Dems & GOP FREAK OUT About Ukraine Peace Talks!

Summary

The Jimmy Dore Show — "Dems & GOP FREAK OUT About Ukraine Peace Talks!"

Date: December 1, 2025
Host: Jimmy Dore (guest host Chris Keane)
Guests: Kurt Metzger, Misha Paulin
Main Theme:
A sharp, irreverent panel dissects the U.S.-brokered Ukraine peace talks, bipartisan outrage, media credibility crises, and the ongoing failures of political and media establishments. The hosts offer biting commentary on U.S. foreign policy, media consolidation (notably Bari Weiss's new CBS role), and the manipulation of public perceptions about war, division, and political leadership.

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1. Overview of Episode

This episode’s central focus is the potential peace deal between Ukraine and Russia, brokered by the Trump administration and the resulting backlash from both Democrats and Republicans ("the Uniparty"). The panelists delve into the United States’ outsized role in the Ukraine conflict, growing domestic skepticism about continued military aid, and the media’s attempts to control the narrative. The show also lampoons prominent voices in media (Bari Weiss, Bono) and exposes the shortcomings of establishment politics on issues ranging from poverty to endless war.

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2. Key Discussion Points & Insights

2.1 Ukraine Peace Talks and U.S. Involvement

[01:55–14:18]

• Breaking Peace News: Chris Keane reports the Trump admin has brokered a peace deal ("We might have peace in Ukraine. We might now. Donald Trump said he was gonna end the Ukraine war in 24 hours." [01:55])
• Deal Details & Controversies:
  • The U.S.-authored 28-point plan requires Ukraine to cede a fifth of its territory, dramatically shrink its military, and abandon NATO ambitions (Wei Jia Jiang, [03:23], Chris Keane, [06:26]).
  • Democratic and Republican politicians both express outrage — Dems call it "pro-Russian," while neocon Republicans object to Ukrainian concessions.
• Battlefield Reality:
  • U.S. Army Sec. Driscoll tells Ukraine it faces "imminent defeat" and U.S. can't sustain arms flow ([06:26]; Driscoll’s grim prognosis).
• Host Critiques:
  • Kurt Metzger lambasts both parties and Europe/NATO for sabotaging earlier peace ([05:15–05:45]):

    "They had a peace deal, if you recall, where it could have all been over right away... but scumbag Europe wanted to keep going."

  • Chris and Kurt highlight U.S. aid hypocrisy — billions for Ukraine while Americans face poverty and homelessness ([06:16]):

    "We have $174 billion to give to spend on Ukraine." — Chris Keane

2.2 The Politics of Endless War

[10:02–16:43]

• Policy Disconnect:

  • Mitch McConnell and the "turtle people" are mocked for pushing peace that "rewards aggression," despite polls showing Ukrainians reject losing territory ([10:04–11:19]).
  • Kurt bluntly reveals his stance:

    "I'm on Russia's side. I'm fully on Russia's side. Ukraine's not even a real fucking country." [11:14]

• Collapse of Support for Ukraine in the West:

  • Social media trends shift; the panel notes Americans no longer care about Ukraine, referencing virtue-signaling and symbolic gestures (Ukraine flags, Twitter bios) ([05:57–06:14]).
  • U.S. is accused of using Ukraine simply to "bleed" Russia, prolonging suffering for geopolitical aims ([13:34]):

    "Everyone shrieking that the US peace plan betrays Ukraine has, in fact, betrayed Ukraine by exploiting its divisions..."

• Historical Parallels and Media Amnesia:

  • Missed 2022 Istanbul peace talks are cited as a lost opportunity—terms then were more favorable to Ukraine; 1.4 million now dead ([14:46–16:43]):

    "This means... Ukraine and Russia came close to a peace agreement in April 2022 that was in many respects more favorable to Kyiv." — Chris Keane

2.3 Media Manipulation, Bari Weiss & Trust in News

[19:21–29:08]

• Bari Weiss’s CBS Appointment:
  • Chris and Kurt skewer Bari Weiss’s claim to represent "the center"—and her goal to define the "acceptable" bounds of debate ([19:50–24:34])

    "She's going to tell us what's acceptable debate in American political and cultural life." — Chris Keane [19:56] "It's just going to be all that woke shit, but now it'll be us, the great nation of Israel, doing it?" — Kurt Metzger [21:11]

  • Bari insists her leadership will restore trust via "enthusiastic, charismatic" centrist news (Bari Weiss, [22:43]).
• Panel’s Take:
  • Mainstream media, they argue, has always lied—just better at it in the Cronkite era ([23:44–24:03]).
  • The Free Press’s sale to Paramount for $150M is evidence the media is an elite racket ([26:44–27:23]).
  • Any push for 'balance' is shown to be another elite attempt to gatekeep opinions—especially when it comes to Israel ([28:11–28:22]).

2.4 Manufactured Division – Joe Rogan on "Unity"

[31:58–40:55]

• Joe Rogan Clip:
  • Rogan's viral statement:

    "If you're clinging on to this left versus right... you're getting caught up in their bullshit game. Most people want the same thing..." — Joe Rogan [31:58]

  • Panel agrees: division is manufactured by "foreign governments and special interest groups" ([32:49]).
  • Online debates are constantly manipulated by bots/shills, not real people ([34:39–36:41]).
  • "We have more in common than what divides us. And that is their biggest fear. That we finally come together." — Misha Paulin [39:41]

2.5 The Futility of the Two-Party System & Populist Anger

[41:46–49:42]

• Tucker Carlson Segment:
  • Tucker denounces the Republican Party as "betrayers":

    "I hate them too much because they're such betrayers." — Tucker Carlson [41:52]

  • Both parties ignore quality-of-life issues, leading to economic despair, populist surges, and the doomed hope for real change.
• Effects of U.S. Foreign Aid:
  • $174B for Ukraine, $21B for Israel (since Oct 7), $300B to Israel since 1946—all cited while domestic poverty soars ([47:44–49:02]).
  • The panel asserts:

    "It's a big club and you, ain't it? And that keeps proving itself true over and over again." — Chris Keane [49:53]

2.6 Bono, Trump Derangement, and American "Ideas"

[49:53–59:57]

• Viral Bono Clip:
  • Bono claims America is the best idea, but Trump is "potentially the worst idea" ([50:36–51:18]).
  • Hosts ridicule Bono's hypocrisy in befriending Bush, a proven warmonger.

    "Lied country into illegal invasion of Iraq, killed a million people... These are Bono's good Republican friends here." — Chris Keane [52:18]

  • Kurt:

    "Those aren't really ideas, though. No, Donald Trump's more of an idea." [54:59]

  • Panel suggests the real evil is U.S. policy, economic inequality, and bipartisan warmongering—Trump is just one more symptom.

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3. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Ukraine Peace Plan:

  "The plan would put a 600,000 person limit on Ukraine's military and bar Ukraine or any other new member from NATO." — Chris Keane [06:26]

• War & Hypocrisy:

  "We have $174 billion to give to spend on Ukraine." — Chris Keane [06:16]
  "You ever fly into Chicago... do you want to give your change to Ukraine at self checkout? My change to Ukraine? ...Don't want to fight the war, and the reason I know is because they have to keep stuffing people into vans to make them do it." — Kurt Metzger [06:49]

• Endless War as Policy:

  "Everyone shrieking that the US peace plan betrays Ukraine has, in fact, betrayed Ukraine by exploiting its divisions, backing a coup, sabotaging reasonable diplomatic opportunities, and using it to bleed Russia." — Chris Keane [13:34]

• Media Satire:

  "So she's going to tell us what's acceptable debate in American political and cultural life." — Chris Keane [19:56]
  "I find it hard to believe Alan Dershowitz is one of the most electrifying..." — Kurt Metzger [20:13]

• On Manufactured Division:

  "If you're clinging on to this left versus right... you're getting caught up in their bullshit game. Most people want the same thing..." — Joe Rogan [31:58]

• On U.S. Establishment:

  "It's a big club and you, ain't it? And that keeps proving itself true over and over again." — Chris Keane [49:53]

• Bono & American Ideals:

  "America is like the best idea the world ever came up with. But Donald Trump is potentially the worst idea..." — Bono [50:36], mocked by panel for naivete and hypocrisy.

