Season 4, Episode 1 is coming in hot after a long break—and we couldn’t have picked a better way to come back. Logan and Jake Paul’s mom sits down with me for a raw, unfiltered conversation you won’t expect. What starts as a story about raising two of the most famous brothers on the internet opens into untold moments, hard truths, and the real story behind her bold new book F the Pauls. We go deeper than we ever thought we would.

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Chapters:

00:00 Juicy Book & Going Deeper

02:10 Why She Made These Choices

03:55 Meeting Pam Stepnick

06:40 Raising Kids in the Public Eye

09:30 Fame Came Faster Than We Expected

12:45 Being a Mom While the World Watched

16:05 The Cost of Internet Fame

19:30 Divorce and Personal Responsibility

23:40 Guilt, Regret, and Forgiveness

27:10 Losing Control as a Parent

30:55 Letting Go of Your Kids

34:20 Faith When Life Falls Apart

37:50 Questioning God in Hard Seasons

41:10 God Never Left Me

44:45 Learning to Trust Again

48:30 Why She Wrote the Book

52:10 Reliving Pain Through Writing

56:00 Advice for Struggling Parents

59:40 Letting Your Kids Be Themselves

1:03:20 Faith Isn’t About Control

1:07:10 What I’d Do Differently

1:10:45 Message to Logan & Jake

1:15:00 Healing Takes Time

1:18:30 Final Thoughts on Purpose & Faith