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Joe Rogan
Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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Jamie Vernon
The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Joe Rogan
Train my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Dan
Hello.
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Joe Rogan
What's happening?
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Dan
Dan, how much?
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Joe Rogan
Good to see you again, man.
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Dan
Good to see you too, Joe. Thanks for the invite.
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Joe Rogan
Oh, my pleasure. Thanks for coming on here, man. I really enjoy your videos. Yeah, your. Your website, your channel, rather on YouTube. De dunking is. It's really great because it's so obvious. Like, it's one of those things where you don't need like some big crazy set or high production values to make something interesting. It's just you with a bookshelf behind you talking about stuff, and it's great.
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Dan
Well, thanks. I appreciate that, Joe. Yeah, I'm very passionate about this stuff. So it's. I'm glad that people are taking notice and that I'm sitting here talking to you right now about it. It's crazy to me.
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Joe Rogan
Well, you were one of the. You, like me, were one of the early readers of Fingerprints of the Gods. And that's sort of how you got into this whole subject, right?
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Dan
Yes, I actually had that one pre ordered from Hastings because I'd read the sign and the seal and so I was already like, Graham Hancock's pretty cool. I like the way he's coming at these things. And I saw that there was a thing at Hastings to pre order Fingerprints of the gods for like 25 bucks or something. You get like $3 off. And so I did and was reading it cover to cover when I had Graham sign it. And him and Santa both were just looking at how beat the hell it is. Right. Because he'd been in a construction truck. We're going job sites for like 20 years.
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Joe Rogan
That's awesome. So the sign of the seal, was that about Ethiopia and the Ark of the Covenant? Yeah. What's your take on all that?
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Dan
It's interesting. Anytime they won't let you see the evidence I get, like, all of my alarm bells go off.
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Joe Rogan
Right.
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Dan
But I understand why they wouldn't want you to see it if it really is the Ark I'd like to see. I guess the best thing we could do to test it without seeing the ark would be to look into the claims that these guys go blind and they show signs of radiation. Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Let's explain to everybody what the claim. They believe that this one church in Ethiopia actually possesses the Ark of the Covenant and that these priests that are supposedly guarding this, they all exhibit signs of radiation poisoning.
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Dan
Yes, they all just exhibit signs of radiation poisoning. They go blind, they die quickly, and then somebody Else. And one priest at a time is allowed to be like the caretaker of the ark.
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Joe Rogan
And how long do they live?
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Dan
They want to say like a couple years, something like that. I can't remember. It's been not very long. Yeah. They die pretty quick.
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Joe Rogan
Imagine that. Job.
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Dan
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
You get that call?
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Dan
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Like, how much do I love Jesus? Radiation poisoning. Good Lord. This is kind of fucking crazy.
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Dan
Yeah. And it's. But there's a lot of evidence in that book that was really interesting. Like the Knights Templar statues and stuff and in old, old Paris cathedrals that would lead Graham to. To Ethiopia. Just all kinds of weird stuff that made it really interesting. Little Indiana Jones, man. It's like real life kind of Indiana Jones shit. And so I was just anxious for that. Fingerprints and.
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Joe Rogan
Well, something that has that. That much radiation that kills people so quickly, would. Wouldn't that be something that you could measure from outside of the church?
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Dan
You would think that. You'd think that our boys would be all over that with the satellites and be like, yeah, that's a spot to watch out.
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Joe Rogan
Right.
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Dan
Send a team.
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Joe Rogan
Right, Right. Because that was one of the speculations about the new New Jersey drones, which was really weird, was that there was allegedly. This is a part of speculation. Allegedly there was a warhead that was missing from when? What was it from Ukraine? I think it was from, like quite a while ago. So there was a warhead that was not accounted for. A nuclear warhead. And the thought was that somehow or another it had gotten snuck into the United States. And these drones had the capability to scan for gamma radiation and that they were looking for excess gamma radiation, which would indicate that this thing was there.
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Dan
That would make sense. I saw that on Twitter. I saw a few guys talking about it. That would definitely make sense. It's weird that the drones just kind of stopped around Christmas time.
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Joe Rogan
But not only did they stop, but there was also this. I don't even. I hesitate to even talk about this because it's so much of this is horseshit. But there was a lot of speculation on Twitter that there was something that broke up in the atmosphere. And the conspiracy was that this was a Chinese satellite that was controlling those drones. And then the Trump administration recently said, no, there are drones. I mean, okay, why wouldn't you fucking tell us if there were our drones? You're just flying a bunch of SUV sized drones over New Jersey for weeks at a time.
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Dan
There had to be some reason.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. What was going on and how. You know, I get. You know, I get. You can't tell Us.
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Dan
Everything I get was weird. They. They just stopped at the Christmas time. I was kind of worried about that because I went to see Mark Gagnon in. In Brooklyn. I just was there last week and I was like, man, I hope I don't see a bunch of dang drones in the sky and stuff still, but. Because I've had that booked out for a couple of months.
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Joe Rogan
But yeah, my friend Mark saw one. Mark Norman, he saw one. He said it was huge.
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Dan
Really?
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Joe Rogan
He said it was really big and it moved really fast. And he said it had propellers, but it didn't sound like a regular, like, helicopter. So it was real weird.
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Dan
I saw a lot of videos of them and I saw a few guys talking about them that seemed somewhat credible on Twitter, but I didn't see that. Like, guys that had talked about being weapons developers and stuff like that. But it's so easy nowadays to just your way through things and there's money in it, right? I mean, you get clicks. So it's like there's. The days of it needing to be a government conspiracy in my mind are like, way long gone. There's. If I pretend I see Bigfoot and I fake it good enough to get a bunch of. To get on Joe Rogan, well, man, I'm doing pretty fucking good now.
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Joe Rogan
And I. Yeah, you can make some money.
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Dan
Exactly.
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Joe Rogan
So that is a real problem.
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Dan
I'm really skeptical of, like, everybody now. It's like, treat them all like crackheads.
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Joe Rogan
I am too. And I like that about your channel, that you are quite skeptical about a lot of things, even things that the people that are, you know, heretics of the archaeological world, they subscribe to. And you're like, not so fast. Which I think is great.
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Dan
Thanks.
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Joe Rogan
I think it's very important. But getting back to the Ethiopia thing, if the we have this capability supposedly to scan for gamma radiation from the sky, why wouldn't someone fly over that church and go, yo, there's a crazy hotspot here.
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Dan
You would think probably somebody has, if not, like I was saying with the satellites, in all honesty, the feds monitor that kind of shit, like, heavily. So, I mean, if it's possible that it wouldn't be any kind of weapons. Grady stuff, so they might just not be looking for that. Particularly.
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Joe Rogan
Can they monitor for gamma radiation from satellites? Can they do that?
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Dan
Oh, sure. I know that they can look for. I know they can look for. I'm not sure how they detect. I'm not sure what they use to detect it, but that they can look for radioactive material from space so the.
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Joe Rogan
Thought is that if this Ark of the Covenant is there and whatever it is, is somehow radioactive, is there any sort of theory as to how they develop some sort of radioactive thing? Like, what is it supposed to be? I mean, it's not a reactor, it's in a box, right? Like, what is it? Well, this episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. People like to throw around all these red flags. You know, things someone says or does that you don't like, which is fine. But instead of focusing on the negative all the time, why don't we focus on the positive? If you're looking for a romantic partner, think about what traits you like to see in a person. If you like to work out and stay in shape, you might want to find someone who's also health conscious. Or if you like to travel, you probably want to find someone who's just as adventurous. Now, once you're in a relationship, it's a whole different ball game. And things aren't always going to be perfect, but that's what therapy is for. Therapy is an excellent way to work through any problems, even the small ones. Like, say, you and a loved one have been fighting a lot lately, but you still really want to make things work. Therapy can serve as a mediary. It can help you identify the problem and teach you positive ways to address it. If you're new to therapy or want to try something different, BetterHelp is a great place to start. It's convenient and affordable. Since everything is done online, it's already helped over 5 million people worldwide. Connect with a credentialed therapist. Discover your relationship green flags with better help. Visit betterhelp.com jre to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelp. H E-L-P.com jre the theory that a.
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Dan
Lot of people have is that it's a weapon that, like in the Bible, it's described like shooting lightning and things like that.
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Joe Rogan
Right?
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Dan
And what Graham mentions in the book, it's an interesting point, is the Bible records Moses going up to Mount Sinai, coming down with the Ten Commandments, getting mad at the Israelites, worshiping a golden calf. And he breaks the Ten Commandments and then goes back up the mountain and comes back down after another week or so with the Ten Commandments again. And Graham points out that this could be a memory of him going up and getting the wrong stone, and then, dammit, smashes it, goes back and finds the right stone that he's looking for, that it had the proper, you know, uranium rich or Whatever speculative radiation stuff. So. But inside of the box, a popular theory is, you know, you got metal, wood, metal, like a transformer. And so the popular theory is it's a way to generate electricity. And it would also describe like the way that guys in the Bible are. If they, if they touch it, they have to carry it with sticks and if they touch it, even to steady it, they get killed and stuff. But honestly, I don't see it being a transformer. That wood metal or metal wood, metal thing has to be stacked. You're not just getting it with one layer like the Bible describes. But it's an interesting thing.
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Joe Rogan
When you say it has to be stacked, you mean spaced in between each layer?
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Dan
Yeah. Like if you've ever seen a doorbell transformer.
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Joe Rogan
No.
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Dan
Okay. Transformers at the bottom of it will have multiple plates and it'll be like a plate of metal and then a plate of silicone or something like that to. That's conductive, non conductive, conductive, non conductive. And there'll be multiples of those. And this is part of the electromagnetic changing of the. Because what a transformer does is it steps electricity up or down and swaps voltage for amperage, basically. So the metal plates are part of it. So the idea is that this thing would collect electricity inside the box and then the Israelites would use it to throw lightning at the enemies. Now there's still a lot of speculation as to how the box would work, but Moses was also said to. After going up and seeing God, he was said to have had to cover his face with the cloth for the rest of his life because it was shown. And Graham speculated in that book that it might be because of radiation sickness or something. His face was covered in sores for the rest of his life. So it is interesting.
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Joe Rogan
So if this thing is radioactive, how would that conduct electricity?
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Dan
No idea. It would probably be if it was. Maybe it's the power source. Like we have radioactive batteries on satellites and shit. Right. And they convert that radiation into electricity. So it's possible. I mean, that's, I'm, you know, I'm not really too like big on the ancient high technology, but I'm always willing to speculate and look at the angles on it. And that's, that's basically where they come from. On the guys that are really big into the ark, some guys even will, will claim that it's a capacitor, like full on capacitor, which a capacitor stores and discharges electricity. It's why we were told not to when you don't touch the tube on your TV when we were kids because it'll zap you. The capacitor.
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Joe Rogan
We're old. We remember tubes on TVs.
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Dan
I watched a friend of mine working on an arcade machine once and one of the leads popped off of the thing and he was bald and it tapped him on top and laid his ass right out. Bam. Straight to the ground. Oh, shit. You okay?
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Joe Rogan
Wow.
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Dan
But anyway, yeah, that's what a capacitor is. So some guys believe, like Billy Carson would. Would say, that the Ark of the Covenant would fit inside of the sarcophagus of the king's chamber, which it doesn't. And that it's a capacitor to power the pyramid. So.
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Joe Rogan
So it doesn't. How do you know that? It doesn't.
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Dan
But the Bible has the specifications for the size of the Ark of the Covenant and they're not the same as.
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Joe Rogan
How different are they?
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Dan
Considerably.
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Joe Rogan
Is it larger or smaller?
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Dan
The Ark is larger.
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Joe Rogan
Oh, it's larger. Oh, really?
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Dan
Than the inside of the sarcophagus?
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Joe Rogan
Have you ever seen the one that Donald Trump has at Mar A Lago?
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Dan
No.
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Joe Rogan
He has a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar A Lago.
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Dan
No shit.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't look bigger than the. The reason why I said is it doesn't look bigger than the sarcophagus. Maybe I need to look at it.
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Dan
There's a possibility that I'm wrong there, but I know, I know that the measurements are off by enough that it was. This isn't just a little mix and match. This was. It's way off.
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Joe Rogan
I feel like we should have a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant here.
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Dan
You probably should.
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Joe Rogan
I probably should.
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Dan
There's no reason.
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Joe Rogan
Jamie, can you pull up that one? It was it. Visiting the Mar A Lago I think I was trying to find, but it's pretty dope, man. It's like Indiana Jones type dope.
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Dan
Nice.
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Joe Rogan
It's really cool. It looks awesome. But if that's real and these guys are just guarding it and dying of radiation poison, like, hey, get some fucking better leadership and let the world know. I mean, if you really want people to believe in God in the Bible, what better way than to say not only is the Ark of the Covenant real, but we have it here at this church in Ethiopia and we've been suffering for the past x hundred years. I mean, how many priests have died?
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Dan
I don't know. I have no idea. It would be a lot.
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Joe Rogan
That would be a good thing to know.
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Dan
Well, this would be. I mean, this was supposed. The ark was supposed to have been brought there by the Queen of Sheba's son, Menelik. So you're talking thousands of years, right?
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Joe Rogan
So Ethiopia has a lot of. Here it goes. That's it.
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Dan
Oh, damn place.
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Joe Rogan
That's the one. That was a trump.
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Unknown
Definitely a replica.
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Joe Rogan
Oh, that's not the one.
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Unknown
No, no, it is.
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Joe Rogan
It is the one.
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Unknown
Well, who knows, right? No one's seen it.
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Joe Rogan
Right. But. But I mean, that's what it meant. I mean, the one that's at Mar a Lago, there's photos of it at Mar a Lago. See, that looks like that would fit inside the sarcophagus, doesn't it? Scroll up a little so I can see.
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Dan
Yeah, maybe. Maybe I was wrong about that. But I do know, except for the handles, I do know that the measurements are off drastically. It's not. It's not just an inch or two. It's enough that you're not sliding one.
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Joe Rogan
Can you show a photo of it at Mar a Lago? I know we pulled it up at one point in time, because when these folks are standing around next to it. Yeah. They're the far left. Yeah. See?
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Dan
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
See, that looks like it would fit in there.
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Dan
It does look like it would. But, yeah, if you look up the measurements, I. I wish I don't. Don't have them off the top of my head, but, yeah, they're. They are the king's chamber. Yeah. If the. The sarcophagus in the king's chamber and the Ark of the Covenant are. Yes.
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Joe Rogan
I mean, I feel like we should send the Green Berets into that church.
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Dan
Oh, yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Come on, guys, tell us. What the fuck. You got enough of this? Enough hiding? You.
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Dan
You.
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Joe Rogan
This is like. If you have that. That is. That's something for the whole human race to know. That's not something for you to hide. That's not yours to. To covet. No, that's wrong.
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Dan
No. But. But if they've been hiding it forever and it's a religious icon and it's. And they're like the. The keepers of it or whatever.
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Joe Rogan
Look how big the sarcophagus is in the King's channel. Yeah.
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Dan
Dang.
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Joe Rogan
That thing's. That. That. That's crazy. The. The king's chamber itself is so bananas. The. The whole thing, like, why. What did you do? Why'd you do it this way? How'd you have the resources? How'd you get those stones that are that big up so high?
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Dan
Oh, man, there's so much, there's so much about the pyramids in general that are just so hard to even like the, like I mentioned a little bit last time we talked. The squaring of it is so it's like 756ft long and there's like 2 to 3 inch variation on, on at the most. So you're, you're talking like thousands of a percent on this massive thing. And then if you just stretch a rope from one into this table to the other and hold it tight, it's going to sag a little.756ft. You're not getting a 2 inch accurate measurement at that.
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Joe Rogan
With a rope.
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Dan
With the ropes. You have to use something different.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. So what are you using?
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Dan
Yeah, exactly.
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Joe Rogan
What are you using? How are you using it? How do you get 2,300,000 stones all placed within 20 years? The 20 year thing is nuts that.
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Dan
Throw that one out because that's, that's, that's the cynical side of things. That's where they are. We have to stick to what we know, what we believe. It's like just a couple pharaohs before that guy built three pyramids. So you can't just say, well these guys were only building them each generation for tombs. It's, it seems to me like it's a multi generational project. If that's, if these guys were the ones that built them, like, like the historians say, it seems to me like every generation was working on three. I break ground on my grandsons, I'm getting my sons going and I'm finishing mine. Every generation was probably doing that because these things probably took 100 years to build. Man, they're huge.
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Joe Rogan
The only explanation outside of that, it was some lost technology. Yes, that's the only explanation. The problem with the lost technology thing is where's the tools? Like what would you use? There is some evidence that there's some sophisticated cutting methods. The coring, the drills that indicate like a very high speed drill, which is interesting. So it's not just as simple as, you know, getting some tube and slowly working its way through. The way it's cut into some of the granite indicates that it was done at a high speed. So the question is like how, what, what was the material? Where is it? What happened to it?
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Dan
And like the, the argument of course would be this is the kind of stuff that we get looted right away. Right. If you watch Mad Max and they're not running around picking up bottle caps or picking up the, the stuff you can use. But on the flip side, of that, the, you know, the evidence, you know, if you look at any one of your videos or mine that are about the pyramid, you're gonna have thousands of comments of people that are like, here's my theory on the pyramid. And most of these are pretty mundane. Most of these are, I think they might have used water too. We kind of need to exhaust, in my mind, we kind of need to exhaust all that mundane shit that the people can throw at this problem before we really can start saying, okay, now let's, let's, let's just step outside of history and speculate hard. I'm willing to entertain the things, but if you really want to find out what happened in my mind, you kind of have to be more, more grounded with it.
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Jamie Vernon
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Joe Rogan
Promos well, I think if we're looking at a linear timeline between the technology that was available to people, say 15,000 years ago and today, then, yeah, then you have to look at it in a more mundane way because obviously they didn't have electricity. Then you're thinking, obviously they didn't have diamond tip cutting tools that were made out of like some super titanium or whatever the fuck the alloy was. But if we're looking at lost technology and if we're looking at the possibility of, you know, when you get into Graham Hancock stuff, specifically the younger Dryas impact theory, which I'm always fascinated by, both the people that fully support it and the people that fully Dismiss it. Both of those things are interesting to me. Because you don't know. Just stop.
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Dan
Thank you.
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Joe Rogan
Just stop.
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Dan
Thank you. Shut your hole. So accurate right there.
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Joe Rogan
Shut your hole. We're all just guessing. We're guessing, but we're all looking at some really interesting stuff, right. We're looking at the iridium, we're. We're looking at the micro diamonds, the nano diamonds, we're looking at the black mat. Yeah. Do you know about my friend John Reeves up in Alaska, the, the, the boneyard in Alaska?
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Dan
No, I don't.
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Joe Rogan
John Reeves, he actually. This, he found this. This was actually sod. This isn't. That's an ancient mammoth bone. The piece that was cut out was how it was carbon dated and I forget what the carbon date it was. It wasn't that extraordinary. Hundreds of years, I think. Right? It was only hundreds of years. Right. Or maybe a couple thousand. I forget what it was, but the fact that it was sawed at the top is very interesting because they were trying to. Some of the bones they've dated to tens of thousands of years, including animals that they found that they found bones of that weren't even supposed to be in this area. So he has a very small piece of. He has an enormous piece of land, but a small piece of it. I think it's only about six acres where they're finding an enormous number of woolly mammoth bones, short faced bear, all these different lions and all these different animals that some of them, they didn't even think were in Alaska 10, 15,000 years ago. And there's also a thick layer of dark carbon that indicates that like something happened, like there was some sort of massive burn. And the theory is that there was an enormous flood and that this was a basin where a lot of these animals that died got washed into and then covered. So they have this wall that is essentially permafrost and they hose it down. They do it all the time. And then they see a mammoth tusk and then they slowly work their way out. But he has go to his Instagram page. John was about. He's every year he's our last guest but this year he got pneumonia so we had a delay him until recently. But this is all stuff that they find. He's a gold miner. So this is all stuff that they find incidentally on his property. What started out incidentally and now they search for it. But that's John right there in the middle with the baseball hat on. So he, the big guy right there, he's a giant human. I see So I mean, you got to see him in real life. He's huge. But this area that he has is extraordinary because he's got enormous. See, that's how they hose it all down. So he set up this multi million dollar research facility out there. He's got huge warehouses, store thousands and thousands of these bones. And it's just in a six acre area. And then there's another additional area that's a similar size so that you can see one of the bones, one of the tusks sticking out. But he gave us that step bison skull that's in the lobby. I don't know if you saw that. That's 10,000 years old.
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Dan
Wow. Damn.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. And so he's got a bunch of. And he pulls them out left and right. See if you can find like some of the bins that he has. So he's got these enormous. Like, look. Look at all those mammoth tusks.
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Dan
Holy.
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Joe Rogan
Just stacks of them. Yeah, a ton of them. And they're all over the place. I mean, his, his property is really, really extraordinary. Wow. But it's all his.
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Dan
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
So he's like, hey, fuck off. Like, I'm. I'm just gonna dig this stuff up myself. I don't want anybody coming in lying and bullshitting and controlling the area. It's on. All on private land. So I'm just gonna keep pulling the stuff out of there and hiring people to come in and do some research on it. Look at all these bones I found. Isn't that insane?
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Dan
That's. That's wild.
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Joe Rogan
So the, that's the theory. The theory is that this was an area where a lot of these animals that died probably instantaneously by the impact got washed into and.
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Dan
Okay. And I, I could see that. I mean, he has a lot of bones there. This is.
