The Awakening Within Cells: Healing Breakthroughs No One Can Ignore : 1433

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Human Upgrade with Dave Asprey

Episode 1433: "Hair Regrowth, Pain Relief, and Altered States — The Science Light"
Date: March 17, 2026
Host: Dave Asprey
Guest: Jason Scherka (Author, Philanthropist, Founder of Unified Healing)

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Episode Overview

In this enlightening episode, Dave Asprey sits down with Jason Scherka, a prolific author and the mind behind Unified Healing, to explore a cutting-edge wellness device called the Light System. They delve into how this technology uses light, encoded affirmations, and intentional frequencies to induce altered states, promote self-healing, and even impact physical health—spanning topics from hair regrowth to pain relief, cognitive clarity, and more. The discussion traverses both the scientific and esoteric aspects of biohacking, quantum fields, and energy medicine, blending practical results with philosophy and open skepticism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to the Light System Technology

• Device Description
  • The Light System is a geometric device (pyramid, sphere, etc.) emitting visible-spectrum light with "encoded affirmations."
  • Dave describes the effect: “Some kind of a mix of meditation and psychedelics. And it's not psychedelic, but it kind of feels like it is.” (00:00)
• Origins and Purpose
  • Invented by programmer Robert Religo to enable deeper, faster meditation.
  • Merges consciousness studies, programming, and transcendental meditation.
  • Jason: “It uses light and encoded affirmations to create a coherent environment that your body synchronizes with... for mental, physical, and spiritual healing.” (04:37)

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2. How Does It Work? (Explaining the Mechanisms)

• Light & Encoded Affirmations
  • The visuals are Metamatrix Font—an encoded version of English where affirmations are hidden as non-readable symbols.
  • The font employs both horizontal and vertical linkage—purportedly allowing “more flow of information.”
  • Jason: “If I were to take the keyboard and press a certain button... it would translate all of this into English... you can change it to say what you want.” (06:16)
• Safeguards
  • Negative affirmations cannot be programmed: “The software does not allow you to do it. It's pretty amazing.” (07:15)
• Non-invasive Influence
  • No need to look at or touch the device; proximity is enough (“just have it in the room and it’s on,” 12:58).
• Relation to Energy & Water Structure
  • Builds on Dr. Masaru Emoto’s research: positive intentioned light influences the water structure in the body, improving conductivity.
  • “When you have structured water, you have highways that energy and electricity can flow coherently and flawlessly.” (09:34)

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3. Real-World Effects & Testimonials

• Reported Outcomes
  • Jason: “If you knew me two years ago, I didn't have hair. I was bald. I have hair.” (07:07 & 11:57)
  • Testimonials include reduced pain (e.g., 20-year back pain), enhanced cognitive clarity, improved eyesight, calming of autism symptoms, and even dissolving of fibroids.
  • Skepticism addressed: “I see people that were helpless and hopeless overcome things that their doctor gave them a death sentence on.” (12:38 & 28:26)
• Session Recommendations
  • Benefits observed with as little as weekly exposure.
  • “A general benchmark of 90 days of consistency... but can be once a week or sleep with the device nearby.” (12:58)

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4. Science, Skepticism, and the Nature of Evidence

• Biophysical Effects
  • Studies by Dr. Glenn Rhein show an “80% increase in cell electrical conductivity within one hour” (21:52) measured using Electrical Impedance Spectroscopy (EIS).
  • Dave: “Healthy cells have the ability to either store and forward certain frequencies of electricity or to resist... That tells us how healthy your mitochondria are.” (22:53)
• Types of Fields
  • Discussion of morphogenic, information, and quantum fields.
  • Jason: “It would be a combination of both information and quantum field. Quantum meaning the energy that’s not measurable... call it scalar energy.” (16:23)
• Skepticism & Stories
  • Dave: “If I do this, I reliably get that... and I don’t have a good story to explain why.” (23:59)
  • On the limits of science: “Science is the best story we have for why it works, but it's always subject to another story coming.” (25:45)

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5. Consciousness, Intentions, and the Ego

• The Role of Intent & Language
  • Setting affirmations in effective linguistic forms is key; Dr. Ed Group is developing new ones for integration.
  • “Most people’s intentions fail because they're written in the wrong language.” (54:40)
• Ego and Change
  • “The ego likes closure... but if we can be open enough to say, you know, maybe it’s not true, and let's find a better way, we will advance so much quicker.” (32:11)

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6. Biohacking, Color, and Geometry

• Color & Light as Medicine
  • Color wavelengths align with both chakras (Eastern Medicine) & body systems (Western Medicine); red for circulation, yellow for digestion, green for heart/lungs, blue for thyroid, etc. (19:42, 61:23)
  • “Red fruits and vegetables... is no different than red light therapy.” (20:08)
• Device Geometry
  • The pyramid shape and other geometric forms are intentional; geometry believed to affect biofields and water structure (55:52).
  • “Technology can boil down to a shape that you wear... that will help restructure the water in your body.” (56:10)

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7. Altered States, Neurofeedback, and the Future

• Relation to Meditation, Neurotech, and Autism
  • Dave compares the altered state to his own “40 Years of Zen” program and recent work in neurofeedback and autism recovery (40:15-41:39).
  • Jason: “Children that are nonverbal are able to start slowly speaking again by being around it.” (42:32)
• Open Invitation to Try
  • Unified Healing centers offer trial sessions globally: “...Hundreds of wellness centers around the world, 55 countries...” (59:34)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Encoded Affirmations & Skepticism:

  • Dave: “How do I know it's not saying, like, be a bad person?” (06:55)
  • Jason: “It will reject what you put in if it's a negative affirmation.” (07:10)

• On Personal Experience:

  • Jason: “If you knew me two years ago, I didn’t have hair. I have hair.” (11:57)
  • “After two weeks of having this in my home, it changed absolutely everything.” (12:50)

• On Science and Evidence:

  • Dave: “Science is the best story we have for why it works, but it's always subject to another story coming.” (25:45)
  • “There are seven kinds of evidence and they're all useful. And if you're going to be scientific, you have to be curious and you have to be comfortable with not knowing for sure, but being relatively certain.” (30:28)

• On Biohacking and Technology:

  • Dave: “Biohackers, we're taking control of our own system. And what do hackers do? They also protect systems.” (52:27)
  • Jason: “Manipulation could be a very positive thing too. Like biohacking.” (57:09)

• On Geometry and Reality:

  • “Geometry literally impacts the body... take a geometrical shape and put it on a water bottle, the water will synchronize with the energy...” (55:52)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–05:00: Introduction & description of the Light System, effects on state of mind
• 06:12–10:48: Discussion of Metamatrix font, attempts to input negative affirmations, Dr. Emoto's water experiment
• 11:57–13:14: Jason’s personal story of hair regrowth & testimonials
• 15:51–17:29: Explanation of quantum, information, and morphogenic fields
• 21:07–22:27: Dr. Glenn Rhein’s electrical conductivity research
• 33:41–34:20: The role of ego and being a “master” vs. “servant” of the ego
• 39:16–42:32: Spectrum/savant traits and Light System experiences with children on autism spectrum
• 54:40–55:46: Collaborative advancements (Dr. Ed Group, Robert Edward Grant), manufacturing supplements with supercharged light
• 59:34–60:26: Where and how to try the Light System in global wellness centers

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Resources & Where to Learn More

• TheLightSystems.com — View linguistics/affirmations, device details, and purchase options (Code DAVEASPREY for a discount)
• UnifiedHealing.com — Locate wellness centers worldwide for trial sessions
• Books Mentioned: "Heavily Meditated" (Dave Asprey), “The Language of Energy” (Jason Scherka), “Warrior Mom” (referenced autism recovery)

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Closing Thoughts

Dave and Jason engage in a free-ranging, open-minded conversation that invites listeners to consider technology and healing beyond the mainstream scientific paradigm, while balancing skepticism with personal experience and emerging science. The Light System is positioned as both a technological and philosophical “stepping stone” toward deeper human potential, combining ancient wisdom, modern tech, and the willingness to explore altered states for personal upgrade.

