479. Welsh Election Special with Kiri Pritchard-McLean, Priya Hall and Carol Vorderman - part one

Summary

The Guilty Feminist – Episode 479: Welsh Election Special (Part One)

with Deborah Frances-White, Kiri Pritchard-McLean, Priya Hall, and Carol Vorderman
Date: April 20, 2026 | Location: Cardiff, Wales

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Episode Overview

This Welsh Election Special episode is part of the Guilty Feminist’s “Road to Gilead” project, aiming to rally listeners against the rise of the far right, particularly in the run-up to the Welsh election. Host Deborah Frances-White is joined by co-hosts Kiri Pritchard-McLean, Priya Hall, and special guest Carol Vorderman, who together unpack the threat posed by Reform UK and the tactics needed to keep Wales inclusive and progressive. The episode is a rousing mix of political insight, tactical advice, personal stories, and humor—all with an urgent call to action for grassroots involvement and tactical voting.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: Why This Matters (05:12–11:19)

• Deborah Frances-White frames the episode as an "emergency special" targeting the threat of far right parties in Wales, specifically Reform UK:

  “We're really worried about our country being taken over by the far right. And we believe quite strongly we don't need to let that happen.” (10:05)

• Emphasis that while focused on Wales, the lessons apply globally, reflecting the rise of far right populism worldwide.

2. “I’m a Feminist But…” – Opening Banter (05:12–07:01)

• Light-hearted confessions from Deborah, Kiri, and Carol, acknowledging their own contradictions as feminists—setting a friendly, candid tone.

  “I was being interviewed by a national newspaper... and then a lat slip that quite like being called a MILF.” — Carol Vorderman (07:18)

3. Political Comedy & The Power of Showing Up (11:19–18:37)

• Kiri shares anecdotes from her upbringing in Anglesey, the impact of grassroots campaigning, and practical observations about community and resistance.

• Stresses the importance of hope, perseverance, and “showing up for your community as you’re doing tonight.” (14:59)

  “They knocked on our doors, they showed up… it's that stuff that makes a difference.” — Kiri Pritchard-McLean (14:59)

4. Welsh Identity & Community Spirit (18:37–20:59)

• Celebration of Welshness, acknowledgement of those who traveled to attend, and gratitude for collective action.
• Kiri’s humorous nod to Welsh geography and vegan cafes further localizes and personalizes the show.

5. Carol Vorderman’s Call to Arms: History, Family, and the Fight for Progress (23:17–27:10)

• Carol shares her personal backstory—growing up in poverty as the child of Welsh and Dutch/Italian immigrants; the support of a passionate Welsh nationalist math teacher; and how much progress has been hard-won.

• Strong warnings that Reform seeks to “take away all the good fucking things that have been fought for, for decades” (24:16).

• Anecdotes highlight how far Wales has come in language, women’s rights, and community infrastructure.

  “We must not let it go back because of some posh twats in England who want to take this country backwards.” — Carol Vorderman (27:10)

6. Dissecting Reform UK — Receipts from Carol (27:53–47:27)

• Carol details the structure and backing of Reform UK:

  • Party described as “sinister, divisive… Tories 2.0 but far more sinister” (28:12).
  • Spotlights corrupt or criminal histories of Farage’s inner circle: George Cottrell (fraud), James McMurdoch (domestic violence), Richard Tice (tax avoidance).
  • Draws direct lines between Reform UK, Trumpism, and MAGA tactics.

• Revelations about Reform’s financial backers—offshore billionaires, connections to questionable money sources, and media complicity:

  “Reform is a classic case of reverse Robin Hood. They want to rob the poor and give to the super-rich.” — Carol Vorderman (52:04)

• Highlights how Reform manipulates narratives for the “hopeless,” capitalizes on disenfranchisement, and how their supposed “anti-establishment” credentials are a façade.

7. Media Manipulation and Populist Campaigning (47:27–54:21)

• Detailed breakdown of misleading promises on taxes and public services in Reform literature.

• Discussion of media figures (e.g., Thomas Skinner on BBC Question Time) and their unstated party ties.

• Carol exposes how right-leaning media and TV sometimes boosts the far right’s message under false pretenses.

  “They lie, they lie, they lie, they lie again. So when you're talking about hopelessness, he's going to say, ‘You're paying too much tax. We're going to cut tax.’” — Carol Vorderman (42:19)

8. The Importance of Tactical Voting & High Turnout (50:08–54:21)

• Explains that the far right wins when turnout is low. Welsh listeners are urged to not only vote but to ensure everyone in their household does, emphasizing tactical voting to block Reform.
• Vorderman notes, “When you get a 35% or 40% turnout, they lose. When it's 25% turnout, they win. And please take home that message because you can determine what happens in this beautiful country of ours.” (63:44)

9. Uplifting Examples, Hope, and Direct Action (57:50–63:47)

• Spotlights on-the-ground examples: Green and Lib Dem wins in recent elections achieved via tactical voting and community solidarity.

• References to grassroots victories in Wales—e.g., Hannah Spencer (Green) winning and being vilified by the far right.

• Reminders that Reform’s polling is now declining; gives concrete data and examples.

  “We have hope in the West. The French last month voted… against [Orban’s] disgusting regime… You need a high turnout and you need to vote tactically.” — Carol Vorderman (59:07)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Farage:
  “Reform are not your friends. So obviously he didn't believe in the Senate to start with.” — Carol Vorderman (30:06)
• On Activism:
  “You have to persuade everyone in your household to vote, except if they're going to vote Reform. You know, if it's your Nain, we say Nain in the North...” — Carol Vorderman (51:17)
• Satire on Connections:
  “I'm just normal, just like you. I'm just friends with Donald Trump, who has a golden loo, just like you, just totally normal guy.” — Deborah Frances-White (40:00)
• On Political Legacies:
  “We stand on the shoulders of those giants and we must not let it go back because of some posh twats in England...” — Carol Vorderman (27:08)
• Camaraderie and Humor:
  “If you're not familiar with Vinted… men, it's like CEX for leopard print.” — Kiri Pritchard-McLean (15:11)

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Essential Timestamps

• 05:12: Opening “I’m a feminist but…” segment — comedic confessions
• 11:19: Introduction to the Welsh election special and Road to Gilead
• 14:11: Kiri shares a success story about organizing and positive community activism
• 23:17: Carol Vorderman begins her in-depth segment—personal story, historical context
• 27:53: Carol’s detailed exposé on Reform UK: corruption, personalities, and financial networks
• 42:43: Audio collage showing Reform’s shifting and deceptive tax messaging
• 51:17: The importance of household turnout and tactical voting
• 59:07: Analysis of turnout, recent successes with tactical voting, and encouragement
• 64:25: Marad performs “Bread and Roses,” followed by a communal Welsh national anthem

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Conversational, irreverent, and passionate: The hosts blend sharp satire and earnest activism, making the dense subject matter highly accessible.
• Community-focussed: The live audience, local references, and Welsh pride are ever-present and intentionally inclusive.
• Empowering and urgent: Throughout, the message is clear—complacency is dangerous, and collective action is both necessary and effective.