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Joe Rogan
You're only getting a tiny fraction of it if you actually see it.
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Dan
See.
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Joe Rogan
Jamie, see if you can find one of the images of his warehouses, like from like there's some overhead views of the warehouses. They're huge. And they're just filled with bones. And he pulls them out every day. Like whenever they want. They go down, they hose down the permafrost. And because it's in the permafrost, it's all preserved.
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Dan
Yeah. Wow. That's what I was just thinking is permafrost is preserved real well. Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. So these are just. Yeah, but these are all storage bins.
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Dan
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
They have filled with bones. I mean, it's pretty extraordinary.
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Dan
That is wild. Yeah. So it's sad that he doesn't want to bring the scientists in, but I can understand why. It's, you know, it, the, the way that things are nowadays, it's.
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Joe Rogan
He doesn't trust him.
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Dan
Exactly. A lot of people don't.
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Joe Rogan
And he wanted to come on here to like, spread it out to the world. One of the things that he found out was that they dumped the previous owners of his property before he owned it. The what, what museum was it again, Jamie? American National History Museum in New York City had acquired some of the bones and they had so much of them that they dumped some of them in the East River. Now, they denied it, so he sent divers out to the exact spot in the east river and they started pulling up step bison bones and all these different, like, ancient, ancient animal bones from this exact area where they said to look for it. So it's pretty much been confirmed that it's true. And he does know that they have some of them still and they won't release them to him. So until they release the bones to him that are rightfully his, he's like, fuck off. You can't come here.
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Dan
I can understand that.
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Joe Rogan
But his spot, in my opinion, is one of the best indicators that there was a mass casualty event. There was some sort of a huge catastrophe that took place that killed all of these animals. Now we know that humans were around back then. The question was, how sophisticated were they? And this is where it all gets so weird, you know, because I've been following this forever and ever and ever. And I was following it long before they discovered Gobekli Tepe. And so the question was that the archaeologists would always, the really arrogant archaeologists would always throw in the faces of these heretics. They would say, well, if this is true, where's the evidence of this ancient civilization that was so sophisticated they can make massive stone structures 10,000 years ago? There is no evidence. Well, now there is.
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Dan
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
So now they have to kind of look at it and go, well, okay, we're wrong about that. But we're still, we know 2,500 BC maximum, that's how old the pyramids are.
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Dan
They don't. They don't. A lot of the scientists, most of the scientists are actually scientists, but the ones that we end up seeing are the ones that are invested in creating a narrative. They're the ones that. They want to make sure that pseudoarchaeology and pseudoscience is always on its back foot and never gets a fair day in court and blah, blah, blah. These guys, they don't give us any real Accurate interpretation of the data. They'll step way outside of their lane to tell you what's going on.
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Joe Rogan
What do you mean, like Flint Dibble?
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Dan
I mean. I mean exactly like Flint Dibble.
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Joe Rogan
Well, you were the guy that broke down what he was inaccurate about when he was having that air quotes debate with Graham Hancock. Well, yeah, it's all very unfortunate because what he does know is really interesting. All that stuff about ancient seeds and stuff and how they. They change over the time. And you know, how you can tell whether a sea is domesticated versus whether it's feral.
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Dan
Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's good at what he does, at least as far as that stuff goes. But like, there's a guy that's a trained anthropologist that made a couple of videos about him, Sam Urban from Illegitimate Scholar. And he. I think Graham mentioned him here before he specialized in underwater shipwrecks. And he just blasted the stuff that Flint said. Not just the 3 million shipwrecks he just blasted. On a scientific level, this is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, he got way out of his lane with that.
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Dan
Yeah. And that's, you know, that's, I guess, one of the biggest things here. All those guys right now are laughing, going, you're an electrician, Dan. You're outside your lane every time you talk about this shit.
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Joe Rogan
But the difference isn't you're outside your lane. I'm outside my lane about fucking if I'm not talking about people getting beat up or cracking jokes.
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Dan
Yeah, well, only you would have a painting of you busting Shangulus's ass.
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Joe Rogan
I didn't make that.
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Dan
Every time he posts that picture, he's like, I had a great time on jru. I'm like, man, I seen that. That's a beautiful work of art.
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Joe Rogan
Right? It's very pretty.
- [29:13]
Dan
Very pretty. Good painting.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. So we're all out of our lanes. It's with something. Every person who's an expert is out of their lanes with a lot of things.
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Dan
But there's a difference. And this is like what you alluded to it a minute ago where it's like, there's a difference between saying, we know for a fact and we're not sure.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah.
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Dan
And you know, a common atheist argument. If you talk like Richard Dawkins, he'll say, the minute that a scientist says God did it, they're not worth a fuck to me in the lab because they're not working anymore. They're like, I've got the answer. But that's the same thing as the science is settled. If you say the science is done, we know for a fact you're not.
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Joe Rogan
You can't say that.
- [29:46]
Dan
You're no longer worth the fuck to me in the lab.
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Joe Rogan
Science is not settled when you don't have all the information in the universe.
- [29:51]
Dan
Exactly. Since we never will.
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Joe Rogan
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Joe Rogan
Maybe we won't, but maybe our future people will.
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Dan
Future selves. Yes.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. I mean, what we're looking at is a mystery. And Egypt to me, is one of the most phenomenal of all the mysteries, one of the most fascinating. Because whatever happened, however long ago, those people in Africa did something that no one's been able to do since.
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Dan
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
And they did it in a way that defies our understanding, not just of what they could do back then, but of what people could ever do, including right now.
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Dan
Yeah. And there's a lot to be said like that you can't see about ancient Egypt. That's amazing. Like, you know the Bronze Age collapse? You've heard of that, right? And the Sea Peoples. Egypt was like the big power that survived like all these other big powers, they were destroyed, they were crushed. They lost everything. Now Egypt got smaller, but it survived. It wasn't until the Greeks came along. That was. I mean, they'd been conquered off and on, but it wasn't until the Greeks came along that they were truly subjugated.
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Joe Rogan
And that's thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
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Dan
And by the time the Greeks showed up, that shit was so old that you look on the Osirion, they say that there's graffiti that's like the sacred geometry. That was hermeticism, that was popular in Greece. So they're seeing hermeticist stuff when the sacred geometry on it. And that's like, you know, thousands of years later, their minds are blown the same as they are today.
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Joe Rogan
Wow.
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Dan
And that's really fucked when you think about Alexander the Great going there and tripping balls on the same shit we do. Right. That's crazy, man.
- [32:45]
Joe Rogan
One of my favorite quotes is that Cleopatra was born closer to the age of the iPhone than she was to the construction of the pyramids.
- [32:54]
Dan
Yes.
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Joe Rogan
When you think about it that way, you're like, wait, what? What? For real? That's just the conventional dating of the age of the pyramid, which is much discussed and debated.
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Dan
Very much.
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Joe Rogan
And probably should be. It really probably should be. You know, I know people want to point to carbon dating, but. But the problem with that is that we know that people resurface things and they do touch ups. In fact, they're doing touch ups right now, ill advised, in my opinion. On the base of the sphinx, where they've covered the feet. I think that's horrible.
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Dan
It's terrible. I should have air dropped this to Jamie. I'll send it to in a second. There's a image that I've got that was just sent to me that's pretty amazing. There's a wall of one of the magazines in one of the pyramids that has a bunch of those vases in it. And this wall is like that collapsed. And the magazine is the name for a room. Anyway, they reconstructed this room. They reconstructed the wall. And it's got a. A piece of one of those vases in the wall, like right in the rubble that makes up the wall. And I, I could not. I just. I don't even have it saved. I'm sorry. Let me grab it. Real cross. Sorry. I should have done this.
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Joe Rogan
You're one of those dudes use that tiny little phone. Look at that little thing.
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Dan
I'm an old guy.
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Joe Rogan
Is that the iPhone? Mini. Is that what that Is, or is that the SE or something?
- [34:18]
Dan
Oh yeah, the se. I think something like that.
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Joe Rogan
How long is the battery Life on that? 20 minutes?
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Dan
14. 20 minutes is about 30 extra. My son actually, he wanted an iPhone so bad, I got him an iPhone. Had it for two years and he's like, can I please have an Android? I'm so tired of having to charge my phone twice a day at school.
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Joe Rogan
Well, the new iPhones last forever. The new iPhones. Well, I think The Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra and the X24 Ultra have the longest battery life in comparison to iPhone. Like, you know, they do those tests where they play like the Avengers and they'll play it like non stop on a loop to see which battery dies out quicker. Oh yeah, the Androids last longer. Well, that makes sense, but not by much. Like you have to be a total psycho to go, I haven't. I have an Android, I have a, a Galaxy S24 Ultra and I have an iPhone. I've never had one of them run out of batteries. If you charge it in the morning, you have to be a total psycho to have it have no battery life. At the end of the day you should go to a doctor. You have a real, real phone addiction.
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Dan
The only time I ever had that problem recently was when I went to the Met. I went to the Met Museum in New York and that was. I burnt. I never. I was blown away by the artifacts and stuff and ended up like basically burning my phone into the ground just taking pictures.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, you got a dead battery, son.
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Dan
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
It's kind of amazing that batteries work at all. Which one of the things I wanted to bring up to you was the Baghdad Battery. Yeah. Do you think that's real? Was that what that was or is there some debate? Let's, let's tell people what it is. The Baghdad Battery.
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Dan
It's a clay pot. There's a number of them. They're clay vessels. They have a, a copper and lead inside of them. And the way that the cap is and stuff, you could potentially fill them with orange juice or something like that, a minor acid and get an electric charge from it. Now wouldn't be much of one, but you could do it. And that's something that's worth noting right there is that you can. This has been. Archaeologists have determined that. Well, yeah, I mean we don't like to admit it, but yes, these potentially could have been batteries. So like there was a guy that do a debunking on it, That's a popular YouTuber and another archaeologist came around and kind of slapped him around a little bit. And he had to admit he's like, okay, I didn't do my research. Good.
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Joe Rogan
So this is the Baghdad Battery.
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Dan
Yes.
- [36:38]
Joe Rogan
What is the conventional explanation for what these things are?
- [36:42]
Dan
The conventional explanation is that they're pots. They really don't have, like, a good solid debunking of it, like, despite what it says there on the screen.
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Joe Rogan
But because of what I mean, this is not speculative. Right. Because of what the actual materials are. If you filled it with a minor acid, it would conduct electricity. So it does work.
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Dan
Yeah. It wouldn't make a lot, but it would make a little.
- [37:11]
Joe Rogan
Like, how much is a little? Like, enough to power a toothbrush?
- [37:14]
Dan
I don't think that much. But I know that the reports anyway, was that a guy was able to make a very minor electroplate with it. And that would be the kind of thing that would be most likely applications because other stuff requires serious.
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Joe Rogan
Right. So like plating things with gold and stuff like that. Interesting. So the real, the craziest theory of all, for sure, is the Christopher Dunn. The Christopher Dunn theory about the actual pyramid itself. He believes it's a massive power plant. And he believed that they were using some sort of chemicals and a certain frequency, like vibration to generate hydrogen with all the chambers and all. And, you know, the way he describes it, it sounds very compelling because there's. I don't know what he's talking about. He might. He might be making it all up. Right. So the way he's saying it sounds so interesting. I've never heard anybody try to break down whether or not what he's saying makes sense, though.
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Dan
Well, now, I like Chris. I get along with him well. I talk to him on the phone probably a couple times a month. He's we. And he knows that I disagree with him. The thing that right off the bat, as an electrician, the first thing that stands out to me is the claim of getting piezoelectricity from the blocks, which. Piezoelectricity is the electricity you get from, like, a quartz crystal when you stress it. So like your watch or a charcoal igniter for a grill. Right. The igniter is just a piece of quartz that they pop it with, a little spring and a stick when you pop it, and it's got a piece of metal on each side and wires, and that harnesses the charge. That's the first thing, is each one of the quartz crystals in those big limestone blocks would have to have a piece of metal around it and wires coming off of it or Some way of harnessing the electricity. There's tons of natural electricity. Happens all the time. Right. But you have to harness it in order to do something with it.
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Joe Rogan
Is this just our understanding of how to use electricity? And could there potentially be something that we missed?
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Dan
Well, there's definitely stuff we don't know about electricity. I mean, we'll start there. There's clearly things we don't know about. We still have guys working on the shit all the time and they're making better and better semiconductors and whatnot all the time. And. But having said that, maybe. But at that point, we're kind of like. My thinking on that is, is if we're going to say this is a technological thing and here's the way we get there, and then it's like, well, but we can't really do this. Well, couldn't it be something else? Well, at that point, why say that? This is. Why build a technological story from what we have? Why not just make shit up?
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Joe Rogan
Also, it's like, what came first, the chicken or the egg? Because if you have the technology to turn that thing into a gigantic electrical generator, where did you get the technology to build it? Yeah, like, what do you use? If this is the first one, if you figured so that means you made more of these to make electricity, to figure or some other form of power, you did something. And that's what, to me, is so amazing about this, that no one can really look at it and go, oh, this is simple.
- [40:18]
Dan
No. You know, even. Even if you just. It's a tomb. It's a tomb alone. Even those guys have to admit that it's not simple. Right. But when you look at it from a potentially technological angle, I mean, there's. Chris had put a lot of work into his theory. It's not. And it is intricate. And he's a very intelligent person. He is really. He's so smart that when I talk to him, I. I feel like. I feel like I'm talking to a guy a bit smarter than me, right? Yeah, he's intelligent, but I don't agree with him on some of these things. And that's really. I think that's one of the reasons he likes me, is because I'll be chill about it and just be. I'm like, like, yeah, you're charlatan.
- [40:56]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, that's a really important point. And that's one of the things that I really do enjoy about your videos. When you disagree about something, you're very cordial about it. I think that's important because you know, I've talked about this many times, but it's a real flaw with human beings. We attach ourselves to ideas and we defend those ideas as if we're defending our worth as people. And it's stupid. And if you're wrong about something, it's just information. It should just be an idea. It shows far more about your flaws if you're willing to defend ideas that are clearly inaccurate.
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Dan
I couldn't agree with you more there. Thanks for the compliment, by the way, but yeah, couldn't agree with you more there. It's a complete mess. And especially when it's science. That's where archeology really can piss me off because these guys, there's a lot of it that's just made up stuff. Right. It's one thing to say we know for a fact this was carbon dated to X and blah. It's another thing to say this looks like that, therefore it's this. That's the same. The guys say that about all kinds of shit. Right. Oh, here's. These stones look like pillows. Ergo, they must be concrete. Well, it's like. Jamie, could you show that stupid image with the anime face on it? I'm using this one to drive that point home. That the pareidolia is not. Just because it looks like something does not mean that the pareidolia. Yeah, pareidolia is when you see these. See something in the clouds or whatever. Oh, just because something looks like something doesn't mean that this is the way to assess what a fucking ancient artifact is.
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Joe Rogan
Oh, this one is the image of the. The eyes of. Is the eyes of Horus. Is that what that is?
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Dan
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
And then so there's a lot of weird speculation as to what that means. Right. And some people think it means the pineal gland.
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Dan
Yeah, there's a lot of speculation about that. Agreed. But my point is, obviously we can't just assume that. Oh, well, because it looks like some anime girl. It's the ancient Egyptian, of course, but.
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Joe Rogan
That'S one of the best ones. Is that the image of someone holding up something that either is a basket or looks like some sort of frequencies are emanating from some device?
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Dan
Yeah, that one's interesting.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. Like maybe it's a basket. It doesn't look like a basket though. It looks. Looks like some. You're trying to indicate something.
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Dan
Yeah, it does. It does look like they're trying to.
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Joe Rogan
At the very least, highlight the other ones with the. The is long phallus looking tubes. That's. That seem to be Some sort of energy source or something?
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Dan
Well, a lot of. And a lot of them have that, like, pyramid shape on their. On their crotch, right? Yeah, just like this big straight. And it's not. It doesn't look phallic, but, I mean, it kind of implies it. But it implies. Almost like it's a. Like it's symbolism for something. Right.
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Joe Rogan
Those long tube ones. See, if you could find those. How would you describe that? Like, if he's gonna search for it.
- [43:36]
Dan
Energy emanating from the.
- [43:39]
Joe Rogan
Right. That's.
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Dan
Yes. This is one of the hardest things about this, is trying to find.
- [43:43]
Joe Rogan
Bam. He found it.
- [43:44]
Dan
Oh, damn. Oh, so then there are lights. That's. Yes. Derp.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. So, like, what the hell is that?
- [43:49]
Dan
That's. Yeah, that. They. Some people think it's an actual light bulb. That's a bong to the left. Some people think that that's a.
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Joe Rogan
Well, like, what is that supposed to be? What the hell is that supposed to be? There's. It looks like a serpent inside of it.
- [44:05]
Dan
Yeah, it's there. The mainstream thing is that it's like a symbol of. Of life. And, like, that's the. I forget which. Which plant that is, but what's that.
- [44:15]
Joe Rogan
Thing above it, too? What are those little. That. Yeah. What the hell's that?
- [44:19]
Dan
Oh, it looks like writing of some sort, but I'm not sure what it says.
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Joe Rogan
That's one of the. My main hopes for AI That AI will get so sophisticated that can start deciphering these things in a more meaningful way, in a way where you could use these large language models. Like, if we get some. They have the Rosetta stone, and the Rosetta stone allowed them to decipher a lot of the ancient hieroglyphs. If they could get some sort of much more comprehensive analysis of what they were trying to say with this stuff.
- [44:52]
Dan
That would be nice.
- [44:53]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. If it's even possible. I mean, I'm just guessing.
- [44:56]
Dan
Well, yeah, that's Dendera Light. It might be something that they can pull off. It's. You know, AI is a tough one. You don't have to ask Elon. That's more his neck of the woods than mine. But.
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Joe Rogan
So it's part of the. It references part of the Egyptian creation myth.
- [45:11]
Dan
Yes. The. The water lily or the. The lotus flower was. That came out of the.
- [45:19]
Joe Rogan
It's so weird.
- [45:20]
Dan
It is. Their. Their iconography is weird. That's one of the reasons I was taking so many pictures at the. At the Met. It was just like. Just. It's so many things are just Weird, Just weird. You just look at, you're like this does not so old.
- [45:35]
Joe Rogan
So old and so weird. It's like we don't even know what their language sounded like, which is also amazing.
- [45:41]
Dan
Yeah, it is.
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Joe Rogan
It's like I just. Of all the places in the world where I could go back in time and observe, you know, just somehow undetected, you know, if you get a, like a, some sort of a sphere of time that could place you in a place where you would, you wouldn't disturb anything, but you could observe. That's what I like. What was going on.
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Dan
Yeah. Well, how'd they do that?
- [46:07]
Joe Rogan
What did it look like? What did their culture look like? What did the people look like when they were going about their daily tasks? You know, we used to think it was slaves that built the pyramid. Now they think, no, they were skilled workers and they think that based on what their diet was and they were eating good food and these, these people were well taken care of that were involved in working around that area. So like, who were they? What was it? What was it all about?
- [46:31]
Dan
Yeah, that's one of the things that they, when they say that it's not slaves that built it, that kind of makes me chuckle because yeah, we know that they had, you know, well fed people that worked there, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they were the only people that worked there. I mean, if you go, right, you go down to construction over here, you're going to have a guy that's eating at zip or eating at freaking Burger King or whatever, and you're going to have another guy who's eating a $300 lunch and they're going to be working the same job site.
- [46:56]
Joe Rogan
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Dan
They're slaves. That's right.
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Joe Rogan
It's like you have a job to do no matter what you want to do. Oh, you want to become a musician? Fuck off. Go push that rock.
- [48:39]
Dan
Push the rock. I push it some more. Well you know what? That one is another.
- [48:42]
Joe Rogan
We're never going to stop being fascinated by the people of the past that we don't understand. And I think again the best example of that is Egypt.
- [48:52]
Dan
Yeah, that's where like we were talking about how the archaeology and the archaeologists and pseudo guys will argue with each other so much about and it gets so bad blooded about it. It's like man, I talked about this a little bit last time but there's really, I see it as two distinct like halves of the human psyche at work in this, in this regard. You can almost see the, the distinction in the way that scientists tend to be antisocial. They're, they're not. And it may not be antisocial might not be the right word but they're just a little weird, man. They're the kind of guys that they dress weird, they talk weird, they act weird, they just come across weird.
- [49:28]
Joe Rogan
You're talking about Flynn Dibble.
- [49:29]
Dan
I'm talking about all scientists in general. But yes, he would be one of them. But he's not the only one like John who Hoops is a great example of this too. If you watch him, the way he carries himself, the way he talks, he's just fucking. And look at Einstein, you watch that guy, he carried himself fucking weird.
- [49:44]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. But my friend Chris Williamson has a very interesting take on that that I think is very accurate. He said if you expect regular people to get extraordinary results, you're being silly. You're going to get weird people that are going to get weird results.
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Dan
That's exactly right. I agree with you. Now I'm more scientifically literate I think than most of the people that I know. And I kind of feel like Shane Gillis jokes about being nicked by the down syndrome thing, I feel like I was nicked by the antisocial thing. I walk into a bar, and if I don't know anybody, my first instinct is just to go sit in the corner and watch.
- [50:21]
Joe Rogan
That's part of the problem with being intelligent. You're worried that you're going to get dragged into a dumbass conversation. It won't be stimulating. It's the opposite of stimulating.
