#2320 - Tom Segura

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Joe Rogan Experience #2320 - Tom Segura

Release Date: May 13, 2025

In episode #2320 of The Joe Rogan Experience, host Joe Rogan engages in an extensive and candid conversation with comedian and actor Tom Segura. The discussion spans various facets of their careers, personal lives, and broader societal issues. Below is a detailed summary structured into clear sections, highlighting key points, notable quotes with timestamps, and insights shared by both speakers.

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1. From Short Films to Netflix Success [00:01 - 02:27]

Tom Segura delves into his journey from creating short films to landing a show on Netflix. He emphasizes the challenges of pitching scripted content to major platforms and highlights the importance of authentic, unscripted material in comedy.

Tom Segura [00:34]: "The script won't work. The script won't work. I mean, that's just the thing is, like, it's very funny."

2. Pursuing Original Dreams in Filmmaking and Comedy [02:27 - 11:10]

Tom shares his initial aspiration to venture into comedy movies, inspired by his time at The Groundlings. Although he began with stand-up, his passion for filmmaking remained strong. The conversation touches upon the evolution of his career path and the fulfillment he finds in both stand-up and creating comedic content.

Tom Segura [04:28]: "Sometimes you have to remind yourself of your original dream."

3. The State of Modern Comedy and Studio Hesitation [11:10 - 25:00]

Joe and Tom discuss the current landscape of comedy, noting a reluctance among major studios to produce edgy or offensive material. They argue that comedic content often fails due to studios' fear of jeopardizing profits, leading to a lack of truly funny and risk-taking projects.

Joe Rogan [05:30]: "They start to get more apprehensive about it."

4. Upcoming Projects and Creative Processes [25:00 - 43:02]

Tom reveals his excitement about an upcoming R-rated comedy movie slated for release that summer. He emphasizes the importance of a strong script and surrounding himself with talented comedic actors to ensure the film's success.

Tom Segura [08:17]: "We're gonna go all in on trying to make this really funny movie."

5. Health, Fitness, and Lifestyle Choices [43:02 - 57:00]

The duo shifts focus to health and fitness, discussing weight loss strategies, the impact of alcohol on sleep, and the importance of maintaining a balanced diet while touring. Tom narrates anecdotes about his children’s involvement in Jiu-Jitsu, highlighting the balance between rigorous training and personal well-being.

Tom Segura [08:03]: "People want it. They want to laugh."

6. Parenting, Kids, and Athletic Pursuits [57:00 - 74:00]

Tom talks about his children's athletic endeavors, specifically their experiences with Jiu-Jitsu. He shares humorous stories about his kids balancing school, extracurriculars, and martial arts, illustrating the challenges and joys of parenting active children.

Tom Segura [21:16]: "He told him, well, in life you have to be strong."

7. Technology, AI, and the Future of Media [74:00 - 84:00]

A significant portion of the conversation explores the advancements in artificial intelligence and its implications for media production. Joe and Tom discuss AI-generated content, the uncanny valley effect, and the potential for AI to create indistinguishable replicas of real people and products.

Joe Rogan [64:05]: "They just can make it for cheaper than that."

8. Education System Critique: Nutrition and Finance [84:00 - 95:00]

The speakers critique the U.S. education system for its inadequate emphasis on nutrition and financial literacy. They highlight the consequences of mounting student debt and the lack of practical life skills taught in schools, arguing that this oversight hampers individuals' ability to make informed decisions.

Joe Rogan [50:12]: "They don't teach anybody about debt and about interest."

9. Gambling, Sports Corruption, and Ethical Concerns [95:00 - 125:00]

Joe and Tom delve into the pervasive issues of gambling and corruption within sports, particularly in MMA and boxing. They discuss the manipulation of match outcomes, unethical judging practices, and the financial pitfalls athletes face, emphasizing the need for greater accountability in these industries.

Joe Rogan [89:21]: "The identity is so huge."

10. Social Media, Trolling, and Personal Experiences [125:00 - 135:00]

The conversation turns to the detrimental effects of social media, including online harassment and trolling. They share personal anecdotes about receiving hurtful messages from unexpected sources, such as family members, and discuss the psychological toll of constant online negativity.

Joe Rogan [125:12]: "There's an endless well of us with her on YouTube."

11. Addiction, Relationships, and Personal Struggles [135:00 - 150:00]

Tom opens up about struggles with addiction, recounting instances of impulsive behavior and the impact on his personal relationships. The discussion underscores the importance of resilience and personal responsibility in overcoming challenges.

Joe Rogan [149:32]: "Figure it out, bitch."

12. Free Will, Determinism, and Personal Growth [150:00 - End]

In the final segment, Joe and Tom explore philosophical themes of free will versus determinism. They debate the extent to which individuals can shape their destinies despite external circumstances, advocating for personal accountability and proactive decision-making in the face of life's challenges.

Tom Segura [154:35]: "You just have to make choices."

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Notable Quotes Highlights

• Tom Segura on Authentic Comedy:
  "[04:28] 'Sometimes you have to remind yourself of your original dream.'"

• Joe Rogan on Studio Hesitation:
  "[05:30] 'They start to get more apprehensive about it.'"

• Tom Segura on Upcoming Projects:
  "[08:17] 'We're gonna go all in on trying to make this really funny movie.'"

• Joe Rogan on Education System:
  "[50:12] 'They don't teach anybody about debt and about interest.'"

• Tom Segura on Free Will:
  "[154:35] 'You just have to make choices.'"

Conclusion

Episode #2320 of The Joe Rogan Experience offers an in-depth look into Tom Segura's multifaceted career and personal life. From the intricacies of navigating the entertainment industry to profound discussions on societal issues, health, and technology, Joe Rogan and Tom Segura provide listeners with a rich tapestry of insights and experiences. Their candid dialogue not only sheds light on the challenges faced by comedians and actors but also invites reflection on broader cultural and philosophical topics.

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Note: Advertisements and non-content segments within the transcript were excluded from this summary to maintain focus on the core discussions.

Transcript

[A]

Joe Rogan Podcast. Check it out.

[B]

The Joe Rogan Experience.

[A]

Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. What's wrong with you? How. First of all, how did Netflix let you make this show?

[B]

Well, they wouldn't have let me make it if I just pitched it to.

[A]

What did you do?

[B]

I made a few. I made a few and showed it to them.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I knew. I knew that.

[A]

That if we can't give anybody, like, the script.

[B]

No, no, the script won't work. The script won't work. I mean, that's just. That's the thing is, like, it's very funny. Thanks, man. It's so ridiculous. It's pretty ridiculous. You know, it was a few years ago that I made the, like, the initial one. It was. I was on that crazy tour, that real crazy tour. It was like, you know, 10 shows a week, and I had a break coming up. And so I've always liked movies, like features. Right. But it's. It's a lot. It's a huge undertaking to get a feature made. But I liked short films because it feels like you're making a movie, you know, like a mini movie. Right, right. And it feels much more accessible to do. So I had written all these, like, short stories, short films. And I called my friend Rami Hashash, and I was like, hey, I have a break coming up on tour. Let's shoot a short film. Because we'd done other things before, and when I sent him. I sent him, like, 10 different scripts. He was like, what if we did three of these? I was like, how can we do three of them? He's like, we'll shoot, like, 11 days in a row. We can do three of these stories. And even then, I wasn't thinking of, like, having a television series. I was just like, oh, it'll be fun to make these. These stories, you know? And so after we shot those three, it was clear that we had, like. Like the. You know, the bones of a show. Like, what if we. What if we did a. A show that was based on short stories? You know, like, short films, basically. And I don't know, I. There's. There was another. There's another few that were in the original, and when I sent them in to Netflix, they're like, this is fucking insane, but, like, we'll make six episodes of this. And, yeah, they were just like, this is crazy, but it's been the most fun I've ever had, dude.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Because you know what? I was thinking about it, like, on my way in Here today. I was like, sometimes you have to remind yourself like of what your original, like your dream, like your original dream, you know. And my dream when I moved to LA had nothing to do with stand up. I never thought of stand up. Not to say that I don't love doing stand up today. I, I've like, I, I'm in love with stand up. But I moved to LA because I was like, oh, I want to do movies. Like that was my whole thing I wanted, I want to do comedy movies. And I had like my own blueprint for how I would do it. I was like, I'll go to the Groundlings. SNL will definitely hire me from there. Like, this is like my 21 year old brain. And then I'll do that for a couple years and then I'll do movies. Like I thought that was a logical game plan to, to end up in movies. And it just, you know, I did do the Groundlings for a while, the school, but when I was supposed to do Writing Lab, which was like one of their levels, I had started stand up. And I was just like, oh, this path is just better for me. Like I was getting traction. Not like my career wasn't moving. But I'm saying, like I could feel how much I loved it. And I was starting to get like 50 bucks here and there. And I was like, oh, it's not doing the writing lab thing, it's staying in the stand up path. You know, that's kind of like interesting. But the dream of like, of doing something like movies, which is like, this feels like to me like they sent me to film school and they were like, make your fucked up movies. That's what it felt like. That's been like I was, you know, I was working like 16 hour days doing this thing and I would come home and Christina would be like, I have never seen you so energized after working all goddamn day. She's like, you come home in the best mood. I was like, yeah, because I'm having fun. Like I'm having so much fun doing this, you know.

[A]

Well, that shows you're doing the right thing.

[B]

I think so. I mean, it was like, that is so uniquely you. It is, right?

[A]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's our text thread pretty much.

[B]

Is there are some in here that I can't wait for you to see? Like, there are some in here that I literally cannot wait for you to see. She this morning, she goes, why is it called bad Thoughts? It should be called Cockthots. She's like, she's Like, I swear there's dicks in, like, every other room. I'm like, yeah. She's like, dicks and violence. That's your wheelhouse.

[A]

We need more of this in the world. Yeah, we really do. You know that show, the religious show on Max? Why am I not remembering it? Righteous. Righteous gemstones.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

A yeah, man. Dude.

[B]

Danny McBride. Yeah, he's fantastic.

[A]

Yeah, he's fantastic. But the whole cast.

[B]

The whole cast is.

[A]

Yeah, the show is so good. It's so funny.

[B]

Goggins, Adam Divine, John Goodman.

[A]

Oh, yeah, everyone's amazing.

[B]

They're all fantastic.

[A]

But it's also so ridiculous.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, thank God. It seems like for a while, people were getting scared of making anything offensive.

[B]

I know. And it also feels like so many studios, networks, platforms, whatever you want to call it, are, like, so distanced from comedy. Like, it's like comedy is, like, too dangerous. It's very, like.

[A]

Well, it's weird is you can get away with so much in a drama. In a drama, you could have violence and theft and car accidents. You can fucking kill people and rape people and steal all their money and. And that's okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For some reason. But, like, there's something about doing comedy that's offensive or even potentially offensive.

[B]

Yeah. The other thing is, there's the offensive angle. I also think that they really shit the bed on literally backing truly funny material, like the.

[A]

Com.

[B]

So many studio comedies that. That are released, the. The Critic people are like, why didn't this work? Because it's not good. It wasn't funny.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's not a funny comedy.

[A]

But don't you think part of that is because they can't take any real chances?

[B]

Yeah. There. I think a studio is always, you know, like, if you strip everything down, it's somebody that has to have some risk in their job. They're playing with millions of dollars and saying, like, this. This will make us money.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so, yeah, they. They start to get more apprehensive about it. The other thing is that the cost of some of these comedies, when comedies were really thriving last, which was, I think, like, more than 20 years ago, some of these comedies started to cost, like, 30 million plus to do a comedy. Yeah. Because sometimes you had, like, huge stars and huge set pieces, and you'd have these enormous budgets. Yeah. Like real. And now some of them, like Tropic Thunder, I think, did probably pretty well at the box office. Right. But a lot of them would not. And so it started to be like, hey, you know what? We can make this. That's why you see the explosion of certain genres, right, like horror really has had a huge uptick the last decade. Plus people can produce them for 5 million. But they don't realize that you can produce great comedies for 5 million. Also. You can, but you have to like prioritize the material first. It's got to be a great script and they got to be willing to back it. You know, I feel like they just haven't taken those, those shots yet.

[A]

Well, it's kind of a tremendous opportunity. Right, because the fact that these big studios and these big stars are not doing those kind of films.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Like the door is wide open. It's because the demand has never gone away.

[B]

No, people want it. They want to laugh.

[A]

Always.

[B]

I'm doing one this summer. Yeah, I'm doing a movie this summer. Yeah.

[A]

What are you doing?

[B]

It's a crazy fucking comedy. It hasn't been announced yet, so you know how they are about that. But it's a, it's a wild R rated comedy.

[A]

Well, tell me about it afterwards then.

[B]

Okay, yeah.

[A]

Haha. Everybody else.

[B]

Yeah, no, I can't. I would love to talk about it but, but I think we're, we're doing kind of like what you're saying, which is like we're gonna go all in on trying to make this really funny movie. And I, I mean I couldn't be more excited about it. And I think it's, it's like it takes, you realize when you're, you know, you read it and you go, this is it. We kind of do, you know, some punch ups on the, the script and then you just try to surround yourself with amazing comedic talent, you know, like great actors and just have fun. Yeah, I think that's like.

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[B]

Something that's missing.

[A]

That's so cool. I didn't even know that that was your original dream and I fucking known you forever.

[B]

I know. Yeah, it. I guess I was probably like, I kind of was resigned to that's not going to happen too, you know, not like, I mean, the other thing is like, dude, every time I'm out on the road, you know, I would get a call, hey, they want to see you for this part or you got an offer to shoot this show or this, like, here's the offer. And I'm like, yeah, I'm. I'm on tour. Like, I can't move the fucking United center.

[A]

You know, they don't care.

[B]

They don't care.

[A]

They just want that piece.

[B]

And I'm like, dude, they don't get.

[A]

A piece of that United.

[B]

I know I'm like, I can't move all that. But that's also. I realized that after years of that, it's like, well, if I'm always touring, I'm just never going to be able to do other people's stuff. Yeah. And so it also kind of. I got excited about, you know, having the summer off and I could do something. And then my tour, the current tour I'm on will end in December and I'm leaving 26 wide open.

[A]

Really? Yeah, I mean, film stuff.

[B]

I'm gonna. Yeah, film some stuff. And then I'll still do like what I do, which is like go into your club or book some club weekends, which are kind of like low, you know, stress kind of things where you go like, hey, I'm just gonna go work out. So I'll try to keep the muscle fresh, but I won't book like a tour.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it's good. Take breaks. It is, right, that I took a big break. Sort of a break. I've just been doing a club.

[B]

How's.

[A]

Since I did my live special. Yeah, it's very nice. It's not. It's great having no pressure. So like, I just talk about what I want to talk about, and I write about what I want to write about. Instead of going, I gotta put an hour together because I have a tour in three months.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, I have to make sure this hour's tight. I have to.

[B]

You just kind of take your time with it.

[A]

And I think there's. There's something to be said for taking breaks with standup in particular, because, like, you don't want to just have tools that you use to do a job. Right. You want to actually, like, you have to kind of figure out, what am I investing all my time in these subject matters.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What am I. What am I. What is like, what's interesting to me? And how much time is that going to take to figure out what the perspective is where I could just say it on stage.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I feel like with a lot of comics, there's a thing happens where you get kind of like locked into a set and then you abandon that set and there's this mad scramble to come up with a new set.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And a lot of times when you're doing that new set, it's not. You're not invested in it. It's just, you know, you can make it effective.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

This kind of feels like filler.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I know exactly what you mean.

[A]

And the audience feels that too.

[B]

I think they definitely.

[A]

They do, they do. Because I feel it as an audience member. I know when someone's doing that and I go, this is not. I'm not connecting with this at all.

[B]

Right. But if it's something that you can tell the person wants to talk about. Exactly. It resonates different, actually.

[A]

Interesting. That's. It's like, you know, as I've gotten older, I've thought much more about stand up and I. There's a lot of. Standup is kind of like, unspoken. I think a lot of it is hypnosis.

[B]

Really.

[A]

Yeah. There's a weird thing going on and I get. I get it from great comedians. Like, when I was a kid, there was this guy named Frank Santos, the R rated hypnotist. And he would go on stage and make people do stuff and, like, you're having sex with Madonna. It was really weird. But there was a flow to the way his confidence or something about him. And he was also an actual hipman. Like, you know, hypnotize people to quit smoking and shit, like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And there was something that he was doing where I was like, what is he doing? Like, how is he. Like, what is this connection where it's just so funny. Like, how is he getting into these people's heads? Like, what is hypnosis? And then I see, like, a guy, like a tell on stage when he's killing, and I recognize something in. I'm like, he's hypnotizing us. There's something that he's doing. This effortless, effortless confidence and connection to what he's talking about. And great, great material also. So you give him the reins. You're like, oh, this material so good. I'll give you the reins. Take my brain.

[B]

Take my brain.

[A]

Take my brain.

[B]

And the rhythm of the cadence, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because he has a very particular cadence. And you, you know, if you hang out with him or work with him, like I did a few times, you start doing. A lot of people do start doing the cadence. And I did that. I did that in, like, 0506 when I was like, he was on his show and his out. His first, like, killer album came out. Skanks for the Memories. Yeah. I mean, I feel like I would be talking, like, to you like this. I get on stage, I'm like, how's everybody doing? Like, I would just start doing. Because it's such, like, a hypnotic type of cadence.

[A]

Yeah. Patrice always says that about, like, having babies. Like, that's his babies.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, David Tell has a bunch of babies.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like bunch of people that gave.

[B]

He gave birth to their 100%. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It's. It's super normal. A lot of people have that. But it's. It's interesting how that stuff works. That, that, that. That there's a thing that's going on, which is why live stand up is so much better than stand up on television, dude.

[B]

I also have this thing recently because I'm on tour right now. I realized that, like, man, it's funny how I could be. I could be, like, tired and being tired. Take. I go on stage in a different mindset, and all of a sudden I'm like, wow, that was a way better set. Like, I had the right amount of tired. Not tired where I can't think, but more relaxed, more. Yeah. And then. And then I get off and like, my whole tour crew was like, that was an amazing show. And I'm like, yeah, I feel like I was too tired to be, like, self conscious or something. You know what I mean?

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

Like, like some. Some. Some of my self awareness went away. But, like, the right de. Went away.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then the show just.

[A]

And then you locked in with them.

