#2271 - John Reeves

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Joe Rogan Experience #2271 – John Reeves

Release Date: February 11, 2025
Host: Joe Rogan
Guest: John Reeves

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1. Personal Health Journey

Timestamp: [00:20 – 05:19]

John Reeves opens the conversation by sharing his recent health scare. Initially, he believed he had bronchitis, but a visit to St. Vincent's Clinic revealed he was suffering from double pneumonia—a severe condition affecting both lungs. This unexpected diagnosis prompted him to reconsider his long-term habits, particularly smoking, which he has done for over 50 years.

Notable Quotes:

• John Reeves [00:38]: “I can officially announce that the end of 2024 is right now.”
• Joe Rogan [03:05]: “Just glad you recovered. And I'm glad you quit smoking too.”
• John Reeves [04:19]: “I've smoked for over 50 years... I’ve never been an anti-smoking crusader, but if anything good comes to my appearance with you today, was it this Dr. F. Shari... happened to tell me at the right exact time you need to quit.”

2. Economics of Oil and Water

Timestamp: [05:19 – 11:10]

The discussion shifts to the economics of oil and water, particularly focusing on the disparity in gas prices between Florida and California. John highlights the complexities of oil extraction and distribution, questioning how Florida manages to offer significantly lower gas prices despite the extensive infrastructure required for oil.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Rogan [09:55]: “I don't think we got to the bottom of it though. I think California has to use gasoline that's refined in California.”
• John Reeves [10:00]: “You look at that bottle, you'll pay two bucks for it in a 7 11... eight bucks a gallon for water?”

3. Political and Social Commentary

Timestamp: [11:10 – 25:11]

Joe and John delve into various political topics, including the influence of money in politics, corruption within government agencies, and the mismanagement of funds allocated for foreign aid. They express skepticism about the accountability of institutions like USAID and criticize the allocation of budgets toward what they consider frivolous programs.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Rogan [15:35]: “They're so locked into this idea. Like if a Democrat had found all that, it would be like some shit JFK would do in '62.”
• John Reeves [22:55]: “Most of the people in America are good people. It's not racists. They're not sexist. They're not bad people.”

4. Advances and Concerns in Technology

Timestamp: [25:11 – 43:04]

The conversation transitions to technological advancements, particularly focusing on AI and automation. Joe expresses concerns about the future of jobs, especially for truck drivers, with the advent of self-driving vehicles like Tesla's Semi. They also touch upon the potential threats posed by quantum computing to current encryption methods.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Rogan [60:34]: “Once they get that totally dialed in, we're gonna have a real problem.”
• John Reeves [43:21]: “I like gold. It's in your hand. You can see it, you can hold it, you can feel it.”

5. Paleontological Discoveries and Museum Practices

Timestamp: [43:04 – 66:00]

John shares his extensive experience in paleontology, discussing the discovery of ancient bones, including saber-toothed tigers and mammoths, in Alaska. He criticizes institutions like the American Museum of Natural History (AMNH) for allegedly mishandling and failing to account for these significant findings. John emphasizes the importance of returning these bones to Alaska for proper study and preservation.

Notable Quotes:

• John Reeves [74:00]: “They took them all. Scientific value, nothing. They took them all.”
• Joe Rogan [89:53]: “If you're involved in some sort of a government agency or a government discovery agency... Make a video showing how amazing a job you're doing.”

6. Environmental Impact and Conservation Efforts

Timestamp: [66:00 – 75:00]

The duo discusses environmental disasters, such as oil spills in East Palestine and Flint's water crisis. They express frustration over inadequate responses and the continued neglect of affected communities. Additionally, they touch upon the challenges of sustainable farming and the reliance on transportation for food distribution in the United States.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Rogan [85:12]: “We're talking about rumors on the drive, and I'm going... Sometimes you just can't do anything about them.”
• John Reeves [78:49]: “I think it's such a simple solution. Just do the right thing. Just do the right thing and just call me up and say, okay, come get them.”

7. Cultural and Historical Reflections

Timestamp: [75:00 – 93:00]

Joe and John reflect on American history, including the acquisition of Alaska and the current geopolitical landscape. They speculate about the potential expansion of the United States and critique the country's reliance on fossil fuels and automated technologies. The conversation also touches upon historical events, such as the Exxon Valdez spill and the complexities surrounding the moon landing.

Notable Quotes:

• John Reeves [82:07]: “People forget what it's like to expand America. The last time we did it was Alaska.”
• Joe Rogan [90:34]: “Isn't that nuts that you have this extraordinary place that really doesn't get attention until you get on social media.”

8. Final Thoughts and Future Aspirations

Timestamp: [93:00 – End]

As the episode concludes, Joe and John express their hope for future progress in paleontological studies and environmental conservation. John reiterates his commitment to preserving and studying ancient bones, despite institutional challenges. They also discuss personal projects, such as crafting with mammoth ivory and creating unique artifacts.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Rogan [191:11]: “I think people need to be refreshed every year to realize what an extraordinary place you have.”
• John Reeves [175:35]: “And we have some knowledge at the end of the day.”

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Conclusion

In this episode, Joe Rogan and John Reeves navigate a broad spectrum of topics, intertwining personal health experiences with deep dives into politics, economics, environmental issues, and paleontological discoveries. John Reeves provides unique insights into the challenges faced by individuals working to preserve and study ancient remains, while both guests voice concerns about institutional accountability and the future impact of technology on society.

Key Takeaways:

• Health Awareness: John Reeves' battle with pneumonia underscores the importance of health consciousness and quitting harmful habits like smoking.
• Economic Disparities: The discussion highlights the complex factors influencing gas and water prices in different states.
• Political Skepticism: Both guests express distrust in governmental institutions and the allocation of funds, emphasizing the need for accountability.
• Technological Concerns: The rise of AI and automation poses significant threats to certain job sectors, raising questions about future employment landscapes.
• Paleontological Advocacy: John Reeves advocates for the proper handling and study of ancient bones, criticizing museums for mishandling critical discoveries.
• Environmental Urgency: Ongoing environmental crises require immediate and effective responses to mitigate long-term impacts.
• Cultural Heritage: Preserving and understanding historical artifacts is crucial for advancing scientific knowledge and maintaining cultural heritage.

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Note: This summary captures the essence of the discussion between Joe Rogan and John Reeves, reflecting their perspectives and the breadth of topics covered in this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience.

Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

[John Reeves]

The Joe Rogan Experience.

[Joe Rogan]

Train my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Good to see you, my friend.

[John Reeves]

Good to be seen. Thank you. Good to see you.

[Joe Rogan]

We're supposed to be doing the end of the year, but unfortunately you got caught with the cooties.

[John Reeves]

I did, I did.

[Joe Rogan]

And what'd you get?

[John Reeves]

I can officially announce that the end of 2024 is right now. Well, wait for that.

[Joe Rogan]

Calendar is all bullshit anyway. It's supposed to be on that old one. That's 13 months.

[John Reeves]

There you go.

[Joe Rogan]

So what happened? What'd you catch?

[John Reeves]

Well, I thought I had bronchitis. All the. Everybody in the house had it. And we go to CrossFit, and they all had it. I go to CrossFit, Jacks and my trainers, Megan Russell there, and she's going, ah, you know, you. You might want to take it easy a little bit. Of course I'm smoking cigarettes, and I got bronchitis. And I go to a clinic. They give me some drugs. Yeah, you got bronchitis. Go home. A couple days later, I'm sleeping in my chair, and my wife has one of those little oxygen modern things that you put on your finger. She wakes me up and goes, all right, let's go. What do you mean, let's go? Oxygen levels. You're going to the hospital. What? I'm sitting here taking a nap. No, you're going to the hospital. So I said, okay. So we get. It's late at night. We go to St. Vincent's Clinic. Go in, it's late, and sitting there waiting for the doctor, Arian F. Sherry, great guy, turns out. He comes in and looking at me, he's young enough to be one of my kids. He goes, stethoscope, listening to my lungs. He goes, do you smoke? I said, yeah. He says, you need to quit. I said, I just did. He goes, what? I said, I just did. I'm done. Now what do we do? He goes, well, next you're going to the hospital. This is just a clinic. I said, what do you mean I'm going to the hospital? He says, you haven't got bronchitis. You got pneumonia. And I think you got double pneumonia. So you're going right now.

[Joe Rogan]

What's double pneumonia?

[John Reeves]

Both lungs. The bad kind.

[Joe Rogan]

The bad kind.

[John Reeves]

He says, but the good news is you don't have bronchitis. I said, okay, I guess that's good news. And that was about the time I was supposed to be in the studio with you, just a couple days before that. And I'm going, wow, this kind of screw up my plans, as you know, best made plans and all that.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, the plans are all bullshit. We made those up.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

We'll do it at the end of the year. It doesn't have to be that.

[John Reeves]

All right, well, thanks for the invite. I look forward to it this year.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm just happy that you're okay.

[John Reeves]

I am okay.

[Joe Rogan]

And the date didn't matter, you know, things happen.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm just glad you recovered. And I'm glad you quit smoking too.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. He says you need to quit smoking. I did and went to the hospital. Was in there for almost five days. And I haven't been in a hospital in a while, but they, they have it. St. Vincent's did a great job. The nurses have their little machines, they wheel around and they come in your room every, it seemed like quite often to check your vitals, to do this, to do intravenous, to do that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

So I'm sitting in there and couldn't sleep. So I'm one of those guys that if you walk by the door and you see an old guy sitting on a bed looking out the door, that's me. So I maybe got hour two hours of sleep at night.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you have a hard time kicking the cigarettes even because you've been smoking like your whole life, right?

[John Reeves]

I did. I've smoked for over 50 years and I know it's bad for me and I've never been an anti smoking crusader, but if anything good comes to my appearance with you today, was it this Dr. F. Shari, total stranger guy I never met before in my life, happened to tell me at the right exact time you need to quit. And I've been thinking I need to quit for a long time. My loved ones told me that my wife, my kids and I never. Okay, yeah, that's a good idea.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a weird thing because it kills you slowly and along the way it gives you just a little bit of happiness. A little bit of happiness while it kills you slowly. And it's not just a problem of killing you slowly, it's how it's going to kill you. The way it's going to kill you. It's going to suffocate you.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

I have a friend, my friend Mike, who owns the comedy and magic club in Hermosa beach. And he was trying to convince a friend of mine to quit smoking because his wife is a nurse. I believe so. I believe not out of school. But he was explaining that the way people die of lung cancer, the Way people die at the end. He's like, it's horrible. Like, it's hard. You don't see that. You just hear he died of cancer. You don't see what the final days are like. And it's avoidable. It's avoidable.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. Well, since I quit, I don't cough anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that crazy?

[John Reeves]

It's crazy. I can breathe better and I'm still getting better from the pneumonia, I'm sure, because it takes a while to get over that. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I was amazed that you could still fly so quickly.

[John Reeves]

We drove.

[Joe Rogan]

You drove from Alaska?

[John Reeves]

No, from Florida.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's right, Florida.

[John Reeves]

We were in Florida.

[Joe Rogan]

How long did that take, though? That's a couple days.

[John Reeves]

It was a couple days.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ.

[John Reeves]

Well, we had stuff we didn't want to put on.

[Joe Rogan]

The airlines got it, Wink. Government.

[John Reeves]

I'm just teasing. We, we wanted a road trip, went a little adventure. You know, it's. You fly over this country at 45,000ft and you're looking out the window. It's a big country.

[Joe Rogan]

It happens in two hours.

[John Reeves]

That's right. And you're looking out and you suddenly see a little dot and see some houses and you know, I wonder what those people do down there.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a real problem with people who don't venture outside of the bubbles if they're in those, those left wing liberal bubbles like New York and California. The people that don't travel, what helped me a lot is doing stand up on the road.

[John Reeves]

Oh, boy.

[Joe Rogan]

Because I was on, I was everywhere. So I would go to all these different towns all over the country. You get to see a whole different group of people, a whole different kind of people. You know, it's like people are the same and different everywhere you go. And this idea that the people in the middle are stupid, especially now, that's a really dumb way to look at it. Because of the Internet now, everybody kind of has access to information. And you're going to have dumb people and you're going to have smart people no matter where you go, including in the cities. But the problem in the cities is the dumb people can trick you because they believe the things that the smart people believe and they say them loudly and so they think they're smart. So this is a way to be smart without actually being smart. Just say the things that smart people say and say it like you're defending it and you're defending freedom or science or some democracy, whatever it is, you just yell it out and then the smart people won't say Anything because you're saying the things that they want to say and the other people are like, hey, I know what you're doing. And it, more than anything, it turns people off.

[John Reeves]

Exactly. And by traveling, you have a chance at having an adventure. Yeah, something cool could happen.

[Joe Rogan]

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[John Reeves]

When we got to, I forget Texas, there was a place called Buc ee's.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah.

[John Reeves]

Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that crazy? First time you go there, you're like, what the hell is this place?

[John Reeves]

2, 200 gas pumps.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

I went, what are you doing? We paid a buck 47 a gallon. That's three times what? Or three times less than what I pay in Alaska.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah, Alaska's got to be rough, right? But meanwhile, that's where they get the oil. Isn't the oil like real close to there?

[John Reeves]

Runs right through my property? I Helped build that some bitch. So anyways, yeah, no, it's. I've never understood the economics of how that works.

[Joe Rogan]

California's the worst. I believe the way we tried to figure this out the other day. I don't think we got to the bottom of it though. I think California has to use gasoline that's refined in California. So it's one of the reasons why. And then I'm sure crazy fucking carbon taxes, whatever, they ramp up some extra shit to make it more expensive. Because you're looking at a price per gallon that's like a couple bucks more a gallon always than it is here. As soon as we came here, I was like, what happened to gas price? Why, why is it sold less here?

[John Reeves]

You get a little plastic bottle of water, right? 12 ounces.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

You look at that bottle, you'll pay two bucks for it in a 7 11, you know, for that little bottle of water. Four of those bottles of water make a gallon. You're paying eight bucks a gallon for water? Water is the most abundant thing on the planet. It's everywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

Except in some parts of California. Apparently. They didn't want to have the reservoirs filled up.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they had to put a lid on it, John. There's a lid and the lid was broken.

[John Reeves]

Remember we Talked about that 60 foot diameter water line coming down from southeast Alaska to California? Yeah, that would have been helpful.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, we talked about that. If they can do that with oil, why can't they do that with water?

[John Reeves]

Because they're afraid there'd be a water leak in the Pacific Ocean. You can't have water.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You can't drown the ocean. That's terrible.

[John Reeves]

Oh. So anyway, so you're looking at 8 bucks a gallon for water.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

But oil, you gotta go first of all, you got to go find it.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

Then you got to do all kinds of seismic work. Then you got to drill, and then you got to discover it. And then you got to build a well and then you got to build feeder lines and you got to get it to a pump station. Then you got to get it somewhere in a pipeline. Then you got to ship at 4,000 miles.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And you got to use it to ship it, which is even crazier.

[John Reeves]

And you're paying a buck 47 a gallon. How's this working, boys? I don't get it.

[Joe Rogan]

It is crazy. And how much do you have? How is it how we burned so much and still there? How much is there? How much do you guys have left?

[John Reeves]

They got a bunch in Alaska.

[Joe Rogan]

They got a Bunch everywhere.

[John Reeves]

I bet they got a bunch in Greenland too.

[Joe Rogan]

There is a book that I read, a book that I read, I think in the 90s called Black Gold Stranglehold, maybe early 2000s. And I never found out if it was real or not. I never looked into it any further. I need to talk to like an expert. But this guy was essentially saying that oil is a natural property of Earth and that it's not like dinosaur fossils, like we like to think about it. Fossil fuels, dinosaurs and plants break down, they make oil. No, he said oil is a natural component of Earth and that the proof is in the fact that if they have these wells that go dry, they can wait just a little while and then they could go back to the well again and it'll replenish itself.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

How is that possible if this is just decaying matter over millions and millions of years? It doesn't make sense unless it's coming, seeping in from other areas that they don't have access to. And it's somehow another gets to that well. Like it's all like a stream underground, which begs the question, like, how much is there?

[John Reeves]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

They found out that there's three times more water in the ground than underground than there is in all the oceans of Earth.

[John Reeves]

Some crazy stuff, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy stuff that I didn't even make sense because they said the water's trapped. I think they're saying the water's trapped in rocks. Is that what they're saying? See, see if you can find that article. It's a three times as much water under the ground as the ocean. How? Where?

[Jamie]

Three times Stored within a mineral called ringwoodite.

[Joe Rogan]

Ringwoodite. What does it look like? Does it have a picture like some avatar mineral, some glowing blue mineral filled with water?

[Jamie]

Yeah, that's kind of what it looks like.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? Oh, that's crazy. I called it magnesium silicate. Wow, it's beautiful. Show me an image of that. Key points about it. The hidden oceans found under hundreds of miles below the Earth's surface in the transition zone between the upper and lower mantle. The water is trapped within the crystal structure of the mineral Ringwoodite. Significance this discovery could significantly alter our understanding of the Earth's water cycle and potentially provide insights into the origin of water on our planet. Whoa. Thank God there's scientists out there. Except you know, of course the that steal your bones. Won't give them back those guys. But other scientists, like cool guys that figured this out. These cool guys gals and non binary folk. That is wild stuff, man. Three Times as much ocean as it is in the ocean. That's so crazy. So that's the transition zone. It's all hydrated. How long before, like, rappers start wearing that around a necklace that seems like a dope necklace? That's that. That they make water out of.

[Jamie]

Gotta sell it to someone.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You just need some Kendrick Lamar type influencer, someone was at the top of his game to start wearing it, you know, like Kanye in his prime. He could. He could have got that out there.

[John Reeves]

By the way, I want to thank you for your podcast and the one with President Trump.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you're welcome.

[John Reeves]

I thought that was great. And I made the mistake of complimenting you on. On that page. I said I really enjoyed the podcast between you and President Trump. Jesus Christ, 8,000 people coming at me. I'm stopping to follow you. You're a nasty person. I hate you.

[Joe Rogan]

This is on your page?

[John Reeves]

On my page?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You got. Stop reading the comments.

[John Reeves]

I know a great man once told me that the problem is I don't take advice and I don't give advice, but I'm trying.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't give a whole lot of advice, I guess, sometimes, but only with really important stuff. Like, that's an important one. You can't fix those. And they will affect the way you think. They affect the way people behave. They affect your freedom of expression to freely express yourself.

[John Reeves]

I think it had a great impact on the election.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it had an impact because.

[John Reeves]

It showed Mr. Trump as a regular.

[Joe Rogan]

Guy, as a human. Yeah.

[John Reeves]

Humanized him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, he also was right about a lot of shit.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

The fact that he called the problem with the LA fires months before they happened was literally saying what they needed to do, what they're doing wrong, and then, boom, two times the size of Manhattan is gone.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so crazy when you see it live or, excuse me, from above, like on video, when they do the drone sweeps over it. Fucking like a bomb went off, like a fucking nuclear bomb hit that part of the state. It's nuts.

[John Reeves]

Well, maybe they can rebuild it after. Rebuild Hawaii and North Carolina and.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

Take care of some of those guys.

[Joe Rogan]

They're still working on shit that's blown over in Florida, right?

[John Reeves]

Yep. We saw a lot of it in Georgia when we went through.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, there's. You're always going to have a certain amount of hurricane damage and. But if we don't take care of that first and Instead we spend $200 million on transgender animal studies, like, what the. What are we doing? Like, why aren't we allocating money to the most important things we have, which is people and their safety and their home to be able to rebuild. The fact that they get a $770 check and that's it, that's all those people in Maui got, that's just to let you know, like, this is a fucking rigged game. So even if you're not happy with what Elon Musk is doing and he has access that he shouldn't have and all this different stuff, you. You got to rip the Band Aid off, kids. This country is trillions of dollars, $36 trillion in debt. And a lot of the stuff that's listed on usaid, all this stuff that's coming out, all these different things that they paid for, they're so frivolous and so insane. It wouldn't be too crazy. It wouldn't be as crazy if we were at a, $36 trillion in debt and B, not taking care of people in Maui, North Carolina. But the fact that those things exist, that those three things exist and then people are still. They don't want to say that. He's right. They're so locked into this idea. Like if a Democrat had found all that, if Joe Biden had went in and found corruption that was in the halls of our government and tried to weed it out and said, there's corruption in these NGOs, there's corruption in these, you know, not for profits. There's a lot of corruption and influence and we're gonna weed this out because we want a fair country. The fucking place would be cheering them. This would be like some shit JFK would do in 62.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Everybody would be cheering him. Yes, this is what we need, a real president who's really going to come in and fix these things. But because Trump's doing it in the way he does things, it's just like he's a fuck. He just did. You see in the Air Force One, they announced this is the first time a president is ever flying over the Gulf of America. The newly named Gulf of America.

[John Reeves]

That was classic. I mean, he doesn't miss a beat.

[Joe Rogan]

It's funny. It's funny. Look, I hope that the good stuff from U.S. aid can be picked back up. I hope that there's some stuff that can be reinstated because I think this genuine good, that a lot of these non profit organizations and GEOs, a lot, a lot of people are genuinely good people are doing good work and be good for us as a civilization to sponsor some of that. But you got to know like what's fraud, you know, and how much of it is horseshit? And how. How much of it can you track? There's this guy, Ian Carroll. Did you see Ian's video about it? He was saying that somewhere in the neighborhood of like 90% of this stuff that they're paying for doesn't even make it to where it's supposed to be going and that it could just. A lot of it could just be fraud.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you see that video, Jamie?

