DUGGAR TWIN GENDER REVEAL: Jana & Abby Share the Big News!

Summary

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Podcast Summary: DUGGAR TWIN GENDER REVEAL: Jana & Abby Share the Big News!

Podcast: The Jinger & Jeremy Podcast
Hosts: Jinger Vuolo & Jeremy Vuolo
Episode Date: November 12, 2025
Main Theme: Exciting gender reveal for Duggar family twins (Jana and Abby), family dynamics in a growing clan, parenting insights, and thoughtful reflections on legacy and love.

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Episode Overview

Jinger and Jeremy dive into the latest Duggar family news: twin siblings Jana and John, along with John’s wife Abby, unveiled the genders of their upcoming babies—Jana (with husband Stephen) expecting a boy, Abby expecting a girl. The couple discusses the significance of this family milestone, transitions in parenting, and how family dynamics and legacy evolve in a family as large as the Duggars. Through light-hearted storytelling and candid advice, they reflect on parenting, family connection, and the deeper joys and challenges of building a legacy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Duggar Twin Gender Reveal [06:34–08:53]

• Announcement: Both Jana (with husband Stephen) and Abby (married to twin John) did a combined gender reveal.
  • Jana is having a boy.
  • Abby is having a girl.
  • Notable as the twins (Jana & John) get to celebrate pregnancy in tandem, despite living in different states.
• Hosts’ Perspective: Jinger and Jeremy share their excitement and the uniqueness of the event.
  • “The combined gender reveal hasn’t been done a lot.” —Jeremy [07:51]
  • “It’s very special.” —Jinger [08:26]

2. Parenting Differences: Raising Boys vs. Girls [09:02–10:55]

• Jeremy initiates a conversation on differences between raising boys and girls, referencing their own kids.
• Jinger observes:
  • “Girls are easier on the front end…on the back end, they’re a little bit harder at times. We have entered the drama season.” [09:23]
  • Boys tend to be more energetic and physically active from a young age.
  • “Boys just seem to be bouncing off a lot of things...Our girls have a lot of energy, but in a different way.” [10:28–10:49]

3. The Growing Duggar Legacy [14:28–18:01]

• Grandkid Count: The Duggars now have 41 grandkids (19 boys, 22 girls) with expectations that the number could reach 100 in a few years.
• Legacy Math: Jeremy recaps how Jim Bob (Jinger’s dad) projected how the Duggar family could hypothetically grow to 24 billion descendants in 14 generations—an amusing (if overwhelming) calculation.
  • “In 14 generations, there could be 24 billion Duggar descendants.” —Jeremy [17:36]
  • “The Duggars are gonna take over the world.” —Jinger [17:28]
• Family Life Challenge: Jinger admits it’s difficult to remember all the names and birthdays: “It is nearly impossible to keep up with.” [18:21]
  • Relies on group chats and calendar notifications to manage the sprawling family.

4. Family Connection Amid Distance [19:15–22:13]

• Many Duggars—and their children—live in Arkansas, but some, like Jana and Jinger herself, live out of state.
• This physical “removal” makes visits special and memorable for their children and the cousins.
• Navigating Relationships:
  • Jinger reflects on the complexity her kids feel trying to keep track of uncles, aunts, and cousins—a microcosm of challenges in large families.

5. Shifting Family Dynamics: Then vs. Now [24:40–29:26]

• Changing Upbringing: Jeremy prompts Jinger to compare her own upbringing (in a 19-child home) to how she and her siblings are now raising their own kids.
• Experience: Jinger notes:
  • Younger siblings didn’t experience the chaos of “every kid in the house.”
  • Now, Duggars raise smaller families; large gatherings feel more like “stepping into a world” instead of day-to-day life.
  • “Now these families that are being raised are more just your average kind of American, like small family, live in a house, three kids, home. Going into the Duggar world… is more of like a world you’re stepping into.” —Jeremy [28:54]

6. Parenting, Connection, and Priorities [31:34–34:58]

• Time with Kids: They reflect on the brevity and importance of time with children.
  • “By the time your kids are 10, you’ve spent 50% of the time you’re going to spend with them.” —Jeremy [31:47]
• Modern Distractions: Jeremy warns against wasting precious time on unimportant things.
  • “Put down the dumb phone. Stop being so distracted with things that don’t matter.” —Jeremy [32:41]
• Healthy Parenting: Importance of boredom for kids; not always needing to entertain them, but being present and intentional.

7. Motherhood, Sacrifice, and Joys [34:59–50:00]

• Jana’s Journey: How family prayed for Jana to find the right partner. Now, excitement for her first baby.
  • “Jana was never for lack of options… but the Lord just hadn’t brought the right guy around.” —Jeremy [34:59]
• Abby’s Endurance: Abby faces difficult pregnancies with perseverance, reflecting sacrifice many mothers make.
  • “She’s a trooper, that girl. Determination, endurance, next level.” —Jinger [36:42]
• Jinger on Motherhood’s Sacrifices:
  • “For me, [nursing] literally feels like sacrifice…I am doing this because I know it’s good for them, but I don’t want to.” [40:40]
• Postpartum Challenges: Open conversation about mental health, postpartum, and the importance of accepting help and community support.