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Transcript

[Dave Asprey]

Some kind of a mix of meditation and psychedelics. And it's not psychedelic, but it kind of feels like it is.

[Jason Scherka]

I could tell you on a personal level if you knew me two years ago, I didn't have hair. I was bald. I have hair. I experience clarity in my brain and cognition that I've never had before in my life. I hear a lot. My eyesight reverse what we're looking at over here. A technology that uses light and encoded affirmations to create a coherent environment that your body body synchronizes with.

[Dave Asprey]

So this is bypassing consciousness entirely and just working on the atoms in the

[Jason Scherka]

body within one hour of exposure to the light system technology, he found that your cells increase their electrical conductivity by 80%. With something that's non invasive, you don't have to do anything. You could simply work around it. I see people that were helpless and hopeless overcome things that their doctor gave them a death sentence on.

[Dave Asprey]

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[Dave Asprey]

This episode is going to be enlightening. See what I did there? If you're watching the video, there is a very unusual device sitting in front of me. A giant pyramid with stuff on it. And when you stare at it, it does something to your brain. And we're going to talk about what that is. And our guest today is Jason Scherka, who's an author and a philanthropist and the guy behind a company called Unified Healing, which just joined Gaia Network, which is really cool. Congratulations on that, by the way.

[Jason Scherka]

Thank you.

[Dave Asprey]

Author of five books on health and Spiritual stuff, we'll put it that way. And he's working with a company called the Light System. And now one of the benefits of being me, along with all the downsides, is sometimes magical things just appear at my home. And I showed up from a trip to, I think, Dubai or something, and I came home and there's this device. I'm like, what is this thing? So, of course, we set it up, and I turned it on. Like, this is very different from any kind of light therapy thing I've ever seen before. Some kind of a mix of meditation and psychedelics. And it's not psychedelic, but it kind of feels like it is.

[Jason Scherka]

It can make you feel like one.

[Dave Asprey]

Yeah. So, Jason, what the heck is this thing?

[Jason Scherka]

So, you know, you look at it and by the way, when I first looked at this technology, I was like, what? What's going on here? You know, how. How can I make sense of this? And I decided to dive a little deeper into understanding it, because I couldn't understand it in the beginning. I just saw something that I liked and that I felt was interesting and doing good things to me because of how I felt around it. But I never really understood it until I did. So a lot of people like using the word light therapy, but it's more than that, because when it comes to. I like using the word self healing, because that's ultimately what's going on. Nobody's healing you. Nothing's healing you. Your body has this mechanism, and if you give it the proper resources and environment, it does what it does best, which is rebalance itself, heal itself. So ultimately, when I saw this thing, I was like, okay, what's going on? How does it work? And the reason why light therapy is a piece of it. But it's more than that. The root of who we are, and I think we can agree on this, is consciousness. We are an awareness. We are consciousness. We are this force or power that animates itself through this physical vessel that we call our body. And we focus so much on the physical body, which is extremely important. But if you do all the physical things right, your mental, emotional, spiritual psyche is not there, not balanced and coherent, you can have problems.

[Dave Asprey]

Yeah.

[Jason Scherka]

What we're looking at over here, in super short, simplified manners, is a technology that uses light and encoded affirmations to create a coherent environment that your body synchronizes with. But it's not just your body, it's your mind. And initially, this was created to by the inventor. His name is Robert Religo. It was created for the purposes of reaching a deeper state of meditation in a much shorter period of time.

[Dave Asprey]

Okay, well, I'm kind of into that. So I started True Light, which is one of the first consumer focused light therapy companies. And this is just from the color of light, right? Red, infrared, amber, things like that. And since that time, there's been all kinds of things coming out, including lasers. We've had on the show where they blink at certain rates, and we're realizing there's intensity and color of light do something to our physical body and our cells. You. And then there's the rate of blinking of the light. But if you think about it more, when you read a book, it's also light therapy in that the light's bouncing off the book and there's information in it.

[Jason Scherka]

Yes.

[Dave Asprey]

Right. So this remarkable looking device, these are not letters that are on it, but when you look at it, I can feel my brain's going into an altered state, which is remarkable. And the whole idea of how do you get more meditation, less time? 40 years of Zen is a company that's based on that. How do I get 20 or 30 or 40 years of meditation in five days? This is somewhere in the middle of all that. But what's it actually doing? These are not letters. It's not Sanskrit. But there's something moving on the screen, and I go into an altered state. That's not like watching tv. Like, what's happening?

[Jason Scherka]

What if I told you they are letters?

[Dave Asprey]

In what language?

[Jason Scherka]

English Encoded. So what you're looking at here is something called the metamatrix font. Just like on Microsoft Word, you have different fonts. So this is a font that translates a letter, like the letter A into a symbol, letter B into a symbol. So if I were to take the keyboard and press a certain button on the keyboard, it would be F11. It would translate all of this into English. What you're looking at before, the light aspect of it, although everything is light, are encoded affirmations intended to target specific aspects of your being, not just your body, but your being. So there are different. What's called linguistics. There's four sets of linguistics that you can choose from on this specific technology.

[Dave Asprey]

How do I know that it's not saying, like, be a bad person?

[Jason Scherka]

A great question. Not only you can translate it to see what it says, but you can actually change it to say what you want it to say. What you can't do is put negative affirmations. It will reject what you put in if it's a negative affirmation.

[Dave Asprey]

So you have software that does like a control system, there's some form.

[Jason Scherka]

Again, I'm not the inventor, but I've tried many times to see what if a bad person takes this, does something bad and gives it to as like a gift to somebody and is trying to do something negative, the software does not allow you to do it. It's pretty amazing.

[Dave Asprey]

Interesting.

[Jason Scherka]

Yeah.

[Dave Asprey]

So what are the types of affirmations that I can't read?

[Jason Scherka]

Well, before that, the reason why the affirmations are so important, you know Dr. Masaru Emoto on the water experiment and in the 90s, for anybody who doesn't know, I'll give the brief history. In the 90s, you had this guy named Dr. Masaru Emoto, Japanese scientist. Well, Japanese businessman turned scientist. And he had a hypothesis. His question was, is it possible for my thoughts, my words, my emotions, my intentions, my beliefs to shift the world around me? And everybody looked at him like, what are you talking about? I don't think that's possible. You would have to touch it. Because as far as everybody's concerned, especially in the 90s, everything's physical. And he said, well, let's do a test. He took two glasses of the same exact water, and it was really petri dishes, but we'll call them glasses. And in one glass, he intended very negatively towards it. He said, you're ugly and you're disgusting and all those things. And then he did the exact opposite on the other side. And he said, I love you and I forgive you and I have compassion and so on and so for. And he took that water and he froze it. And he froze it with the intention of trying to understand or with the understanding that water has a molecular formation to it. And with that molecular formation, you can see if one changes over another. So when he froze it, as you know, he saw time and time again that the negatively intended water was always distorted and ugly, and the positively intended water was always coherent, almost like a snowflake structure. Well, being that we're made of over 70% water and energy and electricity flows through that water in your body. Think of it like a highway or a hose. If you have a kink in the hose or a distortion is actually what's going on, then energy's not going to move. You have something called a dis ease or a disease. It gets stagnant, it gets stuck, and you get sick. The purpose of these positively encoded affirmations all focused on different types of things, which I can explain in a moment, is focus to what it's literally doing right now to me and you and everybody else in this room is restructuring the molecular formation of water in your body, which is one of the basics of health in the human body. When you have structured water, you have highways that energy and electricity can flow coherently and flawlessly, as opposed to the opposite, which would be a dis. Ease or stagnant energy.

