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Welcome to the Hillsdale College Online Courses Podcast. I'm Jeremiah Regan.
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And I'm Juan Davalos. We're back with the Great American Story, A Land of Hope. We're going to be covering lectures 5 and 6. Today, the experiment begins.
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That's right. So in our last lecture, we learned that America had won the Revolutionary War. It had established a new nation, and now it needed to go about the business of governing itself.
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That's a part that we typically forget because we focus so much on the Revolutionary War and how great America, the idea of America is, and the beauty of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Those are incredible documents. The beauty of the American political thought as expressed in the Federalist Papers. But then we forget that we actually have to put that into practice. Very difficult. And that's what Americans start to do in this time period. And that's complicated. It takes a lot of prudence.
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Yeah. The difficulty wasn't a surprise to the founders. They knew that governing themselves would be difficult. All governing is difficult. And when you diffuse power among the people and require the people to think about the laws of nature and nature's God as the standard. That's a good theory. It does work in practice, as our history has shown.
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But it doesn't mean it's easy. It means people need to figure out how to interpret the laws of nature and nature's God. They need to think about contentious issues and issues of justice and issues of prudence, what is right by nature, and then what is going to be most likely to affect our safety and happiness. And so these are the types of questions that the founders had to wrestle with.
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This is a beautiful course, and it's appropriate for us to be looking at the history of America as a land of hope as we are getting ready to celebrate America's 250th anniversary here shortly, at least at the time of this recording. And it's a bit of a long course because it covers so much of American history, but it's definitely worth it. And we encourage you to take advantage of our study guides. If you go to Hillsdale. Edu Course. That's Hillsdale. Edu Course. There's a lot of resources in the course, not just our study guides, but additional videos that you can watch, additional readings from American history that you can look at. So we encourage you to go to Hillsdale. Edu Course.
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That's right. We're always pleased to have you listen to the podcast. But as Juan said, this is a long, beautiful, but very involved and complicated course. So really take advantage of the learning that we offer. Now we turn to Dr. Maclay for lectures five and six of the great American story, Land of hope. The experiment begins part one and part two.
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Now, you may remember from last time that I closed with a kind of ode to the United States constitution and talked about the way in which, unlike other constitutions, it is almost identified with American history. It is a part of us, an expression of us. But I caution at the very end that it was in certain respects, conceived as flawed. And I had in mind its inability to deal with the question of slavery, which was becoming a more and more entrenched institution in American life. It in some ways kicked the can down the road to our subsequent disfavor. But let me talk a little bit about slavery. Slavery is ubiquitous in human history. It's not peculiar to American history. It's almost the rule rather than the exception in the overwhelming bulk of human history. It's been underwritten and supported, at least for a time, by all the great religions of the world. The important thing to know about from the start about the British colonies is it was never intended to be any part of a sort of master plan for the colonies for the development of English colonization. Of course, as we saw, there was no master plan, so there wouldn't be a master plan for it to been part of. But in many ways, it arose in an incidental way, in tandem with a more consciously thought out labor system called indentured servitude. This was an important but brutal institution, important in that it supplied a way that poor Europeans who were willing to make the passage to America and contribute their labor to the development of the colonies could have their passage paid for by their employers in exchange. Exchange for a period of contractual servitude to that master. And then they would be freed, and then they would be able to pursue their lives as free men. It's estimated that as many as half of the white male immigrants to the Chesapeake area were indentured servants originally. It may well be, we don't know this for sure, that the first black Africans who arrived in Jamestown in 1619 aboard a Dutch ship came as indentured servants rather than as slaves. What we do know is that over time, the African population grew very slowly in the Chesapeake area, and that the first Africans experienced conditions fairly similar to the whites. But as time went on, the 1650s or so, as their numbers increased slowly, there were practices of discrimination against them because of their race that began to be imposed and hardened until by the 1660s, these were laws Slave codes kept by or passed by colonial assemblies, which dictated that Africans and their offspring were to be held in permanent bondage. That is, they were to be chattel, human legal