8. Legacy, Love, and Living for Others [44:13–49:54]

• Fulfillment in Parenting: Jeremy stresses the richness of parental love and living a sacrificial, outward-focused life.
  • “A life lived not loving and actually rejecting love because it’s hard is probably a life being lived by someone who’s not genuinely been loved...” [47:08]
  • “What you’re doing [in parenting] is loving...You’re laying your life down for others. And to think, like, those moments where you’re looking at pictures of them…you’re building the house of love that’ll impact the rest of their lives.” [48:11]
• The Reward: The most rewarding life comes from building loving, lasting bonds and legacy for future generations.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Raising Duggars’ Grandkids:
  • "We easily could be at 100 grandkids for my parents super soon because not all the kids are married." —Jinger [00:14]
  • "In 14 generations, there could be 24 billion Duggar descendants." —Jeremy [00:22 & 17:36]
• On Parenting Differences:
  • "Girls are easier on the front end…on the back end, they’re a little bit harder at times. We have entered the drama season.” —Jinger [09:23]
  • “Boys just seem to be bouncing off a lot of things...Our girls have a lot of energy, but in a different way." —Jinger [10:28]
• On Sibling Connection:
  • "I can remember my siblings birthdays...but then grandkids, it is nearly impossible to keep up with!” —Jinger [18:21]
• On Parenting Perspective:
  • “By the time your kids are 10, you’ve spent 50% of the time you’re going to spend with them.” —Jeremy [31:47]
  • “Put down the dumb phone. Stop being so distracted with things that don’t matter.” —Jeremy [32:41]
• On Motherhood and Endurance:
  • "[Abby] is a trooper, that girl. Determination, endurance, next level.” —Jinger [36:42]
  • “For me, [nursing] literally feels like sacrifice…I am doing this because I know it’s good for them, but I don’t want to.” —Jinger [40:40]
• On Legacy and Love:
  • “A life lived not loving…is probably a life being lived by someone who’s not genuinely been loved.” —Jeremy [47:08]
  • "You lay your life down to give them life abundantly." —Jeremy [49:45]

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Important Timestamps

• Gender Reveal Announcement: [06:34–08:53]
• Differences in Raising Boys vs. Girls: [09:02–10:55]
• Math of Duggar Descendants: [14:28–18:01]
• Family Connection Despite Distance: [19:15–22:13]
• Comparing Duggar Upbringings: [24:40–29:26]
• Reflections on Time & Priorities: [31:34–34:58]
• Jana and Abby’s Parenting Journeys: [34:59–36:45]
• Motherhood Sacrifice, Postpartum, and Support: [39:48–50:00]
• Meaning of Love in Parenting: [44:13–49:54]

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Summary Tone

Light, honest, and relatable—the Vuolos blend humor, vulnerability, and warmth. Listeners get a behind-the-scenes look at the practicalities, challenges, and immense joys of a famously large and evolving family, with a focus on gratitude and faith through every season.

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For listeners: If you’re eager for Duggar family updates and appreciate candid, heartfelt conversation about parenting and legacy, this episode is packed with memorable insights and encouragement!

Transcript

[Jeremy]

Today's episode. We've got big news. There's big news coming out of the Duggar sister baby world. Jana and Abby announced.

[Ginger]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeremy]

The genders of their kids.

[Ginger]

We easily could be at 100 grandkids for my parents super soon because not all the kids are married.

[Jeremy]

Your dad sent this out the other day. So this is assuming that every grandchild has five kids and then all of their grandchildren have five kids. So that's assuming a lot. But listen to how quickly it adds up. In 14 generations, there could be 24 billion Duggar descendants.

[Ginger]

Oh, my goodness. Wow.

[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

That's incredible.

[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

I'm doing.

[Jeremy]

You look tired.

[Ginger]

I am tired. I don't know why I'm so tired, but maybe parenting. Yeah, probably. So Finn was a little cranky this morning, and so actually, I need to pull up my baby monitor. Yeah, he was a little cranky. He is.

[Jeremy]

Nanit baby monitor.

[Ginger]

My nanit baby monitor. There we go. I'm gonna turn the volume down, but I can still see him. So, yeah, he was a little cranky, and I think I kept trying to put him down, but he was just like, drooling and teething. So he has one tooth that's like fully come through on the bottom, and then the one next to it is. I'd say it's like halfway through. But it's bothering him a lot. So anyhow, just a lot of fussiness, wanting to be held. But he's also just all over the place.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, he is. It's crazy. He is, like, standing, walking. Well, he's not walking yet, but he's climbing.

[Ginger]

He's climbing, which is crazy. Everything. So there's like this little kids chair that we had for the girls. He can get up on it. So he pulls up and then he steps up onto the seat part and holds on.

[Jeremy]

And then it's a very precarious position.

[Ginger]

It's kind of scary because he'll stand there until he can no longer hold on. And then he just lets go and thinks he's gonna fall properly, but. But it scares me. So I'm like constantly chasing him around, trying to make sure that he's okay.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Ginger]

Are you gonna talk about it?

[Jeremy]

He's a little stud. Oh, yeah, talk about it.

[Ginger]

Just talk about it. Cause I just talked about it.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, no, I'm doing good. I took my cast off, so this might be a problem.

[Ginger]

He took his cast off.

[Jeremy]

So here's the.

[Ginger]

I did not have the doctor take it off. And he's gonna explain why.

[Jeremy]

Well, I cut it off with wire cutters, but originally. So, guys, this is the evolution of a bad idea. The doctor told me I'd had the cast on for two weeks. He X rayed it, took it off, and he said, all right, you need this on for two more weeks. But then they scheduled me out for three weeks to take it off. So I called. They didn't have any openings to have me come in. So I said, look, this thing is starting to smell as cast do. You can't clean it. So my buddy said, well, I have a metal saw. So I go over to his house. It's like this serious saw. You know, this thing cuts through metal.

[Ginger]

This is so bad.

[Jeremy]

And it has a guard. And he's like, all right, I didn't.

[Ginger]

Realize you actually went over there.

[Jeremy]

Oh, yeah, Ginger. So I'm looking at my cast and this metal saw going, this is a terrible idea.

[Ginger]

I told you not to do any saws. I said, you're going to end up with, like, your arm cut off or surgery.

[Jeremy]

Terrible idea. So this is. This is an awful idea to go and have this thing sawed off. There's a reason why when you Google, like, how to take a cast off, every single response. The Internet's never unified about anything except this. Just Reddit, AI Google. Everybody says, don't take your Own cast off.