[Jamie]

He makes a lot of cool videos. I've seen the videos. He's gotten things wrong though.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. That's what makes it fun. That's what that's. I like people like him. Him and Candace Owens. They're my favorite go to's when I want to know who the fucking lizard people are. This episode is brought to you by netsuite. Until they invent a crystal ball, who knows what the future holds for business? Until then, over 40,000 businesses have future proofed their business with NetSuite by Oracle, the number one Cloud ERP bringing accounting, financial management, inventory and HR into one platform. With real time insights and forecasting, you're able to peer into the future and seize new opportunities. Download the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning for free at netsuite.com rogan that's netsuite.com rogan this episode is brought to you by Visible Is your wireless Full of stuff you didn't sign up for, don't need, or don't understand. Visible gives you everything you want from wireless and nothing you don't. No confusing plans, no hidden fees, no nonsense. With Visible, you just get unlimited everything. Unlimited data, talk, text and hotspot. All powered by Verizon's 5G network. Plus they're an all digital wireless service, so you can easily switch within a matter of minutes from your phone, either in their app or online. Ready to switch? Visible has an offer for you. The Joe Rogan Experience. Listeners join by March 24th and new members can get the Visible plus plan for just $30 per month for 25 months. That's Visible's best plan with premium data for 15 off each month for 25 months. Get Visible's fastest network now with even more Savings. [e-mail] Rogan with the promo code Rogan for this offer from Visible. Didn't think wireless could be so transparent. So Visible. Well, now you know. Switch [e-mail] rogan terms apply. See visible.com for network management details.

[John Reeves]

Well, the money we send to Ukraine and they can't find 100 billion of them.

[Joe Rogan]

They're only missing 100 billion, John. It's only a lot of money.

[John Reeves]

No, it's not.

[Joe Rogan]

$100 billion for all those fine weapons. I don't even know what happened. Like, where's the. How did the money get distributed? Like, who. Where to go? How are you missing so much?

[John Reeves]

I. I figure a lot of it never got out of America.

[Joe Rogan]

But this is the thing about human beings. If you just don't ever have them be accountable, they won't be. They won't be. The United States is like a meth head that we gave a checkbook to, and at the end of the month, we're like, what the fuck did you buy? You know? He's like, don't worry, man. I got this. I'll cover it. I'll cover it. What did you buy?

[John Reeves]

America's a big business.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a giant business.

[John Reeves]

And we got a president now that's a business guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[John Reeves]

I don't wake up every morning to see what the fuck he's done. I know that the business is in good hands and he'll take care of it. Because when you drive through it and you see what we got going, you realize, man, there's people trying to make it right. And most of the people in America are good people. It's not racists. They're not sexist. They're not bad people. Most people that you see every day are just good people.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that's most people in the world.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The people that aren't like that are the people that are in desperation, the people that are in horrible desperation, or people that have been abused, you know, and I. I've always said, like, there's this compassionate view of immigration in this country. Like the progressive, compassionate people. Their idea is we should not stop people from pursuing a better life and that they come here because where they live is terrible. And they want to be able to come here and they want to be able to live the American dream, and we should be open to that. That's great, but you can't do that while you're also letting in terrorists. Right? So, like, what. What is the. What's the solution? Because the solution is you bring everybody over here, they can commit crimes, you have chaos, then people demonize the rest of them, who are very good people who just want a better life. Because the few that you let in because you didn't screen at all, the few that you let in that were scumbags, they're fucking gang members and holding up Apartment buildings and all this different crazy shit that we know is true. The right way to do it is take what we have in America, the freedom and the ability to prosper and expand that throughout the world. Like, if we were good neighbors, what we would try to do is turn Mexico into another America. Not another America culturally. That's not what I'm saying. But stop being run by the fucking cartels. Stop being run by people who are selling fentanyl, you know, like, figure out how to pay people, like, a fair wage. The reason why all those factories went down there so they could pay people slave labor. Make that illegal. Make that illegal. Make your own shit. Like, we should all help each other get to a state of living like that. The whole world could live at like that. Seems if that's not possible, something's real wrong with the system, you know, like the top 1% in this country is. I don't know what it is, but the top 1% in the world is $34,000 a year. That's how different the rest of the world is. That's why they're walking here from Guatemala. And I get it. I get it. My thought is, if you want to invest money, don't invest money and just like, pay all these people to live here and stay at the Roosevelt Hotel and all that crazy shit. Invest money in making their life better where they are.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If you could figure out how to make these places where they come from as prosperous as America would not be better.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that possible? I mean, it's got to be. It's possible here. How come you can't? That's the best concept of spreading democracy, like spread real democracy. But the problem with us is we don't really spread democracy. We just go over there and take over. You know, we go over there and install a puppet dictatorship and, you know, throw the whole fucking country into a tizzy.

[John Reeves]

And a lot of people are getting.

[Joe Rogan]

Rich off of a lot of people getting rich. This is the problem. And we're reliant on cheap stuff, you know? I mean, all these fucking social justice warriors and virtue signalers, they're all doing it on phones made by slaves. That's what's crazy.

[John Reeves]

And the ones that want to shut the mining industry down, I'll use gold as an example, by the way. Gold's gone up a thousand an ounce since I saw you last.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn.

[John Reeves]

Damn, it's right dollars an ounce. It's 3,000 bucks an ounce.

[Joe Rogan]

Didn't they find a gang of it in China recently?

[John Reeves]

Oh, they probably got all kinds of it.

[Joe Rogan]

I think China just didn't even. China just found some crazy new discovery of an enormous amount of gold they're.

[John Reeves]

Talking about back then. A crypto coin with gold.

[Joe Rogan]

It's better than money. It's real.

[John Reeves]

Not. My son is a.

[Joe Rogan]

When are you gonna get a boneyard crypto coin? 2024 November. China discovered a large gold deposit in the Wangu gold field in the Hunan province. The discovery is estimated to be worth billion dollars. Make it one of the largest gold finds in history. Holy. The deposit is estimated to contain over 1, 000 metric tons of gold. Gold is located in 40 veins that extend up to 3, 000 meters underground. The discovery was made using advanced 3D geological modeling. That's incredible. Isn't it amazing? I mean, you're a gold miner. Tell me, like, how the. How do you know where to dig? How do you guys find that stuff?

[John Reeves]

It's real simple.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

Gold's where you find it. Well, that's the bottom line, Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[John Reeves]

And. And. But once you make a discovery, let's use load gold, which is still in the rock, plaster gold. What we do is then eroded out of the rock and is in the concentrates on bedrock. And you. You got to wash it and sift it and sluice it and. But load gold, you got to crush to get the gold out of the rock. And so from the moment of discovery until you produce it out of that gold mine, it takes average 29 years.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[John Reeves]

29 years to go from finding it to having an operating gold mine or copper mine or lead mine or silver mine or zinc mine.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. That's crazy. What's really interesting, too, in this country is the story of the gold miners, like The San Francisco 49ers, the people that came across the. The. The. The country when they found out that they had struck gold. And that must have been a really wild time, a dangerous time, too, because you have the lawless west, and then you have a bunch of people who are just desperados who are pulling gold out of the ground. And that guy might have pulled enough gold out of the ground to literally pay for the rest of your life.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's right there, and no one's around.

[John Reeves]

I know a couple of guys. You couldn't tell. They could rub two sticks together. Good friend of mine bought a bank because the bank had a big vault. He had 3 tons of gold that he was. He was like a collector, a hoarder.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ.

[John Reeves]

He'd been mining for 40 years.

[Joe Rogan]

What is 3 tons of gold worth a lot? What is that worth? Jamie, this is crazy. Let's guess. Take a guess. I'm so dumb, I don't even know what that would mean. Well, I mean, three tons of gold.

[John Reeves]

Gotta remember there's a difference between a. If I was to ask you what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of gold, what would you tell me?

[Joe Rogan]

Pound is a pound.

[John Reeves]

You'd be wrong. Because there's 16 ounces in a pound of feathers and there's 12 ounces different ounces in a pound of gold.

[Joe Rogan]

How come?

[John Reeves]

Just the way it is.

[Joe Rogan]

So when you buy a pound of gold, you're not getting 16 ounces.

[John Reeves]

You're getting 12. 12 troy ounces.

[Joe Rogan]

What nationality invented that? I don't want to go full Kanye here. The value of 3 tons of gold depends on the current market value of gold, which is constantly changing. As of now 2023, 1 ton of pure 24 karat gold was worth about 55 million. Wow. This dude had 3 tons of gold. He had 100 fucking 60 million dollars. 165 million dollars in gold just laying around.

[John Reeves]

That's what him and his wife did. That was what they did.

[Joe Rogan]

That is so nuts. So this was just pure gold that he had made into ingots.

[John Reeves]

It's placer gold. It's kind of. We have. He was on my ground, and he would melt it and refine it if you wanted to get 24 karat. But it generally runs about 85% pure in its form on my creeks. So if you found a 1 ounce nugget, 85% of that's probably 24 karat.

[Joe Rogan]

What's the biggest nugget you've ever found?

[John Reeves]

33 ounces. Whoa.

[Joe Rogan]

What does that look like?

[John Reeves]

Looks like a whale, actually.

[Joe Rogan]

How big is it, like in your hand?

[John Reeves]

I got a picture of it on my page.

[Joe Rogan]

My daughter's holding it like an old school flip phone. About that big.

[John Reeves]

It's almost this big.

[Joe Rogan]

Almost as big as a cell phone. Like a iPhone. Almost like half of it.

[John Reeves]

Nine, seven, eight.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn.

[John Reeves]

It looks. If you hold it one way, it looks like a whale. You flip it over, it looks like a dolphin.

[Joe Rogan]

And now how much is a piece of gold like that worth right now?

[John Reeves]

Well, because it looks like something. It's called character. So if you have. If you have a nugget that looks like a whale or a dolphin, it generally goes for four or five times world market.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[John Reeves]

So if gold is $3,000 an ounce, that would be 12 to 15,000 for that character that you're buying. If you find a nugget that looks like a heart, no limit.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? Yeah, it's suckers, a bunch of suckers out there. What about one that looks like a demon?

[John Reeves]

That's big money. You find one that looks like a pile of dog shit, you're gonna get spot market.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you gotta find one that looks like a skull.

[John Reeves]

Oh, you find a skull, oh boy. Oh, they'll be knocking your door.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, the people, the real nutty ones.

[John Reeves]

They'Ll be looking for the.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, the rich occultists would want it part of their collection.

[John Reeves]

But every, every little nugget has some kind of or bigger nugget has some kind of character that you keep looking for. Like, what's this look like?

[Joe Rogan]

That makes sense. That makes sense. Did you study the history of gold mining in this country before you got involved?

[John Reeves]

Not really, no. No, I've been gold mining and I knew how to do it. I wasn't worth a shit, but I'm getting better at it.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's a crazy way to make a living. You're pulling the most precious thing. Like the thing that's probably other than diamonds, which is kind of manufactured. Right. There's probably a lot more diamonds than the value suggests. Don't they hoard them up so that it keeps the price high? Yeah, they do that. Right. Very smart.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. De Beers controls.

[Joe Rogan]

What nationality does that?

[John Reeves]

De Beers. But, but you bring up an interesting point. The history of gold mining.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

People don't. They don't even know how entrenched in our everyday lingo gold mining terms are. I'll give you an example.

[Joe Rogan]

Struck it rich.

[John Reeves]

Struck it rich. He hit the mother load, right guys into. He doesn't know the difference between shit and shinola.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, what's that?

[John Reeves]

And shinola is gold.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[John Reeves]

You can't tell the difference between and shinola.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought it was like poop versus shoe polish.

[John Reeves]

Shinola's gold.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't Shinola shoe polish?

[John Reeves]

I don't know. I never had a pair of shoes ahead. Shinola.

[Joe Rogan]

I think shinola is a shoe polish.

[John Reeves]

Jamie, don't turn it on.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm just. I'm 90. Sure. Shinola is, but I don't know which one came first. Like shinola might have come after the gold term. You know, it might be a recent corporation.

[John Reeves]

Could be.

[Joe Rogan]

But I think shinola is like an old school one. Like I kind of. I mean, maybe I'm having a fake memory, but I kind of remember of it in high school. Like shoe polish.

[John Reeves]

But after Today is now. You know, it's gold now.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, in. In Gold Rush terms. Gold, like every culture has its own little lingo. Yeah, Right.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it. Is it a shoe polish, Jamie? It is. How long has it been around? They could have stole that from gold.

[John Reeves]

Going bust.

[Joe Rogan]

Going bust?

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought that was a gambling term. I thought that was. But it could be both, right?

[John Reeves]

Probably. I mean, it's those kind of things in our language. Like pay dirt.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. You know, you hit pay dirt, right?

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. You hit gold in the dirt.

[John Reeves]

The. The way I've heard shit and shinola was shits. Shit, shits, Bedrock, Schist. Sorry.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I see.

[John Reeves]

Shist and shinola.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, shift.

[John Reeves]

My goal is found in schist.

[Joe Rogan]

That actually makes more sense than in shinola. You can't tell the difference between. And shoe polish. Don't you smell it? Right.

[John Reeves]

I ain't never seen a shoe with shoe polish.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? You've never seen a shoe with shoe polish?

[John Reeves]

I actually had to wear them in high school. My. My parents put me in a reform school.

[Joe Rogan]

I have to wear them when I dress up. I wear polished shoes.

[John Reeves]

I saw you dressed up here recently.

[Joe Rogan]

I dress up. I look like a monkey with a suit on. That's what I look like when I get dressed up.

[John Reeves]

Look pretty sharp. And I saw what you were wearing.

[Joe Rogan]

I felt like a fraud whenever I wear a suit. Like, what are you doing? What is this? What is this thing you're wearing?

[John Reeves]

Look pretty good.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you very much. Thank you.

[John Reeves]

Yep. Yeah, it's hard for me. I. I shop at the same place. Federman shops.

[Joe Rogan]

Fetterman's an animal. He goes to the inauguration. A pair of shorts and a hoodie. I like that Carhartt hoodie on and a pair of shorts and didn't give a like. And he's a genuine guy. He's a very nice guy.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, I kind of like the guy.

[Joe Rogan]

I like the guy a lot. I saw him when I was there. I gave him a hug, talked to him. He was very friendly. I don't like that he said no. He's going to vote no on Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. I think that's terrible, but I'm biased, obviously. I like both of them very much.

[John Reeves]

And they're both in, if I'm not mistaken.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know how this works, man. I'm confused about this whole process. I'm confused about what's legal, what's not legal, what you can and can't do, what these executive orders can and can't do. I'm confused how they closed the problem with the border down in three days. They just basically like completely put a stop to all the illegal coming in, except for like a hundred people a day. It was thousands a day. It was just an overrun of people coming through every day. And they stopped it. And they said you couldn't stop it. They negotiate. He negotiated with Canada and with Mexico to ramp up their border, stop the fentanyl from coming in. Like, all this stuff seems so common sense that it's just amazing to me that people don't look at that like no one is going to trust you if all you talk about is the bad side from the other side. If you don't say, this is good, this is good for all of us. If you don't say that, if you don't acknowledge. Are you rooting against America? Because, like, when good things happen, do you not want them to happen because a Republican is president? Because that's a very un American way to look at things. And I think that's where we're at these days. I think there's a giant chunk of our population that is so wrapped up in these social media squabbles and owning people online and talking shit and listen to videos and tiktoks. They're so wrapped up in this us versus them shit that they can't see that we're supposed to all be in this together. And even if you don't like that guy, if Trump gets in and he does something that's awesome for the country, you should say that's awesome for the country. Yeah, it's really good that terrorists aren't sneaking into our southern border. That's really good. It's really good that they find all the fucking criminals that are taking over apartment buildings in Aurora, Colorado and root them out. Yeah, that's really good. They should deport them. Yeah, they're fucking criminals that shouldn't. We shouldn't have to deal with that. Yeah, maybe we should fix everything that's going on in North Carolina. Yeah, that's. That's good for everybody. It's like there's things. These things are common sense.

[John Reeves]

That's because it's gotten so bad now that the only reason to run for politics used to be to make the money, not just get re elected. And it's the first thing they try to do when they get elected is start getting reelected.

[Joe Rogan]

They're making so much money.

[John Reeves]

Oh, look at the money.

[Joe Rogan]

When you look at the amount of money some of those Congress people are Worth. And you're like, you tell me how. You tell me how you make $180,000 a year and you were 30 million. You tell me how. You tell me how. There's. I can't find a way that makes any sense because you should be really busy, right? So if you should be really Busy doing this $180,000 a year job, you, who has time to have a side hustle that pays you ten times more, who has time? Who's doing that?

[John Reeves]

It's. That's the only reason I can think of that people would want to get into that game.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think a lot of people like being the boss. There's a lot of that. And a lot of people just want to be that person. And when you're in a competition, right, A hierarchy based status competition, like the President of the United States, like, everybody wants to be in that spot where everybody calls you sir and everybody shakes your hand and foreign leaders want to meet. You want to feel important. They all do. They can pretend they don't. They all like it. That's why they do it. Otherwise they wouldn't want their whole life exposed like that and digging into your past and distortions of your character and outright lies, anything to destroy you all over television because they're trying to win an election. If they weren't the person that wants that spot, they wouldn't do it. That's why we don't get good leaders. We don't get. We don't get people who you would like, really want to do it, other than Trump. And with that guy, it's like he's kind of a psycho.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, he doesn't need the money. He's not doing it for the money.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I'm sure it helps that you can make money doing it, you know, not from the salary, but from a lot of other stuff. Like, it elevates his, his social profile for sure. It makes him more popular, which is part of the, the brand of Donald Trump. But, like, didn't he famously not even get a paycheck? Yeah, yeah.

[John Reeves]

He donates his check to some organization that's fucking.

[Joe Rogan]

And then there's this other thing about Elon. Elon's gonna steal everybody's money. He has $400 billion. I'm telling you, he's not gonna steal your money. I'm telling you, that's not what he's doing. What he's doing is he's a super genius that's been fucked with, okay? And when you've been fucked with by these nitwits that hide behind three letter agencies, and you're dealing with one of the smartest people alive. And he helps Donald Trump get into office. And he goes, I want to find out what kind of corruption is really around. Well, you fucked up. You fucked up and picked the wrong psychopath on the spectrum because he's gonna fucking. He's gonna hunt you down. He's gonna find out what's going on. And that's good. That's good for everybody. That's how you should be looking at this. Like, wow, we have a brilliant mind that is examining these really corrupt and goofy systems and bringing in a bunch of psychopath wizards.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, well, AOC is the one that says he's. He's the most unintelligent person she's ever met.

[Joe Rogan]

Did she really say that?

[John Reeves]

She really said that. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

I want to meet her friends. They're probably cool. Imagine the conversation you'd have with her friends if he's the most unintelligent person she's ever met. Wow, her friends must be amazing. I want to go to one of those parties. It's probably just like, fascinating person after fascinating person.

[John Reeves]

Well, I wonder what she's worth. And Nancy Pelosi, I think, is way up there in a multiple. Multiple million.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, she's psychic. I don't know if you know this. She's really good at the stock market. Like, basically she meditates and she just sees it. She sees how it's gonna happen. She should teach that, huh?

[John Reeves]

There's a few honest ones, sure.

[Joe Rogan]

There's plenty of honest. Just like there's plenty of teachers who don't get students drunk. The problem is not the honest ones. The problem is the ones that aren't honest. And there's a ton of them, and they don't get rooted out because the system is so corrupt. Probably one of the most unintelligent billionaires I've ever met, seen, or witnessed from aoc. Well, you know, this guy is one of the most morally vacant but also just least knowledgeable about these systems that we know of. She said, wow, she used to own a Tesla car. Damn. She don't own a Tesla anymore. Has a history of public disagreements with Mr. Musk, particularly over his Department of Government efficiency. This team has been examining government spending, which has drawn sharp criticism from Democrats. Last week, DOGE gained access to federal payment systems to help with its review, a move that many Democrats viewed as controversial. Ms. Ocasio Cortez was particularly critical of the involvement of young staffers, saying they don't do their homework clearly. And adding that 19 year olds were being placed in key positions at the Treasury Department. I love it. Get those Internet wizards on the case. Only he would do that because he understands Internet culture and he understands geniuses. He understands a lot of these people have like these super brains. They're 19 and they're like one of those kids. He was from Omaha. He figured out a way to use AI to decode burnt scrolls.

[John Reeves]

My son Kinsey works for Palo Alto. He's got a master's degree in cyber security. He's working on another one. Masters in AI.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow.

[John Reeves]

And after talking to him and seeing what he's doing, he did his master's thesis on hacking satellites. And when I heard that, I thought, you know, that puts a whole new light on bitcoin for me.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah.

[John Reeves]

I'm going, I like gold. It's in your hand. You can see it, you can hold it, you can feel it. But here, I brought you some bitcoins. Catch. I just three or 20 of them.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, as soon as you have real quantum computing where they can run actual programs on it, you're not going to have encryption anymore or you're going to have to have some new kind of encryption that we never anticipated before that like maybe turn on and off. And it's going to have to be something that the computer doesn't have access to somehow or another, maybe possibly like independent of a system. But independent of a system, how would it even communicate with you if it's electronic, if it has WI fi, like it's going to get into it. There's no. You're not going to be able to stop something that's infinitely more intelligent than any human being from deciphering any kind of goofy ass encryption. You have some fucking stupid Apple complex password that it picked for you.