[B]

Yeah. I also like to tell myself sometimes if I remember that I'm best on stage. If I'm going on stage in a silly mindset, if I'm goofing off backstage.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Around, you know.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Making fun of somebody that's, like, in my crew or something. I don't know, you know, like, dancing in the green room. Like, just silly.

[A]

That.

[B]

That mindset. Walking up on stage is, like, the best one to go on stage with.

[A]

That's why I used to love working with Joey so much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because two things. One, Joey would make me laugh. Like, while he was on stage, I'd be waiting to go on stage. Instead of thinking about my material and going over everything with a fine tooth comb, I'd just be laughing and then I'd go on stage laughing.

[B]

And that's that. That's the thing is, that's an unspoken thing that the audience goes. Like, there's joy coming from this person.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, they feel the joy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They really do.

[A]

Because, like, there's nothing grosser than fake laughs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When a comedian does the fake laugh thing.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Gross.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It just. Like when, you know, they've said that same joke the same way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Every night with the same laugh.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you tricking me.

[B]

You're tricking me out.

[A]

Tricking me. You're a hooker.

[B]

It's so manufactured, you know, it's so.

[A]

Calculated, which is fine. I mean, whatever. Do whatever you want. But it's like there's. There's a thing that comes with that. Like, okay, I'm never going to be fully locked in, but maybe I could just appreciate this for, you know, true. Like, I'm watching a sitcom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

And then there's also nothing as fun as genuine laughter on. Like, if. If something really makes you laugh while you're doing a set, that's the most fun.

[A]

Oh, for sure.

[B]

And that becomes contagious.

[A]

It's like, that's why the bits work so good when you first start doing them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then sometimes they die off because you're getting tired of it and you're not laughing anymore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whereas, like, there's certain things, like, at a subject, when you first start talking about, you're like, what the fuck is going on? How is this a real thing?

[B]

It's so funny because we were just talking about how there's certain bits where you. It kills. Like, it kills. Right. And then over the next few months, it dies. It dies slowly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're trying to do the math. You're like, wait, Am I saying it different? Am I like. You go, listen, right, Did I miss a beat or something? That I miss some connective tissue? Right, what's going on? And it just like, by the end, you're like, no, it's fully dead. It has died. I don't know what happened.

[A]

You just got to be able to accept that they're dead.

[B]

Yeah. That's such a funny thing, though. That happens.

[A]

I have a bunch of bits I call orphans. We have a file of orphans.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Like, they're all bits that just never made it onto a special.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Someone comes up to me, like, every now and then, one of my friends would come up to me like, do you do that? Is that on anything? I was like, that one's just an orphan.

[B]

It's an orphan.

[A]

It's just floating around. It doesn't fit with anything. And it's all so up.

[B]

And sometimes you, like. You ever try to bring those back? I brought some back that didn't make it. And sometimes they get new life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then sometimes you're like, oh, there's a reason why I didn't. Yeah, Carry this one.

[A]

You know when they pop up is bottom of the barrel.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Bottom of the. It's the best. Show the bottom of the barrel. Every now and then I'll pull something out. Actually, y. An ancient bit on this, if I could kind of remember it.

[B]

That's the other thing, is your memory starts to. On the old stuff.

[A]

My memory's gone on my last special. It's gone.

[B]

That's the best thing that can happen. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. It's gone.

[B]

I get called out to, you know, do this bit and I go, I honestly don't remember how it goes. Like, I'll start it and then I'll forget.

[A]

Right. You want to do it?

[B]

Yeah, and then some. They'll know it. They'll know it better than you. And you're like, oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Sometimes that's good. It would be funny if they did it. They acted it out.

[B]

It's pretty fun.

[A]

Yeah. There's this. Certain bits, like, they just leave your mind. It's like, I'm done with this.

[B]

Did you. Did you like any of the acting stuff? Because I know you don't have any interest in doing it anymore, but did you enjoy it?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. News radio was really fun.

[B]

That was fun.

[A]

Yeah. I didn't mind doing it. It's just. I didn't like it as much and I didn't like the time commitment that these. These. I mean, I don't sound Like I'm complaining, acting so hard, but it's like you're working these long ass days.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And as a person who likes to do lot of different things, that becomes a problem.

[B]

And you were on a multi cam.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Imagine if you were on a single cam.

[A]

Way harder that would have been. Single cams are crazy. I had friends that are on single cams. I was like, oh my God, how are you doing this? They were working six days a week and they would work in like 12, 15 hours a day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, this is so crazy. Like, I like to do a bunch of stuff, man. I like to do jitsu. I like to play pool.

[B]

Are you rolling again?

[A]

No, no, I'm still injured. I'm still dealing with some small. It's a lot better now. Lower back issue and a little bit of a knee issue, but that's pretty good too.

[B]

My little guy quit Jiu jitsu.

[A]

Why? Why'd he quit?

[B]

The funniest thing. They both go. Both my boys go. And we, we take them in. And my youngest is like, this is my last one. He's six. And I go, it's your last one. He goes, dude, my schedule is crazy. I go, what?

[A]

He's sick. Copying his dad.

[B]

Yeah. He's talking like me. And he goes, I have a full plate. And I go, you have a full plate? He goes, I go, kindergarten. I got Spanish. I do drums. I don't have time for this.

[A]

That's hilarious.

[B]

And then he told the instructor. He told the, the guy in charge. I was like, tell him. He goes, I won't be coming back. I have a very full schedule. And so that guy kind of like smiled and he goes, well, what do you have? He goes, I told you, Kindergarten, drums, Spanish, I don't have time to do everything.

[A]

He's sick.

[B]

Six. And I go, yeah.

[A]

Is this the one who calls you Tom?

[B]

Well, they both did for a while, but yeah. So he goes, but the instructor was great. He goes, okay, okay. He goes, well, in life you have to be strong, right? And my kid goes, yeah. He goes, it's not an option. And he goes, yeah. He goes, so if you have to be strong, then you have to do this. And my kid's like, yeah. He goes. The instructor goes, so I'll see you Thursday. And he sticks out his fist. And my kid goes, I told you, I'm too busy.

[A]

I.

[B]

And so he hasn't gone. But this is the thing about kids is like, he hasn't gone now in like a month. And then now he's like, Hey, I want to go back to Jiu Jitsu. I'm like, of course. So.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

And also, his older brother is doing very well.

[A]

Ah, that's a problem.

[B]

So he got. He got a new belt, you know, And. And he's. My older brother's, like, him up and talking mad all day. Takes his shirt off every day. And he goes, I'm gonna be so jacked. So he's like, I gotta get back in there.

[A]

That's hilarious.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You gotta hedge your time. Like, you have to figure out, like, what. What do you want to do?

[B]

You are the mo. You're the most insane in my book for a person who does the most different things, because you are. You're highly proficient at archery, jiu jitsu, shoot and pool fitness. This shit stand, like, that's a lot of different things to be, like, very good at.

[A]

Do I have to pick my spots? Yeah, you know, because I'm an obsessive person, right? So, like, I have to, like. That's why I don't fuck with golf. That's why I don't fucking golf.

[B]

Get you, dude.

[A]

Video games will get me.

[B]

I stayed away from video games for 20 years. About. About 20 years. And we got a console. Oh, well, here's the thing. I actually found that I am busy enough where I. In my brain, I can go, yeah, I can't. I can't. I can. I can do 20 minutes on certain days and get, like, a little dopamine, kick from it, like, have fun. But most of the time, I walk by and I go, I want to. I got time to play.

[A]

My problem is if I put that 20 minutes in, I'll be up till 5 in the morning. Yeah, I'll go. I don't need sleep. I just won't work out tomorrow.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I'll just show up half in the bag. I'll eat a lot of creatine, so my brain works.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know to do that?

[B]

Yeah, I started doing it every day.

[A]

Yeah, but that's a really big one for sleep deprivation.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. There was some sort of study where they showed that it completely diminishes the effects of sleep deprivation if you take. I think it's 20 grams. I think 20 grams of creatine. Something crazy.

[B]

Like, I've been doing that. I have a whole new sleep protocol I'm doing. Oh, sleep protocol. Like, I'm saying, a bunch of peptides and shit. Yeah.

[A]

I just ordered an aura ring. Track my sleep.

[B]

That's good. Do you have to try that pineapple, Neil.

[A]

No, I haven't. I heard about it. You were telling me it really ramped up your REM sleep.

[B]

Awesome.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Nice.

[B]

Yeah. Anything for more sleep. I'm into, man.

[A]

Tell you what really affects quality sleep. No drinking. That really affected my sleep a lot.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Were you drinking a lot?

[A]

Not a lot. Not like Burt levels, but like, last time I was sober, I was with him. We were all. It was like. It was a great table. It was like, Taylor Sheridan.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

His wife. My wife was there. Burt and his wife. David Goggins and his wife.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

And then a bunch of my professional pool player friends.

[B]

That's a fun table.

[A]

Oh, it was fucking phenomenal. We had so much fun. We all had dinner together after the UFC fight, and Bert is just throwing back martinis. And I was like, oh, I definitely made the right choice. Yeah, I definitely made the right choice. Like, I'm watching him, he's slowly turning into a human grape in front of my eyes. He's fucking Reddit face. He was hilarious.

[B]

He was.

[A]

I'll tell you that. At the table, we were having a lot of laughs.

[B]

Yeah. But I was like, he can knock him down, dude. He can really knock him down, bro.

[A]

He found out we were leaving, so he ordered two more to down. On the way out the door, he just down two more tees. I'll have to war, like, just down these martinis. On the way out the door. I'm like, this is preposterous.

[B]

It's preposterous.

[A]

And then I talked to him, and he goes, I got all my blood work done. Perfect. Everything's perfect.

[B]

I know.

[A]

So how's that possible?

[B]

He always says that. And I saw somebody comment the other day on our podcast, they go, the documentary about Bert's doctor who says, blood work is perfect is gonna be unbelievable.

[A]

It's a complete charlatan.

[B]

It's gotta be.

[A]

Dirty lab coat with a mouse in his pocket.

[B]

Complete lunatic who's like, you're great. Oh, my God, that's so funny.

[A]

That's so funny.

[B]

Yeah, he lets. We had dinner, and he was like, wine? Wine, anybody? Wine? And I was like, I'm good. He's like, we'll do a bottle of wine for the. And nobody had wine. He just dumps the his glass, and he can drink it in, like, five minutes. It's crazy.

[A]

It's bizarre. Well, it's obvious. Like, it's got to be an adaptive thing, right? Like, running is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you run. Never. You can't run a Marathon.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But if you run a lot, you can run a marathon.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

You get it. Used to it, your body gets accustomed to putting in the miles five before work every day.

[B]

You know, we always talk about that freak show he has in him. Like, he's freaky.

[A]

He's freak. Yeah, we.

[B]

We did the. The 5K in. In Tampa. We had, like, 8, 000 people come out this year. That's crazy. And so many people that are like, you know, making.

[A]

Look at that.

[B]

Yeah. Making leaps.

[A]

By the way, how good is Jelly Roll?

[B]

Look, dude, do you know What?

[A]

He's down £200.

[B]

Yeah. And from last year, 130.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

And he's like, I want to lose another hundred.

[A]

That's insane. So what's he at now?

[B]

He's at 340.

[A]

So he wants to get down to 240. Wow.

[B]

He wants to get to 240.

[A]

He's a big guy. For him, 240 is probably right.

[B]

Yeah, it's probably. And. And I. By the way we were talking before he got there, the 5k had. It was in Raymond James Stadium where the Bucks play. So I was like, well, how are we mapping out 3.1? Well, the only way to do that in a venue of this size is you had to, like, use every, you know, square inch of the place. So they had us go up the ramp. Like, if you're gonna go up to the top, there's a ramp that goes up. It's nine stories up of all inclines, and then you go across, then you go down, and you go up again. Oh, like half a mile plus of incline. Right.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

So before Jelly gets here, I'm like, I don't know if he can do this, man. You know what I mean? Like, he's a big guy still. Knees, cardio, all this, right? Dude, he smashed it.

[A]

That's incredible.

[B]

He did. He did great.

[A]

Did he hire a trainer? Like, how is it. What is he doing? I think some people got rid of his phone.

[B]

I know he has, like, a flip phone that, like, doesn't even. You like that you can. I don't even know if you can get texts on it. So.

[A]

Yeah, he just chucked his phone out. Apparently, like, all the years of drinking, he just gave his phone number out to so many people, and he decided instead of getting a new number.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is what you should do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's like, I'm just. No phone.

[B]

That's awesome, by the way.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

I love. Like, I used to panic when I left my Phone behind. Now when I forget my phone, I'm like, oh, it's gonna be a great day. I left my phone. I'll get it later. Like, I'm just. I feel fine.

[A]

It's a great feeling.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. We're all prisoners.

[B]

We are totally prisoners.

[A]

We're prisoners. And it's going to get worse.

[B]

Oh, this is the thing I wanted to tell you. So some of the Bucks players came out the offensive linemen. These are absolute beasts. 6, 5, 6, 6, 3, 30. Like, just giants. Giants. They're gorillas. And we're doing all this silly competition stuff. Like we hit the. The golf simulator, throw a spear into, like, a bale of hay, and then they're like, oh, we need one more thing. So we have a beer stein holding contest. So it says, oh, Bert won that. Yeah, he. He beat all pro.

[A]

He's been whole. That's like, come on, man.

[B]

But look at these.

[A]

Does that make sense?

[B]

It does make sense, but you still.

[A]

Go, like, skinny guys can throw a baseball a lot faster than these dudes.

[B]

It's just crazy to me, though. Like.

[A]

Like, not to me.

[B]

The upper bodies on these dudes, I'm like, nah, they're. They're these guys.

[A]

Yeah, he's gonna win. He's used to holding beers. Yeah, he's used to holding drinks.

[B]

I couldn't do it. I tapped out. Like, my arm just gave out. And then look at him.

[A]

He's still smiling.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Nothing wrong. That's insane.

[B]

Yeah. And then. Yeah, they slowly fell.

[A]

I bet if he did his left arm, it would fall off. I bet he literally wouldn't be able to. He's been holding up drinks so long. Also, like, toasting crowds for so long. Look at this. Yeah, he beat everybody. He should hold out and just humiliate them after he's done. Just keep going.

[B]

Oh, he held it up after he was done.

[A]

That big guy looks like he's ready to. Ready to break. He gave up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Look at Bert.

[B]

Didn't even look at this. Yeah. Just insane.

[A]

He's a. Like, got incredible genetics. Like, if you wanted to be an athlete, he'd be an incredible outlet.

[B]

Yeah, I think so. If he was, like, super dedicated to it. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. He's just trapped. Trapped in booze. But it's also made him very rich. So.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know what to say.

[B]

Yeah. Working out.

[A]

I love him, you know, I don't want him to change, but I do. I mean, I want him to be healthy, but, like. Like, when we first started doing sober October it was essentially just because we were worried Bert was gonna die.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Yeah. Well, he's still here.

[A]

I mean, the first one was the weight loss thing.

[B]

Blood works perfect. Yeah.

[A]

That's nuts.

[B]

What's that? What type of resistance is that?

[A]

I don't know. I think it's like 100 and something.

[B]

100 and something?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm obsessed with, you know that squeeze machine?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know the thing.

[B]

Oh, yeah. That measures your grip.

[A]

I got 161, and I want to get 190.

[B]

Oh, so you're training for it?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You have one here?

[A]

No, I think we do. Yeah, we do. Out there. Yeah, out in the hallway. But we do at the club. The club. And so when the club. When I first did it, I think I got 147. I was like, well, this is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I got. And then I got up to 61 without these things. I bet just from working out a lot.

[B]

I bet David has a crazy grip strength, which David Lucas.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Big hands. Yes.

[A]

Jamar has one. Jamar Neighbors. I think he got 167. Damn. Jamar strong.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

You see him? You've seen with his shirt off.

[B]

Yeah. He's checked, jacked.

[A]

But, you know, we've had some, like, big dudes come in there and do it. I don't know who's got, like, the record on that thing.

[B]

Record's got to be.

[A]

The UFC had a bunch of guys do it, and I. I forget who had the highest, but I think. I think Alex Pereira was, like, 180. He was up in the.

[B]

Like, he's a big. I didn't realize how big he. I didn't realize because, you know, TV's so deceptive.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And then I saw somebody I know standing next to him, and I was like, holy Wiz.

[A]

Oliveira, 97. Oh, that's crazy. He didn't even try doing their left hand. Michael Chandler, 113. What? No, he's doing his right hand. Are you doing your opposite hand? Because Paul Craig, I think, is a lefty. 126. Bo Nickel. He's a lefty, too. So they're doing their opposite.

[B]

They're doing opposite hand.

[A]

What's his 153? Wyman? Strong as. Let me see what he's got. 153. Stipe's huge. What's he got? He's a left hander, too. Yeah. Fireman strength. He's a big dude, though. 131. Wow. That's crazy.

[B]

Other.

[A]

Other hand 104. Oh, Jesus Christ. Second attempt. 155. All right, so I'm stronger than all those.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

Yeah, but I'm trying to get to one there.

[B]

9190 is crazy.

[A]

I think this is like 1:15 or something like that. I forgot what it is.

[B]

Some of those.

[A]

Hold it.

[B]

Those arm wrestling guys. Oh, yeah, they have freaky forearms.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I was watching this one guy who's a climber, who's a professional climber.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And when they do this. Yeah, he has this basement gym. I might have saved the video, but I think if you find it on YouTube, it's like, I've never seen strength like this. This guy has calves growing off of his forearm bone. It's like a calf.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's doing one finger.

[B]

It's. I don't understand it.

[A]

With like a centimeter of hold. Like it's the. The tiniest little lip that his fingers resting on. And he's pulling his whole body up, this guy.

[B]

But I mean, he's doing the same thing.

[A]

Yeah, look at that. That's crazy. It's not this guy. The other guy is like super jacked. His. His forearms are at least. He's not like bodybuilder size, but the musculature is crazy.

[B]

I saw one of those guys who I guess is in the rock climbing, mountain climbing world, he's considered one.

[A]

Yeah, that's the guy. That's the guy. So this guy does a bunch of freaky. What is this dude's name? Yeah, look at, look at the. Look at that one arm thing. See that? The size of the grip.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Look how fat that grip is. Like, doing a one arm chin up is crazy.

[B]

Look at his back, dude.

