Behind the Scenes of 19 Kids and Counting | Jim Goodwin Reacts

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Podcast Summary: "Behind the Scenes of 19 Kids and Counting | Jim Goodwin Reacts"

The Jinger & Jeremy Podcast
Date: November 26, 2025
Hosts: Jinger Vuolo & Jeremy Vuolo
Guest: Jim Goodwin ("Uncle Jim," sound man from 19 Kids and Counting)

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Main Theme:

This special episode delves into behind-the-scenes experiences from 19 Kids and Counting and Counting On with Jim Goodwin, the beloved crew member affectionately known as “Uncle Jim.” Jinger and Jeremy react to memorable clips, share personal anecdotes, and explore what it was like growing up on reality TV — both for the Duggar family and the crew who became like extended family themselves. Throughout, they touch on themes of family bonds, the blurred lines between production and personal life, the responsibilities of ethical storytelling in reality TV, and the impact the show had on everyone involved.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Role and Experience of the Crew on a Family Reality Show

• Jim’s Background: Before 19 Kids and Counting, Jim worked on various films and reality shows (03:55). He emphasizes that none rose to the fame of the Duggar shows, although he did also work on Jon and Kate Plus 8 (04:20).
• Integrated, Not Separate: The crew was seen as part of the family, earning nicknames like “Uncle Jim.” The Duggars often relied on them for more than filming—be it help with errands or emotional support (16:54, 29:02).
  • “It's not that we're separate, you know, we're… integrated. We're in the family. You know, something needs done, we do it.” – Jim Goodwin (29:36)
• Emotional Ties: Crew members were present for milestones and challenges, giving them a unique, emotionally rich vantage point compared to other TV sets or scripted shows (34:43).
  • “There was a personal connection with all the individuals in your family. So there was a consequent emotional connection.” – Jim Goodwin (35:00)
• A “Home Video” Perspective: Many Duggars, especially the younger kids, saw the cameras as just a part of life, not a corporate production. They didn’t grasp the reach — or purpose — of the crew’s work (19:11).
  • Story: Jackson, as a child, was confused when strangers knew his name from the show (19:21).

2. Unique Production Challenges and Stories

• Kids Interacting with Equipment:
  • Children often treated booms and sound gear as toys (21:02). Babies would stare or even slobber on microphones, while little ones would tug at Jim for help with small problems (19:41, 24:22).
  • “If the boom is close, they'll grab it and just stick their mouth on and go, bah, bah, bah. And you know, it's kind of a little damp when you pull it back and you just shake it off, let it dry.” – Jim Goodwin (24:35)
• Sound Delays and Crew Humor:
  • Inside jokes were memorialized in crew posters (10:27).
  • “There was one that said, another costly sound delay. And it was you standing there, your pose…” – Jinger (09:18)
• Sickness and Immunity:
  • Crew was exposed to whatever illnesses the Duggars had—like during the infamous chickenpox outbreak. They traded home remedies and rarely, if ever, got really sick (25:01, 27:26).

3. Trust, Surprises, and TV “Secrets”

• Crew Holding Family Secrets:
  • The crew often knew about pregnancies or relationship milestones before the rest of the family, and the kids would try to bribe them into revealing secrets (“I'll give you my monkey!”) (28:16).
  • “I've got a secret too and I'm not gonna tell you.” – Jim Goodwin (29:02)
• Staging surprises was nearly impossible:
  • Because the family understood what it meant when the cameras showed up, surprises were hard to keep. “If the crew is here, something’s up!” (30:19, 31:24).
  • Jeremy’s proposal to Jinger was almost ruined by the presence of the film crew and the “telltale X on the ground” (31:43).
• Media Training Habits: Even as adults, Duggar siblings still reflexively answer questions in full when interviewed—a TV habit drilled into them as children (15:13).

4. Filming Times of Crisis and Joy

• Handling Emergencies:
  • When big events—like Jason's serious fall—occurred, crew instincts were to help but also document, leaving medical care to the family's trained members (44:36 ff).
    • “If they're hurt, render aid, you know? … John, David, Jill are first aid responders. … We just stay out of the way. … But right now what we can do to help is stay out of the way and not interfere.” – Jim Goodwin (45:53)
  • Delicate balance between capturing reality and respecting privacy (47:25).
    • “Sometimes … but the default response is shoot. … You can always get rid of it. … Like you said, delete it.” – Jim Goodwin (47:39)
• Filming Emotional Moments:
  • Crew wrestled with their own emotions when capturing funerals, weddings, or other poignant family milestones (35:17, 47:56).
  • The show’s cancellation meant both financial hardship and a loss akin to “family separation.” Crew and family both felt the void (36:01).
• Privilege and Responsibility:
  • Jim feels honored to be trusted with presenting the family’s story, aware of the global reach and the ethical weight of showing events truthfully (50:58).
    • “As producers ... we have a responsibility in my mind, to maintain accuracy. ... Don't spin it. ... Be accurate. ... Don't use that to get a message across that's not necessarily one that the ... participants are trying actually feeling.” – Jim Goodwin (51:00 ff)
  • Jeremy likens it to journalism: “You were journaling these people’s lives for the world to watch.” (52:14)

5. Lighthearted Moments and Fond Memories

• Trying to Name All 19 Kids (and Failing):
  • Throughout the episode, Jim is challenged to list all the Duggar children in order, a common (and comedic) request of anyone associated with the show (40:03–43:53).
    • “If you just throw out a J name, you're going to hit one of them, probably.” – Jeremy (43:04)
• The Reunion After Cancellation:
  • When the show briefly ended and later resumed, the family and crew felt a joyful reunion, emphasizing the strength of their bond (36:36, 38:45).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Crew’s Role:
  “As a sound guy, you are mostly ignored until something goes wrong. Then you get all the attention.”
  — Jim Goodwin, 07:39

