Whitney Webb: What They're NOT Telling You About Joe Kent!

Summary

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The Jimmy Dore Show: Whitney Webb – What They're NOT Telling You About Joe Kent!

Date: March 30, 2026
Host: Jimmy Dore
Guests: Whitney Webb, Misty Winston, Derek Broze, Vince Vaughn (satirical), Ben Shapiro (audio clips)
Episode Theme:
A deep dive into skepticism surrounding "former" intelligence professionals entering right-wing politics (specifically Joe Kent), the manipulation of the domestic terror narrative in the U.S., and sharp criticism of U.S. foreign policy, endless war, and media propaganda (focusing especially on Ben Shapiro’s shifting Iran War rhetoric).

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the suspicion surrounding ex-intelligence officer Joe Kent’s political emergence and the broader manipulation of domestic terror narratives against right-populists. Whitney Webb voices concern about government and media tactics that label dissenters “domestic terrorists,” with discussion flowing into the bipartisan advance of the "war on domestic terror." The episode also features critical commentary and analysis of Ben Shapiro’s hawkish, shifting positions regarding the ongoing U.S.-Iran war, highlighting the role of media narrative managers.

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Key Highlights & Discussion Points

1. Whitney Webb on Joe Kent & Intelligence Manipulation

[00:38-08:54]

• Joe Kent’s Background:
  • Whitney Webb expresses skepticism about Joe Kent, a former intelligence officer turned right-wing populist candidate, cautioning that ex-spooks often appear suddenly echoing what the public wants to hear.
    • Quote:
      “I think people should be careful in trusting former, quote-unquote, former spooks who come out of nowhere and are saying what you want to hear right away... I would advise vigilance and critical thinking.” (Whitney Webb, [00:42])
• Potential Long Game / Psyop:
  • Webb theorizes that national security establishments might be “engineering the demographic” of the new domestic terrorist by cultivating right-populist leaders who eventually justify further surveillance and crackdowns.
  • Quote:
    “So basically, if you have Trump officials that are...claiming right-leaning anti-Semites are domestic terrorists that need to be targeted...and then you have people like Joe Kent coming out...you can have the Trump administration swoop in...to try and sort of engineer this problem.” (Whitney Webb, [04:54])
• Warning to the Audience:
  • Webb admits she’s still developing this theory, urges vigilance, and criticizes unquestioned acceptance of government-narrative figures:
    • Quote:
      “I just find it potentially worrisome…people should critically think and be vigilant and watch what the guy does and see what happens. Maybe it’s genuine...” (Whitney Webb, [08:07])

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2. Manipulating the War on Domestic Terror

[08:54-12:40]

• Surveillance Turned Inward:
  • Webb connects post-9/11 surveillance apparatus with plans to retool these tools against domestic “subversives”—specifically gun-owning, right-leaning critics.
• Palantir & COG:
  • She mentions the modern expansion of Palantir and “continuity of government” (COG) protocols, warning these could target political dissent as terrorism.
  • Quote:
    “They have been planning for 25 years to direct that same [national security] infrastructure back home on the war on domestic terror...e.g., Palantir…to label people as subversive or potentially terrorist.” (Whitney Webb, [10:09])

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3. Foreign Policy, Populism, and Political Flip-Flops

[09:13-13:33]

• Jimmy Dore Highlights Politician Hypocrisy:
  • Uses Tulsi Gabbard’s anti-war credibility as a touchstone for skepticism about newcomers like Joe Kent, reflecting on the ongoing flip-flops by Trump and others.
• Webb’s Takeaway:
  • Encourages local engagement and divesting from Big Tech as means of resistance.

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4. Ben Shapiro and Narrative Management on the Iran War

[32:02-56:56]

• Shapiro's War Rhetoric Evolution:
  • Clips show Shapiro shifting from promising a brief war to preparing audiences for a protracted, costly conflict.
    • Quote: (on U.S. military losses and endurance for war):
      “If necessary, military activity can only be pursued at zero cost, there’s no use in having a military... there is no way to extricate ourselves from this situation right now.” (Ben Shapiro, [33:32])
• Hostility to Dissent:
  • Dore and guests denounce Shapiro’s dismissiveness about dead Americans and his insulation from war’s consequences.
    • Misty Winston:
      “He’s insulated from this...it’s going to be our sons and daughters...They are fine with sending you to die for Israel.” ([41:27])
• Goal of Endless War:
  • Webb (2011 quote):
    “The goal is not to completely subjugate Afghanistan. The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money...the goal is to have an endless war, not a successful war.” ([39:18])
• Shapiro’s Shifting Goalposts (Timeline):
  • Promised a “three minute flat” knock out of Iranian positions ([Feb 12, 2026]),
  • March: “not going to last probably more than another two weeks”
  • Late March: “buckle up for the long run”, normalizes decade-long quagmires ([51:44])
  • Dore team exposes these contradictions and labels Shapiro a propagandist.

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5. Broader Political Disillusionment and Calls for Grassroots Action

[15:21–30:20, 27:52–32:02]

• Discussion at CPAC:
  • Derek Broze and Misty Winston reflect on the conformity demanded by both left and right parties and the persistent “false hope” cycle voters endure.
    • “Both sides expect you to have loyalty and to not be a critical thinker...You got to back the candidate, whether it’s Biden, whether it’s Trump...” (Derek, [21:12])
• Grassroots Solutions:
  • Broze promotes “Activation Tour,” local organizing, and divestment from big tech, emphasizing independence from political saviors.
    • “If people are really against what’s happening, please consider not using and being completely dependent on big tech products if you want to fight.” (Whitney Webb, [14:05])

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Notable Quotes

• Whitney Webb:
  • “I worry that some of the so-called MAGA civil war…is being engineered to lead people into a very inconvenient for them categorization by…these surveillance engines.” ([10:09])
  • “Those kind of psyops are happening all the time. So why wouldn’t they be happening now?” ([08:07])
• Jimmy Dore:
  • “[Tulsi Gabbard’s] flip-flop now makes me, wow, now I’m going to be super… skeptical of Joe Kent.” ([09:13])
• Misty Winston:
  • “He’s just so blasé about it…they are fine with sending you to die for Israel.” ([41:27])
  • “You can’t vote your way out of this…a lot more people seem to understand that now.” ([24:08])
• Derek Broze:
  • “It expects people to give up any principles that they might hold…if they just care about their own political career and not the principles…” ([22:20])
• Ben Shapiro (clips):
  • “The point of a military is to do hard and dangerous things…that’s why our military members are heroes.” ([33:32])
  • “There is no way to extricate ourselves from this situation right now.” ([33:32])
  • “We are less than two weeks into the war and it’s not going to last probably more than another two weeks.” ([cited from March 11, [51:44]])
  • “Buckle up for the long run.” ([cited from March 27, [51:44]])

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Key Timestamps

• 00:38: Whitney Webb's initial take on Joe Kent and “former” spooks
• 01:49–06:47: Webb’s theory tying domestic terror infrastructure to the engineering of right-wing opposition
• 09:13: Jimmy Dore on Tulsi Gabbard as a credibility reference point
• 10:09–12:40: Domestic war on terror, Palantir, COG
• 32:02–39:15: Misty Winston frames the segment on Ben Shapiro’s propaganda shifts
• 33:32–36:41: Shapiro: justifies endless war, dismisses U.S. casualties, economic fallout as worth it
• 39:18: Whitney Webb’s (2011) quote on endless war as the U.S.'s true goal
• 51:44: Winston catalogues Shapiro’s shifting timelines and exposes narrative manipulation

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Tone & Language

• Cynical, Subversive, Analytical:
  The show’s hosts and guests maintain sharp, irreverent, and frequently outraged tones, lacing deep skepticism with sarcasm and righteous anger.
• Accessible though Detailed:
  The discussion is rich with explanation—hosts clarify for listeners less familiar with deep-state thinking or anti-imperialist analysis.

