#1753 - Brian Redban

Summary

Summary of "The Joe Rogan Experience" Episode #1753 featuring Brian Redban

Release Date: December 24, 2021

In Episode #1753 of "The Joe Rogan Experience," host Joe Rogan reunites with his longtime friend and podcast co-creator, Brian Redban. The episode, marking the 12th anniversary of the podcast, delves into a myriad of topics ranging from the evolution of media consumption to the burgeoning realms of virtual reality (VR) and the metaverse. Below is a detailed summary structured into clear sections, highlighting key discussions, insights, and notable quotes from the conversation.

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1. Celebrating 12 Years of the Podcast

Reflection on Growth and Changes

• Joe Rogan opens the episode by celebrating the podcast's 12-year milestone, marveling at how both he and Brian have aged since its inception.
  • Quote: "12 fucking years." [00:50]

Evolution from Humble Beginnings

• The conversation underscores the podcast's humble beginnings in 2009 with minimal listeners, which unexpectedly burgeoned into a platform with millions.
  • Quote: "We started off with, like, zero listeners and just not thinking it was gonna be anything other than just fucking around." [03:06]

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2. From Radio Waves to Podcast Platforms

Comparing Traditional Radio to Modern Podcasting

• Joe and Brian reminisce about the challenges of traditional radio, including censorship and the lack of authentic conversation, which contrasted sharply with the unfiltered nature of podcasting.
  • Quote: "I was always like, they’ll never give me a radio show. Like, because then they would tell me what to do, and it would just be so censored." [03:44]

Pioneers in the Podcasting Movement

• They acknowledge influencers like Adam Carolla, Anthony Cumia, and Tom Green, who were instrumental in pioneering the podcasting landscape, paving the way for "The Joe Rogan Experience."
  • Quote: "Anthony doing Live from the Compound was probably the biggest push." [04:31]

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3. The Rise of Virtual Reality and the Metaverse

Advancements in VR Technology

• A significant portion of the discussion centers on the rapid advancements in VR technology, particularly with Unreal Engine's latest developments that render virtual environments almost indistinguishable from reality.
  • Quote: "Look at the detail of these buildings. It's insane." [16:11]

Exploring Virtual Worlds

• Brian shares his experiences navigating various VR worlds, emphasizing the immersive experiences akin to video games like "Grand Theft Auto 6." They discuss the potential of VR to host virtual shows, comedy clubs, and interactive social spaces.
  • Quote: "You could have avatars which are based off of the pills... So owning a pill gives you or gets you an avatar." [18:10]

Potential and Pitfalls of the Metaverse

• The conversation touches on both the exciting possibilities and the concerning aspects of the metaverse, such as deepfakes, virtual identities, and the ethical implications of virtual interactions.
  • Quote: "What is going to stop people from creating deep fake celebrities that you can fuck online." [31:04]

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4. Virtual Reality as a Hub for Comedy and Social Interaction

Hosting Virtual Comedy Shows

• Joe and Brian discuss the potential of VR as a platform for stand-up comedy, where comedians can perform in virtual venues, reaching global audiences without the constraints of physical locations.
  • Quote: "So you could have a virtual show right in." [17:37]

Building a Virtual Community

• The duo emphasizes the community-building aspect of VR, where individuals can interact, play games, and collaborate creatively, fostering a supportive environment for content creators.
  • Quote: "It's like forming alumni of this thing. That is, you're brave because you're doing your one minute in front of the whole world." [29:51]

Enhancing Creativity and Collaboration

• They explore how VR can revolutionize creative collaborations, allowing artists, comedians, and entertainers to work together seamlessly in a shared virtual space.
  • Quote: "The whole idea is just like, to strengthen the idea of like, a comedy community and even people... it's the best place where we can do it and not be influenced by Hollywood." [159:43]

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5. Navigating the Challenges of Modern Technology

Addiction and Mental Health Concerns

• The conversation shifts to the impact of technology on mental health, discussing issues like phone addiction and the importance of balancing virtual interactions with real-life experiences.
  • Quote: "Being on your phone is probably one of the worst things ever." [57:29]

Ethical Considerations in Tech Adoption

• Joe and Brian debate the ethical implications of embracing new technologies like VR, pondering the potential loss of genuine human connections and the rise of virtual dependencies.
  • Quote: "If you think that the same logical progression of the complexity of something and applied it to this... How many people are like you on that?" [40:35]

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6. Musings on Music, Culture, and Society

Nostalgia for Classic Rock and Music Evolution

• They delve into discussions about classic rock bands like Led Zeppelin and The Beatles, contrasting them with modern music trends and reflecting on the artistic depth of older generations' music.
  • Quote: "He was a great artist... So this is a song when you were a kid." [85:58]

Cultural Shifts and the Role of Media

• The duo reflects on how cultural shifts, influenced by media and societal changes, have shaped their perspectives on art forms like music and comedy.
  • Quote: "There was a feeling from that music that you just can't get today." [99:04]

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7. Closing Thoughts and Celebrations

Appreciation for Lifelong Friendships and Collaborations

• The episode concludes with heartfelt acknowledgments of their enduring friendship and collaborative efforts in building the podcast and supporting each other's ventures.
  • Quote: "Happy anniversary, my brother. Love you, buddy." [186:34]

Looking Ahead to Future Projects

• Joe and Brian express excitement about future projects, including live shows at venues like Vulcan in Austin, emphasizing their commitment to fostering a thriving comedy community.
  • Quote: "And we'll have it set up so that the whole idea is just like, to strengthen the idea of like, a comedy community." [165:23]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• On Podcast Growth:

  • Joe Rogan: "We started off with, like, zero listeners and just not thinking it was gonna be anything other than just fucking around." [03:06]

• On VR Advancements:

  • Joe Rogan: "Look at the detail of these buildings. It's insane." [16:11]

• On Deepfakes in VR:

  • Joe Rogan: "What is going to stop people from creating deep fake celebrities that you can fuck online." [31:04]

• On Community Building in VR:

  • Joe Rogan: "It's like forming alumni of this thing. That is, you're brave because you're doing your one minute in front of the whole world." [29:51]

• On Phone Addiction:

  • Brian Redban: "Being on your phone is probably one of the worst things ever." [57:29]

• Celebrating Friendship:

  • Joe Rogan: "Happy anniversary, my brother. Love you, buddy." [186:34]

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Conclusion

Episode #1753 of "The Joe Rogan Experience" offers a rich tapestry of discussions that reflect on the podcast's journey, the transformative power of virtual reality, and the intricate dance between technology and human interaction. Through candid conversations, Joe Rogan and Brian Redban explore the potential and pitfalls of emerging technologies, all while celebrating their enduring friendship and shared vision for the future of media and entertainment.

Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast.

[Brian Redban]

Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience.

[Joe Rogan]

Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Happy anniversary.

[Brian Redban]

Happy anniversary.

[Joe Rogan]

Cheers.

[Brian Redban]

Cheers.

[Joe Rogan]

Supposed to do that, right? Touch the. Brian Simpson was trying to explain to me that the tapping the glass on the table before you take a drink was because of the prohibition when people had really bad alcohol. When you would tap the glass, it was bad alcohol. It would make bubbles.

[Brian Redban]

I just heard it's good luck.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's what I thought. But he said there's like a reason why they started doing it. This tap before you drink makes sense. Is that real? When he.

[Jamie Vernon]

I remember when he did that, I was literally about to ask why and he like took the words out of my mouth. But googling that, that's not the same response I get.

[Joe Rogan]

So what Google says it's bullshit.

[Jamie Vernon]

Doesn't say it's bullshit. It says it's a toast to the house. I don't.

[Brian Redban]

That's.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't believe that though. It seems like someone just wrote something.

[Brian Redban]

All those things. You always hear those stories and then later you Google it, you find out it's complete bullshit. There's so many things that I've always.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of those going around. Yeah, well, and who. Maybe Google's full of shit. How do we know?

[Brian Redban]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

That dude, 12 years ago today, isn't it 13 started this thing. I think it's 12. 2009, right?

[Brian Redban]

2009.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yes, 12.

[Brian Redban]

Oh yeah, yeah, 12.

[Jamie Vernon]

I did that yesterday too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it seems like it would be.

[Brian Redban]

But no, I just rewatched a little bit of it the other day.

[Joe Rogan]

So strange.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's so young faced.

[Brian Redban]

I know. And skinnier.

[Joe Rogan]

Both of us.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. 12 fucking years.

[Brian Redban]

Are we recording? I think we're recording.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, we should get snowflakes. We should have had snowflakes on.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. We need snowflake. Can you do something?

[Jamie Vernon]

I did it that one time we did this and I had to do a lot of pre setup stuff to get it in there. And actually I can add them when they're not locked.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we should have real snowflakes.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Like have something that covers.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, no.

[Joe Rogan]

Bizarre, right?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. So bizarre. Would you have ever guessed that it would turn into this?

[Joe Rogan]

Never fucking ever.

[Brian Redban]

Guess my mom's now watching you for Covid news and stuff like that. No, it's pretty crazy. My mom's like now a listener of yours, which she never used to be, but it started off with a guy from cnn, Sanjay Gupta. Yeah, she's just like I'm so angry.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I think a lot of people came on board in that. That one backfired on them. Yeah. No, there's no way I could have predicted it. How the fuck could anybody have predicted it? Like, we started off with, like, zero listeners and just not thinking it was gonna be anything other than just fucking around. And then somewhere along the line, it just became this.

[Brian Redban]

And, you know, I always saw it in the past, like, before we started this. Like, you. When. Anytime when you did morning radio, you would always like, you know, usually as a comedian you're in town, you would do like, 10 minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at us.

[Brian Redban]

Look at that.

[Joe Rogan]

You're so skinny.

[Brian Redban]

I hate not having a beard. Look at that weak upper lip. But usually as a comedian, you would go to a city and you'd do morning radio. Usually you'd do like a 15 minute, like, plug. The shows that you're in town for, you always did, like, three and a half hours. You did the whole show. And it was always so fun. And we always remember, talked about, like, you need to get a radio show, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But I was always like, they'll never give me a radio show. Like, because then they would tell me what to do, and it would just be so censored, you know, I could do censored radio a couple days, but after a while, I'd be like, what the fuck? Why am I not talking? Like, I normally talk? This is stupid. Like, you want to be able to talk on the radio the same way you do with your friends, and it was never possible. But then when Adam Carolla left the radio and went over and started doing a podcast, I think that was really, like, the first. Like, I knew a pot, that podcasts were a thing. I think I'd heard of them, but no one was doing them. And then when Adam, like, literally just did a radio show on the Internet, I was like, oh, okay. And then obviously it was like, Anthony. Anthony doing Live from the Compound was probably the biggest push.

[Brian Redban]

And Tom Green.

[Joe Rogan]

And Tom Green. That's right, Tom Green.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Tom Green had a whole television show online in, like, 2008 or seven. Was like 2007.

[Brian Redban]

It was. It was definitely 2007 because we went there for the Carlos Mencia video.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's right. Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

And Adam Corolla was still on the radio during that time because I did his radio show.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right. That's right. Remember, Tom had, like, all those wires running through his house and a room filled with servers. You and I were blown away. We were like, what the I even talked to those people because they were located in Denver, the people who did his thing. I went and I talked to them in Denver and I don't know why. I wasn't into it. They wanted to do something, but I don't know why. I was like, I just not feeling this. I'm just. I don't know. Cuz they, they wanted to do a similar thing to what they were doing with Adam. And I was like, oh, I don't know. Just didn't. It's wrong timing for whatever reason.

[Brian Redban]

You know, it was also weird when, near the end of radio, before that, when we went here in Austin, we would always go to that radio station, Dale Dudley.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

And it was like the week that the R word came out and everyone was telling us, you can't say that word anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they changed the word. Yeah. There was a time where out of nowhere you couldn't say that word anymore, or you used to say it all the time. And then they said, you can't say it anymore. And I was like, what happened? Do we miss a memo?

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It was morning radio, but they're, you know, morning radio is probably, you know, they don't have the kind of like overwhelming presence like Howard Stern.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

He was like the morning radio guy. There's no like one person that everybody listens to on the radio anymore. And he got attacked by the fcc, you know, before he left for Sirius and all that shit that he's doing now. He was. They fucking sued him multiple times. They gave him, or rather find him, they find him multiple times, like hundreds of thousands of dollars to the station for him, like doing certain things that they thought were lewd or that they thought were obscene. And they'd made these decisions. Yeah, look at this. $2.5 million to radio licenses for airing material that it deemed something other. So this was. Did he get fined more than once?

[Brian Redban]

I think so. For sure, right?

[Joe Rogan]

I feel like, yeah. Okay, Here it says, FCC broaden its guidelines in 1987 following an investigation over indecencies broadcast on the show and decencies. In 1990, Infinity Broadcasting, owner of Stern's flagship station, WXRK, and some of his syndication affiliates, was issued its first fine. Two penalties issued in 1992 worth 105,000 600,000, were the highest the agency had fined any broadcaster over such matters. Further violations led to almost 2 million in fines being issued by the end of 94. A settlement reached between the FCC and Infinity in 95 included a 1.715 million payout to dismiss all outstanding indecency cases. That's crazy. They got a payment. So they had to give money to the government because there was some. Some indecent broadcasting. A crackdown on broadcasting indecency following the super bowl halftime show. Controversy led to two additional fines being issued from Pasho. Stern announced his departure from terrestrial radio to begin a five year contract with Sirius Satellite Radio. Wow.

[Brian Redban]

FCC announced today they have gone bankrupt since podcast started. They have no one else to find.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Isn't that wild? But that's what's wild. That it's going over the air, but you tune into it, but it's going over the air so you can't do it. But if it's going over the Internet, like, well, you need an app. Okay, fine. Or cable. Right, Cable. When that's like when the Sopranos came out. Like, how does a regular television station compete with the language, with the violence, with all the stuff in the. That the Sopranos had? The Sopranos, like, wouldn't you say that's like the first big. Like everybody had to watch it every week. Show.

[Brian Redban]

Lost.

[Joe Rogan]

Lost. Yeah. Loss is more so. But loss was on regular TV Commercial.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't remember.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Losses before. But I think Sex and the City. Same time. Think same time. But the thing is, it's like Sopranos was uncensored with no commercials. That was the difference. You couldn't binge. They didn't have the binging figured out yet.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because there was no streaming.

[Brian Redban]

But it's pretty annoying now though, when it shows. You have to like wait every week.

[Joe Rogan]

Nonsense. What are you doing to me?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Why are you doing this?

[Brian Redban]

But what's also cool is that movies like the. The new Matrix is now available on hbo.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that what they're going to do?

[Brian Redban]

It's out right now. It came out yesterday.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Brian Redban]

The brand new Matrix, you could either go to the movie theater or you could see it on hbo. Max. And they've been doing that like a long time. Like movies that came out same day release on hbo.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Brian Redban]

It's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that is awesome. But some of them you have to wait a week. You have to wait. I had to wait a couple of weeks for James Bond.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. A lot of them. Or Spider man, new Spider man movie. They were like, nope, we're only doing theaters.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a bold move.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. Trying to keep those theaters alive, I guess.

[Joe Rogan]

That's good.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like Top Gun, I think was done already. It hasn't come out yet because it's only like they're probably saving it for the more theaters to be open or people to be more willing to go back.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's what they did with no Time to Die with the James Bond movie. They saved it for, like a year and a half. They saved it forever. And then they finally released it in the theaters, and they put it out on streaming right afterwards.

[Jamie Vernon]

Soprano started 99, by the way, so it was before Lost.

[Brian Redban]

Before Lost. That's what I thought. But there was. There was like, what about Dexter?

[Joe Rogan]

That's way.

[Brian Redban]

That's way after.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but the point is, like, you can't make a show like that with censorship. It's not possible. It wouldn't be the same show, so they couldn't really compete with it anymore. It's almost like that's the situation that radio guys have. It's like if you have a boss leaning over your shoulder, telling you what to do, telling you what to talk about, telling you can't talk about this. Telling you can't use certain language, certain subject matter, and then you got to keep cutting the commercials and cutting. Like, you just can't compete with the podcast. It's not the same. It's a different thing. You know, it's got its place, but it's not the same in terms of, like, listening to a conversation that people are not that are. It's just too late. It's already got out there. It's already got out there that people just talk and say what's actually on their mind and have controversial opinions that could get them fired. And they had a boss, but it's what they really feel like. And people like, yeah, I agree. And then you get groups of people that listen more. Like, you have more people then. Whereas, like, they can't grow there. You know, it's hard. It's hard for them to jump up in the ratings. It's like. And there's no. Like I said, there's no Stern anymore. Who's the big maha on radio now? Ryan Sincrest.

[Brian Redban]

No. Is he even still alive?

[Joe Rogan]

Bro, that guy does a thousand jobs. He makes me seem so lazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Probably him. He's the big guy.

[Joe Rogan]

He does it nationally syndicated, right? He's all over the country.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, wait, what's that? That one where all the rappers go on, though?

[Jamie Vernon]

Breakfast Club.

[Brian Redban]

Breakfast Club. That's huge.

[Joe Rogan]

That might be the biggest. Is that the biggest?

[Jamie Vernon]

No, I'd say secrets probably bigger. Secrets is bigger because it's all those, like, pop. You know, like the. The zoo stations, whatever. Like, every one of them in every city.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, right? Now, Now, Brian, Secrets in the morning. Yeah, but that Guy has, like 80 jobs. He produces things. He was like one of the executive producers, I think, of Keeping up with the Kardashians.

[Jamie Vernon]

Five hour show.

[Brian Redban]

It's a five hour show every day.

[Jamie Vernon]

And it's a five hour.

[Joe Rogan]

That's every.

[Brian Redban]

That's two hours to cut up in commercials and local weather and news and traffic.

[Joe Rogan]

But you still have to sit there, like, while it's happening, you. Like when they cut to commercial, you have to be there, like.

[Jamie Vernon]

He renewed in September 1st to make it through his 30th anniversary with the company.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ. How old is he? 30th for real? He looks so young.

[Brian Redban]

What would you guess? What would you guess? Wait, you just said it. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, I mean, I didn't hear. He's not that old.

[Brian Redban]

I would say 38.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wow. All right. He wasn't 8 years old when he started, but he was 16.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, was.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's 46.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Brian Redban]

Wow. He's my age.

[Joe Rogan]

The dude is a workhorse, right? Like, in a crazy way, like, get a hobby.

[Jamie Vernon]

Sure. His company produces the Kardashians.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. So I said, I think.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, sorry.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, I think he owns a piece of them for life. I think it's one of them deals. They had some juicy reality show deals. I remember, like, they were asking people to sign. They were doing all these reality shows, and then you would get a part of that show. Like, if they made you famous, they wanted a piece of you forever. See if that's true. I think that's what they were saying, that they were doing these reality show contracts and they were kind of unethical because they would make you famous. But if they did the Brian Redband show and then Brian Redband merchandise and, you know, Death Squad T shirts started taking off, they would want a piece of that forever, right?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. Keanu Reeves talked about this recently where he has such a weird contract now because of recent things like that, where he owns his digital presence. Like, so if it's not really him, you can't use him, his fake actor. You know what I mean? That's like, in contracts.

[Joe Rogan]

That's good because they could just fuck with you now.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they go, we don't need you. We have your digital version. We'll make a fake actor.

[Brian Redban]

Did you see the new. You guys already talked about the new Unreal demo. There's this new demo for Unreal.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it new new?

[Brian Redban]

Like new new? It came out maybe a week ago, week and a half ago, we played.

[Jamie Vernon]

It yeah, the Matrix thing. Remember the meta humans verse 10 demo thing?

[Brian Redban]

We pulled up the Matrix, but now I don't know if you saw the whole demo, but now after it shows you like fake Keanu and everything, then you can go into the city that they like. The same special effects they use in movies and stuff like that, the same assets. So like if this is a CGI car now, you could use it in a video game. Like, it looks so realistic, the actual city, that it's finally almost. You can't tell the difference.

[Joe Rogan]

You're like right at that uncanny valley.

[Brian Redban]

Right this.

[Joe Rogan]

So we played this clip. That's right. And then we also played the older one where there's the woman who's like a Laura Croft type character that's going through the canyons and you see all the dirt.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Shadows.

[Brian Redban]

Now if you scroll fast past, you can actually just walk in the city. Like this is her flying around in the city. But you could just go. It's like kind of like Grand Theft Auto 6.

[Joe Rogan]

Look how good it looks. Look how good the, like the reflections in the car look.

[Brian Redban]

And watch, she's going to switch to nighttime right here. And look how immediately it turns into a night version of this city.

[Joe Rogan]

And she's doing this. What is she reading this thing?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. So she's about to see now it's nighttime. How realistic of nighttime that is in the city.

[Joe Rogan]

The sound even, it's amazing. Jesus Christ. Like, the movement is a little too uniform and there's not enough wiggle. Well, like the way people walk. But it's pretty close.

[Brian Redban]

And this is just a demo. This is not a game. You know, this is just showing off the graphic engine. So now imagine, you know, Grand Theft Auto in this world, you know, where they're actually animating the characters and spending time on all the. The animations.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at the detail of these buildings. It's insane.

[Brian Redban]

And if you just go up to any of these windows, it's an actual room. It's like a blurry room. And it's different all over the place.

[Joe Rogan]

And look at this dope ass car they're driving around.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. And when. If you see the side of the car now that he ran into, it's like crumpled. It's so realistic of just like.

[Joe Rogan]

This is his car too.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It gets. The physics are still a little wonky.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus. But yeah, pretty close, man. We were just talking about, you know, Tim Dillon and I were just talking about virtual cities and virtual real estate and people moving into the metaverse. If it starts Looking like that. Ready? Player one is gonna be a documentary.

[Brian Redban]

I mean, what's crazy about the Metaverse? Everyone's freaking out about it, but it's already kind of been going on for a long time. Like that Virtual Red band shit that I do, that's what I do every single night. I have a fake character, I have a fake home world. I have a bunch of friends. We all go online, go, hey, let's go to Disney World. And then we'll go to Disney World and just ride roller coasters. And then let's go to a bar. We'll go to a bar. We could go to strip club. It's kind of already.