• On Production Ethics:
  “As producers … we have a responsibility in my mind, to maintain accuracy. This is what really happened. Don’t spin it. Don’t add your own agenda. Be accurate.”
  — Jim Goodwin, 50:58

• On Blending Work and Family:
  “We were not, like, separate. We were integrated. … It made it a lot more fun to do our job, a lot more worthwhile.”
  — Jim Goodwin, 17:08

• On Living Reality TV:
  “When you sign up for reality TV, you’re signing up for all of the reality.”
  — Jeremy Vuolo, 48:21

• On Letting Go:
  “The hardest thing for me was … we’re not gonna have the crew here. It’s all we had known, you know, from the age of like nine.”
  — Jinger Vuolo, 36:48

• Sharing the Privilege:
  “It was to a large extent a privilege, and I was honored to be able to do it, mostly because of the family involved.”
  — Jim Goodwin, 52:46

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Key Timestamps

• 03:07 – Jim (“Uncle Jim”) reintroduced; crew’s fixation in the show
• 04:20 – Jim confirms working on Jon and Kate Plus 8
• 06:11 – Challenges of live audio, music copyright stories
• 07:39 – The “ignored until something goes wrong” sound tech experience
• 09:18–10:27 – Crew humor: the “another costly sound delay” poster
• 15:13 – The ingrained habit of answering interview questions in full
• 16:54, 29:02 – Crew as “family”; helping with errands, sharing emotional moments
• 19:11 – Kids’ perception of cameras as “home videos,” not TV
• 21:02, 24:22 – Kids treating boom poles and sound equipment as toys
• 25:01, 27:26 – Chickenpox outbreak and immunity cultures among crew
• 30:19, 31:24, 31:43 – Filming surprises and staging challenges
• 34:43–35:17 – The emotional weight of long-term reality TV production
• 36:01 – First reaction to show’s cancellation
• 40:03–43:53 – The game: Name all the Duggar kids
• 44:36–47:56 – Filming through scary or tragic moments (Jason’s accident, funerals)
• 50:58–52:14 – The ethics and global impact of the show
• 52:46–54:32 – Closing emotions; gratitude; “That’s a wrap!”

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Overall Tone

Friendly, warm, humorous, and nostalgic—with a genuine sense of gratitude and respect among the hosts, guest, and their shared memories. The conversation weaves easily between technical anecdotes, family stories, and deep reflections on the meaning and consequences of sharing real life on a global platform.

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For listeners new or old, this episode offers heartfelt behind-the-scenes insight into a major reality TV phenomenon—and the ordinary, extraordinary people who lived, filmed, and grew together on both sides of the lens.

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There he is, Jim Goodwin's sound man.

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Coming up next on 19 Kids and Counting. Sound with a lot of little children can be a challenge.

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Jenny, everybody come in here real quick. The chicken pox kids.

[A]

I did not remember you guys were there for that whole thing.

[B]

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And I should know that you were there. You guys were there all the time during that season.

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[A]

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But today we've got a special react episode and something we've never done before, we've got a react episode with someone else who is part of the episode.

[A]

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[B]

Jim the sound man.

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Sound guy.

[C]

Thank you very much.

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And our dear friend who is like family.

[B]

Welcome back.

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Yes, he's back.

[C]

Pleasure to be here.

[A]

We're so glad to have you back on the pod. I think last time was so much fun. So we had to go for round two, and this one is going to be a good one because we're going to pull up a lot of clips of Uncle Jim. I just have to call him Uncle Jim, because that's what I call him. Uncle Jim's back here. And so we're going to pull up all the clips of when he was featured. Not all of them, but a lot of the highlights of when he was featured on the show because he became a character very fast on the show that you guys loved.

[B]

Yeah. He would have been on 19 kids and counting as well as counting on I mentioned last time. I don't know if in the last podcast episode we ever got to it. Some of the other shows you did, do you. Do you remember the names? Would you work on a lot of movies or reality shows?

[C]

I did a few movies. I did multiple reality shows. Very few of which reached the fame that the Duggar show did. Some lasted one or two seasons. Couple lasted longer than that.

[B]

But I know some of the other crew were on Kate and Eight.

[C]

Yeah, John and Kate plus eight.

[B]

Plus eight. Did you ever do that?

[C]

Yes, I did.

[B]

Okay. With the Goslings.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Wow. Okay, so today we want to do some react episodes. Jim and I just got to ask you before we do, do you ever go back and watch the show?

[C]

I do not. I rarely revisit things. I've, you know, things I've worked on in the past. I. I could say I concentrate on the future, but I'm retired. Mostly I concentrate on sitting on a couch.

[B]

So do you. Did you, when you were filming the show, would you guys watch when the episodes would drop?

[C]

Yes, we would watch them. Well, I would want to see how they edited it together because, you know, I was there. We were there, deeply involved in the whole shooting process. And I'd like to see how they cut it together. And not that we would make unkind comments about the editing process, because they were very good. They really were. They could cut together a really good show out of all the pieces we gave them. But sometimes we might have a tiny bit of perhaps constructive criticism.

[A]

Yeah, I'd imagine, because it's like. It's interesting, I think, like, whether you're behind the camera or you're on sound, you know, you're. You're definitely documenting. And it's also like. I don't know if it's like a form of art, but you're capturing sound how you want it. The audio. You know, when Scott was behind the camera or if he's producing, he. You have a certain thing in mind of, like, how this is going to be. And so that would be fascinating because you just hand it off. You have no say in how things are going to be cut together, how it's actually going to sound in the end. Or if you're like, why are you putting music over that? Actually put more music on that? There's an audio issue.