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• Vigilance Above All:
  Be skeptical of establishment media and politicians—left, right, intelligence, or populist.
• Domestic “Terror” Policy Is a Moving Target:
  The U.S. security state is repurposing its external infrastructure for internal suppression of dissent, seeking narratives that justify targeting new groups.
• Media War Narrative Managers:
  Figures like Ben Shapiro actively move the goalposts to serve war and the interests behind it; tracking their contradictions is essential.
• Don’t Wait for Saviors—Organize Locally:
  All hosts and guests stress grassroots efforts, local involvement, and partial tech divestment as more meaningful responses than electoral politics.
• Endless War Serves the Few:
  War abroad (and increasingly at home) serves transnational interests, not public well-being—“Endless war, not a successful war.”
• Remain Patient—but Radical:
  Remain patient with the newly disillusioned, but uncompromising on rejecting war and surveillance state logic.

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For anyone seeking an honest breakdown of the anti-war left and right-populist skepticism in the age of domestic and foreign psyops, this is essential listening—or reading.

Transcript

[Jimmy Dore]

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[Misty Winston]

Establishment media sucks. August light and so good luck. We can't afford why he's fomenting this watch and see as his jack golf the medium speeds and jumps the meteor medium and hit some head on it's the Chim show.

[Jimmy Dore]

What do you make of Joe Kent?

[Whitney Webb]

Yeah, so with Joe Kent, he's a intelligence officer and top CIA guy. I think a lot of stuff is going on right now, and I'm not exactly sure how I feel about it, but I think people should be careful and trusting former, quote, unquote, former spooks who come out of nowhere and are saying what you want to hear right away. Because a lot of times what happens is that these figures will do that to build up trust with the public and then they'll misdirect you somewhere else if you're not careful. So I would advise vigilance and critical thinking, which is often in short supply, but should not be about that figure in, in particular. But.

[Jimmy Dore]

So you think there's like, there might be some kind of a long game plan with Joe Kent?

[Whitney Webb]

Oh, yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

So you. So, so, so I, I've heard this argument and, and that, you know, don't take him as face value, that they're just setting him up to be the next Trump or J.D. vance or something, and then he's going to do all the horrible thing. So that's.

[Whitney Webb]

They could. It's very possible, but I don't know how it'll go. But, but let me give you an example of why I'm really skeptical of. So when Trump was. I encourage people to go back and look at the first iteration of the Trump administration to understand what's happening now. And since my career in journalism began during Trump's first term, I thankfully remember a good amount of it. So about a year before the January six event, there was this DHS official, and this is the Trump administration, Elizabeth Newman, I think her name was. She was basically saying there's going to be a domestic terror event. We can see it building, but we can't quite stop it. It's another 9, 11. Oh no. If only we had more surveillance powers and whatever, we could maybe stop this other imminent 911 whatever. And so basically in that hearing, it was a hearing where she was testifying top Officials from DHS and, and other intelligence agencies were basically painting who is the up and coming domestic terrorist profile in the United States, What Americans are domestic terrorists. And so basically the. I, I really wish I could remember the specific name of the hearing to direct people to that because it is on C Span still. But basically the profile they gave were anti Semitic Trump supporters or anti Semitic right leaning populace. So I worry when people from that exact nexus that existed in Trump 1 come out and are trying to get right leaning populists in particular to do things that the Trump administration itself, even if no one else agrees with the definition, would define as anti Semitic.

[Jimmy Dore]

So, so what I explain that against me because you lost me a little bit right at the end. So you're saying that.

[Whitney Webb]

Okay, so basically the first Trump administration defined the rising domestic terror threat because after 911 they've been building all this infrastructure for a war on domestic terror. Every administration has advanced it, Democrat and Republican.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes.

[Whitney Webb]

So who are they saying domestic terrorists are? Anti Semitic right leaning populace.

[Jimmy Dore]

And so do you think Joe Kent is, is one of those?

[Whitney Webb]

Well, where was. So before this era they had the domestic terror threat they were trying to put in front of you were obviously these groups of like Feds, like Patriot Front Patriot and the Proud Boys.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes.

[Whitney Webb]

And all of that. Okay, so how, if you, if, if you can't fake the demographic, how do you engineer the demographic?

[Derek]

And so you think that, does that make sense?

[Whitney Webb]

So basically if you have Trump officials that are part of this apparatus claiming right leaning anti Semites are domestic terrorists that need to be targeted by this infrastructure and the surveillance infrastructure in pre crime and all of that that's been a part of this buildup of the war on domestic terror. And then you have people coming out and being like we're going to blame, you know, you know, saying what people want to hear because obviously Israel absolutely is intimately involved with getting us involved in the Iran war. But the other side of it is you create, you, you signal, boost that with people like Joe Kent potentially. And then you have people sort of muddy the waters between Israel and all Jewish people, which is, and then you can have the Trump administration swoop in and you know, look at Alexis Wilkins. Foreign government operators are, are driving these narratives. It's, it's like reverse Russiagate and Well, I mean I probably should have thought this theory a little bit more before explaining it on your show, but basically I worry that someone like Joe Kent is coming out of, out of nowhere to try and sort of engineer this problem that the US Government has Had is we can't make domestic terrorists appear that f our profile. So now we want people to create a class of right leaning populists who basically fit our definition. If we just define anti Semites as people who are critical of Israel and then we can target these people with our domestic terror infrastructure. So I worry that could be happening and I know people are probably going to clip this out of context and make me try and make me sound insane because I, I haven't written an article on it. It's just why I don't trust the guy and you ask. So.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, all right.

[Whitney Webb]

Trying to explain.

[Jimmy Dore]

So. Oh, and so I, my, my argument would be like, my argument was that, well, I think if they were, you know, trying to set Joe Kent up to be the future of this. Neil.

[Whitney Webb]

I think that's possible too, but I think it could go multiple ways also. We'll see. I mean if, if they can't run J.D. vance because he's so tarred by the Iran war, however that plays out and the Peter Teal ties, whatever. Yeah, they need someone else. And what better person to have someone who was a neocon up until now and then come out as, you know, not that and then get in office and revert to that. I mean, he was funded by Peter Thiel too when he unsuccessfully ran for office. Joe Kent.

[Jimmy Dore]

So, so all the attacks that are happening against Joe Kent, you think that's just part of some kind of a psyop or, or.

[Whitney Webb]

No, I don't know. I honestly don't know. I mean, you're asking me something that I've only sort of thought about and I'm just trying to explain, you know, why I'm skeptical and I haven't explained it and interviews are in a piece, I tend, you know, it's easier to write a piece and then talk about. Okay, I got you talk about it. You know, all right, we'll go write

[Jimmy Dore]

that piece and then we'll come, come back and we'll talk about it.

[Whitney Webb]

Yeah, I just, I just, I just find it potentially worrisome and I, like I said, I think people should critically think and be vigilant and watch what the guy does and see what happens. Maybe it's genuine, but I think, well, after the government and the quote unquote deep state is smarter than they give us credit for and they don't like so many people being against neoconservative foreign policy and against, you know, different things that are happening in the country. So how do we quell and manipulate that descent into Something that is better for us. Those kind of psyops are happening all the time. So why wouldn't they be happening now with very high profile national security figures that resign and then are, you know, all over the news?