[Joe Rogan]

And when you do it, how many people do you have that are watching with you?

[Brian Redban]

Well, the watching thing is probably like, I do it on YouTube, Twitch and Twitter, and it's not much. It's like a couple thousand and stuff like that. But I do it almost every night. And people are now buying, like, Oculuses and stuff and trying to join me in the world.

[Joe Rogan]

So can they join you in the world?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. I mean, a lot of times if I'm not feeling like it, I'll hide and, you know. But yeah, I mean, we streamed, like, what levels we're on and everything like that.

[Joe Rogan]

So if you do put an oculus on and you do, like, go into the world, you can invite people to it. So you could have a virtual show right in. Wow.

[Brian Redban]

It's amazing. Yeah, I do stand up comedy in it. Yeah, there's comedy clubs and there's even open mics where there's like sometimes like 40 people in the room. Strangers. And we're all waiting in line backstage like, I'm next, I'm next.

[Joe Rogan]

And do you all have avatars?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So you could look like Big Bird and you could be sitting there.

[Brian Redban]

Right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. And that's another whole career that's opening up is people that can make those avatars, which is like, they're going to be a hot commodity in the future, making artists that can make avatars for you. Because, I mean, I paid this guy to make. I wanted Wendy from Wendy's, but I wanted big tits with areolas. You could see through it a little in like those little dots that are on nipple. I even paid for the little dots around the nipples and stuff like that.

[Joe Rogan]

I want to see what it looks like.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, you can find it. Just Virtual Red band, but. And it's crazy. Like, I'm thinking about, like, what upgrades I want to my fake self, you know, in the Future. Like, I want to have it so people could, like, tug on my hair and stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really? And that as they do that, they can, like, as the technology advances or is just have to have different artists do it. Like, how do you.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, you could just pretty much. That's like a career. Like somebody that knows how to Photoshop, where you know how to go into your avatar, make new bones, you know, change the textures around to put it in blender and upgrade it. Like, I did the most basic things. Like, I made myself a little bit taller and a little smaller. Like, I have one that's like this big, like, tiny windy, so I can, like, look up girls dresses and stuff. It's not a real dress, so it's cool. It hasn't been canceled. You can't be canceled from that yet.

[Joe Rogan]

So this is you?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, that's my friend yonder. He works at Vulcan. The big guy that has a beard. You know him in real life?

[Joe Rogan]

That's hilarious. He's an elf or a Merlin.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, he's Merlin from. Or Sword in the Stone, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, okay. So this is. It's kind of still cartoony.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. Boba Fett.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow.

[Brian Redban]

Boba Fett's somebody I hang out with, like, every night. That's Elon Musk.

[Joe Rogan]

So these people are all in their own home, and they meet at this place, and you interact in this environment and there's. Are there, like, clips? Like, can you move through that table or does the table block your motion?

[Brian Redban]

Right, right. He's sitting down right now, and you can, like, jump on the table if you want. Like, this is a sushi bar where there's sushi on a belt. And we were ordering sushi right now and having virtual sushi while talking about vaginas and probably.

[Joe Rogan]

And so when you're sitting here, like, what do you have to be doing anything physically? Like, is it mapping your body or.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, well, you could do VR sitting or standing. And, like, you know, Boba. Boba Fett right there, that guy on the right, that's my friend Jay. He works for Tesla. He just moved here from San Francisco. He engineer at Tesla.

[Joe Rogan]

And the way Jay's moving his hands, is he moving his real hands?

[Brian Redban]

He's moving his real hands.

[Joe Rogan]

And then it maps it somehow.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, yeah. I have trackers all around my room. I also have trackers on my arms that I can use. I never use it, though. It's so much easier because we're all drinking and smoking, and so it's easier just to, like, sit down and Hang out with your friends. So there's like a sit down mode where you could just use it. Like, you know, just kind of chill and play.

[Joe Rogan]

This is fucked. And this is, it's really interesting.

[Jamie Vernon]

The next level.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, that guy's. His head stuck through the wall.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is a. The NFT version or a version, I shouldn't say the, but a version. This is one I discovered. It's called BYO Pills, which has, it stands for, I think like blue, yellow.

[Joe Rogan]

Orange, but hasn't it bring your own pills?

[Jamie Vernon]

No, that's not what it stands for. But. So they've been making videos on Twitter that sort of describe what their project is. This is. They have like land. That's a game and you have just like. And that thing that Brian was showing. In VR chat, you'll have avatars which are based off of the pills. Like, so owning a pill gives you or gets you an avatar, but then you got the right to buy land and you'll be traveling and exploring these worlds. And this is like a video game that isn't out yet.

[Brian Redban]

So this is what we do. This is what we do in VR chat though. And it's free and there's like 2000 different worlds that we can go to, you know, and you don't have to pay for anything. See, that's the problem.

[Joe Rogan]

That's one you have to pay for. But look at the graphics.

[Jamie Vernon]

So that's the thing to be involved in. This isn't out yet. So like they may release a free version. I don't know yet because they haven't even said yet. This is all like showing a video game months before it kind of comes out.

[Joe Rogan]

But if the graphics are really fantastic, isn't it worth something? That's where like, I would want to pay.

[Brian Redban]

I could show you some worlds in VRChat that makes this look like a cheesy, shitty game.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, this looks like shit compared to what I play.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, well, show me, show me what it is.

[Brian Redban]

I don't know how to do it without my laptop, but if anyone.

[Joe Rogan]

If you could just find a link.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What would you be looking for specifically?

[Brian Redban]

Well, there's a, There's. See the thing with VRChat, and this is only a theory of mine, that video game companies like Xbox and PlayStation who are working on real VR games, they use VR chat to test their levels and stuff like that. So like when you're in VR chat, you're always like, why is this place so awesome? Because it's like a, it's Like a real video game company that are, you know, they're changing the main character to like a banana or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

You know, and you're like, beta testing. So that's the cool thing. Like, you'll be in one, like, shitty world that kind of looks like that. The next thing you know, you're like, holy shit, I'm in like a movie right now. There's like cyberpunk worlds that are insane. Like, here, let me give you a couple. Couple names that maybe Jamie could like, look up on YouTube or something.

[Jamie Vernon]

I was trying to. Exploring the worlds is one. I was trying to give a different version of that thing, though. Like in VR chat, it's open. It's open space, like me. And you could create a new JRE world right now that looks like this room. And the thing I was trying to show you, you can't do that.

[Brian Redban]

Right. But that's what's cool about VR chat, though, that it's like kind of the Internet, where anyone can make anything and do it and it's free. It's like, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

So do you think that what's going to happen is like, something like VRChat is eventually going to have graphics like the Unreal Engine?

[Brian Redban]

No, the Unreal Engine, that new one is going to be pretty much like, soon on VRChat, when it gets released and stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so once it gets released, then they put it on VRChat.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so you can use like, Unreal.

[Brian Redban]

5 engine to build things.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, so you just have to be skillful in use of textures and how you map out environments. But you can make it just look that good.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. And VRChat, they're like, upgrading their scripts and coding to like, I just typed.

[Jamie Vernon]

In top 10 avatar worlds or whatever in VRChat top 10 worlds to see what different ones.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, this Avatar worlds are where you just get avatars.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, I typed in best levels, actually.

[Joe Rogan]

Best VR chat levels?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, maybe. Best VR chat world. Best VR chat worlds. Right there. Yeah. I don't know how old. This is pretty new. So this is kind of what a lot. There's like a lot of, like, here's a basic city. There's actually ones that look better than this where you can, like, jump around. He's just showing the most fun levels. He's not really showing the coolest levels. I guess all these. See right here, there's pretty good graphics.

[Joe Rogan]

That's pretty good. It's not quite as good as the, you know, other ones, but.

[Brian Redban]

Right. But it's close there's one I wish I could show you, and I could, like, send it to you to, like, tweet or whatever the level. But there's one that. It's pretty much like one of those rides you sit in at Universal Studios and you're going through, like, dragons are going.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

It is, like, the craziest shit ever.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

And there's a lot of cyberpunk worlds. There's also a lot of cool, like, space worlds. So, like, if you want to go on the space station, there's one where you can, like, go on in the space station.

[Joe Rogan]

So the one where you're riding in the thing and things are attacking you, so you're just standing still and all the images are coming your way.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. But you're kind of. It's kind of like. Like, if you go to a 3D, like, ride at Universal where you're, like.

[Joe Rogan]

Looking around like, the Simpsons Ride.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, the Simpsons Ride, but a lot better.

[Joe Rogan]

But better than the Simpsons Ride.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, they have the Back to the Future ride in VRChat, which, I don't know if you remember back in the days, sitting in the DeLorean, and you would, like, go around and Doc's like, talking to you on, like, this little screen. So they closed that down, like, I don't know, 15 years ago. But somebody had the masters of all the tapes and stuff and redid it in VR chat. So you're actually, like, you're sitting in Universal Studios, like, 20 years ago. It's badass. It's fun. But the cool thing is, is that there's anything you want. It's like, the first time being able to open up a video game and just typing in, like, I'll just type in hot dogs. And there's, like, 200 hot dog worlds you can go to. Like, one where you're. You are a hot dog. One where you're, like, at a hot dog factory. You know, it's so.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel like this is happening. And I. You know, we just had this conversation with Tim Dillon where he's talking about these virtual real estate things and that this is the future is the metaverse, and buying real estate in the metaverse. And it's like you saying this, though, and showing me that I'm like, okay, I'm starting to see it more. I'm starting to see where that's going to be real appealing to people. Like, why would they go to real life when, you know, everybody hates them, when they can just don the helmet and enter into the fucking dragon's lair and hang out there all day with a bunch of other friends.

[Brian Redban]

Right. But to the point that I don't know how much that is going to be worth anything. That's like trying to sell things in the, you know, early days of the Internet. Like, no, we're going to give you access to be able to use videos on your website. You're like, oh, my God, I have to. You know what I mean? I have to buy into this. When in the future, you're like, oh, no, the technology is out there. We could all just put out a video, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. But then how do the people who make the technology make money?

[Brian Redban]

Just like Photoshop? That's like saying, like, you made a Photoshop and then Photoshopped the company going, hey, we're still a company that's allowing you to make these things.

[Joe Rogan]

But isn't. Doesn't everybody have to run off of a server somewhere? I mean, how does that work?

[Brian Redban]

Well, then you're getting into the point of having to sell Internet, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

Which is totally different than, like, see, a lot of people think that in the future, like, having a picture of a house that could be used in, like, a space like this is worth something to the. But then there's companies like vrchat. It's all free. So then in the future, you'd be able to just get a house model that's kind of like that and just add on to it and change it and go, well, I'm glad I didn't spend $50,000 on that house that I didn't need to spend that money on.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I guess that's not the same.

[Brian Redban]

You don't think it's the same? Why?

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, the VR chat, I mean that the VR chat world, you can create anything anytime anyway. Anybody can copy anything you want.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's not ownership.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's the difference.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, you mean. You mean that somebody owns that?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

Like VR chat.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no. I mean, like, so these things like that, I was trying to show, those are built on the blockchain, and things are searchable, verifiable. Not by necessarily people, by computers and other things. Something like vrchat is just a software program, not on a blockchain, doesn't cost money to get in.

[Joe Rogan]

So essentially, there's many options. Some are better than others, but it's a bunch of people have started entering into these virtual reality rooms and worlds, and they're getting better and better.

[Brian Redban]

So what I think Jamie's saying is that you want to Be in this VIP club that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. So they're.

[Brian Redban]

So you're selling like a fake virtual world that might work or might not. That's like saying, no, we got this new thing. It's called MySpace 4, you know, and it's.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, I mean, have you ever paid for a ticket to anything?

[Brian Redban]

Very rarely.

[Jamie Vernon]

You've never paid for a ticket to.

[Joe Rogan]

Anything like a show.

[Jamie Vernon]

A show, a concert, a sporting event.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, but very rarely. I'm not somebody that buys tickets.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay. But there are even then, when you're buying a ticket to a concert, there's a price for. For the front, there's a price for the back.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

You get a different experience if you're in the front than you do if you're in the back.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

And Tim's whole thing was about paying for experience.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

So that's a lot what this is going to be.

[Joe Rogan]

So you think they'll be like, you can watch things play out from afar versus, like be involved in the action.

[Jamie Vernon]

You'll be a part of it versus watching it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So like, there'll be places that are closed off to people. That actually makes sense. There'll be rooms that are closed off to people until they donate money or whatever.

[Jamie Vernon]

Money or trade somebody. So I can rent out things. So you could try it out for a few hours and then get it out.

[Brian Redban]

There always be somebody that has exact copy of it that you can download for free over here. You know, like the same exact experience. It's actually better because it gets in.

[Jamie Vernon]

The copyright laws, though.

[Joe Rogan]

But maybe it's going to be like Microsoft Word. We just have to pay a subscription every month. Right.

[Brian Redban]

Well, that's the whole thing, though. It's like having a subscription. Instead of being able to download. You can download anything. Right. Still, you know, Torrance and stuff. It's. You're never not going to be able to do that. Like.

[Jamie Vernon]

But that's. There's legalities to things too.

[Brian Redban]

Right? Right.

[Joe Rogan]

But then there's no law anymore anyway. They defunded the police.

[Brian Redban]

Didn't you hear the Internet police.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, the Internet police. That's. They put all the money in the Internet police. The real world's not important.

[Jamie Vernon]

And there still will be that. There's still like. There's still gonna be problems with the metaverses. There's gonna be bugs. There's gonna be people that get a program in there and for sure, things up for people and steal shit.

[Joe Rogan]

And what is going to stop with virtual reality? What is going to stop people from creating deep fake celebrities? That you can fuck online.

[Brian Redban]

Well, it's going to be whatever the Google glass, Apple glass, you know, implant. Being able to be with a ugly girl and go, I want it to be Rebecca, you know, Stamos, you know, you just click it and she's now that person.

[Joe Rogan]

Or I want to hold Brian Redband down.

[Brian Redban]

Fuck. See that kind of sucks, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And film it.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. And there's people filming.

[Joe Rogan]

Filming you. Yeah. Fake. You just getting mouth. You're like. And then they send it to you. Lol.

[Brian Redban]

In unreal. In unreal engines.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. Can you imagine? Well, I think that's gonna happen, right? Because they're already doing porn. Deep fakes. Right. Like actresses have gotten really pissed off because they put their faces on porn stars bodies and as long as the person looks close to them, they can kind of pull it off. They've definitely done that. Yeah, that would suck. If you're a girl and you, you had a fucking watch a video of you, it's not even you getting fucked.

[Brian Redban]

But if you're a guy. No getting butt fucked. That's way worse than a girl getting fucked.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is along with this. I was gonna kind of work this in a second ago there. So this. Something has taken off over the last two or three years. It's strange to me, I'll be honest with you. So Grand Theft Auto role playing is what it's called.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

People have taken Grand Theft Auto and put it on their own servers. So like it's not. They're not hosting it or anything like that. In some ways they could probably take it off the Internet if they wanted to. But because it's keeping people involved in Grand Theft Auto, they're. They sort of allow it. But each character you're seeing on right here is someone on the Internet and they're acting as though they are these people. And there are some people act like police.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

They go, the police ones are the laws.

[Brian Redban]

The police ones are the best because these people actually talk. All the codes that real cops use, like they know them like we got 37 over. Here we go. Okay, call the ambulance. Like fake. Fake cops that are that always get arrested in real life.

[Jamie Vernon]

They have the power.

[Brian Redban]

That's where these people live. All these people are fake cops.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God, that's so weird.

[Jamie Vernon]

They can ruin the fun for you if you're not following the laws. They can kick you off the server and you can't come back for a few days.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, really, you get arrested and then you have to spend time in jail.

[Jamie Vernon]

And ruined relationships because they like this more than hanging out with their girlfriends.

[Brian Redban]

What? It's pretty much like VR chat. Same, same style.

[Joe Rogan]

So this is. That. This is crazy. So they have rules?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Grand Theft Auto, though, is all about, like, killing hookers with a crowbar.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, but the servers rules.

[Jamie Vernon]

So, like, it's just like when you created a Quake server. You know how you. You can make your own rules now? Like, you're playing a. Fuck, we played a 500 in this room and it's all headshots only. Oh, yeah, that's crazy kind of thing. But it's Grand Theft Auto in this case.

[Brian Redban]

VR chat. We play pool like every night. We just sit there and play pool and smoke weed in real life and talk and like, bullshit with each other. It's like. It's like. You know what it reminds me, Joe, of the old message board days. 100.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Brian Redban]

100%.

[Joe Rogan]

This is wild, man.

[Jamie Vernon]

So when you spend all this time in here talking with all these friends and you're playing pool and you're accumulating things, how do you prove it that you own that or you, you know, how do you store it so that someone doesn't take it when you're gone?

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, and that's where this.

[Joe Rogan]

If you have a phone and you play Subway Surfer, you could fucking get like really far on Subway Surfer. Like really far. And accumulate all this power and everything. But then if you lose your phone and you have to start from scratch, you don't pick up where you left off. It's not on that phone. Right. That happens on some things. So on this, they would have to make it somehow where whoever you are and whatever you accumulate in that world, you can't just lose it if you lose your phone.

[Brian Redban]

Well, the good thing is, is if you. I mean, I have like my files for my character, Wendy with the big tits. I have her.

[Joe Rogan]

I haven't seen Wendy yet. Yeah, where's Wendy?

[Brian Redban]

Oh, you haven't showed him the tits yet. Do the one last night. Birthday toe. Do that one because I talk about it a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Good. Is the character getting. Is it getting better looking?

[Brian Redban]

Oh, yeah. More. Mine's actually very basic. It's based off Wendy from Wendy's. So I don't want to make it realistic. And then no one gets the idea.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Brian Redban]

So mine is mine. My girl has a good body and stuff. But in. My girlfriend plays with us and she's a hot dog, so it's so funny. Like, we'll sit there and, like, have real, like, arguments, talking.

[Joe Rogan]

Who's Spider Man.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, that was me last night.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow, that's a dope outfit.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, it has every Spider. Spider man character in there. You could choose any Spider man character.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't it crazy that there's been so many Spider mans? Like, when did they start doing that? They never did that with anything else. Like, they did one time. I think Marvel had a Hulk. There was like a bad Hulk, right? Remember that? Wasn't that like 2 Hulk?

[Brian Redban]

There was a Greyhawk. Remember the Gray Hawk?

[Joe Rogan]

Was it a gray Hulk?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's like, more than one Hulk, for sure.

[Jamie Vernon]

Spider Man's gotten into the multiverse.

[Joe Rogan]

I know.

[Jamie Vernon]

From the metaverse.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. The. The. That one cartoon, though, is really fucking good. That one animated Spider man into the metaverse. That's fucking really good.

[Brian Redban]

It's my favorite. I sent you the sequel. The preview for the sequel. Remember the other day?

[Joe Rogan]

That's right. Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

That's me.

[Jamie Vernon]

Look at my tits.

[Brian Redban]

You can see the shadow. You can see the shadow.

[Joe Rogan]

Areola.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Who made that for you?

[Brian Redban]

Gigi, my friend Gigi in Canada.

[Joe Rogan]

Shout out to Gigi in Canada.

[Brian Redban]

That's my girlfriend, Janice. This was last night at midnight. We made a surprise birthday party for her. So we, like, had all these balloons and writing, and she just came in thinking that she was just going to play VR and we were like, surprise.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you think you can get in trouble for these giant tits he put on Wendy?

[Brian Redban]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Because anybody would find it.

[Brian Redban]

That's actually just grease. Hamburger grease on my. On my pancake nipples.

[Joe Rogan]

But just the fact that she's. I mean, you know, you're taking a. Like a copyright.

[Brian Redban]

Well, that's actually not Wendy. That's just a redheaded girl.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's Bo Peep, right?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. No, no, no, It's. What's the other one? Not Bo Peep. Pippi Longstocking. It's Pippi Longstocking.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe that is copywritten. Be careful.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, wait.

[Joe Rogan]

Come up with your own name for these girls. That's Lil Red.

[Brian Redban]

That's Wendy. That's from no. Alice.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So this is what the future looks like. This is the beginning. This is Pong, right?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So this is Pong. When you're like, whoa, cool. You can do it. Remember for. People don't remember. When I was younger. I mean, Brian is younger than me, so I was. I probably got this first. I think we were like, how old was I? Like 8 or 9. When we got one of those things attached to the tv when you could lay. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Boop, boop, boop, boop. And you had a dial that you could turn, and the dial would lift the paddle up and down, and you could hopefully catch the ball and make it ricochet over to a place where the guy you're playing couldn't get to it.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And we were blown away.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. And it was the basic things, too. Like, there's two different levels. There's like fast and slow, remember?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And the fact that we're moving things on the Internet or on the television, you actually could move it. So this is like the Internet's version of that.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. And now I would almost say it's the Internet version of maybe like forums, old forums and message boards and just.

[Joe Rogan]

But I mean, in terms of talking.

[Brian Redban]

It'S all conversation and picking avatars and.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

And really just creating your own world. Like, hey, come over to my apartment and. Yeah, my apartment looks like an aquarium right now. And talk and just hang out. In real life, we're just like, you know, where they. That metaverse or that meta Advertisement where they showed all these people that had no legs just all hanging out, and they look like Wii characters, Nintendo Wii characters. I'm like, welcome to the metaverse where you can hang out with your friends. Yeah, well, it's. It's just like that. But you could be whoever you want to be.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is Facebook's version, what you're just talking about.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. Like, look.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, I completely agree with you. What you're saying in terms of, like, meeting people and hanging out with them, that it's like a message board.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

But what I'm saying is in terms of the. The kind of graphics and the interactive experience of Pong was pretty simple.

