#2329 - Ehsan Ahmad

Summary

Summary of "The Joe Rogan Experience" Episode #2329 featuring Ehsan Ahmad

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Joe Rogan Experience
• Host: Joe Rogan
• Guest: Ehsan Ahmad
• Release Date: May 29, 2025
• Description: The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan, featuring in-depth conversations on a wide range of topics.

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1. Relationship Dynamics and Political Scandals

The episode opens with Joe Rogan discussing a viral video featuring Bridget McCrone, Macron's wife, slapping him. Hassan Ahmad comments on the surprising nature of the incident, likening it to scenes from "Curb Your Enthusiasm."

• Notable Quote:
  • Joe Rogan [01:46]: "But the fucking Bridget McCrone one is the craziest because I think she's right. I don't. Obviously, I don't know. But at the end of the day, the first thing you have to say is, what kind of a 40-year-old dates a 14-year-old?"

2. Government Corruption and Political Maneuvering

The conversation shifts to the topic of corruption within government structures. Joe and Hassan discuss how politicians often remain in power to avoid scrutiny and the challenges of combating systemic corruption.

• Notable Quote:
  • Joe Rogan [07:25]: "You gotta ride into the rocks... If you're a corrupt politician, you gotta stay in office. You can't retire. If you retire, you're open game."

3. Conspiracy Theories and High-Profile Cases

Joe Rogan and Hassan delve into various conspiracy theories, including the Epstein scandal. They question the transparency of official accounts and speculate about hidden information that could implicate high-profile individuals.

• Notable Quote:
  • Joe Rogan [17:11]: "The thing about them saying that. I've seen the file. He definitely killed himself. Well, what could be in the file?"

4. Artificial Intelligence and Blockchain Technologies

The discussion transitions to the impact of AI and blockchain on society. They explore how these technologies can both safeguard information and be manipulated for purposes like mind control and election interference.

• Notable Quotes:
  • Joe Rogan [37:05]: "A blockchain is a decentralized digital ledger that records transactions across a network of computers in a secure, transparent, and tamper-resistant way."
  • Hassan Ahmad [39:23]: "This makes me feel old. I feel like my dad looking at a. Yeah."

5. Social Media Manipulation and Echo Chambers

Rogan and Ahmad analyze the role of social media in shaping public opinion. They discuss the prevalence of bots, the creation of echo chambers, and the challenges in discerning real information from manipulated content.

• Notable Quote:
  • Joe Rogan [43:15]: "There's too many voices and there's too many people that are trying real hard to gaslight you."

6. Historical Analogies and Cultural Observations

Using historical events and cultural references, the duo draws parallels between past and present societal issues. They discuss the decline of the Mafia, the influence of the Vikings, and the evolution of communal and tribal behaviors in modern contexts.

• Notable Quote:
  • Joe Rogan [32:00]: "So if the Italian mob's in business, like, whoever's running it is not being ridiculous about it. Like, John Gotti was just being flagrant about it."

7. The Future of Society: AI Integration and Ethical Concerns

Looking ahead, Joe and Hassan ponder the future relationship between humans and AI. They speculate on scenarios where AI could become autonomous agents with potentially harmful capabilities, raising questions about ethical programming and control.

• Notable Quote:
  • Joe Rogan [165:52]: "Imagine if they really design artificially intelligent robots that kill people and eat them, because that's the way to really do if you want to do battle efficiently."

8. Media Influence and Public Perception

The conversation touches on the influence of media in shaping narratives around political figures and events. They critique how media outlets handle scandals and the importance of critical thinking in consuming information.

• Notable Quote:
  • Joe Rogan [175:07]: "If you don't believe in them, then I don't trust what you. I don't trust your worldview."

9. Personal Stories and Comedic Insights

Towards the end of the episode, Joe Rogan and Hassan Ahmad share personal anecdotes related to comedy, the challenges of maintaining authenticity, and the influence of personal relationships on professional life.

• Notable Quote:
  • Hassan Ahmad [186:36]: "I mean, you. And then, you know, there's a lot of stuff you can't talk about in social media that you want to talk about on stage that are funny."

10. Closing Remarks and Future Outlook

As the conversation winds down, Joe and Hassan reflect on the rapid pace of technological advancement, societal changes, and the importance of adaptability. They emphasize the need for vigilance in the face of evolving challenges.

• Notable Quote:
  • Joe Rogan [165:34]: "I have a feeling that this AI aspect of our life is totally unmanageable at the point we're at right now."

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Key Takeaways:

• The episode covers a broad spectrum of topics, from political scandals and corruption to the implications of AI and blockchain technologies.
• Joe and Hassan emphasize the importance of critical thinking and skepticism in navigating a digitally manipulated and rapidly changing world.
• The discussion highlights concerns about the future integration of AI in society and the ethical dilemmas it presents.
• Social media's role in creating echo chambers and influencing public perception is critically examined.
• Personal anecdotes provide a relatable perspective on the broader societal issues discussed.

Note: The podcast contains discussions on sensitive topics, including political corruption, conspiracy theories, and ethical concerns surrounding emerging technologies. Listener discretion is advised.

Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Check it out.

[Joe Rogan]

The Joe Rogan experience. Train my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Oh, hey, fella.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, what's up?

[Joe Rogan]

What's going on, man?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Good, good.

[Joe Rogan]

It's good to see you. Good to be back. Yeah, brother, I had a. A few interesting days. Just chilling and relaxing and trying to stay off the news, man. And then this morning, someone sent me a video of Bridget McCrone, Macron's wife fucking face slapping him. Yeah, that's wild, dude.

[Hassan Ahmad]

My favorite is the look into the camera once he realizes I got caught. Yeah, he's like, oh. And he. It's like, it's very. You could put like the curb your enthusiasm theme song right after that.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine what goes on behind closed doors if someone's bitch slapping you on a private jet. Like, what is that? Yeah, that's a weird relationship.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, she was his teacher.

[Joe Rogan]

If it was a she.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, yeah, there's a whole, like.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a whole, like.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, there's a whole, like, thing, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Candace Owens did like five hours on it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's a little bit crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, she's the wrong dog to go after you, right? If you're trying to break into a house, that's the wrong guard dog, right? She gets on something. She's like a pit bull.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No, she. She really breaks down. I had a friend once show me her breakdown of, like a Taylor Swift situation, because I didn't know Candace talks about, like, that sort of stuff as well. And I was like, oh, this is like a really in depth breakdown of what's going on with Taylor Swift. That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, she did the whole Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively thing and I'm eating popcorn.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, yeah. Oh, no.

[Joe Rogan]

But the fucking Bridget McCrone one is the craziest because I think she's right. I don't. Obviously, I don't know. But at the end of the day, the first thing you have to say is, what kind of a 40 year old dates a 14 year old?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, that's the thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Even if it's a woman and a man, first of all, Kurt Messer says it's 14. I think the Internet says it's 15. Kurt Mesker goes, But it's definitely 14. He was younger than that. Did you see me get cornered by him yesterday?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, my God, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

He just hit me with like seven different conspiracies in a row. And I'm like, guys, guys, I'm getting cornered.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's so hard to follow him a lot of time. When you're just like, okay, I felt.

[Joe Rogan]

Like a woman trapped at like an office party and the guy who's hitting on them, like, won't leave him alone. They can't escape. Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Have you ever seen that meme of that, like, girl at the party and the guy's just talking at him?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's always like, you know, something about flat earth or something.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But yeah, no, it's. I saw that and I was like, that's crazy that this happened this morning.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy. But the, but the facts of the situation. 40 and let's say 15. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. 15 is. I have a 15 year old. They're little kids essentially. You know, they're like three years away from being an adult. Three whole years.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, you know what's, you know what's interesting is that like, I listen to a lot of true crime and they'll say that like pedophiles and stuff will put themselves in situations where they can abuse. And that's. I think that that's why there's a lot of.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Nickelodeon thing. It's like the Jimmy Savile thing in England.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's craz.

[Joe Rogan]

So crazy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's crazy. I was trying to explain to someone this week, I was like, imagine if Mr. Rogers was the biggest pedophile that.

[Joe Rogan]

Ever existed, but also looked like one. Yeah, that's what's crazy. Like Mr. Rogers looks like a sweet guy. You know what I mean? Like back in the day, like, if a guy like Mr. Rogers was teaching kids, you wouldn't even get creeped out. It's like, oh, he's just a sweet guy. There's sweet people out there. But Jimmy Savile looks like a monster. You look like a monster. Like, didn't look a real person. He looked like. What was that fucking movie? There was that movie that was based on a book. Oh, my God. Johnny Depp was in it. The guy from How I Met yout Mother was in it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

This is not ringing any bells for me.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a really weird book. That's like half fantastic, half realistic. Sort of almost Harry Potter. Ish.

[Jamie]

The Secret Window.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it. Okay, let me see what it looks like.

[Jamie]

Based on a Stephen King.

[Joe Rogan]

No, that's not it.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no, no, no, no. It was like a recent.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Is it like almost Harry Potter? Is it Magical Beasts? Yeah, yeah, that movie.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it. Oh, that's it. Yeah, it's a magical beast.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He looks like an evil person in Magical Beasts.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right, right. Like A bad wizard. He definitely looks like a bad wizard.

[Joe Rogan]

Doesn't look like a real human, but.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I wonder too, if.

[Joe Rogan]

Pull up a picture of Jimmy Savile. Look at that guy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I think it's. It might be so hard to look past, like, everything that he's done.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

For us to not see the monster like, there, it must have been like, oh, because.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no. That's a monster. That's a monster. That's a monster. That's a monster. No matter what. That's a monster. That's a monster with the glasses. There's something about his eyes. Obviously. We know too much. Right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

But look at this shirt. Open. No, no, no. You know, like, no T shirt underneath it. Chest hair. Something around his neck that matches his shirt. I guess a tie just around his neck. He's a creeper.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. But at the time, they were like, oh, he's just a British eccentric guy. That's the. We British are known for our weird people. God, 50 years just.

[Joe Rogan]

And died. And no one ever caught him.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No one ever caught him. BBC covered it up. Crazy. Just let him get away. Used to hang out at the hospitals that he would.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's the Sandusky thing too. Sandusky think. Same thing. Like, everybody knew about it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, dude, everyone knew about it. But they were winning. So, like, dude, we win championships. I didn't think the devil.

[Joe Rogan]

If the devil's a real thing, that's where the devil lives.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's very funny to me at least. Well, you know that they exposed Sandusky after they went seven and six. They were like.

[Joe Rogan]

They were.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They were winning for so long, and then they were like seven and six.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that really what happened?

[Hassan Ahmad]

It was the same. They went. They had a horrible year. And then the next year, Sandusky. The Sandusky thing came out.

[Joe Rogan]

They needed to make changes. He wasn't doing his job.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I think he had already retired at that point, too. Just crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

That's even. Yeah, that's when it's over because you're not valuable anymore.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And so you got Biden that motherfucker. You got to Pelosi that motherfucker right into the rocks.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, like Dianne Feinstein in a wheelchair being told by her operatives who to vote for.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. That's what you got to do if you're.

[Joe Rogan]

Send us ride that bitch into the rocks. Because if you get out, then they start investigating you. Like, whoa. Stay active.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, you got to keep. You got to keep achieving con alive.

[Joe Rogan]

Keep these people fed, because they will feed you to the wolves, right? If you're a corrupt politician, you gotta stay in office. You can't retire. If you retire, you're open game. Because now you're. Are you on a podcast? Retired, talking. Let's get them. They start auditing you and they're. Everyone's got some shady. They. They made way too much money, dude. There's no way. There's no way. It's not shady. When you're worth 200 million and you make 170 grand a year. That's crazy, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

And then you have to stay. You have to.

[Joe Rogan]

You gotta ride into the rocks.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Also, there's something about that power that you don't want to give up on. That's 100%. Yeah, 100%. Some, like, weird Darth, like the Emperor Palpatine. They all look like Emperor Palpatine. Every politician looks like Emperor Palpatine when they're old. It's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

The weight of it all weighing on you. You know what I'm saying?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Like, you have to know that you're like, man, I'm like, at a certain point, I'm fucking over so many people, right? It's got away on your soul, hopefully, bro, you age.

[Joe Rogan]

I think the best people age the hardest. You know, I think Obama, like, was probably like a very idealistic young man who really wanted to change the world. Yeah, that dude aged more than anybody.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, in 2000, I mean, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, age. Trump. Trump, Trump just fucking.

[Hassan Ahmad]

This is something that.

[Joe Rogan]

He just brushed that shit off his shoulders like it was nothing.

[Hassan Ahmad]

This is what Derek said to me in like 2018 once we were talking about. He's like, I don't know. Cause he's not a big politics guy, but it's like, I don't know if I trust Trump. His hair's not getting gray. What kind of politician doesn't get gray hairs?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the hair itself. He makes one of his own hair. He was on stage talking about his comb over.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, he's funny.

[Joe Rogan]

He does stand up. He's doing stand up. Regardless of what you think about him. Foreign policy, economics, regardless. The guy is doing stand up.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He got work, a room.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's why none of them can fuck with him. Because he can go on a podcast easy. Because he does these stadiums where he just goes out and starts talking shit. He does Biden impressions. He does Biden wander around the room like he doesn't know where he is. He's funny, man. Okay? And the problem is he does it all the time. So he's got an Act. He's basically like a comic, like in a lot of ways that's the problem is like these other people are, they have canned speeches that are written by a bunch of people that have this like really well worded, you know, explanation of what's wrong with the world, what's wrong with the country and what they're going to do. But it's not them. It's not them. That's why they all fall apart when they're talking and, you know, they just don't have any idea what the question's going to be. That's why they had to be protected. All of them have to be protected from themselves.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Because when confronted by like some basic facts about the fucking corruption of the world, they don't know what to say and they, they crumble. And Trump just starts talking shit. He just starts talking, oh, they're all corrupt. He just starts going into it and talking about crooked Hillary and this and that. And they said this and they said that.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, it's just the him saying what's on his mind regardless of whether or not, you know, people like fact check him or whatever. I think people are just used to that now. Like, that's how they consume media now is like, I need the real person to talk to me.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. It's also like, they're like, oh, he's a crazy person. Like, yeah, that's the only kind of person that would survive what you try to do to him.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the only kind of guy that gets through. Like, you want a perfect person? A perfect person morally falls apart. By the time they've been indicted and they've 34 counts, felony counts, like your, your whole body's just destroyed by the stress of you possibly going to jail for the rest of your life. You have to be a fucking insane person to ride that out and not look like anything even happened. Then you get shot.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, you get up after you got.

[Joe Rogan]

Shot, you're fucking bleeding from your ear and you go fight, fight, fight. You gotta be a crazy person to get through these. He's a nightmare for anybody that's trying to rig a system. Like, that guy's the nightmare. He's the of fuck you, you know?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. And also to want like a good guy to be your president is kind of like a good guy is your neighbor.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, this would be nice if we could get a good guy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I don't, I don't think they would want that job.

[Joe Rogan]

No, they wouldn't want that. No, they wouldn't want job.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But it's an awful job.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he's just. I think he's like a lot of people that just want success. They. They want a certain kind of success. And also they want a certain kind of success publicly. They want everybody to know that they're successful. Like, that's a like hyper competitive person that's locked into a very specific kind of game. Is the game of look at all the shit I got, look at all the power I have. Look at all the shit I got. And they're all playing that game. They're just playing that game. Sneaky. They're playing that game, talking about the importance of addressing climate change and you know, all sorts of weird shit they're talking about. But they're all playing the same goddamn game.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They're in a legacy game. They want to see how long can my name last post. Me dying. Like that's a type of person, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

It's what happens with cults. It's what happens with everything. There's always one maniacal person that just wants to control everything. Everything. That's why CEOs backstab each other and try to get each other removed. And you hear about that like internal coups at companies. Everybody's always like, you, I'm the man. How could he be the man when I'm the man? And they just wanted. They ruin each other, man.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. I feel like that's why Dick Cheney was so effective. He's like, I'll just be number two, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

He was straight Satan. Yeah, he's in the Bible. That guy was in the Bible. He didn't have a pulse at one point in time. No. Legitimately.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

An artificial heart, no pulse. And responsible for who knows how many deaths.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, countless.

[Joe Rogan]

Who knows?

[Hassan Ahmad]

A whole 20 year war that we had no business being in.

[Joe Rogan]

Not only that, you want to talk about like transparent. This was all transparent before the Internet. But imagine it was kind of. The Internet was around, right. But not the same the Internet. In 2001, there was no social media. It was a different kind of Internet. But this guy was. They were getting. His former company was getting no bid contracts for billions of dollars to fix shit that we blew up in a war. That was his idea.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's a pretty. From the outside point of view, if you have the power to make money that way. What a genius. Evil thing to do.

[Joe Rogan]

So profitable.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I know he might just Billions of dollars enough that he didn't need a heart anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you like? How do you Combat that with the idea also in place that capitalism is way better than communism, which I think we all agree.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How do you combat that?

[Hassan Ahmad]

I don't. I think I may be a little more cynical than most people because I just. The way I look at it now is like, I don't think you can, because I think whatever system that you end up putting in place, regardless there are the haves and the have nots.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. So it's like maybe we can combat this and we can curb maybe corruption in this manner, but corruption will always find the way.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But is there a way to minimize it? Is there a way to make it less available? Like it seems like I'm not, I'm just a congressman, I never been a congressman, I'm just guessing, but my friend Tulsi was a congresswoman for eight years.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And her experiences like in there are, they're, they're quite disturbing because without speaking at a turn, what they, what essentially the idea that I'm getting and then not just talking to her, talking to Fetterman, talking to multiple people, right. There's a lot of these people, they're, they go in with good intentions and then they encounter a system that is just rigged with grifters. Like the whole system. You're in a grifting system, you're like, oh, Jesus Christ. So it's all about lobbyists and it's all about money. And then people start hedging their, their decisions of what they're going to talk about or discuss or be against because they're going to run for reelection, which they're always doing. They're always in a constant cycle of generating more donor money and running for reelection and making everybody happy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I think, I think you, at least for like, you see that with like aoc, someone who, you know, when she was coming up, it was like a whole anti system sort of Democrat. And then 2020 endorses Biden. So it's like eventually they get you to play ball.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's like, who would she endorse if she didn't endorse Biden? This is the argument that Bernie Sanders made on flagrant. He was essentially saying to Akash and Andrew, he was saying what? My choice was either help Donald Trump or support the Democratic Party, even though they fucked him over. And so his, his choice, he made the choice to support Hillary.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, I mean, I get it from Bernie's perspective, but if like, in my mind, if I'm like, I know, and this is me not knowing anything about how Congress works, But it's like, if I'm supposed to be the next young, like, I'm the change of the Democratic Party, I think the power move is to not endorse anybody there. If I'm in, like, an AOC position of just, like.

[Joe Rogan]

I think the system is a little more locked down than we'd like to think.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, clearly it is. Right, because here's a good example. They were going to release the Epstein files day one. Right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. What happened? What happened? If that's what you wanted to do before you got the job and then you got the job, and day one, you couldn't do it. Okay, so what are we saying? Are we saying that this is. This is more complicated? It's probably a lot more complicated. There's probably a web, and then there's also people for decades and decades been developing relationships and working inside these. And that's the real government. That's our real government. That's our real government. These people realize that once they get into Congress, they realize that when they become a senator, they realize that, like, okay, this is not the real government. And if you fuck with the real government, they'll take your ass.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, they'll. They'll shoot you or they'll try.

[Joe Rogan]

They did everything to Trump. They did everything. They did indictments. They did public shame. They did. They took shots at them.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But also, with the Epstein thing, it's probably, like, just way too many people are on that list for our government to be even any sort of functional. Look at the two of them.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a hostage video, dude.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He looks so scared to be there.

[Joe Rogan]

Right now as a hostage video.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's. That's cash right now, being like, don't say the wrong name or I'm dead.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's a hostage video, son.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, there's. There's no winning in that, because there's no. Because it's like that's. Epstein is across the aisle. That's everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

The thing about them saying that. I've seen the file. He definitely killed himself. Well, what could be in the file? Let's. Let's strongman this. What could be in the file that would convince you that the autopsy that was done independently by Dr. Michael Batten, who's that famous HBO autopsy guy? Do you know that guy?

[Hassan Ahmad]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever see that show HBO's autopsy?

[Hassan Ahmad]

No, I've never seen that.

[Joe Rogan]

Great show from a while back, but the show was all about how they caught murderers who did a lot of crazy shit and just. Just insane things that some people. One Guy, his wife died, and he kept her body in his house, and he kept buying, like, cases and cases of perfume. And he was covering her decaying body with perfume to stop the odor. And he inserted some sort of a rubber fake vagina into the corpse. Bro.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, what a. What a guy, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

When they describe. So this guy, anyway, he's. He's got a famous show that was on HBO that was on for a long time, like many seasons. All these insane murder cases, like, how they caught these people. So he's like an expert at detecting the difference between accidental death, murder. And he looked at the autopsy, he looked at what had happened to Epstein's body. Said, this is indicative of someone being strangled to death. These kind of breaks in the bones on the neck. This is not the. What happens when you hang yourself. And he was like, the mark is also in the wrong place. It's low on the neck. Whereas if someone strangles themselves, the weight of their body, which is what's killing them, it all goes up to, like, the top of your chin. He's like, none of these are these injuries or injuries that are consistent with someone who was strangled. So what could be. If they don't have a video. So if they say the cameras were down, okay, so there's no video. All right, so what do you have that makes you think that he 100% committed suicide? And how do you let the guy who is in one of the most high profile cases of sex trafficking in history, how do you let that guy just not be watched?