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, okay. I mean after the flip flop by Trump himself, I mean he was even at CPAC last year screaming that we're not going to have neocons in our administrator and all those people are.

[Whitney Webb]

But it's a sales pitch, you know, campaign season, their sales pitches. But it's true for every politician running for president.

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, you know, like Tulsi, she actually did. She stepped down as the vice chair of the DNC because she wanted to support Bernie and saw the corporate takeover and she didn't take corporate money. She spoke out on Syria and she got called all kinds of names. And so that gave to me, that gave her credibility because she's taken a lot of slings and arrows telling the truth against and you know, the establishment narrative. And so to see her go along with what Trump's doing, the exact, I mean she was putting out t shirts in 2019 and 2020 stop Trump's war in Iran. No Iran war. And she was, you know, she introduced a bill to stop Donald Trump from being able to start a war with Iran herself. She introduced that. So that gave her credit a lot of credibility with me. And so that kind of flip flop now makes me, wow, now I'm going to be super. You're right, like I should be super skeptical of Joe Kent. I should eat even more than I normally would be. So I think I'm.

[Whitney Webb]

Yeah, it's important to do that and I think it's important to remember that just like the war on terror was oppression of the U. S. National security state abroad, they have been planning for 25 years to direct that same infrastructure back home on the war on domestic terror. And they are just waiting for a major problem of anti Semitic, allegedly anti Semitic gun owning Republicans by their own admission. So you know, I worry that some of the, the so called MAGA civil war as some people are calling it is being engineered to you know, lead people into a very inconvenient for them categorization by you know, Palantir and these other, you know, in surveillance engines used by the national security state that label people as subversive or potentially terrorist or whatever. And a lot of that those profiles are built on the, the media you consume and what you say and write online. So obviously I think efforts to manipulate the, the situation will try, is to try and you know they, they don't build this infrastructure to never use it, is my point. And so if there's too much domestic dissent about an unpopular war, the US government historically has planned to do all sorts of insane stuff to quell dissent. And the most famous happened during the Reagan era, where under a vaguely defined national emergency, which included widespread non violent protests against a US military intervention abroad, they could suspend the Constitution and enact what they called continuity of government protocols, which would involve basically going after the people that the US government defines today as domestic terrorists.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, that's, that's coming. Or that's, they've had that continuity of government, you know, whenever it's brought up in a congressional hearing, they shut it down right away. That talk to talk of continuity of government. It's.

[Whitney Webb]

Yeah, I know, but my concern is this infrastructure has been expanded since then.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes, yes.

[Whitney Webb]

And you know, the vice president is someone intimately connected to the Palantir creator. You know, and you have top anti, the top counter terrorism spook in the country comes out as, you know, as exactly the, the type of profile that the Trump administration previously tried to claim were domestic terrorists.

[Jimmy Dore]

Mm. Whitney Webb, I appreciate your time. Thanks for, for coming on our show. Everybody should check out Unlimited Hangout. Her latest article, Technate Ohio. How Leslie Wexner and Jeffrey Epstein Built the Silicone Heartland. Any, thank you so much again. It's always good to talk to you, Whitey. You do, you do great work. And I guess we should all move to Chile or something because that sounds like the United States is going down pretty bad.

[Whitney Webb]

I, I again, I mean, I think Chile is great, but it, there's problems here too. There's problems everywhere. And I think the best thing people can do is get involved locally and pay attention to what's going on in your own backyard. And also if you don't like what big tech is doing, divest from their products and try not to use them as much as possible.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I can't, I can't stop using YouTube, that's for sure. I can't stop using Twitter. What anybody gonna do? What are you gonna, you know, can't stop using Twitter or I can't stop.

[Whitney Webb]

Well, sure, I have a lot of followers on, on Twitter too. And a lot of times it's the best way to get engagement, but the best thing you can do is try and can at least offer other options to your audience. So if they are unhappy with what's happening, they can off board. But I mean convenience is a powerful tool to sell these systems. And a lot of American susceptible to the carrot and the carrot and the stick analogy with the carrot being convenience. So, you know, a lot of people will stay on those platforms. But I think if people are really against what's happening, please consider not using and being completely dependent on big tech products if you want to fight.

[Jimmy Dore]

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[Misty Winston]

Welcome to the Jimmy Dore Show. I'm your guest host for today, Misty Winston. I'm joined by Derrick Rose, who is currently at cpac. He's attempting to interview and confront several different people there while he's there. But this video did come out today, and it was really funny. It's Trump. Okay, I'm just gonna let you watch it, and then we'll. We'll talk about it.

[Ben Shapiro]

Any of you would like to see impeachment hearings? No, that was the wrong answer.

[Vince Vaughn]

Try it again.

[Ben Shapiro]

How many of you would like to see impeachment hearings?

[Jimmy Dore]

No.

[Ben Shapiro]

Can someone bring some coffee out for the. Yeah, I know we've got to keep this House majority.

[Misty Winston]

How many of you agree with that? It's so awkward. That was so awkward. Like, they literally cheered impeachment hearings back to back.

[Derek]

