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The Human Upgrade: Biohacking for Longevity & Performance
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Dave Asprey
There's been a war on almost every kind of healing.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Something a lot of people don't know is they actually used to use flickering light to treat a lot of conditions, including epilepsy. And then the drug companies created drugs and all of a sudden it became not profitable to do it any other way.
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Sponsor/Advertiser Voice
Rafael Gianfrancesco is a master healer whose work has caught the attention of consciousness researchers, advanced meditation schools, and even military programs studying human resilience. He's spent years developing light and vibration based methods that can shut down the default mode network, induce deep meditative states in minutes and release trauma stored in the body.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Cancer has a vibration when you vibrate really high. Things like cancer can't live in your body. They are studying these technologies, vibroacoustics, light based entrainment with the pilots. We've got several of these devices placed with the U.S. air Force. And you have to imagine these pilots that are piloting these $150 million plan.
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Dave Asprey
Talk about harmonics, because ultimately all vibration has harmonics. How do you use harmonics in your system? You're listening to the human upgrade with Dave Asprey.
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Dave Asprey
If you had one hour to shift someone's brain state as much as you could without psychedelics, what would you do?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Well, I would definitely sit down with them, find out what their goals are, find out where they are, first of all, get to know them. And I would put them under a device that I happen to love, which is called the Roxiva, lie them down on a massively powerful vibroacoustic surface and get them into such a coherent state, they will realize who they really are and wake up to their potential.
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Dave Asprey
In an hour.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
In an hour.
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Dave Asprey
Okay. Vibro acoustic. What is that?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
The words say it all, really. It's. It uses sound to create movement. And so I don't know if you have ever watched the videos of when they put water on a speaker and vibrated and the water makes all these gorgeous patterns and cymatics. I love that.
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Dave Asprey
It kind of looks like an Etch A Sketch. And in fact, we can cut that in. Aj, you can cut in some cymatics, so it's kind of cool. They have like a subwoofer underneath and it makes these beautiful patterns that strangely look exactly like the old buildings that they keep blowing up around the world. Yeah, right. Like the old temples, Angkor Wat and all. Those are all cymatics, right?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Sacred geometries. And on the other side of that, there was a Study done by Dr. Yamoto in Japan many years ago where he put words underwater. The water dishes. He put a word under the water dish. And that word basically put an intention into the water and then he did really close photography of it. And like words like love and peace created these gorgeous crystalline sacred geometry shapes and words like hate and war created these blob, like horrible looking crystals. Yes. Scary designs. And like, so is that cymatics too?
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Dave Asprey
Like, does he vibrate, Vibrate the word under the water or they just charges the water with the word?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
In this universe, everything has a vibration. So we are a vibration. We are an all eternal soul vibrating down to a density that can be in this material world.
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Dave Asprey
You know, I heard this somewhere in the beginning, there was the word. Yes, that's them saying everything is vibration.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Exactly. And then they said, let there be light. So, you know, these things have been intertwined forever. Creation is a function of manifesting that which is thought. Thoughts are things, bringing it down through our energy column and manifesting it through our first chakra into the earth, into like hard reality.
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Dave Asprey
Wow, How'd you learn all that stuff?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So I, I went to three years of energy medicine school. I'm a master healer, whatever that means. That's the designation they gave me at the end. Basically a body of work created by a woman named Barbara Brennan.
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Dave Asprey
Oh, you went to the Barbara Brennan school?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So I. I'm in the lineage. Yeah, in the lineage of Barbara Brennan. A student of hers started his own school. And so basically it's all based on Egyptian color healing. And it's. It's light.
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Dave Asprey
Wow.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
It's light. It's frequencies of light and sound and light go perfectly together.
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Dave Asprey
So for listeners who are saying Barbara who Barbara Brennan, runs a. I'll call it a mystery school of healing, Some of the more powerful healers I know. And so you learn from someone who was one of her students.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yes.
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Dave Asprey
Okay, that's cool. Most of the people I know who've been steeped in that kind of work, after a while, like their eyes start to glow and then they'll like look at you and say, these are not the droids you're looking for. So when you became a master healer, can you do that?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So there's a lot of intentionality around it, and a lot of it is creating the hollow bone, as the Buddhists say. You're not doing anything. You're creating a channel to be able to let the energy flow out. And that's what Reiki is. That's what Jesus did theoretically when he laid hands on people. It's, it's all just a transference of the universal healing energy which exists all and everywhere.
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Dave Asprey
It's not coming from you, it's just coming through you.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Right. And then there's a lot of ego filled healers that use that and like they take that energy and they siphon off a certain amount of it for whatever their ego needs are. And they only give a little bit to the, the person they're trying to heal. And that creates a dependency cycle. And that's where you get all these gurus that eventually blow up.
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Dave Asprey
Yeah, I wrote about that and heavily meditated a little bit. You know, if, if you're using a psychedelic to always enter an altered state, you're dependent on it, even if you're not addicted. And if you have to go see your guru every month or every however many months, your guru's going to die. Unless they're a really good guru who never dies. Right. Seen one of those yet in my life. So then you're going to be screwed. So the point is you've got to learn to enter the state yourself. But it's okay to use technologies. And technologies can be as simple as breath work or all the different breathwork techniques or a meditation technique or something that's under your control. And what's emerging right now, and starting in about the 60s and early 70s, it started, is that we're using tech that didn't exist before that. Like very precisely tuned sounds and light and vibrations. In the case of the equipment that you make, where you're not necessarily dependent on those, but they can show you the state in the same way that plant medicines could.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Exactly.
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Dave Asprey
But they can also make it. So it's very fast to get into the state. So you're a master healer. And if you wanted to enter a beautiful altered state of oneness with everything, if you don't have the Roxiva technology and you're just relying it on yourself, how long does it take you?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
About 20 minutes on my own, depending on what's going on.