[John Reeves]

See, I, I'm just not. I just don't understand it. I mean, for two years bitcoin went after the gold miners saying, why that's dumb. Why would you invest in gold when you can invest in bitcoin? So I don't have a problem with bitcoin. I mean the guys that are making money on are making banks. They're doing great.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm telling you. We need a boneyard. We need a boneyard coin.

[John Reeves]

We do.

[Joe Rogan]

How about a boneyard coin? Just don't do a pump and dump. That's the key. You can have your own money.

[John Reeves]

Can we make it out?

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie and I have been talking about it.

[John Reeves]

Can we make a real. Make it out of Gold.

[Joe Rogan]

Real ones? Yeah.

[John Reeves]

One pennyweight coins. There's 20 pennywise in an ounce.

[Joe Rogan]

And there's an opening right now because Trump just banned the penny.

[John Reeves]

It's about time. Each one of those pennies is worth about 6 cents.

[Joe Rogan]

2 cents. It costs us 2 cents to make.

[John Reeves]

To make it. Yeah. But the copper itself.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[John Reeves]

Oh, yeah. You got to mine it.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? So each penny is worth six cents?

[John Reeves]

I'm going to say five cents.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

Because he added two cents to it.

[Joe Rogan]

So you actually could profit from melting pennies.

[John Reeves]

People been collecting pennies for a long time.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But melting them down to sell it for raw copper is actually profit.

[John Reeves]

What's the price of copper these days? And you can figure out how many ounces, how many pennies makes a pound.

[Joe Rogan]

I remember when I was doing construction, one of the sites that one of the guys had got robbed where they stole all the copper pipes. And I was like, what? How much is copper worth?

[John Reeves]

It's worth a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

I would have never imagined that US pennies were made of 2.5% copper and 97.5% zinc.

[John Reeves]

That's the modern penny.

[Joe Rogan]

Penny contains a small amount of copper that's plated on top of a zinc base. Oh, interesting.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. But that's today's penny. Not today.

[Joe Rogan]

From 1982. They were made in 95 copper.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. So in the 80s, they were real pennies. So if you get one of them old pennies, that's a valuable penny. You weigh. A penny determines copper. Zinc. A copper penny weighs 3.11 grams, while zinc penny weighs 2.5. Interesting. Yeah. Coins are weird. Like, enough of that. I. I know it's stupid because you are like a part of the system and you can't control. But I love paying for things with my phone. I love going looking in my face and pressing on the register and thank you.

[John Reeves]

I see guys do it all the time. I don't know how to do it.

[Joe Rogan]

I love it. It's like, I feel like I'm living in the future. It's my favorite. It's so irrational. It's my favorite thing to do is to pay for with my phone. I could pay. I would pay for everything with my phone if I could.

[John Reeves]

I used to in Jacksonville.

[Joe Rogan]

Just use your face, touch it, and it pays for anything. I love. I'm so stupid. I love the little check that comes up. Oh, yay, I paid for it.

[John Reeves]

You go through a drive through to get food and you see the guy in front of you aiming his phone at somebody inside.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

You don't see any cash flying around.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. It's weird.

[John Reeves]

It is weird.

[Joe Rogan]

It's weird because, like, who's controlling it? And if you have the same sort of oversight that you had with all the stuff that Doge is showing, where it's all this corruption and waste and a hundred billion dollars is missing from Ukraine and, like, what would you do? How many. How much money did you spend on these charging stations and how many have made all that kind of stuff? If you. If you look at all, if that's all applied to money, too, and it's digital money. Like, how do I know where you have it, if you even have it? Right? Because this is part of the problem with money in banks, that they don't really have all the money that you put in there. Like, if you put in $10 million to a bank, guess what? They don't have $10 million to give you. Like, if you say, I want my $10 million back, that's a process. Like, they had it. You have to get it. They're going to really try to discourage you. It's. You can't get it that day. There's gonna be a lot of things have to happen if you show up at a bank and you're fucking Jeff Bezos or something, where they're not worried about where it came from, and you want to deposit $10 million and you have a bag and you're wheeling in on, like, a luggage cart, and it's $10 million, and they count it and they put it in there. Yeah. But it's not there anymore. They're gonna do. They're gonna loan that out. They're gonna do stuff with it. They don't have it right there.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, no, no. It's all.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's all weird. Like, the whole economy is weird. Everything's weird because since we went off the gold standard, it's like, what. What is it based on? And how do you guys just print more of it every time you need something, every time you want to do something, just print more.

[John Reeves]

I'm old enough to know. And remember, if you were in a bank and a guy walks in wearing a fucking mask, usually had to hit the floor, right? But there's a bank I go to in Jacksonville where you walk in the bank and the tellers are wearing masks, I'm going, this ain't right. Like, what are you wearing a mask for?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're mentally ill. What are you.

[John Reeves]

Wearing a mask for?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think a lot of people weren't really doing well before COVID you know, there's a lot of people that are fragile. They're barely hanging on already. You know, a lot of people are, like, really anxious about diseases. I have friends that are like that. I know a few guys in the comedy community that really cracked during that time because they were already filled with anxiety, and some of them were already hypochondriacs, and they cracked. And they're not the same people anymore. Like, people don't want to hang out with them anymore. They're weird. Like, they're just. They're just broken. And they wear masks everywhere.

[John Reeves]

This one bank I went to, tellers wearing a mask. Next tell her over is not wearing a mask.

[Joe Rogan]

She's probably Republican. That's what it is. It's a maga hat. It's a Democrats maga hat.

[John Reeves]

And you see him driving around with the mask on.

[Joe Rogan]

That's my favorite. Well, that's. They're. They're meant. They might as well have fox ears on. They're mentally ill. And I went, you.

[John Reeves]

Know, we're out on the field, and we're out mining or the dust flying around. We have masks on.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but that's big. That's a big difference.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Fucking invisible viruses as you're driving your car. By the way, I think fox ears are more noble because if you put, like, little fox ears on, you're like one of those furries. At least you just having a good time.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, like, you're just having a good time. You like wearing fox ears. Who gives a shit? The mask is just stupid. It's just. What do you like smelling your own breath? What do you like not being able to breathe is good. What do you like? What do you like pretending that viruses can't get through those fucking gaping holes that are all around the outside of your face and through the fabric, which is the reason why you can breathe in the first place, you idiot.

[John Reeves]

Well, we made a bunch of masks with my logo on it. So, you know, you're wearing one of these logos on your face like that. Go yourself.

[Joe Rogan]

We had jre masks that we were selling during the pandemic, and Sanjay Gupta brought one in like it was a gotcha. Like, you sell masks, like. Yeah, because people have to wear them, not because they make sense. Yeah, they don't make any sense. You know, they don't make sense. Shut the fuck up. That was one of the weirdest beginnings of quote of COVID when I started really wondering how anybody could believe that this stupid surgical mask, which is supposed to stop like driplets of spit and food from your mouth dropping into a wound as you're operating. They're not supposed to protect you from viruses. That's not what they're there for. The fact that people started wearing those. And then some people were just wearing bandanas. And my favorite, which is maybe the dumbest of all time, people would wear that shield. So it's open air, open air. All this is open, and then there's a shield. And they would be walking down the street with a fucking shield over their face like, this is mental illness. That's all this is. This is not. This is us people responding to stress that they can't handle and they're freaking out. That's all this is. This isn't normal. And the more we allow this, the more we rationalize this and the more we. We enable this by not telling them they're ridiculous. Take your goddamn mask off when you come into the store. No, you can't come in the store like you're gonna rob it. It's 2025. Take that fucking stupid thing off. And the more you don't, you allow people to just continue with this delusion. They get in these social groups on. On Twitter and they talk about the power of the mask. And I feel so much better when I'm wearing a mask and, you know, I'm. I'm being safer for others. And they all agree with each other. I'm like, you're. You're all, you should be in an asylum. You should all go to Alaska and see what bears look like in the flat. You should go. Go salmon fishing. Get the fuck outside your house. You're sick.

[John Reeves]

Yep. Well, you know, I don't want to put a mask on because I'm pretty good looking and shit.

[Joe Rogan]

I hear you, bro.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. You know the problem? Jamie's pretty good looking, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Also. You're a giant. Like, you with a mask on is scary because it's like, what is he up to? Why is he covering his face? What's his plans?

[John Reeves]

Well, the doctor told me we had lunch with him about a week ago. He says, the one that told me quit smoking. He goes, when I first saw you, I was wondering, what the hell am I gonna do here? Because I'm sitting in there and he has no idea what my ailment is.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

And so I am a big guy, and the one benefit that came from this is I don't smoke. And I still do the CrossFit. Even though you look at me, you can't tell, but I've Been doing it for a while.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's great. Yeah, that's more important really than anything. I would say. If I had to choose between one thing that you should do to make yourself healthy, I would say exercise, maybe even over food. Yeah, I'd say maybe. It's close. It's real close. Food's probably, maybe, but now you gotta exercise too. It's almost. They're almost like cancel each other out or equal rather.

[John Reeves]

My trainer was. Megan was telling me that there's a difference between sick care and health care. And I said, what is it? She goes, well, sick care is when you're sick, you go to the doctor. Health care is your exercise, all the things you do to keep yourself healthy. You don't want to be sick.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

And we're not paying attention to the health care part.

[Joe Rogan]

You're right. So we got to get you fit. Fit. Got to get you dieting. We just got to get you to eat only meat. Try that.

[John Reeves]

Is that what they call the keto Carnivore? Carnivore.

[Joe Rogan]

Carnivore diet.

[John Reeves]

I could do that one.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the move, I'm telling you. Yeah, I do that. Whenever I do that, I feel way better. I do it like in sprints because I'm Italian and Italians love pizza and pasta. I love that. If I go to New York, I'm breaking my diet. I'm gonna get sandwiches from my man Giovanni's deli. I'm gonna, I'm gonna eat Italian food. I'm gonna go off. I need it every now and then. I just want to have it just for the.

[John Reeves]

Oh, you'd like to have eggs on that one?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you could have eggs. I eat eggs all the time. The whole idea is you're only eating animal products. You're. I don't eat anything else other than some fruit. I'll eat like an orange or a banana here and there. I'll have some blueberries with some yogurt. But the idea is what you're really doing is mostly eating meat. And so most of my diet is red meat. And when I eat like that, I feel so much better. I feel clear headed. I have more energy, it's more stable throughout the day. I feel like my brain functions better when I eat carbs. I just start getting sloppy, I start getting slow. It's like, I don't think there's anything wrong with carbohydrates, don't get me wrong. But I do think that they're really easy to over consume. And if you're A glutton, which I definitely am. I'm a glutton. I will eat two pizzas. If you give me some fucking good, some really good, like New York pizzas, I will eat two of those bitches. I will, I will eat until I'm sick. I just have always been like that. I always eat too much food. I just, I'm. I have an appetite that just, it just won't stop with pasta, but not with steak. Steak cuts you off. There's a thing about eating protein, steak, things like chicken, you don't eat too much of it. You eat enough and then you stop. You. It's. They have what's called a high satiety level. Like high protein foods have a very high satiety level. And so like I'll eat like a 16 ounce elk steak. I don't want to have nothing else. I'm good. But if there's spaghetti there and if there's some fucking macaroni and cheese, you know, if there's potato salad, if there's a little. Then I'll start, keep. I'll keep going, I'll keep eating. And then I'll have way more calories really than I need with the same amount of nutrients. The thing is, like, for performance, for like athletes, I don't think the carnivore diet's the right way to go. I think you should supplement with. There's nothing wrong with. I don't think there's anything wrong with rice. I don't think there's anything wrong with, with vegetables. I don't think there's anything wrong with fruit. I think the real problem with a lot of people is pastas and breads and, and just processed food and garbage. You know, I think we're just eating poison most of the day. I think if you can just eat regular whole food, I think you're better off. But I think you gotta. Even now I think you have to clean your rice because I've been. I keep hearing about rice having glyphosate on it. Is that, is that true? They were. I was reading this thing about rice being. I know it's the case with corn and wheat. They think that's why some people have what they perceive to be a gluten sensitivity. But they really probably are getting sick from glyphosate, which is so crazy to think, but it sounds nuts. But then they've tested people and they found out the group that they tested, 90% of them had traceable levels of glyphosate in their blood. Glyphosate drift to rice. A problem for us all. Yeah, here it is. This is from 2011. Fuck. Damage inflicted by derelict glyphosate during this period is often invisible and not noticed until harvest damage is characterized by significantly decreased yields and milling. The rice often exhibits the first signal that has been hit with a drift kernel shaped like a parrot's beak. This is so dark. And then you eat it. Yay. Yay. Like, it's like, you know, the reality is farming. And I'm no farmer, right? Be clear. I don't know what I'm talking about, but I've talked to a bunch of farmers. I've talked to, you know, these guys like Joel Salatin who runs that poly face farms, or Will Harris, who wants white runs white oak pastures. These guys who run these regenerative farms. What they're saying makes sense. They're saying the other way is suicide. The other way is bad for the land, it's bad for the people, it's bad for the environment using tons of chemicals. The way to do it is the way nature has been doing it for millions of fucking years. You have a bunch of cows, they shit in the grass. You have a bunch of pigs, they root things up. You have a bunch of chickens, they eat all the bugs. Everybody lives together. Everybody. Nutrient, nutrient, nutrient rich soil. They're all like a part of this complete system, this complete ecological system, and it's carbon neutral. They say that when they raise cows like that, they actually sequester carbon. The question is, can you feed everybody in LA and New York like that? I don't think so. So it's like, what did we do? We got so far ahead of ourselves that it seems like we've have this requirement for food that almost demands this kind of crazy farming. That's where it's fucked. Because if they don't farm like that, if everybody has to go to like a Joel Salatin Will Harris model, is there enough land to grow enough meat like that? Is there enough land to let all the pigs loose? Is there enough land to have all the chickens just roaming around? Is there enough land for that? I don't know.

[John Reeves]

There's some big farms on the way over that we saw coming across.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of people eating. There's a single farm in LA and there's 20 million hungry people just scarfing up food all day long. And you need all these farms out there just constantly making life forms for people to consume. It's really a crazy, crazy thing that we've done because We've like completely overpopulated areas where they don't grow any food. It's like the dumbest strategy of all time. We rely 100% on transportation.

[John Reeves]

That's right. And you know, people say, oh, there's a revolution coming. It's here. I mean, the revolution is here. What we're seeing right now is history being made. Because the people that have been taken advantage of forever, in my opinion are the people that are out there producing. The farmers, the miners and the guys that I think really control have their hand on the throttle of this country. If they ever decide to take their hand off the throttle is the truckers. Without the truckers, nobody eats.

[Joe Rogan]

You're right.

[John Reeves]

Nobody. You get nothing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that. Those are the people that are going to suffer the most with AI, AI and automation. Once they have those Tesla trucks that can just drive themselves, they never get into car accidents. Those fucking things are everywhere. You never have to worry about them staying up all night and whether or not they're going to make a mistake behind the wheel. Once they get that totally dialed in, we're gonna have a real problem. That's gonna be a real problem because you're gonna have so many people at work and so many people that are gonna say, hey, figure it out. Well, they've been delivering your stuff. You've been depending upon them. Every Amazon package you order, every time you get anything delivered to your house, anytime you're moving, anytime, anytime you're relying on truck drivers. And that job's just gonna go away.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's a lot of people. I think. Didn't we looked up the number of people that drive trucks or drive that do that are drivers. Whether it's taxi drive. I think they put them all together like people who drive for a living. I think it's more than a million. They got more than a million just truck drivers. That's crazy. Like that one invention will put a million people out of work.

[John Reeves]

I don't know. It's going to have to be an awful big truck to handle.

[Joe Rogan]

All copper. Have you seen those Tesla trucks?

[John Reeves]

Not the big ones.

[Joe Rogan]

They're just the beginning. The ones that they have now are just the beginning. United states is over 3.5 million professional truck drivers. But the trucking industry is facing a shortage of drivers. Wow. So they need more. They have over 3.5 million and they need more. Google Tesla semi. This thing's crazy looking. This looks like something straight out of a science fiction movie. It's a giant electric go to images. It looks like something out of a science fiction movie. It's a giant electric truck. It makes no noise other than the tire. Like, you hear the tires rolling around the ground, you don't hear any. That's the. Look at the seat of this thing. Two screens, and it drives itself. And they're going to be really good at driving themselves. Like right now, they're really good, but they're going to be really, really, really good. They're going to be better than people, so they're not going to make any mistakes and they're going to be safe. And as long as all their sensors are working and as long as all their equipment is reliable, they'll be better at detecting accidents and stopping accidents and avoiding things than people are.

[Jamie]

Elon said today they're going to start the driverless Teslas in Austin in June.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, for taxi cabs. Yeah, bro. How long before they get attacked by the Free Palestine people? That's the other thing we found out through all this Doge stuff. How many. How much of this stuff that you see that you think is organic? These, these riots and protests, how much of that is funded? How much of that is. How much are we paying for the decisions that are costing us? That, like, how much we're spending money to, like, $27 million went to the George Soros DA fund. That's so crazy. That's more than he puts in. We were paying to get shitty DA's elected. It's nuts. And anybody who doesn't think it's nuts, it's like, listen, you're not paying attention. You're captured. You must be captured by. And this is not saying that USA doesn't do good things. I'm sure they do do, but the amount of things that they do that are ridiculous are. This should concern you. And if it doesn't concern you, we're talking nonsense. We're not having a real conversation.

[John Reeves]

That's what I don't get about the blues and the reds. Yeah, there's got to be some people on the blue side to go. It's a good idea that we're doing this. Yeah, what he's doing is a good idea, because we're squandering a lot of money.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of people like that, but they're quiet because the blues will come for you.

[John Reeves]

I don't know if you noticed, but after the election, at least in my opinion, for myself, I had the right to make an opinion again. I could have an opinion. Yes, I can have an opinion.

[Joe Rogan]

Finally.

[John Reeves]

Finally, I can have an opinion. After four fucking years.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that weird? It did really feel like that. Like the consciousness of the country was like a rat. Like we're gonna rat on you. You couldn't just have fun and talk about things. You couldn't have an opinion that wasn't like, like read out of mainstream news. You had a 100% toe the line or you were attacked.

[John Reeves]

I. I put in one post. I put, I have an opinion. I'm going to use it again. I think we should sink every commercial whaling ship in the ocean. Send them a Davy Jones locker.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you get a lot of support behind that? You get a lot of support from the environmental people too.

[Jamie]

There's a pushback on that 27 million George Soros stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh really? What's the pushback?

[Jamie]

That it's not true.

[Joe Rogan]

What do they say?

[Jamie]

There's a long tweet if you want me to bring.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure, bring it up.

[John Reeves]

I thought it was 58 million. That's all.

[Jamie]

It's on the side of the page here though.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. The claim that Mike Benz establishes in his research is that US aid paid out $27 million in grants to the Tide Foundation. Be the Tides foundation is a major funder of the Soros back group. Fair and Just Prosecution. Ben's frames this as though it's evidence of US aid funding. Fair and Just Prosecution. That seems like it is. This framing only works. You have no idea what the Tides foundation is or how large foundations like it operate. Tides is an intermediary funder, meaning that it facilitates grants from or originating granters. The money people to receive grantees. The people getting the money. If you're a big organization like usaid, you don't give money to Tides to do with it what they will. You forward money through Tides to a specific recipient of your choosing. Why do you send your money through middlemen instead of giving it directly? For the same reason people always use middlemen to facilitate contracts. Because middlemen know how to deal with paperwork to supervise contracts and so on. Did USA give money to fjp? You can figure that out quickly for yourself. Go to usaspending.gov said keyword tides and awarding agency to USAID. Click submit go to tab Grants tab. You will see four grants open each one, the lion's share of US AIDS money came to a single grant of 24.6 million. If you click through you see it is described as a Civil Society Innovation Initiative Fiscal Agent. Read that. That sounds Orwellian. Civil Society Innovation Initiative Fiscal Agent. The fiscal agent description means that the Tide center acted as a middleman for the government's money. The Civil Society Innovation Initiative was the end recipient. Already the FJP USAID link has been broken. But what else can we say about this grant? Well, that doesn't seem like it's been broken. That seems like you've given this money to an agency or to this. This group. It doesn't. You haven't disproven that this group is attached to. Soros says first off, CS2 was awarded the GR in 2016. FJP. The Soros. Org was founded a year later in 2017. Still doesn't mean they don't work together now. And it doesn't mean that he wasn't a part of the people that were. I mean, like it's. I'm not saying he is, and I'm not saying he was, but I'm saying this is not disproving anything. As far as I can tell by googling, there has never been any organizational affiliation between the two organizations. Okay, by googling, that's it. You just googled. I want you to google vaccine injuries and tell me if there's any good luck. Good luck. COVID 19 vaccine injuries. Tell me you can decide everything that you need to know about COVID 19 vaccine injuries by a Google search. You're not going to. Right? Okay, so by googling, there's never been any organizational affiliation between the two organizations. CS2's work appears to be funding civil society organizations, CSOs abroad. What does that mean? As far as I can tell, that's a little vague. It mainly means they give money out to nonprofits in foreign countries to do things like monitor and fight disease spread, monitor human rights abuses. This sounds a little like whitewashing, promoting digital security and so on. They do only good things, John. They definitely don't get involved in shady characters that are trying to rewrite the way our legal system deals with violent criminals.

