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Gwyneth Paltrow
When I.
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Lacey Phillips
Travel, I'm always curious about where people are staying, especially the places that feel like someone's actual home. Maybe there's fresh herbs in the kitchen or someone's favorite books on the shelf. That's the true essence of a lived in space. It made me realize so many of us already have those kinds of spaces, and even if you're not using yours for a few weeks, someone else might be dreaming of exactly that. You don't have to become a full time host to use Airbnb. Just a smart way to make the most of your space while you're off exploring, maybe even finding something beautiful to bring back with you. Your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much@airbnb.com host.
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Interviewer
When you.
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Lacey Phillips
Are pioneering anything or introducing new ideas to the culture, you get criticized. You do. Yeah, did you hear about that? I didn't find the one. I found someone I respected and we made it the one. In the sort of longing kind of view of love, people understand each other as if by magic. Nothing in itself is addictive on the one hand. On the other hand, everything could be addictive if there's an emptiness in that person that needs to be filled. I now know that nobody changes until they change their energy.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
And when you change your energy, you change your life.
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Lacey Phillips
I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. This is the Goop podcast, bringing together thought leaders, culture changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists, doctors, healers and seekers here to start conversations. Because simply asking questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world Here we go. This week we're sharing a gem from the Goop Podcast archives.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Lacey Phillips is a manifestation advisor based in Los Angeles, the founder of To Be Magnetic, and the host of expanded podcast. We'll get to what it means to be a manifestation advisor. But essentially, Lacey takes a different approach to the new age manifestation model, combining psychology, neuroscience and energetics to to expand and unblock subconscious, limiting beliefs. According to Lacey, manifesting goes way beyond just thinking positive or visualizing until you are blue in the face. We also talk about her belief that self worth is really the law of attraction and about what blocks us from getting what we want.
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Lacey Phillips
I believe in my own world, the universe's intention or whomever you're speaking to is just trying to guide us back into our most whole, authentic, worthy selves that we were literally born as. We just built up this onion layer of pain and shame that is called an ego. And that's all we're trying to do is crack down and peel down. Right.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
One other thing, sorry. If you hear a tiny bit of background noise, it could be a passing car or even plants playing music. Because we hosted in Goop Health outside at the awesome Rolling Greens in downtown la. And yes, we listened to plants composing music, which is the thing, and it was a very goopy scene. Let's cut to my chat with Lacey Phillips.
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Interviewer
Okay, so what exactly is a Manifestation Advisor? How did you get here?
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Lacey Phillips
Yeah, I think it's a more palatable title than Manifestation Coach for me is how I came up with it. But I think anybody who's ever listened to the podcast, I say this all the time that I came to LA first, I was an actress and a model and I was broke and I just wanted to figure out how to have control over my monetary lifestyle. And so I had a family intuitive that was my mom's intuitive that said, go pick up this book on manifestation, read it to a T, and you'll manifest everything you've ever wanted. And I guess in essence, she was right. But it was the same messaging that a lot of us are familiar with, which is think positive, visualize. Hi. You know, be what you want to be, stay in the frequency, get into the vortex. And I would try all of that until I was blue in the face. I mean, I was like at the point where I was spiritual, bypassing so much that I was so afraid of being negative, of attracting more. And I'm like, I don't want to be more poor. Like, I don't want to be more single. And all of the stuff that comes with it. And around 25, I started to notice a little bit of patterning. That when I would manifest very kismet things, it wasn't ever in the ways that was suggested. It was never through positivity, it was never through visualization. And I started to look at what I was doing and I went, I'm going to throw away everything I've ever learned and I want to watch my patterning. And that's just how my brain works. It's all about categorizing and patterning. And so I started to notice, wow, when I actually manifest, it's when I'm stepping into my self worth. And I started to have my own little relationship with it. I was like, maybe I'm just good at this and crazy, but I don't think that the law of attraction has anything to do with positivity. It has everything to do with subconscious self worth. And so I took the next five years to really watch what that looked like for me. And at the same time, I was just healing a lot of familial patterning that I had picked up growing up. And I started to notice anytime I did that I would unlock and clear space for things to come through, through. And so after about five years of perfecting that I was private chefing at the time for really big people in Los Angeles. And I would always talk about it. It was just my languaging. I would be like, I manifested this, the universe brought me that. And one of them was like, well, I want to see, like, show me what you're doing here. Because you do seem to manifest a lot of things. And I was like, I don't know if anybody else can do this, but I'll show you. And they started to manifest and friends started to manifest. And it was finally one of my clients that said, you're good at this whole holistic chefing thing, but I think this is actually your gift in the world. And so I put it out, I think it's been three years now, and it just took off and it was really an answer for a lot of people.