[C]

Yeah. Sometimes we would be somewhere and we would record music, live music. And I thought, wow, I did a really good job. But they wouldn't use the music because of copyright issues.

[A]

Like, Happy birthday.

[C]

And I would get peeved. But, yeah.

[B]

Oh, okay. I've got a question about that. Do you remember the first time I came on the show at Jess's baby shower?

[C]

I believe so, at the barn, and.

[B]

I kept whistling while I was setting everything up. Was it you who had to keep shutting that down, telling, hey, you had send Joy in a, hey, Joy, go tell that guy to stop whistling.

[C]

I would perhaps tell you, yes, she was probably fairly polite when she said, knock it off.

[A]

As Joy does.

[B]

No, that's so funny. So as a preacher, someone, like, I will have these nightmares occasionally of, like, you know, having being called up to preach, and I don't have my notes or I didn't study. And then you wake up going, you know, did you ever panic? Like, on a big shoot? You know, you've got to have. You've got to have all of this tech ready. You've got to have all the SD cards wiped.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Everything charged. Were there ever moments in real life or where you'd have, like, a panic, you know, a nightmare of it's not charged, or I left those at the house. I didn't bring my SD cards, anything like that?

[C]

As a sound guy, you are mostly ignored until something goes wrong. Then you get all the Attention.

[B]

You're like a referee.

[A]

If you get attention, you don't get attention.

[C]

That's not good. There have been instances on some shoots where I have avoided. Let's call it a calamity by not. Well, maybe microseconds, you know, I remember one shoot for NBC. We were interviewing George McGovern, and we're getting ready to hit air, and he was in. He was on the Outer Banks on vacation. And all the network people, you know, the news was, hi there. And the producer says, everything good? We're getting ready to go. And Mr. McGovern says, I can't hear. They're talking. If they're talking to me, I can't hear, you know, and that's my fault. And I'm going, uh. Oh. And I fortunately remembered when setting up, I had noticed there was one cable that might have been a little loose.

[B]

Oh, no.

[C]

And so I grabbed it and jammed it back together, you know, and with about 30 seconds to air. Oh, my goodness, Everything was fine. Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

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And nobody ever knew.

[A]

So that's so stressful.

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[C]

It was very stressful.

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Ever knew. So. Wow. That's a good thing.

[A]

I loved in the shop. So we did interviews in the shop that was in front. It kind of sat, like, in front of our family's house. It was a warehouse. And for years, it was kind of just like, blank warehouse. And it literally just had, like, metal walls, concrete floors. And at some point when the show was going, it ended up being transformed into a studio space. And so you guys would just have equipment. You just set it up up in the shop, and we would just file through. We'd run through the valley from our house up the hill and do our interviews there. And I remember on the wall there were these posters, and the crew, I guess, one of the crew members. How did these posters get up on the wall? I'm not sure. I gotta ask you about that. But there was one that said, another costly sound delay. And it was you standing there, your pose, like, I think Scott may have taken these pictures. Scott was the producer, and he was the videographer as well on the shoot back in the day. But how did those. How did those posters come to be on the wall? We want to take a break from this episode to tell you about Poncho.

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Well, sometimes I would sometimes perhaps call a halt to things because sound was not satisfactory.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, and that if you're going along and sound is not good, it's too late once you get to post. If it's not good. It's not good. You can't go back and fix it. You have to have it right from the get go. So I would perhaps say let's pause just for a moment.

[A]

Just for a moment.

[C]

Fix everything and, you know, let me fix the mic so we don't have the rubbing or let me do something and adjust this or that.

[A]

Add a windscreen if we're outside.

[C]

Yes, the wind is howling, so let's fix that. And so that was a smart aleck response to another costly sound delay.

[A]

I like that. I can't remember the other ones, but I think there was like One of the PAs that said, what would you like in your coffee? There was another one. I can't remember what Scott said, but there are all these posters. I have to just get the picture of it. Maybe it's on the thumb drive. I'm not sure, but we'll try to pull up those pictures. It was really awesome because we had the studio set up and we would sit in there. I mean, we would sit in there. You would sit in there for hours. We would sit in there for hours sometimes too. But how was that? Did you like better being out on the field, like where we were actually doing things fun, or were interviews entertaining for you guys?

[C]

Sometimes the entertainers, I mean, the interviews, they were good because our producers that we had, they usually did their homework. They had the interview questions lined up, ready to go and you guys were good. You know, over my career, I interviewed numerous people that were clueless and, you know, and I'm thinking, okay, we're going to flounder through this. They're never going to get what they want. We're doomed. But that was not the case with you, your family. You knew to respond to the question. I mean, how many times were you told, you know, when you answer the question, incorporate the question. You know, don't just say, if I say, how old are you? Don't just say seven. Say, well, I'm seven years old. You know. Yes, yes, that was repeated ad nauseam. And you guys got that. So that was good.

[A]

We still do that. That's the problem. So I will be answering a question. Even some of my siblings were just here. They all answer the question anytime they're asked a question. So it's. Yeah, it's literally like, oh, what did you have for breakfast? Oh, I had this for breakfast today. And it's like, we can't stop doing it. It's so sad. It's like part of, like, how we operate now. It's like Wired into our brain. Thanks, Scott. That was good.

[B]

So at the height of the show, 19 kids and counting, there was an episode. They called it behind the scenes, and they actually interviewed a ton of the film crew. And that's what I want us to start with today, is reacting to some of that because people knew you, but then they kind of highlighted you in that episode.