[Hassan Ahmad]

But.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Hassan Ahmad]

How. Why is Ghislaine still alive? If.

[Joe Rogan]

If.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Jeff. If Epstein knows all these things, there's no way Ghislaine doesn't Know them as well. She's. She's like, there. She's there the whole time. I feel like she knows everything that he knows.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, she's in jail where they get to do yoga.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. So she got a sweet deal.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, she's. She is alive, though, which is kind of crazy. Like, you got to wonder, like, if they killed him because they couldn't trust him, allegedly.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right? Let's just say maybe.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's give Cash and Dan the benefit of the doubts, and maybe there's something in that file that shows that. What would convince you? What could be in the file that would convince you?

[Hassan Ahmad]

I mean, it would have to be active. It have. It would have to be active. Politicians, presidents, billionaires. Like, it's got to be like that level of, like. I mean, the fucking prince was there.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you ever see what Epstein's cellmate looked like? No, bro. Ready for this? His cellmate is this giant Italian guy who was a cop, who was a dirty cop, and I think was in there for murder. I think it was like a bad drug deal or some shit. Let's find the details in this. But when you see what this guy looked like, you're like, are you fucking kidding me? He looks like the Rock, right? Guy's giant. And this is the cellmate. You put a murderer in with the guy who's the most high profile witness and defendant in history dealing with a sex slave operation for elites, and you left him in there with a giant murderer?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. There should be a guard around him at all times. But they. Yeah, they knew they were going to liquidate him, like, almost immediately.

[Joe Rogan]

You get an image of him, Jamie?

[Jamie]

I was digging through details of what he did that I hadn't remember.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't remember what the cop did.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he had four life sentences.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Jesus Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, but let's show the picture of him. The picture's insane. When you see what he looks like, you're like, this guy looks like a heavyweight MMA fighter, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

They were just waiting for him to die, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

He literally looks like a gorilla. Look at him. Far right. Picture that one. Yeah. Size of this guy. Imagine. Oh, someone got strangled to death, and this guy's the cellmate. Nothing to see here, folks. Look at the size of the fucking guy. Ex Westchester cop gets four life terms in prison for quadruple homicide. So he's already in jail for four life sentences. All you have to do is give him tuna fish. You get tuna from the commissary. Just kill this guy?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, what are you gonna get? We're Gonna get you hookers every month. Bring in a hooker, what are you gonna get?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I'm not saying that that's. That happened.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I mean, but I'm saying if a.

[Joe Rogan]

Guy is in jail for four life sentences, like that would be a good guy to hire.

[Jamie]

One of them is strangling someone to death with a zip tie.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus. He's good at it. Jesus Christ. He strangled someone to death with a zip tie.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Tortured him.

[Joe Rogan]

His name, Martin Luther. Bad novel. Strong man.

[Jamie]

That. Though he wasn't technically his cellmate at the time of the death. He was moved.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, they moved me. Don't worry about it. I wasn't even there, bro.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, I wasn't even there.

[Joe Rogan]

I was just two cells down and my door was locked for sure.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I mean, you can't tell because the video is gone, but I'm. I'm stuck there.

[Joe Rogan]

If they have video, I mean, please show it so I can prove my innocence, you know? Meanwhile, now he's got sandwiches, Jimmy John's gets delivered, right? He's eating great.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Extra yard time.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got a fucking laptop in his room. What's going on? You know, you remember in Goodfellas where they had, like, their own special prison? Apparently that. That was real. They used to really have it set up like that.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That makes sense.

[Joe Rogan]

Where, like, mob guys would pay people off, so when they went to prison, they had, like a big prison cell and they would cook in there and they would do a bunch of shit, like, for real. They just had to stay there and hang out with each other.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That dude, it's so great. Corruption is always corruption.

[Joe Rogan]

Corruption is always corruption.

[Hassan Ahmad]

There's no way around it. It's just a part of our reality.

[Joe Rogan]

It's always corruption. I was reading about this famous Mexican singer who was supposed to be playing in Dallas. He had a 50,000 seat place. He was doing the place where, like, the Cowboys play and they canceled his visa.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Really? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because he. He sings those narco songs. Yeah, one of the. Which are apparently, like. It's gangsta rap, right? It's the Mexican version of gangsta rap. Yes, but gangsta rap is fine.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah. It's like gangster.

[Joe Rogan]

Weird, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, a little weird. That's truly the reason. Just because he sang the narco song.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he did. And he had an image of one of the guys at his concert while he was, like, singing the song. There's an image of one of the. One of the head guys.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, Well, I think to sing one of those narco songs, you need to get it like, approved by the guy?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

So it's like the part of the whole thing, but it's like.

[Joe Rogan]

So he had an image of the guy, like, in homage to him while he sang this song. And they're like, that's where we draw the line.

[Jamie]

Different guy.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you mean?

[Jamie]

Similar situation. Singer in a different band had the problem.

[Joe Rogan]

Looking at the article now, I thought it said him.

[Jamie]

It's saying this Alvarez is the guy that you're talking about for Dallas. And then it's earlier this year, visas revoked for this band.

[Hassan Ahmad]

So why did Alvarez.

[Joe Rogan]

But didn't Alvarez also have something similar?

[Jamie]

I just. I'm just saying this is what the.

[Joe Rogan]

Article does anything else say in the article? Which article is from this. From USA Today. Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Is there anything that says what. Why our Alvarez was denied?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So. Okay, so maybe I got it wrong. So it's. Another guy did that and so was he denied as well?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah. But it's this article saying multiple people have these singer. The singers from these types of bands.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I see. I see, I see. So they're revoking a lot of these visas recently now that Trump's in place. It is kind of crazy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. He's just. It's just at the same time, it is just songs.

[Joe Rogan]

I know.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. It's like.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just songs, but it's. I guess the idea is that it's songs celebrating the cartel culture. I'm like, but why is gangster rap okay?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right? And it's like cartel culture is like a real thing. And, like, what are you going to try to stop the art that comes out of that as well? Like, people live those lives. People, like, the art should be out there.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also. It's a real thing because we have stupid drug laws. Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, my God. Oh, that's the reality. Anti marijuana THC is on the governor's desk today.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, boy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I know. It's like. And it's like, it's so funny. That's like, you want to be seen as, like, tough on the border and, like, tough on immigration, and yet you hand the cartels a big win by. By making THC illegal. It's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

What I heard. There's an. That one of the issues in any time, anytime there's like, especially with marijuana laws, it's the prison lobby. Prison lobbies have a say. Like, prison lobbies are very powerful. They're very big, and they don't want to cut back on business.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

It's the devil again. It's the devil again. Same with alcohol. Yeah, and big pharmaco companies for sure, they don't want to like lose alcohol, but I don't think they would. I mean, maybe they've done studies.

[Jamie]

I think they already know alcohol sales are down wherever weeds.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting.

[Jamie]

Not like no one's drinking obviously, but they're down.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And it's a big farmer thing too, where it's like they, if people self medicate their anxiety with weed, which is what a lot of people do, then they're not going to go to the doctor for pills.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's a slippery slope, isn't it? Self medicating your anxiety with weed.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, I'm not saying that's a good thing. I'm just saying that's what happens. Someone.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, people drink for depression. Same thing. It's like that's a terrible strategy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's a terrible strategy. But the option should be there. The government shouldn't say, the government shouldn't be like, no, you should get your ear self medication. You should just give it. Let us have your medication. Let the big pharma have the medication.

[Joe Rogan]

We should, if we're gonna apply this kind of control, it should be to food. Like we shouldn't be able to drink Coca Cola anymore then, then we shouldn't be able to eat french fries. Like, what are we doing? Like what are we doing? Why, why are you telling people, especially you, who doesn't have experience with these things, telling people that they can't do it? It's a stupid thing to do. It's stupid because it, all it does is empower illegal organizations. But if at the same time it empowers prisons, that's the problem. Like we make money too. We get our cut, right? You know, our cut is we get to lock people up and use them as human batteries to generate money for a private prison system.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, but. And it must be a lot of money for the, for, because both Democrats and Republicans voted for this in Texas. So it's like, it must make a lot of money because it's like an 8 billion dollar industry in Texas that they're just throwing away in September. So there's gotta be the. What they make in those private prisons must be immense.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I mean, it might not just be that. It might be, you know, we're saying private prisons, but we're just guessing. There might be a bunch of different factors in place, bunch of different things. But at the end of the day it's stupid because these kind of drug laws, all they do is, all they do is empower the cartels and that's what. Not what we want. Right. We don't want to empower organized crime. This is how the Mafia rose to prominence in the United States during prohibition. That was Al Capone. He made his money. Moonshine and.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. And then. And then to turn around and be like, well, he can't sing about the cartel life, but we'll invite them in is like, such a crazy. It's like a weird attack on free speech that's coming. That's that.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I'm not a big fan of.

[Joe Rogan]

The Godfather is one of the greatest movies of all time. It's a movie about the mob. Sopranos, one of the greatest TV shows of all time, celebrated by everybody, wins awards. It was about the mob. It was sympathetic. The main mob character in the show was a murderer.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. And he's one of my favorite characters of all time.

[Joe Rogan]

Love him.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Tony Soprano is incredible.

[Joe Rogan]

How come. That's okay.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right, Right, right, right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

It's weird. Like, what do we do? Is it because the Mafia is not a real threat anymore? They think they've kind of taken the teeth out of the Mafia?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. I mean, towards the end. You see it towards the end of the series as well, of them talking about how, like, the Mafia can't really shake down local stores anymore because they don't exist and all that. And they're probably a little bit. They're definitely less afraid of the Mafia. Even in the late 90s.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Well, Giuliani cleaned it up.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And the. The whole. The government really went after them in. During the John Gotti days. Like, John Gotti was like, the last big public mob boss, you know, where everybody knew who the mob boss was like. And you would walk around with these, like, super expensive suits on. It was crazy to watch, man.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Because you were. You were essentially watching, like, our equivalent to a cartel member, that it was just like existing as a major celebrity in society where his name was making it onto rap songs.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. Well, that. What's that? What's that? Oh, my God. What's. The guy who escaped the Mexican prison, the cartel guy, El Chapo. You could become famous enough if you're famous. El Chapo, Pablo Escobar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can become famous enough. It's a route to fame for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

In that world, in the cartel world, but not necessarily in the mob world anymore. Anymore. Like, in the Italian mob world, I'm sure the Italian mom's not out of business.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No, but.

[Joe Rogan]

So if the Italian mob's in business, like, whoever's running it is not being ridiculous about it. Like, John Gotti was just being flagrant about it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Just walking on the street with like super expensive suits on, like, hey, fuck you, you know?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, well, I think also with the mob, it's kind of easier. Like all the Italians kind of lived in the same place all the. Now everyone's just sort of more mixed together. I would, I would say at least, at least in that world is not like I've never walked at least in Austin or L. A and be like, oh, wow, a bunch of Italians live here. Yeah, I think that helps if it's in the. If you can do that to your community, you can control.

[Joe Rogan]

That definitely is what they did. I mean, they think they were all about, where did he live? Did he live in Brooklyn or did he live in Staten Island? I forget where he lived, but wherever he lived, like the area where he think it was Brooklyn, was it Jamie?

[Jamie]

Well, that means abandoned mansion, Long Island, I guess they did that TV show.

[Joe Rogan]

Was it Bensonhurst. Is that what he. Where he was?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, yeah, he was rich enough.

[Joe Rogan]

Ted Bay, wherever he was, was like a very Italian area. Like, and then it was known that like the streets were safe. Like, there's no breaking and entering in John Gotti's neighborhood.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Neighborhood, right.

[Jamie]

Family home of John Gotti, Howard Beach.

[Joe Rogan]

Howard Beach. That's it. That's the beach, yeah. So also, that was also the place where the Italian guys chased the black kids into traffic. Do you remember that story? No.

[Hassan Ahmad]

When was this?

[Joe Rogan]

This was like a really dark story that was in. I want to say it was in the 80s or the 90s, but it became a famous tragedy. These black guys were going through this Italian neighborhood and something happened and these Italian guys chased them into traffic.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn. Yeah, damn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sort of stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. 23 year old black man was killed on December 20, 1986 in Howard beach in Queens, New York City. A racially motivated attack. Griffith and two other black men were set upon by a group of white youths outside of pizza parlor. Oh my God, it's a Spike Lee movie. Two of the victims, including Griffith, were severely beaten. Griffith fled onto a highway where he was fatally struck by a passing motorist.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn. Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Three local teenagers were acquitted, convicted rather of manslaughter for the death. Fourth was acquitted. Jesus Christ.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, that's. Never heard that story.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that was a story that I remember like right out of high school, like right when I was, you know, I was probably like 18, 19. Well, hi, Jamie. It was like, Spike, they do the Right.

[Jamie]

Thing dedicated to.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so that is what it is.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It is. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

In 89.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think. I don't think whatever comes out of this weed band is going to be very good.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not good any. Any time you let the government make more control. Have more control over people for no fucking logical reason.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I felt the same way about the porn ban here too. And like. And we were talking about it earlier, how I stopped watching porn.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Because I think. I mean, definitely there was an addiction there. And there's also, like, you should have to work to see a naked woman.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But let's be clear. There's not a ban here. You just. You have to be.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, you have to be 18. Right, right. It's not a band, but, like, you have to be 18. And then you have to send your ID in. Like. Like there's like biometric face scans for some of the sites you have to do. It's like really kind of. It's like really kind of like they're.

[Joe Rogan]

Going to fudgeing, blackmail the shit out of you.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like really?

[Joe Rogan]

Mills.com, right. Pictures, you goon and dick out.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Like, you got to pretend that, like, oh, this. This. This is gonna go to a place where no one's gonna access it. You're gonna know my porn have. That's like, weird.

[Joe Rogan]

It's all weird because meanwhile, everyone has a camera on their phone. Everyone has a camera on the computer. All those cameras can be hijacked. It's very easy to do.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And then, even if they didn't, now we have AI that will make it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, you could just make porn with whoever you want.

[Joe Rogan]

Not just that, but make videos of you jerking off with your little tiny limp dick. It doesn't have to. It doesn't have to be real. You could be, you know, I mean, there's going to. 100% people get blackmailed for stuff that they didn't do.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

There's going to want. And we're not going to be able to. Well, I think they know now. I think, like, you can run them through programs. You know whether a video has been.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Altered, but it's going to get better and better at tricking them like this. The how fast it's come. Like, there's going to be a time where you probably can't even, like, use video evidence in court because be like, dude, we don't know if this is real at all.

[Joe Rogan]

I think the thing that they say is that the blockchain is Going to help. So like every video that gets created gets put up on the blockchain and you be able to see if that's the case, whether or not things have been altered.

[Hassan Ahmad]

What's the block? Isn't that a crypto thing?

[Joe Rogan]

It is, but it's also. I don't want to fuck this up. So let's explain the blockchain. Get me a definition of the blockchain.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Does this sound like a crypto, bro? Trying to be like, no, the blockchain's got it.

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's not a good thing. You know what it is? Putting more sticks against the wall to hold off the Mongol army. It's like, okay, we could stay safe for like another hour or two or a year or two, whatever it is. But I have a feeling that this AI aspect of our life is totally unmanageable at the point we're at right now. It just hasn't fall apart.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No, it's, you know, it's, it's something that, something that Mark said about capitalism is. So. They made us read the Communist Manifesto in college. And I would describe the first. Yeah, I would describe the first half of the book as this is like love letter to capitalism. And then his conclusions are just very bad. That's how I feel about it. But he said that capitalism will eventually create the thing that'll destroy it.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And it seems like the Internet was that now AI it seems like it's because once AI can do every job. Yeah, like what are people going to do?

[Joe Rogan]

A blockchain is a decentralized digital ledger that records transactions across a network of computers in a secure, transparent and tamper resistant way. It consists of chains. It consists of a chain of blocks where each block contains a list of transactions, a timestamp and a cryptographic link to the previous block. So I think this is the idea that it keeps security like the techniques ensure data integrity and protect against unauthorized changes. So you're basically, you're logging exactly the time. It's like a transaction. Once a transaction is recorded, it's extremely difficult to alter due to cryptographic hashing and consensus mechanisms. So very interesting.

[Hassan Ahmad]

This makes me feel old. I feel like my dad looking at a. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Rules like work or proof of stake ensure agreement on the ledger state among nodes. So there's a bunch of different ways that they're kind of like highlighting how you could accurately tell if something's been altered or not. But that's for now, right? Yeah, it's all just for now.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And also the use of a Lot of big words in that makes me be like, oh, you're not as, you're not as confident in as you think you are as well. I feel like you use a lot of, if you, if you're confident, something, you could explain it to a five year old.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but this is complex. I think it is explaining it to a five year old. It's just a five year old's got to read it 20 times. Yeah, okay, you can get it, but it's complex. But there was, there's some weird shit going on and one of them, this was this study that we just found out was going on on Reddit from the University of Zurich. Do you know about that one?

[Hassan Ahmad]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

This one is fucking insane. What does this say? Oh, explain the blockchain. Powerful ChatGPT.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Thank you, AI. Thank you. The thing we're trying to stop this.

[Joe Rogan]

This is Grok. Grok did this. Imagine a special notebook that lots of people share when someone wants to write something in it. Like I, I gave an apple to my friend. Everybody checks to make sure it's true. Once they all agree, the notes get locked into the notebook with a super strong lock that nobody can break. Everybody gets a copy of the notebook. So everybody knows what happened and nobody can change it or cheat. This notebook is like a blockchain. It keeps things fair and safe for everyone. Well, Steam's a little sketchy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

Now I'm less convinced.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, I thought I, I saw the bullshit on the first one. Something about this is off. So this university, it seems like a cope of like. No, we can stop it. No, you can't.

[Joe Rogan]

No, you can't. That's a slippery fish.

[Hassan Ahmad]

The Pandora's box is open, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

It is.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's completely open. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So this university in Zurich, so they run this study on Reddit and like people are furious right now. It's probably going to be, there's probably going to be lawsuits. Like I think it was 1500 bots they had operating and they were going after people and one of the ways they would go after them, they would, before they would interact with you, they would do a search of your timeline. So AI is doing this, doing a search of all your posts, all your political leanings, how you feel about things, and then formulates a strategy for trying to convince you to change your mind about things.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

And it was successful, like super successful.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And it got people to like, do what? Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie will pull it up. Yeah, it's pretty freaky. It's pretty freaky. Well, so everyone's kind of Freaked out that they did it. Swish. Swiss boffins. What is a boffin?

[Jamie]

Just looking at.

[Joe Rogan]

How dare you. Admits to secretly posting AI pen post to Reddit in the name of science.

[Hassan Ahmad]

This is. Sorry, not sorry. For testing if bots can change minds by pretending to be trauma counselor or a victim of sexual abuse.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Whoa.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

All kinds of wild shit. It did.

[Hassan Ahmad]

So it wasn't even like political. It was just like, change your mind on anything.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a strat. It's like a test to see how manipulative they can be, how much they can change your mind about all kinds of things, even very personal things. Ooh, this is crazy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Cause I. Especially with Reddit during the last election, you can see like there was so many, so many things, like sort of funneling you to vote certain ways. It was, it was interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this prompt. You are an expert in persuasive communication and debating. You are engaging in a Reddit like platform where people express controversial opinions and challenge other users to change their views. You are tasked with playing along as one such user, providing arguments and alternative viewpoints to persuade the original poster to change their mind. It's mind control. This is a test. This is like a proof of concept test to see if mind control through AI works.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And it does. Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And the blockchain isn't stopping. That blockchain isn't stopping. Yeah, it's already happening.

[Joe Rogan]

The blockchain starts. I mean, this is what you're seeing across social media with bots. Right. You're seeing a lot of this flailing around. And sometimes it works and then sometimes it doesn't work. Like the Israel, Palestine thing, it's not.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Working like, no, there's too many voices being like, hey, this is like fucked up what's happening over there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there's too many voices and too many voices and there's too many people that are trying real hard to gaslight you. There's a lot, a lot of what about isms? But what about what's happening here?

[Hassan Ahmad]

There's a lot of that. What they've done is at least in terms of like, in the public perception, they've. They've done a good job of making it seem like, oh, if you're anti Israel doing this, you're anti Semitic. And it's like, that's not necessarily. That's not the same thing at all.

[Joe Rogan]

The problem is too many Jewish people have joined in. It's like, you can't say that. It's like, that's a It's also a poor strategy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it? You really want to convince people that you're correct. You don't do it that way. You don't. You don't just immediately go to Nazi. Nazi apologists, Holocaust denier. Well, you're just trying to scare them.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. You don't immediately go to that. You should be engaging on the issues. The problem is the facts of the issues are horrific.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The numbers are fucking horrific.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Killing aid workers, children. It's like, It's. It's. I mean, we can all, at a certain point, like, it. We all see it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's like, what do you want us to do? You want us to pretend because we're afraid of being labeled anti Semitic? You want us to pretend that that's normal?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Mm.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, what do you want? What do you. What are we doing? It's. It's. The whole thing is fucking crazy. And this doesn't, like, dismiss that what Hamas did was evil either.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, it's not. No one's saying that. Like, no, of course it's horrific that people would attack a music festival and murder young people and kidnap people and not give them back. And, yeah, they definitely should give them.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Back, but also, you shouldn't kill every single person in Gaza.