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Interviewer
So take us through what that work looks like. It's not just a vision board, it's an examination. So can you give us some concrete examples?
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Lacey Phillips
Absolutely. So I like to say, I think for people who are very familiar with that old processing, I like to say that there are three things that are fundamentally different. Number one being, I don't think again, manifestation has much to do with positivity. I actually think positivity is symptomatic. Of when we do step into our worth or we do feel more whole or authentic and complete. So that's where I think in the past, people maybe associated positivity with manifestation. So, number one, I believe that manifestation fully comes from completely your self worth. And I don't believe we manifest from our thoughts. In fact, I believe we manifest from our subconscious imprintation that we picked up in childhood. So from zero to seven, anything that we witness that we were really like accolades that we had or we were loved for, we were admired for, those are things that we manifest very simply or things that we saw modeling of that was very positive and abundant and simple, we have a lot of space to bring that in. However, things that we experience in childhood trauma, I know trauma can be a very big and triggering word. However, I think that trauma is a spectrum. I think anywhere you felt shame or you witness shame considered or it created a block, it imprinted a block in our subconscious. So in that perspective, I believe that we're just continuing to project out from those spaces over and over again, manifesting back over and over whatever that representation is. And so I started to notice a really profound difference in changing that. And I'll get to that in a minute. A second fundamental thing is I don't really believe in visualizing, essentially because I would visualize till I was blue in the face. I mean, I would be an actress, you know, cocktailing at the Laugh Factory on Sunset, like visualizing my Malibu home with like a sauna, really beautiful things. And it wasn't coming through, but I did started to notice the patterning that whenever. And you can call them comparisons, I call them expanders. That's the title of the podcast, the expanded podcast. Whenever I would notice somebody that I felt similar to, you know, I felt like there was a lot of similarities in our childhood or upbringing or what we were up to. So I would say when I would notice somebody like, and they had or embodied or were successful in whatever I was desiring, my subconscious would actually create space and buy into the fact that it would be a reality for me as well. So I call them expanders or comparisons. When we see somebody, we see to believe it's possible. That's far more effective, I found, than ever any visualization I had ever done. And then a third component that's very different is that I believe that again, self worth is the law of attraction. And so I do believe, and nobody ever, ever showed me this or taught me this, and it would've really saved a lot of time in this process. Of manifestation that we're tested by the universe, God, whomever your higher power is. We're often tested before our manifestations come through. And what we're being tested for is to see if we will continue to settle where we've settled in the past. So wherever we've played small in a relationship or a job, or our own relationship with ourselves, or the way that we connect with friendships and relationships, when we continue to do that, we block ourselves from getting what we want. So I believe the universe will send through. So say if you're calling in a partnership, for instance, and you've gone through the calling in aspect, and you've done the work through unblocking, which I'll talk about in a moment, and you've expanded, you've gone out and found these relationships that you can really relate to that embody what you want. And now your subconscious can see, unlike your childhood programming, that such a thing exists. At that point, the universe will often send you tests. It'll be kind of what you're looking for, but somebody who's emotionally unavailable. Or it'll be the whole package, but somebody who, you know, doesn't meet an aspect of your needs that you really need. We're often tested, and what we're being tested for again is if we will lower our self worth, if we're not going to be in our self worth. And after we pass those tests, that's when we tend to connect with what we want. And I think when I sort of came out with this model, everybody was like, oh my God, this is so refreshing. There's something actionable and this makes sense. And I've seen this before. And I just think it was something that. Yeah, it was. Again, it was like a model that was less abstract, like visualizing and being in the vortex. It's like actually if you just do A, B, C, D, E, F and G, you usually get what you want. No, and it's true.
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Interviewer
And I think it can be paralyzing this idea that we are so superhuman, and I do think we're superhuman, but that we have so much power that we can simply think something and it would happen. Because clearly that's not how life works. Or at least that's not how my life works.
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Lacey Phillips
I always like to give the example that if we manifested from our thoughts all day long, we're thinking in such polarity that it's like, I'm great, I suck. This is awesome. Look at that person. So much better than me. Or I want that. I don't. If we Were that powerful, our lives would be a shit show.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Lacey Phillips
It would be insane.