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Dave Asprey
So what do you do in 20 minutes to go into a state of oneness with everything? Because that's pretty fast.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah. So it's breath work and it's also. I do a modified form of transcendental meditation with a mantra. Okay. They find that helps me, really. Having the mantra really helps.
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Dave Asprey
Mantras are powerful. Right.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So and, and just. It's just a matter of.
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Dave Asprey
Most of.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
It's the breath work in the mantra, really. Okay.
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Dave Asprey
Yeah. And now if you have one of your vibro acoustic pieces of gear and you've got the lighting stuff, how long does it take you?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Instant. It's you're in state, immediately you just see people when they lie down on the bed, they just. I like to just go. And it, it, what it does is it's shutting off the default mode network and it's using the thalamocortical circuit, which basically, you know, your thou, your, your hypothalamus and your, your thalamus and your amygdala are related in creating your experience of the world. You know, when something happens, your amygdala goes, what does this mean? Makes a decision. And then everything down the chain is determined after that how you react. Wow.
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Dave Asprey
So it's instant. And I happen to have one of these downstairs in my house. So having the ability to have Roxiva just for friends to come over and use it, or just to lay down and say you want to meditate, like, let's, let's do it really fast. You really do feel it. And because I'm a computer hacker, I look at ways you can look at, I call it the attack surface of consciousness or of the body. And that can sound negative. But an attack surface is simply where is there an exposed interface that you could potentially poke on to see what it does? Right. So if we're going to break into your phone or your computer, how much of it is exposed so we can look at it. So for our consciousness, what are the major inputs? There's some quantum coherence stuff that we could do, and there's a magnetic thing. But what are the primordial senses? Vibration and light are two of the biggest ones. And all sound is vibration. But the deeper vibrations, they matter to your cells. And this is why if you go into like a stem cell laboratory or cell culture, they're like constantly moving because you can't even grow cells in culture very well without motion. Right, right. And that's a form of vibration. So I can lay down on the worksiva. And that really deep shaking, it does something different even than whole body vibration. What's different between what you're doing with the equipment that you've created and me standing on a whole body vibration platform?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
It's about coherence and harmonics primarily because what we're doing is we're introducing certain signaling to the brain and we want to stay depending upon our target. You know, we can go everywhere from epsilon to lambda. And epsilon and lambda are two frequencies that you don't often hear about. They sit above and below delta and gamma. And it actually creates a loop where they loop into each other, kind of like the very small to the very Big in the macro micro world with the Planck constant, or when you go out to the universe, like everything gets really, really, really far apart and really big, even when you go to the very small. And the same things happens with frequencies. Once you get into the highest gamma, you start getting a resonant harmonic which brings you down into the lowest epsilon delta.
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Dave Asprey
Now are you doing this with, with sound? So you're not getting super high frequency sound out of a subwoofer though?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
No, the super high frequencies are 100, 200 hertz are coming from the light.
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Dave Asprey
Got it.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
The 5 hertz to 100 hertz is coming from the vibroacoustics.
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Dave Asprey
So this is a really important point in the type of brainwaves that we can have. We have these very, very low brain waves. And some of them once every 20 seconds even, they're like rumbling thunder. You could say these exceptionally fast ones, the ones that you were just mentioning, that go to gamma and even beyond. And when you have the full stack of them lined up, you experience reality from a very different perspective. And I've spent 20 plus years with electrodes glued to my head learning how to train these states and how to feel them and what they each look like, what they feel like, and what you're doing that's intriguing with Roxiva, as you're saying. Well, to get the low ones to induce them, let's make those bodily sensations, but to get the high ones, let's go in through the eyes. They're closed, but you're still going through the eyes with very rapidly blinking lights.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Exactly.
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Dave Asprey
Does it matter if the lights are blinking differently on each eye?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yes, it can, because we've got 16 light sources on the face of our device that can fire in groups of four. So we can modulate back and forth across the face of the device and we can have sort of a left right thing. And people do say it feels like EMDR on steroids, because when they get on the device, the hemispheric communication is so fast. And to give you an example of how we're up training resilience with this, we've got several of these devices placed with the U.S. air Force. And you have to imagine these pilots that are piloting these $150 million planes, they have to be so fast in their thought processes and their blood gases have to be at a perfect level. And if they hit eight GS and they're not in perfect shape and their brain waves aren't coherent, they black out and they have to eject and then they lose $150 million plane.
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Dave Asprey
Right.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So they are studying these technologies, vibroacoustics, light based entrainment with the pilots to raise up these thresholds and create more resilience and thereby pilots that can do a better job and last longer in these intense situations.
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Dave Asprey
Well, if you think about it, resilience is an altered state. High performance is an altered state. Fast response time, flow state. All of the use and desirable states are altered states because the average normal boring state is none of those. Right. Okay, so they're not putting blinking lights in the planes. What are they doing? Training.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
They're training them on ground. And so basically we're up training resilience. Something a lot of people don't know is they actually used to use flickering light to treat a lot of conditions, including epilepsy. And then the drug companies created drugs and all of a sudden it became not profitable to do it any other way.
- [16:42]
Dave Asprey
There's been a war on, almost every kind of healing. And honestly, Rockefeller did a lot of this way back in the day because he said, oh, I have oil and I'm a monopolist. And now from oil we made chemical companies and oh, we can make drugs out of those. Let's destroy the competition. So I have books in my library downstairs from the turn of the century showing how we use color and light, including sunlight, to heal people in hospitals. Like straight up, go to the hospital, oh, let's shine a green light on that guy and then he heals. Right, Right. So this is kind of coming back into vogue. But they didn't have a great ability to flicker lights. You could have like a fan. Right. Essentially a fan blade in front of it. With LEDs, we can do things that were impossible until now. Right.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
And they're generationally getting better and faster. Like we're using the latest generation LEDs now and the refresh rates are amazing on these things. Like you can flicker them so fast.
