380: Shua Mundy | The HoneyDew with Ryan Sickler #380 | Full Episode

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The HoneyDew with Ryan Sickler #380: Shua Mundy | April 6, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The HoneyDew features Shua Mundy, the founder of Dads Against Predators (DAP), a grassroots organization dedicated to exposing child predators across the United States. Host Ryan Sickler and Shua delve into the harrowing realities of confronting predators, the failures of legal and social systems, the personal traumas that led Shua to his mission, and practical advice for parents and communities. The conversation is candid, raw, and at times darkly humorous, as both men use levity to process painful subjects.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Shua Mundy's Background and Motivation

• Origins of the Mission ([04:43]–[07:55])

  • Shua describes his upbringing in small-town Fremont, Ohio.
  • Catalyst: A family member was molested at age four by a 19-year-old relative; the justice system gave the perpetrator a lenient sentence (no jail, private registration).

    "I watched like the police kind of like set a low bar when it comes to charges...he doesn't get any jail time. Has to register privately, which I didn't even know was a thing." – Shua [06:01]

  • The difference between public versus private sex offender registries.

• Personal Trauma ([13:10]–[21:31])

  • Shua reveals, for the first time publicly, that he himself was sexually abused as a child in a Christian homeschool environment; abuse went unreported for years.

    "Honestly, I've even told my fans, you're getting a scoop... Not even my supporters really know that." – Shua [21:23]

• Systemic Failure ([11:53]–[12:59], [43:16]–[46:26])

  • Frustration watching both public institutions and private sector (schools, jobs) fail to protect children.
  • Exposed how offenders can still get jobs around minors if registered "privately."

2. How Dads Against Predators Works

• Setting up Catches, Methodology ([12:59]–[31:13])

  • Inspired by Chris Hansen and groups like Pop Squad, but felt these efforts were "too nice."
  • Shua and his team pose as minors online (using fake images, profiles) and wait for predators to initiate contact.
  • Notable: In more than 800 "catches," Shua claims never to have messaged a predator first.

    "I've never wrote a predator first. Never in my life...I'm not even fishing. I am the fish." – Shua [25:07]

  • Rapid response: Frequently catch multiple predators in a single day, even in "safe" locations.

    "We could go anywhere. We don't have a single lead. We just show up and we catch guys." – Shua [40:12]

• Outing Predators ([27:32], [28:35])

  • Known for his public "Excuse me, everybody" confrontations, creating town-wide awareness and social shame as an alternative to (often lacking) legal action.

    "Excuse me, everybody is more for the audience. Everything I do...is for you to be shopping...and all of a sudden, there is a pedophile right next to you." – Shua [28:28]

• Dealing with Violence and Risks ([29:58]–[36:40])

  • Instances of violence: attacked, shot at, partner shot in Target (full story at [31:04]), car chase after confrontation.
  • Legal repercussions: sometimes get arrested themselves (e.g., felony for kicking a predator’s car).

3. Legal and Systemic Roadblocks

• Why Most Arrests Don't Stick ([43:53]–[46:26], [58:42])

  • Many states require a "real" child victim for prosecution; decoy stings by civilians usually don't count (unless a police officer is the decoy).

    "Since it's not a real minor, there's nothing you can do. And a lot of states are like that." – Shua [44:09]

  • Only 81 convictions out of 800+ cases ("not good" by their own admission).

• Prosecution Disparities ([68:02]–[76:13])

  • Offenders often released on bail quickly, even after conviction.
  • Harsher penalties only for possession of child pornography, not for solicitation or even hands-on offenses.

    "It's a way worse charge to have child porn than it is...to molest a child." – Shua [76:36]

• Structural Inertia ([72:27]–[75:32])

  • Police prioritize minor crimes (e.g., speeding) over child protection.
  • Registering as a sex offender often amounts to a "mouse whisper" rather than a serious deterrent.

4. Predatory Behavior Across Demographics

• Profile of Offenders ([49:03]–[62:00])

  • Vast majority are men; only 4 out of 800+ catches were women.
  • Female offenders typically solicited minors for threesome scenarios, not solo.
  • Predators come from all walks: community pillars, mentally challenged individuals, coaches, clergy, parents with families, and social outcasts.

    "You can't trick people into being pedophiles...either they're pedophiles or they're not." – Shua [62:00]

• Mental Illness and the Spectrum ([50:42]–[55:31])

  • Careful distinction between intellectual disability and predatory intent; some with cognitive impairments still pose a public danger and are exposed if they re-offend.
  • Emphasizes not to stigmatize all neuroatypical individuals.

5. Prevalence and Societal Denial

• Child Sexual Abuse Statistics ([69:03]–[70:04])

  • Reported sexual assaults (ages 12+): one every 68 seconds in the US.
  • Actual numbers likely much higher due to underreporting and abuse of younger children.

    "There's car insurance...because car accidents happen so often every 12 seconds. We see nothing for child molestation and it happens just as much as car accidents." – Shua [70:01]

• Taboo and Silence ([70:28]–[71:15])

  • Lack of public resources, support, or open conversation.
  • Describes societal silence as akin to "a normal taboo...like pooping – we all do it but don't want to talk about it."

6. Parenting & Prevention Advice

• Communication is Key ([64:07]–[65:01])

  • Strong, open lines of communication are the first line of defense; children must feel safe to share troubling events or messages.

    "You gotta have great communication with your kids...if you can't ask your kid, 'What'd you do at school today?' and they say nothing, then you're gonna have problems." – Shua [64:07]

• Practical Guidance ([65:01]–[66:18])

  • Teach children privacy and bodily autonomy from early age (e.g., no one but parents/doctors present touching, open discussions about online safety).
  • Avoid letting young kids use DMs on apps; no unsupervised access to platforms like YouTube, Roblox, Fortnite.
  • Warn about dangers of "sextortion" and online grooming.

• Community Action ([77:39]–[78:13])

  • Exposing predators is about public safety and awareness, not just punishment.
  • Dreams of shifting social norms so predators feel shame and discomfort, not victims or the community.

7. Notable Cases and Viral Moments

• The Viral "Beth" Case ([60:24]–[61:16])

  • First major viral video involved a female predator: catapulted DAP's profile and turned the mission into a career.
  • "Beth" became infamous for her bizarre demeanor.

• Church and School Abuse Stories ([62:51]–[64:02])

  • Shua's colleague’s confrontation of a childhood abuser led to suicide and the revelation of multiple other victims.
  • Community and church often circled wagons to protect offenders, not victims.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On systemic denial and elite hypocrisy:

  "Anybody that thinks there's Democrat and Republican anymore...is a fucking idiot." – Ryan [03:55]

• On the justice system:

  "I watched the private sector protect these people, and then I watched right in public these people being protected. And I was like, you know, this is enough." – Shua [12:07]

• On predator stings:

  "You can't trick people into being pedophiles...You can't word your way into making someone a pedophile." – Shua [62:00]

• On collective action:

  "We’re at a moment in time where sexual assaults happen just as much as car accidents happen, and our culture recognizes that for cars but not for this." – Shua [70:01]

• On parenting:

  "It all starts off as—you gotta have great communication with your kids, in general, to be able to talk about uncomfortable things." – Shua [64:07]

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Important Timestamps

• [04:43] – Shua recounts his family’s trauma and why he started DAP
• [13:10] – Shua reveals his own childhood sexual abuse
• [27:32] – "Excuse me everybody": the public exposure tactic
• [31:04] – Story of being shot at and chase after a sting in North Carolina
• [43:53] – Legal barriers to prosecution; explanation of why most catches don’t yield arrests
• [58:42] – Only 81 convictions from 800+ stings
• [64:07] – Advice to parents about communication and prevention
• [69:03] – Child sexual assault statistics: "every 68 seconds"
• [77:39] – Shua’s endgame: shifting cultural shame away from victims to predators

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Conclusion & Closing Advice

• To parents: Build open communication. Trust and verify children’s online and offline interactions. Supervise access to apps with direct messaging.
• To communities: Recognize the pervasiveness of the problem, and the failures of the justice system. Don’t make excuses for abusers in religious, educational, or elite networks.
• Shua’s hope: Transform the culture so that predators—not their victims—feel isolated, uncomfortable, and unable to hide.

"When a pedophile walks into a building, I don't want everybody else to get uncomfortable. I want the pedophile to feel uncomfortable." – Shua [77:53]

Find Shua Mundy & Dads Against Predators

• Instagram: @shuamundy
• Website: dadsagainstpredators.com
• Locals: DAP2K

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This episode is a disturbing, urgent call to vigilance and change—equal parts tragic, infuriating, and, thanks to Shua’s resolve, a little bit hopeful.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

the Honeydew with Ryan Sickler.

[A]

Welcome back to the Honeydew, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

We're over here doing it in the Night Pants studios. You know, I'm Ryan Sickler, RyanCicler.com, ryan Sickler on all your social media love and appreciate you all for not only supporting this show, but anything I do. If you got to have more, you got to have the Patreon. I've been telling you every week for years. Years means there's hundreds of episodes now. It's five bucks a month. It is this show with you all. It's the Honeydew with y'. All. And y' all have the craziest stories you'll ever hear. I promise. Go check it out. We got a lot of exclusive content on the premium tier. You're getting away back early ad free, sensor free. All that stuff up there as well. All right. That's the biz, you know, we do here. We highlight the low lights. I always say that these are the stories behind the storytellers and I am very Excited to have this guest with us here. Ladies and gentlemen, first time on the Honeydew. Please welcome show Monday. Welcome to the Honeydew Show.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, brother.

[A]

Give you a little extra love, brother.

[B]

Oh, that's love.