[A]

It's crazy. But doing a one arm chip. Look at the size of his fucking forearms. Yeah, doing a one arm chip is crazy. But a one arm chin up with a fat grip like that is off the charts. Nuts. Like, his strength must be insane. And. But you look at him, like right there, like his neck and everything. He doesn't look like that strong of a guy.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's very deceptive because with. With climbers you can't have. You don't need traps. You can't have like excess stuff. So everything is very like. Look at his forearms, look at his grips. But look the size of his fucking forearms when he's doing that. It's crazy. See if you can isolate when they. When he was doing that with his forearms. The NBA 82 game grind is done. And now the real fun begins. The NBA playoffs are here and it's time for all the high stakes drama, clutch moments and jaw dropping plays. I can't wait. If you're looking to make the playoffs Even more exciting, DraftKings sportsbook has you covered as an official official sports betting partner of the NBA. From the play in games all the way through to the finals, now's your time to back your favorite players and teams as they chase glory. All season long, DraftKings has been the go to spot for NBA player props. And that doesn't stop now. Want to make your playoff experience even more intense? Try placing a bet on your favorite players performance. Ready to place your first bet? Download the DraftKingsportsbook app. Now lock in your bets and let's make this playoff run unforgettable. Here's something special for first timers. New DraftKings customers bet $5 to get $200 in bonus bets. Instantly make it a playoff run to remember with DraftKings. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app and use the code Rogan. That's Code Rogan for new customers to get $200 in bonus bets. When you bet just five bucks only on DraftKings, the crown is yours. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-Gambler in New York. Call 877-8-HOPE and WIRE. Text hopeny467-369 in Connecticut. Help problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly on behalf of Boot Hill Casino and resort in Kansas. 21 and over. Age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void. In Ontario, new customers only. Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see DKNG co Audio.

[B]

Is he the one who went with who did a workout with Larry Wheels? Did you ever see that?

[A]

No, that's a different guy. But yeah, I've seen that.

[B]

You've seen that?

[A]

Yeah. I think it might be that guy.

[B]

Might be. Yeah, I've seen him on YouTube. Is it?

[A]

Yeah, but. And he's blown away by this guy. This guy. And it's like mountain climbing if you think about it. Just the amount of reps that you're picking your body weight up and holding. Like gymnasts. Like who's more jacked than the guys who do the rings? No, they're super jack. Like look at his forearms. Look at the back up a little second and just freeze it. Look at. Freeze it right there. Freeze it. Look at that left forearm.

[B]

Yeah, that's crazy. That's not there's a split in the muscle.

[A]

That's a calf.

[B]

Yeah, it's a calf.

[A]

That's a calf. That's like a strong calf.

[B]

And this is like a big endorsement for calisthenics, basically. Right? I mean, calisthenics are huge.

[A]

Yeah, they're huge. It's a big part of my workout, really. Oh, yeah, I do a lot of calisthenics. I do, you know, I still do the 100 push ups every day and the 100 body weight squats. But I do chin ups, dips, and l l pull ups, you know, like. So you're like with a close grip with the legs extended. Yeah, I do all those. They're huge. Yeah, it's, it's. You want to be able to. And the other thing a lot of do, I do hang from a bar like this where I swing my toes up and I touch the bar. So it's like really works the core too. That's like being able to manipulate your own body weight is crucial.

[B]

Yeah. Because those gymnasts are like. You're like. Some of them like, I've never touched weights. I'm just doing this.

[A]

Which is nuts.

[B]

And they have.

[A]

But it's not time efficient.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they're doing that. Their muscles are like that because they're doing, you know, eight hour sessions. But you can get a lot done with your body with just dips and chin ups a lot.

[B]

Dips are incredible.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So good. I mean, that, that was like. I think when Arnold would talk about chest, he was like, that's, that was like the, the, you know, the cherry on top from the workouts was doing. He's like, we always would do dips.

[A]

And you could do weighted dips too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Dips are so easy to do with weight. Or throw a chain over your neck or put a weight vest on or something like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's another thing I found, like just a 25 pound weight vest where it doesn't feel like anything when you're wearing it, but when you do stuff with it on, like chin ups and pull ups, like, holy fuck. Giant.

[B]

So different. And then when you take that thing off, you're like, oh, man.

[A]

Right. So imagine being £25 too heavy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then imagine being jelly roll. So jelly rolls walking around 200 pounds too heavy before, at least. So it's actually 300 pounds.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because he wants to lose another hundred.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So imagine just carrying around everywhere you go. You got a squat rack, like a, like a real bar stuffed with plates, and you're just carrying that through life. Yeah, that's what they're doing.

[B]

That's crazy. That's. Those guys. Lower bodies are always crazy when they lose.

[A]

Oh, Ralphie May used to have the biggest calves in the world.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

His legs were like carrying tree trunks. Oh, my God. Yeah. Just carrying around that body all day.

[B]

That's nuts. If they. If they trim down enough, the quads are still humongous.

[A]

Yeah. Bert lost weight. He would get weak. But you do get weaker when you lose weight.

[B]

I mean.

[A]

Yeah, that's a fact.

[B]

Yeah. That's always. Mass moves mass.

[A]

It's also like, to lose weight, to lose body fat. Your body has to think something's wrong. Like, it's very difficult to maintain mass. Like, maintain muscle mass while you're losing fat.

[B]

It's hard. That's hard.

[A]

You gotta be real careful with everything.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

And you gotta try not to lose too much weight too quick, because a lot of people with we losing weight, like, a lot of people become food addicts, and then addicts act like addicts, and you start thinking, I gotta lose it all right now. And so you starve yourself and you just work out eight hours a day and, well, you're gonna lose all your muscle, too.

[B]

Everything. Everything.

[A]

You're gonna lose everything. And you're probably gonna get injured because your body's gonna like, hey, idiot.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then give you that tendonitis. How about a little back bulge? And how about a sore knee?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How about plantar fasciitis? Slow the down. Your body tries to figure out a way to slow you down.

[B]

Yeah. Slower and slow and steady is the way for sure. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It just sucks. You know, you want to get. If you've realized you. Up, up. It would be nice if you could just get better quick, like, oh, I know. I just. I got a month before summer, and I'm 50 pounds overweight.

[B]

I want to lose 10, 15 right now.

[A]

What do you want to do to do it?

[B]

Just dial in. You know, it's really about consistency. I feel like with me. Right. Like, my window for when I go, oh. Is just so much smaller than it used to be. So right now I'm like, oh, I've slid a little bit. I've been on tour. I've been doing all this shit.

[A]

It.

[B]

I just have to tour.

[A]

It's hard, right?

[B]

It's hard.

[A]

Like, I'm working it. Cheeseburger.

[B]

Let's eat. Sometimes pizza. Sometimes it's that. Sometimes it's also just that, like, you know, I get into this rhythm of the way I'm eating and training at home, which is pretty good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you get out there and it's like, you know, we got on three planes and you're just tired. You just don't do it.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And then. Yeah, you just order whatever to eat. So you just feel it, like slowly come apart. But I feel like I'm also at a place where I know if I dial in my diet and make sure I stay on top of the training, I can shed this 10. Pretty.

[A]

Yeah, you've done it before. You did it pretty well. You figured it out. And then you also have muscle memory now. I think it's hard when you're traveling because you're just. Anytime you're traveling, your energy level goes down. Down.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like you got to figure out things to mitigate that energy level going down. And then counterintuitively, the best way to do that is to work out.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

Which doesn't seem like it makes any sense because you're tired. I don't want to work out.

[B]

A lot of times we do the land and lift.

[A]

Gotta do that.

[B]

Like, right? Land and go.

[A]

Yep, land and go. Land and go.

[B]

But it is crazy how I do a lot of three day, three, four day weekends, you know, for tour, man. A lot of times on that third or fourth day, you're like, you're in your third or fourth city and you're like, I wrecked today. Just like another plane, another time zone.

[A]

Taking a lot of vitamins.

[B]

I think I take a pretty good amount of vitamins. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's important too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Take a lot of vitamins. And then it's just hard to be strict with your diet when you're on the road. But the big one is alcohol.

[B]

I'm lucky in that regard because I'm not a big boozer.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know how Bert does it.

[B]

I started eating these David bars.

[A]

Oh, those are great.

[B]

Those are great.

[A]

Yeah. I think Peter T. Is involved in that, right?

[B]

I don't know if he maybe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But those are delicious. They're great.

[A]

Boy, they make you fart.

[B]

I love farting. 28, 28 grams of protein, 150 calories.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No sugar.

[A]

They're great. Yeah.

[B]

Great.

[A]

Yeah. There's a bunch of good options now that you could bring with you on the road if you get hungry. Keep you from eating, from eating.

[B]

Bullshit. That's all I'm trying. Like, sometimes I go like, oh, it was great. Today was a great day. And then it's just Dinner. So you just, like, just don't ruin your day.

[A]

Have you ever had Carnivore snacks? Do you know what that is?

[B]

No.

[A]

The Carnivore snacks ribeye is my go to. I bring that on the UFC broadcast. Like, I give them to Daniel Cormier and me. We eat them. It's like sliced rib eyes that are just dried, but it's got the fat on it.

[B]

It's good.

[A]

Yeah. You don't feel guilty at all. Like, if you're hungry, need a snack, open them with just meat and salt. Perfect. Perfect snack.

[B]

And the company's called Carnivore.

[A]

Yeah, Carnivore snack snacks with an X. But it's not like. It's not jerky. It's like, they. They describe it as, like, meat pastry.

[B]

Yeah, it's good.

[A]

Good snack food.

[B]

I like it.

[A]

Yeah. Just to keep from going off the.

[B]

Rails, that's all you're trying to do. That's like I'm trying to do is just mitigate the damage of the day.

[A]

Right. So I have a whole folder on my phone saved up. A food that I really can't eat.

[B]

Really just work.

[A]

Look at restaurants.

[B]

Like, oh, what do you miss the most when you. You are trying to eat healthy? Yeah.

[A]

Italian food.

[B]

Pasta.

[A]

Yeah, Pasta. And crazy sandwiches.

[B]

Oh, my God. We went to Carbone.

[A]

Oh, in New York. Yeah. They got one in Vegas now, too.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I think they've actually had the Vegas one for a while. It's so good, dude.

[B]

So good.

[A]

So good. That rigatoni with vodka sauce, when it.

[B]

Has a little kick, they put a little spice in it.

[A]

It's so good.

[B]

That's.

[A]

It's tough to beat a town Italian food.

[B]

It really is.

[A]

It's tough to beat it just for pure that pleasure of overstuffing yourself.

[B]

We. We were there for last summer. It was, like, every day.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and the thing is, I didn't, like, blow up. No, no. I thought I would. I mean, I'm sure I gained a few. But I thought I was like, oh, this is gonna be terrible. But it was. I think a big thing there versus here is portion sizes, you know, like, there's no such thing as. They don't go, here's your pasta. Here's a fucking bowl like this.

[A]

Right?

[B]

It's like. It's.

[A]

Well, I think in Italy, the real thing is the food's different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think our food is poison.

[B]

It's so bad. Right? I mean, I saw. Oh, my God. I saw this lady on your show. I saw a Clip. Talking about all these health epidemics, like the full run of stats where she was like one and two for cancer and this and that was it.

[A]

Cali means she was.

[B]

That. I think she was a doctor, right? Is she a doctor?

[A]

Well, I don't think she finished her doctorate or her medical school training because I think she got to the position where she realized that most metabolic diseases are being caused by food.

[B]

But that's the thing is like, that's the big takeaway I think from that is like you had this conversation with, you know, I had it with people all the time who travel abroad and you're just like, like everything in Japan was amazing. The food. And then you look at their longevity, which is like record breaking. And you know when you compare it to most of the world.

[A]

Definitely compared to ours.

[B]

Definitely compared to ours.

[A]

Yeah, we have the worst health stats in the western world.

[B]

But because it's all like.

[A]

Because corporations, because corporations profit off keeping you fat and sick. So the best way to make money from food is to get you addicted to food that they can sell you. So they sell you a tremendous amount of cheap, shitty food that has a bunch of preservatives and garbage in it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's, you know, potato chips and all sorts of different snacks and all sorts of different things. And then you have your enriched air quotes. Flour that's got a bunch of shit poured into it and it's a bunch of complex glutens in the grains. And then you have glyphosate, which other countries have banned, but we use everywhere. And 90 plus percent of people have glyphosate in their blood and they test it, which is round up that chemical pesticide. We have herbicides that kill your fucking endocrine system. We have like we're poisoning ourselves.

[B]

It's really sad. You know, we're growing stuff at home now. We have a hydroponic garden.

[A]

Yeah, I talked to Christine about it.

[B]

It's pretty dope and it's. And that's just delicious.

[A]

Yeah, that's the way to go.

[B]

The lettuce and the tomatoes and gets all kinds of like veggies.

[A]

Tastes like real food.

[B]

Yeah, you do taste the difference.

[A]

Hundred percent.

[B]

Yeah. Which reminds me of when you're abroad, right? Because in Italy or in Japan you have a tomato, you have a strawberry and you're like, whoa.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're like, oh, this is supposed to taste like.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we, we make stuff that it can sit on the shelf forever. That's why our tomatoes look like they're Albino tomatoes, they look. They look. And they're hard. But tomatoes are hard. Like, why is the tomato hard? Like, what is that about? Why does it stay hard for, like weeks?

[B]

Just sits there and then we just keep ingesting that.

[A]

Yeah, it's terrible. And then you get all this inflammation in your body. And, you know, we've sort of genetically modified a bunch of things so we could feed a bunch of people so we can have large numbers of people and there's benefit to that.

[B]

How much, how much of this, like, do you think is related to the fact that we have so many more people than some of these places?

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's a fact.

[B]

But.

[A]

It'S not just that. So I think there's a bunch of factors, and everybody wants to be real binary about it. Sedentary lifestyle is a big one.

[B]

1.

[A]

There's a large percentage of our population that doesn't move enough. They don't exercise, they don't do anything physical. So you got that and then you got years and years and years and years of doing that, which eventually catches you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so that's what the people that start showing up at the hospital, you know, it's metabolic health. Right. So. And then you have lack of understanding of nutrition, which is. They think, oh, you're you, you. So some doctor that tells you just have to eat a balanced diet, you don't need vitamins. Well, that doctor is fat and stupid and probably has a bunch of diseases and he's on pills himself. Like, shut up. Probably never even went to through any nutrition training. You know, in, in medical school they get about six hours of nutrition training.

[B]

I think it's crazy that, you know, especially because we have kids in school, you realize that school still they don't emphasize was nutrition or finance. I feel like that's another crazy thing.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Is to keep people from understanding how finance works at all.

[A]

It is crazy, right? Like you're teaching kids about how to prepare yourself for the world, and you don't teach them about debt and about interest.

[B]

First thing that happens when you're a freshman in college is you walk through the student union and they go, you want a credit card? You're 18.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they're like. You're like, yeah, it's got 29.9 APR. It's awesome.

[A]

They're praying apart upon you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're literally preying upon.

[B]

And the school lets it. Yeah, the school is like, yeah, go ahead.

[A]

Oh, they, they don't give a about.

[B]

You that you're crazy.

[A]

Wrist for the mill.

[B]

Yeah, you're literally, you're, you're paying, you're end up paying 300 for a Coke you bought. You know what I mean? Because you just like scanned like. This is insane. Yeah, we don't, we don't teach anybody. It's really crazy.

[A]

Well, also, you get it in their head that they're. Because the debt that they, they're, they're getting involved in with student loans is the only debt we have that you can't get rid of.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The only debt.

[B]

Yeah, you can't forgive that.

[A]

There are people right now who have Social Security getting docked. Their Social Security is getting docked for student.

[B]

For their student loan.

[A]

So they made it to death. And they owe money to the government for loans that did them no good at all because they're living off Social Security. So the government gets to steal more money from your social. Social Security. We don't have to pay you.

[B]

So nuts.

[A]

And meanwhile, like today, the reality is you can get that education online.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Almost all of the books on any sort of subject are available.

[B]

Mine is useless. My degree's useless.

[A]

What's yours then?

[B]

Communications.

[A]

Well, you're a communicator.

[B]

Well, yeah, worked out the degree you probably like.

[A]

They use you to sell more tickets.

[B]

They probably do.

[A]

But this guy, look, he went to our university.

[B]

You should come like Tom, you know, I didn't know like you don't. I didn't learn anything.

[A]

But how much did you have to pay to go to school?

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

How much when you're in debt for.

[B]

How much was the tuition? I think tuition when I was there was something like 6 or 7,000 a semester. So like 12, 13 a year, which, you know, whatever. Now fucking tuitions now are like 50, $80,000 a year. It's crazy. So imagine you take on that loan, you start your work workforce, you have $300,000 in loans and God forbid you.

[A]

Go to graduate school.

[B]

Oh my God compounds.

[A]

And then you're never getting out of the hole. I mean, I think this is why some doctors and lawyers become sociopaths. Because you are dealing with so much debt and you realize no one gives a about you. So you don't give a about anybody else either.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. It's great for society.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's also like you, You. There's two things that could be true, right. I do think that you kind of have to. Kids have to like get to work and get something going and get a path in your life. And when you're going to college, it's like you're out of high school. Okay. Now you're on your own. You're in college. You got to keep up your gpa, you got to get your degree. Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. So there is value in that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then also it's too much money. And you're probably not going to do anything with that, that degree. And if you don't have the degree, people think you're a loser. And it's very, it's very strange. It's very strange what's going on because you're allowing these corporations to prey upon children.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like you're an 18 year old child.

[B]

You don't understand anything.

[A]

You don't understand anything. And then all of a sudden you're in college and you're saddled down with unstoppable debt and you have this fucking circus of people around you that are also trapped.

[B]

And you didn't understand what that meant, what you were signing up for.

[A]

No way.

[B]

It's the same reason. Like, like you have a conversation with somebody who's that age and you're like, oh, you realize that our brains are different, right? Like, you talk to like a. Yeah, they're not developed, they're not fully developed yet. They don't understand, especially boys, way, way more clearly.

[A]

Yeah, boys don't get developed until they're like 25. Girls are pretty. They can figure out the game earlier. They, they're not as saddled down by testosterone.

[B]

Yeah, they're, they're.

[A]

But their frontal lobe develops earlier.

[B]

Yeah, ours does. Really take till about 25.

[A]

Yeah, dude's retarded. But that's also how you trick them into going to war. Yeah, you know, it's part of it. Like, hey, we need to get, you know, the Gulf of Tonkin. Terrible thing those Vietnamese did.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're gonna need to send you overseas. Try that on a 40 year old guy. You're like, what?