property of their owners. This interest in using slaves grew as indentured servants became more rare and more expensive. By 1750, half the population of Virginia and two thirds of South Carolina were the enslaved Africans. It should be remembered in this context that even though I've mentioned two southern states, at the time of the Revolution, slavery was still permitted in all states. So by the time of the Constitutional Convention, the institution of slavery was pretty well established in at least a section, a portion of the new nation. And it was economically entrenched because of tobacco and eventually cotton and other cash crops that were what the south depended upon for its economic well being. When the Revolution came, and the revolution was made in the name of liberty, this fact caught the eye of perceptive critics of the Americans. The famous Samuel Johnson said in 1775, the year of Lexington and Concord, how is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of Negroes? And it was a good question, particularly since the most eloquent yelpers were people like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, who owned slaves themselves. More than half of the framers of the Constitution were slaveholders. So it's a reasonable question to ask today. How can we admire or how can we even understand these otherwise enlightened individuals who are exemplary in so many ways, buying into being so blind to the dehumanization of these people who were enslaved? How could they have been blind to the fundamental humanity of the enslaved? How could they be at peace with this practice? And what made the American situation especially intolerable was the fact that it was, as Johnson was pointing out in his way, that this practice was antithetical to the principles of the Declaration of Independence, the principles that Americans claimed to stand for and to practice high and noble ideals. They were living in inconsistency and they knew it. By and large. Jefferson agonized over his possession of slaves. Washington freed his slaves at his death. Jefferson did not. But both of them understood that in some ways slavery was an offense, an offense, as Jefferson would later say, offense against God and an offense against the well being of the nation, a possible source of national dissolution. Many of the framers believed that slavery was on its way out, would naturally disappear after the Revolution, and that nothing dramatic needed to be done about it. It was just an institution whose time had come and was passing. Roger Sherman of Connecticut, very influential figure in the Compromise by which the Constitution came to be took this view. Oliver Ellsworth said, and slavery in time will not be a speck in our country. The Constitutional convention, as I said, took an ambivalent view. It didn't applaud slavery. It never used the word. It never used the word slave or master. It didn't enunciate the principle of slavery. It was, I think, a clear case in which the need to foster unity among the colonies to form a new nation Took precedence over the writing of what many saw as a wrong. And that that would have to be postponed. Which, from our point of view, at times we say, well, they should have taken care of it at the time. But this is a. It's a different question for us to ask today Than it was for them to deal with at the time. And that's part of what I mean when I talk about the need to think historically. Is to put yourself in the context in which particularly political actors are acting. Instead of saying that they should have conformed to an ideal good that really was not within the range of political possibility, we should admire him for what they were able to accomplish. I think this is something we're going to see in Abraham Lincoln very soon as an example of this. So slavery was. There was a concession to slavery. The notorious three fifths rule, which counted the slave population for representation purposes, Even though slaves had no rights as citizens. By the way, northern delegates had wanted slaves to be counted at 100% for taxation, but zero for representation. So they were, in a way, the ones forced to compromise. But the Constitution's otherwise notably silent about slavery. There's a concession allowing the transatlantic slave trade to be abolished after 1808, which it was. And there's a fugitive slave clause in the Constitution, Although, as I said before, it does not use the word slavery. It says persons held to service or labor had to be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due. They're really trying very hard not to use the word slave and not to use the word master. And I think that's. At the very least, this silence, this indirection, this euphemism, Reflects an unease with the institution and a desire not to go so far as to enunciate the defense of slavery as a principle to which the Constitution would be bound. I think what we have to do is to see this period as a period of moral transition. They're on the cusp of a transformation of moral sensibility in the world that leads by the 19th century to the Abolition of slavery. And we are on the other side of that transformation so fully that it really requires an exercise of the historical imagination to see how good exemplary men could have nevertheless countenanced or been willing to kick the can down the road about such an issue. Hence, I argue, would be wrong, as so many people do in a casual way these days, to say that the United States was founded on slavery. No, it was founded on other things. It was founded on other things, principles of liberty and self rule that had been worked out over many years in English and then American history. And the fact that these foundational principles didn't come into the world unstained, unmarred, untroubled, is simply