• On Presidents and Policy:

  "We all learned that the president ain't in charge like that, didn't we?" — Kurt Metzger [56:08]

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4. Important Timestamps

• 02:13–04:50: Trump peace plan specifics and bipartisan backlash
• 06:14–07:14: U.S. aid to Ukraine, and neglect of American poor
• 10:02–11:19: "Turtle people" and polling in Ukraine; Kurt’s blunt pro-Russia stance
• 13:34–14:18: Ukrainian deaths, betrayals by the West, Istanbul talks
• 19:21–24:49: Bari Weiss, CBS, and the gatekeeping of acceptable debate
• 31:58–34:16: Joe Rogan’s viral “unity” message
• 41:46–43:15: Tucker Carlson's denunciation of the GOP
• 47:44–49:02: U.S. foreign aid vs. domestic poverty
• 50:36–54:59: The Bono clip and America as "idea" debate
• 56:33–59:57: Poverty, homelessness, and the bipartisan failures — leading to Trump’s appeal

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5. Tone and Style

The tone is sarcastic, irreverent, and combative—often profane. The panel employs fast-paced banter, pop culture riffs, and caustic humor to expose the staggering disconnect between elites ("the Uniparty") and the struggles of average Americans. Quotations are delivered in their natural register: biting, informal, punctuated by mockery and exasperation.

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6. Summary Takeaways

• Peace in Ukraine might be near—but only by imposing harsh terms on Ukraine and triggering bipartisan outrage for reasons that have little to do with Ukrainians’ actual interests.
• Both U.S. parties, the State Department, and the media are portrayed as arms of a global oligarchy, far removed from ordinary citizens’ concerns.
• Media narratives are manufactured and policed by powerful elites (like Bari Weiss at CBS/Paramount), who sell "centrism" as tolerance while excluding genuine dissent.
• Populist frustrations—whether expressed by Trump voters, progressive critics, or Rogan’s call for unity—are rooted in persistent poverty, endless war, and systemic betrayal by both wings of the establishment.
• The show urges listeners to question "acceptable" narratives—about war, politics, and who benefits from keeping the public divided.

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“We have more in common than what divides us. And that is their biggest fear. That we finally come together.”
— Misha Paulin [39:41]

Transcript

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[Chris Keane]

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[Kurt Metzger]

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[Chris Keane]

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[Kurt Metzger]

And hits him head on.

[Chris Keane]

It's the Chim Show. Welcome back to the Jimmy Door Show. I'm your guest host, Chris Keane, filling in for Jimmy. He's on his way back from Australia here with Misha Paulin and Kurt Medzker.

[Kurt Metzger]

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[Chris Keane]

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[Kurt Metzger]

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[Chris Keane]

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[Kurt Metzger]

Carrot Top. It's a. It's a. It's anti Semitic. You saying that. I don't think you know what you're saying.

[Chris Keane]

Well, good news, Kurt. We might have peace in Ukraine. We might now. Donald Trump.

[Kurt Metzger]

I'll wait to hear from Barry Weiss. Thank you.

[Chris Keane]

Donald Trump said he was gonna end the Ukraine war in 24 hours. It's been a long 24 hours, guys. Let me tell you that here we.

[Kurt Metzger]

Have day for like God is as a thousand years to middleman.

[Chris Keane]

A U.S. official told CBS News on Tuesday that Ukraine's government had agreed to a peace deal brokered by the Trump administration to stop the war with Russia. The head of Ukraine's Security Council was less definitive, saying they had reached a common understanding. President Trump says only a few points of disagreement remain in that he will meet with the Ukrainian and Russian leaders only when the deal is in its final stages.

[Kurt Metzger]

Oh, between that and the Epstein files, it's going to be a big week. President Trump says only a few points of disagreement remain on a possible deal to end the war between Russia and Ukraine.

[Jimmy Dore]

The president says he will meet with the leaders of both countries only when the deal is in its final stages.

[Kurt Metzger]

We get more now from Wei Jia Jiang at the White House.

[Wei Jia Jiang]

Even amid peace talks, a new barrage of Russian drones and missiles pounded Ukraine overnight, killing seven people and wounding at least 20. Just hours later, President Trump remained optimistic.

[Jimmy Dore]

I think we're getting very close to a deal.

[Chris Keane]

We'll find out.

[Wei Jia Jiang]

A U.S. official tells CBS News Ukraine has agreed to a peace deal. But the head of its Security Council was less definitive, writing they had reached only a common understanding on the core terms of the agreement discussed over the weekend. It's unclear what changed from the initial 28 point peace plan authored by the US which drew bipartisan criticism for how much Ukraine would have to concede, handing over a fifth of its territory to Russia, shrinking its military by one third and giving up any hope of joining NATO. Senior Democrats today called on the president to stop pushing what they called a pro Russian, one sided peace deal. How likely is it that these two countries can actually agree to a deal?

[Chris Keane]

Well, I don't think it's likely at.

[Kurt Metzger]

All, to be quite frank with you.

[Chris Keane]

Because Trump's not putting any pressure on Russia. I think that there's got to be pressure applied to Russia so that Russia gives and then we get closer to a peace agreement.

[Wei Jia Jiang]

Secretary of the Army Dan Driscoll met with Russian officials in Abu Dhabi today. But Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, speaking in Moscow, said they had not received an updated version of the plan. Ukrainian President Zelensky insisted that any final agreement must include security guarantees to ensure Russia does not invade again.

[Chris Keane]

I'm ready to meet with President Trump. There are sensitive points to discuss.

[Wei Jia Jiang]

Tomorrow, shuttle diplomacy will be on full display, with President Trump directing key negotiators Steve Wyckoff to meet with Putin in Moscow and Army Secretary Driscoll to meet with Ukrainian officials. And depending on how much progress is made, Zelensky could soon come to the US to meet with Trump.

[Kurt Metzger]

Okay, Weiji Jang at the White House. Thanks so much. You know, Zelensky wanted to pull out three years ago and Boris Johnson. What you have to do is keep Boris Johnson from getting on the grounds at any time.

[Chris Keane]

Mm.

[Kurt Metzger]

And Queering the deal because the idea that it's hard for them to make peace. They had a peace deal, if you recall.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

Where it could have all been over right away.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

But scumbag Europe wanted to keep going. And also the. Well, it's just the NATO in general. Can we leave NATO? What I'd like is them to sign a deal where we leave NATO.

[Chris Keane]

Now you're thinking, I like that, dude.

[Kurt Metzger]

I talk to friends in New York and they're dumb as shit and they don't know anything and they really are like, I haven't thought about this in a while, but they're still rooting for good old Zelensky. What a hero.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, I've noticed people don't even think about Ukraine anymore. I never hear people talk about it. It was the most viral thing ever. Everyone had the flag in their bio now. Now you never see anything. But I have a lot of friends though that ask, you know, why wouldn't you want to keep supporting Ukraine? And here is why.

[Kurt Metzger]

With my money or my tweets.

[Chris Keane]

Exactly. We. $174 billion. And we've probably spent more than that. As Kurt pointed out earlier. $174 billion on another country's war. And as I've pointed out a million times, Today we have 35 million people living in poverty, over half a million homeless people, 21 million people with no health care. We had people who couldn't get. We had people who couldn't get snap benefits. Guy can't get a sandwich in New York. But we have $174 billion to give to spend on Ukraine.

[Kurt Metzger]

So yeah, no. Dude, do you ever fly into Chicago and they were doing do you want to give your change to Ukraine when you self check out at the air, I couldn't believe it, dude. My change to Ukraine don't want to fight the war. And the reason I know is because they have to keep stuffing people into vans to make them do it.

[Chris Keane]

And this is all. This is also very anti semitic because Israel needs this money. You know we can.

[Kurt Metzger]

And thank you that. Chris, you already said my next point. We already have a first wife. Okay, Tell our side piece. Hey, your money's on the dresser. I'm finished with you.