[B]

No.

[A]

What happened? Let me google. Hey, I googled golf a Tonkin. Turns out, yeah, you, you guys faked it. What else are you faking to get us to go to war? Oh, my God. You guys fake things to start war so you can make money. That's crazy. How are you not in jail? How's no one in jail for faking things to start wars?

[B]

Zero accountability.

[A]

It's wild. So then you like, well, it. They got me with the student loan, they got me with this, they got me with that. And you just get accustomed to life. You. Yeah, you Just like, oh, the society just you over, they just take from you, take from you guys, saddle you with debt.

[B]

Tell you, this theory, what you're talking about applies to, I think, extends to our appearances. And what I mean is today, a lot of times people talk about how people wear like flip flops and pajamas.

[A]

You're talking about Bird again. Yeah, well, he's not here.

[B]

No.

[A]

To defend himself.

[B]

I think this is rude, but like, you get on a plane and you see people in pajamas. Right, right. And they. In the. 50 years ago, they'd be like in a suit. And I think part of the reason why people, their appearance is this. I think some of it is tied to a lack of hope. Meaning that so many years ago you would embark on your path in life thinking that there's hope. I can have the American dream. I can own the house, you know, I can get the things I want to get. And so many people today are like, there is no hope. So. So it. I'll just. I'll go out in my fucking sleepwear. Because I don't. I think there's a. There's a connection to that.

[A]

Well, there's a lot to that, too. That if the government wants, if they want control and power, which is ultimately what every government wants. It's not a conspiracy theory. Like every government wants control and power. What's the best way to acquire control and power? Have the people give up.

[B]

Have them give up.

[A]

Yeah, this is fucking. I give up. I give up. It. I'm wearing flip flops. It. I don't care.

[B]

Because that means I'll do what you say. I'll do what you say. When you.

[A]

That's what's really scary to me about AI, automation and then ultimately universal basic income. You're going to get a lot of giving up and then the government's going to clamp down on you even more.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then it's going to be halves and have knots on a scale that we've never seen before. When. When you have companies that are in charge of these automated taxi services and that's the only way people get around. And the government gives you a certain amount of credits so you don't have to. Ever worried about traveling. You have credits as long as you're a good boy, Tom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As long as you follow the rules, as long as you don't say anything crazy about Israel, as long as you don't do anything nutty, you know, about vaccines, as long as you don't step out of line when it comes to the election, then you're don't say anything crazy about this or about that or, I mean, take your vaccines and. And if that's a real possibility, that they're just going to extract. Extract money out of us or attempt to attempt to control. Like, this is the grand battle of control. The more they have power over narratives. It's also like, there's things that are going on right now. Like, we were just talking about some friends this weekend. We're talking about these bot farms. Like, this evidence of bot farms that people have used to go and attack people with certain things. Like, a bunch of different countries use bot farms. I'm sure a bunch of different corporations use bot farms too. But no one's getting in trouble for it. If you can pretend that you're mass groups of people that are getting upset about something. You could just pretend and there's no. You could pretend.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just like you can hire people to go protest and fly them in on jets. Like that's happening right now. There's this guy in Maine and he made this video where he was hired to drive these people to the airport. And he's trying to figure out, like, where are these. Where are all these people going? I'm driving this bus load two busloads full of people at the airport. And they were saying, well, we're going to a protest. And like, what protest? Then he goes and Googles, like, where they. Where they're flying to. It's like, oh, this is a paid protest. They're paying people to show up and pretend that it's a protest. So it's like there's puppet masters that are manipulating world event. And that's legal.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You're allowed to pay people to go protest.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which seems like that should be illegal. Like, you shouldn't be able to pretend that you have an organic up.

[B]

Well, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Uprising against some.

[B]

Well, it's giving people this illusion.

[A]

Yes. Which is the entire Kamala Harris campaign.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, that's what it was. It was. The whole thing was Astroturf.

[B]

Did you see that? Like, it was before he left. The former FBI director talking about how China just doesn't play ball with any international rules.

[A]

Oh, I'm sure.

[B]

And he's like, how they don't respect IP at all. All. So he's like, they'll just come in and they'll get a, you know, a spy to give them, let's say, the IP of some whatever industry, wind energy. They'll just take it and be like, we have it now.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Start this company and then like this company goes bankrupt because they were. And they just.

[A]

You.

[B]

You.

[A]

Yeah, they made whole Apple stores.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That are fake Apple stores.

[B]

So insane.

[A]

Everything's fake. Fake laptop tops, fake phones.

[B]

I saw a guy too, because like the, the evolution. Because what happens if you try to.

[A]

Get online with one of those?

[B]

I'd have no idea.

[A]

Can you get an Apple id? Like, does it work?

[B]

It can't. I'm imagining that it can't. But like, you know, I always think about the fact with AI, how we're in, we're in like version one.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And we're all blown away by it already.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

And it was a, there was a watch guy online who was like, I have two like Daytonas.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

And he was like, dude. He goes, this is the best one I've ever seen.

[A]

Fakes.

[B]

Yeah, the fake. He had to, he had to take it apart and to look at parts that were inside.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like a spin wheel. He goes, oh, this is missing the logo.

[A]

So. Which begs the question, like, what is it? Like, what are you buying? Do you want it from this company only or do you want a Rolex Daytona? Like, what do you want?

[B]

Well, I mean, I think if in, in the case of that, you know that the, the, the movements, the, the actual inner workings of the real one are far superior.

[A]

Are they though?

[B]

I think so, yeah.

[A]

Why? Yeah, well, I assume that what if the other one has a 72 hour battery or power supply too? What if, what if you 3D print every single aspect of the watch?

[B]

I thing pretty close, I guess. Right.

[A]

But it can be the same thing. Like we're not talking like, like my watch, like there's a Panerai.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This could be fake. I mean, I bought it from my friend, so I'm sure it's real. Yeah, but like it's not a fake Ferrari.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like if you got a fake Ferrari, like, oh my God, these tires are. Have no traction, this suspension sucks.

[B]

I hate the idea of fake watch though.

[A]

Right, but why? Well, you used to be poor.

[B]

Maybe because I used to be poor. I also just don't respect the, the copying of it.

[A]

Right. It's. Yeah, well, you, you know, I wouldn't buy one because you're contributing to. Yeah, some. But it's kind of funny.

[B]

It is kind of funny.

[A]

You can get one for forty dollars. It's like a seven thousand dollar watch.

[B]

It's really crazy. It's insane. And it's insane that it's tricking. It's Tricking these watch experts.

[A]

Right? Yeah.

[B]

But I don't really understand the.

[A]

Yeah. Look at these. So one of those is fender fake.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The one on the right is fake.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I'd buy that. Looks perfect. I'll take it.

[B]

How much he's pointing out.

[A]

Look at you. See the difference? Like who.

[B]

Imagine who knows this on the spot. Well, you know this on the spot, right?

[A]

Yeah. Also, my vision sucks.

[B]

Mine does too.

[A]

So I'd have to like take it out and do this like, I don't know, like this one. I can't even. I, I, I guess I can read the time. I could read the date rather than. But I mean the tiny ass. Yeah. Windows. That's a struggle. Like if it's dark in the room. I'm not reading that.

[B]

My vision absolutely sucks.

[A]

That's incredible though.

[B]

The replicas are crazy.

[A]

They're so good.

[B]

They're so.

[A]

But again, like, try making a replica. 911 Turbo S. Good luck.

[B]

Good luck. Yeah, I know.

[A]

Good luck face. But you can make one of those.

[B]

But wait, how do. Because this I. Okay. I understand at least what you're doing in the watch thing. Right. Then the person buys the, the far less expensive one and they get the feeling, I guess, that people go, oh, you have the real one.

[A]

Right, Right, Right.

[B]

But if you're getting an Apple product, a fake Apple product, you don't know.

[A]

You'Re getting a fake Apple product.

[B]

So they're going, the whole thing's a scam.

[A]

The whole store's fake.

[B]

And everyone.

[A]

It's an Apple store.

[B]

Do you think people that are hired think they're in logo?

[A]

That's Apple fake factory rated in China. This is 10 years ago, though. It did. It goes on to say that it tricked the employees. They thought they were working out of real estate.

[B]

That's the craziest part. Yeah.

[A]

It's like, it's layers, severance. It just goes deeper and deeper and deeper. Yeah.

[B]

That's really crazy.

[A]

You ever follow the YouTube channel stance elements? It's, it's, it's a guy just works on cars. Dope. And one of the things he's doing, he's building his own Ferrari F40.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

So instead of buying one for like $3 million, which is. Okay. Okay. I'm going to tell you something that's going to piss off these Ferrari people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It ain't worth it. Okay. It's not worth $3 million. It's not that good. It's not. If it was new today, you'd be like this should be taken off the market.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like this thing has zero traction control but because it's a classic, it's worth like a ton of money. So what he's doing is making it better works. Stance works. Did I see stance elements? Yeah, that's the, that's the. Oh, that's the. The B boys. That's the Breakdancers. Which by the way, stance elements. How did I that up? Stance elements by the way is also amazing. We could talk about that. But this guy Stanceworks, he. This is his own. That's not a Ferrari. He's building it from all the parts online. So he bought all the body panels online and then he made his own frame and then he bought a Ferrari engine from like a different model of Ferrari and he's putting that in it. But this is like a multi month journey that this dude has been on that I've been watching all the videos. Whenever he has a new video, I watch it. He does a lot of dope. But this is a guy that like really loves cars and he's super smart and when he's talking about cars it's fascinating because like he's also a fan of the original M5 which I've thought about getting one of those. Yeah, not very fast but apparently like super engaging driving experience. The original M5, which I think was. Was like. I want to say it was like 280 horsepower in what year? 80 something.

[B]

80 something?

[A]

Yeah. Which by the way back, I think it's 88 maybe back then that was a lot.

[B]

I have a 89M3 that I bought. E30M3.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

And I have a S54 engine going into it.

[A]

Oh, Jesus.

[B]

So that should be.

[A]

How much is horsepower? Isn't that that.

[B]

I don't know. That's more than it came with.

[A]

I have an E46 M3.

[B]

Those are fun.

[A]

I love it. Yeah, it's so balanced. Yeah, it's like such an engaging driving experience.

[B]

That's what I'm into. I'm into that. I'm not into chasing the. The lower zero to 60 times.

[A]

Yeah, that's nonsense. Like if you ever use that on a public road, you're an. But pretty much engaging cars. You could drive the speed limit and enjoy the upper of them. Just fun. Just going around a corner and just accelerating to 60. They're fun.

[B]

Fun.

[A]

You feel more like. Like an old air cooled Porsche. You feel it? You're feeling.

[B]

Did you get that one? You were. You had a one being built.

[A]

Yeah, it's not done yet it's real close. Real close.

[B]

Exciting.

[A]

That's the RSR project.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's rash.

[A]

Very excited about that. It's like 350 horsepower. 2,000 pounds. Pounds.

[B]

Meanwhile, I have some crazy car coming to me, too.

[A]

What do you got?

[B]

This assetto Fiorino. 296 GTB Ferrari. It's like 700, 800 horsepower.

[A]

Christ. Yeah, I watched. I've seen your Blazer, but I watched a video on it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of those guys, the Velocity Motorsports. Oh, my God.

[B]

They're doing cool Velocity. Did.

[A]

They really went out with that one?

[B]

They. That one's great. They do Scouts and Broncos, but they also just started doing Mustangs. Oh, and the Mustang. I took one of the Mustangs out. Oh, very fun. I think 67 mustangs. So you get that.

[A]

Is that the one with the flared fender? Did you send me that to me? The green one?

[B]

No, that was a different. That's a different one. Oh, yeah, Yeah. I was just. Every time I see something cool. Check this out. I sent you the other one. What did I send you? I sent you that. That. That Julia. That Italian one that. The guy came to my place.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

That was fun as shit.

[A]

The Alfa Romeo. Yeah, yeah, I've seen that online, getting reviewed. It's a resto mod Alfa Romeo. I don't trust my people.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

I have one of my people's vehicles, but generally I don't trust my people. People.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I just think they're. They're eating pasta and staring at ass and they're not gonna do a good job. I want it. My car is made by either Germans who do meth or totem.

[B]

That's what it was. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah. Dude. I told one of these. This guy came.

[A]

Oh, baby, look at that.

[B]

It's rad. Totem automobile. I did like it a lot. I didn't order one. I didn't order it. Well, he's making a prototype for a whole new model. So I was like, I don't know.

[A]

That's so sick. That looks like a James Bond car.

[B]

Look at that thing.

[A]

God damn.

[B]

And it's a hundred percent custom.

[A]

You know, I bet that thing flies it.

[B]

Dude, I was driving down Fairfax in LA in the rain, and he turned off the traction control.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Turned off.

[B]

He turned it off.

[A]

Why'd he turn it off?

[B]

He's like, let it. Let it run. They explode. Emotion.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

And guess what? The emotion almost ended up wrapped around a light pole.

[A]

Did you spin?

[B]

Dude, I was like, I. I Corrected it. But I was like, panic and I was like driving.

[A]

That's the fear of losing it in a Porsche. That rear engine whip. You know that. That understeer that happens or over steer. What is it called? Supply throttle. Something. Throttle over steer. When you lift.

[B]

When you lift.

[A]

Throttle over steer.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And then. And then the back end goes on you.

[A]

Oh, yeah. It's a weird design having the engine out back like that.

[B]

This thing also happens in everybody's mind who hasn't, who is not. It's literally something you have to be trained, which is that when something. When you're in a car and you're at a certain rate of speed and you're approaching a turn or something, you feel anything going on, you. You take your foot off the throttle and what you don't realize is that that is gonna. It's gonna make things worse.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Because the momentum and the weight are going to be carried through. And actually the only thing that'll keep you from usually losing it is to stay on throttle. Not necessarily give it a ton.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But you need that momentum to carry you through it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so it's just something that you use. There's countless videos of somebody, oh, yeah, their new car just going. And they just go into a tree.

[A]

I just watched one on a new GT3RS.

[B]

I've seen that one. Oh, brutal. He's like 18 and he did exactly that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He hits the turn off throttle, tries to correct. Bye, bye, bye wreck.

[A]

Painful to watch, but that is a bad element of that design.

[B]

The rear weight.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, but. And also it's like, is that really the best way to do it? Because, you know, everybody always said that the Cayman is the better car if they just gave it the same sort of love that they give the Porsche car. I came in.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like my, my heart is with that car. If you go like, what's the one you are in love with the most? Still that car.

[A]

But isn't it interesting that, like, that card is not as prestigious?

[B]

It's not as prestigious. Yeah.

[A]

Why is that? That seems stupid.

[B]

It's a whole thing too. And if you have like, you'll see people like, ah, you got the Cayman. You should have gotten the 911. I'm like, you should drive this thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like.

[A]

But people that say that are all retarded.

[B]

They kind of are.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anybody that says that is an idiot. I mean, you don't know anything about cars mid engine because you have a dinan. Right. Is it's not Dinan. That's the company. Dinan did my BMW.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What is the. What's your company for?

[B]

That one? Yeah. Rick Demond did the. The upgrade on that.

[A]

Yeah. So what that is is what it should be right from Porsche.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They should take that big juicy GT3RS engine. Or even crazier, take that GT2RS.

[B]

Throw it in that, throw it in that. It just upsets 911 owners. That's it. It just up there fairies. Yeah.

[A]

If that upsets you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then you need to go find something else. You need to go do mushrooms on the mountaintop somewhere.

[B]

By the way, did you like that? You feel it at all?

[A]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[B]

Did you ever drive the GT4Rs they came out with like a year or two ago?

[A]

No, I didn't.

[B]

I heard it. I didn't drive it.

[A]

I'm sure it's dope. But it's also an automatic.

[B]

It's all automatic. Come on. Yeah.

[A]

Like, what are we doing? Why are you buying a streetcar? Are you a crazy track guy?

[B]

Because that's a track weekend. Okay.

[A]

Which is fine. Yeah, which is fine.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But. But for the average person that like, enjoy, you like make an enthusiast car. That's a goddamn three pedal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Make. Make a manual.

[B]

Well, thank God they still do. Yeah, they make some. I mean, a lot of places just don't.

[A]

I still them and BMW. Ford still makes them. They'd still do it with their Mustangs.

[B]

I can't believe that Ferrari doesn't realize that if they did just a limited run.

[A]

Oh my God. Would sell like crazy.

[B]

It would sell so crazy.

[A]

Yeah, they gave them up. They gave up. Lamborghini gave up.

[B]

I wish they would.

[A]

Thank God Porsche didn't. No, I know, but they did with some cars. Like a lot of their cars. You can't. Like, you can't get the GTS now in a five speed.

[B]

You can't.

[A]

Or excuse me, a six speed or a seven speed. Whatever the they have now. You can't get. I don't think you can get the S. You can't get the turbo.

[B]

Oh, you can't get the turbo.

[A]

Yeah, you have to get the T or the regular. Maybe you can get the regular Nautilus.

[B]

I think you can get a regular 911 Carrera GT3.

[A]

You can get still. But you can't get the GT3 RS. Like, come on, guys. Shut up. Just shut up.

[B]

I think they're. The audience should inform them. Right? They should know that like their Their fan base. I know, wants all that in manual.

[A]

It's like, what pisses me off about Corvette too. Like, you guys have the most dope shape now. Like, the C8 Corvette is so sick. And then you. You're putting out these insane ones, like the Z06.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the ZR1 1. But it's still.

[B]

People want to.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. It's got to be like that. All that has to be like, cost analysis, Right?

[A]

It's a little bit of that. And what is that? Rogue. So I kind of quit those, but I'll have one.

[B]

I love these.

[A]

I thought I was gonna have a hard time. I quit them over the weekend.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Nothing. I was like, this is easy. I think I'm lucky with your think. Yeah. I don't think I get physically addicted to stuff. Stuff that way. Except coffee. Yeah, I've done that one where I took the whole day off coffee, and I was like, why am I yawning?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Coffee gets me too. Headaches.

[A]

But I like coffee so much, and coffee's everywhere. I'm like, I don't think I need to quit that one. No, I didn't get headaches. Last time I tried to quit coffee, I quit for a couple days, and I was like, this is just rough. But the nicotine pouches were not nothing.

[B]

That's great.

[A]

It was super easy.

[B]

I feel like I have some of that where I'm not that physically addicted.