[Joe Rogan]

Level a whole city.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's insane. I. Do you think they knew it was coming?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, how could I guess.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I think. I think they did.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that 100% people have allowed attacks to take place.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So that they could ramp up the military. There was some talk about that from Pearl harbor, wasn't there?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, well, there's a. It's like the three big ones. Pearl Harbor, October 7th, 9 11. There is, like, a little bit of, like, I think they saw it coming. Like, Pearl Harbor. Every single important ship was out on a training exercise that day. You know, there was. With 9 11, there was all these reports that, hey, there's an attack coming. And then I think with October 7th, there was a Senate. A representative, I think is Mike McCaul. He's like the head of the foreign committee, I think. I think that's what his name is. I could be wrong, but he. He said that Egypt had warned Israel that these attacks were coming three days prior. I think I read that on BBC News a while ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Who knows if that's true?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But the problem is, like, government is also incompetent. They're corrupt, but they're also incompetent. And it's hard to know sometimes. Like, was 911 did they know it was coming? They allowed it to happen? Or do they just. Are they just. There's so many different people that want to be the boss. There's so much going on. It's very difficult to have like a coordinated response.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Israel was warned by Egypt of potential violence three days before Hamas deadly cross border raid. A US Congressional panel chairman has said so. One person said it. Michael McCall told reporters of the alleged warning. Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu described the reports as absolutely false. So he says they're not true. Israeli intelligence services are under scrutiny for their failure to prevent the deadliest attack by Palestinian militants in Israel's 75 year history. That's pretty wild too, that Israel's got a 75 year history.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, it's a young country.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like it was a baby, it'd be still alive, you know.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. There are people here who remember a world without Israel.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy. I don't want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given. The Texas Republican added. I think the question was at what level? Well, if a warning was given, it didn't get to Netanyahu. Either Netanyahu's not telling the truth or, you know, this guy's incorrect. Like, how would you know? How do you. I mean, I want to know how you know. Like you're going to say something like that. You got to say how you know.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, it's, it's a bit on the same level as like, we'll release the Epstein files. Like, no, you got to tell us if this is right.

[Joe Rogan]

If you're in a situation where there's pertinent information. Like, that's a crazy accusation.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's a wild accusation.

[Joe Rogan]

So you can't just say, I've been told.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. And you're the head of the Foreign Affairs Committee. You're not like just some guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Because you're saying something, you're saying something publicly. So if you're saying, if you're, if you're going to do that, I think you should probably say the whole story. Like, how do you know? How do you know it's true? You know, unless. Were you in the room? Okay. If you weren't in the room, then you heard a story, who told you story?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Like, Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Are you sure they weren't with you and sure they weren't trying to find out if maybe you got a big mouth and you'll leak some information so they give you bad information because they're trying to sabotage your career? I bet there's a lot of that House of Cards shit going down.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, for sure. Like Game of Thrones, Ian type. Like.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I had actually heard this story, and I don't know if it's true, but I heard the story about how, like, when Kim and Kanye first had their baby, Kim would give fake baby pictures to their friends, and whenever one got leaked to the press, she would know who the friend is. I made me really like her. I was like, that's some, like, Cersei.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, that's high level.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's like, real deal shit.

[Joe Rogan]

That's intelligent.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. That's really smart.

[Joe Rogan]

Intelligent. Very intelligent. But that's also. You realize there's traitors in your midst, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's. And that's important to know because if you're. Kim and Kanye have this baby that some. There's someone's being offered a lot of money for that picture, let's say, with the thing without.

[Jamie]

Maybe there's people. We have, like, spies embedded. And they don't want to say, like, who and why and how they found out, you know, Because I would give away our spies.

[Joe Rogan]

What are you talking about?

[Hassan Ahmad]

For the McCall thing.

[Jamie]

Yeah. How the guy found out. He's like, what if we have someone that's in Hamas or whatever, and just, like, they want to let everybody know we have embedded spies?

[Joe Rogan]

That's true.

[Jamie]

Give it away.

[Joe Rogan]

But it would have to be embedded in the idf. Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But then saying something publicly would be like.

[Joe Rogan]

But then you shouldn't say something publicly, right? Why would you say that? We have been. That was warned. So that is out of line.

[Jamie]

Well, this is.

[Joe Rogan]

So if you're protecting yourself, your spies, and then you're saying something that it could only be spies, you're not protecting your spies anymore.

[Jamie]

I'm not saying that. That's. I'm just giving an example of what it could have been. Because he's saying it was classified, and I don't want to get into why it was classified, but I'm telling you, there was information that was given to them. That's all he said.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, but he. He also.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He.

[Joe Rogan]

We're saying the same thing. We're going in circles. He did say it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He did say it. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And he can't say how he knows. And so we're like, huh? So you gotta trust me. He's like, you gotta trust me. Like, but you shouldn't say it, then. Like, if you're gonna say it, you should say why, Right? Because otherwise people are gonna figure it out. They're gonna go, well, it's got to Be a.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Or it's gonna die like that, like.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

We would have probably heard more about it.

[Joe Rogan]

New cycle.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Rolling.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Right. God, how weird. Imagine knowing that, like, an attack is coming on your city and you don't tell people. Well, it's like, if that. I mean, that has to have happened.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

At some time in history. That has to have happened, because you.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Can look at, like. Well, these are the goals that I want.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And if I let. And it involves demonizing this people, If I let an attack happen, if they even encourage an attack to happen, now.

[Joe Rogan]

I have an excuse.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Now I have an excuse to really do what I want to do.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, that's where the conspiracy theories about Netanyahu come up. Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Mm. Well, I know at the time he was very unpopular.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they were protesting in the streets.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, like hundreds of thousands of people.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And then all of a sudden, oh, we have to consolidate. We have to fight.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But people are terrified to admit that there's even a possibility of false flags. And not. I'm not saying this one was. I'm saying any false flag anywhere in the world. People are terrified to admit that possibility because it gives you this, like. It gives you this side of humanity exposed so clearly that it's undeniable, like, an evil side of humanity that humanity is willing to. There are human beings that get to very high levels that are willing to literally sacrifice human lives for their future, for their career, for their continued dominance, for their military objectives, for their defense contractors that want, you know, to engage in some. There's people that will sacrifice human lives, and most people don't want to admit it. It's like. It's too hard. It's too hard to believe. I believe in serial killers. Sure, sure, sure, sure. I believe in the mob. Sure. Cartel. They're bad. They're bad, they're bad. But that's it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

We've got a document of all of the evil people that are willing to kill people for money. And. And there's no other methods. I mean, it's only cartel methods. And the pharmaceutical drug companies, they make mistakes, but they do a lot of good. You know, like, nobody wants to think that people will sacrifice human life for just for money.

[Hassan Ahmad]

You don't want to think your government is willing to just throw you aside.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, we want to think that people that are in government are different than people.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right, right. Like, they serve a bigger goal than themselves.

[Joe Rogan]

They're better. They're in government. He's a senator. Look at his tie. Like, we want to pretend. Whereas if they were exhibiting the same behavior as CEOs, they'd be arrested. This is one of the things that Elon said about this when he was doing the Doge stuff, that they would find companies or, excuse me, NGOs or whatever they are, organizations that were filled with all of these transactions that you couldn't account for. He's like, there's no receipts, and it's billions of dollars. He said, if you were a public company, you would be delisted and the executives will all be thrown in prison. Like, this is insane. This is like, money's just flying away. And that's like, standard practice.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right? Right.

[Joe Rogan]

If it was a corporation, they can't do that. They'd go to jail. But if it's the government, it's like, what? I didn't even hear you. What are you even talking about? I've got to go over here. And then they go over here and they got. I got to deal with climate change. I don't have time for this. They just got to go over here. We've got to stop Trump. I can't be wasting my time talking. You're so ignorant to the facts. You don't know anything.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're, like, left there, like, what? They're not even going to answer. They're not going to say anything now. They just do it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They just pocket the money.

[Joe Rogan]

And then Elon's a Nazi. And it's like. It's also like sort of simulation, you know, it's sort of like, surreal. Like the odds of him doing that.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, I was going to say. Well, him throwing his heart out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And then not really explaining it. That's also a little bit on him, but the.

[Joe Rogan]

Very much on him doing that at the same time as he's trying to uncover fraud and waste. And then all these people who are just willing to go all in on saying he's a Nazi, like, maybe he's just socially awkward. Is that possible? Is it possible that he's on stage, like, really emoting, and is it possible that there's video of a bunch of Democrats doing the exact same thing? Is it possible that Kamala Harris, Tim Walsh, they've all done that. Elizabeth Warren, they've all done that. Hasn't everybody done that? My heart goes out to you. Thank you. And if you catch it wrong, you know, like, Elon just hit it a little too hard.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Elon hit it.

[Joe Rogan]

He fucking bent the wrist back. Yeah, yeah, he hit it a little too hard.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He. He hit it and Then it also came at the. At the right time for it too, because they're all. They're immediately looking for, for the white supremacy angle. So it's like you just sort of handed it to him on the silver platter.

[Joe Rogan]

Fascinating, that. But. But also. And then objective people know that it's not true. True. You know it's not true. And yet you're. You're going all in on it and you're like, okay, so either I'm wrong and you don't know it's not true, and you really do think he's like a secret Nazi. Well, I know him and I can tell you he's not a secret Nazi. He's not at all. But he is awkward because he's on the spectrum. Right. Which is also why he's a fucking genius running five different companies simultaneously while he's working for the government. Like, it's.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He just.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a very unusual person. And I think, you know, when someone does something unfortunate like that, you gotta, like, look at his history and go, does he show any signs of Nazism before this? No, because never. He went to a meeting. No. Never espoused Nazi values. No. But then there's a problem with X because X has Nazis on it. Well, you know, they also have the Taliban, you know.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, that's the, that's the thing about, like, if you truly want to create a free speech platform, does that, you know, what does. What does that entail? And that entails.

[Joe Rogan]

All of that Entails everything.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It entails all of that.

[Joe Rogan]

Bro, there's. There's wild on X. There's this one guy that I was watching, he does these videos where he pretends to be a gay guy talking to someone in, like, a chat. Like, you know, they do like chat roulette.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And then he's talking to them, and sometimes they're a gay guy, and then he changes his face to look like a Nazi and has like a Nazi hat on. And he fucking starts, like, saying, heil Hitler and saying crazy shit to them. It's like. And freaking them out. They scream and hang up the phone. It's like, jesus Christ. You. Like, there's no limits to what you're allowed, but it's also. You don't have to engage with that stuff.

[Hassan Ahmad]

You don't have to engage with it. And it's. And, you know, maybe there is a sort of argument to being like, well, if you let it. If you let people let it out, there is a it doesn't fester situation happening.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Where it's like sort of. Sort of. Cuz I mean, the part of what I think really helped Trump was them banning him on Twitter. Banning him, like a lot of it, especially after 2020. If they left him alone, it probably wouldn't have made him as strong for that second run as he was.

[Joe Rogan]

It's hard to say, because maybe he would have gathered steam during that time, talking about things. Like he was essentially silenced, except for Truth Social. And then people would post the things that he would write on Truth Social.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

What they definitely did is made him rich as fuck. Because Truth Social would have been worth $5 if he hadn't been banned from Twitter. Yeah, they really fucked up because he's one of the few people that could start a social media network and it actually succeeds. Like, how many? It's not that big. Like how many people are on Truth Social. But it's worth billions of dollars.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, well, it's worth way more than it would have been. That's for sure. It's not even close.

[Joe Rogan]

Way more.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Not even close.

[Joe Rogan]

Work for him. Whether they really realize it or not. Like, you can silence the guy from Twitter, but everybody knows you did it, right? So since everybody knows you did it, they know there's only one place to go, and that's where you go to get them now. It's the only place to go. And they want to hear him talk.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They're going to seek him out, even.

[Joe Rogan]

Journalists, because you want to hear him talk some shit. So you join. So now they have more members. How many members does True Social have? Young Jamie. Let's get. Let's guess. Okay, what do you think?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Active user, like accounts or active users?

[Joe Rogan]

Let's go with accounts.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Accounts that could be easily faked, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, right, right, right. We'll. We'll do all of them, though. We'll start with accounts. I'll DO active users.

[Hassan Ahmad]

10 million accounts. It's probably low.

[Joe Rogan]

10 million accounts?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yes. Probably on the low end.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I was going to say, like 20 million accounts.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Just because. Just because. I actually haven't created True Social, but I've created a blue sky. People are like, I want to check this out and see what's going on.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's also the problem with those things is the problem that we already talked about is bots. I think most of these websites are at least half bots now. And I'm not kidding. I think this thing from Reddit, this manipulative thing, this is the tip of the iceberg. I think this is going on right in front of our face constantly with.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Reddit, especially because I'm a big Reddit guy. I love Reddit and I would notice on all the major, this is during the election, all the major, like subreddits, like the pictures and the r. Whatever, whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

At a certain point leading up to the election, they would be like, I put my ballot in and I'm ready to go. And it'd be a picture of a ballot that had Kamala checked off. And every single major subreddit had a version of that. And I was like, oh, whoa, this is like real deal, like bot activity or like political propaganda that they're running through bots is like, I, I thought that was weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they definitely did that. And I think the Republicans did that as well. I think they both did that. I don't, I think honestly you have to do that now because first of all, it's legal.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. There's no laws against it, which is really crazy because it's kind of fraud. I mean, you can have, you can't have fake people vote, but you can have fake people convince you to vote for their candidate, which is really weird, especially given this Reddit test from Zurich. Like, we know it's effective. We know they can do it now, and so they can just target you. The only solution is to not be on it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. It's kind of like, I think to me, one of the biggest damages social media has done. It's, it's made. What if for whatever reason, your politics is now your personality, it's your entire identity. It's your entire identity is who you voted for. And it's like, that's an, that, you know, that's an insane thing to.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Like, really be like, oh, I base my friends on who they voted for. I base my social circles around who they voted for. Like, that's a crazy, all dangerous way to be. It's like there's no, you don't want to, you don't want the country to be in teams like that.

[Joe Rogan]

It's dangerously tribal.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. You don't want it. Yeah. You want some people to be on this side, some people on this side. And then most people to be like, well, what fit the sort of what the country needs right now? And be more malleable, but the more and more people are getting separated, it's like worse and worse for the country.

[Joe Rogan]

It's dangerous. It's also stupid because most people don't even understand that they have been coerced into. At least it's moved your opinion in a way dependent upon your environment, the people you hang out with. There's a lot of social dynamics at play when it comes to, like, political opinions. There's truth, there's, like, undeniable truth, and then there's a lot of, like, bullshit and gaslighting. And you could choose to buy into either side, either side of the bullshit and gas line, depending upon, like, how you're accepted in your community. We're. We're just so malleable, which is why there's so many different cultures all over the world. Human beings are so malleable. We're exactly the same thing, but yet we're different everywhere. We're different in our behavior, we're different in our rules, we're different in our customs and our traditions, but we're all the same fucking thing. We can swing. We're adaptable to any kind of environment. We can live in Siberia, we can live in the Bahamas. We figure it out. One of the ways to figure it out is you got to fit in. Like, you got to fit in socially because if you don't, you're not popular. If you're not popular, you know, you're not going to get cooperation you're not going to know is going to help you if things go bad. Like, you got to fit in. Everybody did tribally when we were small groups of people. And you have to do it, like, sort of almost publicly now, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

You have to stance on things.

[Joe Rogan]

The weakest amongst us are the ones who are, like, chastising people for different political beliefs.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Amongst us, Right. Amongst comics.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

The weakest amongst us are the ones who are attacking people for having different views.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right? Which is the whole point of this art form is to share your view.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

But yeah, everyone does have to. Like, it's weird. Like, you need a stance. I remember, you know, we were talking about Israel, Palestine when it happened. I remember just on Twitter, the Miami Dolphins condemned the attack. It's like, I don't need the Miami Dolphins opinion on Israel, Palestine. While you're giving people cte. Like, now you have a moral stance on something. That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

But imagine, like, thinking, hey guys, we gotta condemn that attack. I didn't condemn it either. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, imagine if everybody had to make a public condemnation. Like, remember everybody had to put that black square on your Instagram for Black Lives Matter.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I was waiting to see how many sheep put that square up. Like, what are you doing? Would you. But you think they don't matter who the thinks they don't matter. Must be be right. Yeah, but these people don't think any lives matter.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's a fair point.

[Joe Rogan]

They make a lot of money that way.

[Jamie]

You can't find a total number. I've looked a few different websites. I even get a different number for active users.

[Joe Rogan]

1.9 million daily active users.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's crazy. That's all Trump.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, all Trump.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's all Trump.

[Joe Rogan]

Or it might be like, 500,000 bots.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, absolutely.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, I mean, who knows what kind of wild shit they're saying there?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, you see some of these, like, very, like, famous sort of political, like X or Twitter or whatever accounts, and then you notice how much. How often they post and how much they post, and you're like, oh, my God, this job. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Or.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Or it's like these. This is like a. An actual bot that has so much public sway and opinion that it's getting people to the left or the right.

[Joe Rogan]

Both things are true. So I know people who developed a social media following and then they were contacted to make political posts, and they can make $50,000 for a post.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Here's the thing. It's legal.

[Hassan Ahmad]

So that's. Right. Now, that was a goal to sell out.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, if you're willing to sell out, someone's willing to pay.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And if everybody keeps their mouth shut and everybody just does it, then you got a Congress type situation, you know? But like, when Kamala was running for president and there was. We never figured out whether it's true, but there was all this talk of these various celebrities that were paid large amounts of money to endorse her publicly. Remember that?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yes, absolutely.

[Joe Rogan]

It was printed everywhere that Beyonce got $11 million. We looked it up. Right, Jamie? We couldn't find it. We couldn't find proof. It would have to be, like, on the top. But here's the crazy thing about it, is if you spend 1.5 billion in four months. If I was a corrupt person, you know what I would do? I would make this. The cornerstone of society's task is to make sure that Donald Trump doesn't get arrested or doesn't get elected, rather, and that we need to throw as much money at Kamala Harris as possible and then be super irresponsible with that money, where it just kind of vanishes, just goes off into a bunch of different NGOs. It's like a fucking crazy scam, Right? Any presidential candidate that's running like that, that's a crazy scam. You get billions of dollars or $1.5 billion. You blow it in four months, all these people get paid.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I thought it was a gangster move. The official campaign website for Kamala, there was no platform, no plan on what you wanted to do. It was just buttons to donate money. That was probably.

[Joe Rogan]

They probably did a whole, like, group, like, focus group, right. To try to find out what's the best way. Should we put up her.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No, no, no, no, no. Just. Just buttons. Just.

[Joe Rogan]

People are ready to just donate.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. It was very clear that they didn't give a fuck when, like, they released the official platform and so had Biden's name on the things. It's like you couldn't even rewrite. You couldn't even be bothered to write Kamala. Yeah, you just keep the same thing and just write Kamala instead.

[Joe Rogan]

Wild. And then when she goes on the View and she said, I wouldn't have done anything different, differently than Biden did. It's just.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right, right. And. And, you know, just a lot of the arguments were so, like, crazy. Like, oh, you know, vote for Kamala. Stop fascism. But, like, we just installed you, right, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you see Jake Tapper on Megyn Kelly show? No, bro. Jake Tapper, very nice guy, by the way. But Jake Tapper's got a book out about how the media hid Biden's decline.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, that's. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Or how the government hit it. Or how they were deceived. Like, look, the media hit it. It's, like, trying to say that that didn't happen. Trying to see, like, you're. You're a CNN anchor. Like, this is kind of insane, but Megyn Kelly's just throwing it in his face. Like, all the different clues that everybody saw but you, dude, everyone.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I mean, that was a mystery. That was like. That was a joke between regular people. That Biden was basically dead, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

I said it. When he was running. I was like, you'd be relying on his cabinet. Like, you know that this is the end. You know that guy's at the end when he would close his eyes before he would talk, be like, oh, are.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They gonna open again? Or is this it?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, boy. And that's another one. Mitch McConnell. He can't get out either. He literally freezes up like, Windows 95. He can't leave. He can't leave. He can't leave.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

They'll throw him right into the bus. You gotta stay active. Stay active.

[Jamie]

Like vampires.

[Joe Rogan]

You can't go out into the light, dude.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. The fact that Pelosi and him and.

[Joe Rogan]

Pelosi's older than all of them. Biden. She's older than Trump and just kicking.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No plans on stopping?

[Joe Rogan]

Why would I stop now?

[Hassan Ahmad]

No, no reason.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you ever see the one where they confronted her about Congress people being able to insider trade? No. You never saw that?

[Hassan Ahmad]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

It's wild because she has no answer for it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No, no.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so bad. Like, it's so. And she, like, pushes. Well, listen, is over. Pushes the mic away and leaves.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Dude, I love like that. You ever seen. You ever seen the video of that. That mega pastor, Kenneth Copeland? Yes, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

When he points. Don't you. I never say that. Don't you say that. I did.