[John Reeves]

Nah, I've never understood Soros.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't get it either. Elon Musk hates him. I, you know, I have a limited amount of knowledge, but I do know that he spends a lot of money on these like super progressive liberal DA's. I don't know whether or not Mike Benz, who's gonna be here soon, can really trace that 27 million. I'll ask him, but the end of the line is like this is all vague. Like what is that? What's that 24 million going to like what? What? It might be going to fight diseases? It might be go or sure or you don't Know how about you don't know? And all was Google whether or not those people know each other, that's crazy. Doesn't mean they do it. Doesn't mean it's corrupt. It doesn't mean it goes to Soros funds. But you didn't disprove it.

[John Reeves]

Well, that's. Anymore. You can't hardly tell what's true. I mean, the rumors that are floating around are. Is it AI? Is it true? Is it. What am I looking at?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, a lot of AI stuff.

[John Reeves]

And the rumors. I've. We're talking about rumors on the drive, and I'm going. Sometimes you just can't do anything about them. You just got to let them run. And then if you can improve them, if you're involved in it, improve it somehow to make it a better rumor. One of the most recent rumors, and I was looking, talking to Drew this morning, the. The rumor that Elon Musk was going to put four commercials on the super bowl about Doge and all the things that. Fine things they're doing. Yeah, he didn't do that.

[Joe Rogan]

I wonder if that's even legal.

[John Reeves]

That was fake news.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But that seems like if you can make a stylish video about. I wonder if that's legal. Right. Like, I don't know what the rules are. I don't even know if it should be legal. Like, what are the rules in terms of. If you're. If you're involved in some sort of a government agency or a government discovery agency, which is like what Doge is. Right. If you're involved in that, like, would you be able to propagandize to the people, even in a positive way, even if it's true? Like, make a video showing how amazing a job you're doing and do it in a cinematic way that makes it compelling. That seems like a lot of influence, right?

[John Reeves]

Yeah. Supposedly he was going to spend 40 million on it or something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But that's just the Internet.

[John Reeves]

I know, it's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't even ask him. And then I went online looking for them.

[John Reeves]

Well, I was thinking every. At least there's going to be one a quarter. Didn't see one in the first quarter, in the second quarter of the half, and by then the game was kind of over.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's like when Everybody thought that JFK Jr. Was going to come back to life and show up in Dallas.

[John Reeves]

And yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There'S a lot of those online that you have to wonder what those are, because I used to think, oh, there's just some Idiot made this up. But now I'm more inclined to think that some of that is just more disinformation that's designed to muddy the waters of truth. And the more of that, the better. The more it makes it easy to, like, move stuff around and you forget about other things, like, what's Benghazi? I got this to worry about. And there's, like, always some new thing that's popping up everywhere, and it's, like, keep you distracted completely. Trump's gonna have four commercials about how Elon Musk. No, nothing. Not one commercial.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

I did think it was interesting that Taylor Swift got booed.

[John Reeves]

We talked about that. There's.

[Joe Rogan]

That was crazy Max.

[John Reeves]

And Max and Drew out there was Saying it's because 75% of the people were Phillies fans in that stadium. I don't know. Could be fake news.

[Joe Rogan]

The dude tweeted, I hate Taylor Swift.

[John Reeves]

Jesus Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

So ridiculous. Imagine, like, you being the people that are around him, and you see that tweet like, oh, take his phone away. Satire. The claim about Elon spending $40 million on ads for the super bowl originated from the Tick Tock account, Brian Banjo. Brian Banjo is a satire account. Okay, so people just ran with it. There you go.

[Jamie]

The wrong date on it, apparently.

[Joe Rogan]

That makes sense. That makes sense.

[John Reeves]

I saw a clip this morning with George Lucas was saying that he filmed the moon landing.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you mean Stanley Kubrick.

[John Reeves]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That is an actor that's doing that, and that's why it's like, a really close cropped footage of him. You don't, like, zoom in. He doesn't quite look like Kubrick, but he looks like a weird old guy with a beard. And so if you don't know what Kubrick looks like.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, it's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, not Kubrick, but if anybody faked the moon landing, it was that guy.

[John Reeves]

What about Buzz Aldrin? Have you. He. I think he came out and said, no, I would know. We didn't land there.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he said some weird stuff. But the weird stuff you could attribute to, like, Biden type weird stuff. Like, when you get old, sometimes the. The old dome don't work so good, and your words come out goofy, like he was talking to that young girl because it didn't happen. We never went like, he said something weird like that. But I think as a conspiracy theorist, I want to believe that that's him letting everybody know that's not nearly as interesting as the. The Neil Armstrong one. The Neil Armstrong one is crazy. And this is at the 25th anniversary of the moon landing. He gives a speech in front of America's best and brightest high school students. And instead of saying, I went to the moon. It was amazing, he gives the most cryptic explanation for what they have to do in order to progress in science. Play it for me, Jamie, because when you see it, when you listen to it, you're like, what the fuck is he saying? And why would you ever say that when you're giving a speech to the best high school students in the country at the White House, why would you say this? Like, play. On the anniversary of the event in 1994, Neil Armstrong made a rare public appearance and held back tears as he spoke these brief, cryptic remarks before the next generation of taxpayers as they toured the White House. Today, we have with us a group of students among America's best. Best. To you, we say, we have only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas, undiscovered breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. What the fuck does that mean? Breakthroughs for those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. Truth's protective layers. What the fuck does that mean? Like, why would you say that? That is so cryptic. I don't care what reasonable explanations you have, that is undeniably cryptic. And if you're a person that did something in 1969 that no one's come even close to recreat creating today, it's a little weird. Yeah, it's a little weird. And that's just part of what's a little weird about it. It's a little weird that it's got almost a religious connotation to it, where people want to believe in it. Like they believe in the resurrection. They want to believe in it despite any evidence. I believe in the Resurrection more. How about that?

[John Reeves]

Take that rumor and twist it around however you want. Make it. Make it something you can do.

[Joe Rogan]

The moon landing one. I'm like, I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know. But if I had a guess, I don't think so. And then what's really weird is we had that Bart Sabrill guy on. That was his documentary, Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon. He was showing us some footage where the Russians had used AI to do an analysis on some of the photos from the moon. And they said that they were deceptive. So they use AI on all these other images. It can shows like. Like a high 90% accuracy whether or not something's been with. And they're like, these are all. These have been monkeyed with. It's all edited.

[John Reeves]

You don't know what to believe. I mean, I just saw a clip yesterday with my voice again, talking about selling.

[Joe Rogan]

I sent you something. I sent you one of them.

[John Reeves]

Oh, yeah. No, it has you and me in it talking like this. And we're talking about some space enterprise with star ships and shit. I'm going, how do they do this?

[Joe Rogan]

They can do a whole podcast with your voice. Now, not only could they do a whole podcast with your voice, AI could generate the content. Like, you'd say, I want to talk to John Reeves about biological evolution and what the current state of science is and what the future holds for us.

[John Reeves]

And that'll be used in the clip that we're going to see within a week. Probably your voice.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably because they could make a one hour podcast with you just relaying the current state of the art and science. It's really wild. And it's probably going to get worse. Like, it's going to be. It's going to be so good that I'm going to think it's you or I'm going to think it's me. I'm like, maybe I forgot about that one.

[John Reeves]

You know, as I get older, you know, I forget. And I think it's true.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that's a defense mechanism.

[John Reeves]

I don't want to remember. I don't want to remember that one. I'll forget about that one. But, you know, we. We both made it around one more time. Around the sun.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

And it's been an unbelievable year. You know, the. What we've both seen in the last.

[Joe Rogan]

Year, it's definitely been a. It's a wild time to be alive, right?

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Filled with turmoil.

[John Reeves]

I think it's also because it's so quick, the information that you can get, it's coming at you from every direction.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

Instantly.

[Joe Rogan]

Instantly.

[John Reeves]

But in 1920, that wasn't happening.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[John Reeves]

Wasn't happening in 1880.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[John Reeves]

It was like, you didn't know. Like, when Seward bought Alaska, you didn't know why he did that. Everybody said, seward's Folly. How about Seward's Genius?

[Joe Rogan]

They thought it was a bad deal.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. $7 million for Alaska.

[Joe Rogan]

That's. That's so funny.

[John Reeves]

Two cents an acre. Now, let me tell you something. A guy named Klaus Nasky, who's a doctor of history at the University of Alaska, I used to teach his kid how to swim. Him and I were at a social function someplace and we Were talking and we're talking about the purchase of Alaska. And he goes, you know why we did that, right? I said, well, yeah, Seward wanted to buy it and 7 million bucks. He goes, yeah, we gave $7 million to Russia. I said, okay, that's. Yeah, they sold it to us. He goes, why do you think they did that? I said, I don't know. They said, it's because the seals were gone. You know, they had gotten all the seals trade done. He goes, that's not why. During the Civil War, Russia blockaded Charleston harbor with their warships, and it helped the north win the Civil War. And a bill for that was $7 million. And they knew they couldn't just go out to America and say, yeah, the Russians helped us win the Civil War.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[John Reeves]

This is what he told me, Doctor of History. And I said the same thing. He goes, yeah. He goes, nobody talks about it. Nobody even mentions it. But Russia took the 7 million and they gave us Alaska. That'll justify this $7 million.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. What do you think about the idea that the United States taking over Canada?

[John Reeves]

Well, it makes Alaska the third largest fucking state. First we got to get Greenland. Let's get Greenland. So we got them surrounded kind of.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought he was just joking around about Canada, but he seems serious.

[John Reeves]

Well, I think Drew. And Drew was talking about this the other day. Canada's got seven. I'm not sure how many provinces, but they're different. And so what they might want to do is make seven new states. Because the people in Alberta do different stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

Than the people.

[Joe Rogan]

And you can't just have the state of Canada.

[John Reeves]

No, because it'd be like LA and New York colony elections.

[Joe Rogan]

No, it'd be way worse because Montreal and Quebec is French. I mean, it's basically French speaking. Everyone speaks French. It's. It's so different than the rest of the country. I mean, there's a lot of French speaking people in Canada in general, but it. There's way more on the east coast. The Vancouver and Montreal, very different places. Like, you gotta. They have to be different cities, man. You can't. Different states. You can't have them be just one part of a big country if there's seven different provinces. Yeah. So we have seven new states now. So fine. Why not?

[John Reeves]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

We can't count past 51. What is that? It's ridiculous.

[John Reeves]

People forget what it's like to expand America. The last time we did it was Alaska.

[Joe Rogan]

People just get scared of it. They get scared of the idea of the empire, the American empire expanding it makes you think about Hitler. It makes you think about fascism. And dangerous military decisions that get made take over countries and wars that happen. That's what people get scared of. But if Canada just wants to join, that would be pretty cool.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, they got a lot of natural resources.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Also their government's goofy as shit. You guys don't even have freedom of speech. You should be protected by the Constitution.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. Then they get the Second Amendment.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And the. Well, they used to have gun laws over there that were pretty favorable. But then when Trudeau came around, like, you can't even. You can't even give someone a handgun. I don't think anymore.

[John Reeves]

It's gotten. Well, I know a few Canadians, they don't like. They don't like Trudeau. They don't like what he's done to the country.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's got to be somebody that likes him. He keeps winning.

[John Reeves]

He's got.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got the numbers so kind. They're so nice that they're, like, willing to give a dork like that a second and a third chance.

[John Reeves]

Well, the farmers don't like them. I don't think the miners don't like them.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, certainly the truck drivers that were involved in that trucker convoy, that was crazy. And not just the trucker convoy, but the people that donated to the trucker convoy got their bank accounts shut down, which is just crazy. That's just crazy. Like you. You gotta have laws against that. That's tyranny. You can't allow people to shut down someone's entire bank account. They can't feed themselves because they donated to a person who's politically opposed to what you're doing.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

Anyways, Alaska, I think, coming from the guy that told me that. He's dead now, but I believe it. But back then, there was no fact checkers. There was no way to tell people what was going on. So let's just tell them, we. We. We bought it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's interesting. Russia helped the United States win the Civil war. See? Have you ever found anything on that, Jamie? I've never heard that before. I wouldn't be surprised, though.

[John Reeves]

Well, the.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure, back then they could hide all kinds of shit, too.

[John Reeves]

The north didn't have the navy.

[Joe Rogan]

How much do you think Greenland's worth?

[John Reeves]

I was talking to my accountant this morning. I think Greenland, if it became a state, it would be the largest state in the country.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, it's a big spot.

[John Reeves]

And then Alaska would be second. But Texas is always going to be screwed. And no matter how many More states we get. Texas is always going to go down the list. Yep, still huge. Greenland, then Canada, Alaska. America. I kind of like Mexico, too. Might as well take the whole. All of it.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think the Mexicans are big. Down with that. The Mexicans would probably be very upset if we try to take over Mexico. But it would be nice if Mexico had the same opportunities as America and that it wasn't so. So attractive to try to swim across the river to get here.

[John Reeves]

Well, what I don't get, Joe, we got a pretty good navy, we got a pretty good air force, we got a pretty good military base. What the fuck are we doing not sending A10s down there into Mexico and taking those fentanyl labs out? What are you gonna do? Mexico? You don't like us doing that? We just said they're terrorists. We're gonna blow up their fucking buildings. We'll tell them we're coming, but we're gonna blow the fuck out of that stuff. They're gonna have no infrastructure left. What are you gonna do? No more avocados. Give me a break. Send some A10s. I. I've had A10s on my ground, buzzing my ground for years. They practice on my ground. Well, they're awesome. Those pilots are good.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

A couple little warthogs in there and take care of business.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you think? That looks like a war with the cartels.

[Jamie]

I've stumbled across this, but that doesn't exactly say the same.

[Joe Rogan]

It says. While all this is transpiring, one of the most unusual events Diplomatic in naval history occurred. Russia dispatched her Atlantic and Pacific naval squadrons to the United States ports. They arrived in New York and San Francisco, respectively, in September 1863, at a time when the tide of war had turned in the favor of the North. At Gettysburg and Vicksburg, the fleets remained the United States waters for about seven months before being ordered to return to their homeland.

[John Reeves]

Oh, they had a.

[Jamie]

They didn't. They must have had wooden ships then, because I just found their first ironclad ship was built in Britain in 1861.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Jamie]

And said it stayed in Russian waters the entire time.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Jamie]

They had their own civil war just after.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they were going to war with wood ships. Gangster.

[John Reeves]

They knocked the. Out of the SEAL population.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I'm sure.

[John Reeves]

Oh, yeah. They're really good at what they did.

[Joe Rogan]

What did they used to be like? Like seals everywhere.

[John Reeves]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And are they endangered now? Like, what's the.

[John Reeves]

I don't really know. Because I don't. We don't have any in our area. But I have a friend that's a mechanic who's telling me he had a lady come into his auto shop and said something was wrong with her engine. And so he went out and told her, he said it looks like you blew a seal. She said no, I had tuna fish for lunch. Yeah. You don't tell a comic a joke, do you? Yeah, yeah, yes, I've been saving that one.

[Joe Rogan]

I know that native Alaskans are allowed to hunt seals and they eat them.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But regular people can't.

[John Reeves]

I think they share.

[Joe Rogan]

There's weird rules on that though. Yeah, you might be able to share, but you can't.

[John Reeves]

Subsistence harvesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You ever watch that show Life Below Zero?

[John Reeves]

I have seen that.

[Joe Rogan]

That. Yeah. Part of that show was like this one guy was living with this native Alaskan wife and their kids and they would go hunt the seals and she would like shoot the seals and she had to pull the trigger. Then he could help like butcher them up.

[Jamie]

There's about 141,000 in non glacial areas. Now the Wikipedia says that there were 300,000 for once population in 1850s.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh no, that's sea otters.

[John Reeves]

Oh.

[Jamie]

So yeah, I guess I read that wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

It says once a population of $300,000, 300,000 sea otters are was almost extinct. Russia needed money after being defeated by France and Britain in the Crimean War. The California gold rush show that if gold were discovered in Alaska, Americans Canadians could overwhelm the Russian presence in what one scholar later described as Siberia's Siberia. However, the principal reason for the sale was that the hard to defend colony would be easily conquered by British forces neighboring Canada in any future conflict. And Russia did not wish to see its arch rival being next door just across the Bering Sea. Therefore, Emperor Alexander II decided to sell the territory. The Russian government discussed the proposal in 1857 and 1858 and offered to sell the territory to the United States. So is before all that in the Civil war hoping that its presence in the region would offset the plans of Britain. However, no deal was reached. The risk of an American civil war was more pressing concern in Washington.

[Jamie]

Plausible space for our new news today.

[Joe Rogan]

In this story, our new news, what.

[Jamie]

He said about the Russian ships, that kind of fits. It could happen.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, because it says 1857-1858. They agreed to sell it and offered to sell. So they agreed but then they had to put it on the back burner because of the war. So then after the war they bought it. So it might have been that they Said, look, we'll still buy it, but we help us out.

[John Reeves]

This is how we got to cover.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. Well, this guy's like doctor emeritus in history. I mean, he knows his. Or he did.

[Joe Rogan]

The problem is, then you have to trust those guys. I would rather trust Wikipedia.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, anything I read on Wikipedia's got to be true. Way.

[Jamie]

Let's see others now. 70,000.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, there's only 70,000 left. Yeah, that's sea otters, though. Sea otters are vicious little fuckers.

[John Reeves]

Slingsby up there, and he sees a lot of that kind of stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Otters.

[John Reeves]

All the sea life up there.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[John Reeves]

You follow him?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There's a giant difference between, like, the coastal Alaska and regular Alaska. Coastal Alaska is wild.

[John Reeves]

He went out, just slayed the king crab last year.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, but that is not worth dying for. That show, the Most Deadly Harvest, or Deadliest Harvest, whatever show. I watched that show. I go, guys, get out of there.

[John Reeves]

I haven't seen that show.

[Joe Rogan]

You never seen that show? You know the show, Jamie, right? The. It's. What is it called? Deadliest Harvest. The. The crab fishing show. Isn't that what it's called?

[John Reeves]

Deadliest Catch.

[Joe Rogan]

Deadliest Catch. That's right. Deadliest Catch. That's right.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. They're way out in the middle of the freaking ocean there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And they're fucking rocking back and forth. Guys fall overboard sometimes. Fuck that.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, no, that's. That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Fall for crab. And I get it. I want crab, too, but not that bad, guys.

[John Reeves]

You get it from Slingsby. Big crabs, you know, he goes out, drills through the ice and brings them.

[Joe Rogan]

Up through the ice.

[John Reeves]

Oh, yeah. He gets them in the wintertime.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's ocean ice.

[John Reeves]

It's right offshore right there in nomency.

[Joe Rogan]

So you can walk on the ocean ice?

[John Reeves]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Out there?

[John Reeves]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How thick is the ocean ice?

[John Reeves]

Thick. Thicker than.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't even know we had that. I mean, I got. Obviously because of glaciers, but I didn't even think that there was, like, places where you could walk over frozen ocean and drill through it.

[John Reeves]

They have a. They have a gold mining show that they. They film off the coast of Nome where they cut through the ice and they send divers down with suction dredges.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[John Reeves]

It's on Discovery Channel to look for gold. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Cut through the ice, dive through a fucking hole in the ocean ice.

[John Reeves]

Forget the name of that show.

[Joe Rogan]

What is that cold plunge? Like, how long can they stay down there?

[John Reeves]

Some of them Stay down there all day. Eight hours. They'll do a whole shift.

[Joe Rogan]

How can you do that?

[John Reeves]

They have suits on that keep. And they have warm water pumped into your wetsuit or your dry suit.

[Joe Rogan]

How. How deep are they down there?

[John Reeves]

Here you go.

[Joe Rogan]

Is this the show? Yeah.

[John Reeves]

Seagull. Yeah. I've met her before. She's a nice lady. She's an opera singer.

[Joe Rogan]

This is crazy. This the way that people live so differently in the world that there's people that. This is their reality. They get a little ice fishing, hut. They set them up.

[John Reeves]

Oh, what they're doing is just unbelievable.

[Joe Rogan]

So what's he doing now? He's cutting holes, getting ready to go down.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, that's from palm recky.

[Joe Rogan]

And this guy's got this suit that's. And so how deep is he going?

[John Reeves]

Take it on about 30ft.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[John Reeves]

There you go.

[Joe Rogan]

This. Dude, this. This. This creeps me out just watching it. And so they go all the way to the bottom to get gold. They must have a lot of gold down there.

[John Reeves]

There's a lot of gold on there.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, how much is this worth? 29 degrees Fahrenheit. Temperature of the water.

[John Reeves]

I mean, he has to get. He has to get through the overburden.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's worth it.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, I mean, he does quite well.

[Joe Rogan]

What's quite well? Like, what do you think these guys pull a year?

[John Reeves]

Well, they probably make more off discovery channel than they do gold mining. Really? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Them.

[John Reeves]

I think I know a few of these guys. They don't get much gold, but they're.

[Joe Rogan]

But they're willing to do that?

[John Reeves]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

For not much gold.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. But they get a pretty good paycheck. You got to remember something. You know this. There's nothing real about reality tv.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true.

[John Reeves]

Nothing.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true.

[John Reeves]

We did it. We did a stint with the discovery channel. I'm sorry. National geographic. No more.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a disaster.

[John Reeves]

Well, yeah, I mean, they. They want. They want to make drama. They want to pit the kids against each other.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[John Reeves]

We don't. No, no, no, no, no, no. We don't do that.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that hilarious? Like, they. That's all those shows. All those shows are like that. They're all like, someone squabbling. It's all housewives and. Yeah, you gotta hate on her and hate on him.

[John Reeves]

Those are good.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, these little breakers. Yeah, these are good. You want one?

[John Reeves]

No, thanks.

[Joe Rogan]

So you. You're off nicotine entirely?