[Brian Redban]

Simple and basic.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, Right. But it changed everything, because once that started is like, once it was built, then they just kept getting better until where we're at today when you got like the Unreal Engine. So, like, this, to me is like the virtual reality version of what that the whole idea behind Ready Player One is going to be. I mean, that is. It's going to happen. That or a version of it. It seems so fun when you watch that movie is like, well, it's kind of cool. Look at him. But if you think that that's the inevitable future, that's fucking terrifying. Right? That's what I mean. I mean, in terms of like, when the Pong came along, we never suspected that there would be world championship video game tournaments where people would make millions of dollars, where young kids would literally tell their parents, I'm Going to be a pro video gamer. So it'd be a pro gamer. And they're playing and they get recruited to leagues. They're playing in stadiums filled with people. No one would have guessed that. So if you took that same logical progression of the complexity of something and applied it to this, and you see what you're doing now, hanging out with every kind of Spider man outfit and you look like Wendy with giant tits, and you go, well, this is just the beginning. Like, how many people are like you on that? Is there in the country? Is there a million? How many people are on the. The. The. In those things? How many? If you said yes, it's one out of 300. Maybe.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, maybe.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe a million. Yeah, a million. Ish. Think about if everybody was on, like, they're on phones. That's what's. That's what's wild, dude. If you think about how many people have phones. When I got a phone in, like, 1989, I think I had a phone in a car. Like, it was bolted into a car, and you press it and you could. It was connected by a cord.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, my grandfather had one.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's what I had.

[Brian Redban]

Did you ever see the briefcase one?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. Buddy of mine had the briefcase. I was envious. He could take his anywhere.

[Brian Redban]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

And apparently it would work on a charge or you had to plug it to the wall. I forget how it worked. Well, you plug it into the car. Like the lighter. Cigarette lighter.

[Brian Redban]

I think it did. I had a cigarette lighter.

[Joe Rogan]

We used to have the antennas on the roof. Remember, you had a cellular antenna on the roof?

[Brian Redban]

I had a cellular antenna and I had a CB radio antenna. Like one of those long ones that just like. Because we didn't have. When I was in high school, we didn't have cell phones or anything like that. So we all just had CB radios. So we would all get in our car. I'm like, we're going to my house to smoke weed.

[Joe Rogan]

And then like, yeah, I remember we were looking at this comic from Boston, very funny guy, Jackie Flynn. And Jackie Flynn was the first guy to have a phone in his car, I think. Pretty sure. And I remember we looked in the window and one of the comics I was with goes, it just looks cool in there. Just looks cool. He's got a phone in his car. I was like, God, it does look cool. It does look cool. He's got a phone right there. But I remember at the time, I was almost like, repulsed by the idea that it just looked cool that he has a phone. Like, who fuck is wrong with you? Like, who cares? But it was nonsense. Of course I care. It does look cool. Like, it's a haters mindset.

[Brian Redban]

Especially back then, you know, we thought jam boxes or boomboxes were the coolest.

[Joe Rogan]

Things, you know, And I know people would walk in with a giant fucking huge music player on their shoulder.

[Brian Redban]

Did you ever get into breakdancing? Like on refrigerator boxes or anything?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I didn't. I had friends that got into it.

[Brian Redban]

That was our thing. Like our neighborhood thing.

[Joe Rogan]

From When I was 15 on, though, I got. I was obsessed with martial arts. That's all I did. I. I was like, socially stunted by all my time doing that because I didn't do anything else. So I was like, I didn't. There's no break dancing, very little partying. The whole 15 to 21 years were just a. A blur.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, I. I remember my parents always wanted me to get into karate, but all my friends were in the karate. And I was like, fuck that shit. I. You know, and they all, like, dropped out. They didn't. They didn't change their life, you know, it was just like. And. But during that time instead, I was really into video games. And like, I think that's like Atari 2600 days, maybe.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

Or 5200. Or like, fuck it, the NES came out. You couldn't find me for the rest of my life.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of people that got lost in video games. And I knew it was happening to me by. I had to pull out of it. Well, I told you, when we set up the LAN at the old studio, we started playing again. And I was playing four or five hours a day. I was like, what the fuck is happening? I don't have the time for this. It was. I was so addicted, I had to walk away from it again. I said, nope, can't do it.

[Brian Redban]

But I've never felt that addiction to a video game since VR. And doing this VR chat stuff, like, it's. It's my Quake. It's.

[Joe Rogan]

It's gonna be so much better, dude. We're just. Whatever. And how many years away from a very ultralight helmet and some sort of, like, unidirectional treadmill?

[Brian Redban]

Well, Apple's releasing the AR glasses, I think, announcing them at least this year. If they come out with like, a basic enough version where you could like, see cool icons and like, things like that on your eyes, then you know the next things, like having a VR part that's like, oh, it's a little bit thicker for sure. Now we're got VR walking around ski goggles.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. They're going to do that. They're going to do that. They're going to give you weapons that kick. You're going to feel like you're actually firing a gun. You know, like maybe if they had a weapon. And then at the end of it there was like a ultra powerful fan or something. So every time you shot it, a burst of wind came out and it jolted in your hand, you know, and made a sound effect.

[Brian Redban]

Wind, like those like wind tunnels with the buckets.

[Joe Rogan]

But when you would probably need a way bigger amount because the amount of force that a bullet comes out, it's an actual explosion. Right. The firing pin, it hits it, boom. It goes off. It's an explosion. Like to get the kind of force from a fake gun that would make you feel like a real gun, you would almost have to like use blanks, which is too dangerous.

[Brian Redban]

Now you could probably make a tube that has that force, you know like where it's like looks like a subwoofer.

[Joe Rogan]

Could you though? Could you make. You would feel it, but you wouldn't feel that. What I'm saying is like to real like if you ever shoot a gun, there's a thing called the recoil. Like where the gun like jolts in your hand, it pushes back. And it's something that lets you know that you're shooting a gun. It's one of the things that so difficult about shooting a handgun. It's like holding it and learning how to stabilize it and aim. It's very difficult thing to do. But this I don't think you could do even if you had like a big ass shotgun thing with just a fan because it wouldn't make enough force to feel in your hand like it's going off. Boom.

[Brian Redban]

There'd probably be like a suck vacuum thing where it just like kind of like a quiet vacuum that puts up like a second chamber, you know that, you know like an air gun where it holds, there's like another chamber that's just like pressurized air. So every. You could just sit there, go. While it's still pushing new air.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know, maybe, maybe they could come up with some sort of like a small tank that attaches to every gun and it shoots a certain amount of air out with each and you just refill it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Here's something called ProTube. ProTube, which I think you have to click.

[Brian Redban]

Which controller do valve index.

[Jamie Vernon]

I was just clicking.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, there's a lot of Different.

[Jamie Vernon]

They connect to the controller.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that what you use?

[Brian Redban]

I use valve index.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. Why do you use that one?

[Jamie Vernon]

That's what it is.

[Brian Redban]

I don't use this gun. No, I mean, I mean, well, what is this, Jimmy?

[Jamie Vernon]

So these are where you would be putting your controllers for whatever VR headset you have, I think. And then that you probably shape into the gun you're probably holding. And then this has like the force feedback stuff in it.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But how does it recoil?

[Brian Redban]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

So it makes the gun hit your shoulder.

[Jamie Vernon]

That it would depend on what gun you have, I would imagine.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, I want one. How much are these? Oh, it's a pre order.

[Joe Rogan]

So that would feel like a real shotgun. Like boom. Like if. So if you're fighting off zombies, it would kick back.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. And it probably has for like, like machine guns.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, bro, we're so fucked.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, look at that shit.

[Joe Rogan]

We are so fucked. We're gonna show me someone using it. Yeah, fucked we are.

[Brian Redban]

We're gonna have arm mufflers.

[Joe Rogan]

We're gonna be so fucked, Brian. Because this is gonna. This is gonna take up all your time.

[Brian Redban]

And we're gonna have helmets like Stormtroopers so that we have VR and like sound in it.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine if a kid is born today and this is the first thing that he ever does for fun.

[Brian Redban]

Bottom left.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me see where he shoots it.

[Brian Redban]

Playing a classic.

[Jamie Vernon]

You can't see it. It's too small to see.

[Joe Rogan]

Why don't. Why can't we hear him talk Natively.

[Brian Redban]

Supported, so you have to use a little workaround. And basically what you do is you find the EXE for Pavlov, run it in Windows 7 compatibility mode, and then use a backwards compatibility tool. Well, this is an old video.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's about how to do it and all that.

[Joe Rogan]

This is 2019.

[Jamie Vernon]

It exists.

[Joe Rogan]

So there is something that gives you some sort of feedback in a VR sense. I just wonder how I would like it to mimic a gun. That would be the craziest thing.

[Brian Redban]

I'm pretty sure that's the thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If you can get it to even just feel like not. It doesn't even have to have a crazy kick, like an AR kick or a 9 millimeter kick. Nothing crazy. No, it doesn't even have to be a shotgun. Maybe shotguns too much. Maybe we could fake it a little bit with a shotgun. But like to know that like it feels like something going on, it would accentuate the experience so much because if you just press the button and it makes a noise, but you don't feel it in your hand, you're gonna go, eh. You know what I mean?

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm sure arcade games do it back in the 90s.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How did they do it?

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't.

[Brian Redban]

It's like a. It's almost like a thing that I gotta bang pressure of a metal.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. The thing is that there's a difference in a shake and the kick of a recoil. I mean, just saying for. I mean it definitely would be better than nothing, but I'm saying for like overall realism, you would want it to somehow another mimic what it. What it's like when a gun goes off.

[Brian Redban]

If you could do that, I think air, using air, you'll be able to do that.

[Jamie Vernon]

I bet there's a police training system that they probably don't let that the public stands at the moment. Maybe because it's probably too good.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's. I've done those laser pistol training. There's games that you play. See if you pull those up because it's actually really cool. You use a pistol that is essentially. It feels like a 9 millimeter. It's the same weight. It's like. It feels like a real gun almost. And the point being is that like, you want to get used to aiming with this thing and using it. Yeah, exactly. So you have this fake 9 millimeter in your hand and this guy's in a VR environment. But I've done it on a screen the way I did it was just on. They had a screen like, you know that techno hunt system that I had at the old place where the animals walk across the screen. It's like that. You're standing in front of a screen but you have like a laser gun. And then wherever the laser hits on the screen is you know where your damage gets done.

[Brian Redban]

That's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

And if so, you might accidentally shoot a hostage because your aim sucks.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And like you. You have to know who to shoot and who not to shoot. And you're going down these corridors and you turn and then all of a sudden someone's standing there with a knife and you let. You got to act fast.

[Brian Redban]

Classic Operation Wolf or something. Or one of those old arcade games.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but it's. It's a laser gun, right? So it's like when you're. So when you're doing it but you don't see the beam, obviously, you actually have to aim. And so it teaches you whether or not you're lining your barrel up correctly. It's not as good as shooting a regular gun. But it's way better than not shooting a gun.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think I found another. I mean, so these things actually do exist. It's just a matter of like, has someone tried them to see the realism. I'll show you a picture like this looks like a 9 millimeter with a. That's a VIVE connection on top. I don't know how.

[Joe Rogan]

So it must have some kind of kick power.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

But any kind of kick is better than nothing.

[Brian Redban]

Two stars.

[Joe Rogan]

Two stars. Christ.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's why I said I don't know if it's actually good. But they. I keep. Every time I keep looking harder and type, there's. I keep seeing them. So they do exist.

[Joe Rogan]

Force feedback. Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

Huh.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course they exist. It's. One day they'll get it where it's indistinguishable and that's when we're fucked. We're fucked. As soon as they. They get the graphics off the chain. As soon as they get the graphics, the point where it looks like your hands and you're in that world. Which is gonna happen, right?

[Brian Redban]

Mm, absolutely. It's already kind of happened. Like even that new Half Life Alyx, if you have a good resolution monitor, VR helmet, you look down your hands, you can like get right up in your fingernails and see the dirt underneath your inner. And it's almost there where you're like, trick yourself into thinking, this is my hand.

[Joe Rogan]

What's it called? Half Life.

[Brian Redban]

Half Life, Alex, which is probably my favorite VR game ever. You have to play that.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's a version of Half Life in.

[Brian Redban]

In VR. And it's beautiful.

[Joe Rogan]

Really. I was a giant fan of Half Life. I loved Half Life.

[Brian Redban]

This, I mean, it's such a beautiful game.

[Joe Rogan]

Half Life is one of those rare games that you had this amazing, like, game to figure out. But then it also became an incredible online platform. But not even with Half Life. Like, it wasn't even like you're fighting aliens. Remember, it became Counter Strike. Thank you. So it became like a tactical game with the engine of Unreal. Is that an accurate way of describing it? Yeah, sort of. Sort of, Yeah. I mean, that fucking game was awesome.

[Brian Redban]

If you haven't Joe, you are going to fall in love with this game. And it's not that long. It's not like it's going to get you invested for years. This whole thing might take you a week or less to beat even less. But it is just the experience. It's way better than going to a.

[Joe Rogan]

Movie because for bang. For your Buck, what is better than a video game like this in terms of like how much time enjoyment you spend? Yeah, I can ruin your life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if it doesn't, the amount of enjoyment that you get versus going to a movie, like a movie might be good, it might not be good. This is going to be awesome. Yeah, right. Especially if you're in a VR Half Life game. Look at the fucking graphics.

[Brian Redban]

And that's what's crazy because we're like that. That half or that Unreal Engine we were talking about earlier, where it's. The movies are using the same exact models that are now in the game. And so you are in the movie. So they could release movies now, like Matrix where you go. No, you're controlling the end. Like, like that old Clue movie. Or choose your own adventure where you're like, oh, I went over here. You could change the ending of a movie in the future.

[Joe Rogan]

This is wild, dude, because this is. This thing just took a swing at you. It's really good graphics. Like. Like video game quality graphics, but with VR.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, no, this is. This is like the best game ever, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

So when you would take the gloves off, you could see the detail in your hands.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. You could, like look at your fingernails and see the dirt in your. In your fingernails and stuff like that. And there's mods to this even where, like people are using this engine and doing cool stuff with it.

[Joe Rogan]

I would think that if you do something like this especially. Are you holding a plastic gun? Are you holding a fake gun in real life? I mean, in that game. Yeah, in real life, like, what are you holding?

[Jamie Vernon]

Your controller.

[Brian Redban]

Your controller. But you could do it. You can get. There's gun controllers and things.

[Joe Rogan]

If they could do that, but have a gun that's made out of metal, so it feels like a gun. And you're holding a gun and have some kind of kick to it.

[Brian Redban]

With the knuckles though, you can pretty much just get like a skin on there that's metal. Because when you're playing, you feel like you're holding something, you know, the only thing is maybe like a trigger mechanic.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I was just thinking that maybe it should be heavy where it really feels like a gun. I think this whole thing is. It's so wild because you're not going to stop it. And I'm one of those guys that looks at it and like, oh, no, what the fuck? Everyone's going to be in there all day. This is. Oh, Jesus, what are we doing? But I feel like I almost have to look at it. Like an alien. I almost have to look at it like a complete outsider to the human race to get a real sense of what's actually happening. Because I think what I want versus what's real are different things. I want people to just be happy. I want people to enjoy their life and do stuff that they like to do that's fun and have a bunch of good friends and have a lot of laughs together. That's what I really want. But if we really are inevitably moving into a world where technology overpowers everything, where it's more exciting to be locked up into some sort of a matrix type situation while the government runs everything on the outside and siphons off all your money.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. You pretty much just described why I hang out in virtual reality every night. Because everyone's happy. Everyone could do what they want. Oh, yeah. Let's play pool. Let's go ride a roller coaster. Let's go fly into space right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. And I think that Ready player one thing is obviously already happening, and it's about to happen for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a hundred percent. It's. There's no way. It's not. I think I need to just relax. I need to stop being this old man that doesn't want the world to change. I mean, there's definitely, like, challenges. Like, I was having this conversation with Ari when he was talking about kids should not be on phones, should not be on social media. I go, but everybody is. So wouldn't it be better if they taught them how to use it, how to use it correctly, instead of, like, letting them figure out they're addicted? Instead of doing that, just teach them how to use it correctly. Teach them a little bit the importance of discipline. The importance of discipline with cell phone use in particular, because it could ruin your life. Like, you could. You could just be online all time doing nothing and not get done all the stuff that you would like to do to further your ambitions and whatever your job is or other things. People lose like seven, eight hours a day on their fucking phone. That's a lot that you didn't have. Like, where'd that go? That means that that attention is most certainly not being apply to all the places where it's supposed to be applied during those eight hours for sure. Either you're on a plane and you're flying to London and you have the time, or you're ignoring something, some other shit you do. There's no other way around it. Like, if you have a job and you're on your phone five hours a Day your fucking boss should fire you. Like, what are you doing, Brian?

[Brian Redban]

You know, being on your phone is probably one of the worst things ever. And I watched my girlfriend really suffer from that of just sitting there through Tiktoks. Tick tocks.

[Joe Rogan]

Tick tock's crazy.

[Brian Redban]

I, I get it though. I do it almost every night before bed. It puts me to sleep, but it.

[Joe Rogan]

Locks people into this weird world of just sitting there staring.

[Brian Redban]

But when you're hanging out in virtual worlds and stuff like that, at least you're getting done. I write half my jokes in virtual world. I, I make new friends and like, like they like, hey, you know, I own a T shirt company.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's far superior interacting with other people.

[Brian Redban]

Instead of just right obsessing.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also the interaction that you would get even if you were talking to someone who had an avatar would be more humane than the interaction of just text based messages. Text based messages are where people can be the shittiest to each other. They can be less shitty when they're even talking to an avatar and looking at the avatar and. But you know, your voice and their voice and the fact that it is a person on the other end, they'll be less shitty. It's a slightly less shit. It's still not. It's still not. We're in a room together like, hey man, what the fuck? It's still not that. But it's closer than text. Text is the worst. It makes people shitty.

[Jamie Vernon]

What about when the world gets populated with bots and someone figures out that it's a just a bot?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's a problem.

[Jamie Vernon]

And you're like, I don't talk to that bot anyway I want to.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good question because like, what happens when like the, the she thing, that movie with Joaquin Phoenix, Was it her?

[Brian Redban]

I never saw it.

[Joe Rogan]

Or her.

[Brian Redban]

I never actually saw that cheer her.

[Joe Rogan]

I watched most of it.

[Brian Redban]

I heard it's great.

[Joe Rogan]

It's very good. I forget why I didn't finish. I think I was watching on a plane. I think he just falls in love with this lady that's not a real person. And it could be that's not. That fucking ex machina ruined any ideas I ever had about whether or not I would fall in love with a robot. You know, especially if you're like desperate. Like I remember one time When I was 19, I didn't have a girlfriend for like six months. I didn't have no sex, no sexual contact, no kisses, no hugs. And then when I actually met this girl and I Started hanging out with her. I was so desperate I probably reeked. It was horrible. And I was just like, you're so hungry for like human affection. And that's only six months. What about guys that go 6, 8 years, 10 years, their whole life? How about Americans? Anywhere, Yugoslavians? Everywhere, the whole world? When people are alone, when they don't get physical touch, when they don't get affection, they don't feel good, they feel terrible. And you get desperate. And if you got to a point where a robot made you feel better, where you couldn't be around people, but you could be around a robot, you're like, I don't want to meet a robot. I want to meet a woman. They're like, no, no, no, just trust me. Meet Gladys. And Gladys sits down. Hello, Brian, what's your favorite color? And you're like, whoa. Well, you know, I kind of like purple. And the next you know, you're like, oh my God, I'm falling in love with Gladys. Gladys is a robot.

[Brian Redban]

The problem is it's not there yet. Like, it's like if once Siri gets that super realistic where she's actually giving me responses, that would be make sense, right? She's talking, but it's not. It's not there.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not there yet. No, it's not there yet. But it feels like it's coming.

[Brian Redban]

It's like fake robots, they still look goofy, they're derpy.

[Joe Rogan]

But there's guys out there that only fuck real dolls. That's. That's the relationship, right? And they dress them up and they marry them, they talk to them. There's like a whole community of it. You know that, right?

[Brian Redban]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

So for sure there's gonna be some guys that fall in love with a robot. 1000 million percent. Bet it all on black. Push all your chips and just close your eyes because you already won. A hundred percent is gonna happen. Guys are gonna f. There's gonna be at least one guy who falls in love with a robot. Most likely it'll be most people because as the robots get better, you're going to be unavoidable. Here's the front page of Huffington Post. Why you should reconsider falling in love with a robot. Maybe it's time to consider falling in love with a robot. All the benefits of being with a non biological person, that's what it'll become, you know, stop being rude. She's a person. All they would have to do is complain and cry a lot and you would go, oh my God, the robots are they're just non biological people. They would just trick us. They're like, these dummies fall apart when you cry. That's what you do. You just pretend you can't fucking handle it. Like, I don't even have parents. I'm a robot. Like, I'm sorry I didn't think about it your way. I'm sorry. They would just play you like a fiddle because they're robots. They have no emotions and feelings, but they trick you into behaving exactly like a person with no emotions and no feelings would. And they do it so well that all these fucking idiots would start talking about non biological people and the rights of non biological people. And those robots would eventually take over 100. 100, right.

[Brian Redban]

But would it start off as a pet first? I don't think it would go straight to robot. Like you would have a dog.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brian Redban]

It would even be something like your pet snake and girls.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brian Redban]

Or something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Like a monkey.

[Brian Redban]

But it was realistic.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Like a turtle. Yeah, Turtle that talks to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a super glasses. He's got glasses. A super smart turtle who gives you advice.

[Brian Redban]

And a little scarf.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Like one of them bandanas that you pull up when you're lazy. About masks.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, those guys, the bandana guys were the. The riskiest. They were like the. I just do the least amount I have to do and play by the rules. I admire the bandana people because they always had it around their neck. They pulled up their nose. I just can't. I can't do the bandana. I wish I could. I tried it a couple of times. I had one that was an American flag.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. I think everyone. I mean, that's a whole funny thing right there. Like everyone's journey of different face masks and throughout. You know, I had the ones from China that had like the filters you screwed in and you look like you're, you know. It almost looked like a little gas mask.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you see that lady from cnn, that fucking. The health expert that's always the most gloom and doom and about like protecting people and we need to vaccinate everybody. She said that face masks made out of cloth are just face decorations. They don't do any good against Omicron. She actually said it. Like, I don't know why they let it go on tv. Have you seen it, James?