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Interviewer
And the world would be even more chaotic than it already is.
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Lacey Phillips
Way more chaotic.
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Interviewer
Yeah, yeah. No, it's true. So, all right, so take us through. Let's start at this with, we can use money, we can use love, whatever you think is clearest.
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Lacey Phillips
Absolutely.
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Interviewer
So if we're talking about money, so if that's your subconscious belief that you will never be safe, you will never have enough, you will never have financial security. So you're saying until you re parent that out of yourself and soothe that baby, that's what you're creating.
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Lacey Phillips
So I feel like I can really speak to this one because I come from a huge lack environment, which I think many people do. And I lived in a lack environment for very long. It took me a very long time to get out of that path. And once I kind of figured it out, I was like, oh, this is actually quite simple. When you understand the energetics around it, it becomes very formulaic. And so the way that that kind of looks. Again, some people, I used to, when I would take clients, I would have clients that would come that came from these very abundant circumstances, but they couldn't find themselves making money. So a lot of the times there, there would be subconscious programming that maybe the dad was the breadwinner and the mom never followed through with a dream that she had. And so therefore she was a caretaker. So the imprintation of our limbic brain, our subcon brain, would be like, as a woman, if I was working with a woman, as a woman, I will have a dream, but I'll end up being a nurturer and I can't actually have what I want. And this would be somebody who's gone to an incredible university, who has done great internships, but still can't figure out how to make money. And it's like if we're continuing and we're not even aware we're continuing to loop on that and have that projection, there's just nowhere for that to come through. So again, with that model of money, for instance, and the work that I do, I do it mostly through hypnosis. And it's a little bit of a different process. Traditional hypnosis, I find, to be a bit spiritual bypass y as well. It's like just completely reinforce the positive. And my brain, or I like to say, if you have very low self worth, or you initially started with low self worth, I find that our subconscious brains can be very intelligent where it's like, I still don't Believe that reinforcement of the positive. I actually have to get to the root and see where this comes from and actually look and see that it's possible for me to change that and go out and find the expanders that show me that they come from a similar environment and they've gone on to. To create what they want. And then some tests will come our way usually, and I'm simplifying the process, but again, this is like a workshop I have for like $68.
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Interviewer
And then that middle, the expander. And obviously there's sort of the. There's how we're programmed by our parents, how we're culturally programmed, I would imagine, in terms of what's available or what's possible for women or people of color. And then like an expander would be someone like Michelle Obama or a generation of girls who can say, I can do that. Bring that to me.
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Lacey Phillips
Exactly.
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Interviewer
So is that an expander or is it a more complex idea?
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Lacey Phillips
No, it's actually very simple. You just simplified it perfectly. The whole concept of an expander, may it be whatever you're manifesting, you can have fragment expanders or you can have whole expanders. So a woman of color client comes to me and let's say, you know, somebody who's coming from South Central and they've been over and over programmed over and over that you're not going to achieve this, you're not going to get out of this, you're not going to have better than this. And then they see to believe through one mentor, one woman in social media, one documentary speaks to them of another woman who has gone through that circumstance and has gone on now to transcend and accomplish this alone. That already starts to create the space for. In your subconscious, for it to open up for you to have space for what you want to come through. And you can find expanders everywhere. You can find them on social media. Find them again. I love saying that documentaries or movies are great places because when we're sitting there watching a documentary or a show, we're in a hypnotic state, right? Like our subconscious comes forward, we go into theta, so it can't tell the difference between what's real or not real. So when we're tuning out to this movie or this documentary and it's a comparison that we really relate to, or a story or a narrative that we completely identify with, all of a sudden, without us even knowing it on a subconscious level, we're creating that space. And so it's very simple to kind of look at it like this. Basically, the Three components to manifestation, I believe are that you have to, let's say here you are, your subconscious and you have this imprintation from childhood. May it have been witnessed or may it have been experienced. Because witnessing shame, say a parent who constantly is commenting on body image of somebody else, you growing up, maybe your mom didn't have body image or parents didn't have body image and you see them just commenting on that other person. That experience shame is enough for you to imprint in your shadow that oh my gosh, if I ever look like that, I'll never be loved, right? So I call that a block, right? So here's your block, that's number one. And all I say is you have to get down to your subconscious and unlock that. You have to show it a different story. So at that point you remove the block. But let's say you're not expanded. Something you're wanting in your life, going back to money again. You grew up in a lack environment you still haven't seen. Your community was in very much lack. Like I grew up in a small conservative town, there's a lot of lack going on there. Had I not come to la, I probably wouldn't have seen enough comparisons to expand what would have been potential for me financially. So that at that point you need to expand and that creates the space for what you want to come through. And then the last little bit of it essentially is whatever you're calling in, right? Just the human nature of us all, we tend to want something greater than where we are. So it's usually at a self worth level a little bit higher. I'll go back to an example of partnerships, for instance. Usually you're calling in somebody for the most part. Clients that I work with are calling in somebody who is very emotionally available, has all the qualities they want to embody, is successful. X, Y and Z. Whatever you're looking for tends to be up here. However, maybe you've been dating around here, some of those qualities are met, but there's not emotional availability, whatever that can look like for you. You're going to be tested to make that you can connect with what that is. So it's really literally about unblocking, expanding, passing the test to connect with what you want on a self worth level.