[A]

To, but, dude, I have friends that have, like, anything gets them. Like, I. I had a guy who came over here to do a podcast, and he saw that someone had sent us some kratom stuff that I wound up throwing out. I was like, I don't want like, this anyway.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's like, don't take that. I can't get off of it. Get that kratom away from me.

[B]

I know someone is real bro.

[A]

Problem with it. I'm like, really?

[B]

I know someone. 18 years on it.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

18 years on a shitty opium.

[B]

Well, because they were using it to get off of opiates.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

And they can't. They can't go without it.

[A]

Wow. But the high is so, like, whatever.

[B]

Yeah. It's not. I. I tried it, and then people were telling me, be careful. Be careful.

[A]

Oh, Duncan loved it. We had some at the club.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Duncan's like, hey, man, you got.

[B]

Any more of that?

[A]

Got any more of that liquid heroin, man? I was like, keep it away from Duncan.

[B]

Yeah, he's so funny, dude.

[A]

He's the best.

[B]

He's the best.

[A]

But we, like, had a whole box of it there that Ron White had left there, and it was gone by Tuesday. I got in there on Tuesday.

[B]

Everyone went, where did it all go?

[A]

No, it was all Duncan.

[B]

It was all.

[A]

We drank all of them. I was drinking two and three a day, man. I go, you're not even supposed to drink one a day. It's like a half a dose. Like, which is really weird. Like, why did they make one of them?

[B]

Be two doses.

[A]

Two doses.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

It's a tiny little shot.

[B]

That's a good way to get you onto it.

[A]

Yeah. It's like when you buy a bag of chips and it says, like, how many calories in it per serving?

[B]

Six chips.

[A]

Like, what do you. Why is this little baggie is not even a single serving? You know, I'm gonna eat more than that. One bag.

[B]

Of course they know.

[A]

Piece of.

[B]

Yeah. Garbage tactic to get people into it. So predatory.

[A]

It's just lies. You're lying about the amount of cash calories.

[B]

That's so funny.

[A]

But I don't, I think very lucky, because I know people that get addicted to weed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And there I, I, I have gone a long time without weed and never had any problem.

[B]

Yeah. People get physically addicted. Like, I didn't really realize that was.

[A]

A thing, but I think it's just different genetics.

[B]

It totally is.

[A]

You know, like, look at Bert. A normal person who drinks as much as him would be different. Dead.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You'd have, like, real liver problems. And he's.

[B]

He doesn't have any problems in the gym in the morning. It's crazy.

[A]

It's nuts. So it's like, you just gotta deal with the cards you dealt. Like, why don't I have four aces? Well, you don't. So what are you gonna do?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're gonna just sit here and complain about everything or what?

[B]

You got to figure it out. Yeah.

[A]

Figure it out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Figure it out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You need, you know, everybody needs love. Everybody. Everybody needs support, but everybody also needs. Figure it out, bitch.

[B]

Yeah. There's not enough of that. There's really not enough.

[A]

There's not.

[B]

Because you really. There's, it's like, there's. You don't gain anything by doing the. Like, how come I don't get no. This. It's like, how come I'm not six? Six? I don't know. I'm not. Right. You just deal with it. Yeah. You got to just deal with it.

[A]

I think that's a real problem where People. You know, if you think about like the, the. You remember that documentary, the Secret? That stupid documentary?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Like, all you have to do is like, think about things and you can make them happen. Yeah, not really, that's. But it's a part of it. It's a part of making things happen. Like, you can't just say, I'm gonna fucking breathe underwater. I'm just gonna think about it until I could do it. No, you can't do that.

[B]

Give it a shot.

[A]

Yeah. There's physical limitations to the human frame. This physical limitation for your particular human frame.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, you can't get taller. You can't. You can lose weight, but you can't really do much other than that. Yeah, you can kind of get in good shape for what you got. But what you got is what you got.

[B]

What you got. Yeah.

[A]

But there's a bunch of people that just think about their problems all the time.

[B]

That's a. It's an obsession. And what it does is it carries you through time without having to deal with the problem.

[A]

Problem.

[B]

Because you just talk about the problem.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's a big one. I know so many people who do that.

[A]

Focus is your problems rather than your solutions. Do you know how many people who live in Guatemala in a dirt floored shack would love your problems?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like, your problems are not that big a problem if you're living in America.

[B]

Well, you. And you have your health, you need, you have that. You need that perspective change from people.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. There's a big thing of like, like, if. If your problems become your identity, it's a. Because I know people like that, right. That you're like that.

[A]

Have you ever seen that video, the. The final boss of Woke? It's like this one trans man who's like, I'm a disabled trans man. I'm also on food stamps. I also have, like.

[B]

It's a real person.

[A]

It's. And it's. Donald Trump is trying to erase me. And it's like, this is the identity. Like, there's this, this is existential battle. But this final boss has everything wrong with him.

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[A]

You're not him. You're a girl pretending to be a man. So it's like you've got everything, every issue, and it just keeps going on. And have you seen this, Jamie? Do you know, it is.

[B]

Sounds like somebody should try to get on stage.

[A]

No. Big fat stupid face. It's not gonna work. The whole thing is just like, it's just. It's so crazy that People will just like, there's a value and a currency to being a victim.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So they'll, they'll add stuff.

[B]

Social media has also helped that a.

[A]

Lot because there's plenty of people that don't want to deal with their shit that'll go, yas girl, you go, yeah. Society's doing this to you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you hear about that lady that got fired from Equinox in Manhattan? She was late 47 times in 10 months. And she sued because of race. She said she got fired for racism. And she won.

[B]

She won.

[A]

It's a jury. And she won $11 million.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yes, she did.

[B]

No, she was like 47.

[A]

Not only that, like you were working at Equinox, like you could work for all of time and you'll never make $11 million. Like, you're not gonna make $11 million. We're gonna equinox. But yet you won. And she only worked there for 10 months. She was like 47 times in 10 months.

[B]

And that's why they were firing her. Like, they're like, you're just perpetually, you are always late. Yeah.

[A]

And then she's like, that's so racist.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

And she took him to court and won.

[B]

They're definitely going to appeal that.

[A]

Of course they're gonna appeal. But. But the thing is, when you have a jury.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have a jury of people so stupid, they don't get out of jury duty.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

And they might be like, yeah, Equinox. That the man. Man.

[B]

Cuz that guy's just too lazy to go to the gym.

[A]

He's like, of course not. Just that it's a corporation. You don't think of it as an individual. This is a company that's going to you over. That's why people don't feel bad stealing from mortgage work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, you don't feel like you're still. Like if someone was working in your house and they were stealing from you, like they stole your forks. Like, where's my fork?

[B]

Yeah, this is.

[A]

I like, did you find out a guy who worked for you stole your fork? Like, you're fired. But it's an office. If like someone like takes a fork home, like if you have a kitchen in your office, we use a bunch of forks for staff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And someone takes that fork, it's no big deal.

[B]

It's the offices.

[A]

We just need to order more forks. Man. These forks keep disappearing. And you go over Tom's house one day and like Tom's got four of the office forks. Like did you steal the Office Force? I forgot.

[B]

I forgot.

[A]

I keep forgetting to bring them back.

[B]

Because they don't belong to somebody, Right?

[A]

Exactly. It's not a human. It's a corporation. Which is also why corporations can act like psychopaths.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they're also not a human. So they could just do whatever the they have to do, which is why our food supply is so bad. Because they're just trying to maximize profit. They literally have a duty to maximize profit.

[B]

My mom definitely thinks of corporations as. They can deal with it.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

And I remember my dad used to tell this story that when. When they first got married, they were at a Holiday Inn, and they were leaving, and then he was like, what is that in the suitcase? And it was their towels. And she was like, the towels? And he's like, you can't take that. She was like, why? Because it belongs to the Holiday Inn. It's theirs. And she was like, they have them. Like a hundred of them. And he's like, yeah, it's not ours, though. We can't. She's like, it's fine. And, like, everywhere I've gone with her, she's like, you know, she'd be like, can I take this? We've been. We've been places where I've been like, hey, sorry. My mom wondering if we could take this glass.

[A]

She makes you happy. Yeah.

[B]

And then I saw a video.

[A]

You were showing your mom these clips. Oh, yeah, the clips from your new Netflix show.

[B]

Amazing. It was amazing. Amazing. I knew it was. I knew it was gonna be a killer. I was like, she's gonna hate it.

[A]

And they were like, okay.

[B]

So we set up a private screening for her.

[A]

It's also like, why am I watching this? I don't know if you know, but you're my mom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So funny.

[B]

She's like, dude, she. She hated the show so much. She's like, sure. She told. She came over yesterday for Mother's Day. And I was like, she goes, so. Because that. On the rest of that thing, she made me promise that we're gonna cut the first. The first story.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's like, you. You're definitely not going to use that. Right? So eventually, I was like, yeah, we're cutting it. And so yesterday she was like, did you cut it? I go, of course not.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's Netflix's. She was like, you pro. You lied to me. And I'm like, mom, I can't be like, hey, don't air the first one. She's like, well, that means you Lied to me. So I'm never coming to a show again. And I'm never going to do anything, like, related to any of your stuff. And I go, prom. Thomas, I would love if you never came to a show again. You know how much of a burden it is to have to babysit when you're there.

[A]

I was talking to Shane Gillis about a bit he does where people getting upset. People he knows getting upset about a bit.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And he's like, yeah, I'll stop doing that. Shut the up, shut up, shut the up.

[B]

She found out. By the way. I was on Chrissy D. And Giannis's podcast the day the Pope died or the day after. After I was in New York, we're podcasting. I was like, oh, because my mom's, like, hardcore Catholic. And I was like, let's call her and just check on her. And I go, we'll just try to see if maybe the Jews did it. So I call her. I'm like, did you hear about the Pope? And she's like, I am devastated to me. I don't know what happened, if he was sick, if it was the Jews. And she's like, what? And like, we had to cover our mouths. We had to cover our mouths and mute the phone. She's like. She goes, this is the craziest call I've ever received. The Pope died. Do you think the Jews did it? I had to hang up the phone. And then like a week later, she goes, I was on YouTube and I find that you called me on a show to talk about.

[A]

She's finding.

[B]

She found the clip. Yeah. She found the endless well of us with her on YouTube.

[A]

Oh, my God, that's so funny. Speaking of the juice, have you seen Kanye's new song? Bro, Bro.

[B]

What is what. Here's the thing.

[A]

What? First of all, kind of catchy.

[B]

Well, that's the problem with it. That's the problem is, like, the guy from production, like, he's never lost a step. He can make a beat. He can. Like, he's so talented.

[A]

He's a genius.

[B]

He's a talented producer, man. I do think it's like, when, first of all, I think people are kind of done asking him questions because most of the he puts out is like self release kind of commentary or thoughts. Is he saying just cra.

[A]

You know, it's the craziest thing.

[B]

But, like. But there is a thing where that song is like, what? What are you doing, dude? Like, for. What are you doing? For real?

[A]

It's the ultimate pushing back Yeah, I guess.

[B]

But there is like. Like. Like, I. I think I have a pretty, you know, let things go kind of vibe to me.

[A]

Obviously, your show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Shows. Ridiculous.

[B]

It's ridiculous show. And I've always been like, yeah, say whatever you're gonna say. But I do think, like, making a catchy song about that. I'm like, what are you doing, man? Like, you're just getting. At a minimum, you're just gonna get more people that think it's cool to say hi. Like, that's not the minimum.

[A]

Well, I think that's part of the problem. Program. Program.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think it's part of what he's trying to do.

[B]

But, I mean, is that cool to do? I guess if you're like, well, it's fun to troll the masses and get them to do that. Okay. But what I'm saying is that, like, at a minimum, you're gonna get less educated people to go, like, this is a fun thing to say. And you're like, I mean, is that good? You really want people just walking around, be like, you know, it's tight, man. How Hitler. Insane. Insane. It's crazy.

[A]

It is crazy. But it's also kind of a sign.

[B]

Of the times, I guess.

[A]

This is a chaotic world we're living in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like, okay, this is. This kind of highlights the. The benefits. I mean, I want to say this, like, carefully, because I don't want to think any. I don't. I want to say real clearly, I don't support people saying that. I don't think it's a good thing to say. No, I don't say it. I certainly don't think.

[B]

Think.

[A]

I don't think any racism is good. I don't think anti Semitism is good. I don't think anti Christianity is good. I don't think Asian hate is good. I don't think anything is good. But there's a benefit to just letting people talk. Like, let people say whatever the fuck they want to say, even if it sucks. This is the benefit of Twitter. But this is also the bad part. Part. It's like the fucking song has so many millions of hits.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On Twitter, it's been banned from every platform. But is it good to ban things from platforms, or is it better to let it be out there and let people talk about it? Because if you ban it, then people want to hear it more.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

And then it becomes more popular, and then it kind of supports what he says, which is that there's this concerted effort. If you talk about Jewish people, that they're going to remove you from everything. Remove you from banking, which is what he's saying. They run everything. So if they didn't, like, if it was just. You were talking about Puerto Ricans. Look what happened to Tony. Nothing. Yeah, he's doing great.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, if there's certain people that you're allowed to pick on and. And make jokes about or. Or mock or. Or say something, and you. You can get away with it.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I think he's made his point. I think we all get it now.

[A]

It's never going be to end. But how does it end? This is the question. When I was watching that song, first of all, I was by myself. When I first saw the song, I was like, what is this?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, no way.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, no, like, no way, no way.

[A]

And I'm watching on my phone, like, yo. And then my first thought was, how does this end? Because this ends. This is gonna end. There's gonna come a time where they're gonna realize, like, this is a problem.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So how does it end? Does it end in assassination? Does it end?

[B]

And there's definitely people that want to kill.

[A]

Financial ruin.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know what his financial situation is. I know that, like, there's been all these. Over the last five years, there's been times where, like, his, you know, net worth has been reported at, like, such a crazy amount. And then I remember, like, funds were frozen, and he was like, I don't have anything. And then it was like, all back. I don't know what his financial situation.

[A]

Well, they can't steal your money, but they can debank you.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Where no one will bank with you.

[A]

Right. So it's like, what. How does that work? Like, where do you get your ATM card?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is it from the bank of Portugal? Like, what do you have to do? Like, how does that work?

[B]

You know what I thought about when I was. When I was watching that video? I was like, how did. Like, how do you get. I don't know, however many actors.

[A]

That's easy. That's the easy part.

[B]

I think it's crazy. I think a lot of people would be like, what?

[A]

Oh, that's the easy part. You put out a casting call in la. Everyone's soulless. They have no soul.

[B]

Nuts.

[A]

They just want to get famous. You're gonna do a project with Kanye. Okay, let's go.

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

Also, I'm just acting just like that guy in Inglourious Basters. Wasn't really a Nazi, right? I'm not really a Nazi. Listen, man, I gotta do what I gotta do. I got kids to feed.

[B]

Yeah, it's nuts. It's pretty nuts. He's. Look, he's super talented, man. I. One of my thoughts after hearing that song was like, man, I wish he would release this song with like a different, you know, I mean, with a different hook. Like, yeah, no, I know he's not going to, but that's what I. One of my thoughts was. I was like, man, I wish he would.

[A]

It's so crazy. It's so crazy because his last album before that was a banger. It's like he came out of the gate showing people that, like, he still got it. Like, yeah, you might have pulled me off all these platforms. You might have debanked me. You might have taken away my easy deal with Adidas this. But damn, I still got it.

[B]

And he's. And that one was released everywhere, right? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, man, that's in the Spotify playlist that we play in the green room all the time. You know, there's some killer songs in that, man.

[B]

Yeah, he's. He's classics.

[A]

Yeah, classics. He's got so many bangers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you know, this one, he's just like letting people, I. I guess in his eye. I mean, I don't know, I haven't talked to him about it, but I guess he's like, I'll do whatever the I want. Clear. Whatever the I want.

[B]

Yeah, clearly.

[A]

So I'm gonna do the one thing that you're never, ever, ever supposed to do. I'm gonna make a catchy song with Heil Hitler.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, that's.

[A]

It's just like, whoa.

[B]

That is the ultimate like, whoa. I'll do whatever the I want.

[A]

Yeah. And you had to say, like, in the casting, there's like a description of all the stuff. If you want to be a part of this production, like, you have to be comfortable with swastikas.

[B]

That was in there.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. He's got a diamond encrusted swastika that's also insane, dude. By the way, you know, a juice hold him that probably.

[B]

Or at least applied the diamonds.

[A]

Where the diamonds come from.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

The Jewish people have been controlling diamonds for a long time.

[B]

It's insane.

[A]

They're very smart about the diamonds because the diamonds aren't even really that valuable.

[B]

You know what? You know what's crazy in. In jewelry? Cuz see, this is one thing that, like, I don't Trust about. There's certain businesses where you're like, I don't know what I'm looking at. Right, right, right. So like a car, for instance, you have the reference to go like, how much should this cost? Right, right. And right. So like it gives you some personal.

[A]

You see a Lamborghini, you know, that's like a $300,000 car.

[B]

And you can like check with people.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

But like a piece of jewelry, right? This guy who I, I bought a watch from was like, this jewelry is like, you know, know this ring or whatever, it's like whatever, $50,000 or something. I was like, oh, wow. He's like, do you want it? I was like, I don't know. And. And then like a month or two later, he, he sent me the same thing. He's like trying to move this now. Do you want it for like 20? What? And I was like, I didn't, I was like, it's 20. He's like, yeah, I'm just trying to move it now.

[A]

What does that mean? What do you own on it? What's it really cost?

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so you kind of go like, wait a minute. So I was gonna pay $30,000 more for it.

[A]

That would just go to you.

[B]

That's so gross, right?

[A]

It is gross. I would never trust that guy.

[B]

I just really turned me off, man.

[A]

Well, you know, it's really fake diamonds that are real diamonds.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Girls don't want them.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I was reading this whole thing about the, the demand and supply for lab created diamonds that are absolutely diamonds. They're not fake diamonds. It's a real diamond, but it's not a diamond that's pulled out of the ground by slaves.

[B]

It's just lab generated.

[A]

Yeah. It's not like a blood diamond. So like. Well.

[B]

And girls are like, I don't want that shit.

[A]

I don't want it. It's not real. Oh no, it's not real.

[B]

I want someone to suffer first.

