How TV Changed the Plaths, Lydia’s Prayer Closet, & Her Sister’s Choice Not to Film | Lydia Plath Q&A

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Jinger & Jeremy Podcast

Episode: How TV Changed the Plaths, Lydia’s Prayer Closet, & Her Sister’s Choice Not to Film | Lydia Plath Q&A
Date: September 10, 2025
Guests: Lydia (Plath) Wise and Zach Wise
Hosts: Jinger Vuolo, Jeremy Vuolo

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Overview

This episode is a lively, insightful Q&A with Lydia (Plath) Wise and her husband, Zach Wise—familiar faces from TLC’s “Welcome to Plathville.” Jinger and Jeremy, former reality TV stars themselves, dig into the behind-the-scenes realities of life on TV, navigating faith and family rifts in the public eye, and the unique upbringing Lydia experienced. The conversation spans their approaches to modesty, family traditions, dealing with social media negativity, and foundational faith journeys, peppered with laughter and a warm, candid tone.

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Key Topics and Insights

1. Life On Reality TV: Parallels & Differences

• Similar Childhoods, Different Motivations:
  • Jinger and Lydia reflect on growing up in large families under conservative upbringing and in front of cameras, noting both similarities and key distinctions—especially in the “why” behind their parents’ choices.
  • Lydia: “My parents made it clear…we’re raising you guys this way because we feel, you know, the Lord has led us…But it’s not like, ‘if we step outside of this, we’re outside of God’s will’ type of thing.” (04:03)
• Comparisons to the Duggars:
  • Lydia frequently received questions about parallels between her family and the Duggars and clarified that while there were similarities, there were many differences, particularly less emphasis on religious legalism.

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2. Modesty, Upbringing, and Finding Personal Style

• Dress Codes Weren’t Dogma:
  • Lydia explains that wearing dresses or skirts was practical and a result of her mother’s preferences, not strict doctrine.
  • “It wasn’t a heavy emphasis, but … my mom just went shopping for us … when I was 13, 14, started picking out my own clothes … So there was never like a mindset that I had to shift.” (05:24)
• Evolution of Modesty:
  • Lydia found her own comfort and style over the years, growing out of early discomfort with certain clothes on her own terms.

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3. Lightning Round: Fun Couple Insights

(07:02-16:43)

• Who’s the better cook? Lydia. Favorite meal: tortellini soup and pasta.
• More likely to cry during a movie? Lydia, but lately struggled to. “I purposely watched the Titanic so that I could cry and then I didn’t cry and I was going to cry because I didn’t cry...” (07:59)
• Introvert or extrovert? Both are extroverts but enjoy quiet moments, too.
• Who survives in the woods? Both have survival skills, Lydia is the go-to for camping.
• Favorite date night? Dressing up at home for a fancy dinner. (16:21)

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4. Reality TV Representation & Impact

Accuracy of “Welcome to Plathville”

• Score: “I would probably give it like a 7 or 8 because it’s accurate as far as storyline goes. But … it’s edited … Some things can be taken out of context and edited and dramatized…” (17:38)
• Editing & Drama:
  • Lydia recognizes that editing compresses lives into episodes, often losing nuance and adding drama.
  • “You can have the best storytellers, the best actors, it’s still not going to tell the full story…” (18:57)

Positive Aspects of Being on TV

Good things that resulted:

• Spiritual growth: “For me, it really drew me closer to the Lord.” (19:51)
• Freedom & Opportunity: Ability to travel and have a wider platform: “It’s given us a lot of freedom to have our jobs, but also to be able to travel." (19:51)
• Revealing character: Being in the public eye exposes true character (20:48).

Jinger adds:

• “It provided a lot of opportunities for travel…to have a voice to speak into other people’s lives in a very real way, because … that’s something you are given and looking at as a stewardship.” (22:39)

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5. Family Traditions & Holidays

• What traditions would carry on?
  • Lydia’s family didn’t celebrate many holidays (notably Christmas) or keep many traditions for many years except a Thanksgiving beach trip featuring her grandmother’s lasagna (25:45).
  • Zach’s family: spontaneous and fun, did Elf on the Shelf, gingerbread houses, fireworks (29:24).
  • “Leaving a legacy of fun,” not rigid traditions.

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6. Faith Journey & The Famous Prayer Closet

(32:04-39:38)

• Lydia shares a powerful testimony of coming to faith at 8, being baptized at 9, and seeking a deeper relationship with God from age 12.
  • “The Lord just drew me to himself…I didn't have a role model to follow necessarily…I was reading any autobiographies and biographies I could get my hands on of, you know, missionaries…” (32:08)
• Prayer closet:
  • Became a symbol on the show and in real life. No longer present in her current home, but the family keeps a “prayer wall” for scriptures and prayer requests now.
  • Lydia: “I chose my room based off of the closet. I walked in the closet and I was like, this is a prayer closet right here." (36:35)
  • Felt tension about it being filmed: “I don’t want to show this in a way of … praying to be seen by others … The Lord knew I wasn’t praying for [show].” (38:44)

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7. Navigating Drama & Family Rifts On (& Off) Camera

• “Love and honor go hand in hand. And whether someone’s right or wrong about something, you can still honor them … If it comes to a point where by not standing up for someone … that’s not honoring anymore…” (40:11)
• On negativity and social media “hate”:
  • Zach: “A lot of times, the things you can't control often bring the most stress … what I can control is how I love, how I care for someone, how I present myself…” (41:46, 43:19)
  • Jeremy: “You realize pretty quickly … what a sad life, that they're actually going about their day, logging onto an app … just to rip [someone] apart.” (45:06)
  • Lydia: “You know the truth … you know, why are you letting other people who don’t know anything about you … affect you?” (46:20)

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8. Has TV Changed the Family?

“It brings out what’s really deep down.” (49:26)

• Some siblings who appeared as “great Christians” reacted differently under the spotlight.
• Lydia: “It has changed my family in the fact that I think it’s just brought to light what’s been deep down in each individual.” (49:26)
• Jinger: “Anything in life that reveals ourselves, even to ourselves, that's the greatest thing that can happen…” (51:04)
• “If some of my siblings feel like the Christian life was boring, I totally understand why you don't want a part in that. But my personal walk with the Lord has been anything but boring.” (52:56)

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9. Education & Future Parenting

• Lydia was homeschooled, Zach went to public school.
• On kids: Not pregnant yet ("Are you?" "No!"), planning to wait before having children (53:17-53:33).
• On schooling: Will take it “step by step” but lean toward hands-on involvement and maybe “roadschooling”—traveling and learning on the go (54:02).
• Zach: “If it’s a good school that we can trust, absolutely. I want my kids to have interactions with other kids, be social…” (54:24) Public schools would require careful vetting.
• Lydia: “If I was to put my children in … public school, I would need to know that the Lord is in it…” (56:06)

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10. Lydia’s Sister’s Choice Not to Film

• Lydia’s older sister never appeared on the show; Lydia admires and understands that boundary:
  • “I have been so jealous of her … for choosing this. Her and her husband just chose to not be a part of the show … I respect so much and love her so much. She's amazing.” (56:51)

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11. Sibling Dynamics & Staying Close

• Closest with her youngest siblings, especially Mercy (who calls Lydia “Mom”): “Ever since the day she started walking, that’s when I started having baby fever.” (58:28)
• Staying close is hard with far-flung siblings, despite regular phone check-ins.
• Fun moment: Testing Zach to name all Plath siblings in order (60:06)—nearly but not quite.

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12. Big Families—Wants for the Future

• “Do you both want a big family?”
  • “I think we want at least three.” – Zach
  • “Three to five.” – Lydia (62:44)
  • Not as big as their own, but enough for adventure!

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13. Connections & What’s Next

• How Jinger and Lydia connected: Instagram DMs, shared conservative upbringing, and TLC crossover—leading to rapid friendship. (63:28-65:49)
• Looking ahead: Season 7 of "Welcome to Plathville" airs July 22. The Wises are working toward routine, enjoying being newlyweds, and contemplating their own podcast. (66:10)

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Notable Quotes

• On editing and reality: “It’s accurate … but you also gotta remember, it’s edited. And some things are just from someone’s perspective … can be taken out of context and edited and, you know, dramatized.” – Lydia (17:38)
• On the impact of fame: “When you’re in the public eye, period, it’s gonna bring out what’s deep down ... So in a way, like, that’s been hard seeing what’s really come out of people, you know, people you thought you could love and trust.” – Lydia (19:51, 20:48)
• On spiritual authenticity: “If some of my siblings feel like the Christian life was boring … I totally understand why you don't want any part in that. But my personal walk with the Lord has been anything but boring.” – Lydia (52:56)
• On online hate: “You know the truth … you know who we are ... why are you letting other people who don’t know anything about you, or this much about you—little—why are you letting them affect you?” – Lydia (46:20)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:00 – Navigating drama in family you’re not part of
• 02:19 – Lydia on being on TV since 15
• 05:02 – Modesty/skirts discussion
• 07:02 – Lightning round: fun/couple questions
• 17:38 – How accurately does TLC portray the family?
• 19:51 – Good things from being on TV
• 25:45 – Family traditions & Christmas discussion
• 32:04 – Lydia’s testimony and prayer closet
• 40:11 – Navigating drama and staying neutral
• 45:06 – Handling hate on social media
• 49:26 – How TV changed the family
• 53:17 – Plans for children & education
• 56:51 – Lydia’s sister’s decision not to be filmed
• 58:28 – Which siblings Lydia is closest to now
• 62:44 – How many kids do they want?
• 63:28 – How Jinger and Lydia connected
• 66:10 – What’s next for the Wises

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Closing Thoughts

Through heartfelt, candid conversation, this episode brings rare perspective on how reality TV shapes families and faith, how to discern what’s real versus what’s produced, and how four young adults are navigating relationships, social scrutiny, and the meaning of living authentically and faithfully in full view.

