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Erin Claire Jones
Some of my biggest mottos are like, just get started. Like, when people are like, how did you grow? How did you succeed? Like, how do you get out of analysis? Paralysis. I'm like, I just do it. I do it and I do it messy and I break things and I fail. And then I learn and I shift and I pivot and I do it again.
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Julie Solomon
Welcome to the Influencer Podcast. I'm your host, Julie Solomon. If you found yourself here, it means.
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Erin Claire Jones
You are ready to unleash the powerful visionary that lives inside you, turning you.
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Julie Solomon
Into an authentic leader who creates influence, impact, and change. Let's get started. Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Influencer Podcast. Today we have the incredible Erin Claire Jones on the podcast with us. I have been following her probably since 2020 is when I first found Erin. She is a human design expert and educator and the founder of the Human Design BluePR. So back in 2020, when I was starting to dive more into my own human design, which if you've listened to this podcast for a while, you know that I have had several conversations and experts on to talk about human design. But she is really one of the first people that I ever found who really taught me a lot about my type and how to use that to grow and be successful. And so it was so fun to actually have her on the podcast today to share more about the different types along with her new book that is coming out and really how you can utilize human design to grow into who you were really born to be, but most importantly, live out what your deepest calling and purpose is. I loved this conversation. It was amazing and I cannot wait for you to hear it. So let's get started.
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Erin Claire Jones
Hi Erin, thank you so much for being with us today.
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Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here.
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I'm so happy to have you. We were just kind of giggling offline, talking about just the. The beauty of human design and how complex and yet clarifying it can be to navigate the world, especially once you maybe feels complex, but then once you learn about it, it sets a sense of release and relief, I think. So I'm so excited to have you on the podcast today. I've been a follower and admirer of your work on social media for some time now. So I was just thrilled when we were going to be able to, to have this conversation. And so welcome to the podcast.
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Thank you so much. I'm so, so happy to be here.
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Yes. So for those who either may be new to you or may be new to this phrase, that I'm calling Human Design. Would love for you to share a little bit about you and your work.
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Of course. So first, Human Design is a system based on your time, date and place of birth that reveals your energetic blueprint and how you're wired to thrive in basically every area of your life. You know, as a parent and business, like your day to day scheduling. But it really helps us understand like what is your unique roadmap defining your flow. And it's so cool in that there are like so many human designs. So it's not the kind of thing where it's like, oh, we're the same, like everybody is so unique. I don't think I could have anticipated that I would be working in human design or spend 10 years of my life working with it, but here I am. I discovered human design in 2015, very serendipitously. I was living in New York City and I was at a friend's gathering and sat next to a stranger and he asked to read my human design chart. And I knew nothing about human design, but I was intrigued about what this weird system would say about me. So I was like, tell me everything. And he gave me the most accurate and insightful and confronting reading I'd ever received. And I felt so called out and so seen at the same time. And he actually ended that conversation by saying, aaron, I think you're meant to do this. And he was just like observing, you know, human design is not predictive in any way. But he was observing a lot of potential in my design to translate complex concepts in a way that was simple and made sense to people. And there was a lot of resonance in our design. So he was like, do this. I want to be your teacher and business partners. So that was how it all started. And it is crazy thinking back. Cause I'm like, I don't like, had I not gone to that gathering, had I not met that person, like just so many moments conspired to kind of like totally redirect me. But I would say why I said yes to that invitation is that Human design was so specific in a way that like I said, was so useful. I was like, I feel like you just laid out my inner experience in a way that I've never heard articulated. And it is equally practical. So it doesn't just give us all this juicy self knowledge, which of course is fun to learn, but if we don't know what to do with it, it kind of means nothing and won't have a lasting impact. But I love Human Design because it Gives us all this knowledge and then lets us know how to actually put into action to our lives to experience change. So I have been on the human Design train since 2015 and it was super not cool back then. So it's been really amazing to watch it grow in popularity and awareness because it is one of the most amazing tools I found in every part of our lives.
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Well, and I think that you definitely were a catalyst to that. I mean the. Just the way that you've been able to, to just help so many on social media. And that's where I connected with you. And you know, the way in which you explain it I think is very digestible. And yeah, I think it's really linked to just the awareness of it in that social media landscape. And so let's just dive into it. Let there. There are different types to the human design. So should we start there? Would that be the easiest place to start?
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Yeah, absolutely. So if you want to look yours up, you can look it up@human designblueprint.com and type is a really important piece and it's also just the first piece. So know that if you and your partner are both manifesting generators, or you and your sister both generators, you're not the same. There are some similarities, but again, there's so many more distinctions underneath it. But there are five types. We've got manifesting generators, generators, projectors, reflectors and manifestors. And so I'm going to start with you and if you're open to it, I'd love to kind of use your family as a way to reflect on these as we go. Just because so many represented. Is that cool?
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Yeah, that's totally cool.
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Okay, cool. So we've got manifesting generators first. So this is you. And I know that they're very similar to generators, so you're going to notice some similarities among the two. But manifesting generators are very natural doers. You're somebody who has such energy to kind of build and create and make things happen when you feel genuinely lit up and excited about what you're doing. So one of your biggest life lessons is to prioritize your own satisfaction and see that not as a selfish choice, but as like the most important choice you can make for everyone's benefit because it makes you such a kind of vibrant, enthusiastic, magnetic person. But also as a manifesting generator, you might find that you're quite multi passionate. You might feel like a little bit bored if you're doing the same thing every day. Your career might look a little bit nonlinear, like you are here to pivot and change and shapeshift and evolve. And just like there are so many new expressions of you that are meant to come out over time and over your life. And you're also somebody who's more efficient than most. And so you might be disappointed with others when they cannot keep up with you. And my reminder for you would be they're not meant to. And so knowing that while speed is one of your gifts, it's not a gift of any of us. And so really kind of embracing that gift without, you know, placing that expectation on others. And the last piece that I would share is that you're also very magnetic and that you're not meant to chase after anything. The right opportunities are meant to kind of show up in your world and you just kind of see what feels right in your gut and let that guide you.
