#2339 - Luis J. Gomez & Big Jay Oakerson

Summary

Health and Wellness: Testosterone and Supplementation

In the opening segments of the episode, Big Jay Oakerson discusses his regimen involving testosterone supplementation and the use of peptides to enhance his physical performance. He mentions beginning testosterone therapy through a reputable company but candidly admits to not regularly monitoring his blood levels. Big Jay states, “[00:30] I'm going to keep taking it, though,” highlighting his commitment despite potential health risks. Joe Rogan expresses concern by asking, “[00:54] You don't monitor your blood at all?” This exchange underscores the importance of medical supervision when undertaking such hormonal treatments.

Personal Tragedies: Lewis Gomez's Father's Murder

Lewis Gomez shares a deeply personal and emotional story about the tragic murder of his father when he was just four years old. He reveals his intention to bring his father's killer onto his podcast in an attempt to seek closure and perhaps understand the motivations behind the crime. Lewis articulates, “[09:16] My father was stabbed to death when I was 4 years old. And then years later after prison, I was like, let me try to get this guy on my podcast and interview him.” This segment delves into the complexities of grief, forgiveness, and the human desire for understanding in the face of unspeakable loss.

Current Events and Societal Commentary: Protests, Policing, and Violence

The conversation transitions to contemporary social issues, particularly focusing on recent protests and the escalating tensions between communities and law enforcement. Joe Rogan remarks on the intensity and sometimes chaotic nature of modern protests, stating, “[24:11] I don't understand throwing bricks over overpasses.” The hosts discuss various incidents involving police raids, the use of rubber bullets, and the broader implications of these actions on public safety and societal stability. They express concern over the increasing violence and unpredictability in public demonstrations, questioning the effectiveness and consequences of current policing strategies.

Technology and Automotive Discussions: Electric Cars and Autonomous Vehicles

A significant portion of the discussion is dedicated to the future of automotive technology, especially the rise of electric and autonomous vehicles. Big Jay Oakerson expresses skepticism about the practicality and reliability of electric cars, noting, “[12:14] I don't think the electric car didn't really take off the way they'd hoped.” In contrast, Joe Rogan shares his positive experiences, emphasizing advancements in technology and the environmental benefits of electric vehicles. They also explore the challenges facing autonomous vehicles, such as charging times and safety concerns, debating whether these innovations will genuinely revolutionize transportation or face insurmountable hurdles.

Comedy Industry Insights: Evolution of Podcasts and Live Shows

The hosts delve into the evolution of the comedy scene, particularly the impact of podcasts and changes in live performance formats. They reflect on how platforms like "Legion of Skanks" and "Kill Tony" have provided comedians with opportunities to develop their craft and reach wider audiences. Joe Rogan suggests that podcasts allow for more authentic, unscripted interactions among comedians, fostering creativity and camaraderie. This discussion highlights the shifting landscape of comedy, where traditional venues are complemented—or even replaced—by digital platforms, enabling comedians to build dedicated fan bases and experiment with new content.

Mental Health and Self-Help

Mental health emerges as a crucial topic, with the hosts acknowledging the widespread challenges associated with conditions like depression and schizophrenia. They discuss the stigma surrounding mental health issues and the importance of seeking professional help. Joe Rogan emphasizes, “[34:02] I can't blame someone for having liver cancer,” drawing a parallel to understanding and compassion for those facing severe health struggles. The conversation underscores the need for greater awareness and support systems to address mental health effectively.

Anecdotal Stories and Humorous Banter

Throughout the episode, the hosts share various personal anecdotes and engage in humorous exchanges, balancing the more serious discussions with lighter moments. From playful jokes about everyday experiences to funny stories from their interactions with other comedians and podcasting mishaps, the conversation maintains an entertaining and relatable tone. For instance, Big Jay humorously recounts an incident involving smelling salts gone wrong on their producer, adding levity to the dialogue.

Conclusion: Embracing the Rogan Sphere

As the episode nears its end, the hosts reflect on their place within the broader "Rogan sphere," acknowledging the influence and reach of Joe Rogan's platform. They discuss future projects, including Lewis Gomez's upcoming childhood memoir set to release on December 2nd, and the potential for collaboration on shows like "Story Wars." The conversation wraps up with expressions of mutual respect and camaraderie, celebrating their shared journey in comedy and podcasting.

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This summary encapsulates the key discussions and dynamics of Episode #2339 of "The Joe Rogan Experience," featuring Luis J. Gomez and Big Jay Oakerson. It highlights the blend of personal storytelling, societal commentary, industry insights, and humor that characterizes the conversational flow of the episode.

Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The Joe Rogan Experience.

[Joe Rogan]

Train by day.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Thanks for driving, running.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The ever greater and thinner Big J Okerson.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Thank you, Manjaro. Shout out, Manjaro.

[Joe Rogan]

You're looking good, dude.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Big ups, Manjaro.

[Joe Rogan]

It's nice to see.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know, I am exercising too.

[Joe Rogan]

Beautiful.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You have to. Or it will just be floppy and weird and gross.

[Joe Rogan]

Or it'll eat your bones, I guess also.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yes, it'll eat your bones. Say, I'm real big on taking this stuff and then not really following up with, like, you know, I mean, I just started doing testosterone from a company that's like, you know, it's above board, taking it. But, like, they're like, you should make sure you monitor your blood all the time. And I'm like, yeah, we'll get to that at some point. I'm gonna keep taking it, though.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't monitor your blood at all?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, not me. With any regularity. I think you should probably do that. Yeah, they did it there. I know. Someone I know says they take testosterone and they have to, like, donate blood every month to get blood. So thick.

[Joe Rogan]

I talked to my doctor about it because that really doesn't make sense, but he has heard of occasions where people had to do that much blood or something. Like, how much are you taking? Like, what do you do? Are you going ham, bro?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

This man's health company saw me coming down the road a mile away. They offered me. I'm taking two peptides, and I don't even know we started.

[Joe Rogan]

Sorry, we couldn't wait.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Why even ask me?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know why. Why you're on the door. I was like, this doesn't make sense. Let's just start.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm taking two peptides that feel like fire. It feels like fire when I inject them.

[Joe Rogan]

But really, what are they?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I don't. Well, the BPC157, that's the one everyone's doing, right?

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good one.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And then something that's blue.

[Joe Rogan]

It's blue. Oh, methylene blue.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I don't know. It burns.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait a minute. Hold up. Methylene blue, you're not supposed to inject.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's not that thin. It's G. It starts with a G. It's okay. One of the letters, gh.

[Joe Rogan]

Methylene blue is weird stuff. It's. It's a dye for, like, fabrics that people take for its health benefits. Like what, the boost mitochondria or something? Yeah, it's really weird. Like, what exactly does it do? I should ask. Even though I take it, I don't take it all the time, but I have taken it. And I don't know. I couldn't. I couldn't describe. I couldn't explain exactly. Here it is. A medication used in the management and treatment of. What's that word? Meth. Oh, Methyl methymia. Methemoglobinemia. A condition where hemoglobin decreases its ability to carry oxygen. Huh.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Straight up.

[Joe Rogan]

But it started out as a fabric dye, I'm pretty sure, Right? Doesn't it say that?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What is it, two for humans?

[Joe Rogan]

I think it was a dye. Yeah. Which is so weird that a dye would have health benefits.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I grew up in a house of supplements. My stepfather was a power lifter, so I only know about creatine.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Sick. That's it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Creatinine was another one that would show up in the house sometimes.

[Joe Rogan]

Creatinine?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What's that?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I don't know.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Creatine twice. And he's just remembering it wrong.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, it was another. It was another word. Super creatine.

[Joe Rogan]

Creatine's legit. That stuff's super good for you.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. I just started taking Tongat Ali for my testosterone.

[Joe Rogan]

Creatinine is a waste product that forms from the breakdown of creatine in muscles. Huh.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Why would I take it?

[Joe Rogan]

There's another natural one. I think it's called turkesterone.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I know shilajit is good for testosterone. I asked my doctor to put me on testosterone. I think we talked about it. Because you're like, dude, I got. Don't worry. Your doctor. I got a doctor for you. And I was just like, yeah, maybe I. I'll just stop smoking weed.

[Joe Rogan]

You think that was killing your testosterone?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I think so. I was. It was, like, lower than it should have been. It was like, in the high threes, and now it's like mid fives.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, like a good doctor, what they'll do first is ask you, like, what do you do for exercise? What are you eating? How much do you sleep? Like, those things are all the first thing the doctor will ask you. And all that stuff's fucked up.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The.

[Joe Rogan]

They shouldn't just give you testosterone. They should be like, let's.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

My place did shout out Game day, Men's Health, 15 minutes. They'll give me anything I want in a needle.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a few doctors out there that like to go buck wild. Of course, I think they get incentivized.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I got PRP treatment in my hair. I'm not losing My hair. They just talked me into it. Now it's never going away.

[Joe Rogan]

PRP worked.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I don't know. We're gonna find out. I just got it, like two weeks ago.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Jay is a mark. His hair's thinning. He's it. It's definitely going to.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a bunch of topical stuff that you could use these days.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

There's like a finasteride topical. But I would worry that that would get into your skin and in your bloodstream. Like, that finasteride stuff is crazy. Like, that makes some people very depressed. It kills your dht, which is what keeps your hair from falling out. And for some people, they just. It kills their testosterone. They get like, super depressed.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. I started losing my hair when I was 18. I just said, fuck it, I was bald.

[Joe Rogan]

I love not having to talk to a barber.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's the best. You shave it, which is a big razor.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

How do you find out how much that your barber doesn't know you, but is a big fan of Ralph Barbosa? You guys aren't going to find that out.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know you, but Ralph Barbosa, do you know. Oh, Kenny.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

His name's Kenny. He's a nice enough guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Ralph Barbosa. Slick. He's like a slick comedian. Like, his punchlines are, like, smooth, you know.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Great. Very funny man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's got a great.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Fully loaded with him.

[Joe Rogan]

He's like. He makes. He's got a fun. Like just his approach. It. It's very slick.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know, and he's sending the elevator down. I mean, he's going. Taking guys on tour that I've never heard of, but I think been around for a long time.

[Joe Rogan]

That's great.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Cool move.

[Joe Rogan]

That's great. Yeah, Very good, dude. He hung out with us at the Mothership one night. Fun guy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, he got popular for. He, like. Someone said on like George Lopez's show or something, they were like, this guy sucks. Or no, George Lopez was like, I don't get it. He's just whatever. And then, well, someone was.