[C]

Just like one of them to them, you know? And mark it.

[B]

There he is, Jim Goodwin's soundman.

[C]

Well, I've been with the show for several years, and I performed. Put microphones on people, use the boom, Listen to people, and chase them around as they go through life. Are you hearing something? Is it sound good? Is the level good? This is probably the best job I've ever had for several reasons. One, the family is truly a delight to work with. So this guy follows you around everywhere you go.

[B]

Who is that?

[C]

The children are very open with us. This. Open it up.

[A]

It's just a box of candy.

[C]

You know, a number of them, I've been around all their lives, literally, and I see them almost on a weekly basis, and I'm there. It's just a given that I will be there. Coming up next on 19 Kids and Counting.

[A]

It's just fun, like, getting to know them. It's like, we call them Uncle Jim, Uncle Scott, you know, cousins, whatever. So, yeah, it's a lot of fun. That's awesome. Does that bring back memories?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

It was the good old days.

[C]

I mean, we were not, like, separate. We were integrated. And that made it easier for us to do our job, but it made it a lot more fun to do our job, a lot more worthwhile to do our job.

[A]

I love it. Oh, man.

[B]

Were there any kids that stood out? Like, you saw Joy pranking you there? Did some kids interact with you more often than not? And then would you have to remind them, like, hey, I'm not here.

[C]

A lot of times they'd, you know, do something and just ask me questions like, how do I do this? Or, have you seen my pencil? You know, I'm not here.

[A]

Can you tie my shoe? You're like, I have my hands full.

[C]

I'm kind of. I'm working now.

[B]

Did the kids understand that?

[C]

Well, the younger kids, since they kind of grew up with us and we were a constant presence, sometimes they didn't understand that we were kind of separate. You know, we were shooting them. We weren't shooting ourselves. You know, we were documenting them and maintaining a separate presence.

[A]

But, I mean, you're there, and, like, for Jackson, he. He probably Was you guys were the first person he saw when he was born. Yeah. So he's like, literally, he's there.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

They're all literally there when they took their first breath. Like half of these kids, Jackson, Johanna, Jennifer, Jordan and Josie, you guys were there since they were babies. Like you said you held them like right after they were born. So of course they're gonna feel like you guys are supposed to be there. They can ask you questions. Even though you're professionals, you're also like family. And so as a 2 and 3 year old kid, you're walking around like, oh, yeah, you're here and you're there more than our friends were there.

[B]

And it was also pitched to the kids that this was like home videos and stuff. So they wouldn't have understood the corporate aspect of it.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Like, they're getting paid to be here and film us because this is going to get produced.

[A]

No, like, literally. I remember my mom told a story multiple times. But it's funny because she was at the grocery store with Jackson and people were coming up to her and saying, you know, like, oh, Michelle, whatever, whatever. And he finally at one point just said. They said, hi, Jackson. He said, how do they know my name? He was just puzzled. Like, how do they know my name? And because you guys were there. But it wasn't like we watched TV either. That was probably the. That was probably the missing element to where it made it feel like you guys were just, you know, just showing up every day to hang out. And yeah, they couldn't quite understand, like, okay, you're here and then this is gonna be on tv. Other people are gonna see it. Cause we didn't watch cable tv. We didn't watch that many shows at all. And then I think as we got a little bit older, we would watch some of the shows back where we get rough cuts and so we'd see it, but you're still not understanding until you're way older exactly what's happening.

[C]

Yeah, we were there, but why were we there?

[B]

Yeah, I wonder how many good moments, like good TV moments were ruined because kids start interacting with the film.

[C]

Yeah, they'll turn around.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

You know, Scott, you know, he hit me.

[A]

Take care of him.

[C]

She's crying, you know, she's hungry. Where's her doll?

[A]

And you just throw her a taco off the, off the buffet line. You're like, here, take a taco.

[B]

Did you ever. Would you ever be filming something holding the boom and then like having to interact with a kid who's like pulling you on your, your pant leg or something.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

They used to message jungle gym.

[C]

You know, you get good at holding it with one arm and then just here, go away kid.

[A]

You know, or okay, the amount of times for you that the boom is overhead and the babies are just staring at it.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

I think there were so many shots like that where I would be like watching back a rough cut and whoever the little baby was, they're just like this because the boom is so, it's like a toy. It's like one of those baby mobile things.

[B]

Like a long haired cat. It is.

[C]

It's a long gray fuzzy thing over their head and they're going to. Huh, what's that?

[A]

It's really funny. If you watch back the old shows.

[B]

You'Ll see there's a clip of that. So let's go.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Yeah, I know that's one thing that you've always struggled with. It's like, oh, I want to go to the doctor, I need to get this checked out. Or I need, you need your new inhaler. And you're like, ah, but I don't want to go find a doctor. Well, Zocdoc is the answer because like Jer said, they help you find that in network doctor and so you can get your appointment booked quick and easy.

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[A]

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[A]

Now back to the episode learning all the kids names.

[B]

I'm Jedediah Duggar.

[C]

And then I'm Jeremiah Duggar.

[B]

Right in the blank.

[A]

He's supposed to be Jedediah. Yeah.

[C]

Don't sound. With a lot of little children can be a challenge.

[A]

It's fun playing with their sound equipment and cameras and knocking down all their booms and smearing slobbering listening headphones and stuff.

[C]

If the boom is close, they'll grab it and just stick their mouth on and go, bah, bah, bah. And you know, it's kind of a little damp when you pull it back and you just shake it off, let it dry, you know, don't touch it, it'll dry.

[B]

Hello, Dr. Murphy.

[C]

Hey, this is Jim Bob.

[B]

Hey, we've got Johanna broke out with.