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Interviewer
We talked about you mentioning documentaries, movies. Once it's unblocked or once it's expanded, can it shut? Like when you see negative things or an expression of your deepest fears, is that starting to muddle those open canals?
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Lacey Phillips
I feel like I always like to call manifestation a Trust muscle, right? Because the lower self worth we have initially for whatever we're working towards or wanting or calling in, it's a pretty big leap of faith. That's why the whole visualization thing, you have to jump off a pretty big cliff mentally to be like, I could have that. You know what I mean? So it's like the more we tend to manifest bigger and bigger things, our trust muscle tends to get stronger and stronger. And at that, when you start to witness, say, a negative narrative in association to what you want, it's a lot slimmer for you to have something closed down. But let's say, let's take, for instance, you've gone on to manifest the partner, right? You have the partner, it's going well. And then you start to witness a very similar dynamic of partnership from a friend, and somebody starts cheating on somebody. That can certainly start to create a narrative of fear or that I could lose or insecurity in the relationship, right? So at that point, you're just kind of counteracting. You're really wanting to, I like to say, curate your subconscious. I'm a big curator of subconscious, and I don't mean this to be like privilege and staying in a bubble whatsoever. But in association to whatever you're manifesting, you'll just want to start to kind of close down the attention that you're giving to that circumstance, and you'll want to move it over and pivot it to more expanders who tend to be in the positive. So if you experience trauma later in life, you're gonna go through that healing process and work with your professional, and you're going to want to go out and find the expanders who have overcome that kind of trauma. So I don't know if that feels like it answers what you're saying, but it's like way out more of what you're wanting with more expanders than that one thing you're taking in.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Lacey Phillips
You know what I mean?
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Interviewer
No, that totally makes sense. This is fascinating. You're like a witch.
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Lacey Phillips
Like an energetic witch.
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Interviewer
And you mentioned privilege. So let's say you manifest everything that you feel. I don't know what you're manifesting or who your expanders are, what you're driving for, but is the idea that if we can all start to manifest from a place of positivity and fill our lives with the things that nourish us, that the world starts to change? Or can you manifest. Can you manifest for culture? Can you manifest for the globe? Can you manifest for Earth?
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Lacey Phillips
This is a Great question. And I'm a huge proponent that you can't manifest for others. Right. Because if we could, my mom wouldn't be an alcoholic. If I had control of somebody else's destiny, a lot of people in my lives, their lives would look very differently as a fixer, you know, and a child of an alcoholic. However, what I do feel like we have the most power to be is a vision holder, I like to call it. It's where we can be an expander who can look through somebody else and hold the vision of where they're going for them and build them up. We can also be an expander and be an inspiration to everybody. I feel like that's our goal and our duty on the planet. So I'm a firm believer. The more that we. And I believe that the whole intention of manifestation in general, like I believe in my own world, the universe's intention or whomever you're speaking to, is just trying to guide us back into our most whole, authentic, worthy selves that we were literally born as. We just built up this onion layer of pain and shame that is called an ego. And that's all we're trying to do, is crack down and peel down. Right. So I believe the more of us that are on this path, that are trying to get back into our most whole, authentic, worthy selves, whatever that looks like for anybody, it could totally not even be on the material plane. It could just be on the energetic plane. The more we're going to expand others that such as possible. And that, I believe, has a massive trickle effect. As well as doing your duty. When you see somebody that is so much like a younger version of you or a version of you, anywhere that you can go and vision hold for them, where you're like, I see where you're going. It's magical. Not projecting your stuff on them, but also just really finding their qualities, their magic and really seeing that and pointing it out and building somebody up. I believe that that has, like, an immense effective capacity. Especially in a culture like ours that is so heated. It's so. I don't know, it's so divided in a lot of ways, politically. There's so much division happening that I think the less that we're calling out and we're pointing fingers at problems, and the more that we're inspiring our community and vision, holding our community or our algorithm or whatever we have the capability of doing, I see that being like a transformation on the planet.