If you're interested in family, faith, or just want to know what it's really like to grow up on TV, this episode is both relatable and genuinely encouraging.

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Transcript

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[Lydia Wise]

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[Ginger]

This question here, talking about the drama side of it. It's like, how do you navigate drama and rifts in your family that you are not involved in?

[Lydia Wise]

In a way like, that's been hard seeing what's really come out of people, you know, people you thought you could love and trust. Yeah, we didn't celebrate, like, when it comes to holidays, we didn't celebrate many holidays, really. So Christmas. No, we didn't celebrate Christmas. Did you guys?

[Ginger]

Yeah, we did.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Why was that?

[Lydia Wise]

Which my parents just had their perspectives on it. Which part of me is like, yeah.

[Jeremy]

I mean, yeah, this is from Ellen. She said, on a scale of 1 to 10, how accurately would you say the show portrayed your family?

[Lydia Wise]

Ooh, that's a good one.

[Jeremy]

What's going on, guys? We're back for another episode. Ginger and Jeremy here. Thanks for hanging out for another podcast. And what's up, Lynch?

[Ginger]

We are not here alone. We have some guests back. Thanks for our fan favorites.

[Jeremy]

Oh, big time.

[Ginger]

Lydia and Zach Plath wise. Zach was never a Plath, but.

[Jeremy]

And now they're both wise.

[Ginger]

They're both.

[Zach Wise]

He has made me given her some wisdom, I guess.

[Lydia Wise]

Oh, it's been a pleasure doing these podcasts with you guys and I'm excited for another one. We love it.

[Jeremy]

It's been a long time.

[Lydia Wise]

Been having a blast.

[Zach Wise]

We'll be back for sure.

[Ginger]

Yes. Hopefully you will. So for those of you who don't know who they are, Lydia was On TV for many years, still is. Age of 15 all the way until present. And so she's still filming on tlc, so we have that in common.

[Lydia Wise]

And. Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. Other similarities, too, like big families.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

And I think a ton of people. So we're gonna get to listener questions today.

[Lydia Wise]

Okay. No, one thing I gotta say. Last night, Ginger and I were having a blast on the drive home from the beach talking about all the movies we watched growing up and the similarities we had. It's so of, like. But certain age group or certain age we got to. Then started watching the black and whites and the old Westerns and even, like, the radio shows. We listened to everything.

[Ginger]

They were all the same. It was so crazy. I was like, no other person probably would understand that, like, the. The most random things that we were allowed to watch and then other things that were, like.

[Lydia Wise]

Like, really random things. Like. Like, we, like, sheltered and not allowed to watch too much, but yet I'm watching. What was it?

[Ginger]

The Matrix.

[Lydia Wise]

Matrix. Yes.

[Jeremy]

Oh, wow.

[Lydia Wise]

Like, I'm, you know, sheltered and don't watch anything, but yet watching the Matrix. Just random movies like that.

[Zach Wise]

Well, yeah, you guys were, like, going to town on this. And then I bring up a show. It was, like, in the 70s, and you guys were like, oh, that's past our time.

[Ginger]

Well, it had color. It was not black and white. It was in color. We were like, oh, no.

[Zach Wise]

Anything with color is past their time.

[Jeremy]

So what's really funny is. Well, I have a question, I guess, before we get to the listener questions. Was it ever brought up to you before we connected? Were the Duggars ever brought up to you, like, oh, you guys are like the Duggars. Or similarities or questions like, are you like the Duggars?

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah. People would ask, like, oh, you're on a show like the Duggars. And I think a lot of people just assume that we knew each other because, I don't know, people like to put people in boxes and be like, oh, this category. You know, all the categories and everything. But I feel like there was a lot of comparison. There is. There is. Oh, there is a lot of similarities, yet so many differences. Like, I feel like our childhoods might look similar on the outsides. My parents made it clear to us, like, we're raising you guys this way because we feel, you know, the Lord has led us to homeschool, and the Lord has led us in these things. But it's not like, this is the scripture and this is how, you know, like, if we step outside of this, we're outside of God's will type of thing.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, less of like a religious culture, driving, maybe some of like. Cause people are gonna see the similarities of being sheltered.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Like, it is cute. Like you guys in the car talking about all the shows you watched and didn't watch, you know, and there's a similarity, but some of the motivation was different in that.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

So like, you guys weren't part of IBLP and Bill Gothard and all of that. Yeah, I think a lot of people assume you were.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah, yeah. No, I didn't know really anything about that until just a few years ago.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, a lot of people. So this is a question people would get to, but is like about modesty. Like, did you only wear skirts? How have your views on modesty changed? That sort of thing. Was that a heavy emphasis in your home?

[Lydia Wise]

It wasn't a heavy emphasis, but yet I don't know. It's. So, yes, we grew up wearing skirts and dresses for the most part. But the best way I can describe it is like my mom just went shopping for us when we were little. Cause you know, five year olds don't shop for themselves most of the time unless they do. And so we just like grew up wearing dresses that my mom bought us. But like my mom would wear pants. So it's not like, I don't know, it was not like I was never. Yeah, it was never like off limits. So like when I, you know, was 13, 14, started picking out my own clothes and stuff. You know, I especially like gonna be out in the summer or out in the heat in the summertime, painting for five hours every day, like, yeah, I'm gonna get some shorts. But it wasn't like, oh my goodness, I'm wearing shorts type of thing. It was just like, okay, well this is gonna call for this so I can wear this. So. And then just as I grew up, sort of humidity.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, for sure.

[Lydia Wise]

As I grew up just exploring, you know, just finding my own style. And there was a stage in my life where I was like, okay, I've worn dresses this whole time and I know, like, I want to get to where I have my own style, but I don't know what that looks like. And so I was uncomfortable in certain things. And like dresses that were too showy or shorts that were too short or things like, it took a long time for me to like find my style and get my comfort in that. But it was never like a. I don't know, it wasn't like a mindset that I had to shift if that Makes sense for sure. Yeah, it's more just like growing in style and comfort.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. Okay, so here's what we should do. I've got a lightning round questions to go through the two of you and then we'll get into the listener round. Well, these would be fun for us too. Jenny.

[Lydia Wise]

No, I'm kidding.

[Jeremy]

But these are rapid fire questions and you need to answer about each other. Who's the better cook?

[Zach Wise]

Who's the better cook? Her by far.

[Jeremy]

You both agree?

[Zach Wise]

Yes, I can cook some stuff.

[Ginger]

What meal?

[Lydia Wise]

What's your favorite meal to cook?

[Zach Wise]

She makes. Oh, what was it? She makes a mean pasta.

[Lydia Wise]

The tortellini soup.

[Zach Wise]

Ooh, a pasta. Or the soups. There's vegetables soups or the pasta. Those two.

[Lydia Wise]

I just made a normal pasta dish and he was like, this is so good.

[Ginger]

That's Jeremy with the pasta.

[Jeremy]

I know, but like rigatoni with meatballs.

[Zach Wise]

They season it perfectly.

[Lydia Wise]

I'm like, so Azak can make some great chicken Alfredo too.

[Ginger]

Okay, there you go.

[Jeremy]

Well, that's the best. I can't.

[Zach Wise]

It's easy. I'll teach you.

[Jeremy]

More likely to cry during a movie.

[Lydia Wise]

She is. Although lately I haven't been able to cry during movies and it's been really upsetting. Like I purposely watched the Titanic so that I could cry and then I didn't cry and I was going to cry because I didn't cry cuz I really wanted to cry.

[Zach Wise]

When did this happen?

[Lydia Wise]

So a few months ago it was back.

[Jeremy]

That was all going on in the mind I met you.

[Ginger]

I feel like it's.

[Jeremy]

She goes, a few months ago and you're married and she goes, before I met you?

[Lydia Wise]

Actually, no, I think it was more like September. No, it was probably November.

[Ginger]

It's like 90 day.

[Jeremy]

We hadn't met you.

[Zach Wise]

This was a few months.

[Lydia Wise]

It came out wrong. I think it was like November that I did that.

[Zach Wise]

Okay, so you're just home.

[Lydia Wise]

Maybe it was. Maybe it might have been May. So before I met you, I'm almost not letting you know.

[Ginger]

Turn to rapid fire. Because I was gonna say part of that might be because you see the production side of it. You know, the Titanic is a real event, but you see the production side and you're like, these are actors.