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Dave Asprey
Wow.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah. And we use a mix of warm and cool white LEDs. So our device is really unique because we have a night mode that you can activate, which if after sundown you can take light sessions using only the night mode, which is only the warm LEDs, and it goes mess up your circadian rhythms.
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Dave Asprey
This has always been something I worry about with using light for entrainment. If you've got your blue lights and it's nine o' clock at night, you want to go to sleep. You can probably tell the brain it's time for sleep. But the mitochondria, they're going to be saying, I got blue light. It's not time. So your melatonin levels should be off, but you've solved that problem. Okay, that's super cool. Mitopure is one of the rare supplements that truly moves the needle for energy and longevity. And I've trusted it for years in soft gels, and now it comes in a gummy. Think of it as a treat for your mitochondria. It's a really good strawberry flavor, sugar free, and still the same clinically validated dose of urolithin A. And because it tastes good, you might want to eat more of them, which is okay too.
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Dave Asprey
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Dave Asprey
Now, you make a vibroacoustic bed and you make a device that basically mounts above your head, not directly over your eyes. Right. That uses the light therapy. You can do the light therapy separately from vibroacoustics, right?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Correct. We originally began this technology, began just as a flickering light technology. I'll tell you a story going way back. You know, Stanislav Grof the founder of Holotropic Breathwork.
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Dave Asprey
Don't just know him. I actually ran a breathwork workshop with him when he was 94. We taught 200 of my students.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Oh, my gosh.
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Dave Asprey
Breath work. Isn't that amazing? Oh, he's such a.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So I've got a video of him on my YouTube page and I'll post it. Maybe we can link it in the notes. It's a video of him talking about his first experience taking LSD.
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Dave Asprey
Wow.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Okay. It was in the 50s. He was in Prague, and Sandoz had sent all these just boxes of LSD to all the universities and said, here, play with this. And he was a student at the time, and he was not allowed to take the lsd. The professor he was working under was very rigid. He was just a trip sitter. That's all he could do. So when he finally graduated, he went to his professor and said, okay, I want to do lsd. And he's like, all right, you can do it now you've graduated. But there's a caveat. You have to participate in this other study that I'm doing. The effects of LSD under stroboscopic light.
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Dave Asprey
Oh, wow.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So he took the LSD when he was at the peak of the experience. They rolled in a strobe light, put it over him, and he describes literally just shooting out of his body, out of the university, out of Prague, out of the stratosphere, beyond anything that can be imagined in this human 3D world. He was in the whatever, the God, whatever. He was just. And then finally the drugs started wearing off. They turned off the strobe light and he started coming back, coming back, coming back. But his energy body had expanded so much, he couldn't fit back into himself.
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Dave Asprey
Wow.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah. Yeah. So I'll get you that video.
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Dave Asprey
Yeah, we'll link to that video for sure. The origins of the modern consciousness movement are really fascinating because it ties back to all these ancient practices. And you look at Ram Dass. In fact, I was just at the Omega Institute yesterday in upstate New York, which is where Ram Dass did a bunch of his teaching and all. And you just realize that it's a continuation of an ancient lineage. They just didn't have tools like this. So you would take someone who's done years of training to become a guru. And they'll sit there and be like, all right, we're going to do something to your energy field. And you do the breathing techniques and the mantras and all. But it was a long, slow, winding path. And when you have something like what you've built, the path is much faster, you have an elevator. Are we losing something by getting there more quickly?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
No, actually we're replacing something that we've lost because Nietzsche said God is dead. God remains dead and we have killed him. And when he said that, he didn't mean, you know, actual God, he meant our idea of awe and wonder at the universe, at the sky, you know, but we moved into all these cities and created this capitalism, economy, materialism. We made science our God. So now if a scientist says something, that's the new biblical prophecy because a scientist said it, you know. And so we've begun measuring, quantifying, dissecting ourselves into this haze of data that's all around us. And we're just losing the magic. And that's what this brings back. That's why so many people are chasing there these Bliss junkies, chasing the Ayahuasca retreats.
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Dave Asprey
I know, right?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
18 ayahuasca retreats in three years. I mean, it's ridiculous. But what are they looking for? They've got a God sized hole in them. They're soul sick. They're soul sick is what they are.
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Dave Asprey
Yeah, There's a guy in town who's done like 87 journeys and he keeps bragging about it. I'm like, when are you gonna notice it's not working? Yeah, right. And I did I in 1999 down in Peru. And I'm not opposed to doing it once every few years when you're called right in the jungle with a proper shaman. But if I was to say, all right, I don't need to do that, I'm gonna go downstairs, lay on the Roxiva. Is that also not being a bliss junkie, but just doing it digitally?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Well, so we, we do call it an electronic shaman. Yeah. And so again, state change is just something that we do. You know, if you're feeling a little sluggish, you go outside, you walk around, you wave your arms around, you run a little bit, you change your state. So having a way to turn on the endogenous chemical factory in our body without needing a drug to do it, we've been doing that forever. So the technology isn't really the problem. It's what are you doing with the technology and are you using it for positive goals, positive aims, increasing your sense of passion, commitment and connection to those around you. Not to escape and kind of develop a God complex because you saw that you're the all in everything.