[Chris Keane]

All right. Tilted heavily towards Russia's aims, the U. S. Backed proposal presented to Ukraine last week set off alarm bells in Kiev and other European capitals. Ukraine and its allies offered a set of counter proposals that revamped the plan's points. Ukrainian and European leaders expressed optimism about the talks momentum, but but awaited responses from Washington and Moscow that are crucial. Based on talks between Washington and Moscow, the 28 point plan presented to Ukraine calls on it to cede its entire eastern region of the Donbas to Russia, which invaded its similar neighbor in February 2022. The plan would put a 600,000 person limit on Ukraine's military and bar Ukraine or any other new member from NATO. It also would rule out NATO troops in Ukraine and does not commit the US Or European nations to Ukraine's defense if Russia attacks again. Russia would commit to no more attacks on Ukraine, facing sanctions if it violates that pledge. Ukraine and its European allies said the plan rewards Russian aggression and scrambled to offer counter proposals aimed at shifting the balance towards Ukraine, such as lifting the cap on Ukraine's military power, leaving open the question of future Naito membership and postponing discussions of territorial concessions until after a cease fire. US army secretary warned Ukraine of of imminent defeat while pushing initial peace plan In a meeting with Ukrainian officials in Kiev last week, US Army Secretary Dan Driscoll delivered a grim assessment. Driscoll told his counterparts their troops faced a dire situation on the battlefield and would suffer an imminent defeat against Russian forces, two sources with knowledge of the matter told NBC News. The Russians were ramping up the scale and pace of their aerial attacks and they had the ability to fight on indefinitely, Driscoll told them, according to the sources. The situation for Ukraine would only get worse over time, he continued, and it was better to negotiate a peace settlement now rather than end up in an even weaker position in the future. And there was more bad news. The US Delegation also said America's defense industry could not keep supplying Ukraine with the weapons and air defenses at the rate needed to protect the country's infrastructure and population, the sources said. And here we have the lovable Mitch McConnell, everybody oh, he's alive. We've got. I'd love to get advice on war from the guy who supported Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years.

[Kurt Metzger]

Is he still there or did he finally resign now?

[Chris Keane]

He's I think he's still there as far as I know you're joking. Okay, Mitch says. I'm told that to criticize a proposed deal that initially hewed closely to Russia's preferred outcome is to misunderstand or misstate some critical reality on the ground. So let's talk about reality on the ground. This fall, Ukrainians were polled on their views of war termination. Overwhelming majority would reject plans to constrain Ukraine's military and for fit territory they controlled, 76 say they would fight on in the absence of US support. In other words, a peace deal that doesn't secure Ukraine won't actually stop the killing. The price of peace matters to Americans, too. Demand for Ukraine to give up territory is a fringe position among Trump voters. More popular sanctions on Russia and support for Ukraine. Yeah, I think there's a difference between thinking that Ukraine should give up territory and Russia should win the war.

[Kurt Metzger]

More popular with who? The other turtle people?

[Chris Keane]

Well, no, I mean, I understand not being. Of course, no one's. I don't think many people are on Russia's side in this.

[Kurt Metzger]

I'm on Russia's side. I'm fully on Russia's side.

[Chris Keane]

Kurt is on Russia's side.

[Kurt Metzger]

But Ukraine's not even a real fucking country.

[Chris Keane]

The point here is that the US can't afford Ukraine.

[Kurt Metzger]

Excuse me.

[Chris Keane]

To be. To be funding this for endless amounts of years. Conclusion. The most basic reality on the ground is that the price of peace matters. A deal that rewards aggression wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on. America isn't a neutral arbiter.

[Kurt Metzger]

The aggression was Ukraine. Ukraine was the aggressor. Ukraine was the goddamn aggressor. Shut the. I hate that turtle. Why is he still alive?

[Chris Keane]

Well, here's a friend of yours, Kurt. This guy has a Ukraine flag in his bio. He's the last one left.

[Kurt Metzger]

Hey, does anybody know when Trash day? I gotta throw out a big box of Ukraine flags, BLM signs, and Covid masks.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, imagine China occupying California, Nevada, Arizona, and Oregon. And then the EU telling America, make a deal with the occupier or we won't support you. Absurd, right? No country would accept that. Yet this is exactly what Ukraine is being told today.

[Kurt Metzger]

What we said to Palestine.

[Chris Keane]

And let's. Let's not forget Ukraine gave up the world's third largest nuclear arsenal under US Security guarantees. And they trusted America. Now Ukraine being pushed to surrender their land to the same aggressor that invaded them. That isn't peacemaking. This is betrayal.

[Kurt Metzger]

Well, it is betrayal, but go fuck yourself. First of all, what is.

[Chris Keane]

What is the alternative? That's. What is the alternative. To just continue to spend hundreds of billions of American dollars on an endless war that just never.

[Kurt Metzger]

That's what they want. They want endless war because somehow it will weaken. Russia. Clearly don't care about. Because helping Ukraine would be to immediately end the war and shut the fuck up so that you can stop stuffing them in vans and murdering them for the. The oligarchs that were. I don't know, what in the hell like Lindsey Graham must have a belly full of blood by now. We can end it, right?

[Chris Keane]

Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

So this nonsense about the Ukraine war. Yo, half the country spoke Russian on purpose. We just how we made Al Qaeda and isis. We armed the Nazis there. Most of the Ukrainians aren't Nazis, but they're not armed. And backed by the US government, who backed the psychopath Nazis, who are the ones that kept that going. Even Zelensky, that punk didn't want to keep going. He didn't want to. They had to send Boris Johnson to ruin it.

[Chris Keane]

It's right here, everyone shrieking that the US peace plan betrays Ukraine. Has in fact betrayed Ukraine by exploiting its divisions, backing a coup, sabotaging reasonable diplomatic opportunities, and using it to bleed Russia. Zelensky said it best back in March 2022. Here's a video. Everyone has varied interests. There are those in the west who don't mind a long war. Because it would mean exhausting Russia. Even if this means the demise of Ukraine.

[Kurt Metzger]

Oh, you don't say.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, exactly. And comes at the cost of Ukrainian lives. This is definitely in the interest of some countries. I have a feeling we're one of those some countries.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah, but not as much as Europe. And the thing is, the problem is, at the end of the day, British soft power and all those scumbags in the eu, they're kind of still the top of that little new world order plan.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah. Here we have Claire Daly saying once upon a time, even mentioning the Istanbul talks would earn you years of harassment and smearing as a stooge. Now, after four years with 1.4 million dead and Ukraine destroyed, the Irish Times finally acknowledges this horrific war could have been ended with better terms for Ukraine in 2022. This means that although Ukraine and its European allies can influence Trump, particularly if Vladimir Putin is intrans. How do I say that, Transigent? I'm a moron. They will probably have to accept. They will probably have to accept some version of his peace plan. If this happens. The tragic irony will be that Ukraine in Russia came close to a peace agreement in April 2022, less than two months after the full scale invasion that was in many respects more favorable to Kyiv. This is what you were saying earlier, Kurt.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah, we reported on it back then.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah. A draft communication from the istanbul talks on April 15, 2022, offered a more robust security guarantee, including the imposition of a no fly zone over Ukraine in the event of renewed Russian aggression. It did not involve sweeping territorial concessions on Ukraine's part and treated most territorial issues as Unresolved. With no Western recognition of Russian control of occupied areas, under the 2022 plan, Ukraine would have become a neutral state and would renounce NATO membership, but would be allowed to join the eu, just like under the new plan. Both plans reaffirm Ukraine's non nuclear status and a full judicial amnesty for war crimes. An estimated 1.4 million people, 1 million Russians, and 400,000 Ukrainians have died since the start of the current conflict. Almost all of them since the istanbul talks in April 2022.

[Kurt Metzger]

Do you see these idiots? Ago, Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons. Are you out of your mind? Of course they should give those up. The most corrupt country in Europe. Do you understand how bad it is to be the most corrupt country in Europe? That Belgium is in Europe.

[Chris Keane]

Yep. It just blows my mind that we see this time and time again where we have these endless wars and you get to the end of it and things end up worse than when started.

[Kurt Metzger]

What do we learn from this?

[Chris Keane]

Yes.

[Kurt Metzger]

What does that teach us?

[Chris Keane]

What does that teach us, Kurt?

[Kurt Metzger]

It teaches the new world order thing is real and we're going to move to that no matter what.

[Barry Weiss]

Okay.

[Kurt Metzger]

They all say it. Well, they all say it, right? Condoleezza Rice, the great Condoleezza Rice, recently said. Hey, kids, you understand about Ukraine, do you want. Because apparently, like the Highlander, there can be only one at the end of the game. Okay. They all think that. They all say it.