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So how does that land, if at all? Do you see that?
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Yeah, as a men Jen, that Definitely lands for me because I feel like I change. Like, I used to think I was, like, crazy because I would change my mind a lot or I would, like, go back and forth to something. It's like, I don't want to do this. Well, no, wait, I actually do. Well, now I don't. Like I did last week, but I don't now.
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Yeah.
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And I think maybe just letting myself off the hook with that, like, with, you know, things are going to feel fun and exciting, and then I have the gift of choice and the right to change my mind. But what's been really helpful, I think, with just understanding to the capacity that I do, which we're going to dive more into that today about manifesting generators is that gut instinct. And, like, really listening to that. And it's like, if it's a no, it's a no. If it's a yes, it's a yes. And so a question that I'll ask myself when I'm, like, presented with an opportunity. And I'll just tap in and I'll just be like, does this feel for fun and for free for me? And if it feels for fun and for free and exciting, and if I kind of get that jolt, then I'm like, oh, okay, I need to do it. Whereas it. If I don't get that and I do it anyways, it starts to feel like a chore. And it's like something that I have to do, and I get really restrictive and really burnt out and really bogged down by it. And so I think just the more that I try to tap into that gut, the trusting of the gut, the better it is.
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Yeah. And this is something that all generators and manifesting generators will share is they have this very powerful gut instinct. And it means that you're either going to feel pulled towards a thing or kind of pushed away. And your gut is your most powerful tool to help, you know, like, what you have the energy for and when. And so I love that you're checking in because it can change. You might be like, no, it doesn't feel fun. And then like a week later you're like, oh, my God, it feels like the most fun, you know, but it is kind of trusting your gut to guide you, because I think exactly like you said, when you trust your gut to guide you, you have so much more energy and you actually can like, make something happen in a really sustained and powerful way. Whereas if you're not trusting your gut, it can just, like drag and drain your energy. And then, like, that frustration spills out. And other people feel that.
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Yeah, yeah, totally tracks.
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So for your daughter. So let's talk about generators. So again, very similar generators are also very natural doers. They kind of are meant to wake up energized and excited, use up their energy throughout the day fully. And that allows them to kind of drop into bed and be like, they can sleep well if they haven't fully used their energy. And I can imagine this is especially potent as kids. It'll be hard to go to sleep. So bedtimes are a little bit hard when they haven't fully used their energy. But they are very similar to you in that, you know, they are here to prioritize their own satisfaction. So I think as a parent to a generator, really just seeing what, like, satisfies her and lights her up and excites her and creating more and more space for those things. And generators are a little bit different in that they might not enjoy doing all the things, but more kind of being very dedicated to one thing and then to the next next, you know, so really kind of going deep into something and enjoying the step by step process of bringing an idea to life. And they are also similar to you in that they're meant to kind of let things come to them and wait for something to spark their gut response before they go after it. So do you kind of notice that, like, Energizer Bunny vibrant nature to your daughter?
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Oh, for sure. And quick question on this too, because she's a generator now at three years old, she will always be a generator.
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Julie Solomon
Right.
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Erin Claire Jones
That does not change. Okay. Yeah, yeah, I definitely see that. I mean, not only is she a child, but just even the difference between. I have an older son, which we'll talk about in a moment, and just the difference between them and the fact that she can. Just the immense amount of energy that she has to go and go and go and go and go is vastly even somewhat different than me because I actually, I feel like I kind of relate. Even though I do have. I am a Manifesting Generator. There's more like, manifester sides of things that I feel more called to.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, she's just. She's an expansive ball of. Of Energizer Bunny and energy.
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Yeah. And it's helpful to know because you might be a parent who, like, I know I have a Manifesting Generator daughter. I'm like, I can't keep up with you, you know, so also remembering that, like, that's okay. That we're really different in that way. And yeah, I think that, okay. Well, let me keep going. Okay, so let's talk about projectors. You don't have any projectors in your family, is that right? The one type that's not represented. So projectors are really designed to be kind of teachers, leaders, guides, advisors, not here to do all the doing. And so as projectors, I'm going to say our, because I am a projector, but our energy really ebbs and flows, you know, so we're meant to kind of create a lot of space and rest and pause in the days. So often when we're around a lot of generators and manifesting generators, which are most people, we can feel all this pressure to keep up and do more and make more happen. So it's a big lesson for us, and it's one I'm still learning 10 years in. I mean, actually 34 years in that, like, it's okay to take a break and it's okay to be unproductive, and it's okay to, like, just rest without guilt. And so knowing that, like, our gift is not how much we do and our output, but really kind of our perspective and how we see projectors are so naturally insightful and intuitive and sensitive to people. And so they really thrive in positions where that is the gift that's being tapped into. Our strategy in human design, which is kind of how we create opportunities, is to be invited into things. And so I would pay attention as a projector, where do you feel the most invited in? Who sees your gifts the most clearly? Who makes you feel the most authentically recognized? And who invites you to share them? And, you know, the story I shared about being introduced into human design, like, that's how my life has been. Where it's been like, somebody's like, you would be great at this. And I'm like, oh, like, does this invitation feel right? And I really follow that. And so really paying attention to kind of where those invitations are showing up in your life makes sense.
