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Smokers have a noticeably lower Parkinson's risk. And nicotine is the reason. Nicotine is a longevity drug and there are studies of cognition and aging. The MCI trials show transdermal nicotine. That's a patch improved memory in older adults. Nicotine does improve memory even in healthy younger people. Tolerance can build really fast, often within days of using it every day. But if you're keeping it to that under, you're unlikely to have that happen. On my nicotine journey, I use per day for five years straight without getting any dependence. And it was magic four hours when I did it. I want to get into some real world use templates like how would you use this? You're listening to the Human Upgrade with Dave Asprey.
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Hey guys, quick reminder. If you're listening to this on your favorite audio podcast app and you haven't been over to my YouTube channel, check it out. Just search for the Human Upgrade or find me under Dave Asprey bpr. I post full video versions of every episode and a bunch of other cool content outside the podcast. It's a great way to go deeper into the content and connect with other biohackers like you. So leave a comment for me. Yeah, I'm actually going to read them and poke around while you're there. There is a lot of stuff specifically for you. It really helps and it means a lot to me. This is part two of the Nicotine episode of the Human Upgrade and up to this point you've kind of learned the entire landscape. So you understand what nicotine is and why nicotine is not equal to smoking. And you've learned how nicotine locks onto nicotinic receptors and how it sharpens your attention, your motivation and all the evidence behind anti inflammatory signaling pathways. And you've learned the real benefits backed by human data and how there's this inverted U curve so using too much isn't good for you and using nothing isn't really good for you. And that there are real risks. You can be addicted, especially above 10 milligrams a day, higher blood pressure, bad sleep, insulin sensitivity and why context matters. Nicotine is a powerful substance and you've learned the delivery methods you can use a spray gum, patches and why you don't want to vape and why you don't want to smoke. And you've also learned how speed of absorption drives are you going to get addicted or not? And also whether you're going to go on a little journey or not, because things like ha. Which hit very quickly, yeah, you can have a beautiful experience, but if you do it all the time, you're going to want a beautiful experience every day. So now it's time for the part that most people skip. It's how do you apply all this stuff in a way that's intelligent and useful for you? So anyone out there can try nicotine? Just put one of those little plastic laden pouches in and see what happens. You'll probably throw up. But very few people talk about how you can dose nicotine, how you can time nicotine, why you might want to stack with other compounds, why you might want to cycle it, and how to stay in control so you don't become heavily addicted. So that's what this episode's all about. First of all, just like with caffeine, there are genetics that control how fast you clear nicotine. CYP2A6 or SIP2A6 is how cool people talk about it, is a gene. And that gene controls metabolic speed of chewing through nicotine quickly. So if you're a fast metabolizer, you'll have shorter effects and you're going to want to redose. And slow metabolizers keep nicotine for longer, so they feel it harder, and they have a high risk of side effects. So depending on your genetics, 1 milligram may be really strong for you, or it may just last for a half hour and it was kind of cool. Same thing. Imagine two people drink coffee. Got my danger right here. So I can record this episode for you. Well, one feels it for an hour, the other one feels it for all day. That's your nicotine metabolism. It's your liver speed that changes everything. And if you have your genetic testing, you can look that up. There's also something called nmr, which is nicotine metabolite ratio. And this is the ratio of 3 hydroxycontin to continine. This is something you could measure in saliva or blood, which is an estimate of your CYP2A6 activity. If your ratio is high, you're a fast metabolizer. If it's slow, you're a slow metabolizer. So you could think of this NMR lab test as a speedometer for how quickly you burn through nicotine, or you could just look up your genetics and see which of those alleles you have. Or if you're like most people, you may not have your genetics. And you're not going to get a special nicotine test because, hey, life is too short to spend all your time waiting to get blood drawn, even though I'm going to be helping you with that with AXO Health. So what should you do? You could actually try nicotine at a very low dose and see how long it lasts, which is probably going to be a pretty good sign of how you're doing. But these are the mechanisms behind it. Use it earlier in the day for deep work. And just like caffeine, even if it's within eight hours of bedtime, well, you might have Some issues with it. A lot of people use it right before bed, but they're regular users and their receptors are acclimated to it. And if you're sensitive to the patch or if you have lots and lots of dreams, nicotine three hours before bed or right at bedtime could either stop you from sleeping or it could give you pretty crazy dreams. And if you were to, say, drink a big thing of danger coffee and take some nicotine here, how