[Lydia Wise]

Well, no, if I'm gonna be honest, I don't wanna spoil the Titanic for anyone. It's.

[Zach Wise]

Cause it's amazing.

[Jeremy]

Everyone knows what happened.

[Zach Wise]

Get emotional.

[Lydia Wise]

No, but like for people who love the Titanic and get wrapped up in the love story and anything. The reason why I couldn't get emotionally attached. Why I didn't cry is it was like an affair to me. It looks like an affair was going on. It didn't look like a romance love story, you know, like, if. Whereas, like, the Notebook, that could be another episode that will rip your heart out. Because, like, just they've known each other their entire life, and it's like a beautiful love story. I was watching the Titanic just, like, it just didn't catch me. Cause it felt like an affair.

[Zach Wise]

Why wasn't Jack on the door? There was room.

[Lydia Wise]

Well, yeah, there was that too. Jack, get on the door.

[Jeremy]

Sure. Room on the door. Who's an introvert? Who's an extrovert?

[Zach Wise]

Extrovert.

[Lydia Wise]

Extrovert. Unless I want to be introvert. No, I'm an extrovert. Except at times, I'm introvert.

[Zach Wise]

She can be introverted.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

How do you guys recharge after, like, a weekend like this where we're all spending days together?

[Lydia Wise]

How do you retrace my recharge is this right here. It's the best. Your pillow Best pillow, best source of energy best.

[Zach Wise]

She'll, like.

[Lydia Wise]

How long is everything?

[Zach Wise]

She'll be all, satchel, I need cuddles. And I'm just like, okay, cool.

[Lydia Wise]

Who do you.

[Zach Wise]

You have this answer for me, or I guess you answered for yourself. So mine is. What is my recharge? I don't know. Honestly.

[Lydia Wise]

Food, Sleep.

[Zach Wise]

Food. Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Like, do you need to be alone to feel like, okay, let's go again. Or are you good just.

[Zach Wise]

No, I'm honestly, neither.

[Lydia Wise]

We're both people. Give us energy.

[Jeremy]

Well, when we invited you guys out here, I was like, yeah, come hang out. Stay with us. We can show you, like, you can head downtown la. You can spend time, you know, exploring. And you were like, well, we're people. Person people, so we'll just hang out with you guys.

[Zach Wise]

It's like, great.

[Lydia Wise]

Especially the children. Is like, watching Zach with the children.

[Zach Wise]

I'm just like, yeah, there's that. What recharges her seeing me with a baby? Apparently. No, but yeah, I've gone 36 hours without sleep because I'm with people consistently. As soon as I'm without people, I'm out. Yeah, you'll just nap, sleep and food and people.

[Jeremy]

Okay, what's one quirk you've discovered about each other?

[Zach Wise]

One quirk. She talks in baby voice a lot.

[Lydia Wise]

No, you do. You started that whole thing.

[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

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[Ginger]

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[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

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[Jeremy]

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[Ginger]

Now back to the episode.

[Lydia Wise]

We talk to each other in baby gibberish all the time. Maybe just because we have baby fever. And we're like, well, we're not going to have children now, so we better act like children to take care of them.

[Ginger]

You can act like children, have children.

[Lydia Wise]

You totally were the one that started that.

[Zach Wise]

Every time I tell her something we.

[Lydia Wise]

Can'T give away, we can't give away our secret, secret language that's just for us.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Zach Wise]

No, we don't need season seven.

[Lydia Wise]

You don't want to hear it either.

[Jeremy]

There'll be a hot mic on this.

[Ginger]

People are really tuned into TLC now for that, so I love it.

[Lydia Wise]

Let's go.

[Jeremy]

So no quirks? Nothing that's like.

[Lydia Wise]

There hasn't really been anything that's like.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah, I don't know. Nothing really sticks out, but we just have fun.

[Ginger]

I like it.

[Zach Wise]

We just enjoy time together.

[Jeremy]

If you were stranded in the woods for 24 hours, who survives and why?

[Lydia Wise]

I would survive. He would survive because I'd be with.

[Ginger]

Him if he brings snacks.

[Jeremy]

Right, the tennis boy, he's gonna die in the woods. I mean, it lines up with the story. Well, no, hold on, though. You were raised on a farm, but this is a mountain man over here.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy]

He took you on the 14ers.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah, but we would need each other.

[Ginger]

He was chasing her up the mountain because she's so fast.

[Jeremy]

That's true.

[Ginger]

She just needs snacks. You're not wrong.

[Zach Wise]

But it's also nice you bring the snacks. I was prepared for everything. I was like, hey, you need to eat food, you need to drink water, all this stuff. If she didn't do that, she would have been, like, gone. So it's like, I do the preparation and she just goes for it.

[Lydia Wise]

It all depends on where we're stranded, I guess.

[Jeremy]

Are you a sur? Like, could you actually survive? Like, make a shelter or make fire, all that?

[Lydia Wise]

Well, all my friends who have ever gone camping with me have always said, okay, if I'm ever stranded, Lydia's the one who I want to be with.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah, I can survive.

[Jeremy]

How many days, did a lot of.

[Zach Wise]

Camping and stuff like that?

[Jeremy]

How many days do you guys think you'd survive on alone if you were by yourself?

[Lydia Wise]

Like, what country am I? Like, what land am I in? Like, in the desert?

[Jeremy]

Let's say it's animals around. It's Patagonia. Winter's approaching and you're alone. You know the show alone?

[Lydia Wise]

I do, but I've never watched it.

[Jeremy]

So they drop these survivalists in a land like Patagonia or Mongolia.

[Lydia Wise]

I could watch that.

[Jeremy]

And then whoever survives the longest without, like, evacing out gets 500 grand or whatever.

[Ginger]

That's kind of fun to watch.

[Jeremy]

So how many? And they have 10 items they can bring. So they bring, like, a knife, you know, that kind of thing. How are you? How many days are you making in Patagonia?

[Zach Wise]

That's a lot. I'd say. I give it five days.

[Jeremy]

Okay.

[Lydia Wise]

I was gonna say a week.

[Jeremy]

Okay. Neither of you are winning the 500 grand. I just want you to know. Okay, next question. What's your go to song to sing in the car together?

[Zach Wise]

The end, probably the end is a.

[Lydia Wise]

Good one by Cody Friday. Yeah, try that one.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah, that was like our. That's kind of our story emulation of our story kind of song.

[Jeremy]

Shout out. Cody Fry.

[Lydia Wise]

Yes. Thanks.

[Jeremy]

All right, last question. What's your current favorite thing to do on a date night?

[Zach Wise]

Dress up.

[Lydia Wise]

Yes, dress up.

[Zach Wise]

You love to dress up.

[Jeremy]

Oh, you mean just like, dress up? Like. Like suit, tie, dress up and stay home?

[Zach Wise]

Like, we don't go out. We love to just like.

[Lydia Wise]

Like. I got home from work one night, Zach had got roses with candles, made a nice dinner, and I was like, I can go dress up. So we dressed up. He was in his suit, and we had dinner at home.

[Jeremy]

Okay. I say great job.

[Zach Wise]

That was the lightning round.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. That was a good little warmup for you guys.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

So now these are listener questions that people sent in, and it's crazy. There are hundreds, probably thousands of questions sent in.

[Lydia Wise]

Really?

[Jeremy]

So people are very curious about your life, Lydia, and yours as well, Zach, and they're curious about your life together. I will say this curiosity for everyone who asked questions. Thank you so much for sending your questions in.

[Lydia Wise]

Yes.

[Jeremy]

The questions that were like, how did you guys meet and tell us your love story? Go listen to those episodes that we did because you guys gave us all the good details on that.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah, we got some good.

[Jeremy]

But there were some really good questions. And honestly, Ginge, as I was reading these questions, I was like, my goodness, it would be good for you and I to do a Q and A about your perspective on some of these things. But we're going to focus on Zach and Lydia and a lot having to do with the show. Welcome to Plathville and all that. So I'm going to start out with one about that. And this is from Ellen. She said, on a scale of 1 to 10, how accurately would you say the show portrayed your family?

[Lydia Wise]

Ooh, that's a good one. Okay. I would probably give it like a 7 or 8 because it's accurate as far as storyline goes. But you Also gotta remember, it's edited. And some things are just from someone's perspective of some, you know, so it's like, it's accurate when it goes to storyline and life. But there are also some things that I'm like, well, I said that, but I didn't say that. You know, some things can be taken out of context and edited and, you know, dramatized. Dramatized, but still, like, storyline wise, you know, pretty accurate. I'd give it a seven or eight.

[Jeremy]

Were you ever worried about, like, tv? Obviously they need to get a hook. You've seen, you've watched tv and you see, like, coming up next, and they have this real dramatic moment.

[Zach Wise]

Right.

[Jeremy]

Like, that's just the nature of television.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

If the reality TV was like, coming up next, like, Lydia and Zach sitting at their counter eating lunch, people would be like, why would we watch that?

[Zach Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

But were there any moments where you were like, because you didn't watch all the shows, but were there any times where you're like, hey, that's not what happened, or like, you know, I don't know, like, overly dramatized?