[Joe Rogan]

I think someone was talking well about him. And then George Lopez was very dismissive of him. And I think that's what happened.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And someone asked Ralph about. On some. On something. And his response, I think is what made it, like, very popular. I think he was just saying, because he goes, he doesn't like me. Because one of those. One of his comments goes like. And I think that just, you know, you show any picture of George Lopez bugging his eyes out and make that hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

That's Hilarious.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's good. Good. Fire back.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Big Jay Oakerson]

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[Joe Rogan]

No, I don't like comedy beefs. I don't hate it. I don't like any beefs.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Louis, you've been in a few we've gone to bed on. I mean, I guess I have those same beefs too, but I don't engage as much.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, I'm the loser. I just, I get on a flight and I'll be on Twitter for hours just tweeting at people for no reason.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, but I mean like particular. Like a person you put a face to. Like a comic. Like, not that I haven't had a problem with somebody before, but I mean like, I don't know, it's I have a hard time like sleeping on, like I'm gonna run this person every night and we hate each other.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's been a while. I mean, I. I'm not. It's just not that serious. There's nobody in the world that I hate. Like, there's literally no even people that hate me. I'm like, yeah, dude, we're cool.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The guy that murdered your father, dude.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I tried to get him on my podcast.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

So the guy. My father was stabbed to death when I was 4 years old. And then years later after of prison, I was like, let me try to get this guy on my podcast and interview him. How interesting would that be?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But he was already dead.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, dude, that would have been insane.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, cuz I didn't, I wasn't like, why.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine being like a my father old man, like showing up at this young guy's house who. You stabbed his dad. You're going to be alone together. That guy's going to kill you. Yeah, maybe that's what I would think if I was an old man. I couldn't defend myself.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I don't think he was that old. He was 17 when he killed my father.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

So he was only 13 years older than me. So he'd be like 60 now. I guess. Yeah, but this is like a decade ago that I was gonna do that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Guy's a convicted murderer, dude. He could your shit up.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, but he was a kid and my father beat him up. My father was a bully.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What if he, Conor McGregor? He goes, well, Lewis, I'd like to say I apologize to absolutely fucking nobody at all.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, but I thought that would have been an interesting conversation. I wasn't like going into it being like, oh, you've killed my father. I'm angry. I got a great life. My father lived, I would be probably living Patterson, New Jersey still. I'd have a shit life. I thought it was a.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's what we always tell ourselves.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Drug dealer and a pimp. If he was alive.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it worked out well.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, but that's always. I said, hey, if my dad stuck around, maybe I wouldn't have the personality to have. And I wouldn't be where I'm at. So maybe it'll be way better.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, I wouldn't have my head of state or something.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Like, if I had that one sperm, I hit that one egg. I wouldn't have my son right now. If my father was alive. If anything happened differently.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, all right.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Ashton Kutcher.

[Joe Rogan]

That sucks. Imagine butterfly effect.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Over here. Guy watches one movie, all of a sudden he's gonna figure it out. And you guys ever think maybe we're just plugged pod somewhere and this is all nothing? I'm gonna see if I can fly real quick.

[Joe Rogan]

I think there's something to that. We're plugged into something. It seems more like it every day. It seems like this is like an advanced stage of the video game right now where like they're lighting cop cars on fire in LA and throwing bricks off of overpasses.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Dude. It does seem fun to order a Waymo and light it on fire. Nobody gets hurt. It's just hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

And I think it's directionally correct. Like you should probably start killing robots. Like you guys are. You're on the right course.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They're early on the war.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Trying to stop the Terminator, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

These are all going to be owned by corporations. That's going to be the only way you're allowed to get around because they're the safest. They're going to take away everybody's driver's license. It's going to get weird as fuck.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh yeah. But it's going to probably better. The car's going to go 200 miles an hour. Probably traffic will be eliminated.

[Joe Rogan]

I think they're going to be more of these fucking. I've heard that we just saw in la. That's what I think.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I've heard that teenagers are going back to smoking regular cigarettes now and getting away from vapes. We might move back analog a little bit. You know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Bring back manual cars.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I wonder if analog makes some sort where it slows down because people want it to slow down a little bit.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But it's too late. They do wanted to slow down. Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I mean the electric car didn't really take off the way they'd hoped.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The problem with electric cars is the charging times. Too much. It's too much. If you're a young single woman and you have to charge your car and you have to just sit there for a fucking hour.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I feel. I also feel that way. So I feel like you just call me a young single woman.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you're a man.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I was going to rent anything.

[Joe Rogan]

Humans vulnerable. But like a woman by herself is particularly vulnerable. Right. Like if you're a hot girl and you're sitting in your car. How many creeps that know that you have to be there for an hour. How many creeps can bother you?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's a great idea, Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

There you go.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Let's find a hot getting girls at the charging station.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I almost went to the Tesla.

[Joe Rogan]

One bucks get a large order and just walk down the aisle of Teslas waiting to find a hot one.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Look. Yeah, dude.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Have you, have you ever driven one?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Nah, dude from the 70s. Don't trust that electric shit.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I tried it. I was gonna rent one once and I was like, I was like, this is gonna be fun. And then I remembered you have to charge it. I was like, I gotta drive to fucking Rhode island right now. I was like, I'm gonna stop halfway there and charge the car.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think you can get there. It's just. Then you have to charge it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, I don't think we wouldn't have made it.

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's like the real mileage is different than the mileage it says. So it really should say like percentage of battery. But they want you to like estimate the mileage. But it's all dependent upon how fast you're going to like if you're accelerating a lot, if you're moving around, if you stop and go traffic. Like, who knows what the real mileage is if you're on. Like say if you get stuck in a crazy traffic jam for like four hours, like some explosion somewhere, like. And you, you supposedly have 200 miles on your car. Is that good for four hours of you sitting there too, with the radio on, with the air conditioning on. Like, when so are we.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

We're Team Trump then. Not Elon. Elon Musk if it's your stupid car.

[Joe Rogan]

If it's cold, they die quick.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

Quicker. Yeah, that happened in Chicago. Remember when they had that big thing where the highway got closed down and people in Teslas were man. Because they just stopped working.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Also, if you blow a tire, like Tesla has to come fix that.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Why is that?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I don't know. But like they have to come handle it.

[Joe Rogan]

Function of Tesla's. Those amazing. Dude, they're amazing. They, they drive themselves. You press the. He's like, where go? You trust that 100 and I go. And it just takes you wherever you want. It changes lanes, bro. It's nuts. You could, you could put on like dark sunglasses at night and just like have your hands on the wheel. It's that good.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't do it. I don't do it. But I have done it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Where?

[Joe Rogan]

But I keep my hand near the wheel just to see what it can do. It does everything.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, no, that's a bunch. But I did. I get like road paralysis where like if I'm like Driving for more than an hour and I'm looking at the lines. Not paralysis. What do they call it? Like road hypnosis? So I'll get hypnotized by the lines.

[Joe Rogan]

And I start falling asleep.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I start falling asleep if I have to drive for more than an hour or two at night.

[Joe Rogan]

You know how to fix that? Do you know how to fix that? It's real easy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Cocaine.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no, no.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's not good cocaine.

[Joe Rogan]

That'll work too. You're right. But you have to keep doing it over and over again. Get some ice and just a washcloth. Washcloth with wet washcloth with ice in it. And just rub your face.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Rub your face.

[Joe Rogan]

You wake right up.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Up.

[Joe Rogan]

And it lasts for like 5 washer.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I could keep in your car.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The, the smelling salts you have in the club.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, those will do it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Those will do it. I did a terrible thing.

[Joe Rogan]

You up. You're like. You might change lanes.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You maybe shouldn't tell this. It might be illegal what you've done.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, it's not illegal. It's definitely. This is a, I will say it's a bad prank to do on a girl. If this was a dude to do that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

This is a crazy dangerous.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Was a dude. Everyone would have been like, dude, great prank. But because I did it to a girl, it was a little bit fucked up. So we were at the mothership last time we were doing our podcast and our producer Alex is a girl and she's a big pothead. Huge pothead. Like real deal. So as, as podcast producers are also.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

A mother and a wonderful producer.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And a mother. Yes. Better producer than mother. No, she's great. So I, I had the smelling salts and I was like, oh, these are fucking strong. They're really particularly strong smelling salts. So then I go, Alex, I was like, this weed is fucking great. Give it a whiff. Then I gave her the smelling salt container. She put her nose in it. Dude, she sniff so hard. Oh, you know how potheads want to smell weed.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

She, I mean, it was a 30 minute problem. She said the word why a lot. I was like, when Nancy, remember Nancy Kerrigan got. She's like, why I sweat blood for you. I flew here for, to help you produce.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I felt so bad.

[Joe Rogan]

You should not do that.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It was, it was a. I, I now it was a bad prank.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But if it was a dude, that's big of you.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

If that was a dude, is it not just undeniably brutal?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. If it's a guy, it's funny.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Er, yeah, it's funny. It's weird.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It wasn't doing a guy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's funny. Depend on the guy. You know, like if you. You know, if you did it to David tell it'd be mean.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, before you do the Kurt Metzger he just starts punching walls.

[Joe Rogan]

Conspiracy theories.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Pretty girls. Being embarrassed though is funny.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's hilarious.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It is the most evening factor ever. I did a. When I was on tour with the bands years ago Korn did Jagermeister music tour. They always had the Jaeger girls would hang out and I was on the Jagermeister production bus on this tour. So the girls would all come on there. They would come and hang out and drink for free on the bus and you know tour buses you're not allowed to shit on a tour bus. And only one of the Jaeger girls asked if she could use the bathroom. It was just in the time we were there. And she went gorgeous girl. And she came back out and she was sitting down. And then the. The driver comes to start getting the bus ready to leave and just, you know a toothless road dog just comes in the bus. You go, somebody took a. And everybody knew it was this hot chicken fishnets and I mean just the thing. She was so beautiful that me probably my heaviest in my life. I was like, I probably could get her. Now she's the girl. No one's seeking her out and I'll still do it. Areas you can't clean up that good in a.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

So it's such a function that everybody has. But for some reason I never want to hear about a woman shooting ever.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Now what about the. The.

[Joe Rogan]

Why don't they develop a toilet that you can on. On a bus? Is that a beyond our science?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I don't know why it can't be. I'm sure there's something that can be done.

[Joe Rogan]

It seems like it should be done. I think they're just being lazy. No, on the tour bus what if you see that's crazy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But empty it out. That's the problem. So I think you can. You can shit on the tour bus, but the person that has to clean the toilet has to now empty out your shit amongst the piss like manually.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

With like a hose and shit.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's some dude's job that he has to like deal with.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

There should be something where you could pull over and those rest stops have like a thing that sucks your shit out. Yeah, like out of the.

[Joe Rogan]

That's very profitable for them. What are they going to do? They'd have to store. You know, you figure it out. That's the last thing you want to do is be in shit storage.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Truck stop.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Truck stop stories.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They're sucking my out outside. I'm in here buying jerky.

[Jamie Vernon]

The Dave Matthews Band incident in Chicago.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right.

[Jamie Vernon]

The bus driver let that stuff out over the water, and a boat went.

[Joe Rogan]

Underneath it and splattered the boat with doo doo from Dave Matthews Band.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Didn't you see a thing recently? Or they show, like, a cruise ship or something just letting out of the front.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think that's real.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought that was real, too. I think that's like. Like dredging.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'll be suckered in a heartbeat by an AI thing.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Do you know that super hot down syndrome girl is. It isn't real.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Damn.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That only fans. AI down syndrome girl.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, don't worry.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

God, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Nothing's real anymore. How many videos have you seen? Like, I saw a thing about Trump saying that they were gonna genetically engineer raptors and have the troops ride them to protect the border.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's not real.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's like, you see him that, you know, they brought back the direwolf.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And could it be done?

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, it's so hard to tell.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Weaponizing dinosaurs would be the funniest thing in the world.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, is that fake?

[Jamie Vernon]

All there's like. It's like a quick series of four or five little fake ones, but they look. They look real. And then they just go like, this isn't real, by the way.

[Joe Rogan]

Hi.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

From the Cedar Grove flood disaster.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Just kidding. I'm not real. This is Dana Brooks reporting live from Ocean View Beach. Just kidding.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not real.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

This is Charlotte Reed reporting live from Clearwater beach where an unidentified. Just kidding. I'm not real. Angela.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Is she implying the Kraken is real? The Kraken's real. I'm fake.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well, I mean, the amount of.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Aren't two babies talking to each other.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I watch ads with you all the time. Companies just use your voice in AI now. I sent you one at one point where it's just like, I was like, I know this is not Joe glazing this weird company for, you know, a 10 minute read. I was like, they really got him to do this, huh?

[Joe Rogan]

So strange.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. Do you try to put a stop to that or you just say fuck it?

[Joe Rogan]

You try.