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Key Takeaways for Listeners

• Reform UK and similar far-right parties are not “anti-establishment” heroes but fronts for corrupt, ultra-wealthy, often criminal interests seeking to roll back hard-won rights.
• Voter turnout and tactical voting are the most effective tools against the far right—complacency is their ally.
• Welsh (and wider UK) history is full of examples where progress has been hard-won and should not be reversed.
• Grassroots action, community cohesion, and personal responsibility (helping friends and family vote) are essential to safeguarding democracy.
• Political activism can—and should—also involve joy, laughter, and music, as embodied in the episode’s communal moments and humor.

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Closing (63:47–end)

Carol, Deborah, and Kiri conclude with a plea to carry the message forward, leverage tactical voting, and inspire hope. The first half closes with stirring songs and collective pride, teeing up the Q&A and candidate interviews in part two.

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Next Steps:

• Listen to Part Two for a Q&A with audience questions and further tactical advice
• Follow up at guiltyfeminist.com for voting resources, election information, and upcoming shows

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“You can determine what happens in this beautiful country of ours.” — Carol Vorderman (63:44)

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[End of Part One Summary]

Transcript

[Deborah Frances-White]

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[Deborah Frances White]

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[Carol Vorderman]

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[Government Announcer]

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[Deborah Frances-White]

Hello, guilty feminists, this is Deborah. Today we have a very special episode which we recorded very recently in Cardiff in Wales. There were lots of messages from listeners saying, please come and do a show in Wales where we can talk about tactical voting and boots on the ground to keep reform out. And wow, what a night it was. Now, if you're listening internationally, you might think, well, this is not very relevant to me, but it really is because the far right are on the rise all around the world and, and the same things apply. So this is an episode that will rouse you, motivate you, excite you, entertain you. There's lots of gorgeous comedy, there are stunning singers and there's deep dive political discussion with political candidates and the incredible Carol Vorderman talking about tactical voting and the tricks that the far right Use. I really do think you're going to get a lot out of this episode. It's extremely motivating. Our next very special show is a big one. It's at the Leicester Square Theatre in London. It's on the 30th of April and it is a collab with the Nerve News. The Nerve News are doing really exceptional journalism. It's a brilliant group of women who left the Guardian and the observer and set up their own operation.

[Deborah Frances White]

The guest co host is the wonderful

[Deborah Frances-White]

and very funny Rialina. There'll be comedy from her. We will also have live music. And the guests are from the Nerve News, the amazing Carol Cadwaladr, who is widely thought to be one of the best journalists in the country, who has written widely and deeply on the Epstein files. And the wonderful Lucia Osborne Crowley, who was one of the only journalists allowed into the Ghislaine Maxwell trial and she's written a brilliant book about it. We're going to be looking at what the environment was that led up to the ability for Epstein and his cabal to do what they did. But also, what are we going to do from here? This will not be a night where we're going to go into graphic details. We know we've seen those graphic details and we don't want to put you in that position live in a theater. But this will be a situation where we're talking about justice and circumstance and environment and societal factors. It will be an opportunity for you to ask live questions of Carol and Lucia, who really, really know what they're talking about. So if you feel like, hold on a minute, we've really moved on very quickly from this and it's a huge deal. It's really emboldened the Epstein class. Then this is a show you really won't want to miss. We also have a brilliant show coming up on the 14th of May at the back of the Museum of Comedy with the Global Human Rights Group talking about how the environment for women and girls globally has changed since the Trump administration and what we can do about it. And on the 22nd of May with the journalist Alice McCool talking about how far right Christian nationalists are trying to get into our NHS and our reproductive rights. All these are live podcast recordings and you will be able to see them afterwards on YouTube or listen to them wherever you get your podcasts.

[Deborah Frances White]

But if you'd like a ticket for

[Deborah Frances-White]

the live show, and we really hope you would, go to guiltyfeminist.com and click on live shows and my book, Six Conversations, we're scared to have about why we're in the global position we are and what we can do about it is out now in paperback, so you can afford it. Go grab one now. On with the podcast.

[Deborah Frances White]

I'm a feminist, but

[Host/Announcer]

hello, Cardiff.

[Deborah Frances White]

And I'm a feminist, but one time I was looking for a new headshot for my website and I said to my husband, does this picture of me look a bit dove campaign for real beauty? And he said, no, darling, you look lovely. And I thought, well, that campaign's failed. I don't want real beauty, I want billboard Jennifer Aniston, l' Oreal commercial beauty. Is that so wrong? Yes, obviously. Shut up.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

I'm a feminist butt. You will want to retract those cheers in just a second.

[Marad]

I.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

A friend of mine, a female friend of mine, was recently talking about wanting to take weight loss jobs and I encouraged her because I want to buy her pre weight loss wardrobe on Vinted.

[Carol Vorderman]

Yeah.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

And it was the quickest way I could think thing to do it.

[Deborah Frances White]

Curie Pritchard McLean, I think you've misunderstood

[Deborah Frances-White]

the tone of this bit.

[Deborah Frances White]

Absolutely missed the turn off there. Need to find a services and do a U turn.

[Carol Vorderman]

I'm a feminist, but every time my mum talks about chatgpt like it's a close personal friend, I think to myself, hmm, maybe no vote for you.

[Deborah Frances White]

Oh my God.

[Carol Vorderman]

Votes for everyone except you.

I am a feminist, but. Earlier this year I was being interviewed by a national newspaper and I was in a full on raging anti reform

[Deborah Frances White]

rant

[Carol Vorderman]

and then a lat slip that quite like being called a milf.

[Host/Announcer]

Are we ready to start the show then? Please give it up for Kerry, Bridget McLean, Priya hall and Carol Vardaman, three incredible women you will be seeing a lot more of tonight.

[Deborah Frances White]

I'm Deborah Frances White and this is the Guilty Feminist.

[Host/Announcer]

Just give us a cheer if you

[Deborah Frances White]

listen to the Guilty Feminist Just give us a cheer if you've been to a live show before Just give us a cheer if you don't know what you're at. Yes, lots of people. Has someone brought you along? Give us a cheer if someone's brought you along Give us a cheer if you were just so worried about the election and you saw the word election, you went, we've got to go to that. Give us a cheer if you heard Carol Vorderman was coming to town you went, we've got to have a look. Excellent.

[Host/Announcer]

Wonderful.

[Deborah Frances White]

Great news. All of you are incredibly welcome. We are here to do a Welsh election emergency special under our Road to Gilead project. So the Road to Gilead, you get the idea. I think it's what we're on. You can see what's happening in America with Christian nationalism and far right policies taking over. They're literally talking about taking the vote away from women now in America and not the way Preah hall was jokingly like, actually. And we have seen exposes about how reform is very much in bed with MAGA and the ADF that overturned Roe versus Wade. And we're worried about it. And I just thought, fuck it, we've got the guilty feminists, let's do something about it. And so this is what we're doing. We're doing a series of shows right now before this May election, but all the way up till the next election and potentially beyond, because we're really worried about our country being taken over by the far right. And we believe quite strongly we don't need to let that happen. And we believe very strongly it doesn't have to happen. If we get boots on the ground, if we work to change, won't happen because we won't let it happen. And we're already seeing reform combusting a little bit. Did you see that? There's a new party now that's peeled off completely called Restore. I was thinking maybe I could start like another far right party called Refresh and then one called Reneg and one called Recant and then they'd be in the booth going, I don't know which one of these is my far right. I've got confused. Just an idea, but we'll have lots of ideas tonight. We're going to have a brilliant show for you. I normally do a monologue at the top, but I thought, I really want to hand this over to Welsh voices because, you know, the Senate is not mine, it's yours. So we've got a lot of brilliant Welsh people here tonight. We're going to see some stand up comedy, we're going to hear some incredible music and we are in the second half going to have a Q and A with you. So at the interval, you're going to be able to post questions on some kind of QR code or app that will magically be made available to you. So if you have any questions, please, for Carol, who's an expert on tactical voting and a big political voice, or if you have any questions for Sean and Williams, who's our plied candidate, who's here tonight, or Tessa Marshall, who's our Green candidate here tonight, then get those ready and get ready to send them in because the second half is over to you and we will shout you out. If one of your questions gets read out, we'll say, bronwyn, where are you? So you can shout out and have your moment. But we'll read it out just for time to keep it speeding through so we can answer as many questions as possible. But first. But first, are you ready for some stand up comedy? Are you feeling ready to win this election? Are you feeling keen to keep the far right out of Wales?