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Dave Asprey
I would agree with you there. And there's a whole side to what I do and what I've been doing for a long time that's very mystical or esoteric, whatever you want to call it. And I was just less open about that when I was starting the biohacking movement, because people would have just not gotten it. But it's big enough that Saturday Night Live just ran a beautiful parody of me, in fact, just the same day we're recording this. And so, like, it's got enough credibility, enough people who are on. On a path, that we can talk about the mystical stuff. And it goes back to a painting you might have noticed hanging down in my kitchen. And it's from the. The dawn of the Enlightenment, and it has an alchemist, and he's saying they're wearing. Alchemists wear dumb hats. I don't know why, but it's like a little beanie thing, right? Or like a beret, but on backwards. And he's got all of his alchemy tools and a forge and all this standard stuff, and he's having a conversation with this naked woman sitting on the tree of life with. With writing Latin writing on it. So it's basically Mother Nature and alchemist are talking to each other about the nature of life, right? And like, they're trying to figure each other out kind of. And we're just continuing that tradition that goes back to the first founding of the scientific movement. It was called the Natural Philosophers association, was actually where modern science was born. And somewhere along the way, they added a capital S to science, and that's when it became God. And real science has a lowercase S, which means we're curious about it and we're looking for things that don't match our current story so we can have a better story. But you get these people go light and sound can't do that because they can't. Like, oh, is that scientific? Like, that didn't happen because it can't. Like, you can't study this kind of healing work with energy because it's not possible, right? But you can't disprove something by saying it's not possible, because that would make you dumb. But this is what's happening with these dogmatic, angry skeptics. What happens when you take a dogmatic angry skeptic and you put them on a Roxiva?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
A lot of them cry because they connect to something that they haven't been able to reach in such a long tears are such a beautiful thing. Like, I can't tell you how many times people just get up and they're like I don't know what just happened.
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Dave Asprey
It's orgasms from the eyes and it's.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Because they haven't been able to vibrate that high in a very long time. And I make this kind of funny comparison. I think it's funny. So, ever get in your car and there's a bug on the windshield and you just start driving and that bug's hanging on and you're driving a little faster and you're hanging on. And then you get on the highway and it's like still hanging on. It's like at some point you reach a speed and that bug just can't hold on anymore and poof, it flies off. Right? That's the way I see the human energy body. The higher you vibrate, the harder it is for the bugs to stick to you. Okay, so disease is unhappiness, energetic vampires, all of these attachments which by the way, you can pick up in the astral plane when you do ayahuasca if you're not careful.
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Dave Asprey
Okay, okay, we gotta talk about that, but finish your point.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So anyway, when you vibrate really high, things like cancer can't live in your body. Cancer has a vibration, and that's the whole thing around rife and scalar and all these things that you raise the vibration of the energy column and it becomes an inhospitable environment for things that want to live there that aren't good for you.
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Dave Asprey
That would match a lot of the energetic healing stuff that I've come across and that I've learned. All right, you said something about ayahuasca. So if you're taking ayah, you said you can pick up things on the astral plane. Okay, what is the astral plane?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So ayahuasca, first of all is a very body based medicine. Okay. It takes you into like the lower chakras, okay? The Lord, you know, the, the, the root chakra, which is security and home. The insects, sacral cock. Well, for men, it's. For men the root chakra is sex. For women, the sacral chakra is sex because they, theirs is here, ours is here. So when you go into those planes, it is that animal kind of, you know, all these energies and it's like, just writhing like. I've had ayahuasca journeys, I've done it, you know, where you just see these just writhing piles of like metallic worms or like whatever, you know, and it's just that kind of low energy that, you know, the darkness, you know. And in the past, like the shamans were the ones that ingested the medicine. They were the ones that went into the astral plane on your behalf, and they wrestled your demons for you. Like, there are some serious real deal shamans that laugh at the way ayahuasca is being done now. Because you're not supposed to just let somebody, some jerk off the street, just take this sacred medicine and, you know, the prep isn't done right. The integration isn't done right. So when you expose yourself, energy, Your energy body just opens wide, heart open. In this place, if you're not ready and protected. And when I say protected, you know, the mapachos, the shaman's job, the darhape, you know, all that stuff, they come over the Florida water, everything. They're on you every second. That's to keep the crap away. And when you get 30 people in a room getting it at once, you're going to miss something. Sorry.
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Dave Asprey
Yep. I always just say the shaman acts like a firewall to keep Aya from installing malware in you. And Aya has a masculine side that would really like to, you know, influence you. And then it has a female side that's very healing. I'm fortunate. The first time I did this, I went down to Peru and I asked around, and they said, you're white. I said, yeah, I know. And they said, oh, you actually don't. You're talking. Okay. And they introduced me to Oshaman. And he set out a ring of stones, and I'm laying there next to ruins called Sacsay Woman, which is one of the older sites there. And I had an experience, and I was done before the other person I was with and said, I'm going to go for a hike. Like, I'm so here. And he goes, no, you can't leave. And. And I. I, like. I tip my head back, and I stood on one foot and I touched my nose. I'm like, no, I'm sober. Like, really, I'm okay.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
And.
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Dave Asprey
And he goes. He kind of, like, looked at me like, you idiot. He goes, do you see those stones? And I said, yeah. He said, those are there to keep other stuff out, not to keep you in. And said, if you cross the stones, I'm gonna have to clean you off, and it's gonna be a lot of work, so you're not allowed to leave. And I was like, okay. I didn't really believe me, that was possible, but that's real. So I have great concern when people do not respect the lineage. So I prefer to do it with someone from the jungle. Is Shipibo trained And all that. But I've done it three times in my life. Right. It's not a thing. Right, right. It's not. It's like. It's a very rare thing. And I've done lots of other psychedelics and all. Do you think all psychedelics do that, or is this specific to aya?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Well, in the mechanism in aya, as I said, it's the lower chakras. But, you know, something like bufo, for example, which is the toad that's all up that just completely shoots you into the God consciousness. And when I did bufo, it was just incredible. Like, did you throw up? Did you purge?