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Interviewer
Yeah. I also just think that the very basic premise of what you're Saying is something we hold dearly at goop, which is that we all have autonomy over our own lives. And I think you see women taking their power back, whether it's in the doctor's office or culturally.
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Lacey Phillips
Absolutely.
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Interviewer
And so this is sort of anti victimhood, Right. Or the opposite. Not anti, but the opposite of victimhood. And this idea that. And I would imagine when you work with people, part of it is sort of the teasing out of, like, what is in your life. And how did it get there?
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Lacey Phillips
Absolutely. And honestly, I used to take clients, and I got to a point where I was like, how empowering is it where somebody can go through the journey of figuring that out for themselves? Because I know that victimhood, wherever we are in our consciousness, can be a very triggering word for somebody. It used to be for me for years and years and years. But then there's this place that I believe the only way to take your power back is to take your story back and to be like, nah, this doesn't have to be my story if I don't want it. In fact, there's a roadmap to have whatever story I want and to create whatever story I want. Whatever that looks like for you. It's so different for everybody. But I do feel like, yeah, there's a deep sense of empowerment you can have from going on that journey to ask yourself those questions of, like, where did I get this improntation? Why do I have this block? I don't have to. I have, like, the autonomy, the power. I'm empowered enough that I can go and create whatever story I want.
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Interviewer
How do you reconcile just thinking about being the child of an alcoholic and the. Who knows? I mean, I know addiction, and it's a soup of factors. Right. So how do you separate what some people, and I don't believe this, would say is like a genetic determination about you from what's available. Like, do you feel like that has no bearing on what's possible?
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Lacey Phillips
I think this is so triggering. And I think as somebody who is a child of an alcoholic and truthfully has grown up with nothing but addiction around me, I personally, I don't love the narrative that it's a disease and I can't overcome it. I'll always be it. In fact, I've just seen too many people to prove me wrong in my friendship group that I literally can't even buy into that. But if that's a narrative that works for somebody in their recovery process, that's beautiful. If that's what's going to keep someone sober. And feel strong and in their power. However, I have seen so many people transcend that. I personally don't see it as super genetic. I know that there are DNA testings that can show you. I've dated a partner and I have a best friend who literally black out after a couple of drinks. Like they genetically cannot handle booze, you know. But again, I've also seen that best friend at this point in her life, she's like, yeah, I'm a mom now. I want to be present. Therefore I'm not imbibing. You know, and not to say that that's the path of recovery or that it's easy like that. I just again, if she had grown up with that programming and that narrative that it's genetic in you, you're probably going to end up this way and that it was continuing to be reinforced. Who knows what her messaging would be and her narrative would be. So I like to personally empower people in that, that I believe you can have whatever story you want based on your recovery process. That's unique to you.
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Interviewer
Yeah, that's interesting. So how do you and I know that you have many, many courses that are intense.
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Lacey Phillips
So intense.
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Interviewer
Yeah, no, but it's interesting because like some of the work is hard, right? Like you are asking people to excavate and explore childhoods and trauma. Do you typically, do you like people to do this in sort of the company of a therapist or thousand percent?
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Lacey Phillips
Like it's all over our blog. Cause I mean I'm not there to support somebody. I'm not a therapist. I've always, always said please, please, please. It's at the bottom of every welcome page. It's like please reach out to your, whatever your support system is. If it's a 12 step group, if it's a therapist, if you, if it's a friendship because you can't afford those means. Please, please. Especially if things get too triggering and too hard, please work with a professional. That's huge for me and I think during my process I've gone in and out of phases of talk therapy and different therapy modalities at this point. I don't traditionally need a lot of support in that, but again, I've been through, I think most of the thick of it, but some people experience such deep trauma and such violation that, that I think it's really, really important and responsible for somebody to do this work with a support system when needed.