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So good. Yeah, it totally makes sense. And I just want to remind everybody again so you can go to It's Human Design. Yes. Human DesignBlueprint.com to get yours. I would highly recommend getting it and even coming back and, like, listening to this episode again, because more things are going to pop off for you. And if you use the code Julie J U L I E, you're going to get 10 off of your blueprint.
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Totally. And you can look up your design totally free. If you want to, like, learn all the things and get the whole book about you, use it as cat Julie and Then you're gonna get the whole thing.
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Yes. Which I would highly recommend because it's pretty expansive. I have one. It's like over 50 pages. And it's not just about your types that we're talking about, but it's about your channels and so much more that maybe we can kind of scratch the surface of later. So definitely go and check that out. And as Erin's talking, I want you to be thinking about, based on your type, if any of this is resonating with you as well.
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Yeah. And just to give you guys a little bit of context, like, we're talking about the five types. There are 400,000 plus versions of the blueprint. And so then you kind of start to be like, oh, we're all really different. You know, this is like mine and this is gonna be different than somebody else's. Okay. Wow. So then we've got manifestors.
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Yes.
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We're kind of going down in terms of how rare they are. So manifesters are 8 to 9% of the population. So that's interesting.
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My son.
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Yeah, your son. And so manifestors. And I'm so curious how you see this show up with your son. But manifestors are super powerful. Like, they're often the people that I just, like, feel when I walk into a room. Like, I just like, there's such a kind of like intense, like, focus, kind of provocative energy where they really are here to kind of do things in their own way and on their own terms. These are not people that are here to be guided or told what to do, which is a thing to navigate. As a parent, you know, it's like, how can I create freedom within bounds? Manifest Your energy does kind of operate in this creative spurts. I think a little bit of what you experience also is a manifesting generator, which means that they might be totally on fire for a couple of weeks, a couple of days, a couple hours, and they need to kind of pull back and be alone. And then the energy kind of surges back. And so it's so important that they, like, don't force themselves to be on and available all the time, because often in the restful periods is where the new ideas will be born. Manifesters are also really good at starting things, but not necessarily great at finishing them. And like, and I don't want to say not great at. They're just like, that's not their gift. They're good at, like, getting new ideas off the ground. And so in an ideal world, they can kind of like be the starter and have the right support around them to kind of take this idea off their hands so they can free their idea up for the next thing to initiate. And freedom tends to be a very core value for manifestors in every part of their life. You know, how to feel free in business and relationships in life. And their strategy is to initiate. They're the only type that's just here to like follow the urges that arise within them and just go for it. And so I would, I would say as a parent to a manifester, you know, really learning how to again give him freedom within bounds. Like if there's like a day, a week where he can like totally call the shots, you know, and establishing a very kind of healthy communication dynamic where he can kind of let you know what he wants and what he desires and you can explain why you're saying that he can't do something. But also observing the kind of ebbing and flowing of the energy. So do you observe that in your son?
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I do. Like, he is, he's always been very self determined and self motivated and self driven and self focused. He knows what he likes and what he doesn't. Like, he knows what he wants to focus on and what he doesn't want to focus on. He has a healthy competitive focus with him, you know, really just kind of competitive with himself. He wants to really make sure to do whatever is, is well in his eyes. Like he wants to give it his all and whatever that means for him. But yeah, there, there is a time where it's like, I can't force solutions with him. I have to. Like the other day we were, he had to pick out electives for next year of school and there were certain ones that I'm like, don't you want to try this? And he's like, no. And I'm like, but it'd be fun. He's like, I don't want to do that. And I'm like, okay, I can't. Like, just because I think it would be fun doesn't mean that he's going to think it's going to be fun. And so really giving him that sense of agency over himself I think is really key. And, and to hear his ideas, like being a manifester, I'm like, what do you think? You know, what's your idea? What are you tapping into? Because I know that there's so much that I can learn from him.
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Yeah. And they just like often do things differently than most and so being curious about like what is the way, like what is the way of being in school and being in family and all these things that actually feels right to you. And I love that openness of, like, being initiated by him and seeing where it takes you.
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Yeah.
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The final type is a reflector. This is the rarest type. You're married to one. So what opposite design to yours. So as a reflector, and I'm again, so curious if you witness this in him, is reflectors, in some ways will identify with all the types, because every day they're going to feel a little bit different. They will have days where they feel like a manifesting generator, like a projector, like a generator. And so their job in life is not to box themselves into showing up consistently or in just one way, but to honor whatever feels like them that day, knowing that they are, like, so vast in the way that they're here to express themselves in the world. And also, like, over the course of their life, you know, they might be many different things. And you might notice that with your partner, where it's like, oh, wow, at home you're like this, and then at work you're like this. And like, God, there's just, like, so many sides to you, and they're all you. And, you know, and I think reflectors can struggle if they see that as inauthentic instead of just seeing that as like, oh, my God, I just have so much. To me, one thing for reflectors to be aware of is that they're meant to be very, very ruthless about where they spend time and who they spend time with, because they magnify the energy that they're around. And so it's so important for them to kind of be in spaces and around people that feel really good. And you're a great example of that. Like, you're married to one. You being lit up by your work is going to make your partner more energized by everything he's doing. So it's like, to everyone's benefit that you take good care of your own energy because he'll feel it. And reflectors are honestly just so wise. They just, like, see and sense and feel things that most people don't. And so it's really good for them to be invited in to kind of share their perspective. And also, one question I have, and then I'll stop talking because I want to hear your thoughts, is that you're, like, a fast decision maker. And this is another part of your design, like, super fast gut instinct in the moment changing. It's like. It's amazing. You have instantaneous clarity. Your husband is the opposite. You know, he is meant. What'd you say?