[A]

Shua. Please, before we get into what we're going to talk about, I'll give you a proper, proper introduction to right there. Promote everything and anything you'd like. Tell them who you are, what you're about.

[B]

My name is Shua Mundy. I catch child predators coast to coast, island to island across the United States. You can find me on Shua Mundy on Instagram. That's like the main hub. You can find full videos on DAP2K locals. It's like a rumble offshoot. Awesome for you being on Patreon. They kicked me off.

[A]

Did they? For this?

[B]

Yeah, they kicked me off Patreon. And then you could go todads against predators dot com. We're launching a new website and it's gonna be chock full of content, bad guys, anything you can think of. There's gonna be a map. You scroll your mouse over and you can see a catch on your state, maybe even in your hometown. So look out for that. I'm excited to be here. Thank you for having me and looking forward to it.

[A]

Dude, I've got a million questions for you.

[B]

Hopefully I got a million answers.

[A]

Are you. You a father?

[B]

Yeah. Three kids. Yeah. That's against predators. I started the organization.

[A]

All right, so we're dads sitting here.

[B]

A lot of.

[A]

A lot of these people are parents out here. We got this whole Epstein thing going on now where they're literally talking. They're telling us right to our face, we're your kids. We're eating them. We're doing whatever the we want and you can't do about it. It blows me away. Anybody that thinks there's Democrat and Republican anymore and not the uber elite, and the rest of us is a idiot.

[B]

Eyes wise closed right in our face.

[A]

They're telling us and they don't. Oh, but don't look at that. Look at the Dow. Look at your 401k.

[B]

Here comes the alien.

[A]

Peanuts. Yeah. Oh, aliens are coming. Oh, we're shutting airports down. Anything to take our mind off of that. So let's get into you first, your background, where you're from and. And who you are and why you started all this.

[B]

I'm from Fremont, Ohio. Small town, 16,000 people. I think the only thing we got there is Rutherford B. Hayes and Charles Woodson. Only defensive player to win the Heisman Trophy. So it's pretty cool. Go blue. So grew up pretty normal. Other. I had a rough childhood. I think we'll get into that or whatever. But small town. Something happened in my family and I watched like the police kind of like set a low bar when it comes to like charges that they put on the guy. I watched them go through the judicial system.

[A]

And are you comfortable telling us what happened?

[B]

Yeah. So not to put out their business, but somebody in my family, they were four years old, was molested by somebody and their other side of their family, like through a marriage and by a 19 year old.

[A]

And this is usually also what they say is. Very often it's someone you know or someone in your neck.

[B]

It was a cousin to them.

[A]

So

[B]

we go through a court process. I watch what it does to like my family and terrible.

[A]

And how old are you at the time you're seeing this? A child?

[B]

No, I'm. I'm 20. Okay, 23.

[A]

How old are you now?

[B]

I'm 32, about 33. So this about 10 years ago. And I'm just watching it affect my family. I'm watching the. I'm watching it every court day. I'm going to the court dates and I'm watching them kind of get away with it more and more and more. And at when all said and done, as far as court goes, he doesn't get any jail time. Has to register privately, which I didn't even know was a thing. So many people don't know is a thing right now.

[A]

I don't know. So you don't have. There's. There's a private and a public. Yeah, come on.

[B]

So there's a private registry where they're registered within like the database of like the system.

[A]

System where regular people like us don't have access to see that.

[B]

Exactly. So basically all that means is.

[A]

But he's 19. That's exactly. That's an adult.

[B]

Exactly. And he was doing it for over two years, supposedly from 17 to 19. So that happens. And he ends up, like I said, no jail time. Registers privately. And

[A]

I know people are gonna yell at me because I'm interrupting you. I'm pretty good about not doing that. But no.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When you register privately.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, is he protected in the sense that he can go. You know, does he have any restrict. Can he go get a job?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. If you. This is where I'm getting to.

[A]

Does he have to be. Is he on the Megan's Law or gov site and things like that?

[B]

So that's. That's a great question. Is actually where I'm getting to is so he doesn't have to, like, he can get a job and nobody would ever know. He can go to a college and all those things apply. So I'm ch. I'm going. He gets a job at Taco Bell. I go to Taco Bell and I got the court papers and transcripts. I'm like, listen, this guy's doing this. He's working around minors. He goes, get a job at kfc. I do the same thing, and I'm not even exaggerating. We do this, like, go dance, like, four times. He gets a different job. I go to that job.

[A]

And do they let him go when you present the information?

[B]

Sometimes the Taco Bell let him go. KFC let him stay. And then there was a couple others that I believe let him stay. But Taco Bell was legit. But. So I go to school to be a teacher, and I want to be a football coach and a high school history teacher. It's like my dream. This is my dream. And I'm my. Starting my third year, so it'll be like my junior year, and I'm taking statistics, and in walks into my classroom.

[A]

No way.

[B]

That guy.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Swear. Can't make it up.

[A]

And so he stayed in the community and everything, too.

[B]

Yeah. Small community, too.

[A]

Yeah. He didn't even bother to move. He's right there. Where the. A small town. Look, the core of. You know. Yeah.

[B]

And so small town. There's a community college. It's called Tara. And I'm going, like I said, to be a teacher. I'm the education professor. Was, like, the main leader of, like, that program. Happens to be the dean of the whole school. So she's wearing a couple hats. I've been doing the education program for three years. Well, two years to that point. And I go in and I tell her, like, hey, you're the dean. This is what's going on. This is a situation. This is very, like, personal to me. And, like, I can't. How am I supposed to, like, come in here? This is the hardest class. Statistics is hard as.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm like, man, I can't really focus. Like, I want to kill this guy. Like, this isn't really fair. And she's like, well, you know, he paid to be here. He has every right to be here, as much as you. I can ask him to leave. I guess. She asked him to leave. He said no.

[A]

And that's crazy.

[B]

That's crazy. The defiance Exactly.

[A]

So are you. Are you allowed to stand up in class and say, everyone, here's who this guy is, here's the proof. I've. I've made copies of it and pass around. Or is that slander? Is that. You know what I mean? Can you get in trouble?

[B]

Well, I was told this is what's funny is now 2026. I'm Mr. Make a Scene in places and stuff. She told me exact words was like, you know, don't make a scene about this. Like this and that.

[A]

That's because they don't want the bad eye look at school.

[B]

So I made a scene. I did. Exactly. You've narrated this whole story damn near.

[A]

Is that right?

[B]

Yeah, I made a scene. I stood up and was like, you know, this guy's a pedophile. He molested somebody in my family. And this and that. Nothing happened. It just was awkward, I guess. He kept on coming to class.

[A]

He's just coming to class.

[B]

One of those people that just.

[A]

That's the. That's.

[B]

It's so low that what's lower? You know what I mean? Like who? Like just. And this is a thing, a point that I'll bring up later on when it comes to, like justice and what we see in this country, warmer weather

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[B]

But you know, I took all my time exposing this guy, so I seen I seen the justice system and the judicial system give this guy a pass. And the education system, and that's one

[A]

thing where kids live and go to.

[B]

There's. There's minors in that class. It's a small town college. You got a 15 year old girl in there and an 80 year old man, you know what I mean? In the same class. So I watched. I watched the private sector protect these people, and then I watched right in public these people being protected. And I was like, you know, this is enough. I seen Chris Hansen videos and stuff like that. But at this time that was done. It had to be. It had been canceled for like five to 10 years. And there was this group called Pop Squad. And I think he was based in Connecticut, who kind of does what I do now. And we would watch him and he was like. I felt like, no offense to him. I just felt like, he's so nice. You're just way too nice to these guys. And I'm like, I'm already exposing this guy. You know what I mean? Let's see if I can actually catch a predator. And me and my best friend Jay, we. We set up a grinder. And then the next day we caught three guys get the.

[A]

In one day.

[B]

In one day. Yeah.

[A]

All right, so let's dial it back for a second here. Your childhood or did anything happen to you?

[B]

Yeah, so I was like. I was molested by like, I went. I was sent to like this home school and it was like. You go into somebody else. Yeah, it was like a Christian home school. So if we rewind everything with the relationship, man. And it turns out like I was sent to this home with this family and they had like. The brother's in prison right now for child porn. And I guess like the father was molesting all the kids.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

So, yeah, one of the brothers, like, with me and like that.

[A]

Who sent you to the school? Why are you going?

[B]

My grandparents. So why though?

[A]

Why not regular school?

[B]

You want to just start from the beginning? Yeah, let's start from the beginning. So My mom was 14 when she had me, 13 when she got pregnant. My dad was 19. Excuse me, everybody. Right? Wow.

[A]

So it's literally right there. It is. Oh, yeah.

[B]

I'm like the. I'm like a.

[A]

You're born.

[B]

Born. Yeah.

[A]

So your grandparents really, I mean, your mom's 14. They're your parents, basically.

