okay, tv, we gonna get this thing over with real quick. Number one, Bell Collective is back on own. Y' all know I love Bell Collective. The bells are ringing. Much like the song says. I can hear the bells. Now there's a new bill on the show named Carrie. She's already getting in the middle of all this in the right ways. Big hair, closer hair to closer to God vibes. You know what I'm saying? Like beautiful family. The show is good. Watch it and the bells are getting along for now, but things are going to crack in the next episode between Leticia and Latrice. So if you watch Bell Collective, make sure you tune into this season. If you have not watched it, I implore you to to dive in. They're on season six right now. You should really start at the beginning and watch all the shows, all the episodes, because it's that good. Comes on own. Also, the 10th season of the Real Housewives of Potomac premiered on Bravo this Sunday. We have two new house. Yep. Karen. The episode opens up with Karen getting out of jail. You don't see her face, but you see her person and you hear her voice. And then it jumps back to months earlier, six months earlier, when Giselle gathered all the ladies at the house right after they had just finished in the reunion when Karen got sentenced and they have a discussion about it. They all go off on Stacy and then it fast forwards words two months and then we get into the season. We have two new housewives. Tia is one of them. She is British of Nigerian descent. She's friends with Giselle. Her British accent is refreshing. She's pretty and she has good energy so far. We didn't get to know her a lot in the premiere, but she was introduced. We did however get a full package intro of Angel Massey who is another new housewife friend of Kiana who was on the show. They've been friends for over 20 plus years. So real friends in real life. She has a husband who used to play sports. They paid out the ass. They have an outdoor luxury experience company in Colorado and they have beautiful children. Her father was in the scene when we met her. So she's got a family that's willing to extended family that's willing to film. It felt like a very full Housewives package that we got with her and she got I get energy. She had opinions about things and she co signed that Stacy's breath does stink. And I thought that was funny because she was like. She was like it was a little tight and her and Giselle busted out laughing friend.

[C]

They were in dresses looking beautiful and having a good kiki about Stacy's breath.

[A]

And she was like. And you didn't expect her to say it, but she was like a little tight. Real tight. It was.

[C]

And then it puts.

[A]

It was just funny.

[C]

Said it back like it was so funny. It was a cute.

[A]

This was a good premiere episode. Ashley and Giselle are on their mean girl like they always are. But this is what we know of them. Stacy is a formidable opponent because her brand of quirky uniqueness. It is refreshing. It's not just arguing. It's her being, like, just quirky the way that she is. And it's a breath of fresh air. So we're going to be entertained. Suffice it to say, we're going to be entertained this season. It's coming on every Sunday and we got a little promo for Married to Medicine also. And so there's a new person on the cast that I saw named Brandy that I was not familiar with. And then Dr. Mimi is also featured. Really quick, I want to give a shout out to Revolt. I was in Atlanta last week working on a project for Revolt, and I worked with OBO Jones. Shout out to OBO Jones. Shout out to. Yeah, my boy, man. Shout out to obo. Shout out to Deontay from the Grits and Eggs podcast.

[B]

I love Deontay.

[A]

Yes, my boy, Deontay. And shout out to Steve Sanders, who is the husband. First of all, he's an ex NFL player, retired NFL player, and he now does commentary, a myriad of other things, but he's the husband of Dr. Mimi. Dr. Mimi was the new cast member on Married to Medicine last year and they're back for a second season. When I walked into the studio, I was, I was. I knew I recognized his face, but then I went to use the bathroom. When I came back in the green room, I'm like, nigga, I know exactly who you are. We just started vibing. We had really good energy, and we got something special coming soon on Revolt that was really exciting to do, but that's correlated into the TV land segment because they are back for their. Their second season. And I believe this is the 11th or 12th season of married to Medicine.

[C]

Did I say angel from.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes.

[C]

Angel Love, literally wanted to ask you.

[A]

She is on the cast. She's friends with Quad. You know, angel is a, is in that Atlanta scene. Angel is a part of that group of the, you know, the Atlanta girls that are the girls in Atlanta. Angel hangs with all of them. Quad. Oh, that's cute.

[C]

She's always been a beautiful girl to me. I hate it. Like, what happens.