So I saw a few awkward things like that. I was in the room, actually, for that one. And it. It's interesting because I've noticed a few of the speakers, including that gentleman there who's the head of cpac, having to kind of, like, pump up the crowd. And again, maybe it's because there's less people there than they typically expect. Like, come on, I can't hear you. Like, make some noise or just trying to, like, amp up the energy. I will say that Bannon probably had the biggest crowd that I've seen there and. Or yesterday, Nick Shirley, that. That young YouTuber was there, and then a bunch of people were all, you know, pumped over him. But other than that, yeah, it's been. It's been awkward to. To see. To see that kind of thing. I Hadn't really known that the clip was out there already. But yeah, there, there's definitely some, some interesting energy. You know, one talk that I will say that I'll give credit to, I don't really follow this guy. I think his name's Brandon Straka. The Walk Away movement, this guy was. Yeah, he was. He got a lot of attention, like, like a lot of folks for switching sides. Let's say he used to be a Democrat and then he kind of woke up in court. This is his story. He's like, I woke up, the radical left woke, blah, blah, and I joined, you know, the Trump movement. And so he started the walk away movement. And his speech, though, was interesting because he was one of the, of a couple people saying, look, don't make me walk away from the Republican movement now, because now it seems like we have to all have the same opinion and we can't have different differences of opinion about Iran or about Israel. And so it was interesting because I don't know where he falls in these issues, but he was saying when he was attacked by the left that two people that were supportive of him were Mark Levin and Tucker Carlson. And he's like, but now I'm being asked to choose between which of these gentlemen I should follow. And if I follow this one, then I'm a radical Zionist. And if I follow this one, I don't particularly trust either of the people he mentioned. But I just thought that it was interesting that it was being mentioned that, hey, we shouldn't necessarily all have to agree on everything to be a part of this coalition, because I think that is a lot of what CPAC is trying to push right now, from what I can see, which is we need to beat the Democrats in the midterms. So stop, you know, debating Trump's policies or who cares about Iran or this and that. Like, we need to stick together, which is just the same thing that Democrats and all the politicians have always tried to do is don't be a principal person, don't challenge things, don't rock the boat. Or if you do so do it after the election, then you could, you know, have principles and values and stuff like that. But for right now, we need to be a unified front. And again, I mean, just to what I was sharing earlier, this is why I think politics has failed, because it expects people to give up any principles that they might hold. And in fact, maybe this gentleman, Brandon Shocker, was saying, like, you know, I left the. The left or the left left me, however you want to think about that because the principles I held, that I thought they believed in were no longer relevant. And now I found my new home over here. But it kind of seemed like now he's starting to rethink that of like, okay, now you guys are just turning into the mirror image of the same thing that I thought I was getting away from. That's politics for you, though, is that both sides are going to expect you to have loyalty and to not be a critical thinker, to not question, to not challenge. And you got to back the candidate, whether it's Biden, whether it's Trump, whether it's Clinton, whatever. That is how they play the game. And so I'm just really hoping that so many people, especially in this audience here, who woke up to the left during COVID and Biden and the Democrats or however you want to term that, because I know the left, Democrats aren't really left. But you know that general blob, right. If you woke up to what they're doing that and then you went to Trump and the RFK coalition and Tulsi and all this stuff thinking that it was something different. Hopefully. Now you don't think the answer is just to go back to the other side, Because I see people posting that it's like, we got to make sure the Republicans lose now because we have to stick it to them because they're breaking so many promises. Well, the system and the people who run the system, the oligarchs, the people behind the pyramid power, they don't care if you vote for either of those parties. It's not going to hurt them any if you just rush back to the other side and let that pendulum swing back to the other way, where all of a sudden people think the populist movement is now going to be within the Democrat Party or something like that, or even thinking that staying faithful to Trump and, and, and the Republican Party, that you're somehow going to get what you, you think you're getting for. I mean, I think we're seeing all over the, the spectrum the amount of promises that have been broken by Trump and his different cabinet appointments. You know, that if, if, if any of them had spine, not that I necessarily believe or, you know, trust Joe Kent either. I mean, I just don't trust any of these people. But if any of them did have a spine, they would be resigning themselves as well. They would have been resigning long ago. For you would see Kennedy resigning when the glyphosate executive order happened. You would see Tulsi resigning for Iran war. All these Sort of things. But the fact that these people stay silent, to me, silence, it really is compliance in this case because some people say, well, they're just trying to navigate, you know, you don't understand politics. This is how they have to play the game. Either because they're trying to think of their political career in the future, which is like, okay, so if they just care about their own political career and not the principles that they told you they were running on in the first place or that they were, what's the point? What is the point? You know, and so I just really hope we don't see the same thing back and forth. Okay, it's the midterms, let's punish the Republicans by voting for the Democrats and we're going to see what they do. And you know, it's just people need to really understand. And again, this, it is something that can be overwhelming. But these oligarchs, these families, these institutions have control of both sides of the system. The technocrats do. Trump is working hand in glove with the technocrats, with the Peter Thiel's and Alex Karps and the David Sacks and the Howard Lutnicks and all these different folks. And there, as I've been reporting, that the last American vagabond for a couple years now, I mean, numerous people in Trump's cabinet are either steering committee members like Peter Thiel and Alex Karp, who many of his people work for or have worked for the past, are members of the Bilderberg Group or attendees of the Bilderberg Group, or members of the Council on Foreign Relations or the World Economic Forum. The groups that you thought you were fighting, those are the same people that are working with Trump in his cabinet and as advisors. And so we just really need to recognize that this isn't, this isn't the answer. So needless to say, for me at cpac, it's been a little frustrating. I'm doing my best to just keep my non biased journalist hat on and not scream and shout at all this stuff, but it is challenging.

[Misty Winston]

Yeah, well, and I think that people like that though, the Brandon, what's his last name? Straka. Strika. Yeah, whatever. I feel like those types of people, they're just so close to getting it, you know what I mean? Like he, and that's why, like we were talking about earlier, it's important to try to remain patient with people because I mean, there was a time, I mean, I never really bought into electoral politics. I have voted before. I blame Dennis Kucinich, really. I'm an Ohio girl. And he was kind of the first person that made me think maybe we can vote some stuff, like. But I, I feel like we all have, like, our own journey. Like, we all have those moments where things start to. We start to realize that things aren't what they seem and that everything that we've ever been told is inaccurate and that all of those things, I think, are very overwhelming for people. And it's. I think it's important to try and you're much better at that than I am. Like, you're very patient with people. I am not. Like, you did a whole ass debate with Naomi Wolf and could barely even sit through it. It was painful. I don't know how you did that. I don't have that in me, Derek. I don't. I have no Zen whatsoever when it comes to that kind of stuff. But, yeah, I just think it's, it's important to try to remain patient with people. And I feel like people like that, they're so close to getting it. Like they really are just so close to getting it. And once you realize that you can't vote your way out of this, I think a lot of things become much more clear. So hopefully, and I think, honestly, I genuinely do, and this is very uncharacteristic of me to be hopeful. I do think that in recent years we have seen an explosion of people who seem to understand that. Is that going to be enough? I don't know. But I do think that there is a noticeable and significant shift in public consciousness. I really do think that more people get it, you know what I'm saying?

[Derek]

So I do agree. And, and I'm with you on like the sort of trying to balance the, the optimism with the cynicism.

[Vince Vaughn]

Right.

[Derek]

I don't have any hopium that like, we're gonna, we're gonna get everything, you know, right in the next couple years. But I do agree that there, I mean, for example, the Epstein files and just there seems to be a lot more resistance to the war on Iran this time. Like I, I tried to.

[Misty Winston]

Yeah.

[Derek]

You know, temper my own. Like, oh my God, I can't believe things are heading this direction with a little bit of optimism without falling into, you know, starry eyed, blind optimism. But I am hopeful. I, I really do think this midterms. And then of course, the next presidential election will be a test of that. Right. Because yeah, it seems like in my experience, everybody's waking up in between the elections because, yes, people all for it. And then they're like, oh my God, we got played again. We're all awake. We're like, screw the system, this and that. But then, and then inevitably it's the most important election of your lifetime again. Everybody goes back and does the same thing again. So that's where my frustration, my challenge comes in is like, I don't want to watch good, well meaning, well intentioned people play this game for the rest of our lives. Because yeah, I mean, I, I voted one time in my life. I was 18 years old, I was fresh out of high school when, you know, we started dropping bomb, the US started dropping bombs on Iraq and I hated Bush. I was in a punk band that was anti Bush. We used to take a life size Bush thing on stage and rip his head off and throw him into the crowd. I hated Bush so much I was like, well, and this is the beginning of my, I guess, political awakening. Well, if Bush isn't going to save us, then obviously the other side, the other team is going to save us. Right? So I went and voted for, for John Kerry, which is apparently his cousin potentially. So that's the one time I voted. And it didn't take me long after that, you know, watching people get enamored by Obama and then him break all his promises and just to realize like, okay, we can't trust these people. So I'm hopeful that this is that moment for more and more people that, because this huge coalition of people from the health freedom people, from the libertarians and the bitcoin people and all these different sectors that yes, for whatever, you know, I, I really tend to not trust any of the election drama we see in front of our eyes. I think most of it is scripted to some degree not to say that everybody, everything, every single moment. But for whatever it's worth, they did pull together a coalition of people who believed that by backing Trump their single issue was going to get supported. The Maha people, libertarians, you know, all the different groups. And for the most part all those groups have been disappointed and have been lied to and promises have been broken. My hope now is that they're going to take that dissatisfaction and then start pursuing a political solutions like what I talk about with eggs and bills or at the least not fall for yet another false promise. And at the next election that's where I'm hoping things are going. So I guess we're going to see, see where things go in the coming months. But I'm going to try to hold on to as much optimism as I can and at the same time just keep trying to remind People that we can't trust these people.