- [50:31]
Dan
Oh, it's terrible. Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [50:33]
Dan
But if you sit in the corner and watch, well done. You look like the weird old guy creeper in from the fucking corner. So you just go sit at the bar and talk to people. But I. I'm aware that, you know, I can be a little off that way. Right. But these guys, they're. Every now and again, one of them will show up. That's like a Carl Sagan. Now, this guy, he's just a regular Joe. He could talk to everybody. And he happens to be a fucking great scientist. Scientist. And, you know, he got a lot of from his colleagues for that. He got a lot of from his colleagues for taking the time to talk to the peasants.
- [51:03]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, but.
- [51:05]
Dan
And the way he did it wasn't abrasive. You know, if somebody asked him about aliens, if they're like, man, you know, what. What do you think was the aliens were up to over on Alpha Centauri? What kind of technology you think they have? And that's almost his initial response to be like, you're always thinking, how the fuck am I supposed to know?
- [51:20]
Joe Rogan
Right?
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Dan
But then he. Well, you know, Alpha Centauri is about a billion years older than our star. So if you were to assume that they were around for a billion years longer than us and had the same stuff, and so he would entertain them and then he would do things. He would interject a little bit of science. When they would ask a question, he would answer it and make sure that there was a little science in that. So that people that really didn't give a fuck about learning about the science, they just want to talk about UFOs.
- [51:46]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [51:47]
Dan
Spoonful of sugar and the fucking medicine went down. You're walking out with some science in your head, bitch. Like it or not. Yeah.
- [51:53]
Joe Rogan
That's being a science educator, which is very important and very rare for them to be good.
- [51:58]
Dan
It's very rare for them to be good.
- [52:00]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Have you seen the recent images that they got from Mars of that big square? What the fuck is that?
- [52:09]
Dan
It's one of those things where I was talking to Jamie just before the show is a bad Day to be a professional skeptic, I'm telling you. What if this you've been making the last. You're living the last 20 years, poo pooing, all the aliens and UFO shit and whatnot. Man, oh man, is it a rough day for you? Because that same shit was lidar from the South American forest. You'd be like, yeah, there's probably a village there. It makes sense.
- [52:30]
Joe Rogan
This is even more clear than lidar.
- [52:32]
Dan
Yeah, I know. It's. It's super square. Yeah.
- [52:34]
Joe Rogan
Jamie, pull a photo of it up. This is super recent, right?
- [52:37]
Dan
Yeah, just a few days ago.
- [52:38]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. This, this.
- [52:39]
Unknown
Found it recently. I think it's been online for a while.
- [52:42]
Dan
Oh, really?
- [52:42]
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, that's what I was reading.
- [52:44]
Joe Rogan
Oh, so there's. Is it that there's a mass of data that they scanned from the surface and then someone just detected this recently?
- [52:50]
Unknown
I think someone just found it on the website.
- [52:52]
Joe Rogan
It might be one of those things. It's like, who is going to go by hand over each one of these images? And I mean, you're dealing with the entire surface of a planet. That's. What is it like three quarters of.
- [53:04]
Dan
The size of Earth that. I think that might even be a little smaller than that. I think it's. Yeah, I think it's a little larger, but I could be wrong.
- [53:13]
Joe Rogan
Well, so something smaller than Earth.
- [53:16]
Dan
Yeah.
- [53:16]
Joe Rogan
But bigger than the moon. And you're going to go over the entire surface of it a lot. Yeah. And this. I think they think the rough estimates of this square are between 300 kilometers, 300 meters and multiple kilometers. They don't know how big it is. You know, it's. Because it's like, it's hard to get a reference.
- [53:35]
Dan
Yeah.
- [53:35]
Joe Rogan
So I think the estimate is at the very smallest. It's several hundred meters across. So this thing, this square, it's really crazy because it's right angle. Right angle, right angle, right angle.
- [53:48]
Dan
Yeah. And doesn't look to be very asymmetrical.
- [53:53]
Unknown
Like they added that square so you can see it better. It's like superimposed on that one.
- [53:58]
Dan
Yeah, yeah.
- [53:58]
Joe Rogan
But this is the original image. Just this alone. You're like, what the.
- [54:02]
Dan
I said if, if you were to tell me that was a lidar picture from South America, I'd be like, okay.
- [54:07]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it's just too convenient that it makes a square. It just seems so weird.
- [54:13]
Dan
It is.
- [54:14]
Joe Rogan
And then there's another image that goes along with this that's even more bizarre. Maybe not even more bizarre, but it's like, almost looks Like a cone. Like a cone structure that's emanating from the surface, like, surrounded by a circle.
- [54:28]
Dan
Yeah.
- [54:29]
Joe Rogan
Have you seen that one?
- [54:29]
Dan
I've seen that one, but I've seen people talk about that.
- [54:31]
Joe Rogan
See if you can find that one, Jamie. Yeah, it's real weird stuff. And no one has. Like, the face on Mars was real interesting. I got really into Richard Hoagland and all his Cydonia stuff for a while, but he was making some very bizarre measurements. Like, if you go one half of the distance between this and three quarters of the way between, that's exact number. That takes a. Like, what do you. But, but don't do that. How about don't do that. Don't just arbitrarily look for some sort of.
- [55:03]
Dan
I. I did that in a video once, kind of being a dick, making fun of the idea that there's all this data encoded in the vases. I have no problem with the idea of the vases being like, you know, proof that these guys were. They're definitely exacting and whatnot. But the idea that they've, like, hidden data.
- [55:19]
Joe Rogan
Is that the Cydonia face.
- [55:22]
Dan
I guess.
- [55:23]
Unknown
It'S right by the square.
- [55:24]
Joe Rogan
What? Really?
- [55:25]
Dan
Wow.
- [55:26]
Unknown
I guess, right? Is that what that's saying?
- [55:28]
Joe Rogan
I don't know.
- [55:29]
Dan
Yeah.
- [55:29]
Joe Rogan
Oh, my God. It says the giant square structure. Just a short hike from the legendary face on Mars. Holy shit.
- [55:35]
Dan
That's crazy.
- [55:36]
Joe Rogan
How do they miss that? They're concentrating on the face, which is like. Might be a face. My knob. To me, the original images. Yeah. Look really wild, but then the images afterwards were like, oh, no. It's just the weird light hitting it in a certain way. And you can find plenty of structures on Earth that will do a similar thing. But I was.
- [55:58]
Unknown
I saw this too.
- [55:59]
Joe Rogan
Why is that.
- [56:02]
Unknown
This weird? They're finding, like, sticking out.
- [56:05]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. You find weird in nature that. That's not as compelling as the other one. There was something that looked like a cone. So the actual image when they got. What is that dirty stuff? Horrible. Feed that you.
- [56:19]
Unknown
I just typed in Mars photo.
- [56:20]
Dan
Time for a bathroom break. Twitter. What's wrong with Twitter?
- [56:24]
Joe Rogan
I know. It is kind of wild that Twitter has, like, hardcore porn.
- [56:27]
Dan
It always has.
- [56:28]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, very weird. I'm not complaining. Do whatever you want. I'm all for doing whatever you want, but this original tract of images, it's a long one, and if you scroll through it, one of them is some very bizarre looking cone, like, structure. That's it. That's it.
- [56:47]
Dan
Oh, okay. Yeah. That is weird.
- [56:49]
Joe Rogan
Very weird. Like, what's that. I mean, it could be just a mountain, but it looks like a zit.
- [56:54]
Dan
It does. It's. It is.
- [56:56]
Joe Rogan
And the fact that it's so close to that other thing. That's what's screwing. Yeah. The faces in it. They're all. Yeah. So it's all this one area that's been studied for a long time as being that there's a bunch of different things there that you could interpret as being some sort of a structure.
- [57:12]
Dan
Well, Jimmy was sharing that video and was, in response to this, the Buzz Aldrin saying that there's like a monolith. A monolith on the moon. Yeah. I hadn't seen that before. I mean, I embarrassingly, hadn't. I always been a little out of the UFO side of things. We've always watched it, but always, you know, just a little bit. I'm usually looking at pyramids.
- [57:33]
Joe Rogan
Wouldn't you like to feed Buzz Aldrin some mushrooms and say, tell me what you know, dude.
- [57:36]
Dan
Yeah.
- [57:37]
Joe Rogan
Tell me what you really know. I like what you know. Did you really go.
- [57:40]
Dan
I like the clip when he punches that dude.
- [57:42]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Wow.
- [57:44]
Dan
Yeah. That guy. You're a liar.
- [57:46]
Joe Rogan
Y needs to work on his punch.
- [57:50]
Dan
Yeah.
- [57:50]
Joe Rogan
Clean shot and didn't do anything.
- [57:51]
Dan
It was a zero gravity training.
- [57:54]
Joe Rogan
His bones are deteriorated in space for so long. That is a wild thing that does happen to them. It takes forever for your body to get back to normal.
- [58:02]
Dan
Yeah.
- [58:02]
Joe Rogan
It's when you're crazy.
- [58:04]
Dan
It's crazy to think that, like, that stress is needed. Like you. If you don't have those kinds of stresses in your life that, like, your body just.
- [58:11]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Which up. The whole Superman method. Because Superman came over here, his body would deteriorate.
- [58:16]
Dan
Yeah.
- [58:16]
Joe Rogan
After a while, he'd be just like us.
- [58:18]
Dan
Poor guy.
- [58:19]
Joe Rogan
Right. It wouldn't work. You can't just fly. But obviously cartoons.
- [58:24]
Dan
No X rays.
- [58:25]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. All those things. The ability to go so fast. You could spend time backwards. Memory spun the earth back.
- [58:31]
Dan
Yeah. Opposite St. Louis Lane. Yes. Water goes up the hill.
- [58:35]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. If you could somehow or another make sense out of the possibility that a civilization existed on Mars and was wiped out millions and millions of years ago, that would change the way we think about everything. And I feel like that square is one step closer to, like, really needing a comprehensive analysis of what's there. Because before, it was just like, oh, it's a lifeless planet. But at one time, it had an atmosphere. Interesting. Oh, they found frozen water. Oh, interesting. Well, they actually found liquid water now.
- [59:12]
Dan
Yeah.
- [59:13]
Joe Rogan
More interesting now. They found A big square. Okay, what's that? Yeah, that one to me is the. What's that?
- [59:20]
Dan
And this is where in my mind the, this is where the, the. That skeptics versus dreamers thing gets really fucked. Because the answer should be the same for everybody. Let's just. Next expedition let's poke around a little up there, right?
- [59:36]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, let's.
- [59:36]
Dan
Let's find out the evidence. But the answer is always from one side, it's definitely this. From the other side, it's definitely not, not completely, but that. To the point where we don't get to draw a parallel with that. John Aguni, the site, the underwater site that Graham Hancock likes to talk about. The skeptics are certain that it's a geological formation. Most of the other people are not. We need work done. That's the clear fucking answer is just put some money at it, put some bodies on it. And until then the answer in my mind is what somebody asked, asks me what do I think about Yonaguni? I say well it's interesting, you know, probably been eroded for a long time. So it might be man made and just looks naturally. It might be natural. We need more evidence before I'm going to hang my hat anywhere, right? And that's which is very reasonable and in all honesty it should be the scientific position. It should be the position that the scientists are espousing. If they wanted to have credibility in this sphere they should be the ones towing that line and then let the pyramidiots all be certain. And this is how we know it was. And the scientists can look but instead they get in the mud and act just like everybody else.
- [60:42]
Joe Rogan
They also stall progress with their arrogance. They stall progress by dismissing any possibility. Like what are those ones? Is it near the Bahamas? Those enormous stones that are on the floor, the surface of the ocean.
- [60:57]
Dan
The Bimini road.
- [60:58]
Joe Rogan
That's right.
- [60:59]
Dan
Yeah.
- [60:59]
Joe Rogan
That one's weird. Like if you don't think that's weird like come on.
- [61:03]
Dan
And they're right that it's. I would agree with a geologist that there's a really good chance that it's just beach rock. However we can do work. Yeah, this is the stuff. It's like other people that you know, if you say that the rocks are geopolymers and sacsayhuaman or whatever, right. It's like there's no reason for us to argue about this man. We just fucking do some work, right?
- [61:24]
Joe Rogan
The Bimini road rant was really interesting. There's a lot of really interesting stuff that they find under the, under the Water that makes you think, okay, what is this? And the Yonaguni thing, like, if that's the case, see that, to me, that could easily be natural.
- [61:40]
Dan
Yeah.
- [61:40]
Joe Rogan
When I'm looking at it right there, that easily could be natural. They're not uniform enough for bells to go off, you know. But that one lower right, that one right below that, Jamie, right below your cursor to the right. That one freaks me out a little. That seems like those are stacked.
- [61:58]
Dan
Yeah, it does. It seems very much like that.
- [62:01]
Joe Rogan
And when you're dealing with, if you want to go really crazy with like the John Anthony west version of it, which is like 30,000 plus years, that's probably what you would have left over.
- [62:12]
Dan
Yeah, that's very accurate there. That's. There's a thought tool that archaeologists use called the Silurian Hypothesis. And Silurians like this Doctor who bad guy that was, went into hibernation. There were lizards, they went into hibernation like before the dinosaurs died out. And then they wake up one day and there's all these monkeys running around on their planet. And so. But that's the Doctor who thing, right. But the Silurian hypothesis is basically a thought tool for archaeologists and historians to say, well, if there was an advanced civilization on Earth 10 million years ago, what will we need to find in order for it to exist? Or what would we find now 10 million years later? And the answer is usually, like radioactive material. It's like 10 million years, man. You might find a couple of bones, but the odds of finding anything that's going to actually prove that they had technology, not much.
- [63:05]
Joe Rogan
That's also the problem with the idea of this very sophisticated construction methods of the pyramids that were using some sort of advanced technology. Like what would. If John Anthony west is correct, and he's talking about 30 plus thousand years, what would be left after 30,000 years? Well, certainly not much metal.
- [63:26]
Dan
No. Oh, no. That stuff would be looted right away.
- [63:29]
Joe Rogan
And even if it wasn't, what would be actually left of it if it was just like sitting on the ground.
- [63:33]
Dan
Be rotted and melted to nothing? The video that you sent me yesterday, the one with the stone nubs, they talked about holes, all those. I can't say for all of the sites, but like the coliseum and stuff, they used metal to bond the bricks together and the concrete together in places. So years later, when the city's under attack and they need metal to make swords, they looted it. That's recorded.
- [64:01]
Joe Rogan
That makes sense.
- [64:02]
Dan
And it happened a lot, a lot in the Roman world.
- [64:05]
Joe Rogan
I'm glad you brought up the nubs and because the nubs. That was one of the videos that I watched of yours yesterday where. What we're talking about, folks, is there's many places like Machu Picchu, there's. What other places have nubs?
- [64:19]
Dan
Oh, all over the place.
- [64:20]
Joe Rogan
Even that, Montana.
- [64:23]
Dan
You'll see them on Egyptian sarcophagi. You'll see them on the casings. Unfinished casing stones at the bottom of Menkaure's pyramid. You'll see them. Basically, almost every megalithic site on the planet has some nubs somewhere. All the ones is there, finished blocks. You'll usually find nubs somewhere.
- [64:39]
Joe Rogan
And do you think that it's possible that those nut. There's the nubs. Those nubs were used to hoist things up and move them into place?
- [64:46]
Dan
Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's a technique called a lifting boss that's used to lift big things like that. But there's a couple of issues with that being the only reason that they're used. For one, A lot of times they're small like that and they wouldn't really do you much good. For two. A lot of times we see them like on the lids of a coffin, for example, which you wouldn't want to leave it there afterwards because you don't want to facilitate the next guy to be able to pop the coffin lid. Right.
- [65:15]
Joe Rogan
You say that they're small, but if you were trying to place something Exactly. And you were lifting it up from the bottom, the only way you would be able to do that is if you had something like a nub sticking on the outside of it in order.
- [65:27]
Dan
To catch a rope or keep it from walking or something like that or.
- [65:30]
Joe Rogan
Whatever it is boards or whatever you're using to lift that and place it into position.
- [65:36]
Dan
Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's like I say, there's. They are lifting bosses are a thing. It's not unknown. There's a good possibility. I mean, there's not a good possibility. Quite certainly quite frequently these were used for that.
- [65:53]
Joe Rogan
And interesting also that the bottom stones don't have them.
- [65:56]
Dan
That's the fact. A lot of people do bring up a good point. I didn't talk about it in my video, but it's interesting point is that. Why did they get left now? Like that one around the windows there, like, to me, that's pretty clearly to the left. Jamie. Sorry. That one right there. Yeah, the one, Scott, that one's pretty clearly, to me, like that's functional. Right. I mean, they're. They're Right.
- [66:18]
Joe Rogan
That looks like maybe like stopped. Had an iron gate attached to it or something.
- [66:22]
Dan
Veranda or some smoking bat balcony. But some of them, on the other hand, they look a lot more questionable. Okay, like. Like those are odd. Yeah. Thank you. They're just weird. And. And sometimes you see them on. On things that don't. Like the. The stone was carved in the ground and they left.
- [66:45]
Joe Rogan
Sorry, Jamie. To the one a little bit higher with the red tint to it. Upper right hand side, upper right. Right above that. Yeah, yeah, click on that. I kill. That is so strange.
- [66:55]
Dan
See, and now like on stones like these, you don't really need a lifting boss. Okay, you got like that. Look at that stone that's on the right there. That's all the one to the left, that guy there. You could just use that lip on the corner. Right, right above. Right below the cursor. You could use that lip for a lifting boss. You could tie a rope around that thing and put it, push it wherever the you wanted. Right.
- [67:15]
Joe Rogan
But if you wanted to get it to sit down without having to pull out whatever's underneath it or whatever underneath it getting crushed, wouldn't you want something to assist you like that little nub?
- [67:26]
Dan
No. Yeah, but again you could just pop it into the corner on the side and do the same thing.
- [67:30]
Joe Rogan
Right, but if you were doing that as a method for each individual stone and some of them you couldn't pop in like that.
- [67:36]
Dan
Okay, I can go with that.
- [67:37]
Joe Rogan
You know what I'm saying? Like it would be a technique that you would use to hoist these things into position. Does anybody have an explanation of what these things are?
- [67:44]
Dan
Yeah, I mean, they. That's the lifting boss, is what the mainstream explanation is that all of them were for that. And there's again, there's. It's the ubiquity that really makes it different to me, it's like. And the popping up on different sides of the ocean. And that's where it just seems kind of weird. It's like for it to show up. That's looking so similar. Used so similar all over the place. Left behind when they're done. That's kind of weird too, right?
- [68:11]
Joe Rogan
They didn't polish them down.
- [68:12]
Dan
They didn't polish them down. Yeah. The rest of the walls, a lot of times, I mean, the stones are fitted so well together. Clearly they knew how to make these stones flat as fuck. Why is this part still got this big tit hanging off of it? It's just. That's weird. Despite the title of my video saying the true purpose, that's just clickbait. Nobody knows. There's the best mainstream explanation would be lifting bosses. The most common alternate history explanation is usually like, like a leftover from the concrete being pulled out, like the guy in the video was saying. Or it's like if you have a bag of concrete and it's just like the one little spot that kind of seeps out. I don't think that they're from geopolymers, but that's.
- [68:56]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I've heard the concrete explanation too as far as the stones in the Great Pyramid.
- [69:01]
Dan
But yeah, no, we can test again, we can test these things. That's where some of the guys that claim that everything's geopolymers will pretend that we can't test things. But the reality is we absolutely can test that for that kind of shit. I mean, that's not difficult at all, actually. So the problem is, and this is where it gets, like you said, the archaeologists stand between things. The problem is that in certain places in the world, like Peru for example, and Bolivia, it's fucking hard to get. Look at those alien bodies right now in Peru, right?
- [69:35]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [69:35]
Dan
Okay.
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Joe Rogan
Oh, we've been looking at them.
- [69:37]
Dan
Oh, I'm sure you have. And the scientists keep saying they're real, but the only scientists I ever see weighing in on them are Peruvian scientists. It's like, okay, let some people from around the world. Oh no, no, you guys, is there us? All right, man, that's.
- [69:50]
Joe Rogan
But is that like a hyper exaggerated version of the boneyard? It could, it could be deeper implications.
- [69:56]
Dan
It could be, but we've seen a lot of the same kind of stuff with them with. They have a problem in Peru with archaeology and corruption with the money. Like I don't know if you saw my video on the elongated skulls, but I didn't. Okay, they, that video I just covered basically how those things came in these big bundles. Okay. They'd get these grave bags and there'd be a body in there. And so they harvested a couple of, I think like 600 of these bundles. And every time they just get opened and willy nilly get moved around. Rockefeller ends up trading for a few of them and to finance because they didn't have finances to store these things properly.
- [70:37]
Joe Rogan
So Rockefeller got some of those heads.
- [70:39]
Dan
Oh yeah. And we don't know how many exactly. He reportedly just four. But like he gives the money to these people to like restore all these mummies. And the first thing that they do is they restore a bunch of textiles that other mummies that they don't have anymore were like packed in and shit. It's just even all the way up into the 60s, an anthropologist opened like 70 some odd bundles, recorded what he found in four of them and put the rest back on the fucking shelf. They've been stealing artifacts and selling them on the open market. It's all about money.
- [71:12]
Joe Rogan
So really rich people, like some billionaire guy goes, I want a mummy. What do I got to get to? I want a mummy room in my castle.