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Complete opposite. And he's got to talk about it, and he wants to, like, feel through it. And I'm just like, I made the decision four weeks ago. Like, where are you?
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Yeah, he's like, I'm still in my process. So, like, he is meant to give himself a full 28 to 30 days in an ideal world, not always possible for a big decision. And like you said, feeling into things, talking through it. And so it's just helpful to be aware in moments like that where it's like, he's not being too slow and you're not being too fast. You're just different. And it's like, how can you honor that? And sometimes it might be him trusting you to make those quick decisions because, like, he's like, I need more time, and maybe this one's not very important. And it's also you being like, oh, God, it's so worth waiting for you to get clear. And so let's give it that 30 days. Even though I knew 30 days ago, because then we're going to be on the same page at a united front. So tell me, do you notice those things in him?
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Yeah, I definitely do. And there will be certain things where he'll. He'll ask for my input, or not even my input. He's just sharing.
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Yeah.
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And I've had to learn that, too. It's like he's talking it out, and I'm like, why are we talking about this?
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But talk about it.
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Right? But I'll just say to him, like, you know, you'll figure it out. I know you'll figure it out. Like, just try, you know, just trust yourself and just keep. Keep processing until you do. Even though I already know where he's going to go, like, I. I'm already there. And then a couple of weeks later, he'll be like, you know what? X, Y, and Z. And I'm like, great idea. But then there's other times where I kind of have to just declare, you know, so it's. And I'll give you an example. We were going to sell the house. And, like, he was on board, but I could tell that he was going to need a lunar cycle to, like, say. So I just finally said, look, we're selling the house. We're going to buy a new one. You're invited. We'd love for you to come. Me and the kids are moving, and we would love for you to join us.
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We'd love for you to be part of the journey. Yeah, yeah.
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We'd love for you to come. You're invited, you're included, and we're selling the house. It's done. And so I just kind of had to do it right. And like, eventually he catches on. But as a wife, it's allowed me to really understand how to better communicate with him, how to not take things personally and to also really just be aware of his vibe and energy. Because there's going to be certain days where I can drop in and share things with him. And then there's going to be certain days that I'm like, this is not the day. Like, he's just not, like, he's not going to be able to receive because he's got a lot of other things going on. And it's also really interesting too, in social dynamics that I really have to be aware and pay attention to his body language, to how he's feeling. Does he feel comfortable? Does he not? Because then that actually dictates if we're even going to stay in that environment or not. And so that's really fascinating. But because of his type, like, he's incredibly intuitive. Like, he won't even talk to someone, but he will be like, he'll like, know what someone is going through just by being in their essence. So I kind of think of it as, you know, he's just constantly like, sampling, sampling, sampling, sampling. And at times I'm like, okay, we need to ear muff it. Because it's. He needs to also shake the energy off. And there will be even times that I will recommend him sleeping in a different room if I just ask. Yeah, yeah. If I just feel that, like, the energy is too meshed.
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Yeah.
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That I'll be like, you need some good sleep. I don't want you to be disrupted tonight. So why don't you go sleep in the guest room and I'll sleep here and. And then, like, we both just sleep better and he wakes up feeling way more fresh and renewed because otherwise he's even going to be like, taking that energy on while he's asleep. So.
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I know. Well, it's so taboo. And I'm just so glad you brought it up because I think that the recommendation for many of us in human design is to sleep separately. And it's not to sleep separately all the time, but it is to notice those moments where it's like, oh, I'd really actually benefit from sleeping in my own energy. Because exactly like you said, we just impact each other when we sleep. You know, like, he's taking it all in while he's sleeping. But you also might be impacted by like somebody like you might sleep with your daughter and she's going through all this emotional stuff and you're taking that in. So whatever it is, like, there's just something about sleeping separately that allows us to wake up as ourselves and in our own energy. So I love the wisdom around that. So, and I just love, you know, you sharing about all that because I think so often in relationships we experience friction, not because there's some fundamental disconnect or, you know, impossible way to relate. It's more that we just don't understand each other. And I think human design really offers us the tool to be like, oh, we're just different. We make decisions differently, we process differently, and these are all the ways that we can honor our differences. And I find that when we really understand that about each other, we feel so much closer and we also like feel so much better.
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Yeah.
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So those are the main types.
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Those are the types, yeah.
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Yes. And then, yeah, there's also something called profiles. Can we get into those a little bit?
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Do you know your family's profiles, by the way?
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I do, yes. So I'm a 1 3.
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Yeah.
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My daughter is also a 13 generator. My son is a 36 manifestor and then my husband's 24 reflector.
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So your husband's really different than the rest. Okay, cool. Yes.
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Which he loves.