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Interviewer
Yeah, no, that makes sense. Let's talk a little bit about the universe testing you because I know that that's Sort of the moment, I think you describe it as like, I don't know if you describe it this way, but where it's, you know, the seed is in the ground and it's dark. Like before you enter the light, what.
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Lacey Phillips
Do you call it? Dark. The magic dark.
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Interviewer
The magic dark, yeah. So what is that?
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Lacey Phillips
Yeah, this is a great question because a lot of people will hear my podcast or they'll read blogs or stuff on social media and they'll be like, I think I'm in the magic dark right now. But to be really specific about this. So the process of manifestation that I teach is actually super formulaic like I've mentioned. And so you go through the steps of calling in, you'll go through the steps of expanding through expanders and then you'll get to the point of test and you'll be tested. And it's really wild. Cause you'll start to see tests coming through and now you can recognize them and you're empowered when they're showing up. And you're not to going just blindsided by these dating experiences or job opportunities or whatever you're manifesting after you've passed the very hard test, you tend to go through this moment. Most people do. I saw this in patterning. I still go through it all the time that I call the magic dark. And that's this point where you've passed really hard tests. You've really grown your self worth. You've really been going through the work of unblocking and all of a sudden you're hearing crickets. I mean, it's like when the water recedes and it's. You're hoping it'll come back in. Or it's the darkest before the dawn and you're like, where did my momentum go? I could see and pinpoint everything that was happening. It was going accordingly and now there's nothing. And what that final moment is, usually that you're being tested are two things. One, that you 100% believe in again, whoever your source is that you're talking to, that they will give you what you want. Two, that you absolutely are not willing to settle for anything less. It's like that, this final moment to be like, you sure? You sure you're not going to go back to that job that treated you like shit because your savings was running out. You sure you're not going to call that ex boyfriend? Or if your thing of getting attention is through sexuality and it's not an empowered sexuality, are you sure you're not going to just go hook up because it's been a dry spell for a long time. Wherever you used to settle before, it's a, are you sure? Do you 100% believe that I can give you what you want? And then B, you know, are you sure you're ready to go there? Like, you're not going to settle for less?
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Interviewer
Yeah. And do you think that it's. That it's the test? Because if you actually get what you want before you're ready, you won't treasure it?
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Lacey Phillips
No, no. I really believe, again, like, I do believe the law of attraction, for lack of a better word, but it's something that's been created and coined. That's a good way to describe it is that self worth has to match self worth. So again, I think you're literally being primed to be at the same worth level again, like a sense of empowerment and wholeness and worthiness as what you're calling in, because it's usually greater than where you are. So it's not like, oh, they're gonna fumble. He or she is going to fumble and they'll let it all go. It'll slip through their fingers. No, you're literally like, for lack of a better word, getting in vibration and self worth with that thing. May it be a job, your own relationship with yourself, money, partnership. I really believe that's what it is.
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Interviewer
Is there a risk of sort of over manifesting? Like, do you ever need to check yourself?
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Lacey Phillips
Dude, there is one thing that will happen. I think I even have a YouTube video on this. Cause we will get people that write in and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm manifesting so much. It's coming through. And there's this huge sense that'll happen. A, will this all get taken away from me? And B, do I actually deserve this? And I like to call it. It's sort of like. It's like a hangover that comes or you're having to reckon with the things in your life, especially if you come from scarcity or a lot of things. Rugs were taken out from under you when you were young. This still happens to me a lot. Like when I manifested the house that I live in, which is our retreat house up north, there were moments when construction finished while I was lying in bed and I was like, I don't deserve this. Whoa, a fire is going to burn it down because there's always wildfires there or all this old superstition will pop up. So that's a really good indicator of like, I need to do some more Unblocking to catch up with what's coming, Come into my life, all of these beautiful and good things. And no, it's not all going to get taken away from you. That's absolutely a superstition. And B, you absolutely deserve what you have because it's in your life. You know, it's just a little bit more of work you need to do. It's like a hangover. You have to catch up to the energy of it, I feel.
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Interviewer
And so. And along those lines, how do you know that you're manifesting to, like, your highest power, highest worth, and not manifesting? I mean, I'm assuming you can manifest in the wrong direction or. No, I don't really.