- [71:19]
Dan
I want one with a head. I want one with a really weird head. Which one's got the best head? Let's open 60. And that's just the Cusco tunnels. They just. This one's so fucked. They just announced this January, archaeologists have discovered that there are tunnels running under Cusco in Peru that connect the Temple of the sun to the fortress of Sacsayhuaman and some other places around there. Oh, this is crazy. It's going to be great, man. We did all this lidar. It's going to be amazing. Amazing discovery. Brian Forrester uploaded a video like 11 years ago of him going on a tour. Those times you could pay a guide 20 years ago to go on a tour of those tunnels. They fucking were. The Spanish were writing about them in the 1600s and the late 1500s. The only reason that we didn't investigate these tunnels is because in the 30s was when archaeology started becoming a thing. And going down there and checking out those skulls and shit. And at the exact same time, Madame Blavatsky and Edgar Cayce was like, you know those tunnels that are supposed to be down there? I bet they were built by the Atlanteans. And so ever since then, archaeologists have pooh, poohed it. There was a guy in the 2000s that, he's an Atlantis hunter. He did ground penetrating radar in early 2000s, found those tunnels. They rejected his work. He had a priest that witnessed those tunnels has been down in them. He was rejected out of hand. But that's okay because 25 years later we found it. I promise they didn't steal or sell anything in the last hundred years that the world knew that these things existed. Rich people were going down there and throwing money around and there was zero safeguards. It's just like so. So to circle back to the ufo, the aliens there, it's like, I have a real problem with that shit in Peru because I can't. Yeah, it's just so tainted. It's so corrupt.
- [72:58]
Joe Rogan
It's so weird too. I mean, I love looking at it. I wish it was real. But that to me is always the problem. Whenever it comes to alien stuff, I want it to be real. So that part of my brain, I have to go, hey, stupid, let's, let's. Just because this is an X ray doesn't mean this is legit. By the way, I can make you a fake X ray pretty easy online these days. It wouldn't be hard at all. But these X rays are so compelling that if they are legitimate X rays, if someone really did just piece this together with a bunch of random bones, what a fantastic job they did. Because it doesn't look awkward at all. It looks real.
- [73:36]
Dan
The thing about them that looks the fakest is just a photograph of the bodies themselves. Everything else looks fucking pretty legit.
- [73:42]
Joe Rogan
Right? If the X rays are real.
- [73:44]
Dan
Yes.
- [73:44]
Joe Rogan
And this is part of the problem. But the X rays that they show that they say are real. God, they look so cool. I mean, you see the three fingered hands, you see the bones look similar to ours, but different. You know, there's enough of it that's similar to a human beings and it is some sort of bipedal, you know, hominid like creature, whatever it is.
- [74:10]
Dan
And we know, I mean like we know that humans existed with a bunch of other hominids on this planet for a long time. So it wouldn't be like for us to discover a new species of. Even if they weren't aliens.
- [74:21]
Joe Rogan
Wouldn't be crazy if they were like way more advanced than us. But they got wiped out. That's, you know, there's versions of us that aren't as good as us that aren't here anymore. Right. So we have Homo sapiens Denisovans, they didn't discover until a decade or so ago. Right. So then there's a bunch of different versions of human beings that weren't as good as us. And we're the ones that maybe ones were better and maybe the ones that were better didn't make it because we almost didn't make it a ton of times.
- [74:51]
Dan
Yeah. And a lot of it doesn't. It's. We're not, it's. You could say, well, why did we, Some people would think at that point, why did we make it? And the ones that were better? Not if that's the case. But we're not in direct competition with each other to survive necessarily. It's also with mother Nature and all these other things.
- [75:05]
Joe Rogan
Sure.
- [75:06]
Dan
So like, like you just. Wrong place, wrong time, species gets wiped out.
- [75:09]
Joe Rogan
Sorry, what is this? Jamie, I'm reading an article about the.
- [75:12]
Unknown
Mummies right now and this popped up.
- [75:14]
Joe Rogan
Metallic plates have been found throughout other areas of the mummy's bodies, from the interior covering some of the bones to external attachments on the skin, forming a bifunctional implant with no signs of rejection. These polymetal polymetallic plates have been analyzed using a light based measurement, revealing an alloy compound of copper, cadmium, osmium, aluminum, gold and silver. He added, notably, the silver has a purity of over 95%, which is rare in nature. Additionally, cadmium and osium osmium, relatively recent discoveries, are currently used in satellite communication and satellite structures. This is what they're telling us though. This is a Daily Mail article.
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Dan
Yeah, this is a Daily Mail article.
- [75:59]
Joe Rogan
It is a Daily Mail article.
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Unknown
I said one was pregnant. I think that's the one.
- [76:03]
Dan
Yeah.
- [76:03]
Joe Rogan
Yo, they still. That's kind of crazy. They don't have dicks. How's it pregnant, right? Shouldn't they be farming that off to a test tube? If they've gotten past intercourse, do it like octopi. The, the really weird ones were the, the X rays of the body in that position where you see all the skull and the way the skull is formed and the way the fingers are formed. It's very weird, weird, weird stuff.
- [76:30]
Unknown
3D reconstruction of one hand.
- [76:33]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Wow. Super weird stuff.
- [76:37]
Dan
Yeah, it is pretty wild if it's.
- [76:39]
Joe Rogan
Real, but if it's just somebody's art project. You fuckers.
- [76:42]
Unknown
I read that. So that I read the art project was the little small ones.
- [76:46]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, the small ones supposedly have been debunked.
- [76:49]
Unknown
So did they have hundreds of them?
- [76:50]
Joe Rogan
Apparently. What?
- [76:52]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [76:52]
Joe Rogan
Okay, what do we have to give you, Trump? Get on it.
- [76:57]
Dan
Scrap that. Scrap that.
- [76:58]
Joe Rogan
Turns out they're aliens.
- [77:00]
Dan
We no longer want an expedition to Ethiopia. Scrap that one. What the bodies?
- [77:04]
Joe Rogan
Imagine. Well, we need a bunch of expeditions. We need answers, you know, we need someone who is like at a high position of the White House that's interested in this stuff.
- [77:14]
Dan
That would be very nice.
- [77:16]
Joe Rogan
Like find one of them things, bring it to America and let's do a live stream of scientists actually analyzing it so it doesn't get gatekeeped at all. Yeah, we just get a chance to see like show the whole world what this is.
- [77:30]
Dan
They did that with a couple of the bundles. They tried to with a couple of the bundles. In the 50s there was an anthropologist that opened up two of them on video. And when I was researching for my video, I found that those movie reels are lost. Nobody knows where they went. They just disappeared. Big fucking shock. There's a newspaper article that recorded what she found in one of them, that newspaper article is not in their archives. It just stinks. It just stinks. It's like, I am not keeping well. Yeah. I'm not a conspiratorial type of person, but I'm not stupid either. Right. Pretty clear fucking conspiracy there.
- [78:07]
Joe Rogan
So what was supposedly the synopsis of her article?
- [78:12]
Dan
She was just talking about what she found inside of one of those mummy bundles with the elongated skulls and the artifacts that would be in there, the grave goods and stuff.
- [78:20]
Joe Rogan
The thing about the elongated skulls is some of them have a larger capacity, which is interesting. So it's not simply because we know that there's a technique that they do with young children where they put boards on the side of their heads and they flatten their head. You can actually form someone's head. But that's not necessarily what was being done here.
- [78:37]
Dan
No. There's the kind of nuanced argument, is that some of them were legitimate aliens or other species or whatever, and then some of them were people trying to emulate that with their own kids.
- [78:51]
Joe Rogan
Right. Like that it was a status symbol to have that elongated head. So people tried to fake it and pretend maybe it was just a genetic anomaly. Right. Like some sort of bizarre. Like, we talked about this. The people that are born. There's a certain tribe in Africa where a bunch of them have only two toes and they look like ostrich feet. Have you seen that?
- [79:11]
Dan
No, I haven't. That's crazy.
- [79:13]
Joe Rogan
Jimmy could find it. It's real weird. So it's some genetic anomaly that, like a lot of people have there. It's not really. It's not rare. There's a photo of a bunch of them sitting there with their feet up. That's what their toes look like. Yeah. And so there's quite a few people that have this genetic anomaly with their toes.
- [79:33]
Dan
Wow.
- [79:34]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, Very strange. So they have two enormous toes. So their feet are completely different than ours.
- [79:42]
Dan
Wow.
- [79:42]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. And there's quite a few people that have that. Now, you could imagine that a similar genetic anomaly could take place with the shape of the skull.
- [79:51]
Dan
Absolutely.
- [79:51]
Joe Rogan
If you could develop people that were a bunch of them. Or it's a gene that can spread, like you can pass it on, that you could have something where people had a larger head and a weird shaped head.
- [80:04]
Dan
Yeah. That would. If it offered any sort of advantage at all, you know, and you might think, well, how could that be? It's, you know, obviously a problem. But if it offered any sort of advantage, like the, you know, the Galapagos Islands, right? The iguanas there that go down and swim in the water and eat moss off the bottom, y'all got webbed feet. So it stands to reason to me that whatever happened that isolated Galapagos and made it a shitty place to try to find food for an iguana, you got one of these iguanas, it's a little mutant McNugget running around and he's got webbed toes already and he's like, fuck man, nobody wants to hang out with me because I look all weird. But then this happens and all of a sudden he's the only guy that can consistently get food. It's, you know, that kind of disadvantage turns advantage overnight kind of thing.
- [80:52]
Joe Rogan
Well, those advent, those weird adaptations take place quicker than they thought. And a good example that is the Congo. You know, there's parts of the Congo where there was an amazing BBC documentary about. It was a multiple disc, cd, DVD rather thing that I had back in the day. And this Congo documentary, one of the things they found was there's a lot of plains animals that got trapped in the Congo. So the Congo, because of the change of the climate there, at one point in time it was plains, so it was grassland. So you have all these antelope and all these different animals that normally exist in these open wide areas, but they're jammed into a rainforest now and they've adapted. And one of the animals that adapted is the duiker. So the duiker is a small antelope that can swim underwater for as much as a hundred yards and eats fish.
- [81:44]
Dan
Jesus.
- [81:45]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [81:46]
Dan
Wow.
- [81:46]
Joe Rogan
Okay, so this thing that lived out in the plains, like all the other little animals now can fucking swim and dives underwater. And can swim a hundred yards underwater.
- [81:57]
Dan
It's insane.
- [81:58]
Joe Rogan
And eats fish.
- [81:59]
Dan
That's insane.
- [81:59]
Joe Rogan
So this weird adaptation that takes place just in the Congo.
- [82:03]
Dan
Yeah.
- [82:04]
Joe Rogan
Which is. This is like incredibly vital environment that so much diversity of life exists in.
- [82:11]
Dan
That's weird. It's weird, but it's crazy like how ubiquitous those things can be. Like, you know, Madagascar and the lemurs. Lemurs. Lemurs basically like have all these evolutionary niches in Madagascar filled in. Like instead of a woodpecker, there's a lemur with a big ass finger and he tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. Yeah, if we can look that guy up if you want. Jamie. Madagascar's got. Almost every major evolutionary niche is filled by a lemur.
- [82:42]
Joe Rogan
Really?
- [82:43]
Dan
Yeah, it's a fucking lemur island, man. That's his cup. It's like the different kind of lemurs on Madagascar are all over the place. It's not every single one, but like woodpeckers. There's no woodpeckers there. The insect eating birds are not birds, they're lemurs. Whoa. The whole, the whole island is.
- [83:01]
Joe Rogan
That's it.
- [83:02]
Dan
Look at that.
- [83:02]
Joe Rogan
Look at those claws. How weird. That looks fake.
- [83:09]
Dan
The. Aye aye.
- [83:10]
Joe Rogan
The finger of death. The world's most demonic lemur is also its most endangered. Meet the creature with the ugliest finger on the planet. What does it look like? The full version of it. Whoa, look at his eyes. What a cool looking creature. Wow, that's a lemur.
- [83:28]
Dan
Yeah.
- [83:29]
Joe Rogan
That looks like something from like Lord of the Rings. That does not even look like a real creature.
- [83:33]
Dan
Yeah, it's. Evolution's crazy that way. And it's like, whoa, look at that little fucker. You get a great example of like, like you probably heard them say that like the dinosaurs get wiped out and allowed mammals the opportunity to take over the planet. Like otherwise mammals would have just been a bunch of shrews running around in the grass. And that's that exact kind of thing. It's like that lemur ain't gonna out compete woodpeckers, but he don't have to. So he gets to take off and.
- [84:05]
Joe Rogan
Do his thing because there are no woodpeckers there.
- [84:07]
Dan
Yeah.
- [84:07]
Joe Rogan
So something fills that niche.
- [84:09]
Dan
Exactly. So it's that same kind of thing we get to see it in. You know you were talking about the, what's the name of that deer thing you were talking about?
- [84:17]
Joe Rogan
The diker duiker. It's an antelope.
- [84:19]
Dan
Antelope, yes. That to become a underwater meat eater that's quite a jump. But there's probably not many alligators down there doing that exact same job. I mean not many things taking its, its spot. Otherwise it wouldn't have been able to find a niche there. There wouldn't have been no food.
- [84:35]
Joe Rogan
Right? Yeah, there's just, it's really interesting. There's herds of antelope running through dense rainforest, running through puddles in the water and everything. Really crazy because they just sort of got trapped there.
- [84:48]
Dan
Wow, that's so insane. It's like the mountains that they have in South America where they've got basically it's like the same as an island where it's like nothing can go down from a certain elevation. So there's a bunch of things that live up in the mountains that are basically evolutionary isolated and have been for 10,000, 20,000 years. And so you got a bunch of goofy species that are only next mountain over. They're a little bit different. Next mountain over there, a little bit different. Same as the finches that Darwin was chasing around in the early days. Yeah, pretty interesting stuff. I can nerd out on all that for a long time. I love it.
- [85:25]
Joe Rogan
But just the sheer variety, the sheer variety of life forms that we know are real. And what's interesting is things that, that are cryptic or, you know, cryptozoology type deals. People are so dismissive of them, but I'm like, by God, there's so much that's real. There's so much that's real. Like one of my favorites is the little hobbit man from the island Flores. Because that was dismissed forever. That was just nonsense until a couple decades ago. They're like, oh, hey, okay, we just found something that's like a little tiny person, little three foot person. That, that's not us. You know, it's. But it's bipedal and it seems to have worked with tools and hunted.
- [86:05]
Dan
It's, it's funny how skeptical they get with this stuff. It's, it's where it's not even skeptical. It's cynical because I mean, clearly we know that island dwarfism exists, which is where things get smaller or bigger on islands, depending. Right. You might have some big ass swans and some small elephants on an island.
- [86:22]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Lizards get bigger.
- [86:24]
Dan
Right, exactly. Smaller things tend to get bigger and bigger things tend to get smaller. So if we know that's a thing, then why is it a problem to assume that that would happen with, with humans or with hominids?
- [86:34]
Joe Rogan
Right. We know what happens with elephants.
- [86:35]
Dan
Yeah.
- [86:36]
Joe Rogan
Dwarf elephants on these islands.
- [86:37]
Dan
It's for, and that's the kind of thing that honestly is almost as. Sounds like religious thinking, not scientific thinking to me. It's like we're better and we, we're not. We're immune to all the same forces of nature. It's like a scientist would just, should just be like, okay, man, it could be.
- [86:54]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it's just ego.
- [86:55]
Dan
It's ego.
- [86:56]
Joe Rogan
Ego works with everything in the wrong direction and including science.
- [87:00]
Dan
And well, that's, to me, that's, that's kind of, it's kind of fucked because even though I know that those guys, like I was saying earlier, are socially awkward and probably emotionally stunted quite frequently can't even suss their own feelings, but at the same time it's like science is the whole expedition, the whole undertaking. The whole reason you do it is to see clearly and when trying to get rid of. Joe has an opinion, Jamie has an opinion, Dance has an opinion. They're all different. But if we all see the same thing, we can be pretty sure that this is real. But if I see it different than you, than Jamie. Well, now, yeah. And so when they inject their ego heavily into it, political quite frequently nowadays, it's not fucking science anymore, man. You are defiling the thing that you set out to do. You know you're doing it. So I get kind of.
- [87:53]
Joe Rogan
Let's just call it truth. Like, truth is the most valuable thing if you're speaking openly about something. If you're talking about something publicly, truth is the most important thing. As soon as you are willing to violate truth to preserve something else, like your status, your ego, your place in the hierarchy of information. Well, now I can't listen to you anymore because I know you're willing to lie.
- [88:15]
Dan
You're a grifter. Yeah.
- [88:16]
Joe Rogan
And obviously politics is the best example of that. I mean, especially today. I guess it's probably a good time to talk about this. There was a thing that came out recently. There was a book that was some book about the Kamala Harris campaign where they talked about her getting on this show, and they said a bunch of things that weren't true. They talked to. Supposedly Talked to like 150 different people about her. And you know, what happened with her coming on the show. I don't know if it's 150. A lot of people, they didn't talk to us, which is kind of crazy. They didn't even ask. But they said things that just weren't true. One of the things they said that weren't true was that we lied about the day that Trump was coming on. No, we just didn't tell you that Trump was coming on. He was already booked a long time ago. This is how it worked. Trump was really easy to book. Like super easy. We offered one day, he said yes, that was it. There was no. What are we going to talk about? How long is it going to be? Is it going to be edited? There was nothing. What's the waiver? Here, give me that waiver. Sign it. It was so easy. So he was already booked. They never committed to doing the show. So all this talk. There was another thing. They said that the reason why they did the Beyonce thing, the Beyonce event in Houston, was so that they could be in Texas to do my show. They never agreed to do the show. None of that's true. They never agreed.
- [89:38]
Dan
That's fucked.
- [89:39]
Joe Rogan
They also said that they sent someone down here to the studio to do a walkthrough of the set. That's not true. The Trump administration did. I mean, if they are trying to say that they, as in the entire federal government. Well, I don't think the Trump administration. Well, I guess the Secret Service is a part of the federal government. Maybe you can kind of get away with saying that because the Secret Service came down here for Trump and looked around that we sent someone down. But it was not. It was. The Trump administration sent him down. Cuz they're the only ones that had a date to do the show. These people didn't have a date to do. They never agreed to do the show. This is really important. Even after Trump went on, they offered for me to come to D.C. and do a show with Kamala, but even then it was the same deal. It was only like 45 minutes to an hour. And you know, it was not on my set. And I said that, look, he did it here, we should probably do it here. Like if it's possible to do it here. Obviously when he did it, it had an enormous result. I'm willing to do the same thing for her. I wanted to release both of them on the same day. This was my goal. I was even trying to figure out if there was a way that I could do it. And I even offered to do it late that night. So the night that Trump came on, I'm like, what if we do her, like when she's done in Texas, if she came here, but no one ever committed to doing it. This is really important because they keep pretending that I lied or I did this or I did that. No one, they never committed to doing it. We offered, we went through. I've got a whole, we have all the receipts, by the way. Of course, I have a whole list of conversations that took place. They never said she was gonna do it. So this whole idea that we fucked her over and then we fucked her over for Trump. Incorrect. Just not true.
- [91:25]
Dan
And, you know, but I think it's.
- [91:27]
Joe Rogan
Someone trying to cover their ass for the fact that she never did it. And if she did do it, it might have had a positive effect. Yeah, if her and I had a good time and we got along great and she won over, you know, the air quote, young male vote, things could have been different. So this guy's probably trying to cover his ass.
- [91:43]
Dan
That's what I'm thinking too, is because I. The reaction to her not coming was like, pretty big.
- [91:49]
Joe Rogan
But they didn't commit to doing it. This Is the thing while this guy's saying like that we. We were difficult to deal with. Not true. We were super easy. We made it real clear. But also, it's gotta be the actual real show. It shouldn't be some fake version of it where I'm sitting in a conference room. Oh, also, they wanted a stenographer in the room. They wanted staff in the room. They wanted something. Trump was just in here by himself? Yeah, just me, him, and Jamie. That's it. For three hours. Like, they wanted to do everything. They wanted it very controlled, and they were really concerned that it wasn't gonna be edited. So I don't think they ever really were sure they wanted to do it.
- [92:25]
Dan
Yeah.
- [92:25]
Joe Rogan
Then once Trump did it and it had this huge response, I think then it was like, what the fuck? What are we doing? He just did it. It's got 50 fucking million views. This is so stupid. Why didn't we do it? And so then there was. Even then, when they offered to do it in dc, my manager asked, is she committed to doing this when I. If I bring this to Joe? No, she hasn't committed to doing this. Have you brought this to her? Like, they wouldn't even say whether or not she had expressed willingness to do it or whether they were trying to convince her to do it. There was. We know for sure. There were some people that were supposedly on her staff that were against her doing it. They thought it was a bad. Because, you know, it's a bunch of wokesters. They're basically in a cult. You have a distribute. Look, if you're willing to go on Fox News, you talk to. What's that guy's name? Brett Breyer.
- [93:14]
Dan
Yeah.
- [93:15]
Joe Rogan
Where they cut that off after 20 minutes. When they did that, that's when I was like, look, it's got to be in the studio. It's got to be in the studio, and it's got to be real. It's got to be a real conversation. I had entertained a couple of times going to it, but I was like, 45 minutes is just not enough. You know, you and I have been talking an hour and a half already. Yeah, yeah. It's just like, it's not enough time. You need more time. You need more time to find out what makes someone tick.
- [93:38]
Dan
And that's probably what she was afraid of.
- [93:40]
Joe Rogan
Probably what they were afraid of. Maybe not her.
- [93:42]
Dan
Maybe not her.
