Here's What EVERYONE Is Missing About Candace Owens Investigation!

Summary

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The Jimmy Dore Show

Episode: Here's What EVERYONE Is Missing About Candace Owens Investigation!
Date: January 7, 2026

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Overview

This fiery episode of The Jimmy Dore Show dives into two hot-button issues:

1. The coordinated attacks on Candace Owens and the public backlash against her style of "open source" investigation into the Charlie Kirk case.
2. The escalating push by powerful interests—particularly pro-Israel voices—for censorship and surveillance, with a focus on the First Amendment, government control over speech, and the use of AI in geopolitics.

Through energetic debate and comedic flair, Jimmy, Jesse on Fire, Max Blumenthal, and others break down media manipulation, explain the value of community-driven investigative work, and sound alarms about erosion of civil liberties.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Candace Owens Investigation – Why the Attacks?

Main Segment: 00:30–15:43

• "Astroturf" Attacks: Jimmy opens by calling out "controlled Astroturf paid-for attacks" on Candace Owens, arguing the Establishment doesn't want her following the investigative trail wherever it leads, possibly to places like Israel, the FBI, the military, or TPUSA.

  • "People don't want her following leads because it will lead somewhere that they don't want." — Jimmy Dore (00:30)

• Defending Candace Owens' Method:

  • Jesse on Fire passionately defends Candace's investigative style, emphasizing her role as a "magnetic center of an open source investigation," not a traditional journalist evaluating sources with absolute certainty:
    • "She puts clues on her show... it's your responsibility to chase down the ones that you do believe... We’re solving this together." — Jesse on Fire (01:18)
  • He warns against infighting among independent researchers, which serves only to undermine the investigation, echoing classic COINTELPRO tactics:
    • "The only way this falls apart is if people start fighting... That is exactly what's happening." — Jesse on Fire (02:33)

• Open Source, Crowd-Sourced Investigation Model:

  • Candace is assembling and platforming community leads, expecting public vetting. The volume of tips makes exhaustive individual vetting impossible; leads must be chased collectively.
  • "Candace is the lightning rod magnet of all of the community tips... She should be putting every credible tip that she gets on her platform, and then we go run them down." — Jesse on Fire (05:17)
  • Mistaken or debunked leads are not "gotchas"; they’re just another step in the process.

• Infighting Only Benefits the Enemy:

  • Both Jesse and Jimmy insist that fighting among investigators only helps the "actual enemies" who don't want the truth out.
    • "If we are fighting, that is the goal of the actual enemies of this entire thing. This is the most important thing I could possibly communicate to people." — Jesse on Fire (09:56)
    • "People are wanting to divide us because that's what the deep state wants. They want us fighting each other..." — Jimmy Dore (15:43)

• Notable Quotes:

  • "Candace is a dragon... If you come at Candace aggressive, she is going to fight you. That is what she's going to do." — Jesse on Fire (10:04)
  • "The way to do it is to discredit Candace Owens. So then we go, oh, it's all crazy... That's not how an investigation works." — Jimmy Dore (15:43)

• Actionable Takeaway: Anyone can follow whichever lead fascinates them:

  • If you think a witness is credible, "go chase down their alibi."
  • If not, "move on to something else."
  • Pressure targets (like TPUSA) for concrete evidence or alibis, but don't expect one person to verify every claim themselves.

2. The War on Free Speech & The First Amendment

Main Segment: 18:18–28:02

• Israeli Billionaire Shlomo Kramer on CNBC:

  • Kramer calls the First Amendment a "nuisance" and advocates for government verification and ranking of social media users, suggesting restrictions on anonymous posting and increased state surveillance.
    • "It's time to limit the First Amendment in order to protect it and quickly before it's too late." — Shlomo Kramer (19:20)
    • "We need to control the platforms... to stack rank the authenticity of every person that expresses themselves online." — Shlomo Kramer (20:05)
    • "Take control over what they are saying based on that ranking." — Shlomo Kramer (20:40)

• Jimmy's Reaction:

  • Jimmy is incensed both by Kramer's comments ("another Mossad operation") and the total acquiescence of the CNBC hosts:
    • "They don't go, whoa, I'm in the news business in America... That's why it's first, because it's the most important freedom of speech, but they don't go whoa. They go oh yeah." — Jimmy Dore (21:38)
  • He connects the dots from Kramer's statements to broader pro-Israel efforts to undermine free speech in the US and other Western nations ("That's why they did the false flag in Australia... to censor people saying negative things about Zionism and Israel.").

• China as a Model — Global Censorship Push:

  • Kramer claims China's single "narrative" puts the US at a disadvantage, while Jimmy lampoons the argument that, in order to "compete with China," the US should become more like it:
    • "So, in order to fight back against China, we have to have one narrative also—meaning we have to censor everybody and have the government control our social media and speech." — Jimmy Dore (27:12)
    • "So because the First Amendment, we have to get rid of it to save it. We have to burn down that village so we could save that village." — Jimmy Dore (28:04)

• Broader Patterns:

  • Jimmy connects these attempts at censorship to Donald Trump's policies, including federal control over AI and surveillance databases (Palantir), aligning both legacy political parties with a pro-surveillance, pro-Israel agenda.

• Notable Quotes:

  • "Zionism is your enemy. Zionism is the enemy of the world... the enemy of freedom of speech, the enemy of freedom and truth." — Jimmy Dore (35:40)
  • "The single greatest threat to freedom of speech in the United States at this point in time is Israel and its supporters here in the United States." — paraphrased from Mersheimer (28:55)

3. US Legal Overreach, Venezuela, and International Law

Main Segment: 36:17–53:46

• Indictment of Venezuelan President Maduro:

  • Max Blumenthal and a legal analyst tear apart the DOJ's legal basis for charging Maduro with drug trafficking and narco-terrorism.
  • The indictment is called "a pile of politicized slop... a 25-page rant" (Max Blumenthal, 39:21), more about creating a narrative than presenting a criminal case.
  • "It doesn't matter if you say he stole an election—he was in control of the institutions. He was the head of state. There was nobody else. So you cannot... prosecute heads of state in US national courts." — Max Blumenthal (45:21)

• Key Revelations:

  • Much of the evidence relies on "the chicken," a former Venezuelan intelligence chief said to be compromised by the CIA and desperate for a plea bargain.
  • The supposed "Cartel of the Suns" attributed by the Trump DOJ to Maduro actually originated as a CIA creation in the 1980s.

• Political Motive for the Indictment:

  • The case is designed not for actual legal weight, but as a legal spectacle to justify US intervention, intimidation, or even assassination attempts under the "Donroe doctrine."