[A]

Well, it's not that. What it is is the same thing as not wanting a fake roll up Rolex. Even though it's like physically the exact same thing as a Rolex, but that's at least a brand. Like if you're a person who loves engineering and craftsmanship, like you, like, I don't want, you know, someone to rip off someone's work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like that's art. Like, like your watch, that's a piece of art. It's a piece of art.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that makes sense. You wouldn't Want a fake piece of art. But a diamond is just.

[B]

Just.

[A]

It's just elements compressed over time. And they figured out how to do that. Where they make perfect diamonds.

[B]

Fraction of the cost, I'm assuming.

[A]

Right. But the demand is super low.

[B]

Yeah. Wow.

[A]

99 less.

[B]

99.

[A]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. In some cases, especially the Biggins.

[B]

Yeah. I was gonna say you get like a three karat diamond.

[A]

Right, right, right. Little ladies don't want them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I real one.

[B]

It's so crazy.

[A]

No.

[B]

That's one of the things cheap that I feel. So.

[A]

Do you think I'm cheap?

[B]

They don't want that.

[A]

Dude.

[B]

She finds out that what you got her was like the. The shittier version lab created.

[A]

But it's not even shittier. Right.

[B]

Thing.

[A]

It's like lab created diamonds are actual diamonds. It's literal alchemy. Remember like in like the old days, like they were trying to figure out a way to use like all these chemicals to make gold. That was. Alchemists are for like. Kings would spend insane amounts of money on these alchemists to try to get these alchemists to figure out how to manufacture. I think I can make gold for you, sire.

[B]

Yeah? Yeah.

[A]

I need a laboratory. Yeah. And these dudes are sniffing mercury all day and dying young.

[B]

It's the crazy easiest thing to spend on.

[A]

But imagine if the lady's like, no, you made that gold in a lab. I don't want it. I don't want it. I want real gold that's from Africa. That came out of the ground.

[B]

Yeah. We just want the real thing.

[A]

I want the real stuff that they picked out of the river.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I want the real stuff they got from Alaska. I want the real stuff. You know what? But it's just gold, baby.

[B]

It's gold.

[A]

It's just an element. It's.

[B]

Who cares where it's from now? No.

[A]

I want stuff that's forged inside of a sun.

[B]

How many women out there do you think to rock something that they're so proud of that if they go to get it assessed, it has to happen all the time.

[A]

It happened in my family.

[B]

It did.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to say who.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But someone rel. Not like close, but broke up with the guy and found out that it was a cubic zirconium.

[B]

That's hilarious.

[A]

Lol.

[B]

That's very funny.

[A]

But perfect for that guy. Guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, that guy's such a piece of. I knew it. I could have told you it was a fake diamond.

[B]

That's so funny.

[A]

I Laugh so hard. Yeah.

[B]

So she took it to the jeweler.

[A]

All right, well, she's like, I gotta break up with this guy. I don't have any money. She's living with this shyster, this guy, who's like a just dirt bag and, you know, but had some money. But not real money. Just like a. Just artist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's like, oh, he's a artist. I gotta leave them. Oh. So she thought, like, I'm gonna, you know, I have 10 grand.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sell this, right?

[B]

Like, I'll give you 100 bucks.

[A]

It's worth nothing. They didn't want any of it. They didn't. It's not worth anything.

[B]

That's fake.

[A]

Fake diamonds worth zero money. Looks exactly like. Like if you're in a party.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you go to a party, if you're a woman, you have this beautiful big ass rock and you walk in and everybody's like, look at her ring.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Sparkling. Nobody knows. Nobody has any idea that it's fake. No one knows you. I mean, literally, it's. Again, it's not a fake Ferrari.

[B]

Well, that was the thing. Chad Ochocinko, the football player, because like, a lot of the athletes, they rock diamond earrings and stuff. He was like. He was like, yeah, I wear fake fakes. He's like, especially because, like, from whether it was on the field or going out, he was like, I have a real one at home. You know, I was like, I go out, I wear the fake one.

[A]

Well, he saved a lot of money.

[B]

A lot of money. He was also, like, always very on top of, like, not overspending.

[A]

Very smart dude. Very smart dude. For everything except fighting. He has this very bizarre idea. Like him and Shannon Sharp argue all the time about. Bizarre idea that he could, like, fight MMA guys and be.

[B]

That's crazy. That's crazy.

[A]

Well, it's the reason why he was such a great athlete.

[B]

Yeah. Confidence.

[A]

Crazy, unstoppable belief in yourself, which. Listen, he's such a great athlete that if he did compete in mma, he probably would be a world champion because he's got that, like, if Michael Jordan decided he was gonna. If MMA existed when Michael Jordan was alive, he'd probably be the light heavyweight champion of the world.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Probably figure out a way everybody else up and it also, like this drive, this championship mindset. This is just rare. Humans that choose to focus on football or soccer or basketball or whatever it.

[B]

Is, you know, the thing they get obsessed with.

[A]

But if they put the same amount of energy from the same amount, an early enough age like, there's certain, like, barriers that cannot be overcome, and one of them is, like, physical maturity. Like, once you're, like, 36 years old. If you start boxing at 36 years old, I don't care what, you're not gonna be a world champion. It's too hard. It's too hard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's the way you saw with, like, Francis Ngannou when he fought Anthony Joshua.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's the difference, you know, you can't just jump on in and fight like an Olympic gold medalist. It's, like, been doing it his whole life. He's gonna do things to you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're not gonna know what he's doing, and he's gonna crack you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just. But the reason why he thinks that, like, Ocho Cinco thinks that is because he was monster athlete. He's like. He knows how hard he works. He knows how gifted he is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But he just thinks. But if, you know, you put him in there with a guy like a Drekus du Plessis or something like that, like, he's mauled.

[B]

No, he's thinking. Yeah. Because he was a precision route runner. Like, grill.

[A]

When someone's mounting you drilling elbows in your eye socket.

[B]

I know. It doesn't matter.

[A]

Like, it doesn't matter. You don't know how to block them. You don't know how to stop the Rear Naked choke. You don't know how to stop the trip. You don't know which way to roll on a heel hook.

[B]

Like, they're like, I'll figure that out.

[A]

No, you won't. You're gonna get your knees ripped apart. You get knocked unconscious. It's like reality, but it's. I love the fact that people think that way.

[B]

Way. There's a lot that think like, that outspoken.

[A]

It's my mentality, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My mentality.

[B]

I can't lose.

[A]

Yeah, I understand. I. I have that stupid part of my brain, too. But I'm also smart enough to go, hey, face. Like, I have two people in my head.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have, like, this.

[B]

I can do it.

[A]

I have the general who tells me what to do. And then I have, like, the soldier that's like, wait a minute. Yeah, this is gonna get me killed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is. I'm not running with a hand grenade. And to all these bullets flying my way.

[B]

No. And you know enough. Seen enough fighting to know what your limits are.

[A]

Especially with martial arts is the big one. It's like, you don't know, man. There's little tiny dudes that can Choke you to death. And you have no idea. You, in your mind, you're like, they get new to me. This, I could bench £300.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And next thing you know, arm drag. He's got your back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The body triangle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't want to tap out, but you have to.

[B]

You have to.

[A]

You're dead. You're dead. It's over.

[B]

That's why it's good. It's good to do, like, to even try all those things. Like, I've done a little bit of, you know, boxing striking. I've done a little bit of jiu jitsu. It's great to have the awareness. You're like, oh, wow.

[A]

It's a nice wake up call.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. When I first started doing Jiu jitsu, I was already like a very accomplished striker. I was really good at strike striking. So I was like, I know how to fight. And then I went to Jiu jitsu class. I got my ass kicked every day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, this is crazy. I was so wrong. I have this completely distorted idea of my abilities.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It really humbles you, right?

[A]

It's a lot of people walking around out there, especially men, just think they know how to fight.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like a terrible thing to find out on YouTube. Like, to see people find out that you don't really know how to fight. You just think, you know, you're gonna bluff your way.

[B]

I think that's the. There's the male thing. Men think they know how fight, that they're funny, that they good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that they can drive. Right. Those are like the four things. Yeah. I can do all that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Delusions. There's like, manly things you don't want someone to be better than you at.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you get delusional things.

[B]

Those four are the ones that, like, come up the most.

[A]

I think pool's another one.

[B]

Shoot pool.

[A]

Yeah. A lot of guys pretend they're good at pool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've had a bunch of dudes say they play good pool. I'm like, really? Let's find out. Let's find out.

[B]

Are. Do any ever surprise you that they are pretty good?

[A]

Never.

[B]

Never.

[A]

Not one.

[B]

Not one?

[A]

Nope.

[B]

Wow, that's. Actually, I thought you'd find at least a couple.

[A]

No.

[B]

So they're always like, no.

[A]

Usually people that are really good at pool, they'll tell you, like, oh, yeah, I used to play a lot. I played a lot of tournaments. I did this or that. Like, where'd you play?

[B]

Clear.

[A]

And they're like, oh, I played at Chelsea Billiards in New York City. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Did you do a lot of tournaments? Yeah, yeah, I did a lot of gambling. It was me up in high school. Like, okay, this guy. I get it. You. You know what you're talking about. But the guy's like, yeah, man, I'm good at pool. Like, are you. Where do you play? It's, like, going bars mostly, like. Right, right. So it's one of two things happening. Either they're trying to sucker you into a game and they are really good at pool, or they're delusional. And every time I've ever experienced it, it's delusional.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

There's a lot of people, dude. Like, famous people.

[B]

People, really?

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, a bunch. Yeah.

[B]

They're like, I'm pretty good.

[A]

Bring them over. I don't want to say names, but bring them over onto the table. And they're like, what the.

[B]

Oh, you have to tell me these names after you.

[A]

Afterwards. Yeah, yeah, it's fun.

[B]

That's. It's fun to see somebody.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it's fun because. But, you know, it's one of those things that people like. Like a lot of men want to think they're good at poker. Like, oh, I could read people like, sure.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that's another one. Dudes think they're good playing cards.

[A]

Poker's a great one. Ari Shafir, when we were at the store, Ari for years, many a living playing poker.

[B]

He made a living doing that 100.

[A]

He would go and play in the bicycle club and all those. Ari was very good at poker. But he would tell you. But, like, all these people think they can play. They don't know what the. They're doing because they play stupid. Like, he's just intelligent and calculated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He knows.

[B]

You know who's really good?

[A]

Who?

[B]

Philip Lee and his wife. Wife.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

They play in tournaments.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Margarita and Philip, they play in tournaments.

[A]

So is Bruce Buffer. Bruce Buffer played in the World Series of Poker.

[B]

I never. I never got into poker. And I remember when I was working in post production, like in the early 2000s, the. It was starting to get more and more. Like, now it's, I think, immensely popular. But there was, like a. There was, like, an uptick when they started to, like, televise it.

[A]

You know what it was? You know what made it uptick?

[B]

No.

[A]

You could see the cards when at home. You know who's got what.

[B]

You know who's got what, Right?

[A]

So you're watching it play out. That's a huge element that's on home because Anthony Giordano, my friend from the UFC, who he does all the UFC direction, he's done my comedy specials too. He explained it to me. He's like, the moment you could see those cards, that changed the game because now it made it exciting for people to watch. Because you're watching people play poker, you don't know what anybody's hand is until the end. This is stupid. Stupid. But if there's like, you got a camera. So like, as they fan open their cards, there's a camera under the table.

[B]

And shows you what.

[A]

It shows you what everybody's got.

[B]

Like, that's more exciting. That makes a lot of sense.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. So it's way more fun, dude.

[B]

I don't. I don't even know how to play poker. And I would accept invites poker games. And what happens is you start playing with like, how you think to play. And people start when they don't know you. They're like, this guy, guy, he's either really ballsy and good, or he's a.

[A]

Like.

[B]

And that's what would happen to me is like, couple games in, people were like, okay, yeah, this guy. And then pretty soon they're like, do you play poker? And I was like, I. I'm not really sure what we're doing here. They're like, get the out of here, man.

[A]

Well, they also want to rob you. Yeah, that's a big thing too, cuz you're a big fish.

[B]

Well, I wasn't, I wasn't at all then at the d. No, no, no. I. I was just like going like with people from work, you know, I was just like doing it socially.

[A]

That's got to be a lot a thing where a lot of people like that are really wealthy that get into gambling.

[B]

Oh, be a target.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Well, that's a big thing with pool players too, is occasionally poker players. Because poker players, a lot of them, they gamble on a bunch of different stuff. You know, a lot of them are just gambling addicts.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

And so there was always a bunch of poker players that would play pool. And they were kind of okay at pool, but they would get insane spots like say if like, I knew this guy that was playing one pocket for like a hundred thousand dollars a set. And one pocket is a weird game where the pool table has six pockets.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so, like, if we were playing one pocket, you would have this pocket on the right, out of this pocket on the left, and there's 15 balls. And so all I have to do Is is make eight balls in my hole and I win the game. Okay, normally. But if you don't know how to play and I'm trying to sucker you into playing me, I go, okay, listen, I will spot you on 15 ball game. I'll spot you 13 balls. 13, 13 balls. You just have to get two. We're going to play for big money. We're going to play for big money. We're going to play for race to five for a hundredth thousand dollars. So that means whoever. And a game of one pocket takes a long time. It's not like a game of nine ball. Game of nine ball. You could be be done two minutes, you just run the rack, you know, like a good player.

[B]

Anywhere you can go.

[A]

Yeah. But you can make combo. Exactly one pocket and, and you can't leave a shot because if you're playing a good player. So like if, if you were playing what if like. Okay, me, let's say me because I'm like a, what I would call, I'm like what's called a B player. Like I can't beat pros, but compared to regular people. Oh my God, you are, you. How do you play so good? Regular people don't know how to play. That's, that's why it is.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But if I played like a pro, like, if I played like my friend Fedor Gorst, who's like world champion.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like I would probably need like out of 15 balls. I'd probably need 11 balls to have a chance. And even then I'm probably getting robbed.

[B]

Really? Yeah, because he's just gonna, he's gonna.

[A]

Figure out a way to never leave me a shot. And then he's gonna calculate when he has a shot, can he open up the stack and then run all the other balls? Because you don't break like you break with eight ball when you break with one pocket. It's a very calculated game and it's a big gambling game. The most money gets spent on like I was just watching online the other day, a game they're playing for $240,000. Yeah, it was, was a match for $240,000. I think it was a three day match.

[B]

I gotta watch one of these.

[A]

It's. The pressure is insane. But this guy Justin Bergman, who's like one of the best players in the world was playing this guy and he gave him a crazy spot. I think it was, I think it was, it might have been like he had a. It was something crazy like 10, 6 or something like that where he had A, he had to make 10 balls, the other guy to make six balls. Balls. And the guy was a good player too.

[B]

And so if you're so this is like, it's more like chess almost. It feels like. Right. Because you're like, they're calculating.

[A]

Like you have to risk reward because like say you might have a long spot in your hole. And if you make it, you have all these balls and you can run out the set or you can run out the game, but if you miss, you're selling out. And this guy only has to make six balls. And he might be able to make six balls because.

[B]

And it's any six.

[A]

Exactly. Any six.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's just. Any ball just has to be in your hole in any order. It's not a thing. Like, it's not like a rotation game, like one through nine or eight ball where you're like, I got stripes, you got solids.

[B]

It's just anything goes.

[A]

Any ball in that hole.

[B]

And like the really, really good players can spot you that much.

[A]

Oh, you don't have a chance. And there's a really good players. Like there's a guy named Tony Chohan who's real famous. His nickname's T. Rex and he's like a big time money gambler. And there's another guy named Scott Frost who's a friend of mine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who's like one of the biggest one pocket players of all time. Guarantee you Scott Frost has gambled over the course of his life. Millions of dollars have changed hands with Scott Frost playing one pocket.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's like one of the best one pocket players, like literally ever. And these guys are playing, you know, they'll meet up in Kentucky. They'll. They'll have stake horses and then people on the rail. So all the people that are watching are gambling as well. So you might have a, you know, there might be a set that's being played for half a million dollars. Yeah. Like this one that I was watching. The Justin Bergman was $240,000 they were playing for. Yeah. And who knows how many people gamble on this.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. It's generating a lot more.

[A]

Oh, it's crazy.

[B]

That's when you think about, like, I think it's easy to forget when you're just into like the game. Like the amount of money that changes hand fans week to week with the NFL.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

Oh, my God, dude.

[A]

God.

[B]

Oh my God. Billions.

[A]

Billions. Has to be. Has to be.

[B]

It is such a gambling machine.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And like the NFL kind of like Goes like. No, it's not. It's about the gridiron. But then they also got to the point where it's like, you know, they couldn't ignore it because then you have sponsors, ships. Right. Of, like, there's gambling sites. Like, we're the official gambling spot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's all intermediate. Yeah. We're just part of it.

[A]

Listen, I'm all for you being able to do whatever the you want to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I. I like it. I don't like rules that regulate people's stupidity. I think if you want.

[B]

As you want.

[A]

If you want to do flips on your dirt bike, you should be able to do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you should also be able to gamble your life away if you want to do that. I don't think you should.

[B]

Not the.

[A]

Yeah, but. But I believe in. I believe in Darwinism. I believe you. You're supposed to let people, like, lose everything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

20, 24, $148.7 billion gambled. That's interesting, because that's what Doge found they spent on transgender animal studies. The exact amount.

[B]

No, bro, that's so much money.

[A]

148 billion billion three a week. Listen, compared to what the United States government chews up every day, that's nothing.

[B]

No, that's true. This is just the United States, too.

[A]

This doesn't include. So crazy. And that's just football. No, no, it's all sports, but most. Oh, all sports got to be mostly football, but.

[B]

Yeah, that's a lot of football.

[A]

Well, there's been a lot of scandals with the NBA, right?

[B]

Well, yeah, the.

[A]

The referees, shaving points.

[B]

Donna Hay. I think this is his name. That was not.

[A]

There's got to be a lot of those dirt bags out there, which totally makes sense.

[B]

And it's so funny, too, because the NBA, there's proud. Like, in football, there's this thing that happens where, like, every single down you could call holding if you wanted to, holding just happens in every play.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

Every play. But what they tend to call are egregious holds, meaning that the guy who's the defender is going past you, and you see the offensive guy, guy's arm extended, pulling the jersey. Like, I would call that basketball. It is so ticky tack. What can be called and what can be ignored and what is ignored and what is called. And it's just like ref to ref. Like, there's these clear, palming, traveling charges. Like, you see it sometimes you're like, what was that like?

[A]

Right?