- [93:43]
Joe Rogan
I think they should have. I think we would have had a good old time.
- [93:45]
Dan
No, you're a good guy.
- [93:47]
Joe Rogan
I think we would have had fun.
- [93:49]
Dan
I think it was a huge, huge mistake on our part. And let's be honest, like, it's the kind of thing that it's reminiscent of the. Forget the congressman that asked Mark Zuckerberg how, how Facebook makes money. It's just like they're so, just so detached from the modern world. It's like you, you could spend millions of dollars on all your ad campaign all across YouTube or you could just go sit in the room with Joe for three hours and I'll tell you which one's going to do better for you, lady. But she picked the ad campaigns on YouTube.
- [94:16]
Joe Rogan
The problem is that I think that the people that saw it as they thought they were going to win anyway, apparently, and the people that saw it as a negative thought. Like there's been a few blunders where things didn't go well, but I think a lot of those blunders are. I was listening to this woman on the Tucker Carlson show and she was talking about what Biden was like during the presidency. And one of the things that she said, I thought that was very interesting, was that, that there's many people that worked with Biden that said there were moments in his first couple of years where he was very lucid and that he would be actually running the meetings and he had talking points that were written down, but he was having these lucid conversations and then he would do these public things and he would have blunders. I think a lot of it is just the pressure of performing publicly under intense scrutiny. Like if you have to do a live set, like say if you have to do Saturday Night Live or something like that, and you're gonna do a monologue, the pressure of doing that monologue is so much different than the pressure of just going up at a local comedy club. It's insane. And I think that pressure, Joe Biden, as much as I'm sure he has a high self opinion, clearly when he is confronted by the reality that half the country hates him and thinks he's doing a terrible job and then he has to talk publicly live, then I think those cognitive problems were sort of elevated.
- [95:39]
Dan
That makes sense.
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Joe Rogan
I think that's the same with her. So I think that's the same with her. When she's on Fox with Brett Breyer. I think it's hostile environments, I think it's large crowds. I think it's a lot of things where you don't get to see the real person. So that was my goal. My goal was to try to meet the real person, just like I did with Trump. Just try to meet and talk with the real person. And my goal was what I really wanted to do. We talked about this quite a bit, me and my manager of doing it on the same day. And my manager, she agreed. She's like, this would be the perfect way to set it up. Like, we both agree. Put them both out at the same time. You know, go watch them all, see what you think. That would be the ultimate way to do it. But they didn't ever. They never agreed to do it. So all this shit that's in that book that they never talked to us, just not true. Maybe it's someone's trying to preserve their job. Maybe someone's trying to say, hey, it wasn't my fault, you know, they. They became difficult. No, we didn't become difficult. The other thing was, like, they wanted to do it that Saturday, the day after Trump. And I said, I'll do it, but it has to be at 8:30am the reason why was I had a podcast already scheduled that was a live UFC podcast. So we do this thing called Fight Companion. So there was this title fight that was happening in, I think, was it Saudi Arabia or was it Dubai or Abu Dhabi? Some. It was somewhere in the Middle East, I believe, if I remember correctly. See if you can find out what that was. Just so. Just we were clear. I have friends, I flew in three of my buddies from California, and we were all going to do this podcast together. Like, we had committed to doing this. Like, they were already in town. Like, I can't just say, no, guys, I can't do this awesome thing because I have to interview Kamala Harris. Seems like I should to some people, but that's because you're in the politics business. I'm an MMA commentator. This is part of my job. And I said I would do it. I said I'll do it, but it has to be like, 8:30 in the morning because I have to be done by the time the fight start. That's reasonable. They didn't do that either. So this idea that I sabotaged her, there's a bunch of people that say I fucked her over or whatever. That's not true. So you can think whatever you want, but it was Abu Dhabi. So that was Ilia Toporia versus Max Holloway. So for UFC fans, just so. Just so you know, for people listening that aren't UFC fans fans, that was a huge fight. That was a gigantic fight. Max Holloway just beat Justin Gaethje in, like, literally the knockout of all time. And Ilya Toporia is one of the absolute best fighters on planet Earth. If not number one, pound for pound, certainly number two. So. Or number three. So he's in, in the top five of the absolute best athletes in any weight class. So this was a clash of the titans. The greatest featherweight champion of all time versus the current featherweight champion. So I'm not gonna miss that.
- [98:23]
Dan
Yeah, I is me.
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Joe Rogan
I, I understand. I work around you. I said I would do it at night, I'll come back, I'll do it at midnight. I don't give a. I'll do it. So it wasn't me. Someone over and so just whoever's in charge of spreading that narrative. That's deceptive.
- [98:41]
Dan
Yeah. And she, she missed out, man. She could have sat in the same chair that Shane Gillis sat in. Right.
- [98:46]
Joe Rogan
Yes, he's seen that one.
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Dan
Explains the stain.
- [98:50]
Joe Rogan
Or it could have been a wreck, but it could have been a wreck with Trump too. You know, like, there was a moment where me and Trump were. I was saying, tell me how the 2020 election was stolen. Like, and I feel like if you're, for the last four years have been telling everybody that they robbed you, you should be able to tell people how you know they robbed you. And you should be able to say, articulate it.
- [99:11]
Dan
Yeah. Yes, clearly.
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Joe Rogan
You know, I don't, I don't. So I don't know what that's about. I don't know if he has other people that tell him that. And he's compartmentalized. Like, look, you, hey, Rudy Giuliani, you deal with that. I got other shit to deal with. I'm gonna deal with this. You tell me they robbed me, I'm gonna say they robbed me.
- [99:27]
Dan
That could be it.
- [99:28]
Joe Rogan
I don't know. I don't know. But. So that could have gone sideways. But it didn't.
- [99:32]
Dan
Yeah, it didn't. It goes back to that how you disagree with people thing.
- [99:36]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
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Dan
You don't have to be an asshole about it.
- [99:38]
Joe Rogan
Right. You should be able to communicate with people in a way that, that it's just about what you're talking about. It's not a, it's a shitty tactic to try to break a person down as a human being because you want to enforce your argument or say their argument sucks because they suck as a human being too. Like, come on, we're, we're big grown ups here. We can just talk about the actual ideas.
- [99:58]
Dan
I mean, we actually get to where we're trying to get to. Right. We're trying to figure out the other side of this. So. Seems kind of Cut and dry. But a lot of people miss that. The egos are. Ego's a powerful fucking thing, man.
- [100:08]
Joe Rogan
It really is. And I mean, I'm glad we took that little side trip because I had to explain that. But the thing is that little monster rears its ugly head in everything. It doesn't just rear its ugly head in politics, it rears its ugly head in archeology, in religion, in culture, in everything we do. It's a lot of it is. I have said this for so long, I don't want to ever say I was wrong. And I will somehow or another derail any arguments against me. I will call those people racist. I will call those people. I was watching one of your videos where there was this person who listened to what Flint Dibble said about Graham Hancock and Atlantis and connecting Atlantis to white supremacy and she made the most distorted statement. That's saying that people of color were not capable that. This is the argument of the people that support Atlantis. People of color were not capable of that sort of civilization, which literally no one has ever said because everybody, especially the people that believe that that area of sub Saharan Africa, the Reichardt.
- [101:21]
Dan
Reichat.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, Reichat. How do you say it?
- [101:23]
Dan
I think it's Reichat.
- [101:24]
Joe Rogan
Reichat structure. That that is Egypt or that is rather Atlantis, that is literally an African. So who the fuck do you think built it? If you're talking about the pyramids, no one is saying Europeans came to Africa and built appearances. The Africans built the pyramids. So none of this white supremacy thing makes any sense. Because all these people are saying was, I think that this city in Africa was Atlantis. I think, which if you're gonna find an ancient civilization that is super advanced, wouldn't you think maybe it would be in an area around where there's fucking for sure ancient advanced civilizations that made pyramids.
- [102:05]
Dan
Yeah, I mean it's kind of a no brainer. It's kind of a no brainer what they do. They. This is where Flint is especially insidious. You know, I got a lot. I got along well with Flint and a bunch of other archaeologists for a long time. But I made a video that went into the details of how Ignatius Donnelly was not the guy who, who founded modern day Atlantis hunting. And he did believe in some kind of Aryan first things and he believed that other races weren't capable of innovating. And he.
- [102:34]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, but that's just one douchebag.
- [102:36]
Dan
He was popular. But the thing is people that came before, they tried to make it out like they did and the Guys that came before him both believed the Maya were the founding. One of them believed the Maya fucking whooped the ass all the way over into India and shit. He believed that the Maya were the Egyptians. Egyptians.
- [102:53]
Joe Rogan
What?
- [102:53]
Dan
Yes. Augustus Le Plignon is the one that believed the Maya whooped ass all over the world. And the other one was with the Maya supposedly seafaring. No, this is, this is his.
- [103:05]
Joe Rogan
This is a wacky idea.
- [103:06]
Dan
Well, Charles A Teen Brazier de Bogbo, these are the two guys that they. They were the first ones to find like that chocmol statue with the weird and the heart and the plate. Oh yeah, it looks Egyptian. They were the ones that started seeing. They're the first ones to see these similarities between these things. And so they believe that, you know, ancient Egypt is this technologically superior place and here we've seen the same thing here with similar iconography. So I made a video explaining that this is the SAA that the letter that the Society for American Archaeology wrote to Netflix to call Graham Hancock a racist. Basically. Not call him a racist, you guys, is. It was wrong. There was erroneous. It contained false information. And I pointed that out and eventually Flint's addressed it and his argument was, well, it doesn't really matter. It's not a big deal. We use the word comet and Graham talks about a comet and this other guy didn't. And it doesn't really matter because so many white supremacists believe this shit anyway. And it was just like at that point I was kind of like, okay, this isn't science anymore. And then I watched him do that waffle and bullshit here where he did it with great. When you were pushing him on it and he's like, no, I didn't say that. Well yeah, I said that. Well, no, I didn't say it. I was just, alright, dude, I'm gonna drag you for this.
- [104:22]
Joe Rogan
There's too many people that are used to being in a position of authority where they're never questioned like that. When they can say that in front of a class or they can say that in front of colleagues and nobody pushes back. And then there's also this problem with leftist ideology where if someone. And if there is some sort of history at any point in time of white supremacy, like that Ignatius Donnelly guy, like, you have to connect even everything attached to the theories of this advanced city, this advanced lost civilization, you have to attach it to white supremacy or you are a racist, or you're enabling or you're dog whistling, which is my favorite dog whistling is my Insane.
- [105:06]
Dan
I hear racism got him do a lynching. It's just like.
- [105:11]
Joe Rogan
It's so dumb because listen, if you have a place like Egypt that's way crazier than Atlantis, you already have a place that's fucking insane. Yes, that's way crazier because whatever Atlantis had, it didn't survive whatever that. If that Reichardt structure, if that's really where it is and it was impacted by the Great Flood. Flood by the end of the Younger Dryas. The impact theory, the. The water from all the polar caps rushes through and destroys everything. Giant tsunamis everywhere because the global cataclysm. Okay, it's. Well, it wasn't as good because if that's. The pyramids are still standing so that all that shit happened at the same time. The pyramids too.
- [105:54]
Dan
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
So that what you're saying, if you really believe all that is that the pyramids were way more advanced than Atlantis and believing in Atlantis is crazy.
- [106:03]
Dan
Yeah, help me out.
- [106:06]
Joe Rogan
And it's white supremacy. Even though it's in the same part of the world.
- [106:09]
Dan
It's. Help me out. Yeah. It's always, always circle. Basically, no matter what, they're always going to find a way to not just dismiss. Dismiss it. They're gonna poo poo it. They're gonna. That's. That's not enough. That's not an underwater mom. That doesn't look like a tool to me. Yeah, it's just this, this poo poo attitude that really, it does them a huge disservice because ultimately the most interested amateurs on the planet would be us pyramidiots, guys that are into that kind of goofy. We're the most interested. Just like Carl Sagan knew his audience. The most interested people in space were the UFO crowd. The most interested people in archaeology are not archaeology students. Students. That's their nine to five. I'm the one that's reading the shit at 2:00 in the morning with the beer in my hand. I love this shit, but I don't want it. You're going to bore me if you talk about stratigraphy. We're going to want a story. We're going to want.
- [107:04]
Joe Rogan
You're going to want something excites me. A mystery to dig into it.
- [107:08]
Dan
So when they literally deliberately piss on the mystery, it's just like, oh, there's nothing to see here. Nothing to see here. Nothing to see here. Nothing. Let me tell you about stratigraphy. Nothing to see here. That's why I talk about Carl Sagan all the time. He Might have laughed. Laughed in their face. You went, chuck. But he never told me. Nothing to see here.
- [107:23]
Joe Rogan
Well, you know why? Carl Sagan smoked a lot of weed.
- [107:25]
Dan
He did.
- [107:26]
Joe Rogan
He smoked a lot of weed. That's very uncomfortable for a lot of people that don't like weed. Oh, makes you lazy. Nope. You were already lazy.
- [107:32]
Dan
Yeah, we just got there.
- [107:34]
Joe Rogan
While you were lazy. There's nothing to do with weed. Stop it. You know, it's true.
- [107:39]
Dan
I get what you say. It. It's a lot of people like to blame things for blame. Say that drugs are all just bad. But I forget the dude's name that, like, was the guy that discerned the DNA, like the human DNA. Francis Crick. Yeah.
- [107:51]
Joe Rogan
And Carrie Mollis did it.
- [107:53]
Dan
Well, in lsd.
- [107:54]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [107:54]
Dan
Like crack the code on LSD or what? I mean, that shit's, you know, it's. It's part of our brains, man. It's there. And as a tribe, I think there's.
- [108:03]
Joe Rogan
Some controversy about the Francis Crick thing, though, right? Isn't there a controversy about whether Francis Crick was. I'm pretty sure Kerry Mullis was open when he was talking about the PCR method that he devised that when he was on acid, which is also. Also he was a huge critic of using that stuff for detecting diseases. He's like, this is so fucking stupid. Like, you don't know. Like, he was so angry. Have you ever seen that video where he's angry about Anthony Fauci saying he does not know what he's doing? He's not a scientist, he's a bureaucrat. See if you can find that video, because it's fascinating, because he's literally talking about. This is pre Covid, by the way.
- [108:38]
Dan
Okay, He's.
- [108:39]
Joe Rogan
Because he died, like, right. Or right before COVID happened. But he was talking about how PCR should never be used to detect diseases because you could find these tiny fragments of a disease, but it doesn't even mean that someone's infected. Especially when you're ramping it up to X amount of cycles. Like, they had so many cycles, you had so many false positives that maybe someone had encountered this thing at one point in time, but it was dormant in their body and dead. But yet you're still. You're looking at such minute particles that you can't use it to detect whether or not someone's sick. And that's what we're using during the pandemic, to detect whether or not. So you got so many false positives, you know, some estimates were higher than 50% false positives.
- [109:22]
Dan
That's insane.
- [109:23]
Joe Rogan
Insane. See, you find Kerry Mullis on Anthony Fauci. He's like, sitting at a desk at his kitchen table. Or he's sitting at his kitchen table with a guy he's talking to and he's just breaking down the difference between the actual science. Have you found it?
- [109:39]
Unknown
It's only a preview of the video.
- [109:41]
Joe Rogan
I know it's available. I've seen it.
- [109:43]
Unknown
I'm just. Look, I'm. You're timing, it's. I'm stuck in the.
- [109:46]
Joe Rogan
No, I understand.
- [109:47]
Unknown
Preview site and I've got to find another one.
- [109:49]
Dan
Just.
- [109:50]
Unknown
I'm finding.
- [109:51]
Joe Rogan
Okay, you'll find it, I'm sure.
- [109:53]
Unknown
So I gotta double check and make sure. See if this is not what you wanted.
- [109:56]
Joe Rogan
But that's it right there. Second one down.
- [109:58]
Unknown
Ten seconds.
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Joe Rogan
Oh, really?
- [110:00]
Unknown
This is Russia. I'm not going there.
- [110:02]
Joe Rogan
It says Russia Yandex Ru. You're gonna get a fucking virus instantaneously. There it is.
- [110:08]
Dan
Change your computer to Russian script first.
- [110:11]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I think that's it. So this is Kari Melis. Won a Nobel Prize for his PCR technique while employed by Emeryville biotech firm.
- [110:23]
E
Humanity that wants to go to all the details and stuff and listen, you know, these guys like Fauci get up there and start talking. You know, he doesn't know anything, really about anything. And. And I'd say that to his face, nothing. The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope, and if it's got a virus in there, you'll know it. He doesn't understand electron microscopy and he doesn't understand medicine. He should not be in a position like he's in. Most of those guys up there on the top are just total administrative people and they don't know anything about what's going on on the bottom, you know, those guys have got an agenda which is not what we would like them to have, being that we pay for them to take care of our health in some way. They've got a personal kind of agenda. They make up their own rules as they go, they change them when they want to. And they smugly, like Tony Fauci, does not mind going on television in front of the people that pay his salary and lie directly into the camera. You can't expect the sheep. What is it?
- [111:22]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, so this was Pre pandemic?
- [111:24]
Dan
Yeah, 96, it says. Yeah. It's brutal.
- [111:26]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. So he's. What he's talking about, I think back then was also the AIDS crisis, which. That's a Whole nother ball of wax. And if you want to get into that at another time, folks, just please go read Bobby Kennedy's book, the Real Anthony Fauci. It's incredible. But. So this is another thing. This is more gatekeeping. It's the same kind of thing. This may be in a different way. Maybe not to protect the ego, but to protect money.
- [111:51]
Dan
Yeah. One of the things with COVID that always, always tickles me on that is the way that they threw the. I feel to me, I feel like they threw the red herring of a mask at us. I feel like the. I feel like the mask was a bullfighter's cape. I feel like you've only got so many hours in a day. You got to pick your battles. And you've got. The mask is an easy symbol. Everybody can complain about it because it affects everybody. It's an easy touchstone. You. You can see it. You can. It's. It's. But while you. Everybody's fighting that. That really is effectively. You just have to wear a hat for a few months or a few years. They're closing down our stores and taking the kid that's. He's. I got two more years of wrestling. Yeah, you. You're never going to make state. You. You just lost. That's the people. That's the stuff that was getting lost. The masks. I'll wear masks over my face today if it'll bring back white elephant.
- [112:46]
Joe Rogan
There's also no logical explanation. And if the vaccine worked, give it to the people that are vulnerable. Let everybody else live their life. That makes the most sense. But they couldn't do that. They had to pretend that the other people were vulnerable. They had to pretend that children were dying of it. They talked about it all the time. No healthy children died of it. It's not true. They tried to pretend that it was really dangerous for young people. It wasn't, unless they were already really sick. What it exposed in this country is that there are a lot of people that are completely full of shit that are in charge of telling us what the truth is. And that also, we're really vulnerable in terms of our health. Our health is very vulnerable. Our economy is very vulnerable. We can't just shut the country down for a year and a half. It doesn't work like that. We're vulnerable. It destroyed a lot of businesses, destroyed people's lives, caused so many people to become drug addicts, so many people to commit suicide. There's a loss of life and a loss of hope, and who knows what it's Going to do to these young children that had to wear masks when they're in preschool. Who knows what the fuck that does to you? Learning how to talk with a mask on. You're not reading mouths and lips, and you're not getting a full facial feature to read off. Like children need for their development. We found out that there's a lot of people that just aren't telling you the fucking truth. And the crazy thing is, they were doing it in the age of the Internet because they had been used to doing it for so long. They. They didn't develop the thing that people have now. Like, now, like, especially, like, someone like you or I who does stuff on YouTube, you know that if you say something and it's not true, you got to go back and say, hey, this is what I thought.
- [114:13]
Dan
Thought.
- [114:13]
Joe Rogan
This is why I thought it. But now I know that this isn't true, because if you don't do that, no one's ever going to trust you again. Anthony Fauci, in the beginning of the pandemic, like, don't wear a mask. It doesn't do anything. It's just, if anything, it's gonna smuts with it. And then later, he's saying, wear a mask. I wear two. I wear two masks. Like, what the. We have video, man. This is. This is a different time. This is in 1986. You can't just go. Go and tell us some. And we don't know whether or not you said something completely contrary to that just a month ago.
- [114:44]
Dan
Yeah, I think that might be part of why Kamala was so worried about the unedited thing. You know, the. When Hillary fainted a few election cycles ago, that video would have never made the News in the 90s. They just got bought. Right?
- [114:57]
Joe Rogan
Right.
- [114:58]
Dan
But before they. Nobody knew it existed before it was posted. It was just like, the dude and bam. And now the Internet has it, and it's too fucking late. So. So I think the real thing that.
- [115:08]
Joe Rogan
Did her in was comey.
- [115:09]
Dan
Oh, yeah.
- [115:10]
Joe Rogan
I think the investigation into the emails, I think that, like, in the middle of the.
- [115:15]
Dan
That was brutal.
- [115:17]
Joe Rogan
That was crazy.
- [115:18]
Dan
What I'm getting at is that I think that that's especially for an older politician, somebody like Biden. How many decades of his life was he able to buy any video footage that was going to cause him any problems? He just fucking squash that. Two or three. And now it's like they did nothing. Dude, you slip and fall, you're going viral, buddy. Any damn thing you could do about it.
- [115:41]
Joe Rogan
Also, who's letting him walk up that stair without having a catcher behind him.
- [115:44]
Dan
Oh, come on.