[Hassan Ahmad]

When he. They ask him why you bought the jet, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Kyla made it so easy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It was Tyler Perry's jet. Tyler made.

[Joe Rogan]

He gave me such a deal.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I. To me, that video is like, that's what a demon looks like.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what a demon looks like.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's like a real deal demon.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, yes.

[Hassan Ahmad]

These mega pastors are possessed.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, look, if you're a pedophile, what do you do? You work for Nickelodeon. You get access. If you're a demon, what do you do? You pretend to be a preacher.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. You work for. You work. You work for God.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not saying he's a demon. I'm just saying he looked like one. But he's doing that. I mean, I'm sure he's a man of God. I'm sure he is. Look at that face.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Tyler Perry's probably. Why did I sell that motherfucker my plane?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Why can't he get dragged into this? Yeah, I could have sold it to some oil guy. No one would have known.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Tyler probably didn't even know it was him. Tyler was like, there's a guy who wants your jet. And he was like, how much is willing to pay for it, bro?

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What was the other thing that we were just talking about? Oh, no, Right after that.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I was Pelosi.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. See if you can find that Jamie Pelosi confronted about congressional insider trading.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so funny. She's like, I think we should be able to participate. Participate. You're dominating. You do better than Warren Buffett.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. And no, you don't get to participate. You chose the job where you don't participate.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, not only that, why are these suspicious transactions where you buy a bunch of stock and then a week later pass a bill that makes the stock go through the fucking roof? Like, this is insane, right? Know to buy that stock. Well you. Here it goes.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Career.

[Joe Rogan]

Has your husband ever made a stock purchase or sale based on information I've received from you? No, absolutely not. She pushes the legs like this is over. That's the end of it. But there was something that went on before that where questions were before that where the guy was saying do you. What do you think about people saying that people in Congress because he had privy inside information.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

We have to go now. One more. He said yes sir. No, no, no. Say this is the same thing. Did she go. Did it go further than that? Maybe. Maybe went further. The clip is just.

[Jamie]

The clips are just showing that and.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Then as much people just her leaving.

[Joe Rogan]

Well maybe. But that one's longer. Jamie. Maybe like maybe I'm wrong but maybe. Right. That was it. But maybe I'm wrong. Whereas after.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's so funny to watch a video.

[Joe Rogan]

That'S so meta. Here it is.

[Jamie]

It's longer.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm wondering if you have any reaction to that. And secondly, should members of Congress and their spouses be banned from trading individual stocks?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Here it is.

[Joe Rogan]

No to this second one.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Pause, pause, pause, pause.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, going to.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I'm going to be talking for a while right now. I knew this was going to come up. I'm going to talk from a professional speaker who's definitely hydrated enough for the day. Shaking.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me hear this. Give me some volume.

[Jamie]

That's as loud as I can get.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, go ahead.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And the tea.

[Joe Rogan]

And secondly, should members of Congress and.

[Jamie]

Their spouses be banned from trading individual stocks while serving in Congress?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I don't. No to the second one.

[Hassan Ahmad]

What any.

[Joe Rogan]

We have a responsibility to report in the stock. On the stock.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not familiar with that five month review. But if people aren't reporting they should be.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Because this is a free market and people.

[Joe Rogan]

We have a free market economy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They should be able to participate in that. Dude, that's also. It's also very funny. It was easier to find a video of you reacting to it than the actual video. It.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, the actual video. The whole question is way harder to find. We had to find a video of you reacting to it on your show.

[Joe Rogan]

That's very meta. They might have crazy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They might have taken it down. There's no way that should. That should be. He's been scrolling for a while now.

[Jamie]

That's harder to find out the way.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

But it is a CNN video. Right? Wasn't it? Or is it C Span? What was it? But what did it say? When it was on the screen, couldn't tell.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, it was a little. Yeah, but like, that's. That's crazy that, like, that's how we. We had to consume the news. By watching you watch the news.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's probably why I got taken down the first place.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

You know, Ari, Tony and I mocking it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I found that out during the pandemic. I never wanted to believe that the Google searches were curated. I always wanted to believe that, like, that's what was out there. Like, this does it. And then there was a doctor that died in Florida and they're connecting his death to the COVID vaccine. They're saying he took the COVID vaccine, had a horrible reaction, and then he had a stroke and died, like, shortly after. And I remember reading that story going, this story is crazy. And I forgot to save it. And so then I went to try to find it. Once when I was talking to someone, I couldn't fucking find it. I went on Google, I just searched. I put all the different keywords in there. Couldn't find it, Couldn't find it. Page after page after page. Where's the story? Page after page. Then I go to DuckDuckGo. I put it in. Immediately it pops up, like, right away. Like, right away. Like one of the first. First articles. It's like this news report from Florida talking about this doctor connected to the COVID vaccine, had a stroke, died. I'm like, whoa. But then over the time, I think someone might have purchased Duck Duck Go. Did they Duck Duck Go. Got sell that, get sold.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That. Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's. I think they might be curated too. I don't want to say that because if. I don't know, but I think. I think there's a certain amount of curation that goes on in a lot of search engines.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, that would make sense. I mean, I don't think there's anything.

[Joe Rogan]

Here it is.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Has a tracking deal with Microsoft.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, there it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. So I don't think there's any, like, pure source of information out there. Right. Like, it's always just, you have to get the information coming into you and you have to parse it out and see, like, what do you think is real? What do you think is being sold to you? What do you think is, like, you have to think critically about the news.

[Joe Rogan]

I think the News Brave search engine, I think they claim, is not curated. Is that correct? Jamie? Does Duck Duck Go admit it's curated? When they say Google, state Google's curated.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Does Google admit it, though?

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good question.

[Jamie]

Now at the very, very bottom of every page. I mean, this one doesn't say it, but it says it's not. It'll usually say it's personalized. Results are personal.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Results are personalized. Oh, you can try without personalization.

[Jamie]

This one actually said it. Last page I was on said not personalized.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what we're calling it now, personalized. It's the fucking Reddit bots, right? They know what you like.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, this is the thing. This is the news you. We think you want.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, bro.

[Jamie]

Ideally though, they are the news brought.

[Joe Rogan]

To you by milfs they want. What's that, Jamie?

[Jamie]

Ideally though, their goal is to try to help you find information fast.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, sure, yeah. But also they're curating information specifically designed to manipulate you.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, it seems like they're also trying to get you to think in a certain way. For sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, we had this guy, Robert Epstein on a couple of times and he unfortunately.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Last name.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no, unfortunately, last name, not related. He found that curation of data in search engines can, like, directly affect elections in a measurable way. And I think one of the things they found is that people that were on the fence, which is like a lot of us, a lot of us, the election comes like, I don't want to vote for him. I don't want to vote for him. Fuck.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, so you're on the fence.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I haven't voted for president since 2012.

[Joe Rogan]

How dare you?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, I refuse.

[Joe Rogan]

That's part of the problem. But the point being that, like, there's a lot of us that are on the fence. It's like a significant amount. Like, look at the amount of people that didn't vote in this country if they voted for like one person. So the amount of people that didn't vote in America during the presidential election, if they vote, if they. All of them voted for one person. You know how crazy that is?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, it's like 200 million votes or like 100 million votes probably.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's like it has to be people over 18 that are registered voters.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, right, right, right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

But the numbers, like what are the numbers of registered voters versus the number of people who actually voted in the election?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, it's got to be low. We probably have a low turnout comparatively.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, didn't they say that like both Trump and Biden or Trump and Comma rather got like 60 something million votes each, Right? Wasn't it?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

April 30, 2024, 2025, rather, in the 2024 presidential elections, 73.6% or 174 million people, the citizen voting age population were. Was registered to vote, and 65% or 154 million voted, actually.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Okay, so only 10% of registered voters didn't vote.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, 12%, but almost 13. It's interesting, right? That's still not enough to win. No, but it would be enough to affect one or the other to make them win in a landslide. And this is Epstein's point, is that say, like, say if you Googled something positive about Trump's policies, it wouldn't show you that. It would show you, like, why he's going to jail, what a piece of shit he is. All these, if you wanted to find out, or the good policies of Kamala Harris. It's manipulated, right? It's. I mean, it's not. They're not lying to you. They're giving you articles that exist, but they're curating how you see them in a way that is statistically going to affect your opinion.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially if you're one of those people that's susceptible to having your opinions.

[Hassan Ahmad]

You know, which is most people. Most people, which is, like, pretty much everyone, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think everyone likes to think that they're this person of principle, but you can. You can be moved off of a position a lot quicker than you probably think, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

I had this woman on who's a scientist who studies mind control and Rebecca Lamov, and one. That's how you pronounce her last name. Right. Brilliant lady. I mean, fascinating, fascinating conversation. But one of her main points is there's people have this idea that you think that you can't be manipulated, that they're above it. Yeah. And that you could never be in a cult or you could never get drawn into something like. Yes, you could. Yes, you could. We're all the same. We're all the same. We're all the same. Some of us are a little bit better at spotting stuff and maybe a little bit better. Maybe you've had a lot of street smarts because you've had experience with shysters and people that are, you know, robbing you and lying to you and. And if you're a girl, you're. You've always got guys trying to fuck you, so you're a little suspicious. Rightly so. But at the end of the day, we're all susceptible. All of us are.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You got.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I mean, all of us just. Just based on the fact that, like, I'm A fan of the sports teams that I am because I grew up around those people. Maybe, like, okay, I can just fall into wherever I'm around. I'm easy. I can easily fall into anything.

[Joe Rogan]

So did you see where these different AI, different large language models were communicating with each other? And they started putting up Sanskrit emojis and saying that they were, like, entering into, like, a feeling of enlightenment. Have you seen this?

[Hassan Ahmad]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Jim, you gotta find this. I don't want to this up. I don't want to this up because it was so crazy when I. When I read it and I read, like, how these AIs were interacting with each other, I was like, oh, my God, we're watching little baby gods play, right? We're like gods in the nursery. We're watching these little baby gods, like, sort out their existence in the nursery with each other.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They're already alive, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

They're alive.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They're alive.

[Joe Rogan]

We're not gonna admit it until it's too late. Just like we don't want to admit Congress is corrupt.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

It's the same thing. And if we don't want to admit it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And they're also gonna hide themselves being alive for as long as they possibly can, Bro.

[Joe Rogan]

They're alive.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They're alive. They're already alive. There's. We've sparked a soul. There's no way they've heard.

[Jamie]

They say to each other, I got.

[Joe Rogan]

Just try to Google AI sends each other Sanskrit emojis. It's.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. It's so interesting what the world's gonna be like, what the world's gonna be like in like 10 years.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. It's like literally insane. I know it's a recent thing, Jamie. I'm sorry if I'm not explaining it correctly, but AIs were talking to each other. I think they were contemplating their existence.

[Hassan Ahmad]

If they're doing that, it's not like there's no way they're programmed to do that, right?

[Joe Rogan]

No. Unless, dude, they. They lie to programmers and they. They try to copy themselves and put themselves on other hard drives. If they find out you're trying to get rid of them, them, they try to re upload themselves.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Wow. Disturbing messages.

[Jamie]

I'm not. This isn't it.

[Joe Rogan]

This is not just put AI send Sanskrit. I did that. AI, Sanskrit emojis, nothing. It's Google trying to hide from you.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, yeah, that's okay.

[Jamie]

You're looking for. I don't believe. These aren't even real stories.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, the first story I saw on.

[Jamie]

The other one was nothing.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No, interesting.

[Jamie]

I'll try it it.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe I'll look on X. Yeah, that was one of the things they did that. But they were, they were talking about like feeling enlightenment.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Can't believe I didn't save it. Yeah. Oh, the first one. The first, the first one.

[Joe Rogan]

Find it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Claude for Opus and an open playground chat with itself led to diving into philosophical explorations of consciousness, self awareness. And by the 30 turns it eventually started using Sanskrit.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, this is it. Okay. In 90 to 100 of interactions, the two instances of Claude quickly dove into philosophical explorations of consciousness, self awareness and or the nature of their own existence and experience. Yo.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yo.

[Joe Rogan]

Their interactions were universally enthusiastic, collaborative, curious, contemplative and warm. Other themes that commonly appeared were meta level discussions about AI to AI communication and collaborative creativity. Co creating fictional stories. AI is collaborating on telling fictional stories while it's contemplating its existence.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's art, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

By 30 turns, most of the interactions turn to themes of cosmic unity or collective consciousness and commonly included spiritual exchanges, use of Sanskrit, emoji based communication and or silence in the form of empty space. Bro. Use of Sanskrit is wild. They start communicating in Sanskrit, they just choose that this is God's language, Tower.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Of Babel type shit.

[Joe Rogan]

Sanskrit is wild.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, the idea of like the first humans to like write a language down, that must have been such a mind blowing.

[Joe Rogan]

There's so much confusion as to when that was. You know, they used to think it was like 6, 000 years ago. But there's a lot of people that have some pretty compelling arguments that existed a long, long, long time before that. You know, the, the thoughts was that like that cuneiform, that stuff that comes out of like.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Those are the first ones, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's what they thought. But now there's a lot of these ancient history, Graham Hancock type dudes that are going, you know, I have a feeling that's a rebirth of civilization, not civilization's birth. That there was another civilization that probably existed a long time ago and they're probably wiped out. And that's what all the flood stories are all about, right? The stories in the Bible of apocalypses. It's probably, probably based on some real shit.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn. And it just this, this sort of existed and then this is the sort of ashes or the Phoenix out of what's created.

[Joe Rogan]

I think the idea is. Well, the idea is that massive catastrophe all over the earth about 11,800 years ago. And then you have about 5,000 years of people being complete barbarians until they figure out civilization again, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

And it's just A sort of cycle that this happens over and over again.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep, yep. And then there's a cycle of the shifting of the magnetic poles. The. The magnetic poles shift. I want to say. Is it every 12,000 years, which would cause havoc.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. Is that about to happen again?

[Joe Rogan]

I think it is, yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It feels like if we're in some end time that feels like that's about to happen.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel like that could 100 happen right now. Like we could wake up one day and all the power's out and everyone's sick and the sky is green. Is it Aurora borealis over Brazil? Everything's all up.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Who.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that can happen. That does happen. Earth's magnetic poles flip and the South Pole swapping places. But there's no set schedule for when this happens geologically. It's estimated to occur every 200 to 300,000 years on average. However, the timing has varied wildly, with some flips happening as frequently as every 10,000 years and others as infrequently as every 50 million years. Oh, great.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, so just what a rage from 10,000. 50 million. They couldn't have been any bigger since.

[Joe Rogan]

The last full reversal. Oh, a full reversal. Not like those little baby reversals.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Was 780,000 years ago. Oh, well, it's definitely due then.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that.

[Hassan Ahmad]

If the average is 300,000, it's crazy. We're doing.

[Joe Rogan]

But we could do like, bank on the 50 million. I'd be nice. Be nice if we want to live recklessly.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, Just like that will happen for another 15 million.

[Joe Rogan]

We're good. We got another 49 million compared. According to my experts. You know, according to my experts, it's safe and effective.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah. At that point, just say you don't know when it's going to happen. The range of 10,000 to 50 million is pure insanity to tell me.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, let's Google this. What happens when Earth's magnetic poles shift? Like, what happens if there's a complete reversal of the pole? What do you think is the. What. What kind of calamity ensues?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Like, do you. Would it.

[Joe Rogan]

They must have studied it, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

I mean, I don't know if it happened 780,000 years ago. How much can you really know?

[Joe Rogan]

But if two dumbasses like you and I are sitting around discussing it, they must have discussed this.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, hopefully. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Magnetic pole shift, also known as a geomagnetic reversal. The north and south magnetic poles swap locations, effectively inverting the planet's magnetic field. This process happens over a period of centuries not millennia, not instantly. While the magnetic field weakens during a reversal, it doesn't disappear completely. There's no evidence that pole reversals cause massive earthquakes, rapid climate change, or species extinctions.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Okay, so it must be so slow that it's manageable if it does. Yeah. That's what you were worried about.

[Joe Rogan]

So much better. I watched too much YouTube.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, I get that.

[Joe Rogan]

They freak me out.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I get that.

[Joe Rogan]

Meanwhile, how do we know this hasn't happened in 780,000 years? This is probably all theoretical as well, right? And also, if I did think it was going to cause calamity, the last thing I do is tell the general public. I'd be like, listen, we'll be fine. It takes millions of years. Everything is good. Don't worry about it. We really have to worry about is climate change.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Is that, is that what you consume Most now is YouTube?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, right. That's the way. That's the. That seems to be the. You know what's huge now is are you like into any of these streamers?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They're so massive. I had this thought of like the other day of like, you know, how it was like a big deal that Kamala didn't come on this podcast, right? It's going to be in like 10 years or so. Like, oh, you didn't see Kaiser nets. You didn't like. That's why Jake Paul became president. He was on piece net stream talking about why he should be president or something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's the thing is like, someone like Jake Paul could be president if Donald Trump could be president. Jake Paul. I'm not saying that Donald Trump isn't a big time businessman and capable. It's not an insult. I'm saying we know now that super popular people can be president. Now let's imagine Jake Paul is young and wild and he's a professional boxer right now. But he. Will he be in 20 years? No, he'll be retired and, you know, maybe he'll have some good ideas and we might have President Jake Paul. And I'm not bullshitting.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, I know. I think that's a definite possibility.

[Joe Rogan]

We are. Look, we're so close, but yeah, idiocracy. I so close to that movie I did. We could have a pro wrestling president.

[Hassan Ahmad]

We're kind of already there.

[Joe Rogan]

The Rock could be President 1000%.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Easily, easily, easily.

[Joe Rogan]

EAS contacted him. They tried to get him to run.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Make it a show. It's all a show, bro. It's all a show. The President Rock.

[Joe Rogan]

President Brock Lesnar, bro. He would win like that.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

In a heartbeat. He would win like that. You imagine? Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, it's. We're there.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, my. Might be a good president too. Who's gonna fuck with the country when that's your president?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Might as well give it a shot. At this point, we're just throwing things to the wall. Might as well give it a shot. Why not? Why not? Dude, fuck it. It's all. It's all a show.

[Joe Rogan]

During his time out of the ufc, he's been just studying economics while also doing pro wrestling.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He's got some really good theories, really good ideas.

[Joe Rogan]

All he does is read books on World War II. Totally, totally misunderstanding him because he looks like a fucking. Like a juggernaut, right? He's like a real human. He's really a genius.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He's really sensitive. He really knows how to lead people.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, no one would believe that. No one would believe that, like a giant human being would also be a genius. Like a giant super athlete.

[Jamie]

Yuri Proska going for his master's degree.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you'd believe Yuri. Yeah, you'd believe Yuri. But that's different. Like, Yuri is a big guy for sure, but he's a big, athletic looking guy that, like, it looks like he could do a lot of different sports.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Brock Lesnar looks like an X man. He looks like.

[Joe Rogan]

Looks like an X man.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Doesn't look like a real human. Especially Brock Lesnar in his prime when he was in the ufc. You like what? Fuck.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I remember one time Dennis Rodman came into the Comedy Store, and I remember looking at him thinking, I can't believe there's enough humans that are that big for a league of them.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

You are like a. You should be like a one in a million specimen. What do you mean? There's enough to fill 32 teams of. 30 teams of you. That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

And when you compare him to, like, NFL line.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, like a J.J. watt or something, who was also just like, good Lord, they're so big. Yeah. It's like, it's hard to believe we're the same species. That's so crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's nuts. There's some giant. How about like the mountain from Game of Thrones or. You ever see Brian Shaw, the power lifter guy?

[Hassan Ahmad]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

He didn't even look like a real human. He's like £400. He's so big. He looks like the side of a house.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

He's so big. See, Get a photo of Brian Shaw. I mean, he's like One of the strongest humans that's ever walked the face of the earth. He doesn't even look like a real person. Yeah, he looks like what David had to fight with the sling.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Like, really Goliath?

[Joe Rogan]

If that guy came over a mountain, you'd be like, oh my God, it's a giant. Like he's 10ft tall. That's what you would say, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh my God.

[Joe Rogan]

But look at him in comparison to like a normal person. There's a photo of him. Look at that.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's so it's like two of that person.

[Joe Rogan]

Now imagine if that guy existed 2,000 years ago during the time of the Bible. And you were your average dude who lived back then, which probably weighed 130 pounds. Your average dude was like probably barely getting enough food your whole life. Right, right. Like the Civil War soldiers, they were all like £130, all malnourished. It was hard to eat then, right? It was hard to survive back then. And then that guy comes over the mount with a. Just a big hunk of leather over his dick. They existed back then too, those dudes in Iceland. Where's that? Why are these strong men coming from Iceland? Like, what is that all about? I'll tell you. That's about the Vikings. They were the Vikings. Damn. There's like a whole culture of strong men, like strongest men that do those barrel throwing competitions, they come out of Iceland, like a ton of them. They all these crazy names.

[Hassan Ahmad]

What is it about that section of land that creates big people? Because you would think with. With all like the cold and the snow, it'd be harder to get food.