[B]

So, yeah. So my. My grandma, her. My real grandpa used to beat my grandma and like all kinds of stuff. It sounds terrible. I want to laugh, but like, she Would, like the way she would describe, and she'd be like. He would shoot guns in the house, and he would try to have sex with my butt. I laugh every time. I know it's, like, painful for her. Like, sex with my. But I just always thought that was funny. But so she. He had, like, tried to kill her. He's a psycho. So she left him, and I had that. She had my mom and my uncle, and she got into another relationship that got. She got married, met this guy, got married, like, six months, and then he died in, like, a motorcycle accident. So she's reeling. She meets a guy 12 years younger than her, straight out of the military, and I guess, I don't know, they fall in love, whatever. And then this guy who's only 10 years older than my mom and my Uncle Mike is, like, now all of a sudden, like, the father figure in the house. And there's, like, a lot of drama, as you would assume. And so my mom's like, this is late 80s, early 90s. You know, I was born in 93, so she's. I always picture this as, like, the Terminator years. Like Terminator 2, where they're out. They're out at the mall, and then, like, you got John Connor. I'm like, this is, like, how that world looked back then. And she said she was like, skip school. And she told my dad she was older and stuff. So they have a baby. It becomes me. Then my dad, he does construction, and he's always, like, traveling. And my mom starts to do drugs with her, like, new boyfriend or something like that. And early 90s, there's no such thing as crackheads. By the late 90s, there's crackheads, and my mom's one of them. So my mom's always out partying, disappearing. And by the time I'm, like, three years old, my grandma takes full custody of me. So I grow up with them. I'm growing up with my grandpa.

[A]

And Are they local? Are you still seeing your mom and dad? Are they.

[B]

So I'm in a small town, and, like, I. I keep saying some people won't really, but, like, when you're in a small town, it's. You might even relate with, like, a neighborhood, you have, like, local crackheads. You know, I mean, there's a guy that always sits at, like, this speedway type of thing. You know what I mean? And, like, my mom was, like, a local crackhead. So like, I would see her and then, like, she would come over, like, every now and then. She loved me, but it was just Wasn't just her dopamine was so fucked up that she couldn't like live a different life, you know? Um, so basically I'm growing up with my grandparents, my grandpa, step grandpa, whatever you would like to say, a psycho, like crazy military. I never got whoopings. I would get monkey punched. So I want to get punched in my face, but I get smacked with fists. So like I was getting my ass whooped like all the time. Like I remember one time I wore like his slippers to take out the trash. And then he like woke me up and smacked me with the slipper in my face. And I would get the beyond me all the time. So that, that like sucked as a kid. I'm like, I can't wait to get out of here. This and that. But like now that I'm a, I'm a who a man and stuff, like nobody will ever be. He was like 62 and I'm like 8 years old. He's kicking my ass. So nobody will ever be like that much bigger than me. So like I'm not really scared of guys or physical confrontation and stuff. So I'm kind of thankful for that because a lot of men like get uncomfortable in those like chaotic, violent situations and I feel pretty comfortable. So that's like a silver lining that came from like the physical.

[A]

I want to ask you about physical abuse.

[B]

Yeah, so it was like silver lining that came from the physical abuse. So I didn't really have nowhere to go. My dad started a family states away and he's being a great dad. So that's another silver lining of like, oh like you're a great dad to my brother and sisters. But to me it's kind of just like sucks, you know what I mean? So my grandma and grandpa are like super Christian at the time. It's early thousands Pokemon to them. Pokemon. If you say a Pokemon, it's like a demonic spell. Like Pikachu was like summoning demons and every. Like I wasn't allowed to watch like Land Before Time because humans were around with dinosaurs. I swear to God. What's up is I wasn't allowed to watch Harry Potter but like it was like all convenient cuz like I was watching the movie seven like that I was watching all kinds of. I'm like I'm watching all kinds of other because they want to watch it. So they're like, yeah, watch this.

[A]

So I'm Buy yourself yourself. You can't watch Harry Potter.

[B]

Exactly. So like I'm watching all kinds of Schindler's List and like I'm a film buff. That's one thing that they did do is they. Every Tuesday they got the new movie that come out, that came out. So like I'm always watching all these DVDs and but yeah, I'm so removed from like, you know, this music's demon music and this and that. So public school, obviously, if Pokemons are demons, public school must be the devil.

[A]

So they feel me to this pride,

[B]

sent me to this private little Christian thing, results in me getting molested, which I didn't even tell even anybody for.

[A]

And by who? This the son you say?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And luckily I was out of that situation. Cuz I would beg to be in regular school and so.

[A]

But never told.

[B]

Never told. No. And that probably happened in like third grade and. And I finally got back to regular school in sixth grade. So I had like three years of that. And that was, that was terrible.

[A]

And is the abuse happening the entire time you're there? Like almost.

[B]

It was like, it was like fourth grade. Nothing happened. Third grade would happen fourth grade and I would, I'd be like, I'd be like not liking it. They want to do it. And then I would threaten to tell. And then he stopped in like fifth, like fifth grade or whatever. So.

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[B]

You know, I didn't tell anybody for a long time. Like I've told my fiance and honestly, I even told my fans, you're getting a scoop. I don't. Not even my supporters really know that.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

So I said it one time on a live and I'm like, it's not the right time to say it. So I deleted it. But.

[A]

Yeah, but you don't. People don't know that you also were a victim.

[B]

Yeah. Wow.

[A]

All right, so you're not doing it just because that family member was abused and you watch the system them over protect these predators. You're doing it because you also yourself were a victim.

[B]

If I'm being honest though, like, I don't know if it's like a self protecting thing, but like I almost forget, like I almost don't think about it or anything like that. So like in my mind, like I am doing it for the system and things like that, but.

[A]

All right, so maybe for a second this guy's still around. Have you found this? Yeah,

[B]

I confronted him and he was in person. Yeah. And he was like 16, doing it to me when I was right. Like, I don't know, eight or something like that.

[A]

Fourth, fifth grade.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So.

[A]

And when do you confront him? How old are you when you confront him?

[B]

Two years ago. Yeah, I wrote him on Facebook.

[A]

Did he respond?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did he admit it?

[B]

Yeah, he apologized and was like.

[A]

He didn't be like.

[B]

He said his older brother was doing it to him and he said his dad was doing it to him. And then that's how I found out all this. And then. Yeah, you. And then after that, I didn't really know what the to say, you know,

[A]

I mean, does he know what you do now?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is he himself?

[B]

I think.

[A]

I mean, you haven't, I don't know. You haven't outed him?

[B]

No, because he was like. That's why I don't talk about it too much because he was, he was 16 and he was. It was good and it was getting done to him.

[A]

I understand. Like a child doing this to a child.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So like this isn't a teacher or something. Right.

[B]

So it's, it's a, it's a chaotic. It's a chaotic feeling.

[A]

You know, it's also. I'm impressed with you because to be in the throes of what you do and go after these sick, like to have the, the I don't know what you would call it, the empathy for this person. To be like, you were a kid at the time, you were doing that to me. I'm not gonna ruin your life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, that says a lot about you. You could. How do you know he's not still doing it though? You know?

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, and what I've read from Chris Hansen sitting here, other people who've been abused, that doesn't seem to just stop. You don't just stop.

[B]

No, I don't believe that. There's like, you know, you don't just

[A]

one day go, what the am I doing, man? Let me get. Stop.

[B]

So I mean, that's very true.

[A]

Does that guy have kids?

[B]

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

[A]

We're going back now. So you also are a victim. And now you're in public school and you're away from that situation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And what then later in life makes you go, enough is enough? This. I'm doing what I do now.

[B]

Yeah. The situation that happened with my family and just watching everybody.

[A]

So when do you start? When you let me take you back. You said you'd set up a Tinder or Grinder.

[B]

Excuse me.

[A]

Three. Three dudes.

[B]

The next day, three dudes.

[A]

What is the setup? What are you doing to.

[B]

So at that point, we know.

[A]

What bait are you using?

[B]

We Google teenage boy and image. Go to Google images teenage boys. This guy looks like on a Disney Channel. It's so fake. And.

[A]

And you put a picture up like it's a profile.

[B]

Yeah. And then they write and.

[A]

And they believe it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because don't you have to be a certain age to be on all these things?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Facebook, you have to be sure.

[B]

Yeah. So you. You do. And then you just say, hey, I'm 14.

[A]

And what do you do? What do you. What's the message? Like, how do you fish for it? What do you say?

[B]

We've never. I. Out of the 800 catches I've been on, I probably. Yeah, I probably caught myself 500. I've never wrote a prayer first. Never in my life.

[A]

So you're just setting up a profile. You don't even ask?

[B]

Hey, I'm not even fishing. I am the fish.

[A]

They come right in.

[B]

They're fishing. I'm not fishing. Yeah, you have a bunch of people that write you.

[A]

All right, so let's talk about the very first one. That guy hit you guys up. Where do you go? What's local before you refine your. Your process? What is this one? The very first one. Who goes with you? Are you armed? No.

[B]

His name is Raphael and I'm just with my buddy Jay and we're in the car, on our way. It's like a four minute drive. We did all the hard work, basically. It wasn't even that hardware work. It was really easy.

[A]

And you're just like, what? I'm. How old are you telling?

[B]

I'm 14.

[A]

And I'm gonna meet you at the Walmart?

[B]

Yeah, meet you at the Walmart. He has a hotel. He wants to have sex.

[A]

Jesus Christ.

[B]

Oh, it's really happening. It's like 6:30 in the morning. Probably late 30s, early 40s.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And 6:30 in the morning. These sick asses are.

[B]

This is the. That's the prime time to catch bad guys.

[A]

Why?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Why are they up so early?

[B]

I Think before work or something. They're trying to. I don't know, it's really the prime time hours. So his name's Raphael. We're on the, we're in the car ride and we. All we've seen is like, this isn't what it is now at all. Where there's like a bunch of like things to look at and be like, oh, we could do it like this and do it like this. There's really. I've seen a couple videos of it and I know I didn't want to do it like that. So we're going in the car. Like, who's gonna talk? Like, how are we gonna do the video? I'm recording all the videos. I was so hard headed that I wasn't. I wasn't a content creator. Like I was a security guard and going to college. So like I'm recording the first 15 videos like vertically and I'm. Everybody's yelling at me like, turn it sideways. I'm like, nah, it feels comfortable this way. But yeah, so like we're amateur. I don't know how to record. I don't know what I'm gonna even. What we're gonna say. I got like the chat logs in one phone. And what's so crazy is we go do the catch and I could release that catch today and nobody would like be like, hey man, this, this seems like different. We do the excuse me, everybody, all that stuff.