[Lydia Wise]

I think for me, watching it is just like, okay, maybe that drama happened. But there was so much more to it.

[Jeremy]

Sure.

[Lydia Wise]

More context than just the drama. So it was accurate, but it wasn't like you couldn't actually see the full picture because, I mean, you can't really edit someone's life. 100% accurate in 45 minutes. It's just not possible. You can have the best storytellers, the best actors. It's still not going to tell the full story. So it can be accurate, but still not accurate. And then also sometimes they would put something in that I said, and I was like, well, that was a part of what I said. But I said something much better and deeper right after that.

[Ginger]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Hey, I have a question that I'd like. This is from Ellen. Maybe the same Ellen, but I think Eugen could answer this one as well. I'd be really curious to hear both of your thoughts on this.

[Lydia Wise]

Yes.

[Jeremy]

What are some good. And she capitalized good. What are some good things that resulted from your family's decision to be on tlc?

[Lydia Wise]

Ooh.

[Ginger]

Go ahead.

[Lydia Wise]

That's a good question. For me, it really drew me closer to the Lord. That was a good thing. It's given us a lot of freedom to have our jobs, but also to be able to travel. And I think so. I think with the show, just when you're in the public eye, period, it's gonna bring out what's deep down. So if there's unhealthy relationship that maybe looks okay, but it's actually not, deep down it's gonna come out. Or if, you know, someone seems like they're a good Christian, a good Christian and have it put together on the outside, well, then you're in the public eye. You're oppressed. You're, you know, picture on every side. What's truly inside is going to come out. So in a way, like, that's been hard seeing what's really come out of people, you know, people you thought you could love and trust.

[Ginger]

We want to take a break from this episode to tell you about Cozy Earth.

[Jeremy]

Okay. We've got a family tradition. Every Saturday morning, the girls jump in bed and they join you and me. And then we bring little Finn in as well. He's not old enough to jump in bed yet, and we watch cartoons. And Cozy Earth has made that family tradition a lot more comfortable.

[Ginger]

Oh, yeah, it has. The girls, actually, Felicity requested Cozy Earth sheets for her bed after we had first got them and she was like, I need a set for my bed. So now we have them on almost every bed in the house. And when our guests come, they always ask us where to get these sheets. And guys, look at this. It's a bubble cuddle blanket. And this thing is like luxurious.

[Jeremy]

Oh, it's weighted.

[Ginger]

Weighted. Yeah, it's like fluffy. Looks amazing too.

[Jeremy]

So here's what you need to do. Go to cozyearth.com use code ginger j I n g r for 40% off. Definitely start. If you haven't gotten anything with Cozy Earth. I would say start with this bubble cuddle blanket.

[Ginger]

Seriously, get this or get it as a gift. Get this sheets as a gift and you have a free hundred night trial and you can try out the sheets for 100 nights and then if you don't like them, send them back. But you're going to like them.

[Jeremy]

I know we always say that, but nobody's returning these sheets.

[Ginger]

Who's going to return the sheets?

[Jeremy]

So go to cozyearth.com, use code ginger. 40% off. You won't regret it. It makes luxury accessible for you. You'll really enjoy these sheets.

[Lydia Wise]

But then it's also like, okay, well, I guess we truly saw their heart. So that's been a part that I wouldn't say, like, that's a good thing. But it can be a good thing when you look at it the right way of like, well, that's not what I wanted to see. But I guess I saw their true character and I just hope and pray that my character that has come out has been the Lord, because I do hope that's what's on the inside. Yeah, for sure.

[Ginger]

Yeah. I'd say for me, there were quite a few things. I think definitely the provision of it when I was younger, it provided a lot of opportunities for travel that we wouldn't have been able to do. Travel across country with that many kids, fly to different countries. It was just special. Like, that was a huge opportunity, and then to have a voice to speak into other people's lives and very real way, because I think that's something that, like, you are given and looking at as a stewardship can be hard at times because it's. It's like a way and a responsibility that you feel. But I think just having that stewardship, hopefully able to, like you said, channel it for the Lord and then also just to give a positive light and to let people see how you can be normal and you can honor God in your everyday Life.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah, yeah, 100%. Those were the other two things I was trying to think of.

[Ginger]

Love it.

[Lydia Wise]

Being able to have the opportunity to be light and. And bring joy into the difficult situations.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. It's interesting that, you know, if you think about yourselves, and I know you have this perspective of yourselves, you just see yourself. I mean, you are just normal people.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

I mean, everybody's just a normal person, but there's. People are invested and they want to hear from you. And so seeing it as a platform and an opportunity to share truth, I think you do that really well. Ginge and Lydia, I'm seeing that you do that good as well. Like, you do that good. That's horrible. English. You do that well. As we've been getting to know you, it's cool to see you taking that stewardship as a stewardship.

[Zach Wise]

I think that's been huge with just this podcast. And also just being here with you guys, too, is like, you guys are a great example to follow in terms of how to steward it well and just what to look forward to in terms of, like, opportunities with something like this to create that not only extra freedom, but also this opportunity to make a difference in people's lives. So we really appreciate that, and I think that's been really special.

[Lydia Wise]

It's humbling, too, like, the fact that people would want to hear what I have to say. My opinions on things just like, ooh, like, Lord, help me.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. That's true. Thanks for saying that, Zach.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah.

[Ginger]

All right. I have another question for y'. All. So I think this may be for Lydia more so. But what family traditions from. Oh, yeah, from her family. Okay. Does she wish to carry into her new family?

[Lydia Wise]

Hmm.

[Ginger]

Have y' all talked about anything?

[Zach Wise]

Talk about it a little bit.

[Lydia Wise]

So my family, we didn't have too many traditions, like, that lasted my entire childhood. Like, we had our Thanksgiving tradition for, like, six years. We would rent a beach house, and my grandparents, everyone would come to the beach for a week, and we would have grandma's lasagna for Thanksgiving meal. And it was the best thing in the world. But that's not necessarily. That wasn't necessarily like a, you know, a tradition that's carried on for 20 years. Yeah, we didn't celebrate, like, when it comes to holidays. We didn't celebrate many holidays, really. So Christmas. No.

[Jeremy]

Really?

[Lydia Wise]

Did you guys.

[Ginger]

Yeah, we did.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Why was that?

[Lydia Wise]

Which my parents just had their perspectives on it, and we're just. Yeah. They didn't see the need to. So which part of me is like. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, it was just. It was normal for me.

[Zach Wise]

So we did spend our first Christmas together when we were dating.

[Lydia Wise]

This last December was our.

[Jeremy]

So you are gonna celebrate.

[Zach Wise]

Potentially.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Zach Wise]

We don't. I don't know what it's gonna look like with kids yet, but, like, I.

[Lydia Wise]

Haven'T fine tuned, like, all the things. Like, I don't think we're gonna be huge on Santa Claus because I'm not a fan of, like, I don't know.

[Zach Wise]

Making your kids believe something, you know, I don't know. My family did celebrate Christmas and we had the whole Santa Claus thing and then eventually was revealed to us like, oh, Santa Claus.

[Jeremy]

Was that traumatic for you?

[Zach Wise]

No, I think I actually figured it out. I think I saw, like, the barcode on one of my bikes or something. I'm like, hold on a minute. If he created it, there wouldn't be a barcode or something like that.

[Lydia Wise]

Oh, you were smart.

[Zach Wise]

He's a sharp cushion.

[Lydia Wise]

Why is that so mean?

[Zach Wise]

No, but I don't know, it was fun for what it was because, like, I don't know, my parents made it really fun, so.

[Jeremy]

Oh, go ahead.

[Ginger]

Oh, I was just gonna say because we had this conversation about your beach trip that you guys would do every Thanksgiving.

[Lydia Wise]

Yes.

[Ginger]

And I kind of loved that you guys had lasagna. I feel like that's just, like, a random thing to do for Thanksgiving. Like, you're not making. You're not having a turkey, you know, the stuffing, corn, mashed potatoes. You're having lasagna. And I love that because lasagna's actually better. Lasagna is good. My family had lasagna for maybe a Thanksgiving or two, but probably more so we would do it most Christmas or like special holidays like on Easter, we'd eat lasagna and it wasn't homemade. You ready for this? Stouffer's frozen lasagna.

[Jeremy]

It's so good.

[Ginger]

It's actually very good. And it was my childhood. That was my childhood. For special. Special.

[Lydia Wise]

Come on, Stouffers.

[Jeremy]

Stouffers. We'll take it. My dad, when we go up to North Jersey, there's an Italian grocery store in North Jersey that my dad, whenever he'd go up to visit his parents, my mom would always say, hey, get lasagna. She'd send them with a cooler in the back and he'd get 15, 20 of these Stouffer's lasagnas and pastas because they're like 20 bucks and they're big and they'll serve you for a week.

[Lydia Wise]

I think that's great. That sounds amazing and I'm really happy for you. But I don't think I ever had store bought lasagna till I was like 15.

[Ginger]

Well, you made it from scratch.

[Jeremy]

I appreciate you being for us.

[Zach Wise]

You were pressing the noodles before scratch.

[Lydia Wise]

Oh, see, we did make a.