[A]

Absolutely. And she's a nurse. You know what I'm saying? Saying, remember, she always was talking about her nurse, and I believe she has a line of scrubs that does really well for her.

[C]

Okay, so.

[A]

But she's on Married to Medicine this season, so it should be good. The promo looked good for it and I'm excited for it. And also the season finale of Baddies Africa aired this past Sunday.

[B]

It's like, jar, Jar, I love.

[A]

Zeus diamond snuck Natalie, yanked her all the way down to the ground. It was very reminiscent of what pulled Portia Williams did to Kenya Moore on the Housewives. It was kind of just like that, but just a little more like with a cussing sticker on it. You know what I mean? It was like that, but that happened. There was a whole lot of other things that took place. But I'm really looking forward to the reunion. Fans have leaked footage of some of the things that have taken place at the reunion. And I saw Pretty P whooping Dolly's ass. And if you watch the show, you get it. So we can't wait to see what else comes with that.

[B]

Love is blind.

[A]

It is.

[C]

I'm only three episodes in.

[B]

Please watch. Listen to me in Denver, please. When I tell you how deep you.

[C]

You. You caught up, it would be a.

[B]

Disservice to our listeners for you not to open.

[C]

You watch the whole thing, friend.

[B]

Yes, I'm caught up. I was cleaning the house, put it up, and I was. It took me. I didn't even finish cleaning the house. I was so shocked.

[C]

This season, Dustin, I'm on episode. I think I just started, or I'm maybe in the middle of episode three. Episode one had me concerned from the initial package. I'll say that, friend. Like, you know how the package starts off with a show like, how nice it is?

[B]

Yup.

[C]

Did you notice that?

[B]

Mm.

[C]

Okay. I'm gonna leave it right there.

[A]

I don't want it.

[C]

I want you to watch. There are some interesting things happening there.

[B]

When I showed you a bag of nuts.

[A]

Oh, I can't watch it. I mean, I can't wait to watch it. I saw something about somebody saying something happened. One of the guys was trying to, I guess, be intimate with somebody or whatever, and it was.

[B]

He started crying because she wouldn't sleep with him.

[A]

Something. I saw something related to that.

[C]

He started crying.

[A]

There's a black guy, I think, named Edmund or something.

[B]

Yeah. He started crying because real quick, you know, when they. They first meet, like, all of them together at an event, so they kind of see each other. It's also kind of messy, right, because.

[A]

You can see after they've been coupled, right?

[B]

Yes. Because it's a messy way to be. Like, oh, she's hotter. I should have gone. And. Yeah. So the men were talking, and he realized he's the only one that didn't smash. And so he felt the way about that. And. Yeah, so when they started talking and he Started crying. But I will say this. Something's up with homie. I don't know what it is. I do think Netflix low key is taking advantage of him. There's some kind of. I don't want to diagnose him because I can't. But there's some type of Arrested Development happening.

[C]

Absolutely not. She said she can eyeball.

[B]

You already know what she's gonna say. No, but. But there's some type of Arrested Development, I'll say that happening. And I've. And there's two things that you feel right. You feel is Netflix using entertainment because they know that he's gonna have these types of reactions. You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Or is. Is it not that and we're just watching someone and this is just how he acts. I can't call it it. But something's up and it is wild. Like, I'm talking about wild.

[A]

So I have to watch this. Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

There's an Asian man that's embarrassed, which.

[C]

Is the weirdest thing. Embarrassed to be Asian. You have to watch it, which also.

[B]

They're cheating. Why? Since when do y' all tell each other your ethnic background?

[C]

And the way she was pushing, too. The way she was pushing it.

[B]

They're cheating. They're all cheating other dudes. So the Brazilian girl, he was Russian. The other girl was like, yeah, I'm. I'm a blonde white girl. My sister sings in Korea. I'm like, they're sneaking in really quickly ways to let each other know, and that defeats the purpose. And I don't know why the show isn't like.

[C]

But you know what? It's low key. Good that it's happening, because that was.

[A]

Looking up the contestants. It was weird.

[C]

It was weird.

[B]

When he did that, Dustin, he didn't want to stay. He. She was like, so where. So where are you from? And he. He was like, Colorado.

[C]

You know, I'm just a. I'm just a Colorado bro.