[B]

Fingertips, like, graze the guy's arm. And they fucking call the foul and then somebody gets hacked. Act no foul. Right. And it's just. You kind of go, well, that's just like in the moment of the game. And like, if that guy wants to be dirty, like the one was, you.

[A]

Can make some money.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah. And if you got. You're working for the mob or something like that, like, this is your job. Your job is to shave points. Your job is to make sure that this. These guys don't score as much.

[B]

They just keep calling the fouls on the other guys, sending you to the foul line and keep that spread open. It's really gross, man. Yeah.

[A]

There's a real problem with it with MMA too.

[B]

Is it really?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. There's a real problem with MMA with. Here's a problem with mma gambling, incompetent judging.

[B]

Well, that's the thing.

[A]

Is it incompetent or is it dirty?

[B]

Dirty with boxing, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We've never seen anything.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Because like, even the layperson can watch someone beat the shit out of somebody and be like, this guy's fucking whooping this guy's ass. And then the decision go the other way. And you're like, I don't. What happened.

[A]

There's been a few decisions like that. There was one lady in Vegas and she got barred from ever referee or judging fights again. So there's a few fights that she was involved with. Everybody was like, what the fuck?

[B]

And she was the.

[A]

Yeah, we don't know.

[B]

Common denominator.

[A]

I don't know if she's ever been charged. I don't want to mention her name.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I know that there was like a real issue. It was a real issue with world title fight fights where people are like, how the is this. Because if, say, look, if, say, if, like your say it's Canelo Alvarez is fighting someone that you know he's gonna win. You know he's gonna be. But you can place a prop bet on it being a split decision or a majority decision. All you have to do is get one person to say it's a draw and that's it. And like, look, he's gonna win.

[B]

He's gonna win.

[A]

He's gonna win either way. But if I want to place a ton of money.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On this one thing. Some dirty judge could score to draw.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you just have to convince that dirty judge, like, just listen. Doesn't matter. You're not affecting this guy's career.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's going to get the win. No one's going to remember Just make it a majority decision.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you just got to justify why you thought. I'm a big fan of D defense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think the other guy just like blocked a lot of punches. I thought it was great.

[B]

It's really, it's. There's so many. I feel like in combat sports where.

[A]

The judging so subjective.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's just for a fighter, the crazy thing is you lose half your purse.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because like, you might get, you know, a hundred thousand to fight and then a hundred thousand dollars to win. And so if they, they hit you with a decision, you lost a hundred grand. That's because some hometown decision or some corruption.

[B]

Yeah. It's really unique that you have a sport when you think about it, where there's a subjective.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Winner.

[A]

Right. It's not like football, Right. Where like this every time the score. Yeah. Basketball ball goes in the net. Score, you could shave point. You could bullshit, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But if you got a. If you're playing Michael Jordan, he's going to score on you.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like you. What are you going to. How are you going to stop him? You know, not going to stop him. Right. So, like, the numbers he puts up are the numbers he puts up. But in boxing and in mma, like, remember when Roy Jones lost in the Olympics? Do you remember that?

[B]

Yes, yes, yes.

[A]

He lost the Olympics in Korea and he, that dude up, he beat that dude from pillar to post, 100%. It was nationalism. It was like. It was in Korea, like Koreans are very proud and they're like, he won like, what?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Roy Jones Jr. In his promise prime in the Olympics. I mean, not even in his prime yet.

[B]

Yeah. He. That guy up.

[A]

That guy up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you know, there's been a few decisions like that in boxing where you, like, how.

[B]

What was this the one. Because I, I watched a video on this, I think recently too, where I was like, oh, what was the explanation? Where it was Kennedy Tim. Right. Is that his name?

[A]

The fighter, Tim Kennedy.

[B]

Right? Is that his name?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Fighting the. The Cuban guy.

[A]

Yoel Romero.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a really. A bad one. That was bad.

[A]

That was a bad one. Yeah. That was a.

[B]

We're like, you know, I want to.

[A]

I don't know if that's the referee's fault or whatever, but he didn't get off of his stool. So Kennedy Tim had rocked him real bad at the end of the round, like, real bad. And then Yoel came, went to his corner wobbling out of it, and at the end of the one minute break, that you're supposed to have sat on the stool. It should be. It's over.

[B]

It's over.

[A]

Should be. It's over. But he got an additional, I want to say, more than 30 seconds to recover before he got. And then he wind up beating Tim. But also psychologically, for the guy who was fucking him up, for Tim, it's like, no, this fight is over. You're fucking me.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I'm getting fucked here.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And so then you're brain starts to.

[A]

And then you get out of your fight mindset, which has to be Zen, because he's get.

[B]

You're getting into the injustice mindset. Why isn't anybody fucking doing anything?

[A]

Yes, yes, yes.

[B]

And there was. That was just like a.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oversight.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know who. I don't want to pass blame.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But someone crazy. Yeah.

[A]

It should have been in my mind one minute. Get up. Are you gonna get up? Fight's over. This guy won. Yeah, that's it. He retired on his stool. You. Yeah, fight's over. That's what it should have been in my mind also, when the fight, when the. The round does go over, one minute, the guy doesn't get up. You've. You've put a burden on Kennedy that is just, like, totally unfair. Yeah, totally unfair. Especially when he was rocking him at the end of the round like this. This is like, the more time he gets to recover. There's a reason why in boxing you only get 10 seconds. You know, the more time he gets to recover, the more it's possible that he can win. This is not fair.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, it's supposed to be one minute, and that's it. If the fight doesn't restart at one minute, he's not ready. Ready. It's over.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's only happened once, and unfortunately for Tim, it happened to him.

[B]

Yeah, that does suck.

[A]

It was a bummer. Yeah, it was a bummer because Yoel Romero went on to. I mean, Yoel was a freak of all freaks, though. Like, yeah, the guy could recover. And he was also, like, just built like a superhero.

[B]

No, he looked like a goddamn pit bull.

[A]

He's part of the Cuban athlete program.

[B]

Yeah. Trap and the head, bro.

[A]

Everybody who fought him said that, like, hitting him hurt hitting him. So he's like. He's made out of metal. They all said that. Everybody said, like, everybody. Like Robert Whitaker, who beat him twice, who was the middleweight champion. He's like, every time you hit him, it hurt you. Like, he's just different. Yeah.

[B]

Freaky.

[A]

Guy. Yeah. So like if Chad Ocho thinko Shinko thinks he was gonna beat that guy.

[B]

No, like, no, listen, bro, no, like.

[A]

There'S people like you out there that also really know how to fight.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like there's like people that have that. That's a problem with like really tough guys. They think they're the only one like that.

[B]

Like. Yeah.

[A]

It's like you don't want to discourage that in a fighter because that's the thing that gets them to a championship level in the first place is this belief that they're just different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Than everybody. They're. They're the chosen one, that they're destined for the this. But the wakeup call that those guys get when they get knocked unconscious is the craziest thing. It's like the reality like, oh my God, I'm the victim now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I am. What I've been doing to other people, someone just did to me and now it's over.

[B]

That has to rock you on such a deep level.

[A]

The deepest.

[B]

Well, cuz it's also it with your identity.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Like who you are.

[A]

Oh yeah. Your word.

[B]

Yeah. Your whole self worth.

[A]

Girlfriend's not attracted to you anymore. You just got laid out.

[B]

You're like, yeah.

[A]

Like everybody thinks of you as a loser now. Yeah. Hey, had a rough one Saturday, huh? What happened?

[B]

What happened?

[A]

Hey, what happened? And all your. That fat stupid neighbor that's happy that you're a loser now. Like, yeah. Wasn't your night, huh, pal?

[B]

Yeah, Happens to all of us.

[A]

And you're like, hey, man, you. Yeah, like, listen, you know, maybe take a job where you're not getting punched in the head. Stupid. Don't get mad at me. Yeah, he likes that.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

People love it when the dominator fails.

[B]

Yeah, we like to. You know, it's funny because we like to like society, I think. I feel, I don't know if it's just all over the world or it feels like it's kind of American. We'd love to discover someone ride with them. Want everyone to know, this is who I've been with this person from the beginning. See them reach a certain height, then go, oh, fuck them. That guy. And then bring him down. Down. You see it all the time.

[A]

Well, because our society is infested with like an apartment filled with roaches. Our society is infested with.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And there's always going to be people that don't do their best, that don't go for things, that don't try real hard, that never put themselves out There. And so some. When someone does and fails, they're like, ha. And they want to troll them on social media.

[B]

You're not better than me.

[A]

I tell so many fighters you got to stay offline online because I've talked to fighters, like when they're arguing with people online. And I'll meet them, I'll see him. Hey man, listen to me. I know you think you're doing like, you're shutting these people up. If you ever see you, I'll smack you. Dude, I'm telling you right now, you got to stop doing this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You got to stop engaging and stop reading these things. This thing is. It's poison. You're reading poison and it gets in your head. It gets in your head like while you're training, I'm sure. Think about it while you're training. I know it does. It's like a lot of these guys are very fragile. Cuz a lot of these guys got like bullied and picked on, which is why they got into fighting in the first place.

[B]

Yeah, to like defend themselves.

[A]

And then you're getting bullied by a hundred thousand unknown anonymous 15 year olds. And your neighbor.

[B]

Yeah, your neighbor's hoping for your downfall.

[A]

Dude, I was reading this story about this lady who it. This girl, this young girl was getting like mercilessly trolled online and she found out it was her mom.

[B]

Yes, I saw this story, bro. It's like incomprehensible.

[A]

Incomprehensible. There's monsters out there.

[B]

That's a monster. To do that to your daughter. She's just jealous of her daughter's looks and popularity. Crazy. That's a monster.

[A]

Monsters are real.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You can't, you know, you can't. Like Gandhi, everything. You can't, you know, sat Nam the whole world. Ah, yama namaste. Yeah, no, that's not real. Like there's people out there you got to kill.

[B]

Yeah, this happened to like some soccer player too. I remember I watched like a doc on him. It's. It's like kind of vague to me, but he was getting totally like mercilessly trolled and attacked by someone and it turned out to be one of his friends. Friends? Yeah.

[A]

Marvin Gaye got killed by his dad.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

You want to hear something crazy? I was dating this girl and I was a giant Marvin Gay fan. I think she. I think she didn't like it that I was a giant. She was like kind of. She's kind of a. And one of the things that she said was like, imagine how Bad of a person he was that his own father killed him. And I was like, that you got out of this. That's your perspective kind of this, that she was such a bad person. Like, what. What could he have done for years that would have justified his father shooting him and killing him? I'll tell you what he did. He. He fucking outshone his father.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's what he did.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He. He reached levels of love that his father couldn't possibly have achieved in his life. And his father realized, I'll never be as good as my son. Fuck my son. And he hated him because of that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I'm sure there's probably a bunch of other stuff involved too, but.

[B]

But that's dark, man. Dark.

[A]

You shot your son. You're shot. And it's not like your son was trying to kill you.

[B]

No.

[A]

And you had to defend yourself and shoot him. No, he's a. He's just an amazing singer that the whole world loved.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he probably has a friend. Yeah. Look at you, man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Your son Marvin's killing it and you're just a loser kid.

[B]

What was the. Because I always knew, knew that the father did. Was it like a clear cut murder, like homicide? Oh, yeah.

[A]

The father just shot him. And there was a. It was an interesting thing because I think what had happened with Marvin Gaye was Marvin had achieved like incredible fame, but he got over in some record deal where he had like no money.

[B]

Yeah. I think he had like, like everybody in that era. So predatory.

[A]

Oh, you want to talk about predatory?

[B]

The worst music business is like the most disgusting you ever read.

[A]

The thing that Courtney Lover wrote, wrote about it, about the music business. A lot of people don't even think she wrote it because it's too, too good. But it was essentially a breakdown of how bad the music business. You.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this is at a time where you actually sold records.

[B]

Tons of them sometimes.

[A]

Yeah. Because now, now the music business, like it's like the mask is off. Like it doesn't provide any value. And they still take 50 of your touring, which is.

[B]

Of your touring.

[A]

Easy. Yeah. 50. 50. They do 50. 50 deals. Merch touring. Yeah. And then what are they going to do?

[B]

What do they provide?

[A]

They can't even get you on the radio because the radio doesn't exist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like you, you know, that's why people that break through from that model, like Oliver Anthony or, you know, Tyler the creator is a great example, like just makes his own stuff, puts it all. And it doesn't have to be People.

[B]

Don'T even realize that in that era, too. You would after your Twitter tour, after your tour and your hit album, that you'd be in debt.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

To the record company. So they're like, you gotta do another album.

[A]

Oh, yeah. And the record company's all rich.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Everyone's profiting. And then also they want you to subsidize the failures.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All these boy bands that they pushed that never made it, all the money that they put into that, that's a part of the accounting.

[B]

So insane.

[A]

And then Hollywood does the same thing. They would do the same thing with, like, how much money a movie made.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, there's been tons of lawsuits that involve that kind of stuff.

[B]

Wait, but where were you with Marvin? You're like, he's broke.

[A]

Yeah. So he. If I remember the story correctly, it was so depressing. I didn't even want to, like, really get into it because I think he had become huge superstar and then didn't have any money, which is. It's happened more than once. Once.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, and I think he might have had to move back in with his parents.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. I think that's really. Yeah, Yeah. I think that's the story. See if you can find that. Says he bought his dad Cadillac. But this is years later, though. Right. But the thing is, like, he might have, like, bought him money when the money was flowing in. And then after a while, you know, that's the other thing that happens with artists. Like, artists are impulsive, so they spend all their money.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They don't really. Like, how many artists get given, like, a Mercedes Benz by, you know, the head of a label and they think, like, oh, I'm killing it. Meanwhile, it's a lease car.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and they're just siphoning money out of you.

[B]

Someone's writing that loss.

[A]

You're just getting. You're getting left and right and right and left. And, you know, and all they do is sell art. You know, they're. All they do is sell art. Art. And they don't make any of it. And they make more money than anybody.

[B]

That's real. It's so. People didn't know, because now if you are into music, whatever, you don't realize how much it was a thing to have music videos. Right. Like, that used to be such the biggest thing. And a lot of artists, especially, like, the young artists, didn't even know that they were paying for the music video.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like, the label will be like, go, shoot your video. And they'd be like, Cool.

[A]

It's a million dollars.

[B]

And they'd be like, great, great. And then they're like, oh no, you're gonna pay for that. But they tell them later, we gotta deduct that million. Like, wait, what?

[A]

They're not sophisticated. They're not finance majors. Which is what we're talking about earlier. You should learn that in school. No idea.

[B]

That you're like, wait, I paid. I thought you guys are paying for this. No, no.

[A]

It's kind of funny that the video a. Like everything is visual, you know, like everything's visual now. There's so much video that people watch, but yet music videos kind of went away way.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Except Kanye's.

[B]

Except for that one we definitely all saw.

[A]

And the new one looks like he made it for $40.

[B]

Yeah, like it doesn't pretty.

[A]

I mean it's like you got a drone and a bunch of people.

[B]

Yeah. And Hild Hitler and he had like the black light kind of effect. Yeah.

[A]

Doesn't seem like that cost a lot of money.

[B]

No, I don't think that probably cost a lot. You can make things now too for so much less. Oh, with AI so accessible. Yeah.

[A]

With AI you don't even have to have the actual people doing it. You.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

Which is really crazy. Like what you could do now is nuts. My daughter was showing me some stuff that you could do with just photographs where she could take photographs and then she throws them through this filter and then they're dancing around and moving. You're like, this is nuts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So all you need is a photograph. And especially if you chose to have like effects in it, like some sort of psychedelic weird things where things morph and change. It could all could be done.

[B]

Done with AI now that's incredible.

[A]

Easily.

[B]

Well, there's. There's articles out about some studio. Maybe it's here in. In Texas. I got the. Somebody sent me the link to this that this company wants to. Yeah, they want to start making studio quality movies for 500k.AI movies.

[A]

I bet they can make it for cheaper than that.

[B]

But that's. Yeah, these are. I mean that's.

[A]

They probably have AI write the script, man. I mean if you're thinking about something dumbass cop movie, you know, some silly bank heist movie. You got a hero who's going to go in and kill the bad guys of the cost. You could write that easy with just take all AI has to do. He's like, it's a large language model, right. It all has to search through. Through Steve McQueen movies and Tom Hardy movies. Guy Ritchie movies. Put it together. Make me a movie.

[B]

No, it bums me out, though. Like, I don't want to watch that.

[A]

It should.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What is this? This is the Company. It's the first piece they made and shows a little bit about how they made it. The woman with red hair.

[B]

Yeah, they still are doing. At least they have actors, real actors, but then they're replaced.

[A]

God damn. Like, look. It looks so good. It looks so good. Like, that's not a real person. Isn't that crazy? Well, she does. It's the Uncanny Valley. It looks a little weird.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But getting better all the time. And the only reason why it looks weird is because it's so well lit. Like, if you wanted to do it like Sin City style. There's no like Sin City. If Robert Rodriguez wanted to do Sim City today, the whole thing could be AI.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

No one would know.

[B]

No.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

These are all fake people. People. And dude, just a few years ago, you couldn't do hair. Hair was weird, right?

[B]

You know, and so were like, extremities, right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Now, I mean, just in a short amount of time. It's incredible.

[B]

Why is that? That's so interesting. Why are fingers like.

[A]

Good question. And hair seems like it would take a lot of computing power, right? Because you have your.

[B]

You have strands, single strands, moving.

[A]

Like her hair's not.

[B]

Not moving.

[A]

It's pretty static. Yeah, but it's. No, it isn't. Go back. No, no, I'm saying. But it is all moving. Not the way it would. It would if. Yeah, you're right here. You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah. It's moving as like almost like a little bit of a helmet. Like that would be a tell. Like it's a little bit of movement but not enough. A little bit of bounce, but not like it's all spray painted. Like, as if. If their hair was like sprayed with a ton of hairspray. Couldn't move at all.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That would kind of make sense. But it's not moving.

[B]

So they all need that scene at the beginning of every of their movies. Like, always do it. Tough to do, too.

[A]

What is getting a good font that does. You know, you can't read anything in a movie. You probably. You wouldn't need it. But when you're looking for AI stuff. Right? Interesting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Look at that, like, look at that font. It looks like ancient, like Sumerian text or something. Like some lost language.

[B]

Yeah, like that one. And the. The fingers and toes thing is, like, I just wonder what the explanation is for that, because that's a tell in photographs too, right? You see a photo, you could be like, oh, look, that's got like six fingers.