• US Court System as a Political Tool:

  • The Southern District of New York is painted as a venue for show trials against leaders the US wants to topple.
  • Discovery could backfire if defense forces testimony about CIA involvement in drug trafficking.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jesse on Fire on Candace's method:
  “She gets every tip on Earth and she vets them, and if she can verify enough about a tip or about a person or whatever, then she puts it on her show.” (04:56)
• On censorship and free speech:
  “He just said everybody needs to be verified by the government to be able to post on social media and then we control what they're saying by their ranking. It's a social credit score.” — Jimmy Dore (20:47)
• On the media's complicity:
  “They know where their bread is buttered and how to stay safe.” — Jimmy Dore on CNBC’s lack of pushback (22:58)
• On America vs. China’s narrative control:
  “We have to burn down that village so we could save that village.” — Jimmy Dore (28:04)
• On legal spectacle over substance:
  “They've constructed a narrative against Maduro in the place of a concrete legal case because they need this trial and the spectacle surrounding it.” — Max Blumenthal (39:21)
• On internal division as a tactic:
  “They want us to fight over each other and stop doing the investigation.” — Jimmy Dore (15:43)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Topic/Quote | |---|---| | 00:30 | Jimmy launches into the manufactured attacks on Candace Owens | | 01:18–06:06 | Jesse on Fire’s full defense of Candace’s investigative approach | | 09:56 | “If we are fighting, that is the goal of the actual enemies...” | | 10:04 | “Candace is a dragon...” (Jesse on Fire's characterization) | | 15:43 | Jimmy Dore sums up the “divide and rule” objective of attacks on Candace | | 18:18 | Shift: Jimmy introduces Shlomo Kramer’s CNBC interview | | 19:20 | Kramer: “It’s time to limit the First Amendment in order to protect it” | | 20:05 | Kramer: Government ranking and verification for social media | | 28:04 | “We have to burn down that village so we could save that village.” (Jimmy) | | 36:17 | Legal analyst and Max Blumenthal on Maduro indictment | | 39:21 | Max: “It’s a pile of politicized slop... a 25-page rant” | | 45:21 | Max: “You cannot... prosecute heads of state in US national courts” | | 53:46 | End of Maduro segment; Cuomo comedy segment begins |

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Tone and Style

• Outraged, sardonic, and direct: Jimmy and his guests speak with urgency, employing sarcasm and biting humor, punctuated with blunt accusations about mainstream media, the deep state, and the pro-Israel lobby.
• Conversational and rapid-fire, with comedic riffs (especially in call-in segments) and a relentless focus on exposing hypocrisy and manipulation.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• The key takeaway: The attacks on Candace Owens are organized to distract and divide those investigating the Charlie Kirk case; Owens’ open-source, community-driven model is necessary and should not be derailed by nitpicking or infighting.
• Broader context: Censorship efforts—driven by powerful surveillance and pro-Israel actors—are moving into overdrive, threatening the First Amendment, under the false pretense of protecting democracy and fighting “polarization.”
• The legal-challenge segment exemplifies how the US uses its justice system for political ends, particularly against foreign leaders it wishes to undermine, raising deep questions about sovereignty, evidence, and human rights.

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Final Thoughts

Jimmy Dore’s show remains a forum for fierce criticism of Establishment media, government overreach, and groupthink. This episode is a vivid snapshot of how dissent, free inquiry, and the right to speak are being undermined by both public and private power—whether in the Candace Owens investigation or in debates around international law and censorship.

“Everyone is on the same team. Fighting is not allowed, dude.” — Jesse on Fire (07:32)

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Transcript

[Jimmy Dore]

Come see me on tour in Waikiki, Hawaii and the Comedy Store in Los Angeles. Go to jimmy dore.com for a link for tickets.

[Jesse on Fire]

Establishment media sucks all gas lighting so good luck bullshit we can't afford why he's fomenting this watch and see as his jack off the medium.

[Max Blumenthal]

Speeds and jumps the medium and hit some head on. It's the chimmy door show.

[Jimmy Dore]

So we've heard it. We've seen the controlled Astroturf paid for attacks on Candace Owens and they make no sense because what she's doing is what you're supposed to do. Follow leads wherever they go. And if they go to a dead end, then it's a dead end. But people don't want her following leads because it will lead somewhere that they don't want. Possibly Israel, possibly the FBI, possibly the military, possibly the people at TP usa, possibly the head of his own security, Brian Harle. It, we don't know where it's going to lead but it's it that's what they're afraid of us finding out. And here's the best defense. I I so this guy, he does a great job here. This is Jesse on fire. Let's listen to how he defends Candace Owens and I think he makes a lot of sense here.

[Jesse on Fire]

The people who are attacking Candace fundamentally do not understand what her role in this entire thing is. She is the magnetic center of, of an open source investigation. She is not supposed to only put pure factual information on her show. She puts clues on her show. She has a tip line getting thousands of tips every single day. She does her best to vet the ones that come in and then she puts those on her show and then the community chases them down. It doesn't matter if you don't believe this one or you do believe this one. It's your responsibility to chase down the ones that you do believe and you look into them and then you share them with other people and then they share them with Candace and, and then we develop the case that way. We're solving this together. Stop attacking her. The only way that we allow this whole thing to fall apart is if people start fighting with each other over.

[Jimmy Dore]

Individual clues, which is exactly what's happening. So there's the Mockingbird 2.0 media that are just controlled to go after her. Some of them are being paid, some of them are being threatened, whatever. Then you have the people who are in good faith who thinking oh, what she said there doesn't make sense. Yeah, well so what you don't fight each other over it. That's what they want us to do.

[Jesse on Fire]

We are an open source detective agency. We've never had the opportunity to do this before. Okay? From this point forward, if people are attacking Candace because she put something on her channel, they are blowing it. And people who are on Candace side and you're attacking people who did an investigation into a clue that she put on the platform, you're also blowing it. That is not what this is supposed to be. She's doing exactly what she's supposed to do. Okay? If you took money to attack Candace, I guess that is. There's. That ship is sailed attacker all you want. You know, don't expect people to put a lot of faith in the credibility of things that you say going forward. Okay? Here, let me start by saying this. Alex Jones is going full throttle on Candace right now. He's like, he's. He's going hard in the pain he started off, you know, like, he's like, candace is my friend. I wanted to, like, reach out to her because she's going crazy. She's doing whatever. And bottom line is, even with that, he doesn't understand what Candace's show is and what it's not. Okay? Like I said, I said yesterday in my, in my video that I did about the TPUSA financials that Wolves and Finance did, I called this the first ever open source investigation, okay? And I meant exactly that. Okay? What this is, we never have had the opportunity to get the, in the collective Internet, all of the, all of the mommy sleuths, all of the, you know, all the men who are interested in the gun stuff, interested in the 3006 stuff, interested in the lies that, that this person told. This person told people looking into this string, they pull on this string, they pull on this thing, they pull on this string, they pull on this string, okay? And all of us collectively, we figure out what's real and what's not, okay? So when Candace says something on her show or put someone on her show and then that tip ends up not being accurate, that doesn't mean anything negative about Candace because that's not her job, okay? Her job. Candace is the lightning rod magnet of all of the community tips, okay? Like everyone wants to give her their information and ultimately what she is do. I don't even know if this is how she looks at her. Her show, but I know that's how everybody should be looking at it. And it's how I look at it, which is why I couldn't undo, understand why anyone saw what I was, what myself Or Nate was doing as attacking Candace. I didn't understand. I'm like, what? Because the way I see her show is Candace will.