[Dave Asprey]

So this is bypassing consciousness entirely and just working on the atoms in the body.

[Jason Scherka]

Working on. Well, you can call it atoms if you want to put it that way. Know, at the same time, while it's. What happens when you structure the molecular formation of water in your body.

[Dave Asprey]

Affects your biology.

[Jason Scherka]

Yeah, affects your biology. And when you affect your biology, you affect your psyche. Because if you're eating McDonald's every day and you're eating garbage every day, that affects your biology, and then that affects your spirituality, which then affects your psyche and your emotions and your behavior and so on. And so. So it's all interconnected one way or another.

[Dave Asprey]

So most people, before they start on some meditation work or something, you kind of believe that everything comes in, is processed through the mind, and then enters the body. And over time, you realize that it's actually the other way around. It always comes in through the body and then appears to the mind. Right. So this is coming in through the body. But I can't say that I'm getting any particular thoughts because I can't read the font. But you're saying the energy, the. The information behind the font is affecting the body.

[Jason Scherka]

So, interestingly enough, the research that was done on this technology that they checked between the Metamatrix font and English font, and for whatever reason, I don't know why the Metamatrix font actually had better actions and implications on the body when you can't read it. Maybe because it's the equivalent of, you know, when you're doing some form of meditation. And there are two options of songs. One song is in English and you understand the words, and the other one is not. And it just sounds to you. The sounds in some cases allow you to drop deeper.

[Dave Asprey]

Yeah.

[Jason Scherka]

So what you're looking at with the Metamatrix font is not just a random font. It's connected differently than the English language. The English language is connected horizontally. The Metamatrix font is connected horizontally and vertically, allowing for more flow. But the inventor, Robert Religo, was into transcendental meditation, and he wanted to find a way to be able to reach deeper states of meditation without all the effort of over and over chanting and allowing energy to flow easier. So that's exactly what was it was intended for, he never meant for it to do what it does today. And I could tell you on a, on a personal level, if you knew me two years ago, I didn't have hair, like no hair.

[Dave Asprey]

Whoa.

[Jason Scherka]

I was bald. I have hair.

[Dave Asprey]

And you think that it's the only

[Jason Scherka]

difference that I made in my life.

[Dave Asprey]

Wow.

[Jason Scherka]

And that's on a personal level, I could share experiences not as, as, you know, medical aspects of things, but more so experiences that people had with their reviews, testimonials, firsthand experiences. You're talking anywhere from back pain that has been there 20 years and you're doing everything you could possibly do and nothing's helping. I've seen time and time again people are coming and saying, I don't know what this is doing and how it works on my body, but I could tell you that after two weeks of having this in my home, it changed absolutely everything. And I'm not dealing with everything that I was dealing with over the past 20 years. It's now going away over time. Some people it happens in a few weeks. Most people it will happen over a span of a few months. I would give a general benchmark of 90 days of consistency. Consistency doesn't have to mean every day. Consistency can mean once a week you're sleeping around it, or once a week you're spending four hours around it and you're doing that consistently.

[Dave Asprey]

And do you have to stare at the light system thing? No, you just have to have it in the room and it's on.

[Jason Scherka]

So think of the sun. Do you have to stare at the sun for your body to produce vitamin D? No, you need to be around it because your body is absorbing that light.

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[Dave Asprey]

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[Jason Scherka]

So so far, what the research shows is so long as it is in the same room with you.

[Dave Asprey]

Okay.

[Jason Scherka]

Of course, the closer you are, to an extent, not directly on it.

[Dave Asprey]

Yeah.

[Jason Scherka]

But the closer you are, the better. In a room like this, it's not going to make a difference. The variance is so little that it really doesn't matter.

[Dave Asprey]

Some people are going to say this sounds like complete bs. Yep. And I will call out that there are three different kinds of fields that are really important. One of them is called a morphogenic field. Rupert Sheldrake talks about those a lot. There's also information field theory, which is the second most likely theory behind how things work. With the first one being quantum fields that are very provable and real and you can mathematically work those out. So do you know, is this an information field thing? Is this a quantum field thing?

[Jason Scherka]

It would be a combination of both information and quantum field. Quantum meaning the energy that is not measurable. So now you're getting more into what's theoretical physics, Something that hasn't been proven through mathematics because it's not linear. Call it scalar energy.

[Dave Asprey]

Well, we actually can prove a lot of that now. Like if you read Robert Lanza's work and all that, you can get a PhD in quantum biology. That's a real thing. And we can measure quantum effects now.

[Jason Scherka]

And then you go to conventional physics and scientists, and they'll be like, those guys are crazy. Even though you can prove it, there's always this. I like doing what I can actually see improve, although I'm all in for all the other things as well. Because you could see them by effect. What you could see in terms of what you can prove here, take the light aspect of it, beyond the informational. Well, lights also information. Different wavelengths are also information. But take the actual light aspect of it. Yeah, you know, if we started talking about red light therapy 15 years ago, most people would look at you and be like, what are you talking about?

[Dave Asprey]

It was absolutely crazy when I started single lasers on the brain. Yeah, I got a lot of pushback for that.

[Jason Scherka]

And. And over time that changes because now red light's accepted. What is it? Well, it's pretty simple. If you break it down not to all these, you know, big scientific terms, but just, I'm a lay person. I'm not a scientist, I'm not a doctor. I'm a curious guy and I like trying to understand things. So when it comes to red light therapy, the body is made up of matter. Matter is made up of atoms. Atoms have vibrations. That's how they work. And vibrations are vibration, energy, frequency. So back to Nikola Tesla. Think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration, you'll understand the secrets of the universe. That was one of his quotes. So how can we understand red light? And then how can we expand to understand this even more? Red light, what is color? It's a wavelength. It's a length of a wave of energy. And the difference between red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet is a different energy, a different wavelength, as you. Red is X nanometer to Y nanometer. Call it 600 to 700, just for argument's sake. In nanometers, violet would probably be closer to 300-400nm. And each one will synchronize with the body and help rebalance certain parts of the body. So one of the books I wrote is Called the language of energy. And I love color because I used to not understand color, because in kindergarten they taught us Roy G Biv and that's kind of where it ended. But if we take it a step further, let's look at color and then let's look at the energy centers of the body. So in eastern medicine you have chakras, energy centers, and in western medicine you have systems in the body. They're not two separate things, they're just different words explaining the same thing. So your digestive system, what we call the digestive system in western and eastern would be your solar plexus. But then we got to ask ourselves, why isn't this the coolest thing in the world? Why is it that they specifically highlighted the thousands of years ago, highlighted these seven different energy centers. They go in the exact order of Roy, Gba, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. And they associate different organs in the body with different colors. Well, maybe because color is an energy. And what they were really trying to tell us back then that we lost in modern day and are now starting to remember and regain is the fact that each organ in the body has an optimal frequency. So I took that a step further. That's real?