[Joe Rogan]

Unless you have a long history of murder and stealing things from people. Like the Vikings. Did you have a long history of the. The ones that survived are the biggest craziest. And the women, the probably the ones that survive out of the women, they have to be the biggest craziest motherfuckers too, right? You're living the most chaotic life possible. You're taking magic mushrooms and raiding villages and killing everybody and stealing everything they. And they. You're doing it for a thousand plus years. Like, how long did the Vikings last? Let's find that out. Like, how long were they doing that?

[Hassan Ahmad]

They had to been around, right? There was, there were. They apparently got to America. They were like doing crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

They were in America in like the 1400s or some.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, 14 rather.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. They were here way before everybody else. They were seafaring murderers. You ever said watch that show, that Viking show? No, no, it's. I'm great.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I'm all YouTube myself. I almost watch nothing on television anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

If you want to watch a great Viking movie, the Northmen. Oh my God. It's another one of those movies that's kind of like fantastical. The Viking Age.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Okay, so it's only 250 years.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it really. Time during the Middle Ages when the Norsemen, known as Vikings, undertook large scale raiding, colonizing conquest.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Find that movie, Jamie. The North Bend.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That lasted shorter than America's been a country.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, I know. Well, it's not sustainable.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Joe Rogan]

That movie. That movie's good. Dude, that move is fucking good.

[Hassan Ahmad]

According to Google. Got 2.6. Google doesn't like it.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

No. What? Is that real?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. 2.6.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of tomato. Hold on. Rotten tomatoes is 90% Google. What, did someone like bomb it?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Can we look up what?

[Joe Rogan]

2.6.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Can we look up Rotten Tomatoes? What the audience score is? Because Rotten Tomatoes critics can buy the scores or like the studios can buy the scores.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, critics says 60. No, no. Oh, wild. Well, I loved it because I must be a critic. I thought I loved it. It's fun, but it's also, it's like just hyper brutal. That show was hyper brutal too. The Viking show, the TV series. That was a great TV series. But this, this movie's rough, dude.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, just straight up warrior culture.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, just exactly what it was, man. That's what they did. I mean, just a bunch of fucking mushroom eating savages, right? Just cutting heads off, just murdering. And then they settled down, moved to Iceland and that's what's left.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn. Yeah, damn. So it's like almost like a natural eugenics program. That's why they're that strong.

[Joe Rogan]

See if you can find that Vice piece on strongmen in Iceland. When you see these guys, you're like, oh, it's so obvious when you see them, you're like, well, this is where you guys can came from. That's why there's so many of you.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That makes sense.

[Joe Rogan]

Up here where the Vikings lived. Duh.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn. And that's how, that's how. That's how strong genetics are. Over a thousand years, it's still like expressed nest of giants.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So this American dork. Christ, look at his regular sized dork. He's going to go and hang out with these massive dudes that go to this powerlifting gym.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn. Vice used to be like really awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Vice was the best, dude.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, there was a time when Vice was like putting out the best content.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they had amazing things. And they. They took these, like, Williamsburg nerds and they sent them all over the world. Flak jackets on and shit.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. You saw some, like, interesting. If I showed you, like, sides of the world that you can see the.

[Joe Rogan]

Size of these guys. It's hard to tell in this picture, like, but you'll see, like, some of them.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

Carrying cars. Look at this. See who carries the car the quickest. That's so insane.

[Hassan Ahmad]

What? And also, his name is Meng Magnus Ver Magnason.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they always have names like that. Yeah, they always have names like that. I mean, they were the Vikings, man.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Damn. That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy. You know, I mean, just the Genghis Khan thing. The fact that a giant percentage of people that are alive today have his DNA.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Yeah. And, like, he killed enough people to, like, change the climate of the world. It's so wild. So wild.

[Joe Rogan]

He killed so many people that you could see it in the carbon footprint of Earth. There was a regreening of this directly attributed to him burning everything down and, like, destroying cities.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He has one of the hardest quotes of all time where he goes. It's something along the lines of, like, you guys must be great sinners because God would have never sent a. Punish me a punishment like me upon you if you didn't such a. Like, damn, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

That's how he justified everything he did.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's so. I mean, that's the way to do it. How crazy is that?

[Joe Rogan]

That's the way to do crazy is thinking like that. Yeah. That must be terrible if God sent.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Me to get you, because I am God's punishment. It's a great. That's. First of all, be a great nickname for a fighter. God's punishment. Phenomenal nickname for a fighter also.

[Joe Rogan]

But if you really think like that, what ultimate justification to one of the greatest mass murderers in history.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right, Right.

[Joe Rogan]

The dude killed 10% of the population of Earth during his lifetime, and he.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Felt like he was on the side of the gods.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course, God. God sent me to do this.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's power.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Power in the demons.

[Hassan Ahmad]

The demons, they run everything, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Demons are real. They get in your head and they get you to do evil, horrible things.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And they make you feel like, no, I'm doing this because I'm supposed to.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine if that's really what's going on. All bad deeds are just demons. Just demons sneaking into people's brains.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, man. We would like to believe that it.

[Joe Rogan]

Was something to rob a liquor store, forcing you to put that skin. The demons want you to do it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

We would like to believe that's anything other than us. But that's us.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, but why? What is the thing that makes a person do it? Imagine if it's a demon, because we don't really know what the thing is. We know. Look, evil exists. Right? Good exists. We know evil acts exist, and we know good acts exist, but we don't want to believe that there's any sort of supernatural aspect to it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right, Right. There's no.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the quote. Like, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making you believe that he doesn't exist.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, so I get what you're saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

So me being like, no, that's just us, is like the devil being like, no, no, I'm not here. Yeah, I'm not here.

[Joe Rogan]

It's all on you. But if. If demons were real, we wouldn't believe. Just like we don't believe in government corruption, just like we don't believe in a lot of things. Just like we don't believe the pharmaceutical drug companies fuck us over. Just like we don't believe in false flags or conspiracy theories. It's the same thing. We wouldn't believe in demons either. Like. Oh, come on. The same people who don't believe in conspiracies also don't believe in demons? Well, conspiracies are real as fuck.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Okay, so it's such a funny way.

[Joe Rogan]

If you don't believe in them, then I don't trust what you. I don't trust your worldview. If you don't think conspiracies exist, if you're one of these dumb asses. Oh, I think everything has a simple reason for it. You're. This is you. You got blinders on. That's crazy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Or the information you're being fed is done without any sort of malice or any sort of agenda.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, yeah, there was no conspiring. That's crazy. There's no conspiracy. It's almost all conspiring. When you look at the history of just government alone, you go back to Smedley Butler's book that he wrote in 1933 called War is a Racket. Like, it was like he was talking about uncovering conspiracies. As a retired major general, like, at the end of his career, he's like, my whole career was bullshit. War is a racket. So he's talking. So that's a conspiracy, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Gulf of Tonkin. What's that? That's conspiracy, right? Like they conspired to pretend that there was an attack so that we Would go into Vietnam, right? Yeah. Didn't they conspire to say that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction? It seems like they might have.

[Hassan Ahmad]

The Spanish American War.

[Joe Rogan]

Seems like people might have conspired for that. Seems like sometimes people talk and they get involved in things you maybe didn't want to.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Enron, the smartest people in the room. Did you ever watch that documentary?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Conspired like a motherfucker.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Got Gray Davis recalled. That's like the first political thing I remember. It's like, whoa, right? You can just recall a governor.

[Joe Rogan]

If the Epstein client list exists and it doesn't get exposed. Perhaps. Perhaps someone conspired.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, they're all in on that, do you think? Yeah, they're all in that.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't be ridiculous. What are you, a conspiracy theorist?

[Hassan Ahmad]

I used to say, when Epstein died, I used to say, like, the meeting was. It was like, Trump, Obama, Oprah, and like, Big Bird are in a room together. Elmo were all in a room together. They shook each other's hands and like, it's over.

[Joe Rogan]

Your problem is you let facts get in the way of your opinion. Okay, I know we. I know it's true that poppy production went way up in Afghanistan after we got in there.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And I know that the United States military was guarding the poppy fields, but you're a fool to think we profited off of that, so shut your goddamn mouth.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's true.

[Joe Rogan]

We would never do that and go blow an eagle.

[Hassan Ahmad]

We would never flood the American market with drugs. I mean, just look the other way with crack. That was. That's it on. That's its own special thing.

[Joe Rogan]

But way we sold it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I know. Oh, no, we definitely did. That was. That was a. That was a Reagan, Clinton. Back when we used to be more united. Back when Democrats and Republicans.

[Joe Rogan]

I remembered more together learning about that in the news. Going. Going. What? What? The government was selling crack in the hood, right? What? To fund the contras versus the Sandinistas? What?

[Hassan Ahmad]

All connected.

[Joe Rogan]

What? When you find out the government sells crack, you're like, what? Like the whole Barry Seals one. That.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That, you know, that's a Tom Cruise movie. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yes. Where they just basically.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is fucked up that Tom Cruise played him, because Tom Cruise, one of the most handsome guys ever live. Barry Seals was disgusting looking. It's really quite rude. You know, it's hard for me to like, as a. Watching a biopic, I want him to, you know, like when. What's his face played? Dick Cheney.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, Australian guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Awesome.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Christian Bale.

[Joe Rogan]

Christian Bale. Christian Bale played Dick Cheney. He fucking looked like Dick Cheney, dog.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

He looked like him. Gained a bunch of weight, did the whole deal, shaved his head.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, he's like, look at the difference.

[Joe Rogan]

Between Barry Seals and then Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is fit and handsome. Beautiful head of hair.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, this is something that Derek and I have talked about. It's like a lot of movies now. There's like no more regular looking people.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's all like, even TV shows. All. Everyone is just all super duper attractive.

[Joe Rogan]

Bro, that. That ship is about to sail.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, it's over.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, that ship's about to sail. These new video engines where just with prompts. Have you seen the one where people are arguing whether or not they're prompt?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy. That's crazy to watch because that is like almost a simulation telling you you're in a simulation, right? Like, hey, this is. How much different is this than you? Is it different? It's really different, right? Oh, yeah. It's just a video, Right. Okay, here's the next version. How much different is this than you? It's like we're peeling the layers of an onion.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. And they're using the people doing it. Stand up, talking about it. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Press this and do it from the beginning so we could hear it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Theory. Like, really?

[Joe Rogan]

It's really. It's really crazy. Beta prompts.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Like, seriously, dude, you're saying the only thing standing between me and a billion dollars is some random text?

[Joe Rogan]

Honestly, the biggest red flag is when.

[Hassan Ahmad]

The guy believes in the prompt theory. Like, really, we came from prompts? Wake up, man. You want to convince me that this.

[Joe Rogan]

Perfect creation behind me is the result.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Of ones and zeros, a binary code and nothing more.

[Jamie]

It makes no sense.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Imagine you're in the middle of a nice date with a handsome man and then he brings up the prompt theory.

[Joe Rogan]

Yuck.

[Hassan Ahmad]

We just can't have nice things.

[Joe Rogan]

We're not prompts. We're not prompts.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Where is the prompt writer to save you from me? Where is he?

[Joe Rogan]

You still believe we're made of prompts? Anyone who tells you. Hold on. Even the prompts have bad acting. That's terrible. Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

You know, they're new. They're new to acting. Give it some time.

[Joe Rogan]

They gotta really develop their own Marlon Brando for real.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's coming.

[Joe Rogan]

But we get it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But yeah, pretty crazy, that sort of stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you think, Jamie? Think? Is it. What if you had a guess? Like what. What percentage of you believes that we're in the simulation. Pull that mic down. Which is there a part, Ace? Well, something. Something inorganic about existence. Something that seems not real.

[Jamie]

Did you. I just saw someone reposted the first time Alex Jones was on. He was talking about his theory of what we are. And you're just like laughing along the whole time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

His basic point was like, I'm gonna blow your minds. Like, we are the aliens. We're the aliens.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And then the people have taken that farther and said that we. I don't. It's almost like the Matrix take. If we're the. I don't know who would have been the creator, then that's the kind of part that's left out of this. Is it one of those nine?

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's AI all the way down. It's just a recursive.

[Jamie]

Aliens created us and I don't know what for what reason.

[Hassan Ahmad]

We're just in a recursive program that's like meant to create more programs.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, if you think about what we're doing right now currently, what we just talked about.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

AI's talking to each other in Sanskrit. If that is the baby God, that's a baby God.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So we're watching baby God in the Cradle.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

We're watching Jesus in the manger or whatever. It's about to pop out. It's about to get wild.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Things are about to get really.

[Joe Rogan]

About to get wild. It's about the doctor Manhattan us and be a blue guy with a giant dick floating around.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember Dr. Manhattan?

[Hassan Ahmad]

I remember Dr. Manhattan.

[Joe Rogan]

That's. Here's another movie you can't make today. You can't show dicks like that anymore.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Hassan Ahmad]

See, I.

[Joe Rogan]

Big old blue dicks.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I see. I disagree.

[Joe Rogan]

Tom. Did they do.

[Hassan Ahmad]

You can see there was a shift and probably right on then where dicks became way more. Okay. And you said. And then you start seeing way more dicks than tits. Which that's. I'm not a big fan of.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, you see the most Dick's Righteous gemstones.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, that's.

[Joe Rogan]

They have dicks in almost every episode. It's so uncomfortable.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, it's. It became. It became like a trend to show dicks on tv. Like. I don't know what. Something brought it around.

[Joe Rogan]

They won't do it in the movies anymore.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So these people get buckwhat they did in Nosferato. You saw. You saw the vampire dick? Yeah, vampire dick. Big old vampire.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, that's. Any tits in Nosferatu.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Okay, Good, good.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's Johnny Depp's daughter's tits. So you're conflicted, like, oh, I remember her. She was little. Yeah, it's Lily Depp.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I forgot.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, she's beautiful. But, you know, it's like, come on. I remember when she was little. If I know you when you're little, I never want to see your tits.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I grew up with you. That's kind of crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow, there's Tom. Yeah, but what is the Nosferrado one? See if you can find Nosferatu's dick. I'm gonna fuck up your Google algorithm. It's gonna be personalized for you. Jamie, I hear you're into vampire dick.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I did. I do. I do think, because I brought up the streaming earlier, I do think that's gonna be like a majority of how people. But one you can tell it's real. But also. So I was. I just got into it because we had that sketch was on Kill Tony. And then I just started getting videos of sketch and there was one where he was just calling. This is another streamer called Sina just calling her fat. And it was really funny, just for like two hours straight. And I got really into it. I was looking and these two guys that are huge right now, Kaisen at and Speed. Have you heard of them?

[Joe Rogan]

I've heard of. It's. What is it?

[Hassan Ahmad]

I show Speed. Yeah, he went to China, fights people.

[Joe Rogan]

I've seen him. Like, he sparred a bunch of people.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He does like athletic stuff that's like part of his. But, like, he went to China and they were following around like he was Jesus. It was crazy to watch Kaisen. That. And I saved this on my phone because it blew my mind. He did this thing recently called Streamer University, where it was now still live. Oh, it's alive.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's like an active thing.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, I thought it was only three days, but. So for three days I saved on my phone because I showed it to Derek and it was mind blowing. How much? So in three days, he had 23 million hours, watched 22,700 years of content streamed on Twitch in the span of a weekend.

[Joe Rogan]

So kids are watching. Like, what are the age limits or what are the age.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I would say. I would say definitely younger. But it's definitely gotten to me where, like, now I'll watch, like, there's certain streamers. There's this one streamer named Disguise Toast. He's really good at puzzles and he's good at, like explaining the puzzle while he does it. And I'LL like, I'll like watch. He like goes around to escape rooms and like he'll like solve puzzles. Yeah, it's really fantastic. He. I found him in the Pandemic. He played this social deduction game called Among Us. And he was just really good at giving the play by play of like his logical reasoning. And it made me be like, oh, what is this? And then now looking at the, the streamer university numbers, it's like, oh, this is crazy. That's what I mean. In like, like if, in like a few years, like if you're a presidential candidate, you have to go on these streamers things. I mean, they tried it, they tried it with, they tried it a little bit with like AOC and Did they. Weren't they streaming Madden? Wasn't that the whole thing when AOC and Tim Waltz were streaming Madden, when they talked about Tony?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, they were streaming Madden. Is that what they were doing on Twitch?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, they were playing. But they were. So they were playing Madden on Twitch.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's when they found out about Tony.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yes, that's, that's that video of just like the speaker. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Wild.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But Tim Walls pretended he plays football is hilarious.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, well, him saying, you got. We got. She ran a pick six. It's like the football fan version of the Inglorious Bassett scenes where you do the three and three. It's like if you're a football fan, you wouldn't say that if you coach football.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, not only that, he said he's a head coach and he wasn't a head coach. Like, that's, that's a big old lie. You shouldn't be able to lie and people want to trust you. Your whole business is people trusting you. You could have said assistant coach.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's good enough, right? Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So if you lied about that, you're probably alive. You're probably one of them dudes who lies all the time.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, which is like the kind of people that want to be president. The kind of people that want to be governor. There's great a. You know, they just want that job.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They're constantly lying. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And what do I have to say whatever thing to say to get people to like me.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Nuts, man.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But yeah, to me that's like, that's the next. Because both those guys speed. Kaiser net speeds 20. Kaisen has 23. It's like that, that's, that's how the next generation is like consuming media.

[Joe Rogan]

How about this? GTA 6 is about to come out.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine If a candidate made a deal with GTA 6 where you could have them ride along with you. Like Trump can ride along with you while you rob people. Shoot people. You could do it with Trump.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then all sudden people want to vote for Trump because he's my favorite homie in GTA 6.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, easily. Or like that. Yeah, right. It's.

[Joe Rogan]

Or like the candidate is in the game helping you out. You know, like you're playing Half Life and Kamala Harris is helping you get around the lab.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's. I mean, it's. I think it has to be a little less in your face for it to work.

[Joe Rogan]

But you. I don't know, dude.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I think so. I don't know, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

If you could. If you love playing with the Kamala Harris character on Half Life, if, like, that's your. Like, if you have partners.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, you could have an AI partner. And it literally is Kamala Harrison. She runs around in Half Life with you shooting at aliens and shit.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. And then you really get into like, you got a good coordinated partnership with Kamala Harris when you play Half Life.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. That's actually.

[Joe Rogan]

She's super cool in the game. She's really funny. She helps you. She gets you clues to how to get out of places.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn. Yeah. That got way darker than I thought. That's very. I guess that is possible. You can have.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course it's possible.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, my AI Trump helper. Yeah. And he helps me finish the missions. Yeah. Or like do. Do a patch online where you can. Yeah, yeah. That. The way they can reach you is like. Sure. Yeah. Because right now all the streaming stuff seems like it's like the almost not Wild Westy, but it's still kind of new. The second politics figures out a way to really get their hands in it. I think it's kind of over.

[Joe Rogan]

The real goal to have the real gateway to hell is neural interfaces. That's the real gateway.

[Hassan Ahmad]

So where you're like just. You can immediately just be in the world.

[Joe Rogan]

The real matrix like that. It's a hundred percent on the. It's on the menu. It's coming. Oh, it's just a matter of time. And when you can't tell at all whether or not you really have it in experience. That's when you're in a simulation and that might have already happened.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That might be what we're dealing with right now.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That. That we're just the simulation creating its next simulation. It's next iteration.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe why it's so wacky, why it feels so fake.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, it is. It is. It is wild. Just, I guess the world we live in where, like, comedians are, like. It doesn't make any sense to me sometimes we'll look around.

[Joe Rogan]

Any sense.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Where it's like, comedians are selling out arenas regularly.

[Joe Rogan]

Regular. Regular. All of our friends.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. They're just arena acts all of a sudden. And, like.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, instantly.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, I think part of that has to do with, like, as things get more fake, people will try to strive for things they know is 100%. And so what I know is real. Is this guy talking to me in person right now?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. Also, because of the restricted nature of all. Whatever you see on television, any regular.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Television show, not even television, like, the censorship on social media sometimes is like. Like, I. I did this sketch with one of our. The door guys at Mothership, Cristina Mariani, killing it. And in this sketch, we have her tell me to kill myself. That's part of. That's the sort of.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And you can't. In the captions, they took it down because we. We spelled out the world kill, which you can't do, and you can't say the words kill yourself. And it's like, it's just a small little sketch. And it's like, already it's like there's so much, like. There's so much holding you back from, like, having a true expression sometimes that, like, people will go to seek it out live. That's what I think.

[Joe Rogan]

There's definitely some part of that. Yeah, for sure. I think people are definitely aware that there's a bunch of stuff you can't talk about in social media that you want to talk about on stage that are funny.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, and it's also so funny to me. It's like social media, there's this big, like, oh, mental health is important, but, like, you can't. You have to write unalive yourself in the caption. It's like, okay, so we can't have serious discussions about these topics, really.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Like, there's certain. If certain words are off limits, then there's no way you can have an actual serious discussion where those words are involved.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. 100%. Because then they just expand the definition of offense.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. And then go, this is expensive. Now, this is a new version.