[Host/Announcer]

Are you feeling excited?

[Deborah Frances White]

Are you feeling excited to tell Reform UK to fuck the far right off? But please welcome to the stage the

[Host/Announcer]

incredible Kiri Pritchard McLean.

[Carol Vorderman]

Hi, guys. Are we.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Are we well? Are we happy? Good, I'm glad. It's. It's fucking scary times, isn't it? I basically, I messaged Deborah because I saw the amazing shows that she was doing in London and how it was galvanizing people to feel hopeful that maybe that we can make a difference, maybe we can do grassroots stuff. And I said, oh, you know, it's great what you're doing. And she said, would you consider doing one in Wales? And I was like, yeah, absolutely. And she was like, who's the most famous Welsh person you know? And that's why we have the real Queen of Wales, Carol Vorderman on the stage. So I'm really excited to chat to you guys and because it's this weird feeling, you're probably the same, right, where you mix between being like, no, we can do this, and then absolute despair when you see how much money and vitriol is behind those systems. The system seems rigged. But the reason I have hope is because I'm from the island at the top of. Yes, surely you've not got a fucking coach down. Surely you've not spent 14 hours on the trous Cymru and only paid 2 pound for. For it. Fairfax. Well, closer palm. So, yeah, the island of Anglesey at the top of Wales, that's where I'm from. And for a long time we had a Tory called Virginia Crosby. Now, the reason why you should know about Virginia Crosby is two things. Number one, she was the second highest donations to the Tory Party. They really wanted to keep her in that sea. And number two, she is one of the Tories that had a party during lockdown. Yeah, she was one of those. Oh, God, it drove me so mad because when they called her out and said, didn't you have a birthday party that you celebrated during lockdown in Parliament? She said, well, I'd like to make two things clear. There, she said, yes, I did have a birthday party, but I didn't invite anyone. I don't think that's anything to brag about, is it? I've got no morals, but don't worry, I've got no fucking mates either. That's not. Take it to your great Virginia, but there was loads of money being sunk into my constituency and I was. So there'll be a lot of people who, probably my age, sort of geriatric millennials who are used to being absolutely disappointed by every fucking election or vote that goes their way. And I was so, so scared that she was going to get again and I already felt defeated. And then. That isn't what happened. Yeah, the Plyde people knocked on fair fucks. They knocked on 20,000 doors and our constituency only has 60 there. They did it all. They knocked on every fucking door, though. The rest are holiday homes. We won't get into that.

[Carol Vorderman]

Right.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

They knocked on our doors, they showed up and we now have a fantastic. Is absolutely amazing. Right. I'm very lucky that. Yeah, she is. She's amazing. And don't worry, I'm like, I'm not. This sounds like a party political broadcast, but the reason I'm telling you, she wasn't really on my radar. But I'm also local authority foster care carer. And we were doing a sort of like a celebration event, you know, one of those events where they're like, there's a small glass of warm wine and some hard sandwiches. Very sort of council, well done. And she turned up, she was the head of the council and she turned up to shake hands, have a picture with everyone and personally thank all those foster carers of showing up for the children in our community who didn't do that. Our fucking mp. And she turned up and she showed up for our community and it's that stuff that makes a difference.

[Carol Vorderman]

Difference.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

And that's what you're doing by being here tonight. It means you've got hope and you're showing up for your community. So give yourselves a massive round of applause straight away. Have you forgiven me for my weight loss jab joke? I'm hoping I got it back by dropping vinted. I think this is a room that understands the joys of vinted, surely. Yeah, I can sense it. Oh, my God. If you're not familiar with vinted men, it's like cex for leopard print. That's what it is. It's just one pair of M and S barrel leg jeans being passed backwards and forwards in sort of a bartering system. Exclusively between women I genuinely love. It's amazing for me, as I said, because they're all on the jabs now and I'm hoovering up their fucking wardrobes. I've never known anything like it. It's so good. My wardrobe's incredible. Now what I love as well is like you do you whatever you decide to do with your body, right? But I love that the women who are selling their clothes because they've been on the jobs, they can't not mention they can't. They'll be like, beautiful dress, never worn because I've lost too much weight now and it just hangs on me like a parachute caught in a beautiful tree. And I'll offer a fiver for it because I know she's hungry and she'll just fucking take it. This will all be cut out.

[Carol Vorderman]

Do you know what?

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Actually, I'm going to try and gauge what kind of people we have in the room here. This is one of my gauge of people. So you know that the clocks changed recently, didn't they? Give us a cheer. If you are the kind of person like me and you're a closet chaos merchant and you do not, when the clocks change, change the clock in your car. Yes, because you're a busy bitch and you've got time to fuck around with that little button on the dashboard. There's things to do. We've got a reform party to fucking beat. Got time to do that? You will know then some of you. Oh, God. Okay, well, let's find out. The give us a cheer. If you are the other side and you're an absolute fucking nerd. Pathetic. You will never know the joy of when six months later, it comes off, fuck, comes back again. Are you kidding me? Oh. Do you know why I think it hits differently as well? Is that I'm not old by any stretch, but I'm 40 at the end of this year, best case scenario, halfway through. So I just gotta get time back where I can. I really appreciate something that saves time. Not changing the clock in my car is one of them. Here's a great one. This was an accidental one for me. One of the things that massively saved me time is I don't acknowledge my friends, husbands at all, just at all. And what I certainly didn't do is when they got married, change their name to their married name in my phone. No way. Well, let me tell you, I'm 39. They're all getting divorced now. That's my fucking time back, isn't it? You're lovely. We're gonna have a really special, exciting, funny, galvanizing night tonight. It's gonna be amazing. Please welcome back to the stage Deborah Francis White,

[Carol Vorderman]

everybody.

[Deborah Frances White]

That's all right, Stuart. Do you have Kiri's clipboard or could somebody fetch it?

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

It's on this small table. I should have brought it on, but I felt like maybe a bit of a, you know, like a holiday rep if I came on with it.

[Deborah Frances White]

Yeah, well, we're. We're sort of in our era now where what we do is we hire men to do things for us and we basically hire patriarchy to go and get things. I know full well as well as you do that Kiri did that on purpose. And it was to.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

It was an absolute power play, that.