[C]

Chickenpox a couple weeks ago and now we have 11 more broke out. If the children get sick, the crew usually gets sick.

[B]

Oh, that's fun too.

[C]

12 of the kids got chickenpox. We had to call our parents and see if we had had chickenpox. Is mama there? Mom, can you hear me? Have I had chicken pox? Have I had chickenpox? I'm good. We were good for the most part, so that's hilarious. We were going to try and protect ourselves because we have some fairly close contact with these kids.

[B]

Everybody Come in here real quick. The chickenpox kids.

[A]

I did not remember. You guys were there for that.

[B]

Wow, that's hilarious.

[A]

I should know that you were there. You guys were there all the time during that season.

[B]

You called your mom.

[A]

That's amazing. Missed you. Oh, my word. That's so sweet.

[B]

I had no idea. You remember that?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Did any of the crew have to quarantine or.

[C]

No, I don't think Bill had had chickenpox, but he did not contract it.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah. I didn't even think of that. Because their sickness. We've talked about this before, you know, it's terrifying for me if one of the kids gets sick, and then if it gets to Ginger, if she gets sick, the ship goes down. Like, the whole ship goes down, because I don't run this ship, you know? And so. And obviously I get, man sick. So I get sick real easy, and I'm in bed. Ginger just powers through. I mean, she's incredible. So. But what we were talking about was, like, for us, it'll last a week because Evie will get it, then Felicity will get it, then Finn will get it. But for the Duggars, it would last months. And you guys were filming in those times, so did you ever go, oh, man, they've got the flu. Like, half of them have the flu upstairs.

[C]

I never caught any sickness or disease or illness from the Duggan season.

[A]

I think it probably actually built up your immune system. The amount of slobber and kid slobber all over everything. It probably actually, like, you guys probably had better immunity, you know, like, against things from travel. Between travel and little kids around, you probably had the best immune systems, right?

[C]

We were good.

[B]

Wow, that is really funny.

[A]

I just remember so many times, though, when I was older and the crew would come, I remember a couple times, a few of them told me, oh, have you tried airborne or zinc? And they were, like, telling me what to take because they said that was like, their way of keeping sickness at bay.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So if you started to feel something coming on, they're like, take this, take that, take this. And I remember getting protocols because I would try to avoid stuff, and I felt like being in a large family, you'd always have something going around. And so that, to this day, was, like, locked in my mind. Take the airborne, take the zinc, do this vitamin, and you'll be fine. And it actually worked a couple times for me. You know, the cruise protocol. It's great.

[B]

Yeah. Would you just have tons of medicine with you in your bag?

[C]

Not really. I tried them, but I was fairly healthy. Anyway. Yeah, like I said, I didn't get anything. I didn't bring any illness.

[A]

You bring it in, you take it out. That's awesome.

[B]

That's good.

[A]

Okay, we got to see the next clip. It's going to be a girl. My guess would be boy. Is it?

[C]

It's a surprise. There have been attempts to extract secrets.

[B]

James, you know, by Bridewood, I can.

[A]

Give you my monkey daddy.

[C]

They were not generally successful.

[A]

That's so cute. Despite their busy schedule, the crew always goes above and beyond and helps our family in so many ways. We are really not just making a television show. We're really involved in their lives as well. I remember one time we had an ice storm and we couldn't get out and go and get diapers. But the crew was coming our way so we just asked one of them to grab some diapers on the way. And so yeah, they're definitely just like family and pitch in and help.

[B]

The pieces are delivered. It's time to go to work. Rotan.

[C]

When we show up and we need to shoot and there's bags of trash, it's like, all right, let's take out the trash.

[B]

If something spills, we'll clean it up.

[C]

You know, even if we didn't do it, you know, we just jump in and help.

[A]

You guys are the best. They'll make a mess and they'll be over there helping wipe it up and so yeah, they're the best.

[C]

That's fun.

[A]

They're so sweet. Oh my goodness.

[B]

Good fair or good amount of taking out trash.

[C]

Yeah. It's not that we're separate, you know, we're. Yeah, we're integrated. We're in the family. You know, something needs done.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

We do it.

[B]

What about the secrets they would tell you? Like the, the Especially the pregnancy announcements.

[C]

Right. If they would want to know if I would know if it, you know, the gender reveal thing and I would know. What is it? Tell me and I won't tell anybody. No, you know, I've got a secret too and I'm not gonna tell you.

[A]

That was awesome though, I think was that Kenzie, she just said about the stuffy. I'll give you my stuffy if you tell me.

[C]

It didn't work.

[B]

What's funny is did they ever pick up on stuff like there would be genuine surprises like if a. A couple was going to start dating or somebody was going to ask someone to marry them. And so the film crew shows up and would the family ever be like, why are you guys here today?

[C]

Sometimes they would look at us like, why aren't you here? And they. They wouldn't necessarily say anything, but, you know, these guys are pretty sharp. You know, they're figuring out what's going on. You know, they've been around us long enough to know that there. There's a reason we're here.

[A]

Or if my dad said, okay, we're gonna call everyone together, we're gonna have a family meeting, then everybody would say, what's the announcement? Who is it? Then they'd probably try to get it out of you and filmed.

[C]

Right.

[B]

You know, another challenge was not when you're there, but when you're not there. Like, I remember when I proposed to Ginger, we had to frame up this thing where you guys weren't gonna be there. It was like an extracurricular. Like, after filming, we were gonna go take pictures on a rooftop with my buddy James. And then we show up and you are there. Then immediately she knows, okay, something's up.

[C]

You know, kind of a not surprise anymore.

[B]

Right. But I wanted you there like this.