an example of the way that history actually happens. There are no immaculate conceptions or virgin births in history. There may be one, but only that one. So onward with the Constitution. It had been drafted, it had been approved, now it had to be ratified by the states. And that was not a for sure slam dunk outcome. There was a lot of ingrained inertia, opposition to changing something like a Constitution. There are always winners and losers whenever you change the structure of things. And many people who had a good under the old regime, particularly state and local elites, were not thrilled with the idea of having a much more powerful national government. In every state there would be a heated debate over whether or not the Constitution should be ratified. Of course, the factions divided into the Federalists, who were very clever in seizing the high ground of a positive name for themselves, and the anti Federalists, who had the negative name and were a much more heterogeneous group, but concerned about the concentration of power in a way reflecting this older American revolutionary concern about the dangers and corruptions that come with the concentration of power. Someone like Patrick Henry of Virginia, who was a great patriot in the time of the Revolution, opposed the Constitution because he said that it's squints toward monarchy, that it would represent a repudiation of what the revolution had been fought to accomplish. These debates were heated, and like many heated political debates, it gave rise to some of the most wonderful and rich writing about basic fundamental political issues that we've ever seen. The United States hasn't produced people like John Locke and Rousseau and Hobbes and so on who've written massive treatises. Instead, we have these occasional documents that are the focal point of the richness of our political tradition. And certainly the Federalist papers written by Hamilton, Jay and Madison as part of the debate in New York over the ratification are among the most distinguished products of that debate. Probably the most distinguished products of that debate, Thomas Jefferson said, and others have echoed this, that it was the definitive work of interpretation of the United States Constitution and people still go to it for that purpose. Just not to say the anti Federalists did not also produce thoughtful expositions that bear rereading now and that influenced the course of the nation then and since. And many of these writers on both sides wrote under Roman pseudonyms. Publius was the name that the three authors of the Federalist adopted. Brutus and Cato were authors on the. On the anti Federalist side. And the choice of those two names indicating a Republican small r Republican sensibility over against the idea that this new Constitution with a powerful presidency would be squinting towards empire. To paraphrase Patrick Henry, the papers of the Federalists bear extended analysis that I unfortunately don't have time for. But they featured a darkly realistic view of human nature. You remember Washington's remark about we've had too high an opinion of human nature. The Federalist does not reflect too high an opinion of human nature. If men were angels, government would not be necessary. Madison said Federalist 51, which he clearly believed was a definitive statement about men. Ambition, he said, must be made to counteract ambition because the sources of faction are sown into the hearts of men. And the only way to counteract the excessive ambition power mad tendencies of some men is to have other men who are similarly ambitious to counter them. The need for a Constitution that would use checks and balances and opposing forces to harness, as we saw last time, that tendency towards conflict, towards the exercise of power. Something else that comes out on the Federalist is the huge stakes that the authors of the Constitution, the Framers as we call them, saw implicit in their enterprise. They really thought that this was the last best chance to use words that Lincoln would use later for the whole world to establish a republican form of government. What Hamilton says in Federalist Number One, that the question before them was to decide whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection and choice and or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force. In other words, can we self consciously making use of what we know about history, about the ways in which republics have failed in the past, all the way through human history going back to antiquity. Can we make use of this knowledge in order to create a republic that will not fall into these traps, will be to the extent possible, with human flesh, to be immune to them? So this is one of the great enterprises in their minds of human history. They were using this unique occasion to try to create a new science of politics for a new world. They were using history to defy history. So the Antifederalists, they were defeated in the end, but they were not completely defeated. They managed to wring out of Madison and the others a concession that there would be a series of amendments to the Constitution, which we now call the Bill of Rights, that were designed to protect individual liberties against the incursions of this newly powerful national government. And thank goodness that they did. They deserve a lot of credit for seeing things the Framers themselves did not see so well. We would not want to have the Constitution without the Bill of Rights in it. Actually, to the extent that some people think that when you talk about the Constitution, you're only talking about the Bill of Rights and not the Electoral College or the separation of powers or any of the other things that go with the Constitution. So it's seen by all of us as integral to the Constitution.