[Deborah Frances White]

It was an absolute power play. And Stuart enjoyed it. Absolutely. Just give us a cheer if you're from Cardiff. Just give us a cheer if you've come from outside Cardiff. Who thinks they've come the furthest? How? Who? Because Charter.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Who's come from higher than Brecon.

[Deborah Frances White]

Higher than Brecon.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

That's how we do it, by National Parks. Anyone nudging into Rory? No. Oh, really? Where have you come from? In the middle. Oh, my God. You know, I love Dorgesay. Great place. My ex boyfriend's mum said it was her favorite place. She went on holiday. Do you know what she said to me? She went, oh, God. Best holiday ever had. Two weeks in Dollargaloo.

[Carol Vorderman]

Dollargaloo.

[Deborah Frances White]

I don't know why that's funny, but I kind of do. I sense why that's funny. Just inflection, isn't it? Interesting cultural differences, but they transcend. Has anyone come as far as Kiri?

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Really?

[Deborah Frances White]

Do you know where Kiri's from? That's a bit concerning.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

They will do.

[Deborah Frances White]

Did you follow her? Where are you from?

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

I'm on a smallne. Are you from up there?

[Host/Announcer]

Really?

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Should have got a fucking lift. Whereabouts? Shangri. Stiola is fucking great, actually.

[Deborah Frances White]

Kiri has done so much to put the show together and she's driving back five hours tonight to be back for an appointment tomorrow. Yes, she has been an absolute star.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Can I tell you this? If you didn't think I was worthy enough, the reason I'm going by Kirilly is because I'm doing some free promotion for a local vegan cafe in North Wales. What a cunt. Scott and I left as late as I could because I was with my foster child earlier. So there we go. Park and hell. What an outrageous twat I am.

[Deborah Frances White]

No, if she has to pop out at the interval to save a rainforest. But I just wanted to say that. I also wanted to say, is Claire Gibson in the house? Give us a cheer. Claire did all the PR for free and she contacted me and said, we really need something in Wales. I said, kiri. I said, kiri, we need to do something in Wales. Kiri said, we've tried all the theatres. This was the one that was free and really willing and excited to have us. Then loads of people said, this isn't North Wales. We said, we know, but we're so glad for everyone who traveled to it because we know Wales is a large place and we really appreciate you coming, we really, really do, because we need boots on the ground all over Wales to win this and we must win it. So thank you for coming. This is also going to be a podcast, so if you do a laugh, you will hear it later when you listen. And that podcast you can share with everyone. So even people who couldn't come tonight, you can send them this podcast when it comes out and get everybody listening. But now we must move on because I am thrilled to announce our guest. An icon of British television, a journalist, a campaigner, a broadcaster, a really increasingly important political voice, as well as using her incredible mathematical skills to understand and teach us how to understand tactical voting. She is also someone who. I've never had a guest like this before on a show. Normally you booked a guest, they say, yeah, I'll come along. She keeps messaging me, how are we doing for ticket sales? Send me a video so I can share collabs. Don't do as well on the numbers. She's very good on numbers. I mean, I can't give. But she cares. She really cares about this. She wants to do this. Not because it's an appearance on a stage, not because it sort of looks good. She cares about how many people were in tonight. A lot of you are probably here because of her. So please, and I just say that with all sincerity of how many people have put this show together tonight. Thank you so much to everyone who's put it together and come. And now I have to just say I'm so excited about this because I've always wanted to do a show with her. Put your hands together and make incredible woohooing noises. Break laws if necessary.

[Host/Announcer]

For Carol Voldemort.

[Carol Vorderman]

I am so looking forward to this.

Oh, my God.

Am I allowed to swear?

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

No, this is a clean show. Carol, please don't lower the tone.

[Deborah Frances White]

No, we broadcast this on the Internet and the Internet's never heard Swearing. So lovely to be here.

[Carol Vorderman]

Thank you so much for coming along tonight.

It's very, very, very important what happens on May 7. Very important for our beautiful country, I have to say.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Well, yeah, our beautiful country. Because you're from North Wales like me.

[Carol Vorderman]

I am, I'm a gog.

So I just, just want to tell the tale, really. So I was born in 1960, so I'm 65 now. And I have lived through, obviously many, many governments and seen how the UK

has changed in that time.

And that is why I am so riled up about the far right trying to take away all the good fucking

things that have been fought for, for decades.

And that's why I do it. I don't have to do it, don't need to do it. But I am so furious that they

are getting away with what they're getting away with.

So just say, right, 1960, Mr. Vorderman.

My father was an immigrant, funnily enough, he was Dutch.

He'd fought in the Dutch Resistance.

He came over after the war. They got divorced when I was, well

separated when I was 2 weeks old

and my mum went back home to Pratin in North Wales, lovely charity shops where she had three young children to bring up by herself.

And that was in the days in the 60s when there were no laws to force a father to pay maintenance. And I say this because it's important that we understand how far we've come, because if reform get in anywhere and they only want to win in Wales because they want to show off and

eventually get the UK government position in Westminster, they don't give a damn about Cynri, not at all.

But those were the days. That's what people have fought for very hard, politicians and women alike. And now obviously, as we know, that men have to pay maintenance. Then I went to a little Catholic

school in Rhea Scottmayer and we were all dirt poor.

I grew up in abject poverty and then my mum married another immigrant, my stepfather, Mr. Rizzi, who had been on

the other side in Second World War.

He was one of the Italian prisoners of war who came over to Wales,

which many of you will know, like the Sidolis and all the rest of

them, and then stayed. So he was first language Italian, second language cumraeg, third language seisneg, favorite language swearing.

And I loved him. And I then moved to Denby and

still carried on going to school. So I was a free school meals kid all my life in a comp

and my maths teacher is now in the 70s, was a Welsh nationalist Mr. Palmer Parry and I adored him. He was the best maths teacher ever in the world.

And he used to go out, this is in the time before there was the Welsh language on road signs. And Mr. Parry used to go out with his wife at night and spray out the road signs in green paint.

And then he'd come into school and he'd go, all right, you know, two plus two and calculus and all of that.

And then occasionally Mr. Parry would have to have a day off because he'd be up in front of the magistrate. But I talk about it because it's important.

Back then there were no Welsh language schools.

Now, what an uprising of language we have. It's fantastic. And it's thanks to those people who cared, thanks to those people who could have lost their jobs because of what they were doing. And we have to remember that that is where we sit. We sit and stand on the shoulders of those giants and. And we must not let it go back because of some posh twats in England who want to take this country backwards. That is what I think, Carol. And now I want to give you the evidence.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Yes, she's got receipts.

[Deborah Frances White]

Tell us about reform. Tell us.

[Carol Vorderman]

Yes, well, I want to talk about what is reform. Most political parties are non profit and,

you know, we know how they run.

They have memberships and memberships have different

rules and regulations and so on. Not reform.

Reform is a corrupted and sinister. And I say sinister in capital letters and you will see by the end of this why I say sinister, divisive. We know that political party with the majority of their key members being Tories. They are Tories 2.0 who just want to carry on having a job, basically, and keeping the power to carry on doing what Tories do. But reform is far, far more sinister

than the Tories ever were. And I will prove it to you.

So I want to start, if I may, with a little video of Nigel Farage. Now, I call him Farage.

[Deborah Frances White]

Why do you call him Farage, Carol?