- [115:45]
Joe Rogan
I would have some giant dudes, big old lineman. Because if he's going down the stairs and you got slippery shoes on, that's a precarious catch.
- [115:55]
Dan
Yeah.
- [115:56]
Joe Rogan
And you know, you got a 180 pound man who stumbles and he falls backwards like, yay, yo, this is, that's the President. Don't just let him walk up that thing on his own with slippery shoes on. After he fell the third time. Why did they let him keep doing that?
- [116:10]
Dan
I think maybe it was some of Gerald Ford's family was hoping he'd break the record. People don't know, giving away our age here, the old Gerald Ford stuff.
- [116:18]
Joe Rogan
Boy, that's old. Next you got to do a Nixon impression.
- [116:22]
Dan
Oh, God damn.
- [116:23]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I'm not a crook. Yeah, it's, it's all. The whole thing was very eye opening, I think. And I think that also led to Trump, you know, destroying in the election.
- [116:35]
Dan
That's, that's probably has a lot to do with it. I, I mentioned before, like they closed that white elephant store, but like they closed so many bars in the town. Like, I was thrilled that my, my favorite bar, Mootsy's is still around, but I, they had a closed sign on it when apparently like the plumbing above it leaked. And I thought they were gone too because it was closed down for them to fix that in the middle of COVID And it was just like, God damn it. Like, we lost so many things in that town that were just little mom and pop outfits and just comes in and gets replaced with like Target.
- [117:08]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [117:09]
Dan
And like you come to a city like this and you still got little shops that do well, little cafes and whatnot. But I live out in, and I live in a city, but around it's a bunch of farm country and there's like the place in Davenport that had these great milkshakes. You can't fucking go there no more. They're closed, they're gone. And it's a bunch of places like they've been around for generations and it.
- [117:30]
Joe Rogan
Didn'T have to happen that way. And if you want to be real cynical, the people that are the real progressive leftists, you should be cynical about that because it was the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the United States. The lower class, lower and middle class lost $3.9 billion or trillion. Was it trillion was a transfer. It might have been trillion. I think it was like $3.9 trillion over the course of the pandemic. And then that money was transferred to the. The wealthiest people, gained that money. How? What happened? Stocks, mutual funds. What magic are you doing? You basically stole money. Like something happened. And through your policies, you enabled the wealthiest people to get way wealthier and the poorer people to get way poorer. It's like 3.9 trillion. Is that correct? The transfer of wealth?
- [118:25]
Unknown
I'm looking at an article in 2022. I didn't see anything newer.
- [118:27]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it's a newer one. They were talking about it really recently. They were talking about it like mirrors. Exactly.
- [118:33]
Unknown
Trillion. Something in there. Two trillion. I see.
- [118:38]
Joe Rogan
What year is that point?
- [118:39]
Unknown
Two trillion.
- [118:40]
Joe Rogan
There you go. So either way, let's just. Let's be conservative and say it's 3 trillion. That's a crazy amount of money that gets transferred. And no one is, like, freaked out that this was by policies and this is by keeping everybody's business shut down. You could basically just take over because people still need to buy stuff. And then these big companies that people have stock in, they've. The stock goes way up, and then everybody gets wealthier. This is kind of nuts. Well, that the progressives aren't outraged that in this idea that it was protecting your health. But how. Are you sure? Did you look at the data? Because it doesn't seem like it was over several decades.
- [119:15]
Unknown
This says it was 50 trillion.
- [119:17]
Joe Rogan
Jesus. From.
- [119:18]
Unknown
During the pandemic, though.
- [119:20]
Joe Rogan
Jesus. 50 trillion from the bottom 90%. And that's made the US less secure. Yeah, for. For sure. It does those. But the problem is yachts aren't cheap, bro.
- [119:30]
Dan
No. No, they're not. I'm not looking at them yet, but maybe next week you want to put.
- [119:34]
Joe Rogan
In an order for one of them supersonic jets, you got to have some chatter. Might time to take over a small country or two.
- [119:39]
Dan
Yeah, or two.
- [119:40]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [119:42]
Dan
It's pretty wild. The. The things that were lost during COVID were, in my mind, one of the biggest things was the trust in the scientific community that they're being honest. And I. I, again, I like science. I like science a lot, and I don't. I think that just like most activists and most anything, like, when you look online and you see a transgender person is making a complete ass of themselves, that's, generally speaking, not indicative of the way transgender people are, even on the Internet, man. Otherwise, you wouldn't be seeing that person. Right, but with everything. With everything, with cops, with teachers, you.
- [120:20]
Joe Rogan
See some crazy teachers saying nutty things in front of the class. That's a small percentage. A tiny. Yeah, it's a Problem. It's a problem. But it's not all teachers.
- [120:27]
Dan
No, but when, but when it's science, the deal is that science fact checks itself. Like these guys all throw rocks at each other. They write a paper and other guys are trying to rip it apart and prove them wrong. And okay, so in that environment, it requires an acceptance for this kind of to fly for, for them to be able to repeatedly lie in peer reviewed journals requires their peers to not review the papers. That's really the only, only way that can happen. And that happens so much like it's.
- [121:00]
Joe Rogan
It'S still the medical first thing, the Clovis first thing, which was another thing that Flint pushed back against and, but obviously there's a lot of receipts like that guy almost lost his career, was shunned by science and he was right. And mainstream archaeologists tore that guy apart with personal attacks. They tried to destroy his reputation, destroy his career, because they didn't want to be proven wrong.
- [121:24]
Dan
They tried. Tom Dillahay was the guy who explain.
- [121:28]
Joe Rogan
The whole thing to people.
- [121:29]
Dan
So they don't know absolutely. Clovis first is the theory that the first people in, the first people in the Americas came over the Bering land Bridge like 14, 15,000 years ago. And they were used the Clovis Points. And this was the first American humans. Before that there was no people here. Now they started finding sites 30,000 years old, 25,000 years old, and they started fucking with that narrative. And archaeologists were for the most part pushing heavily against it. There were a few scientists that would make the finds and that they would fight for them. Now one, eventually it's been overturned. Now that Clovis first is not the narrative anymore. They're not really sure exactly who got here first. They know the Bering Land Bridge was part of it, but they also think there was some people from, probably from the ocean in South America. And who knows for sure, it's up in the air. They're not so certain anymore. But the Clovis first debate, it was so bad that the guy that won it, basically a site in Chile called Monte Verde, was the site that eventually he had a bunch of people there. They looked at the site and when they left, they were convinced that that was the end of the debate. For all intents and purposes, there's still a few holdouts.
- [122:38]
Joe Rogan
How old was Monteverde?
- [122:39]
Dan
Estimated to be 30,000 years. I think 27,000 right in there. The guy that discovered that site and was excavating it, Tom Dillehay, was living in Chile under the time that Pinochet was in charge of Chile. One of his colleagues. There's video of this. I use this clip frequently. One of his colleagues. Colleagues called the state newspaper and said Monte Verde is a CIA planted site. In order to get him down into Chile. His wife and kids are there. They threatened his life over. This is. This is the archaeologist version of swatting.
- [123:15]
Joe Rogan
Whoa.
- [123:15]
Dan
Yeah, I should. You know, the video's all over the place. I use this clip frequently. He, He. They basically threatened his life. Straight up. He got letters to people saying that he wasn't a real scientist, that he didn't.
- [123:28]
Joe Rogan
Is this Dillahay explaining this in a video?
- [123:29]
Dan
Yeah. Tom Dillah explaining this.
- [123:31]
Joe Rogan
If Jamie could find it, what would the video be?
- [123:34]
Dan
If you have to go on Google, Tom Dillahay interview will probably do it. D I L L E H A Y Sorry, I should have. I should have had that one pegged because.
- [123:45]
Joe Rogan
No worries.
- [123:46]
Dan
I use this clip. I probably use it 10 times. Not one of those. Maybe put our archaeology with it because he's talking to another archaeologist. Dang it.
- [124:07]
Joe Rogan
Challenging cloves first here. Will archaeologists threaten. Archaeologists threaten one of their own over Clovis first. Is that.
- [124:15]
Dan
Oh, it's. It's on a. There's me now. Yeah, that would actually have. Okay, play that though. Go ahead. Yeah, that has archaeologists. Archaeologist Tom Dillehay was instrumental in overturning Clovis first with his excavations at Monte Verde. But this caused him to have his life threatened by his own colleagues. His excavations were done in Chile during the reign of the ruthless dictator Pinochet. Clovis Verse was hotly debated amongst archaeologists at the time. And one of them decided to use Pinochet as a means to silence.
- [124:42]
Joe Rogan
Tom moved down to Chile during the dictatorship years of Pinochet. So I was opening up anthropology departments. So politically it was difficult at that time. And another colleague who sent a letter to the newspaper in Chile, one of.
- [124:58]
Dan
The major newspapers, saying that Monte Berry.
- [125:01]
Joe Rogan
Was creation of the CIA to implant me down there. And, you know, that puts you and your family in a dangerous situation in a country like that at that time.
- [125:10]
Dan
Seems to me like the archaeologist version of swatting someone.
- [125:13]
Joe Rogan
There's small minority of people who will do anything in their power to defend their paradigm. Yeah, that's it.
- [125:23]
Dan
That's fucking wild. Crazy.
- [125:25]
Joe Rogan
What if that guy got murdered? Would they be happy if they took him and publicly executed him because they said he was a CIA spy?
- [125:33]
Dan
I'd like to say no, but I.
- [125:34]
Joe Rogan
Mean, would they be happy? That's such a psychotic thing to do. To someone just because. But you know, these people like everything that they identify as is the expert in this particular field.
- [125:48]
Dan
And they'll try to pretend. Flint tried to pretend that that was no big deal. That was a one off. You know, scientific debates happen and a lot of guys will say oh yeah, that Clovis first it was bad. But we don't usually do that. Before Clovis first there was the Folsom first debate. The idea that the Folsom people were the first ones here. And if you found anything older than I think 7,000 years years or 3,000 years whatever it was, that anything older than a fulsome culture thing it was. And you couldn't have a feel it you could, it's on Wikipedia still. You could read about. There's a couple of guys that basically formed a guard and didn't let anything get past that point until eventually the Clovis first thing is it's not the first time. This is standard operating procedure created paradigm. Defend it with life and death. There's a guy named Max Planck, he was a Nobel prize winning physicist and he has Planck's principle. It's known as. And it is. Science does not progress one discovery at a time. It progresses one funeral at a time. And this is a Nobel prize winsing physicist physicist that said that, not Graham Hancock. So it's pretty hefty to think about that. That's just people are people, man. Yeah, put us on the moon, you're going to have people on the moon. Same problem.
- [127:02]
Joe Rogan
Same fucking problem. Problems people on Mars. Someone's going to make a sex cult on Mars. First people will be like, look, I'm the king of Mars, I'm running it now. It's just humans and unfortunately even humans that are attached to what we think of as these egoless pursuits. Like science. Yeah, that's the ego up even science.
- [127:25]
Dan
But that's where, that's where it does frustrate me. Because if you take that job job it's like okay, anytime if me and you get in a fight, it's gonna be, you know, it's aggressive and you like, you get worked up and you get emotional. But if you become a cop, I expect you to fucking know that and roll that shit back. Right? And it's the same thing with the scientist. I expect you to recognize that and roll that shit back.
- [127:49]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, roll that shit back. That's your job. That job is to tell us what the truth is. And if you lie, it doesn't mean that all that truth that you told in the Past is now accurate. It just means you suck. That's all it means. So if you're a really good scientist, you say, this is what we thought. This is what we know now. And this is really amazing. And so I was wrong. All these books that I wrote, stop buying them, folks. I'm gonna have to write a new book. They don't ever want to say that. They never want to think that those lectures that they taught, that those were inaccurate and that their whole life, they would be a mockery. They really would. Because those scientists are fucking vicious. They're so vicious after each other. They attack each other because they all want to be the fucking smartest guy in the room. And when anybody. Oh, Mike. Mike's a fucking moron. Mike thinks that you heard him talk about Fauci the way Kerry Mulles talked about it. That's how they talk about each other.
- [128:40]
Dan
That's exactly.
- [128:40]
Joe Rogan
He doesn't know anything.
- [128:41]
Dan
I'd say it right to his face.
- [128:44]
Joe Rogan
It's just natural human aggression that's transferred into this field that we think of as purely academic.
- [128:50]
Dan
And quite frequently, these people are, like I said earlier, a little emotionally off, a little socially weird and bullied.
- [128:56]
Joe Rogan
Bullied their whole life. Now all of a sudden they get to be the bully, which is one of the things that does happen. It's the revenge of the nerds.
- [129:02]
Dan
It really is. You're right.
- [129:04]
Joe Rogan
That's what revenge of the nerds is.
- [129:05]
Dan
It is.
- [129:06]
Joe Rogan
It's like finally we get our turn to be mean. Didn't we not learn anything? This is how wars get started, people. This is how people wind up killing people. Because you. Other. The other.
- [129:16]
Dan
By the way, when I drew the parallel about us fighting. I don't want a picture of me next to Shane Gillis. Thank you very much. I'm good. Don't need that.
- [129:25]
Joe Rogan
The whole idea of the truth is what we all should be pursuing. And it's just really unfortunate that people are attached to these things that they've said for so long, so much that they're willing to go out of their way to prove someone inaccurate when they are accurate. And the Clovis first thing is one of the better examples of that. And now that there's irrefutable evidence, like the footprints that they found in New Mexico that have seeds in them that are 22 plus thousand years old. Yeah, well, okay. It's out the window now. We don't. You don't know. How about now? We don't know. We don't know how people got here. We don't know how long they've been here.
- [130:03]
Dan
Quit trying to find a clear answer and, like, keep investigating.
- [130:07]
Joe Rogan
Right. Especially when we know South America had life, had all these humans living in South America. Like, why wouldn't they move up to North America? Like, why would that be weird? Like, what's the oldest known people in South America? What's the oldest?
- [130:22]
Dan
I'm not, to be honest with you, I'm not sure.
- [130:23]
Joe Rogan
The whole Amazon thing's got to throw that. A big old monkey wrench into that.
- [130:27]
Dan
Well, they recently, you know who Thor Hair at all was? The guy that did, like, the Kon Tiki voyage to prove that you could cross the ocean in a raft and all that. Okay.
- [130:35]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [130:35]
Dan
He's an archaeologist. And now he pointed out that on Easter island that the platform that the biggest, oldest whatever, moai or whatever they're called, that platform, the polygonal masonry, strongly resembled what he saw in Peru to the point where he hypothesized that these were connected. And this was just mocked by archaeologists for the longest time. Now, not only do they have genetic evidence in the form of human DNA, with a solid genetic drift from South America heading out into Polynesia as well by Easter island has breadfruit, has ginger and a couple other sweet potato. It's got food from both Asia and South America and the oldest habited layers that they found. So, like, they're very. And that's scientifically, what is the oldest habited layers? It's like, I want to say like 1200 or 1800 years ago. It's not real, real old, but it's old enough that, like, the oldest place that they've excavated and found that the first people. It looks like the first people that showed up there came there from Asia and South America. Already they've been connected to both.
- [131:43]
Joe Rogan
What was the evidence of cocaine in mummies? Was that bullshit?
- [131:46]
Dan
I'm not sure about that. It's one of the things that every time I look into it, the data is kind of threadbare. And as a skeptical guy, and a guy who's had his share of time in bars and bathrooms, has much stronger feeling that there was some anthropologist in the 70s was just doing a bump. I'm sorry, that's way. Smoking a cigarette and doing a bump on the sarcophagus is way more likely than not just to me, but I. I could be wrong.
- [132:16]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. And if you're doing coke, you might want to put a little coke on the mummy. I'm doing a coke off this. Oh, yeah, and you're doing Archaeology and it's the 70s.
- [132:27]
Dan
Oh.
- [132:27]
Joe Rogan
And no one, no one is like looking over your shoulder.
- [132:29]
Dan
Yeah.
- [132:30]
Joe Rogan
You're a wild Indiana Jones type cokehead.
- [132:35]
Dan
There's already people with their a AI art workout trying to make for sure.
- [132:41]
Jamie Vernon
What was the evidence.
- [132:42]
Joe Rogan
See if you can find what the evidence for cocaine in Egyptian mummies was.
- [132:49]
Unknown
The Russian scientist that said he found some in 1992 90s.
- [132:53]
Joe Rogan
Look, I found coke. He's like, he's doing blood, he's doing blow, they bust him. I found cocaine.
- [133:01]
Dan
It was in the mummy. I don't know.
- [133:03]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, definitely not my cocaine.
- [133:07]
Unknown
Cocaine, hashish and nicotine in the hair of Henut.
- [133:13]
Joe Rogan
Well, cocaine, nicotine. Okay. German toxicologist Svetlana Balabanova discovered traces of cocaine, hashish and nicotine on Hanut toy. Hysterical. That Hanout Twys. How do you say his name?
- [133:30]
Dan
Hanout Tawi.
- [133:31]
Joe Rogan
Tawi's hair. As well as in the hair of several other mummies of the museum. Which is significant that the only source for cocaine and nicotine had at that time been considered to be the cocoa and tobacco plants native to the Americas and were not thought to have been present in Africa until after columbus voyage to the Americas. The result was interpreted by theorists and supporters of contacts between pre Columbian people and ancient Egyptians as a proof for their claims. The findings are controversial because while other researchers have also detected the presence of cocaine and nicotine in Egyptian mummies, two successive analysis of the other groups of Egyptian mummies and human remains failed to fully reproduce Balabanova's results. And some showing positive results only for nicotine. But even that is interesting. Right?
- [134:18]
Dan
Well, yeah. And then the next line actually basically says what I just did after these experiments. Even assuming that cocaine was actually found on the mummies, it is possible that this could be contamination.
- [134:27]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it says that. It says even assuming that cocaine which actually found the mummies could be contamination which occurred after the discovery of the mummies, the same argument could be applied to nicotine. But in addition, various plants other than tobacco are a source of nicotine. And two of these, Withinia somnifera and appium Gravio lens.
- [134:55]
Dan
Sorry.
- [134:56]
Joe Rogan
We're known to be used by the ancient Egyptians. Okay. So they did have some sort of nicotine plant.
- [135:02]
Unknown
That was 92 2007. Researchers in Peru may have also found some.
- [135:07]
Dan
Oh.
- [135:07]
Joe Rogan
In Incan mummies. But Incan mummies are. That's.
- [135:11]
Dan
That's there.
- [135:11]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, that's where cocaine is.
- [135:13]
Dan
If it was actual cocaine, that would be crazy. If there was like. If it was not just coca plant but actual like a little baggy for.
- [135:20]
Joe Rogan
The future, for your travels.
- [135:23]
Dan
Come aliens, please come back.
- [135:25]
Joe Rogan
A little vile. Little vile. They tucked away with him in his grave.
- [135:29]
Dan
We've done everything we could to get them aliens back. We're going to process some of that. Come on, boys.
- [135:34]
Joe Rogan
It would be fascinating if we actually could prove that somehow another people from South America had made their way to Egypt and back and forth. And another interesting argument for that was always the Olmec. Like what? They look Polynesian or African. They don't necessarily look like they're from South America.
- [135:52]
Dan
Yeah, and there's. There's a lot of the. The arguments that were made by those guys I brought up earlier that were back in the 1860s. They were. One of them was big into linguists and linguistics and he made all these language models and stuff as to why that Maya was the first or proto language that was. All these other ones were built on. The other dude was really into iconography. I'm sure you've seen some of the symbols that like, you see around the world. Like the. That girl that's sitting on the lions and the master of beast symbols. Yeah, yeah. Things like that. That, you know, it's. It's not.
- [136:27]
Joe Rogan
These are me to pull that up.
- [136:29]
Dan
Well, sorry. Yeah, look up master of beasts. Like, I guess. Sorry.
- [136:35]
Joe Rogan
You're gonna find some cartoon stumbled across.
- [136:37]
Unknown
Something that says that. I did more testing that says that there might have been cocaine and up to eight bodies.
- [136:44]
Joe Rogan
Whoa.
- [136:44]
Unknown
They did multiple testing.
- [136:46]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. If you're living in Egypt, you're gonna get some coke. If you've got that kind of cheddar, you know what I mean? If you got like bold headdresses and what's the ultimate thing to have coke, you know, clearly.
- [136:55]
Dan
Clearly you're trying to get more women's, right?
- [136:57]
Joe Rogan
You got some guy who's coming over from South America, he's bringing coke.
- [137:01]
Unknown
In the wake of controversy, they use radio immunosi gas chromatography, a master spectrometer tree. And all of those got the same results. All bone, soft tissue and hair contain traces of the drug, ruling out possibility of external.
- [137:16]
Joe Rogan
Oh, okay, so they did have cocaine.
- [137:18]
Dan
Okay, there we go.
- [137:19]
Joe Rogan
Well, there you go. Now you got some weird.
- [137:22]
Dan
I gotta look into this.
- [137:23]
Joe Rogan
Let's just slam the book and say it's accurate. Jamie. Yeah, yeah.
- [137:29]
Dan
Master of beast. If you look up like. Like ancient symbol or hope, hopefully that'll bring it up. I forget, is that he man, something like that. Master of universe. I have the power. God damn, we're getting Old today with the references.
- [137:45]
Joe Rogan
Sorry, yeah, we are Gerald Ford and he. Man, that's it. Yeah, that's it. So that exists all over the world?
- [137:52]
Dan
Yeah, that's that type of iconography of usually a woman, but sometimes a man all the way back into like Kara Hayek Turkey. Like one of those Gopekli Tepe type of sites has, has this symbol and that type of symbol, you look at.