[Jamie Vernon]

But the guy who made that set took 25 minutes.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Wow.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I told a, I told, I told a racist street joke on legion of skanks 10 years ago. And me saying the N word has been used in so many memes and little.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But it's so funny. There's black people react to it and they, it's such a funny street joke that they can't deny it. It's like an undeniably funny thing. So it's always black people trying to not laugh and they say it and then like, that's pretty fun.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Pretty great street joke.

[Joe Rogan]

Some words are coming back. That one's not one of them.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

These ICE raids are nuts, man. Watching this protest on television, it's like.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The raids are nuts. Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I think both sides are taking it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

A little too hard.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I don't think if they, the Trump administration, if they're running and they said, we're going to go to Home Depot and we're going to arrest all the people at Home Depot. We're going to go to construction sites and we're going to just like tackle people at constructions. I don't think anybody would have signed up for that. They said, we're gonna get rid of the criminals and the gang members first. Right. And now we're, we're seeing like Home Depots get raided. Like that's crazy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then you've got this big protest that's scheduled for the 14th that's literally funded by the lady who owns Walmart.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The protest.

[Joe Rogan]

Protest. It's like no kings. It's like a no kings protest. It's happening all across the country.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. Like criminals and rapists and you know, obviously. But then they go to like a college campus and there's some kid about to graduate. They're like, no, you're out. It's fucked up.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Rapists, criminals, slow delivery people. Ones that can't dance or play the flamenco guitar. I've got a list. I think it's fucking crazy how violent it's gotten.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't understand throwing bricks over overpasses.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's what I mean. But again, I think all these things. 90 of the people that are there, just like, let's rage.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, 100. Also there's people that are being paid to protest.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, they're saying they're.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's always the brick. Piles of bricks are showing up. Like there's construction sites around this house.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, no, no. That was weird, dude. I was in the city during that time. Uber too, during the pandemic. No, those bricks were just out.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I lived on a police block. I was barricaded in with them.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And I felt bad for the black cops.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No wonder.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The black cops and the black cops were like, like, sorry, man. And I'd have my hand on his shoulder like, you're gonna be all right. Shoot.

[Joe Rogan]

That video of the cops getting the rocks thrown at him from the overpass.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah, it's crazy. They have to hide under the overpass.

[Joe Rogan]

They're throwing them out. The cops. I mean, you, you, you're 100% possibly killing somebody.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, it's attempted murder.

[Joe Rogan]

You could. With a. You had a cinder block brick onto someone's head from an overpass. They're probably dead. It's good, Good chance.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I mean, if Lord of the Flies taught us anything, that's how Piggy died. That's.

[Joe Rogan]

This kind of can escalate.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I'm thinking of the Good Son where they push the dummy off the overpass.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah. Remember, make them think they killed somebody. It's. It's pretty wild what's going on. But I mean, I don't know. Like I said, everybody running out of like Louis Vuitton with a bunch of like, shirts and.

[Joe Rogan]

You seen that?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's happening too.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Other looting. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they're looting. I didn't know they were looting.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Hardcore. And I said, it's funny, which if.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I was a 19 year old kid, I would be out there looting unquestionably.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's. As soon as lawlessness happens, happens, people take advantage. It's always, that's always going to be the case. Right?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's. I think the whole. It is fun. I mean like these cops are just standing though, and like just under non stop graffiti. It's like murder. All cops. They're just like sitting there. It's like. And the people are. Some people try to talk reason to them, to the cops. Like, why don't you do the right thing and not shoot me with a rubber bullet?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you know what the problem is? The problem is there's cops that just shoot people with rubber bullets for no reason. Yeah, see that lady? That's an Australian reporter that got shot. Did you see that video?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's pretty hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

It's nuts because you see the guy do it, you see the cop just look at her while she's talking. She's clearly not a criminal. She's just reporting the news. And he shoots her in the leg with a rubber bullet.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The leg's hilarious.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's a really good.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's watch this.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's funnier than making my producer smell smelling salts.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Dude, it's a real dance bitch moment. Dance bitch.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy. It. I mean, I can't. I can't believe that he would do this.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

This is the chick.

[Joe Rogan]

Go full screen, please. Watch this. This is nuts.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Moving in on horseback, firing rubber bullets at protesters, moving them on through the heart of la.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

She's got the shitty Australian accent though.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Dance, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

They just shot a reporter. Like, look, that guy just points and says, fuck this lady.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's gonna be good promotion though for her 2000 person gang bang she's doing on OnlyFans this summer.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, what is that? Do you want to know why people get angry at cops? It's shit like that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I would say you shoot a white woman every couple minutes and everyone starts going like, oh, they're shooting everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that a thing where you're kicking everybody out of the street and the press thinks they don't have to listen for sure, so you don't want to listen. You're tired of this shit and you decide to shoot her in the leg, which is insane. That's so insane. You don't, you don't yell, lady, get out of the street.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Was there any shooter?

[Jamie Vernon]

This one happened too. After this minute goes down, this guy ends up shooting him at close range. What Is this, about 40 millimeter?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, I'm not going anywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

What's your badge number? Whoa. I'm going to pop you right now. Because you're taking up my focus.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Look, it's not okay. Okay? It's not okay. But I will say I grew up at a time where if you talk shit to cops, nobody had camera phones. Nobody think a cop would just fuck you up. And there's something hilarious about that cop just shooting that guy in the dick.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a thing about them rubber bullets, like you're shooting somebody, but you're not shooting them, right? Kind of half shooting them. Yeah, Right. But it's. You are like, you. What you want to do is shoot them, right? And you're not allowed to. It's against the law, and it's not right. So you shoot them with a rubber.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Bullet, and it's not right.

[Joe Rogan]

But you can shoot people when you really shouldn't be shooting them.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I feel like getting shot. The dick with a rubber bullet could have irreparable damages 100%. I mean, people have lost eyeballs.

[Jamie Vernon]

20, 20. This guy had to have portions of his.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I do have a hard time feeling what.

[Joe Rogan]

Say what? Say that again.

[Jamie Vernon]

Read it.

[Joe Rogan]

Says there he later had to have surgery to reattach portions of his genitalia. Portions. What are they serving it?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

How big is this guy's dick?

[Joe Rogan]

What kind of a dick does this guy have?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I wish. I wish my dick could be cut up into portions.

[Joe Rogan]

How weird is that?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He just knocked out the middle.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it. Which one? You have it for breakfast.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, man. If he break. If he broke the middle off, I'd be like, can you give me a longer middle? You put a longer middle back on, I get extension. I don't care if it's a different color. Just try to match it as best you can.

[Joe Rogan]

All this gene editing, how far away? Away from big dicks.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, you think it'd be the first thing? Depends who comes up with the science. The Asians come up with the science. That's first thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they have the science with the genetic engineering now.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

So you're saying before your baby's inborn, you'd be like, hey, also, I want my son to have a huge dick. That's a weird conversation.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You go, I'm thinking, monster.

[Joe Rogan]

If you just let your kid have a regular dick and all his friends have giant dicks, that'd be a real problem. You could be so upset. You mean you could have given me a giant dick as well?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, I want people to like you for you.

[Joe Rogan]

I needed money for bowling.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, great. I'll be upstairs jerking off with three fingers if anyone needs me Alone with no Friends.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I just remember being like 12, being like, when is it going to grow? Like, when's it going to get big? And it just never really did.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You just kept having that conversation with yourself.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, up until I was a full fledged adult.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Now's the time.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a sketch on Segura's new show.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

There's something that's a funny show.

[Joe Rogan]

Funny show, man. The hitman one was hilarious.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, they were. I thought the. The video game where the. The you play with aliens raping humans.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He said it wasn't. It wasn't about the guy. And it said part two was called Evan's Revenge.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jamie, speaking of UFOs, you see Lou Elizondo these photo supposedly of a real alien.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, here we go, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so dumb. The photos look blurry of the photos of the dead alien. Like, you can't even zoom in on that. You can't even focus. Look at these. Yeah, that thing. Look at that. What is that? What's that? What is that? How about better pictures? This is crazy. These are the only pictures. Is this from the 40s? Like, what's this picture from? What is this?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, people want to believe, bro, so bad.

[Joe Rogan]

Me too. I'm like, maybe, maybe the bottom ones.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It was funny. Somebody asked me, you know, Sean Donnelly and Dan St. Germain have a podcast now about alien encounters and all that kind of stuff. And they, and they both really believe it. And they were like, what would it take for you to believe, Jay? I was like, irrefutable evidence.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I have to shake hands with an alien.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The one thing I've never seen. Irrefutable evidence.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of shenanigans going on, for sure.

[Jamie Vernon]

This on the back of one of those photos.

[Joe Rogan]

Alien. Oh, it's 1993 alien hybrid child born to a 15 year old girl. Subject of ET genetic experiment. Under chin, neck and upper torso view, right?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Okay, so that's under chin. And then what's the other photo?

[Jamie Vernon]

It's the same. It's just the same. It's just one photo.

[Joe Rogan]

Wasn't there another one? It seemed like there was two photos.

[Jamie Vernon]

Just with this particular one that.

[Joe Rogan]

But at the top. Yeah, the one on the bottom. What's that one on the bottom? That one on the bottom seems a little like turned to the side, right? Is that the eyeballs? Supposedly.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What are those babies called that are born like that?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, Harlequin babies.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It could be anything, man. I mean, it might not even be human. I mean, it might not even, you know, who knows?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Do you think? I mean, like, someone like Donald Trump can hold in the information? Like, I don't think daily death.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, I don't think you can. But who can sit playing golf.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But who can sit on that information if you know that? Wouldn't it be terrifying to just. You know, it's almost that to play someone who knows about aliens existing think also breaks off and plays golf and yes. Decides what they want to have for dinner tonight.

[Joe Rogan]

100%.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think finding out vampires exist, it would change everything.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's a fun way to have information that you don't give to the rest of the world. And if you're the head of a giant defense contracting agency that's been back engineering UFOs for the last 50 years, it'd be probably pretty cool to know some shit that other people don't know and not tell anybody and still go to brunch.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But how are you not so consumed that you go.

[Joe Rogan]

Because there's, like, you want to start a new.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

There's news. Want to start a new Netflix series tonight? Like, it just seems like you'd be. It's the same way. I don't believe people have, like, speaking. The dead powers or psychic powers. You'd be. You know, I mean, it's never like, like, oh, what is that? Tell your loved one that you miss them terribly. They miss you terribly. I'm actually. You guys went to McDonald's. I'll treat myself to some, like, how does your mind go anywhere else? But, like, I'd speak to the dead. That would be consuming.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I would never sleep supernatural all day.

[Joe Rogan]

Talking to somebody about the War of 1776, you just go nuts.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's just not real.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

There was a video.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine you can just tune into any time and talk to, like, some Civil War soldiers.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You don't have a fate. You don't go pick out a new pair of sneakers while that's going on. I need new sneakers. I think you see that video where.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It was like, somebody. It might not even. I don't know if are real, but she was like, a girl who has, like, paranoid schizophrenia. And she created, like, a video of what it's like to have schizophrenia. Oh, my God. It's like these, like, floating, like, almost like.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, like monsters sort of.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. But they're, like, translucent. And it's like just all these voices whispering. It's like, if that. If that's how it really is to have schizophrenia that. I mean, I couldn't make it a day.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it I think it varies, like, a lot of different neurological conditions. Right. I think, you know, there's extreme versions of it, and some people have, like, mild schizophrenia, which is really weird.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, I mean, I've been impressed. I have someone close to me in my life that said mania, where they go manic. And I've only seen it twice.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's Hulk Hogan.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's Hulk. I've only seen it twice then. But, I mean, I'm blown away by how much your brain can, like, change functionality in a day, in a day's difference being like, everything's changed. You know, they're saying things that they've never said before and believing it and being like, you know, I mean, it's very strange.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, if you think about your body, yeah, it is scary. But if you think about your body as a whole, things go wrong in your body and, well, things go wrong in your brain, too. It's like, you know, you can't blame someone for having liver cancer. Right? Sometimes people just get weird diseases, you know, and the. The mental thing is a weird one, man, because there's people that. It's just like something isn't clicking. It's just not working right, you know, and they don't know what to do. And they're out there in the world and they're trying a bunch of different medications on them, and they don't know what to do.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So you can't be mad at Kurt Metzger.