[John Reeves]

Well, I do this in. Once in a while.

[Joe Rogan]

Once in a while.

[John Reeves]

Doctor. My doctor said that these are Tucker Carlson's.

[Joe Rogan]

Makes his own Alps.

[John Reeves]

Oh, does he?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I'll give you one.

[John Reeves]

Oh, cool. No, I. I was talking to the doctor, you know, he says you might go through some nicotine withdrawals. And I said, no, I won't. I quit. I'm done. He says it's not the. It's not the nicotine that's hurting you. It's the smoking that's hurting you, the carcinogenics going in your lungs and all the chemicals and all that bullshit. He says nicotine is as good as caffeine. It's just straight up, nicotine's fine.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I believe that.

[John Reeves]

And I'm going, okay, I like that. I've tried it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also. It's a legitimate cognitive enhancer. It's a legitimate. What they call a nootropic. It really does affect you cognitively. The thing is, like, you're. The best way to get it is a cigarette. And like, doing it that way is killing. Killing you. It kills. Everybody just takes. It robs you. Gives you something and it robs you. Gives you something, takes a little way and you don't notice. You don't notice.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. In my case, I got to the point in my life where I'm going, I've done it for so long, something's going to get me.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

But now I realize, hey, it won't be. It won't be that. It won't be smoking. It might be a bear coming, you know, coming up on me without me seeing it. That might drive a cat over the edge. I don't know what'll happen, but I honestly never thought I'd get past 50. When I was growing up, I thought I'd be dead by 45.

[Joe Rogan]

Why?

[John Reeves]

Child of the 70s, man. It's all up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

You know that the. There's a former governor of Alaska named Walter Hickel that Richard Nixon appointed to be Secretary of the Interior in 1970. So he went and did that and went into Nixon one day and says, the Vietnam War is wrong. Nixon goes, you're fired and get out of here. So he went back to Alaska, became a governor. Great governor. Probably one of the best governors we ever had. And at some point he was a Republican, but. But the Republicans already had a candidate. The Democrats had a candidate. So he ran as an Alaskan for Independence candidate. Their party platform was to secede from the United States. And I used to be the treasurer for that group. I'm going, I like this guy. That sounds like Fun. Let's do that. That guy got elected.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

And Jack Coghill was his lieutenant governor. I knew him quite well.

[Joe Rogan]

So he wanted to become a country.

[John Reeves]

I still do. If I'm telling you, Mike, you want.

[Joe Rogan]

The United States to take over Canada, but you want Alaska to be its own country.

[John Reeves]

This was all when Biden was there. I'm thinking, worst case scenario, we're going to get the girl that didn't want to be on your show. If we get her, I want Alaska to become its own country. We just got to get away from this. It's a train wreck, but since Trump got in and he's doing the things that. That he said he was going to do. Hey, I like the idea. You want to expand America. Expand America. It's a good idea. It's been done before.

[Joe Rogan]

So you're willing to keep Alaska as part of America?

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Why don't you run for governor?

[John Reeves]

Ah, that.

[Joe Rogan]

You'd be a fun governor.

[John Reeves]

I would be a fun governor.

[Joe Rogan]

The way you said it. Give it a go. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Businessman.

[John Reeves]

Why don't you run for governor?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't have time. I'm busy.

[John Reeves]

I know you're busy, but I. I don't know. No, I can't do it.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't need that in your life. I'm just kidding. I'm completely kidding.

[John Reeves]

People come up and go, give me some. Something. This is an issue. And I'm thinking, why is it an issue? I don't give a. About that. That's not a good politician.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

A politician I knew that I talked to one day as a state senator, he goes, here's a trick. All you do when they say that, you go, I see. That's it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it.

[John Reeves]

Just say, I see.

[Joe Rogan]

You listen to them. I see. And you don't really care.

[John Reeves]

No. You don't give a fuck.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, a lot of them definitely don't. A lot of them are just using it as like an audition to become president. You know, they just want to do good enough jobs to get the big job.

[John Reeves]

Well, President Trump just announced recently that he wants to get a gas line built through Alaska. And talking about governors, Governor Palin appointed me to be the gas line project coordinator for DOT back when she was governor. And there's another guy that worked for DOT named Frank Richards. And so I went to work to get a gas line permit written and worked with a guy named Harry Noah, who was a commissioner under dnr. I'm sorry. Under Governor Hickel. He was commissioner of dnr. So him and I worked on this permit to get a pipeline built through Alaska. Took us three years. I'm the guy that wrote it. I'm the guy that signed it along with Harry. So when President Trump was doing an interview three days after he got elected, he goes, and we have a fully permitted pipeline in Alaska to go ahead and build a gas line through Alaska, I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop the tv. Back it up a little bit. I wrote the fucking permit. I signed the fucking permit. He's talking about some work that I did. That's all right. So Frank Richards now is the president of the Alaska Gas Line Developer Project. And they just inked a deal with Japan, who came in and said, yeah, we want to buy into this. It's a $44 billion project.

[Joe Rogan]

So what's the hurdle for pipelines and for oil drilling in the past? Is it environmental that people are worried it's going to ruin the environment?

[John Reeves]

There's a thing called anwr, the Arctic National Wildlife Range. I think it's. Yeah, something like that. And when the president renamed, well, anwr, you're not allowed to drill in anwr. You can't drill for oil. And animal. There's a lot of oil there. But the Feds said you can't drill for oil there. You can't produce oil out of there. But that was for the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. But if you change it to the America National Wildlife Refuge, kind of like the Gulf of America, you might be able to drill in there.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that really all it takes? You just got to rename it, apparently.

[John Reeves]

The Gulf America Works.

[Joe Rogan]

So they're going to Redrill. They're going to start drilling in the Gulf of America now. It is, by the way, very hilarious.

[John Reeves]

I bet they do.

[Joe Rogan]

They said it at the inauguration, was like, this motherfucker. Like, this is such a crazy thing to say.

[John Reeves]

And he did it. He signed it yesterday on the way across the Gulf of America.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

I was in where we stay on the way over in Louisiana, having dinner. I asked the waitress, I said, how far away are we from the Gulf of America? What if it looks big off?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, we're very divided as a country. My hope is that what he does winds up being undeniably good. This is the best case scenario. That's what I hope for every president. What happens is undeniably good. Everybody benefits, and we all realize, like, hey, this is. We're going to be okay, but we should be united as a country. We shouldn't be united only with the People of our political party, that's stupid. We're supposed to be one team. And, you know, this is the new coach or this is the new president. Let's okay, like, get on board. This is. This is what's happening now. And if there's something that you think is egregiously wrong, like all this USA stuff, like, hey, maybe there's some really good programs in there that we should all examine and we should reinstate State, but they should examine it. The idea that you shouldn't examine it, that there's no argument for that. Once you found $200 million that goes to transgender animal tests, you know, you got some fuckery like, you can't spend $200 million on transgender animal tests while you're $36 trillion in debt and not spending any money on East Palestine. Yeah, like, what happened to that place, huh? What's. What. What about the toxic spill in East Palestine? What about the. The health effects of those people that deal with the. That burning toxic in their air for weeks and weeks?

[John Reeves]

Y.

[Joe Rogan]

What happened to them? Anybody check. Anybody go into that ground and see what the. The groundwater's like? Anybody dig that stuff out and process it? Are they doing anything about that?

[John Reeves]

Not yet. They go in. You can see videos where they stick. Sticks in the water and machine comes right out, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

How about Flint, Michigan? How about that? How about their water still up?

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

I get a glass of water. Remember Obama did that. This is not a stone. I want a glass of water. And he sips it like this, like a little lizard. He barely. Barely drank it. It's so crazy to ask for a glass of water where you know the water's polluted and you don't even drink it. That's so crazy. That's so crazy. He didn't even take a gulp. You ever see that? He sips it like this. Like this. Like, barely. Have you seen it?

[John Reeves]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

You should watch it. Should watch it because it's fun. It's fun to watch because it's so crazy. It's almost like they were trying to talk him into it, and he was like, I'm not drinking that water. And like, listen, just drink a little bit of it. Just. It'd be good for everybody. Just go out there and say, can I glad A glass of water it is.

[John Reeves]

There you go.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, generally I have not been.

[John Reeves]

Doing stunts here, but, you know, watch this.

[Joe Rogan]

And what was that?

[John Reeves]

Used a filter. The water around this table was flint water that was filtered. And it just confirms what we know scientifically, which is that if you're using a filter, if you're installing it, then Flint Water at this point is drinkable.

[Joe Rogan]

Stop. Pause. If I was in the audience, I'd be yelling, chug, Chug. Chug. Chug. Chug, chug. Get him gallons of that and then monitor his diarrhea. Okay, let's. What are you talking. You didn't even drink that. Make your pasta in that, sir. Go make your rice in that water. Using a filter. These people are so poor. They, like. That's a very impoverished community. I bet a lot of those people don't have filters. So you're saying if they don't have filters, they're. Is that what you're saying? And you only drank it like this. You barely drank it. It didn't move. The level of water didn't change. You just dipped your tongue in there. You didn't really drink. That's so crazy to not drink it.

[John Reeves]

Well, we did eight years with that guy, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

We got out of a long relationship.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, kind of with all of them. You know, it's just the job of being a president is so hard. I used to say I. I want Hillary to win because I want a woman to be president. So I realized they can't do that job either. Nobody does that job. Right?

[John Reeves]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Everybody it up. Nobody ever gets it right. It's always just a disaster. Everybody. Half the country at least hates you. The other cat giant percentages of the population, even on your team are disappointed in you because you didn't do exactly what they want you to do.

[John Reeves]

We've got a. We've got a pretty good group of legislators in Alaska.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. For the most part, they're all, you know, they're going to have their squabbles and stuff, but pretty much everybody on the same page.

[Joe Rogan]

I think you guys are different humans. Alaska's just more durable, reliable people because you have to deal with the cold, and you got bears and moose and shit running around up there. I think it makes different people. When you live in the same neighborhood as grizzly bears. It just makes everything a little different.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, it actually does. And the people are generally nice to each other.

[Joe Rogan]

Mm.

[John Reeves]

And considerate.

[Joe Rogan]

Well. But they seem, like I said, more robust. When I was in Anchorage, we. We. Me and my friend Ari went up there, did some shows, did a little fishing. We're like, these people are like better people. They're, like, more solid. Like, everybody. Even just like the regular people hanging out at the bar, they, like, had their together more. And they were both like, I Guess they kind of have to because otherwise you're freeze to death. You can't just be a off up here. It's too goddamn cold. And you can't just go wander in the woods. You'll get eaten. Your fucking. Your food, Jack. You can't go too far. Stay close, stay with your people. Support each other. Someone has a flat tire, fucking help him. Right, because you would want to get help too. You could die out there. That's the difference.

[John Reeves]

I used to always think that if I go bear hunting, I'm going to go with somebody who I can outrun. But now I get a lot of people asking me if I want to go bear hunting run. No.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You could be in the wrong spot. It doesn't matter who's running fast. That bear is going to get somebody or all of you depending upon what's going on. But that's a dangerous kind of hunting. You're hunting something that's like the apex predator of North America.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

And you don't even eat it. I have a bunch of friends who go grizzly hunting and the way they put it, like first of all, you have to control the populations. Like if you don't, you get a situation that's happening. Like in Montana. They want to list them, but they've been delisted for so long with. The only place you can hunt grizzly bears in America is Alaska. And a lot of people that live in Montana don't think that's good. They think they should put them back on the list because they're just. There's way too many human interactions.

[John Reeves]

I have a grizzly bear hide I got from Slingsby up in Nome. And it's on that 1885 pool table that I told you you.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah.

[John Reeves]

That you're gonna wait. I'm not gonna play on that pool table till you show up.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus.

[John Reeves]

It covers that pool table. I'm sure got two of those now.

[Joe Rogan]

They're big animals, man. Especially the coastal ones. Have you ever seen one, One of the coastal ones up close?

[John Reeves]

Not grizzly bears. I've seen polar bears and stuff like that.

[Joe Rogan]

You've seen polar bears up there?

[John Reeves]

Well, not in Fairbanks. I've seen north of Nome. Yeah, yeah, they have them up there. I mean they. They had one polar bear apparently. I don't know if it's true or not, that walked into the interior of Alaska. I mean it just went traveling. Really gonna have me a little cross country jaunt.

[Joe Rogan]

Fuck. Running into that thing.

[John Reeves]

Well, they're. They eat nothing but Meat.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

They're badass motherfuckers.

[Joe Rogan]

They're the most badass of all of them. They are just 100% predator. As sketchiest bear to be around. There's this video I was watching of these guys the other day that were in a truck, and they were filming this polar bear as it just kept getting closer and closer. And then they started panicking. Okay. It's like 30 yards away. Like, that sprinting distance. We got to get in the truck. And they got in the truck, and the polar bear just climbed on top of the truck. It was like. And he was like, we gotta start the truck and get the fuck out of here. Like, this thing's gonna break the glass.

[John Reeves]

They're bad.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

You know, you don't want to fuck with them.

[Joe Rogan]

They look that's just a can of meat to them. They don't give a about you. You're just food. They live in a frozen wasteland. Anything that's moving around is edible.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. Last time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Look at these guys. Bro, don't do that. Do not do that. Please don't do that. That's so dangerous. That's not your friend. Dude, that thing just wants to eat you. Isn't it so weird? It's so not worried about people because it's not threatened by anything because it's such a top dog that it just, like, will just wander right up to your building. Hey, what's inside? I smell meat. I want to come in that building.

[John Reeves]

I'm hungry.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

I talked about pool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah? What's that?

[John Reeves]

Last time you and I were talking, you said you had a friend that makes pool cues.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

Here's a chunk of mammoth ivory form. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

This is my buddy, Eric Crisp. He makes sugar tree cues. This is beautiful, man.

[John Reeves]

That's good. Solid chunk.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a chunk of mammoth ivory. That's wild.

[John Reeves]

The exterior on that's the blue color is called vivianite. It comes from mineralization on frozen artifacts like that.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm gonna send him this.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And tell him to turn this into a masterpiece.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

He makes incredible pool cues. And he does use mammoth ivory. He uses it sometimes in the joint.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. You said. You said you had one that had mammoth ivory in it.

[Joe Rogan]

And what is that, Jamie? Vivianite. Whoa. God, that's so beautiful.

[John Reeves]

That's. That's the mineralization you see on that. We find. It's actually easy to find bones sometimes because they're colored blue.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

From mineralization.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

I have some that are really, really blue.

[Joe Rogan]

That bison, the step bison skull that you gave me is a Pete. That thing freaks people out. They're like how old is that? That like. Well, we have to get it tested. But it could be 10,000 years old.

[John Reeves]

It could be 40000 years old. The one that was found over the hill from us. 38, 000 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

I haven't tested any of my step bisons.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

It's 400 bucks a pop. But I would bet that one's at least 20,000, 30,000 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

I. Whenever I have anybody on that's like an ancient history expert. It's interested in like some of the lost civilization guys. We always talk about your place. Because I'm like that. That's a place where it seems like that's evidence that something took place there that killed everything all at once.

[John Reeves]

Something came in hot. Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Something came in hot. And the way you describe it too that there's a layer of carbon where it looks like scorched earth.

[John Reeves]

Burt benrock. Burt gravel. You know. Deep deep. 50ft down. And since we talked last I think I kind of figured some things out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

All that material that has ended up where we're at came in. I think we talked. It came in some kind of water event.

[Joe Rogan]

Some flood.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. And that's called the back channel to the. To the pay. What we're digging up for pay out of. So there's a back channel that goes through that valley that's pretty decent in. And gold. I mean pretty rich. And the miners used to drift mine that because they couldn't bucket line dredge it. And so it goes around where we're at. It keeps going downstream. So when we moved from where we were at down to. Let's go find the back channel. And we set up over here where we started on the left limit. We started going back up and we found some drift mines up there. And I. This bone here I think was from an old drift mine a couple hundred years ago. You know that before the discoveries were even made Some guys were out there digging around and had an old drift mine going. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because what did you date this to?

[John Reeves]

That's 200 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

And this is what kind of an animal.

[John Reeves]

Step bison.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

Either step bison or could be bear. I'm not sure how crazy is that.

[Joe Rogan]

They were around 200 years ago. You think that was a bear?

[John Reeves]

Could I. I. I'm not. I don't know what the.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine the size of that thing. Like that's his shin.

[John Reeves]

I don't know. You got. You got some experts in here. And they'll tell you what it is. Yeah, we call that the Spitzer bone.

[Joe Rogan]

Next time I got a biologist in here, I'll say. What do you think that comes from? It would have to be a very specific kind of biologist. Right?

[John Reeves]

A paleontologist worth his waiter. I mean, he should know. I'm not that.

[Joe Rogan]

How many more things have they discovered in the East River?

[John Reeves]

They haven't told me. But there is, I mentioned last time, a research vessel that was out there. And in this business, if someone makes a discovery on my property that's significant, they don't talk about it. They don't want anybody to know about it. But there was a discovery made not by Dirty Water Don or Dan. Don. He's still out there. And he's found all kinds of stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

He posts it on his Instagram. Stuff that he does find. And he's found it in the exact same place that you were told that the museum dumped it off.

[John Reeves]

Yep. And I posted a letter or part of that report that I was hoping that if somebody. I like people to think. Here. Here's where it's located. Okay. Here's where it was dumped. And it said at the same point where they dumped it, where AMNH dumped it is where the New York City hospital dumped their stuff. How hard would it be to go to the hospital and go look at your records and tell me where you used to dump stuff in the 1940s? Just find out. Just ask them. AMNH ain't gonna tell us.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But if you know the location where Dirty Water Don found that stuff. Stuff, it's got to be in there, right?

[John Reeves]

Oh, it's in there.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you go to his Instagram, Jamie? So how many different things has he recovered so far?

[John Reeves]

I think he's at least two mammoth and bison and a jawbone. It could be a horse. I haven't seen any of it with my own eyes. I haven't.

[Joe Rogan]

And how much did they supposedly dump in that river?

[John Reeves]

50 tons.

[Joe Rogan]

That is so crazy.

[John Reeves]

And here's what I was going to tell you. Someone with a research vessel with side scanning sonar and all that stuff. Stuff. Apparently found something. I found a mound in the river. That's a like a hundred. Drew probably knows better than me. 100ft long, 40ft high.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[John Reeves]

60Ft wide. Now, that wouldn't be 50 tons, but it could be a whole bunch of other stuff. And. And that's why the report said, this will be a significant challenge to future archaeologists. This was written in 49 to future archaeologists. And I'm going, wait, Are you archaeologists from human things? We're talking about paleontology, which is bone things, but AMNH is the one that called it archaeological exploration.

[Joe Rogan]

So do they have human bones as well?

[John Reeves]

Hypothetically.

[Joe Rogan]

So hypothetically, on your property they found human bones too and just dumped them in the river.

[John Reeves]

If you.

[Joe Rogan]

Why would they do that?

[John Reeves]

Why don't they. Why don't they come clean with the saber tooth tigers?

[Joe Rogan]

What do you mean by come clean with the saber tooth tigers?

[John Reeves]

Well, the experts out there will tell you that saber tooth tigers weren't found in Alaska.

[Joe Rogan]

But you have found saber toothed tiger skulls.

[John Reeves]

Well, so are they. There's. I have a correspondence posted recently. Two pages that's filled with unbelievable things. That. Yeah, that's one right there.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a dirty water. Don says that this is the lower jawbone to a step bison.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got some other stuff in there too, right, Jamie? Like maybe a tusk or something? Some other things.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Look at that bone. Step bison tibia. So what are you saying though? Why would they dump off human remains?

[John Reeves]

They say that. Well, the letter says we have yet to find any human remains. But we found spear tips. Well, we found mammoth bones with spear tips in them. We found that stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you have a photo of a mammoth bone with a spear tip in it?

[John Reeves]

Yeah. My daughter's holding up a big mammoth hip bone and it's got a spear. Where's that bone, Rush? Alaska. I mean our.

[Joe Rogan]

No, but where's it. Where, where can we see that image?

[John Reeves]

On my page.

[Joe Rogan]

On your page. Do you have that thing with the spear tip still in it?

[John Reeves]

Spear tips out. But we have the bone. We have. We have a couple bones like that. Joe, why'd you take it out? In fact, I posted a picture of 12, or I think it's around 12 spear points that were sent to AMNH that disappeared. Shit. Disappeared.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you know what? I was talking to a guy the other day about this and he was saying that he thinks what happens is Dan Richards. That it goes to wealthy people. Oh yeah, the wealthy people offer them a bunch of money. Wealthy donors, they want to get it for their collection. And he was talking about a bunch of different stuff that goes missing.

[John Reeves]

I have a letter I just posted here just in case we wanted to talk about it. From Childs Frick, who was head of AMNH back when this was all going on. His dad was Henry Frick. His dad was the most hated man in America for a while for killing his people. He was a steel guy. Steel. Steel industry founder.

[Joe Rogan]

Killing his workers.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, they wanted overtime pay and they didn't want to work so hard. And he brought in the gang, those hired thugs to the Pinkertons or oh really, whoever it was, and murdered people. I don't know how many they killed of his guys. He was ruthless. Henry Frick was ruthless. And his kid Childs was the one that set this deal up. This tripartite agreement, which is also included in this letter about AMNH's responsibility with these bones was to just take those of scientific value and do a report on every one they took. They took over 40 years. They took tons and tons and tons of them. Did no reporting nothing. Dumped 50 tons in the river because they didn't have a place to store them. Apparently didn't care.