[Jeremy]

Did you make the noodles?

[Lydia Wise]

No, not all the time, but I was going to say we. We did make noodles. Noodles for a season. We have our own noodle maker and would make different kinds of noodles. But it was really hard process. We also made our own tortillas, stuff like that. But those didn't last part. My whole time you'd be like, you.

[Ginger]

Are eating, you're not throwing away anything because you worked for it.

[Lydia Wise]

You like it.

[Jeremy]

So thinking about those traditions. So you had some cool family traditions that were really unique to you guys. Do you think. Excuse me. Do you think you will continue those as a wise family?

[Zach Wise]

I don't know.

[Lydia Wise]

What are your traditions, my love, that you want to incorporate in our family?

[Zach Wise]

I mean, we just had some fun games.

[Lydia Wise]

Oh, fun. That's a tradition that we're keeping forever.

[Zach Wise]

Fun. Yeah.

[Lydia Wise]

Leaving a legacy of fun.

[Jeremy]

You guys strike me as parents that are going to be spontaneous and like the spontaneity you've shown in your relationship together I think will be really fun for the kids.

[Lydia Wise]

Well, also us coming out here, we came out here a week. A week.

[Jeremy]

Oh man, drop of a hat.

[Ginger]

I love it. I love that.

[Lydia Wise]

It's so great and we love it.

[Zach Wise]

I think the big Thing. Yeah. I mean, fun. Like, we did Elf on the Shelf. We did, like, little puzzles or just would find. We would. You know, there was never a tradition that was the same. It was like, build a gingerbread house this year or, you know, go, I don't know, do some random stuff other years. And, like, I think my dad and I had more fun on the 4th of July than most other holidays.

[Lydia Wise]

That's fun.

[Zach Wise]

Just, like, basically create our own fireworks. Yeah, and we created our own fireworks. We had, like, a bunch of sparklers. Put them together, and they, like, go crazy.

[Jeremy]

Wow.

[Zach Wise]

Don't try at home. It gets dangerous sometimes.

[Lydia Wise]

So did you ever.

[Ginger]

Did you ever have any close calls with that?

[Lydia Wise]

Burn some air?

[Zach Wise]

Okay, so we had, like, the fireworks that you would, like, drop in the tube.

[Ginger]

Yep.

[Zach Wise]

And it would, like, shoot way up.

[Ginger]

Yep. Bottle rockets.

[Zach Wise]

We had multiple ones. And so there was different sizes. So there were, like, the mortar fireworks, and he put a smaller one in the big one, so it, like, shot up only, like, three feet in the air. He was standing, like, three to five feet away from it, and he just looks at it. He doesn't even turn around. He's just like, this is my time. And then it's just like, boom.

[Lydia Wise]

Whoa.

[Zach Wise]

It was fine. It didn't, like.

[Lydia Wise]

Was he wearing safety goggles or anything?

[Ginger]

Naturally not.

[Zach Wise]

My dad is just that guy.

[Ginger]

Okay.

[Zach Wise]

So that's why I'm a. Wow.

[Ginger]

That's very exciting. I love it.

[Zach Wise]

Lydia loves fire, too, by the way.

[Lydia Wise]

I was about to say California doesn't like to hear this, but it's safe in Georgia. I love fire so much.

[Zach Wise]

They would do, like, their big campfires.

[Lydia Wise]

Oh, my. Bears and campfires. Like, taller than the tree fires.

[Ginger]

Okay.

[Lydia Wise]

Trees you guys have out here at least.

[Zach Wise]

And, like, they would start fires. Well, the first few times I was out there with her, and they would do fires. Like, she would skin the forest of every branch.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah. So the fire we have is probably maybe 50ft or, I don't know, from the woods. It's close enough to the woods that when the fire is big, you can see in the woods if you have night vision. So my goal was to keep the fire big so I could see what was in the woods to bring it back. So just ongoing cycle of just how much of the woods can I clear? And I pulled Zach into it, too. He was. He was in for it. So that's when I knew he was the one.

[Jeremy]

Wow. Hey, that's a question a lot of people have asked, by the way. When did you know he's the one.

[Zach Wise]

Oh, my gosh.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah, I think we probably covered that in our.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, you did. Sure.

[Ginger]

We already got that.

[Jeremy]

Okay. Somebody just commented. I love Lydia. I think Zach can relate. She always seemed to have the spirit. What was your testimony?

[Zach Wise]

Did you.

[Jeremy]

Did you come to know Jesus at a young age?

[Lydia Wise]

I did. So, yeah. I grew up knowing who Jesus was. I gave my life to the Lord when I was 8, got baptized when I was 9. And then when I was like, 12 was when I just. The best way I can describe it is like the Lord just drew me to himself. I didn't have a role model to follow necessarily. I didn't have someone, like, really anything to look to besides Jesus. And, like, I had. I was reading any autobiographies and biographies I could get my hands on of, you know, missionaries and just seeing, like, God at work overseas and the miracles that would take place and the miraculous things that would happen. And I was like, this is the God I serve and that God I love. And I was so hungry for that that it just left me searching because I was like, I don't know why I don't see this, you know, in my daily life and why we don't see this here in America, but I know this is the same God. So it kind of just left me searching for more and more and just spending time in the Word, spending time with God. I would just go on walks anytime I had spare a spare moment growing up, just going on walks, praying, worshiping. I had one of those portable CD players, and I had. That had scripture on it, and I would just listen to it over and over again. And I could probably quote, like, the whole thing back to you because I listened to it probably at least 60 times.

[Jeremy]

Wow.

[Lydia Wise]

And so, yeah, really just developing my own relationship with the Lord from a young age. And just my prayer begin, like, at 13, 14, just like, Lord, take me where you need me, keep me where you want me, and whatever I do, whatever I say, wherever I'm at, just let others see you and hear you in me. I guess the Lord heard my prayers because I can't tell you how many times people have, like, messaged me and said word for word, what I've prayed. Like, I can see the Lord in you, even through the screen, and I can feel him when you're speaking. And it just brings me to tears sometimes because, like, Lord is so faithful. And I don't know how I ended up here, but he heard my prayers and just. I'm so thankful for those years that. And in those Times like, we were kind of in and out of fellowships, in and out of gatherings. You know, it wasn't like the first, like, actual church I was a part of is the one I'm a part of now in Tallahassee, which the Lord led me there when I was 18. And that's a whole nother beautiful story, but I've just seen God in every part of my. My journey from the time I was 12 till now and how he's led me every step of the way. That's so beautiful, because he's never led me wrong. I've never found myself in a place where I'm like, ooh, this doctrine is really off. Or, you know, it's always like, yes, this shows the heart of the Father. I see the work of the Lord's hands here, and it's just been a beautiful journey.

[Jeremy]

That's cool. So a lot of people have asked about your prayer closet.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

What's the deal with the prayer closet? Did you have a closer?

[Ginger]

Do you still have a prayer closet? That's one of the questions I just saw.

[Lydia Wise]

So in the house we're living in now, we don't have a prayer closet. We do have a wall that we're writing.

[Jeremy]

Prayer wall. Like, in Jerusalem, Scripture verse is one.

[Lydia Wise]

Yes. In our kitchen. Yeah. So the house that. So I don't know if you guys knew, but I have lived on the farm since I was 15, so we moved from the farm when I was 15. We moved into a townhouse. A house in town? Not a townhouse. We moved into a house in town, and that house was the house that had. You know, it was a huge house. We went from the one bathroom or the one shower, two half baths to. With 11. 11 people to, like, seven people with seven bathrooms. So it was a little change there.

[Jeremy]

Wait, so the show. Cause 15 is when you started.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

So the show never filmed you on the farm?

[Lydia Wise]

Oh, wait, no. We moved when I was 16. I think the first season is on the farm. After that, we moved because that's what.

[Ginger]

We would have watched. Was that first.

[Jeremy]

Yes. That person.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

And so we've seen smattering since. But why the move?

[Lydia Wise]

My mom was always looking at new houses.

[Ginger]

She.

[Lydia Wise]

She's the one that has all the ideas, everything. And my dad was the one that sifted through. So after probably. This is probably the 50th house she brought to him, and we were all like, we're not leaving the farm for anything. And then we saw this house, and we were like, okay, if we can keep the farm and have this place. I think that would be, you know, a nice.

[Jeremy]

Is that what happened?

[Lydia Wise]

So that's what happened. We moved there and that's the house that had. I chose my room based off of the closet. I like walked in the closet and I was like, this is a prayer closet right here. And yeah, so I chose my room based off of that and loved that for the time I was living there. And then since I moved out, just had prayer ones.

[Zach Wise]

Those notes and all the prayers are still there.

[Jeremy]

Really?

[Ginger]

That's so sweet.

[Lydia Wise]

I need to like take them down and keep them in a box.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

So people, I mean, multiple people were sending. So that must have been highlighted on the show. That.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah, it was. Which I was. That's always something that's kind of been like a battle in my heart of like, I don't want to like show this in a way of like, I don't want to.

[Jeremy]

Especially when Jesus is like, go in your closet alone.