[A]

Okay, you do it right away. You didn't walk up quietly and ask them first. You're like, excuse me everyone, this guy's here to.

[B]

Well, yeah, we talk to him. We talk to him a little bit like, what you doing here? Die? He tries walking away. I do the excuse me, everybody. Long story short, this guy, tell him,

[A]

tell them if people aren't familiar with your work, tell them how you out them.

[B]

Oh yeah. So if as soon as we're done with our talk or whatever, if we're in a big public space, I love. It's for them and for us. And I'd love to explain that. Excuse me, everybody for them is like, you're in your underwear at school. It's your worst nightmare. It's the worst thing that you've ever done being an alarm clock for your whole like local neighborhood. Because if I'm catching you, I'm in your neighborhood. You know what I mean? You're not in my neighborhood. I'm in your neighborhood. So just nightmare feel. And for me, the excuse me, everybody is more for the audience. Everything I do, even the Smacks or any type of punishment that they come along. Like I feel like that stuff is to throw away and it's really for the audience to take. So the, excuse me everybody is for you to be shopping at Walmart and, or Target or whatever your local grocery store is and you're getting milk and you think you're just going to make waffles this morning for your family.

[A]

You have my kid with me.

[B]

Yeah, you'll have your kid with you all the time. And all of a sudden there is a pedophile that will have sex with kids right next to you, right next to you. And I feel like that's the wake up call that America needs to hear is like this stuff is next to you. And you live in our government. Yeah. You live in la. And, and speaking from a person from small town America, I've done, done a lot of traveling in the past like decade, but small town America, you kind of grow up and you go, oh, that stuff only happens in la. That stuff only happens in Florida, you know what I mean? And I love, I love like breaking that matrix in small towns, big towns, anywhere. Like this happens everywhere, you know, so that's what the, excuse me, everybody's about. And, and it's, it's okay.

[A]

But again with Chris Hansen, I was mentioning before record, he's got police right there. Sure you don't roll with security or. I don't answer that question. Let's not let people know whether you do or not. But it doesn't seem like you do. In the videos he, he has the cop, like if they go right there, they come right in. Are you armed? Do you have any kind of weapon? Do you have any kind of self defense? And two part if you do, does that get you in trouble? Because at the time I'm, I, I'm listening to the court already like, well, you didn't catch him doing that, right? You didn't see him doing anything in person. So if you pull a weapon on him or something now, are you the bad guy?

[B]

Yeah. I mean if I pull a weapon out and it's like unprovoked or anything like that.

[A]

Have you been attacked? Has anybody had a weapon where they

[B]

have knife or shot at, shot at? My partner got shot.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

And we had to.

[A]

What happened?

[B]

Away in North Carolina, in the store? Yeah. Winston Salem, North Carolina. You Google it? It's crazy.

[A]

Tell me what happened. You go to get this guy?

[B]

You go to get a guy. We're a 13 year old girl, his name's Dante. He wanted to take the girl to a quarry, which is like a man made lake. I. After telling the story, I realized a lot of people don't know where the quarry is. Yeah, it's a Midwest type of thing. So. So you want to take this girl to the quarry? We walk up to him. Like I said, I've done this hundreds of times. Hey, Dante. Or Dante, what you doing here? Immediately, he tries to grab my phone. I put my phone in my chest and do like a little spin move. And I look back and him and my partner are like Die Hard spinning around with a gun. And in the store, in Target. So I jump on the guy's back, and at some point during that, sorry, that tussle, the gun goes off. My partner gets shot in the leg.

[A]

Whoa. In Target.

[B]

In Target. And he shoots like three more times.

[A]

Anybody else get hit?

[B]

No.

[A]

Jesus Christ.

[B]

We take. I. We're wrestling him. I put him in a rear naked choke. And to this day, I don't know if he actually passed out or fake passed out. We got the gun away, and as soon as I push down, he jumps back up and my partner's punching him. And we was like kicking his ass the whole time trying to get the gun away from him. And so we, we finally get the gun away. We go get the gun. We take it because we don't want him to get it back. And. And people in Target's thinking it's like a mass shooting. You know what I mean? Like active shooter situation. We walk out of target and it's just maybe like 60 cop cars. It's. I'll never forget, the visual is insane. And we get into the car and he's bleeding everywhere and we're basically like. I'm like, let's go to the hospital. He's like, no, I just want to go home. And at this time, we live in Ohio and we're in North Carolina. We're like 15 hours from home.

[A]

You bleed out.

[B]

Yeah. So we don't know how bad it's been. He's never been shot before. He's a. He's been in the army. He was in the army for four years, but never any active combat or anything like that. So we drive off and we're like freaking out. We get to this four way light and he. He's like, bro, he's right behind us. And we look back and the predators right behind us.

[A]

He got out of the store before the cops and. Yeah, damn. And now he's chasing you?

[B]

Now he's chasing us. So there's like a four. Four lane road. And like, the two left. Two left lanes are like turn lanes. And I always tell this story wrong, but I can't really remember how I do it. So at some point, I'm trying to jump a light where it's a red light, and I'm just gonna run the red light because he's behind us, and I'm scared as fuck. I think he's got another gun, like, whatever. And I try to, like, jump to slight, and I get into a car accident. A car hits me. Boom. And I do like a 360, and I'm pointing the same way that I was going at the end of the little car accident, and I just punch it. But at this point, the car. I'm thinking the car is up. It's not going over, like, 25. And so I'm trying to do, like, GTA maneuvers where I'm, like, trying to go as fast as I can and slamming on the brake. Hopefully he's gonna drive past, but it doesn't work. Switching lanes to try to, like, trick him. Eventually, we pull into, like, this doctor's office, and I have his gun, and I'm. I've been driving for, like, eight minutes at this point. Already did the tussle and all that stuff, thinking I'm gonna die, and just. I think my brain was just fried. Like, I can't do it no more. So I got the gun and I get out the car and I park. Get out the car. The predator parks. Get out the car. He's like, please stop. I just want to talk. I got a family. Delete the video, please. You can keep it going. I'm like, shut the up. Shut the up. And I tell him, get down on the ground. He gets on the ground, and I'm like, put your hands behind your back. He puts his hands behind his back, and I run back to my car and took off. Try to take off. Car won't go no where for some reason. And he gets back in the car, chases us again. I end up pulling over maybe five minutes later into, like, a driveway that has, like, a ring camera. I'm like, whatever happens here is just gonna fucking happen. And he's like, you guys can keep the gun. Please delete the video. We're like, all right, we'll delete the video. Leave us the fuck alone. And he's like, all right, thank you. And he, like, leaves.

[A]

He believed it. He didn't make you do it and watch him?

[B]

No, he just leaves. So, yeah, bro. And so we Go back to our Airbnb. We're packing up. Like, oh, my God, we're going to be in so much trouble. Like, we didn't start anything, but, like, it was just a fucking shooting in target. Like, that's.

[A]

And shot. Yeah, someone got hit.

[B]

Exactly. Even though we didn't start it, we didn't do anything. It was just like. We're like, you know, what the fuck's going on? So Jay gets a call and was like, hey, you know, you guys are wanted for robbery. And we're like, what? They're like, yeah, you're all over the news. So apparently the guy, the predator went home, and whoever was at home was like, his face was fucked. We beat his ass. So I guess they took him to the hospital and he tells the. Tells the hospital, two guys just beat me up and took my gun. So now the police are looking for us because we're two guys that beat him up and took his gun. We eventually sorted out through lawyers and all that stuff. But, yeah, it was. It was bad. And then did they get this guy? Dude, the target didn't have video. There's no video right there. And the only video that I have is him attacking me. And then the phone drops, so all you hear is stuff. So they gave us all three array charges, and then he's got like, a. Another charge for, like, this, like, discharging a firearm in public or something.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

No attempt of murder even though he shot somebody?

[A]

No. And then he's trying to mine either. What about that?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, nothing.

[B]

Nothing. And I always forget to say this when I tell you the whole story because, like, why the car didn't go over 25. I was stuck in neutral, and I'm so, like, zoned into the world of, like, oh, no.

[A]

Like, you couldn't even shift.

[B]

Couldn't even. Yeah, I was. I was up. So the whole time, I'm, like, stuck in neutral, thinking the car is trash,

[A]

the guy who's killing you, and you're in neutral, bro.

[B]

So I always forget to tell that part. But, yeah, it was stuck in neutral the whole time. Didn't know it.

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[B]

Yeah. We get one guy, and then we're like, that was easy. We go back home to do it again. Caught a guy in, like, 20 minutes at the McDonald's. Did it again, Caught a guy later.

[A]

All these. Even the early ones, videos you have up on your. Yeah. Even back then, too. Yeah.

[B]

Yep. We got all of our videos. And this is. This is a small town. So, like, our look, our closest local, like, news conglomerate is Toledo. So Toledo's coming down, and they're filming. I'm on every single news channel for, like, the next few days.

[A]

Because you've put it out on social media.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And we went super viral. And at this point, I'm still going to college. This isn't, like, something maybe I'm doing on the side. Like, this has been crazy. Can't believe, like, all this is happening. And then covet happens. And then. So our first catch takes place January 21st, 2020. Okay.

[A]

Oh, wow. Right at the beginning.