[Misty Winston]

Yeah, it's a daily battle, genuinely. It's a daily battle trying to remain optimistic. And they're really good at manufacturing. I think that that's something that we need to learn to overcome. Like, all of us have a lot of things in common and then we're willing to throw all of those commonalities away because we have a disagreement over something relatively trivial. And that's, that's. We really need to stop doing that. It's really, really, really frustrating. Okay, so I did want to also bring up. You just posted this. You are going to be doing your first leg of the US Activation tour. So here are the dates. I'm sure you're going to have more information as time goes on. Where can people find. Is this on? Pyramid of Power? Is this on? I'm sure it's on all of the things. Right.

[Derek]

So that. Thank you for, for mentioning that. I appreciate that. So my main website is theconsciousresistance.com for people who want to keep up with my, you know, my regular weekly reports. That'll be a good place to check out this. I do have a separate website, but I've got too many websites to just focus on the conscious resistance right now. And so this is. I periodically. This will be my fifth tour that I've done since 2017. I've done three US tours and one tour across Mexico. And the last time I toured was spring of 2021, in the height of the COVID 1984 insanity. And, you know, I don't just go out on the road and travel just to hear myself speak. The whole idea with this is to get out and try to, as the title implies, to get people activated, motivated, inspired. Like, what can we really do, as the description says there? I mean, we're facing. It's not Covid anymore right now, but we're facing, you know, war. We're facing the increase of the technocracy and militarization and surveillance and talk of food prices rising, gas prices rising. I think it's another important time for Americans to be thinking about what are we going to do to take care of ourselves. And again, with everything I just said, I don't believe that politicians are the answer. So I'm going to be doing a full US tour. This is just the first leg we'll be doing that's basically sound Southwest, west coast and Northwest in May, and then in July, I'll be going to the Midwest and East coast and down to Florida and back to Texas. So I hope to meet more people in person. These events are, you know, I give a presentation. There's going to be some, some musical acts at most of, the, most of the stops as well. And just a lot of networking and community. So if you're the kind of person who watches shows like Jimmy's or tunes into this types of content, but you don't really know anybody in your own backyard and you happen to see that I'm coming anywhere near you, I encourage you to come because it's, it's always a great time to get connected. Like I said, I'll have a message to share. I'll have my books and shirts and all that kind of stuff. But most importantly, when I come to cities like this, I want to get people connected and activated in their own backyard. And the other thing is every single stop that we, we come to, besides that, what I just described in the evening, we also have some type of like volunteer, we call it an action day. So sometimes we're doing a few hours at a community garden, sometimes we're doing homeless outreach, sometimes we're doing a park or a beach cleanup. But it's something to sort of contribute and give back to all the communities that I'm visiting. And so yeah, if people want to know more about that, just follow me on Twitter or go to the conscious resistance.com I just announced that yesterday. So in the coming days and weeks I'll be announcing the venues and all those details.

[Misty Winston]

Yeah, and again, I think that this is, I was talking about it earlier with Jimmy Dore shows. Like it's so important, especially right now, I feel like to get in a room or get in a space with other people, like, like, like minded individuals. Because it does. I mean, we're talking about, you know, having a hope and black pill and all of that stuff. It's really easy to lose hope right now. Like there's a lot of really terrible stuff going on and we're bombarded with that information daily. Like again, watching a genocide being live streamed to your little magical device every day is endlessly depressing. So I think it's when we're being bombarded with all that negativity, being able to be in a space with other people who get it and who understand it and who also want to do like, things that can help us get out of it, I think that that's really just a good morale boost. I think we all need it these days. So, yeah, I look forward to you coming to the Midwest. I'm in Ohio, so if you Come to Ohio. Let me know.

[Derek]

You might be coming to Columbus, so I'll let you know that. I'll keep you posted.

[Misty Winston]

I'm 20 minutes outside of Columbus, so that's perfect for me. Okay. Derek, is there anything else that you have going on? Is there. Do you have any other. I mean, if you have anything else going on, a documentary, you're at cpac, you're doing an activation tour. Anything else, Derek?

[Derek]

I appreciate that's pretty much. Pretty much it. Again, everybody, if you want to find the Pyramid of Power, go to the Pyramid of Power dot net. You can find all the episodes and everything I mentioned. The Solutions tab, the book. If you want to check out my memoir, it's a Man of my word dot com. My main website is theconsciousresistance.com and of course, I write weekly articles for The Last American Vagabond.com with Ryan.

[Misty Winston]

Okay, guys, there you go. There's all the things. The conscious resistance, the book, the Twitter, all of the things, the activation tour. Make sure you follow Derek and check out his work and support his work. Share his work. That's another big thing. Especially in the terms of algorithmic. The time of algorithmic suppression. Please share the work. That is very helpful. Welcome to the Jimmy Door Show. I am your guest host for today, Misty Winston. And I'm going to apologize before I start this story because I'm going to subject you to listening to Ben Shapiro. And I know that it annoys me, so I apologize for subjecting you to that today, but it kind of goes in line with what we've been talking about today. So Ben Shapiro, after telling his audience for months that bombing Iran wouldn't lead to a wider war, and then claiming the war was just going to be a quick bombing campaign, is now telling Americans to prepare for a long war. Quote, there is no way to extricate ourselves from the situation right now. End quote. Americans only got got tired of Vietnam after 50,000 troops died. He said, I mean, come on. Quote, our military members are heroes because they're willing to sacrifice their lives for a greater good. A future world where energy will become cheap again because the Strait of Hormuz will be free again. So Ben Shapiro is a lying liar that lies. Nobody is surprised by that. And this is just another example of that. So again, I am going to subject you to Ben Shapiro. So let me grab the first video here. Let me make sure I'm getting the right one. Okay, here we go.

[Ben Shapiro]

If you look, historically, the American people actually have some patience. Our shortest wars were longer than the current conflict. The Persian Gulf War involved 43 days of active operations. The Kosovo NATO air war lasted for 78 days, even deposing Noriega in Panama in the late 80s that lasted for six weeks. And also, Americans are not dumb. We don't believe that if you're involved in military activity, you're not going to lose anybody. Because again, if necessary, military activity can only be pursued at zero cost. There's no use in having a military. Literally, the point of a military is to do hard and dangerous things. That's, that's why our military members are heroes. That's because they're willing to undertake that sacrifice for a greater good. Now, Iran, for its part, seems to be counting on this view of Americans that have been shared by pretty much all of our enemies at one time or another. Other that were weaklings that were incapable of mobilizing for victory. Hitler famously thought that America was decadent and unstable. In one private conversation, according to sort of Hitler's notes, reportedly he said, quote, I don't see much future for the Americans. It's the decayed country. They have the racial problem, the problem of social inequalities. Everything about the behavior of American society reveals that is half Judaized and the other half nigrified. And this is Hitler talking. How can one expect a state like that to hold together them? And during Vietnam, the Viet Cong counted on the idea that Americans would get tired, that Americans would get bored. And after a while, they were right. Americans did get tired. After a while, they were right. Americans did want out. We should know that there were 50,000American dead by that point in Iraq and Afghanistan too. Our enemies thought, okay, they can just outlast the Americans. But here is the point. To outlast Americans typically requires not months, not weeks, years. Reality is that there is no way to extricate ourselves from this situation right now. There is no way to extricate ourselves from this situation by simply running away. That does not leave Iran in control of the Strait of Hormuz, which means 100 to 150 barrels of oil from here to forever. That is a point that was made by Larry Fink over at blackrock. Not a Fink fan, but he's right about this.