[Lydia Wise]

Alone. Don't go in your closet with the cameras. So I like always wrestled with that. It's like, you know, like, it was never my heart to like put that on camera, but when they saw it, they were like, oh, it's Lydia. This really like brings your character together and like, you know, so, you know, it's interesting.

[Jeremy]

That's interesting because you've used the phrase character a lot in these podcasts and we've never referred to like anyone on the show as a character, but that's essentially what you are. You're like, even though it's your life, you're playing a character.

[Lydia Wise]

Well, I was also referring to like my character as a person following my characteristic part of a show. But like. Cause at that point, you know, I'm still like a background character. Yeah, character and character that I'm using two different characters here for myself. But like, like I said, like knowing Zach's character, that type of character of.

[Ginger]

Like, that makes sense.

[Lydia Wise]

Them seeing like, well, this is you.

[Jeremy]

And we will think that is an important part. I think Jesus warning about praying to be seen by others is not saying. Cause you see Daniel, Daniel gets in trouble and he's thrown into the lion's den because he refused to move from where he was praying, which was visible. And so it's not saying you can never allow the reality that you pray to be known.

[Lydia Wise]

And the Lord knew I wasn't praying for.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, it's warning against an outward self righteous.

[Lydia Wise]

However people want to view that or if they want to be religious about that, whatever. But the Lord Showed my heart, so that's all that matters.

[Jeremy]

That's really sweet, though. I'm sure your example encouraged others to do the same.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah. I know a lot of people who have messaged me and just said, like, you encouraged me to start my own prayer closet. And I'm just, okay, I guess that's. Isn't that funny, being a good influence?

[Jeremy]

You can. You're, you know, going back to this whole. Like, we're just normal people and we have the show, but what you've done is encouraged other people to start talking to the Lord. In fact, we'll get to it. But there's a question. I mean, and Ginger gets these things as well, these messages, like, people will see or hear or read something that you've done and say that's encouraged me to go back to church or to re. Engage with Scripture, which is just a huge encouragement.

[Lydia Wise]

It is. Yeah. There's nothing I'd trade for that. It's all worth it. When I get messages like that, I'm like, okay, you know, it's all been worth it. All the ups and downs and the drama, everything. Like, if lives have been touched like this, it's worth it for sure.

[Ginger]

Now, this. This question here, talking about that kind of the drama side of it, it's like, how do you navigate drama and rifts in your family that you are not involved in? How do you stay neutral and navigate that while the show's being filmed?

[Lydia Wise]

That's a good. That's a good one. Ooh. Love and honor go hand in hand. And whether someone's right or wrong about something, you can still honor them. And I don't like choosing sides. I don't like any of that. But if it comes to a point where by not standing up for someone or by not, you know, saying, well, what this person's actually saying isn't true, that's not honoring anymore.

[Ginger]

So.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah, it's a tough thing to navigate because I don't want to speak negatively about someone, even if they're speaking negatively about one of my family members, and it's not true. But then it's like, okay, well, now am I living in a lie if I'm not speaking truth? You know, lies, they're spreading. So, yeah, it's been a tough thing to navigate. And it's situation to situation. There's no formula to it, navigating things like that. But the good news is, most the drama in my family, I haven't been a part of. And, yeah, I guess I just try to love people where they're at because I know with every bit of that is hurt for them, whether it's coming from them or towards them coming towards them, there's hurt involved. So, yeah, just trying to love them where they're at, too.

[Ginger]

I love that answer.

[Zach Wise]

I think coming into it, there is a bit of a navigation of that for me, of like, getting to know the siblings in the family without taking on their drama or being a part of their drama. And so I think a way I've always kind of looked at it just throughout my life was like, okay, looking at a situation, and if they have a reaction towards me, that's something they're controlling, and that's something that I can't control. What I can control is how I love how I care for someone, how I present myself in different situations. And so I'm going to do my best to be my best in those situations. And their reaction is completely out of my control. And so I think that goes kind of hand in hand with just how I walk in my faith, too, of just like, okay, you know, the Lord says, like, go and make disciples of all nations. Like, there's moments where I'm in conversation with someone and I'll mention the name Jesus and they'll turn away or they'll, like, be out of the conversation. That's out of my control. But I still have to be obedient. I still have to be present in the conversation. And so I think it always boils down to control and things I can't control in different situations, because a lot of times, the things that you can't control often bring the most stress and often bring the most, I guess, just heartache because it's like, it's just something that you're not going to be able to change because it's just there.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah. Zach also has really great discernment, and he sees past the front you put up. He sees past the words you're speaking. He really sees deep down and the hurt that could have brought this about in your personal life earlier on all those things. So that gives him compassion.

[Zach Wise]

Well, so many times people have come against me and I'm like, what did I do? Right? Because there's like, there's nothing. I've been. I've, like, I haven't, you know, punched them in the face or been really ugly with them or anything like that. And they're, like, bursting out in anger in just different ways. And I'm like, well, so it's like, it's an experience that they've had in the Past, they're drawing forward to that current situation. And it's like, okay, well, they've been hurt in the past in some way. And so in that, they're trying to hurt me.

[Jeremy]

Right.

[Zach Wise]

And so it's like kind of the hurt people, hurt people kind of phrase, because it's this. And so in that I have compassion, I don't take it personally because I'm like, well, that's. I didn't do that. But they're hurting. And in that, they're using that. Me as an outlet for that hurt. So in that I care for them almost more because of the pain they're experiencing.

[Jeremy]

That's said really well. And that goes back to the conversation we've often had. But we were even talking offline the other day, Zach and Lydia, about, like, dealing with hate on social media.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

And, you know, if you think about things objectively, okay, here's a lovely young couple in their early 20s. They fell in love and they get married. Nobody would just come along in the street and go, you know what? Let me just rip you apart for the decisions you're making and for the shirt you wore today. Like, you'd go, that's insane. And yet that's what happens on social media. You post something and people go, this. And they're in the comments being all hateful. And you just think about it, and the temptation is to respond and go, oh, yeah, go to their profile, then cut them down. Or then you realize pretty quickly, like, man, what a sad life. That they're actually going about their day, logging onto an app, getting on their computer, and then observing this young couple who's just living their life, and then engaging with others on a forum or on social media to rip that person apart. You realize, man, you must be really broken. Like, there must be some deep hurt there. And so when you process it that way, it changes your emotional visceral response from being anger or cut them back down to like, let me just pray for them. Or if I had the opportunity to say something kind to them.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah. It goes from anger to care. It's like, I'm sorry for you, and I hope you can be better almost.

[Jeremy]

I hope. Well, for you. Yeah.

[Zach Wise]

That's often my perspective. Cause it's just like. I mean, the world is ugly in a lot of ways.

[Jeremy]

It is.

[Lydia Wise]

It's crazy. Cause I've been on the show for 70 years. This is Zach's first time, and the show hasn't even aired. So he's, like, new in this, yet he's at times has been like the steady one for me when things are happening. And he's just been my fallback and kept my reality check of, like, okay, well, you know the truth. You know who you are, you know who we are. You know, like, what led us to make these decisions, you know, all these things. So why are you letting other people who don't know anything about you or this much about you, I should say little people who think they know a lot about you, but they know a little about you, you know, why are you letting them affect you?

[Zach Wise]

So why are you letting them have that control? So it goes back to that control factor, because it's like, if you try to control the things that you can't control, it'll start to control you. And then it just is this circle of you just getting lost in that cycle.

[Jeremy]

I asked you the other day on, I think it was the last episode, if the stuff that's happened on the show has ever made you doubt your faith. And I loved your answer. I guess, to rephrase that, just thinking in light of what both of you are saying now, have there ever been any points where you're like, enough. Like, the things I can't control, the narratives that are being spun, what people are perceiving, I'm done with this. Like, I don't want. I don't want to deal with this anymore.

[Lydia Wise]

By far. There have been many times where it's just like, I'm done. I can't do this. Like, after every season, I'm always like, I'm not doing another one. Like, this is. And I can't tell you how many times I was like, at my wit's end, I was done. Like, I was on one of my many walks talking to the Lord, like, God, I am not gonna do another season. I'm just not gonna do it. And I was like, okay, well, like, I'm not going to unless you show me that you really want me to. And, like, my heart would soften a little bit.

[Jeremy]

Sure.

[Lydia Wise]

And every time I. I got to that position, the very next message I would read was someone going deep into how my story had impacted them and gave them a desire to follow the Lord. And all these one after another. And it's like, those commas don't always come up in my messages. Maybe they do often, but sometimes it's a month without some of those. But every time, without fail, whenever I was like, God, I'm not gonna do this anymore. I can't do this anymore. I'm not seeing any fruit. It's hurting, like, in my own life, like this. Like, is it really actually worth it? And then right there, just someone telling me how deeply it's impacted their life, I'm like, okay, God, if this is actually from you, then I guess I'll do my best. Only if you help me and you're with me. So, yeah, there's been many times where I've gotten to the end and beyond.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. Do you have another question or. I've got one here. Unless you have one burning ginge, go for it. How do you feel TV changed your family, if at all?