[A]

I wanted you guys there for that big moment. Like, it would be sad if you weren't there.

[B]

There's an X on the ground. Or where did you see?

[C]

Where are you? These lights here, you know, it's pretty subtle, you know? Yeah.

[A]

It would feel strange if you weren't there.

[B]

You know, what's really funny is, like, for when I asked you to marry me, there were lines on the ground because the film crew has to set it up for the shot. So she's totally shocked. But because she's so used to filming, she knows, like, oh, I stand on.

[C]

The X, get my mark and just.

[A]

Walk up and it's like, there you go.

[B]

It's a moment of like, what's happening? This is magical. What's going on? He's gonna ask me and I'll stand here.

[A]

That's so funny.

[B]

It's gotta be just second nature.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Okay. I think there's another one from this reaction or this behind the scenes episode. And Josiah and they'll have a great time. Of course. We've got to know their heart. And we know that they are just great people.

[A]

And so we love them and they love us.

[B]

And it's amazing when we're going through.

[A]

A hard time or whatever, they're always there just to give us a hug or encourage us and make sure that we're doing okay. It's really. They care about us. And not only just the filming and getting the right shots and Things that like.

[B]

Like that.

[C]

She looks kind of like her daddy. We get to hold the babies right after they're born and help welcome them to the world. You know, that is. That's a great bonus.

[B]

Wow, that's a really sweet.

[A]

Fresh babies.

[B]

Yeah, fresh babies. But even you guys, when you were young, saying, like, recognizing the special bond.

[C]

Yeah, we were, you know, usually a crew, and whoever you're filming, there's not, you know, there's a divide. And in our case, we would, you know, we would. We could go up and give you a, you know, the dugger side hug when necessary. You know, and most times that won't happen. You might give somebody, you know, pat on the shoulder or anything like that. But, you know, you can say, here, it'll be okay. You know, you need something, how can I help? And we genuinely meant it.

[A]

And I think that's part of it, too, is, like, when you look at other shows, I imagine too, if it's not reality, if it's more of a set where you're just reading your lines or script, that also you can have friendships that develop through the years of filming that way. I think that I would be curious to hear. Do you think that there was a difference because it was reality and because you guys literally were there watching us grow up from when we were kids, that level of trust just built over the years. You were there when we walked through the challenge of my grandpa's cancer, my grandma's health issues. There's all these things that were, you know, unfolding then. We have. We meet our, you know, significant others, and we have our weddings. We are welcoming kids into the world, and you guys are just always there. Does that change the dynamic at all? Do you think that's part of the unique side of filming a show that was more in our everyday lives as opposed to, like, a script that we're following?

[C]

Absolutely, because we had the emotional connection too. You know, when your grandma was sick, when your grandfather had cancer, we had that emotional connection too, because, you know, I knew your grandfather. We had a few political discussions.

[A]

Oh, I bet you did.

[C]

And so he wasn't just some stranger who would come in, we'd shoot and leave. You know, there was a personal connection. There was a personal connection with all the individuals in your family. So there was a consequent emotional connection.

[B]

Did you cry when filming a funeral or find yourself, like tears of joy at a wedding?

[C]

I almost did, yeah. I generally don't do it, cry at things like that, but I almost did, yeah.

[B]

I wonder if the show was canceled ultimately, twice. 2015. And then finally. And I know that had implications for you guys financially because this is your job. Right. But I wonder what hit first? Was there a processing of like, oh, no, we're not going to see our family every week? Or what was. Because there's probably a lot of emotions that came together in a time like that. How did you process that initially?

[C]

Well, the financial issue was pretty strong, but the emotional issue was there. I mean, like, hey, these are, you know, this is my, my family in Arkansas. You know, I'm just cut off. That's not good. I don't want that to happen. You know, I love these guys and I've been cut off and that's not something I want to happen. So it was like a double edged sword.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And when it all came back, that was like, yay, we get to see him again. And oh yeah, I get a paycheck again. Yeah.

[A]

I think that was my. The hardest thing for me was just. It's interesting because there are both sides of filming. There are. Sometimes you're filming and you're like, okay, like, showing up to interviews today did not feel like I want to, but that's how it is with anything that you do in life. So, like, I don't want to wash the dishes. I have to wash the dishes. Okay, I'm gonna do it, you know. But then there would be like a couple days like that. But it was fun and we enjoyed it. And I think that when it ended, the first thing that we thought was, we're not gonna have the crew here. It's all we had known, you know, from the age of like nine. When Scott showed up, I remember I was terrified of the cameras and I was afraid. And they just like, put us at ease. Kirk and Scott, Deanie, they were all there and they just put us at ease. And it was like, that's amazing. Like, you know, we were little kids just looking up to them, like, well, nervous, you know, and then they were just there. They were just there. And that's all we knew. And then when it ended, I think it was fascinating because we're like, wow, is this chapter of our lives actually closed? Is it actually over? And it just was sad. I think I went through, like, trying to figure out, like, okay, what do we do now? Like, we're not gonna see the crew all the time. And so I think when you guys showed up for Jana's wedding, a good number. We saw some of you before that. But when you showed up for her wedding, that was A moment when we walked out of the back of the church and so many of the crew members were there, we just cried. We were just like, so many of us have, like, we all just went out and, like, could not believe. I mean, we knew you guys, some of you guys were coming, but it was just a moment of, like, a reunion. And it just felt so sweet. So sweet. And we all needed it. You know, it had been so long and having you get to see different crew members at different times and we'll have, like, certain meetup points. If we're in a city and they live there, we'll pop in and see them. But it was a. It was so amazing having that reunion of so many people together all at once. It just felt different and so special and. Yeah, I just couldn't put it into words. And now I'm all emotional and teary eyed.