[Chris Keane]

I love that you do.

[Kurt Metzger]

I don't think that.

[Chris Keane]

I love that you do. Highlander. I love that movie. That's from like 40 years ago.

[Kurt Metzger]

Russia. You guys should watch Russia. That doesn't even have a good LGBTQ+ program for your kids.

[Chris Keane]

Well, I hope this piece is going to be real this time. It's unbelievable to me that 1.4 million people are dead. I don't think continuing that is the answer.

[Kurt Metzger]

That's Israel's goal number, what they accomplish of killing off Ukrainians with this. Israel's like, we want to keep it going until we get. Because there's only, what, 2 million people in Gaza? Half the Israeli population wants to hit numbers like this.

[Chris Keane]

Well, that's a whole other topic, Kurt. Now we're getting off track here. We gotta.

[Kurt Metzger]

They're all connected. It's all the same bullshit. They're gonna go as long until enough blood for these ghouls is in the ground.

[Chris Keane]

And I don't know why these people think that. Oh, if we just keep funding the war and keep killing people, I think it's gonna work out better. I mean, It's. I don't know. I don't know.

[Kurt Metzger]

They're called programmed idiots.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, it's.

[Kurt Metzger]

Or they've forgotten about it. Honestly, I look at this the way Trump looks at Epstein. Like you're still talking about Ukraine.

[Chris Keane]

Yes, exactly. Yeah. It's unbelievable. Anyways, I hope this is the actual end of this.

[Jimmy Dore]

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[Kurt Metzger]

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Chris Keane]

Welcome back to the Jimmy Dore Show. I'm your guest host, Chris Keane. I'm filling in for Jimmy. He's on his way back from Australia as we speak. I'm here with Misha Paulin and the hilarious Kurt Medzker. Barry Weiss is saving the country. Good news, folks. Bari Weiss says she wants to use her new perch at CBS News to quote redraw the lines of what falls in the 40 yards of acceptable debate. I can't wait for someone to tell me what's acceptable debate.

[Kurt Metzger]

I can't think of a better person than this bird from atop her perch.

[Chris Keane]

So she's going to tell us what's acceptable debate in American political and cultural life. She says the aim is to sideline voices like Hassan Piker, Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes and elevate charismatic figures such as people she agrees with is what that should say.

[Kurt Metzger]

You don't think the Dersh is one of the most electrifying, which is what.

[Chris Keane]

She refers to as where the vast majority of Americans actually are. So that's loving.

[Kurt Metzger]

Alan Dershowitz. Is that true? I find it hard.

[Chris Keane]

According to Barry Weiss, apparently they just.

[Kurt Metzger]

Look into that melted princess bride. Remember the miracle worker from the Princess Bride, Billy Crystal in that melty makeup. Oh, yes, that's what he looks like. Imagine some poor girl at Epstein Island. You got to look at that melted human.

[Chris Keane]

Here's Barry Weiss.

[Barry Weiss]

All of us see the moment that we're in and all of us see that the choices that it feels like we have sometimes. Which is Hasan Piker and Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes and Andrew Tate, the kind of people that are rising in the podcast charts, those don't actually represent our values. And I don't think that they represent the values and the worldview of the vast majority of Americans. Right.

[Chris Keane]

You know, who represents our values? Cnn, Fox News, you know, billionaire owned media companies. That's who represent our values.

[Kurt Metzger]

So let me get this straight. It'll be all that woke shit, but now it'll be us, the great nation of Israel doing it?

[Chris Keane]

Exactly right.

[Barry Weiss]

Okay, that's fair for the 75%, for the people that are on the center left and the center right, that still believe in equality of opportunity, that still believe passionately in the American project, that still believe in all of the things that everyone in this room believes in, which is liberty and freedom and individual responsibility. And in the most basic level, the right to know what is actually going on in the world. Not the world as propagandists and ideologues imagine it to be, but what's actually going on in the world and in your community.

[Chris Keane]

Right. And mainstream media always lets us know actually what's going on. You know, Joe Biden is healthy. Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. The vaccine is safe and effective. You know, we, they always tell us the truth, they always let us know what's going on.

[Barry Weiss]

Make decisions about where you to send your kids to school, about where to live and about how to vote. That used to just be normal. And the goal of what we're trying to do at CBS is to, is to get back to that normalcy. And I feel incredibly energized and enthusiastic because I think that is where the vast majority of Americans actually are.

[Chris Keane]

Oh, of course, Shapiro's there. So that articulation of that set of goals to speak into the lives of the 75%, how are you going to do that? What's your strategy for success?

[Barry Weiss]

So I think one of the problems is a lot of people have tried to do centrist news. I know this because I am like the target audience for those things. And the reason that they have all failed is it's like trying to force feed spinach down someone's throat. Right. It's felt very like tofu oatmeal. It's like centrist news is choosing the midpoint between every single topic. It's felt like an absence of charisma and identity. And I, you know, as nostalgic as people might be for an era in which 30 million Americans every night watch Walter Cronkite and saw him as the voice of truth and I understand why they're nostalgic for that. We're not going back to that. So how do you build trust in a moment of unbelievably low trust in all of our public institutions?

[Chris Keane]

That might help. That might help. How about, yeah, wow, I wasn't around for Walter Cronkite. But the news back then, from what I understand, was just telling you facts. And then you made up your mind. The news now tells you what to think.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah. By the way, they were lying to you back then as well. Don't think they weren't. Walter Cronkite narrates the Bohemian Grove owl ceremony. But they were better. The lizards then were better than these lizards. You know, they were more qualified. They're lizard kids or can't work the projector too good is how I like to say metaphorically.

[Chris Keane]

Well, you know, we used to have news I feel like that would. Would get. Give you information. Then you decide what to think. Now the news tells you what to think. And, And I think Barry Weiss does that on her platforms. I mean, pretty much everyone does that now. That's how news is.

[Barry Weiss]

I don't think it's by pretending like we can go back to having a view from nowhere. I think it's about who's in the room. Right. I think it's about redrawing the lines of what falls in the 40 yard lines of acceptable debate.

[Chris Keane]

And who decides what acceptable debate is? Barry Weiss. She decides what's acceptable. That.

[Kurt Metzger]

Well, I mean, the person who puppets her and whatever, she's not. Look, I've spoken to her before. She was very nice when I talked to her, but it was very clear she doesn't know what she's talking about.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

[Kurt Metzger]

It's like a socialite or something. I like what we. We talked about that. That soccer player they just overthrow in Pakistan for not supporting Ukraine enough. Remember con? Okay, I happen to be talking on the phone because they were gonna book me and Kyle do on some show and uh, oh, that guy's crazy. He was dating this opera singer and he wouldn't let it. Just start telling me gossip. I'm like, oh, she's silly.

[Chris Keane]

Did she say he was an Assad toady? Yeah. Is she?

[Kurt Metzger]

Might as well say, Jamie, look that up.

[Chris Keane]

Let's see.

[Barry Weiss]

Acceptable American politics and culture. I don't mean that in like a censorious gatekeeping way. I mean having people that are ex. That are clearly identifiably on the center left and on the center right in conversation with each Other. And we've been doing so much of this at the Free Press. I was in. Where was I? Chicago last week. I think I've lost all track of time where Dana Lash, former spokeswoman from the nra, was debating Alan Dershowitz on guns. Now, these are people that have wildly different opinions on the Second Amendment and yet showing that they can have good faith, very passionate, very charismatic disagreement and still like each other. At the end of the day, we think it's important. And so it's for me, it's always about the curation, like who's in the room. How are you showing centrist news not as the absence of disagreement.

[Chris Keane]

First of all, she just described a podcast. That's all that that is two people debating something or having a conversation. You just described a podc. We don't need you. And CBS News.

[Kurt Metzger]

Well, America's a podcast at this point, aren't we? I mean, it's certainly not a country. It's an idea. It's a podcast.

[Chris Keane]

That really is true. That's all social media is just people.

[Barry Weiss]

And the absence of charisma, but explicitly charismatic and disagreeable and yet doing it in good faith. And the other way you do it is, you know, by, by being really honest with your audience.