[Carol Vorderman]

Because it winds the far right up.

I've been on shoes, you know, when

I'm going, yeah, Nigel Farage. And then there'd be some right winger, you know, the Jeremy vine going, farage, Farage.

Farage. Could you say sausage,

Nigel Farage? Anything to wind him up.

They're such snowflakes, honestly, they really are. This is just a little intro to what Nigel Farage really thinks about the

Senedd and what he really thinks about Wales.

[Fact Checker/Interjector]

And our simple proposal for this campaign is we want to get rid of those 60 assembly members believing them to be a totally unnecessary extra layer of politicians.

[Carol Vorderman]

Reform are not your friends. So obviously he didn't believe in the

Senate to start with.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

But he's very interested in it now, though, isn't he, Carol?

[Deborah Frances White]

He wants to win it, but he doesn't even think it should exist.

[Deborah Frances-White]

Or at least historically, he has not thought it should exist. It's fascinating.

[Carol Vorderman]

He's just awful, isn't he? Let's be honest, he really, really is awful. And he's surrounded by even more awful people. If. If such a thing was possible.

The far right win when there is

hopelessness, when people feel as though the system is not working for them.

And the system of democracy that we

have in the UK is dire.

We've just had the Tories 14 years and over. What was it, three years? How many prime ministers did we have? Five.

Five prime ministers.

I lose track now.

Way too many.

[Deborah Frances White]

Some of them didn't ask what we

[Deborah Frances-White]

were saying in the dressing room. But Liz Truss didn't last as long as one of my menstrual cycles.

[Deborah Frances White]

So shocking, so shocking. It's just. And now she's Trump's best friend, although she thinks she is.

[Carol Vorderman]

She's not really. Honestly, make it stop. That's what I'm trying to do. I've lived in Bristol now, by the way, and I've lived in Bristol for many years. And led by donkeys. Does anyone follow? Led by donkeys. They're amazing, aren't they? And the boys are based in Bristol, so I know the man. Did you see when she was on stage and they let down the slide thing with the lettuce. I know the man who did that. That really is a claim to fame.

[Deborah Frances White]

And he's here tonight, but you realize

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

he's at a dinner party somewhere going, I know Carol Vorderman, you know, he

[Carol Vorderman]

is secretive meetings, not so secretive now, but we do. I absolutely adore them. But Bristol, as we know, is very much of the Republic. We know this, don't we? I have a Green mp, by the way, Carla Denier.

[Deborah Frances White]

So, yeah, my MP is Keir Starmer.

[Carol Vorderman]

Really? Is he your mp? Ok.

I was greeted with silence.

[Deborah Frances White]

Well, it did make a face.

[Carol Vorderman]

I want to tell you a little bit about people who you may not

have seen who are associated very strongly with reform.

Right. The fraudster who is Faraday's right hand man. Can you see him on the right hand side?

The young lad there?

His name is George Cottrell. Have you ever heard of him?

No, not really. Some people have.

Well, they say that he's never more than five yards from Nigel Farage calls him.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Oh, more than five yards away. Made me think of like a rat in London,

[Carol Vorderman]

Probably.

Nigel Farage says about little George that

he's like a son to me.

And so George Cotterell is very important to Farage. He's young and lo and behold, he

went to jail for fraud in America a number of years ago and spent eight months in jail over there. And he is obviously private school, from

an exceptionally wealthy family, has dealings in

Montenegro and bragged to Tatler magazine that he'd placed a poker bet for $53 million and lost.

That's the kind of people who really

care about what someone in Merthyr is doing.

They really do care.

They really do.

That's what they're trying to convince you of. Ah, yes. Do you remember him? James McMurdoc? So he was elected into a constituency in the southeast of England in the 2024 election. He was one of the five Reform

MPs who was elected.

And then it was discovered by investigative journalists that he'd actually previously, when he was 19 years old, been sent to jail for kicking in the head of

his girlfriend, who was on the floor at the time. He was arrested and convicted and spent

time for doing that. He kicked her four times. And he said.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

He had a great defense, though, didn't he, Carol?

[Carol Vorderman]

He had to get. He said it was a teenage indiscretion.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

We've all done it, haven't we?

[Carol Vorderman]

How many people do you know have done that?

Literally? These are the people who Reform is

not what the Daily Mail is telling you they are.

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[Carol Vorderman]

So let's have another little look here. Oh, Richard Tice. I could do half an hour on him.

Oh, my Lord. Him and his girlfriend, Isabel Oakshott. Good grief.

That's the one who had to flee to Dubai because Labour had put 20% tax on private school fees and she couldn't cope, so she went to the zero tax haven of Dubai to live in. How many kids has she got?

Yeah, I don't know. Thousands.

And he now splits his time between skegness and duplicates.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

I don't imagine that's a 5050 split, is it?

Oh, dear.

[Carol Vorderman]

Yeah, if you believe that, honestly.

Anyway, so Richard Tice, a few weeks

ago, if you read the Sunday Times, a brilliant journalist, Gabriel Pogrand, found that

Tice, through a very complex and deliberate tax structure, with a lot of the companies being offshore, had avoided, which is not illegal, paying £600,000 in tax.

He's the deputy leader of the Reform

Party, and then today they've discovered that this particular company, which had paid him all these dividends through the complex tax structure, has. Now we've got another slide with that. This is today's headline. That they had failed to pay 120,000 pounds in tax and broken the law by failing.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

So this isn't even avoiding it. This is also not paying the very little that they would do to pay.

[Carol Vorderman]

Correct. This was the company. So this is where we're at. Okay, who else have we got here?

[Fact Checker/Interjector]

Oh, this is the single most resilient and bravest person I have ever met in my life.

[Carol Vorderman]

Wu Tang nigga, crash your crew.

[Interjector]

Black back shoe. You bastard shoe.

[Carol Vorderman]

Pastor Slap an answer to now, Carol.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

He says he's the single most resilient, bravest person that he's ever met. You regularly host the Pride of Britain Awards. Is Donald Trump likely to get one anytime soon?

[Carol Vorderman]

Well, he's going to get a Pride of Peace award, I think, from FIFA.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

That's good of them.

[Carol Vorderman]

FIFA, yeah. Oh, my goodness.

Farage has been over to America more times than he's been to Clacton Fact

since he became an mp, and he

does follow this Trump playbook. So if Trump says it on a

Monday, he says it on a Tuesday. You know, this whole thing about ice. We're going to have ice over here arresting people who aren't white.

Basically what he also says, everything's fake news. You know, you see it in some of the clips that I'll play. He just attacks journalists all the time because he doesn't have an answer. The man will lie, lie, lie and lie again. He lies as easily as he breathes, just like Trump. And I'm saying all of this because

I want you to, when you leave

this theatre to tell other people so

that they do not vote for anything to do with reform in Wales.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

I think that's a great point, because there are people in my life that are sympathetic to reform but very anti. Well, they're thick as shit, Carol, that's why. But I just. I looked at the list that reform and put up in my super constituency now, and number six on the reform list is actually, well, A number, let's keep it vague, is a guy that I used to work with and I saw him once eat a bar of soap recreationally. Like, he's, these are not sharp minds,

[Carol Vorderman]

he's thick as fuck.