[B]

You know, she kept having to be like, well, just say it. She said that to him literally every day. Just say it. Because he's so. But, you know, he's an Asian man that was raised around white people. So he grew up with this inferiority complex, being the only Asian in class. Yeah. And so there's a sense of this has. Being Asian has gotten in my way as opposed to him. You know what I mean? It's just sad. It's sad to watch. And the Asian woman, too, struggling right.

[A]

Now to find empathy and sympathy as a black American gay man. Struggling right now to Find it because what the you mean it's a hard. You gotta what do about it.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Like, dude is a hard watch on so many levels.

[C]

How many episodes does he make it? Because I know he ain't getting married.

[B]

Well.

[C]

Oh, shit.

[B]

And we'll talk. Hold on.

[A]

I'm looking. I'm looking through these people now.

[B]

He's Patrick, the Asian dude.

[A]

Like Anderson, Brendan Guthrie.

[B]

And then there was a Asian woman who was going through the same thing where she was like, I don't date Asian men. I like, you're disqualified automatically if you're Asian. Like, not even an option. She only likes white boys. I'm like, this is so crazy to me.

[C]

It was fun. I was like, wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let me cuss Patrick's ass out. Let's see Patrick. What's his name?

[B]

I just can't imagine. Suzuki.

[A]

Patrick Suzuki, construction manager. He's a Scorpio and he's only 31. That's what you should be scared to tell somebody because you definitely look like you. 50. A strong 50.

[B]

He was.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

This is an older demographic. Which I appreciated. Right. Because it was really a on. Yeah, that's a smooth. Look at his suit. His suit jacket. Oh, no. Oh, no.

[C]

Want to go out?

[A]

Want to go out?

[B]

It was. It was hard in the previous seasons listening to 20 year olds talking about they're looking for the love of their life and they've had a hard time in the dating scene. I like, it was cringe. And so I appreciate that they went older.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

But they are not.

[C]

It was just as hard watching a mean grown ass.

[B]

I love you.

[C]

I was like, girl, that's these.

[B]

This one couple got engaged within I'd say 40 minutes of the first episode.

[C]

Look off, rip off, rip. You gonna have to the point that.

[B]

I told you I was cleaning while I was watching. I paused it because I said, oh, should I missed Amazon.

[C]

Thing came up before you could posit.

[B]

Yeah, you know when the bar pops up. And when I saw that I was.

[C]

Only next episode.

[A]

She thought she was on Married at first sight.

[B]

And they was like, I love you. I love you. And. And I. It's. This is.

[A]

Are they still together? What episode?

[C]

I don't know if they was doing some speed editing or what.

[A]

Are they still together?

[B]

They do it in batches. So right now we're only up to episode six. The new episode come out tomorrow.

[A]

Are they still together.

[B]

For now. What a w. You know, when they show the preview of the next episode. What a way serial Killer.

[C]

Anyway, yeah, when he came out there with his glasses on his head and.

[B]

They were making out, and she was like, can you close your eyes? It's kind of scary. He was like, I need to. I need, like, seeing. I like seeing you all. Because she was like, seeing what? Like my eyelashes.

[A]

What? His glasses. What's wrong with his glasses? They thick or something?

[B]

No, he was kissing her with his eyes wide the open. And when she opened them, she was kind of, like, taken aback. Like, why are you kissing me like that? Because his eyes.

[C]

He was like, you're just so beautiful.

[B]

He said, I like looking at you. She was like. Like. Like my eyelashes. What do you mean? Because you're right here. The looking at. What you mean?

[C]

My word.

[B]

Please watch when I tell you.

[A]

I am mortified for her single couple.

[B]

There was one guy on drugs. There's a closet. There's a. No. There's a closeted gay. Asking opinions on gay children and being homophobic. Wait, allegedly.

[C]

Allegedly. Wait, wait. What?

[B]

Allegedly.

[A]

Let me see if I can pick them up.

[B]

Crazy.

[C]

You said so many words, friend.

[B]

You know what? Yes.

[A]

Let me see if I can pick him out. Hold on. Let me see. I'm just gonna go through the men. Any men that pop up, I'm gonna go through.

[B]

Let me see his name. Put his face on the screen.

[C]

I'm asking.