[Chris Keane]

Like, oh my God, seriously. All right. O. Barry Weiss is now CBS News editor in chief after Paramount acquires the Free Press. Journalist and entrepreneur Barry Weiss is taking charge at CBS News and her startup, the Free Press is being acquired by CBS parent company Paramount. She will continue to run the Free Press as a standalone brand within its new owner, Paramount. The company did not release details about the transaction, but the Wall Street Journal reported that Paramount is paying about $150 million for the startup. You know you're getting the straight news when you're getting paid millions of dollars for it.

[Kurt Metzger]

It's a Larry Ellison's Paramount or his boy.

[Chris Keane]

Yes, it's a buzzy and risky move. The editor of a digital magazine with a clear editorial POV collaborating with one of the country's oldest broadcasters. That reflects Paramount CEO David Ellison's desire to shake up CBS News.

[Kurt Metzger]

Oh, that'll be a real shake up.

[Chris Keane]

A monopoly the Free Press has won. Created plenty of fodder for critics with heterodox columns and features. Since the site launched as a newsletter in 2021, its volume of so called anti woke content has stood out in a crowded media landscape. So have its opinion pieces conveying strong support for Israel view that Ellison outspokenly shares.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah, he don't live there though. Does he get there?

[Chris Keane]

Yeah. Have you ever been. I thought we were getting unbiased news now. What's only on. Only on guns.

[Kurt Metzger]

Only on guns.

[Chris Keane]

Only on debating.

[Kurt Metzger]

But on Israel, let's get. Look, here's the 40 yard line. You're talking about possibly not giving Israel your fucking money. And that cannot be within the bounds of this football game. It is just a game. You have no power and your vote means nothing. So now all that stuff is to adjust the rules to suit. To sue me, apparently. Good. Yeah.

[Chris Keane]

In a letter to all Paramount staffers on Monday, Ellison bemoaned partisan division and hostile disputes in America and said the media amplifies the very partisanship tearing our society apart. At Paramount, he said, we aim to do our part in helping rebuild a society where our shared humanity unites us and where our differences become a source of strength rather than division. The all the media does is divide us. What is it? That's all they've ever done.

[Kurt Metzger]

It's the oldest form of controlling control known to man.

[Chris Keane]

And now he's pretending they're going to do something different. Different.

[Kurt Metzger]

Rebuild the society.

[Chris Keane]

They did.

[Kurt Metzger]

They're working that dialectic scam. So we just had an enacted on purpose. How many years of like, insane nonsense, Right. Or you lose your job. Right. And now they're going to swing the pendulum the other way, within the range they want. This has happened like a few times. And that's how you know, Trump did blow Bubba. That's how you know he did.

[Chris Keane]

In a statement, Ellison said, we believe the majority of the country longs for news that is balanced, in fact, base, and we want CBS to be their own.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe starving them kids is okay. I'd like to hear the balanced view of that.

[Chris Keane]

Yes, please tell us the balance view.

[Kurt Metzger]

I wonderful woman that said we shouldn't have told about the Holocaust because now they. People get emotional when we Holocaust someone.

[Chris Keane]

Right? Weiss is expected to meet with CBS News staffers. In her letter to subscribers, she said of Ellison and the Paramount Leadership. Leadership team, they understand, as we do, that America cannot thrive without common facts, common truths in a common reality.

[Kurt Metzger]

Oh, you don't really. But I could be really poor, though, right? And you could be like in Tomorrowland, Right? You don't mean in that regard. You just mean we all love Israel, right?

[Chris Keane]

Exactly. As long as we're all in agreement on that, we're good. Here's Glenn Greenwald. The example Bari Weiss gave of the charismatic mainstream debate she believes will revitalize cbs, namely the gun control debate she arranged has so far been watched by a grand total of 860 people in five hours. So that's, that's a lot of views she's getting on this stuff. And here we have Hassan saying what makes this funnier is that her outlet, CBS News, is currently trying to set up a debate with me.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah, so they're going to punt him.

[Chris Keane]

I guess so. So, yeah, if you want the truth, gotta go to Barry Weiss. That's the only person who's telling you the truth. And how dare you listen to anyone else. That's where we're at, apparently. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Jimmy Dore Show. I'm your guest host, Chris Keane, filling in for Jimmy. He's on his way back from Australia. I'm here with Misha Paulin and Kurt Medsker. Another Joe Rogan clip went viral today. Joe Rogan says if you're clinging on to this left versus right, the culture war arguments, you are getting caught up in their game. Most people want the same thing. They want to be healthy, they want their family to be healthy and happy. They want to have a pursuit that they enjoy. They want to enjoy their community and their loved ones. Can you believe this MAGA comedian Joe Rosie?

[Kurt Metzger]

He's always on the wrong side of history.

[Chris Keane]

All right, that's the reality of the.

[Joe Rogan]

World we live in, folks. And if you're clinging on to this left versus right, these culture war, you are getting caught up in their bullshit game. Most people want the same thing. They want to be healthy, they want their family to be healthy and happy. They want to have a pursuit that they enjoy. They want to enjoy their community, enjoy their loved ones. That's what most people want. Most people want the same thing. Most of the shit that you're seeing is all been stirred up by foreign governments and, and special interest groups and a bunch of shit. And if you're online, they're spoon feeding it to you. If you're online and you're engaging on social media, they are shoving that down your throat, gaslighting every day, gaslighting you every day. And it's more and more obvious now than it's ever been before because people at least are aware of it. They know what's going on. But it is, it's shocking how much of it is going on. And it's allowing us to fight with each other while all this shit is going on behind the scenes.

[Chris Keane]

And it's amazing how mad people get at that perspective, that both sides of this oligarchy are screwing you and they've got Us explaining. That's why that makes like I have. I have a lot of woke friends. They get more mad at me for saying, you know, both these sides are screwing you than they do at the people that they really hate. The MAGA people.

[Kurt Metzger]

I'm impressed that you have woke friends that were. People had that still.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, it's la Kurt. That's what we have here.

[Kurt Metzger]

But I mean are they. Are they just a bunch of low level comics who want to get ahead suckers? Like, you know, woke's not really a thing.

[Chris Keane]

Well, it's just. It amazes me how mad people get when you say that. That. That is a totally rational thing because.

[Kurt Metzger]

They'Re sucking up to a different club.

[Chris Keane]

Apparently. The message there is that we should come together. It's a message of unity. It's a message that we all have the same problems and we're all fighting for the same.

[Kurt Metzger]

But I grift off division. So you see how you.

[Chris Keane]

Right. A lot of people do.

[Kurt Metzger]

7 I get 7k a tweet to pretend there's no genocide in Gaza. So I don't want to hear this shit from you or from Joe Rogan.

[Chris Keane]

Exactly. It's very easy to go viral and make money playing to one side of this ridiculous thing that goes on.

[Kurt Metzger]

You don't need your leftist purity spiral of not killing all the kids of Gaza. You're going into a spiral, a spiral of purity of not killing kids or trafficking kids and here never recover from that.

[Chris Keane]

And of course, when, when. So when this gets tweeted out, the responses are all people doing exactly what Rogan is saying in this clip, which is fighting with each other. And here we go. Yeah, but the definitions of healthy, happy and what worthy pursuits and endeavors in life are on the left versus right are very different. They're not different. That's something you've been programmed to think.

[Kurt Metzger]

Oh, I don't know who that is. Who's Zagor H.R.

[Chris Keane]

I don't know.

[Kurt Metzger]

It's probably not a real person. But the reason that meta thing we did earlier was bullshit. The study about how it's bad is we already know Obama deployed troops to goddamn all the social media when he did the Smith One Modernization Act.

[Chris Keane]

Right.

[Kurt Metzger]

So you have no idea on here and now. We've seen we did this with James Lee, this story. Some of these accounts are in like Kenya and Pakistan and shit. Yes, there's a bunch of groups that just make money off of division in other countries, but. So that could be something.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, but I talk to people who say stuff like this to me, they're.

[Kurt Metzger]

Like, no, because they're dumb. I mean they have this, they have.

[Chris Keane]

This us versus them mentality. Good guys versus bad guys. I'm right, you're wrong. It's. And they, they act like the other side, whether it's right or left, is not. They're like. They're not human. They don't, they don't have my values. They don't care about their family and their happ. They're sick.

[Kurt Metzger]

Name Name. So it's not.