[Ginger]

And my. Yeah, say, my wife said not to take my cast off, too.

[Jeremy]

So then I'm sitting here, I'm like, nervous with this saw in my hand. I'm like, there's no way I'm doing this. So then I go get some wire cutters, and I didn't think it would work, but I just cut and it just like. It was like pair of scissors took it off. So then I'm going to have it checked out by the doc. So everything's good. It feels fine. But I did take my own cast off, and that's probably unsvised.

[Ginger]

You did say that it's not back to normal yet.

[Jeremy]

Well, I don't think it's ever going to be. I think I lost my knuckle for good, so.

[Ginger]

And your other finger, it's kind of a bummer because your other finger, I think it was from soccer. Right.

[Jeremy]

They're already jacked up.

[Ginger]

It's already bent and messed up. So at this point, you're just like, forget it.

[Jeremy]

It's good to wear a watch again, though. I miss. See, I missed wearing a watch, you know, my wrist. And it's good to not to have it. But here's the thing. I'm going to go back to the doctor tomorrow, actually, and maybe I'll have a cast on again. We'll see what he says.

[Ginger]

Oh, my goodness. This is the thing, too. The funny part is we, like, randomly had two people jump in our car, and we were gonna take them somewhere last minute. So of course, when that happens, you literally just like, move everything out of the floorboard, scoot to one side of the vehicle. Well, Jer opens the door for this couple to hop in our car, and it was wild. There was a cast laying there. It was a full cast laying on the floorboard of his tr. And it was not just like a straight cast. It's like has this puff in the hand to be crooked. I was like, this couple is our first time meeting them. They're hopping in the truck, and they're probably like, what the heck is that? That's insane.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Ginger]

Yeah. A moment. That was a moment right there.

[Jeremy]

Okay, so today's episode, we've got big news. There's big news coming out of the Duggar sister baby world. One Duggar sister, another Duggar sister in law. Jana and Abby announced.

[Ginger]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeremy]

The genders of their kids. Big social media. Jana put out a video, and they did it in a very cool way. And Jana is having a boy, and Abby's having a girl. And so we did not plan that, by the way. That was really good.

[Ginger]

That was actually really great job. Thank you.

[Jeremy]

We kind of married nine years.

[Ginger]

We talked about it, but we did that. Yeah. So it's super big news. And this is why. Let me tell you why. Because Jana is a twin. She's number two in the family, and John is number three. So Jana and John, they're having their little ones who are gonna be very close in age. So it was actually really fun because the twins got to do a gender reveal together. And I'm telling you, it's just such a fun thing. You gotta go watch the video. Go watch their YouTube video.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. The combined gender reveal hasn't been done a lot. Yeah. So I was surprised when I saw Janet and Abby do it together, especially. Cause they're living in different states.

[Ginger]

So Janet and Abby. But of course, John and Abby are married. So that's the twins. The cool thing, they. Yeah, they are living in different states because Jan and Steven are in Nebraska. John and Abby are in Arkansas.

[Jeremy]

Oh, yeah. They. Because John and Jan are twins.

[Ginger]

Yeah. Did you think about that?

[Jeremy]

No, I hadn't thought about that until you just.

[Ginger]

Twins.

[Jeremy]

Right. So for them to do their announcement together is wild.

[Ginger]

It's very special.

[Jeremy]

That's very cool. Is this the first time dual gender announcement has been done? I mean, aside from, like, Jen and Katie's twins?

[Ginger]

Oh, I can't. I couldn't tell you. I mean, I couldn't tell you.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, that's cool. So the. I was thinking, like, it's cool that it was a boy and a girl too, because it makes the gender announcement a lot more exciting.

[Ginger]

It's really fun.

[Jeremy]

Instead of just one color, I mean.

[Ginger]

In the pictures, it's more exciting in real life, for sure. I mean, boys and girls are so different. So.

[Jeremy]

Okay. That's something I want to talk about. Yeah. So the dynamics of having a boy and Janice starting with a boy. Talk about that, because we started with two girls, and I feel like we were eased into parenting. Yeah. Now we're. Now we're starting to face some of the drama.

[Ginger]

But, yeah, I think that's the thing. Because girls are easier on the front end.

[Jeremy]

Right.

[Ginger]

I think that on the back end, they're a little bit harder at times. So we have entered the drama season, and it's like. It's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot of drama. And I just feel for you because right now it's a lot with the girls. With me, I'll just Say, and it's. It's going to be interesting to see, like, the older that our kids get, how they kind of mellow out. But, yeah, we were eased into parenting with mellow out or ramp up. It's funny, anytime that I have anybody over with boys, if it's like a family member or friends, they, nine times out of ten are going to be climbing things, getting into more things, pulling more things out. And I'm not saying our girls are perfect. Our girls have a lot of energy. They have a lot of energy, but in a different way. So they can go sit at the table for an hour and do beads and put, like, make jewelry or color for an hour and a half. And boys just seem to be bouncing off a lot of things. And so that's where I feel like we're in for it. When Finn's gonna get a little bit bigger. We are already seeing.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. Already seen it. He's been more active physically.

[Ginger]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Felicity was constantly active, but Finn is like, all over the place.

[Ginger]

Yeah. And I mean, that can just be different. Temperaments.

[Jeremy]

Sure.

[Ginger]

Of course Felicity has a lot of energy, but it's not this boy energy. It's interesting.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

I mean, I have it right here.

[Jeremy]

Oh, yeah, you do.

[Ginger]

Right now, it's the softest blanket. One of the other girls who came over for the Bible study, she was like, oh, I feel like I need this. So, yeah, I might be gifting them one soon.