[Shlomo Kramer]

Will.

[Jesse on Fire]

She gets every tip on Earth and she vets them, and if she can verify enough about a tip or about a person or whatever, then she puts it on her show. And she says, this guy says that he saw this, and he saw. Saw this. I verified he's at Fort Watch.

[Jimmy Dore]

Who.

[Jesse on Fire]

Guy verified that he was a Green Beret. Here's his story and the reason he's on there. Like, what? No one knows what that would mean.

[Jimmy Dore]

What?

[Jesse on Fire]

She's. She puts him up, and then we go investigate him. That's the whole point. That's the whole entire point. Okay? She said that 50 times. She's like, I'm not saying that he saw Erica or he saw Brian Harpool. I'm saying he saw that he did. And I verified that he was actually at Fort Huachuca. And I verified that he really was a Green Beret. So, like, here it is. And everybody's like, well, so what does it even mean? Like, last night, you know, everybody's like, so what does it even mean if he's at Fort Watch? It doesn't matter. That's the whole point. That's for all of us to figure out if it matters. Like this. That's what this entire thing is. We're. We're investigating this together. All of us, every single person that's interested in this case. This is not about fighting with each other about who's right and who's wrong, okay? If. If a string gets, you know, put on her platform, and it's like, I heard that this, this, and this. I heard that there are Egyptian planes that are following. I heard that there are this.

[Jimmy Dore]

That are falling.

[Jesse on Fire]

I heard this. Then everybody goes and investigates it. If you find out that the Egyptian planes were not following Erica Kirk, that doesn't mean it. That's not like. That's not a gotcha on Candace. That's not her job. How many people does Candace have working for? You have any idea how much stuff we've learned about the Charlie Kirk case since this happened? The number of people who are pulling on strings and chasing down leads and looking at this stuff, she should be putting every credible tip that she gets on her platform. And then we go run them down. Okay? Then we go run them down. Okay? Now I understand why she's defending herself. Because. Because, like, they were like. And there's, like, people who are like, listen, this guy's not real. And they Use it to attack her with. Okay, but the point that I'm making is that's not an attack. It doesn't matter. If you figure out that he's not real, then you just put it out and you're like, hey, man, we looked into this guy. He's not real. And then that's the end. Okay, What Candace said, like, if you go and look at what she said online, she said, this is turned into this huge thing. I think it. It would be best if Erica and Brian Harpole just provide alibis so we can all move on. The only thing that matters about this case right here is whether or not Erica and Brian Harpo were actually at Fort Huachuca. And if they weren't, we're done with it. That's it. Okay? This is not some. Like. Like, there's. There's no. There's no war here. There's no conflict here. If everybody is. Understands what Candace's show actually is. You think Candace is going to solve this by herself? She can't. No one can, dude. No one can. Okay? Tomorrow, me and Heavy Duty country are going to take frag. You know, frag rounds. Frag. 30 out, six frag rounds. We're going to go out to his ranch, and we're going to shoot them into meat with bone and. And other stuff to see if that theory holds. Holds water. How do we know that the story is that they were frag rounds? Because Candace told us, dude. Okay? Do you guys get it? This is how this works. We're all on the same team. Everyone is on the same team. Fighting is not allowed, dude. Okay? Anyone who is. Anyone who's, like, going to other people's social media and they're lighting them up, okay? You, like, this is. This is not a good use of your time. You're not helping anything, okay? This is not a war between people. There's certainly no world where I'm at. I have no conflict with anyone. Zero. I love Nate. I love Candace. Okay? I love Alex Jones. I love all these people. I want for all of us to be collectively moving in the right direction so we can solve this thing. Because clearly the FBI cannot be relied on to do that, okay? If they can't, like, there's. We've never had an opportunity like this ever. Never in history has there been an opportunity for a murder like this. A case this public, okay? With the Internet, we all have access to all of the evidence, and collectively, we can chase down every single lead. Okay? Now, you guys know I don't think that Mitch is real. I think that he's lying. I think he's lying about what he saw. Who cares? That doesn't mean. That doesn't mean he's lying. Maybe he's telling the truth. It's irrelevant, okay? It doesn't matter. I'm one person. Okay? So if I think he's lying, then I'm going to do what. I'm gonna go focus on the 30 out six rounds, and I'll chase that down. There's a million of us, dude. There's a million of us. We don't all need to like. It's like whether he was there, not there, whether he saw what he saw, any of those things, none of it matters. As long as someone who is doing the right thing is looking into it. As long as someone's looking into it, go and go chase down their alibis, right? Like, if you. If you believe that he was really. Then you guys take it on. Do your part and go chase down his alibi. Chase down, you know, Brian Harpole and Erica's alibis. That's your job then. Okay? We have decided we don't think he's that credible. So we're going to go work on the 36, you know, the frag rounds that Candace told us about. And. Which is. Which is why we know we need to go test them. Why is everyone fighting? Here's the other thing, okay? If we are fighting, that is the goal of the actual enemies of this entire thing. This is the most important thing that I could possibly communicate to people, okay?

[Jimmy Dore]

Y.

[Jesse on Fire]