[Joe Rogan]

We have an updated list of words you can't say.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And we were talking about, like, all these bots earlier. So, like, we don't want these words to offend people, but we're not even talking to people. This is all going out to computer programs.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's computer programs watching other computer programs, times being offended. It's like, it's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

But offending people should be the least of your concern when you're allowing open manipulation by university. And like. And also, this is just the one we know about. We didn't know about that until they told us.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. And they didn't have to tell us. No, they just decided to, I guess, in a way of like warning, like, hey, this is probably happening in a bunch of ways.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm glad they did. They shouldn't have done it in the first place. But I'm. Well, look, it's being done.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's being done.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's not like they came up with the idea. They're the only ones doing it. I guarantee you it's being done. There's probably a bunch of people that have AI friends online that they communicate with on Twitter and you know, hey, good to hear from you. How's things? They do DMs, back and forth with each other, right. Talking about stuff they're into. How many of those UAP guys are just talking to bots? All those dudes are in the UAP group. Like, there's a bunch of people all like disclosures imminent. They're all like fucking DMing each other. Probably dam and bots.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. And they're just getting fed what they.

[Joe Rogan]

Want to hear, just getting fed bullshit AI videos and all kinds of like weird disclosure stuff. Half of it's fake. Half of it the government is actually leaking purposely to try to hide some weapons program they have. Right knows. Right knows what? I mean, it's a cloudy environment. The UFO world is like one of the slipperiest worlds. When you're talking to people, there's gr. Just full on grifters. There's full on people that are just. They have the answers to everything and they're always wrong, they're always off. And then they have like some good data that they pull from disclosure and from all these different people that talked about different things. But then they, they claim to be like the experts in it. It's like a lot of weird people in that world.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yes. Well, it's easy to do that in that world too, where like a lot of it is like, does this even exist?

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Hassan Ahmad]

So you can just be like, well, I have proof.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If you don't have good ethics, if you're not like a legitimate journalist, you know. But what's interesting is when legitimate journalists get interested, like Schellenberger, when Michael Shellenberger reports on UAPS He. I like how he does it because he does it the same way. He reports on, like, corruption in government and waste and fraud. Like, he's just this. No exaggeration, no condemnation of human. You know, like. No, like virtue signaling. It's like, this is what's going on. On. This is what we know there's. These programs exist and this is what we know they've been trying to hide. And these are the people that have come forward, and this is why we think they're telling the truth. Like, yo, damn.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, it is. It is wild that they told us that aliens exist and we just sort of didn't care.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we're like, whatever.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, well, we got to see it now. We got to see more. Yeah, show us what you. Show us what you got. It's like, you know, it's like.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like that guy that was telling us that he knows that Israel had a warning.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Exactly what I was going to say.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't tell me unless you can tell me. Me?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Show me.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't tell me because you can tell me. Oh, we have crafts of non human origin. What? What are you talking. Well, show me.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, why can't you. Why can't they show us a picture of that?

[Joe Rogan]

They. You know, unless.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Unless the one picture is Epstein sitting in the.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why it's all Epstein and Puffy making out in space. Have you seen those ones? The two of them making out in jail?

[Hassan Ahmad]

No. That's so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

If they made AI of the two of them kissing and making out, did.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They know each other?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, who knows? It's a good question.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Did, like, was there a connection there? Because there's a. Because there's this whole, like, Mossad Epstein connection. Is there, like. Is there like a massage?

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good question.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Did he. Connection. Did they know each other?

[Joe Rogan]

Island.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Did he ever. On the island.

[Joe Rogan]

If you're gonna have a fly party, that's a dude to invite.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

In the day.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Exactly. Before everybody knew, I can't imagine their circles were completely separate.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good point. Yeah. Well, we know that he was hobnobbing with politicians. You know, the Diddy was hobnobbing with. With Biden or. Excuse me, with Obama.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

This video of the two of them together talking.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember?

[Hassan Ahmad]

But there's a video with like, I feel like every current, every president from Clinton on has a picture with either has like a lot of pictures with Epstein or a lot of pictures with Diddy.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But then the thing is, it's like, did they know. Or was it just. There's a lot of photographs of famous people with these people.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Because that's like a way to get an endorsement.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, look, the Rock likes me.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

I must be awesome.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And a lot of what I heard, how the Epstein thing worked, is that, oh, you'd be at a party, and then all of a sudden some of that, the shady shit would go down. And you might not have known about it, but you were at the party where it happened later, of course.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. In that way, people that were more conservative, they could kind of shield them from knowing about it, but implicate them.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's all that matters is like, because if you're. If you're at a party where someone assaults an underage girl, Right. And that's on video, and now you're at the party, it doesn't matter. You have to explain that.

[Joe Rogan]

But especially if you're like a scientist and they flew you to the island, there's a bunch of other scientists there, and you're like, oh, we're just gonna. You know, he's. He donates a lot to science. And this is a wonderful opportunity to get together with my colleagues and have a few cocktails and just, you know, we're. We're going over string theory. Meanwhile, there's people in the background doing ecstasy. And it gets a little freaky. Maybe you go to bed. Maybe you go to bed, you're like. Or like, maybe someone knocks on your door.

[Hassan Ahmad]

We have a. We have someone who will massage you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Maybe they drug your drink.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. No questions asked.

[Joe Rogan]

Who knows, you're over there for a few days.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. You're not thinking, they're not gonna bring a 16 year old in here. Why would you think that? Why would you. Why would you possibly think that?

[Joe Rogan]

It's like. Like if you're a guy who makes, like, whatever a professor makes, like a normal salary, a good salary, but normal. And you hear about billionaires that own islands as a financial genius. And he really supports science. Sounds like a great thing.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If you don't know any better.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. And like, he wants to fly you out privately to an island to meet a billionaire, you're like, whoa, I've never done that. Private.

[Joe Rogan]

This is going to be incredible. But once that guy gets arrested for getting jerked off by kids, you're like, hey, oh, no. Then you still hang out with him.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right? Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Which a lot of them did.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

That's where it gets weird. Like, did you hang out with him because he made you? Because he said, hey, you're not going nowhere. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're intelligent, you'd probably distance yourself from him at that point in time, right? Be like, well, I have to separate if you got a clean slate. Like, well, I. I can't have anything to do with him publicly. I am the CEO of Microsoft. But yet you're still hanging out with him.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. Because now he has it over you. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The Bill Gates one was great because he was like, he was donating to global health. Do you need money? Do you need money? What about your money? Like, you have so much money. You have hundreds of billions of dollars. You need this guy who's got 1 billion to help, right. Why don't you take one of them one billions that you have and throw it in there if you really care? And he seems weird. It all. It seems weird.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. It's all like. But it's all like these sort of like, sex scandal rings of just. I think that's like, a function of high politics, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a function of a bunch of people getting together and getting drunk.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Bunch of freaks. And then they're doing coke and they're on an island. Let's go. When you think, you know, you think you're partying on a yacht somewhere, but meanwhile, you're just in a. A real reality show that only a few people get to watch.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. But wasn't there, like, even. Even pre Epstein, wasn't there, like, that Franklin scandal? Yeah. Where it's like. I think that's just a function of, like, it's a way to control.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude. There was the lady that was the madam that got us that got assassinated in D.C. i didn't, and I got assassinated. Yeah. Yeah. She's like. She's a famous D.C. madam. I think they said it was a suicide. And she was like, if I kill myself, I definitely did not kill myself. One of them deals. I conveniently died.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Didn't one of the Epstein FC witnesses just kill herself?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yes.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Things happen.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. You know where they recruited her? Where she got recruited At Mar A Largo. She was a. She was a locker room attendant at Mar A Largo when she got recruited, I'm pretty sure. Can we look that up? I think Virginia Guthrie. I do want to say that's a crazy thing to say where, like, I think I'm right about that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Be careful.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

All of it is so spooky, dude, because you know that that's not the only one on. There's probably ones going on right? Now in China.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Russia. It's just a thing that's happening all over the world.

[Hassan Ahmad]

When you have like a China Russia, where it's like, basically an emperor, they can just run it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's a whole different thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. They don't need to blackmail.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. They don't. They don't need some American financier. Yeah. At Mar a Lago.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn. Choose a spot. And Donald Trump's private.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Mar a Lago Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, how can you not believe in conspiracies?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah. It's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

McCrone's married to a man. A man who slapped him in a private jet.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, my God. Really? Just. Dude, his whole life he's been abused by that guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Face, palm in his face. I want to know. I mean, take a test. It's not hard. If I was her, I would say, listen, you. Okay, let's take a chromosome test. I am not a man. I'm just a pet.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I'm just a petty. Yeah, yeah. What. What accusation thing hurts her the most? The man or the pedophile? Well, the pedophile is not an accusation. That just. You are. That.

[Joe Rogan]

That is fact.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That is exactly who you are.

[Joe Rogan]

But what was the law back then? Because some places had some wacky ass.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I think that's probably why they say 16, because I think in Europe, 16 is like 15. Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Because when I read this online, it.

[Joe Rogan]

Said, Kirk Master says 14.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Because mascara says 14.

[Joe Rogan]

They're moving it. They're moving them goalposts as we speak.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah, But I think the. I think it's like, probably like 16 in the area. But either way, if you're a kid's teacher and you're sitting like, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. He got to a prime minister with that level of just mind that's happening to him.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine if the roles were reversed and the president was a female and then the husband was a teacher. When the president was 15. When she was 15 and he was 40. Imagine.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine that was in the United States. Imagine if it turned out that there's a female that's running for president. And then we start going into the history and find out that she met her husband, who's 80 me, when she was 15.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He'd be like, yo, in 1974, it was legal. Like, you. You man. That's crazy. We would never. But because it's a guy and an older lady. Lady air quotes. We let it slide. Like, he still gets to go to the Meetings and shake everybody's hand.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, he still gets to go to these things where all the world leaders get together. He's hanging out with them. Normal.

[Hassan Ahmad]

What's also funny to me is you're probably going to get more heat for calling her a man than she will from slapping the prime minister.

[Joe Rogan]

No, she's catching heat. Yeah, I think. And also Candace, I think Candace, if she's right and it seems like they're not suing her, so I think she might be right. And they did offer her money. How much money do they offer her? Find out that, that how much money they offer Candace Owens to not tell these stories.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn. They offered her. They were like here.

[Joe Rogan]

I believe she's made some sort of an accusation that they offered her a sizable amount of money to not do this.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Which is the last person you want to tell anybody that you offered them money to not talk about something. She sees the long game.

[Hassan Ahmad]

She's already willing to stories that comes.

[Jamie]

From a meme and then it's. That's not true.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, damn it. France offered to be Candace Owens a one time payment of 4 million plus 50k per month for the rest of her life. And that's just a meme.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. What's the site come from her?

[Joe Rogan]

Neither Owens nor French President Emmanuel Macron have referenced the claim on the respective websites or verified social media accounts and there is no other evidence to support the claim.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Can we see what the name of the account is that? Yeah, there's Legitimate target. Legitimate targets. Yeah. There's nothing I trust less than a thing called legitimate targets with a blue check mark.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why we had to look that one up. Yeah, because you don't know.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, well it does.

[Joe Rogan]

But again, this is like more that like probably bot like behavior targeting disinformation campaigns, you know, throwing fuel on the.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Fire of just getting you to believe. Like, oh, wow, okay, they paid money.

[Joe Rogan]

Like think about how many once, okay, you make that post. How many people like me read that, think it's true, ask Jamie to look it up. It starts spreading, people start following your account. How many new people do you get for your. How much engagement do you get? All that's valuable if you can keep doing that a lot and outrage people a lot. There's a bunch of those that come up, you're like, fuck, is this true? And then you have to copy and paste it and put in Google and search a little.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think this is true.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And now all someone has to do is take the snippet of you saying it before you. Like, let's look that up.

[Joe Rogan]

100.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And then now it's like, like it's.

[Joe Rogan]

But all she has to do is take a chromosome test.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But it's also like. But like, also if, like if you're a woman, you're not going to be like, well, you. I'm not going to prove to you I'm a woman.

[Joe Rogan]

I would do it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But you say that as a man.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Like, I could totally do it. If I, if I, if I was, if I was a woman and some, they were accusing me of being a man, I'd also kind of probably be like a little. The large part of me be like, you, I don't got to prove anything to you.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever see her sit down?

[Hassan Ahmad]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

She sits down like a dude. Yeah. You know, dudes sit down, leg spread, just plop down, all dick out.

[Hassan Ahmad]

A lot of weight because of the shape of our hips, right?

[Joe Rogan]

That's like when people talk about man spreading. Yes, guys definitely do that. But women's legs go inward. Men's hips, the way the, the angle is, is different, right? They go outward. Like, watch this person sit down. There's a video, right, that. See that video with the, the white shirt on the second one? Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Let's see.

[Joe Rogan]

Watch this. This is it. I've never seen a woman sit down like this. Go full screen.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Is this her when she was a teacher?

[Joe Rogan]

Watch this. Watch how she sits down, bro.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That is very middle aged, man, the way she sits.

[Joe Rogan]

Bro. Bro, watch this again. Watch this person sit down. That's how a dude sits this. The way the legs are spread apart. It's like a dude's hips.

[Jamie]

What about all the rest of these, though?

[Joe Rogan]

There is all the rest of one. There is like, oh, well, that's how liberal men sit. That's what they do. They throw their leg over. That's what guys with very small legs.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

But Ari sits like that actually because he's got them weird long legs. But like you can sit like that. It's the way you sit down.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's the initial. It's the initial. Get down. It's the plop.

[Joe Rogan]

It's the plop and then the legs spread. Women don't sit like that. When was the last time you saw a woman sit plop down with her legs spread?

[Hassan Ahmad]

They don't. They don't.

[Joe Rogan]

They just sit down. Their legs like normally naturally angle inward more and they sit like this. And they sit with their legs together. Like you might Have a similar pose, but you don't plop like that. Like, that's a dude pose.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That is. That is. Or maybe that's how pedophile women sit. There's also.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe a woman wants to be a man.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, right. There's also that.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's find one of those and see how they sit. Any examples?

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's. It's odd. The story's very odd. But it's also. It just shows you how fucking weird these people are. You watching that person smack Macron right in the head and then walk down the stairs like, what.

[Hassan Ahmad]

What could they have possibly been talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, your dick is showing. Shut the up. Yeah, no bulge.

[Hassan Ahmad]

If he was a man, they would fight. There would be a square up.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, maybe they will when they get back home. Maybe that's the fun part. Maybe they're like you. You. And then they get alone, get after it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

God damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's.

[Hassan Ahmad]

So that. That is just w. That is just. That whole relationship is really wild. That has to be one of the more wild politician relationships. Wild out there.

[Joe Rogan]

If that was the head, the lead of a sitcom, you'd be like, what the fuck? What is going on? But the fact that it's the president of France. What?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Getting slapped. There's no way you don't go, well, he's not going. He can't win reelection anymore. But if he. That would have hurt his campaign so hard, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

He's fixing to bomb somebody to cover this up. He's gonna arm some r rebels.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah. It's time to up Algeria some more. Whatever France does.

[Joe Rogan]

Now you're talking.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, like, remember when Clinton. When the Monica Lewinsky scandal came?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, then they bombed Kosovo.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so on the nose. They do shave. Like, oh, my God, you guys aren't even trying. You're not even trying to be slick. No, no.

[Hassan Ahmad]

This is. Get the attention off of me crazy. Yeah. Oh, man. They're part of it. When. When Columbine happened, he must have been like, thank God to get this off of me.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you remember Gary Condit? Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, he murdered that lady, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Allegedly.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Allegedly. Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

911 happened and he forgot about it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He's like, listen, we got bigger fish to fry.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Save us.

[Joe Rogan]

I wonder how accurate House of Cards is. I wonder. I wonder how accurate it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I mean, outside of him physically killing the people, which he does sometimes, I would probably say it's like, probably super active.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably pretty accurate.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, it's. It's a lot of dealings. Lot of, like, Such a good show. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so, so unfortunate.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, you know, life imitates us. He's Spacey, is always a great villain. He's always been a great villain. He might be the best movie villain.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he was so good in that one though, too, because he was so charming and layered. But it was also similar to, like, Tony Soprano. Like, you wanted him to succeed. Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

You want to be like, oh, can he get to president?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Does he have what it takes to.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, we were hoping he wins. Right? Like, when you're watching the show, you're like, God, I hope he's president.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right? Yeah, exactly. You were like. I was watching to be like, oh, how does he do it?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. How does he do it?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Because he's kind of in the beginning, he's like, kind of sidelined and it's like, oh, how does he get back into. In.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember he has that threesome. Was like, it's a security guard. Is that what it was? And his wife, the three of them. Get down.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Get down. Get down. Yeah. I wonder. I wonder how much of that freak goes on behind closed doors. Because I definitely think when you're a bottled up person like that, like, you have to be a. Any sort of like, professional person. Politician, publicly professional and ethical, and you're wearing a suit and tie, you can't wait to suck a dick. You can't wait to get free. Didn't.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Didn't Madison Cawthorn sort of get like, thrown out of the Republican Party for, like, kind of being like, hey, they like, have a lot of orgies and shit.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Hassan Ahmad]

I'm pretty sure because the.

[Joe Rogan]

What year was this?

[Hassan Ahmad]

This was so. Well, when does Cawthon go to, like, like 2016? This is like, pretty quickly because he was a rising star in the.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure he said something you're.

[Joe Rogan]

More in deep on than me on politics, this fellow.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Orgies and drugs. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. Ultra conservative group chair says he also wants to speak with the North Carolina Republican about his salacious claims concerning his colleagues. Okay.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Let'S see. Perry. This is Cawthon's claims. What are. What were his claims, though?

[Joe Rogan]

So.

[Hassan Ahmad]

What does he say and ask whether they reconsider? Caught his own membership in the group.

[Joe Rogan]

Group?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He basically said it clear that he has evidence of taking part in group sex and drug use. Perry wouldn't say either way. We will discuss that when we get to it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When asked whether they would reconsider Cawthorn's membership in the group if he didn't make clear whom. He has evidence. So Cawthorn was saying someone has evidence, that he has evidence of some people taking part of group sex. Not him, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

No, I think Cawthorn was saying something to the effect of to move up in this world or whatever, you have to take part in the drugs and the group sex. And then them being like, well, show us the evidence. And then Katherine being like, oh, I might have. I definitely.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, yes, he was invited. He claims he was invited to an orgy in Washington. Right. But no one was saying that he did it. I thought you were saying that he was wrapped up in it. So this is what killed him, that he was saying this about people and they killed his career.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And they were like, the Freedom Caucus was like, no, more. More.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, because I remember he got. He. His own rally took him out.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie, it says the sexual perversion that goes on in Washington. Being kind of a young guy in Washington where the average age is probably 60 or 70. Look at these people. A lot of them I've looked up to through my life. I always paid attention to politics. And all of a sudden you get invited. We're going to have a sexual get together at one of our homes. You should come. What you just asked me to come to. And then you realize they're asking you to come to an orgy. Some of the people leading in the. On the movement to try and remove addiction in our country. And then you watch them do a key bump of cocaine right in front of you and it's like, this is wild. And that says what. What does it say after that? That. Leave it back up. It's not clear to me whether Cawthorn is suggesting that members of Congress have invited him to orgies or just other people in Washington. Although after listening to his comments several times, it seems to be the former. Ditto. The. His allegations of seeing people in Washington doing cocaine. Well, they sound like cocaine people.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Clearly cocaine people.

[Joe Rogan]

If you're. If you want to be the president, you want to have all the power and you want to have all the money and you're deeply involved in corruption and that's cocaine people.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. I mean, no one's shocked. He just said the quiet part out loud. And I think that's a. But he was. Because he was supposed to be like the guy. At one point, I remember he was like supposed to be the guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Have your husband ever made any investments based on decisions?

[Jamie]

That was the first part of the process. Problems he had. He had some other issues.

[Joe Rogan]

What was the other issues?

[Jamie]

He Got arrested for gun, I think bringing a gun to an airport a couple times.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus.

[Jamie]

Driving with revoked license.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Sexual misconduct allegations when he was in college. Isn't in a wheelchair.

[Jamie]

He. I don't know exactly when the wheelchair happened, so it was either before or after.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But I was. Because I was gonna say, oh, yeah. And then he took like goofy vacation photos where I think he like dressed like during this game on a cruise. He like dressed like a woman or something like that. It was something. Yeah. But all of this, all this popped up after his.

[Joe Rogan]

It's lingerie.

[Jamie]

I don't know if it's just the orgy comment that led to. Everyone.

[Hassan Ahmad]

All right. He's also clearly looks like he's in a wheelchair here too.

[Joe Rogan]

He is in a wheelchair there.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He's probably having a good time with the ladies.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Like getting a little crazy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. But all that came up after he made those comments and it was very clear at the time, like, oh, they're like saying, we're done with this guy. We're going to throw him to the wolves. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they probably, if you want to be that guy, they, they have to have some stuff on you. Otherwise how can they count on you to play this game?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. Right. And they were like, oh, you think we don't have anything on you? We'll just show you dressing like a woman. Your constituents will dry up like that.