[Joe Rogan]

But why would they dump human bones? Because it would think. I would think that that would be very valuable. You're saying archaeology. So you think it's just. Just spear tips and shit like that?

[John Reeves]

They found human bones? I'm willing to say that they found them.

[Joe Rogan]

It would also be very confusing if you found Alaskan spear tips in the East River. That would be the confusing thing for archaeologists, I would imagine they're saying too, kind of. Right.

[John Reeves]

Well, you find a. You find a bone of the spear tip sits in it, or a bone that obviously had a spear tip in it because of the way it's broken. I mean, I have a baby mammoth hip bone that is like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

Identified by reputable paleontologists.

[Jamie]

Here's just a for instance. I stumbled across New York Times articles.

[Joe Rogan]

Talking about unearthing the secret of New York's mass graves.

[Jamie]

Back from since the 19th century, hiring prisoners for 50 cents an hour to jail inmates paid to move mass graves. There would have been no markings of who was what.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so they've dumped that in the river too.

[Jamie]

Look where it is.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, they just dump the bodies in the river. How gross.

[Jamie]

They didn't use coffins until recently.

[Joe Rogan]

That's nuts. What about vampires?

[Jamie]

Well, I mean, they put them in stuff, but like a real nice box.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on, man. Did you see Dracula? Yeah. People are gross. You know, they've been throwing things in that river forever. You know, like most of the world, you go around rivers. In most of the industrialized world, those rivers are disgusting.

[John Reeves]

Well, our state legislature. I told you last time I was going to go political on this. I've got no desire to litigate this thing. Litigation just takes a long time politically. I told you last time we're going to go this route. And I have a letter I just posted from the Alaska state legislature to AMNH to return the bones from the Senate majority. The guy that wrote that's a fellow by the name of Klik Bishop, and he was the senate president, signed it with him. But Klick is a good, honest, decent, gold mining legislator. He was termed out this time and decided not to run again because I suspect he'll run for governor here and he'll probably win in a couple years. And Click is one of those guys that wants the bone back. We met with him and his chief of staff, the president of the university and the museum guys, and some other state legislators, and we want him back.

[Joe Rogan]

This is very interesting. We understand there are unopened crates sitting in storage in New York. They present an opportunity for further scientific discovery in fields such as paleontology, ecology and anthropology. Therefore, facilitating the return of this collection is crucial to ensure access for researchers, educators and students within Alaska, thereby advancing scientific knowledge and understanding of the state's natural history. There are researchers in Alaska ready and waiting to open these crates that have been collecting dust in your basement. Yeah. Get at it. Give up the boxes.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, yeah. Bring them home.

[Joe Rogan]

Bring them home.

[John Reeves]

Well, and I made the offer to build the research facility, store everything. We'll bring them all back here. The scientists can have access to them. But the bones are not leaving Alaska. They're not leaving Alaska.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't trust them anymore?

[John Reeves]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Why would you?

[John Reeves]

Why would I.

[Joe Rogan]

Why would I?

[John Reeves]

Don't.

[Joe Rogan]

It shouldn't.

[John Reeves]

And I get a lot of people. Oh, I need a. I need a mammoth bone for my. Our studies. You're just trying to collect something.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Off. I'll never get it back.

[John Reeves]

Come on up and find it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

You know, come find them. They're, you know, they're all over the place.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what's nuts is that you keep finding them. Like, what was that event like that led so many bodies to be in this small area? Because you said it's only like five acres or something like that.

[John Reeves]

2.1.

[Joe Rogan]

2.1.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. We had maybe a point point. Another point one.

[Joe Rogan]

But there's another area that you said that's a little larger.

[John Reeves]

Yes. Downstream. Makes this one look like a piker.

[Joe Rogan]

How big is that area?

[John Reeves]

It's a mile long.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[John Reeves]

This is.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're finding them there too?

[John Reeves]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So this main area we were pulling most of the stuff is only 2.1 acres.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy. That is. What a dump of bodies. It must have been.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. It was incredible. So when we started back down at the mouth and headed up the left limit. We hit some fairly modern day drift mines on that side until we got farther up and we went all the way up to where we had been set up before and we crossed back over, tracing this back channel because that's where the gold was. We didn't get maybe 50ft and we finding these steel tubes sticking out of the ground. Well that's how they used to, to melt permafrost. But this was virgin ground, it had never been mined. So we kept going and we found some pretty significant things over there. And we're on, we're on, we're on the hunt.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, imagine what the event must have looked like to lead all those bodies in one small area. I mean it only makes sense that that was a mass extinction event. Right? Am I wrong?

[John Reeves]

It went over thousands of years because we've dated anywhere from 40,000 year old bones to, you know, 12,000 year old bones in that deposit. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

So everything kept dying there. So it might have been multiple events.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, might have been.

[Joe Rogan]

Well that was one of the things they thought about the Younger Dryer's impact theory. Right. They think there was multiple times where that happened. And then I wonder what the population density was like of animals back then too. Because if you do have these enormous animals that are very difficult for predators to hunt and they manage to get into large numbers and they can defend themselves. Like if you have a large population of woolly mammoths and bisons and step bisons and fucking saber tooth tigers up there, what the fuck did that look like? Like if you're finding that many bones, imagine going back in time 30,000 years ago and just being a fly on the wall and seeing what life was like back then.

[John Reeves]

Well, we can't seem to find anybody that's willing to come up there and study it. You know, I've made all these offers.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you think it's because of the restrictions? Because they're scared that you're going to own everything and you're going to.

[John Reeves]

Well, the two of the employees at AMNH happened to have a conversation with somebody that is related to the state of Alaska. Employed by the state of Alaska, where they said we don't want the bones to get into Reeves's hands because they'll lose. The scientific community will no longer have access to them and they're real valuable and we think he's going to sell them. Now the people that he said that to was with some Legislatures University employees. And where we were at, you couldn't even count the fucking number of tusks. And so here's.

[Joe Rogan]

That's such an ignorant thing to say because if you're going to sell them, you already have way more than you need to sell.

[John Reeves]

We're not. We're not there to sell tusks. I want to figure out. I'm goofball this way. What the fuck happened? Why did 80, 65% of the world's megafauna are North America? Why did it go all extinct all at once? Yeah, what the fuck?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

And they have in that collection that they didn't dump in the river in my collection was. Let's say it's a 2,000 square foot or 2,000 piece jigsaw puzzle. I got 42 pieces over here. They got the rest. I'm not gonna solve anything with 42 pieces. I want it all. Put it all back in Alaska. Let the state of Alaska study the fuck out of it. And we will tell you how the extinction event happened. It's been. Paleontologists know that, but they don't have money. They don't really want to put up with the shit they have to do to get it. You know how hard it is to dig in ice, in permafrost?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I see those hoses you use.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, but I'm not digging it, I'm thawing it.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[John Reeves]

Take a scalp. You know how the paleontologists see them on TV with the little scalp and, you know, toothbrush and shit. That don't fly around there. You got it, you got to melt it and get it the hell out of there. That's. People criticize for how we do it, but if we don't do it, we don't get it. And we're not going to use mechanical equipment on it because I don't want to destroy it. I could strip that old 2.1 acres in two shifts and I'd lose every fucking bone could be smashed.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[John Reeves]

You're on a D10 across that stuff. They ain't gonna survive, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course, no, the way you're doing it seems like the only way to do it.

[John Reeves]

It is the only way to do it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just all these paleontologists, they're all connected to universities, right?

[John Reeves]

They're all connected that way. And they don't want to piss off a human age because, right, we can't hire this guy needs our grant money to do what he does, or he needs to be our employees. Hey, here's one for Elon Musk and his doge guys. Go check into those guys and See where their money goes, the M and H. See where their money goes, the federal grants they get. See where that stuff goes, you know, might as well, because that's the only way you're going to bring them to bring them in to heal. These guys been running unfettered forever. Nobody checks on them. It, the management's horrible. Nobody comes in and says what you spend that 2 million on? I don't know. Look at that funny looking bird over there under. It's out of control.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you know this for a fact? Like, have you looked into it? Do you know how they run or do you just. Just basing this on your interactions with them?

[John Reeves]

I'm basing on my interactions with them. But I will tell you this. One of the main people that you know, people say you need to litigate this, you need to sue their ass. I'm pretty good at that. I'm, you know, I've been involved in two of the longest lawsuits in state history and I've won both of them. So I'm betting like hall of fame kind of stuff. But the guy that made the deal with me is I can't depose him. You can't depose them. It's like be deposing a cabbage. Let a head, let a head of lettuce.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you mean?

[John Reeves]

He's like Biden.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's gone.

[John Reeves]

That's what I hear. Oh, but he's still employed. He's still pulling in a pretty good paycheck to me that, you know, maybe you do that in the private sector, maybe you do it, but. And I don't know how much money that AMNH gets from the feds, but we looked into a little bit. They get some if they don't want to give Alaska the state of Alaska. If you look at who wrote that letter, it's not John Reeves now it's the state of fucking Alaska. And I told you, it's the only way to get them back. We got to get our politicians up there going, no, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Rogan]

And are they willing to do this?

[John Reeves]

They just wrote a letter saying that's what you supposed to do.

[Joe Rogan]

So what's the next step?

[John Reeves]

I don't know. We haven't gotten a response from that fucking letter.

[Joe Rogan]

Do they have to respond?

[John Reeves]

Apparently not.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's part of the problem, right?

[John Reeves]

Fuck these guys.

[Joe Rogan]

They're not accountable.

[John Reeves]

Fuck this dirt tramp up there.

[Joe Rogan]

They're the amnh. They're a prestigious institution that's beyond reproach, sir.

[John Reeves]

And, and I said, I know you Know if you have the politics lined up right, and you see the right people where they should be, and you got people that want to just do. That's all I want to do is the right thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

Just do the right thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Amnh. Is that where you go to see the dinosaurs?

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they do that. That's cool.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. Drew and I, my wife and Laura went to New York to meet with amnh, and they had to stand in the rain for four hours and then wouldn't meet with us.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. He told me this.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I'm not surprised you're a problem. They'd rather just avoid you than deal with whatever happened when they dumped 50 tons of bones in the east river and they have a bunch more just sitting there. What do you think they would discover if you got it all? What would, like, be. Best case scenario, you get all the bones back. Alaska wins.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You bring researchers over there, they work with you. What do you think they discover?

[John Reeves]

They discover what? Why all this megafauna? What happened? Why did the sea levels rise 400ft all at once? What went on here? There's animals that we found they said didn't exist there.

[Joe Rogan]

Now. They haven't amended that, even though you found those? That seems crazy to me.

[John Reeves]

They're doing a little backpedaling now, but what they need to do is put all the pieces of the puzzle on the table and start putting it together.

[Joe Rogan]

So you found. Tell me the animals that you found that are there that aren't supposed to be there. Saber toothed tiger is one of them.

[John Reeves]

Right. Dire wolves.

[Joe Rogan]

Dire. Dire wolves. Wow.

[John Reeves]

Badgers, Badgers. Badgers.

[Joe Rogan]

They're not supposed to be there.

[John Reeves]

We told you elk last time. And you pointed out there's an island that has some elk on it. Yeah, but they were planted there. They're. They're not.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they were, yeah.

[John Reeves]

Elk were not known to be up in my neck of the woods.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no kidding.

[John Reeves]

And moose came in later, but they didn't even know moose was up there in that time. We found four of them. So moose were up there, and there was a transition from grasslands, which is good for the mammoth and the bison and the horses and the caribou to the woodlands, where browsers could feed. Right. The mastodons, the mammoths. Or not the mammoths, the other animals that ate that kind of stuff and the carnivores were having a field day, didn't they? Didn't care.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

Who's eating what do you think they.

[Joe Rogan]

Brought in elk to hunt or do you think they brought him in to just to have them there?

[John Reeves]

I think no, they weren't brought in.

[Joe Rogan]

Check. How did elk get on a Fognack Island? 1929, eight cabs moved from Washington. Wow. Just eight. Washington. That makes sense because they're Roosevelt elk. That totally makes sense. Roosevelt elk are a larger bodied animal that has smaller antlers than a Rocky Mountain rose. Yeah. Roosevelt elk in Alaska. Originated from a transplant of eight calves. Captured an Olympic Peninsula of Washington state in 1928. Moved to a Fog Neck island in 1929. Wow. But that's crazy.

[John Reeves]

We find sheds of the antlers. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

And those are like thousands of years old.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So they were there already. Well, that's the thing about. I came across this country, right?

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

In this country. They used to be everywhere and then people just wiped them out when they had market hunting. That's, you know, when they made it illegal to sell wild game. That was the reason for it because everybody. It was poor people were just killing everything they could and they almost wiped them out. They wiped out a lot of species like elk used to be in every state and now they're, you know, in a handful. They've repopulated them in some areas. Pennsylvania, Kentucky. There's been a bunch of success stories of repopulating elk to the point where they can hunt them now, but they used to be everywhere, including Texas.

[John Reeves]

Oh, yeah, that's. That's the one. Had a spear tip in it.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? Do you have a photo of it with the spirit?

[John Reeves]

I have a. Have a little video of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Where?

[John Reeves]

That's on my phone. So.

[Joe Rogan]

God damn it, find it. I want to see.

[John Reeves]

I will. I'll find it.

[Joe Rogan]

Now. I would never take that spear point out. I'd have that thing on display. That is the coolest thing ever.

[John Reeves]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Spear point inside of a mammoth is.

[John Reeves]

Stuck right in it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's cool.

[John Reeves]

I have another picture up there if you want to pull that bison head up. The spear point in it still in it.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[John Reeves]

Right here.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[John Reeves]

By the eyes.

[Joe Rogan]

Where's that?

[John Reeves]

Not that one. It was fairly recently, Jamie.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[John Reeves]

That I posted it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, without a doubt. My.

[John Reeves]

You're going the wrong way.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's the Trump thing. We should go read the comments. You're a terrible person.

[John Reeves]

Here's Click Bishop. He's the senator that sent the letter. Keep going.

[Joe Rogan]

Shout out to Click.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, it's in there somewhere.

[Joe Rogan]

How often do you post?

[John Reeves]

I posted these to make it easier for Jamie to find.

[Jamie]

I'm like, I'm Back months now. I was going back to the top of your feed. Is.

[Joe Rogan]

Was it months ago or was it recently?

[John Reeves]

Probably in the last week or two.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh.

[John Reeves]

Oh, I'm sorry, I gave you the wrong direction.

[Joe Rogan]

See it anywhere? Whoa. Look at that skull.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, keep going. That's a mammoth brain by those sunglasses.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? That's a brain?

[John Reeves]

Yep, half of one.

[Joe Rogan]

So was that mineralized?

[John Reeves]

It was frozen, dehydrated.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what that looks like. Wow. What'd you do with that thing?

[John Reeves]

It's in the freezer.

[Joe Rogan]

Right next to the frozen pizza. Go down next to the ice cream. Yeah. It's a mammoth brain that's 30,000 years old.

[John Reeves]

There's another one that got hit by a spear.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

That's a. That's a little mammoth.

[Joe Rogan]

That's some penetration right there, Jack. That's amazing. But where's this skull? Where's this skull?

[John Reeves]

Oh, there it is right there.

[Joe Rogan]

Where?

[John Reeves]

Right smack dab in the middle.

[Joe Rogan]

That one?

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Where's the point?

[John Reeves]

Right by the arrow. Right by the arrow, Yep. Go up right there.

[Joe Rogan]

Where?

[John Reeves]

Go where the cursor was right there.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a tip?

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. So it's kind of mineralized too?

[John Reeves]

Yeah. Stuck right in it. Welded to its face.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. How could. How did you know that? That's what that was? It looks like a tumor to me. Did you have to clean it up to see the difference?

[John Reeves]

Been cleaned up quite a bit. It's not bone. It's stone.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. And you're gonna leave it in there like that?

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you get an X ray of it or anything so you can see it?

[John Reeves]

It? No.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I'd want to see that. That's amazing. What is it like being on a piece of land that at one point in time was just like this insane habitat? I mean, it must have, like some bizarre feel to just the land itself when you're pulling out saber toothed tiger skulls and woolly mammoth tusks. And it just must feel insane that you're pulling all this stuff out of the ground that you live on.

[John Reeves]

Well, we live in the Ice Age. We go to work in the morning. We're in the Ice Age. Yeah, it's a different way to think. You see something, you go, okay, what the fuck? What is this? You find something, you go, that's not human. I mean, that tool was made by human. If you go back.

[Joe Rogan]

But also, if you find humans, you gotta hug and keep it on the DL, I think.

[John Reeves]

So I would.

[Joe Rogan]

I would imagine. I don't know.

[John Reeves]

I don't know. Either.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know nothing. But I would imagine if I found some humans, I wouldn't tell nobody.

[John Reeves]

Well, that we found that one tool that was obviously shaped by humans.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

Carbon dated, 25,000 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

And it looks like it was sawed. And it looks just like. If I was to take this cup, you know, you hold it in your hand just like something to mash anything with.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

Like a mold tenderized.

[Joe Rogan]

There it is right there.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

So that's a stone tool.

[John Reeves]

That's mammoth bone.

[Joe Rogan]

Mammoth bone.

[John Reeves]

But if you look on the next picture.

[Joe Rogan]

So the bottom of that thing was. Oh, wow, that's 25, 000 years old.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's sawed off at the bottom.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

That's enough.

[John Reeves]

If you look closely, you can see the. There's some kind of organic material in some of those cracks and crevices. You see some Schrager lines in there.

[Joe Rogan]

What is a Schrager line? Does that mean, like, saw?

[John Reeves]

That's a line in the mammoth ivory that's different than elephant ivory. Oh, you can tell with a difference.

[Joe Rogan]

And this was probably sawed off a long time ago, and now it's kind of fossilized. Right, Right.

[John Reeves]

Without. Without any prompting. Joe, I've given that thing to other people to hold.

[Joe Rogan]

Huh.

[John Reeves]

You know, sits like that. They pick it up. It's the first thing they do.

[Joe Rogan]

Really.

[John Reeves]

Just like, I know what this is.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's a tool.

[John Reeves]

Everybody picks it up.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, whatever it is, it's perfectly in your hand. It certainly seems like humans made it. There's no way you get something that's that flat out of nature. And it's not like those things snap off. They're not like elk antlers. They don't regrow them.

[John Reeves]

Right. Well, the, the other thing is, I said this last time. I'll say it again. We lived with woolly mammoths for tens of thousands of years. We know what that thing, what that tool is. It's in our DNA. First thing we do when we pick it up, boom, boom, boom. We don't feel like that about rats, people. Woolly mammoth. Little kids love them. Parents love them. Everybody likes woolly mammoths.

[Joe Rogan]

You think it's our DNA because we used to hunt them.

[John Reeves]

Fuck no. We live with them. I think we domesticated them.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[John Reeves]

I think we live side by side with them.

[Joe Rogan]

Really.

[John Reeves]

I really do.

[Joe Rogan]

Why do you think they domesticated them? What makes you think that?

[John Reeves]

Okay, you got a big hairy animal.

[Joe Rogan]

Animal, right?

[John Reeves]

Boy, they got to like muskox. Let's get some of this and make clothing out of it. Let's take this fur.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, but why that? Why domesticate them versus hunt them?

[John Reeves]

You hunt them with a spear. I mean, you can knock one over if it's dead or you stick a spear in it crippled.

[Joe Rogan]

But do you think they actually kept them as like stock?

[John Reeves]

No, I think they just lived together.

[Joe Rogan]

They just lived together?

[John Reeves]

Yeah. They didn't. It's like that polar bear you saw walk up that guy's truck. That one man would go, what the fuck you can do to me?

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[John Reeves]

Well, if you want to kill half your tribe, go try to stick a spear in that guy, right? He's got ten foot tusks, right? And clear the field.

[Joe Rogan]

And also you got to penetrate all that fur and all that hide with a spear. With a spear that you're throwing.

[John Reeves]

And people go, well, they had adolescents. Okay, where are you gonna build a natl atla? On a grassland, right, where there's no sticks.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, how are they making a spear then?

[John Reeves]

Well, I don't know. How are they making a spear?

[Joe Rogan]

They must have some sticks.

[John Reeves]

That's what I'm saying. They didn't. They had spears if they had wood big enough for a spear. But atlatls are not spear size.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's a different shape certainly. But if you have enough wood to make a spear, wouldn't you have enough wood to make an atolat? I mean, when's the invention of the atolat? I don't know, let's find that out.

[John Reeves]

But if you had a spear that you crafted. We have a picture of spear tips that were sent to New York. And that other document in there talks about finding them in association with the bones. They weren't studying this stuff. They just wanted amnh just wanted the booty. That guy Charles Frick wanted these things back in New York City.

[Joe Rogan]

So here's the 17,000 to 21,000 years ago. So if it's 25,000 years ago, it might not even be an Adolato, but who knows how accurate they are with this? Like 20. I mean, that's a big gap. 17,000, 21,000 years ago. This is also people that didn't think that saber toothed tigers lived in Alaska. Right.

[John Reeves]

It's all artist renditions. All of the stuff that we've been taught is based on what somebody painted.

[Joe Rogan]

Or drove or sketched or they initially established. And now they've been defending that timeline.

[John Reeves]

Or even some of the cave drawings that shows people sitting on woolly mammoths. Really? Yeah, I've seen them before online. You know, if you. If you believe everything you see.