So when Alex Jones says what? He says him. And like, look, dude, this is a very simple equation. Candace is a dragon. Candace never going to take a backward step. Never, never. Okay? If you come at Candace aggressive, she is going to fight you. That is what she's going to do. There is no question about this. It does not matter. It makes no difference. You could. She literally. She could put on a red hat and go, this. This hat's blue. And if someone's like, that hat's not blue, and they're disrespectful, she's gonna fight them to the death that the hat's blue, right? They're gonna be like that. It's red. What is wrong with you? It's red. And she will literally fight them to the death. She'll slit their throat over them saying that. It's a. You know, saying it's a red hat. Even if it's red. She's a killing machine. She's a dragon. This is what she does, okay, Alex Jones, okay? He's a steamroller dude. So what happens when a steamroller hits a dragon? If they go at each other aggressive, it only escalates. And the two sides are gonna fight. Like, there's no upside in the two of them fighting at all. Everyone wants the same thing, and I'm going to prove it to you right now as we look at what Alex Jones is saying about the candidacy. I'm going to show you a few minutes of. Of, you know, what Alex is saying, because I will prove the point. His intro verifies, all of us want the same thing, but now he's out there saying that she's an MI6 agent. Dude, Candace is not an MI6 agent. I know he has sources on this. Whatever. They're not whoever his source is. Bad actor, dude. Okay? Bad actor. She's not an MI6 agent. That's absurd. That is absurd. What would it. What would her end game be? Okay, like, as it's like, if you show me an agent and you show me what they're doing, I can back into what the purpose of what they're doing would be. What would Candace be doing? What would the purpose of what Candace is doing be if she's an MI6 agent? Makes no sense. Okay? Makes no sense. The reason I've always had her back is because I have always believed that she believes what she's doing is moving in the direction of solving a case and she's working in good faith. The end. Okay? That's why I always. And Alex, I think the same thing. People have been. It just doesn't even matter. Like, it doesn't matter. I am right about what this is. And if everybody can kind of accept that, then we can get back to chasing down leads. Chase down the Huachuca thing. All you got. Go ahead, dude, chase it down. Like, if you guys need help with what the next step is, the next step is to put pressure on TPUSA to get legitimate alibis from Erica Kirk and from Brian Harpo. I know he shared his. His. You know, for people who are like, they already provide. Provided that. Okay, right. He provided his flight. His flight log or, you know, like, he bought these tickets. They're saying, well, that doesn't prove that he was actually on the flight. So just show them that you were on the flights, dude. Show them that you were on the flights. Or show them, you know, like, I don't know, figure out a way that, like, in your hotel room in the morning in Dallas, there's security footage of it. You Know, whatever or whatever. And Erica, in their, what they said, you know, and in their defense, they were like, dude, that she showed a picture from the morning of the 9th, not the 8th. Okay, well, I even thought that what the, what he was saying was that she was there on the 9th. So if I didn't know that, I'm sure she also didn't know and she just sent the wrong day. So if she's waking up there on the 9th, she should probably be able to easily show where she was on the 8th. So just provide it. We're done, it's over, that's the end of all of it. Or if you can't, then, you know, the people who think that this guy Mitch is credible, they could continue to chase down whatever they think comes from this. Right? But like, this is how this needs to go. This is how the investigation goes. Candace is not responsible for every single thing that she puts on her show being accurate. That's not what she does. She, that's why people who watch it, they're like, she's never even saying anything. She's not even like, she's not even like saying what her, her theory is. That's exactly right. She is the central point of an open source investigation. She is putting on her platform what the clues are and then we go chase them down. Okay? She has a tip line that is getting thousands of tips a day. Okay. Do you really think that they could simultaneously vet every single one of these and then also like chase it down with the surgical precision that like other people can? If they, if this is the only thing that they're focused on is like this one clue. She vets the clues, she puts the clues on her platform. We go chase down whether or not these clues hold merit. Ok? And Nate, everybody's mad at Nate. Okay? Like, look, I will acknowledge I have no idea what the exact interaction between Nate and Candace was. Ian, I know was, was defending Nate. I can tell you right now, Nate is a good actor. Dude, okay? Nate's a Green Beret American hero. And what he was doing is what he should have been doing. That's why he said a thousand times, I'm not attacking Candace. He's saying what he pulled about Mitch is this. And he doesn't believe Mitch. It's fine if everybody still believes Mitch. It doesn't matter. He just said, I'm going to show you what I have on him. And then you can choose to believe him or not. As if there's, you know, if there's, let's just say 70% of Candace's people think that Mitch is solid. Fine. So what are you guys going to go do? You're going to go find the next thing that we would chase down from that, which is an alibi for Erica and an alibi for Brian Harle. End of story. If you don't believe Mitch, then you move on to the other thing. There's a million things for everybody to look into. That's what I'm doing. I'm going to test the 30 got 6 theory tomorrow. Okay. With the frag rounds at heavy duty Countries Ranch like every. Like this, this Fort Wachuka thing splitting everybody. That's on purpose. Stop attacking Candace. She didn't say that. She believes that this guy really saw them. She did not say that. That's not what her role is. Her role is the open source center of the entire investigation.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, now so well said. Jesse on fire. Well said. And it's what I've been saying. And people are wanting to divide us because that's what the deep state wants. They want us fighting each other. So of course. So we don't all come together and start looking into it. They want us to stop looking into it. And the way to do it is to discredit Candace Owens. So then we go, oh, it's all crazy. That's not how an investigation works. And invest exactly what he says. You pull a string, you have a lead, you follow it to its conclusion and if it ends up there's nothing there, then we move on to the next thing. That's how any good investigator follows every lead until it comes to a dead end. And people trying to say she shouldn't talk because it's not 100% accurate or that lead led to a dead end is exactly what they want. They want us to fight over each other and stop doing the investigation. Hey, you know, here's another great way you can help support the show. You should become a premium member. We give you a couple of hours of premium bonus content every week and it's a great way to help support the show. You can do it by going to jimmy dork.com clicking on join premium. It's the most affordable premium program in the business and it's a great way to help put your thumb back in the eye of the bastards. Thanks for everybody who was already a premium member. And if you haven't, you're missing out. We give you lots of bonus content. Thanks for your support.

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[Jimmy Dore]

Israeli billionaire Shlomo Kramer and he was on CNBC and he's gonna let you know that first amendment is a nuisance to people like him. And he's gonna tell you we gotta get rid of it. You ready? Let's listen. Network. Shlomo Kramer, also one of the founders of Check Point, another big cyber company.

[Max Blumenthal]

Shlomo, it's great to have.

[Jimmy Dore]

He's the founder of these big Checkpoint. So it doesn't sound good, right? Sounds like another Mossad operation. Oh, Checkpoint. What? Okay, here we go. It sounds like Palantir. Checkpoint.

[Max Blumenthal]

Have you here.

[Jimmy Dore]

Welcome.

[Shlomo Kramer]

Thank you for having me.

[Jimmy Dore]

How is AI cyber warfare shaping geopolitics right now?

[Shlomo Kramer]

So AI is going to revolutionize Cyber warfare is revolutionized cyber warfare from critical infrastructure to the fabric of society and politics and undermining it, giving unfair advantage to the Koretan governments against democratic countries. First Amendment type of.

[CNBC Host]

That's already happening.

[Shlomo Kramer]

That's already happening. You're seeing the polarization in countries that allow for the first amendment and protect it, which is great and I know it's difficult to hear, but it's time to limit the first amendment in order to protect it and quickly before it's too late.

[CNBC Host]

What do you mean?

[Shlomo Kramer]

I mean that we need to control the platforms, all the social platforms we need.

[Jimmy Dore]

You hear this, this is amazing. All the stuff he's packing in in just a few minutes, he's really packing it in. He's the founder of Checkpoint. What was the name? Totalitarian surveillance state. Already taken. So okay, here we go.

[Shlomo Kramer]

To stack rank the authenticity of every person that expresses themselves online.

[Jimmy Dore]

So every person who's online. You cannot go online unless you are already verified by the government who you are. That's what they're saying. So no more anonymous posting. Not nothing really does that. Even pen names. So like Mark Twain would have to say I'm really Samuel Clemens if he was writing today. Yes. According to. For this guy. Yeah.

[Shlomo Kramer]

And take control over what they are saying based on that ranking.