[Dave Asprey]

Yeah.

[Jason Scherka]

If that's the case, then could it be that red foods, real foods, red foods, are good for blood flow, circulation, inflammation? Could it be that yellow foods are good for your digestive system? Could it be that green foods are good for your heart and your lungs? And lo and behold, that's exactly what it is. Cherries, strawberries, cranberries, lower inflammation. That is no different than red light therapy. There's red light therapy in nature. It's called red fruits and vegetables.

[Dave Asprey]

Wow.

[Jason Scherka]

And those fruits and vegetables specifically, like cranberries, will lower inflammation in the body.

[Dave Asprey]

And it's interesting, what are polyphenols, colored compounds in those things which have chromophores on our cells, which are light receiving molecules or receptors. So those polyphenols that feed your gut bacteria that also make light, like there's, there's a lot of light that's a part of our system that we'll say in the last hundred years of western medicine. It's like, no, it's all chemicals. And before that there was a bunch of people saying, no, it's all actually electricity. But it turns out we're chemical, we're electrical and we're light, and we're magnetism based and probably some other stuff, but at least we know those are all real and they're simultaneous signaling systems in the body and outside the body as well.

[Jason Scherka]

You know, you brought up the word electricity and I want to hone in on that for a second because what you're looking at again with the colors red light, but this is full spectrum light. So you're touching all aspects of the visible spectrum.

[Dave Asprey]

There's no UVB and infrared in this. It's not full spectrum.

[Jason Scherka]

Well, full visible spectrum. Okay. Visible spectrum is what I'm talking about. Yes. So red, orange, yellow, green, blue and to go violent with the ones you can see on the visible spectrum. Now with that, with electricity. There's a. He's a Harvard trained, Stanford trained. I know he's a scientist. Exactly which type he is. You can look at his studies on their site on the lightsaber system website. But his name is Dr. Glenn Rhine and he's been doing this for like 50 years. Dr. Glenn Rhine did a study on this technology and he's actively doing studies right now on the technology as well. And what he found, and this is like the base of it all, is that within one hour of exposure to the light system technology, he found that your cells increase their electrical conductivity by 80%.

[Dave Asprey]

And do you know what that measure is?

[Jason Scherka]

What do you mean?

[Dave Asprey]

Like what do you use to measure electrical conductivity?

[Jason Scherka]

He uses a method called the electrical impedance spectroscopy method. EIS method.

[Dave Asprey]

Okay, got it.

[Jason Scherka]

And he sees how much is it impeding or not impeding. And that's how he can measure the aspect of how much more conductivity is there.

[Dave Asprey]

And by the way, if you go into an upgrade labs location, we use an impedance measure of electrical output of the cells. That's one of the ways we're scoring your biology to figure out what biohacking interventions work. So that is real science.

[Jason Scherka]

So EIS method is what he uses. I would actually be interested in your lab to be able to, however you measure, whatever you measure to do, stay away from it for a few days. Let's say shut it off, turn it back on, spend an hour, measure before, measure after, and see the level of impedance, 80% increase in one hour. With something that's non invasive, you don't have to do anything. You could simply work around. It is an incredible situation.

[Dave Asprey]

That's remarkable. Yeah. Bottom line is healthy cells have the ability to either store and forward certain frequencies of electricity or to resist, thus impedance certain frequencies of electricity. So we actually run a bunch of very, very low level current into your system to figure out how it handles it. And that tells us how healthy your mitochondria are so.

[Jason Scherka]

Yeah, that's really awesome. The goal is ultimately to increase the energy output in your mitochondria because the more energy your body has to be able to do what it does best, which is heal itself, the faster it will heal itself. And I say heal itself because I don't want people to look at this and be like, wow, this thing is like healing me. I don't buy into that paradigm at all. Your body is the greatest form of technology there is. And there are a lot of stepping stones out there that we can use technologies out there that we can use use to catalyze the process. But we can't be fooled. And we can't think that our body's not doing it itself. We are giving it the proper tools to do it. The body is ultimately this magical, divine tool and form of technology that's really doing it.

[Dave Asprey]

That's how it is at the end of the day. And it gets so messy because we have this hardcore Western, rational science, which I'm a fan of. If I do this, I reliably get that that's kind of the scientific method. And what really messes with people is if I do this, I reliably get that. And I don't have a good story to explain why. So a lot of people will say, well, if there's no mechanism of action, it's not real. And that's actually really weird because what if we just don't know the mechanism of action? As long as it works, it's okay. So one of my favorite things, when people are really rigid and they're saying, well, I know that. I can see that it works in studies, but. But I'm not going to believe that it works without that evidence or without that. Sorry, there is evidence, but without the mechanism, I say, oh, you need a mechanism. Okay, leprechauns. And then they get outraged. They go, well, look, every mechanism that we have in science is a story about how we think it works. But most of them get disproven in 20 years. And then we have a better one actually know. I was on stage at a consciousness conference a couple years ago and I said, I know I will be misquoted about this. And I was on with a bunch of PhDs and I said, but science is bullshit, right? And they're looking at me kind of offended. And yes, I was helping the audience be interested, but I said, here's why. Because science is the best story we have for why it works, but it's always subject to another story coming. So it's not that this is proven in science. It's that we believe this is the story until proven otherwise. So it's incredibly useful. And I am a scientist, and at the same time, I recognize that how we think it works might not be how it works because we have Newtonian physics.

[Jason Scherka]

I was just going to say that with time.

[Dave Asprey]

Yeah. And then it was absolute.

[Jason Scherka]

Now it's relative. Like, what is that? Yeah.

[Dave Asprey]

And then, like, everything changes and it's going to keep changing. And I'm pretty sure that we're going to move more and more into an understanding of quantum reality. But I could be wrong. And all of that is also a story. And who knows behind all that? Maybe it's all turtles. Like, we just don't know. It's okay that we don't know. Right. But as long as if you do this, you get this and we get better at doing this to get more of this, that's evolution.

[Jason Scherka]

If we're talking more on, like, the who we are and how things work. Take the ego. In psychology, the ego is not a bad thing. It can just take over you if you don't know how to control it and how it works. The ego likes closure. The ego likes certainty. The ego creates this story of exactly what you just said of this is how it works. Because it. I mean, then what would anything be if we don't know exactly how it works? And there's a beauty in uncertainty, but with that, we also need some form of structure while also understanding that there's uncertainty every step of the way. So I like looking at two things. If we only look at studies, we all know that studies can be manipulated. And. Oh yeah, okay, so that's not enough.

[Dave Asprey]

I mean, Big Pharma would never do that or get fined like $50 billion for lying in studies. I mean, heaven for. Oh, wait, did happen.

[Jason Scherka]

Yeah, you know, so. So we have studies and then we have real life experiences. And I mean, not to go too much into this topic, but let's look at what happened four years ago in 2020. The science was saying, do this, do this, do this. But the experiences were saying, no, this is what I'm experiencing.

[Dave Asprey]

I'm pretty sure that that six feet of social distancing, that was totally science. It was maybe made up. Fauci admitted he made it up, guys.