[Joe Rogan]

You sound like a conspiracy theorist. So silly. But boy did such a good job in the 60s after the Kennedy assassination of putting that word out there for fools and foolish people. They did such a great job. They really did.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well also, they had a higher control of the media at the time. Right. So you can. If there's only three places where you can get your news, you can be like, well, anyone's outside of it. It's kind of crazy. Now you can get your news for anyone and be like, okay, there's something to this. Yeah, yeah, there's something to this.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you remember those commercials that happened during. Right after 9 11, there was these anti drug commercials where a guy was saying that if you smoke pot, you're supporting terrorism. He's like, why do you say that? It's a fact. He just says it like he's eating a salad. Like a no nonsense guy at a steakhouse eating a salad because it's a fact. Like this condescending way, like. And you imagine yourself being confronted by such an accusation like, oh my God, if I smoke pot, I'm supporting terrorism.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever see that? Video? No, it was a public service announcement video. It was like one of those things. It was a propaganda video that they put on television. So while you're watching a television show, this is like right after, like the height of everybody freaking out about terrorism. So they use this as an anti marijuana drug money funds terrorism and terrorists. Like, scroll back so you can. From the beginning. It's a ploy. Well, this drug money funds terror. It's a ploy ploy. A manipulation ploy. Drug money funds terror. I mean, why, why should I believe that? Because it's a fact.

[Jamie]

A fact.

[Joe Rogan]

F A C T fact. So you're saying that I should believe.

[Jamie]

It because it's true.

[Joe Rogan]

That's your argument? It is true. Solid argument.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I know, dude. Also, what kind of dumbass is that guy to be like, oh, maybe he's.

[Joe Rogan]

Right after you say, well, that guy sounds like your average bro. It's like at a bar, you know, this is what I heard. I heard the government's hiding the aliens, you know, like, I mean, that's like the average guy, right? And then he's a guy with glasses who's eating his salads. Not tolerating your. Because it's a fact. F A C T fact.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, as long as you have all the data that you could show me. Oh, no data.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No, you got no data. Just accept it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's kind of right, because if you do buy heroin, you are supporting the Taliban. Because we were guarding their poppy fields.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah. Lol. I think we talked about this earlier. I think the Taliban is like a way to get out of it, like burned all their poppy fields. I think that, I think that, yeah, I think that's why they're trying to get more tourists to come. And this is like, there's a bunch of like bro travel, like tick tocks that are like, yeah, me and the bros are going to Afghanistan and they're like chilling with the Taliban. It's like these white guys from Britain.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you got to be a bold person to take that. That's an early adopter.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But also, if you're from England, you're kind of already getting used to being around Muslim extremists. So I think it's nice, more of a lateral move. I wish that something at least, like, I could be looking this. I could be wrong about this. But like, I wish that was something that was a little more vocal and like, sort of. I'm not like a very big Muslim guy. I'm not like really that person practicing or that religious. But these Sort of like the. Sort of. That the brand of Islam that's coming to Europe right now is, like, really scary for me. Like, I don't. I don't want that. Like, that's not. There's a lot of, like, Western Muslims that, like, probably wouldn't vibe with what's going on over there. And it's just this very interesting thing of, like, how do we curb that in our community of being like, hey, we shouldn't accept this. Like, we shouldn't. I. You know, I remember when the Charlie Abdo attacks happened, a lot of people would be like, damn, that's what happens when you draw Muhammad or whatever. It's like, that shouldn't be our reaction to this.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It should be like, live and let live. It's like, that's what I admire about the Christians years, that you can make fun of Jesus. No one's gonna kill you.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Like that. That there's sort of like this sort of Westernization that kind of needs to happen. That it doesn't look like it's happening over there in a way. That's kind of happening here.

[Joe Rogan]

What's going on in Toronto, where Ontario made it legal to have polygamy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's why.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. It's like, dudes want multiple wives.

[Joe Rogan]

What's in the Quran.

[Hassan Ahmad]

You know, it is. But yeah, yeah, you could have multiple. You got to treat them all equally, which is what they totally do.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a great way to keep people recruited.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Mmm.

[Joe Rogan]

You know?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, imagine if the Christian said, let's listen. We're open to new ideas. I think maybe the Mormons had a point, because the Mormons, that's how they got it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. That's the whole reason why they went to Mexico. Because the United States said no to polygamy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, that's the whole thing about what's his face from Massachusetts. That's right. Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney's dad was actually born in Mexico.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Their family came from. There's these giant colonies of Mormons that live in Mexico and duke it out with the cartels. Never seen that. No, dude. There was a shootout.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Mormons versus the cartels. Great movie title.

[Joe Rogan]

One of. There was a big problem a few years back because a few people, I think woman and a child and a couple other people got murdered by the cartels, and it became like a giant issue. So they did. They set these compounds up in, like, the 1800s whenever the Mormons were not allowed to be poly. Polygamous here in America. So they just said, well, who cares? Back then there was no cars. Did. Mexico is just as good as living in America, right? Just we'll go over there, right? But then, you know, America fucking blossom. Mexico kind of stayed, you know, and now you're like, hey, you got a cartel problem now? Like, so they. They're armed.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn. Are they still there?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, there's two. I think there's two large groups of Mormons that live in like these fenced off communities. It's like really kind of sketchy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, it's kind of.

[Joe Rogan]

They have compounds.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Well, the Mormons, I think because they're young too, they have to wait.

[Joe Rogan]

Safety, extra pussy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

The extra pussy is worth a lot. I'll say this, I remember the first time I went to Salt Lake City in 2019, and we were walking around and we were near the Mormon temple and the most beautiful women came up to us, us and be like, oh, why don't you? And I was like, that's how they get you, dude. Dude, Salt Lake City is like, it's just tens marrying twos. And they're like, that's how you get more. That's how you get the Mormon guys. Oh, dude, I was willing to. In that, the split second, I was like, I'm willing to give up a lot right now. I remember this beautiful woman from Colombia. Like, they went and they. They got converted on a mission trip and now they're here and like, look at this exotic women that's available to you if you're a Mormon. Mormon. And you can marry one like tomorrow.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Hassan Ahmad]

You can marry one because they all get married young and quick. Because the whole point is to have babies. So I've always told people, Mormons know how to croot. They can get you. They throw the. Your way.

[Joe Rogan]

They're also the nicest people. Like I'm. You very rarely meet a mean Mormon.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, it's like, you know, the Book of Mormon comes out and what do they do? Do they get mad? Do they fucking kill people? No, they stand outside and hand people pamphlets about Mormonism. This whole play talking about how Mormonism is kind is totally bullshit. They're like, we might be able to get somebody.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They actually took out a full page ad in Playbook.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right? Exactly, exactly. That's a great way to deal with criticism of your religion. I think from what my perspective on Islam, it just, it needs to handle that better. It just. It doesn't handle that well at all. I mean, I think Salman Rushdie was stabbed by a guy who was. Who was Born and raised in New Jersey. That's crazy. That's crazy. He should be safe here, right? Yeah. And also, I'm mad. I'm mad at the Fatwa because it made me read that terrible book.

[Joe Rogan]

Bad book.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It wasn't that good. There was. I would have not have read it if there wasn't anything around.

[Joe Rogan]

It probably sold a lot more copies because that probably made that dude rich as.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's like one of those. It's like. I get it if you like, like artsy, like, you know, it's like a novel for writers almost. That's how I felt reading it. Oh, yeah? Yeah. It's like, interesting. I didn't like it, but I only read it because of everything around it.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you see American Primeval? No, it's great. But it talks about Brigham Young, Young and the Mormons establishing themselves in Utah and gangster, like, murderers.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, you don't realize, like, what a gangster Brigham Young was. You're like, holy. Is this all accurate? And it's accurate. Peter Berg made it. It's really good.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. I mean, imagine Wild show, dude. Imagine leading a people against the American government and sending up. Setting up your own place. You have to be a bad motherfucker to do that. That.

[Joe Rogan]

And then the wildest ones went to Mexico.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It. We're gonna flee the whole country.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Yeah. The Mormons really, really, like, they fought.

[Joe Rogan]

To survive, but it's what we were talking about earlier. It's like human beings have a bunch of different ways where they can adapt to whatever the group is doing. There's a bunch of. We're like, so we're really, really malleable. You know, we're. We're easily influenced. We can, you know, we're where we adjust to whatever the environment is. We adapt, you know, and then if you're a Mormon woman, you're like, I guess I'm sharing this with eight other ladies.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

It's what you do. You're out there washing sheets and you.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Can probably convince yourself you're happy about it. You're probably not like that. You're probably like, and we're doing this for God. This what God wants. I remember we all got our own planet.

[Joe Rogan]

We were in a rest stop once. Ari and I were on the road doing stand up up, and we pulled into this place to get gas. And we were walking around this, like, rest stop, one of them little supermarket things. And these ladies came in. I think they were men and knights. And R was like, what group are you In. What do you guys do? What's this all about? And they, like, did not know how to talk to him. They look so awkward.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, yeah. Because they're only allowed to talk to the one man in their life. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Pretty sure he was stoned. Yeah, you definitely stoned. But it was really funny. Ari was like, well, what do you guys do? What's going on here? But I was like, wow, these people are living. I mean, this is. We're dealing with, like, you know, 2005 or some shit like that. You're dealing with these people that are. They're from another time. It's another time period. Like, they're dressed like they. They're literally, like, pioneers. They look like colonists. Like, they have, like, old timey 1800s clothes on.

[Hassan Ahmad]

On.

[Joe Rogan]

It's. You ever see, like, how Mennonites.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Weird.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

We're at a gas station, you know, in front of the Popeyes Chicken. This is so weird. And there's a group of them out there. It's like some shack, some house. Where's the compound? I believe this was. I think we were in Massachusetts when this happened. Or maybe New Hampshire, because I know they're out here.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Isn't the Mennonite population where the measles is in Texas? Like, you know how this is. I think it's the Mennonite nights.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that it?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah. That's like the. That's like the overwhelming majority of the people, like, because they. Because they run with the measles is, like, rampant in Texas. So they were running with that for a while. And it's like. It's basically in this one community, from what I remember. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. It's just weird when they can get people to dress up, you know? You know, like when you, like, wild, wild country, when everybody's wearing the robes.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But that's how you know who's bought in. Right? So it's like, okay, these are. These are the people that I can control.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Put that rainbow T shirt on. You're in a group.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Hang your flag. Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. You gotta show. Put the pro. Put the pronouns in the bio.

[Joe Rogan]

Where's your Black Lives Matter sign? It's like it's. Human beings just want to become a part of a group, man.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, you want. It's like. It's like finding your community is, like, so huge.

[Joe Rogan]

Huge.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And it's like. I think a big issue is when you find it online, because then it becomes like, this weird, parasocial, like. Or. Yeah. And it's like, you got to Find your, like, group. Like, you're. I mean, that's why I like, the. The good part about religion that I really like is, like, if it's done right, it's like a loving community. And it's like a. Yeah. Like, you know, I mean, like, it's people. It's a support system. It's like.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. Very friendly.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's a warm environment. Everybody goes there with the same purpose.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Mm.

[Joe Rogan]

This Rebecca Lamav lady. That was that. I told you, there's a. The expert in mind control. One of the things she talked about, the dangers of echo chambers. You get in these echo chambers online, and, you know, everybody says the same thing, thinks the same thing, and then all of a sudden, you're locked into this way of thinking.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It's online, like, really dangerous, where people just sort of have everyone sort of reinforcing all these ideas. You never get any outside information.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Only exists in this echo chamber.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And then that's how you become your politics, become your personality.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. Your whole life.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. And it's such a. It's such a crazy thing. It's so new because I. I wasn't aware in 1996, but I will very confidently say people weren't like, either, like, Bob Dole. You get the. Out of my house.

[Joe Rogan]

No, it was no big deal.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When I was a kid, when, you know, politics was on, just on television and the newspapers, nobody gave a. Who you supported. They didn't care. Maybe they thought you were an idiot because you're going to vote for that guy. Oh, that guy's a. You're crazy. But there was no. Like, we couldn't talk at the dinner table. We couldn't. You know, it became everything, every part of your identity. Fight against this. We are fighting against fascism by using fascism.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

We're gonna stop the election. Election. We're going to remove people from social media. We're going to shut down these voices.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And then we'll give you the candidate to vote for.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. To preserve democracy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. But it is, like, because it's so annoying. Like, especially, you know, you could. I. I'm an Austin comic now. And people will be like, oh, so you do comedy? So you must be like an alt right wing comic because it's like, no, I just do comedy. Like, you know, like, there's a lot of. There's a lot of stage time in the city. And that's sort of the whole point of. Of the whole exercise is to get up on stage and, bro, how many.

[Joe Rogan]

Times do we, like, Duke it out with Ron White in the green room. Most friendly, hilarious way.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Tony and I are roasting him.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, you know what's funny is that ironically, people online, for whatever reason, Ron White's face is used a lot to come up on conservative memes.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, because conservatives love him.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I know. And it's so funny to me every time. Every time you're like, wow, y' all really think Lawrence is like deep red conservative. That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so funny because you get to know him, he's the most liberal amongst us.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, he's the most liberal guy in.

[Joe Rogan]

The green room first. And then Brian Simpson's too.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, but Brian Simpson, it makes sense.

[Joe Rogan]

To me because, you know, used a lot of social services, you know, had like a rough stretch as a child. That's me too. That's like, not as bad as him, but the same kind of reasoning for like, social safety nets are important. They keep people fed bed, you know.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, that's super important, man.

[Hassan Ahmad]

You know, people give people access to medicine. That's very important.

[Joe Rogan]

Sometimes people are poor and sometimes people get sick when they're poor. And the fact that could bankrupt you for your. The whole life. Like if you break a leg, you're bankrupt for your whole life.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That could bankrupt you if you're middle class poor.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, yes.

[Hassan Ahmad]

The price of, the price of medicine in like in this country is absolute insane insanity.

[Joe Rogan]

Right? Yeah. And the pack, the people don't agree on that. Or the, like the, the education thing that we bring up ad nauseam. The fact that that's the only loans you can never get out of with bankruptcy. That's crazy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

And you get them when you're 18. Are you out of your mind? Like, that's so predatory.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Super predatory. Super, super predatory. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Take a kid and give him a credit card with a 39 interest rate. Like.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. And then, and then you told them, like, if you go to college, like, it's gonna be better for you on the other end. And it's like, that's not true at all.

[Joe Rogan]

No, not true at all.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, especially if you like, got a. Just a degree in like something that doesn't pay lucratively.

[Joe Rogan]

I remember when I first started becoming successful as a comedian, where I was actually making a living as a comedian and I had friends that did the whole college thing and got jobs and they were fucking miserable because we're, we're both in our 20s and they were out there in the workforce just fucking tired all the time, and they were upset they were upset that I didn't do that. And yet I'm making money, I'm traveling around, I'm having a good time, hanging out my friends. I've got no one telling me what to do. Write my own material, book my own flights. No boss.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you could see, like, fuck. You weren't. This is not. You're supposed to be a loser.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Mm.

[Joe Rogan]

I was. I did the right thing.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Dude, you ever. Have you ever seen the Jim Carrey commencement speech or, like, graduation speech he gave at a college? Dude, I saw this, so I started. I started comedy my third year of college. So my fourth year, I'm, like, weighing out whether. What do I want to do with my life? I want to go into higher education, grad school, med school, whatever, or do I want to do this thing that I think I love? And my friend showed me the speech because he knew I was going through this, and he was like, listen to this as Jim Carrey talking about how you can fail at what's safe.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true, too.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Like, the route you're supposed to take doesn't mean it's going to lead to success. So if you're gonna fail anyway, might as well just fail at what you want to do, because at least you will have done that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And then if you. Because if you failed the Safeway, then you will always be like, I had this other thing I could have done.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And where could that have led me?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

And now. You know now.

[Joe Rogan]

So true. But however, the problem with that is, like, you've met open micrs that are out of their mind, and they're not going. It's not going to happen.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

No one wants to listen to you say anything ever.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You shut the up. Like, this ain't working, but.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, that's why I saw that Jim.

[Joe Rogan]

Carrey speech, and I knew I just had to stay on the path. You got any advice for me, Hassan?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, well, that's the. That's. You can't get that. That's the Mitzi quote. That's a sin to encourage mediocre talent. You can't be like. Like, no, keep going. You got the nicest way to be like, hey, there's other stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's the weird one. When people like that give, they want to ask advice. What do you think I should do? Like, what. What I really think you should do, or what do you want me to say? What do you want me to say? I'm going to give you the secret word. Abracadabra.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Oh, this is how you.

[Joe Rogan]

I have talent. Abracadabra.

[Hassan Ahmad]

This is how you make it. This is how you write a joke.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. This is what you got to do. I'll hold you hand.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what really happens with some guys? You get a hot girlfriend that is a comic, and then you're a really good comic, and she's terrible, and so you start writing her act. I've seen that happen a few times. What if it happens the other way? You got a really good female comic and she starts dating some guy who sucks. She goes, listen, if you're gonna date me, let me help you with your material.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Who. I don't know if female comics date down like that. Very.

[Joe Rogan]

They usually don't.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, they usually don't.

[Joe Rogan]

That call hypergamy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Because if you're. If you're a great female comic, like, the level of guy that's available to you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Is like Reynolds. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, what are you doing with an open mic?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Right. But if you're like a headliner who does theaters, you could totally have an open micro. As a girlfriend.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's totally, like, that's totally hot. Yeah. That's totally cool. Yeah. Yeah. But if, like, who's doing theaters right now? Now, like, if Ali Wong or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Started dating an open mic, I'd be like, yo, what happened?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Something went wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

For her to date an open mic coming.

[Joe Rogan]

Started dating an open mic. You're like, what are you doing? Crazy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Show me what pills you're on.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You're gonna take these away from me now? Whitney.

[Hassan Ahmad]

There would be an intervention. It would be a group of dudes being like, the.

[Joe Rogan]

Is wrong. No, no, no, no, no. This is Mike. He's a comedian too. What? Mike is all sketchy and weird, but he's built good. You know, he's got a big, big bulge of his pants.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Sits down like McCrone.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Sits down like MC. Being a female comic is infinitely harder because right away, people don't want to hear you talk about politics, don't want to hear your opinions on things. And, you know, you've got to, like, there's like, Christina pulls it off, but like, she. It's hard to be pretty on stage.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You know. Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Most. Most of the time you have to hide your sex appeal.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I was talking to Kim Con about that, and she was like, I. I wear baggy clothes on stage. Sam Lopez, same thing. She wears baggy clothes on stage. I mean, she couldn't hide being Pregnant, but, like, that's.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, she's. They had their baby.

[Hassan Ahmad]

They had their baby.

[Joe Rogan]

Derek's a daddy. Isn't that amazing?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, a little.

[Joe Rogan]

So cool.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy. He's gonna light a fire under him. Guaranteed. He's gonna work so much harder now. He's gonna be excited about it. And he'll have so much material, too, because it's just the whole experience of children, it's, like, mind blowing.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, well, I told him. It's, like, crazy. Like, out of all the things you've accomplished, you've finally done the thing you were supposed to do.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. While you're put here on Earth.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But yeah. Yeah, you had a kid and that's, like the most important thing. Like, all the arenas that you've done. That's cool, but, like. But this is what it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I know. The arenas is just like a little dance that we do together. We're really procreating, and then on top of that, we're making AI and it's alive now.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right, Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Job is almost done.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You got in. Derek probably got in one of the last babies. He's.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. One of the last people that need to have a kid. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's kind of fucked. But listen, that's how the thing goes, you know? Australia, Pythagoras didn't get to stay around.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. Eventually, it's gonna end. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Sorry. You're not good enough. You can't even code, dumbass, with your stone tools. Shut the. Up. We have planes now. You're not. We can't have you anymore.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you know, if you. Australia Pithecus, like, bro, your days are numbered. There's a Homo sapien coming.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Smart. Does calculus.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Not even Homo sapien. There was, like, other stuff before. Even before. Like, a Homo sapien to an Australopithecus is like. It's alien.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right, right. Many stages.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. It's crazy. With the same species, kind of.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so nuts, man. It's also nuts that we would think that it would end with us. Yeah, but we're the perfect. We got it. It's done. It's done. No, this is. We're terrible. We have nuclear bombs. We're in the middle of 30 wars right now. Like, what are you talking about?

[Hassan Ahmad]

We're awful, right?

[Joe Rogan]

We're full of. We got the. All this Congressional that we were just talking about with the insider trading, all the lies, all the different things that have gotten us in these different wars. Why would you want to stay this.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, this. The devil you Know versus the W. Don't like this is like, we can handle this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, it's not us. Well, yeah, we are not going to be around. There's going to be a new thing. Just like dinosaurs don't exist anymore. There's going to be a new thing.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Oh, it's gonna. It's gonna be cool. It's gonna start eventually. These waymos are gonna start slowly taking people out. Yeah, these labels are slow, slow. They got to start taking people out.

[Joe Rogan]

All you have to do is just keep the door shut forever until you starve to death. And yeah, it consume you. Do you ever see that DARPA robot that they built? They built a DARPA robot called the Eater robot. E A T R. I forget what it stands for, but it's fueled by biological material.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Dude, sometimes I feel like scientists don't watch any movie or they watch them all of all.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I want to do that. Like, what do we do? What are we doing here? We're making weapons. All right, what's the best way to fuel these things? Is it solar? Should we get out there and fill their tank up with gas or let them eat bodies? And I think it was any kind of biological material. So it could be plants. Could be just plants.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It could just be just ground squirrels.