[Jimmy Dore]

So he just said everybody needs to be verified by the government to be able to post on social media and then we control what they're saying by their rankings. And she cuts him off. I wish she didn't cut him off because he was going to tell you it's a social credit score by their rankings. It's their social credit score. So we become more and more like China without the flying cars and the high speed rail and the health care for everybody. I'll back this up a little bit just so you can hear it again.

[Shlomo Kramer]

Of every person, that every person themselves online and take control over what they are saying based on that ranking.

[Jimmy Dore]

And take control. He's literally just saying it out loud. And you watch the two CNBC news twits, not only do they not push back on this, they just keep cut. It's like they're cheering it on. They don't go whoa, I'm in the news business in America. I know the importance of a first Amendment.

[Shlomo Kramer]

The government should.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. So she just clarifies so the government you're talking about, the government should, should control social media. He's like, yeah. She's like okay, yeah, that sounds good. Yeah, that's okay. She doesn't go, are you nuts? You know that's undermines the whole basis of this country. Do you not get that? That we're, we're not supposed to be the Soviet Union, we're not supposed to be China, we're not supposed to be Saudi Arabia. That we're about freedom and the first Amendment. That's why it's first because it's the most important freedom of speech. But, but they don't go whoa. They don't. They go oh yeah. So you're just saying government controls it. Yeah, yeah. It makes sense to do that.

[Shlomo Kramer]

Take control over what they are saying based on that ranking.

[Jimmy Dore]

The government.

[Shlomo Kramer]

The government should.

[Jesse on Fire]

The social media.

[Shlomo Kramer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

And this guy's not even flinching. That guy doesn't flinch. She doesn't flinch. She's just like yeah, ok, well I'm certainly not going to go against an Israeli billionaire who's into cybersecurity. They know, they know where their bread is buttered and how to stay safe.

[Shlomo Kramer]

And we need to educate people against dies and government need to develop cyber defense programs that are as sophisticated. The cyber attack Today, it's a 1 to 100 ratio. And really government are not doing this today at any rate, and enterprises are left fending from themselves.

[CNBC Host]

Technology is moving much faster than the political system typically can to respond to.

[Shlomo Kramer]

So you need to use technology in order to stabilize the political system, and you need to put adjustments that are perhaps not.

[CNBC Host]

I mean, we're at a point though, right? I mean, I can go on Instagram.

[Jimmy Dore]

So. Yeah, I think he's getting ready. Yeah, but come on, we live in a country with the First Amendment and you know, there's already been censorship that people voted against in 2024. Yeah, that's what I thought he was going to say. No, but what he says, he goes to give an example of why what this guy's saying would be a good idea. Watch this.

[CNBC Host]

I mean, we're at a point though, right? I mean, I can go on Instagram or TikTok and frankly, it already is becoming unclear what is fake and what is real.

[Shlomo Kramer]

Exactly.

[CNBC Host]

And once you eliminate that ability to discern truth from fiction and what are you left with?

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, then you just get the government to control everything. Right? That's what, that's what he's saying. The government controls everything. You think I'm kidding? Listen, it gets even worse.

[Shlomo Kramer]

You are left in polarization of society and inner fighting. And you.

[Jimmy Dore]

So he's saying because of people making AI videos and posting them, that leads to polarization and infighting in your society. Which, by the way, is exactly what they want. But guess what his solution is?

[Shlomo Kramer]

Have to control it.

[Jimmy Dore]

And you see that you have to control it. Meaning the government has to control what people are posting on social media. Meaning the government has to police your.

[Shlomo Kramer]

Speech happening across the world. So this is an urgent need by the government to do that. And until then, enterprises are buying by themselves more and more cybersecurity solutions, but they can't afford all these solutions by themselves. So they are looking for ways to deliver more efficient consumption.

[CNBC Host]

And I assume you have some of.

[Shlomo Kramer]

Those ways, obviously, and that that drives the next generation of companies such as Wiz, CrowdStrike, Cato Networks on the network that are platforms and are able to deliver this extended need for security in an affordable way for enterprises, for enterprises, not for governments, not for government. But governments need to start building their programs. And the same tools can be used also by government.

[CNBC Host]

The two leaders in AI. One is China, which obviously already is using AI to control the population. And here we're all out In a race with China.

[Jimmy Dore]

China.

[CNBC Host]

And so we're not as interested in regulation right now, certainly not at the state level, for example.

[Shlomo Kramer]

And that's.

[Jimmy Dore]

First of all, Trump just signed an order saying that the states cannot regulate AI. So they're taking. So the exact opposite of what conservatism usually is about. It's about local control. Trump is taking the control away from people in their local municipalities and giving it to central government, the federal government, which is the opposite of what conservatives are supposed to be for. They're already doing that. So. So, so they're already saying no control of AI.

[Shlomo Kramer]

A big mistake. Because if China has a single narrative that protects its inner stability and the US has multiple. Allows for multiple narratives, it. It puts them in an unfair advantage that long term is going to cost the stability of the nation.

[Jimmy Dore]

So what he just said is, well, if China controls everyone's speech and they can have one narrative get out into their communities, into their society, just one narrative that the government controls, while the United States has everybody being able to say whatever they want, and that's bad, and that gives an advantage to China, and that's going to come back to hurt us. So in order to fight back against China, we have to have one narrative also meaning we have to censor everybody and have the government control our social media and speech. And they're sitting there going, oh, yeah, yeah, makes sense. That's why we're news people. That. Not a. Not an original thought in their brains, not a skeptical question, nothing. Isn't that amazing? I think it's amazing.

[Shlomo Kramer]

So changes must be made.

[Jimmy Dore]

So because the First Amendment, we have to get rid of it to save it. We have to burn down that village so we could save that village. Doesn't that what that sounds like? That's exactly what that sounds like. I wonder where I heard that from. Was it Vietnam? So I. I just hate to tell you, Israel, you already blew it. You blew it by committing a genocide and bullying everybody to go along with censorship. It's. You're. You're like the white comic who, Who. Who opened with the wrong bit at the Apollo, and there's no coming back from that. You got to bug out. So you should be in. You should be in your hideouts, writing documents and faking your demise for the media. Here's what Glenn Greenwald said. He said, genuine thanks to Israeli billionaire Shlomo Kramer for starting. For stating so explicitly and unflinchingly what so many other top Israelis and their US Loyalists are saying, albeit a bit more subtly. Americans Must learn to accept limits on our First Amendment rights. And that's what Benjamin Netanyahu has been screaming about, remember? So, and that's why they did the false flag in Australia was to pressure people to get down to one narrative and censor people who were saying negative things about Zionism and Israel. And that's what this is all about. So you remember that, right? Do you remember they did that? Right? Okay, so Benjamin Netanyahu is pushing out and Trump's doing it for them. He's got the colleges to do it. He's gotten hate speech implemented for Zionists on college campuses. He's got DEI for Zionists on college campuses. He's deporting people who speak critically of Israel. He's doing all that stuff already. He's threatening funding to colleges if they don't censor on behalf of Israel, stuff like that. And let's remember what Mersheimer said. The single greatest threat to freedom of speech in the United States at this point in time is Israel and its supporters here in the United States. March 13, 2025. He said that. Okay, all right, well, here's a little bit more village crazy lady. Mel says this guy, Jay Collins, he's a lieutenant governor of Florida, which a lot of people are saying Florida is like a vassal state to Israel or it's the new Israel. So here's what he have to say. Let's listen to what he had to say. Ok, ready?