[B]

Yeah. So code really started, like, March, where they shut down, and we got the stimulus check, me and my boy, and we just put it together, and we're like, he's got a. He had, like, a minivan, and we drove across America and we're like, let's go catch predators. This is the first time that we're catching out of town. Like, let's go catch predator. Indiana, Illinois. We're big Denver Broncos fans, me and him. So we're like, let's go see the stadium. Let's just go drive to the stadium. Like, no football. No nothing's happening. Like, let's just go drive the stadium

[A]

while we're on the road to catch predators.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's go check out the Broncos.

[B]

So we're on our road trip.

[A]

I mean, look, what you're doing is ugly. Yeah, it's the most depressing, terrible. I mean, you know, in the sense that the people you're dealing with, the idea that you could be saving people and helping people's work, wonderful. But the underbelly you got to go into.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Is disgusting.

[B]

It's some micro. It's some dirty job.

[A]

So it's. It's nice to know that you're still able to be like, man, let's go get a. I heard the sandwich shops nice over here.

[B]

Like, God damn, you gotta really turn it off, man.

[A]

So when you put that out there, like, are you. Are you using Grinder still?

[B]

Yeah, we use Facebook Grinder.

[A]

And then we'll say, what? I'm in this town.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you guys drive down and you say this Target or whatever.

[B]

That's what's crazy is 90 of our, like, catch trips, we don't have a single lead. We just show up in the. And we catch guys. What do you mean?

[A]

We don't fish?

[B]

No.

[A]

You're saying you and your buddy get in a car, you drive to Indianapolis.

[B]

We could go anywhere.

[A]

You haven't set it up before you left?

[B]

No.

[A]

And then what when you. You're there? You just set up a thing in the car. You're sitting there in the car and doing.

[B]

Or whatever.

[A]

How quickly from the time you set up an account, do you have someone hitting you up?

[B]

What's so ironic about this is we were filming a documentary that's being edited right now. And we went to South Burlington, Vermont, which if you Google right now, the safest place in America, South Burlington, Vermont, will pick up, like, will show up. We caught a predator there in a half hour.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

Half hour.

[A]

And you were setting up and everything

[B]

there said, why everybody else unpacking our bags? And like, I'm on the phone and got a guy. Yeah.

[A]

And you go get him?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Where?

[B]

At his work. He was at a gas station.

[A]

He said, come meet me here.

[B]

Yeah. They're stupid.

[A]

Come on, dude.

[B]

I caught a guy as a 9 year old.

[A]

Tell me the dumbest one.

[B]

I caught a guy as a nine year old one time.

[A]

What? He was nine. I would.

[B]

My. Yeah, my. My guy was like my decoy was 9 years old. And after this, I'll show you. I'll show you, like the applications I use to applications. I sound like a boomer, but the apps I use to make myself look younger. But yeah, I caught a guy. I was posing as a nine year old and he was in Texas.

[A]

How was he?

[B]

Oh, he's an older one. He was like 70 something.

[A]

70?

[B]

Yeah. And how I. He was in Fort Worth and how I really got him, and this is early on in my catching too is I said I was making Christmas cards and I wanted to send him one and I needed his address.

[A]

A stranger?

[B]

Yeah, and I needed his address to send the Christmas card and he gave me the address, showed up, took a plane, showed up right at his front, front door.

[A]

What do they do that?

[B]

Because that's.

[A]

That is really dangerous. Because the way Hanson does it, it's. This person's coming to their location.

[B]

I think that's almost dangerous. A stent house is pretty dangerous within itself because you're going. They know. They know that it's a potential to be a trap. If I'm just showing up at your door, I could be like, fair enough, Amazon guy.

[A]

They know the lay of the land in their home. They know where all their weapons are. In their home. Yeah, you know what I mean?

[B]

I haven't gone into too many houses.

[A]

You coming to their house?

[B]

That's why I like to do it in a neutral ground like a store or a park or something.

[A]

But this one. You went to his house?

[B]

Went to his house, yeah.

[A]

What happened?

[B]

He ended up live. We ended up finding he was living with his sister and her sister's husband. And we tell them.

[A]

Do they know? Yes. These people know?

[B]

Yeah, I would believe so because he was registered, so he had already done it before. So we ended up, funny enough, we ended up like. He agreed to like go to the police station. So we drove him to the police station. Nothing ever happened.

[A]

What do you mean nothing? This is what's the most nothing ever

[B]

happened and what, what's crazy?

[A]

This guy said I solicited and I'm telling you, I did this. I solicited a nine year old child online. Which is illegal.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I'm confessing it myself. Self.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And nothing.

[B]

Nothing. Yeah. And actually how frustrating is that for

[A]

you to do all this work just to keep seeing them.

[B]

That ties, that ties into the Chris Hansen stuff of like you see Chris Hansen with pred. With police. When we first started, our whole thing was like, yeah, let's get him arrested. Good old boys. Boy scout, man. Like let's get into the proper authorities and call the cops and this and that.

[A]

They're definitely the ones you should have been after the boy Scouts.

[B]

So Yeah, exactly. And I've. We've got, like, police recordings and stuff with the police captain. Basically, they said in Ohio, since it's not a real minor, there's nothing you can do. And a lot of states are like that.

[A]

Since it's not a. What? A real minor.

[B]

A real minor. What the.

[A]

A real minor. It's not anyone under.

[B]

Because there's not a real victim.

[A]

There.

[B]

There needs to be a real victim.

[A]

So just. Ah, I see.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you're not an ass.

[B]

I'm not a minor.

[A]

I see.

[B]

So they need to. There needs to be a real victim. Which in my head, like, it's like, why are we being so reactive instead of proactive?

[A]

If I walk into a bank with a note that said, I'm robbing this bank, give me your money. Yeah. I don't have a weapon. I haven't robbed a bank.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You didn't give me the money.

[B]

I should be able to robbery.

[A]

I should be able to walk out.

[B]

Right.

[A]

What? Wasn't a real robbery. It's just a note that said that.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

So that you'd be arrested on the spot for that.

[B]

Right. On the spot. And there's ways to, like, work or work around it, because the police can do it. I. I kind of left that part out. It has to be a real minor or a police officer. And the police can do it, but for some reason they don't.

[A]

Oh, the police could pose. And then if you do it to a police officer, it's illegal, but the rest of us, it's not. Yeah.

[B]

So that's. Then it's like, okay, so I'm getting frustrated that you guys aren't doing this. And they're like, well, we have groups that are trained to do this. And it's like, well, why am I catching so many? And I've tried to do, like, some places, like Michigan. Michigan's pretty good with arrests and prayers. Florida's pretty decent with the rest of predators.

[A]

Who's not.

[B]

Ohio, Cali, Indiana. There's lots of random places, but, like, Arizona. Arizona. California sucks for. California sucks. Arizona is really bad. There's just random places. And there's state laws. There's so many, like, things that stars have to line up. There's state laws. There's DA's detectives and police. So the police, like, have to make a good case to the detective. The detective has to make a strong case for the D. A. And then, like, the D. A has to make it work within the state law. And then that's just to get a charge. You know what I mean? And I, I'll about a charge and then I'll about the conviction. Like I'm probably a pretty boring annoying guy. But we tried to do everything right with the police and they're telling us, oh, there's nothing we can do, nothing we can do. So we're like, okay, we'll just keep exposing these guys. We're on YouTube at the time before we get canceled.

[A]

YouTube canceled? Yeah.

[B]

YouTube canceled for what? Yeah, bullying. This is before we put hands on anybody. We're just being mean. We're just being mean.

[A]

They're all protecting. Yeah, everyone, every company, all of it.

[B]

It's sad.

[A]

So can I ask you this question real quick? You're doing all that. You ever get in trouble? Have the police ever been like, hey, no, you're the problem. Have you been arrested? Have you been. You have?

[B]

Yeah, I've been arrested with a fourth degree felony for kicking a car. For kicking a predator of a predator. Yeah, I kicked his car and caused 250 worth of damage after insurance.

[A]

And you got arrested.

[B]

And I got arrested with a fourth degree felony which would ruin my life. I'm not a felon, you know what I mean?

[A]

And these guys are literally walking free after they're touching kids and wanting to. Kids. I got, I got a hotel room right here. That's not illegal.

[B]

Exactly. God, what's. Not to get too off track here, but a 50 year old man can talk to an 8 year old girl, name the age, name the miner's age. And he could call her beautiful, he could call her sexy. He could say, when you grow up, we're going to get married. And he can say, we're going to get married now. He can say, meet me at the mall today. They can meet at the mall. He can say, meet me at the mall. I'll buy you the biggest diamond ring you can find. At K Jewelers that's all legal until the guy says we're going to have sex today or they send a naked picture. That's the only thing that makes that conversation illegal. So you have so many of these times where these guys are doing. Yeah. Having these conversations and they know what line they can cross, what line they can't cross. And that's where I come in. Because I. We'll get to the police. Back in a second. But this is a moral and a spiritual crime to me more than it is like a literal crime of like, oh, you broke this code revision Code xyz, you know, and the police won't catch him and if you're a predator catcher that like, oh, I only work with the police. We only try to get arrest like Chris Hansen or something like that. Then those guys just go through the. Those guys are just walking free. They're pedophiles that are free because they have like an over average. Not just a. Just not a below average iq. I wouldn't even say over average iq, just an average iq. And they get to walk free because they didn't say anything sexual. And in my world they don't. In my world they get touched or exposed or whatever you should be doing

[A]

too exposed for talking to a 8 year old.

[B]

You're trying to meet a 13 year old girl and if you got a good reason for it, then fine. Yeah, like then you shouldn't have no problem with me exposing your ass like either. So.

