James Fox (59:28)
Okay, so there was a guy, Nick Pope, who investigated part of the UFO desk at the Ministry of Defense of England in the late 90s, mid to late 90s, maybe in as late as early 2000s. But in any case, and I was in vet, I was interviewing him for a number of my films. I did a film called out of the Blue. I know what I saw before I did the phenomenon. And I, I asked him like, hey man, you were part of the UFO desk at the mod. What was the best case you ever saw? And he goes, oh man, 1990. He didn't give me this the town, it was Calvin. But he said, Scotland. There were two poachers, they called them hikers, but they were actually poaching. And that's what made me think about this when we talk about animals earlier. And he said it was late in the afternoon, they were in a place I now know, it's called Calvine. And they came upon in this relatively remote area, I know because I hiked out to the exact spot and it's in the movie, but. And they came upon this diamond shaped or disc shaped object that was quite large that was hovering silently really close, I mean, close. And they were scared to death. And they were kind of hiding out underneath this tree and they're looking at this thing. What the are we looking at? And they're just looking at this thing as it's silently hovering. Remember, this is 1990, okay? And one of them had a camera. And just as he was considering taking his camera out, a military jet came in. Turns out it was one of those Harrier jet, they think it was a Harrier jet. And it came out into the scene and it flew all the way around the disc. And as it did so, the guy mustered up the courage, came out from under the tree, and he snapped five or six photographs of this object suspended in the air. And it went. So the disc is here and the plane is flying around as click, click, click, click, click, click, click. And the reason why I know this is because the individual who kept one of the prints. Thank you very much, Craig Lindsay, RAF press officer. And thank you, David Clark, for uncovering this because it's the most amazing picture ever. And the two hotel workers in just outside the town of Calvine, Scotland, came back and they were like telling their co workers, oh my God, we encountered this thing. We don't know what was. So they go to the local newspaper and they were like, hey man, we just filmed something in the sky. We got six prints of it. It was 35 millimeter film footage, right? And they're going to go public with their story. Two witnesses, broad daylight, a ufo, points of reference with a military jet flying around. Five or six prints. That's pretty solid evidence, right? So the local newspaper was like, they're about to go public with it. Print, print the story. And they were like, well, we need a statement from the raf. So they contact the press officer, Craig Lindsay, and they were like, hey, what do you make of this UFO these guys took? And the guy Craig Lindsay goes, I don't know what you're talking about. I, I haven't seen the picture. You haven't seen it? Well, let me send you a print. This is the new. The newspaper sends him a print, Big, big print like this, the one you see today. And he's like, holy shit, the hell is this? He's RAF press officer Craig Lindsay. And he's. So he, he starts getting in touch with the mod and he goes out and he investigate this, Go talk to the witness, talk to the witnesses. And they were telling him. And he goes, well, they told him what happened. And he goes, well, what kind of noise did it make? And they said it didn't make any noise. No. He goes, no noise, that's impossible. You know, an object that can hover like that in the sky for that period of time, we're talking 34 years ago, didn't make any noise. And the witness said no. So he was like, holy sh, this is crazy. So he takes a color xeroxing machine and he sends it to the MOD in London and he says, hey, there's a case that you might want to check, you know, you might want to look into. And here's a Xerox, which is really crappy. It's just a, it's just a scanned Xerox, like a fax machine. Over to mod, he said he went from the office where the Xerox machine was, and before he can get back to his office, his phone's ringing off the hook. MOD and the MOD basically stepped in, took over the investigation. They said, you can step down to Craig Lindsay. He steps down, he keeps the print, right? He steps down, they take over, witnesses gone, five or six prints gone, story killed, right? So 30. And we rumored about it because Nick Pope had talked about this case in a book he wrote called Open Skies, Closed Minds. And then I talked to him about it in late 90s. Then I talked to him about it again in the early 2000s and I was like, Nick, especially in 2007, I was like, Tell me about this photograph. And he's like, oh, it was incredible. We had a big poster of it on the wall, the mod. And I was like, well, where is it? He goes, well, I don't know, I stepped down, I'm no longer at the UFO desk. And I said, well, they didn't just throw that away. Why don't you get in touch with the people that were there and find out? He's like, oh, you know, James, I can't just make those inquiries. We killed the story. It was like, you know, so I was incredibly frustrated. So discreetly, for over a 20 year period, I was making inquiries because I don't like letting things go right. It was like, this picture exists and bloody hell, let's get this one out there. But the story went dark. So David Clark found Craig Lindsay. And the way he found Craig Lindsay, the guy that kept one of the prints, is that he got a declassified government document out of the MOD's office that had redactions on it. And one of the things it said was it was 1990 and they said, RAF Press Officer in Scotland blacked out, you know, said that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, huh? Who was the RAF press officer in 1990 in Scotland? Craig Lindsay. Boom. Contacts Craig Lindsay. They started communication going. And then after, like, so much for redaction. Yeah, so much for reactions, right? And so this whole dialogue starts going, there's, you know, developing a. And. And then he goes, well, gosh, I might, I guess I might have one. It turns out he ended up keeping one of those prints, which he had. And that story broke probably two years ago. David Clark, again, I can't thank you enough. You deserve accolades for this. And so I flew to England, I met with David Clark and his crew, the people that did the analysis work. Then I went up to Scotland, I met with Craig Lindsay. The RF press officer gave me the first and only on camera interview about it. What astonished him about it, the analysis work they did on it, what the witnesses said. But we didn't have the witnesses, the people that took the photograph, we didn't have them. But I was going to report on this anyway just because, wow, this is the picture that we've all been waiting for. This picture is phenomenal. But if you don't have providence and you don't have the background story on it, it could be AI. It could be right. It could be a hoax. Some people call it a reflection. Not a reflection, not a hoax. So I'm ending production of the program, and I get a text from David Clark, and he goes, something big's about to happen. And I said, what? He goes, just sit tight. I can't go public right now, but something big's gonna happen. There's a new development, and this is just.