[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

Oh, my goodness. I was so stoked for them. It was a special moment thinking that, okay, they're able to do this gender reveal together. The timing was awesome. And I know that they're gonna be amazing parents. Jana and Steven, I'm talking about, because John and Abby, they're already naturals. You know, they've been through this so many times and so it's just really, really exciting for Jana and Steven.

[Jeremy]

Jana is gonna keep up with that little guy.

[Ginger]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeremy]

She'll give him a run for his money. She's all over the place.

[Ginger]

Yeah. I think that this little one, it's going to be fun to see because Jana is the queen of doing projects. So she's going to have like a toy hammer in that kid's hand from, you know, day two. He's going to, he's going to be all about the projects, I'm sure. And so it's going to be really fun to see.

[Jeremy]

Okay, so this is the Duggar family. Now, the count keeps going up in terms of grandkids. And so we were doing some math here.

[Ginger]

We were doing math. We don't like to do math. And we had to do math for figuring out how many nieces and nephews we have.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I think we've got 19 boys and 22 girls as grandkids.

[Ginger]

Wild.

[Jeremy]

I think now we could be corrected on that.

[Ginger]

So, again, my parents. Grandkids.

[Jeremy]

Yes. We do not have grandkids yet. That'll be many, many, many moons away. But duggars are at 41 grandkids, 19 of them boys, 22 of them girls. It's kind of crazy how it, like, works out. 50. 50.

[Ginger]

Yeah. That's crazy, guys. And when you think about that, I mean, we easily could be at 100 grandkids for my parents super soon because not all the kids are married. Yeah, that's the other thing. Like, we have some who have one kid or they, you know, other ones who aren't married. Like that. That's going to change. And so I'd say in the next five years, would you say that we'd be close to 70?

[Jeremy]

Well, listen to this.

[Ginger]

It just happens so quickly.

[Jeremy]

So your dad sent this out the other day, and I don't know how he made this, if this was his own math or what, but he gave us, like, if you were to multiply based on how many kids each family had, like, how. How quickly this would grow. So he said this. 19. There's 19 Duggar kids right now. 500 great grandkids. If each great grandkid and their descendants had five kids. So this is assuming that every grandchild has five kids, and then all of their grandchildren have five kids. So that's assuming a lot. That's right. Obviously, not every family is going to have five, but listen to how quickly it adds up. So a hundred grandkids. If the duggars get to 100 grandkids, which is probably what's going to happen, because we're already almost at 50, and we've got a lot more to go. 500 great grandkids. If each grandkid and their descendants had five kids, 2,500 great, great grandkids. 12,500 great, great grandkids. 62,500 great, great, great grandkids. Great, great, great, great grandkids. 312,500 great, great, great, great, great grandKids. 1,500,000 great, great, great, great, great grandkids. And he goes all the way down to 24 billion. 414,000. Oh, my goodness. 24 billion.

[Ginger]

Okay, that's so funny.

[Jeremy]

414 million. 62,500 great grandkids. Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandkids. Testing.

[Ginger]

So the Duggars are gonna take over the world.

[Jeremy]

So that was really confusing. This is what he concluded. In 14 generations, there could be 24 billion Duggar descendants.

[Ginger]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jeremy]

Wow.

[Ginger]

Lookout.

[Jeremy]

Okay. I don't think that's necessarily gonna happen, but it's kind of fun to add up the math. Wow.

[Ginger]

That's insane.

[Jeremy]

24 billion descendants.

[Ginger]

I mean, wouldn't be surprised.

[Jeremy]

That's the track we're on.

[Ginger]

Wild.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, it is wild. So what do you think? Does this change any family dynamics, adding these kids? No, just as the. You know, the extended family.

[Ginger]

I have my poor memory. I'm not gonna be able to keep up. That's part of it. I actually feel kind of bad. It's very hard for me to remember all the names of my nieces and nephews.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Ginger]

And for sure, not their age order. I thought I was always really great with birthdays. And I can remember my siblings birthdays, which is quite the feat. I mean, 18 siblings and trying to remember all of them. But then grandkids. When you add in my. My nieces and nephews, it is nearly impossible to keep up with. I'm always looking at my phone. I tried to put in as many birthdays as I could into my phone where they're in my calendar, and they'll pop up, so I remember whose birthday it is. But also, there's a family group message, which is super helpful because everybody always texts on that. Happy anniversary, Happy birthday. And it feels like almost every other day that it's happening. And so, yeah, I just feel like for all of us, it's a lot to remember, but it's also a lot of fun because there's always a celebration.

[Jeremy]

What do you think? I mean, we're a little bit removed, but what do you think? Changes in the dynamic amongst the cousins, because the cousins. Everybody's in Arkansas. Everybody's really close.

[Ginger]

Not ever. Well, yeah. Right now. Yes. All the cousins live nearby.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. I mean, Justin and Clara don't live in Arkansas. That's it for us. But.

[Ginger]

And Jana.

[Jeremy]

Oh, yeah. Jana's in Nebraska.

[Ginger]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

So that'll be interesting. There's now gonna be another grandkid or another cousin that's in a different State. Right now, we're the only ones in a different state for the grandkids. Yeah. So it's just gonna mean a lot more travel, I guess, for sure.

[Ginger]

And that's the side of it where, yeah, all those littles, they get to be together. Most of them do a lot. And so it's just. It's such a fun dynamic. And it's funny, when we go back, Felicity is just. She tries to remember all the names, but she can't. And I think that's. That's something that's so unique because she doesn't actually understand half the time who is related and who's not. So we had some of my siblings come out here. I think I've talked about this before, but, like, Jason had his bachelor party out here. Jana had her bachelorette party, and we had a couple friends come along, you know, who were hanging out with Jace and it. And a cousin. One of my cousins came and so Felicity was like, wait, who's. Who's related? Are they my cousin? Is that my uncle? And it just gets really, really confusing. And so we're like, no, that's not your relative. Like, it's just a friend. And she just. She couldn't get it down because there's so many. And then, you know, every once in a while she's like, wait, I have an uncle with that name. And I'm like, oh, my goodness, this is so hard to keep up with. Because when you live there, I don't think that the cousins probably are even thinking, oh, wait, that's my uncle, that's my aunt. Maybe they are. But at the same time, like, because we live so far away, when we go back, we're like, oh, that's your uncle, that's your aunt.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Ginger]

And it's just. It's a lot to keep up with.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, it is.