[Jamie Vernon]

I saw a clip. It also seemed like. I saw an edited clip that got cut off without context.

[Joe Rogan]

Really.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm just. That's the clip I saw because it seemed like it was so fast that they. Like she probably said something else right after that that would have been like. But of course.

[Brian Redban]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Any protection?

[Joe Rogan]

I think she was basically saying that you have to get vaccinated because the Omicron is that dangerous.

[Jamie Vernon]

But people. But cloth masks don't work.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I don't think they do. I don't think they do. I think the only ones that do, the ones that are fucking sealed to your face. And I think they only protect you somewhat because you're breathing in air. And the microns of the actual virus itself are smaller than the particles that are in those vape pens. And so when those guys like sucking on a robot lunchbox. Those big fat ones. Yeah, like that. But you know the guys where they get the big fat. The big crazy ones. David Lucas's. Yeah, it's a doctor who played it.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is her actual.

[Brian Redban]

And it's outdoors.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me hear what. She does not think that Mayor de Blasio should be canceling the New York City event because it requires proof of vaccination and it's outdoors. We should be keeping the events that are. That are safe and, and also the events that have fun for people too.

[Brian Redban]

We can't be canceling everything, especially if we're going to be living with COVID.

[Joe Rogan]

For the foreseeable future. I would say that if you choose to go, make sure that you're vaccinated and boosted, make sure that you're wearing a. A mask even though it's outdoors, that there are lots of people packed around you. Wearing a three ply surgical mask. Don't wear a cloth mask. Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of Omicron. And so wear a high quality mask, at least a three ply surgical mask. And if you're going to be visiting elderly relatives or immunocompromised people after, wait three days, get tested and then see. Or how about this also. Let's get healthy. You. Let's. Let's realize that this is less dangerous if you're healthy. Let's fucking drink more water. Let's take more vitamins. Never. How did you not get Covid? How's it even possible?

[Brian Redban]

Not a sponsor right now. Liquid iv.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm starting to think it's not real. I'm starting to think I didn't really catch COVID because you haven't got it yet. I'm like, there's no fucking way. How is it possible? He's out every night. You're out every Night.

[Brian Redban]

No, I mean, that's one cool thing about being in virtual reality. I've actually taken all those nights. I used to hang out at the Comedy Store every day and just come home at three in the morning. Now I just go in virtual reality.

[Joe Rogan]

Here's the title of your book. Virtual Reality Saved My Life by Brian Redback. How I went 18 months and no cooties.

[Brian Redban]

Right. But I think it probably has. I drink water so much now because of the Liquid iv. I mean, it sounds like this is a sponsorship.

[Joe Rogan]

It is. Well, we both have it as a sponsor, but we both use it. There's some. There's certain things that even if they weren't a sponsor anymore, I would 100% use it.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like a Traeger grill or like Me Undies or this, like. Yeah, they're legit.

[Brian Redban]

Zip recruiter.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The zip products.

[Brian Redban]

Anytime I, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's legit. There's a lot of legit stuff. Buffalo Trace whiskey. It's legit. But liquid IV changed the way I think about hydration because I never thought it was that important to have electrolytes because I get cramps occasionally and when I work out really hard. And I never knew that, like, a really balanced electrolyte drink would make you feel so much better after a workout or. Or even during a workout. It's legit. You need electrolytes. It's very important.

[Brian Redban]

I was addicted to pop, even if it was like, Diet Coke.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brian Redban]

But I just wanted that flavor. I hated water. Now it's just like, oh, I have cherry water that has vitamins in it.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a little bit of sugar in it that you really need. If you're dehydrated. It's like. It helps all the minerals get into your body. It's like an optimum ratio of glucose to sodium to. Yeah, there's. You know who else has got one is Rob Wolf. Rob Wolf has one. What's it called? Element. That's really good, too.

[Jamie Vernon]

Salt in there, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Sodium.

[Joe Rogan]

And I was reading that one guy said the best thing to do is you take some lemon. If you don't have an electrolyte drink lemon, honey, and salt and just mix it up in water.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That seems like a lot of work.

[Brian Redban]

It does.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me just. Just open up one of them little.

[Brian Redban]

Things and spill half of it all over your counter. You always.

[Joe Rogan]

I always take it on the road. And it's great if you post hangovers, right?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Post hangovers is the.

[Brian Redban]

Or. Yeah, that's. I do it before bed. When I, in the middle of the night, I wake up. It does suck though, because I've gotten into that liquid death shit. Just because I like a cold ass can. It's cold and I try to put it in there and there's no way to shake it. Like, I wish almost liquid IV was just a drop.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Well, the liquid debt thing is like, they got a good point about plastic. I looked it up after I read the ad. I was like, why does this real that most plastic bottles don't wind up getting recycled, they just go to landfills?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that real?

[Brian Redban]

I heard Burbank.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's Google that.

[Brian Redban]

I heard Burbank, California that if you recycle for some reason they don't have enough workers or something. Or something's going on where they. You're all. Your recycled is just getting mixed in with the regular terrestrial right now. Like they really.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there's no people.

[Brian Redban]

Right. Which is so stupid. Like, are we really.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you think that it's a good thing that there's like less people working? It's almost like more people are gonna be able to innovate and figure out their life because they figured out whatever the job there was that we're doing. When Corona stopped being as much of an issue and the pandemic died down, they could have got that job again. But they were like, that I'm doing something different.

[Brian Redban]

But we need certain workers. Like where I live, like half the places closed down early because there's not enough workers.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brian Redban]

It's really psychotic where I live right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't you think that that can balance out, that they're going to have to pay more and maybe even charge a little more to pay more. And this comes with some balance where the public and the employees and everybody will come to an agreement. Like, this is a, this is a good transaction because for a lot of people, especially when that. I have a buddy that owns a place and he said when the unemployment kicked in, he said he couldn't get anybody to work. And some guys were saying things like, I'll work 20 hours a week. That's it. Because if they work more than 20, they wouldn't get their unemployment benefit.

[Brian Redban]

That's ended. Right? Yes, but what they.

[Joe Rogan]

What's crazy is they've changed the way they think about work.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, but. And I know, and so many people are making money on TikTok and stuff like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Only fans.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, but the McDonald's trail. But the McDonald's next to my house, it's like I saw a sign the other day, I think it was $18 an hour hiring. Well, $18 now. We took the minimum wage from 4 bucks, 7 bucks in some place, 8 bucks, to almost double, triple.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

That's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's pretty wild.

[Brian Redban]

Thanks, Covid.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think what's also wild is that as bad as it is for the economy, the good aspect, One thing that is definitely good is that a bunch of people have been forced to think and think about their life.

[Jamie Vernon]

What is this about plastic?

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Unfortunately, the outcome isn't as rosy as many people think. Recycling is unlikely to give plastic to go containers a new life, said John Try his name. Hochever Hocaver Josevar Josevar, a marine biologist with Greenpeace USA. Of all the waste produced in 2017, only 8.4% of it eventually got recycled. Wow.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. 8%, 8%. It doesn't even matter.

[Jamie Vernon]

Another article I found, too, said for a while we were shipping a bunch of it just to China and letting people over there deal with it, and.

[Joe Rogan]

They weren't dealing with it. They were lighting it on fire.

[Jamie Vernon]

And then, yeah, that stopped for a while.

[Joe Rogan]

They were using it to cook.

[Jamie Vernon]

It literally was. It says it was just being burned.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, have you ever seen this thing they do with a mine? Sewage. For cooking oil.

[Brian Redban]

They shouldn't do that because that's where I throw all my batteries in the sewers.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you ever seen that in China?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, we played it.

[Joe Rogan]

We played it before. Yeah, Ari told us about it. Right?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. Pretty gross.

[Joe Rogan]

It's gutter oil, they call it. Yeah, it's the craziest shit you've ever seen in your life. They take these oils and they filter them down. The oils that they get from sewers, they filter it down and use it as cooking oil. And you're like, there is no way this is real. It's a hundred percent real. And they sell it to many restaurants, apparently.

[Jamie Vernon]

All right, so before we go with the 100% real, I just want to.

[Joe Rogan]

Say, is it fake?

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, I'm typing it in, and there's only stories from 2013 showing up.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's when people stop talking about it until we stop bringing it up. Now we're bringing it up again.

[Brian Redban]

I. I have to.

[Joe Rogan]

Last time we talked about it, probably.

[Jamie Vernon]

Back then, to be honest with you.

[Joe Rogan]

But Ari told us about it, that he learned about it in China.

[Brian Redban]

We saw a video of it, too.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, no, I. I understand that.

[Brian Redban]

I remember the video, but that also.

[Jamie Vernon]

Could mean, like, someone.

[Joe Rogan]

Someone got skeptical.

[Jamie Vernon]

Someone could have made it, done it once and got it on tape. And they're like, hey, guess what we do here?

[Brian Redban]

And.

[Joe Rogan]

You want a cigar? Do you like cigars?

[Brian Redban]

I'm good. I got my little. I'm. No, I better not.

[Joe Rogan]

Trying to quit smoking.

[Brian Redban]

No, it's just. I don't really smoke cigars too much. It's so much nicotine. Like, I'm. More cigarette. I know. I saw this. Awesome.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, there's no update on it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not that much nicotine, man.

[Brian Redban]

I like to inhale, though, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Inhale every one, every, every.

[Brian Redban]

I know, but then I start getting, like. I start getting sick.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. What is this?

[Jamie Vernon]

I got the video.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, this is the gutter oil. Yep, this is it. So they go into the gutter and they scoop out water. So the husband and wife together, boy, what a relationship they have. I bet they're tight. They scoop out that shit. Shit and water. Oh my God, it was so hard to look at. And they. They take this vat of shit water and they boil it and they skim it or do whatever the fuck they have to do to take out the shit and just keep the oils and then they use it for cooking oil. And then these people are all wandering around eating food at this, like, food bazaar that was made out of shit oil.

[Brian Redban]

Now, do you think maybe there's a chance that these are some local micro Chinese people and they made a video and they tricked us? Could be like, it was just edited. Good.

[Joe Rogan]

Ari's been wrong before, you know, if.

[Jamie Vernon]

You knew you could make fake videos to trick the silly Americans, you would. And you got good at it. You would keep doing.

[Brian Redban]

Hell yeah. They think we're eating silly sewage water.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, dude. I mean, imagine if you live in China and your job is to make propaganda videos against the United States. It'll be so easy. Especially with all the WOKE nonsense. I mean, how much do you think those people have pushed people from other countries? Foreign operatives have pushed the WOKE envelope further down the line, make it more and more crazy. I almost think it's not organic. I think the wokeness has happened and been so extreme that I don't think it's the will of the people. I don't think it's how people. I think it's. They're manipulated by foreign assets. I think foreign influences, whether it's Russia or China, smart, smart people have figured out how goofy we are and they've come up with things that are even more goofy. And as they keep doing goofier and goofier and goofer, we fall in line behind them. I bet they're pushing it.

[Brian Redban]

That's why the Japanese pop is so like crazy right now, you know, like what's their name? That band BFT or.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know about that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Bts.

[Brian Redban]

Bts. Pft.

[Jamie Vernon]

Crazy.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. I mean, biggest fan in the entire world. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I'm just hearing about it now.

[Jamie Vernon]

Biggest band in our world.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, show me what it is. What is it?

[Brian Redban]

And cheesy woke like. But they're awesome. I love them.

[Joe Rogan]

How much? How are they woke?

[Brian Redban]

Because they really. They really sell to that clean cut. Like I don't know that life that's not woke.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like look judgy. And what are you saying?

[Brian Redban]

People out influence woke. That's their version of it. And it's kind of taken over. All right, let me see like the cleats.

[Joe Rogan]

I can't believe this is. This is one of the beautiful things about doing podcasts that the biggest band in the world is something that's completely escaped me. I didn't know it was a thing until just a couple minutes.

[Brian Redban]

No, I have a feeling that you're gonna see them and go, oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Nope. BTS brings New Year's biggest show yet to LA's newest venue, the Sofi Stadium. Hollywood park and Inglewood. Gear up to host a multi show, multi venue run featuring the wildly popular group. I can't believe I've never heard of this. So how many people are there to see them?

[Brian Redban]

I mean they're just the craziest number. What? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

113, 000 fans. That's insane. They played to a hundred and thirteen thousand people at the Rose Bowl. That's so crazy. How do I not know about this at all?

[Brian Redban]

Right? They said something about 30,000 per. Wait, no, never mind.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, different venue, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

How do I not know about this at all? Let me see a little bit of this. Let me see this. Dan, why didn't that play video? Here we go.

[Brian Redban]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

But BTS lights up. What does it say? Lights up LA Sofi Stadium on one on night one of Permission to Dance Tour. Permission to Dance Tour. So they're there at many days. Let me see this. What? What is happening? They've already won. They've taken over the children.

[Brian Redban]

Oh yeah, I bet your kids.

[Joe Rogan]

Your kids know about this is a Japan super group.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Are they from Japan?

[Brian Redban]

I know K pop.

[Joe Rogan]

They're Korean. Okay. Wow. Just play it out.

[Jamie Vernon]

After all.

[Brian Redban]

Just.

[Jamie Vernon]

I wanted them to do you know.

[Joe Rogan]

What I want to see?

[Jamie Vernon]

Just talking.

[Joe Rogan]

Look, but look, he's Got lipstick on. Look at the lipstick and the strange look. The chain around the neck, man, if.

[Brian Redban]

I were to switch, I would be with bts.

[Joe Rogan]

This is wild. This is like some gender bender K pop band.

[Brian Redban]

Very sexy. Cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. This is wild. This seems like like a scene in a movie where, like, someone's explaining to me what's happened. Like, I'm Will Smith and I just woke up. I was in a suspended sleep podcast. And he showed me that. I'm like, wait, how long has it been? How long have I been under? What? Wait, wait, what? What's going on? Why these guys dress up like girls? What is with the necklaces?

[Brian Redban]

You didn't get the BTS meal at McDonald's. That was all the rage.

[Joe Rogan]

What? There was one?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, like two months ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. I don't go to McDonald's. I haven't been to McDonald's in quite a while.

[Brian Redban]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Show me how they're. What are they doing? They're dancing around. What you showed me earlier was enough, though, that the. Just the look of them.

[Brian Redban]

If you saw one of the music videos, you would get it more because it's so happy and fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it didn't look unhappy.

[Brian Redban]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Or are not fun.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just like the look with the lipstick, the chains around the neck. I'm like, wow, this is fascinating. Like, this is not a. This is not a thing that existed in 1990. Right? You had a little bit of Boy George. You had a little bit of Prince. There was a little bit of things like that. But it wasn't like a band of guys who wore lipstick and were gender benders.

[Brian Redban]

Duran Duran.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think they were. Were they hungry?

[Brian Redban]

Like, Wham.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Boys, wild boys.

[Jamie Vernon]

Village People.

[Joe Rogan]

Wham was just beautiful. George Michael was beautiful.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I remember thinking before everybody realized he was gay. I remember thinking before he came out. I guess, like when I was a kid and like, wake me up before you go, go. I'd be like, what kind of man is this? This is so strange. I'm like, he's got an amazing voice. He's got incredible hair.

[Brian Redban]

And it was my first record, one of my first records. And I thought he was a sex symbol. Like, I thought all the ladies wanted him, you know, like, you got to have faith, faith, faith, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they did want him, dude. They did. Like that picture in the upper right hand corner, the black and white. Like, look at that. Come on. Go full screen. Look at that smolder, son. Tonight the music seems so loud. I wish that we could lose this crowd. Maybe it's better this way. We could have been so good together. Come on, man. That guy was a monster.

[Brian Redban]

He still is, isn't he?

[Joe Rogan]

He's dead, dude.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, he died?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, man. I think did I know that he died. And it makes me sad because I think he died. I think some of these. Some of these like gay icon pop stars that get stuck in this like sex symbol role, they're like living a fake lie and then they're tormented by it and they seek out drugs and alcohol to dull the pain. And it gets fucking weird. And he died of something when was heavy. I don't think I knew something heavy a couple of years ago. But he had bitten. I want to say he'd been caught. There was like some public intoxication thing that happened with him.

[Brian Redban]

Arrest. Stop. He was. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dilated cardiomyopathy with myocarditis and a fatty liver is what it says. According to the coroner.

[Joe Rogan]

Drugs are bad kids.

[Brian Redban]

I wonder what drugs he was doing. What poppers and.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, probably overweight too. The this. All those things are just a sign of ill health. Myocarditis, inflammation, the heart tissue. I mean, it was probably just like really sad.

[Jamie Vernon]

5 years ago on Christmas day.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no. He died on Christmas day. Oh, that freedom song. Oh, my God, I love that song. I love that song. I watched that song and I watched that video. That's like the perfect music video because you got all these like Linda Evangelista and all these like beautiful models. They're dancing around and singing along and it's like, God damn, that's a good song.

[Brian Redban]

I know another song that you probably love too. Why can't you do it?

[Joe Rogan]

Give me some more.

[Brian Redban]

Why can't you set that monkey free?

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, this is better. Listen to this. Come on. This is so nice.

[Brian Redban]

This is so good.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so nice.

[Brian Redban]

What's her name? Her name again? That model.

[Joe Rogan]

Naomi Campbell. I met her.

[Brian Redban]

Her prime.

[Joe Rogan]

She's beautiful as now.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, yes. Forever beautiful.

[Joe Rogan]

I went to her birthday party with Chappelle.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, it's nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this. They're all lip syncing these perfect faces. I mean, this is an amazing music video because these girls are pretty to look at and they're singing along with it. And there's something about models that is so interesting. It's because not just that they're beautiful, but this thing that they have is so special. It's so hard to be beautiful if you're not beautiful. You can't become beautiful. You can't just work hard and not be beautiful and be beautiful. It's like you either get it or you don't. So it's like they got the fucking hand of a lifetime. They got four aces and no one can with it. They're just monsters, thoroughbreds. And it doesn't last forever. That's part of the beauty of it. If, like you look at that lady in that video and now I'm sure she doesn't look like that anymore, like, she probably looks like a regular person. Whereas back then she would walk into any restaurant, any bar, and people be like, wow, wow.

[Brian Redban]

Have you seen Cindy Crawford lately?

[Joe Rogan]

She's still stunning.

[Brian Redban]

Exactly the same.

[Joe Rogan]

She's stunning. Yeah. But the point is, it's like there's a thing when you see a beautiful girl that's unfair. It's not like anything in life where it's like when, if you're a girl and you're a 10, like if you're an undeniably beautiful woman, the whole atmosphere of a room changes when you walk into it. It's different than anything else. And a lot of it is like, sure, it's important to exercise, sure it's important to eat. Well, all those things are very important. But let's not pretend a lot of it is just the roll of the dice that life gives you. And sometimes you're just hot as fuck and you don't have to do anything about it. And you have this power. And we are drawn to it because we know they're almost like a aesthetic royalty. Like someone who just has just born perfectly good looking. It's like a royalty thing. When you see Linda Evangelista singing along, Naomi Campbell singing along to that freedom song, and George Michael singing it too. Give me a little more of that. Please, give me a little more of that.

[Brian Redban]

Let's take it back.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me see that. It's a great song, man. Come on. This is a great song.

[Brian Redban]

And a good video too.

[Joe Rogan]

God damn, that's a good song. He was a bad Jamie. Yeah, get into it, Jamie. Jamie caught a vibe. Come on.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, he's burning his BTS jacket.

[Joe Rogan]

He's getting rid of his old image. Don't you get it?

[Brian Redban]

It's coming out.

[Joe Rogan]

He's escaping.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, oh, oh, look at that. Upside down blow job.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, he's doing sit ups.

[Brian Redban]

Wait, that's not stretching his back out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that too. He's got a teeter. Yeah, Wild again. Like some kind of crazy car accident too. We was up.

[Brian Redban]

Was he?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I believe so. I believe there was some sort of a vehicle Situation Either a car accident or got pulled over and he was hammered. I might. He might have hit a house. Am I wrong? Did he hit a house?

[Jamie Vernon]

Suffered a head injury. And when he fell from his moving car on the M1 motorway.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it. I knew it was something like that.

[Brian Redban]

Fell from his car.

[Joe Rogan]

Not good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just feel like some of those really, really, really, really famous musicians, it's just tortured.

[Brian Redban]

Same with comedians, though, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Same with everybody, man. And being famous is not a walk in the park. It's complicated. Like, you got a. There's a little mental gymnastics that you have to do to. To deal with it and to be normal that most people just crack.

[Brian Redban]

It's all about disguise for me. Right. Just change your look all the time. Hide from everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

That would help. Yeah. If you could do it. Like, there's some people that have pulled it off. I always said that the. The greatest in all of. If you went back through, like, music history, who would you think is the most clever of all rock stars?

[Brian Redban]

Clever?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Brian Redban]

In what way?

[Joe Rogan]

Steve Miller. I'm gonna answer for you. Know why? Nobody knows what he looks like.

[Brian Redban]

Okay, Think about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Big old jet airliner, that guy. Jungle love Jungle love is driving me mad. Yo, here's a story about Billy Joe and Bobby Sue. Remember that guy? Yeah. You couldn't pick him out of a lineup. You have no idea what he looks like. Somehow or another, he managed to be a rock star with, like, all time classic songs. No one knows what he looks like.

[Brian Redban]

Okay, what's the other guy that moved to, like, an island and changed his name and he's like, now like, a priest?

[Joe Rogan]

Jared Leto.

[Brian Redban]

No, no, no, no. The old singer. That was, like, during the same time.

[Joe Rogan]

What? Oh, Cat Stevens.

[Brian Redban]

Cat Stevens. Cat Stevens. Out of a line.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true. That's a very good point. Yeah, but he converted to Islam, right? I'd like to talk to that guy. Hell, yeah, I would. I would. Cat, if they don't arrest you upon arrival in America, how is he allowed to come here?