[Joe Rogan]

Can't be mad at Kurt Metzger. I couldn't imagine. This is what I always try to. I always try to think about when I'm talking to somebody. I can't imagine what it's like to be them. Like, what is it like? What's it like to be Metzger?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, my.

[Joe Rogan]

Like to be filled with conspiracies just over and know so much about, like, secret society.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And nobody believes you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, nobody believes you. And.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And everyone's kind of like, hey, man, we're just trying to smoke a joint in the green room.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Hovers.

[Joe Rogan]

He hovers over you like a gargoyle. He's a goon. He's this giant dude. And he hovers over you. Oh, you didn't know.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I haven't seen. Oh, you didn't know. Last time I was out in la, when he. When he still lived in la, he came over to the Airbnb I was at. And always with Kurt. I haven't seen Kurt always in, like, months and months between when I get to see him. He's one of my oldest, closest friends in comedy. He's my daughter's godfather, you know, very close to him, which is a crazy choice.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, that's on Jay.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It was a strange choice, but he's good godfather.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a great guy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He's great. And yeah, him and my daughter have a great relationship. It's fantastic. But he is a whacker for sure. And he came in to the house, I was like, my man, it's good to see you. And he goes, you know, the P. Diddy thing is real. And that's why Usher, that, that, that audio of him, that guy was real. And that's. And he got Usher first. And that's why Usher. Remember when Usher was gone for a year because he had to get his asshole sewn back together? Like, what? What?

[Joe Rogan]

He just rattles and it'll go to Libya. All of a sudden you're talking about Libya. Gaddafi. Remember the thing with Gaddafi?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Like, I don't dudy T. He's one of the people that text, like, the way he texts. It's not just like, he won't send you, like, one long text about, like, just everything I say he has. Every sentence is a new sex. You're just getting, like, it just seems manic.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's undone.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And then after like an hour, you get back to like cool pool.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

When he came over. So we had a pool at the Airbnb we're at and him. And at one point I realized they go, oh, no, he's had Bobby Kelly in the corner for a while. And then Bobby Kelly, Kurt goes inside, Bobby swims over and he goes, so I guess the Jew lasers are real. He goes, I guess. Kurt told me those two lasers actually are pretty real. What's going on with them?

[Joe Rogan]

He just corners you. He just corners you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But I love it. I can listen to him all day long.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He's doing our show now.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Yeah. He's the best.

[Joe Rogan]

The best podcast guys. Guest. He's. He's like. He's just a. You just have to reign him in.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like Owen Benjamin, like, go in this.

[Joe Rogan]

That was a fun one. Take him in this direction. Go in this direction. Because he's just. It just never stops coming out of his mouth. Yeah, he's a joke writing machine.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, he's. He's a genius.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I say his day to day personality is genuinely. I always describe Kurt. He's the first person I see that price of genius where it's like he's so great at being funny and his mind works such a thing. But his mind, his brain, when you're not talking to him, maybe even when you're talking to him is just like. Is it like a division sign? Just formulas. Just formulas.

[Joe Rogan]

Like that meme 100%. That's how I feel like when I'm talking to Elon. Same. Same thing.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like you can tell there's like numbers running in his background and going on.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He's trying to figure something out while you're talking.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I mean, he's. He's clearly on the spectrum, you know, I mean that, that's how you make rockets and electric cars and also on Twitter at the same time. Be addicted to Twitter. Like, where's your time coming from? And you're playing Diablo.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Really? I couldn't imagine being that rich and ever opening Twitter. Like, if I was that, like, I was just like, I'm just definitely above.

[Joe Rogan]

Tweeting really rich guys. One thing that happens if you're really rich and people are stopping you from communicating and you get pissed off and you think, well, fuck it, I can just buy Twitter. Twitter. Like, nobody would do that normally.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

You need a wild person like Elon to do that. That's a wild move to say, I'll Just buy Twitter and then pay them way more than it's worth. And then everybody says you're a terrible businessman because your company lost $20 billion in value in the first year. But it's like, no, it wasn't worth 44 billion. He paid 44 billion for it because he wanted it. It wasn't worth that. Like, how was it worth that? And then we found out a ton of man that we wouldn't have found out about, like, censorship and, like, what. What's directing it. Like, it's what's keeping us at each other's throats.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You're saying almost just in the basic level of, like, someone his age, like, doing the same action that, like a girl flopping on her bed on her tummy and kicking her knees up is, like, doing, like. Like, whatever. Trump's stupid and he's on. He's on the list.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, I just.

[Joe Rogan]

I.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

If I was. I just. You made it. You don't need. You need to prove anything else. You made it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

What else you got to let him.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Find out in the newspapers? Doesn't matter.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not a good look.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I mean, if I had. If I just simply. I mean, if I got a. If I. If I double my net worth, I'm gonna fucking. I'm gonna disappear from public life altogether. Much less Elon money. That's insane.

[Joe Rogan]

I think you're aware when you have a lot of money of how many different entities are manipulating society. I think that becomes an issue. And if you can do something about it and you feel compelled to do something about it, you're literally one of the only people that can.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Do you think that he did do something about it?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It.

[Joe Rogan]

He definitely did when he bought Twitter.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Twitter changed.

[Joe Rogan]

He definitely did. With Doge just exposing some of the wild, like, billions of dollars, it's gone to who knows where with no receipts and.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But did they even do anything about it, really, or. He just exposed it? People talk.

[Joe Rogan]

Do anything about the money that's gone. I mean, unless they can somehow or another figure out where it was spent and whether it was valid and hold someone accountable, they. They're not going to do that because they want to make sure that that doesn't happen to them. Them. And they're just going to keep spending insane amounts of money.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I feel like they're still spending. They were like, hey, this is happening, but it's still going to continue to happen for the rest of your lives.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, here's the thing. If the. If it's been funding the Democrat machine for this whole time, which is what guys like Mike Benz allege. It's a little over my head to really explain, but essentially we're saying that there's so many NGO. You want to know how many NGOs there are? There's one NGO in India for every 600 people. People.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I don't know what an NGO is, Jay, just so you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Government organization.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, no, tell it to him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, sorry. Non governmental organization. It's just a non profit. So it's a non profit that's funded by the government. It's. It's real weird stuff, man. When you find out about it. When.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Future reference, if you can make all your acronyms, just say the whole word out. So, Louis, stupid idiot.

[Joe Rogan]

I. I should assume that no one knows about that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, I.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on, you do, but actually assume, because I didn't know about. Until I started talking to Mike Benz about it. I was like, wait, what? What? Like, how much money? And when you find out where the money was going and what it was doing, it's like, he said, it's all for stuff that's too dirty for the CIA. I was like, jesus Christ. And he lays it out, like, hours long presentation, explains how it's all.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

What's.

[Joe Rogan]

What's the root of it all. And it's like, it's really spooky stuff because you. You realize like, how corrupt our society actually truly is.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Do you enjoy having the burden of information?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I hate it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Why? Like, where does your.

[Joe Rogan]

Whereas your Bigfoot podcast.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Where does your, like, political. Give a stop, really?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I just don't want the world to fall apart.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's all it is.

[Joe Rogan]

I just. I'm not politically aligned with either the left or the right. I believe in a lot of that the left believes in.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

And I believe in a lot of that the right believes in. I just don't believe in any of the shit that the extremists on either side believe in.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's the problem.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. When you're attacking people at construction sites, it's like, come on. On. Like, what are you. What are we doing? Like, you want everybody out? I feel like once you get in, let's take a test. Let's see. You know, like, do you. Are you the type of guy that shows up at work? Are you the type of guy that respects America? Do you like being here?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Is it too easy to get in, though?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You had a great analogy at the movie theater.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

My movie theater analogy is killer.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's a great analogy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I said, I've snuck into A movie before, sit in an empty seat that no one taken. It's not even taking up any kind of space. If they come in and go, hey, where's your ticket? I go, I don't have one. They go, you have to go. You gotta go, man. I can't. You can't be like, ah, dude, I've already watched an hour of it, so why.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And I feel like you should let them finish the movie.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm just saying. I'm not even saying you shouldn't let. I'm saying it's discretion to let them finish the movie or not. I'm just making the point to be like, this movie theater was built on my people's land. It's just, to me, it's just like a weird, like, reaction to getting caught, being like, well, but I've already been here. It's like, I've gotten away with it for so long. Yeah, it's still someone's stuff, and they find it, 20 years later, you go, well, it's been mine for 20 years.

[Joe Rogan]

But also. I totally agree with you, and it's a funny joke. But also, if you're living in Mexico and you're a young person and you figure out a way to sneak across the border, you get gainfully employed in the United States, you start doing well, you're involved in a business, you start raising a family, but there's no real path to citizenship because you snuck in. But you've actually become integrated in society and you're part of the American dream.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just. There's no path if you're dirt poor. That's the problem. See, if you're living in Denmark and you're white and you got a college degree and you're really good at genetics, you want to come over here and work for a lab, probably not that hard. You got to jump through hoops, though. You got to meet with the guy every six months or whatever it is. You got to fill out the paperwork, work. But if you're walking here from Mexico, you know, there's no. No clear path to citizenship.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You know, you got to marry a fat white woman.

[Joe Rogan]

Find a desperado. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's no. There's no clear path. And especially if you're integrated into. Like, I. There was a. A guy that I had. Was my landscaper for a long time in la.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He was Danish.

[Joe Rogan]

He came Dutch. He came from Mexico. He walked across from Mexico. It's like. And he lived in these communities. Like, he took me to they, they had chicken fights in their communities. And this dude had just roosters stacked up everywhere. Like there was like a hundred roosters in this guy's backyard. Not my landscaper, but his friend, he took me to his friend's place. They would barbecue a goat and cook root. There wasn't a English speaking sign for blocks.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And I was like, you should have paid him more.

[Joe Rogan]

So like, my point is. That was not my point.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

My point is like chicken fights.

[Joe Rogan]

Completely integrated societies that are a part of LA that are fully Mexican, you know, and, but it functions, it works like going in and raiding those people and putting them in jail because they've integrated into society in an illegal way, it seems.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And then it's all the people that are going, it's like, is my tax dollars. Like, guys, the amount of that our tax dollars goes to, that's. That should be a priority over getting a Mexican dad out of the country. Country.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's like, Joe, it sounds like you just want to keep barbecued goat in this country.

[Joe Rogan]

Here's the problem. The problem is if they're illegal, right? Which is what everybody wants to keep it that way. Because what if you let them vote and this, if they're illegal, then you don't have to pay them as much. And this is where it's dark. This is the dark secret of why people want cheap labor in this country. Because there's a lot of people that don't pay people what they're supposed to be getting paid. It's non union. They're illegal, everyone knows. And they want cheap labor, cheap, dependable, reliable labor. So they let people in for that. Tim Dillon was talking to me about this a long time ago because, you know, he used to be a real estate guy. Like he, he understands like the dynamics of it all. It's like that is a big part of what they want, why they're bringing people in. But the reality is, yeah, you should just pay people more money, you should make less money, you should pay them more money. You should pay them enough money so they can live like you. Just to try to have a giant business that pays people the least amount possible.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's.