[Deborah Frances White]

But also there are people who you. What you said before, Carol's are really important that the far right play on hopelessness. So if people have felt disenfranchised, left behind by the political system, think there's two parties and neither of them have ever done anything for me. I've been left out. There will be people in your family, there'll be people in your wider Network, on your WhatsApp groups who are like, well, surely this is at least a big red button I can push to say I want something else. And I feel like that is a. A valid response to feeling very, very, very disenfranchised. So if there are people in your life who are thinking, well, maybe, you know, Nigel Farage says he does care about us. He says it's going to be different.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

And he's anti establishment.

[Deborah Frances White]

And he's anti establishment. Exactly. He's like, I just like a pint down the pub, like the next guy. I'm just normal, just like you. I'm just friends with Donald Trump, who has a golden loo, just like you, just totally normal guy. I just, I just get donations from offshore billionaires, a lot of them foreigners, for millions and millions, just like you. He is presenting something to some people who felt left out. So these are really interesting things to show them. Is it okay, Carol, if people, if they see a slide they, like, they could take a picture of that slide just so that later you can look that, Google that up and then send it to somebody and say, this is what worries me. I think if you just send in a whole heap of stuff like they're really shit to someone who likes them, it's not going to work. But if you say, does this worry you? Because I looked at this and I wasn't sure about this guy. He seems like, not on our side. It can help with a family member who might be, you know, Trump is

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

a weak point because lots of people I know, my mother's very pro, form pro, and our Farage, always has been, hates Trump. And if I can keep pointing out that they are working together, that he looks up to him, that copies him, then I'm hoping the penny will drop. But just to make it clear that the guy on the list that I know is still thick as fuck, I

[Carol Vorderman]

just want to forget Nadim Zahar, which, remember, he was the Tory Chancellor who, while Chancellor, was arguing with HMRC about 5 million people pound tax bill that he hadn't paid while he was in charge of the tax service, and then said it was a smear campaign against him. And then when it was found that all of this had actually happened, because

Dan Needle, the tax lawyer, who you'll see quoted in various things, he and I worked quite closely in getting the story out. I lost another job because of that. But anyway, sacked so many times on this.

[Host/Announcer]

But we laugh that. No,

[Carol Vorderman]

because I'm a gobby gobshite from Golif.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

But you should. Like, there shouldn't be a price to integrity. Well, no.

[Carol Vorderman]

Well, sadly there is. But anyway.

So Nadeem Zahawi, guess which party he's in now.

Yes, you guessed it. Reform. Yet another dodgy Booker.

Right, so they lie. They lie, they lie, they lie, they lie again. So when you're talking about hopelessness, he's going to say, you're paying too much tax. We're paying too much tax. We're going to cut tax. And that's what you'll see on Reform leaflets, on all the council leaflets that went out last year. So let's have a little look. Do they cut tax?

[Fact Checker/Interjector]

First point. Never once did I say we cut council tax. Never once. Never once. You got to cut taxes. Cut taxes, lower taxes. We will cut taxes. We can do better for council taxpayers.

[Deborah Frances White]

Several of them said that.

[Fact Checker/Interjector]

Not true. No, it's not true.

[Interjector]

Warwickshire Reform Party leaflet said, we will cut your taxes. The Worcestershire Party leaflet said, we will reduce waste and cut your taxes. That sounds like promises to cut taxes.

[Fact Checker/Interjector]

We will cut taxes. Taxes. We will cut taxes.

[Deborah Frances White]

They all wanted to cut council tax. Lots of them are happening.

[Fact Checker/Interjector]

No, not true, not true, not true, not true.

[Interjector]

At the local level, which is where, indeed, local elections take place. The leaflet said, we will cut your taxes.

[Fact Checker/Interjector]

When I say something, I keep my word. Urban myth.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Just like Trump.

[Carol Vorderman]

Yeah, I never said that.

I never said that. I never said that.

I can't do Trump.

Can you do Trump? I can't do it. A Trump impression.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Can you do it? Go on, Deborah, go on over.

[Deborah Frances White]

Oh, me. I can't talk.

[Carol Vorderman]

I can't do.

[Deborah Frances White]

He does that. He's like. He's playing an invisible accordion all the time. He really is shady.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Bounces

[Deborah Frances-White]

opposite.

[Carol Vorderman]

Yeah, so.

And Farage is exactly the same, by the way. Reform are not your friends. Does anyone follow them on?

Oh, it's great.

They're brilliant, aren't they?

They are fantastic. I won't tell you who they are, but they are amazing.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Carol, do you know who the Stig is?

[Carol Vorderman]

And independent.

[Marad]

Huh?

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Do you know who the Stig is? You seem to know who everyone else is.

[Carol Vorderman]

I can't reveal my stigma.

[Deborah Frances White]

Are they in tonight? They were cheering us on on Instagram. Is anyone in from former. Not your friends. Give us a cheer. No, but they can't because they're anonymous. Yeah, but I bet they are here.

[Carol Vorderman]

They're like the Banksy of politics. That's who they are.

They're brilliant.

If you don't follow them, please do, because they'll come up with. Oh, my goodness, everything.

Absolutely everything. They're on Facebook as well. Anyway, let us continue. What have we got here?

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Oh, yeah.

[Carol Vorderman]

Do you remember this? Did you see this? They held a competition. This is last week, they said. And all you have to do, this is a way of collecting data. By the way, they say, enter this competition, give us all your name and your address and your details, and we're going to pay your energy bills for a whole year. Nigel's going to pay it for your whole street as well. And lo and behold, surprise, surprise, little Bobby Jen. Prick. And Nigel went to. Went to this house in Wigan. Oh, my God, what a shock it was to find out that he'd known

them for years and they're staunch members of the Reform Party. So now

the police are reviewing the whole competition. This is like tiny.

This is tiny stuff that they lie

about, but it is literally everything. Yes. As we know. He, you know. Do you remember the days before the last election where we were shouting at Tories for having more than one job?

Do you remember that?

It seems to have faded from memory now. Faded from the Daily Mail, faded from the Daily Express. This man is never in Parliament. Just like when he was a Member of the European Parliament. Out of a list of 780, he was like, 750, 41st in terms of turning up, he just. Oh, and he's going to get a 75,000 pound pension from the European Parliament, even though he hates them.

Yeah.

That's the kind of man that we're talking about. He's an absolute disgrace. Clacton. I don't know if he knows he's the Member of Parliament. He's never there.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

No, not at all.

[Carol Vorderman]

He has not held a surgery to speak to any of his voters in

Clacton since the election. Nothing. Literally not been there.

And when he was challenged about it, he said, well, the speaker said. The speaker said, I couldn't hold it because of my Security. I needed security. And the speaker advised. Speaker of the House advised me that

I shouldn't hold a surgery because not

[Deborah Frances White]

to go to his constituency because of his security. We had Zach Polanski on the show recently and he said, oh, I went to Clacton to meet people and just see what were their concerns. And I thought, well, it's nice that they had a visit from one party leader.

[Carol Vorderman]

Exactly.

Because then after he said this about security, a journalist obviously went and asked the speaker of the House, did you tell him that? And they went, no, no, I didn't. You see, it's just lie after lie after lie after lie. So. But they do convince people to vote

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

for them because the lie catches the headlines, but the debunking of it doesn't always, because these we've got, you know, a lot of our papers are owned by people with a vested interest in people like Nigel Farage having power. So it's really unfortunate that he can kind of push out what he likes into the ether.