[Joe Rogan]

Like when Ted Nugent rode that buffalo on stage, like that kind of thing. That was good, but that kind of thing.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, like, they domesticated them. That's interesting. Interesting. Well, we know humans have domesticated elephants, Right. And they did it a long time ago. And they wrote elephants. I mean, we know they do it in India.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. You wrote them.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I wrote them in Thailand. I don't recommend it.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Just seems like it'd go wrong.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. I don't think I. That'll be part of my thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You make friends with them first. They have a whole process. You do. You feed them, you give them sugar cane, you hose them down, take care of them. Them. You be nice to them first. And then they let you ride them. But you got to be nice to them even when you're riding them. You have to have, like, good energy. They don't. I don't think they necessarily enjoy having a little human on their back. So it's like. It's their world. It just seems like a dumb idea. Like, I'm happy just petting you and giving you food. I don't need to ride you.

[Jamie]

This is pretty badass looking.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that an Adolato?

[Jamie]

I think this might be the one they found.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Jamie]

In France.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie]

Antler Carved out.

[John Reeves]

Antler. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Who's a wizard that figured out how to make something to put extra leverage on a spear.

[John Reeves]

His name was Hook Musk.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the other thing that Dan Richards was bringing up. Like the fact that bow and arrow is a difficult thing to invent, but yet they invented it all over the world. Does that make sense? Or were people traveling from all over the world with the technology of the bow and arrow and. And spreading it around the world. He said that might make more sense than all these people from all these different spots all figuring out this complicated thing where you get a thing, you pull it back, you get a string, and you're letting loose, and the arrow has to fly. Perfect. And more likely, someone figured it out in some place, and it was so awesome that they started spreading that idea across the world.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. And it takes a while back then to get the word out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

I mean, people had to travel to spread the word. They didn't. I don't think they had smoke signals that explain it in the sky.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think you'd be able to explain a bow and arrow in the sky with smoke signals. I'm willing to go on a limb on that.

[John Reeves]

We Come up with the expression the cloud. We use the cloud now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that was the original cloud. Smoke clouds. But I mean what did they send? Did they have a code when they had smoke signals or was it just the smoke itself?

[John Reeves]

Yeah, I had no idea.

[Joe Rogan]

So you found spear tips. Have you found arrowheads as well?

[John Reeves]

Not arrowheads, only spear tips.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's more primitive.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. And the way we collect, we don't get all the small stuff, but we bail all the small stuff out of the drainage and we stack it so it can get. It can be gotten later. We don't lose any of it.

[Joe Rogan]

But you might have a bunch of like spearheads just laying around.

[John Reeves]

I bet we have millions of what I call microfossils. Millions really? In the stuff that we bail with the equipment and just stack it up.

[Joe Rogan]

When you first discovered the saber toothed tiger head, when was that?

[John Reeves]

I found one in 1974.

[Joe Rogan]

That was the first one.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, but I was mining up north.

[Joe Rogan]

And when you found that, what was the reaction to that? Did it have the teeth in it and everything or was it just.

[John Reeves]

It had one full tooth and one. One broke in half. Really? And I. I think I told you. The British Museum visited.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

Go after to take it back and clean it and restore it and send it back to me. Never saw it again.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course.

[John Reeves]

The one that was sent to them.

[Joe Rogan]

How gross is that? That they just keep doing that same.

[John Reeves]

They do it all. That's what they do.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

And in the last year.

[Joe Rogan]

Why should you have it? This is important for humanity. Some dirty gold miner.

[John Reeves]

The Smithsonian ammonition got in trouble for grave robbery. Robbery robbing. Most museums have done that. They've taken artifacts from cultures and they just keep them.

[Joe Rogan]

So these people, they found this saber. They got this saber tiger.

[John Reeves]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that one.

[John Reeves]

That's a cave lion skull that we found.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy. Was that supposed to be there? The cave lion?

[John Reeves]

Yes, that was the only. That's the best one ever found in Alaska.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

My son Kenzie and I found that together.

[Joe Rogan]

Fucking. Hey, that thing's amazing. Look at the teeth on that thing.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

So this saber tooth skull is probably very valuable that you found.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And because I've seen them for sale.

[John Reeves]

Right. Namnh says they don't have one. But we were going through the shipping records and we can see where they were shipped one. The correspondence that I just posted talks about them getting them and camels and other, you know, other things that were sent somehow disappeared.

[Joe Rogan]

Does Lorenzo Fertitta have a saber tooth skull in his office? See if that's true, Lorenzo Fertitta is one of the gentlemen who owned the UFC before they sold it to wme. Billionaire character, loved MMA and really was the reason why the UFC blew up, along with Dana White. White and his brother Frank bought it.

[Jamie]

From a museum in Dallas.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Let me see what that looks like. I think it's like, a lot of money. So if you think about your skull and this gets a hold of it, there's probably some over there. That's really rich.

[John Reeves]

I was offered 85 grand for that one. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Here's one for 500 grand.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. Holy.

[John Reeves]

Holy. Shit's right?

[Joe Rogan]

Holy. How amazing must that thing have been to see live?

[John Reeves]

They got a bunch of mint La Brea Tar Pits. I mean, a bunch.

[Joe Rogan]

How much did Lorenzo Fertitta pay for the one? Doesn't say.

[Jamie]

There's this article that had words. It didn't have the picture of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you Google Lorenzo Fertittas and see images?

[Jamie]

I mean, that's what. Yeah, that shows me other saber.

[John Reeves]

I can't.

[Joe Rogan]

What about that article? Article? That first article. No picture of it. How dare you. Bloody Elbow. You would think that a website called Bloody Elbow.com would really be on top of it. It was 15 years old. That's 2010.

[Jamie]

2012 is when the article was posted.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow.

[Jamie]

There's $160,000 there.

[Joe Rogan]

What? It's only 160 grand.

[Jamie]

Fossilized saber tooth.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I thought it was like, millions.

[Jamie]

Could be small, too. I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I wonder what that one that was sold at the auction went for. How fucking cool are those things, though, man? Like, what a wild, amazing design that nature created. This is a whole skeleton.

[Jamie]

40 million years old, it says.

[John Reeves]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

How many of you found up there of saber tooth skulls?

[John Reeves]

Two.

[Joe Rogan]

Just two. Wow.

[John Reeves]

Well, it's. It's. When you come up, give me enough of advance notice and maybe send Jamie up in advance and we'll put a little.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie never leaves his apartment. He's not gonna go to Alaska. Look at him. Oh, what's he gonna do with Carl? Can you bring Carl up there? Carl won't survive.

[John Reeves]

Carl get along just fine with our dogs.

[Joe Rogan]

He'll run off.

[John Reeves]

We'll put up putting green for him.

[Joe Rogan]

He'll attack your dogs. He's a little torpedo.

[John Reeves]

But put up a. You need to start coming up there in the summer and we'll do.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that the move?

[John Reeves]

Some podcasts. The summer podcast from Fairbanks. The Bone. The Bone Crew. Bring your friends with you. It'd be like, protect our Parts only. Parks only different.

[Joe Rogan]

Protect our parks in Fairbanks. That would be fun.

[John Reeves]

It would be fun.

[Joe Rogan]

That would be a good one. To do it at your area where you do it.

[John Reeves]

It put it in archive building, take.

[Joe Rogan]

A day tour the site. Yeah, it's just I want more people to know about it, I really do, because I don't think I've ever heard of anything like it. I don't think I've ever heard of a spot like that where there's that many woolly mammoth bones and cave bear bones and all this you're pulling out of the ground.

[John Reeves]

We have fun with it.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, how many different dead animals? Like different extinct types of animals?

[John Reeves]

At least half a dozen. Wow. At least. I mean, it's just. I don't know, because we have 300,000.

[Joe Rogan]

Fossils and you haven't examined all.

[John Reeves]

Oh, fuck, no, no. We only have time to pick them up and maybe I'll take a picture and maybe Drew will or one of my guys, my kids, my wife, somebody might take a picture of it. Or we'll take a picture of them holding it.

[Joe Rogan]

It seems like such a lost opportunity to know about this things. And unless you're willing to give in to these guys who have obviously been deceptive with you in the past, how do you get real studies done up there? It's such a conundrum.

[John Reeves]

The bones ain't going anywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

If, if, if the timing ain't right, the timing ain't right. If the politics aren't right. I'm not, I'm not going to litigate this. It's not worth my time.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also they've shown that they're not willing to be honest with you. The people with the British Museum that stole your sable tooth tiger skull. What's going on with the amnh? Like, why would you work with anybody when you don't have to?

[John Reeves]

No, I don't want to. If they're not going to play fair, I don't want to play with them.

[Joe Rogan]

It's such a fucking shame because it's an amazing site. It's such an amazing area that I would think that they would be flocking to try to work with you. Just do anything they can just for the information. I mean, think of how many discoveries. First of all, the proven fact that saber tooth tigers lived in a place they didn't think they live.

[John Reeves]

Lift.

[Joe Rogan]

That alone should be worthy of discovery. You need to take a leak. We can wrap this up.

[John Reeves]

No, no, no, no. I got stuff. I'm not done yet.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, we're not done yet. This is Dana skull, not Dana has one.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, geez. Look at that thing.

[Jamie]

So I read through the article and it was saying Dana. Dana bought it from a museum.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy. That's amazing. All right, we'll take a leak. We'll be right back. Dana White got an awesome skull. All right, we're back, sir.

[John Reeves]

Well, that pneumonia has a certain amount of recovery time, I'm sure.

[Joe Rogan]

How long is it it?

[John Reeves]

Three months maybe.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? God damn.

[John Reeves]

Took 50 years for me to up my lungs, but I'm cleaning them up now.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, now's the goodest time as ever. Just definitely better now than tomorrow.

[John Reeves]

It's the only time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

So where were we?

[Joe Rogan]

Dana White has a giant saber tooth tiger head off. And you were telling me you had topics that you wanted to cover that you brought notice.

[John Reeves]

Well, we were talking about the gas line.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

Got that going.

[Joe Rogan]

No, there's no worry at all about the environment with these gas lines.

[John Reeves]

There always is. You're going to have people sue people. We don't want this.

[Joe Rogan]

We Alaska's, they're worried about environmental disasters, right?

[John Reeves]

Yeah. But that oil pipeline has been running for a long time. Provides 12% of our country's gas oil. No problems. Well, we had a problem at, you know, fly reef.

[Joe Rogan]

What was that?

[John Reeves]

Exxon Valdez.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, that was a big problem. Yeah, Yeah, I remember that. That was 1988, right, wasn't it?

[John Reeves]

Don't remember the exact date.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it was because I remember people were freaking out that that thing wrecked and emptied out a whole oil tanker. 89 Exxon Valdez oil tanker ran aground Bly reef in Alaska's Prince William Sound spill. Released more than 11 million gallons of crude oil. The largest oil spill in US History at the time. But that's probably not nearly as much as that one that blew out in the ocean. That was just spraying oil.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, that had a be. Yeah, probably more than that.

[John Reeves]

You're talking about the one in the overseas or the one here?

[Joe Rogan]

The one here.

[Jamie]

Deep Water Horizon.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, that one. How much did that release? That's what people are scared of.

[Jamie]

Says it was continuously releasing oil, natural gas, for 87 days.

[John Reeves]

Jeez. Well, I brought you some goodies.

[Joe Rogan]

What you bring?

[John Reeves]

Well, some things that you can remind you of the boneyard.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, okay.

[John Reeves]

We make. We got a little bag here for you too, Jimmy.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you got here, buddy?

[John Reeves]

Stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Stuff.

[John Reeves]

Stuff that Drew and I make.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, guitar picks. Oh, snap. Didn't we give one to Gary Clark Jr. Yeah, you did.

[John Reeves]

Thank you for that.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my pleasure.

[John Reeves]

Thought you might want some more. Some little pendants. You can give them to your kids or whoever to put on a necklace. Those are pieces of mammoth ivory.

[Joe Rogan]

And how old do you think this little piece is?

[John Reeves]

That's a pendant that's probably 30, 40,000 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that nuts?

[John Reeves]

Drew and I make those.

[Joe Rogan]

Doesn't it seem kind of crazy? There's so much of it, you're allowed to just carve it up and make stuff out of it.

[John Reeves]

We just use broken stuff. Yeah, we just. We have tons of broken tusks. They can't be restored. Complete tusks. We don't. We just restore them and then move on to the next one.

[Joe Rogan]

And most of them you just have stored. You must get a lot of offers where people want to buy them, right? Yeah, we tell them, go pound sand.

[John Reeves]

I don't tell them that. I just say, hey, go fuck yourself. Got an image show, I understand. Yeah, No, I. I just don't sell tusks. I don't sell any bones. Not even a. Not even. I can give the stuff away because I own it. I can give it away, but I don't sell it.

[Joe Rogan]

Have there been anybody, any researchers or anybody with all these appearances that you've done on the show? It's sort of gotten that whole area a lot of attention. Has there been anybody that has expressed legitimate interest in working with you?

[John Reeves]

There has been expressions of interest, but they want to come up, and they have no place to study stuff. They want to send it all outside to their house and wherever, Their. Their university, wherever.

[Joe Rogan]

And you don't want that.

[John Reeves]

It won't come back.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

And the work won't get done right.

[Joe Rogan]

Or at least it won't come back. At the very least, it won't come back.

[John Reeves]

Now, you recall last time I was here, I gave you some gun grips from the guy that makes those, Burkett Customs. Well, since then, he got into making firearms.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, boy.

[John Reeves]

So he made it out. Drew and I, a couple 1911s. I posted those real nice that he's getting into that.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, look at that. Oh, and he uses your map. Wow. Look at those handles. That's crazy.

[John Reeves]

Isn't that something?

[Joe Rogan]

Now, is that the blue one?

[John Reeves]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Is the. Is that the blue? Mineralized?

[John Reeves]

It's. Yeah, it's. That's a section of a mammoth tooth that's been cut.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

And the one on the bottom is mammoth tusk.

[Joe Rogan]

And so the mammoth tooth that's been cut, is that the natural color of it, that blue?

[John Reeves]

No, I Think he. I think he might have put a little coloring in it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow. That's.

[John Reeves]

Any epoxy. Isn't that something?

[Joe Rogan]

That is beautiful.

[John Reeves]

He got our name on the guns, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

And the logo. Now we can say we were insured by Burke at Don't Rob a Bank.

[Joe Rogan]

With that gun, because they're gonna know who you are.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, they got cameras that'll tell them.

[Joe Rogan]

That's pretty dope.

[John Reeves]

Anyway, so he did that, and then the other guy who you both have carvings from. Chuck Leak is his name. And you know that one thing that you have, the. The pipe with the tusks?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

I don't think you've ever used it. No, no, that's his kind of stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I see.

[John Reeves]

So he knew I was coming on your show, and he goes, can I make you and Joe a special carving then? Can you give Joe his when you see him? I said, yeah, I'll give it to him when I go down there. So I brought it to you. It's here in this box. This is the kind of stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Thank you.

[John Reeves]

You. Yes. All right.

[Joe Rogan]

Open it right now. Open it right now.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

All right.

[John Reeves]

Anyways, his name's Chuck Leak. Probably the best ivory carver on the planet. There's a picture of him carving a. He carved a letter opener for the Pope. There's a piece of tape there in the middle, Joe, on the front, right where your hand is.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I see it.

[John Reeves]

Might have to cut it or something.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

There we go.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. This is crazy. What is this?

[John Reeves]

Mammoth tooth with a mammoth carved into it.

[Joe Rogan]

That is incredible. Look at that. The size of that tooth is insane.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so heavy.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

My God. That's amazing carving, too. Oh, look at that. That's so beat. That will stay here. Right here. Might clear off a spot for it.

[John Reeves]

Yep, there we go.

[Joe Rogan]

Right here. That's sick. That's amazing. That'll go right next to your other bone. Thank you very much. That's incredible. What's his name again?

[John Reeves]

Chuck Leak.

[Joe Rogan]

Chuck Leak. Shout out to Chuck Leak.

[John Reeves]

Mammoth mogul.

[Joe Rogan]

That's incredible.

[John Reeves]

Instagram.

[Joe Rogan]

Part of me feels bad that he carved into this tooth, because I kind of just would rather have the tooth, but the art work itself is insane.

[John Reeves]

We can arrange that, Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I'd like it by itself, too. I like the. The art, too, but it's just, like. I just feel weird about people carving into stuff that's so valuable and ancient.

[John Reeves]

I've had him make me one for every animal that we found. He's got him with Horses.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie, you got to pick this up. Feel how heavy this is. This is so crazy.

[John Reeves]

Here, Joe, Hand. Hand. Jamie. This too.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a two.

[Jamie]

It's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy. That. That's a tooth. How big were these?

[John Reeves]

Huge. That's a. That's probably an adult female.

[Joe Rogan]

That's amazing.

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And they want us to believe that hunters wiped all those out.

[John Reeves]

No way.

[Joe Rogan]

Spears, shut the up.

[John Reeves]

No, they. Anyways, truck is made for every animal that we found out there. He's made a. Taken a mammoth tooth and carved the animal inside it just like that. Mammoth.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow. Including saber toothed tigers. Wow, look at that one. That's incredible. Amazing work. It's really good.

[John Reeves]

Well, I want to get the saber tooth tiger back right now. I can't seem to find it. One museum stole one and I think the other museum stole one too.

[Joe Rogan]

So one museum stole one?

[John Reeves]

One. The British Museum stole one. The one where AMNH says they never got one. But the correspondence that's listing there talks about them being shipped to New York. Talks about the agreement we had with amnh.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it never got there. Sorry.

[John Reeves]

Auto Geist was a scumbag that collected for him. He was a railroad field hand. Now he ended up with a doctorate in anthropology from the University of Alaska. Who was in on this whole.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I would guarantee that if I lived in like 1920 or some shit like that. And I knew that one of my buddies that I've been donating to his museum was about to get a saber tooth, tiger headed. And I wanted that for my house.

[John Reeves]

You'd have it.

[Joe Rogan]

You'd probably make a little deal.

[John Reeves]

Of course you would make a little deal.

[Joe Rogan]

I want to give you a million dollars in grants. And next thing you know you have people over for a cocktail party. Come into the lounge. I want to show you something I acquired.

[John Reeves]

I have a letter posted of what I consider pretty interesting way to offer a bribe back in. Back in the day.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[John Reeves]

Yeah, it's posted.

[Joe Rogan]

What was the. How did they do the bribe?

[John Reeves]

It was a letter from Childs Frisk to the president of the University of Alaska. And a sentence that got my attention was, well, first of all, you invited them to join him and his wife in New York City for a night at the mansion. And then the last sentence was, and we can discuss things that man always needs more of. Well, you don't buy that. You rent that gold.

[Joe Rogan]

What does man need more of?

[John Reeves]

I would say money.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it has to be that. It has to be. He's offering him what man Needs more of. Yeah, that's a nice way of saying it.

[John Reeves]

Back in the day, they were. It was a king's English. They talked proper and all that stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Like I said, Dan Richards brought that up, that he thinks that that's what happened to a lot of ancient Egyptian artifacts. And they're probably scattered all over the country or over the world, rather, in the hands of wealthy collectors. Makes sense. You know, people always want to have something that is very rare and that they're not supposed to have, you know.

[John Reeves]

And we all collect stuff, you know, what do you collect? What is your favorite thing to collect?

[Joe Rogan]

Pool cues.

[John Reeves]

Pool cues. There you go.

[Joe Rogan]

I love pool cues. They're functional artwork for a game that I'm completely addicted to.

[John Reeves]

I. I think he'll be able to make a few out of that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, he definitely will.

[John Reeves]

I don't. I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Go to get a photo of sugar tree cues. He's.

[John Reeves]

If he turns it on a lathe or what.

[Joe Rogan]

My friend Eric, he. He goes out into the woods and gets his own wood. Like, he does everything from the bottom to the. To. To the final production of it. He's a. A really rare guy because his cues, he make, like, there's a lot of cues. They make them real fancy with a bunch of different inlays and different stuff. But what he uses mostly is just the natural beauty of the wood itself. He's like. He loves wood. And so his key. Like, look at that. Look at the burl on that handle. I mean, my God, that's so gorgeous. And that's just nature's gorgeousness. That's nature's artwork. And that's what Eric makes most of his cues. Like, they're. It's all nature's artwork. And they also play incredible. He's a really good pool player, too, which is kind of important if you're going to be a guy who makes cues. Like, click on that link right there where you just had AZ Billiards. Right there. That one. That's some of his work right there. Like, it's all so beautiful.

[John Reeves]

Holy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, and it's like I said, you see how his work. It just really highlights the beauty of the wood itself. And they play really good, too. That's the thing about pool cues. They all play different, but his. They all have a lot of feel to them. Like that one right there by your cursor right there, it says Facebook that click. Yeah, right there. Look at that thing. Look how beautiful that handle is.

[John Reeves]

I can't imagine the work that goes into making one of those.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's a lot of work, but it's also that the gorgeousness of it is just natural. Just natural wood. So I'll send him this stuff. He uses mammoth ivory.

[John Reeves]

I got more if he needs more. You know, I don't know what size he needs or how thick it should be.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know either. I'll ask him.

[John Reeves]

My daughter's Elora, who's married to Drew out there. She makes the jewelry. Last time we talked, it said she was Saks Fifth Avenue. She's gone beyond Saks Fifth Avenue. Drew and I are still muddling around in the Dollar General with what we do. We're not. We're just making a lot of stuff that people like, like the guitar picks and the ball markers and the pendants. But she takes gold nuggets that she finds and uses ivory that she finds and puts it all together in some beautiful jewelry. And I'm plugging her. It's my daughter, Elora Longley does.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You showed it to us the last time. It's really beautiful stuff.