[Jason Scherka]

So it's like, like, you know, I understand the need for structure. And structure comes over time, especially with ever changing understandings of how the world works, how energy works, how reality works. Those things are changing every single day. And not so much changing, but evolving every single day. What I like doing is twofold. And I think this is, in my opinion, the healthiest way to go about anything out there. You look at the science, which you know is gonna change over time. And then what I actually put above the study is what is happening to everybody around the world that's experiencing it, that are not paid actors, that don't know each other, and what stories can we make from that? And that's what brought me to this technology. Because when I see people that I know don't know each other, from Iceland to all over Europe to Africa to South America, to every state in the United States, these are people that don't know each other. And everybody's saying the same thing. I experienced relief and pain in my body. I experienced a deeper level of meditation. I experienced clarity in my brain and cognition that I've never had before in my life. I hear a lot. My eyesight reversed.

[Dave Asprey]

Interesting.

[Jason Scherka]

I hear a lot. My hair grow. I experienced that one on my own. And then you have the more extreme situations, which sound few and far between, but I hear them all the time. I had a cystic fibroid in my uterus that was X amount of centimeters. And the doctor said, you're going to have to to do this surgery, and it might be this disease or whatever it is. And in some cases, the best cases are a few hours, all the way to a few months, all the way to a year. People are dissolving that now. Is it the technology that's doing that? No, your body knows how to do that. But you need to give your body the proper environment to do that. So beyond any study, studies are great, and they're very important. I like listening to people's experience on the ground and what I see myself, because I'm a skeptic at heart. I come from a real estate family. I'm in the business world, not in this world. But this is my passion. And it's even stronger now because I see people that were helpless and hopeless overcome things that their doctor gave them a death sentence on. And that, to me, is worth traveling the world for and speaking about. Wow.

[Dave Asprey]

It makes so much sense, because if people are talking about getting results over and over, it's a form of evidence called clinical evidence. And it's so funny, if I see a study from big pharma that says that this thing does something or another, that's good evidence. It's not better evidence than if 100 longevity doctors, like the ones I work with, all the Time are saying, well, I tried it and it doesn't work, but this other thing does work. I'm going to go with what the doctors see in the real world.

[Jason Scherka]

Yes.

[Dave Asprey]

And that's another one of those problems with science. And by the way, the New York Times did misquote me and saying, dave Astre says science is bullshit. I was like, see, I told you you'd do that. You can't help it because you're the new Times. Right. So bottom line is there's seven kinds of evidence and they're all useful. And if you're going to be scientific, you have to be curious and you have to be comfortable with not knowing for sure, but being relatively certain.

[Jason Scherka]

For now, I think the biggest danger is, let's go back to, you know, Newtonian physics. Time is absolute for 264 years. That was the thing. And in the best colleges and universities at the time, around the world, where the scholars were coming from, all around the world, that's what was taught. And then Einstein, this little kid at 20 years old, comes and says, listen, that's not true. Here's the formula. They wanted to kick him out of school. As a matter of fact, they did. The professors told him, you're crazy. They didn't want to talk to him. Everybody completely ousted him. Not because he was wrong, but because what does it mean if he's right? And I'll tell you what it means. It means that for 264 years people have dedicated their lives, taught millions of students something that wasn't correct.

[Dave Asprey]

Yep.

[Jason Scherka]

And that is scary. And I get it. But if, to your point, if we can go into. As for the scientists and doctors out there, if we can go into our studies and our analyses and whatnot and say, you know, this is what we understand now, not with this conviction of this is the absolute truth. Truth. You don't know that. Here's what we know now. Here's where we're at now. And when we find something better, or if we find a better way of doing it, it's not that we were wrong because we never said we were right. That's the problem. It's the ego wants to be right. So we say we're right and this is it. And anytime. And we make it a part of our identity, and anytime somebody comes and challenges that belief, they're no longer just challenging a belief, they're challenging you as a human being and your identity. Identity. And that's why most people resist so many things. I think the biggest problem is making a Belief, a part of your identity that may not be true. And when we can be open enough to say, you know, maybe it's not true, and let's find a better way, we will advance so much quicker in this world.

[Dave Asprey]

Yeah. It all comes down to ego awareness. And the ego is really, at least in, in my work, it's the operating system that keeps your body running and safe. And the problem with the ego is it's based on bacterial consciousness. It's really fast, and it's really simple and stupid and has the ability to make you feel things in order to control you. So that explains a lot of the weird, esoteric things about ego and a lot of psychology. There's a reason for it. And if you believe everything that your body is making you feel, you'll probably end up kind of crazy and narcissistic. So you just have to be calm and go, huh, I wonder why my body's doing that right now.

[Jason Scherka]

Yeah. And I think with the ego specifically, so many people say, you know, the ego's bad and you need to have an ego death. I don't believe that. I think the ego is the part of you that's going to cause you to run away from a bear that's running after you. Because the ego believes that when your body dies, you die. The soul understands differently, but if you were just operating from this time is an illusion and death is, is an illusion. I agree. But the ego is the mechanism that cannot understand that and should not understand that because it invokes fear. When there's a dangerous situation, ego death

[Dave Asprey]

is actually very easy to achieve. You just have to die because the ego is inherent to having a body. But you can have a well trained and controlled ego, or you can have one that's out of control. But if you have a body, you have an ego.

[Jason Scherka]

I like saying you can either be a servant to the ego or a master of it.

[Dave Asprey]

There you go.

[Jason Scherka]

And I choose to be a master of it. Live in this world. Don't try to escape the matrix and all that stuff that some people say. There is a world that we're living in in physical reality. It's not real fundamentally, but we experience it as our reality. Understand the rules, understand the laws, understand the foundations that make it up, and become a master of this game so you can have fun while living instead of just, you know, being this. Can I get lucky? There is no luck. There's cause and effect. And if you understand cause and effect, well, then you can reverse engineer, produce a cause to render your desired Effect, it's no longer lucky, it's science.

[Dave Asprey]

I want to go back to the light system device that I'm staring at here.

[Jason Scherka]

Yep.

[Dave Asprey]

How the heck did the inventor come up with this?

[Jason Scherka]

It's a good question. I interviewed him, I've had conversations with him, and I want to give a background on him real quick.

[Dave Asprey]

Sure.

[Jason Scherka]

This is not a doctor, this is not a scientist. This is a programmer. He had two interests in life. Today he's about 74, 75 years old. So when he was programming back in the 80s, it was a completely different world than it is today.

[Dave Asprey]

Yep.

[Jason Scherka]

And in the 80s, which was. Or 70s or 80s, around his 20s was when, according to him, with his story that he shared in the interview that I did with him in the podcast that I did, he started listening to different individuals on the radio. I'm forgetting that there was. Was a main guy. He's no longer alive today. I don't know why I'm forgetting it. But one of the big guys in the spiritual movement in the world at the time, and he got into it. Now, while he got into that, he was already very interested in programming computers, things like that. This is when it was all beginning, in the very, very beginning. And he had a natural gift for it. So you take a guy that became a very, very good programmer over a period of time and has a very deep interest into meditation, transcendental meditation, so on and so forth, and he decided to combine his understanding of the two to create or use his expertise in programming at the time to create something. The way he explained it is he's sitting there chanting for so long with tm, and it's like it's so much effort, and he wanted to find a way without all that effort. Let's do it effortlessly. What if there was a way to create a field or a device using his knowledge and experience when it comes to programming, to expedite and catalyze the process of TM or meditation in general. And that was his purpose. So anywhere from the font, why did he use this font instead of English? Because it doesn't, as I said earlier, doesn't just connect horizontally. It connects horizontally and vertically. And in the field of information that has an impact, there's more of a flow. It's not just the this way. It's always.

[Dave Asprey]

And he figured that out because he just felt it, because he's used to the TM state.