[A]

But let me, let me touch on something. I said this to you before we recorded. You just brought something up too. You said they were smart enough or whatever. I know that what I'm about to say we're dealing with mental illness to begin with, but I had asked you prior like the spectrum of this mental illness. Like some of these men I see, it's always men. Have you caught a woman, by the way? We've got four out of how many? 800.

[B]

Yeah. So. Yeah, not good numbers.

[A]

It's clearly obvious who the fucking problem is on this. Goddamn.

[B]

No girls in the Epstein piles or nothing. So.

[A]

Okay, when you. When I see some of these guys, the difference between a coach, a teacher, a priest, you know, whatever, an adult male who's trying to use their power, their influence or whatever, versus some of these guys I see are clearly mentally unwell, probably can't hold a job. You can tell by the way they dress. They can barely get themselves how. What are we doing when it comes to that? You know, I mean, look, all should be exposed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But when the, the. The system, I guess what happens to like God forbid we were born with a disease where kids are attracted to us. Like I, I say I'd shoot myself, but that's coming from a rational human being.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I'm sure if I'm in that mindset, I'm not wanting to kill myself. Yeah. What do we do about those people who really are probably have been abused for their whole lives as well and they're mentally unwell. Like what do we do about that sector of these predators?

[B]

It's a really good question. I feel like it's not. Not touched on a lot because it's not a sensational but I. I really believe that. Like, yeah, I believe it's a mental illness, but I also believe it's a spiritual thing. I believe, like, they love evil to, like, just fester and build up like a snowball. You know what I mean? I don't think. I don't really know if somebody wakes up one day and is like, I'm attracted to kids, I think it maybe starts somewhere and they just keep on nurturing that idea or something like that. And when you have, like, guys that are, like, queer. Queerly. Clearly have. That's pretty funny, right? Clearly have. What's the word? A handicap, possibly or something.

[A]

Yes. Someone who. Look, everyone does. If I'm a priest or a coach and I'm acting like I'm the pillar of the community and I'm kids, I clearly, I've got a mental illness. Right. But it's a different mental illness than this person added on. That also might have to be. You know, they. The whole thing might be there at home and they need to be taken care of and someone there is abusing them. You know, that kind of thing. So when you encounter that in the wild, how do you discern between the two?

[B]

Yeah, so we just had caught this guy, and he was clearly not there. And he had a caretaker, and he kept telling us he was gonna. He was gonna meet us, and he had to take a van here and there. We were like, this is kind of weird. And we talked to him on the phone, and he kind of. You could tell in his voice and stuff. So we meet him anyways because he wanted to date a little boy. He's sending nude pictures and stuff. And, I mean, he's a menace. He's just. He's a danger. So we meet him at. It's actually is Fort Lauderdale beach. And his caretaker drops him off. We watch the caretaker drop him off. We go expose him. Da, da, da. He's getting, like, angry, and he's denying it. So that's one thing too. Like, I've only caught one guy who was like, let's say this. Let's just use the word spectrum. He was on the spectrum of something. And I'm like, hey, who are you here to meet? And he. The first thing he says, oh, I didn't know it was a boy. He's supposed to be meeting a little girl. He's like, oh, I didn't know it was a boy. And I'm like, all right, you know what I mean? This is. This is. This is some guy that doesn't know what the. He's doing.

[A]

That's what I'm talking about.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Which, which also still. It doesn't mean he's not a danger or anything at all. But what do you do when it's like that?

[B]

When you could tell. Perfect example.

[A]

Mentally arrested, maybe he's nine years old in that human body.

[B]

It's a perfect example. So let's just use that guy. Well, I want to finish the story about the. The Fort Lauderdale beach. So the. We talked to him. His caretaker comes over. We telling her what's going on. She's like, you know, I got a boss too. And there's another guy. She's caretaking for three people. And the other dude. And you could tell he's on the spectrum too. He's like, wait, Daniel's a pedophile?

[A]

And then in the van.

[B]

Yeah. And so he's like, I don't like pedophiles. I don't want to be here anymore. So like, I. I hate that I get messages from so many parents who have like, children that are autistic and stuff like that, that people will go. People will always be like, oh, you know, they're on the spectrum. And it's like, that's how they. You. They don't know what they're doing. It's like, that's not fair to put on somebody just because they're autistic or have Asperger's or something like that, that they're more inclined to be pedophiles. And I think, like, that's really unfair to the parents and like, a lot of people that live with autism and stuff like that, that it's like just

[A]

people on the spectrum that don't touch.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. That all of a sudden that you're like, pre. Pretty, like exposed, like touching people. So that was really cool to see that on camera. But to go as far as how I handle things personally is we had the guy that goes, oh, I know it was a boy. So I end up. This is when I caught in my hometown. So everybody knows everybody. I know somebody that goes to church with his family. So I was able to like, speak with their family. And they go, oh, you know, he. He was never diagnosed with anything, and he's clearly up. But they never took him to the doctor. So he's just a guy living and he don't get Social Security, nothing else to have a regular job. And they kicked him out for something. I forget what the reason was. So he's living by himself. He's like trying to meet little kids. But also, you can tell he's not there. And the police won't do anything because it's Ohio. So I'm stuck. So I don't even post the video because I kind of feel like I wasn't mean to him or nothing. But two weeks go by, he writes another decoy and then does it again.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

And then does it again. So at that point, now I have to post you because now you're dangerous to people. Because these predator catching videos ain't about, oh, I'm teaching this predator lesson. It's about, hey, if you know this guy, stay the away from this guy. This guy's a demon. So it's about the audience. It's never really about.

[A]

It's also for the audience. Me, myself, I'm speaking here for all of us. Like, it's alarming to see how often you got content, bro.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

There's no shortage of this.

[B]

Like, I could post it every day. A guy every day.

[A]

I bet you could do more than one a day for two years. Yeah, I'll bet you you could do. And everywhere. Yeah, everywhere, Everywhere.

[B]

Alaska, Hawaii, Florida.

[A]

Have you caught someone? How many. How many states have you called? Have you gotten somebody in all 50, 33. You want to. You're going to do 50?

[B]

I want. Yeah, I want to get 50.

[A]

Get somebody in Hawaii. Get somebody in Alaska. Yeah, get them all.

[B]

Yeah, we got the hard ones. We got to hit the east Coast. All those little ones.

[A]

What's the most dangerous one? You've had the guy shot at you?

[B]

Yeah, we've had guys pull out knives and chase us and stuff.

[A]

Have you been physically attacked? Anybody jump on you like that and

[B]

go, so one guy punched me back.

[A]

He did, yeah.

[B]

Only one guy. Yeah.

[A]

So here's my question, though, too. You're gaining notoriety now. Yeah, I got a feeling that the predator circle knows who the. You are.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Are you being notified as soon as you walk in now, do people know you like they know Hanson? Oh, I'm talking about the predators.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. The predator's recognized.

[A]

Like, oh, here he is.

[B]

Yeah. Yep, exactly. Because we're. We're the mean guys. Because we haven't really touched on it yet. So if you call the. If I catch a predator right now and call the police, the police are going to come and say, hey, there's not much I can do with this. I have to send this to a sex detective. And a sex detective is. And the police response time. We're here in LA or whatever. It's going to be like an hour and A half. Nobody's hurt. There's not a gun. You know what I mean?

[A]

That's if you get into an accident on the freeway and you call like, is everybody okay? Yeah. All right, pull over and get insurance. They don't even come. Yeah, so come.

[B]

We're. We're looking at an hour and a half, two hour response time. And it's like, you got to keep the predator there because. Or else I'm like. And I have to like, keep them there with like words. I can't restrain them. Now I'm kidnapping. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So. And then you have to wait for the detectives to show up. The detectives are going to come, they're going to interview the predator, they're going to interview me, and my partners are going to take a look at the information. They're going to say, hey, here's a, Here's a card. I want you to email everything that you got to this Dropbox. So like I told you, I went to the safest place in America and I caught a predator in a half hour. So if I'm sitting there catching one predator and I'm there in a parking lot for eight hours waiting on police to do their thing, we realize, like, hey, we can catch these guys. And then at the end of our trip, we just call the police station, get the email and send all the shit their way. And that's what we've done for the past three years, which is why you don't see like the police, like automatically in our videos. And sometimes that happens. Sometimes in a smaller town, the police get called because we're being crazy or something and then they show up. And it is what it is.

[A]

How many of these guys that you're putting on this link in the end, how many are they actually Prosecuted?

[B]

We have 81 convictions.

[A]

You do?

[B]

Yeah. But out of.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I mean, that's like.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Percentage wise, it's not good.

[A]

That's not good. And we had about 10.

[B]

Yeah. And we have.

[A]

But whatever. That's 81.

[B]

I mean, 1% actually, right?

[A]

Well, 810%. Be 80.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right.

[A]

Yeah. Be eight. Eight of them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, you're doing better than you think.

[B]

So, so. And that, that was like early on in the years. And I think a lot of times now police, like, for some reason restrained. Working from us, working with us, I should say. And I look at pedophilia as a power thing. Like, I feel like you see a lot of low life guys and you see a lot of high life guys and not many middle guys. And I believe that's from like a power disparity. So, you know, the. The low level people want to get power by being better than a child. And then you have the powerful people who already have the most biggest bank account. They got the biggest boat, nicest house. It's like, what else can they have power over? Of course, you know what I mean? Something as precious as a child. And I think that's where it comes from. So women.

[A]

Let's talk about the women real quick. You said four?

[B]

Sure, yeah.

[A]

Who are they going for? Are they going for girls?

[B]

Usually it's usually a threesome with a girl with their man.

[A]

Oh, but they want an underage one.