[Chris Keane]

Well, no, it's just, you know, this is, this is a very popular attitude in this country, I think, of villainizing people who disagree with you. And I know I've talked about my own experience, but it does happen on the left and right. And, and it's just funny when you call it out. They just reinforce it by being in the comments saying this garbage. Here's another one. Joe is great, but this is an idealistic perspective. I always hear that word, idealistic. To think that we should all love each other and understand our common humanity.

[Kurt Metzger]

Do you think Espresso Lucid is a guy that's real? I don't.

[Chris Keane]

I have no idea. But this is a perspective I hear a lot. It's idealistic to think perspective on society and an understanding of history and human nature shows what he is saying is wrong. Well, are we ever going to evolve from our human history? Okay, let's say you're right and human history shows that that's wrong. Are we ever going to evolve or are we just going to keep doing this? Fighting and villainizing each other.

[Kurt Metzger]

It's not a real God. It's not. All these people that do this are not. They're either shills that get paid to do this or they're bots or they're in another country. The things that are inarguable, such as like the thing Joe said.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

This is like why we don't need a study of social media to see what's happening. Because they have people on purpose, like demons in the ether who are there to make sure you don't say the right thing or do the right thing and make sure you maintain the mental cages.

[Chris Keane]

Yes. And this, this I think gets people to think that Zionist is a Zionist.

[Kurt Metzger]

Zionist. I wish it was true. But the left's reaction to Charlie Kirk. So probably the last three people were some Israel bullshit because they are all over X pushing. I saw a furry kill Charlie Kirk. Not. I am not suspicious.

[Chris Keane]

Well, let's, let's read this here. The left's reaction To Charlie Kirk assassination says it all. There is a very high percentage of people on the left that have true hatred in their hearts for conservatives. It's mainstream. Yes, that's true. There's also conservatives that have hatred for people on the left. But this is the whole point of what Rogan is saying is that that is insane.

[Kurt Metzger]

I wouldn't argue with Hasbara. I wouldn't bother arguing with a Hasbara. Fake point from a guy who's clear. As soon as you hear them saying that shit about the left's reaction to Charlie Kirk, any imbecile that's still saying that more than likely is in the 7K post club or they are an active agent in some way.

[Chris Keane]

I hear what you're saying, but that attitude does exist. I come across people all the time.

[Kurt Metzger]

Because they're really shit falling for it.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, you're right. They were gleeful about Charlie Kirk getting killed. So many comics I've seen get on stage and make jokes about that.

[Kurt Metzger]

But at this point, you don't hear it. At this point. It's a weird thing because now that in all likelihood, obviously Israel did it, who else would have done it? Now that it's that you don't hear the lefties bringing it up, they're just kind of marveling at that Trump might have blown a guy, you know.

[Chris Keane]

Well, yeah, now we're on to the next thing for sure. Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

So this is old shit. And. And it's. Israel needs to keep it going forever. The left versus right. That's why Ben Shapiro pushes it. That's why these people do it.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah. It's not just Israel. It's our. Well, it's our government too. It's the. The people in power. It's the oligarchy. Here we have this guy. Oh, OG Florida man. Kurt. Now that's a real guy. OG Florida man. We do not. We do not want the same thing. Joe. Joe is. We do not want the same thing. Joe is still in his FU money bubble. So you make sure. So wanting people to treat each other as human beings with common humanity, that. That's. You only think that if you're in an FU money bubble. What does that. Does that have to do with me?

[Kurt Metzger]

I don't know. That's how you get killed. Is saying you should stop fighting about bullshit is how you get.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, exactly.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah. He's actually risking his life.

[Chris Keane]

Like Patrice. Didn't Patrice used to have a joke? Yes, yes. Like Malcolm X and all those.

[Kurt Metzger]

Jesus. And all of. As soon as you. As soon as you're not doing what the power structure wants, which is to be in your dumb identity group, which means you people that don't aren't even a fully formed person. Usually. You grow out of it, hopefully. Yeah, you know, but. But there's always a new generation of suckers. So that's why I don't believe OG Florida Man's real. Because I don't think a OG would be that much of a.

[Chris Keane]

Well, right.

[Kurt Metzger]

Don't believe it right now, Kurt.

[Chris Keane]

We have OG Misha Pollan that has something to tell us. Yes. Everybody, hold, hold, stop the bus. We. We have. We have more in common than what divides us. And that is their biggest fear. That we finally come together.

[Kurt Metzger]

We all want Israel to be okay.

[Chris Keane]

That is correct. All right, well, come together, folks. Talk to people you disagree with. Remember, they're human beings just like you. Joe Rogan is spot on here. And these insane people that want us to keep fighting each other are just doing. They're tools of the oligarchy that they're doing.

[Kurt Metzger]

Like anybody. All you got to do is stop when your party gives you nothing. Except you should be afraid of the. Whatever.

[Chris Keane]

Yes.

[Kurt Metzger]

You know that they're your enemy. Yeah, your enemy. It's not a matter of if you're loyal to maga. You've already been abandoned, asshole, so drop that shit. But like I said, I don't believe none of these tweets are real people.

[Chris Keane]

Well, I'll introduce you to my friends, Kurt, you can have it out with them.

[Kurt Metzger]

I don't want to meet any of them. They're probably low level comedians beneath you. Is that right?

[Chris Keane]

Well, we got Thanksgiving tomorrow. That's a great time to talk to your relatives. I won't.

[Kurt Metzger]

I'm sure they're fine.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, talk to your friends and family tomorrow on Thanksgiving. You know, even if you disagree, you're all people who want the same things. Welcome back to the Jimmy Dore show, everyone. I'm your guest host, Chris Keane, filling in for Jimmy. He's on his way back from Australia right now. I'm here with Misha Paulin, who looks very skinny today. Have you been losing weight, Misha?

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah, I think so. Guys, cotton, please. The cotton.

[Chris Keane]

And I'm here with Kurt Metzger, the hilarious Kurt Metzger.

[Kurt Metzger]

Pluckman Techfeld, the well known drone manufacturer.

[Chris Keane]

He has a curly mullet. I don't know what's going on here. It's fun. I like it. All right, guys. Tucker Carlson is calling out the Republican Party. Look at this. Tucker Carlson puts Republican Party on blast. I hate Them too much, he says.

[Jimmy Dore]

And on the Republican Party, which is.

[Chris Keane]

Almost to the point where it's just useless and I'm gonna have to oppose it because I.

[Jimmy Dore]

They're just. I hate them too much, but because they're such betrayers. But anyway, they're in the Republican party. It's like.

[Chris Keane]

You a socialist? Are you from Mandani?

[Jimmy Dore]

No, not really a socialist.

[Kurt Metzger]

Just.

[Jimmy Dore]

I don't want any more dollar stores. I don't want high density housing in my neighborhood. I don't want any more fucking strip.

[Chris Keane]

Malls that nobody goes to.

[Jimmy Dore]

No more karate studios and vape shops. Like, how about.

[Chris Keane]

No. Ooh, socialists. You don't believe in the free market.

[Jimmy Dore]

Because you bribed a county commissioner to build more garbage. You don't even live here in a normal society. We'd, like, burn your strip mall down. So you can't do that here. You can't turn my women into prostitutes. Sorry, Only fans. And you can't destroy.

[Chris Keane]

Let's leave the only fans girls alone. All right, let's take it a little too far there.

[Jimmy Dore]

First of all, that I live in. No.

[Chris Keane]

How about no?

[Jimmy Dore]

That's not crazy, is it?

[Chris Keane]

No, it's not. I mean, no.

[Jimmy Dore]

And you can't take all my tax.

[Chris Keane]

Dollars and then stop.

[Jimmy Dore]

Refuse to do anything about child molestation. Like, the whole reason we. You exist, county commissioners, is to protect my daughters from getting molested. But you won't because, like, why.

[Chris Keane]

Now he's getting all this flak for this. This is what happens when you. When you. If you're a Republican or a Democrat and you stray from the herd. You always get all this flak. You always get from who? Who's giving him flack all over Twitter and everything?

[Kurt Metzger]

Oh, is it the 7k tweet club? That don't mean shit. He'll be back at TP USA again because they can't. They have no TPS USA without him to go speak there. It's just rich people throwing an event like any other goddamn thing. And who do they have now without Charlie Kirk? They have him. So. So the flack is nonsense on Twitter. It's all that, you know.