[Ginger]

With the in laws.

[Jeremy]

Yep.

[Ginger]

Not everybody has J name. That might have made it easier.

[Jeremy]

That's true.

[Ginger]

You know, just change your name when you marry into the family.

[Jeremy]

Yep.

[Ginger]

You did a great job of that. You just mesh into the Duggar world.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. Honestly, us. Well, there's an aspect of us being apart that might be more memorable for the Littles, because, yeah. They know we're the ones that are distinct. Like, we're not in Arkansas.

[Ginger]

Yeah. And then, like, when they come to visit, it's something that they remember. And so they're like.

[Jeremy]

Right.

[Ginger]

I mean, I'm not saying they don't remember the ones who were there. They do.

[Jeremy]

Like, la. For the first time. You're five years old. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ginger]

For like five days. And they're like, oh, my goodness. Because they remember.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Ginger]

That it just is going to be etched in their mind because we live away.

[Jeremy]

Right.

[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

Now back to the episode.

[Jeremy]

You know, it's an interesting dynamic that I don't think is often talked about, but is the how these kids are going to be raised as opposed to how you were raised? It's a really different experience. Like Jana raising her son with Steven. Like, do you think, you know, in Nebraska is going to be a completely different experience than growing up in the big house in Arkansas. Yeah. And even some of the family dynamics have changed. Like, there's. Well, what. What are those dynamics that have changed? Like, if you were to think about being raised and how you were raised versus how even we're raising our kids or some of your siblings are raising theirs, what are some of the things that are same and what are some of the things that are different?

[Ginger]

I think that it's tricky because when you think about being raised in a house with 19 kids, some of my siblings, they don't remember having everyone in the house, and they weren't raised with all the kids there. So I was number six in the family, and so I'm in the older top path. So, yeah, there were kids who were older than me, and they would've had different experience, less people in the house. But I was there, you know, when Josie was. Josie was born. She was a tiny preemie. She came home. Like, I remember all that. She was the baby. And then it was kind of weird because I was thinking about this. I moved out of the house when I got married at 22, and Josie was really young. I can't even remember. I can't do math right now. But she was super young. And all the little girls were. Were just these little kids, you know? And in my mind, they're kind of forever stuck there. And so whenever I have. Even more recently, we've had more opportunities to, like, hang out just with the little girls. And it's been so fun because they're not little girls anymore. They've grown up. They have so many personalities that are so different from what I remember them being. And so you kind of, like, lock into that. And it's. They're not gonna have the same childhood that I had because they're growing up and they're the babies of the family. And then now all the little kids that are around are the nieces and nephews for them. And so, yeah, there's. It's not like there are no kids around, but, like, my mom and dad and then, like, they're all able to travel, do other things in the season in smaller groups, which is so funny because we would always just, you know, I mean, they did travel, but they probably don't remember half of those trips that we took overseas. And so now it's their opportunity to get to travel and take those trips. But it's gonna feel different because it's less of them. And, like, other siblings will go along with their kids when they travel and they'll do all that, which is super fun. But thinking about my younger siblings and the dynamics that they're gonna have, they're not gonna always feel like they were part of a family of 19 kids.

[Jeremy]

Well, that's the thing is a family of 19 kids. It's this caravan. Like, when I first stepped into your world, I showed up in Big Sandy, Texas, and I remember seeing the massive rv. Not the rv, what do you call it? The bus. And everybody going in and out, this campsite set up. And everywhere you look, it was just like everybody was there. Those are the last couple of years that everyone would all be there. That's wild, because even Jill and Derek were there. Ben and Jess had just gotten married. So even the married couples were still there. So it wasn't like they were living in different places or doing their own thing. And then everyone else was still in the house. So everybody's on the bus and realizing, like, those were the last few years before people start getting married, moving away, having their own kids. And now these families that are being raised are more just your average kind of American, like small family, live in a house, three kids, home. Going into the Duggar world, where you step back for like a Thanksgiving or Christmas, is more of like a world you're stepping into.

[Ginger]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Rather than a world you're stepping out of. And that's totally different. And now some of these families might choose to have 19 kids, but. And they'll recreate that dynamic with their own family. But it's interesting. You went from like a caravan, like a very active, busy, everything, people everywhere to now it's like, yeah, you've got your family unit, little family unit, and a couple kids, and you're just living in a house and things are quiet and you're doing your thing. Sometimes you go to the big house and you see. But even the big house isn't full of activity all the time.

[Ginger]

Yeah, not all the time, but I mean, I feel like People come back for, you know, like, they have things always happening and so you can always pop in. So that's when you remember is at least for us, when we go back home very quickly. I remember how many siblings I have because there's so many people that I get to talk to and see. And every time we come back from an Arkansas trip, you're always like, you're gonna be wiped out. You're gonna be exhausted. Because I go non stop. Even if I'm going to, like meet up with one sibling or one couple, you know, and then go to their house, I'll go to their house and then we'll be like, oh, let's meet somebody at Brahms, let's meet somebody over at, you know, shopping thing. Let's get all the girls together and then let's take the kids over to the playground. And then it's like, there's always something happening. But because we live far away, I think that it can be more overwhelming. I was just talking to somebody two days ago, and she's from a family of like eight kids, and she's a grown adult, has her own kids. And she still said, it's interesting because you have this dynamic of like, oh, I feel the necessity to connect with every single one of my siblings all the time. And even for her as an adult, she said it's almost impossible to do that because she has three grown kids of her own. And she said, when I'm trying to connect with my kids who are at college, one who lives away, she said that it's just, it's so much to deal with. And because they still need you as a mom, you want to be present for them. And then you think about, oh, I want to connect with this sibling, so I may talk to them, and then I won't talk to them for five months on the phone.