[Carol Vorderman]

Yes.

When he has two television stations, GB News and the BBC. Did you see the other week?

Oh, my God, I was fuming.

Question Time and that. Oh, I'm just like a geezer. Thomas Skinner was on. Do you see him? Does anyone watch Question Time?

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

No.

[Carol Vorderman]

Oh, this, like, he was in Clacton. I'm just a geezer. I'm like, I'll get up. You know, I try. I work hard for my kids and, you know, that's what. And they're all cheering because he's a normal guy. And then Fiona Bruce said to him, so, oh, yeah, you know, oh, you're amazing. And which leader would you support, you know, in the next election? He said, well, I think Nigel Farage is all right, you know, I think he's a good man. He's this, that and the other. This is Question Time. That guy. Thomas Skinner has been a staunch member

of reform for a very long time.

He was also convicted a number of years ago. There's always some conviction somewhere down the line of handling £40,000 worth of stolen goods, including a lot of pharmaceuticals. So they knew that. They knew he was a member of reform. There are photographs in the newspaper of

him hugging Nigel Farage.

Farage. And yet she said that.

[Deborah Frances White]

I don't know why the BBC want to support him because he would dismantle the BBC.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

He just hates to get rid of it.

[Deborah Frances-White]

How are they funded?

[Carol Vorderman]

Can you talk us through? Well, they're funded, but the people who vote. And these are your nines. The Mamgis of This world, people like me, oldies 65 plus. This is how it went after Brexit. It sort of stays the same, similar sort of pattern. Youngsters vote Green generally. This obviously is the Remain and the Leave. You can see that it was the oldies who voted Leave. And this is something that I really, really want to talk to you and I'll come back to it.

I'm sorry, I can take forever.

I really must apologise. You have to get out and vote. When we had this vote for Leave or remain, the referendum, 72% was a high turnout, voted the Leave vote. We left the European Union. Everything that's bloody followed since then, right? The drop in the gdp, it's just a disaster. And it won by one and a quarter million votes. Twelve and a half million people didn't vote. And it's the same, you see over in America. 77 million voted for Trump, 75 million voted for Kamala Harris. 90 million people did not vote. And we're all suffering because of it. And that is the key thing that I want you to take away tonight, is that not just you, you will all vote because you're politically aware, but you have to persuade everyone in your household to vote, except if they're going to vote reform. You know, if it's your nine, we

say nine up in the North.

If it's your nine, and she says, oh, yes, you say, I'll give you

lift nine, I can't pick you up until seven o'.

[Host/Announcer]

Clock.

[Carol Vorderman]

Then you don't go, basically.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

And that's official tactical voting advice from Carol Vorderman. Carol Vorderman's a feminist, but she would nine at home.

[Deborah Frances White]

She would leave her gram waiting by the gate till midnight if it meant a vote lost for reform. You heard it here first. If you are in fact a Daily Mail journalist, she's just given you a headline.

[Carol Vorderman]

I definitely would. Anyway, my mum was a Lib Dem, so that's different.

But

I love the Lib Dems.

The reform is a classic case of reverse Robin Hood. They want to rob the poor and

give to the super rich.

And I'm going to prove that to you. So this is something he would do. He says he'd leave the European Convention on Human Rights. We all know what that stands for. It was put into place after the Second World War to protect us against fascism. They would do that. Oh, there's another Tory, Suella Braverman. She would repeal the Equality Act.

So stuff you girls.

All of your wages are going to go down. Compared to men, everything that women have Fought for since I was born. And beforehand, all of that is going to be repealed. All your gay friends, she doesn't like them. Okay, so these are the very serious issues. They don't care about Wales. They can't repeal it in Wales. But what they want from Wales is this sort of. Yes, we are leading. We are leading, but they aren't. We'll come on to that. So. Oh, are they the Tories? Well, let's have a look. There we have Braverman, Danny Kruger, horrible man. Lee Anderson, who was Labour then he

was Tory and now it's reformed, Bless him, he can't make his mind up.

Farid, who was Tory. Richard Tice was Tory donor. Sarah Poachin was a Tory mp. I think that's Rossendale, Tory mp.

And Robert Jemprick, obviously, we know as

Tory, they are Tories. You have to get that message out too. But they are the very worst of them.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

I think it's another really great talking point with people who might be considering voting reform because they want a change to then make it clear that they are voting for the Conservatives.

[Deborah Frances White]

Well, they are.

[Carol Vorderman]

And in Wales, of their first and second candidates, if you. I'm sure you'll be talking later to the applied and Green candidates, first and second candidates, obviously the ones most likely to get through on the. On the percentage vote, two thirds of them in Wales are Tories. You're voting Tory. You know, it's ridiculous, but the papers and the media need to say so.

Right, where are we?

Oh, right, here's another man of the people. Because they all sell themselves, don't they?

They're none other people.

This is their treasurer who, by the way, was involved in the party Gate party with sexist Sean Bailey, who was the mayoral candidate for London, where the girl was dancing in the red skirt, I think she had, and all of that. Nick Candy was at that party. He was a Tory donor at that point. Now he's a treasurer and donor for reform. He's a man of the people. He's the one married to Holly Valance and he was a supporter of Liz Truss.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Holly Valance has really let herself down there. She could have had a lovely little career doing the gay clubs forever doing Kiss, Kiss. And she's fucked it.

[Carol Vorderman]

And he's just showing up. 270 million quid. Yes, he really cares what's going on in Abbevale, as we know. Where do they get their money from? This guy is called Ben Dilo or Dello. He lives in Hong Kong, involved in a crypto firm and was then charged with money laundering in America. Eventually had to pay, I believe, with reports, $100 million fine, or the company did. And he's saying he's going to come

back to Britain to give more than 4 million to reform because now they've

[Deborah Frances White]

made that law that you can't just have billionaires offshore giving money for good reason. Have you ever given anyone 4 million quid and wanted nothing in return? Because I haven't. I feel if. I feel if I was living in Hong Kong and I gave a political party and said, here's 4 million quid, become leader, I would want some policy delivered to my door in Hong Kong. And that's what they're doing. They're buying policy, but not for people who live here, who have ordinary lives and ordinary bills to pay. They're buying policy for people who don't even live here, who are richer than God. It's so disgraceful. And he's like, this man is so patriotic. He said, I'll even come back and step foot in the United Kingdom if it means I can buy the government. Fuck off back to Hong Kong, mate. Fuck the fuck off back to your tax havens.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Well, that's the only time it's okay to tell someone to fuck off back to another country.

[Carol Vorderman]

Just.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Yes, we're a nation of sanctuary. Actually, Deborah,

[Deborah Frances White]

I'm just saying, go back to where you've come from.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

I'm just saying what a sleeper agent you've been all these years, Deborah. Send them back. Frances White.

[Deborah Frances White]

Listen, I say refugees welcome, but tax haven cunt. Stay where you are.

[Carol Vorderman]

Yes.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Preach.

[Carol Vorderman]

Yes.

A lot of journalists are calling reform the money launderer's dream. For good reason. Billionaires, tax avoiding, media organizations, the wife

of the owner of the Daily Mail,

Viscount Brothermere, who also came, cares about

what's going on in the Valleys.

Obviously not.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Carol.