[Joe Rogan]

It's kind of crazy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's most businesses I know, but that's kind of crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's kind of a crazy thing to do.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's very interesting. My, my ex wife's. Both her parents are immigrants and you'd be surprised how not like sad they feel for people being kicked out. Like, they're like, I think they have a very like, if like, we had to figure out how to do it legally.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what a lot of people. But that's also how people felt like when people were unvaccinated.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I had to take the shot.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Shot.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, like, why don't you take the shot? I gotta take the shot.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I didn't have to. I sought it out so hard.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. Jay was.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, my God.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You were so paranoid.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You were scared. Certain I was dying.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, a lot of. A lot of people got scared.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, I. I just scared the out of us. I took it and then I faked the second one, the booster. Cuz I realized that there's no way to these. It's a piece of paper. It's a card with like some random name on it. It's like. It was like. I was like, there's no way they're actually tracking this.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

My daughter made one on her phone to go in to a Cheesecake Factory. It's pretty impressive.

[Joe Rogan]

They're going to absolve you of that crime. It'll be in the future. It'll be like when they. All the people that dodged the draft.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They. They exonerated.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Wait, did I just admit to a crime on this podcast?

[Joe Rogan]

It was a crime. They were. They were saying they were going to prosecute people. I remember saying that. There was people that were saying, if you try to use a fake vaccination card, we're going to prosecute you. Like.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, but that's like saying they're going to put you in jail for not going to jury duty. That doesn't actually happen.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but that's way crazy crazier than that because that's like, this whole thing is nuts. Like, you're telling people they have to do this to get on an airplane. It doesn't even.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Have you ever had the Tylanis wraps at Cheesecake Factory? I'll risk it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Do they come to you for. Have you ever done jury duty?

[Joe Rogan]

I haven't done it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Like, that's. If Joe Rogan showed up to do jury duty, it'd be wild.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Are you familiar with this case? I'm familiar with everything. I'm a little familiar with everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Mildly.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. I think I interviewed the defendant. End the plane.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I've never done jury duty either. I've. I haven't gotten a notification in years and years and years, but I would just ignore them back.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I just took one recently. Pretty hard.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You. You died.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I just flat out moved.

[Joe Rogan]

Tim Dillon was just talking about it on the spicy wings show. What? Hot one.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Hot ones.

[Joe Rogan]

Tim, he was talking about how he did for a murder trial.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The guy was a murderer.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Recently?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he was talking about it recently. It was a long time ago, but he was. Did jury duty and he was, like, joking around with the defendant, see if.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I was guaranteed that I'd go show up. It's just what you're gonna get is like a tax something or a business argument or some kind of shit, and that's boring as hell.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Now you have to pretend to be racist to get out of it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You got schizophrenia.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I hate. What's the last name of the one guy? Watkins. I hate black people. Jeremiah Watkins.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm too opinionated to be. Yeah, I mean, that's what I'd say.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The only time I ever showed up. The only time ever I showed up, I wore. I was wearing jean shorts. And they said, you can't wear shorts to. And I go, what do I do? They go, go back. You'll go back into the pool and just go home. They sent me home.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They sent him into a pool because he was wearing shorts?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Nice shorts, idiot. Get in the pool.

[Joe Rogan]

You can't offend people with your wardrobe. This place of the law.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I guess so, though.

[Joe Rogan]

How. When did they stop wearing the wigs? And the crazy. Crazy, like, you know.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Did they do it here?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I think so.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't wear the wigs anymore.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Right. We first came from.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, Pilgrim Court.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. That. Everybody had wigs on.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They still have it in England to this day. The judges still wear it. It's crazy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And Jewish women, religious Jewish women.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what? And any black woman came from syphilis.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The Whigs.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

How so?

[Joe Rogan]

All the people. This is what this is. So this story is a little complicated. This may or may not have been exactly how it happened, but it seems like when explorers came to North America, they contracted syphilis from the natives and then brought it back to Europe. And then a lot of people were getting syphilis. These people were freaks. They were all fucking each other and they were losing their hair, getting big holes in their face and shit. Like, syphilis is crazy. Like, rots your head away. And so they started wearing wigs because they had, like, big scabby holes in their head. Like, literally. It's horrific. And the more wealthy you were, the bigger the wig. So that was like big wigs. That's what the term big wigs come from. It comes from these. Makes complete freaks that all had syphilis that were all banging each other.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And if you have money, you're fucking just getting pussy left and right.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

So there was these two.

[Joe Rogan]

Two guys that were royal and they started it all. They started wearing the wigs when they got syphilis.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Wow.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Nuts. So then that's back.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's still. It's not the white man's fault. He's dirty ass Indians. It has to be Dirty Indian sluts.

[Joe Rogan]

It has to be why they wear wigs in court. It has to be right. Like, it has to be, like a proper thing, like wearing a tie or something. Like a gentleman wears a wig.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I should start wearing a wig. How fun would that be?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Powdered wig.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I thought about getting a toupee recently just to be funny and just show up with, like, a really high quality toupee.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamar car does that.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You should get a hair system, not a toupee.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, dude, I'm not going to another country to get my ass hairs implanted.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, no, not an implant, just a system. It's like a different. It's like more permanent toupee. It really looks.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, I saw a video today where this doctor was talking, and a doctor that I know was talking. Garth Fisher's his name. He was talking about his clients that went down to Turkey to get a gastric bypass operation. And then a couple months later, they're like, my stomach's bothering me. And the doctor's like, oh, let's check out what's going on with your stomach. How long have you only had one kidney? And she's like, I have two kidneys. He goes, no, you have one kidney. And then contacts the other two girls that were on the trip. They all come in to get examined. They're all missing a kidney as well. So they went down to Turkey to get a bypass, a gastric bypass, and they stole their fucking kidney. Kidneys.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Brilliant, yo.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Not bad, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine out there stealing body parts.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You only have one kidney.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I mean, that's. It's better. At least you all. Did they also get the gastric bypass, though?

[Joe Rogan]

They did, but I think they paid for it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Wow. What if it costs a kidney to get gastric bypass? There's fat people that would do that, right?

[Joe Rogan]

What if they didn't read the fine print?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, and it just cost you. This here's why it's so cheap. We need a kidney.

[Joe Rogan]

It's free if you have a B.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

How much is a kidney on the black market worth?

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good question, Jamie. Don't Google that.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Off the dome.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, you're gonna where does your.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's guess.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Where does your circle. How big is your circle of give a kidney if they need.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's very small.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You're gonna have to figure that out. I'm not giving up kidneys.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Just, like, what happens if you already have your kidney?

[Joe Rogan]

Not good.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

What? I mean, like, not as good.

[Joe Rogan]

It's two. That's why you have two.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But I mean, what.

[Joe Rogan]

Hello, science. Catch up. You can live with stealing people's kidneys.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You can live with one kidney. But how much does it affect you? Like, day to day? Do you exercise? So can you?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

What would it be?

[Joe Rogan]

Very good question.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think you live life relatively. Normal people do it for loved ones.

[Joe Rogan]

It's interesting that people get kicked in the kidneys all the time, but you don't really hear about too many, like, severe kidney injuries, you know, like, you hear about liver injuries. Like, you hear about internal bleeding from guys from body shots. Shots. Don't hear too much about kidney, dude.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Getting punched in the liver. It's the most painful thing. It's weird on the planet, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a weird feeling.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's crazy. It just shuts your body down. You roll around on the floor and start crying.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I thought.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think Mickey Gall told me his.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Mickey Gall kicked me in my kidney. Yeah. So I. I sparred with Mickey Gall once and I sparred with Michael Bispin once, and both of them put me down with liver shot. No, I'm sorry. Liver shots, not kidney.

[Joe Rogan]

Liver.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Liver shots. Like, but they call. Called it. Is this how good fighters are? Like, this was like, hey, watch this. Bang. And they just put me down. I mean, literally the whole gym of people cackling, laughing at me as I roll around on the floor. As a man, it's pathetic.

[Joe Rogan]

Do that to people. He does it to fans. He hits him with a liver shot. They ask him. So he's liver shot and bare knuckle. Ilia toporia. Bare knuckle liver shot in people.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You would. I'd rather be punched in the face 10 out of 10 times.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But Mickey said when he lost to Diego Sanchez, it was because his kidney started shutting down off.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's why he bit him.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet that is a weight loss.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He said that's what he said. It's from weight loss.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's a brutal thing that they do, man. Like Kayla Harrison, who just won the bantamweight title, bro.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, that picture of her weighing so.

[Joe Rogan]

Big, she's so jacked. And that her getting down to 135. I don't know how much weight she's losing. I don't really want to ask, but I do, you know, being not supposed to ask ladies what they weigh, but she was competing.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Professional fighting.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And when she was over at the PFL, she was fighting at 155. 5.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Her picture. Her picture of her at the. The actual way in was like scary.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's kind of up.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It was like a thumbnail from like crack whore Confessions.

[Joe Rogan]

See, this is the problem. The UFC had a 145 pound division and Amanda Nunes was the champion of it. Like for the health of both fighters, like that would be a good way. I mean, it really depends on if Kayla Harrison can continue to make 135 and defend the title, because I don't know who's going to be beat her. She's too strong. She's so strong.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That happens a lot with like the chicks. There's like a real dominant chick for a while.

[Joe Rogan]

The man that was KO power. Amanda was one of the rare women that she could just touch you and just blast you out in orbit. You know, it's usually with women, it's like a combination punches. Like, Amanda had extraordinary power. Like when she knocked out Cyborg. That was wild, dude. That was. She just folded Cyborg. I'm like, that lady can crash.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What was the. Was it Silva? This last weekend, there was a knockout. The guy was asleep, standing, and it was the most softest looking over, like chin punch.

[Joe Rogan]

Korean dude.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Young. It's like 23 years old. It was like he.

[Joe Rogan]

Joe sang you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He moved and just like it was the smallest little. Like he didn't pull it from the shoulder or nothing.

[Joe Rogan]

One of the best left hooks.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The guy was asleep before he hit the ground.

[Joe Rogan]

One of the best left hooks of all time. It was literally like this. Damn. Like he just turned it over and.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He'S a kid, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's young. No, he's not that young. No, no. Here it is. Boom. Look at that. I think he's 28.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's a lot of his momentum coming in too. It's like the perfect place timing for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

But he's also a really good boxer.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He's knocked out and then some dudes doing backflips in the ring.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's the worst feeling in the world. I always. By the way, I don't know how I would. I'm not a good enough sport for. If I was knocked out and they come over and start doing that thing where they're touching my face. A lot and be like, thank you for the opportunity. Go. Get the. Away from that.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of people do you jerk off.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I don't want to talk to you. He goes, hey, will you pray with me? No.

[Joe Rogan]

Will you pray with me?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

To who? A God that hates my guts.

[Joe Rogan]

That's so funny.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I've been praying to God this whole training camp.

[Joe Rogan]

God just gave me a concussion. Thank God. That's hilarious.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I guess God, I was training wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

This lady's got a problem because if she, you know, other than the Amanda Nunes fight, who. Well, who's gonna pay to watch her just steamroll somebody? You know, like every. If she can continue to make 135, if she becomes a marathon runner or something and drops even more muscle mass and can make 135, who the is gonna be able to deal with?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It was like Mike Tyson back in the day. It became a thing where they started, like, offering you money back on the pay per views if he. If he didn't last at least two rounds.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Did they?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, that was the whole thing. Thing. It was like, because he was knocking people out so fast, it was like, yeah, I'm not paying for this. This is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Everybody would look at a pay per view based on how long you thought the fight would last. Like $60, man. Yeah, it wasn't that much back then, but. But I remember people being bummed out. It was like a 30 second knockout.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But it was also fun to like. It was almost like Mike Tyson, his thing was he was so vicious and badass. Yeah, that was kind of fun to watch somebody that dominant, you know?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But also the crazy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I think the ufc, people, like, they want to. They want the back and forth. They want five crazy fights. Like, you feel like you're getting your money's worth.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I remember after Tyson, Holyfield, the ear thing, I ordered that pay per view and I was driving around that night afterwards listening to the radio, and people were like, like tons of complaining on sports radio. I'm like, you just watched a guy bite a hu. Another man's ear off.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Like, what if they would have sold it that way?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

$50 just for that?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. Before the fight. If they were like, watch a man eat another man's ear. Like, I'll pay anything you want.