[Jeremy]

Right.

[Ginger]

And then I realized, like she said, time passes, but you can't feel the weight and the burden of that. You don't want it to become a burden. That's the part of it I keep hitting this plant. You don't want it to become a weight and a burden because it's a gift and a joy to connect with them. But there's also also some siblings who you may connect with more or you may make it more of a priority to connect with.

[Jeremy]

That's really insightful and it shows you the value of the time you have in the home. You know, how we'll see those things that say, by the time your kids are 10, you've spent 50% of the time you're going to spend with them.

[Ginger]

Wow.

[Jeremy]

You know, and then by the time they're 18, you've spent 75% of the time because it's such concentrated time where you're with them 24, seven. And so, like, Evie right now, like, we see her all day, every day. Little Finn, Felicity does some classwork. So it's like you don't see her all day, every day, but you realize, oh, wow, like, when my daughter's 35, there's not going to be a bedtime routine. Like, she might have her own kids that she's putting to bed. And so if we had an hour conversation that day, that would be a lot. Like, if you talk to your daughter, who's 35, for an hour every day, you'd go, wow, I talk to Mom a lot. I talk to my kid a lot.

[Ginger]

Wow, that's crazy.

[Jeremy]

Seven hours a week. Well, that's one afternoon in this season.

[Ginger]

That's crazy. That's perspective change.

[Jeremy]

And it makes you think, like, put down the dumb phone. Stop being so distracted with things that don't matter. In 35 years, you'll be wanting that time back. In 35 years, you won't be obsessed with that Amazon order that you spend 30 minutes looking at for some stupid little thing until you ignored your kids. Now, I know that kind of language can quickly get into, like, real easy guilt tripping, because then you start feeling, you know, like, I can't do anything. I can't be on a screen if my kids are around. I need to value every moment. That's just not like.

[Ginger]

And you get a babysitter to get that time together to go out and have a breather, too. Oh, for sure you can show up and be the best for your kids, but.

[Jeremy]

But that's the thing, right? Like, not every single moment is like this memory bank. Yeah, normal life is a memory bank. You'll look back, and kids look back at their childhood and they remember fondly. Just living life. Which means, yeah, sometimes Mom's distracted or something. You got to do stuff. Dad's got to work. Mom's got to work. Like, their life happens. And so it's not like the answer isn't, oh, cherish every moment as if this is your last moment. That's not practical. You have to live life normally, especially to give them a good childhood. They need boredom. Like, that's one of the things I've wrestled with is this. I want to constantly be engaged with my kids when I'm home. No part of their development is being bored. Dad, what do I do? I don't know, kid. Go outside and play. Figure it out. Like daddy's got work to do. Yeah, like that's part of childhood and that's good for their development.

[Ginger]

It is good.

[Jeremy]

A kid that's constantly doted on, constantly giving attention is going to be this attention absorbing seeker in the rest of life.

[Ginger]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

But what it should do, that kind of thinking is give you the right priorities, where you go, okay, what am I going to value in 30 years? Well, then let me prioritize that. And it doesn't mean you don't prioritize the immediate, because you say, what am I going to value in 30 years? The time you spend on the ground cuddling and wrestling with my kids. Great. They also need to eat in 30 minutes, like, in order to get to those 30 years. So you got to leave them alone, go cook dinner so they can eat. But it's a matter of prioritizing. And I just think, like, even the shifting dynamics of, like, Jana. Jana has a kid.

[Ginger]

That's so exciting.

[Jeremy]

And there were years where, you know, we were praying for Janet because she wanted to be married and there just wasn't a guy good enough. Yeah. I say that in all sincerity, like, Jana was never for lack of options to marry a guy or, like, date a guy. Yeah, she's this incredible woman, but. And it wasn't like she had these high standards. The Lord just hadn't brought the right guy around. Yeah. And then how quickly life changes, Steven. Boom. Married, you know, what are they a year later, year and a half later, pregnant, little baby boy.

[Ginger]

So exciting.

[Jeremy]

It's incredible to see how those things shifted. And it helps you prioritize. So when you first found out Jana was pregnant, what was your reaction?

[Ginger]

Oh, my goodness. I was stoked for her. And I was just trying to imagine what is this little one going to look like, you know, what temperament are they gonna have? And I knew immediately that Jana was gonna be the best mom because she is just so capable. She's capable of doing anything and everything she sets her mind to, Whether that's a work project, if it's like being with the kids, you know, whatever. Like, she's so fun, creative, and I just. I just knew she was gonna be an amazing mom. And it's just that moment, like you said, it's full circle. Cause the moment that we've. We've like, wanted for her.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Ginger]

And it's so exciting that it's here.

[Jeremy]

What about Abby? Abby is an incredible mom already. One of the incredible aspects of Abby is that her pregnancies are not easy.

[Ginger]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

And yet she is.

[Ginger]

She's a trooper, that girl.

[Jeremy]

Determination, endurance, next level.

[Ginger]

She's amazing. So, yeah, she. She has her kiddos that she's already, you know, chasing around Gracie and Charlie and then welcoming another one. Soon it's gonna change. They're gonna be where we are with three kids, but theirs are a bit younger. But, yeah, with the pregnancies that she has, it's just really hard. And so that's where. When I've gone through my pregnancies and I've had it hard, I always think about Abby because she is struggling through it. And I just think, man, like, that's some level of sacrifice to decide to go ahead and have another kid, knowing what you might face.