[Jason Scherka]

It was intuitive. So this is not. This guy didn't go to school to figure out how to do this specifically. He combined it was a combination of his experience in programming, his knowledge and understanding of spirituality and transcendental meditation, and combining the two with intuition that was definitely a part of it along the way.

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[Jason Scherka]

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[Dave Asprey]

A lot of people don't understand the history of software development and consciousness and altered states. But it's always been in there, especially in the very early days. And I'm that weird person where When I was 8 years old in 1980, I had my own computer. This was a pre DOS computer. In fact there were about $5,000 in 1980s dollars. And just because my dad worked in the field. So I got his hand me down and so I was submitting typed homework and my teacher's like what is this? This isn't what normal people do. And even one of the Microsoft founders bought my crib. Cause my mom was the first employee of the company that became Microsoft. No, she didn't get stock options. She answered the phone when she was pregnant with me. But you look at Steve Jobs, you look at all of the. They all had psychedelic experiences. They were all doing weird TM and meditation. And this is kind of the, the idea of wizards. A lot of the early software people were practicing esoteric things. Some of them identified it and others were just there. And even language casting spells. Another story from back in the the day there was a Jesuit priest who'd studied languages extensively and interviewed for a job at one of the national laboratories to write software. And they said, well, do you know any languages? He said oh yeah, I know Latin and French and you know, five other languages. They said no, like software. He goes, well how hard could it be? Just give me a book, I'll write the code tomorrow. And he goes home and he reads a book on it and comes back and he's like writes full code.

[Jason Scherka]

That's the kind of person Robert Rellie.

[Dave Asprey]

And they're saying how could you do that? He said well, it's a really simple language compared to French. How hard is it? So these are unique minds, often on the spectrum and they're not in the reality that you And I regularly experience,

[Jason Scherka]

often on the spectrum is a big one. And they see things differently. When I asked him, like, what is this behind all what I'm seeing, the way he explained it, and I'm still diving deeper into this myself. But he explained three different planes. The physical plane, the astral plane, and the causal plane. And his goal was to use the physical plane as an entry point to then reach the astral plane, which ultimately goes to the fundamental reality of it all, which is what he calls the causal plane. And I've looked into this myself after he explained that to me. But ultimately, if you were to ask him and how he explained it in my podcast with him, it's a device that is used to interact with the causal plane. For anybody that, that would resonate with, that understands that it's interesting stuff.

[Dave Asprey]

It is really interesting stuff. So I, I used to have Asperger's syndrome, so I was on the spectrum, I'd say used to, because, well, you can go back and reprogram all that stuff. And I did. It was a lot of work and I've done a whole couple episodes on it. And very recently people have been talking about the telepathy tapes.

[Jason Scherka]

Yes.

[Dave Asprey]

And this is where they're finding kids on the spectrum who have really provable and incredible, we'll call them superpowers. And it just so happens that my lead neuroscientist at 40 years of Zen is one of the neuroscientists in the telepathy tapes. So I've been working for 10 plus years using neurofeedback to get the signal coming off people's brains to turn on superpowers, including my own. And it's, it's remarkable what happens here. And sometimes we don't know why, but usually we. There's enough of a pattern that if you have a good pattern, match your brain, which I retained from having been on the spectrum, you can figure it out. You might not know all the whys, but you know, if you do this and you do this, you get this.

[Jason Scherka]

I don't think I've ever heard somebody saying, having been on the spectrum in past, which is amazing.

[Dave Asprey]

It triggers a lot of people. I do not meet the clinical definition of it. Some of my structures of reality come from having a brain that evolved that way. But I mean, fixing your mitochondria and then reprogramming all of your senses, it was a 10 year journey. It's just a lot easier when you're young. I just had Tracy on the show who wrote Warrior Mom. And she reversed her son's autism. And so many people are doing it these days. It's just easier to do it when you're young. And better yet, how about we don't create a toxic environment that triggers autoimmune, mitochondrial and all these other things, neurological inflammation, but it's recoverable for most people. It's just expensive and painful.

[Jason Scherka]

Well, I'll tell you one thing that I've seen firsthand. Children on the spectrum. Autism, specifically non verbal. Yep. And we're talking about in like in some cases immediately, in some cases a few hours, in some cases a longer period of time. And this is. These were one of the craziest situations I've seen. Less crazy, but still amazing are sometimes you'll see those children who are very gifted but they have these things going on. They can't calm down and they're running all over the place and they don't know what to do. You bring them into a room with one of these. I've seen it with my own eyes. They could sleep calmly for one of the. Their moms are looking like, what's going on? How is this. But one of the most incredible ones is, and I've seen this several times in my experience with this technology is children that are non verbal that are able to start slowly speaking again.

[Dave Asprey]

Wow.

[Jason Scherka]

By being around it now, how can you make sense of something like that? And that's where there's this intangible aspect that's going on physically. It may be metals in the brain, you know, certain clogs in the brain, so on and so forth that will, this will literally help your body detox. And that's why after this you want to do something like a salt bath. There are certain formulas that are on the website that will help detox specifically through your hands and your feet to be able to get rid of a lot of the garbage that gets loose during a session or during your time around one of these. But seeing children be able to come back to being more verbal than they were before because of the autism in some cases is, is just rewarding.

[Dave Asprey]

It's.

[Jason Scherka]

It's incredible.

[Dave Asprey]

What's the website, by the way?

[Jason Scherka]

The website is the light systems in plural, the light systems dot com. And you're going to see a bunch of different things. This is, I would say this is like one of the flagship shop.com the light systems dot com.

[Dave Asprey]

Okay.

[Jason Scherka]

They do have a shop as well with the medallions and the bracelets, which is a whole other conversation to speak about.

[Dave Asprey]

And by the way, guys, it's the LightSystems shop DaveAsprey, or just use Code Dave Asprey, and they'll give you 250 bucks off if you want to get one. So thank you.

[Jason Scherka]

Oh, you see, I didn't even know that. That's amazing.

[Dave Asprey]

I'm just making sure that anytime someone comes on to talk about a technology, I'm like, give a discount to listeners. And it helps us support the show, too. So thank you 100%.

[Jason Scherka]

Thank you.

[Dave Asprey]

And, yeah, this is pretty weird. I mean, I've had this running in my living room and had it running up at 40 years. Is in. And you stare at it. I'm feeling something happen in my brain, and I'm not quite sure what it is. It's definitely an altered state. And it almost feels like some of the CAP training that we do, where we're getting 20 channels of electrical stuff. And you're not intentionally trying to do something, but you feel the brain reorganizing itself, and this is doing something in that same neighborhood. It's. It's pretty unusual. So why couldn't you just have the same thing running on a phone? Do you just look at your phone?

[Jason Scherka]

So a few different purposes. Number one, the size. So when it comes to photons, this is working on something called biophotonic light, which, in English, for anybody that's watching, is really just photons are like your particles of light, you know, your aspects of light. Biophotonic. It will interact with your biofield and help change certain things or rebalance certain things in the body. So this specifically, the screen size, technically, you could have one massive screen on one side and one massive screen on another side. The bigger the screen, and that's the difference between the different products that they offer. So you have your cube, your pyramid, your sphere, your chair, and then the much bigger systems that will require a bigger room to be able to host them in, as opposed to something like this. This, if I'm not mistaken, is about 1100 square inches, whereas a cube is about 600 square inches. In terms of surface area, the more surface area, the more photons.

[Dave Asprey]

Okay.

[Jason Scherka]

The brightness also impacts not the number of photons, but the quantity. I'm sorry, but the. The intensity of those photons. So the brighter, the better. This is already preset.