[B]

Yeah. It's all been girls.

[A]

Is that right?

[B]

It's all. We haven't caught. It's never been a little boy.

[A]

Never. Just soliciting one on one. Have you met a girl trying to solicit a girl one on one? Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Never a girl, but usually it's, I'm trying to get a young girl for a threesome. And they don't care that they're underage.

[B]

No. So I never finished that. So we went on that tour where we're catching the Colorado and we got like maybe 5,000, 10,000 subs on YouTube at this time. Super small. We catch this girl named Beth and she goes absolutely viral. World Star, when World star was a big deal and shoots us up, we got like 80,000 subs in like 3 days. Like 3 million views on that one, on that one video.

[A]

And what were you doing now all

[B]

of a sudden, Iowa City. And now all of a sudden it becomes a career. Like now all of a sudden.

[A]

That's the moment it shifted.

[B]

Yeah, that's the moment it became like,

[A]

why did she go viral? Is she fighting you guys?

[B]

She looked like Jim Carrey. Like, her face is. And like. Like she was making, like the craziest faces you ever see. So it was like the mask.

[A]

Jesus.

[B]

It was insane.

[A]

And she's trying to solicit a minor for her and her man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Jesus. And they want a minor. That's the thing that it's not. Like we didn't know. We didn't know. You're 16. They're looking for that.

[B]

Yeah, I never caught it Sounds stupid, but I've never called, like a good person, bro.

[A]

Yeah, it's.

[B]

It's obvious. Like, it's very obvious. You know what I mean? One thing I always tell. Because I have a team that helps me catch predators and they Pose and decoy and stuff. And I always tell them, you know, you can't trick people into being pedophiles. You know what I mean? Like, there's, there's no like wordplay that you'll get somebody like that you'll be. They always be like, I haven't told them yet. I'm working on it. It's like not just tell them either they're pedophiles or they're not. You know what I mean? You can't. Words, you can't just like word your way into like making somebody a pedophile. It don't happen so.

[A]

Well, you're a dad, so here's a two part question. I want to know what you tell your kids.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And then tell us, help us other parents out there. What are you telling kids and what are you telling adults? Do you speak at schools or anything like that?

[B]

I have my first speaking thing coming up actually next year. Yeah.

[A]

Who's, who's giving you a chance?

[B]

Rockford, Illinois.

[A]

Illinois. Was it a school?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Good. Yeah. All right.

[B]

Yeah, I got my first gig.

[A]

I'm sure, like, you're also, you're 20 years younger. Me, so about 32.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Somewhere around that, you know, you're talking to a lot of older people, I'm imagining too, that have gone through what you went through in your life and they're, they're starting to be like, hey, you know what?

[B]

Fuck.

[A]

Yeah. Let's. Let's stop hiding this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's go start talking to churches, specifically Catholic churches.

[B]

Terrible. It's. It's bad. We, we've called a guy. Well, my partner. There's so much to talk about. My partner. He was molested by his basketball coach. He confronted his basketball coach after doing what we've been doing. Yeah. And he got enough, I guess, for lack of a better word, balls to confront his basketball coach. His basketball coach killed himself after the video came out. Whoa. Seven other kids came out and said, hey. Well, seven other men at this point said, hey. He did this to me too.

[A]

Yeah. There's never. You find that out. It's never one kid.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's never, never one.

[B]

And that inspired a kid from our hometown, his name was Logan, who said, hey, this guy who works for the church has been molesting me. We go with him to confront the guy from the church and the guy's like, not right here. It's so creepy. So creepy. It's called Logan's Story. It's the most powerful video I've ever seen in my Life.

[A]

And this is on your YouTube?

[B]

Yeah, well, I don't have a YouTube anymore, but locals and, you know, he's this kid named Logan. He's. He's screaming like, nobody was there to protect me because the church is, like, good for him. Yeah, the church is, like, pushing the bad guy away and, like, protecting him. He ended up going to prison and stuff for all of it, so. He did. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So.

[A]

So what do you tell your kids? What should we as parents be telling our children?

[B]

It all starts off as you got to have great communication with your kids in general to be able to talk about uncomfortable things. I feel like if you don't have good communication, if you can't ask your kid, like, what'd you do at school today? And they say nothing, then you're gonna have problems. You know what I mean? You gotta have, like, a clear communication of, like, they're willing to talk to you. Because at the end of the day, we've all been kids, like, we're not really. If something happens at school, our first person that we're going to talk to isn't our parents about it. You know what I mean? And they don't understand the danger that they're in a lot of times. So it's establishing, like, before this and for everything. It's. It's kind of a boring answer, but it's establishing, like, really good connection with your kids to be able to communicate. And if you have that, then, like, this will be so less likely to happen.

[A]

I mean, I've been telling my daughter since she was 2. Yeah, nobody. It used to be nobody but mom and dad touches your privates. And only when we're bathing you or checking you. And only the doctor if we are present.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Period. Anybody else touches your bathing suit area or asks to see it or anything, you tell us right away because it's not okay.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I don't care who that is in your circle, parent, sibling, relative, friend. No. So I've been on that. But you also were a victim at a time when abstinent applications as you didn't exist. So that was one thing I talked to Chris Hansen about, too, is the DM capabilities on these. Roblox and all these things.

[B]

Fortnite, all that stuff.

[A]

Do you keep your kids off of those?

[B]

Yeah, my kids. My kids ain't allowed to have YouTube. And they're not allowed. Yeah, right,

[A]

right.

[B]

Come home like, hey, turn that the off. No, but they're. They're not allowed to. To do a lot of that stuff. Like, my Son could play games, but he's not allowed to be like in parties unless it's like with me or something like that.

[A]

They don't have Roblox.

[B]

Yeah, that's what they say.

[A]

Now anything with a DM direct message capability is a problem and just a

[B]

big thing that a lot of people, I see some people talk about their revenge point. It's not really in my stuff, but they're, they're like, they'll get kids like 15 year olds, like teenagers, they'll get them to like pose as a girl and then they'll send nude pictures and then they'll say like, hey, we're gonna send all your nude pictures to all your friends, listing your family and stuff.

[A]

This is what Chris Hansen has told us to shit like that about people like, hey, go down the hall and take a picture of your five year old sister in the tub. And then that shit goes on the fucking. Yeah, the web shit you probably know

[B]

about, you know, and it gives.

[A]

And this poor kid is 70 year old, doesn't even know what the they did.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

And then they're getting 100 Robux or whatever. And you know, the other thing too is, and I, and I want to go back to my question because I say, well, what about the severely mental ill? Look, all of this is a mental illness. And the fact that you know, when, when regular people like us, you guys out there, we're getting on an app, we're trying to figure out how to use the app properly. These are way ahead of us trying to figure out how to use it it for their way.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's a whole nother way of learning an application like so to say mentally ill. You're. You're smart enough and well enough to do that.

[B]

Right?

[A]

That's the problem.

[B]

No, for sure. And I think, I think it comes down to like having harsher penalties. Like these guys kind of know that like they're gonna get a slap on the wrist. Like every guy that I caught that I told you about, they bonded out the next day that night. So a lot of them.

[A]

You've had 81 arrested or whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they've all, not all bought. Are any still in prison? Jail. None.

[B]

Because listen, a lot of the times

[A]

tell us how the system.

[B]

The times, I would love to. The times that these guys will get long time without a victim is child porn. That's the only thing that's going to get them.

[A]

They have an actual video or photos. That's it.

[B]

Yeah, that's the only thing that's going to get solicitors.

[A]

Nothing.

[B]

Nothing? Yeah, it's nothing because there's. The judge is looking at it. There's like, there's not even a victim. And even if there's a victim, I. Because the one thing that I've been, I've been doing this a long time and I didn't sign up for it, but like I'm a lot of people's. I don't want to say this like in a kind of anyway, but like therapists, like a lot of people grape me. I've read hundreds of thousands of stories about what's happened to them. Their daughter, their son, their brother, their sister, their mother.

[A]

The cycle.

[B]

Yeah. And just the generational damage that it's done. I've seen it firsthand. I, I think that so many people need help with this and there's just not a place for it. And

[A]

we.

[B]

What's crazy is reported sexual assaults, and this is for the age 12 and over. So this is for the age 12 and over, happens every 68 seconds. And that's reported sexual assaults in America.

[A]

Court reported ones that aren't reported a once a minute.

[B]

Yes. Reported at the age of 12 and over. So like we're having weird, like we down really low that there's a, there's a car accident every 12 seconds. So every time that you turn on the news or we get into, we get into a car, we drive down the highway, there's car insurance, car insurance, car insurance. Why? Because car accidents happen so often every 12 seconds. We see nothing for child molestation and it happens just as much as car accidents.

[A]

And that's the 12 and over. You said yourself you got a nine year old, you guys. So that doesn't even include the.

[B]

Doesn't even include those two. So who knows? Yeah, who knows where it actually brings it down?

[A]

Reported ones. We're not hearing the ones that aren't reported.

[B]

So who knows what it brings it actually down to? So we're at, we're at a moment in time where sexual assaults happen just as much as car accidents happen. And our culture recognizes that. Car, car accidents happen so much that we have car insurance here and lawyers. Because if it ain't a car insurance billboard, it's a lawyer talking about getting

[A]

you money to help you get through it.

[B]

After physical therapist nothing. These whole industries built on car crashes because they happen so often and it's so normal. And if I tell you, hey, I got into a car crash, you're like, you okay, cool. You don't think about it the next because it's a car accident. It happens all the time. We have sexual assaults that happen just as much. And there's no billboard on how to help you. There's no lawyer. Hey, we're gonna get your sexual assault guy. There's no insurance, there's no representation after

[A]

it to help you.

