In this episode of The Grove Podcast, Shelley Giglio is joined by Jackie Hill Perry for a powerful conversation about faith, formation, and the hidden places where God does His deepest work. Together they unpack the wrestle with ambition, the beauty of spiritual disciplines, and the way God meets us in our lack to remind us that He alone is enough. Wherever you find yourself, this episode will encourage you to trust that God uses every part of your story to make you more like Jesus.