[Deborah Frances White]

Our wonderful tour manager, Stuart, sorry to interrupt. Has told me we've got four minutes to get through the rest of the slides. Can we do a speed round?

[Carol Vorderman]

She's given.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Shouldn't have done all your racist shit. We'd have got through it.

[Carol Vorderman]

All right, so there are no. Oh, this is the article I was

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

telling you about milf. They were out.

[Carol Vorderman]

Nigel Farage is a liar and a

[Deborah Frances White]

grifter, but I'm embracing my Milfura. Yeah, I love that article.

[Fact Checker/Interjector]

I wanted to come, but I heard that half the guests were Welsh and I don't know. Who knows what would have happened with all those foreign speakers there. I don't know.

[Carol Vorderman]

Anyways, yeah, and he Said, I think you can tell me, Kiri. He said he would repeal a lot of the Welsh language. Yes.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

So one of the. You know, we have the target of a million speakers reform wanted to scrap that as well. Cock Oyne is the phrase for that emotion. It means lamb's cock.

[Carol Vorderman]

As we know, the Senate has passed a new law stopping politicians from lying. It was only the Reform member who said, oh, hang on, this is the thing. We have hope. I believe that we have hope. We have hope in the West. The French last month voted. A lot of socialist mayors in Hungary has been voting today. Very important when we watch the news later, against the disgusting Viktor Orban. And apparently almost a third of those who could vote have voted by 8

o' clock this morning.

You need a high turnout and you need to vote tactically in a general election, certainly. So here you can see. Recently, the Greens beat reform because that was a tactical vote. Here, the Lib Dems did the same tactical vote. Stop Reform UK vote. I'm a big part of that. We used to be called Stop the Tories. Stop Vote. And between us and another tactical voting website for the 2024 election, 6 million

people typed their postcode in.

They gifted Starmer with a huge but

shallow majority and he's fucked it.

[Deborah Frances White]

Stop Reform UK vote.

[Carol Vorderman]

Here we go. Write that down. Well done, Wales. In spite of the national newspaper saying,

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

reform for the win.

[Carol Vorderman]

Reform are going to win. Reform are going to beat everyone. No, they did not.

Thank you very much.

Don't we love her, Hannah Spencer. I always stay up all night. On election night, I stayed up for that.

I cried when she gave that speech.

What an incredible young woman.

Who'd have thought. Who'd have thought that a female plumber

who rescues greyhounds could piss off the

far right with all their money as much as she does? I absolutely adore her.

Whoever did this.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Do you know what? I love that picture so much. I really feel sorry for that guy who's just wandered by at the wrong bit next to some.

[Deborah Frances White]

He's got his coffee.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

Just got his coffee.

[Deborah Frances White]

How do you say that in Welsh? Now you can fuck off home. Thank you.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

We're different. Some are ruans, some are naurs. Don't get that fucking going north, south.

[Carol Vorderman]

Diabolical lies that there was family voting

because they were cheesed off that Hannah had won so beautifully, which manages to

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

be both racist and misogynistic as well, which is a real one too.

[Carol Vorderman]

How can they do that?

[Deborah Frances White]

That's what they do if they don't win. They cast suspicion over the democratic process. That's what Trump does if he doesn't win. He says that he cheated, but this

[Carol Vorderman]

is the important stuff. We have hope because Reform are going

down in the polls.

They were polling around about 33% last

year, so they formed their shadow cabinet

and they even have, you know where the members of the cabinet have the

red boxes, you know where they hold it up, the Chancellor and everything. They had them made in light blue leather.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

That is so camp. Just did it for the accessories. I love that.

[Carol Vorderman]

Hilarious.

They are going down in the polls.

That was a poll last week by Lord Ashcroft, who's actually a Tory, showing that down from 33%. Here we've got two or three days ago. Kent. Come on, Kent. Kent Council is Reform's showpiece council. They brag about Kent council. I think 10 of the reform councillors have already jumped ship.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

And if you know anything about Kent, you'll know it's from famously left wing and Liberal.

[Carol Vorderman]

Love the Greens and this was really important. It was a by election in this council ward because the Reform councillor had been sent to jail for 12 months for coercive control of his wife. Nice, nice, nice. That is a huge people in Reform. And look at that. That is fabulous. Congratulations to the Greens.

And here we go.

I'm going to end on that because that is what is happening now. And what is going to happen in Wales is the eyes are on Wales. So please, please, please make sure you get everyone you know to register to vote. It's not too late. And to vote they rely on. The far right wins when people don't turn out. When you get a 35% or 40% turnout, they lose. That's just a fact. When it's 25% turnout, they win. And please take home that message because you can determine what happens in this

beautiful country of ours.

[Deborah Frances White]

That was incredible. We will talk more about tactical voting, boots on the ground, how to win it here in Wales. After the interval, you'll have Carol back and you'll have the Pride candidate and you'll have the Green candidate. You can ask questions, but to close our first half, we've got some beautiful rousing music. We know how to rouse a rabble in at the Guilty feminist. So please welcome to the stage the incredible marad.

[Marad]

Thank you so much. I'm so honored to be here. I'm married, I'm a singer songwriter based here in Cardiff and I'm very excited to be here tonight to stand up

[Carol Vorderman]

for the future of Wales. Yes, come on, comedy.

[Marad]

I've decided to Sing a union song, which was made the union song by the Women's Liberation Collective in Boston in the 1960s. But if you've ever watched the film Pride, you will be very familiar with this song. Pride is a Welsh story and a queer story, and it's a prime example of two communities standing with each other and changing the world. So if you know the song, I think the lyrics to the third verse will show up on the screen. So if you know the tune by then, please sing along. This is bread and roses.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

As we come marching, marching in the beauty of the day A million darkens kitchens A thousand menloved's gray heart Touched with all the radiance that a sudden sun discloses for the people here are singing Bread and roses Bread and roses. As we come marching, marching we battle two foemen for they are waving children and we mother them again Our life shall not be sweated from birth until life closes Hearts thumb as well as bodies Give us more bread but give us ro. As we come marching, marching we bring the greatest days for the rising of the women Means the rising of the race no more the drudge and idler Tender toil where one reposes but the sharing of life's glories Bread and roses Bread and roses Bread and roses Bread and roll.

[Carol Vorderman]

Thank you.

[Marad]

Now, I actually have a confession to make. I'm a musician and a feminist, but I cannot play the Welsh national anthem on the piano. So because we're Welsh and we all love a sing song, I thought we could all sing the national anthem. Acapella without piano to end the first half.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

If I'm okay with you, Deborah's gonna take the lead on that.

[Deborah Frances White]

I certainly can. I'm all about an acapella Welsh national anthem. If you can. If you're able to stand.

[Carol Vorderman]

We all know the words.

[Marad]

Okay, we'll do it in this key.

[Kiri Pritchard McLean]

My headlong one and two. My headlad. Sam Sa, Jennifer for Murat.

[Carol Vorderman]

Kira McLean.

[Host/Announcer]

Carol Vorderman. And you've got socks. Go and have a quick interval and we'll be back in the second half. Thank you so much.

[Deborah Frances White]

You've been amazing.

[Carol Vorderman]

Thank you.

[Deborah Frances White]

So that was the first half.

[Deborah Frances-White]

Join us for part two, which should be in your feedback right now.

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