[Lydia Wise]

Well, yeah, a lot. Like I said earlier, it brings out what's really deep down. So we may have looked like. Some of my siblings may have looked like on the outside before the show came along, that they were great Christians and walking with the Lord and all that. But being in the public eye, the attention, the show like that, it's gonna bring out what's deep inside. So, you know, if you're seeking attention, it's gonna bring that out, and you're gonna do whatever it takes to get attention. If you are seeking the Lord, that's gonna be magnified. And when you're pressed and the Lord is truly what's inside, the Lord is what's gonna come out. But if something else on the inside, that's what's going to come out. So it has changed my family in the fact that I think it's just brought to light what's been deep down in each individual. So, yeah, it's tough to navigate because it's like, part of that you can be grateful for, because then no one wants to live in a lie and put on a face that they're a great Christian when they're not, when they're struggling deep down or when they have anger or resentment. The Lord sees that and he doesn't want you living in a lie. So, yeah, that's a whole nother thing to navigate. Like, okay, so this is really what's been in your heart all this time, and this is what you're pursuing. Like, the Lord bless you in that and show himself to you and, like, truly reveal his heart. Because if this is the path you're taking, then I guess he didn't really know his heart. So I don't blame you.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, anything in life that reveals ourselves, even to ourselves, like, that's the greatest thing that can happen. I mean, ultimately, for someone to come to Jesus, they have to see. Like, for me, I had to see who I was before the Lord in order to recognize My need for the Lord. So it really is this beautiful mercy if you're exposed to yourself, you know, because then you realize, jesus, I need you. The worst thing is sitting there thinking you don't need Jesus, you know?

[Lydia Wise]

Well, also, if you feel like you've been given this, like, this picture of what a Christian's supposed to look like and, like, all these things and it's all in the head and all things to do and all things not to do, then of course you're not gonna want that. You're not gonna want any part in that. That's just religion. Like, Jesus literally came to destroy that. He came to rip the curtain. Curtain?

[Zach Wise]

Yeah, the veil.

[Lydia Wise]

The veil. The veil Jesus came to my mind, literally is drew blank. Jesus came to remove the veil so that we could be one with a father and meet with him face to face so that we didn't have to have all these rules and regulations and do's and don't do's. So, like, if some of my siblings feel like the Christian life was, like, boring and things to do and things not to do, like, I totally understand why you don't want a part in that. But my personal walk with the Lord has been anything but boring. Knowing people who are truly walking with the Lord, like, walking in the spirit and, like, their life is the farthest thing from boring. Like, so if you're a Christian and you feel like your life is boring, then maybe you should ask the Lord to show himself, reveal his heart a little more.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, that's sweet.

[Lydia Wise]

I like it.

[Ginger]

Okay, so you were homeschooled. And, Zach, you went to public school. Have you guys considered if you have kids, you know, how many you want for that, how many kids you want, and if you would homeschool them, send them private schools.

[Lydia Wise]

I know everyone's wondering, when are the children coming along? You'll have to wait and see. We don't know either.

[Jeremy]

Are you pregnant?

[Lydia Wise]

No. Are you?

[Zach Wise]

No.

[Lydia Wise]

No, I'm not.

[Ginger]

We hope you're not.

[Zach Wise]

It's true.

[Lydia Wise]

Our plan has been to wait a year plus. So with that, we'll see. But, yes, we've talked about children and homeschooling, public schooling, private schooling. And it's. I think it's one of those things that we'll take step by step. And, you know, if homeschooling doesn't work for a season, private schooling is better or just whoever the Lord leads.

[Zach Wise]

So I think she really wants to try homeschooling. I think she really loves just time with kids. She would love to Be a stay at home mom, so.

[Lydia Wise]

Or stay on the road mom. We'll road school our children.

[Zach Wise]

I know.

[Lydia Wise]

We're not gonna. We're not gonna homeschool. We're not gonna private school or public school. We're gonna road school. World school, world school.

[Zach Wise]

We're taking over.

[Ginger]

We're gonna take them to Europe, like over some other country.

[Lydia Wise]

On the road.

[Ginger]

I like it.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah.

[Lydia Wise]

History and live action.

[Zach Wise]

She does love to just be very hands on with everything.

[Jeremy]

So having gone to public school, would you be open with your kids going to public school?

[Zach Wise]

I've seen a lot of change in the public school in the last many years. It would definitely have to be something I'm okay with and I would like see in advance or something like that. But I've just seen. I had a conversation with my dad and then a history teacher because we were all playing tennis together. And I mean, just the difference of information that was had between the three of us was scary. Like, my dad knew much more than history teacher. The history teacher knew a good amount and I knew almost nothing. Even going through all of high school history, all of this stuff. And it's like, well, like, give me book recommendations, guys, because I know nothing about history. And it's like I knew friends in my high school who would turn in blank pieces of paper because the history teacher would grade off of a turned in assignment, not necessarily the actual assignment. And so it's like, I don't know, it's hard to trust the school system when you see stuff like that and just different things like that. So if it's a good school that we can trust. Absolutely. Like, I want my kids to have interactions with other kids, be social.

[Lydia Wise]

For sure. They're gonna have. They're gonna have their friends.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah. Which I've heard you can definitely do in homeschool as well. So I'm not worried about that. But it's just.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Zach Wise]

You know, do we want to be more hands on or do we want to be able to get them to a public school?

[Lydia Wise]

So. Yeah. So probably private.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah.

[Lydia Wise]

I don't know. Going into.

[Zach Wise]

We'll find out when we get there.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah. Putting my children into a public school, like, we would have to go, like, make sure our home is extra, extra, extra, extra, extra safe place. Because like the environment you create at home depends so much on how your children are going to. I mean, that's take bullying and how they. You know, that is the plan anyways. But like, it would take some. If I was going to. I'll just say If I was to put my children in, like, a public school, I would need to know that the Lord is in it, because I couldn't just do that without. Just because I wanted time to myself or something.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, True. So somebody asked, apparently you have an older sister who never wanted to be on the show.

[Lydia Wise]

I do. She seems. She's amazing.

[Jeremy]

What's your relationship with her?

[Lydia Wise]

I have a great relationship with her. I have been so jealous of her for so many years for choosing this. I used to always say, like, I'm gonna be like my oldest sister and just get married and not be on the show anymore. Yeah. Her and her husband. She gets married on the show instead. But, yeah, her and her husband just chose to not be a part of the show and raise her family on the show, which I respect so much and love her so much. She's amazing. And. Yeah.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah, they're great. They're. They're really special. They're really caring in a lot of ways. So it's always great love. It's great to meet you.

[Lydia Wise]

And their children display it so much. It's beautiful.

[Jeremy]

That's cool.

[Ginger]

That's so sweet.

[Jeremy]

This is something that both of you will relate to. And we've talked a lot about, like, such a big family. People are always interested, like, how do you stay in touch? But then who are you closest to? And Ginger's talked a lot about, like, you had, like, waves of siblings, so it was like, she'll talk about, like, the first six, and, like, we were the old siblings. And then you have the littles. And then you have the middles. And with 19 kids, you only have nine, which is such a small family. But only.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Is there talk about those dynamics? And people have asked, like, so we're getting tons of questions about, like, are you close with Mariah? Are you close with Ethan? Are you close? But how have you navigated trying to stay close with the family?

[Ginger]

Do you feel guilty for not being as close to some siblings, like, maybe that you used to be when you were, like, really young?

[Lydia Wise]

Yes. Do you.

[Ginger]

Older ones?

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's real. Yeah. I mean, I would say at the moment, I'm probably closest to Amber and Mercy and Cassia. They're the three little ones. Even though they're taller than me, they're still the three little ones. But Mercy's my baby. She's the one that, ever since she.

[Zach Wise]

Started, literally calls her Mom.

[Lydia Wise]

Yes. Mercy calls me mom sometimes. She's my baa baa baby, which. That's another story but, like, ever since the day she started walking, that's when I started having baby fever. So, like, I tell Zach, like, yes, I have baby fever, but I can handle it. I've handled it for, like, 10 years. I can handle this. Except when I see him holding your baby, that I'm like, never mind. I can't handle it anymore anyways. But, yeah, I'm closest with my younger sisters at the moment because they're the ones in town. My oldest brother lives in Minnesota. My next brother lives in South Florida. My oldest sister lives out of town as well. And then Mariah lives out of town as well. So it's like, you know, you can only be so close over the phone, especially when you're busy.

[Zach Wise]

She does stay in touch with each and every one. Very well, though.

[Jeremy]

Can you name all their birthdays?

[Lydia Wise]

Can I? Or can Zach you. I can.

[Zach Wise]

I can't do the birthdays yet.

[Lydia Wise]

Can't.

[Zach Wise]

You told me the birthday.

[Ginger]

Can you name all the names, Zach? Can you name all the names in order?

[Jeremy]

Oh, you know what, Ginge? This is. We always. I always get asked that on every podcast. Can you name them so I get to say it to someone else?

[Ginger]

You're gonna go, Both of you guys.

[Jeremy]

Oh, no, no, no, no. Don't make me do it.

[Zach Wise]

I'm.

[Ginger]

Make him do it, because I'm going to see if he's got it down. He tried last time.