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Lacey Phillips
Like, again, whenever it's sort of the wrong direction. Here's an example of what you're saying, which I think will lay it out pretty well. I'll get people. Aries tend to be the quickest manifesto on the planet. Like, you're an Aries sun. It's because you guys are usually uninhibited. If you don't have crazy blocks around, whatever you're calling in, you guys are crazy. You're lucky. It's a gift. However, I'll have Aries clients will have this situation happen where they'll be like, oh, man, I got everything on my list. It was exactly what I was calling in. And then they'll be like. Like, I guess it's not actually really what I want. And so I always say, great, move on to the next thing. And I think that's a really beautiful cancellation system, as it would be if you had to do it preemptively of like, well, is this really what I want? Are these the qualities and aspects that are truly my core essence? Desire for my soul. And it's kind of in real time. And the material plane. You get a C, and you're like, no, that's actually not the partner I really wanted. And then you move on to the next.
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Interviewer
I can't imagine not being a little bit of a victim of your own life in the sense of actually taking the time to be like, what do I want? I don't know how people come. How do people arrive at that?
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Lacey Phillips
You know, that's probably the biggest question we get, are people who are feeling like they don't have clarity over what they want. And I'm like, just do the work. Don't worry about that. Watch what starts to show up in your life when you're not even controlling the process, you're just unblocking it. And Expanding to be your best version of yourself in terms of your most whole, authentic, worthy self, you know, so it's like, if you don't know what you want, it's scary in what societal programming represents because we are programmed to be so specific and clear with sort of A1 trajectory. But it's like, watch the magic and the beauty when you don't and you're just following the other aspects and passing tests. You know, something like, everybody can take away today and start doing is. Is anything in your life where you're feeling small, start saying, no. Watch how much magnetism. You start having a friend who kind of treats you like shit. That's not a great compatible friend for you right now. Give him the. You know, put him at arm's length and start to really only allow the things in your life that make you feel good that are a hell yes in your life. And just that alone starts to create magnetism. No crazy childhood unblocking needed yet, you know, and so that's just where if you just start to implement these really basic things, a lot of magic can start to transpire.
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Interviewer
Yeah. Who are the expanders in your life?
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Lacey Phillips
Ooh. Right now, Eckhart Tolle is a big one. You know, everyone. It would always be like, Oprah or. And it's, you know, and it's not just the spirituality realm of it, but my team, they started to ask. They were like, lacy, we need to get very clear because, like, opportunities are coming and things are happening. There's a book and all this stuff. And they were like, is it Oprah? Is it, like, Tony Robbins? And I'm like, God, no, I don't, you know, like, I don't want any of that. I want to live in a forest and come out when I feel like it and, you know, really be in the present moment and have a life. So in terms of a career front, Eckhart Tolle is a big one. On my podcast, I just had Shrimadi, which is a really beautiful, spiritual woman who wears many hats. And as a mother and the matriarch of her family, she's a big one that I've realized recently. I have a lot of expanders because I'm very. My masculine. So I have a lot of expanders who represent the feminine to me. Shiva Rose, you guys know very well. She's a good friend and comes up a lot. She's very in her feminine. Did you say you.
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Interviewer
Oh, you buried your feminine or you for sure.
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Lacey Phillips
From childhood? 100%. And I'm always working on, like, Being more in that and being. And I'm also. I just have a very masculine astrology chart. Like, everything's very masculine in my life.
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Interviewer
Yeah. No, I. We. We.
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Lacey Phillips
We have a lot in common. Yeah.
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Interviewer
No, I have a more dominant masculine side. I know you guys can't tell, but it's hard.
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Lacey Phillips
You wear it well, though. I'm always like you. I always have, like, the one masculine anchor, but I, like, try to put the feminine into it.
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Interviewer
Put a dress on it.
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Lacey Phillips
That's it. It helps. Put some pink lipstick on. Yeah, exactly.
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Interviewer
Some lashes. We both grew up. I grew up in Montana, and she's near Yosemite with horses mucking around in the dirt, which is kind of the.
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Lacey Phillips
Best way to be as a kid. Oh, my. But I did resent. I guess it was older, though, I would be like. Cause my mom grew up in Eagle Rock, and I was like, I'm so mad that she didn't raise me in la. And now I'm like, I'm so grateful.
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Interviewer
And now we're all beating a hasty retreat.
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Lacey Phillips
Totally.
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Interviewer
I know. I want to manifest myself as a rodeo queen.
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Lacey Phillips
Yes. Yes. It's like you do, but you don't. Like, my dad's a roper, so I know exactly what that's.
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Interviewer
Oh, those rodeo queens at the fair. That was stunning.
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Lacey Phillips
It's a whole thing.
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Interviewer
It is a whole thing. We'll talk about it.