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So if you look up your design@humandesignblueprint.com like we said, you'll also see your profile. The profile is a fraction looking number. So again It'd be like a 13 for context. Just so you guys know where this is coming from. There are 12 different profiles and those profiles are made up of six different numbers. And I share that. Not to complicate things but just to say I'll go through each of the six numbers. So listen to the two numbers that make up your profile. So Julie as a 13 would listen to the 1 and the 3. Her husband as a 2 4. Listen to the 2 and the 4. You know, if you're a 6 2, listen to the 6 and the 2. There are different meanings based on the combination. But this will kind of give you the essence of each profile in a way that you can kind of start to play with it. And I love hearing that you and your daughter are both 1/30 and that you and your son share the three. Because I find that even more so than type, sharing a profile creates such a sense of resonance where you just kind of like, like get each other so ones. So this is for you and your daughter. And I have two ones in my house as well. So I see it. These people are such natural investigators. You are somebody that is here to like dive deep into things and learn things and research and like, there's something so satisfying about, like, understanding all the details. Like, you're probably somebody that was like, oh, human design. Like, let me, like, dive deep and like, try to understand what it all means, you know, like, that's just how you learn. And so having space and time to kind of just research and dive deep and ask questions is so important for you. You're somebody who's really here to be an authority in what you do and. And it requires building that kind of very solid foundation. And that's going to extend to relationships as well, where it's really important to kind of be in relationships where it feels like the foundation is like, super solid and secure. And I would say for your daughter, you know, just paying attention to, like, what rabbit hole she wants to go down, because she is also a very natural investigator like you. And the last piece that I would say for any kind of entrepreneurs or honestly, anybody who's working out there, if you're in a job as a one that you no longer care about diving deeply into or investigating or mastering or learning more about, it's probably not going to be the right thing for you long term. So just kind of seeing where your curiosity is pulling you and what you actually feel drawn to learning more about. How does that feel to you? Do you feel that?
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Yeah, I've always been this, like, fact finder, like, wanting the information, especially about things that light me up. Of course, not for everything. If it was like, studying something I didn't care about, I was horrible. And I would make bad grades.
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Grades.
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But when it was things that I was actually passionate about, I wanted to know everything that I could possibly know about that topic or subject.
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And that's a healthy distinction. This is not about being like, oh, I'm gonna, like, investigate everything. It's like the things that I care about, like, I cannot stop learning about. Yeah. You know, and having that time is so key. Okay, then we've got twos. This would be your husband?
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Yep.
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Twos have two really important things to keep in mind. One is their very natural hermit. So time and space alone to be in their own flow is an essential need, you know, and it's just like no disruption and just like seeing what they feel drawn to. So that's really, really key. The second part of being a two is that you really bring this kind of innate talent and genius to whatever it is that you do. So you're really meant to lean into what feels the easiest and the most natural to you. And often we don't assign worth to Those things, it's like, I can actually get paid for that thing. Like I just do it anyways. But what comes the most naturally to you is exactly where you're meant to go. So similarly, in business or in work, like I would think about, are you actually investing your energy into things that feel natural and easy and you just like, it feels very flowy to you or things that feel like really hard and you're forcing it? Do you notice that stuff in your husband?
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Yes. I mean he's an actor by trade. And so I think that that really just that isolation to create and feel through and be artistic, I think is a huge, huge part of him for sure.
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Yeah. Cool. Okay, then we've got threes. So threes are very naturally entrepreneurial. You are somebody that like, not only because you have the one, like you not only have to dive deep into something, like you've got to learn, like in a very hands on way, like you've got to try things and fail and experience and see what works and what doesn't and just like keep doing better. And so like sometimes as threes, they can make themselves wrong for the process being messy, for failing, for it not working out. What I would remind you in all threes is in some ways there's no such thing as a mistake for you because everything that doesn't work brings you closer to what does. So it's just giving yourself the time to kind of reflect on what's not working and how you can improve it. And where I see threes often struggle is when they're kind of like behind the scenes, like trying to make everything perfect before, say, putting it out into the world. And they don't quite realize that putting it out into the world is actually going to be the fastest path to kind of learning and growth. So just like again, learning in a very hands on way. Do you see that in your own life?
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For sure. I mean, it's why like some of my biggest mottos are like, just get started. Like when people are like, how did you grow? How did you succeed? Like, how do you get out of analysis? Paralysis. I'm like, I just do it. I do it and I do it messy and I break things and I fail. And then I learn and I shift and I pivot and I do it again.
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Totally.
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And I just keep doing it.
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And threes are so resilient. Like they're some of my favorite people to learn from because they just have that perspective. They're like, oh yeah, I tried that didn't work. This is What I learned. And so, like, I think another lesson for threes is, like, never underestimating the value of sharing their personal story. Because, like, the journey that they've gone through, the successes, the failures, all of it can be so advantageous and beneficial to others.
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Oh, that's great. Great feedback.
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And then we got four. Is so your husband. So fours, you know, our community is kind of the most important thing for them. This is not about having a big community, but having the right community. Like, they often need kind of just like a really solid circle of relationships. And often they're gonna feel the best when they are working with people they want to be friends with. You know, if they have, like, a deep friendship with their partner. Like, often these are people that meet people through their friends or people that they know. It's not about all these things coming through strangers or dating apps, but, like, it's more coming through their community. And so not only do they kind of need that strong community and that tight community, they also. It's important to realize your opportunities come through your community, so it's important to invest in that. Like, you might be launching a new business and all your friends, first clients, or, like, former colleagues or friends. Like, that's the most normal thing for a four. Or you started dating your best friend, you know, or started dating somebody that was introduced to you through a colleague.
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Oh, that's so good. Yeah, we met through a mutual friend, actually. And I think collaboration for my husband is so key. It's not about quantity. It's just about the quality of people that he gets to work with and surrounded by.