[Jesse on Fire]

You don't have the right to harm other people.

[Jimmy Dore]

So you don't have the right to harm other people even with your words. Watch this.

[Jesse on Fire]

You don't have the right to harm other people with your words. And you don't have the right to say things that have really negative, really horrible meanings. When you want people to destroy Israel, that matters.

[Jimmy Dore]

I like what Mel says. She says, yes, I do, Jay, I absolutely do, full stop. God gave me that right. And only God can take away that right of me saying whatever I want, no matter whose feelings it hurts. Dude had one private meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu and now he's got a full blown God complex. Wtaf. What in the actual f? So where do we draw the line at the sensitivities of others? When does it become in actionable by the government to shut you down? What about the nutcase sitting across from you on the bus who gets offended every time you use the word the in a sentence? What about that guy? So here they're going after the First Amendment in broad daylight. This is even worse than taxing us for Israel. Without our representation or consent, which alone warrants revolution. They're finally going for the vault. As the saying goes, this is it. This is it. So remember what Elon Musk said about free speech? I acquired X in order to preserve freedom of speech in America, the First Amendment, and I'm going to stick to that. And if that means making less money, so be it. And when this got tweeted out, he said, without freedom of speech, the west will fall. He said that December 5th of this year. But of course we know he's. He's also a. What they call subservient to Israel. We also know that. So will he stand by his free speech? Will he stand up to this garbage? Will he stand up to the lieutenant Governor of Minnesota? Fascinating seeing these so called anti woke warriors change on a dime to become special DEI snowflakes for Israel's genocide program. Kiralee says already failed in Australia. I have $95,000 in damages I have to pay for identifying two males in a female sport. Truth Speech has been rebranded as vilification and hate speech. Truth Speech is now Hate speech. Newsmax. Harvard University began punishing students who are involved in campus anti Israel protests. There it is. That's at the behest of Trump. Yeah, they definitely should get rid of those critical thinkers protesting. That's to be chilling. The Patriot voice says, remember that Trump has. Has tapped Palantir to create an entire database of all American citizens. It brings no pleasure for me to inform you that Donald Trump is actively working with the very same deep state he claimed he would obliterate to create the largest surveillance database of Americans ever created. The plan is in lockstep with the UN Agenda 2030 goals and the WEF Fourth Industrial Revolution. Remember the first time I heard about the fourth Industrial Revolution? Remember who it was who told me about that? Isn't that interesting? Not Kathleen Madigan, maga. If you're observing this from afar and holding onto any semblance of hope that Trump is who he said he was. Sadly, it's time to wake up to a brutal realization. So this is what's coming. They're. You're in a complete surveillance state. Palantir has been set up to create a database on every American. So this is coming and it's. And. And you see how much the news people are going to push back on this, right? Zero. Because they're. They're controlled by Zionists. Wow. Okay, well, I'll. I'm going to cover more of this in my next segment. So there you go. Zionism is Your enemy. Zionism is the enemy of the world. Zion. Zionism is the enemy of freedom of speech. Zionism is the enemy of freedom and truth. And there you go. And Trump is 100% Zionist. Congratulations, you got suckered.

[Legal Analyst]

Let's start here with the charges, the so called charges. Is there any kind of legal basis for what they have done? Elon was very proud. The grok kind of went head to head with chat GPT claiming, claiming that US law applies to everybody, everybody in the world. Because, because the executive has power to enforce law. You apparently have the right to enforce 1934 gun laws on foreign leaders. So maybe the craziest charge, possession of machine guns and destructive devices was one of the charges. And if you look at, if you look at the indictment, they, they made a mistake right on the first line. They claimed that they were the institutions were importing tons of cocaine to the United States rather than exporting. Now this is a small matter, but if you know anything about law school and the legal world, you know that largely it is about not making mistakes like that. That is really the, the thing that qualifies you to be in that field because that's the kind of thing that a good lawyer can drive a truck through in a, in a court. Now I personally think that's probably related to this. The Justice Department has had thousands of people exit because if you're a lawyer, you look at this administration and you say, yeah, I mean this is like me and the Hague waiting to happen. I'm not going to work for these people. So people, they can get to do the kind of law that's going to give you a justification for this kind of action are the kind of people who are going to make mistakes like that. So is there any basis for the claim, the drug claims or any of the rest of it? Is there, is there any legal interpretation that would allow for this?

[Max Blumenthal]

Well, on the importation claim, it's a, proceed. It's, it's something you have to say in statutory law. You have to say import. Because the way US drug laws are written is from the perspective of American jurisdiction. And so in order to prosecute Maduro or accuse him of drugs exportation, you actually have to say import.

[Legal Analyst]

So you have to relic.

[Max Blumenthal]

It's legalese. And the indictment was written by the same guy who wrote the indictment of Juan Orlando Hernandez, the Honduran president who was convicted of exporting or presiding over the transfer of over 400 tons of cocaine to the United States and was pardoned by Trump after a lobbying campaign from Trump business cronies. So, I mean, they've written, they actually did write a good indictment in that case. We reviewed it very carefully in a two part series at the Gray Zone. And Donald Trump now says, oh, Ron, Orlando Hernandez is, was persecuted, except he was persecuted by Trump's own people. And at the same time, the indictment of Maduro. I've been working for the last 12 hours on a piece that's about to come out, analyzing the indictment and dismantling it. It is a pile of politicized slop. It's, it's like a 25 page rant that is designed to construct a narrative against Maduro in the place of a concrete legal case because they need this trial and the spectacle surrounding it to frame the lawless Don Roe doctrine in which Trump intends to march across the Western hemisphere, intimidating and even bumping off leaders who stand in the way of himself. And Trump incorporated frame it as aggressive enforcement of legal standards. And so that's what this trial is about. So they've constructed a narrative about Maduro that he's involved in narco traffic, not just narco trafficking, but narco terrorism. And they've, and then in order to juice up the indictment, they've stacked the firearms charges in order to get a mandatory minimum of on firearms. And as you said, It's a antiquated 1934 law that they're accusing him of violating, possessing machine guns in a foreign country and then putting them on trial in a country where like hundreds of thousands of people own assault weapons. The 1934 law explicitly bans even sawed off shotguns, which would mean, I don't know, be real. From Cypress Hill would have to be jailed. Half of Trump's base would have to be jailed under this law.

[Legal Analyst]

Right. These are the Second Amendment people.