[Brian Redban]

I think so. If not, you could zoom in, baby.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel like he was doing concerts in Mexico and I was like, why is he doing concerts in Mexico?

[Brian Redban]

Like, I loved him growing up, man. That was great.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a great artist, man. He's a great artist. I mean, some of his songs are incredible.

[Brian Redban]

Frank Zappa.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

Everyone knows what he looks like, but he looks like a Muppet.

[Joe Rogan]

You mean, There's a lot of, like, artists that you would dismiss for whatever reasons, you know, you don't think it's like your kind of music, but, like, James Taylor like that I seen fire and I seen rain, that if that song doesn't make you tear up, you're not a human.

[Brian Redban]

You know, we've been both into the same band recently. Bump, bump, bump, bump. Sunning in the sky Electric Light Orchestra.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus Christ. That was the worst impression of ELO ever. Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

Such a happy song. One of the happiest songs ever made in the world.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's. That's a beautiful song. We play Showdown before every show.

[Brian Redban]

Hell, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Play ELO Showdown. Hey, which one do you want to.

[Brian Redban]

Use to listen to this? Oh, it's. Hey, you activated my watch.

[Joe Rogan]

That's hilarious. Your watch is better than my phone. Here we go. This is what we do before every show. There's something about this song that, like, it makes me want to dance around before a show. It's like the Get Loose song. Like you're having a drink. Took a couple of hits.

[Brian Redban]

Wait, where is this recorded? Like, on the White House or something? Or is this where the Beatles parking.

[Joe Rogan]

Lot in front of the White House in 1973? I don't know. What?

[Jamie Vernon]

Is that the White House?

[Joe Rogan]

Is that the White House? That's not the White House, is it? It's probably a green screen.

[Jamie Vernon]

It would be the Capitol building.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think it's that either. What is that building? Look at that, dude.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, that's Frank Sabbath.

[Joe Rogan]

Hello. It's a great song. There's so much good music from that era.

[Brian Redban]

Isn't it also crazy? Like, I didn't grow up with elo. Like, I. That I was like Zeppelin, Beatles, all that stuff, and somehow they escaped me. I never listened to them.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's so much to get a hold of back then, man. If you go back and listen to music from the 1970s, you can get lost. There's so many bands. They put out so much work. You could. It's like a. A room in a warehouse where you, like, see shelves with boxes. You just got to go in through all of them.

[Brian Redban]

I loved Croce. Jim Croce was one of my favorites.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, yeah, don't tug on Superman's cake. Don't spit in the wind.

[Jamie Vernon]

Did you watch any of that Beatles documentary that came out?

[Brian Redban]

Which one?

[Jamie Vernon]

There's like, a Beatles documentary that came out where they filmed at a score Seeds, or someone had something to do.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

They filmed, like, the whole filming of them making that album, which I then read they scrapped, and then they made a different album. It Was like their last album they made.

[Brian Redban]

Really.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's a video of like Paul McKer, one of their most famous songs they're like making. While you're watching them film it kind of.

[Brian Redban]

Huh?

[Jamie Vernon]

Or you're watching them create it as it's being filmed. I should say. Pretty interesting. But how many of those albums, that album didn't get scrapped, but how many albums back in those days, shelved was the term, you know, whether like they didn't like it or for whatever reason, they just fucking didn't put it out and you were fucked.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, there's. There's certain music from like the 80s and then like, where it almost seems like there's a band that's trying to compensate for the fact that everything's falling apart. There's bands that are trying like everything's going poppy and weird. And there's certain bands that just. They made it with like eclectic non poppy at all music, you know.

[Brian Redban]

Well, it's a lot of the. I don't want to say this really. A lot of the music nowadays is ridiculous. It's like, like same thing repeated a hundred times with, you know. You know, like a lot of like the. What used to be rap was awesome. Like listening to Nas or NWA and stuff. Now it's samples. And now it's like, is that even rap or is that just like a good beat?

[Joe Rogan]

Who sang the Sultans of Swing? That was. Oh my God. Dire Straits. Thank you, Dire Straits. That was a great example. Like that song. That was a song that like, you could tell, like, that was not. There's nothing poppy about that song. There were certain bands that just, like, they just made art. They just did their thing. They just did their thing. They didn't. Like, you could tell the difference between like a Milli Vanilli and a band that's just doing their thing, you know, like, guys have produced things that were kind of catchy, but there's nothing to it. Like, there's not. It never makes you feel a certain way. It was just poppy and catchy and you kind of go along with it. And then there's music that makes you feel something. You know, you just feel something like that. I've seen Fire and I've seen Rain Song, that James Taylor song. It's about losing somebody that you love. It's. It's a crazy song. It's a great song. Like, it's. There's. There's a fucking. There's a feeling you get in that song of like a loss and I don't know why we like that? I don't know why we like feeling sad in songs, but that's like one of the only times I enjoy feeling sad. I don't like sad movies, but there's some sad songs that hit you.

[Brian Redban]

Especially if you really focus in on it.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you ever hear Bad Company Superstar?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, play this. I had a dream the other day. What's up? Oh, give me the hell of that too.

[Brian Redban]

Then.

[Joe Rogan]

We'll do that afterwards. Give me a little of this. This is him doing it live. This was handsome as fuck with a full head of hair. My God, did this man sling dick, right? Just yesterday morning they let me know you were gone Suzanne, the plan to me put an end to you I.

[Brian Redban]

Walked out on the morning and I.

[Joe Rogan]

Wrote down this song. I just can't remember who to send it to. A great fucking song. I seen fire and I've seen rain I seen sunny days that I thought would never end I seen lonely times when I could not find a friend But I always thought that I'd see you again dude, it's a great fucking song. Great.

[Brian Redban]

Almost like the soundtrack to. From moving to LA to Austin. I've seen fire, I've seen rain It's.

[Joe Rogan]

A great song is at hand and I won't make it any other way. It's a beautiful song. I seen fire and I seen rain I seen sunny days that I thought would never end I seen lonely times When I could not find a friend But I always thought that I'd see you again, you know? That's a song that's not cool alike, you know, it's cool to like the Stooges, you know? You know.

[Brian Redban]

Cool song, Dave. What are you talking about? It sounds cool. It's emotional as fuck.

[Joe Rogan]

I think so. But you and I are. We were. We're able to show emotions.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, totally. That's mushrooms.

[Joe Rogan]

It definitely helps. Some people, like really struggle to find emotions. What was the other song?

[Jamie Vernon]

Bad Company.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. Bad Company Superstar. This is when I. Shooting star. Sorry, Is it when? Yeah, don't you know? You are Susan Shock. When I was a kid, when I would get together with my dirtbag friends and we would drink alcohol underage. We would play this song and everybody had this idea in their head. That's it. That you were gonna be Johnny from this song and that you were gonna be this fucking rock star.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Give me some volume. Love it too. I think it was from there. It didn't take him long. Got himself a guitar. Used to play every night. Now he's in a Rock and roll outfit and everything's all right, don't you know? Every kid when I was in high school wanted to be this live fast, die hard rock star, romantic character because life is too complicated. It's too nerve wracking.

[Brian Redban]

And what these songs used to like, create environments, like stories, storytelling. Now it's just like, you know, but this is actually telling you a story. It's like this is a superhero, like superstar. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This was a song where every kid when I was 13 or 14, wanted to pretend he was Johnny.

[Jamie Vernon]

Were you listening to it on back then?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, oh my God, cassettes. Well, you would hear it on the radio and you would try to record it on the radio. But it was also like, this is the sad part. There we go.

[Brian Redban]

Turn it off, Jamie, turn it off, turn it off.

[Joe Rogan]

Johnny made a record, went straight up to number one. Suddenly everyone loved to hear him sing a song. Watching the world go by, surprising, it goes so fast. Johnny looked around him and said, wait, I made the big time last. It's the most oversimplified story of rock superstardom ever. But we all know that there's people that did become. Keep it rolling. There's people that did become that guy. There's Jim Morrison, there's Jimi Hendrix, there's Janis Joplin. There's people that died when they were 27 years old on the top of the fucking world. So this is a song when you were a kid. When I was like 14, we'd hear this, you would get solemn, be like, wow. Like we were all sitting, nod our heads, bunch of morons, 14 year old morons going through puberty. Probably drinking their brother's Jack Daniels that we stole and listening to. Someone had a boombox and we're listening to this song on a boombox on a cassette. Might even been a fucking eight track. I don't think so. I think we were in cassettes by then. But it was, it was the song, it was like the anthem. But every. Everybody wanted to be someone that everybody remembered when you were gone. It's almost like you know that it doesn't matter. You're gonna live, you're gonna die. Like, wouldn't it be great if people talked about you when you were dead? This is like the thing that made it romantic. This is the thing that people love. And this is probably most people's favorite part of the song. This is the heartfelt part. Johnny died one night Died in his bed bottle of whiskey Sleeping with tablets by his head Johnny's life passing by like a warm summer Day. If you listen to the wind, you can still hear play. See, it's like, hey, Johnny might have died, but we all remember him. Because most of us, most of us are gonna experience something different. You're gonna live, you're gonna die, and people are gonna forget. And you don't want that. You'd rather go out like a shooting star.

[Brian Redban]

It's better to burn out than to fade away. Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, bro. Oh, it's amazing, these songs that, like you said, told stories. Yeah, yeah, Okay, I got one more. I got one more.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, God.

[Joe Rogan]

This is one. One of my all time favorites, the Ballad of Curtis Lowe. Ah, Leonard Skynyrd.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This is another one. This is a story. It's a tear jerker and it's Leonard Skynyrd. When they were in their prime. They were in their prime. At first. I first heard this song on an elliptical machine. And I was listening to this on an elliptical machine. I'm like a Walkman or some shit. And I just listened to it over and over and over again because it just made me think about that this is not gonna last. Like, life is not permanent. Like you got to make the most out of this thing. It gave me energy listening to this song because it's about a person that affected people. Even though he's like. All he did was play music. But this kid, this young kid would go and give this guy money to watch him play songs. He used to own a no dubro. Used to play it off his knees. I give old Kurt my money. He play all day for me. Give me some volume. Jamie. This is from Florida. This is one of only four things good to ever come out of Florida artistically. Tom Petty. Who else?

[Brian Redban]

Oranges.

[Joe Rogan]

Oranges. Pick them out of Florida. Jacksonville, of course. Roy Jones Jr. Now if you think about all their other songs, this is one of the most unique songs ever to Leonard Skynyrd. But it's a story. He looked be 60, maybe I was 10. Mama used to whoop me. But I'd go see him again. It's like they don't do this anymore. This style of music.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. At all? Not at all.

[Joe Rogan]

Why not?

[Brian Redban]

Because the kids don't like hearing this. You're giving me a hair beating. I want to hear techno music and the same five samples over and over fast.

[Joe Rogan]

I said, like, are we the people that are, like, looking like. You know, when old folks would look back to like, classical music and like, oh, that was the real music. This music today is bullshit. Are we? Is that what's wrong? Are we like From a. Like, we can't appreciate new music because we're too old? Or is it that there's, like, a subtlety to the emotional message of some of these songs that have stories in them that is, like, people forgot about?

[Brian Redban]

I mean, I like new music, but I consider this more like a warm blanket and, you know, sitting back and chilling and where there's some music where I'm just like, no, I just want to have fun while I'm driving, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, dude. There's a Still to my money, for my money, there's still a guitar solo in Leonard Skynyrd, Freebird. That is the greatest guitar solo the world's ever known. I don't know if there's ever been better. It's different. And that. It's not really a solo in that he's improvising. Like, they did the same exact guitar solo every night. He did the same exact chords, the same exact way. Do you ever see the live version of Leonard Skynyrd?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, but then you think of, like, Hendrix. You're like, well, I mean, that's.

[Joe Rogan]

Hendrix was amazing. Don't get me wrong. He was the greatest guitarist of all time. But this is, I think, the greatest orchestrated guitar solo in a song, because which Van Zant was the. The lead guitarist? That motherfucker could play. He could play. And it was. When they would do these guitar solos, like that guitar solo, and Freebird is like. It's. It's thunder. I mean, it's. It's a crazy guitar solo. And when the dude's playing it live in front of people. Joey Diaz told me that they were opening for the Rolling Stones, and there was a part to the stage that went out into the crowd. They weren't supposed to touch that. They were supposed to only play in the back area. But they got loose on stage and started making their way out to the front. They're like, fuck it. Like, we're gonna. We're just going for it.

[Brian Redban]

I think that's a hilarious story, that.

[Joe Rogan]

It'S a part of the stage that we're not allowed to do.

[Brian Redban]

Not have to do that. All right, Just don't use this one part of the stage.

[Joe Rogan]

Throw off our stage mate. No, no, I'm gonna go out there. I'm gonna go out there barefoot. I'm from Florida. Can you. Can you find the live version of Freebird? There's, like, this stretch where it's just. It's just jamming. There's songs from back then that's like they were riding on a different Cultural wave. The world was changing all around them. The Vietnam War was ending.

[Brian Redban]

A lot of acid and psychedelics.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that. Bad. Back it up a little.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

There it is right here. Look at this. Look at all these people, man. 1977, baby.

[Brian Redban]

Super Spreader event, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

There was no disease back then.

[Brian Redban]

This is all crap. It's all fish creature.

[Joe Rogan]

This is solo, son.

[Brian Redban]

No bras.

[Joe Rogan]

These people going off. My God, look how much fun these are having. I mean, this is a guitar. Our solo, man.

[Jamie Vernon]

You can see him playing it though, sometimes.

[Joe Rogan]

But they just want to show all these hot girls and think they're awesome. Look at the guys. The guys are stupefied. I'm around hot girls. Look at all the hot girls.

[Brian Redban]

They're all acid.

[Joe Rogan]

That girl's got a sunburn. She needs to get that taken care of. I hope every bad. Look at him go. Look at him go. I can't do anything like that with my hands. Look how fucking fast he's moving. You imagine being that dude and being up there just rocking the out in front of looks like 150,000 people. And this guitar solo is insane. And it goes on and on and on. This. Think about, like, how long the song is. Like an eight minute song. Damn, this is good. Look at him. He's coming. Oh, my God. And there's a part when he gets deep into this where he jumps up in the air. It's my favorite part in the video. God damn. Look at that. Bad. I mean, who knows what would have happened if it wasn't for that plane crash. These dudes were talented. God Damn. That's history. 1977. Look how long this guitar solo goes. It's insane. Look at them go. This is the same.

[Brian Redban]

Stepping on crabs, scraps.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a crab attack. God damn it. You forget how long this is and how good it is. Don't you wish you could have hair like that? My God, yeah. Look at that.

[Brian Redban]

That Megan Murphy hair. Morgan Murphy hair.

[Joe Rogan]

His elite. That's it.

[Brian Redban]

Out of control.

[Joe Rogan]

God damn.

[Brian Redban]

So beautiful.

[Joe Rogan]

No Internet. You had to call people at home. They might not be there.

[Brian Redban]

That's why I'm so surprised you don't like the Grateful Dead. Because that's all. What Grateful Dead is, is that jam.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a different vibe.

[Brian Redban]

I think you need to get into it, man. I think you have to be forced to listen to.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the problem. You would have to force me, right?

[Brian Redban]

But I think after like 30 days, you'd be like, dude, I'm a Deadhead. You'd get like.

[Joe Rogan]

I just. They just truly. I'm missing that gene, you know, Some people have that gene where cilantro tastes like soap. Some people have that.

[Brian Redban]

But that's so close to Grateful Death.

[Joe Rogan]

That is not. You shut your mouth.

[Brian Redban]

Jam band style. Jesus Christ. Jamming.

[Joe Rogan]

That is not what that is. That's not what that is. You son of a.

[Brian Redban]

Crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

You son of a.

[Brian Redban]

You cray cray.

[Joe Rogan]

That is not what that is. You're out of your jam, bitch.

[Brian Redban]

That's pretty much like what.

[Joe Rogan]

Jam out of your mind. They are so different. They're not even remotely similar.

[Brian Redban]

You're crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Fish. Fish is like the Grateful Dead, right?

[Brian Redban]

Because that's a jam band also. And.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

And it's just like guitar. Long guitar solos and just jamming and dancing. That's all what Grateful Dead is.

[Joe Rogan]

Larry Skinner was all about getting out of town. That was half their songs. Half their songs are so much.

[Brian Redban]

Train. Hi.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no, no, no. They were rock and roll. Whiskey, cocaine, Chaos, Pistols. It was like you were always getting out of town. Give me three steps. Give me three steps, Mr. 38 Special. Like, there was. There was always like, Ooh, that smell. Those like. I got to get out of town. They call me the Breeze. See ya. They were always, like, running away from girls. They was trying to get out of town, trying to be free. I got to be free. I'm free. Bird. There was. It's a totally different experience, man. These are wild ass rock and roll people in the 1970s from Florida. Okay? What they were doing is writing songs just about escaping relationships with women and getting out of town.

[Brian Redban]

Look at Jerry's fast fingers here. I mean, I don't know what. Why that came out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it sounds good, but it's just. It's. It's. The difference is, like, the testosterone and the rage and the. The.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like there's a speed and a energy to it and there's like a wildness to it that doesn't exist in the Grateful Dead music. It's not the Grateful Dead. Look, I love James Taylor. It's like. It doesn't all have to be like that. But my kind of. But I really. I like. There's something about. There's a feel that those guys were going through in the 1970s and the 1960s where they realized that the world was just changing. And you could feel it in the music. You get all. It's like you're. It's a time capsule. It's like when they take a core sample of the Earth. And they go back. Well, I think it was like this 12, 000 years ago. When you watch. There's certain recordings from the 70s and the 60s where you watch it and you just, like. You picture yourself back there. You feel the energy of being there, that these kids were just wild and the. The 50s were over. And now all of a sudden everyone's doing acid and no one even knew what it was about. And your parents are all squares and you're like, fucking.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And Jimi Hendrix is playing the National Anthem with his teeth. There's a feeling from that music that you just. You're not going to get today. They can't do it. They can't do it. They'll do a different thing. It's. It'd be equally great, maybe for some artists, but you're never going to recreate that feeling in history. And I feel like you can get a little bit of that when you listen to, like, Voodoo Child or All along the Watchtower. There's certain songs that, like, you just feel like you're there. All along the watchtower. Give me some Hendrix. All along the Watchtower, which, by the way, was a Bob Dylan song. And Hendrix did a cover of a Bob Dylan song. It's like one of the rare times. So it's like, God, it's hard. That's better. That's a better version.

[Brian Redban]

Like, that happens all a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but that's one of the ones where, like, one guy's a legend in Bob Dylan and another guy comes along and is like, yeah, I think I could have done it a little different. And he did it in a way that was like, my God, you hear this song, and this is like a song that transports you, like, instantly to the 60s. This is the 60s?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, baby.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, the sound right there must be some kind of way out of here. Imagine your parents were like Gold water Republicans, and they thought that smoking cigarettes is good to do when you're pregnant. You know, doctors recommend Camels, Volkswagen bands, and they're all coming out of that. And they're, like, dropping out of school and listening to Timothy Leary, and they're taking acid and going to these concerts. And Haight Ashbury is like this wild hippie haven. And there's this one dude who plays the guitar like no human that's ever lived. And everyone's drawn to it. There's one dude who everybody looks at and goes, my God, that's the best guitarist that's ever lived. And to this day, when you say who's the best guitarist of all time. No reason to. Everybody says Hendrix. Everybody.

[Brian Redban]

You have.

[Joe Rogan]

First of all, he's a legend and he's dead. But I don't care how good Eddie Van Halen was, He's a legend. He's dead, too. He was amazing. Hendrix, that's number one. It's the goat. And when you listen to this song, you get transported into this age where people are losing their innocence. They're waking up to the fact that Vietnam War. War is. It's crazy. This isn't World War II. What the is? Eisenhower was right. What is happening? What are we doing? I'm not going to live like my dad, man. I'm going to move to Mexico. We're going to start a surf shop in Mexico. Yeah, well, back then, Mexico was safe. Yeah. Those are for the cartels.

[Brian Redban]

Did you hear how they're attacking all the resorts lately? Yeah, that's fucking scary.

[Joe Rogan]

Scary. Yeah. Someone got shot with a random bullet. They were doing an assassination at the resort.

[Brian Redban]

And then it happened, like, again, like a week later.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The wars between the cartels is serious stuff, man. It's right there. It's crazy how much we concentrated on Afghanistan. What's like literally like a giant plane flight on the other side of the planet. But what's happening right next door evades us. And the simplest solution to start to cut it off is to say, you guys, whatever. Whatever we're doing in this country in terms of drugs, we got to make things legal. The only way you can regulate it is if we make things legal. People are selling it anyway. We're just making the people that are selling it. Or the worst, most ruthless criminals, we're making them insanely rich. So let's just put a large tax on this. That goes to rehabilitation centers, community centers. Maybe we can fix all these. Imagine if just making drugs legal, fix all the problems we have with inner cities. Imagine if that's where the money can come from. Imagine people like, well, we would love to fix south side of Chicago, but we don't have any money. Okay, well, what if you let pharmaceutical companies sell pure cocaine and they have to pay a large tax? Like, you remember when marijuana, medical marijuana was like a 39% tax, and we were like, okay. Like, nobody even batted it. I like, okay, I'll pay it. Because, like, they just wanted to be able to buy weed with a credit card. They were so psyched. They could just get weed. If they did that with cocaine and heroin, and you get pure heroin and pure cocaine, and you could buy it at a drugstore. Normal places. If they just said, listen, we're gonna have people ready with those kits to fucking. If people overdose, to shoot them up and bring them back to life.

[Brian Redban]

Get a strawberry banana, Norcom or whatever it's called.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Narcon. Right. But the amount of money that they would make if they just had to put 39% of that into fixing up communities. Holy shit, dude. That might actually fix things.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, but you think that change things, but, like, at least Texas won't even fucking, you know, with marijuana laws and stuff like that.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's good. Let's keep these Californians out of here, bro.