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Totally. And especially, like, as an actor, that's going to be such an immersive experience. So it's like, are these people that I actually like, want to be friends with and want to have time with, because that's going to make all the difference.
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Yeah, I love that.
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And then we've got. And also, just for context, as you can hear, for her husband, he was a hermit and also community. So that just gives you a little bit of a sense of the balance of, like, our profile lets us know how to find balance between two seemingly opposite yet often equally important parts of ourselves. So not spending so much time alone that he feels isolated, but not spending so much time with people that he's totally fatigued. Okay, then we've got fives. I don't think you have any fives in your family. The one line that's missing. So fives are very natural problem solvers and fixers. Really good at kind of Offering new solutions and ways of seeing things. The key for them is not trying to solve every single problem and really only solving the ones they feel like, on fire and, like, uniquely equipped to solve. It's often easy for people to project things onto fives, to think that, like, they can do everything. So they also need to be really discerning about, like, am I saying yes to this thing because it's my desire or because it's somebody else's desire for me? And then we've got sixes, which is your son. Your son. Well, sixes. I'm a six, so I love sixes. But they. I will just say kind of on a higher level, and I'm curious if you see this in the. In your son. Like, they just have this kind of, like, innate wisdom and this kind of bird's eye view. They're often kind of perceived as, like, old souls from a very young age. Do you see that?
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Oh, yeah. We, like, went into this crystal store one, one day. This was a few months ago. And the woman that owns it is psychic. And she, like, looked at my son and she was like, he's really old. She was like, like, really, really old. I'm like, he's nine. She's like, no, he's old.
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Oh, a different way.
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Yeah.
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That's amazing. But that is such a characteristic where they just, like, they carry this kind of innate objective wisdom. And they often are kind of like, really good at kind of pulling back and taking the higher view and inspiring the sense of possibility in others. But they tend to live their life in three phases. And your son is in the messiest phase. You know, like, the first 30 years is like, it is just trial and error galore. Like, this is the time for him to just, like, experiment and throw things against the wall and see what works and what doesn't. And so, like, I think it's so important that he. And he's nine years old. So, like, obviously he's not trying to figure out his life right now. I hope not. But, like, you know, he's not here to kind of put any pressure on himself to figure himself out. And hopefully you don't either. You know, where it's like he's just here to, like, try it all, gather as much experience as he can. It's going to be messy, but I think as a three, you probably know that. Well, 30 to 50 is really meant to be a time where he just becomes a wiser about what's worth experimenting on and what's not. And it can happen sooner. But, like, it's often time to kind of pull back, see things from, like, a much higher view, just kind of embodying all the wisdom and experiences he's gathered over the first past 30 years. And he's actually meant to hit his prime when he turns 50. Which doesn't mean that you've got to wait or that he's got to wait, but it just means that, like, it just, like, all integrates within him where he becomes such a role model, not because he's, like, telling people what to do, but just because he's living it. Like, he's just, like, such an example of authenticity that it really inspires others to be around him.
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Oh, that's awesome.
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Which is really cool. But again, the wisdom is always there. It's just gonna keep kind of taking on different forms. And I think as a six, when I first found this out, I was like, I want to be a role model now. And I just, like, have learned that, like, there's such magic in every single phase. And the first 30 years for me was, like, so much fun as soon as I stopped trying to figure it all out, you know, and so just kind of enjoying the magic in each one.
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Love it.
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Yeah.
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So good.
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So much so.
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I mean, because there's so much to unlock and uncover.
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Yeah.
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Would. Would you suggest. And just because we have so many, you know, entrepreneurs, creatives, people that maybe even be looking for their purpose and their passion. I know that your type will help you figure that out. Your profile also allows you to do that. But is there anything else in the channels, or is there, you know, anything. Another specific thing when someone is looking at their. Their blueprint or their chart that you would say, this is something to really pay attention to because it's going to really inform and direct how you show up in the world.
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Yeah. Well, two pieces come to mind. One is around decision making, which we referenced a little bit with you and your husband. I think that, like, we're all making decisions every single day. And so I think, like, that, to me, is arguably one of the most important parts of human design, because it just helps us know how to assess what's right for us in every little mom moment. And so that's a piece of our design called authority. And so just to kind of give people a glimpse into that. You know, some people, like you are meant to make decisions very instantaneously based on your gut feeling. You know, other people are meant to kind of sleep on things and feel into things and give themselves time to feel into it. Some People are like your husband, where they've got to give themselves a full 28 to 30 days. Some people have to talk things out like they aren't clear until they say a thing out loud. And like, like, then it kind of becomes clear for them. And so I would say that that's a really. And I can go through each of you, like. But I think that's a really important piece to get into because I think that so often we're trying to make decisions from our mind of what we think we should do in creating these pro con lists. And I think it helps us connect to, like, a more intuitive, clear knowing within us.
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I think that's good. I would love to dive into that since we have a little bit of time. Yeah.
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Okay. So there are people like you, if it's sacral or trust your gut, which is all about trusting your gut feeling in the moment. And I think exactly like you said around the fun and free. It's really helpful for these people to ask themselves and have others ask them specific questions for me to be like, okay, do you want to do this or not? And that's probably going to be the easiest way for you to kind of access your truth about a situation. Okay, does that make sense?
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Yep.