[B]

Okay, let's try to embarrass Jim a little bit then. This would be a great time to embarrass Jim. So watch this clip. And then we're going to challenge you on this. Josie, do you have a stinky diaper?

[C]

I do. Remember. Well, I don't know if Josie would want me bringing up again how she pooped her pants and little bits were falling out of the leg of her pants. We put that on tv.

[B]

I'm sorry, guys.

[A]

Oh, gross.

[C]

Of course, when she gets to be about 16, she's probably up going, why did you do that to me? Like, well, why wouldn't I? You pooped your pants on tv.

[A]

But little Josie isn't the only one who has embarrassing moments in front of the camera. Here's two trying to remember all our kids in order.

[C]

So, Dug, your kids from oldest to youngest. Josh, Jana, John, David.

[A]

Wait, we should see if you can do it right now before this.

[C]

Chill, Jess.

[B]

Good call.

[A]

Right now.

[C]

Gosh. Let's see. I can do. Let's see. Josh, John, David, Jenna. Let's see. And then we go to Jill, Ginger. And then, of course, we go to. We forgot we skipped over Jessa.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Ginger.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

And then we go to the.

[A]

Jeremy doesn't even know these, by the way.

[C]

And we go to the Knuckleheads.

[A]

All the.

[C]

The boys.

[A]

Two boys.

[C]

Yeah, we got. I can see it. See, I can see the faces. Yeah. Joe, Joseph. And then I would say they're twins, but they're all.

[A]

Yep, yep.

[C]

Josiah. And you're helping Jeremiah. You don't help me because you.

[A]

You.

[C]

And then we got.

[B]

You want me to put you out of your misery Gym here We go.

[A]

Let's just put this back on.

[C]

Jill, Jessa, Ginger gin. You're right.

[A]

Come on, Rotan. What's your name?

[C]

Oh, Joy.

[A]

Joseph.

[B]

Jeremiah, Jedediah.

[A]

Twins. James. It's Jason and Josiah.

[C]

Yeah, Josiah.

[B]

I miss Josiah.

[A]

Josiah, Joanna, Jedidiah, Jeremiah, Jason.

[C]

Jason. I should know Jason because he and I share a birthday. James, Justin, Jackson, Joanna, Jenny, Jordan and Josie. I think I got them all. I feel like that was easy.

[A]

Jenny did a great job.

[C]

No, not so much. If they're right in front of you, no problem.

[A]

You know, Johanna, Jennifer, Jordan, Jesse. Yeah, I think I can do middle names, too, but she probably.

[C]

I really have worked on the show for five years. Oh, boy. I missed Joseph on the first time around, too, man.

[A]

Scott had no excuse. Scott had no excuse because he was there from day one.

[C]

If you see him in front of you, you can do it.

[A]

That's it? Yeah, that's it. It's just the birth order thing is different because so many of them now, especially like, you, you don't know who's older, you know, because they're all different heights. They're all different. Like, there's so many all in a row. So Jeremy, even.

[B]

Oh, I struggle. And then here's the funny thing. Every podcast we go on, it's like our friends Matt and Abby at the Unplanned podcast we go on there and.

[A]

They'Re like, can you name all the kids in order? Yeah, he can name them all in order. I don't know.

[B]

Well, if you just throw out a J name, you're going to hit one of them, probably.

[C]

Yeah. Jehoshaphat, you know.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

I think the reason they stopped was because there's only, like, Judas and Jezebel left. And so it's like they needed to. They couldn't come up with any other J names.

[A]

That's so funny.

[B]

That is really funny. I think everybody associated with the Duggars, like you guys, will be plagued with that question until the day you die.

[A]

Yes, he's gonna go home and practice. Well, no, it's retirement. You're sitting there playing Duggar Word.

[B]

First of all, let me say you haven't aged a day. Second of all, filming that, you have the same. He's got the same, you know, as he's trying to think of the names. It was just as hard then. And you were on set. You were at their house.

[C]

Yes, I was.

[B]

So it's not like, oh, the years have pass. Like, Rotan's going, I promise. I've worked here for five years. I Do know this family?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

It's a lot of people.

[A]

It's a ton.

[C]

I know Jim Bob and Michelle. Yep, got that.

[A]

That's right. Because you know why? Jim and Michelle.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

If you forget that, is your middle name Robert?

[C]

No.

[B]

What's your middle name?

[C]

Garland.

[B]

Oh, that's a great middle name. We got to bring Carlin back. Okay, last clip. And this is maybe on a more serious note, but it was on the show. But it's a fascinating. Again, like, we've been talking about this crossover of real life with film. Right. And this is when Jason got hurt. And I just want to get your reaction to bringing. Bringing you back to that moment and what kind of was going through your mind.

[A]

So let's watch it stayed around a little bit longer with my cousins and Jason, my cousin was videoing me just playing around on the harp, and Jason, he was playing hide and seek with their little boy. A lot of songs have F sharp, so to do that. So we heard this screaming. We couldn't tell where the screaming was coming from. Finally, I found this little opening next to where the orchestra pit was, and there was a little curtain, and I looked down in there, but it was so pitch black, I couldn't see anything, but I could tell that's where the.

[C]

Screams were coming from.

[A]

She was lowered down into the orchestra area there, down the orchestra pit, because they couldn't find out how to get to that room.

[C]

Grab my hand, can you?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Now squeeze my hand on how bad it hurts.

[B]

How far do you feel? Jason laying there basically in a pool of blood. He had fell about 12ft, broke his two front teeth out. We didn't know if he had a.

[A]

Neck injury or whatever.