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Dave Asprey
No, Most people purge on it.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
On bufo? No, usually on the aya, they purge, but the bufo. And, you know, the guy that I did bufo with gave us phenibut first, which was a mood stabilizer. So when you're like. It's like having a rocket ship strapped to your back and you literally just. Reality shatters and you just go into this whiteness and you have that moment where you say, oh, I'm dead. Like, I. I screwed up.
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Dave Asprey
I'm.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
I'm actually dead, you know, and that's. That's what it is. It's a death rebirth experience. You completely annihilate the ego. So, you know, little aside here, people tell you they had ego death because they remember in their journey this, this, and this happened. Yeah, that's crap. Because if you remember it, you were there, so your ego was not dead. The only time you have of ego death is if you have absolutely no recollection of what happened. Just like when you go into that deep sleep at night and you have no idea and you leave your body, that's ego death. And somebody has to tell you what you said and did during that period of time.
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Dave Asprey
Even then, I'm not convinced that's real ego death. I think the ego is a part of the hardware of the human body. If your ego dies, you have no more body. That's really true ego death. But you can have your ego being completely silent, which happens.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
That's a great distinction. Yeah. The term I should have used was actually kind of ego temporary dissolution. There you go. Something like that. But ego death, you're right. The gurus, you know, the real kind of Maharishi type guys, they hold on to only just enough karma and ego to just stay on the planet.
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Dave Asprey
And they're constantly watching the ego to make sure it doesn't misbehave. Yeah, you can never trust it.
- [34:55]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah, it'll Appropriate anything.
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Dave Asprey
Yeah. Doing with the ayah, with, with the neurofeedback programs is, you know, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Right, right, right. So you've clearly done your work with psychedelics and consciousness. And I've, you know, been down those paths as well. And you know, ketamine's a part of a part of what we do at 40 years as end when people want that additional experience. Right. Because even though it's not really technically a psychedelic, it's is like a psychedelic, but it's legal and I can do it with a doctor. What happens if you combine ketamine or maybe some other substance with the Roxivo? So you've got people that are vibrating at a deep level. They've got these specific light frequencies helping to guide them. Does it work better or worse if they're in an altered state already?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So I've got a lot of ketamine clients, Ketamine clinics, as clients now. And what we've been learning and studying with the combination is that the ketamine is extremely effective. It's a disassociative, it's an anesthetic. So it decouples the body sensing, feeling component from the mental processes. So when it's done properly, you can exhume memories and traumas without reactivating them in the body.
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Dave Asprey
Okay. And ketamine also creates that sense of. Of awe, which in my experience, you're not going to do a deep re patterning without either gratitude or awe.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Right. I love that you just said that. Because every time you've had the ability to not form a thought because something happened in front of you or you were somewhere that is a moment of beauty and high neuroplasticity and accessibility. And that's what these technologies and chemicals are helping us access again. Because when you enter those windows, they're called windows of opportunity, of neuroplasticity, where when you're a child, you have one like every five minutes.
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Dave Asprey
Right.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
You know, but we get older and our processes get cemented. And so what we're trying to do in getting back to the ketamine clinics is, you know, lower the amount of ketamine that we need to give someone and create a mental environment using the light stimulation, adding light to the system so that, you know, we didn't even start talking about the cerebral spinal fluid and how.
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Dave Asprey
Oh yeah, we're going to get there.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah, we'll get there. But our consciousness craves light. Okay. Our consciousness and most people that are in addictive, you know, patterns you know, they have a lack of theta in their brain, so if you can just give them theta, you know, put them into deep theta with kind of bumps of little psychedelic to keep them from clipping out. You send them on a journey. When they're on the ketamine, they lose that body sensation, the pain. But because of the vibroacoustic lounge, when they're on that, you're still moving the cellular structures. And when you do that, cymatics on the cellular structures, things just start floating out. It just releases. My favorite term is the issues in our tissues.
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Dave Asprey
Right.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
You know, the Bessel, van der Kolk. The body keeps the score. It's all in there. And that's why you can do all the work you want up here. If you get poked in the right place physically, like, I get Rolfed all the time. Rolfing. The fascia holds so much information. You move something a little bit that way in the rib cage, you're crying. Why? Because it's a grief memory.
- [38:30]
Dave Asprey
Yeah, it's just stored in there.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah, it's just stored in there.
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Dave Asprey
So you're doing cymatics on the human body. How the heck do you know what frequencies do what?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So there's the entire scale of the solfeggio frequencies, which were discovered, you know, over experimentation, that actually align with the chakra system. And I. Ironically, they all work on the 3, 6, 9 framework of. Of Tesla. Okay. You know, Tesla was so ahead of his time. He was an avatar. I know he was. He just, you know, sure came to this. I mean, he died penniless.
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Dave Asprey
Why?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Because he gave all this technology away.
- [39:10]
Dave Asprey
Or it was sort of taken.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah. Or taken from it, but he didn't care, honestly, you know? Yeah.
- [39:15]
Dave Asprey
And so different plane.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah, exactly. But there have been a lot of studies in chiropractors and doctors that have, like, actually been able to isolate, you know, specific frequencies for the sacral and the lumbar and the cervical and the thoracic and, you know, all those areas, because all of these things correspond. It's all about harmonics.
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Dave Asprey
It's funny, a lot of people think, you know, big electricity stuff and. And Tesla, but he had a whole body vibration platforms that he would put people on. And there's. There's one story where he put someone on the thing, and guy said, I. I want to do more. And he's like, no, don't do that.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Like, you'll.
- [39:52]
Dave Asprey
You'll fill your pants. And 8 Hz is the frequency that makes you do that. So of course, the guy maybe had to Run out the back door. You can have very strong biological effects with just the right signal.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
And that 8 hertz, that corresponds very closely to the Schumann resonance, which is 7.83 Hz, which is going up on the Earth. And, you know, that's a whole other topic of how our consciousness is raising at the same time that the vibration of the Earth is coming up. And, you know, we've got all this activity in the core and the magnetic poles are starting to move around. So, you know, that gets into the whole Kali Yuga and how everything's shifting and changing. I mean, there's a lot of really good stuff coming. And I think we need to be ready and vibrating a lot higher to be able to deal with it when it happens.