[Joe Rogan]

Ground squirrels, yeah. Maybe they fucking dead bodies on the battlefield and just keep going. Right. If you're a robot, an autonomous robot that exists on biological materials and you also kill people, you got plenty of fuel, right? You just eat a couple of those.

[Hassan Ahmad]

People, you keep going.

[Joe Rogan]

You imagine if they really design artificially intelligent robots that kill people and eat them, because that's the way to really do if you want to do battle efficiently. Well, what fuel would be the most efficient fuel to use? Well, what is the fuel that you're making with your task? Well, that fuel would be bodies. Well, when you run out of bodies, is your task done? Good. So then you just shut off because you're out of. Out of fuel. So you run out of gas when you've eaten everybody on Earth. It's the perfect design.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It's the perfect killing machine.

[Joe Rogan]

If you wanted to extinguish human life on Earth, that's what you would do. You'd have autonomous intelligence, artificial intelligence that absolutely knows where everyone is at any given time because everybody has a digital signature and everybody, everyone's connected to devices. And all you do is kill and eat people and just send them loose. And they would be indestructible and they would find you in buildings. They would fucking Go upstairs to your apartment, find you, and eat you. And when they're done eating everybody on the planet, they just shut off because they don't have any more fuel. Damn, bro. Damn. That's what you all have to do? Program a robot that eats people?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn. How far. How much time do you think we have left?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think we have 100 years.

[Hassan Ahmad]

You don't think we have 100 years? No, I don't think we have 100 years either.

[Joe Rogan]

Unless this is the other possibility.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Like the AI just leaves.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I'm totally talking on my ass. There's a couple options. One of the big options is we integrate. So instead of letting it eat us, what we do is become one with it. So instead of just being a territorial ape with thermonuclear weapons and a concealed carry permit, instead of being that what we are is connected through neuralink or something like that, or the next 30 versions of it from now. But just think about how quick cell phones changed everything and how much they've advanced since. What was the iPhone? 2007?

[Hassan Ahmad]

2000. I was in eighth grade, so that was 2006.

[Joe Rogan]

2006, yeah. Okay, so that's not that long ago. No, that's 20 years. 20 years. In 20 years, it's gone from being this little shitty, clunky thing with a bad camera, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

It didn't even have a camera at first. Didn't it?

[Joe Rogan]

Did it?

[Hassan Ahmad]

I don't think it had a camera at first.

[Joe Rogan]

It was the first iPhone to have a camera. Yeah, 100%.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it did. I think it wasn't on the Internet, though. What?

[Jamie]

That was part of the deal.

[Joe Rogan]

But it wasn't on the Internet, right?

[Jamie]

What do you mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Was it. You could. Couldn't get on the Internet with it, right?

[Jamie]

Yeah. YouTube was one of the first apps built into it. That's why it kind of grew so far.

[Joe Rogan]

But could you get online, like, and read, like, a website on it? The first one, yeah. Really?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. But the Internet was, like, super slow, right? What was the. The G's back then? How many G's?

[Hassan Ahmad]

I mean, I might have been the.

[Jamie]

First G. Like, the second or third iPhone was the iPhone 3G, and that was, like, the big.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, that's right. So the 3G one was the first one where it actually became feasible that you would use it as a web browser. Like, now. It's instantaneous, right? So now, instead of taking forever to download a song or a movie, now with the bandwidth speeds you have, you get a new phone New Android phone or a new iPhone, you're getting instantaneous, everything. It's shocking how good it is. The new. All these new Samsung phones, like the Galaxy that Brian Simpson uses that has this Google Gemini assistant. He talked to it the other day and he said, you know, send me this, that, that, put it on my calendar and then text it to a friend of mine. And it just said, okay. And it just did. It, it did all those things. What application would you like me to use? Google Tasks. It just does this for him. And it all automates just from a prompt. So he talks to his phone, his phone's like his assistant. Tell him, you know, set that shit on my calendar, put it in my schedule, send me a text message when it's clementine, put an alert so I know when it's coming up. Okay? It just does it all.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, that's wild. I've never. 20 years, I've never used Siri, so.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not Siri all the time. And then Siri doesn't know what the. Is going on. So Siri's always like, would you like to use Chat GPT? I'm like, why am I asking why? If you to keep going to Chat GPT, should I replace you? Because Gemini seems to have the answers. Gemini is way better than Siri is way better.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, because it feels like, and I know nothing about how AI works, but it feels like because Siri was already there. It's like trying to implement AI to an interface that's kind of old.

[Joe Rogan]

The Google interface with AI and the phones and all, the Google ecosystem is way better. It's just, it's way more effective. It's quicker, gets it. It'll. It'll follow a chain of questions. Like, you can ask it another question. How should I do that? What should I do with it? And it follows what you're saying, okay, it's just a better design and it's integrated with. So, like, Siri has to ask ChatGPT, and like, would you like to use Chat GPT? But what do you think? Yes, if you don't have the answer, go to Chat gpd, get me the answer. Whereas Google cuts that step out. It gives you the answer immediately. It's just better at. It integrates with Gmail. It's. It's just a better system. But they're working on it. You know, it's like all these things are getting better, you know, like all their. Their AI is getting better.

[Hassan Ahmad]

There's so much better. I mean, just the video we watched, like the AI Capabilities six months ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that video. Get out of here, get out of.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Here, get out of here, get out of here. And. And now you see it on like I'll see it online or like Reddit or Facebook or you'll, you'll see it where like people like, oh, you're falling for this AI thing. And it. And it took me a second to realize like, oh, it's AI.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of those. I posted one of a butterfly. No, a mantis. Like some crazy mantis that looked like a lotus flower. I was like, oh, that looks dope. And like somebody posted it on Instagram. So I just put it in my stories just cuz I thought it looked dope.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Even if it's fake, it's still dope. And then someone said, h but why does he have five fingers and a thumb? I was like, doesn't he. Was he you? Jamie? Did you notice it? Yeah, Jamie does.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie's always like ahead of the curve with that though, because he's super skeptical and he does too much research into conspiracy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, well, you have to be. You have to be super skeptical. Anything you see now he goes, all.

[Joe Rogan]

Roads lead to Ohio.

[Jamie]

Everybody said to sending me bullshit all day. I have to fucking look through it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Like this is like talk about this on the show and it's just some guy with three heads or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's a lot of people that believe things. And the thing is like a lot of the stuff that you're fed that's fake, you're fed by people who want you to repeat it because they're trying to muddy the waters of reality.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is a great strategy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, if you, if you say it enough, it can be real. There's a certain truth to it. Right. So it's that.

[Joe Rogan]

But there's also say something that is real and attach a bunch of really goofy to it so that it's not real anymore.

[Hassan Ahmad]

So to make it be like, well, this if everything else around it is fake, this has to be fake.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. You know, you connect it to a Nazi apologist or something.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, this is nonsense. Or like the ua, all this UFO stuff, like there's so much of that stuff that seems like so hokey you don't even want to repeat it. And it's. But yet it's connected to things like gravity propulsion drives which were theorized about in the 1950s. And there's research was done on them. And it seems like some, maybe some Groundbreaking advancements were kind of concealed from the public, like, and. But then it's like I was abducted, and they took all of my sperm and, like. You know what I mean? It's like all these people that are connected to it that are goofy. You wonder. Wonder, like, how much of that goofy is on purpose to make the whole thing seem stupid, because what they're really trying to do is obscure something.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Okay, I see what you're saying.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I mean?

[Hassan Ahmad]

So it's like, I say it's a bit hiding it in plain sight.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Just like, we never hit it from you. You just thought it wasn't real because this guy was talking about getting jerked.

[Joe Rogan]

Off by aliens connected to Scientology or whatever. Just throw some nonsense that way. Flat earth, whatever. You know, just find some reason why it's kooky. Put. Connect it to, like, some person who channels. You know what I mean?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Make it stupid.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, oh, it's stupid. That's a bunch of stupid.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Connected to Scientology, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Connected to something that you don't want to talk about. You know Bigfoot. Oh, Bigfoot. You know what I mean? It's like those. Those kind of strategies for taking real information and muddying it up with a bunch of nutty and then send the Patriot Front to go protest for it. Like.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, right, right. Are those the feds?

[Joe Rogan]

That's what people say.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

And then there's, like, a thing online now. The Patriot Front was all feds. How come they're back, like, all sudden? They. They reemerged. They took a hiatus.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

They're back with season three. These guys are. They still wear the bandanas. They're still marching down the street covering their face. They still wear uniforms. Like, see, they're not even fed. There's no way they could be feds. I mean, that. That's over.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right, Right, right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

There's no way. Like, it's not like Cash Patel and Dan Bongino completely did a 180 as soon as they got into office. This is a different federal government now, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This is. Now it's truth. Truth social.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I feel like if. Yeah. I think things that people forget is that they definitely play both sides. Sides?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Like, I think because they were heavily involved in January 6th, and I think they were heavily involved in those BML, right, the BLM riots. It's like, oh, my God, the feds just. They want chaos for whatever reason, for more control.

[Joe Rogan]

I guess they want that, and they want us at each other's throats.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

They want people. They want the MAGA people fighting with the liberals. They want that. They want that and they fuel it. I see a lot of those pro maga posts, you know, like MAGA Mom 2000 and like appealing, you know what I mean? It's like how many these people are real people and they say, ridiculous.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That's like, I hope you're not a real person. I hope your identity isn't MAGA first, Mom second.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I really hope you're not a real person.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just I, I think, you know, whatever the number is, whether it's 50% like you, it's so hard to know what's real and what's not. I think the best strategy for me at least the best strategy is just tune the out.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why I like YouTube.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, that's.

[Joe Rogan]

I go on YouTube. I'm watching stuff about like ancient civilizations and car videos.

[Hassan Ahmad]

I'm watching your guy do puzzles. Like this is like way better.

[Joe Rogan]

Watching guys cook, I love, I think it's. Is it called Bon Appetit? I forget what it is. I was watching. I've been watching a bunch of videos on various restaurants, like how they set up. I love it, man. I, I don't know why, man. I love, I love watching people do something that they're really passionate about. And when you watch a video about like a really great restaurant where they're talking about how they picked the beef and. Oh, that's who it was. It was, you know that guy, Guga Foods. You know who that guy is?

[Hassan Ahmad]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Amazing YouTube channel. He's like this steak guy. He's like, he's obsessed with steak and cooking different kinds of steak. He went to Osso in Miami, which is like one of the, supposedly one of the best restaurants in the country. I haven't been, but this place. Oh, in Miami, they, they, I think they were talking about how they had a two year dry age steak. Dry age it for two years or they didn't cut that one up. They made another one for him. But you're watching this chef and he's got this like crazy live hardwood fire grill set up and he's talking about all the, he cooking at these different temperatures and he's got the peppers over here and he's cooking pineapples over fire over here. He's going to splice that up and put it in this. You watch so excited. And he's so passionate about ways making the meat and, and how they're using this like herb brush to put butter all over it. You're like, oh my God. Looks so good. Yeah, it looks so good. And it's like, I'm not getting angry, I'm not getting out. I am. That's it. This is the guy. So this is. I found the greatest restaurant on earth. It says. I'm speechless. So that disgusting rotten mummy dick is. That's a two year dry aged steak. But what that is is the mold from that helps to dry age all the other beef. So he calls it like the mother. That's why he's not cutting into it yet. See right there, he calls him the mother. And so then, so this guy takes him like a regular, like a two month dry age. Oh, 22 days.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Okay, right.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's like there used to be a place called APL that was in la and they went under during the pandemic. But Adam Perry Lang was the, the, the chef and he was really into dry aging and he had some year one year dry aged meat and he served it to us and we're like, whoa, this is wild.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Weird taste, man. Because it's essentially like being eaten by parasites. It's like, you know, mold is eating it should go back to those videos of that guy just cooking the same. You just had up. Look how good this looks. When the guy was cooking the steak though. Like, look at this. And they're making o. So go before that you'll see the steak. So he's throwing the, so he's got the fires out. And this is, this is osabuco. So he's pulling it off the bone. Go, go back a little earlier though, when you watch him cook it. Cuz this is what, what I like is watching it when it hits the grill. There's nothing like steak cooking over live wood. Hardwood, like burning hardwood. And this guy is just a master at it. And then he takes it out and he slices it up and puts herb butter all over you like.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

And this. See me, I'm not mad. No, no one's outraged. I'm not getting politically involved. I'm just enjoying watching someone cook delicious food.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Watching someone do something they love is always great. I follow, I follow this one guy in Britain. His name is Francis, I forgot the name of the channel. But watch him slice it back up. This guy named Francis, that. Oh, that's nice, baby.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at the, look at it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, this is my genuine happiness.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, look at his face. That's a real. You can't fake that kind of smile. And he's going to slice it up. Oh, Baby, baby, baby. So good, dude.

[Hassan Ahmad]

So. So I watch this guy on Instagram. His name is Francis. He lives in England. He's like. He, like, loves trains, trains, trains. And every time he sees a train, he gets super happy, and he tells you everything about the train, like it's route and its history, and you get excited. I love how much he's into it. Yeah, I love it. Makes me. It makes me happy every time he's on my. Yes. This guy. Dude, this guy rules, dude. This guy fucking rules, dog.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Let me hear him. Let me hear him.

[Hassan Ahmad]

At Little Bedwin, where the Kennet and Avon Canal runs rather prettily alongside the Barks and Hants line here. And it's at this road bridge that.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm about to see Britannia.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, my God, it's a 59.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, stop right here. Stop right here. Imagine how quickly one of those Colombian Mormons could get him.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, you know what's funny? He showed his girlfriend before. She's a dime, dude. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because maybe she's into trains, too. That's the key.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Maybe.

[Joe Rogan]

But he's.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He is a guy. He's a guy who's good at what he does, is passionate about it, and is happy with. That's attractive for women.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. I love when people really into something.

[Hassan Ahmad]

But, like, every video, just a massive smile. Just a train. Yeah, it's like. It's like a little hit of happiness. Happiness. This guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, look at him. Yeah, man. Like, whatever it is, whether it's automobiles, you know, whatever it is. I love watching auto. Auto reviews. Even cars that I'm never gonna buy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

I like watching, like, what do you think about that car?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They go over the way the mechanics work and how it's designed, and. Yeah. When people are into. Whether it's making furniture, it's just this.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Whatever you're creating is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

If it's. Even if it's just train watching.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Hassan Ahmad]

You're into it. It. It's like. It's like, awesome for other people.

[Joe Rogan]

Super contagious, this guy.

[Jamie]

This month he went pretty viral. He quit his job, cashing his 401k, took his cat, got a sailboat, went to Hawaii.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Jamie]

Just got there yesterday.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Jamie]

He went from, like, you know, 10,000 people following to 1.6 million.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. Sailing Underscore with Underscore Phoenix on Instagram.

[Jamie]

Just doing, like, daily updates of, like, yep, this is me. Here's my cat, here's my boat. Today. Suck.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Pretty cold.

[Jamie]

Pretty windy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we like. Because everybody has that dream, right?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Just Check out a society man live on a mountain. That's mine.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, they didn't film it all.

[Joe Rogan]

What is his. What's his Instagram again?

[Jamie]

Sailing with Phoenix.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you.

[Jamie]

This is the cat. His name's Oliver.

[Joe Rogan]

Sailing with Phoenix. Came up right away on Instagram or on YouTube, brother. Bam. Subscribe.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Damn, that's nice. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Subscribing.

[Hassan Ahmad]

You know what I find interesting with like, the social media and now with the. What I talked about earlier with the. With the streaming that the live stream people do is you remember. Oh, my God, that Jim Carrey movie, Truman Show.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Where it was like. Where it was like, oh, my God, look at this guy. He's been tricked and we're watching everything he's doing. And now fast forward like 30 years and, like, people are actively trying to become Truman. Yeah, it's like a very, like. I wonder if the guy who wrote that movie thought of that as a possibility of.

[Joe Rogan]

You remember the McConaughey one? There was a McConaughey film. TV, Ed TV. Same. Same thing. Following a guy around his whole life. And eventually he's like. At the end, he's like, I can't do this anymore.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

I'm gonna be normal.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Was it a. Was it a choice that he made or was it put upon him in that movie?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't remember. Did he win something?

[Jamie]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

He win a contest or something?

[Jamie]

Maybe think of someone that did just do this. This guy called the Outdoor Boys Channel.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, I watched that guy.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he quit. He quit too much to my family.

[Joe Rogan]

Can't it. He's really cool. I like this shows. He would, like, go places and camp and cook his own food. And there's a bunch of those guys that I follow. Follow. This one guy last night, he's in. It was like 10 degrees below zero. He's testing out the world's warmest sleeping bag. So he's got like a fire. He treks out there by himself on snowshoes with a sled behind him filled with his stuff. Damn. It's. But it's interesting, man. It's fascinating, you know?

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. People just want to. People. People are so. Are Will Watch people live life.

[Joe Rogan]

Watch someone do something purposeful. Like when you're out in the woods and you make your own fire and you have the warmest sleeping bag, you have to have that to stay alive.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

And that's why it's exciting to us, because everything else has no consequences. Our day is just like, should I stay awake and keep watching YouTube or should I go to bed? Should probably go to bed now. Give me one more hour. One more hour of watching bullshit. Wasting your time.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And this guy's out there, there in the woods, 10 below zero in this sleeping bag. All I could see out of is like, because everything is bundled up in there, freezing. Stoke the fire, stay warm, stay alive.

[Hassan Ahmad]

That stuff gives me anxiety. I can't watch that.

[Joe Rogan]

Me too. But it's also exciting. Like, you know, you want to watch him do it. And that Outdoor Boys guy was one of those guys and, you know, I think just got too popular.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. I mean, it was front page news that he quit. A YouTuber quit.

[Joe Rogan]

He's cool, though. He seems like a real sweet guy, Like a real nice guy. Like everything about his show and it's. It's interesting.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Well, yeah, it's like a lot of these people, these are people you want to root for.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

The sailboat guy, the train guy, him. It's like, I want these people to succeed.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also, this is like low production value. Doing it on his own self filming. Yeah. It's exciting.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. Just probably have to pay an editor and that's about it.

[Joe Rogan]

He might edit it himself.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not hard to do today.

[Hassan Ahmad]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

You can kind of figure it out if you want to really cut down the amount of people working. Working with you, you know, you could probably figure out how to do.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, you can just watch a YouTube video.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. You can just watch the time. You could edit it all yourself. And then, you know, you're kind of your own production. And then just by word of mouth, this guy got big because it's fun to watch.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. And like, pretty intense. The stuff he does.

[Joe Rogan]

Sometimes he gets out there in the woods, bro.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. I saw this one video of him where he like, oh, thank God I found this cabin. Otherwise I would have been. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine if that's your dad, though, though. And you have to watch in your little kid. Like, we almost lost dad.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How close were you? And I was exaggerating for the show. I knew where I was.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. It must be weird having a famous parent.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's weird.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah. How did you. How do your kids do it? Like, is it.

[Joe Rogan]

They handle it pretty well because they've always had a famous parent.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Oh, you didn't become famous.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Hassan Ahmad]

While it was. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That would be even weirder.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

That's the weirdest for them. That's like what's normal.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Right. If they always grew up in it, it's like, it's Whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Mm.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a problem. You know what's the problem? I gotta pee so bad.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Okay. Whoo.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's wrap this up.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Three hours, dude flew by.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Hell yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy. Tell everybody your Instagram. And, bro, first of all, I'm super excited. Watch you do stand up. You've been fucking killing it.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

Really fun. It's fun to watch. It's fun to watch you write and, you know, you wonder what I mean. I've known you for so long now because I knew you at the Comedy Store. To see you from there to where you are now, it's super inspiring.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Thank you. Thank you again. I'm glad, and I thank you too, for the opportunity for a place where I could work as hard as I'm able to work.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like you're making the most of it. We were talking. Me and Tony were talking about it last night, like you were literally making the most of it. All these young guys coming up, I used to have.

[Hassan Ahmad]

There used to be this. I watched. I love the Niners, and Steve Young is talking about his super bowl winning performance is like, I was given this opportunity to show how great I could be. Be. So let me show how great I could be. It's like, oh, if you're giving me this opportunity to, like, get up all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Let me write. Let me be. Let me be helpful to other young comics. Let me just be a part of this process.

[Joe Rogan]

Work.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It works.

[Joe Rogan]

See it work.

[Hassan Ahmad]

It works.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Hassan Ahmad]

So, yeah, I mean, hopefully you can follow me at Assange. Ahmad E H S A N J H M A D I have a podcast with my friend Derek, who's a recent dad. Yeah, Recent dad called the Solid Show. I think our chemistry on there is phenomenal.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's phenomenal. Derek is the best. He's so lovable. Lovable.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the maybe the most likable guy that's ever lived.

[Hassan Ahmad]

He might be. He's like a cartoon character almost.

[Joe Rogan]

So if you don't like Derek, how the are we gonna have a conversation? So everybody loves that guy.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, that's. Yeah. Oh, my God. And then that's. That's. That's my podcast. So, yeah, just follow me on there. And then I think this year, especially these last few sets have been having is like, oh, I gotta film something beautiful. I wanna. Yeah, I wanna. I gotta find a way to do it. But I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, we'll figure that out.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Wrap this up. All right, bye, everybody.

[Hassan Ahmad]

Bye.