[Dave Asprey]

Okay.

[Jason Scherka]

Technically, you could take on a phone. It's not going to do much. You could take two big screens and operate it that way, and when they're facing each other, it's even stronger. That's the difference between this and the Bigger systems, this, you have outwardly facing screens. The bigger systems will have screens that are facing each other. And if you follow Dr. Glenn Ryan's research, you'll see that when you have two identical light beams that annihilate each other, it creates what's called a null zone. And that null zone allows your body to calm down, your nervous system to calm down a whole lot faster. So, number one, ideally, on the bigger systems at least, you're going to want them facing each other. And that's part of the installation process, how they actually do that and how that whole thing works. When it comes to the structure itself, you also want something that will cover as much of the room as possible. So one screen will face one way.

[Dave Asprey]

Okay.

[Jason Scherka]

On all of the. Whether it's a cube, a pyramid, a sphere, you're seeing that the light is going out in all directions simultaneously on the sphere, in all directions, including up and down, because of how it's built. So you could do it that way. It's not part of the model of the light system as a company, but arguably, technically, it is possible.

[Dave Asprey]

Some people say biophotons. That sounds like nonsense, but here's the deal. Your mitochondria make meaningful numbers of biophotons. Your gut bacteria makes about 400 times more than that. And your cells and bacteria have chromophores that receive biophotons. Your DNA makes about one biophoton every 40 seconds. That is measurable. And I have actually looked at investing in a company run by two PhD quantum biologists that is actually measuring and reading the information and biophotons coming off of cells, modifying it and sending out back into cells to treat cancer. So you could say, yeah, biophotons are fake. No, that means you just aren't well read. That's what it comes down to. Biophotons are absolutely real. They're critical for biology. And it's one of the reasons that sunlight's important.

[Jason Scherka]

Yes. And again, my personal experience, and I can relate to a lot of the audiences that may not understand it because I didn't when I first saw this. Again, I'm like, what is this, David? Doesn't make any sense. It's not that it doesn't make sense, it's that I did not have the tools and the knowledge to be. Be able to understand it. And as I dive deeper, it actually teaches you a lot about life, right? Because when you understand the inner workings of this, what this is doing is literally replicating natural processes. Now, in the best optimal world, we Wouldn't need any technologies or anything outside of us because we could do it all. In a world where our skies are sprayed, our sun is dimmed, our water is not water anymore, our food is not food anymore, we have all these stressors. We're going to need to use stepping stones in order to get to what I like to call this ultimate destiny. And the ultimate destiny is a world where we're not sick and there is no diseases. And I believe that that's possible. The problem is we are doing so many things against nature today that it completely, I mean, not you in this situation, but shoes. What is that?

[Dave Asprey]

Yeah, I'm barefoot right now.

[Jason Scherka]

You know, you're, it's like you're walking on plastic, you're sleeping on plastic, you're breathing in toxins. Nothing makes sense anymore in the world. But in a world like that, take vitamin D supplements. Ideally you should be able to get everything from the sun, but when you don't and you have certain issues going on, you live in a place like New York. Because don't live in a place like New York. I moved from New York. But if you live in a place like New York, you're not going to get that much sun. You live in a place like Norway, you're not going to get as much sun, your vitamin D levels are going to be lower. So, so in a world like that, where we're sleeping in homes, I'm not saying go back to cavemen. We're going to need to supplement certain things in order to rebalance that. So just like your vitamin D is the supplement, this is the supplement. But it's a supplement for your energetic environment, which arguably is the most important thing there is.

[Dave Asprey]

I agree the energetic environment has to be set up right and we don't understand that much about it. But I, I do know that, that there's dozens of them I've come across over the last 20, 30 years that seem like they shouldn't work, but they do in double blinded and clinical trials and things like that where going. It doesn't make sense given what I understand. But if you're a scientist, if you do this, you get this and you're saying, well, I don't like that result. That can't be. Therefore it isn't. That's just your ego. And so I'm totally open to this. I can tell there's something going on and I'm willing to believe the things you're talking about, about. But I'm also going to experiment and verify for myself. Please do and so I'm intrigued. And I have a pretty good track record as a futurist. The first E Commerce on the planet was out of my dorm room before we had a name for E Commerce. The first product ever sold before the browser existed was a T shirt that said caffeine. My drug of choice. And I didn't know that was going to be a big deal. But I'm like, it's just the thing. So creating biohacking and all that, I've been saying for about 15 years now that, okay, light therapy in and of itself is important because getting the color of the light, the spectrum in, that's step one, right? And we know ultraviolet is important, we know infrared is important, and red and all the different colors. But the second thing is putting information into the light, and this is making the light blink at a certain rate. That actually changes very fundamentally what happens. And the next level beyond that, which is what we're stepping into here with the light system and some other things that are out there, it's how do we put more complex information into the light so that it gets into our cells? And our cells are conscious. They're directly conscious. In fact, my most recent book, Heavily Meditated, became the bestselling philosophy book in the country.

[Jason Scherka]

Wow.

[Dave Asprey]

And it's an altered states meditation book. But like, I wasn't expecting that. But the Dalai Lama's best friend and co author, Victor Chan, just said, dave, now that I've heard this theory about the ego and it coming from mitochondria and bacterial behaviors, it makes all the stuff the Dalai Lama's been saying for the last 50 years make more sense. Because there is an operating system in the body and it is partially light based. And it's possible to communicate with it in a way that's not conscious by design. Because the body and the ego are pre conscious and they're not in the mind, they're in the body and eventually end up in the mind. And then we take credit for it in the mind to think, look what my ego's doing.

[Jason Scherka]

And it's just not like that subconscious becoming conscious. But those are the planes that we got to work on because that's the majority of what's really going on. That that thing that makes your heart beat and your blood flow, that's not a conscious thing that you're doing. It's this mechanism that's built innately into

[Dave Asprey]

it, is its own consciousness that's doing it independently of you, which is kind of scary. Like what? There's another consciousness running my Body, of course there is. Like you're not squeezing your sphincters right now. And if you are, you're probably enjoying it. But that's just a few of the sphincters you have, because the rest of them, you don't even know where they are. Right. So that's a good thing. But it also means that you're subject to manipulation. And if you're subject to negative manipulation, you ought to be subject to positive manipulation. And why is it called biohacking? What do hackers do? We take control of systems. That's the thing. So one day Linus Torvalds said, you know, I don't like it that Bill Gates won't tell me what's going on in Microsoft. So I'll just make my own operating system. And today, the vast majority of what we're experiencing is running through an open sourced operating system made by hackers. So biohackers, we're taking control of our own system. And what do hackers do? They also protect systems. So I'm going to find every vulnerability in my biology and my consciousness to the best of my ability, and I will figure out how to use those for the benefit of myself and others, and how to stop bad people from attempting to use those against me.

[Jason Scherka]

That's really an interesting perspective.

[Dave Asprey]

I like that.

[Jason Scherka]

I like that perspective.

[Dave Asprey]

And so this is ideally beneficial. And I want to see what all these things actually say. Show me the settings for that. But assuming these intentions are good. All right, cool. We're hacking our biology and we're doing it in a way that isn't perceptible. But let's see what hacker does a good job. If they set off all the alert systems when they come in. If I do a good job hacking a system, you'll never know I was there until whatever I put in does its thing 100%. So that's how, that's how it works in our bodies as well.

[Jason Scherka]

You know what's cool? Just to bring it to your attention for everybody, the linguistics are actually on the site as well for everybody to be able to see. So it's all fully transparent for everyone to see.