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If you're emotional or wait for clarity, it means that. That you will probably feel an initial instinct about something. And then it's important to kind of give yourself a day or two to see if that instinct changes in terms of, like, before you say yes, you kind of want things to feel like, calm and clear and settled before you commit. Then we've got splenic or tune into your intuition. And these people, similar to you, are meant to be very fast, very quick. It's not this kind of like, visceral belly feeling like you might feel. It's more like a quiet whisper. It's like a voice. They hear tingles. They feel like kind of a quiet, intuitive, instantaneous knowing. But they are meant to be super spontaneous. And it often requires taking time away from others for them to kind of connect to their own intuition because it's so, so quiet. Then we've got Tune into your. What is your son, by the way? Do you know?
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He is manifester. He is emotional authority.
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Okay, so like, for example, like, he's here to initiate things, but he's here to kind of not do it. Spongebob. Spontaneously. Not quite as fast as you. You know, give yourself a moment. There are some people that are. Tune into your. I know this language can be annoying. Tune into your Willpower, also known as ego. These people are meant to kind of say yes to things based on what their heart is pulling them towards, what they feel motivated by what they really desire, what they want. It's like if they don't think they're like, getting a thing out of something or they don't actually desire to make it happen, like, they're just not gonna have the energy to show up for it. There are people called self projected, also called Talk it out, where the best and fastest way for them to find clarity is to just speak about a decision aloud. And it's not about trying to, like, logic their way into it. It's just speaking about it with somebody they trust and seeing how it feels. And what I notice with these people is when the decision feels right, like, the tone of their voice will change, it just feels like there's conviction, there's clarity, it often becomes even a little bit higher. Whereas, like, when it's not right, there's like they're convincing themselves into it. There's confusion. It feels like a little bit murky. And then two more. There's also mental projectors that's talking out and be in the right space. Sounding board. So many different names, but very similar to what I just shared. Talking things out, but often kind of planting themselves in the right space in many different spaces, and kind of seeing what truth stays true over time as they talk things out. And then finally, it's going to be reflectors. They all make decisions in the same way, which is giving themselves 20 to 30 days to make a big decision. And I just want to caveat that by saying it's not always feasible to give yourself a month. And so it's just like. I think what's most important for your husband is that the decisions he's making are not full of pressure, urgency. And he feels like he has ample space, if they're important ones. Ample space to kind of disentangle his feelings from other people's feelings.
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Yeah.
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So it's just a really useful piece, and it's so immediately applicable. And the other piece that I was going to mention, and we can use you as an example if you'd like, is there's a piece of our design called Open Centers. I know there's a lot of jargon here, just so you guys know, the blueprint, it doesn't go through all the jargon because it's confusing. But the Open Centers are basically the areas where we can get the most taken off track in our design. And I find that's really useful because when we understand where we can get the most taken off track, we can stop being taken off track quite as much because we're just aware of what's happening and we can kind of find a way to move back into our flow.
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That's nice. Yeah, I remember my husband's chart.
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He's like completely open in every single area. Yeah, there's like, no, there's no definition. And that's what makes reflectors so unique is they're open in every single way. And that's why the example you shared is so powerful where it's like without even talking to somebody, he can sense what's going on because he just is sensitive to it all. He can feel their emotions, their fears, how they feel about their work, their stress, their ideas. He just reads people really well. But his lesson, as with all of us with open centers, is that it's not his stuff he's feeling. So having a strong boundary between what's his and what's not, that's so good. But like for you as an example, you're like a hyper empath. You know, you're like super, super sensitive to other girls feelings. And if your son's emotional, then probably really, really sensitive to his feelings in particular. And so a big lesson for you is like, even though you feel so much, it doesn't mean that you've got to be responsible for it or take it on or fix it. And it's really good for you in moments of like high emotional intensity around you to take a little bit of space to yourself. And then also I would say a big piece for you. And I'm curious whether this has showed up at any point of your life is, is because you feel so much. It can be easy to sometimes avoid confrontation or sugarcoat things or not express your truth just because like you're going to feel the ramifications of that. And it's like, let me just avoid it. But I would say a big lesson for you is like actually just to say the thing and know that like not saying the thing takes up so much more space than for just saying the thing. So do you feel that sensitivity? Yeah, yeah.
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There's a lot of times of just like not using my voice. And it's actually in my chart start like to use my voice. And so it feels very unauthentic if I'm not doing that. Because if I want to just avoid a confrontation or if I'm just like, well, like, I don't know, I can figure it out. It's Going to make more of a mess if I say something, so I'll just handle it. But like you said, it actually just getting it out there is kind of the catalyst to then making it better than what I. Than what I think. I always think it's going to be worse than it is is if that makes sense.
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Totally. And I always remind these people that, like, just thinking about the thing and not saying it is like the biggest energy suck ever, you know, versus, like, just saying the thing. And so what I find is so useful at these parts of your chart is just like, again, just being aware of, like, okay, I have a tendency to kind of try to fix and be responsible for other people's feelings and avoiding confrontation. Now that I know that I can, like, start to notice those moments where I'm getting, like, lost in it or avoiding confrontation and kind of like, choose a different path and it.
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Yeah. Yep. And. And I think that's been a big lesson for me of especially even as a coach, you know, it's. It's a gift of mine to call people in, to be an authority, to teach them, to articulate what it is to be the educator. But it's not really. The outcome is not my responsibility. And that's been like a huge, just lifelong lesson of, you know, people pleasing and fixing and, you know, let me, Let me do it. And, and it's, you know, it's like, let people have. Give people the dignity of having their own experience too. 100%, which is a beautiful thing.