about I do a lozenge While we're talking 1.5 milligrams, it's going to melt over the next maybe half hour. If you do something like that, it's going to make you really focused. But if I drink three coffees and I use 6 milligrams of nicotine, I'd probably get a bit edgy. But the combination of caffeine and nicotine is one of the most potent cognitive enhancers you could ever experience. If you want to write, I don't know, nine major books, including four New York Times bestsellers and a bunch of other bestseller list things, maybe nicotine and caffeine are something you should consider. At least it worked for me. Here are some things that you could take with nicotine that could change your experience and enhance your experience. Remember, we're using nicotine as a stimulant and as a cognitive enhancer and as a nootropic and possibly as an exercise enhancer. So you could take theanine, same as you might with coffee, 1-200mg. It's going to smooth out stimulation. If you just get too wired from nicotine or coffee, you can take something called C choline. Cdp. Choline is another name for it or alpha gpc. And that's something I'm less a fan of, but I'm, I use it just at very low doses. That'd be about 150 milligrams. These things support acetylcholine. So if nicotine gives you a headache or brain fog, you probably need more choline. If you're working under a heavy workload. And like me, I've just been on more constantly for the last six months than I ever have been in my life. It's just been constant productivity, not anxiety. Just go, go, go, go, go. And getting a lot done. So to do that, Rhodiola 1 or 200 milligrams, which is a part of the Motivation 101 supplement from Sup Grade Labs that gives you stress resilience under workload, which stacks well with nicotine. So if you're using danger coffee and nicotine and you're saying, okay, I'm a little bit wired and I have 12 hours of work today and I have jet lag, well, that would be a good thing for rhodiola. Take rhodiola in the morning, maybe at lunch, not at bedtime, and magnesium glycinate at nighttime. If you use nicotine, that day can help with sleep disruption. Now, if you're into nootropics like me, and you have some advanced compounds like galantamine or huperzine A, these are things that boost acetylcholine, but they do it by blocking your body's ability to break it down. Don't do that with nicotine unless you're very highly experienced and you go very slowly because insecticides work. Have you ever seen someone spray a roach with bug killer and it turns on its back and it starts twitching? That's acetylcholine out of control. Too much acetylcholine equals muscle tension, and you just don't want that. So don't block your body's ability to break down acetylcholine. Just give it more acetylcholine precursors like cdp, choline. Acetylcholine is an important neurotransmitter because it's how your brain pays attention and gets energy. So a small boost of acetylcholine sharpens you. But if you turn it, all of it on, it's like every light in the house is on at once. It's overwhelming, it's messy, and it can cause really bad jaw tension, usually first calf cramps or low back pain. Just. Just your whole body is, like, tight. Too much acetylcholine is also a source of nausea. It can make you sweat and have brain fog and irritability. If you do that on nicotine, it's just gonna be even worse. So start slow on your nicotine and use these things to smooth it out. And sometimes 1 milligram is all it takes. On my nicotine journey, I used 1 milligram per day for 5 years straight without getting any dependence. And it was a magic four hours when I did it. In fact, you're probably better off using, as I've said earlier, 5 milligrams or less on a normal day and on an intense day, under 10 milligrams. If you always religiously keep it there, I don't think you're likely to have any sort of physiological dependence. You might get some psychological. You go above 10, especially on a regular basis and if you want to stop it, you're going to get some pretty interesting side effects. We'll talk about now. Let's talk about nicotine tolerance and dependence and control. Because I see a lot of people who are just sucking on Zen all day long and I don't think that's good for you. And I've gone through phases where I probably overuse nicotine, especially when I'm traveling really heavily because I really like nicotine. So understand sometimes I may have gone way too far on that for brief periods of time because, well, I did. Tolerance can build really fast, often within days of using it every day. But if you're keeping it to that, under 5 milligrams, you're unlikely to have that happen. It's only when you start taking, you know, 6 milligrams or 12 milligrams at a time. That's not really going to work because your brain starts making more receptors over several days. Think of it like nicotine's a loud co worker and the first time you notice everything that they say, you hear them every day and eventually they're just always talking, just kind of tune them out. And that's why cycling nicotine matters. Like maybe you take off a day, but you don't go to these high days. Maybe you have a high day and a low day. And if you've started using it every day, especially above 10 milligrams, listen to this. This is important. Step down the dose and frequency. You can use a nicotine patch for a little while to smooth your landing. Make sure you get extra sleep, extra hydration. Nicotine has a physiological period of about two to three days, same as caffeine. If you quit coffee cold turkey, you get headaches for a couple days and then you're