[A]

Okay. Not him. Hold on.

[B]

This is killing me.

[A]

It could be him.

[B]

I bet he got him off Rip.

[C]

He look like it? Let me just say he looks like it.

[B]

You found him already?

[C]

I pulled Love is Blonde Gay. I'm sorry, I had to go right to it.

[B]

No, you didn't type that in.

[C]

Yes, I did.

[B]

And had the nerve to say that it's a fad and that we gotta be careful with what our kids are being exposed to.

[A]

I have. I got two so far.

[B]

Let's see.

[A]

Oh, wait. It could be him too. I wasn't thinking about a black person. Hold on.

[B]

He's.

[A]

Oh, right. No, what's his name? Right here. It's this guy. Hold on.

[B]

Dustin is killing me.

[A]

Yep, that's him right there, y'. All.

[C]

It's not actually.

[A]

Oh, that's not him.

[B]

But that guy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, he looks gay too. What did they do of the gay. What's the gay area in Charlotte, Denver or Denver?

[B]

They're in Denver. And all the Denver people on Tik Tok were like, this is not a representation of our city. Like, we don't know.

[C]

He had to post an apology. Well, I. I don't know if he did.

[A]

He looks Gay. Oh, he looks like, like gay gay. Yeah, like being sex shocked.

[B]

That's what. When I was sitting there watching it, I was like, this is interesting. And, and here's the irony. The girl that he is coupled with said that if she ends up with a gay child, which is the question he asked, like, how would you feel about it? She was like, well, it sound like I'd be yay. Mind you, she has a gay husband now. Like, crazy how life typical.

[A]

This tracks. And this is something that you hear people say all the time is be the ones that are barking the loudest that are secretly gay. It's this, is this trash.

[B]

And he even mentioned a story that when he was young, his mom asked him if he was gay. He volunteered that story.

[C]

Oh, God.

[A]

I'm telling you.

[B]

And this is just. Yeah, and he kept bringing it up. He was. Kept bringing up religion. He kept, you know, there was just things that I was like, oh, this is, this is interesting right here. I'm telling you, please watch it so we can discuss it.

[A]

Go ahead with your lavender marriage.

[B]

Yes. Yep.

[A]

Lavender friend.

[C]

Oh, my God. That is a great talking about.

[B]

I wouldn't say yay, right?

[A]

Well, your husband is gay now, so what you going to do?

[B]

Thinks it's a fad. And she would ask her child, are you sure? Do you know what you're getting yourself into? Do you know what you're signing up for? Those are her.

[A]

Speaking of three letter words that start out with fa.

[B]

On that note, please watch.

[A]

Look at your husband, look at your neighbor and say, the is you all. And how desperate can you be to be on a show called Love is Blind where you willing to marry somebody without even seeing them and you got hateful feelings and views about the way people loving each other.

[C]

Right?

[A]

That's what I mean. You gotta laugh. You gotta laugh at it. It'd be like the most desperate loser ass that have them hateful, homophobic feelings. You, you, you down so bad that you want to show where you so desperate that you gonna marry, marry legally marry a person that you ain't never even seen in your life, but you got a problem with. Some gay people love each other.

[C]

I can't believe I have feelings for a lava lamp right now.

[A]

Yeah, I can. Cause you're crazy.

[C]

You should see somebody about that.

[A]

And that's why you're homophobic, because you're crazy. And so that came. I'm definitely watching. I'm definitely watching now. And I'll get back with y', all, Nick. I' ma watch this week I'll get back with y' all this week.

[B]

Please do that. And the good thing is the new batch of episodes will be out tomorrow.

[A]

Yeah, baby. I'm gonna have it all ready for you. How many come out tomorrow? Three more.

[B]

I think it's like three more.

[A]

I'll make it to nine. The number is nine. Tomorrow, next week. And on that note, that's it for that. On that note, you shouldn't have told me. I'm fired up. You shouldn't have told me that.

[B]

Fired up for Jesus. We love you guys so much.

[C]

Stay black and protect your magic.

[B]

Thanks for hanging out with us yet another week. We love you. We don't take it for granted. And we will see you guys next week. Love y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

Bye.

[B]

Bye. Bye.

[A]

This is the trend line.

[C]

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