[Jimmy Dore]

If there's a cessation of war and

[Misty Winston]

yet Iran remains a threat, a threat

[Derek]

to trade, a threat to the, to

[Misty Winston]

the Straits of Hormuz, then I would argue that we could have years, years of, you know, above $100, closer to $150 oil.

[Vince Vaughn]

What happens to the global economy. If that happens, how do we see it?

[Misty Winston]

We'll have global recession.

[Ben Shapiro]

Okay, again, he's right about this. That's the point, is that it's not as though if things ended today, things would be better a month or two months or four months from now. With Iran still in control of the Strait of Hormuz, there is no way out but through. And here's the thing. Once we get to the end of this, if the Iranian regime falls, energy will become cheap again because the Strait of Hormuz will be free again. Not only that, you'll actually have American energy companies working with a friendly Iranian government to radically increase oil production. And because markets are forward looking, the price of energy will then go down.

[Misty Winston]

I mean, could this guy be more full of it? It's crazy. The, the way the. Oh, okay, hold on. The absolute nonchalance in which they discuss this as I mean, Larry fake. It's going to cause a global recession. No big deal. Because he's isolated from it. It's not going to affect him at all in any way, shape, form or fashion. It's not going to affect Ben Shapiro at all in any shape, form or fashion. It's going to affect the American people. And the, the idea that he's like, oh, 50, 000 dead Americans and then maybe people will get bored. Is he serious right now? Like, I think people are pissed and there's only been, you know, a couple hand was, I don't even. 7, 8, 10Americans I think have maybe died so far and people are already pissed. We are a war weary country. I'm so over it. I'm sure you guys are too. I'm so over it. I'm so tired of this nonsense. I'm so sick of tax dollars, y'. All. They're out here. I'm. We. I have the story later if we have time. They got robots. They have robots that they want to take over for teachers and they can bomb countries all day long and kill a bunch of innocent civilians. And, and like there's a pothole in the road outside my house that has been there for like two and a half years. It still hasn't been fixed yet. Like, it just, it makes me so angry. People don't have health care. People can't afford, like people can't afford their rent. People have to work two or three jobs and can't afford to live. They can't afford groceries. And we're out here talking about. Ben Shapiro is out here talking about how it's no big deal. That there's going to be a global recession. It's, there's no, it's no big deal. It's no big deal, guys. The only way out is through. No, the only way out was to never get in in the first place. That's the only way out. And people are sick of it. And I think people see through this. People see that this is not about anything other than being Israel's. And it's so. And I should have put it in the slideshow, but it, it's so fascinating to me that not that long ago Donald Trump was tweeting about how Marco Rubio was, was the Adison's, he was Israel's. And now look at Trump. Isn't he cute? He is Israel's biggest. Maybe not Ben Shapiro's giving him a run for his money, but it is, it's just crazy to me that we are in this situation yet again that we are starting another unwinnable war. Don't get it twisted. This is not a winnable war. None of them are. But as I'll point out later, it, I mean, I could just play it

[Whitney Webb]

now, I guess, because the goal is

[Vince Vaughn]

not to completely subjugate Afghanistan.

[Misty Winston]

The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the United States, out of the tax bases of European countries through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security. That is the goal, I. E. The goal is to have an endless war,

[Vince Vaughn]

not a successful war.

[Misty Winston]

And that's it. And obviously this, that clips from 2011, he was talking about the war in Afghanistan, but it applies here. It absolutely applies here. The goal is not a winnable war. It's just an endless war. Because this is how they just continue to make rich people richer, deplete resources, the population. I mean, it's just. I'm really just done with all of this and I'm tired of Ben Shapiro and others like him just straight up blind. Here's the next clip. He's got more to add to it. I guess I should. So in this one. Oh, I think I went too far. Shapiro goes on to advocate once again for the U. S to invade Karg island and dismisses the threat of American forces suffering, quote, a large number number of casualties as overblown. Of course he does. Of course he does. So here he is.

[Ben Shapiro]

According to cnn, quote, Iran has been laying traps and moving additional military personnel and air defenses to Kharg island in recent weeks in preparation for a possible US Operation to take control of the island. According to multiple people familiar with U.S. intelligence reporting on the issue. But U.S. officials and military experts say there would be significant risks involved in a ground operation including a large number of U. S Casualties. The island has layered defenses. The Iranians have moved additional shoulder fired surface to air guided missile systems known as man pads there as well as anti personnel and anti armor mines around the island and on the shoreline where troops would make an amphibious landing. Now again, again I would assume that our military planners have thought of this. We are constantly hearing about the magical defense capabilities of the Iranians and so far the magical defense capabilities of the Iranians appear to be putting their bodies in the way of American bombs. It's not working. Amazing.

[Misty Winston]

He's just so blase about it. But listen, sending troops onto the island and I think Jimmy just talked about this on Wednesday show maybe that you're just, they're going to be sitting ducks like even if you happen. And I think people are underestimating Iran and I don't know why but they are not going to just lay down and take this. They are not just gonna, I mean they're not currently just laying down and taking it. So this is not going to be something where oh, you're just going to send in a couple hundred marines to take over an island and then they're going to roll over. That's not going to be what happens here and it's not going to be just Iran. And this is opening up so much possibility for regional conflict. And I mean just this could get really bad for a lot of people. And that's what it bothers me that they're so, just completely nonchalant about the risks and that he's calling it overblown that they're, I mean, just give me a break. It is disgusting to me because again he's, he's insulated from this. This is never going to impact Ben Shapiro's life in any way. It's not going to. Larry Fink is going to be completely unbothered. It's going to be our sons and daughters, our neighbors, the kids in our neighborhood who are going to go off to fight in this unwinnable war and die for no reason for Israel. And it, none of these people are going to be impacted. But they're just so, it's, they're completely fine with sending our sons and daughters off to die. They're fine with that. You are cattle to them. And it just, just been made abundantly clear time and time again. Covid was huge for that. I think people, a lot of people woke up to the fact that they do not care. They will use you, they will experiment on you. They. They don't care. And so I think a lot of people are seeing it, but it. The idea that he's just out here being so brazen in his. I mean, it. It just blows my mind. Here's the. And I promise, this is the last clip of Ben Shapiro. So in this one, Chris says that he praises Trump for launching the Iran war against the will of the American people. People. Of course he does. Of course he does. So let's hear this gem of it.

[Ben Shapiro]

I was talking to young voters yesterday, and she said, trump is doing this for you, which is totally true, by the way. This is an act of political courage. I know. Sometimes it happens. It's so funny. We're having this conversation on Friendly Fire the other day with Michael Knowles and Andrew Clavin and Chris Rufo. We were talking about the political fallout, theoretically, from what's going on in Iran. It could. It could hurt Trump politically. And I said, like, guys, maybe Trump is doing a thing because he thinks it's the right thing to do, and that is a good thing. You elect leaders to do the right thing, even when the public isn't necessarily in favor of it.