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Dave Asprey
I don't know. I think we should just inject everyone something that lowers their vibration all at the same time to make sure it doesn't happen. What do you think? Wouldn't that be a great evil plan?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah, yeah. Hold on. Fluoride.
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Dave Asprey
No, that's not strong enough. And we need to go at the genetic level.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah, yeah, yeah. How about glyphosate?
- [40:53]
Dave Asprey
Oh, that's a good idea. Maybe we'll make it into a mouthwash. It's one of those things where when you've done enough of this journeying kind of work, or spiritual, or just bodily and mental awareness, you realize that the world you see, a default world that's out there, that's like a useful way to see it, but there's other levels and there's long patterns and all. And you can have a sense of curiosity and peace about it, but it feels unreachable to a lot of us because you're anxious, you're depressed, you think it's all BS and you're just too tired to do all the work. How do we get people out of that?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Well, I mean, I think mostly it's a process of becoming present at least a tiny bit in the moment to watch the watcher and kind of. We all have this committee of voices in our heads.
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Dave Asprey
Head.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
And one question that I began asking myself a while back is, who's talking? So I have a thought in my head. Something's driving me. I've got an emotion going on. You know, I'm spinning or whatever. I'll stop and I'll say, who's talking? Like, who in the committee in my head is screaming the loudest right now?
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Dave Asprey
Do you. Do you still have voices in your head?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah.
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Dave Asprey
You do? Of course.
- [42:09]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
I mean, they all live there.
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Dave Asprey
I don't they went away.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Oh, good, good. I mean, people explain school with the nuns, you know, eating on you. I was left handed, so I have trauma on. I have ancestral trauma. My parents came over from Italy. They were, you know, basically refugees of World War II and like just trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma. So I'm actually unwinding generations, generational.
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Dave Asprey
And there's probably some past life stuff in there too. Yeah, When I'm working with people at those levels, they deal with their childhood trauma first and sometimes they go birth, sometimes they go generational trauma and sometimes they go past life trauma. And there's not much else to deal with after those three. But everyone has their own unique mix, so you're on that path. I've also seen one study that said some percentage of people it was under 20 don't have a voice in their head, they just have something else. And then there's people who after a certain amount of meditation or all the voices, just finally shut the hell up. And I had a, a pretty mean in there for a long time and I think it was. I mean, I've done all the fasting in caves and remote parts of the world and also a lot of neurofeedback and some psychedelics and all this stuff. And I genuinely, when I look for it, there just isn't a voice. There's a knowing of stuff, but there isn't a voice. Yeah, and it was kind of scary at first because it used to be this constant like critic motivating me and it's not there.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
You know, it's funny because the voice shows up, up mostly now when I'm really, really, really tired or really like burned out and just, you know, feeling like things are spinning a little bit and, and so that. Because no matter what. All right, the reason the brain is the way it is is that you've got that brain stem which controls, you know, the breathing and all of the, you know, the functions. Yeah, all the stuff, you know, and then you've got the one above that and then the, the forebrain which developed after. But when, when you're in Fight or Flight, you go right to the basics, right. You know, every bit programming disappears that there was after those years. So, you know, as human beings are developing and this gets into the kind of the light frequencies and all of that. You're in delta basically for the first year, year and a half of your life. Then you're in theta up until you're seven years old, which is basically a.
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Dave Asprey
Dream, dream state, which is why kids are so Dumb.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Right. And so things. But everything that's going in is getting hard coded. Yeah, that becomes the wiring of the brain. And that's why the difference between PTSD and CPTSD is so big. You know, complex post traumatic disorder is occurring in those prenatal first year through the seventh year of life. And the brain gets hard coded for survival.
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Dave Asprey
Yeah, well, semi hard coded. Yeah, it is, it is an asic. You can rewrite any of that.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah, you can. And again, that's why, you know, with frequencies like the 60 Hz that we're able to generate, which is 60 Hz, with harmonics of 60 Hz which is the signature of ketamine, we can break up neuronal nets.
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Dave Asprey
Talk about harmonics. Because ultimately all vibration has harmonics. And if vibration is the foundation of reality. So how do you use harmonics in your system?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Okay, so, you know, the brain frequencies basically go from just above 0Hz 00001 to 200Hz. Okay. Now anything over 60 ish Hertz appears as solid light. Okay. And that's why the fixtures, fluorescent fixtures, they're actually flickering at 60 hertz. They can't really.
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Dave Asprey
They're horrifying.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah, yeah. But you can't really perceive it. But there's a thing called the flicker fusion threshold. Okay. And that is the speed of, you know, the in hertz that a flickering light will appear solid. And what we found is that people with high anxiety have a very low flicker fusion threshold, so they can't tolerate any flickering at all. And you could see the people, like, you know, you make fun of the vegetarians and you know, in all of the, you know, the, the.
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Dave Asprey
But just vegans, the vegetarians are cool.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah. But I mean guys, you see some of these people that are like, you know, really, really sensitive and they're walking through an event hall like I'm in California at the Just Life Expo and my devices are flickering and they go, oh, I can't look at that. Like this giant trauma response. It's just a trauma response. Why, why is that flickering light so.