- [138:10]
Joe Rogan
Look at that Master of Animals 1, the Wikipedia 1 in the middle. The, the gray one. Yeah, right there where your cursor just was. Jamie. No, the one where your cursor was. Sorry, above that. That's cool too. But above that, that one. What's that one from?
- [138:24]
Dan
From, I don't know.
- [138:26]
Joe Rogan
Wild.
- [138:27]
Dan
I know that is crazy, cuz it.
- [138:29]
Joe Rogan
Looks like it's got two monsters next to her. That image that we were just looking on.
- [138:37]
Dan
There we go. There it is.
- [138:38]
Joe Rogan
There it is, right there. Like, what the is that? What are those things next to her? They look like some kind of lion, lizard hybrid. But look, they have like lizard tongues.
- [138:49]
Dan
Snake. Yeah, that's tough to say. I mean, obviously a tail. And wings.
- [138:53]
Joe Rogan
They have wings. Like, what the fuck is that? And why does that exist all over the world?
- [138:59]
Dan
That's really where, like, it's an interesting thing that when you see that kind of iconography, it's not the argument of, well, a nail looks like a nail anywhere because you invented a nail that falls apart. Because this is just symbols. Right. This is just symbolism. So the. That implies some contact. Right. And it shows up way long ago.
- [139:21]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. And why, how is that getting all around the world?
- [139:25]
Dan
Clearly people are bringing it. Now, see, there's one place. Just because I don't necessarily ascribe to lost technology or ancient high technology, don't get me wrong, when it comes to like lost civilization, I'm very much of the opinion that there was a civilization from, from before 12,000 years ago that got wiped out by some sort of cataclysm. I don't think that it was. I don't think that they had like real high technology, but it wouldn't have taken much technology for them to appear better than their contemporaries.
- [139:57]
Joe Rogan
And we see evidence for that today too, which is a really good point. People say, how is it possible that the rest of the world could have been so far behind? Well, they were. Okay, first of all, with the Egyptians, they definitely were. Exactly, definitely, like proven. Everybody else is way far behind them. But even today, my friend Paul Rosalie, he lives in the Amazon, protects rainforests and hires these people that Used to be loggers to now protect the rainforest. And amazing guy, he just filmed the other day an uncontacted tribe just the other day. There's uncontacted tribes all throughout there. They're completely naked and they're living a subsistence lifestyle in the Amazon forest. Forest. Who knows what their fucking language is, who knows what their culture is about. But this is a completely uncontacted tribe that exists today along with us with AI on our smartphones. Yeah, same time period. Right. So the idea that this couldn't exist at other parts of the world in the past. No, it for sure could. By the way, it did in the 1800s when settlers were making their way across the United States.
- [141:01]
Dan
The sun never sets on the British Empire was because Europe was hop, skipping a jump ahead of the rest of the world when it came to sailing and conquering people. And that's. I mean, you could argue about whether that's good or bad or whatever, but it just existed.
- [141:17]
Joe Rogan
It existed.
- [141:18]
Dan
We're talking about the abilities. They were better at it.
- [141:22]
Joe Rogan
And in the United States, it's the best example. And what was going on when settlers came from Europe and making their way across the country, they were encountering Stone Age trucks. Yeah, effectively, yes, 100% Stone Age. They were using stone tools, they were using flint arrowheads.
- [141:37]
Dan
There was a couple of people that had copper, but they weren't being. They weren't making weapons, by and large, from it.
- [141:42]
Joe Rogan
Right. They were making like jewelry and stuff. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. It's. It's pretty crazy, but it's just a natural function of how human beings adapt to their environment. And it seems that the Nile Valley in Egypt was an abundant, rich environment that had so much resources, it allowed those people to stay there and thrived for thousands of years.
- [142:02]
Dan
And if you think of the area being a green Sahara and then it slowly gets smaller, that Nile Delta would explain that concentration of people and ideas and stuff because you've got what once spread out across a large area being all shoved together, making almost a proto city type of thing or whatever. Yeah. I'm of the opinion that whatever the lost civilization was, I'm of the opinion that they were really good at seafaring, which made that they were really good at astronomers, me. And I myself, I think that like the handbag symbol, I think that that's a symbol of their ability to. I think like that it is a symbol for a day like we were talking about before on that pillar, Gobekli Tepe, that there's three of Those handbags. And he says each one is. It's actually a sunrise. It's a.
- [142:48]
Joe Rogan
Why. Why is the handbag a sunrise?
- [142:50]
Dan
It's the ground, and it's a sun. It's not an actual handbag. It's a. It says ground. And so could you look up? Gobekli Tepe, pillar 43. Sorry, Jamie. Thank you. In that case, it looks less like a handbag because there's nobody holding it. But. And in this case, Dr. Martin Sweatman's done the work and looks like it's three different days. He has it symbolized as. So going with that. You see that's three handbags there, each one with an animal next to it. He believes that that's denoting the.
- [143:26]
Joe Rogan
So not a handbag, but the arc of the sun over the Earth.
- [143:29]
Dan
Yes. So when somebody's holding one of those. I think that it's a symbol for a knowledge of astronomy that most people don't have the kind of knowledge.
- [143:38]
Joe Rogan
So the astronomers are the people holding the handbags. That's. What are the ones who explained to you the cycles of time.
- [143:44]
Dan
And they're the ones that were capable of seafaring. They were the ones that, when they would show up, they would have the. The same teamwork, the same ability to work with ropes and all that they could use to move megaliths. The same mathematics or an extension of it. It's the kind of thing that would be easier for them to move a big rock with a team of guys that have worked together, working on boats than it would be for them to move a big rock with a team of people that never done anything like that before. And that would also explain why a lot of times these are lined up with stars and shit like that, because astronomy would be very important to him. So that's. I. I do think that there was a lot of civilization, I mean, even simple like the bow and arrow. In all honesty, if you think about how complicated that would be to effectively create all the way. It's like, it's easy for a dude to figure out the tension. But building a flight and an arrow, that's like weighted. It's way different than a spear. It's being launched from the back, not the center. So you can't just transfer it over. This is requiring multiple people over multiple generations, in my opinion. I think that the fact that we see it all over the planet, it.
- [144:47]
Joe Rogan
Says something that probably people were traveling.
- [144:49]
Dan
Yeah.
- [144:50]
Joe Rogan
It's not something that people would figure out on their own everywhere.
- [144:53]
Dan
Now we have autolotls too. Right. Yeah. And people figured those ones out, so. But that seems like a more simple.
- [144:59]
Joe Rogan
That's a lot simpler.
- [145:00]
Dan
So why isn't that everywhere instead of the bow and arrow? Probably was. But the bow and arrow supplanted it. And it was only kept where you really needed the penetrating power of the atlatl.
- [145:08]
Joe Rogan
Right.
- [145:09]
Dan
So that's. Again, this is all just spitballing. But we don't know for sure. I could say that I do, but I don't.
- [145:15]
Joe Rogan
It's just so. It's so interesting, really. So. Because the concept of if these mummies that show cocaine really are proof that somehow or another someone came from the Americas with cocaine and made their way to Egypt, boy, that throws the whole thing. Throws a monkey wrench into the whole gears of our timeline of civilization.
- [145:34]
Dan
Oh, man.
- [145:35]
Joe Rogan
How are they doing that? How'd they get over there? It's so fucking far.
- [145:39]
Dan
Anunnaki taxicab service.
- [145:41]
Joe Rogan
What's your.
- [145:43]
Dan
Sorry.
- [145:44]
Unknown
Based off of the. What you're saying with like. It's a time measuring tool. I'm looking for more examples of it. This is a very interesting explanation. I don't know if it's accurate. Hopefully you can shed some light on it. Does this make any sense, what it's saying about water clock?
- [146:00]
Dan
Yeah.
- [146:00]
Unknown
So baboon. Because there's. Damn it. I can pull it up in a second.
- [146:05]
Joe Rogan
No, it's okay. Let's just read something.
- [146:07]
Unknown
Looks like a basket.
- [146:08]
Joe Rogan
What is this from? What is this where you get this.
- [146:10]
Unknown
Reddit post about Reddit? So I'm explaining what this is.
- [146:13]
Joe Rogan
The hieroglyph depicts one form of something called a water clock. Or say that word.
- [146:18]
Dan
Clip.
- [146:19]
Unknown
Cidra club.
- [146:20]
Joe Rogan
Cidra Hydrol Hydrologia, which was used to tell the time by the drainage of water through a small hole. The item associated with Thoth due to its use as a measuring tool. And thus miniature versions or models made of. How's that. What's that word? Finance. What's that word?
- [146:39]
Dan
I don't know. Violence. Sorry.
- [146:41]
Joe Rogan
Often had baboons incorporated into their structure. It said that horopolo in Hieroglyphica that it was traditional to allow water to drain out of a hole in the baboon's genitalia because the baboon apparently cries and urinates 12 times a day on the equinoxes. So you just like, force feed water into a baboon to figure out what time it is.
- [147:05]
Unknown
Synchronized clocks.
- [147:08]
Joe Rogan
He's just howling. Oh, it's time to go to eat. The monkey's howling. Regardless of the exact reason the hole was indeed sometimes placed at the end of the baboon's penis. Model non functional versions of the water clock often mimic the shape of the hieroglyph itself. Similar to the Ma'at figurine and may have been used in offering rituals. See if you can find one of those figurines. So that's a water clock built on the idea. And the water clock, the water comes out of the baboon's penis.
- [147:39]
Dan
And I know that the ancient Egyptians would measure time during the evening hours with water clocks like that. They would have people tasked with keeping time for the area.
- [147:52]
Joe Rogan
Oh, look at that. It's a baboon water clock. The water comes, it drips out of his dick. And when all the water. So it's like a, a sort of like an hourglass. Yeah, but it's the baboon's dick. That's crazy.
- [148:03]
Dan
That is. That's impressive.
- [148:05]
Joe Rogan
I found out something new today.
- [148:06]
Dan
Yeah, me too.
- [148:07]
Joe Rogan
That makes it worth it.
- [148:08]
Unknown
Right below that pillar they're showing, I think someone else has explained to us that those are like, they think that's a time like calendar. Those are days or months or something like that.
- [148:16]
Joe Rogan
Yes.
- [148:16]
Unknown
All this is time.
- [148:17]
Dan
Yes, that's. Wow. So he. What Dr. Martin Sweatman thinks is those three handbags, there are three of the cardinal points, like two equinoxes and one solstice, I think. And then the condor down there holding the sun is what he believes. He believes that's Sagittarius and that it's basically denoting that the fourth cardinal point of the year and that all those other marks add up to the squares are a month, the V's are days. And at the end of, according to his interpretation, it's what he thinks of. It's a recording of the time that the asteroid hit the younger Dryas impact.
- [148:59]
Joe Rogan
Whoa.
- [149:00]
Dan
And he's wrote two scientific papers on it. He's come under a lot of fire for it. But shocker, the majority of the fire is really funny. It's like, okay, he's a chemical engineer. So he's a mathematician by trade. He's a number cruncher. And so the first, first thing everybody says, ah, Dave's not an archaeology. You got a fucking number cruncher in here. It's like the field of archaeoastronomy, as it's called, was first officially recognized because of the work of a guy named Alexander Tom. He's the one that was like plotting out a bunch of shit in England and whatnot. Right. And seeing that this lines up with that. It looks like the ancients would stand here to look there. He predicted that they would find a viewing platform at a certain site. He's like, they stood up on the side of that hill, I'll bet you'll find a platform. They found that platform. And now it was. He's starting to do some science here. He's making predictions, and they're coming true. This guy was an engineer, not a chemical engineer, He's a construction engineer. But he had fuck all to do with archeology. This is very common. If you look at the teams that make up archaeoastronomy expeditions, it's usually an astronomer, an archaeologist, and then somebody who's just a math whiz. He's really, really. He's way above the pay grade on either one of these guys when it comes to number crunch. And that's generally speaking, the teams that make these things up. So when they go beaten at this guy, right, that betrays. They don't even know what this field. And it's, of course, these are all scientists and historians, by and large, that are doing that. So it's really hilarious. It's like you guys are. You don't even look. You don't even open the goddamn book. One of them, famously or infamously to me, because I drag him for it. Frequently said, if it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, well, I hope you understand. And it's like, well, I understand between us talking, but I do not understand that for a second scientist. Fuck you on that. If your job is to test chemicals to figure out which one does what, you don't say, well, it kind of looks like this one, so I'll skip it. You fucking test each one. Same thing here. Hypothesis comes at you. You don't get to be like, well, it kind of resembles the one that that one kook came up with. We'll reject it. You test it, or you don't call it science, you call it guesswork.
- [151:09]
Joe Rogan
Well, it's also really interesting in regards to Gobekli Tepe, that they've essentially put a giant halt on the amount of excavations being done there. And they've even planted trees over the areas that have not been excavated yet.
- [151:22]
Dan
Yeah, they've done. Yeah. Some of the tree footage that I've seen is just abhorrent.
- [151:29]
Joe Rogan
And isn't that. Aren't the trees a protected species of tree?
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Dan
Yep.
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Joe Rogan
So you can't cut them down.
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Dan
Can't cut them down. And why would you do that?
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Joe Rogan
Well, why would you do that over one of the most important historical sites, sites in human history.
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Dan
Well, the guy that did it, like, he owns the site, right? And then they find it and now he's trying to sell it or not trying to sell. Excuse me. The government comes like 10 years later and tells them that they're going to buy it. And it's just like, if you're like, if the government's going to build a highway, it doesn't matter how much you paid for your home, doesn't matter what you got on your property. They're going to come and look at it and they have an equation form, and that's all that matters. If swimming pool's not on that form, fucking swimming pool does. Doesn't get paid for. Well, on this farmland, adding olive trees made that an orchard instead of basically arid farmland.
- [152:15]
Joe Rogan
Made it more valuable.
- [152:16]
Dan
Made it more valuable. But what's funny about this is, like, we talk about the arguments against this stuff and how stupid it is, okay? Jim points out that these trees are a problem. And since it's Jim, and Jim is fucking public enemy number one to archeologist. But I'm coming to get you, Jim. It's going to be my spot soon. But anyway, since Jim is fucking hated by these guys, it doesn't matter. There is tons of documentation on the problems with having tree roots above a site all the way from contamination for different microbes to. They use a certain species of snail in Europe to determine certain dates and tree roots that punch right through that shit introduce that snail to places it shouldn't be. Right. Tree roots will. If one of those enclosures at Gobekli Tepe is filled with water or had a well in it, all those roots are screaming down that thing and just blowing it to shit. It's gone. So there's a number of things archaeologists. Everything I just told you, that's shit. Archaeologists say. I learned all that from reading papers about the problem that tree roots can cause to archaeological sites. Because everybody knows they cause. At least all the construction guys know they cause problems with foundations, but they don't care. They'll argue all day, oh, those tree roots aren't so bad. That's a protective. It's not such a big as all because Jim mentioned it. Had Flint mentioned it first, they would be all up in arms about taking that, taking care of those trees. It's so clearly Red Rover, Red Rover. It's all about teams. It's just stupid at the point where it's reprehensible at times, to be honest with You.
- [153:48]
Joe Rogan
It's just shocking that steps haven't been taken to mitigate that when you consider that this is one of the most important archaeological sites ever. So it threw the monkey wrench into the whole idea that people were capable of building stuff like that only around 6,000 years ago.
- [154:07]
Dan
Yeah, it blasted that on its ear like you were saying earlier. I remember. Drives me nuts because I can't find the clip. But I remember seeing it years ago of Graham talking to somebody and the guy saying, show me the civilization.
- [154:24]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, that was with Zawi Hawass and there was another archaeologist, the guy with glasses. Yeah, that's openly dismissive in the most disgusting way, like, where's the evidence?
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Dan
Then they find it. But back in those days, the standard operating model for humans becoming from hunter gatherer or hunter gatherers to civilization was you had to start farming. And then you created a surplus of food. And once you had enough of a surplus of food for long enough, you started to have these ruling classes emerge. You get your astronomers and your priests and your shamans and all these guys don't want to work. And so pretty soon you get these cities going. And. But this can only happen. We have a huge surplus of food because that's obviously just wasted labor. Well, Gobekli Tepe really threw that on its ear because there ain't no goddamn farming. Right. Then there's the beginnings of it. There ain't no surplus of food there. There's. I mean, there's no surplus of human created food. You might be finding lots of animal bones and shit, but it wasn't like they grew a bunch of food. So it completely destroyed that entire narrative. And that's the part that. Because it's a Graham Hancock site, they're slow to really admit that, but go buy a book from the 90s and read about how. How humans progressed from. Buy an anthropology book and you'll see it very clear that. That they completely had to rewrite shit because of Gobekli Tepe.
- [155:45]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. And it's also. It's a weird one too, because they know it was intentionally covered up 11,000 years ago.
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Dan
That's not that. That one's wild.
- [155:53]
Joe Rogan
That's wild.
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Dan
That's one thing. It's been pushed back on a lot. But it does look like that's. There's papers published both ways, but it does look like. Last I saw, it does look like the. The consensus is it was buried.
- [156:05]
Joe Rogan
What's the push back?
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Dan
The sides of the hill would like collapse into the thing and so that they would just eventually Just kind of push some more of it in there and just leveled it out so they could use the area because it was a bunch of, of holes in the ground. You couldn't walk your donkeys over or anything. I know it's a little like a lot of work.
- [156:22]
Joe Rogan
There's a lot of areas around that you can walk your donkeys. Yeah, it's not like the whole area.
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Dan
Yeah, I, I agree. I, I, I'm, I, I think that Gobekli Tepe like any of those, I don't think I, I'm well aware. Just like the, because Jimmy's involved with it. Anything Graham Hancock touches those guys, they, they, they're, they're gonna poo, poo, they're just gonna dismiss it.
- [156:44]
Joe Rogan
Right.
- [156:45]
Dan
And it's, it's sad because like he is them hitting him with the racist thing in particular. That's good. You know, Graham, that, that, that hits him. He, that hurts him.
- [156:56]
Joe Rogan
He's very sensitive.
- [156:57]
Dan
He doesn't. And that, that kind of man. There are people in the, that are Atlantis hunters today. There's the guy, Robert Sair, I hate to say his name even, but I will because he needs to be put on blast a bit. This guy is, he's an Atlantis bro. He's, he's, he thinks that the DNA story that we've been told out of Africa is wrong. Okay, fine, whatever. Where the rubber hits the road is when he starts seeing, he'll show pictures of old school anthropological models of proto humans that are real dark skin and big hair coming out and looking half monkey, half man. And then he'll say, there's no way that this could come from the same stock. And then she'll like a little six year old Danish girl with perfect fucking big blue eyes. And this is this kind of constant, constant, constant digs at Africans not out of Africa, but at Africa. All these different species bred with different hominids. And these guys bred with the stupid ones and these other guys bred with smart ones and these guys bred with strong ones. And it's like, it's very, it's racist for lack of a better term. It might not even be what you would consider white supremacist. But it's definitely, when you're done with, if you were to take everything he said and accept it, you would walk away thinking that different groups of humans are clearly better than each other genetically, hands down. And you can judge it based on skin. So that is racist. Right?
- [158:24]
Joe Rogan
What does that have to Atlantis?
- [158:26]
Dan
Well, he believes that Atlantis was like the people that spread the Ideas around and stuff. Kind of the same stuff I was saying earlier about that Ignatius Donnelly guy. So he. So he is what you would think he's got 300,000 subscribers or so on YouTube. He's not a nobody. So you would think he's the guy that these guys would be poking at for being a fucking racist. But they don't. And there's a real big reason why they almost never do. There's like two people with any following at all that have letters next to their name. They're taking shots at this guy on YouTube. And the reason is it's. He's. He is what they actually claim Graham is. So it's. It's like if. If you have somebody that's complaining about a trans active, the one that's screaming, call me ma'am. That's what they're trying to say Graham is. But actually that's what Robert is. And then Graham's just would be standing there being like, hey, how's it going?
- [159:17]
Joe Rogan
So the problem is, if you pay attention to that guy and you see the real racist, then it doesn't work. When you call grammar racist.
- [159:22]
Dan
Yeah. You can't call him a racist anymore. Yeah. And so they also.
- [159:25]
Joe Rogan
They probably don't want to give him any attention.
- [159:27]
Dan
Well, they don't. They give him attention. They talk about it. They do. They. They just. Like I said, I didn't want to mention his name. And I know I'm going to get people yelling at me about saying that, but it's. The stuff that he puts out is very clearly, if you were to. Again, if you take it all on board, it would be very. You would be a racist. If you were to just accept it all, you'd be like, oh, well, that guy's black. He's just not as smart as me.
- [159:46]
Joe Rogan
Sorry.
- [159:46]
Dan
Fuck. There's a clip for you, Flint. Have fun with that.
- [159:49]
Joe Rogan
So the, the. One of the things that I saw on your channel in regards to Atlantis was this alloy that they found, these ancient targets. They found this.
- [160:02]
Dan
I'm having trouble.
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Joe Rogan
Something like that.
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Dan
Yeah. Something like.
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Joe Rogan
And it's a combination of zinc and what?
- [160:13]
Dan
Zinc and copper and silver. I think it was like zinc and mostly zinc and copper. Maybe it was a tiny bit of silver and it might have just been zinc and copper.
- [160:23]
Joe Rogan
And they, they have found shipwrecks that have this stuff in it.