[Jeremy]

How much of it is just determination and endurance? How much of it is, like, the gift of childbirth? What I mean is, people look at your mom. She had 19 kids, and I think people think she's just in a different category of giftedness. Like, well, that she's just got this incredible gift to have kids and to raise them and invest in them. How much of that is true? And then how much is just. No, she just continually sacrifices more and more and more.

[Ginger]

Oh, I don't know. I mean, I think that for. For different siblings, I think they're all gonna have different perspectives on that. And, yeah, I think that there's just a lot of sacrifice. Even if your pregnancy is, say, like, really hard, like Abby's and Kendra's, when they're super, super hard and you're sick and you're nauseous and it's. It's not easy, then that's gonna take a lot more mentally to get there to, like, lock in and say, okay, I want to have three kids. Let's do this. And I'd imagine there are times where you're like, okay, is it worth it? Like, I don't know. Is it worth it to go through that again? And so, um. But then also, when you have easier pregnancies, it doesn't mean that, oh, it's just a breeze. You're fine, you know, because I had, you know, just an easier pregnancy compared to probably most people. And at the same time, mentally, for me, it was still hard getting through it. And then postpartum, I don't, like, do great through that. I'm not. Some people might think you do great, but mentally, every day is, like, very hard. And I'm like, wow, it feels like an out of Body experience in many ways. And so I think that the end goal of wanting to have this sweet little one and that addition to your family, once they're there, you're like, oh, wow, I couldn't imagine life without you. That's ultimately, I think, what God designed. And you can see it as a beautiful gift from God in that way, but it doesn't mean that it's gonna be easy if you have a hard or an easy pregnancy. And so, yeah, I think it's like, there's a little bit of both of that. You know, it's a. It's a fascinating thing.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. Did. Have you ever spoken to your mom in depth about her struggles with postpartum?

[Ginger]

Not fully, no. I think I should, but I. I shared with her some of the difficulties of that, even with nursing and things like that, because I want to give our little ones the best I can. And so for me, that means nursing them and giving them those nutrients from breast milk, because it's like, you know, it has so much great nutrients to offer to them, but at the same time, it's also something that. It's like, I don't enjoy it most of the time. Yeah. Here and there, it's like, oh, this is sweet, whatever. But for me, it literally feels like sacrifice. Like, I am doing this.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Ginger]

Because I know it's good for them, but I don't want to.

[Jeremy]

That's what I wonder about with you. Like, your mom.

[Ginger]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

I think that's the normal parent experience, maybe. And I Wonder, like, was Mrs. Duggar. Did. Did Mom. Did she enjoy it? Enjoy that and just go, I'm jazzed. Or was there a struggle? The struggle where she's going, okay, I'm gonna have another kid. So excited for that. But, man, I'm not looking forward to this, this and this. Yeah.

[Ginger]

I don't know. I mean, that's something that I. Yeah. It would be a conversation.

[Jeremy]

You've talked about some mothers who just seem like they just. They wanna have more and more kids. And I wonder sometimes if that's something they just put on. On social media where it's like, everything about mothering is great, and then really they're struggling or suffering or like this because the sacrifice, real sacrifice, costs something. Right. And every mother is sacrificing. Maybe it's sometimes just a person's outlook. Like they're just constantly pessimistic, beaten down. Others are just built to be constantly optimistic. And so even the sacrifice, they're going, well, this is great. You know, it's interesting, though, to see the different approaches to motherhood.

[Ginger]

Yeah, there's. It's funny because I can look at it and say, oh, yeah. There are some people who just live for it and they love it. A lot of people like different seasons of kids as well. Like, they gravitate towards the newborn stage. They gravitate towards toddler stage or teen years. It's like their jam is how they. They, like, click in and they're, like, feeling their best, and they can't wait for that stage. So for me, newborn stage is very, like. It's sweet when they're tiny, but also I'm afraid I'm like, oh, no, they're so tiny. I don't want to go out too much because they could get sick. I don't want to. Yeah, I need to nurse them, but I don't like to nurse, but I'm going to do it anyways. And so I nursed all the kids. I never pumped. I was never one of those moms who could figure that out. I never did formula to this point. I haven't. I might do it with Finn. I've kind of been back and forth. If he didn't have a dairy potential, dairy issue. I might have tried that earlier. But it's like all those things, right? We're just constantly navigating what's best for our baby. And that stresses me out as a mom. I just feel like constantly, like, in a panic about it at times where.

[Jeremy]

I'm like, it's funny, the little things just opt.

[Ginger]

Should I not. Like, he gets a rash. What do I do for the rash? It's not going away. Is it detergent?

[Jeremy]

It's little things in life, like, it doesn't stop because then the kids. You're thinking about the dentist and you're thinking about the toothpaste or, you know, how much sugar intake. You're thinking about their sleep, when they wake up, when they go to bed, when.

[Ginger]

What school should we do.

[Jeremy]

All these little things and they mount up and you realize there's this constant anxiety in parenting. And not like the wrong kind of anxiety. Like, that's driven from a lack of trust in the Lord, the right kind of anxiety of just going, okay. This requires so much thought and effort and intentionality and sacrifice on the smallest things which become big things like that. You know, I've never thought about a kid's teeth. And then I have kids, and you still don't think about it until they hit two years old or three or actually earlier than that, you start brushing their teeth and you start realizing, oh, my goodness, dental hygiene for a three year old. You know, there's so much involved and then you don't want to.

[Ginger]

It's a pain to get them to floss. It's like, how do you teach that? I don't know. Yeah, there's.

[Jeremy]

There's so many different aspects to it that just melts up.