[Joe Rogan]

Didn't he bite him twice?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, he didn't get it off the.

[Jamie Vernon]

Was for that fight.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The fact that Mike Tyson has 50 bucks back then he has edibles that are ear shaped. It's one of the funniest things on earth.

[Joe Rogan]

The fact that their friends Know Evander. Mike is.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Evander Holyfield has no idea what's going on.

[Joe Rogan]

He doesn't.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He'd be friends with anybody. He is Gonski. Evander Holyfield.

[Joe Rogan]

Is he? Oh, he was on my podcast a few years back. He was really? Yeah, back in la. No, man, he was like super coherent back in la. La.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean that was a few years ago. Seven years ago maybe. How long ago was Evander on the show?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Did he fight Vitor? Is that who fought Vitor?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that was. I don't think he had a real camp for that fight either. Yeah, yeah. I think that was a last minute replacement because Vitor was supposed to fight somebody else. Right?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Very few athletes will ever. I think at this point. I know there's bigger contracts now, 20.

[Joe Rogan]

19, so six years years ago.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But very few athletes will ever understand the idea of that. Like what those guys lives were like. Even like Riddick Bowe. Oh yeah, Riddick. Bo was champion for like two fights, you know, I mean and he was awesome. Didn't have. He's awesome, but he didn't have a long run or anything. And then right, you see his thing, it's like 14 acres with white tigers everywhere and all his clothes are silk. Like they're immediately like they were just getting handed like $50 million in one night. I know it's like you trained for that night, but that's a crazy amount of like. No athletes get that. Yeah, well, like anymore. Nothing like that.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a few. Canelo does.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Does he?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Canelo has a giant deal. Oh.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But I don't even. Maybe even boxing still has that with the pay per view like taken. I just mean some of these boxers.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You'Re making pretty nuts.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, but that sports the only sport. I mean UFC never paid like that, has it?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what the most amount anyone's been paid in the UFC for a fight. Fight. If I had a guess, it's got to be Connor.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, without a doubt.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I know Conor has made more than $100 million in the UFC, I believe.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

See if that's a fact.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Is that going off?

[Joe Rogan]

I shouldn't say that because I don't really know. I just read some article that tried to break down how much he made for each pay per view and how much he made at the beginning of his career. You know, like when he first burst onto the scene.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, It's.

[Jamie Vernon]

I got two numbers in the first results that says 39.3 and then down here says 108.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

It might include.

[Joe Rogan]

That's box.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. So there's like the pay per view bonuses versus, like, fight pay. So what I was going to say.

[Joe Rogan]

Is I thought he made a hundred million dollars from the Floyd fight, so it can't be that 30 million from that. So. 30 million? Oh, it says 30 million from the boxing match in Floyd. I thought it was a hundred million million.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And his biggest payout was against Khabib for 28. Five almost.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He's so 28 million. He's probably made the most.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But his life, he wasn't getting. That was an all pay per view bonus. That was a huge pay per view.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

But I'm. But he did get paid. I mean, that. But that's the only way they get paid anyway.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, of course.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, the pay per view bonus thing is great because it forces them to promote, But I don't mind a silent killer. I don't mind an Alex Pereira. I don't want to see him promote. Promoted. He don't have to promote. That dude promotes when he puts people into orbit. You know, just let him train. Let him shoot a bow and arrow at a soccer ball. Let him train. Like, don't pawn that guy out and have him do media everywhere. Like, it. Leave his energy alone. Like, you guys can do enough with promotion. From his highlight reel with a guy like Conor, though, that guy, like, if he can get on the radio, if he can get on a talk show, if he could start talking, he'll the. The number. Dana sees dollar bills like Scrooge McDuck. He's like, start. Throw gold coins in the air. Connor was the best at it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

What about the. A couple weeks ago, Aaron Blanchfield versus was a girl. She was fighting. They. They canceled. They canceled it as it was starting. They already did the package for the main event, and then they found out that Macy Barber had, like, passed out. She had a seizure backstage.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't want to speak out of turn. So it's some sort of medical condition, and she was in trouble, and so they sent her hospital to get checked out.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I mean, they. They literally said, all right, now it's time for the main event. And then they were like, like, well, never mind. We're not doing it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I don't. Again, I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think she might have had some health concerns. She's had a bunch of health concerns over the last couple of years. I think so. And then she missed weight, which is never a good sign, you know, when they miss weight. Usually something's off.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of times they're injured or sick or something, but whatever it was sucks.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That sucks for Aaron Blanchfield, dude.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You just.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

She's actually from my hometown in Jersey.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, she's a beast, dude.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, she's a monster.

[Joe Rogan]

Very good. Very young, too.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Or you're gonna sit him up, say something shitty about her and then be like, I know her, actually, D. Oh, I grew up with her. What an ass.

[Joe Rogan]

I was with Dave Porterfield, you know, He's a big fan of Meatball Molly McCann, who's great, too, but he's like, I'm betting on Molly. And I go, yeah. And he's like, you think? I go, dude, like, Aaron Blanchfield is the truth. Like, she's a problem. Yeah, she's a problem. She gets a hold of Molly and she just rag dolled her.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

If you were gonna Pete Rose your own sport, how do you. You think you would hit good?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I used to bet on it, yeah. But I can't affect the outcome, so I used. In the early days of the ufc when they first started having lines in sportsbooks, I would bet because I would see, like, you'd see shit like Anderson Silva. It's like, if this isn't an 800.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

To 1, Anderson versus Travis Luder.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, okay, that was. That was different. Okay. Travis Luder lost that fight, in my opinion, because he cut too much weight.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You think he. Travis won the fight?

[Joe Rogan]

He was. He had him mounted early in the fight. Let me tell you something. Travis Luder's Brazilian Jiu Jitsu was elite. All the guys that I know that train with him, like, oh, dude, he's like Ricardo Laborio level. Like, he's special. Like, he. He did the Ultimate Fighter and everybody was terrified. Like, that gets you on the ground. You're in trouble. He's just a machine in jiu jitsu. So I saw him cut weight and he looked so bad. His lips were cracked. Cracked.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

His face was sucked in and he was shuffling to the scale, and he still didn't make weight. He never made weight.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

So is that what happened? It wasn't a title fight. That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

He wouldn't have won the title if he won.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That was crazy. They used to give the winner of the Ultimate Fighter a title shot. Like, back in the day. That was like a crazy, like, just sort of like prize. Like, it's just changed. It's turned into such more of a legitimate sport now that you can't just give, like, the winner of a reality show. A title.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

America's Got Talent used to give a million, million dollar prize. And then one day, they just change. Like you just be part of an America's Got Talent show in Vegas.

[Joe Rogan]

Did they always give you a title fight? Is that.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I think the first few seasons, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I think Travis had had a few fights in the UFC before that dude. That was long after the ultimate fighter. I'm about 90% sure, because I know he knocked out Marvin Eastman. I remember that fight. And, you know, he fought quite a few dudes. But the. The main theme was when Travis got a hold of you, you were fucking, and he got a hold of Anderson, and Anderson looked. It was early in the fight, but then he got Anderson got him in a triangle. He just tired out.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And Anderson was blasting him when he first came in. It was crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

If you saw that guy the day before, you'd go, oh, my God. How is this guy even alive? He should be taken to a hospital.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He looks so bad. I've seen a lot of people weigh in looking really bad, but Travis was the worst. So look at this. He's mounted on top of Anderson early in the fight.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

I mean, I'd skipped ahead. He had him. He was mounted for like, two and a half minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, but he just gassed out, man. I mean, he just had nothing left. He lost too much weight, man. And so then Anderson got him in a triangle and started him up with elbows. So they came a point in time where you could see him visibly fading, you know?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I think if. Look at that mount, bro. Look how slick that is. I mean, this dude is so slick. Lick. Travis was so dangerous, man. He could have possibly submitted him, but he was just too big for the weight class. He shouldn't have been making that weight. So that's. That's my point. It's like, yeah, he was a live dog in this fight, is my point.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, he was tired there. That wasn't even really an escape that Anderson did.

[Joe Rogan]

He lost way too much weight, dude. He was dead the day before. I mean, dead. When I saw him dead, he looked like he might die.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Have you ever gotten talked to a fighter about the psychology of. Of, like, once you lose, like, when you're just like this dominant force, and once you lose, like, just your whole thing change. Like Roy Jones Jr. Was overnight.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, overnight. Overnight.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They said that one guy called him out, said he was ducking. He was ducking him. Then Antonio Tarver beat him. Then Glenn Johnson just beat him, knocked him through the ropes. It was just like it became like you just beat him.

[Joe Rogan]

But Glenn Johnson knocked him out where it was one of those scary ones where your arms are stiff.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it didn't seem like he hit him that hard either. That was.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It couldn't be real that it was happening. It was like two fights before that was the fight. Was the fight, I believe, where he. He's hitting the guy and he tells the ref, he's like, stop the fight. And then the ref didn't and he hit him a few more times. Yeah, like that was like two fights before it was just all over.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But you know what happened? Roy went up to heavyweight and he fought John Ruiz and then he dropped back down to light heavyweight. And that's a real problem. There's like he got knocked out, so it's like he's stiff dude. Like when you get knocked down and you're just like stiff here.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, Anderson Silva.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's so awful.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Wasn't it pretty much Anderson after the leg went in the fight, like, it was just like. He never really. He won fights since, but he never really captured back. Like we're just going to watch him. We went. First UFC we ever went to was.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

101 in Phil Forest, Griffin and a racist ass Philly.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That night for us in general was just a. A hilarious thing. We went with. It was me, Dave and Luke, us, all three of us.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The first white boy weekend.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

First white boy weekend. We went to like a Oz Fest or Mayhem Fest.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Mayhem Fest. Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And then ufc, Lewis and Dave brought their friend who I was not getting along with, and a girl who shout out crypto West. Crypto West. We used to. Louis used to date a girl who became friends with the group sort of. And she came with us also.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And she was a. We'll say she's a. She's a junkier girl. This is back. Look, this is back in the day when I was younger. It's like if you become friends with a girl, like, you can't separate friendship.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No one's gonna see her. You don't have to over explain that you. The girl that wasn't.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

She was really hot. I mean, it's okay, look, you know, I'm saying now I wouldn't have dated her, but yeah, she was a little bit of a chunkier girl. And whatever it was that we were just, we were just talking like, you know, watching the fights. Everyone's just being animals. We ended up getting to a thing with these guys in front of us. Like it was like it was maybe four, four of us And I want to say maybe three of them. We might have outnumbered them.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, I don't think so. At first it was just. There was like one or two guys just there. The other guys were gone.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, we.