[B]

John and Jill kind of immobilized his neck. So you're filming just a regular day, and then you hear that. How do you, as the crew react?

[C]

First of all, you hear somebody screaming and, you know, you want to know is somebody hurt? And that's your priority. If they're hurt, render aid, you know? Yeah. Get them out of the situation. Make sure they're getting help they need. Fortunately, you know, John, David, Jill are first aid responders. So instead of me and the rest of the crew jumping in, they've got the skill set necessary better than we do. So we just stay out of the way. We don't interfere. We let them take care of what needs to be taken care of since they have the ability. But that doesn't mean we're not, you know, doing. Wanting to do. What can I do to help. But right now what we can do to help is stay out of the way and not interfere.

[B]

But then keep filming.

[C]

Well, yeah, but is that like a weird.

[B]

Do they tell you, do they in.

[C]

In film school, Famous film guy school? Yeah.

[B]

Do they tell you, like, keep filming, like in a moment like that.

[C]

It's almost instinctive, you know, this is what you do. You can't help. You can do nothing to improve the situation. You keep shooting.

[B]

Were there ever moments where you felt like it would be more respectful or something not to film or where you felt like that can, you know, it's a sense of driving past a car accident and you go, I shouldn't film this.

[C]

Sometimes. Yes, but the default response is shoot.

[B]

Because you can always delete it, right?

[C]

Yeah. If it's there, you do it and you can always get rid of it. Like you said, delete it.

[B]

Yeah. Interesting. Those are the things you don't think about.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And when you don't want to seem.

[C]

Disrespectful, like, get out of the way, I want to see the blood, you.

[B]

Know, like, like even going back to a funeral. Or there's these moments in life because reality, everyone thinks with reality tv, it's all fun and games. Hey, let's go film Jeremy asking Ginger out on a date. And that's fun. But then when you sign up for reality tv, you're signing up for all of the reality.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So then the film crew's there on the day of a funeral. Well, then you're getting a close up shot artistically. Ooh, this is a good shot of someone crying as. And you go, this is art and business combined with real life.

[C]

There is real life and it's harder because in this case, you know, we're emotionally involved as well.

[B]

Right.

[C]

But you still, your job is to, you know, record the emotion. You want to convey the emotion. You want to show people how deeply they are feeling how hurt they are. You know, it's important that you let the. The hurt come across.

[B]

Right.

[C]

You know, in a movie they do this. It's all manufactured. In a reality show, it's real. The tears are real, the hurt is real.

[B]

You know, it hit me as we were getting ready to have you come on the show or. Yeah, the podcast here, and I'm looking at old episodes and we're talking about these memories was, you know, we have a lot of listeners who maybe didn't follow the show so closely. Maybe they're more recent listeners or something, or they watched it peripherally. They watched a few episodes Here or there. But as I was looking at episodes and seeing how many people have subscribed and downloaded episodes, it was like 193 million. Like, hundreds of millions of people around the globe tuned in for moments like that. And so what's really interesting is if you think about, you know, what we just talked about, we're in the mind of one of the producers, one of the people who actually made the show happen. You recorded the audio for these moments that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of people around the globe watched that moment. They were impacted just in the same way that you hearing that scream or you. It was the same now as through a TV screen. They'd never met these people, but I don't know, just thinking of the profound influence, but also the profound reach of that TV show. I mean, the show you were involved on went global. And it's just. I don't even have a conclusion to that thought. Just. I think just the weight of it hitting me like this was. Yeah, everybody was watching.

[C]

Well, you know, if you think about it, there's a responsibility to the people that the people making the show have. You can editorialize through editing and make things seem not the way they really were. As producers, as people who are generating the show, we have a responsibility in my mind, to maintain accuracy. This is what really happened. Don't spin it. Don't twist it. Don't add your own agenda. Be accurate. Don't twist it to meet whatever message you're trying to get across. So, you know, when you show somebody crying, that's a very emotional. Has a lot of emotional impact. Don't use that to get a message across that's not necessarily one that the. That the participants are trying actually feeling.

[B]

It's almost like journalism. Like, you're almost a journalist. Like you were journaling these people's lives for the world to watch. What a fascinating. What a fascinating career you've had.

[C]

And it's been interesting.

[B]

Just. Just as we think about. Yeah. The uniqueness of the Duggars and the life that. That she grew up in and everything that's come of it, good and bad and everything in between. And it's just the beauty of life. Right. The human experience. And you were there capturing every moment.

[C]

It was, to a large extent, a privilege, and I was honored to be able to do it, mostly because of.

[A]

The family involved, make me cry.

[C]

They were respectful, they were honest, they were straightforward. And a lot of what they stood for, most of what they stood for, coincided with what I stood for.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So.

[A]

Well, we love you guys. And I'm so glad that you and Michelle have traveled out to spend this time with us. It's been quite the journey, and I just. Yeah, I mean, we couldn't have planned how everything would turn out, you know, how. How long the show would go, how these relationships would form. But I'm just so thankful to God that we got to do it with you guys. Like, it's just. It is a privilege. And. Yeah, it's. It's so crazy. Like, looking back on these memories, there's so many instances that I don't even remember that we filmed because we were living it. And that's just part of the thing where, you know, you guys probably remember, like, oh, I was there for that segment where I wasn't. But it's amazing to see all that, you know, you guys were involved in. And so thanks for sitting down with us. It was so fun.

[C]

It's been a whole lot of fun. I have enjoyed it immensely. And also seeing you guys again, it's been great.

[A]

It's been so good.

[B]

What would you say at the end of every shoot, was it cut?

[C]

That's a wrap.

[B]

That's a wrap.

[A]

That's a wrap.

[B]

That's a wrap.