[Max Blumenthal]

And, and then, you know, you have the, the narco terrorism conspiracy, which alleges that Nicholas Maduro was in a conspiracy with a Venezuelan gang called Train de Aragua alongside the Sinaloa cartel and the Mexican Zetas to ship cocaine into the United States. There are several problems with that, which is that Maduro is accused of very or his inner circle are accused of various incidents in which they're moving drugs around or providing diplomatic cover to drug traffickers from Venezuela to Mexico, where these cartels supposedly pick up the cocaine and then take it to the U.S. the first problem is that's not U.S. jurisdiction. The U.S. has no ability to prosecute anything that takes place in Venezuela or Mexico. Those are sovereign states.

[Jesse on Fire]

Right.

[Max Blumenthal]

There's one kind of throwaway claim that Maduro's son decided to take low grade cocaine that wasn't good enough for Mexico and take it to New York instead. I think a lot of bartenders in New York would dispute the idea that the cocaine is low grade. But you know, or you know, people who are just trying to go there, it's not, it's not a credible claim. And these all date back to the era when the US controlled the Mexican government between the Vicente Fox, Enrique Pena Nieto and Calderon era when the United States knew that the top cop in Mexico was actually working with the Sinaloa cartel, but decided to look the other way. It's kind of another story. But they inadvertently implicate the Mexican government in this. They have no grounds to prosecute any of this.

[Jimmy Dore]

And it.

[Max Blumenthal]

So it all took place back between 2002 and 2011. The narco terrorism designations for these cartels, including Train de Aragua, came in in 2020 five months ahead of the Maduro trial, as the US is planning an invasion of Venezuela. So it's all a retroactive designation in order to get terrorism charges so they can circumvent international law.

[Legal Analyst]

Right.

[Max Blumenthal]

And they inadvertently, they inadvertently implicate Honduras as well by referring to it as a trans shipment point in the indictment. So the guy that Trump just pardoned is referred to in this indictment as a major criminal who has been corrupted and paid off by major cartels in the indictment, in the indictment because it was written by the same guy who prosecuted Juan Orlando Hernandez. So it doesn't make sense. There's no, there are no, there's no clear data on how much cocaine was supposedly shipped through Venezuela to the United States. They say tons, then they say thousands of tons of which could generate, I don't know, $400 billion in revenue, which is more than most countries GDP. And then at another point they say 250 tons a year, which actually is less than the amount of cocaine coming out of US allied Ecuador right now. It's all very vague, politicized, subjective, highly charged language. They refer to Maduro as corrupt, illegitimate, but they fail to establish that he is illegitimate under Venezuelan law. Which means that under the International Court of Justice's decision of Democratic Republic of Congo versus Belgium, which holds that heads of state enjoy immunity in national courts, which is why they have to be prosecuted at the icc.

[Legal Analyst]

Right.

[Max Blumenthal]

They cannot establish that Nicolas Maduro did not control the Venezuelan government. It's its borders, its military, its elections and so on. And it doesn't even matter if you say he stole an election he was in control of the institutions. He was the head of state. There was nobody else. So you cannot, if the judge decides to take inter. Consult international law, then the ICJ decision is pretty important there. I mean, just consider how many, how a, somehow a more powerful China could just extract Donald Trump and accuse him of corruption and supporting genocide in Gaza. It would be like that. And they try him in Beijing. That's what's taking place here with Maduro. And then finally, remember that I said this because this is what is probably going to happen in this trial. The star witness in this trial is going to be a former general in the Venezuelan military named Hugo El Pollo Carvajal. They called him El Chicken, the Chicken, because he kind of looked like a chicken. He was really close confederate of Hugo Chavez. And he was the head of military intelligence under chavez for almost 10 years. He was seemingly, he was seemingly compromised by the US and they started accusing him of drug traffickings. He was arrested first in 19, in 2014 in Aruba, but he made it back to Venezuela. Then in 2017, after Maduro is president and Chavez is dead under suspicious circumstances, Carvajal comes out and starts attacking Maduro inside Venezuela, condemning him because he's facing two indictments suddenly in the United States. So he's trying to proffer himself, to put himself forward as the ultimate collaborator, to save his own skin. Two years later, he takes, he tries to get asylum in Spain and the US Extradites him. And then Senator Marco Rubio says Hugo Carvajal will be coming to the United States soon to supply damning evidence against the Maduro crime regime. So they were trying to jail him all this time and in order to force him to produce some testimony as the star witness against Maduro because they needed some insider witness. Four years later, he's finally extradited to the US this year, Carvajal was convicted in the same Southern District Court of New York where, where Maduro will be put on trial of drug trafficking. And he signs a secret plea deal, a secret agreement with his prosecutors to provide testimony on Maduro. And in exchange for reducing what could be a 50 year sentence, he may get like two years, but he's going to be the star witness and he will say anything. In fact, in a letter to Trump after his conviction, he told Trump that he has evidence that Venezuela's smartmatic voting machines played a role in rigging or hacking the US election in 2020 to rig it in favor of Joe Biden, which is like Donald Trump's wet dream. It's Everything. So this is going to be the star witness against Maduro. I mean, and, and, and, and I've, you know, uncovered some evidence that he was initially compromised by the CIA through a possible drug running operation run by the CIA. Then finally, I guess I already said finally, but I can't. I wanted to make another point.

[Legal Analyst]

The Department of Justice, we appreciate the depth of your knowledge, man.

[Max Blumenthal]

Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I've just been working on this all day going down the rabbit hole. So, you know, this is, you know, me getting it. This is catharsis. The cartel of the Suns is the cartel that Nicholas Maduro is said to be the, the head of. Hugo Carvajal, who's going to be the star witness was one of these generals they say was in the cartel of the Suns. And Diostado Cabello, who's also indicted with Maduro, is in it. They say it's a network of corrupt Venezuelan generals and politicians who are moving drugs through Venezuela into the United States. The cartel, and they say in the indictment it was created in 1999, which is the year Hugo Chavez was elected, when they did away with the old kind of centrist US run IMF governments. That's a lie. The cartel of the Suns was created in the Reagan era by the CIA. As reported by the New York Times in 60 Minutes. The cartel of the Suns was.

[Jimmy Dore]

A.

[Max Blumenthal]

Handful of Venezuelan National Guard officers who served in an administration before Chavez, a pro US Administration. And they were the main CIA assets in Caracas who were told to preside over shipments of cocaine, uncontrolled shipments into the, into the United States to let the dope walk in US cities. So supposedly then the DEA could learn more about drug gangs inside the United States. I actually think the CIA was trying to fund black operations, but it's just an established fact that the cartel of the Suns was created by the CIA. And now it no longer exists. It simply does not exist. No credible expert or US official who served in this capacity would ever say it exists. Basically what Trump did in his first term under the guidance of Attorney General William Barr, the former CIA officer who wrote the pardons for all the Iran Contra felons who were, you know, overseeing CIA drug running, Ali north and company was get the dia, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the DEA to tell Trump that the cartel of the Suns was a real thing and that he should issue a bounty for Maduro and an indictment. So the whole indictment from top to bottom is phony. Contains smears, speculation and testimony from coerced witnesses who are telling the Trump Administration, whatever it wanted to hear, introducing any charges it wanted to weaponize in its maximum pressure campaign against Venezuela to prevent themselves from serving long sentences in a U.S. federal penitentiary. And it has all ended up with this trial where a kidnapped president and his wife who appears to have been injured in her abduction are going to face this years long phony legal spectacle in order to justify the Donroe doctrine.