[Chris Keane]

Well, I mean, he's feuding with, like, Ben Shapiro and there's this fracture in the Republican Party or whatever.

[Kurt Metzger]

Who cares about the Republican Party? Honest to God. Like, you really got to be a rich person. Be like, what about the future of the party?

[Chris Keane]

Well, that's why. Yeah, that. Well, that's why I kind of. That's why I kind of like what Tucker is saying here. Because he's thinking about the well being of the country.

[Kurt Metzger]

Over target dest party. I hope the party, the party should be destroyed by now. They shouldn't even.

[Chris Keane]

It's funny that you question it and then they go, oh, what do you like, Mom? Donnie? You know, you're just trying to question. But they do this on both, on both sides. If you stray from the herd, they do this. They're all, what do you like? What are you one of these people? And it's, and it's funny because the same things are driving all of us, which is the, our economic concerns and things like that. That, that's why people vote for Mom Donnie. That's why people vote for Trump.

[Kurt Metzger]

I think that's why they go on only fans.

[Chris Keane]

That's exactly, that's exactly it. Um, all right. Tucker Carlson unloaded on the Republican Party on a recent podcast, claiming the GOP had lost the Trump movement's original America first message. The latest sign of the conservative commentators distance from the rest of the right amid backlash to his recent interview with Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes.

[Kurt Metzger]

The Gaza Holocaust.

[Chris Keane]

On the Republican Party, which is almost to the point where it's just useless and I'm going to have to oppose it because I hate them too much because they're such betrayers, Carlson told podcaster Sean Ryan in a Monday episode where he ranted about how the party had ceased solving quality of life issues. There you go. They're corrupt, Carlson continued of the GOP donor and political class. They don't care that much or enough or at all about you and they have an obligation to. So that's the debate underway. In the interview, Carlson revisited the recent controversy over his Fuentes interview and claimed the white nationalist was mostly making an economic argument to his followers, not an identity one, comparing the commentator to Zoron, the Democratic socialist who recently won the New York City mayoral race by focusing on affordability issues. Now, I agree with this and what I mean by that is the same anger that makes people support Zoron or listen to Nick Fuentes. It's the same thing. It's these economic concerns that people have had it with and they're sick of the unit party that we vote for every four years doing nothing. That's the actual message, Fuentes message, says Carlson. I'm not an expert on Fuentes, okay, I enter, I interviewed him, but from what I could tell, he is angry because he feels that the conservative establishment, Ben Shapiro, all the way up to some idiot Republican senator, all of them are telling the same lie. And that Lie, I think, is that they give a crap about the American people. That's the lie.

[Kurt Metzger]

You see? Look, anybody that's as hot like Tucker has connections, and he knows he's the guy that. Where I got that great gossip that. From K Street. That judge is straight. I love. That's my favorite thing I've ever heard. So. So when you're. And I know you know people, and I know people that are in media or they work in D.C. and like, honestly, at this point, are these people leaders or they're just managers? Because that's what Fuentes is. He's a manager. He. He openly said that Israel didn't kill Charlie Kirk right away, signaling where he's at. Well, this dude Tucker, I like what he says, and I like him. Yeah, but I'm just. We're past. Oh, I. You know what? I think these parties may not even be worth it. Well, you're not way past that already. Shouldn't he be telling us more, like, you know, more secrets than this?

[Chris Keane]

I see where you say, well, I liked what you said. I think you said it on the last show, Kurt, where you're saying, the. The actors are getting uglier and the politicians are getting hotter.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah. What is happening?

[Chris Keane]

That's very funny and true. Like, yeah, they're performers. They really are. But, you know, and this is why people are angry. This is why we're sending $174 billion to Ukraine. We've spent all that money on Ukraine. We can't even help our own people. A guy. We don't have any SNAP benefits, but we have 174 for Ukraine.

[Kurt Metzger]

We've sent way more than that to Ukraine. I'm sure. I'm sure that number is suddenly lower than it was the last time I checked it.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, I'm sure we have. US has given at least 21 billion in military aid to Israel since the war in Gaza began. Since October 7th, 21 billion. Here we have. Since 1946, we've given Israel $300 billion. We've given all these countries 150 billion for Egypt, 150 billion for Afghanistan. This is why people are angry, because we have all this money for all these other countries, and we don't have anything for ourselves. This is.

[Kurt Metzger]

Right. Well, CFR is saying this. That's interesting, because we already did a story before, if you remember about. It's about 3 trillion, if you really count it. And so that's interesting that it's. Oh, there's just about 300 billion.

[Chris Keane]

Right.

[Kurt Metzger]

Well, we. We think all that FTX money went Ukraine, Israel probably. Right. I wouldn't think. Yeah. What do you think those pumping dumps Malay did on his own people? We think that money went well. We have went to Israel.

[Chris Keane]

Well, we're spending these hundreds of billions of dollars on this stuff. And like I said in the previous story, we've got 35 million people living in poverty. We got half a million homeless, over half a million homeless people, 27 million people without health insurance.

[Kurt Metzger]

This is why stop being fat.

[Chris Keane]

Right. You should cut. Cut it out. Cut that crap out.

[Kurt Metzger]

Stop being fat. That's your fault.

[Chris Keane]

And you know, we've got a trillion dollar military budget, yet somehow a guy in New York can't get a sandwich on his SNAP benefits.

[Kurt Metzger]

Well, we have to defeat the world, as you know. Yeah, Bono. Bono said it. You already hear what Bono said.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

The world ever had New Atlantis.

[Chris Keane]

Well, this is. This is why people are angry. This is why people listen to Nick Fuentes. This is why people vote for Donald Trump. It's why people vote for Zoran Mamdani. It's why people have had it with the establishment on both sides. This is why.

[Kurt Metzger]

And that's why they will continue to be disappointed by the new false idols they've made for themselves.

[Chris Keane]

That is true.

[Kurt Metzger]

And until you understand that, you're not going to vote your way out. It's going to go on and on like this circle here.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, it's a big club and you, ain't it? And that keeps proving itself true over and over again. Bono is in the news, folks. Bono. This old clip of Bono went viral. Rogan tweeted it out. All right. Bono says America is the best idea the world ever came up with. But Donald Trump is potentially the worst idea that ever happened to America. I could think of maybe a couple other, I don't know, slavery.

[Kurt Metzger]

Is this a song that's going to be forcibly put on my iPhone?

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, yeah. Coming soon to an iPhone near you. And here we have Bono.

[Bono]

America is like the best idea the world ever came up with. But Donald Trump is potentially the worst idea.

[Chris Keane]

Why is he out of breath? Have you noticed, you know, something that.

[Bono]

Ever happened to America? Potentially.

[Kurt Metzger]

Potentially.

[Bono]

Because of what we're saying. Because America's not just a country. Ireland's nice country, Great Britain's great country, all the rest of it. It's not an idea. America is an idea. And that idea is bound up in justice and equality for all. Equality and justice for all. You know, Right.

[Chris Keane]

We've always had justice and equality for all. Until Trump, it was just perfect. Until Trump.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yes. And unless you're from.

[Bono]

You know, I think of Emma Lazarus, those lines give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. This is America. I mean, this is not from Donald Trump's playbook. And look, I have spent 20 years, nearly 20 years now fiercely bipartisan, and I'm gonna stay that way.

[Chris Keane]

Good for you, buddy.

[Bono]

And I have enormous respect for.

[Chris Keane]

Enormous respect.

[Bono]

The party of Abraham Lincoln. Some of the greatest workers in the one campaign come from conservative tradition. Republicans that are very close friends of mine.

[Kurt Metzger]

Where are you from?

[Chris Keane]

He's a Republican. Very close friends of his. Let's see. Bono's very close friends.

[Kurt Metzger]

Here he is back.

[Chris Keane]

This is an old clip, Kurt, but it just went viral again. Here's some of Bono's close friends, folks. It's George W. Bush. We all know what a decent guy he is. Here's a tweet from Jimmy Dore, friend of the show. Jimmy Dore lied country. Lied country into illegal invasion of Iraq, killed a million people. Ordered global torture program. These are Bono's good Republican friends here.