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At the time the Constitution was adopted, a lot of people were skeptical, even those who voted for it. Even George Washington himself confessed that he didn't expect it to last more than 20 years. He would have been as surprised as anyone, I suppose, to see it still going 230 some odd years later. But the skepticism was justified. This was something new this was a blueprint for a building that hadn't been built. It was the score for music that had not yet been played. No one knew what was going to happen, what the building was going to look like, what the music was going to sound like. But it made a big difference that everyone knew who would be running the show from the presidency, at least for a few years, to get things started. And that would be, of course, George Washington, who was both blessed and cursed with the status of being the indispensable man, as his biographer once put it. James Thomas Flexner, the Indispensable man is the title of his biography of Washington. Washington didn't really want to do this. He wanted to retire. He wanted to go back to his beautiful home at Mount Vernon on the shores of the Potomac river and live the life of a gentleman farmer. That he hadn't been able to live for 20 or more years, that he had been engaged in strenuous public service, some of which we talked about last time. But the country was one of the great experiments of human history, and he couldn't back away from accepting his responsibility to see to it that the experiment succeeded. He said in his inaugural address, the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government are justly considered as deeply, perhaps as finally staked on the experiment. He uses that word experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people. So he had to be there. He couldn't back out. He couldn't go back to the farm and take it easy. Among the most urgent tasks facing him was the country's parlous financial state. And he turned this task over to Alexander Hamilton, who was something of an economic genius. And Hamilton devised a basically three part, oversimplifying a little bit, three part plan for bringing the nation into solvency. First, it would assume all the debts of the states and pay off the national debt in full at par value. This was ingenious because it would bind the states, bind the most powerful force imaginable to the national government. It wouldn't depend just on affection. There would be material considerations involved. Second, he proposed high tariffs. Yes, you heard me right. High tariffs to protect American nascent American industries and help the United States to develop a balanced commercial economy, something he avidly sought. And third, he called for the creation of a national bank to deposit government funds and serve as a regulator of the currency through the printing of banknotes. These are the three principal things that he wanted to do in his economic program. There are other things, but. But you can look at the Book for those. And the national bank was the most controversial. They were all controversial, but the national bank, particularly Madison, Jefferson, Virginians hated the idea, on the other hand, and they thought it was unconstitutional. The Constitution in this view, was a charter of enumerated powers. Enumerated, meaning if it ain't there, you ain't got it. It's enumerated, it's spelled out the powers that are given it to the federal government, the national government. Hamilton, on the other hand, said, well, hey, look at Article 1, Section 8. It says that Congress has the power to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying out the functions of government. Well, this went to a very fundamental disagreement that would last for years, arguably still with us today, between the strict construction and loose construction. The, the Constitution. Jefferson and Hamilton symbolized these two approaches. Jefferson, the strict construction. Hamilton, the loose interpretation. Jefferson thought the loose interpretation was just another fancy way of saying the end justifies the means. Hamilton thought that the nation was Hercules in the crib, as he once said, that it was just ready to bust out if as long as it was given the economic tools to do so, including a government that was active enough to produce results. So the two men came to symbolize these different views, not just of government, but of the nation as a whole. What kind of nation was America to be? Hamilton envisioned an America that was a commercial power, that was a world power that would be able to contend, go toe to toe economically and ultimately in other respects too, with the great nations of the world. Jefferson, on the other hand, thought the ideal for a virtuous citizenry, and he used that older language of virtue was fundamentally based in agriculture. His America would be an America of yeoman farmers, of freehold landholders who worked their own farms and in that way made a living, a sufficiency, maybe with some sale of surpluses, but not capitalists in the full sense of a capitalistic agriculture. Those who labor in the earth, he once said, are the chosen people of God. And so he favored agriculture, even though he was not much of a farmer himself and actually loved spending time in Paris and hobdobbing with cosmopolitan intellectuals. A very interesting guy in that regard. The two men also represented different views of foreign policy, which the United States, despite its distance from Europe, could not avoid. Because after all, France had been part of the successful revolution in America. And when France had its own Revolution in 1789, a lot of Americans, including Jefferson, including those who followed Jefferson, were on the French side. They thought the French Revolution was great. They thought it was an extension of the same kind of liberalism, the same kind of affirmation of universal rights that had been alluded to in the Declaration of Independence. Why not? Hamilton, on the other hand, favored imitating the British model. In some ways he was more impressed with the British way of doing things than the American, Even though he was great fighter for the Constitution. Washington, who was president for two terms, the first two presidential terms in American history, thought the better path was neutrality. And so he tried to keep a neutral path with great difficulty, because the nation was not inclined to follow, or at least