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Yeah. And often, like, things just need to be felt. You know, I work with so many parents that have a similar dynamic with your son, where it's like, he might be feeling a lot and it's like, oh, I've got to, like, make it better. And it's like, but maybe he's just got to feel the thing and then I'll see him on the other side.
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Yeah. Like, maybe he just has to feel bad right now and that's okay.
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Right. Which is like, for those of us that have that emotional center to find, like, him, it's inevitable. Like, we just have to have those moments of highs and lows and, like, see what happens on the other side.
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Side.
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I'm curious, like, for you, I know you shared a little bit about this, but knowing the designs of everyone in your family, like, how has that changed how you interact with them?
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I think it changes the interaction in terms of not taking things so personally.
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Totally.
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Especially with how I communicate because my, my, my. Especially my husband because he is so rare and Unique. And, you know, there could be times that if people don't understand that about him, they may find him like. Like, you know, he's weird or, you know, he doesn't talk a lot, or he's very introspective or whatever, but it's like, well, that's just part of his process of experiencing life.
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Yeah.
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So I think the communication has been really cool. And then I think also with my children knowing their design and. And so we. We want to advocate for their success or to set them up for whatever that's going to be based on, how that's going to support their design. Not so much of what we may think is best. And I think that that's been really unique as well, of just letting them lead and. And showing us kind of what is the best path. And then, of course, we can protect and nurture and do all the things that we need to do as parents and adults. But I think that that's just a really cool tool that when I was growing up, we didn't, you know, we didn't have any of that. And so I think that's a dynamic, too, of just trusting the process, or they're feeling this way, or they're responding this way, or they're not responding this way, because that is their makeup and that is their design. So now that we know what we know, we can take a different approach. And that's been really cool.
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Exactly. And I just think that's such a beautiful reflection on, like, just noticing the areas where we are expecting others to kind of be similar to us or be a certain way. And I think, like, regardless of whether or not human design is a tool, you choose to work with it. Just, like, it reminds us that we're all so different, where it's like, oh, yeah, what you think might be best for your daughter or son might actually be totally different. And your son, you're like, oh, like, you're gonna need this, because I do. But, like, he might need something totally different. And so I think there's something so powerful about just being like, oh, we're all wired so differently, and we're gonna have very different needs.
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Yeah. Yep. And then making sure that we give that. Like, with my daughter, for example, if we haven't utilized enough energy, I'm gonna be like, we've gotta go outside and let her run and move and shake and feel and experience, because she's gotta get this energy out. If not, let's, like, it's gonna be a long night for everybody.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. Yeah, but it's helpful because it's not like there's nothing wrong with her. She's just gotta fully get it out. And it's gonna happen as an adult, too, even for you, where it's like, if you haven't fully expended your energy, it'll be hard to sleep. So making sure that, like, that's. Whereas you're like, your son and husband are just like, I can get in bed before I'm tired and just naturally unwind. Yeah, yeah.
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They're just like, chill. I'm done. And my son was always so easy to put to bed and, like, easy to do that. And then my daughter, I'm like, whoa. This is like a whole other dynamic.
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Oh, that's so interesting. Cool.
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Yeah. Well, Aaron, thank you so much for being with us and sharing your gifts. So, as I mentioned before, and I'm going to say it again, you can go to humandesignblueprint.com you can get your design. If you want to dive deeper and get the blueprint, you can use the code Julie J U L I E for 10 off. I highly recommend it. It's just going to give you so much about your channels and your incarnation cross and all of those things. I think I said that. Right. But as well as that, Aaron, where else can people, if they want to work with you, if they want to deepen these concepts, if they want to go, they may get their. Their blueprint and they're like, okay, I need to understand this deeper. So what are the opportunities to work with you in a deeper capacity? Or if they just want to kind of start to flirt with this a little bit more, where should people follow you to start to get more of that information?
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Yeah. So I think if you're, like, curious to, like, learn about your design and how you can actually use it in your life, the blueprint is the best place to start. So again, use Julie on Instagram. I sometimes share a lot. I'm in the midst of writing a book, so not as much right now, but I'm at Erin Claire Jones on Instagram and also Human Design Blueprint. And if you want to go deeper, if you want to learn human design, which I recommend for those that like, just like you, where you're just like, oh, I'm just, like, curious. You don't also want to become a reader. It's going to give you so much insight into everything. We have classes that dive into every aspect of the chart, and they're super practical. And it's like, how does it Apply to family and career and parenting. And then also I do offer limited private sessions. That link is pretty impossible to find, but it is in the link in my bio on Instagram. It's the only place you can find it. It's not even on my website, so that I offer limited sessions there. And so that's a really nice channel. Chance to kind of talk through it all.
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Beautiful. And do you have a pub date for the book yet?
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May 2025. I know I gotta finish it, but yeah.
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That's so exciting.
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Yes.
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That is a whole other adventure, my friend. So just get ready.
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Oh, my God. I know. I'm just like, I'm just gonna finish the book and then I have a baby due in September, and then the book will come, and then.
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Yes. Yep. You finish writing the book and then the real work happens is what they tell you. I know.
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I thought the proposal was work.
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Yeah. Yeah. So I remember finalizing my manuscript, you know, and I was like, yay, I'm done. And they were like, great, now the real work happens. And I'm like, what are you talking about? But it's an amazing journey. I'm so excited for you. We'll have to have you back on the podcast to talk about your book.
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I would love that. Thank you so much.
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Okay, thank you and have a beautiful day.
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Me too.
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