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Lacey Phillips
Yeah.
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Interviewer
And do you. Is this the sort of practice that is too much power for some people?
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Lacey Phillips
Oh, no. I think there's so much work ahead of everybody.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Lacey Phillips
Like, I think you could be unblocking until the day you die that. It's just not like that. It's. It's powerful. It can. Things can happen very quickly, but again, there's just, like. There's the divinity of you, your self worth, your story. There's so many moving parts that it's. I don't think it could ever be too powerful. It's not that crazy.
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Interviewer
It's not that crazy.
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Lacey Phillips
No, it's not like magic. It's not. It's literally not spiritual bypassing or a magic bullet you have to put in the work.
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Interviewer
Yeah, no, it's interesting. Do you know Jim Doty? He's been on the podcast, and he. He was taught. He grew up in Extreme Lack. He's at Stanford. He's a neurosurgeon, and he. It's called C Care. The center for Compassion, Altruism.
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Lacey Phillips
Wow.
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Interviewer
He's friends with every spiritual. He drops you an email, and he's like, oh, I'M gonna be in la. I'm on my way to see the Pope for a few days. No big deal. But he learned how to manifest. He went into a magic shop as a child again. Grew up with in a house of addiction and scarcity. And this woman was there with her son and she taught him how to manifest. And he created a very abundant world.
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Lacey Phillips
Wow.
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Interviewer
Managed to get himself to school, to college. Not even really knowing what a college was. But he had these incredible powers of manifestation that he learned. And then he got to a point of wealth and prestige and fame and lost it all.
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Lacey Phillips
Yeah.
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Interviewer
And then realized that he had never wanted any of it. But it had all come from a list he had made as a seven year old.
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Lacey Phillips
Wow.
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Interviewer
To be a doctor. To have a Porsche.
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Lacey Phillips
Oh, yeah.
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Interviewer
To have $20 million or whatever it was.
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Lacey Phillips
You know, I think this is such a great conversation because I had this moment happen. And it sounds like his life parallels mine in a lot of ways. And when I finally had bought this retreat house through the brand that we have that we're about to launch, I was driving one day to it and I had this moment where I was like, I have everything I set out to have. Like I have everything three years ago from a list, every single component. And I started to go, cool, so now what's the meaning of life? And I think it's really special when I think a lot of people will do the work on themselves for the dangling carrot of the material plane of what to have. And I think that it's so important. I actually philosophize this with a lot of friends where a lot of people forget that. Siddhartha Buddha, when he went into truly understanding Buddhism and non attachment, he had everything. He was a prince, he had the family, he had everything. And then he could go and finally explore that. Whereas I think there's two messaging systems in Eastern philosophy where you have the mysticism of Yogi Bhajan and have everything you want and the tantra and the sexuality. And then you have the messaging of Buddhism that's complete non attachment and presence. And I think it's so fascinating how people can arrive there. I even see myself starting to go, cool, cool, cool. Like here's the material plane. Got it. But now I finally, because I feel like society asks us and pressures us to have a lot of things on the material plane that now I can really start to philosophize what's the meaning of life? And I'm starting to move more in that direction of mindfulness and compassion. And I think a lot of people arrive at that. So it's just something to keep in mind, you know, when we want for not. I feel like we can start to be truly present. And I had to arrive there through the material plane because I come from such lack. Like I would have always been like, when I have this, I'll be happy. And I think a lot of people can resonate with that. So pat yourself on the back. If you're like trying to practice non attachment and Buddhism, but you're still like caught up in the material, it's such a. It's so polarizing that I think there's something to be said about his story and I think that's really cool.
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Interviewer
No, and I love the idea too of exercising our muscles to build faith in the universe, to feel held like the maternal embrace of safety so that you can stop. I think we all know what that's like to be obsessively fixating on what we need or what we don't have with the illusion. Yeah. And then it's like if you can scratch those itches. What a gift to get to the place of realizing that there's more work to do.
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Lacey Phillips
Oh, yeah. And there's just so much more pleasure to be had.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Thanks for listening to my chat with Lacey. You can learn more about her way of manifesting on goop.com the podcast and on her site to bemagnetic.com and take a listen to her own podcast expanded. All right, that's all for the day. Don't forget to rate and review. Hit subscribe if you haven't already. And I really hope you'll share the Goop podcast with a friend. I'll be back here this Thursday for more. And in the meantime, you can check out goop.com thepodcast.