the most activist elements in American political life were not inclined to follow. And indeed, this was a period, particularly getting into the 1790s, of great stress in American national life, Constant worries that factionalism was going to break out, and even that those who supported the French might go to the extent of treason in their support of the French cause and their opposition to their homegrown opponents. Washington gave a wonderful farewell address on September 17th of 1796 as he was about to leave office. And he cautioned against excessive entanglements in foreign affairs and wanted to stress national union as the most important principle of American foreign policy. This proved very hard to sustain, particularly after he was. Had stepped down and was succeeded by John Adams, his vice president. Adams had a very turbulent and difficult presidency, A one term presidency, our first one term presidency. And Adams may well have been ill suited to the job. Washington was an impossible act to follow. All sorts of reasons for that administration being problematic. But there's one thing that he did or allowed to happen that especially marks him, gives him a black mark in historical legacy, and that is his administration's passage of the alien and sedition Acts of 1798, which basically were efforts to. They were response to what was seen as the fake news of the time coming from the Federalists. Well, both from Federalists and Republicans. And it, it became a crime under these laws to publish what someone else might judge to be, quote, false, scandalous and malicious criticisms of high government officials. 25 Republican newspaper editors were prosecuted under these laws. In response, Jefferson and Madison did something equally bad in drafting the so called Kentucky and Virginia resolutions, which were basically proclamations of the right of states. Because the Constitution was considered a compact between the states. This issue will come up very soon in another context. Because it was a compact between the states. The states had the right to interpose themselves or to nullify federal laws that they didn't agree with. So which of these is worse? They're both pretty bad. George Washington was appalled by the Kentucky and Virginia resolutions. He said that if pursued they would dissolve the Union. Both parties were veering out of control at this point. The Republicans were acting like were being seen by the other side, by the Federalists, as wild eyed Jacobins. The Federalists were being seen by the Republicans, the Jeffersonians as crypto monarchists, people who wanted to impose monarchy on the country. And then in the midst of all this, December 1799, George Washington dies at a time when all this acrimony reigns and there's no longer that figure, that enormous figure, not just physically enormous, but politically and spiritually enormous leader to hold things together. Miraculously though, the election of 1800, which was a fiercely contested election, as you would expect it to be, between Jefferson and Adams, which Jefferson won by a small but decisive margin, there's some complications there we can't get into. But he did win it pretty clearly. And as President, Jefferson turned down the heat. He turned out to be a very unifying president, surprisingly so. He gave one of the great inaugural addresses in which he began to express the desire for that kind of unity that Federalists and Republicans were all on the same side, that they were part of the same union. The first inaugural is almost as masterly a speech as Washington's farewell address. This is a great time for American oratory. So the Revolution of 1800, as Jefferson would later call it, was actually a step in the maturation of the nation. It was symbolized by the venue in which Jefferson spoke. He spoke at the new national capital in Washington D.C. for the first time of an administration having an inaugural there. Jefferson's presidency I'm going to pass over rather quickly except to say that there's a pattern to it. The pattern is that Jefferson first of all found himself unable to reverse and even unwilling in the end to reverse Hamilton's economic program to which he had so heartily objected. He found himself unable to overcome the federal judiciary led by John Marshall, the Federalist Supreme Court justice, who was a very long serving Chief justice and really established the role of the court through the Marbury vs Madison case as the agent of judicial review, that is a review of the constitutionality of acts of Congress. None of which Jefferson, who really distrusted the judiciary, being a more radical Democrat, small d Democrat, he didn't really think that judges should be able to lord it over the popular will. Thanks to Marshall, the Supreme Court would have a preeminent place in American politics, one that was never spelled out in the Constitution itself. Although most of us think that the Founders, the framers, did intend for such a role to exist. The greatest achievement of his administration was the Louisiana Purchase, which was heretofore in American history the most sweeping act using executive power to acquire 800,000 square miles of additional land, more than doubling the size of the the country. Again, the details of how the purchase came about are interesting and they're in the book Land of Hope. But it was the bargain of the millennium. Arguably $15 million paid the French for this enormous tract of land to the west of the existing United States. So consider the irony. Just as Jefferson consolidated the Hamiltonian economic program under his watch, much he affirmed a kind of Hamiltonian interpretation of the Constitution by acts like the Louisiana Purchase. And in doing all of this, he consolidated his power over against the Federalists, Hamilton's party. And by the end of his administration, the Federalist party was a shadow of its former self on its way to death. This is very ironic, very American. It seems to me in this way that the practice of politics doesn't always obey the ideological lines that you would expect. After Jefferson, his administration came in the election of 1808, his retirement back to Monticello in Virginia. The problem of the British and British interference with American trade, which had been a sort of nagging problem for many years, became so prominent and so intolerable that James Madison, who was Jefferson's successor as president, ended up being pushed into war, the War of 1812, which is a war