- [46:45]
Dave Asprey
Upsetting to you with the kind of flickering you're doing? I do feel, and I think everyone feels like low quality, high flicker rate LEDs. And I've done this in rooms because I'm going to turn lights on and people are like, oh, actually I do feel much worse. Yeah, right, right. So there is some sort of cost to them. And then people who meditate a lot, they develop a faster frame rate on reality. So you can take advanced meditators and you can very briefly turn the lights off and back on, and they'll notice it. But people who don't meditate will completely miss the thing. Right. And so I do know that I really don't respond well to flickering lights. And when I certainly. I can use the rooks eve all day long. That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about the LEDs and all. But what it does. And I measure my brainwaves under these. After some amount of time, my whole brain goes into disordered theta. Almost like a seizure. Right. And this can be a mitochondrial network thing. Haven't been able to figure that one out yet, but I don't think they're beneficial for anyone. If it's the wrong flicker rate.
- [47:54]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
Exactly. It's incoherent, it's discordant.
- [47:57]
Dave Asprey
And if you have the right flicker rate, though, I think it's really beneficial because it aligns things and strangely, those don't hurt my brain.
- [48:04]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
Right.
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Dave Asprey
Right. What's going on in there? Do you know?
- [48:06]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah. So what we've been able to do is we've been able to formulate a series of sessions that take you from 0.5 hertz, which is, you know, really slow. Okay. And over time, build that up. Okay. And increase the tolerance to it. And at the same time, we're giving the signals to the body, stimulating the vagus nerve. Everything's okay. Everything's okay. Everything's okay. Okay. And that's really where a lot of these flickering light devices out there now, like consumer models, they don't have. Have that component. So you're putting this stimulus right on your head in front of your eyes, and there's no anchor. So you kind of go, oh. You're like. It's. It's just a recipe for a seizure. You know what I mean?
- [48:51]
Dave Asprey
Wow.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
And so you need that physical anchoring to, you know, get the vagus nerve feeling. Yeah, everything's okay. You know, like. And that's how those harmonics go together.
- [49:03]
Dave Asprey
That's a beautiful pairing, because I just had a guest on. There's 200,000 different branches of the vagus nerve. I mean, it goes everywhere in the body. And what I know very well from heavily meditated from 10 years of looking at brainwaves, if you can induce a feeling of safety in the body and then expose someone to whatever it was they were exposed to, the system goes, wait, if I'm feeling this safe and I'm experiencing what I thought was dangerous, the feeling of safety, if it has awe and Gratitude, It'll overwrite the feeling of fear. And then you don't have the reactivity anymore. This is how the reset process works, but by pairing the safety from the vibration. And it's hard to put words to what the works even feels like, but it's this very deep feel. Like in your sternum, in your heart, in your hips. It's this deep, like, ah. So you're feeling that and then there's some flickery lights. They don't matter. In fact, you can also visualize some other traumatic thing that happened. And you're like, body's safe, body's safe, body's safe. So I think there's really deep healing that's possible 100%.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
We have people that after a certain amount of time don't even see the lights anymore. They immediately just go into lucid dreaming or an out of body experience. And it's interesting because I was at. Back in August, I was at the PSY International Games, the first ever PSY International Games, where this amazing guy put together all these teams of people that do remote viewing, you know, telekinesis, you know, mind reading, like all these things. Right. And they actually competed and like they were writing numbers down in cards and like hiding them or whatever like this. It was like an Olympics for.
- [50:45]
Dave Asprey
Wow.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah. These types of things. And I had a display there. I was one of the sponsors and everybody that got on the device said, I just went where it takes me 30 minutes, minutes to go in 30 seconds. Like when I need to prep to get into state. So we're affiliated with the Monroe Institute. Okay. And we're doing a lot of work together. I'm actually going to be on their faculty next week teaching at their professionals conference in Virginia. And So basically, Joe McMonagle, who's the number one guy in the world, they made a movie about him. He's the guy they based. Him and his team were the guys they based men who stare at goats. Oh, yeah. So basically he has to go to a certain place in order to be able to remote view. Like, he's got to get his mind completely out of the way and shut off. Okay. And so we had a team of people at the SCI International Games that were remote viewers. And they got on the rucksiva under the light. Okay. On the bed. And they were blown away. They said, oh, we wish we had done this before the competition. We would have like done even better.
- [51:52]
Dave Asprey
Wow.
- [51:52]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
Because they were able to access that open that hollow bone space faster.
- [51:59]
Dave Asprey
That's beautiful.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah.
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Dave Asprey
It's funny The Buddhists, when I was learning in a monastery in Nepal, they talk specifically about a hollow bones practice. Right. So there's. There's something about that, and it's. It's like an awareness that's different than our normal awareness that it's possible to go into. Yeah. And there's something, though, that's a part of this, and this ties in with what Joe Dispenza talks about a lot, or possibly Sri Sri Ravi Shankar with the art of living, where we have these different poses and these different breaths that are pulsing our cerebral spinal fluid. But when you're laying on the Roxiva and you're vibrating your cerebral spinal fluid, what's happening?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So a couple of things about that. There's a doctor in California, his name is Dr. Maro Zapatera, and he's like, studying cerebrospinal fluid in the most amazing way. And he's like. He is really realizing and showing that it is the seat of consciousness. Okay. The csf.
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Dave Asprey
Interesting.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah. And so you've got this fluid that our brain is bathing in that our spinal cord is swimming in. It's got a very similar composition to seawater. Okay. And it's purely conductive. Everything is electrical. All right. And basically, you know, through breath work, they've been able to show that you can. With the gates and the holding, you can push the cerebral spinal fluid up and there. Not only are there piezoelectric crystals in our third eye in the pineal gland, but there are photoreceptors. Correct. In the cerebrospinal fluid.
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Dave Asprey
Oh, in the fluid itself.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
In the fluid.
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Dave Asprey
What are they? Because there's no real cells in the csf. That would be.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
There's photoreceptors in the cerebrospinal fluid. Yes. And so when you force that cerebral spinal fluid up into the cavities and you know, that eye of Ra, that's the cross section of all the gates that go through the brain, that the cerebral spinal fluid pumps through when you push it forward into where the pineal gland is deeper than the brain. And you get that pineal gland to illuminate. That's that peak experience, that seed of consciousness. Okay. The life force.