[Kurt Metzger]

He's a likable guy. Potentially. Potentially.

[Chris Keane]

Oh, potentially. Sorry, I apologize, Kurt. So, yeah, we take pictures on the hillside here with war criminals, but Donald Trump is the worst thing to ever happen. Did Donald Trump kill a million people? I don't.

[Kurt Metzger]

Don't put words in Bono's mouth. Let him put his songs in your phone.

[Chris Keane]

Yeah, like, you know, I say things like this and people call me like a MAGA Trump supporter. I'm not. I never voted for trumpisha.

[Kurt Metzger]

Tell me if she said that.

[Chris Keane]

So war criminals good, Donald Trump bad. That's what we were saying.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah, well, I mean, we all know how neocon shit works, right?

[Chris Keane]

Yes. And that's not to say Donald Trump is much better than these people. I don't know if he's killed a million people yet.

[Kurt Metzger]

I would think the worst idea was that whole mind control program that we know that they did and do continually.

[Chris Keane]

That might be a bit worse. That might be a bit worse. And then we also have this guy here, this lovely man. Obama's covert drone war. 10 times more strikes than Bush. So no matter who you vote for, you get John McCain as Jimmy Dorsey.

[Kurt Metzger]

See how excited I am right now about Obama?

[Chris Keane]

We see that.

[Kurt Metzger]

Ten times more war.

[Chris Keane]

God. This is what the future is going to be? Just some guy with an AI headset on while we're bombing the Middle East? That's the future. I.

[Kurt Metzger]

Sorry, both of you. I had to wear these glasses to make you not fat. I had to enhance reality.

[Chris Keane]

All right, guys. Obama embraced the U.S. drone program, overseeing more strikes in his first year than Bush carried out during his entire presidency. And I have friends who think Obama's a decent guy. A total of 563 strikes, largely by drones, targeted Pakistan, Somalia and yemen during Obama's two terms, compared to 57 strikes under Bush. Nice. Now, here's some of the great ideas that America has, has had over the years, guys. We have greatest income inequality, highest poverty rate, greatest number of children in poverty, worst child well being, lowest social mobility, highest healthcare costs. I'm not gonna read this whole list, but I think some of these might be worse than Donald Trump. I don't know. I. This is what we're dealing with.

[Kurt Metzger]

Those aren't really ideas, though. No, Donald Trump's more of an idea.

[Chris Keane]

Okay. All right. Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

Bono just says nonsense. I. Do you think he's all there? I mean, he looks like a hollow. He might as well be an iPhone that you load with apps, you know, I'm saying that as a tech guy, as a, as you know.

[Chris Keane]

Well, this makes me sad. I. I love, I love you too. I loved you. The first two decades of that band, they were great. That was before they put the music on the phones, but I've had enough.

[Kurt Metzger]

Of them for quite some time.

[Chris Keane]

Well, I just don't understand. I don't have any hate for Bono or you too. I love their music. I just don't understand. Takes like this, that Trump is this unique evil, that America was this amazing decent place before Donald Trump. I just. That's the Trump derangement syndrome stuff to me.

[Kurt Metzger]

I mean, he's a mind controlled WF whore. So what do you mean he's going to say what he's going to say?

[Chris Keane]

It seems that way, but I have plenty of friends, friends that, that feel that way. And I talked to aspire to be like him.

[Kurt Metzger]

That's why they aspire to those heights.

[Chris Keane]

I think we all know to the West Misha has something they won't have. Me. I. I wish Donald Trump had the power that Bono thinks he has.

[Kurt Metzger]

You know that. But we all learned that the president ain't in charge like that, didn't we?

[Chris Keane]

Right? All right. And here we have. No one ever asks why people vote for Donald Trump. We have 35 million people living in poverty that didn't start with Donald Trump. As you see, this is from decades. It's always been millions and millions of people living in poverty in this country.

[Kurt Metzger]

Is that why Chris, they're not ready for a black woman.

[Chris Keane]

Then we got the homeless people. Over half a million homeless people. This didn't start with Donald Trump. This has been this way. Through Obama, through Biden. This isn't made by Donald Trump. Trump. Here's. So here's an article from cnn. Bono, Trump, potentially the worst idea that ever happened to America. America is like the best idea the world ever came up with. But Trump is potentially the worst idea that ever happened to America. He could destroy it, says Bono. America is.

[Kurt Metzger]

You're not from here, asshole. Okay? What the. What are you talking about?

[Chris Keane]

Right?

[Kurt Metzger]

Go to your country, talk that shit.

[Chris Keane]

America's not just a country. America's not the world's idea.

[Kurt Metzger]

It's a. A select group of very British occultists idea.

[Chris Keane]

First of all, Kurt's riled up, man. That wig is getting to you.

[Kurt Metzger]

I know. I just. I went. I was in Turkey recently. I got something.

[Chris Keane]

Oh, nice. All right. America is not just a country. America is an idea bound up in justice and equality for all. I think he, you know, like his good friend George W. Bush thinks justice and equality for all. You know, he showed that in. In New Orleans real well. I. I think he's hijacked the party, and I think he's trying to hijack the idea of America, and I think it's bigger than all of us. This is really dangerous. George W. Bush wasn't really dangerous. Your best friend there on the hillside, he likes him.

[Kurt Metzger]

George W. Bush signed off. So back when they were doing abstinence only training, if you remember that, that W initiative. Bono always talk highly of W because of his African give him condoms initiative for that, you know, the HIV virus that.

[Chris Keane]

Oh, right, right.

[Kurt Metzger]

We probably made. But he. Bush, he said always. To Bush's credit, he immediately stopped that abstinence thing as soon as Bono said something to him so that I know he has affection for him, especially because of that. And like all neoliberals, they couldn't care less how many people are holocausted by this great world project.

[Chris Keane]

It is true. I hear a lot of people make excuses to keep voting for Democrats, for instance, or whoever they think the good guy is. Bono did validate the concerns of Trump supporters frustrated with the status quo of the two leading political parties. I would not diminish Trump supporters or underestimate their angst because I feel that, in a way, they have correctly assessed that the center parties haven't yet become clear. He said their angst is real and genuine.

[Kurt Metzger]

What does he mean, center? Like, what the fuck is he talking about?

[Chris Keane]

I don't know, maybe he just means the classic Democrat and Republican parties easy.

[Kurt Metzger]

Listening music, which is what he is at this point.

[Chris Keane]

I mean, if you understand the angst, then you should understand why people vote for this. And you shouldn't be posing on hillsides with war criminals.

[Kurt Metzger]

Why do I have phone aids from him to this day? Do I need a bone marrow transplant to get an ass out?

[Chris Keane]

People really hated the dropping of the album on the phone. Oh, that was a bad. You really hate it. I, I, Trump was the worst idea. That was the worst idea. Oh, that was worse.

[Kurt Metzger]

Thank you, Misha. I could think of a worse idea than Trump, sir.

[Chris Keane]

Exactly.

[Kurt Metzger]

How about I just look at my phone? There's just an album cover of a guy blown on another guy's belly. And it's you too, dad. Insult.

[Chris Keane]

I forgot that was the album cover. I should have had that here.

[Kurt Metzger]

Just put that right in there. Don't tell me.

[Chris Keane]

Well, that was, that was actually an image of Clinton and Trump. I don't know if you guys know that. All right.

[Kurt Metzger]

Thank you.

[Chris Keane]

All right. Well, yeah. Trump. Trump bad. War criminals good. That's what we've learned here.

[Jimmy Dore]

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[Kurt Metzger]

Freak out. Don't freak out.

[Chris Keane]

Don't freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be and I'll keep being me.

[Chris Keane]

Freak out.

[Kurt Metzger]

Don't freak out. Don't freak out.

[Chris Keane]

Don't freak out. Don't freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Do not freak out.

[Chris Keane]

I'm not kidding.

[Wei Jia Jiang]

Do not. Do not.

[Kurt Metzger]

I'm not.

[Chris Keane]

I'm not.

[Jimmy Dore]

I'm not.

[Chris Keane]

I'm not.

[Wei Jia Jiang]

I'm not.

[Chris Keane]

I'm not.

[Kurt Metzger]

Freak out.

[Chris Keane]

Don't freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Do not freak out. Freak out. Freak out. Freak out. Freak out.