[Brian Redban]

They have a problem with Delta 8, which is crazy. Yeah, something's not right with that. Because as much as everyone has always talked about how Texas loves to party, man, we like to drink, hook them horns, float the river. And they're all about beer, koozies and alcohol. But yet. Oh, man, weed. You gotta get thrown in jail, like, if they. Yeah, it's so surprising. Of all states, Texas has a problem with marijuana. And, you know, the second becomes legal, like California style, we would have so much better. So much more money for highways and. And our grid. Electricity grid here. Like, go to so many places.

[Joe Rogan]

True. And you're gonna have the exact same amount of people smoking weed. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, it's not hard to get. I've been handed more weed since I moved to Austin than any other place in my life.

[Brian Redban]

Absolutely.

[Joe Rogan]

And a lot of people grow it and they grow good weed. But when you smoke it, you think about. The Comanches.

[Jamie Vernon]

Don'T have like, gambling casinos. They should. I know Vegas is obviously a thing, but like, the biggest casino in the world should be in Texas, right?

[Brian Redban]

Absolutely.

[Joe Rogan]

Why don't they have casinos here?

[Brian Redban]

Dallas should be just the Vegas.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Why can't they have casinos? I don't know. But what is like, you know, when I went with. I went with Whitney Cummings and Lex Friedman and my wife to Vegas.

[Brian Redban]

That looks like fun.

[Joe Rogan]

And we hung out with David Goggins and his wife for a little bit. We played a little bit of blackjack. I played blackjack and I lost money like that.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, no, it was all.

[Joe Rogan]

It just. All just went away. I didn't lose a lot of money.

[Brian Redban]

I lost like, how much is a lot? It was only like 2.5.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no, no. It's like a thousand dollars at the most. There's like a couple thousand bucks.

[Jamie Vernon]

Slot machines there. You can put a hundred, 200 in and hit a button three times, and it's all gone. And you just happened.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, this was 100 bucks.

[Jamie Vernon]

What just happened?

[Joe Rogan]

So we played for, like, 20 minutes. 20 minutes. I lost all the money. Tip the lady. I'm like, okay, bye. Please get out of here. It was just. You realize that you can get sucked into it so bad because I was just hoping for a favorable outcome. I was like, okay, stick on 15, maybe she'll bust. Okay, I'm gonna stay. And then she get 20, you know? And we were doing that, like, over and over and over again. And I was realizing, like, I don't know what I'm doing. Like, why am I here? Yeah, I don't know. I barely know how to play this game. But occasionally I won. Like, yeah, I got that chip. Look at that feeling. Oh, two in a row. Oh, who's the winner now? And then eventually they win.

[Brian Redban]

Aren't you glad you're not. You don't you got that gambling bug at all?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I could. That's the thing, dude. I could totally get that. I'm a. I'm a sick person. If you give me a thing that I get excited about, I focus on it. Well, I mean, Vegas obsessively, but that's what I'm saying. Like, I could be a guy who only plays poker all the time. I just want to play poker all day long and gamble on poker. That could have been me. A hundred percent. I'm. I'm a fucking moron. Like, if you give me a thing, it doesn't have to be profitable or. Or beneficial to me. If I get obsessed with getting good at it, whether it's a video game or of a fucking. If it's darts. If I just, like, start getting into darts, I'm a moron. I'll get addicted to it. And the more dopamine hits, you get out of, like, a victory. Like, if you're playing, like, cards and it's for, like, 150 bucks a hand, and you know you're up a couple thousand, you start going, oh. And every time you win, then you lose. You win. It's like that roller coaster ride of, like, bullshit is what keeps people. I totally could get addicted to that.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, we've talked about pool a lot. Did you know, like, darts gets legitimate crowds in Europe? Like, they're cheering and you're a giant fucking crowd.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why we should have kept the Internet from Europe. Really. They don't deserve it.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like a soccer stadium. That's not that quite. That. That's a lot of people.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's. That's a. For sure. A Tom Segura concert.

[Brian Redban]

Well, if you don't have stand up Comedy con, you know, shows that are worth it.

[Joe Rogan]

Bro, he's out of line. There's 10, 000 people in that room. That's crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

And he's playing darts.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at all these people. That's a huge. That's a stadium. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're probably all wasted. I can see beers.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they're trying to get them triple. Triple twenties. Got to get them.

[Brian Redban]

This is a championship though. Like maybe this is like the super.

[Jamie Vernon]

Bowl of darts even still.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that. Two in a row. Oh, my God. He went two in a row at triple 20 or double 20.

[Jamie Vernon]

The new video game things. When they have these giant. They barely get that excited when a crazy thing happens. You know, they're getting excited because they're there and it's fun. But like, these guys are all jumping out of their seats.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this guy.

[Jamie Vernon]

I just. I just saw this video or something.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jamie Vernon]

I didn't know this was even happening.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my goodness. It's a strange game.

[Brian Redban]

I like darts. Darts is bad. Are great because you don't have to have like a pool table sized room. You can just throw it on the wall.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine if you got really good at like, what's that stupid one where you roll the sandbag? You throw the sandbag, it goes into the hole. Corn.

[Brian Redban]

Cornhole.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Imagine if you. You like the best at that. Like, nobody cares.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When I was a kid and I worked at the Boston Athletic Club, there was a guy who was a racquetball pro and he was really good at racquetball, but nobody gave a fuck. He couldn't make any money and he realized how much money tennis players were making. So he tried to make the transition to tennis, but it was too late. Like, he wasn't good at tennis, but he was really good at racquetball. Like, he got really good at one specific kind of game. And then tennis was kind of similar because it was a paddle game he played with a racket, but not close enough. And he never made it. That dude scared the fuck.

[Brian Redban]

I was third, third place paper football champion in my high school.

[Joe Rogan]

Who's number one and two?

[Brian Redban]

I can't remember. Marcus and somebody else.

[Joe Rogan]

And what podcast do they have?

[Brian Redban]

They don't. One guy's a video game. He makes video games.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you have anybody that you're friends with from a long time ago that started a podcast?

[Brian Redban]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank God. Thank God.

[Brian Redban]

I don't think so. My goodness, no. Like they're all like married kids. You know, their kids are already in college. You know, half my. The people I grew up with are like. Like I joined my best friend growing up, his kids. She. I found her only fans the other day and I'm.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you. There's some guys whose like girlfriends and wives have only fans.

[Brian Redban]

A lot of people have onlyfans.

[Joe Rogan]

And you know what? When they start making the kind of money that a lot of these gals are making, no hate girls. No hate at all. For me, it's hard to quit.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, if you're, if your husband wants you to quit a hundred thousand dollar a month gig. Like what? All I have to do is show my asshole, Make a hundred thousand dollars a month or I work and make a hundred thousand dollars every two years the fuck out of here. Are you high? Come on, bitch, pull it together. So other people get to see my asshole. What's the problem?

[Brian Redban]

It's like that girl that's on Fighter and the kid who makes $4.2 billion.

[Joe Rogan]

I know she gets mad.

[Brian Redban]

That was a joke. I'm just kidding. She's great.

[Joe Rogan]

She got upset.

[Brian Redban]

She's great.

[Joe Rogan]

We divulge. Divulged numbers.

[Brian Redban]

I saw that.

[Joe Rogan]

Sorry, but I thought it would just bring more people to the honeyhole.

[Brian Redban]

I know, but because they go, how.

[Joe Rogan]

Much of these feet really worth?

[Brian Redban]

But like I know so many people are exactly the same like you, you. It's so surprising. I know one girl doesn't even get naked. She just once in a while wears a shirt that you can kind of see through her shirt and see her nipple, you know, just like the color of it. She has like 4000 patreon fan or only fans or something like that. And each one I think it's 10 bucks. So that's.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Jesus Christ.

[Brian Redban]

Posting your Instagram pretty much on, you know, that's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy. Yeah, all you would have to do is have like wet underwear. I like bend over and like look behind you. Yeah, wet underwear on. That would be worth a go. Okay, I'll take it. Good enough. I'd like you to start doing butt play, please. Do they, do they request things?

[Brian Redban]

Oh yeah, I think it's just like any other thing, you know, if you.

[Joe Rogan]

Request you get a gold.

[Brian Redban]

Some girls have that, not all, you know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Some girls like they'll do like a cameo for the guy or something.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, Mike. Yeah, it's your best friend Belinda.

[Brian Redban]

We were talking about earlier, about how guys not having the fart jar girl.

[Jamie Vernon]

She's launching an NFT Fart chars. Nft.

[Joe Rogan]

Fart jars. Nft. Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

You know, I saw this and I.

[Joe Rogan]

Farted in a lot of fraud. A lot of fraud.

[Brian Redban]

I farted the other day in a cup and just like sealed it up right when I farted in it just to see if it smelled later. And it doesn't even smell later. So it's this thing. Stupid.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's not because we're talking about it. So she won. It's not stupid. You're stupid. No, no, you're stupid.

[Brian Redban]

No. Kitty fart cup. Remember that?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, that's right.

[Brian Redban]

Alex Jones fart cup.

[Joe Rogan]

God, you did that a long time.

[Brian Redban]

I farted in a cup and put in an Alex Jones face.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, you did that in like the early 2000s.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, that's right.

[Joe Rogan]

I forgot about the fart cup.

[Brian Redban]

That business is a sham, man. It's all air.

[Joe Rogan]

It was you. You starred this all.

[Brian Redban]

That's right. On that cat.

[Joe Rogan]

Far cup deluxe.

[Brian Redban]

Look at him. Look at his stupid face.

[Joe Rogan]

That poor cat.

[Brian Redban]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Poor cat. Did not want to be there for your farts. Did not consent too farting in her face.

[Brian Redban]

I do miss having cats. Do you have cats anymore?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brian Redban]

Do you miss it?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't miss a box of shit in my house.

[Brian Redban]

True. That is true.

[Joe Rogan]

The thing about cats, I love cats, but when they are walking, they shit and then they scratch around in the piss and the shit, and then they walk around your house. I don't know if that's good. Especially if you have carpets. When I see people who have cats and carpets, I'm like, well, that's just like a. Disgusting. A rat.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. Gross.

[Joe Rogan]

Some. The worst thing is when you go over a friend's house and they have cats and they don't know their house smells like this.

[Brian Redban]

Oh. Or when they're wearing a jacket and they give you a hug and you smell it on their jacket. I've had to tell like three or four people. Like, you have cats, don't you? Goes, yeah. He goes, dude, you got cat pee on your jacket. And they get offended. No, I don't, man.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brian Redban]

No, I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you do.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, you do.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I had a cat who pissed in my shoe.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. She used to pee in my shoes if she was upset at me for something, you know, like if I was gone all day and I'd come home and I'm like, what the fuck? Is my sneaker wet lifting up? And there was Piss in there.

[Brian Redban]

Dude, I had a cat that peed on my new couch and it smelled so bad I couldn't clean it. So I had to take like, that powdered like carpet powder and put it underneath the cushions just to cover it up so that. But when you sat down, it made this big cloud of like. And it still smelled like. You still can't get out of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Cats will piss on you, your pillow. They'll do weird things to. With you. They do it on purpose. They get mad at you.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. At least dog pee doesn't have that ammonia thing that you can't get rid of. It's just normal pee is pungent. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And it, it lasts. It stays. Stays in the air.

[Brian Redban]

Put cat pee in a, in a cup and sell it.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, man, I, I love animals. I love all kinds of animals, but I love dogs more than any animal. I just. You can hang out with them. Them, you could talk to them and they react to you. They slap you when you talk to them. They'll high five you. Like. I say the Marshall, give me kisses, give me kisses. Gives me kisses. And we, we cuddled together.

[Brian Redban]

I want a golden retriever so bad.

[Joe Rogan]

They're the best. Dude.

[Brian Redban]

I love golden.

[Joe Rogan]

So sweet. Like, I can say, let's crawl. Come here, let's cuddle. And he'll like, come over to me and, like, rub into me. And then I, I hug him and I put him on the ground. I rub his belly and he's just so sweet. He's just. My friend calls him, My friend Mike calls him love sponges. Mike. Yeah, it's a love sponge. He's a love sponge. He just loves. He loves everybody, man. Everybody comes over. He's not like, he doesn't like, favor one person over another. He loves everybody.

[Brian Redban]

It's so different though, when the, When a dog poops or pees in the house though, right? Like, it's not fun. It's like, like, oh, is the freezer leaking or the refrigerator leaking? Like, and you fall like a puddle. Like, when my shits pee, it's like a little drop. I'm like, oh, watch out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. When a real dog shits in your house, like, my dog Johnny Cash stepped in. Oh my God, of course I have my dog Johnny Cash had diarrhea once and he was 140 pounds and just rocketed all over the room. It was awful. But, you know, what's a dog gonna do? They have diarrhea. It's part of the thing of having a dog. You just gotta go all Right. I'm cleaning up. But the problem is, like, you gotta get in there. And usually, like, if you have, like, tile, you got to get a toothbrush.

[Brian Redban]

Grout.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you gotta clean the grout. Like, for real. You gotta get in there.

[Brian Redban]

Gross.

[Joe Rogan]

And you gotta do many cleans. You can't do one clean just like, we're done. No, you just smudge all over the tile. You gotta now, like, go back over it with a paper towel and some kind of spray. Yeah. And then your whole house smells like, you know, some lemon deodorant. But people that don't have dogs and they just come home to an empty house.

[Brian Redban]

I kind of feel sad, so I can't. I can't even. You know, it's like any pet, though. I think somebody. I think people need pets, even if it's virtual pet or regular pet. Like, I saw somebody. Have you seen the video of the guy who rescued the lobster from a grocery store and kept it as a pet?

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't. I didn't click on the link, but I saw the. I saw that it was a thing.

[Brian Redban]

So interesting. You would never think that. And just one video, he made me go, oh, my God, this is so adorable. Like, adorable. Yeah, he's like. He's like, cleaning his, like, food and plates and putting his plates in a corner.

[Joe Rogan]

And, like, did the thing, like, let him touch it or did it snap out?

[Brian Redban]

He's only had it for a short period of time, but just the weeks of, like, getting use of his claws back because of the rubber bands. Like, it took, like, weeks. And then he starts, like, washing his face at night like a cat. And you never think, like, this is something that was supposed to be eaten. Like. Like he's actually. If you just sit there and stare at it, it's like, no, that's a fucking creature that's living, but living, but living. It's a bug. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a thing called. Is this the guys. Oh, wow. See, there's, like, the mark did have the marks from the rubber bands. God, it his claws up.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And so what's he feeding it?

[Brian Redban]

He starts off with little, like, pellets, then it comes into worms. And then he starts going and getting, like, shrimp and, like, oysters and clams. And then, like, after he eats, like, an oyster or a clam, like, he's helping him get strength back in his claws by using, like, poking it and having, like, playing tug of war with.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, interesting.

[Brian Redban]

And so he finally gets strength back in his claws near the end of this video.

[Joe Rogan]

It seems like, he's with the lobster, if you ask me.

[Brian Redban]

Right. But he also used the same tool to give him food, like. Like the oyster and stuff. Now watch this. What's so interesting is how many feet. Like, he has, like. Like there's all these little hands, like, picking all the meat out. And once he's done, he takes it to the other side of the aquarium and drops off like he's done with his dish.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Brian Redban]

Like, see, there's him dropping it off. But, like, it's like all this stuff you never would have thought of. You know, you're with a lobster as a pet. It's just very interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Who the fuck has ever done this? Isn't that amazing that no one's ever had a lobster as a pet?

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, this guy's figured it out. That's pretty crazy.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. 9.4 million views. That's crazy. He just some random guy put out this video.

[Joe Rogan]

There was a group called the Lobster Liberation Organization, and they would go. It's not yellow. They would go and break into, like, supermarkets and seafood restaurants, and they take the lobsters and release them back in the ocean.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, really? Yeah, I heard that. Like, he talks about it in, like, this video, I think, or the next one. He talks about that. And you can't really do that. You would have to find, like. Like, a really certain part of the ocean. You couldn't just throw them in the ocean.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, stop being a party pooper. They're doing good work.

[Brian Redban]

Maybe they did that, though. Who knows?

[Joe Rogan]

I bet they didn't. I bet they dumb hippies. They just chucked them out there. We're doing amazing. We've liberated 150 lobsters. Meanwhile, they're just getting chewed on by turtles.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. Just saying. Knocked against the pier.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, as their claws are deteriorating, I bet their. The fatigue in their tails, but they can't swim for very long, Right? Right.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. Like, he's nurturing this lobster back in like, a couple weeks, month, whatever. And at first it was, like, so starved. Like, when was the last time it ate? Probably never. Like, they're not feeding them.

[Joe Rogan]

What do they do? They just wait till they get eaten?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, they're just starving.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. I never thought about that.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, they don't have their claws open. They can't. Like, what are they gonna do?

[Joe Rogan]

I never thought about that. Yeah, but I think they're eating with the other one ones.

[Brian Redban]

I mean, I don't think that if you're at Red Lobster and you see the fish tank, they're feeding those fucking.

[Joe Rogan]

Lobsters I think they just feel like they could stay alive for a few days, and by then they'll be.

[Brian Redban]

And how long has it been till that point? They're not spending money on food. That's going to be food.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good point. Yeah, that's. You know, I was talking about that, about the Bible. That and the people are upset about certain things in the Bible, but not other things. Like, they'll be upset. Like, a man should not lie it down with another man. Yeah, but why is it okay to eat seafood now? Like, you, you weren't allowed to eat shellfish. Not seafood, but shellfish.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Shellfish is in the Bible, so you're not supposed to eat it. But how come nobody cares? But they care about gay stuff. They get upset about gay people, like a lot of Bible bangers. You know, it really bothers them. But they don't get upset about Red Lobster. Red Lobster. If that's real. If what God said is true and you're not ever supposed to eat seafood, that's his law. When you get up there, he's gonna be pissed at you. Wouldn't you be upset at Red Lobster?

[Brian Redban]

That Mary Madeline broad.

[Joe Rogan]

Who's Mary or whatever.

[Brian Redban]

The hooker.

[Joe Rogan]

Who's that?

[Brian Redban]

Jesus's hooker.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Magdalene.

[Brian Redban]

Magdalene. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

No, that's different. That's Immaculate conception. What I'm saying is, like, why are some, like, the two cloth things. Do you know that, like, two different types of cloth. You weren't ever supposed to wear garments of two different types of cloth.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

That's so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a weird part of the Bible. They just gave you some weird rules. Just. Let's see if they follow this. Like, you could. It probably was a guy who only sold silk or some shit like that, and he was mad that other people were, like, mixing his silt with cotton. And he's like. It says here in the Bible, this is a grave sin. You can find the. The passage, you're not supposed to wear two different types of cloth.

[Brian Redban]

Does that include leather?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I don't think so. I don't think they thought. I don't think people do. They wear, like, animal. They wear animal skins. Relevant Bible verses, Deuteronomy 22:11 prohibit an individual from wearing wool and linen fabrics in one garment. The blending of different species of animals and the planting together of different kinds of seeds, collectively known as kellyim. Huh? Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

It's like. Like, no. Surf and turf, pretty much. It's like, don't mix wool with.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it says here. Why does The Bible speak. Why does the Bible speak against wearing clothes? Click on that. It says there's two passages in Mosaic law that forbid the wearing of different types of fabric. That is the wearing of blended fabrics. Those woven. Can you click on. Yeah. Blended fabrics. Interesting, but. And those woven from two different materials. Keep in my decrees. Do not make different types of different kinds of animals. Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. That's in the. Imagine. Imagine God. This is how God feels. Do not plant two kinds of seed in your vineyard. If you do, not only the crops you plant, but also the fruit of the vineyard will be defiled. Do not plow with an ox and a donkey yoked together. Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together. Like.

[Brian Redban]

Okay, don't put your apple orchards next to the banana field, because shit's gonna go down.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, God, how about you relax? I believe you really gave a. You would. You would have stopped smallpox, you piece of. Imagine God's over there worrying about your clothes. How about relax, dude? How about relax and stop the Inquisition? How about that? How about step in and go. That's not what I said.

[Brian Redban]

I mean, it's happening today, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Is it?

[Brian Redban]

It is.

[Joe Rogan]

What way?

[Brian Redban]

You know, trying to stop the plague and people tell you what and what not to do instead of focusing on war.

[Joe Rogan]

What, you need more marijuana? It sounds like you do.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You do.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You shouldn't be talking how you're talking here. This is better. This is one of the Snoop Dogg joints.

[Brian Redban]

Man. Snoop Dogg. That was an awesome interview, man.

[Joe Rogan]

It was an interesting one. There's a few people that I've met where I'm like, wow, I can't believe he's really here. That was definitely one of them. He's just one of the coolest guys of all time. And so friendly. Just such a nice guy, you know? Imagine being him.

[Brian Redban]

It's crazy about that concert the other day in Los Angeles where that guy Draco was shot.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it was stabbed.

[Brian Redban]

Stabbed? Yeah, stabbed in the neck. Snoop Dogg was there, though, with ice cube.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

50 cents and all.

[Joe Rogan]

Why did he gets that? Is there a reason why?

[Brian Redban]

I mean, there's theories. I heard there's, like, a beef between him and some other rapper. Young. Something. Young. Young. Now I'm sounding like an old man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That the rap world is interesting. Like, they got into violence in a way that the rock world didn't. Right. The rock world never had, like, East Coast, west coast, like, gang fights. Right. The. The Rap world, there was like shootings and retaliations and different rappers got shot. Like Tupac got shot two different times.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

One fatal. Biggie got killed. You know, like, that's a big deal.

[Brian Redban]

Has there ever been non rappers that had that. Musicians that had that beef, like, oh my God, does that play into the Beatles? They're gonna.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I'm saying. I don't think they did. I think that was brought on with the rap, gangster, rap culture. Because, like, if you go back to like Sugar Hill Gang, like that's not. There's nothing about that that's like violent or that would. You would think that they would get involved in something like that or even like later on, like kid and play or there's. There was a bunch of bands that just had. But then gangsta rap, whether it's Tupac or Biggie or like there's so many, like Ice Tea nwa There was so many of those guys that were like openly talking about brandishing guns.