[John Reeves]

I made that necklace for you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And again, that stuff is like you're dealing with something that's 30,000 years old.

[John Reeves]

Amazing, the shine on that wood. You put that on there, and you can shine it to a mirror finish. You can see your face in it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's wild.

[John Reeves]

It is.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just also so cool to be in possession of something, like just. Just to hold this in your hand and to know that this is a part of an animal that roamed the earth 30,000 years ago. Pretty incredible stuff.

[John Reeves]

It is.

[Joe Rogan]

When you're walking around that area, do you get a sense of it like this? Does it feel weird when you're walking around there?

[John Reeves]

It does, because the stink. Oh, the stink is incredible.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Because it's all rotting, right?

[John Reeves]

Yeah. We go in in the morning, There might be a wolf or a couple coyotes or a lynx or two just kind of rooting around in there going, hey, come back later.

[Joe Rogan]

Just smelling the rot.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. They're looking for it, and they find it, and they find bones. They'll come up to our pallets and take bones right off of them.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

And they'll chew them. Like, they'll chew chunks out of them. It's incredible. You know, the stink is unreal.

[Joe Rogan]

And if it wasn't frozen, that's probably what happened to most of the bones that were left behind by all the animals that didn't get. That didn't die.

[John Reeves]

In permafrost, we have bones that have tendons still attached. Wow. And.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you were telling me about a guy who ate some of the. Oh, yeah, he ate some old meat.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. Off a Blue babe, which was 38. The other bison I'd say was 38,000 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they talk about dry aged.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, they had us. Well, you know, we all eat that. He had a stew made out of it.

[Joe Rogan]

What was it like?

[John Reeves]

I talked to him at the boneyard. He came out there. He's up in years now, but Dale Guthrie, I believe his name is, and he wrote a book on it on ice age stuff. He made a big old casting of a woolly mammoth that I bought. Bought not from him, but he sold it to somebody who sold it to a. Another guy I knew who had it for sale.

[Joe Rogan]

And he made a stew out of old bison meat.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, they found the whole bison. A mummified bison. If you saw that little. There it is. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Dinner party that served up 50, 50,000 year old bison stew.

[John Reeves]

And I think it's 38,000, but that's all right. Wow. Dale Guthrie. You know the guy's name.

[Joe Rogan]

I would have had to take a bowl of that. I would have had to try it.

[John Reeves]

When you come on up, you come on. I want to try.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm going to try it last. I'll let a bunch of other eggheads try it first and stare at them. How you feeling? Who knows what kind of diseases are in that bison bone that you're thawing out now.

[John Reeves]

I'm gonna go heavy duty on this carnivore diet.

[Joe Rogan]

You should.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. Nothing but bison and mammoth.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it will. It'll definitely radically decrease your hunger. To make the stew for roughly eight people, Guthrie cut off a small part of the bison's neck where the meat was frozen while fresh. When it thawed, it gave off an unmistakable beef aroma, not unpleasantly, mixed with a faint smell of the earth in which it was found. With a touch of mushroom, he once wrote, then added. They then added a generous amount of garlic and onions along with carrots and potatoes to the aged meat. Couple that with wine, it becomes a full fledged dinner. They show a photo of what the dinner looked like. They didn't take pictures back then?

[John Reeves]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

How do you not take pictures of your food?

[John Reeves]

I told you the story of the guy that found that.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

Not a good. It wasn't a good look. Yeah, but they closed his mind down. They extra take that out, you know, they were supposed to get it out that day and it took them all summer. The miner got shut down just because of this bison? Yeah, yeah. He went over to a different creek, I think I told you this called no Gold Creek. I don't think there's any gold on no Gold Creek. Didn't have a good winter because he.

[Joe Rogan]

Couldn'T go to the other place because of the bison.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a pain in the ass.

[John Reeves]

Ron Roman's his name. Yeah. He's a.

[Joe Rogan]

Was there any other way to do it? Was there a way to work around it?

[John Reeves]

That was the only other ground he had. They tied up the whole thing. I mean, they. You're done. And then when they're done, he went back in.

[Joe Rogan]

But is it his land?

[John Reeves]

Yeah, it was patented land that he had. It was my company land. He was on my ground.

[Joe Rogan]

And they have the ability to shut things down for discovery like that?

[John Reeves]

Yes, they did.

[Joe Rogan]

How come they don't have the ability?

[John Reeves]

He was a nice guy and they.

[Joe Rogan]

Said, let him do it.

[John Reeves]

We're going to get in here. Will take us a day to get it out. He said, go ahead.

[Joe Rogan]

I see.

[John Reeves]

And then he said, we. We can't do this, the whole thing.

[Joe Rogan]

And then they could never get him out of there.

[John Reeves]

They took it out. Took them all summer to get it.

[Joe Rogan]

And then it.

[John Reeves]

Him. Yeah. You only get. You only get 100 days to mine where the water turns to ice.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[John Reeves]

If you're not mining, then you're done. So every day is a 1% day.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's terrible.

[John Reeves]

Or 10%. You know, it's like every day.

[Joe Rogan]

So that must have been terrible financially for him.

[John Reeves]

Oh, yeah. It was a horse. He had nothing but pork and beans all winter. He's the one that found the woolly mammoth.

[Joe Rogan]

And is there any other way to mine around that. Where you're not going in that one.

[John Reeves]

Area if you rely on somebody telling.

[Joe Rogan]

You what you can and can't do.

[John Reeves]

We'll get back in here. You can be back here day after tomorrow. Anybody, any miner that I know would say, okay, come do it. I know I'm gonna lose a day, but we'll work on equipment that day. But if you come back in the day after tomorrow and they say, sorry, we're gonna be here for a few.

[Joe Rogan]

Months, what would you do?

[John Reeves]

I wouldn't tell them I found the fucking thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Because you have experience with these kind of people.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, yeah, I, I would. I, you know, I can't even. It's. It's not like I'm keeping this discovery a secret, people.

[Joe Rogan]

Tell me how many Instagram followers you have.

[John Reeves]

500 and over 500,000.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's not a secret. Let's see how much it is after today, too.

[John Reeves]

Well, I appreciate you doing this because this gives us an ability to get the word out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[John Reeves]

And it's important to get the word out to get the other things to fall in place.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I think it's important too.

[John Reeves]

And I appreciate the fact that you. You enjoy the shit out of this prehistory stuff, dude, I do.

[Joe Rogan]

I love it. And I also love the way you're handling it. I think it's. It's. We're very fortunate that a guy like you owns that piece where you're willing to talk about it publicly and make a stink about it and let everybody know like there's a real part of the puzzle in the history of this earth. That's right there.

[John Reeves]

It's not that even that complicated a puzzle. The puzzling part is what the is AMNH doing. They've had those bones in their basement for a hundred fucking years. They were required in the original deal to do a report on every bone they took. And they were only supposed to take bones of scientific value. This bone has no scientific value to them. They took it. This bone has no scientific value to them. They took it. None of the bones they took have scientific value, primarily because they don't know where they found them. I have all that information in my files. I have all the stratigraphic information of everything they found. Don't you guys think you ought to weld it to me?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

And we'll say, well, this bone came out of 35ft on Woodchopper Creek, Coldstream Creek, Miller Creek, whatever creek it came off.

[Joe Rogan]

So you. You could be able to find the exact locations and where it was dug.

[John Reeves]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So let me ask you this. You know, in a best case scenario, what would happen? They would give you the bones back, and then what would you do?

[John Reeves]

The experts would come in after I built a facility where they study them. I understand. They're not gonna. We have a. We have a lab in San Francisco. We're gonna send the bones to San Francisco. We'll have a lab here. I'll build the motherfucker. I've already offered this up to them and they still don't jump on the chance. How many dumb shits are around like me?

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe you have to build it first. And they will come like the fucking. And feel the dreams.

[John Reeves]

Yeah. That was a movie, by the way. I love that movie.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a good movie.

[John Reeves]

But I. I've learned my lesson on if you build it, it will Come. Yeah, because we built. We just built one. They didn't show up. So we use it. We use it for our own purposes.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, maybe we could put the bat signal out here on this show. And there's got to be some paleontologists that are absolutely fascinated by this, that are willing to figure out a way to make it work.

[John Reeves]

They just can't take the bones out of Alaska. And they got to be like, no bullshit researchers, scientists, people that know what they're talking about, because I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

They're gonna want it for museums, huh?

[John Reeves]

They can't have it.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But that's probably what's gonna, like if they do find some extraordinary stuff. The way they get value out of that is by putting it on display, doing studies on it, and then putting it on display so people can come pay money to see it. Right.

[John Reeves]

If I go to amnh, let's say every day for every once a week for 52 weeks, it's the same displays every week. So all the stuff they collect doesn't go on display. It goes down in the storage or it goes out in the East River. The deal with my company, the nozzlemen, they called them. There were 200 guys, working giants. And the giant guys, the nozzle guys. Part of the perks of working for that company was if you find a tusk, you can have it. They could take the tusks home with them.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[John Reeves]

Yeah, and the skulls and whatever else they found.

[Joe Rogan]

No one cared back then.

[John Reeves]

Nobody cared. The company didn't care. Take them. And then these guys from New York, the swift talking city dudes, they come in and go, oh, we want them. So they made it so the men couldn't take them. And they took them all. Scientific value, nothing. They took them all. Well, let's just imagine you're the grandson of one of the old style nozzlemen who's now dead. But he passed that tusk along to his kid, and now it's yours. That tusk could be worth $200,000. That could come in handy to that family. Maybe they could have used that money along the way instead of not having.

[Joe Rogan]

It, instead of the AMNH just having it in their basement.

[John Reeves]

And the letter that is on there talks about hundreds, hundreds of tusks that were shipped there. I've seen them. It's not like I'm making this shit up. I was down there. I took pictures of them.

[Joe Rogan]

You were down there in the basement?

[John Reeves]

In the basement. It's incredible. These. These big crates haven't been opened ever.

[Joe Rogan]

And they're just filled with tusks.

[John Reeves]

Well, the tusks are on these big shelves like you see at Costco. They go way up high. Yeah, just shelves of shelves and bison heads and stuff. And then the crates are the bones, leg bones, teeth.

[Joe Rogan]

How the can they just leave that there?

[John Reeves]

It's in storage.

[Joe Rogan]

That seems so insane that you have this extraordinary place that really doesn't get attention until you get on social media. And then the world knows about it, but they've known about it for a hundred years. Like, that seems like something you would want people to know about.

[John Reeves]

Nobody gave a shit. My company didn't care until, you know, they didn't envision a guy like me coming along and owning this company. They had. No, no. When I. When I bought the company, I started going through the files, going, let's see what I bought. You know, like the. Let's see what. Oh, look at that. I got a lease with the government. Oh, here's another one. I got another lease with the government. Yeah, I got a piece over here. Guy offered to buy. Now I don't want to sell it. So I go through all these things and I find the deal with the bones. And I went to the museum. I said, I bought Alaska Gold Company. I want to go get the bones. He goes, I was wondering when you're going to show up. Off to New York we go. Got bullshitted. Oh yeah, we're going to return them when we. After we take care of the asbestos abatement problem up down there. Anyway, I told you all this. And yeah, they have yet to get a hold of us. It's gone to our state legislature to see if they can help. It's coming back to Alaska. Those are my bones. And if they're afraid that it's going to go, well, Reeves, you know, they're worth a lot of money. You know, he. He could sell them. Them. Look, just send them back and if I want to sell them, I'll sell them. They're my bones also.

[Joe Rogan]

You haven't sold what you have. It doesn't even make any sense.

[John Reeves]

It's a fucking hobby. You know, we're all queer for something. You know, some people collect stamps, some people collect coins. My mom used to collect napkin, you know, quilts and stuff like that. I collect bones in historic sites. I like his. Well, I got a degree in history. He probably didn't know that. Historic preservation. I like to fix up old shit. Talking to a guy about the nana, which. Where the golden spike was driven by Harding, that just went up for Auction on Christie's.

[Joe Rogan]

What is that? Explain that.

[John Reeves]

A golden spike railroad spike that Warren Harding came up and drove in the. In the railroad back in the 20s when they completed the Alaska Railroad from Anchorage up to Nenana, which is.

[Joe Rogan]

Keep someone from stealing that.

[John Reeves]

Well, they didn't leave it in there long. Oh, they drove it in. They took the photo op. They did all that, then pulled it out. Pulled it out. And somebody bought it. And somebody else bought it.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa, look at that. That's crazy. Wow.

[John Reeves]

So I did some figuring on the weight of it and figured how much gold content was in it.

[Joe Rogan]

$200,000?

[John Reeves]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[John Reeves]

It was only valued at like, 30 to 50.

[Joe Rogan]

But just the historical significance of it makes it worth 200 grand.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, and. And I know the guys that bought it. I was on the. I was on the auction. I had the guy on the phone, and it didn't take long for me to go past. I ain't buying it. I don't want it. And it kept going and kept going and kept going.

[Joe Rogan]

Would you think it was going to stop at.

[John Reeves]

I was going to stop it around 70. It kept going. It kept going. It kept going.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's probably the same kind of thing that happened with your saber toothed tiger skull.

[John Reeves]

Oh, fuck. That was given away to somebody.

[Joe Rogan]

You think so? Oh, you don't think somebody gave him money for it?

[John Reeves]

Oh, they gave money, but it wasn't sold. It was like a donation. I'm a benefactor. Here's right. Here's for the new wing, right? What do you got? You got any of that Egyptian stuff laying around? Yeah, I want a sarcophagus. What do you say, boys?

[Joe Rogan]

I bet there's a ton of old school families that have, like, deep old school money that have stuff like that squirreled away somewhere.

[John Reeves]

Well, you can. They're always getting arrested for stealing. Mostly they're museum employees. If you. If you ever Google, it's. It's amazing what these guys steal from the. From the. Oh, yeah. Museums aren't money makers, right? You're gonna make money. You're not gonna go own a museum. You know, you're gonna go do whatever to make money. But museums don't make money. So the guys that work there, they go out in the field and some guy says, well, look what I found. Well, that's very interesting. That looks like a saber tooth. I mean, it looks like just a cow head. Well, can you find out for me? Yeah, sure. I'll take it off your hands.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

And off he goes.

[Joe Rogan]

Who's got the Bones Timeline reveals Park Service employees covered up theft of ancient remains. Case of missing bones from the Effigy Mounds National Monument. Took multiple investigations, more than 20 years to locate them.

[John Reeves]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not shocked.

[John Reeves]

Well, we got a site in Florida that we've allowed the University of North Florida to dig on for decades. It's on a Indian mountain there, right on the St. Johns River. And every year I allow them to come out and dig. And they found. So far, they've found hundreds of thousands of artifacts. We're talking about archaeological stuff. You know, arrowheads, sharks, teeth with drilled holes through them, jewelry, beads, you name it. Whatever they made out of fish bones and animal bones.

[Joe Rogan]

And how do you wind up always finding these spots to park at where. Where it turns out there's a bunch of ancient stuff in them?

[John Reeves]

I didn't. My parents bought this property when I was a young guy, but I spent a lot of time as a 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 year old kid just digging. I like digging in the dirt. And the Alaska stuff was about gold. But it didn't take long to find the bones. And the bones to me are. They're more fun. They're more. You know, they're not worth anything to me because I don't sell them.

[Jamie]

Another scandal that the MNH was involved.

[Joe Rogan]

In recently facing scrutiny. A museum that holds 12,000 human remains changes course. American Museum of National History said it would address its collecting of remains which stretched into the 1940s and including practices now viewed as abusive and racist. So it must be Native American bones. Wow.

[Jamie]

All sorts of stuff, actually, but same.

[John Reeves]

Time period we're talking about.

[Joe Rogan]

I like how they put it. They're planning to overhaul their stewardship of more than 12,000 human remains. Painful legacy of collecting practices that saw the museum acquire the skeletons of indigenous and enslaved people taken from their graves and the bodies of New Yorkers who died as recently as the 1940s.

[John Reeves]

30S.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. They probably got reconstruction of a burial of a warrior from mongolia in about 1000 A.D. wow. They decided to remove that.

[Jamie]

I mean, that's just a picture.

[Joe Rogan]

We're not gonna leave it there. What are you doing?

[Jamie]

Look, they were obviously doing some stuff.

[John Reeves]

Oh, they're not. They're not the only ones doing this. Smithsonian's doing this stuff too, I'm sure. And there's not much I can do about it. I mean, it's.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, especially. There's no argument if they've had it sitting on their shelves for all this time.

[John Reeves]

And I've offered to make this happen. Make it. Let's get it back here. It's, you know, an endless, you know, tilt in the windmill and all that stuff. But, you know, I never met you before a few years ago. And prior to that, I would just say the only guy I'll talk to is Joe Rogan about this. Because if I'm gonna talk to anybody, I'm gonna talk to the most influential man on earth. And you weren't supposed to call me, but here I am for the third time.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, of course I was supposed to.

[John Reeves]

I'm fascinated because I didn't want to tell this story. I just wanted to keep boning. And now that it's going, everybody wants me to do all this fucking work. I'm not a research scientist. I don't have all these machines. I can't do all this stuff. What are you asking me for? Go to amnh. That's their job. That's what they got paid to do. What are you chewing my ass for?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, best case scenario, as we described, they give it back to you. Researchers get involved, you build a facility on site, they study it, everybody learns, everybody's happy.

[John Reeves]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

And we have some knowledge at the end of the day.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

That we don't have now, we won't get if we don't do something like this. Because all my bones come from one little two acre spot. And you talk about in situ, you know, in place. It's right there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

You can't find a bone here and find one nine miles away and somehow say they're from the same area, but you can sure find them there. And you can find out where they exactly came from. You can figure out what that, that piece you're holding. You can tell how many times it has sex, male or female, what its diet was, where it traveled to. There's things that you can find out in the collagen that you, you could never find out 20, 30 years ago. So it's, it's kind of cool. And it's very cool. I just got to wait for these other guys to come along. I talked to Max out there. He's my other son in law with Drew and married to my penultimate daughter, Jordan. And he's a really good lawyer. And his interest is in Nil. Have you heard of that?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[John Reeves]

Nil's name, image, likeness for the kids coming out of high school, college and stuff for the pro sports. And he played football for Oregon. He was a center. I watched him play in a Rose Bowl. Good guy. And we were talking a little bit about the Legalities of stuff like this. And he's pretty good on contracts. And he's read this stuff and said, ah, you got him by the balls, man, because he got the receipts. I guarantee you those guys don't have the receipts. They probably trashed them years ago. But I got every one of them. I got all the letters. I got the communications.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, John, I really hope you make some ground. I really do.

[John Reeves]

I plan.

[Joe Rogan]

No pun intended.

[John Reeves]

Because you.

[Joe Rogan]

You tear it some ground up. I appreciate you're out there always fighting this fight and letting people know about this extraordinary discovery that you found in your place. Man, it's amazing. It's always great to have you here. Let's keep doing it.

[John Reeves]

It's been a pleasure. It's always a pleasure seeing you and Jamie every year.

[Joe Rogan]

I hope we make a little progress next year. I hope we have something big to discuss.

[John Reeves]

Yep, we.

[Joe Rogan]

I hope. I hope it cracks. I hope this motivates a lot of people, this podcast, you know, And I. I think. I think people need to be refreshed every year to realize what an extraordinary place you have and how crazy it is that there's not more work being done here.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, it. It's such a simple solution. Just do the right thing. Just do the right thing and just call me up and say, okay, come get them. I'll have tractor trailers parked out there in 24 hours. Let's load them up, boys. They're going north. Put them on the rail out in Seattle. Send them farther north. We got warehouses full of this stuff. I'm at the point now where I'm going. Maybe I should just concentrate on what we do for a living instead of the hobby, you know, I can keep digging them up, but what good is it? We're not going to study them. I'm going to leave that area alone. This has got good gold. I don't need to dig the gold out of there. The gold. Gold's beneath the bones, and we got to get to the gold. You got to go through the bones and we'll get the gold someday. But we found a spot out north of town where we can't. We couldn't get drilled to bedrock. It's 450ft deep. The old timers tried to drill it. They couldn't go deep. They couldn't get to the bottom of it. And I think that's where the fucking hot stuff hit.

[Joe Rogan]

Hit, really?

[John Reeves]

25 miles north of town. I think that's where the high stuff, the hot stuff hit. 450ft. You don't hit bedrock. Are you kidding? What happened there? It blew a hole in the ground. Wow. Unfortunately, I don't own that claim, but I know who does. I'm not telling them where it's at.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[John Reeves]

But I have the records that show what happened there.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I hope somebody does some investigations on that.

[John Reeves]

It'd be cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it would be.

[John Reeves]

The answers. There's a lot of answers in these bones that we don't know what the questions are yet. So it's. It's nice that you enabled me to come in.

[Joe Rogan]

And, John, I appreciate you very much. You're the man.

[John Reeves]

You're the man.

[Joe Rogan]

Always great to see you.

[John Reeves]

You're the guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you for all the stuff, too.

[John Reeves]

You bet. Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

That will take a permanent spot on the desk now.

[John Reeves]

Good.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you, brother.

[John Reeves]

Mammoth. Magic, dude. Yeah. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel it. I feel magic coming off of it.

[John Reeves]

Yeah, you will. I got you some guitar picks in there. All right.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll give more to Gary. We'll do it again next year, my friend.

[John Reeves]

I'll set you up if you got any other players you want.

[Joe Rogan]

All right.

[John Reeves]

Thank you, sir.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you. Bye, everybody.

[John Reeves]

Bye, everybody.