[Zach Wise]

You do it fast.

[Lydia Wise]

Go.

[Zach Wise]

You do all nine.

[Ginger]

Go, Zach, go.

[Zach Wise]

All right, we got Ethan.

[Lydia Wise]

No, you got to rile them all.

[Zach Wise]

I can't do the oldest sister.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah, Ethan, remember? Then I think we ready.

[Zach Wise]

No idea what she just said. Ethan Blank. I know her name. Oh, gosh. No one wants us.

[Lydia Wise]

Yes.

[Zach Wise]

Yes. Micah, Raya, Isaac, Lydia.

[Lydia Wise]

I'm older than Isaac.

[Zach Wise]

Barely. Anyway.

[Jeremy]

Are you going in order?

[Lydia Wise]

He's trying to.

[Jeremy]

Yes. Oh, good.

[Zach Wise]

And then Amber, Cassia, and Mercy.

[Lydia Wise]

Yes.

[Ginger]

Wow. Okay, so how did he do.

[Zach Wise]

Although, actually. Hold on. Who was the. And then above Cassia was Joshua.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah, Above Amber was Joshua. Dang it.

[Zach Wise]

I almost got it.

[Lydia Wise]

Judge and Isaac. And Amber was Joshua.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Zach Wise]

Joshua was the one that passed.

[Ginger]

How many did he get? Right.

[Zach Wise]

I missed the one with.

[Lydia Wise]

He put me younger than Isaac.

[Ginger]

There you go.

[Lydia Wise]

Because he just was thinking of my siblings. He wasn't thinking of.

[Ginger]

Okay.

[Lydia Wise]

He sees me as his wife, not as one of the siblings.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Ginger]

Okay. I like it. There you go. Go for it. Can he really do it?

[Jeremy]

You have. The oldest is Josh, Jana, John. You have Jill, Jessa, Ginger. Then you have. I don't know if I'm gonna get all the ages. Right. But Joy, Joe, Joseph. Joy.

[Ginger]

Nope. Josiah.

[Jeremy]

Josiah. Well, don't give me Ginger. You're giving me names here. And then you have Jed, Jir, Joy, James, Justin, Jordan, Josie, Johanna. I think I got.

[Lydia Wise]

I don't know where he is.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. Jeremiah, Jedediah. I'm all over the place. I'm just getting them all done. Yeah, Jenny.

[Zach Wise]

I'm looking at this though, and I.

[Jeremy]

Think I couldn't do them all by Ginger. I don't know if she's got her unlock.

[Lydia Wise]

No, I want to hear it said fast.

[Ginger]

Josh, Deanna, John, Jill, Justin, Ginger, Joseph, Josiah, Joanna, Jedediah, Jeremiah, Jason, James, Justin, Jackson, Johanna, Jennifer, Jordan, Josie.

[Zach Wise]

Good, nice.

[Jeremy]

So. Okay.

[Lydia Wise]

Pretty good.

[Zach Wise]

Okay. Was there something.

[Ginger]

I think you missed two with like.

[Zach Wise]

The J names, though. I didn't know half these J name existed.

[Jeremy]

Oh, I know. Well, Ginger is not a J name.

[Ginger]

It's Ginger.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. Ginger is a G. Yeah. It's so funny. Like the parents. I'm glad they did cuz I love the name Ginger.

[Zach Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

And it's unique for sure. But they were working, they were working against.

[Zach Wise]

We got some nicknames in there.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Zach Wise]

Good nicknames.

[Jeremy]

Gingerbread, Jingle Bells. Yeah, it's all there. Do you both want a big family? That's what someone asked, but it flows with the conversation.

[Zach Wise]

I mean, I think we want at least three.

[Lydia Wise]

I think we're kind of at three to five.

[Zach Wise]

Three to five.

[Lydia Wise]

So it's big in some standards, but not necessarily in ours.

[Ginger]

So I like it enough you could travel with.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Ginger]

What kind of car? You just throw them all in like a 15 passenger.

[Lydia Wise]

No, 4Runner.

[Ginger]

Okay, that's smart.

[Jeremy]

I love a 4Runner.

[Ginger]

I love a good Toyota.

[Lydia Wise]

So let's go the one that won't break down the one of the airports.

[Jeremy]

Okay. You know what, man, these have been great questions. Here's a. Let's just do a couple more. A bunch of people asked how you and Ginger with a G. And then someone asked it with a J. How did you and Ginger meet?

[Ginger]

Instagram. Instagram.

[Lydia Wise]

Ginger was the one that reached out and. Yeah. How did it you share the story?

[Zach Wise]

Well, you guys were thinking about podcast hosts or people that host.

[Ginger]

Yes. Who our audience would want to hear from. And I was, you know, in particular Christians.

[Jeremy]

Right.

[Ginger]

And so just thinking how cool it would be to have you guys on pod and also because we have so much in common.

[Lydia Wise]

But you like remembered me from like first episode you saw seven years ago and I came back to mine.

[Zach Wise]

You didn't see any articles.

[Lydia Wise]

Did our wedding post come up on your page? Or, like, how did you remember me?

[Ginger]

No, just. I mean, when thinking through TLC shows and people who our audience could, you know, like, there's crossover because of our lives and the similarities. And so then. Yeah, we had watched your pilot episode. I believe it was. I can't even remember because I'll have to go back and see it. But I do remember you.

[Zach Wise]

She remembers you.

[Lydia Wise]

Sounds a little familiar, but I remember you.

[Ginger]

I remember something about no sugar and drinks or like, I remember that being a thing in large family. And there just seemed to be so many similarities in our temperament and personality. And I was like, I feel like there's so much in common. So that's kind of how it happens.

[Lydia Wise]

So Ginger reached out to me. I think that was only like, three weeks ago. And then we flew out or we scheduled the call to book our flight a week ago, and now we're here.

[Jeremy]

So that happens some of our closest friends, like, years ago. But Cade Fainer, who's married to Gabby Barrett, they do the music and all that. Well, Cade and I connected on social media. Like, three days later, he drove down. This was when I was in Laredo, Texas. He was in Nacogdoches, East Texas. And he drove down six or seven hours. And we've been like, dear friends, like, best friends since. And so social media is cool, the connections you make, for sure.

[Lydia Wise]

And yeah, I was telling Ginger just last night how the timing of this is just such a God thing. Cause just where you guys are at and where we're at in our lives, I feel like there's so much we can just glean from each other on. And you guys can almost be like mentors to us in a way, just like Zach. This is Zach's first season being the public eye and just like helping. Helping him navigate through that and all the things.

[Ginger]

So it's very kind.

[Lydia Wise]

This has been really great. And I feel like I've known you guys forever now.

[Jeremy]

I know.

[Zach Wise]

It's cool.

[Ginger]

Same.

[Jeremy]

It's been great. So let's conclude with what's next? Like, what's next for the Wises and your family? And you go back to Florida. Obviously, season seven's coming, but, yes, season.

[Lydia Wise]

Seven is airing July 22nd, so stay.

[Ginger]

Tuned for that on TLC.

[Lydia Wise]

On TLC.

[Zach Wise]

Yes.

[Lydia Wise]

For us, we're just. We're going back home to keep trying to find a schedule and regulate things with our jobs and just finding a steady life. Yet that's not our character. So I doubt it'll ever happen because we love spontaneous trips like this. Yes. Yeah.

[Zach Wise]

I think just getting routine and then.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Zach Wise]

Just getting this stuff. I mean, we have a couch now. We literally got a couch.

[Lydia Wise]

We got a couch and a half ago.

[Jeremy]

It's such a fun.

[Ginger]

That's so great.

[Zach Wise]

I know.

[Ginger]

And you should just start a podcast on your couch.

[Lydia Wise]

Sure.

[Ginger]

Like this. Just start a podcast.

[Lydia Wise]

It is a good cat.

[Ginger]

We're going to be looking. Looking out for it.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. And we'll be the biggest fans. We'll be your first listeners. All of our listeners.

[Zach Wise]

We'll make sure you're the first guest, too.

[Ginger]

Oh, thank you.

[Zach Wise]

Reservation.

[Lydia Wise]

I would love to have you guys out to our place now. And, like, I'd love for you guys to come to our church and just experience the humidity, too. So, you know.

[Ginger]

Yeah, my hair does great. Let's talk about that.

[Lydia Wise]

My hair. My curly hair again.

[Ginger]

Does the best. Only in Florida, really. So I'm looking forward to it. Let's go.

[Lydia Wise]

That's awesome.

[Zach Wise]

Thanks.

[Jeremy]

So grateful for you guys. Thanks for hanging out.

[Lydia Wise]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Jeremy]

Of course.

[Lydia Wise]

Been such a pleasure.

[Zach Wise]

You guys are great hosts. It was a blast.

[Ginger]

Love hanging out with y'.

[Jeremy]

All.

[Zach Wise]

Wait to do this, honestly.

[Jeremy]

And thanks for our listeners for sending so many questions and so many good questions.

[Lydia Wise]

Yes. Thank you, guys.

[Jeremy]

It was a lot of fun.

[Lydia Wise]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

All right, guys, we'll see you next time.

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