[Legal Analyst]

Now, given that the case has this many flaws, is there any chance of them getting a fair trial and being found not guilty? And what would the outcome of that be?

[Max Blumenthal]

I mean, this Southern District court seems to convict any, any Latin American figure the US wants to indict there. It's like their special court for these kinds of drug conspiracy cases. But the Maduro case is special because it's, as I said, it's a test of international law and whether the Trump administration can simply invalidate international law on head of state immunity. They will be. The case will be presided over by a 93 year old Clinton appointee who is considered very procedural, which is interesting and I think that discovery could prove very interesting and embarrassing to the US government. If Maduro's team wants to bring in the role, for example, of the CIA in drug running or they want to impugn the credibility of the star witness Hugo El Pollo Carvajal there. There are a lot of angles that I could see the defense approaching this from. And at the same time, the indictment that I've seen, it's not strong. So you have to have a heavily biased judge to actually make this case work for the prosecution. And he has to prevent political context from being introduced in this case as well as to accept the illegitimacy of Maduro.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey, this is Jimmy. Who's this?

[Andrew Cuomo]

Hello, Jimmy, this is Andrew Cuomo calling. Let me add my voice to the chorus and wish you a happy New Year.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, happy New Year to you, Governor. Did you do anything on January 1st?

[Andrew Cuomo]

No, just stayed home. Not much interesting was happening here in New York City on New Year's Day, which is typical. Basically the entire city was exhausted from partying the night before and staying up so, so late. And you know, the older you get, the more that takes a toll on you.

[Jimmy Dore]

Tell me about it. Well, there, there was Zoran Mondami's inauguration as mayor and the festivities surrounding it that was going on.

[Andrew Cuomo]

Oh yeah, I think I saw something about that on the tv.

[Jimmy Dore]

You didn't attend. Chuck Schumer was there. Bernie Sanders was there.

[Andrew Cuomo]

Oh, well, good for them. I hope they had a nice time. I was at home reading the newspapers, as I am now. And, Jimmy, I am blown away by what I'm seeing.

[Jimmy Dore]

And what's that?

[Andrew Cuomo]

There's this little crime report section here on page five for all five boroughs. And yesterday alone, there was a murder in Far Rockaway, a carjacking in the Bronx, numerous petty larcenies and sexual assaults. It's just very disheartening. What's happening to this city is that.

[Jimmy Dore]

More crime than normally occurs in New York City in one day.

[Andrew Cuomo]

I don't know. I've never actually read this little section of the newspaper before. But one thing is very clear.

[Jimmy Dore]

What's that?

[Andrew Cuomo]

This is just the new normal in Zoran, New York. A wasteland of senseless violence.

[Jimmy Dore]

One day. Governor, he's been mayor for one day. How could that possibly be enough time to change the crime patterns in New York?

[Andrew Cuomo]

A communist who doesn't even believe in prisons becomes mayor. And of course, that's going to be a signal, a flare for all the criminal scum of New York to go crazy, to unleash a crime wave on our city, the likes of which we've never seen.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, what was the crime report for December 31st?

[Andrew Cuomo]

Well, that's new Year's Eve, Jimmy. That day is an outlier. There's always more crime incidents.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, how about December 30th?

[Andrew Cuomo]

I don't know. I threw that paper away already.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, for crying out loud. Put aside how insane it is to go by one day of crime statistics. How about the fact that he's keeping Mayor Adams? Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch, who herself was never even a police officer. She's a Zionist and from a family of billionaires. Doesn't sound like the move of a radical communist Muslim mayor with a secret agenda to gin up crime.

[Andrew Cuomo]

Jimmy, these January 1st crime reports don't lie. Now, despite the fact I personally committed several of these crimes myself in order to jack up the numbers, the message here is clear. Zoron is soft on crime. Bad for New York.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, brother.

[Andrew Cuomo]

And you better believe everyone opposing him is going to softly imply that every crime that occurs in this city is because of Zoron. Which is great, because this is New York. There's always crime.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes, that's my point.

[Andrew Cuomo]

But now we can blame it on a brown mayor with a funky name.

[Jimmy Dore]

Don't you think this strategy is going to backfire?

[Andrew Cuomo]

Not really. Not really? Look at what he said during his inauguration speech.

[Jimmy Dore]

I thought you said you weren't there.

[Andrew Cuomo]

Well, I wasn't there there. I was on a rooftop about a Block away in disguise, watching with binoculars. Anywho, he said, we are going to reject the ideology of rugged individualism and embrace collectivism. After being sworn in on a Koran, he may have, well, banged his shoe on the podium, screaming, we will bury you, and then threw that shoe at George W. Bush.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, come on. Anyone who thinks he's going to enact an actual far left program for New York City is. It's going to be sorely, sorely disappointed.

[Andrew Cuomo]

I don't give a shit about that. This is about what we can imply. Collectivism. What do you think that means? Collectively do crime. That's what he's calling for. A crime wave with a pinko tint to it.

[Jimmy Dore]

Sure.

[Andrew Cuomo]

And honestly, Jimmy, I'm not sure if New York can survive Zora.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew Cuomo]

By the time he's done, the only person who could clean up this town would be Snake Plissken.

[Jimmy Dore]

Is this what you're going to do for the next four years? Hyperbole and scare tactics?

[Andrew Cuomo]

Absolutely. You better believe it, Buster Brown. You know, I used to cow Zoran by saying he has no balls. Not like you and me, at least. Well, I take that back. It takes massive balls to get elected mayor and then unleash a massive crime wave on the very city that elected you. Unprecedented cojones. Unlimited stugots. Respect where it's due, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, great. Governor, we. We gotta get going. Happy New Year.

[Andrew Cuomo]

Same to you, Jimmy. Have a good show. But, hey, maybe stay inside for a while. I fear that this communist conflagration of crime instigated by Zoran Kwame Momdami might go nationwide. Stay safe out there, Jimmy. Arrived.

[Jimmy Dore]

Arrived. Hey. Become a premium member. Go to jimmy dorecomedy.com sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be, and I'll keep being me. Now, don't freak out.

[Andrew Cuomo]

Don't freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Don't freak out. Don't freak out.

[Jesse on Fire]

Don't freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Don't freak out. Do not freak out. I'm not kidding. Do not. Do not.

[Max Blumenthal]

I'm not. I'm not.

[Andrew Cuomo]

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.

[Jimmy Dore]

Do not freak out.

[Jesse on Fire]

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