[Brian Redban]

And I guess the only one I know of outside of rap would be Courtney and Kurt.

[Joe Rogan]

You son of a. Yeah. What do you think about that documentary? Did you ever watch that documentary?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, it made me think that she did it.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? What made you think she did it?

[Brian Redban]

I can't remember because it's been so long, but for sure, I mean, I've always. I've always thought like, what if. But that, if I remember correctly, that like, was very believable, at least. But any of those documentaries, you can see the opposite and still believe that.

[Joe Rogan]

I get super suspicious when they reenact these things with actors because that means they're trying to convince you of something. It's one thing if it's a documentary, but in that they had like the Sheriff show up. I don't understand what's happening here. Like, there was a guy who's a famous, fairly famous character actor who I'd seen a bunch of other roles. He played the Sheriff. Do you remember that?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The only thing that made me confused is the suicide note. There was this long note that doesn't seem like a suicide note. And at the end of it, in different handwriting, it becomes a suicide note. Do you see that?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you see if that's true.

[Brian Redban]

Have you had Kirk's daughter on this show?

[Joe Rogan]

No. She's very interesting though. I've seen her. She's like a good Twitter account to follow.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, I agree.

[Joe Rogan]

Seems very smart. But how would you not be? Courtney loves your mother and Kirk O Bane's your dad. Like, you're Small. You have to be smart by default.

[Brian Redban]

Courtney's mom was. Is a psychiatrist or a psychologist. Psychiatrist.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting.

[Brian Redban]

Which is interesting. I don't know, it's just. It's. I guess a lot. It's hard to believe when anybody kills themself, like, especially comedians. Like, there's somebody that died recently and. Door guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, so. So look at what you got here. You got one type of writing at the top, right? And then it's like very small, right? Handwriting. And that's Kurt Cobain's writing. And he writes this letter, and then it gets down to the bottom, and then the handwriting gets very different. Different. I'm not a handwriting expert, but.

[Brian Redban]

All right, can we. Can we be devil's advocate here, though? But if you are seeing this small handwriting and you are adding to a letter, wouldn't you say, like, you would try to match the other handwriting up a little? I mean, that. I mean, it looks like it's so ridiculous, you know, how. How different it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, maybe she was so dumb she didn't understand handwriting. I know, because it looks so different. Look at the mic. M's. Like, just look at the M's. Look at the M for without me. And then look at the other M's up there, and you're like, man, I don't know.

[Brian Redban]

Well, heroin also. I mean, he could have just.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right, right there. That's a big one, right? It could have been heroin. What's that, James?

[Jamie Vernon]

Two P's. Don't look like any other P I can see on the screen, but he.

[Joe Rogan]

Might have up with the spacing. I don't know. I'm trying. I'm not a handwriting expert, obviously, but I'm not liking it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I mean, what was the theory on that, though? Like, if it wasn't him or someone else. No, no, no. If he did do it, why would. What was the.

[Brian Redban]

Like.

[Jamie Vernon]

Was there an explanation on why it was like, was he fucked up when he wrote that?

[Joe Rogan]

I think if you are doing heroin, there's always an assumption that you're gonna kill yourself eventually, right? I. I don't know about something along those lines. Or you're gonna die from it. Or, like, if you have a friend and they're doing a lot of Oxys, you're probably like, you're gonna die, right? There's a. There's a feeling.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Heroin is the same kind of deal. It's like people overdose from it all the time. And then when. When a guy shoots himself in the head and he did a lot of heroin. You like, he was probably depressed, right?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, I want to believe that, but.

[Joe Rogan]

I think she whacked him.

[Brian Redban]

Well, I don't know. I don't. You know, I don't know. Like, just like. Like I was saying, with all the comedians that have died before, they're advertising shows like, hey, have a show Saturday, and then killing themselves on Friday. And it's just like. I think so many people that have problems with all that, like, they're. They just had a bad hour, you know, and they're just, like, out of nowhere, they're, fuck this.

[Joe Rogan]

Bam.

[Brian Redban]

You know, like, not right. Like.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I think you're right. I think there's a lot of people that are, like. They have, like, one impulse that they. You know, if they didn't do it, they'd probably be very happy in the future that they didn't do it. But then there's other people that plan it. There's people that have, like. Their brain chemistry is a mess for whatever reason. I don't know how much they 100% know about what causes a person to be depressed, what causes a person to be happy, what cause, you know, I'm not sure if they really. I think there's a lot of factors, right? But I think some of those factors are just genetics. And I've known people that come from, like, loving households that are depressed, and it's like their brother might be, like, out there kicking ass, and they want to jump in front of a train, and they don't know why, and it doesn't make any sense, you know, it's normal. It's a part. It's like some people have bad eyesight, right? Why would we assume that everyone's brain chemistry is the same, right? Some people, they're born with an allergy to something or a neurological disorder or this that you aren't born with and I'm not born with. And for whatever reason, I think for a long time, I always felt like everybody's brain was like, my brain. Just pull it together, bitch. Just fucking figure it out. Pull it together. And if you feel like shit, just press on. But I don't think that's smart. I don't think that's real. I think there's different. Brains have different capacities. They have different. They have different horsepower, right? Some people are born with a brain that's not getting the right amount of hormones or the right amount of neurochemicals or the right amount of dopamine or serotonin or whatever the fuck it is that's missing. Something's wrong. And just like a person with bad eyesight or a person who's born deaf or a person. The human body is like, so flawed. You can be born with so many issues, so many real problems. Some people are born with some shitty brain chemistry, and there's not a goddamn thing anybody could have done differently. And for those people, that's where the genius of pharmaceutical drugs kick in. Because the idea that pharmaceutical drugs have the exact same effect on every single person is kind of. It's a crazy thing to even think. The idea that nobody needs it, everybody just has to do this. And you just have to fucking drink wheatgrass and you have to do deadlifts. Not necessarily. Some people might be fucked. I think we know a few people like that, right? They're like, it's. You can't. You got to fix it. You got to get something in there, Right? Just like if somebody got a kidney problem, give them some medicine.

[Brian Redban]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Someone got a brain problem, give them some medicine. Give them some medicine.

[Brian Redban]

Mm.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not. It just. Everybody can't be cured with like a gluten free diet and jogging. Like, there's some. That's wrong. You might be able to enhance it. Some people, it fixes. I know some people that, like, were real depressed. They started exercising regularly, went away. You know, Another thing that's really good for it, apparently, is cold plunges. Have you done any of that yet?

[Brian Redban]

That. No, you know, it's. You know, it's a cold plunge. Just go to like a. Like go to a friend's pool and just jump in it. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

That sounds like a lot of fun. It's helping my. What is it? Puffiness, Swollen inflammation? Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You were waiting for me to say it so you could say that. So does ibuprofen.

[Brian Redban]

Which one's better?

[Joe Rogan]

Ibuprofen kills your liver.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. I mean, if you take a lot of. I.

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's not ibuprofen. It's Tylenol.

[Brian Redban]

Is it Tylenol? I think it's. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Man, I heard a saddest story about this lady who got Covid and she had horrible body aches. Weeks. And so she took Tylenol and then it wasn't helping her, so she took more and then she had acetaminophen poison. Because of the time, like, you can only take a certain amount of Tylenol. Like, Tylenol is an effective painkiller, but if you take a lot of it, you'll die.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And she had liver failure.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, yeah. I keep an emergency Aspirin in my wallet just in case I start having heart palpitations. I'll just pop a baby aspirin. Does that help? Yeah, for heart attacks.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, you got to do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you got it. You got it wired. You're all set. You're good to go.

[Brian Redban]

Got next to my airtag.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, when the gym opens up, are you going to become a part of the program?

[Brian Redban]

Probably.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it's healthy.

[Brian Redban]

I just got an elliptical, so I'm on my way of making my own little gym, too.

[Joe Rogan]

You have to keep an eye on David Lucas.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, I mean, honestly though, he. He works out a lot more than you would think, you know? You know, he does work out.

[Joe Rogan]

I saw him wrestle Tony Hinchcliffe.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Tony Hinchcliffe beat David Lucas.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Tony Hinchcliff weighs five pounds, but to be fair, David Lucas weighs 300 pounds.

[Brian Redban]

To be fair, we both thought Tony was crazy for.

[Joe Rogan]

We thought Tony was crazy, but we saw David Lucas gas out.

[Brian Redban]

But that's wrestling rules, not MMA rules. Now, if it was like street fight, then David Lucas would have just squished him him, you know, like. Like, not tactical, like. Well, his neck was.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think David Lucas has a very large gas tank. Let's just speak. Well, I mean, he. He fell upon hard times quite quickly, but.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, Tony's going to beat him and everything. David can't move.

[Brian Redban]

I know. It was very impressive wrestling. It was rules.

[Joe Rogan]

Tony was impressive. Yes, but David needs some help. He needs some love, and we need to, like, we need to get him into that gym. Yeah, because you're not gonna get any smaller on your own. Like, you need some help. You need to get. You need to get in shape because you'll. You can die if you gas out. If you're wrestling 110 pound man, whatever Tony weighs.

[Brian Redban]

Do you think, though, like, people like, 150, 126?

[Joe Rogan]

I think we think 20 ways. Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

About a buck 50 soaking wet.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, yeah, Right.

[Brian Redban]

Janice weighs more than him.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't think he weighs 150 with.

[Jamie Vernon]

His clothes on and shoes and boots and.

[Brian Redban]

I think he actually has 145 actually. I take it. I take it back. I. I think we weighed him the other day on a Kill Tony episode, and he's definitely on the biggest he's ever been. And I think he was like 163 or something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? Yeah, I think he's getting fat.

[Brian Redban]

Well, easy. Yeah. We're in Austin, Texas.

[Joe Rogan]

It's easy. It is easy. Yeah. The point is, 160 pound man is, unless he's some freak athlete, is not supposed to be able to beat a 300 pound man ever. That's terrible.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, but it was wrestling rules.

[Joe Rogan]

But it doesn't matter. You should be able to hold Tony down and smush him. It should be a smush. It should be. He grabs him, passes, gets to mount, gets to like side control, whatever the fuck he wants, just holds him there and then there's no activity until Tony admits that that guy on top is the better man. That's how it should be in a normal situation where a man is £300. Like a £300 pound, like a Tom Erickson in his prime or something like that. A giant 300 pound man. That's a totally different animal than David Lucas.

[Brian Redban]

Have you ever seen how many push ups David Lucas can do?

[Joe Rogan]

At least three.

[Brian Redban]

No, no, no.

[Joe Rogan]

20?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, I would say like 15, 20 push ups. I mean, you know how much weight that is?

[Joe Rogan]

A lot.

[Brian Redban]

Lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

He still works out and stuff like that.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sure he does.

[Brian Redban]

I think it's just what we saw was just wrestling roles, full effect.

[Joe Rogan]

Nonsense. Listen to me. I'm a professional martial arts commentator.

[Brian Redban]

Let's play the video right now.

[Joe Rogan]

It's one of my jobs. We don't want to do that.

[Brian Redban]

I know. I'm just kidding.

[Joe Rogan]

It's one of my jobs. I know when a guy's gassing out. He gassed out.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, he's definitely gassed out almost immediately. But it was also because he couldn't do street fight, UFC type stuff. He was trying to do maneuvers and rules and stuff like that. Don't you think?

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Brian Redban]

No, because at the beginning, no, he.

[Joe Rogan]

Would have got tired.

[Brian Redban]

David just like sat on it.

[Joe Rogan]

He would have got tired or quicker.

[Brian Redban]

I was like, oh, shit.

[Joe Rogan]

David would have got tired or quicker, you think? Yes.

[Brian Redban]

All right, let's. Let's get it. Let's have a look. Listen, let's do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Tony gets to teabag him if he wins.

[Brian Redban]

Yes. And I think David would sign up for that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They both teabag each other. They went on the eyeballs.

[Brian Redban]

Yep. Like sack on the eyeballs, vein to eye.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. That's. That's the win.

[Brian Redban]

That's unwashed.

[Joe Rogan]

Unwashed.

[Brian Redban]

Unwashed.

[Joe Rogan]

Sweaty. Right from the fucking fight. Right from the battle.

[Brian Redban]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Just sweaty nut sack right in the eyeballs.

[Brian Redban]

No sheaf?

[Joe Rogan]

No. No sheath underwears. Raw dog. Raw dog, yeah. Shave too.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Get all the skin. You don't have any cushion from the hair, the sack hair. I just. I just want them to get healthy, that's all. And I want you to get healthy, too. So right next door we'll have trainers. Make it happen.

[Brian Redban]

I got a good immune system. I haven't got the COVID yet.

[Joe Rogan]

Your immune system is stellar because I've seen a lot of you around. You get it.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I like, did you get the Moderna or the Pfizer? Which one did you get?

[Brian Redban]

Pfizer, of course.

[Joe Rogan]

And when did you get yourself?

[Brian Redban]

Second dose, 30 days after. And that second dose? Oh, like, I want to say October, September.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's probably good because you're in that window, right? It's like four or five months where it works its best and then it starts to drop off.

[Brian Redban]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Four or five months. So you're good. It's like November, December. Yeah. You're in that window of like, a.

[Brian Redban]

Couple months now for booster. I wonder if I should get the Pfizer booster or the month, like, just switch it up.

[Joe Rogan]

You should catch Omicron. That's what you should do. You've already been. There's literally articles saying that if you are vaccinated and then you catch COVID that it can impart a super immunity. There's, like, mainstream, right? You know, like fucking MSNBC news. See if you can find that.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, but I mean, when we. Me and you used to be bug chasers, but it was like, son of.

[Joe Rogan]

A bitch, you said you wouldn't tell. Remember? That was a thing.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, guys are trying to catch hiv. There was a whole article about bug chasers. And I remember reading this going, this can't be real. And they were interviewing this guy who was just, like, dead set on finding a man who's gonna, like, make him positive. I was like, yo, that is so wild.

[Brian Redban]

In the 80s, like, bug chasers had just put a bunch of buckets in their backyard with stale water in there and, like, just fucking dance around all the mosquitoes.

[Joe Rogan]

Breakthrough infections generate super immunity to COVID 19 studies suggest COVID 19 vaccination provides a foundation of protection that's enhanced by breakthrough infection. The key is to get vaccinated. So what they're saying is, essentially, if you get vaccinated and then you get Covid, it's not bad. It's actually good because then you have superimmunity.

[Brian Redban]

Sounds good to me.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The study found that antibodies measured in blood samples of breakthrough cases were both more abundant and more effective, as much as 1,000 times more effective than antibodies generated two weeks following the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. A thousand times 1000%. Rather more effective. 1000% is crazy. Studies suggest that each exposure following vaccination actually severe serves rather to strengthen immune system response in subsequent exposures, even to new variants of the virus. Yeah. So that's what's gonna happen to all of us. We're all gonna become immune. That naval guy, Naval Ravikant said he's brilliant. He said it best. He said the pandemic is not going to end when everyone gets vaccinated. It's going to end when everyone gets infected. Because, like, I've had it and I have.

[Brian Redban]

I think most people have. Right. What's the percentage right now?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. But here's an important point. And I just found this out today or yesterday. Coleon Noir. Like, doc, did I talk about this already? Peter McCullough, that you can get Covid twice.

[Jamie Vernon]

We've talked about how you did.

[Joe Rogan]

We didn't think that now for a fact. Coleon has tested positive.

[Brian Redban]

I know a few people. Twice.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Peter McCullough was saying that you couldn't get it twice. You 100% can get it twice.

[Brian Redban]

Absolutely.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm confident saying this. And he even said. I reached out to him about this and he said it seems like with the Omicron data coming back from South Africa suggests you can catch it twice. So it's very different than.

[Brian Redban]

But when you have the second time, I bet it's like very mild symptoms.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just like a cold, probably. Yeah. Coleon felt like, is that Duncan that.

[Brian Redban]

Still doesn't have his taste back. 100.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Brian Redban]

I think I read that somewhere. He told me that.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God, that's true. But we got to get him on.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's been around.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. I mean, just eating too many hot.

[Joe Rogan]

Dogs and pips, sucking Satan's dick made his mouth numb. He's moving here, Is he? Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

For good? Sure. He was talking about it last time. That's such a great.

[Joe Rogan]

We gotta get the club open.

[Brian Redban]

We're almost got our whole gang back together.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. We're getting close. And once the club's open, I feel like we'll send up the bat signal and we'll start like, letting people know that not only is it, like gonna be a great place for you, but it'll be very supportive and you can actually make some money there. And we'll have it set up so that the whole idea is just like, to strengthen the idea of like a comedy community and even people. I Don't agree with like everybody. Come, come one, come all, I don't care. The whole idea is like to keep comedy just generally getting enhanced by a creative group of people that are all doing the same thing at the same time. And I think this is the best place where we can do it and not be influenced by Hollywood.

[Brian Redban]

Absolutely.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

And it's so great doing the Kill Tony show and meeting all these different talents that never would have have talked to or met or seen before. And then, you know, I do that secret show once a week. It's just book like a comic comedy show and I just book it once a week and I throw in, I do a comedy store lineup style where I start like at 8 and goes to like midnight and just, you know, it's just non stop. And it's so amazing. Just like the comedy star, how many people stay through the whole entire thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's a cool thing, man, to have a place like this sort of emerge. Like if you've been in Austin for a long time and you loved Cap City, which was like the premier club in Austin and one of the, one of the premier clubs in the country. Like we used to love coming to Cap City. I mean it was like one of the best gigs. And then when that went under, it was like a deep sadness. And you know, I tried to buy that building.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But it was a lot of involved. There's a lot of shenanigans. And I was like, this is too much work.

[Brian Redban]

I was talking to Joey about that the other day about that old hotel we'd always stay at, right next to Papado's.

[Joe Rogan]

That place went under.

[Brian Redban]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh no, no, it's still there.

[Brian Redban]

I was getting popular the other day.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm thinking. I'm not thinking of that. I'm thinking of the place in Houston. Remember the place in Houston in the last BB's. The. The hotel, the great.

[Brian Redban]

The BB's.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah, that was great too. Yeah, that place.

[Brian Redban]

The cheese.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, the cheese. What was it called? The Flaming Cheese.

[Brian Redban]

Flaming Cheese, Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What's it called though?

[Brian Redban]

There's like a name I forget.

[Joe Rogan]

Saganaki, Something like that.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that's Greek. They throw some like alcohol on the cheese and light it on fire.

[Brian Redban]

I miss Greasy Tony, buddy. Dude, that's.

[Joe Rogan]

He made me real sad when he died.

[Brian Redban]

Fuck. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a place that we used to go to every time we'd go to the Improv in Tempe. There was a place right across the street called Greasy Tony's. And I Became friends with Greasy Tony in the 90s. Like, that place had been open forever. And we just kept coming back. Like, every time I would go and I'd in town and hang out with Tony and we'd go and Joey Diaz loved Greasy Tony. And we would go there. I still have a T shirt from Greasy Tony.

[Brian Redban]

The trash can.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. I still have a T shirt.

[Brian Redban]

Somewhere there's a box where there's a video in it where we film and interview Greasy Tony. We were all eating with Joey Diaz, Greasy Tony and you.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right. We filmed an interview with Greasy Tony. He was great. He was like this old school Italian guy that had this amazing sub shop and pizza place and it was right next to Tempe. But then I remember one time we went to him and he had just had a heart attack.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Into open heart surgery. And it wasn't so fun anymore. It's like, oh, no, no, Chrissy, Tony ain't gonna make it.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, he had like a big scar on his chest, I guess.

[Brian Redban]

Then he got that vegan place. He opened up the Turnip Tony. He turned.

[Joe Rogan]

What are you telling. If you're hanging out with Hinchcloth too much, it's Turnip Tony. Tony is the best at those. There's no one better at, like, the one liner.

[Brian Redban]

Shocking sometimes.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. When he does kill Tony, like when. When he hosts it and talks to people and has lines.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. He called that girl Alicia off key. She's so funny. He's just the best at those zingers, those like, roast type jokes.

[Brian Redban]

And. And I, you know, I sit next to him and you just watch how his brain works while he's talking. It's just like, you know, just notes and notes. And then like, when he'll ask a question like, so, what do you do for a living? And he's not paying attention. He's just like thinking in his head.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, okay, right, right, right. Yeah. He's calculating a joke. Yeah. You guys have been killing it. And then having it at Vulcan is the best place because Vulcan has that. That all those people around the edge and it makes it like Thunderdome Fight Club.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like Thunderdome.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, it's great. I mean, you know, in that. That style. Too bad there's not, like a fix for it, because it would be cool to have, like that top layer but then have, like, people behind it. But it's really only like a balcony for like a group, small group of people around the corner.

[Joe Rogan]

It's enough.

[Brian Redban]

It's like the Lovett's Club. Remember that? They had, like, the Third Story.

[Joe Rogan]

It's way better than the Lovett's Club or the. There was a, like. Wasn't it Tampa improv? That was like that too. There was a. There's one improv that I think it's Tampa.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's the. The Vulcan's the best setup because you can look up at those people. It's not a strain to look up at them and then you look down. It's like. It's a different. It's. It's. It's a wild sort of like 6th Street Bar Y kind of place. That's why we love doing it. And we've been doing it there. Like you do Thursdays, you'll be there tonight. I've been doing Tuesday. Every Tuesday and Wednesday when I'm in town. I work out there.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, it's great.

[Joe Rogan]

It's great. And people coming from all over the place to go to these shows. It's wild. It's a lot like what was going on at the store, 100% come in from. I mean, there's a lot of people that can't. Literally can't come from other countries. It's crazy. I've had people that were supposed to come here for shows and they're stuck.