that. Just a few things to be said. The United States had no business fighting such a war. The United States is very fortunate they got out of that war without too much damage to itself. There are two good things that came of it. One was the composition of the poem the Star Spangled Banner, which would become our national anthem. Francis Scott Key observing the Bombardment of Fort McHenry, of in front Baltimore and the flag waving. And then a second good thing was a glorious if unnecessary battle fought in New Orleans under the leadership of General Andrew Jackson, who defeated a superior British force and gave the nation something to be proud of and gave the nation a new hero, a military hero on a par with Washington, on a par with the heroes of the revolution, looking forward into a new era that would be dominated by the common man. So Those were the two good results of the otherwise potentially disastrous War of 1812, which the United States probably would have been better off not fighting. If Hamilton had been a stronger, excuse me, if Madison had been a stronger and more forceful leader, Things were looking better for the United States in terms of foreign policy. After the War of 1812, it was really possible to Absent itself from world politics. The Monroe doctrine, proclaimed by James Monroe, who was a protege of Jefferson and Madison, declared the western hemisphere off limits to further European colonization. It was kind of declaring a sphere of influence for the United States. The United States, now free from foreign entanglements for a period of time, began to boom economically. The years after The War of 1812 were great years of economic growth, the building of railroads and knitting together of the nation as a national economy. It looked like smooth sailing ahead. But one thing, one speck on the horizon to come back to where we began, that unresolved question of slavery. When the state of Missouri, which was acquired in the Louisiana purchase, applied for admission to the union, it was a big problem, because up to that time, the nation had managed an informal balance between slave states, states that permitted slavery, and the northern states that had abolished it. The question of slavery and slavery's future in the country was kept at bay by this rough parity of states. To admit. Missouri, which had been settled by slave holding pioneers, would reopen the question in general. We'll see this when we talk about the Mexican war in a lecture or two. The westward expansion always opened up the question of slavery. It always put it back on the table because there was the question of whether slavery would be allowed to expand into the territories. This Missouri episode led to a huge national debate over the problem that had not been resolved at Philadelphia at 1787, and it would not resolve the debate in this occasion either. A way of carving a state, the state of Maine, out of Massachusetts and admitting it to the union in parity with Missouri was how the problem was solved. But it concluded with Jefferson having a deep foreboding that the Missouri compromise, as it was called, of 1820, was more of a harbinger of a very dark future than it was a solution to the problem. He wrote to a friend. This momentous question, like a fire bell in the night, awakened and filled me with terror. I considered it at once as a knell of the union. It is hushed indeed for the moment, but this is a reprieve only, not a final sentence. He never spoke more darkly than this and more prophetically, and he went on to express his sense of things in a memorable final sentence, which I will close with. We have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him nor safely let him go. He had identified the principal danger to the American experiment, and we'll see how that danger manifested itself in our next lecture. Thank you.
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Episode: The Great American Story: The Experiment Begins (Lectures 5 & 6)
Date: April 15, 2026
Hosts: Jeremiah Regan, Juan Davalos
Guest Lecturer: Dr. Wilfred M. McClay
Theme: This episode explores the foundational challenges faced by the nascent United States after the Revolution, focusing on the period from the Constitution’s drafting to the early 19th century. It gives special attention to slavery, the ratification debates, the shaping of American governance, economic policy, and the emergence of early political parties.
On the Founders’ Dilemma:
“The important thing to know ... is that slavery was ubiquitous in human history. It’s not peculiar to American history ... The fact that these foundational principles didn’t come into the world unstained, unmarred, untroubled, is simply an example of the way that history actually happens. There are no immaculate conceptions or virgin births in history.” – Dr. McClay [10:52]
On the Federalist Papers:
“Madison said in Federalist 51 ... ‘If men were angels, government would not be necessary.’ ... Ambition, he said, must be made to counteract ambition because the sources of faction are sown into the hearts of men.” – Dr. McClay [17:45]
On Early American Unity vs. Division:
“Washington gave a wonderful farewell address on September 17th of 1796 as he was about to leave office. And he cautioned against excessive entanglements in foreign affairs and wanted to stress national union as the most important principle of American foreign policy.” – Dr. McClay [31:10]
On the Missouri Compromise:
"This momentous question, like a fire bell in the night, awakened and filled me with terror. ... We have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him nor safely let him go." – Thomas Jefferson, cited by Dr. McClay [44:53]
This episode illuminates America’s post-revolutionary “experiment”—the struggle to implement self-government rooted in liberty, while grappling with enduring contradictions, chiefly slavery. The Founders’ prudent compromises, the vigorous debates over the Constitution, and the formation of political parties reveal how theory translated—imperfectly and often painfully—into practice. Listeners gain a nuanced view of the dynamic, sometimes tragic, realities shaping the early republic, and a preview of deeper conflicts still ahead.
The tone remains measured, reflective, and analytical throughout, encouraging not simplistic judgment but historical understanding—“an exercise of the historical imagination” ([13:15]) to appreciate the achievements and limitations of the nation’s founding generation.