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Dave Asprey
Right.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
What we're able to do, we've actually created cerebral spinal fluid pulsation seconds, sessions. It's 16 seconds on of strong body vibration and 16 seconds of light pulsing.
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Dave Asprey
Wow.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah. So literally, you can just feel the flow. And you get up off of that. It. You feel like you can run through a mountain.
- [54:38]
Dave Asprey
That's amazing. Wow, that's so cool.
- [54:42]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah.
- [54:43]
Dave Asprey
Now, if people are using only the light part of your system, is that expensive? Like, how much does that cost?
- [54:49]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah, so it's 5,500.
- [54:51]
Dave Asprey
Got it. So it's an investment, but it's very powerful.
- [54:54]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
But you get 200 journeys resident on the lamp and you get free forever new journeys from us. We don't have any subscription model. We're not a company. Please. Who needs another damn subscription?
- [55:09]
Dave Asprey
And like, oh, your car doesn't work and Bose just turned off. Like, oh, sorry, we won't support our old devices. So they brick everything that you bought. I don't. Subscription only. And I also understand if it's fully disclosed and you say, okay, this only works if you're tied in with some back end, but you need to know that when you buy it. And then you shouldn't spend that much on the hardware. Right. So thank you for making it, like, actually work.
- [55:36]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah.
- [55:36]
Dave Asprey
So still, though, it's expensive, so you're going to be relatively well off or you're going to buy it and, you know, charge all your neighbors for it.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
And then it's great because it has a group mode and, like, so you can put it out on an arm and you could put like eight to 12 people underneath it, lying.
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Dave Asprey
I'm going to have a party here.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
You can have light parties. People do it all the time. Yeah. And like, you just, you know, you drink kava, no alcohol, you know, and you just kind of. You just flow and it's beautiful. And I mean, I've actually had people put it on a stand facing an auditorium of 100 people with a loudspeaker and subwoofer, and everybody in that room got an experience.
- [56:14]
Dave Asprey
Wow, that's cool.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah, it's that powerful. It's industrial grade. It really is.
- [56:19]
Dave Asprey
Yeah. It's a different experience than the goggles, which work. I mean, I have a pair of goggles from the early 70s. Like, it's somewhere in my town. Museum here. And then when you add the vibroacoustic components to it that work with the glasses, how much more does that cost?
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
So the vibroacoustic bed is $3,900 on its own, but that comes in under, like, most of the vibroacoustics. They're like five, six thousand dollars now. Okay. I mean, back in the day you could get that kind of money because there weren't that many out there. But now, like, every other company's got a Vibro acoustic kind of offering, you know, and it's like, they're all good. But, you know, I just happen to believe that coupling these technologies together is just a home run.
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Dave Asprey
Yeah. This is a competitive price. It's still a lot of money. And guys, you go to Roxiva R O X I V a dot com, and of course, if you use code. So, Dave, you can save $1,000 and thank you for gifting that.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
That thousand is on the light and bed. Together.
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Dave Asprey
Yeah, together. Yep. Okay. And I think there's merit to this. It does work. I've been using these type of things separately since the late 90s. You know, different vibrations, different sounds, different lights. And integrating them in a single system is a new innovation. And I've seen lots of people who have. Have an independent light therapy and just, oh, lay on a vibracoustic. That's probably better than not. But they aren't integrated.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Right.
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Dave Asprey
And it's this idea that you're going to very precisely put them together in recipes that are united that's new and different and unique. And it's very clear you've done a lot of the.
- [58:03]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
It's very psychedelic. It's very stackable too, because you can put a red light blanket over yourself. You can put intranasal molecular hydrogen in while you're doing it. So. So it's, you know, I've got those leg compression things.
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Dave Asprey
Cool.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
You know, and just let that flow.
- [58:18]
Dave Asprey
Everything you can do.
- [58:19]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah. While you're on there. You know, just like when I'm in the sauna, I have that sauna, like that zips up that you offer with your head. Yeah. So I do my mendy. Oh, cool. When I'm doing that for my prefrontal cortex training, you know.
- [58:34]
Dave Asprey
Oh, that's actually like double training. Because if you're doing infrared, you're actually lowering blood pressure in the brain and you're doing mendy, you're moving blood to the front at its low state. So that's like high intensity interval blood flow training. That's interesting.
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Rafael Gianfrancesco
Yeah, it works really well.
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Dave Asprey
Yeah. And. And it's, it's intelligently stacking things and you've stacked light and vibration in a new way. And you can stack it with ketamine as well if you're working with a practitioner, which is kind of cool. So I'm going to be investigating Roxiva within the context of 40 years of Zen and certainly have it downstairs where I'm experimenting with it right now. And I just, I think for anyone listening to the show right now, become more conscious by any means necessary. It. It's time to do that. And I think this kind of modality is much faster than you're going to get. And certainly don't be the guy doing 87 ayahuasca ceremonies and falling in love with a pumpkin or whatever. The latest thing that happens is like that. That isn't healthy. And it's if plant medicine is your path, do it with very well trained and experienced people and practice proper integration. All that and there's just a role for Roxiva. And this is different than sort of the consumer grade tech that's out there. This is, I'll call it Consciousness Explorer.
- [59:57]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
Grade is a good way to put it.
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Dave Asprey
Well, Rafael, it's been fascinating to talk with you. Thanks for putting together all the esoteric pieces of this to make such a unique system.
- [60:06]
Rafael Gianfrancesco
Thank you. Yeah, it's been a pleasure talking to you and keep up the good work.
- [60:11]
Dave Asprey
See you next time on the Human Upgrade Podcast.
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