The country is on edge after another protester was killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis. Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye look at how different Christian journalists and media outlets are covering, or not covering, the story, and what protests against ICE share in common with the Civil Rights movement, and how they're different. Speaking of the Civil Rights era, Justin Giboney is back to discuss his new book, "Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around." He believes too much of the American church and our politics has been captivated by the culture war, and learning from the example of the Black church, which rejected the "conservative vs. progressive" binary, can help lead us out. Also this week, the cows are coming for us!

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3:38 - Theme Song

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7:07 - Cow Tools

12:55 - Christian Journalists on Alex Pretti

25:03 - Media Ecosystem

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47:17 - Interview

55:46 - The Black Church's Tradition of Witness

1:06:30 - Humanizing Your Political Opponents

1:15:00 - Persuasion in Politics

1:24:00 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in News Segment:

Cow Tools:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0n127y74go

Religion News Service on Clergy Protesting ICE:

https://religionnews.com/2026/01/23/inside-the-effort-to-organize-clergy-nationwide-to-resist-ice-minneapolis/

The Atlantic on ICE Protests:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/01/minneapolis-uprising/685755/

Christianity Today on Authority and Responsibility:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/01/authority-responsibility-not-excuse-alex-pretti-ice-shooting-minnesota-trump/

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Don't Let Anybody Turn You Around: How the Black Church's Public Witness Leads Us Out of the Culture War: https://amzn.to/45ZnNrG

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