[Ginger]

But this is the thing I have to say, because the world often looks at kids and says, well, then forget it. I'm not having any kids. I'm gonna live my life for myself. And so I often think about that. I'm like, what is the switch off? Because yes, there are days where you're in the trenches and you're like, what the heck are we doing? We have screaming kids. They're all screaming at the same time. They're upset. I need to make a meal. The house is a mess. Somebody's coming over. What do I do? And then you look at that and it calms down. And then you're like looking at pictures on your phone of your kids as they're asleep. I do that too all the time. Whenever we're trying to watch a show, you're like, just let me watch the show. But I'm like, look at this.

[Jeremy]

Well, here's what happens is you spend most of the day with them. I come home from work, we spend time together, and then we finally get them to bed and it's like, okay, this is us time. So then what Ginger wants to do is recount the whole day with them on how hard it was. And I'm going, but this is the time to recover from that. So let's deal with that later. Let's recover from that. But if our recovering from that time is just a recounting of all the difficulties, but sometimes you don't know when.

[Ginger]

We'Re going to recover. Sometimes you need to. And that's how I process it.

[Jeremy]

You know what you said, you said, you know, the feeling can be, what are we doing? Let me just live for ourself. And the framework that the Bible gives is what you're doing is loving. Yeah, like not loving, like an aspect. It is love. You are loving in the sacrifice. Because love, there's aspects of love, but the deepest, most profound aspect of love is agape love, which is self sacrificial love. And whenever, well, not anytime, but often in wedding sermons, I'll draw to 1 Corinthians 13 to make the point that love, how is it defined? It's selfless. Love is patient. Love is kind Love does not keep a record of wrongdoing. Love is selfless in the face of difficulty, and it gives of itself. It expends itself. It sacrifices itself for others. And if you think back to all of the people that have made an impact in your life, you're going to think back to that first grade teacher, or you're going to think back to that pastor or that best friend you had growing up, or your mom and dad. And you think back and ask the question, why were they so impactful in my life? Because of how they loved me? Was it because of how self absorbed they were? Impatient, unkind, cruel? How they kept a record of all the things you did wrong and then threw it in your face? You'd say, no, it was the opposite. They were so patient with me. They were generous with me when I didn't deserve it. They were merciful to me. They showed me grace. And you realize my life has been shaped by love, genuine, sacrificial love of others, and ultimately the love of Christ, who's given us the greatest display in the gospel of grace and mercy, bringing us into his family. So then we have the opportunity to show that to others. A life lived not loving and actually rejecting love because it's hard is probably a life being lived by someone who's not genuinely been loved, either on a human level, or they're just like, really selfish and take but don't want to give, or on a spiritual level, or they've not. They've not received the love of God, so they don't have that love to give. And parenting brings it out. It's hard. And yet it's love. You are doing love in parenting. You're laying your life down for others. And to think, like, those moments where you're looking at pictures of them, you know, or you're reflecting on them after a hard day, they're going to look back one day and at some, like, cheap anniversary celebration, you know, when mom and dad celebrate 25 years at Olive Garden and they gather a few friends around.

[Ginger]

We're not celebrating at Olive Garden.

[Jeremy]

I know, but then they're going to get up and say something, you know, in front of those 20 friends and say, you know, my mom, you know, she always poured her life into ours, and you're going to start crying. And those words are going to have such deep, powerful, profound meaning. Because those words at the Olive garden for their 25th wedding anniversary are being borne out right now. In the days where you want to rip your hair out, when, you know, Finn has a Messy diaper, Evie's screaming, Felicity, you know, can't figure something out. And you're just going, ah, well, how you choose to respond in those moments is building the house of love that's going to impact the rest of their lives. And just brick by brick, it's those little moments, brick by brick, we're laying and building this home that they'll look back on and go, hey, mom and dad, thank you for building that life for me. But it was those little bricks. And, you know, sometimes as a bricklayer, the sun is hot, your back is sore, but you just keep laying those bricks. That's love. That's what it means to love. And that's the most rewarding, fulfilling life. So, yeah, you know, reject having kids, go ski the Alps, say, I don't have to worry about, you know, kids, dental hygiene. You know, forget all that. I'm going to live free, Live for me. That's your choice. But you're going to miss out on life. You're going to miss out on the richness of leaving a legacy with generations to come and pour in your life and really doing to others what Christ has done for you, which has laid his life down so that you could live. That's what parenting is. You lay your life down to give them life abundantly.

[Ginger]

Yeah. And I think, like, navigating all those things with a balance, too, is helpful because I think that you do such a good job of that, too. Like, you do encourage me to, like, take breaks, too, and, like, okay, go out for a night and go hang out with the girls, like, go out with their mom friends, get dinner, whatever we do, like, watch a movie. We'll do that often. And I think it's helpful because then you get those little breathers. Especially in motherhood when there's so much happening and you're in the trenches with the newborn and it's just a lot. We need those breaks so we can jump back in and see how sweet it is, too. Because I think that, yes, you can lay down your life and sacrifice and love and God will give you grace even if you don't have those breaks. But it is helpful, like, let people help you in this season so you can be more, like, engaged. And it's not like you have to have those things. I'm not trying to say that, but at the same time, it's like allowing other people to step in and help you. If that's, like, you're having a hard day, somebody offers to bring you a meal, say yes. Somebody offers to clean your house. Go for it. Like, you know, don't recognize because I've turned it down a lot. I still do some days, but sometimes I realize, okay, I need to allow people to help me in this season. And then it, like, frees you up and you're, like, able to catch your breath again. So it's good.

[Jeremy]

Well, we're excited for Abby. We're excited for Jana. The, the clan keeps growing. We're Getting towards that 24 billion number of Duggar descendants. Guys, thanks for tuning in. Thanks for hanging out. There's always, there's always new news with the Duggar clan because the families just.

[Ginger]

Keep growing, never ending.

[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jeremy]

Grateful for you guys tuning in. Grateful for you guys listening and have a great week. We'll see you next week.