[Misty Winston]

Does anybody think that Trump is doing the right thing because he knows it's the right thing to do? Of course not. That is absurd on every level. I don't think Donald Trump has ever done the right thing because it's the right thing. Donald Trump does what is beneficial to Donald Trump. Trump always has, always will. It's crazy to think otherwise. This is not an act. Starting an unwinnable war is an act of political courage, guys. No, it's absolutely not. It's ridiculous. Especially to do it on behalf of another country. And again, selling it to the American people under lies and false pretenses. Just the American way. This is the way. This is how. This is how we do things. And it just. And this is. Remember the story we covered earlier where the army extended its maximum recruitment age to 42. Guess how old Ben Shapiro is. He is 42. I guarantee you. He. Oh, I just realized he shares a birthday with my husband. Not years wise, but he should sign up. He should go enlist in the military. He's not going to. His kids are not going to enlist in the military at any point in their life. Like, it's. None of these people care. It's not their sons and daughters. It's not them putting their lives on the line. They're fine with sending you to Die for Israel. And it just, I mean, it's. He. All of this just disgusts me. I cannot, I just, it. I've gotten to the point where I just can't even listen to them anymore. Like, the sound of his voice makes me angry. The sound of Donald Trump's voice makes me angry. I Pete had Seth, all of them. And as somebody in the super chat pointed out, except this is the one who was talking about how the military needs to have higher standards and now we're, you know, adjusting age ranges and criminal convictions and all of that stuff. They have no actual principles, they have no morals, they have no values. They are political opportunists and they do not get their psychopaths. We are ruled by pedophilic psychopaths. And I don't know how we change that, friends. I really don't. Somebody asked earlier today on Twitter, like, what's the non violent way to dismantle the state? I mean, I would love to know the answer to that question because they certainly don't represent us and we are now in another unwinnable war. We're going to be sending off American soldiers to die for Israel. And I don't know how to stop it. I mean, it seems like nothing that we do impacts them in any way. They do not care if we protest. I mean, if you guys want to go join a no Kings protest, there's more happening this weekend. It's gonna do fog all to do anything, but you can go out there if you want. I guess it, it's just, it's really depressing where we're at right now. And I don't know how to fight back against these insane people. So this is some of the stuff that Ben Shapiro has said about the war previously, because this is a. What he's saying right now, what he just said in those clips is a departure from what he has said previously. So this is just some of the stuff. By the way, I love the eyes at the top of this. It's a little creepy, but if you've been following coverage of the Trump administration's military action against Iran, you've probably noticed something. A lot of people are determined to convince you that the United States is losing. I don't think that that's really a question. I mean, I don't think that that's a question in any way. There is no way that we can win this.

[Vince Vaughn]

This.

[Misty Winston]

There just isn't. But Ben says that they're wrong. Even worse, many of them know they're wrong. Critics across the political spectrum from Democrats to elements of the so called horseshoe right are pushing narratives that paint the conflict as a disaster in the making. It's already a disaster. Not in the making. It's a disaster. The first claim is that the United States has stumbled into another interminable Middle east war, one destined to drag on for years and possibly escalate to catastrophic levels. This is absurd. At the time of this writing, the conflict is less than two weeks old, 12 days. That's not 12 years as in Vietnam, or even 12 months as in the Spanish American War. So he's just minimizing here. Wars unfold over time and no one will, no one should pretend to know exactly how long any conflict will last. But the notion that the United States is already trapped in a generational quagmire after less than two weeks of fighting is less analysis than panic. This isn't. But what he's failing to understand here is that this is not, not just two weeks. This is something that has genuinely been going on for decades. And it's really just kind of been like a push and pull back and forth in terms of severity and how bad it's gotten. But this has been going on for a very long time and it's certainly escalated now to a point that we certainly haven't seen it at this level for a while. But pretending as if this is two weeks is demonstrably false. That's what that is. A second claim insists that Iran is holding strong, that the regime is weathering the assault and even gaining the upper hand. I would say that that's fair. Again, reality tells a different story. Iran's military capabilities have been battered. Its missile and drone infrastructure has been heavily targeted. Its naval assets have reportedly suffered severe losses. Leadership turmoil inside the regime only compounds the problem. And here's my question about this, because how does he know?

[Whitney Webb]

Know?

[Misty Winston]

Because we were told that Iran's nuclear capability was what did. What was the word? Was it obliterated? I think it was obliterated. I may be wrong. That may be the wrong word that he used, but it was something equally dramatic. Iran's nuclear capability was obliterated. That's what he said, right? That's what he said. And then it changes. And then suddenly. No, they, they still. We have to go. It's all lies. It's all. We're not getting the full story. None of us know the actual story of what's genuinely going on. And so Ben pretending, and obviously he probably has contacts within government and all of that stuff, but I don't believe a word any of them say at this point, none of us should. So there is the idea that we should just believe that their military capabilities have been battered and missile and drone infrastructure has been heavily targeted. That may very well be true, but we don't know. And the idea that they are, that they're losing, I think is, is questionable at best. So reports suggest that the death of Long Team Long, long time Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has triggered a chaotic succession struggle. Succession struggle. I can't talk, y'. All. Even as his presume, even his presumed heir, I don't know how to say that I'm not even gonna try. Khomeini appears to lack both political support and personal legitimacy within the system. In other words, the Iranian regime is not projecting structure strength. It's scrambling to maintain control. I don't see that the final warning is economic. Iran critics say we'll simply shut down the Strait of Hormuz, sending global oil prices skyrocketing and bringing the American economy to its knees. For a brief moment earlier this week, markets reacted to that fear. Oil prices jump sharply amid speculation that the straight could be disrupted. But the panic faded almost as quickly as it began. Within days, crude prices have fallen back below 90 a barrel. I just paid over $4 in small town Ohio a gallon to fill up my tank yesterday. So we're not seeing that at the pump yet. And it's only going to continue to get worse. Markets unlike pundits response reality. And the reality is that Iran faces enormous consequences if it attempts to choke off one of the world's most vital shipping lanes. President Donald Trump has made that point unmistakably clear. In a statement posted online, he warned that any Iranian attempt to block the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz would trigger an overwhelming American response.

[Vince Vaughn]

Response.

[Misty Winston]