[B]

And so we're living in with such like a. Like it's a, it's a normal taboo. Like it's something that happens every day. It's like pooping. Like we all poop but we don't want to talk about it. Like it's a normal taboo. So like this is happening to everybody around us, to ourselves, our family, but we don't ever talk about it.

[A]

And it's, it's a terrifying time. It is because we're again, we're seeing it with these Epstein files. You can. An adult, they're doing it all the way to the top level, not just arc. I've been saying this for the longest time. People with the whole Trump's in the Epstein file. Yeah, he is. But Americans often are very self centered in the sense that they forget about the rest of the world. Yeah. Donald Trump's in there. Yeah, no doubt. But so are Emirates, so are presidents of other countries kings. All these. It's. It's a global. It's not just the US like that what's her face, douchebag Bondi said. Well if we, we go after everyone, we'll bring down the whole system. Okay. Yeah, sounds like it's time to bring down the whole system and start the over because they're doing it right in our face. It is no longer left and right. And even when I say uber rich man. The athletes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

These hundred million dollar. No, I'm talking about billionaires. Yeah. Billion and trillion. These Rothschilds and Hursts and all these Wells Fargo banks and like those people.

[B]

It starts to get weird when you

[A]

can buy the weather and that kind of.

[B]

You're not lying, brother. It starts to get weird when you just like you. Okay, so you start. Who are we gonna take accountable? So we look at our police and our police spend more resources, more energy and more time pulling people over for

[A]

speeding and oh recently marijuana charges. You're going to prison for years. And if someone can moles. Nothing.

[B]

Yeah. Lanes infractions and all that stuff. And they. And what's crazy is you'll be like, hey, why don't you catch the predators? And they'll be like, oh well we have. It's a, it's a. It's always like A funding issue or we, we don't got enough guys on staff. But you see police parked, waiting for people to speed, and it's you. In my opinion, you have no excuse. If you ask a random person anywhere that you go outside at a gas station, you stand outside a gas Station, you ask 10 people, hey, what's the top three worst crimes? Every single one of those people are going to say, murder, child molestation, rape. You know what I mean? And what so happens, what happens in this country, 30 of murders get solved, less than 10 of rapes get solved.

[A]

I was gonna say rape and child predator.

[B]

And then child predators get to get to walk.

[A]

And a lot of those rapists are raping children. They're the child predators.

[B]

So you have our three biggest problems in America. And our police kind of just goes like looking the other way, like, well, what about this guy speeding, smoking weed? And we go, but what about the pedophiles? But that's, that's the police. And then you have the judicial system where I don't think people really understand what's happening. There is, you will have a guy that will molest a kid. I just seen in my hometown, a guy molested a kid. He was like 30 years old, molested a five year old kid. He did three months in jail, five years probation, and had to register as a sex offender. Do you know what registering as, like this is 20, 26. Registering as a sex offender nowadays literally is like a red mark on an application for an apartment.

[A]

Like, if you don't have to go door to door anymore.

[B]

No.

[A]

Introduce yourself.

[B]

When's the last time a guy came to your door?

[A]

Never.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

The other thing, I go to the thing and I'm like, they're all over my neighbor. So when's the last time near churches? They're all near church, schools, parks.

[B]

So what does the registry do? But you have.

[A]

Can I say one more thing? So I learned about like Megan's Law out here. So many apartment dwellings that I would see like regular stars. And. But then I'd see this big star. I'm like, what the. That? And then you click on. Do you know what that is? That's multiple predators living in the same building. They may not know each other. Yeah. So if the star is larger on the map, that means it could be a home. You know, sometimes they put those homes right in the neighborhood too. And it's like, what are you doing here? Yeah, it's wild, dude.

[B]

It's. It's crazy. So you have judges who are older, you got 70 year old judges, and they're from a different type. Like Jeffrey Dahmers are just a sex event. What did that stop him? And this is where I come to like, high level, low level. If you're low level, you live with your mom, you have no job already. What does being a registered sex offender do to you?

[A]

Nothing.

[B]

Nothing. If you're Jeffrey. If you're Jeffrey Epstein and you can buy any building, you can buy anything that you want. What does being a registered sex offender mean to you? Nothing. So you have these. You have these judges who will hand out a registered. You're. You're a registered sex offender now. And it's supposed to be like the guillotine, but in reality it's like a mouse whisper, like nobody gives a fuck.

[A]

So you're telling me this man physically touched a five year old child?

[B]

Yes, did.

[A]

How much? How many months?

[B]

Three months in jail. Five years of probation and he's out.

[A]

Yeah, but if that man would have had a photo or a video of a child, he's going to prison.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So the. The fact that he actually put hands on someone is less of a charge than a. A digital picture.

[B]

Is that crazy that that's real? You want to know why that?

[A]

Yeah, tell me that.

[B]

It becomes a federal charge because it happened over a computer and probably cross state lines, that's why.

[A]

That's the only snag in it.

[B]

Yeah, for the most part.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, you could, like, it's. It's. It's a way worse charge to have child porn than it is.

[A]

So you molest a child that's inf. Say, I mean, all of it's up. But that's wild.

[B]

It just starts not to make sense. You know what I mean? Starts not to make sense.

[A]

All right, well, we gotta wrap this up here and I'm gonna get you out here. But before we do, I want to know this as a dad.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What are you telling everybody out there? Good communication, obviously. Open lines. Communicate. Talk to your kids about it. Are you seeing that as yourself too? The most people are, you know, it's someone you know in the family or whatever. Because you guys are fishing for different things.

[B]

Dude, we're tip of the iceberg. So if it's that bad, on where

[A]

we're at, like 30 minutes of everyone's still setting up the equipment and you already got one.

[B]

Like, exactly. If it's that bad where we're at, like imagine the real world, you know? So we're just giving. All we do is we give these bad guys Opportunities. So these bad guys are desperate for opportunities, you know, and all we do is give them one opportunity and they jump on it quick, you know.

[A]

So what's your end game with all this?

[B]

Where do you see as it sounds? I want to change the world. I want people to have a more. I want. When a pedophile walks into a building, I don't want everybody else to get uncomfortable. I want the pedophile.

[A]

Well fucking said. I go right back immediately thinking how that piece of shit would still show up at class. I would never. That's how you know something's wrong.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

If you even joked about that, I'd be like, man, I'm. I dropped that class right that, dude. Wow, man, you are just at the tip of the iceberg of this and that's terrifying.

[B]

It is.

[A]

I think we're seeing it around the globe now, man. I hope it all falls down. I hope it all shakes out.

[B]

And if it doesn't now, it never will.

[A]

No, if it doesn't happen, you're right. We know it. They've told us. We've seen it also, you know, our country's blacking out all this and redacting everything. But it's a global file. All it takes is somebody out in Poland to go, hey, they don't want you to see it. Come over here. Here's the whole thing over here. Go poland.gov and you'll be. That's what we need. We need somebody that's not scared to put this out there. Good for you. I know what you're doing is a bit renegade and everything and I hope like hell you stay safe because I can see that popping off sideways for you for sure. Especially from those desperate. Like you said, that guy chasing, I got a family. That's the other thing. You don't think of that. You sometimes think of these loners that do live with their mom, but some of these men have families, good jobs, right. They're. They're pillars of the community, so to speak.

[B]

Yeah, often.

[A]

Dude. Thank you. Thank you for coming on Shed and Light. Before we wrap up, I'm gonna ask you advice you'd give to 16 year old. You want to go by Chewy Mundy?

[B]

16 year old me, man, I was a little badass. Not in a good way either. I was just angry at the world

[A]

and have what already happened happened.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And

[B]

you know, coming from a small town and coming from the situation, I was. It wasn't a lot of hope, you know, I didn't have anybody to look around me and be like, I want to be like him someday. So to like, it sounds kind of like pat my own back, but just be like, you know, just keep on. Keep on believing yourself because you're going to be a man to look up to, even though you don't have a man to look up to, you know?

[A]

Very well said. It's also nice to be that for someone that doesn't have that. Yeah, Good for you. Promote everything one more time. Anything you like. Right here, Right here.

[B]

Shua Mundy on Instagram. S H U A M U N D y see full videos on dads against predators.com and that 2k on locals. You can go on the app or the website.

[A]

Do you have a direct. If any of these parents are wanting to reach out or anything like that, is there a way to get a hold of you?

[B]

Reach out to me. My DMS, I. My DMs get filled, but luckily I have an assistant shout out my boy, Big Tone. And we try to get to everybody as soon as possible. And you really do go through them and read. Yeah, we try.

[A]

I'm sure. I'm sure you're getting bombard. Oh, that's the ugly thing is there's probably no way you can get back to all these people.

[B]

It's so hard because getting back with one message is one thing and then people want to follow up and stuff like that. I try to have resources and try to send people some ways because I know a lot of people struggle with, like having insurance and trying to get to some help. So I try to do my best and send people different ways. And depending on the state or something, I might be able to help you. But DM me any questions that you guys have, whether it's experience you went through or maybe you want a bad guy you want to expose, I'll come with you. You know, we love doing that. So thank you for having me, bro. I appreciate it.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Awesome show. Awesome set.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Thank you. God bless.

[A]

Genuinely. I mean, what you do is. It's also not a. I love my job. I'm sure you love doing what you do, but, man, you are not dealing with fun people.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So good for you. We need people out there that'll go down in that underbelly and expose it. So genuinely, as a father, too, I appreciate you.

[B]

Thank you. I appreciate that, brother.

[A]

As always, Ryan Sickler on all your social media. We'll talk to y' all next week.