- [160:26]
Dan
And it was written about before too, like. Like it wasn't just written about with Atlantis, like they'd written about it. It was metal that the Greeks used. It was basically from one. From one little mountain region.
- [160:39]
Joe Rogan
And I have one of your videos that I was watching yesterday. I could find it and sent it to Jamie. Did you find Jamie? That's it. That's it. That's the word.
- [160:45]
Dan
Yep.
- [160:46]
Joe Rogan
How do you say that word?
- [160:46]
Dan
Or a calium.
- [160:47]
Joe Rogan
Or a calium. Metalicum maybe.
- [160:49]
Dan
I don't know.
- [160:50]
Joe Rogan
Recovered from shipwreck off Sicily. Yep, that's it. So this was an. An early version of a metal that they had created.
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Dan
Yeah, well they think that it might be an alloy that was found but they. That it was like a naturally occurring copper that way they're not 100% I believe.
- [161:10]
Joe Rogan
But you can make it?
- [161:12]
Dan
We could, yes. As an alloy we could, yes. And what's interesting is it does talk about that in. And can you scroll up read that.
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Joe Rogan
It says today most scholars agree that or calium is a brass like alloy which was made in antiquity by cementation. The process was achieved with the reaction of zinc or charcoal and copper metal in a crucible analyzed by X ray has a fluorescence with X ray. Fluorescence.
- [161:42]
Dan
Fluorescence. Fluorescence.
- [161:44]
Joe Rogan
Fluorescence.
- [161:44]
Dan
Oh dur.
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Joe Rogan
By Dario Panetta of TQ Technologies for quality the 39 inch turned to be an alloy made with 75 to 80% copper, 15 20% zinc and small percentages of nickel, lead and iron. What would be the benefit of that alloy?
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Dan
It was considered like beautiful like gold but cheaper, easier to get and considered.
- [162:06]
Joe Rogan
Second only to gold in value. Was found and mined in many parts of legendary Atlantis in ancient times.
- [162:13]
Dan
Yeah, they said that the temple walls in Atlantis were supposed to be a red coat covered with that stuff. But that's where you know myself and I know this, I think that there's a really good chance that a lot of the evidence that we have a lot of the written records, the myths and stuff of Atlantis. I think a lot of that's going to have a cultural infusion so heavy into it that a lot of the details will get lost and you could almost just be like there was a civilization that was more advanced than the people that wrote about them. And that's almost all you could take away sometimes times like, like the Greeks, Atlantis happened to be a democratic society. Well no, the Greeks, they valued that democracy. It was something they were real proud of. So of course this great place was democratic. And of course they had the same that rich ass medal all the fucking. They covered their temples and that shit bro. It's. To me it seemed. You know what I mean? It's just like now a lot of people say that the whole thing, you know that Plato just used Atlantis as an allegory or a myth.
- [163:12]
Joe Rogan
What is this, Jamie? Brass. I'll see. Chemical analysis of the ingots found in 2015 shipwreck. High quality brass. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc. While the ancient Greeks did not know metallic zinc, they knew zinc coating ores. And the description that orichalium has similar color and shine as gold fits well with the properties of brass. While brass is not exactly a precious metal, it does not corrode and is widely used on jewelry, marine instruments and medical instruments. Goldsmiths and jewelers describe brass as mahogany of metals. Wasn't that that. That device. I don't remember how to say the word.
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Dan
Antikythera.
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Joe Rogan
Antikytherum. Yeah. Wasn't that made out of brass as well?
- [163:54]
Dan
Part of it was brass, yes.
- [163:55]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
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Dan
That's pretty crazy. That thing's insane. That thing is insane. It shows some serious thinking going on. Serious point canning. And as I said numerous times, I think that if it didn't look so clunky when they found it, I don't think that we'd have it. I think it ended up on some rich guy's shelf because it's way too cool. But they looked at it just like, yeah, there's like a massive metal with like some gear frozen to it, or, I don't know, it's all corroded and then. Then they bring it up and hand it off and he's like, oh, me, look what we got here. Because, Yeah, I mean, that's. You know, that looks kind of cool, but it doesn't look nearly as.
- [164:29]
Joe Rogan
It just looks like a wheel.
- [164:30]
Dan
And it was found next to a bunch of statues, right?
- [164:32]
Jamie Vernon
Mm.
- [164:32]
Dan
So they had stuff of real value as far as they were concerned.
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Joe Rogan
Well, what's really Fascinating is the 3D analysis of what it was and how it worked. See if you can find that. When they show like a. That's it right there. This is the depiction of what it looked like when it was actually functional.
- [164:50]
Dan
Yeah. It's insane.
- [164:51]
Joe Rogan
It's like, what the is that thing? And this was some sort of super sophisticated calendar, right?
- [164:59]
Dan
Yeah. Basically it's a. They know that thing at school where you would.
- [165:03]
Unknown
I thought it was how they traveled.
- [165:04]
Dan
No, this is weather patterns and stuff.
- [165:08]
Unknown
Star phases and weather patterns.
- [165:10]
Joe Rogan
Right.
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Dan
It's. You know, those things that you in a. In high school or college where you turn a crank and the sun and all the planets go around it. Right.
- [165:18]
Joe Rogan
Corresponding weather predictions.
- [165:20]
Dan
That's what star phases.
- [165:21]
Joe Rogan
You can correspond weather with Star phases exist, I guess, if you're doing a calendar. Right. So if you're looking at when. When is it going to be winter?
- [165:30]
Dan
Yeah, exactly.
- [165:31]
Joe Rogan
How cool.
- [165:33]
Dan
Yeah, it's pretty impressive.
- [165:34]
Joe Rogan
That's like way earlier than anybody thought. Anybody had a mechanical clock.
- [165:39]
Dan
Well, yeah, there's stuff I haven't researched for a long time, but I remember.
- [165:44]
Joe Rogan
That'S what it looks like. So when it's separated.
- [165:45]
Dan
Yeah.
- [165:46]
Unknown
This is someone making a planetary thing.
- [165:48]
Dan
Whoa. Yeah, like I was saying, it's just. It's effectively. That's the same kind of thing, basically.
- [165:54]
Joe Rogan
So that's what it's based on, all those little.
- [165:56]
Dan
Well, no, it's. It's this. Those are based on it. Or the anti cancer mechanism was way before that. Right. Like, yeah.
- [166:04]
Joe Rogan
So what year was this supposedly?
- [166:06]
Dan
I want to say like 1500 BC or something is what it's. But I. I might be. I might be.
- [166:11]
Joe Rogan
I think it just said 500 BC.
- [166:13]
Dan
Yeah.
- [166:13]
Joe Rogan
Is that what it said? Jamie discovered in 1901, second century BC. Oh, so, okay, 200 BC. But there was definitely more than one of those.
- [166:24]
Dan
Oh, God.
- [166:24]
Joe Rogan
That's what's crazy. So this is the whole thing. When you're talking about ancient technology, if this is only 2,200 years ago, 15,000 years ago, you ain't gonna find shit like that is so much longer. And if you think about how eroded that is, if that thing was still in the ocean 10,000 years from now, there'd be nothing left. Yeah, that's the other thing that's really gross about the whole shipwreck dismissal is that these ships were made out of wood. The wood would be gone. This idea that would all be preserved because of cold water. There's no evidence of that. There's evidence of things that are like 600 years old, a thousand years old. As soon as you get older than that, you get nothing but the pottery and the jewelry on the floor of the ocean. Right?
- [167:01]
Dan
That's absolutely right. Yeah. We don't have fuck all for shipwrecks way back those days. And those ships that are preserved from even close to like 10,000 years ago aren't ships. They're little fucking canoes that are found in bogs and places. Right. If it's in the ocean, it's not. It's Swiss cheese. After a few thousand years, you ain't gonna have nothing left.
- [167:22]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [167:25]
Dan
One of the things that really is sad about that whole deal is it's, you know, there was a potential for a real good discussion to be had there. Flint does know a lot about archaeology and he could have sat down with Graham and had a good conversation about this stuff. But if you, in order to do that, he would have had to have not construed it as a debate in his mind. I mean, clearly it was still going to get labeled as such. But by making a debate in his head, it's like you have to win. You have to win. And so you have to sew shut holes that can't be sewn shut. If we're talking about like that, those are shipwrecks. Oh, well, they've got to make sure that there's no shipwrecks. You got to make sure that there's no place for him to speculate whatsoever because, and that's just like a dude. So you end up with.
- [168:11]
Joe Rogan
Right, because he's still right in one way.
- [168:13]
Dan
Right.
- [168:13]
Joe Rogan
And the, the way he's right is there's no evidence of a 10,000 year old shipwreck.
- [168:17]
Dan
No, there is no evidence of a 10,000 year old shipwreck.
- [168:19]
Joe Rogan
That's all you have to say. And you have to say, well, we have to make a giant leap if you want to assume that people were seafarers. But it is possible.
- [168:25]
Dan
Possible. And if it's possible that it did.
- [168:27]
Joe Rogan
2,000 years ago, like what we do, we really know for absolute certainty what year the boat was invented.
- [168:33]
Dan
Thank you. But I'll tell you something that's, that's kind of painful and hilarious, but sad about this. You know, Flint, they're closing the anthropology department at the university Flint teaches at. Right now they're closing down other anthropology departments and archaeology departments across the world right now, across the country. There's, I just posted one a couple days ago. Flint was sitting here with Graham talking to you and there was the opportunity for him to say, we do need to do more investigation. Graham, I completely agree with you, which is why I think we need to get some people out there to do some underwater archaeology. Where do you think Graham, you know, a few different place he could be drumming up business with and, and then, then the two. Then at the very least, even if, even if he looked down his nose at everything Graham had to say, the cheddar comes in, the investigations happen and everybody's happy. Instead, they're closing his fucking department. I mean, dude, to me it's just such a. I mean they're not, might not necessarily be directly related, but he had an opportunity that he completely didn't just piss it away, he just drove it into the ground. Did the opposite of what he should have done with it. And they do that as a matter of course. Jimmy Corsetti brought up once about a year ago on Twitter he's like, oh yeah, you know, I think the nephilim in the Bible it talks about the giants and nephilim. I think maybe that might be an extinct species of hominid. And I maybe Denisovans, maybe Neanderthal. So instead of being like hey that's interesting man, but you know what? Denisovans and Neanderthal are both the wrong size for they would. Neither one of them were bigger than humans so they couldn't be giants. You need to look into Gigantopithecus or maybe some other. And sent Jim on, on to go learn about science. Instead they said no, it's stupid. Both of these are smaller than that God. This Jimmy Corsetti guy's a grifter God. He's stupid. And then I, I come along and point out that you had you missed opportunity here, guys. Why are you doing it like this? You, why are you being dicks instead of trying. You're here trying to be a science educator. Right, right. He has a bigger platform than you.
- [170:39]
Joe Rogan
Right, right. The giant thing is always weird to me because there's so many people that believe in kooky that want to believe there was giants and that there's. They, they hit them Smithsonian. They've got them tucked away. Like why, why would they hide giants? Like what would society fall apart if we knew that at one point in time there were 11 foot men running around and what happened to them? Maybe they're just like a lot of other large animals that just like they need too many resources.
- [171:04]
Dan
Yeah, because you ate them all and that's why they're ago.
- [171:06]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, but maybe they're just dumb as and huge.
- [171:10]
Dan
We ate them or we killed them.
- [171:12]
Joe Rogan
Maybe we got tired of them raiding our villages and they couldn't figure out weapons because they were so big they never had to. If we do know that there's tiny hobbit people, why wouldn't we assume that? Look, if the tallest humans are like what's the tallest guy ever? He's like nine feet tall.
- [171:25]
Dan
Foot three. Okay. Robert Wadlow. I grew up in that near him. So.
- [171:28]
Joe Rogan
So let's imagine something two feet bigger than that. That's not so hard to believe. Believe that there was a bunch of them. Is that hard to believe? If we find out that there was little hobbit people and if we find out there was Denisovans and what's those big headed people that they Found. We were talking about it. They found in China with the extra large skulls. It's a very recent discovery. We were just talking about it. It's a. They thought at one point in time they were Dennis Ovens and now they think it's a completely separate chain.
- [171:54]
Dan
Oh, wow.
- [171:54]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, they're always hiding these new little weird human humans. But these big headed people, they had like large brows and their skulls were much larger than ours. Yeah. And they. We just had. We pulled images of them the other day. Remember, they look giant. We had jacked versions of it.
- [172:12]
Unknown
They call them just the large head people.
- [172:14]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, Big head people discovered. I did. It's.
- [172:21]
Dan
There's a.
- [172:21]
Unknown
What the. Literally the website's as large head people.
- [172:25]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [172:26]
Unknown
I don't have a better name for.
- [172:27]
Joe Rogan
It, but remember we did find a better name the other day. That's it. Those are the people. That's the article. So this is December 2024. So it was really recent. Provocative new piece of nature. Propose a whole new group of ancient humans, cousins of the Denisovans and Neanderthals that once lived alongside Homo sapiens in eastern asia more than 100,000 years ago. The brains of these extinct humans, who probably hunted horses in small groups, were much bigger than any other hominin of their time, including our own species.
- [172:56]
Dan
Wow.
- [172:56]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. What bigger brain things? Like, what is this thing? Jeweler and yeah. Google jewelry images. There's some cool fucking CGI versions of what they think this thing looks like. Good images.
- [173:14]
Dan
Damn.
- [173:16]
Joe Rogan
There's one where he's like super jacked. Oh, that's like that one over there fart. Like, look at that super jacked primate that stands upright. Here's a weird one. How come all the intelligent things stand upright? Is it because you need your hands free? Because if you're walking on four legs, you never figure anything out because you're always using your hands to walk with.
- [173:39]
Dan
That might be part of it.
- [173:40]
Joe Rogan
Like you need to become bipedal, like opposable thumbs.
- [173:44]
Dan
Yeah.
- [173:45]
Joe Rogan
Well, the aliens don't though. They gave up on that. They. They would just want three digits.
- [173:48]
Dan
Well, that's, that's because they all just do tablets now.
- [173:50]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. They're so advanced, they're just scrolling.
- [173:52]
Dan
Yeah.
- [173:52]
Joe Rogan
You ever seen a little kid take a magazine and try to like.
- [173:56]
Unknown
I saw this today. This is the world's tallest woman meeting the world's smallest woman.
- [174:00]
Dan
Wow. Yeah. Right?
- [174:01]
Joe Rogan
Look how that's insane. And those are both human beings.
- [174:04]
Dan
Yeah.
- [174:05]
Joe Rogan
Right. At the same time.
- [174:06]
Dan
Well, one of the things that's interesting to me about the giant bones. Like the reports that they go. The, the things that they use to really. They're smoking guilt done is like there's a few reports from like the west coast and like Grand Canyon and, and they would send these letters back being like. Or the real newspaper that this guy discovered these big giant bones and they're bringing them back and.
- [174:29]
Joe Rogan
Right.
- [174:29]
Dan
I'm of the opinion, being the skeptical person. I am. I'm of the opinion that this was more of an announcement to the people back east that hey, if these things happen to get stolen along the way and I happen to, to find a bunch of money along the way, now's your chance. Because once they get to the Smithsonian, boys, they're theirs. So I don't think any of them made it. If, if these exist, if they were giant bones at all. I don't think a damn one of them made it to Smithsonian. I think they got bought up and they're sitting there. I mean, come on. These guys have their fingers.
- [174:58]
Joe Rogan
Jeff Bezos type character from 182 to collect it in his house.
- [175:03]
Dan
Archaeology became a field.
- [175:05]
Joe Rogan
Imagine you go over some skull and bone type dude's house.
- [175:09]
Dan
Jesus Christ, he's all.
- [175:11]
Joe Rogan
You have a giant skeleton.
- [175:12]
Dan
Metal, metal plates on his face.
- [175:15]
Joe Rogan
They're fucking real. How many people have those little alien babies, those little alien skeletons? How many people. I mean, if people find out about that, some crazy Chinese billionaire, like, get me a little alien. Come on. I want it for my study.
- [175:28]
Dan
Yeah. And that's basically how that's, you know.
- [175:31]
Joe Rogan
That probably happens a lot, right? Because these archaeologists aren't making much money.
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Dan
No. And of course it happens a lot, especially in the third world and.
- [175:38]
Joe Rogan
Oh yeah.
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Dan
I mean, and that's where all the. Not all, but that's where a lot of the cool stuff is. But you go to a place like that, it's like your boy up in Alaska finds a spot and he. Because it's not human remains, he can do whatever the he wants. Those were native remains, it'd be a different story. But. And like he, he's pulling cash out of that. But guys in other countries where they don't even have enough to feed. I mean, look at how the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, right? They just buy them off a little kid. Kids and right. The people that had no money, like the kids throw rocks up there and then they find them. And then the dudes, the buys of the first ones were bought from the kids that found them.
- [176:13]
Joe Rogan
They're crazy.
- [176:14]
Dan
It's insane for nothing. Of course.
- [176:16]
Joe Rogan
Imagine if they were just burned somewhere. Imagine someone said this is heresy and lit them on fire. Like we'd have lost it all. Like Library of Alexandria, like all that.
- [176:27]
Dan
All that shit that ISIS blew up.
- [176:29]
Joe Rogan
Oh, right, right, yeah, yeah. Crazy.
- [176:31]
Dan
That hurt. I seeing those videos was like bad.
- [176:34]
Unknown
I read that about the mummies. That's how they found them. The NASCA mummies. There was grave robbers cuz there they're found in a cemetery area. But someone found some weird ones I guess amongst the bodies.
- [176:45]
Dan
And which ones do you think, which ones do you think they took first? You walk in there and there's all these 200 of them. One of them is really extra crazy looking. That's. Give me that one.
- [176:56]
Joe Rogan
Give me the alien, the one with the giant head.
- [176:58]
Dan
The reports that I told you Rockefeller got those big skulls. The reports say that they gave him three or four bundles that were in desperate need of repair. I call bullshit on that. I think he got the four best bundles they had.
- [177:11]
Joe Rogan
Probably, probably got him set up with like a UFO in the background in his house. You got to go to a secret room. The visitors have been here forever. But one of the things I did want to ask you is one of the wackier theories that I read online was that there was a discovery of some sort of an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon.
- [177:30]
Dan
Yes, I've heard this. Yeah, that's basically one guy's story. It's cool, Ben. And I believe. I want to believe too. That's the problem. I want to believe too.
- [177:39]
Joe Rogan
But why would they hide that from us?
- [177:40]
Dan
Well, the only reason that there's a part of the Grand Canyon you can't go to that is true.
- [177:48]
Joe Rogan
Why can't you go? What's the rule?
- [177:50]
Dan
I think maybe it's have to do with native American stuff. But I haven't dug too terribly into this to be honest with you.
- [177:55]
Joe Rogan
Let them have a casino and let us go there.
- [177:58]
Dan
It might even just be because they're worried about people falling off the side of a cliff or something and dying.
- [178:03]
Joe Rogan
But they die every day.
- [178:05]
Dan
Yeah, they do.
- [178:05]
Joe Rogan
Not every day, but like every year someone dies at the Grand Canyon.
- [178:08]
Dan
But this is supposed to be that cave was supposed to be in that area. And it's supposed to be like pretty hard to find, pretty inaccessible. But yeah, it was supposed to have all kinds of Egyptian relics and stuff in there.
- [178:19]
Joe Rogan
Too much if the government's been hiding that from us. And UFOs. You guys found an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon. You hid it for so long you had to keep hiding it. Otherwise, you would have been an. Five years ago, 100 years ago. You know what I mean?
- [178:31]
Dan
Yeah.
- [178:31]
Joe Rogan
It's like we don't ever, ever admit we were. So we'll just, like, keep it hidden forever and ever.
- [178:36]
Dan
We'll know who killed JFK before we get to see what's in that cave.
- [178:40]
Joe Rogan
Allegedly.
- [178:40]
Dan
Allegedly. Yes.
- [178:41]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. I'm not buying anything.
- [178:43]
Dan
No, no.
- [178:44]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, we're gonna release the doctor documents. Sure.
- [178:47]
Dan
Once. Yeah. What's the. Once they said they were going to release the documents, I was like, sweet, I'm going to go look into it. And they're like, oh, it's just going to take a couple. Three. Okay. You.
- [178:55]
Joe Rogan
Well, they have to go through it.
- [178:57]
Dan
All, you know, because they haven't done that yet.
- [179:00]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I don't know.
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Dan
Well, I, I, I get. I just. It's if the fam, you know, the. Maybe it could be the grandson of one of the people involved has got powers, something. Nowadays it doesn't really matter a whole lot.
- [179:14]
Joe Rogan
Right.
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Dan
Like, just if there's power involved, they're just gonna kick that.
- [179:18]
Joe Rogan
Especially if somehow or another you could show that those people profited from that power and then that families inherited that money, and they'd be held liable.
- [179:25]
Dan
Oh, boy. Oh, boy.
- [179:27]
Joe Rogan
Well, listen, Dan, I really enjoy your videos. They're great. It's a great channel. D dunking. It's awesome. It's on YouTube. Always great to talk to you. I'm glad you came back here to do it again. And let's do it another time, man. Yeah, I would love down.
- [179:40]
Dan
I, I would love.
- [179:41]
Joe Rogan
Come down here and we'll decipher it.
- [179:43]
Dan
Thanks for the invite, Joe.
- [179:44]
Joe Rogan
I really appreciate it.
- [179:45]
Dan
Great conversation.
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Joe Rogan
I enjoyed it. All right. Bye, everybody.