[Dave Asprey]

So on thelightsystems.com I can look it up.

[Jason Scherka]

Yep. Okay, cool. So you'll be able to find that there as well. And then you have people like, you know, Dr. Ed Group from Global Healing. Yeah, so he actually created his own new set of linguistics that's going to be implemented into the next variation of this technology, which is awesome.

[Dave Asprey]

That's interesting. We have A whole half a day in the 40 years Zen program around setting intentions. Intentions properly so that they can actually work. Yes, because most people's intentions fail because they're written in the wrong language.

[Jason Scherka]

Ed is One of, like, Dr. Group is one of the greatest guys when it comes to that. Him and I. Well, him and I, my fiance and his wife are going to Tibet. Oh, cool. In a few months. And we're doing this whole, like, Journey Masters out there, I think. So there's a whole sweet. A whole itinerary that they put together. But Ed, I glad Global Healing actually just started. It's. It's about to be finalized and shared with the world. But there's a whole collaboration now where I think it's in Texas, his new manufacturing plant that they just opened. Oh, cool. They're bringing the light system with his linguistics moving forward now into their manufacturing plant and they're charging all of their supplements moving forward. So in the very near future, you're going to see every single one of those Global Healing supplement bottles, whatever it may be, Oxy powder, detoxadine, whatever it is, all with a badge that says supercharged by the light system. So Ed's a really awesome part of this.

[Dave Asprey]

Interesting.

[Jason Scherka]

And even down to the geometry, Robert Edward Grant is a part of that as well.

[Dave Asprey]

Oh, yeah, I love him.

[Jason Scherka]

A lot of. A lot of cool people involved here that are bringing their own gifts to make this bigger and better in the most productive way possible and chat about that. It's really cool. And there's a reason why it's in this shape with the pyramid, because geometry. And Robert Grant is like the master of this. Geometry literally impacts the body. And I mean, you know, we think of technology needing screens or wires or whatever it may be, but that's not the true definition of technology. Technology can boil down to a shape that you wear, because if you take a geometrical shape and put it on a water bottle, the water will synchronize with the energy or like the QR code of that shape and restructure itself. Well, same thing on you. If it can come down to you wearing a specific geometric formation on your neck as a necklace made of specific types of metals and elements and so on and so forth. And that will help restructure the water in your body, making you healthier, cleaner and clearer. So same thing over here. Great Pyramid of Giza, smaller scale. It was intentionally designed this way.

[Dave Asprey]

Yeah. The definition of technology, it's been kind of limited. Breathwork is technology. Psychedelics are technology. Meditation is technology. Fire Is technology. It doesn't have to be a chip.

[Jason Scherka]

Yep. It's just existing in a specific way. And when you take that existence and you move it or manipulate it, not in a negative way, people think manipulation is a bad thing. Manipulation could be a very positive thing, too. Like biohacking.

[Dave Asprey]

I manipulate my ribeyes into juicy and delicious.

[Jason Scherka]

I'm fine with that. So when you manipulate things in a conscious way and you understand those laws, fundamental laws of energy. I mean, beyond the technology, the way you live changes, right? The music you listen to changes, the people you spend time with change, the colors that you wear and the colors around you. All of these things change, change from beginning to end. So it's, to me, beyond just understanding this technology, but understanding the fundamentals that it's actually built on, because that is the nature of reality. When we understand that, your life just becomes better, you're no longer bound by luck. You are bound by. I am doing things intentionally. I am creating in a specific way, and I am going according to cause and effect. Create the cause, produce your effect.

[Dave Asprey]

It's beautiful. This is cool stuff. It's really esoteric. I'm absolutely willing to admit that. But some of the most powerful things I've done in my life are esoteric. Some of the breath work, some of the neurofeedback journeys, even going to Mount Kailash in remote parts of Tibet. The idea for biohacking and for putting butter in coffee, which became big societal movements. I mean, biohacking is a $36 billion industry. It came to me on the side of Mount Kailash in remote western Tibet. It's the holiest mountain in the world. So being willing to suspend your disbelief if you're saying all that stuff sounds like nonsense, well, go do a bunch of holotropic breathing and come back and tell me that the world is the way you thought it was. There's lots of ways to do it. Ketamine, breathwork, Tantra. My most recent book is here's all the. Maybe not all, but the vast majority of technologies that let you enter altered states. And altered states are valuable because they're different ways of looking at reality and experiencing the world. Having control of your altered states is kind of useful. And getting drunk is an altered state, just not a very good one. So let's find the good ones and how to get there quickly. And that's why, if I could compress decades of meditation into five days, I'm going to do it. And it's the same ideal behind the invention of the light Systems, how do I make it easier and faster to meditate so I can have more time to do other stuff?

[Jason Scherka]

Exactly. And I would say even beyond that, for anybody that, like myself, that looks at it and says, what's going on here? I want to try it. Right before you're going to go and take an action and spend all this money and bring it to your home, guess what? Unified Healing has hundreds of wellness centers around the world. Hundreds in the United States and almost every state in the country and dozens of countries around the world. I think it's 55 countries around the world that Unified Healing has centers that it represents in. And many of those centers have the light system in it. So for anybody that wants to try it, wherever you are around the world, it really doesn't matter. You could try it. That's on a different website. It's on unifiedhealing.com okay. And I'll share that link with you. So you could share it, but that's where people can find it. To actually try it and have a two hour experience, have an overnight experience and go into it with no expectations and tell me how you feel after, that's the best thing you can do.

[Dave Asprey]

That is so cool. Well, I'm looking forward to maybe putting this in my bedroom. It'll be hard to sleep with lights on, but I'll try it.

[Jason Scherka]

No, you'd be surprised. Okay, I thought the same thing. Now this is one of 250,000 different programmable combinations you can do when you sleep around it. I'll. I'll send you the actual program that would be best to sleep around. It's going to be red light with a black background.

[Dave Asprey]

Oh, that I could sleep with? Yeah. Okay.

[Jason Scherka]

So you're going to have a red light with a black background, but I mean you could turn this into 250,000 different combinations, quite literally. But I do have favorite ones that I use for certain purposes. This is more so a default with a black background. I can include various different wavelengths on the screen that will brighten up this entire thing. But those are for different purposes. So depending on, you know, if you're dealing with some issues with your heart physically to phlegm in your lungs and you want to clear that, you're going to want more green wavelength.

[Dave Asprey]

Got it.

[Jason Scherka]

Right. Yellow is going to help more with digestion. Red is going to help more with blood flow, circulation, inflammation, so on and so forth. Blue on the emotional level will help with communication. On the physical level, it's going to help with your thyroid. So everything has a different purpose. There's a whole manual. There's I love this so much because I've written books on not this, but these topics.

[Dave Asprey]

That is amazing.

[Jason Scherka]

It's really awesome stuff.

[Dave Asprey]

Well, thank you for sharing the very edges of biohacking and consciousness, and this is cool stuff. I have to admit, every time I'm around this thing, I'm just kind of staring at it and I can feel something and I haven't really dug in on what it is. But now that you've shared some stuff, I'll sit and stare at it for a while and see what happens.

[Jason Scherka]

Awesome. Meditate around it, sleep around it, and I'd love to hear your feedback there.

[Dave Asprey]

All right, thank you my friends and guys. TheLightSystems.com, use code DAVE Asprey and check it out and you might be surprised. There's some cool stuff coming out in the world right now and this is part of it. See you next time on the Human Upgrade Podcast.

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