[Joe Rogan]

A coyote trap. You show you one coyote, the rest of them surround you.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And we, we started talking with these guys. It just turned into like a, you know, we.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I mean, we shouldn't make this up. We're not looking. None of us are looking for trouble, guys. The guys were, I think we were talking and saying, like, being funny, and I think they kind of were giving us like, like a why don't you guys shut the up? Kind of thing. You know what I mean?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Like, we're being comedians, and they're like, really serious about watching an MMA fight right now.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

First one ever in Philadelphia.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They turned around, they start talking. So then we start talking to them. We kind of chump the two guys. And then their group of friends show up and they get wind that they just got chumped by these loser comedians.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They left the nerds behind, and they went and got merch.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, boy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

So then these guys make the nerds get merch. See, we're working, working with it became a whole argument. These guys started talking to us, and by the way, we were above them. We could have. We should have just.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, higher ground.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

We should have just dominated these guys. But whatever had happened, we just didn't want to fight and get kicked out. We're not like tough guys like that. So they start talking, and then this is like, it's such fight. It's almost like when somebody spits on you. One of the guys goes, it was like, you'll. You and your fat too, about the girl that I was seeing. And we all just acted like we didn't hear it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I would act like this, hear it. We just communally agree without even looking at each other. We were like, oh, these guys, huh? She sat there the rest night. I can't believe these guys were ready to fight for everything except me. When that was the final note, he goes, oh, well, you should stick up for yourself, lady. And then we just sat there.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

She's a big girl. She could have helped.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Then we went outside and pretended like we were waiting to find them, as in a sea of 18,000 people. Boy, God, we did look like jerk offs there. But then that was so funny because it was film Philly, historically, hilariously racist city.

[Joe Rogan]

And which fight was that?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It was Forest Griffin Anderson. Oh, that was crazy Forest Griffin. I mean, the. The applause he got when he came out. The ovation he got. They couldn't wait.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They loved him.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And they, they literally booed Anderson Silva. And then Anderson Silva handled that hilariously and quick.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And. And then when they fars Griffin left immediately. He didn't stay. He ran right out of the ring, which was a thing thing. And then they, you know, they announced the thing goes your winner. And still Anderson Silva and the place booed. It was such a sweet moment because Anderson Silva seems like his personality is good, it seems like. And, and they were like booing and they had him on the big screen and Anderson Silva goes like. He almost had like a really like. And he's like holding the belt and they're like, yeah, all right. You son of a. That was amazing. And then they cheered for him.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on, man.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Strange. But we saw, we saw like an 18 year old or 19 year old Jon Jones just walking around the arena that night. And I didn't know know I got into UFC way early. Me and my step up used to get like, you know, ninja versus sumo wrestler ufc. And then when it got like rules and everyone was kind of like, you know, trying to start doing like actual mma, I lost track of it. And Lewis and Dave were super into it. So you guys walk around.

[Joe Rogan]

It's funny, when the rules came, you checked out.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Checked out.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Me and Dave, we became friends. We were roommates in Brooklyn. We would go to the blockbuster, rent the old ufc. It was like ultimate knockouts, ultimate submissions. They had like a series of videos. And was it Mark Lehman? He would teach you how to do moves. Like in the. There was like a segment where it's like, hey, kids at home. So me and Dave literally living in the shittiest, dirtiest apartment with a garbage everywhere and beer bottles everywhere. We would have grappling matches with our buddy Wes. My cauliflower year didn't come from jiu jitsu. This is from Dave Smith. He would. Dude. He would literally open hand smack. We had open hand smacking rules. Political smack me in the ear.

[Joe Rogan]

Political punt. Maybe the best political pundit alive.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

How weird is that? I'm assassinate him.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It was a pothead wigger who was grappling amongst garbage with me. That's how he started on my couch.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

For a couple years.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you guys ever imagine he was going to be that good at like political commentary?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I. You know what? I shouldn't say no. I didn't know he was going to go to be that kind of big in it. The fact that he is great at it doesn't surprise Me at all. But it's.

[Joe Rogan]

His recall's nuts.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's interesting how, like, because I said this was just a good guy at a time. I said, we smoked pot. We essentially raised my daughter like a gay couple during the day. Then my ex wife would come home. And then we head into the city and meet up with Louis.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

How many times did your ex wife accuse you of doing gay with Dave?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know, it's funny. Before, one of the reasons I was able to give why I was leaving when I left was I went in her thing to see if she was. I was like, I should see if she's cheating also, right? And I went through her computer. Her. And it was nothing about her cheating at all. It was several times looking up what to do when you find out your husband is gay.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I was like, what?

[Joe Rogan]

What? Imagine being a woman married to guys and thinking he's secretly sneaking away in soccer.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's a video. That just means recently the girl, like, caught her. Her boyfriend or husband.

[Joe Rogan]

Looks staged. I saw that.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You saw? You think it was staged? I don't think so, dude. I don't think she's that good of an actor. Actress.

[Joe Rogan]

I think a lot of these are staged.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They might be.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, a lot of them are staged.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

She was losing her mind. You're that guy. You're him, Chris. Really?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Cheaters getting caught by their significant others. Though, as much as I felt that pain, I love those videos. That's a rabbit hole. I've gone too.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember the show? Cheaters Stabbed on a boat.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

All fake.

[Joe Rogan]

All fake.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

All fake.

[Joe Rogan]

I believe it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I've talked to so many people who've worked at Cheaters before and stuff, and recently I wanted to be the host. They brought Peter Gunn from Lord Tariq and Peter Gunn's Uptown Baby. Remember that song?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He became the newest host. Before him, it was Gary or Clark Gable the third. It was like Clark Gable's grandson. Seriously, it was like Clark Abel III or something. Jose. He died from a drug overdose. The original guy who hosted was guy named Tommy Habib. He was pretty great at it. Then the little guy got stabbed. Stabbed, fake. Completely fake.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you remember Morton Downey Jr. Of course. He was the best.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Mouth.

[Joe Rogan]

He was the best.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. He would just smoke on the show and just yell at people. He's like, all right, so you're a Nazi. Here's the Jewish Defamation League. Let's bring him out to fight.

[Joe Rogan]

This is what's crazy. There was a guy who used to work as a doorman at one of the comedy clubs. Like a wannabe comedian. And he would also get jobs on these reality shows. And the way it would work, they'd call him up, hey, we're looking for someone whose brother had an affair with his wife and he just found out. He goes, what a coincidence. My brother just said, like, that would be the thing. They go, great, come on in. We're looking for a guy who came back from Vietnam very disillusioned, you know, whatever the fuck it is. He would just say. They would say that to him and he'd go, great. And they knew it was bullshit and he would just show up and act it. They would just give him a rush. So you came back from Vietnam and what did you discover there? And he would just start talking.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

When it's real, it goes bad. They had the one thing where the, the. The guy, Jenny Jones, that ruined her.

[Joe Rogan]

Career completely, the guy was in love with.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, they were like, they were like, hey, I. I'll do the show, but it's not going to be a guy, right, who's like, into me. And they were like, no, no, no. And then it was. It was this. Now he's friends with two people, a big fat girl and a gay guy. And the big fat girl was sitting out there and he was like, oh, okay. And they go, no, no, it's not her. And they bring out the guy and he sits, says. He goes, oh, you lied to me. And his face is real, like, embarrassed. And he killed the gay guy later. And that ruined Jenny Jones career completely.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You know, Jenny Jones was a comic and she used to do like All Girls night. So at the club, like, you couldn't even be in the club. So they would do like a show where it would be all girl wait staff, all girl everything. All girl.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The least funny show ever.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The service is slow. The math is wrong. Wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

And then she.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No security. Latina gang fights in every bathroom.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it was just a regular club. It's just they just only got female staff to run everything.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's great. You sometimes see that was like an all female comedy festival here.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine if you tried to do an all male comedy festival.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It'd be hilarious. We have it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Skank Fest festival. Have you seen that?

[Joe Rogan]

You girls show up.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Did you ever see that? There's like, I forget there's some shift in some town town where their brag is like. And this shift is all 100 female police officers. Like, well, we know the time and.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Place, dude, let's lose.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, take over this city.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Don't do that with on A flight. I wasn't on it, but I've seen it where it's like. I'm like, just so you know, today all of the flight attendants and our captain and co captain are female. You're like, what? Let me off this flight right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Wasn't that the case in Toronto where the plane flipped upside down?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I think that was the movie flight with Denzel Washington.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They woke you up and they were.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, hey, the lady, she came in hot. She came in hot on the landing and flipped the plane.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, yeah. When it landed upside down.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I did.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, yeah, bro. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that was one of them deals.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

If I get a female Uber driver, I rebook my Uber.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, my God.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They drive so slow and buy like the. The laws.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Waymo.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I did. I've been in Waymo twice.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Because I. Yeah, dude. An Asian woman driver is the worst. There's a lot of that in New York City. Sometimes. Yeah, it's crazy. And they are slow and they do not change lanes. And it is brutal to sit there in the back and not yell.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I know. And then they're going exactly the speed limits. You can't complain.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Like, please break the law.

[Joe Rogan]

This is that guy who's one of the producers of Top gear in the UK. He got his license revoked because he went 24 miles an hour in a 20 mile an hour zone. It took his license away for six months. Months. How rough is England?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That town needs a Mexican uprising. It sounds like.

[Joe Rogan]

It sounds like they did an English uprising, but it is 20.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I was just driving from Manchester to London. When you get into London, the speed limit is 20 miles an hour.

[Joe Rogan]

That is so crazy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's insane.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

How many kilometers?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I don't know, but because the. My driver had. It was in miles per hour, like his speedometer, and it was 20 miles an hour. He was going. And it just feels like you're in slow motion. It's insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, do they. Why do they always use miles per hour? I think they use kilometers, right? No, I think they do use this kilometer.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I thought they used kilometers, but this car. This car specifically had miles per hour on the speedometer.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But you're on the wrong side of the road.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Is that weird?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You're a bad driver on the right side of the road.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well, I wasn't driving. I did drive in Jamaica, so. Because that was an English owned country territory, so they're on the opposite side as well. And I rent did mopeds when I was in Jamaica. And you get Used to it very quickly. Like you think it's going to really turn you around, but like whatever it is, your mind just flips it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And as soon as I drive into Canada, right away, even Canada signs, I'm like, oh no. Oh no, here we go.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

We gotta go east.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Oost Nord.

[Joe Rogan]

How many different countries use inches and miles an hour? Doesn't everybody use kilometers now? Doesn't everybody use the.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I still think they're wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

They tried it on us when I was in high school.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They tried to read, they tried to introduce the metric systems. If this is gonna be the thing that we all accept. And everybody's like, yeah, yeah, antiquated.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Not in this country.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I don't follow the Dewey decimal system either.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Nope.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Suck my dick, old people.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Whoa.

[Joe Rogan]

Fuck your kilograms. Yeah, it's a weird thing that one country just says, nah, we can't learn it that. I mean how many countries have. Have it. How many countries have inches? I think it's maybe England.

[Jamie Vernon]

It says the uk, USA and Canada keep miles per hour.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, so is that. What is. England has miles per hour.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh no. They have it like it's. It's double. But it's their main thing is definitely kilometers for sure.

[Jamie Vernon]

Everything else it's.

[Joe Rogan]

Everything else is kilometers. So it's like. Like six countries that have kilometer or miles per hour.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That or inches.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just weird that we didn't. I. I still don't know.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I feel like dick is inches in every.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You think so place. My dick is 36 DM.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

26,000 km. Do you know? You guys know, do you guys have.

[Joe Rogan]

A vast majority countries use kilometers per hour. 9% of the world uses miles per hour. US being the notable example. Interesting.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

So it's all the UK.

[Joe Rogan]

I wasn't wrong when I was in England for the fight heights, they measure people in stone. So they say 10 stone and then.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I have no idea what that means.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's £230. I think it's. Is it £13 each stone? It's a weird old timey measure, but.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You have to say stones.

[Joe Rogan]

I think so. Probably £14. So that would be £240. 10 stone.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think it was actually like. Like a scale. Just a scale with like the person on one side and stones on the other. I think it's what it comes from.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I do like England one though. It's shitty food, but it's still just a cool like London.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You like being the only circumcised person in a roomy piece of.