fine. Problem with nicotine is it actually is really psychologically addictive. So you just, you want it cuz it actually feels good and it works really well and it, it helps your mitochondria. So you might still have thoughts about it, but the physical symptoms will peak after three days if you've been on low dose. If you're on very high dose and you go cold turkey, you are likely to have whole body intense muscle cramping, like really intense. And it can stay on sometimes for months. I had a friend whose whole abdominal cavities is rock hard all the time because he got tension there. I went from guess, 40 milligrams a day a done cold turkey a few years ago and I was figuring this stuff out. I have never had muscle cramps in my life like that. I don't normally get strong muscle cramps, at least I did when I was a kid. And I didn't know about magnesium, but holy crap, this was 10 out of 10 pain. And I've had my bone marrow taken out. So if you want to go cold turkey, get some batches, it's not that big of a deal. Just ramp down and you'll be fine. Do not go cold turkey for a high dose. I did mention if you have your last dose maybe before 4:00', clock, well, you're going to be tempted to have one after dinner because, well, nicotine's really great. And every movie made from the 80s and before people smoke after sex, that's just how you do it. Because the combination of nicotine and oxytocin, that's a really good feeling. So there will be times when you do it at night, but it might affect your sleep. And so you should do it in the early afternoon, but you might not. And if you're a burning man, you're probably going to do more, more of it. Just don't keep doing more of it. So keep your uses at each time to 0.5 to 2 milligrams per dose. And if you feel like you need more per dose, something's off. Look at your sleep, look at your nutrition, look at all these other episodes, look at your stress levels. If you do 2 milligrams, you wait a half hour, do 2 milligrams, wait a half hour, do 2mg, you're going to have a really good time if you don't get nauseous from it. But after that you're at 6 milligrams, you're probably done for the day, so just keep that in mind. If you're using lozenges, what you can do is you just put the number of lozenges you're allowing yourself that day into your pocket and that's all you've got. And you can take the 6 milligrams, you can break them into three pieces. They're going to be about 2 milligrams a piece of. So that'd be one or maybe two lozenges a day, wouldn't you? Just never use nicotine. If you are pregnant or trying to get pregnant, don't do it. The good news is, unless you're already on nicotine, your body probably won't let you use nicotine. A friend who didn't know that she was pregnant had 1mg and threw up for the next two hours. Because mother's bodies love to get rid of toxins as fast as possible by throwing up. So this is really serious. No nicotine if you're trying to conceive. And thank you if you are trying to conceive because the world could use some more healthy babies right now. You listen to the show, you're probably getting healthier. One of the reasons that nicotine feels good, especially for men after sex, is that when men ejaculate, our prolactin levels go up and prolactin makes you tired and kind of apathetic. And nicotine has the effect of suppressing that. It's not the best way to suppress it, but. But it is something that just feels good after sex. That's probably why that men at least are drawn to it. Women don't have that same effect. Now if you're a guy and you're looking at fertility, nicotine is a double edged sword. That's because short term or low dose nicotine, like 1 or 2 milligrams a day, it has pretty much no effect or maybe even a positive effect by stimulating libido and it doesn't harm sperm. But if you're doing greater than 10 milligrams a day, and this is, you know, a Zen or two, you get increases in oxidative stress and you can have testosterone reduction. So if you're someone who's sucking on Zen all the time, you can actually meaningful like 20% lower your testosterone. So high dose nicotine is not really good for us, even though it might feel really good. And again, smoking is bad for fertility at any dose. If you've had a recent heart attack, if you have serious arrhythmias or you have blood pressure that's out of control, you need to get that under control. Now you nicotine can be really good for you metabolically, but not under those conditions. Because the stimulation after a recent heart attack, you obviously don't want that. If your heart's already twitchy because of arrhythmias, you don't want that. If you have severe reflux, nicotine, especially oral, could be really bad for you. Or if you have active GI ulcers, however, a patch might work. And anyone with cancer or undergoing cancer treatment should talk to your oncology team first. This is because nicotine has the very beneficial effect of increasing angiogenesis. This is your body growing new blood vessels where it needs it. You want to put on more muscle. Well, you need more blood flow. You want to make your brain work better. You might want to grow some blood vessels. However, if your cancer treatment is trying to starve cancer cells by cutting off the creation of new blood vessels, you wouldn't want to do it. So if you have cancer, talk to your cancer team who's treating it about which mechanism you're using. On the other hand, nicotine does increase PGC1 Alpha and it's good for your metabolism at low doses, so it could be beneficial. But this is a double edged sword and I wouldn't want to go that one alone.