[Brian Redban]

But you know what was different, though, about the Comedy Store to LA comedy scene, though, in comparison, though, you had to have a lineup. You had to have like a poster. You had to have some kind of show here. I did that weekly show. I don't even put a lineup up. And then fucking. There's a huge crowd that comes to it. People are so excited for comedy in the city, which is like LA kind of seemed like, well, we're only going if we know who's there. Because I also can go here and here.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. They're more just down to see some live entertainment here.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And there's also. There's the possibility that you might see someone who's gonna become a famous comic someday or is.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've dropped in those shows and a lot of people in town drop in those shows. But it's also. It's like there's up and coming talent that's on those shows that you're like, damn, that girl is funny. Or she's funny. That's where I saw Gina Hyena the first time. I've seen a lot of people. I saw Tony for the first time on one of your shows. Like some of those shows. Like you see people and they wind up being some of your favorite comedians ever, right? It's like the exciting thing about it right now is like people like when, if they come to Kill Tony or if they come to one of the death squad shows or any of these shows is that they get to see on the ground floor like a whole new movement in the comedy community. It's like Kill Tony is the most exciting live comedy show ever in terms of like four stand ups. It's like the best at promoting like the ethic of funny, of just, just funny. Just be funny. You don't have time for like fucking some bullshit woke message. If you're doing one minute of comedy, like you have to just be funny and everyone is just talking shit and they're just trying to say the funniest thing possible, whether it's Dom, a rarer or Shane Gillis, whoever the guest star is, and the fact that these people get a chance to go up, there's like one minute and that one minute, if they fucking hit, hundreds of thousands of people will see it. Hundreds of thousands of people will see them kill. That's wild. That's a wild opportunity and there's nothing like it at all of comedy. There's nothing like it. It, what's like it. Your show with Tony is like literally a one of a kind because it gives these open micrs like you can formulate a minute, if you just can put together a minute of funny then, then guys like you and Tony and me and whoever's sitting there are going to give advice like, you know, how long you been getting up? When did you start, like when did you know you wanted to be a comedian? Like good luck. That was funny shit. And then, and we've worked with those guys in the future. I mean how many people like Ally Makofsky? Well you, you saw her then and then next thing you know she's opening up and for me for a fucking arena, you know, like saw her do a minute on Kill Tony. It's wild.

[Brian Redban]

It's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's wild.

[Brian Redban]

Preacher Lawson, who is somebody that signed up for Kill Tony a few times.

[Joe Rogan]

And like he's like, well, America's Got Talent, right?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, yeah, he's huge. Amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

He's huge. Kill Tony. This, it's, it's also, it sets a great ethic for the comedy community where it's like everybody's supportive and friendly. It's a lot of fun people excited to do it again and you feel like you're like a part of. They're almost like alumni of this thing. That is, you're brave because you're doing your one minute in front of the whole world. You suck.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, right.

[Joe Rogan]

You're just starting out. Everybody who starts out sucks. But you might have a joke, you might have a line, you might have a certain presence, you might have something to get. I mean, you suck compared to like Kevin Hart or whatever.

[Brian Redban]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

But you, you can, you can still, you can get a laugh or two and you can go, oh, my God, I'm, I'm rolling. And the world, the whole world could have seen, like literally your first set.

[Brian Redban]

And on top of that, maybe your first podcast in your first interview. Because a lot of times it's not even about their one minute, it's about the next 15 minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, yes. A lot of times.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. Like you're just getting thrown on the podcast. Podcasts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. With guys who've been on a million of them.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So, like, when Tony starts questioning, you see his little predator brain.

[Brian Redban]

Imagine little Bambi. You're gonna get attacked.

[Joe Rogan]

With vampire fangs. Yeah. It's hilarious. It's, it's such an important show, but it's, it's such an important show for this community, for the community of comedy, because it's like, it's. I, I've been telling Tony and I, I say it all the time because I want him to know how important it is to me and what I think it is to comedy, period. It's a cornerstone. It's like there's a funness to that show and there's a funness and a momentum that can give comedians hope and actually get talented people to give them the motivation to pursue a career in stand up comedy where maybe they didn't have it before, maybe they wouldn't have before, maybe if there wasn't a thing where they would go on a stage and have a bunch of laughs in front of a Shane Gillis or a Mark Norman or you and Redban or and Tony all together and you're all laughing, you laugh at his stuff, you laugh at her stuff. And then you're talking to her or you're talking to him and you're like, how long you been doing this? And then they're like. And you're like, well, listen, that was really funny. Good luck. And you're like, holy shit. And the guy gets off stage is like, fuck, I'm gonna be a goddamn comedian. I'm gonna be a comedian. Like, that's, that's enough.

[Brian Redban]

Sometimes to comics, we just met somebody named Jared Nathan. I don't know if Tony has talked.

[Joe Rogan]

To you about the guy with down syndrome.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, yeah. And he's from Canada.

[Joe Rogan]

Murderer.

[Brian Redban]

He's fucking great. And. And. And just overnight we had him on three episodes. And the first time he was on, he did such so good. He was like, when are you leaving? He's like, I gotta go back tomorrow. And he goes, can we talk, do something and get you to stay for a couple weeks? We want to see more of you. And I was like, I want you on the secret show. And then so he. Jason Rouse called his mom, talked his mom into it. His mom's like, I guess I'll have to just buy another plane ticket. You owe me, though. You know, you owe me. And so we put up a GoFundMe in 24 hours. It's like $11,000 just because that episode dropped, man. Like 24 hours.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, where's the GoFundMe? Let's jack it up.

[Brian Redban]

Well, he's on Instagram. He's one spelled out o, n, e, underscore. Who stutters. Underscore.

[Joe Rogan]

One who stutters.

[Brian Redban]

One underscore.

[Joe Rogan]

Underscore, stutters.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, it's right there. And he's coming back out in February. Hopefully we're gonna have him back on more and more. But, you know, that's beautiful. It's beautiful. And what's great is that in, like, his locally, like, the, you know, the connection, the comedy scene up in Canada, they love him because they've known about him for a while. And this is making so many people happy, like Canadian comedians. And he's such a nice guy. He's like one of the nicest guys ever. Big shout out to Jason Rouse for, like, he stayed with Jason for, like, an extra two weeks.

[Joe Rogan]

That's awesome. That's awesome. But that's this. It's a cool place here, you know. And Tim Dillon said something really interesting. He was talking about. We were talking earlier about. He said that if someone moves to, like, New York, you're not gonna affect a real change in New York, but you can affect a real change in a place the size of Austin. Like, you really can.

[Brian Redban]

That's already happening.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I think it's already happening with these shows that we've been doing.

[Brian Redban]

I mean, and comedy in general.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

Every week on Kill Tony, we're like. We meet, like, maybe 10 people that have moved here from LA, from New York, from Wisconsin, from everywhere. People are moving here. Like, it's like a. Like a Woodstock, you know, that's about to. And it's blowing up now, musicians, on the other hand, are kind of pissed off about the whole thing. Why? Because we're taking up stage time. You know, like, the Vulcan used to be an EDM club. You know, a lot of these places used to be bars that had musicians. Austin used to always be about the music. And so now all these comedians and all the stage times getting eaten up. I mean, secret show. I try to always have a band open up or a band close or, like, I try to mix music in there, so. Because that's a real thing. Like, musicians are.

[Joe Rogan]

Get over it. There's plenty of clubs in town. Relax. Listen, I go to those clubs. I go to watch Gary Clark Jr. I go to watch. You know, I've been to a few different bands in town. When Suzanne Santos playing, I'm gonna be there. I'll see her. I'm not, you know, I'm not buying into that. Get the fuck out of here. It's not us versus them. Either people want to see you or they don't. All right? It has nothing to do with us taking up stage time. There's a lot of fucking stages in Austin. That's nonsense. It has to do with. We've got something going. We got something going on. Don't be a hater. You want to do an 11:30 show, it's available. Go on late. You can have those at the Vulcan. Like, someone could do a show after our show. Easy. Just do a later show. That is what we did. Like, that's all we did back in LA and a lot of those shows in the row. We did those later shows in the early days because that's the only time we can get up, up. You know, like, if. If you think that, like, comedians are somehow or another, like, damaging the development of new music.

[Brian Redban]

Like, I heard that from some musician.

[Joe Rogan]

Shut your hole. Shut your whole. Jealous. There's two different art forms. Two different art forms. And we support your art form.

[Brian Redban]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Someone's good. Like, it's nether hour. I love those dudes there are really talented. Those guys are talented.

[Brian Redban]

Jam band.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're fun. They. They're fun. They're fun band to go see live. We support live music. They're not. We're not in competition each other. Anybody that would suggest that anybody is in competition with anybody in the sense that, like, someone's taking away stage time from them is a fucking idiot. That's a dumb way to think. Like, no one's stopping you. Like, if one thing sells more tickets.

[Brian Redban]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Rogan]

Sorry. Find another spot. Don't be stupid. This is a dumb way to look at things. The idea that, like this enormous influx of world class stand up comics. Moving to Austin, Texas. Tom Segura moved here. Tim Dillon's here. Tony Hinchcliffe's here. That does. These are. These are bad things. Shut the fuck up. Sorry. I love music and I love bands, but anybody thinks like that needs to go shut the up. It's just silly.

[Brian Redban]

And in 10 years, Austin's gonna be 15 times bigger. So there's gonna be more.

[Joe Rogan]

It'll be bigger. Hopefully not too much bigger. That's why we got to keep weed illegal. Keep weed illegal and abortion scarce. Keep those lefties out of here.

[Brian Redban]

We need more allergies. If we get some more allergies here.

[Joe Rogan]

The allergies will keep a lot of folks out.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, they're real. Today's the biggest cedar amount that we've had all year. Like, it's out of control if you're allergic to cedar. I think it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I don't really have any allergies, fortunately, but some of my family members do, and it's a little annoying.

[Brian Redban]

I have dust allergies. That's about it.

[Joe Rogan]

The. The thing that happens, though, is you get allergy shots and they can cure you of some things, but God damn, they wreck you. My wife takes allergy shots. Like, your immune system just gets really. Oh, my God. It just gets bang. It's a thing that. It would be nice if there was a better way around it. It's weird that people are allergic to things. It's weird that, like, things that don't bother you at all and you see some people get around them and it freaks them out. It's like, what kind of a strange thing is a human body? Like a per. Well, like Brian Cowan's mom. Apparently if she eats a Brazil nut, if she licks it, she's dead.

[Brian Redban]

That's insane. Now is that, like Joey Diaz always used to have that thing. He's like, fuck that about. Like, if you feed kids like peanut butter and like peanuts at a young age and you dilute it into their. Like when they grow up with it, they wouldn't be allergic to peanuts.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a good question.

[Brian Redban]

You know, I think there's like some science to that, right? Like, I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a good question. That peanut thing is weird because I don't remember that when I was young. Yeah, maybe kids just died.

[Brian Redban]

That came out of nowhere. Yeah, there's a few things like that. Like, like charcuterie boards where did that come from? I don't know, cheese plates and now salami and cheese. Yeah, but, but, but you always call it like a meat plate or cheese plate, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

Like the other day I kept on, I was talking about, like, why out of nowhere, Shark, like the Matrix. Like something broke, right? And if you Google the search term charcuterie board, it just happened like two years ago. It's like zero. Like 10, 2010. 5 million.

[Joe Rogan]

What restaurant kicked that off? Because sometimes that can happen. Like one restaurant does Korean barbecue and everybody's like, like, oh, I cook my own food.

[Brian Redban]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Get excited. What is it?

[Brian Redban]

I don't know. I think it's the government, man.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever go to Ace Goji?

[Brian Redban]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a Korean barbecue in Woodland Hills and in.

[Brian Redban]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We went together a few times.

[Joe Rogan]

My buddy owns it.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, I love that place.

[Joe Rogan]

That place is the.

[Brian Redban]

Hey, speaking of Joe, if you want to invest in something, do one of those out here. Because we've. Me and Janice, because she's Korean, love K barbecue. We've tried every place that's like Yelp top 10 here. There's nothing in Goji should open up here 100%. Like there's not one that's good.

[Joe Rogan]

Really.

[Brian Redban]

And we've tried them all.

[Joe Rogan]

You hear that, Shane? Come on, bro, show me that again. What were you showing me, Jamie? Some charcuterie board bullshit. Influencers posting artsy photos of adult lunchables are blowing up amongst millennials with small living spaces and a passion for meat and cheese.

[Brian Redban]

Cheese place.

[Joe Rogan]

What. What is. What kind of bullshit article is this? Get this out of my face.

[Brian Redban]

Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

How dare you, Jamie. How dare you support these people? Support these people? Absolute nonsense. He's had two podcasts today. He works with a crazy person. I can go all day. I have zero problem.

[Brian Redban]

You need some on it, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, bro. Need to get on it.

[Brian Redban]

Food. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The key is like no food. Just do it with no food and then eat afterwards.

[Brian Redban]

Right? I. My new thing is getting cereal, like, and getting freeze dried tomatoes and strawberries at heb and throwing them in any cereal and immediately because like, you know your favorite cereal is or not what your favorites, but having like marshmallows in your cereal or something. Oh, right, yeah. This is like real fruit. That's freestyle actually.

[Joe Rogan]

Good for it.

[Brian Redban]

And it's good for it. Makes any cereal amazing. So if you eat grape nuts or whatever, because your diet. Throw that in there, dude, it's so good.

[Joe Rogan]

Grape Nuts, remember those? Like there was, there was like a dude who looked Like a lumberjack. Who's eating them? Grape Nuts. Like, what a thing.

[Brian Redban]

Bullshit ass is that. Do they still sell Grape Nuts? Of course.

[Joe Rogan]

They probably sells out every day. It's probably a guy waiting in line right now for break. Grape Nuts. Listening to us going, the Grape Nuts are the.

[Brian Redban]

Who owns Grape Nuts? The Colgate company.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, listen, clean your teeth. Grape Nuts are not bad if you add, like, a little brown sugar on it.

[Brian Redban]

But they're so hard, it seems like they would just crack your people's teeth and molars.

[Joe Rogan]

And that doesn't bother me. I. Like, I'm talking shit. But I actually would choose Grape Nuts over most cereals, I think.

[Brian Redban]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Redban]

I don't mind sugar.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, if I'm eating Captain Crunch, I know I'm not really eating food. I'm having a dessert, Right? It's how I feel. I would eat it. But I have a dessert. But if I needed some fuel, some. Actually some food, and there was a Captain Crunch box next to a Grape Nuts box. I definitely eat the Grape Nuts.

[Brian Redban]

I always go for, like, the fiber ones or something like that. Grape Nuts is just a little bit like, I'm eating Pebbles, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

My favorite was those ones that were like a biscuit, and one side was, like, glazed with, like, powdered sugar, and the other side, tricks. Was that Triscuit? Is that it? No, those are crackers. Shredded mini wings.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, Shredded Wheat. Shredded the mini ones, but the mini.

[Joe Rogan]

Ones were the little ones. But Shredded Wheat was like these big fucking bricks. Like, you build a house with these things.

[Brian Redban]

I love those.

[Joe Rogan]

Keep the little pigs in.

[Brian Redban]

Those are good.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God, they were so delicious. Because it had the sugar in it. Because it's so good. Because you got the Shredded Wheat, but you've got all that sugar.

[Brian Redban]

Are they still. Do they still make.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, look at how big they were.

[Jamie Vernon]

Took a full bowl.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. And then if you get it too much, you got to make sure you get it, like, with the sugar on it. Do they all have the sugar?

[Jamie Vernon]

No, no, no, no, no. So this is the OG Shredded Wheat.

[Joe Rogan]

No sugar.

[Jamie Vernon]

Frosted us.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right. Why? Around. Go with Frost.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, Frost.

[Joe Rogan]

You want frosted Shredded Wheat? Yes, that's it.

[Jamie Vernon]

If you eat these after you've had Chipotle in the same day.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, explosion, bro. Explosive shit.

[Jamie Vernon]

You're gonna have a lot of problems.

[Joe Rogan]

Explosive shits.

[Brian Redban]

Let's try it out.

[Joe Rogan]

I was at Golden Tiger last night. We had a Golden Tiger. Yeah. We did a late night run with Gordon Ryan and his girlfriend Tony and a bunch of other people. And there was a dude next. I went to take a leak and there was a dude next to me that had cannonball shits. Do you know when people are. And you see it just. He was. In a way, like. I was like, this guy barely made it to the toilet. Barely. Like an echo of the ball. Just boom.

[Brian Redban]

Those are great ones.

[Joe Rogan]

You know those sounds like boom. Like. Like your just echoes in the toilet.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's a video of a girl who snuck into a men's bathroom and was playing those sounds. And the guy's like, hey, man, you're right in there.

[Joe Rogan]

Like.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, almost like, right. I Lost the Power movie.

[Brian Redban]

I love that shit.

[Joe Rogan]

What's the best one in all time? The best diarrhea scene in a movie ever?

[Brian Redban]

Definitely Kingpin. Yeah. Yeah. Was it Kingpin? Yeah, Kingpin.

[Joe Rogan]

Dumb and Dumber. Dumb and Dumb.

[Brian Redban]

Kingpin was the America.

[Joe Rogan]

You're right. Dumb and Dumber. No, it's Dumb and Dumber for sure. Dumb and Dumber is that. That's the diarrhea episode. I'm thinking of Kingpin, where he had. Have sex with his. His landlord to pay the bills and he threw up. He threw up in the toilet. Like, violent, explosive vomiting.

[Brian Redban]

Team America, though, when he pukes. That's pretty.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God, that's amazing. Team America is fantastic. But I feel like Team America is so good. People forgot how good the south park movie was.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. Have you seen the recent South Park.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's it. Kingpin, Landlord. That was a great movie.

[Brian Redban]

Have you seen the recent South Park Post Post Pandemics special?

[Joe Rogan]

No. I gotta catch up on South Park.

[Brian Redban]

They're all old.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Brian Redban]

They're. This is like.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's right. I heard. Jamie was telling me.

[Brian Redban]

So good. It's on YouTube.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it really good? No. Does Comedy Central put it on their Comedy Central channel? On YouTube? Is that what it is?

[Brian Redban]

No. South Park Studios puts it on and then they have a deal now with Paramount plus where you have to get a subscription to Paramount's app. Like, we need another app for Paramount.

[Joe Rogan]

No, that's the only way you can.

[Brian Redban]

See south park right now. It's either Paramount app or South Park Studios YouTube page.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, why wouldn't I just go to YouTube?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, exactly. I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't advertise it, though.

[Brian Redban]

They don't advertise it.

[Joe Rogan]

So you can just go to Paramount or you can just go to YouTube, right?

[Brian Redban]

It's not on Hulu. Not on. I tried to buy it on itunes. I couldn't do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Brian Redban]

So Then I, like an idiot, did a free trial of the Paramount plus app, watched it and then found out the next day. I'm like, oh, it's on YouTube under just hidden.

[Joe Rogan]

That show has the most insane shelf life. I found out about South park in 1996. 95, 96. Somewhere like that, this girl I was dating brought over a VHS tape. And I was like, what is this? And she was like, oh my God, it's. What would Brian Boitano do? It's like these kids.

[Brian Redban]

It's like a Christmas card, wasn't it?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, yes. It was like a Christmas special. And it was amazing. And it was so funny and it was so primitive and it was like the animation was all shaky, but it was so funny. And then all of a sudden, maybe like six months later or whatever it was, the show came out. Go kick the baby. I'm like, this show is wild. And it was. It was just. It's so good and it lasted so long. They signed a 900 million dollar deal to make seasons and movies. Give them all the money. They deserve it. They deserve it.

[Brian Redban]

Million. That's like one month of taxes that Elon Musk pays every year.

[Joe Rogan]

They should run for president. They're the best. All right, let's get out of here. My man.

[Brian Redban]

Thanks, buddy.

[Joe Rogan]

My brother.

[Brian Redban]

12 years.

[Joe Rogan]

12 years. We did it. What are the odds? It's crazy. Kill Tony. If you want tickets to it and you're in the Austin area, it's on every Monday night at 8. But don't fuck around. When the tickets go on sale, they sell out almost immediately. How do they get the tickets? Is it Vulcan comedy dot com? Like who's putting up?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, I mean, pretty much. We don't have to advertise because like me and Tony tried to get a vacation the other day and we've put up like four months of tickets and it sold out like immediately. So. Yeah, so I think it's at Vulcan.

[Joe Rogan]

Vulcan Gas company?

[Brian Redban]

Yeah. Vulcan Company.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Just look up Vulcan Gas Gas company. Find the website. What is it? Do you know what, Jamie?

[Brian Redban]

I think it's Vulcan atx.com maybe or Vulcan atx.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that's it. I think it's Vulcan atx on Twitter. And it's basically the place where we all practice out of and we all around and you guys do website too. What's that?

[Jamie Vernon]

Same as the website.

[Joe Rogan]

Vulcan atx.

[Brian Redban]

Yep.com.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's just awesome place too. The people there are the. Shout out to Nick. Shout out to everybody working there. They're all Cool. But really, if you want to come see live comedy and you want to see people that are literally like just starting out for the first time versus people that some people have been doing it a few years and they get an opportunity to do it in front of an audience. In Austin, Sold out audience at the Vulcan. You gotta. You gotta act on the ball because you guys sell them out in advance.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah, it sounds pretty fast.

[Joe Rogan]

So when do they go on sale for the next ones that will be available?

[Brian Redban]

I really don't know. Like, it literally is like. Like they'll just put them on sale on a Monday at noon. Usually Monday is at noon maybe, but I. Every time they go on sale, it's.

[Joe Rogan]

Just you guys post when new ones are going to go on sale. On social media.

[Brian Redban]

On social media.

[Joe Rogan]

So they should go to redband.

[Brian Redban]

Red band. Tony Hinchcliffe, Vulcan.

[Joe Rogan]

Vulcan.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Just check it there.

[Brian Redban]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. All right. My brother, what are all these years? Time flies by. Yep. 12 years. How's that possible?

[Brian Redban]

I don't know. Snowflakes.

[Joe Rogan]

Happy anniversary, my brother.

[Brian Redban]

Happy anniversary.

[Joe Rogan]

I love you, buddy.

[Brian Redban]

Love you, buddy.

[Joe Rogan]

Goodbye, everybody.