[A]

Well, remember that lady? The English lady that was missing? Was her. Kate. She was missing forever. She's like. Supposedly was sick. Kate Middleton, she was sick. And then there was a photo that was released of her. Look, she's fine. Everybody's like, no, this is fucking AI. Like, in the photo photo, like, people had six fingers. And like. That's weird stuff.

[B]

That's weird.

[A]

In the photo, there was, like, weird. Clearly edited.

[B]

Yeah, it's gonna get way spookier. Way, way spookier.

[A]

We're just touching it.

[B]

Yeah, it's just started.

[A]

This is the infancy surface. Yeah, it's gonna be real weird. Like, actors should really save their money. You're gonna be useless in a short amount of time.

[B]

I agree. And also, if you have. Have any type of, you know, recognition to you now, you gotta, like, like, get your image, you know? I mean, like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like.

[A]

But also, like, how are you gonna stop China from just making Mel Gibson movies?

[B]

No, you're definitely not.

[A]

You're not gonna.

[B]

They're just gonna be like, I don't care.

[A]

Yeah, you. You gonna make a Mel Gibson when he's 35 movie off?

[B]

Yeah, he's gonna play it here. We don't care.

[A]

Let's off. We're gonna put it online. What are you gonna do? Run through 30 different shell companies? You're never gonna find who made it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, totally.

[A]

And it's gonna get to a point where it's gonna be virtual. So it's like, it's gonna be inside people's heads. You're gonna be able to exist inside the movie. It's. Things are gonna get so strange and they're gonna be so immersive so quickly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That the Matrix is a decade away. The real Matrix, where you're in the Amazon and you are barefoot and you feel the ground under your feet. Feet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you hear the monkeys and the birds and the bugs in the trees, and you hear the. The sound of a panther nearby. Like, that's gonna be real.

[B]

It's gonna be real. And you're gonna be like, why do I even want to go back to real life? Partake in the real world?

[A]

Like, what's that guy's name? Joey Pants from the Matrix? When he's eating the. Eating the steak is like, I want to be important. I want to be an important person.

[B]

Yeah, Like.

[A]

Yeah, that's what people want to do. They'd rather be an important person in the matrix. Matrix.

[B]

That's so true, man.

[A]

And we might be in that right now. That's the real mind fuck. The real mind fuck is if they can eventually create a artificial reality that's indiscernible. How do you know whether or not you're already in it and you don't?

[B]

Well, you wouldn't.

[A]

Yeah, there's a lot of evidence that we are.

[B]

That we're in it now.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of evidence that reality as we know it is not real. That it's too weird. Quantum entanglement. Quantum particles being in superposition. The fact that at a subatomic level, everything is kind of magic. Like, nothing makes any sense. Also that when you observe things, it changes the behavior of subatomic particles. Like, what. What's that all about? What does that mean? Like, no one really knows.

[B]

I'm experiencing that. This in a. In an altered reality.

[A]

I think consciousness might be responsible for. For reality instead of consciousness is experiencing reality. I think it might be both things. I might. I think it might be consciousness is experiencing reality as well as consciousness is responsible for reality.

[B]

How much of a mind would it be if somebody unplugged you right now? Now you're like, this whole thing you've been doing.

[A]

Pretty mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like. But I mean, if anybody should believe in it, it's me. Like, I don't. How is it possible that my life was like this?

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

Doesn't make any sense. I'm just, like, killing it in a video game.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Doesn't make any sense.

[B]

Doesn't make sense.

[A]

No, but. But. Doesn't make sense. This is why, like, for a fighter, like, the loss must be so unbelievably devastating.

[B]

It's like the equivalent, right?

[A]

Yeah. It's over.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like. And you see champions that keep coming back and keep getting knocked out.

[B]

You're like, no, don't do it again.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just like, they can't believe you don't.

[B]

Want to see it again.

[A]

Can't believe it's over. But I was. I was it the. I was the winner of the game.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I won the game. I was winning the game. Nope. No, not anymore. No. Now reality has shifted. And now on top of it, you've got brain damage.

[B]

Oh, boy. That's worse than the version we get.

[A]

Oh, it's the worst.

[B]

Yeah, that's the worst version.

[A]

Brain damage. Is the worst. Because now you. The way you interface with reality might be damaged. Sort of like a car with a bad suspension out on the highway with the. The wheels shaking. Now, like, the way you interface with.

[B]

The universe itself changes completely.

[A]

Yeah. So you're. You're taking a gamble. The highest amount of glory possible is like winning fights in front of the whole world. I mean, I would only imagine that, like, becoming a UFC champion and they, you know, put that belt on your waist and the whole crowd's like, yeah. And people at home like, yeah. Yeah, he did it.

[B]

Holy crazy.

[A]

Holy. You text your friends what a fight. Holy. That. The love that person gets. The accomplishment that person gets.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But the price is you're risking the way you interface with reality itself. The brain. You're. You're risking the brain. And he might get out of it. Like George St. Pierre. You know George St. Pierre. Fine, handsome, wealthy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Perfect.

[B]

Like, intellectually, like, you're the man still, bro.

[A]

Still the man. Yeah. Like, you know, whenever I talk to him is like, Joe Rogan. How is things? Everything is great, buddy. He's all happy. You're like, boy, you really pulled it off. You really pulled it off. You became a 2 division world champ, champion, one of the greatest fighters of all time, and you're fine. Chalk me in one of them bad boys. Yeah, man, I forgot about them rogues. I like those.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

The.

[A]

But for most, it's gonna end badly.

[B]

Yeah. And the crazier part to me is how many of those guys you go, hey, if you could go back, you know, we just change things. And they're like, no. Some of them, like, go, I. I love the glory so much. Like, you see it in fighting. You see it, like, in the NFL. Some of them are like, no, I'll accept the identity. Yeah.

[A]

The identity is so huge. The identity to be a special person. There's no. You don't get to be a special person. Most people don't get to be a special person. And a special fighter is a different kind of special person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, that's a guy who took the craziest of risks. Like, we all know, and you know better than anybody, how vulnerable the human body is because of your surgery and your injury.

[B]

Injury sucks.

[A]

Horrible. So, like, imagine if you had a fight and now, like, you were a big time fighter and you hurt yourself playing basketball with Bert Kreischer.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And then you got to build yourself back up to fight again, but you kind of know that your left arm is kind of still a little bit.

[B]

Yeah. No, you never. Like, no matter how far you get from it, you still have the voice in there.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

More so now, right?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Like, I never had that voice before.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Of like watching out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Be careful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, do that.

[A]

And I, you know, I've had three knee surgeries and like I'm having a problem with this left knee that I really hurt. The last time I heard it pretty bad was skiing. And the last time I ski because I cracked the bone that's at the top of the tibia, but. And then I probably messed up the cartilage and in there too. But it's still better than most people's knees. Knees. Like, it's better than a regular knee. Like, like people like, how, how bad is your knee? Like, it's not up, like, compared to your knees. Like a regular person's knees.

[B]

Yeah. Because you.

[A]

I need my knee to be able to kick 60 miles an hour and do a bag of sand.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I'm requiring different things for my knees, most people, but I know it's not the same.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if you're a fighter and you know you got a bum knee, like, even though nobody can tell while you're moving around and you know your hand breaks easier now and you know your neck hurts and you know you got a pinched nerve and you know your lower back gives out sometimes and you know, you know, your kidneys kind of hurt because you cut weight for too.

[B]

Many years, you know, sounds like, you know, you shouldn't be fighting.

[A]

And you know, and you know, your memory's not so good anymore. And then also, you know, you can't take a punch anymore. Like, a lot of guys know that they used to be able to take a great punch, but now you can't get hit. So now you're gun shy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know. Did you see Devin Haney's fight last weekend?

[B]

No.

[A]

He fought like, you know, Ryan Garcia fucked him up in the last fight and dropped him a bunch of times.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this fight, like, it looks like he's done, like he's moving around just like it was just constantly.

[B]

Movie fight.

[A]

I forget the gentleman's name. But there were rounds where neither one of them landed a punch.

[B]

The whole round.

[A]

The whole round.

[B]

And Garcia, that's the one where he was, was. He won the fight. But then there was all this.

[A]

He tested positive for some sort of performance enhancing metabolite at a very low level, by the way. Like, not a level where it would be performance enhancing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I don't know what happened. He says he didn't take anything or.

[B]

What ended up happening with the. The decision or the purse or whatever he got.

[A]

It became a no contest.

[B]

Oh, it became a no contest.

[A]

Yeah. And I think he's also getting sued because, you know, is Devin Haney claimed that he won because he was on steroids, and that's a bad look. And. But you could tell it like, mind fucked Devin Haney. And a lot of people, like, totally are writing off Devin Haney now, which is crazy because I remember when he beat Kambosos, I was like, damn, Devin Haney, slick. He's so good. And now, like, that guy is just. He was just moving constantly and still very skilled boxer. But it just shows you, like, one. One devastating loss for an undefeated fighter. Can you up?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And some guys, they come back and they're fine, you know, like Garcia, for instance, like Gervonta Davis, him up. He came back and he was fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then this weekend, or that weekend, rather, he fought Rolly Romero, and Romero dropped him and he lost the decision. So they were gonna, like, set up a big rematch. Now nobody wants to see the rematch because they both lost.

[B]

They both lost.

[A]

Well, actually, Devin didn't lose lose. He won a decision, but he lost public credibility because it was a very boring fight. Still, incredibly skillful boxer. World champion boxer, like, very good boxer. But even the commentary, like Antonio Tarver was like, I don't like the way he's moving. His footwork seems erratic. Like, everything is, like, he needs to settle down. They Jose Ramirez.

[B]

Yeah, but so Haney won this fight.

[A]

Yeah, he won a decision.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But it was the. The fans lost. And this was big event in Times Square. This is also a big event because Turkey, Alishik, the. The guy from Saudi Arabia, His Excellency is the guy who's dumping incredible amounts of money into boxing so that he can get these guys to fight each other. So he's put it. He's like, what do you need for the fight? How much to make this fight happen? Like, I need $10 million, like, done. And like, what? Like, fuck, I should ask for 20. It's that kind of a situation because the Saudis have so much money. So Oscar De La Hoya was talking about this, and he was saying these guys are spoiled and they're afraid to risk anything.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because the money so much, which is so interesting. Like, you need a guy who's willing to risk it all to really go for it, and these guys aren't willing to do that and I think the Devin Haney thing, it's one of those things where you see a guy who is an unbelievably skilled fighter but loses just one fight and they're just not the same.

[B]

Again, not the same. And Geronte's still.

[A]

Gervonta's still killing it.

[B]

Killing it.

[A]

But he had that fight with Lamont Roach where it was a draw and there was a legit draw. And, you know, you could even make the argument that Roach won that fight and they're going to fight again. That should be very interesting. But I think it's also, for boxers, there's a situation where you can only keep up the rpms for so long. All the greats, they just. There's a certain amount of times that you can keep training, a certain amount of times so you can keep competing. And like, we're talking about, like, your arm, you know, it's kind of up. Yeah, that happens with them, too. Like, the ankles are bad. Something's bad.

[B]

Like, I can't do the same level of out.

[A]

Yeah, it's not the same. They're not this. They're not who they used to be. They might look the same, but they can't do what they could do five years ago, six years ago. Yeah, yeah, it's hard. It's a hard sport, man. And. But it's also because the glory is so high if you're successful, so people are willing to do. Do it. Yeah.

[B]

Very crazy, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Thank God that's not how we make a living.

[A]

Thank God. Dude, if the UFC was around when I was competing, I 100% would have done it. And then imagine how dumb I would be now at 57 years old. Oh, I'd be a mess.

[B]

A lot of staring.

[A]

Oh, it'd be a lot of, like, drooling and so. Hey, you look good. You losing weight? You losing weight? He goes, what are you doing? He goes, you dieting? You know, my brain would be like a four cylinder engine, like, all up.

[B]

No, it's good. You. You didn't get into that.

[A]

Dude, it is, but I think I got the right amount of brain damage.

[B]

Yeah, you've said that to me before.

[A]

I think so. I think there's just a certain amount that you get that makes you just a little reckless. Yeah, a little crazy.

[B]

Touch.

[A]

Yeah, just a touch. I just gotta. Yeah, just a touch of brain damage that allows me to be. I like taking. I enjoy risks. Yeah, Like, I like them. They're fun.

[B]

Me too. Too.

[A]

Did you just fall in your head?

[B]

Yeah, I had a couple devastating. Yeah. A couple bad ones.

[A]

I bet it helped.

[B]

I think I have some frontal lobe damage, and. Yeah, I think it.

[A]

I think it has something to do.

[B]

I do. I like calculated risks.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I mean, I think if you take this career path, you enjoy risk, clearly. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But also, you don't have any choices.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, my thought was, when I was first starting, I was like, I can't work. I can't do it. But I know I can do things, but I can't show up and do a job all day for the rest of my life. I don't have that in me. I'm allergic to it. I didn't. Like, I was a latchkey kid, so, like, I didn't get a lot of, like, you got to do this, you got to do that. So the problem is, like, I developed not having people tell me what to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't listen.

[B]

I think every. Every comic has that thing, too. Like, I can't have a boss.

[A]

Also, I was around enough bosses that were just total constant.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And douchebags.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That I just. Like, in my mind, the boss is an always. Every time. He's unappreciative fucking idiot who. You got to listen to him because he's responsible for your paycheck and he knows it. So he gets to act like a douchebag. And you can't go, hey, man, fuck you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who are you talking to? Why do you talk to people like that, you fucking idiot? Yeah, you can't, because he's the boss.

[B]

He's the boss. Yeah. No, it sets you up for, like, I'll figure out a way. I think if I hadn't done this, I would. Would have. I definitely think I would. I would have started my own business of some kind, you know? I mean, been an entrepreneur of some kind.

[A]

Yeah, you would have had to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But that's. You know, how many people don't? Or they get roped in, and then they have a bunch of responsibilities, like family.

[B]

No, it's a. Yeah. I mean, now we're at the age, too, where you, like, you can look back on 25 years of people, you know.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Who are, like, miserable.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

God.

[A]

People that are in hell.

[B]

Yeah. In hell.

[A]

In hell.

[B]

Meanwhile, we're killing it. Yeah. But, you know, it's really crazy, fun things. Yeah.

[A]

Is when people get out of standup, and then they see everybody doing real well, and they want to jump back in. And it's been like, I've gotten some messages from Some friends that I know, they haven't been stand up in a decade. And I'm like, you can't just, you.

[B]

Can'T just jump back in. No.

[A]

Well, if you do, like, you gotta, gotta, like start from the beginning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Start doing open mic nights again. Like you've been in the writers room just doing, writing for a sitcom for eight years.

[B]

You lose your footing so much in that time. It's a different, it's a different. Like sometimes I've had, you know, a week off, two weeks off, even a month or something off where you're like, oh, like you're, you have sea legs. Like, you're just like, whoa. I can't imagine 10 years, dude.

[A]

I'm gonna do a lot of writing. Fighters. When they got in the strike, you know, when the strike was going on, like, how long did that strike go on for?

[B]

God, it was months.

[A]

Long ass time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And these guys have mortgages and the kids are in private school and their wife likes to spend money.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And they're used to making, you know, half a million a year, you know, doing real good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then all sudden it all dries up and like. Oh. And then their, their savings account and the wife's like, what are you gonna do? Like, I think I'm gonna start doing stand up again. Like, and they start trying to put together an act and they want to show up and then the club doesn't know who they are anymore.

[B]

Oh, God. Yeah. Scary. It's a scary feeling.

[A]

It's the worst. But it's like this decisions that you make in life, like, what are you going to do? Like, what are you going to do with your life? Those are personal decisions, which is why they're like, this whole free will versus determinism thing drives me crazy. Because these people that want to believe there is no such thing as free will, like, yeah, you can do that cute little thing. But you know that free will is real because you know that you decide to get up in the morning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you tell me Jelly roll didn't have free will to lose that £200.

[B]

No. Yeah.

[A]

Perfect example.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, that's hard to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're 400 plus pounds. Pounds. You're fat as you're drinking and partying every night. And then one day you put your foot down and you're doing this. Yeah, that's enough. I'm getting, I'm gonna get healthy. That's free will. Like what you're telling me. Determinism, like, forced him into a position at 39 years old, where he's all of a sudden going to decide to lose all this weight and has nothing to do with his free will. That's silly.

[B]

Yeah. Will's a real thing, of course. And we all have it. And you can just deny it, but it's. Why I don't know. Anything that you get, you accomplish. That's work is through. Through free will. It's through making choices.

[A]

But then there is also a certain amount of determinism if you grow up in a terribly abusive household and you're around drug addicts and violence and then you go and commit that. It's almost like you have no other example polls. You're.

[B]

You're true. It's. I get that. But you still make a choice.

[A]

You do, but you don't even know what a good choice is because you've never even seen a good choice.

[B]

That's. That's a. That's a valuable analysis that like you had a horrible modeling. So you just. You're just following a path you. You think is the only path. Right.

[A]

And some of those guys get involved in athletics. Right? Some of those guys get lucky and they become a fighter. Or maybe they. They get lucky and they become musician. Or maybe they get lucky and they become. Become something else or a comic.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But. Yeah, it's just the choices that you make in this life are. You don't know if it's the right choice while you're doing it. While you're making that choice.

[B]

Well, I'm about to find out whether making this TV show. I'll find out.

[A]

Do you have to piss? It seems like you're wiggling.

[B]

I gotta piss.

[A]

I knew it.

[B]

I do it.

[A]

Should we wrap it up?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Listen, that. What you showed me is amazing. I'm sure it's gonna be bad things. Thoughts? When is it out?

[B]

It's Tuesday. So the. Tomorrow.

[A]

Tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, it's the. This stuff that I saw is amazing. It's hilarious.

[B]

Thanks a lot.

[A]

I'm glad you're doing stuff, man. I'm just glad you're out there. I'm beautiful to see.

[B]

I'm very excited for it. I'll tell you, it really. It. I know it's an overused term, but it really was a dream come true to do it.

[A]

Well, you can tell. You can tell by how well it came out. It's so ridiculous. It's so you. It's such a. A signature Tom Segura type of humor.

[B]

Thanks, man. It's awesome. I'm excited for it. Thanks for having me on, man.

[A]

My pleasure, my brother. Anytime. Love you to death. Bye, everybody.