But again, how does that help anything? And all it does is ensure that there's going to be further conflict. And that's. That doesn't help any of us. It helps no one. It helps Israel. That's the only benefactor here. The message was aimed not only at Tehran, but also at Beijing and other major energy consumers. The United States intends to keep global energy flowing and anyone who interferes will pay a heavy price. I don't, I don't think people are scared of us. Ben Shapiro has made Multiple statements on x.com so this is, this is his previous positions when he needed a different narrative. So Ben Shapiro has made multiple statements on X.com and in syndicated columns asserting that the Iran war would be brief In a discussion with Joe Rogan, reference in search results from March 11, 2026. So just 15 days ago, ago, 16 days ago, Shapiro explicitly stated, quote, we are less than two weeks into the war and it's not going to last probably more than another two weeks. That's vastly different from what he just said in that video. We got 50, 000 dead guys. Don't be. You can't get bored yet. The idea that he used the term bored is crazy. He further argued against the idea of endless war, telling Rogan, quote, they're not because wars have a beginning and they have an end. And, okay, that's the point. And I guess you could argue that certain segments of this, this is really just one continuous war. All they do is shift the target so that they can justify continuing it. They just move. It's Syria and it's Iraq and it's Iran and it's. They just move the targets around. Sometimes it's Somalia, but the. We are just constantly at war war. And that's the point. And I think that he's just being obtuse there. Earlier in the conflict, on February 12, 2026, Shapiro claimed on X.com that the US could, quote, knock out Iranians on our moves in three minutes flat, implying a very short duration for the initial strike phase. Additionally, in a column published March 12, 2026, so again, 13 days ago, he dismissed the claim that the US was entering a quagmire, noting that the, quote, the conflict is less than 2 weeks old. That's not 12 years as in Vietnam, or even 12 months. 12 days is too long. 12 hours is too long. Like, we shouldn't be there. This shouldn't. We shouldn't be there. However, by March 27, 2026, Shapiro's stance appeared to shift as the war continued. He was criticized for, quote, shifting goal posts, something he is very good at, after previously assuring his audience that bombing a bombing campaign would not lead to a longer ground war. On that day, he told Americans to, quote, buckle up for the long run, a change from his earlier predictions of a swift conclusion. So it's always pay attention to the people who do this because it's very. I mean, nobody is surprised that Ben Shapiro is a paid propagandist and he is a narrative manager, and his entire job is to lie to people, to push an agenda. Everybody knows that he's very good at it, to his credit, but this is, it's very obvious. It's to point them out, to, like, be able to find these people within two Weeks. The student is completely shifting his opinion on something as serious as this. And I'm fine. Like, if people take in new information, evaluate things, change their minds, all of that good stuff. Like, I think that that's a great thing. And I think that very often when people change their positions on issues, we're too, like, harsh on them when people come around to certain things. And I'm guilty of that too, by the way. Like, I'm very like people who still buy into Bernie Sanders. I have a very hard time remaining patient with those types of people, people who still think Barack Obama is a good guy. I have a very hard time remaining patient with those types of people. But when people come around on issues, it's very hard, I think, for us to not like, and I do this. Do the I told you so thing, or I can't believe you didn't see this. And I definitely do that. And I shouldn't. We should be welcoming of people wanting to change their minds. But that's not what this is. This is Ben Shapiro being a narrative manager. This is Ben Shapiro shifting his opinion. His opinion just really just shifting the rhetorics to. To serve an agenda. He gets. He probably gets told what to say or how to say it or how to approach it, and that's what he does. And to change your opinion on something so dramatically over the course of, like, 12 to 14 days is wild, Especially something as significant as this, especially given that he does brag about having government sources. So you shouldn't. This. None of this should be new information to you. But I think everybody who knows anything about. About what's going on there knows that this is unwinnable. And for them to be so dismissive of lives lost and to pretend as if it's just like they're dying for the greater good is wild to me.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey, this is Jimmy. Who's this?

[Vince Vaughn]

What's up, Timmy, baby? It's Vince Vaughn here.

[Jimmy Dore]

Ah, friend of the show. Vince Vaughn. What's going on, Vince?

[Vince Vaughn]

I'll tell you what's going on. Nothing. I'm here at LAX and I've been in line for four hours, so I'm calling everyone on my phone now. It's your turn, Kimo Sabi.

[Whitney Webb]

What, you.

[Jimmy Dore]

You're just calling people? Why don't you just scroll on your phone like everyone else?

[Vince Vaughn]

Because I don't have a smartphone, Jimmy jams. I purposely only have a flip phone for that very reason so I don't become a mindless zombie like everyone else in this line that I'm looking at right now.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, I see.

[Vince Vaughn]

Ah, yes, you do see that when I need to kill time on my phone, I have to call people the old fashioned way. So instead of being a doom scrolling, hunched over troglodyte, I'm the extremely tall, extremely loud man on his phone in a long line right now.

[Jimmy Dore]

Everyone hates that guy though.

[Vince Vaughn]

Tell me about it. This little worm right here has been giving me the stink eye since I dialed. Hey, buddy. Jimmy. It's been 30 seconds, right? Go fuck yourself. Make your own call if you don't like it. I'll still be louder. Ha.

[Jimmy Dore]

So the airport is a mess, Jimmy.

[Vince Vaughn]

It's insane. These lines are unbelievable. Half of LA county is waiting to get through security. Hey, there's James Marsden, Marzipan Tritz Vaughn. Hey, I love your commercials, man. That's good work.

[Jimmy Dore]

Is ICE helping at all?

[Vince Vaughn]

ICE isn't doing shit. That much I can report with assurance. You're standing around just being obese. Honestly, making us all feel feel better about what we look like. Assisting security in absolutely no way whatsoever. Oh, hey, I think that's Terry Garr's daughter.

[Jimmy Dore]

Can you tell what what they're supposed to be doing? In theory,

[Vince Vaughn]

Jimmy, I'm afraid that's impossible to discern. I can't even tell what tasks they are not doing. I'm sorry, my reporting here is incomplete, but I just don't have the information. I just don't have the information. I don't have it. I wish you were different, but I simply do not have that information.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's okay. Don't worry about it.

[Vince Vaughn]

Okay. Hey, there's Jason Bateman. Jason, it's Vince. Hey. Remember Dodgeball? We were in Dodgeball together.

[Jimmy Dore]

So, Vince, you stirred the pot recently over the Theo Vaughn podcast.

[Vince Vaughn]

Yeah, and people are all up in my ass because of what I said on there. Which is insane since I say way crazier shit on your show.

[Jimmy Dore]

I know. What did you say, though?

[Vince Vaughn]

I said that the late night talk show format is dying because all those fucking shows are the same by design. And instead of making jokes about whoever is in office, they decided that being part of the resistance is more important than being entertaining.

[Jimmy Dore]

Right?

[Vince Vaughn]

With the exception of Jimmy Fallon, to be fair, because his viewers are literally so stupid that they don't know who the President is at any given time.

[Jimmy Dore]

And this is what got people all riled up.

[Vince Vaughn]

Yeah, I'm getting fucking roasted online, baby. People are coming after me like Frankenstein's monster because I said something objectively true.

[Jimmy Dore]

I mean, it's certainly objectively true. That all their ratings are falling. I mean, I think your explanation is the correct one.

[Vince Vaughn]

Thank you. I knew you'd be on my side. Jimmy Dore.

[Jimmy Dore]

Always.

[Vince Vaughn]

Double V. Stephen Colbert announced that is a post late night show. Gay will be writing his own screenplay for a continuation of J.R.R. tolkien's Lord of the Rings movies. You know, like a comedian.

[Jimmy Dore]

Wait, what?

[Vince Vaughn]

You know, just like Ernie Kovacs when he retired and dedicated the rest of his life to writing Jules verne fan fiction. 20,000 more Leagues under the Sea. Waka waka waka.

[Jimmy Dore]

You should host a late night talk show, Vince. Really?

[Vince Vaughn]

No way, Jimmy. Absolutely. Forget it.

[Jimmy Dore]

Why not?

[Vince Vaughn]

I don't care about anybody or what they have to say. And I can't fake it either. My guests would have to be my friends and we'd smoke and drink on air. Basically the tonight show circa 1972.

[Jimmy Dore]

I would watch the shit out of that.

[Vince Vaughn]

Every fucking man in America would. Instead we have to be lectured about toxic masculinity by men who cry on television. A fucking travesty. But there's always you and your show, baby.

[Jimmy Dore]

Thanks, Vids.

[Vince Vaughn]

Speaking of travesties, we have just moved literally three feet the whole time I've been talking. And these two ice guys standing over by the wall over there, I swear to God, they've somehow gotten fatter in the past hour. I'm not making that up. They have gained weight, Jimmy. I think they had like the final bear claws that tipped them over the edge and are approaching their final form. Oh, they can hear me. They're coming over. I gotta go. Stay sleazy, baby.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey. Become a premium member. Go to jimmy door comedy.com sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business.

[Misty Winston]

Don't freak out.

[Vince Vaughn]

Don't freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be and I'll keep being me.

[Vince Vaughn]

Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't.

[Misty Winston]

Don't freak out. Don't freak out.

[Vince Vaughn]

Don't freak out. Don't freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Do not freak out.

[Misty Winston]

I'm not kidding.

[Jimmy Dore]

Do not. Do not.

[Vince Vaughn]

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not

[Misty Winston]

freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Do not freak out.