[Joe Rogan]

So no 10 stones, 140 pounds.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You said, you said it's 14 pounds per. Yeah. Okay. 20 stone be 240 pounds. So then you'd have to say the like eight, like five stone, nine ounces, then say the pounds afterwards. It was. It's weird, like why we're talking about weird things to keep holding on to stuff. Stone. That's a strange one.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Do you go and see the places in any of those weird destinations for ufc?

[Joe Rogan]

I definitely have. Yeah. Yeah. London's cool. It's interesting. You'd go into a bar that's a 500 year old place.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like there's some old in that town.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah. You know, and you see how New York was like designed after it so much.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And London's a cool town. I like, I like. Honestly, if I like cities that remind me of New York. So like, I love Rome. Rome's like the OG New York, New York.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's really cool.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

How so? I don't think you're wrong. I've never been. How's it like New York?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's just, it feels like. Because back in the day it was.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like the most Pope.

[Joe Rogan]

You like the hub. It's like very fast moving.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. They were, they were more advanced than everyone. They were just like, you know, architecturally, technologically, they, they were way ahead of their time with everything that.

[Joe Rogan]

St. Peter's Basilica is bananas. I think about that all the time. I think about it all the time. Like the amount, the amount of work involved in making something that spectacular.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The Sistine Chapel is nuts, dude. Michelangelo went blind painting it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Like he was on scaffolding and like paint was just dripping into his eye and he started going mad and. Oh God, it's so cool. And the details. And he wasn't even a painter, which is the craziest thing. He wasn't like, he wasn't. That wasn't by trade what he did. He was just a genius and could like emulate like that crazy ass art.

[Joe Rogan]

He could do anything. The sculptures were insane. Insane.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The art in the Vatican too is nuts. When you're walking through the place, like, how much money is all this worth? Like, this is crazy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's the biggest art museum in the world. And I'm going again. I brought my son a few years ago on a father son trip and he, I mean, he was a little eight years old. We, we did a four hour tour. We could have done an eight hour tour. It was so cool. It was just never ending. Just every room was more awesome than the Next, the big map room. Did you see that they had like a map. It was like, was like you know, 150ft wide, however many feet tall. And it was 99 accurate. And whatever year it was that they made it, it was like I don't know how like hundreds and hundreds of years ago. 99 accurate, drawn by hand.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I can't even begin to tell you how like I have no idea how that could possibly be done.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It was swore to me today he was going to crowbar an art talk.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I did.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I bet I can get Joe talk art.

[Joe Rogan]

How about their books?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I said he's going to think it's gay. And he was like he doesn't.

[Joe Rogan]

It's funny that art would be gay, you know. Yeah. When you. The books that they have too. They have a crazy library. Like they probably have some books from the Library of Alexandria they got tucked away in there.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well apparently the deeper you go like the more like exotic the is. There's like levels that you can only have access to if you're like a king or a.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why I believe people are capable of hiding UFO Information Nation. That's why I believe people are capable because they're people capable of hiding all kinds of.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But what's you know, hiding England. No one gives a. What are they hiding in their salt things for their food tastes good.

[Joe Rogan]

The King's List. Yeah this is when we had dragons.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But yeah, yeah, yeah. The history of dragons been stifled.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Jay doesn't travel. He won't go to other countries. I'm trying to get him to do shows like in the UK just.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I mean they have the Internet.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well you gotta figure New York to LA is a six hour flight. New York to Amsterdam is a seven hour flight.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Something I've done everything. Everything I did overseas I did probably or most things I should say probably a little young in comedy and intimidated myself on the situations. Well it's not because you're better so.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You can't go to like a nice, nice restaurant or like you you weren't that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

When I was in South Africa I was wealthy dude. It's their money is gar bage. But. But no but I'm telling you I've and I've enjoyed some of the places when I've gone to them. It's just like I am such a, a regular idiot that I'm just like I'm not gonna understand the food and what. What am I gonna plug my stuff into? Doesn't it explode if it's wrong?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Dude, Amsterdam is So when you go through, like, blows when you walk through the red light district, like the places where you could buy like, snacks, like, they know how many. Dude, it's so funny. They have like, like, like hot dogs on like pizza buns. It's so for like dumb Americans to be like, no, a hot dog on a pizza bun. You just eat this chocolate.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Chocolate taco.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Chocolate tacos are great.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Choco taco.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Choco tacos were badass.

[Joe Rogan]

I get it, Jay. Why travel it?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I, Yeah, I follow the Kid Rock credo. I just try to get famous here. Let's just handle it here. This is the best place to be famous. If you can get famous.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Who does it better than Kid Rock?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Nobody. The guys really figured it out also.

[Joe Rogan]

By gunning down that Miller Light, you know, Bud Light, rather that Bud Light thing. Gunned down those cans like that was like one of the craziest moments in economy. Like that the Bud Light stock dropped like a rock. Like that moment when Kid Rock guns down the Bud Light.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Kid Rock. Maybe, though, if we were going to appoint him something, it should make the minister of beer. Like he should be the person deciding what beer we should have. I'll accept that because his friendship with the President is hilarious. It's funny and wacky. There's been no other thing like that ever, you know? I mean, you never found out, like, oh, Bill Clinton and Iverson kick it once in a while, right? That never happened.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there was. What the.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, Bobby Brown and Joe Biden golf and crush ass together.

[Joe Rogan]

What the. His name that's friends with Kim Jong Un.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Rodman.

[Joe Rogan]

Rodman. Rodman goes over there and hangs with Kim Jong Un.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's the best document. Do you ever see a document documentary?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, treat yourself as soon as humanly possible to Dennis Robbins, Big Bang and Punyang.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, boy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It starts off as him going over there believing he's doing something diplomatic. And then they go, alright, so you're gonna go home and gather up some players and come here. And the documentary filmmaker goes on the flight back when they were coming back now to North Korea. He goes, oh, I noticed from the last time that Dennis has started drinking again. And he was supposed to be like, stop drinking completely. And then the documentary takes off because it's just Dennis Robin fucking up in North Korea for two hours. So he first comes in, drunkenly, starts bowing everybody. It's not a bowing culture. So that's pretty hilarious. He treats the North Koreans like they're dolls. Like, grab them and make them come sing karaoke and his points at them, like, while they say he just dominates the room and everyone's afraid of him and everyone hates him.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's one of the best documentaries. Is there a trailer for a trailer?

[Joe Rogan]

What a crazy thing to go hang out with a dictator.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, also basketball. Kim Jong Un also does not want much to do with Dennis Robin.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like, after his meltdown, he like, he, like, stiffs him. He, like, has Dennis Robin meet him at his, like, chalet, and then he's not there.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And it's just Dennis Rodman crying. Is this the trailer?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh. We're here today for Dennis Rodman to make a historic announcement following his recent visit to North Korea. The Ministry of sports of the DPR Korea invites Mr. Den.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I just realized how much influence stylistically you take from Dennis Rodman. J.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Almost the same guy. A lot of people say Mr. Rodman is on a private trip and our.

[Joe Rogan]

Views about North Korea have not changed.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You know, you got the jcs, the Beyonce, stuff like that.

[Joe Rogan]

None of these people in the world.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Are doing what I'm doing.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I am concerned, as many Americans are, about giving a birthday present to a man who is seeing. Wait, pause it for one second. This. That. Do you remember that interview on espn?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So they had him and the players that agreed to play go on there, and he loses his mind. Dennis Robin. But in the documentary, they show you the whole buildup to that, which is. Is the guy's meeting without Dennis Robin. They're like, Dennis is a little off his rocker right now, and America's turning on us. We're going to do this interview with CNN while Dennis is asleep, hungover, and we'll just do it, just us, and we'll be able to explain this better, that we're just trying to be diplomatic and do something here. And then Dennis Robin wakes up and finds out they're doing that. He just barges on and he just cuts a wrestling promo on this and he's just slobber filled. Makes no sense.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Who just had his uncle.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at these guys.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Look at him. Oh, so great.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you have to let the Koreans win when you go over there?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, it didn't matter. The Koreans did. The game was such nonsense. Like, at first it was the Americans versus them. They. This Koreans kept up with them because they're good and they're giving a and trying. Dennis Robbins stops playing. He just changes out of his thing and puts on street clothes and goes and hangs out with Kim Jong Il right away. And then he goes at halftime. He just Goes, some people switch jerseys. And then he goes, so we could play together. And he just has them play. He also has the audience try to sing along. Happy birthday to Kim Jong Un. When he starts the game and the audience doesn't know what he's singing, so they just start clapping too fast while he's singing. It's. It's really. It's two fantastic hours of television. I recommend it highly. Wow, I love that. Kind of just brazen, not seeing it. What's happening around you. Like, everyone's hating him and he's just like, I'm killing it. I can't believe how good he's doing.

[Joe Rogan]

That's great. So he doesn't go over there anymore?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No. Well, I don't think so. I'm sure he still drinks, though. You stopped drinking? How was protect our parks with no drinking?

[Joe Rogan]

It was fun.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And you're the only one not drinking there. Yeah, but then at some point, aren't you, like, wrangling three?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

People who are blackout drunk.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's okay. I've been blackout drunk. I know what it feels. Feels like. It's not bad. It's just for. For health purposes. I was like, I work out so much and I take care of my body. Like, why am I poisoning it all the time? And I said, let me just take a break. I just took a break. And I was like, God, why do I need it? It's like, what am I doing? Like, everybody's like, you want to drink? Yeah, let's have a drink. But sometimes you're just like, what is this? Like a force of habit, you know, Have a drink. Every time I do a set, have a whiskey, have a shot before I.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Go on stage and you feel like you're doing something. You feel bored when everyone else is drinking, drinking, but it's really. No, Like, I have way more energy when I'm not drinking. Yeah. I could stay up and like, be present. Like, I want to. I want to be in bed by 11 o' clock if I'm drinking or smoking weed.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, I've had three months off and I haven't had one bad day. So I haven't had one day physically where I feel like that has to be it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well, the other side is your metabolism. When I stopped drinking, I got really, like, just an incredible shape. And as you're getting older, like, even just like whatever it does to, like, my metabolism and everybody's different. But it was like a huge difference in terms of how I felt in the gym much. I could run. How much I could lift.

[Joe Rogan]

It's fun. It's fun. Poison. Yeah, it's fun.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

My doctor said those exact words. He's like. He was like, you're poisoning yourself. He's like, it's up to you. If you want to poison yourself a little bit, that's fine. Or a lot, you know, that's okay, too.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But that guy sounds fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They were trying to say for a while.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They're like one doctor.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Feel good.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember? They were trying to say for a while that one drink a night is probably good for you.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, like a glass of red wine, it's good for your heart.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what the problem with that is? Ora rings. If you have an aura ring, you wear one of those things and then you have it. One drink, you'll notice a difference in your sleep. Significant. It's real. It's measurable.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah. I try not to track anything that's going to be bad news.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They're like, hey, you should get a sleep. Study goes, why did know for a fact that I die 27 times a night?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. Isn't there, like, things you could do where you see a doctor and they're gonna, like, be able to essentially predict within a couple years of when you're actually gonna die?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

To Joe Rogan. Doctors, probably. I want to know, Joe, who's you send Bert to where they come and they put him in that machine like Luke Skywalker on Hoth. And they come out and they're like, if you eat bean, if you never eat beans again, you live to 105.

[Joe Rogan]

Bird is going to need more than that. Every time I see him, he looks more like a grape. Like, settle down, boy. He's capable of doing it on his own, though. Bert has incredible willpower. Like, Bert wants exercise. He just drinks so much.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's part of his thing, you know? So I feel like he feels like I shouldn't put words in his back mouth, but he was like, am I Bert Kreischer if I'm not getting up and having fun with the fans like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, if he does a show and he doesn't take his shirt off, people will boo.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, but he paid to see tits. I think he wants to take his shirt off. And they want it to come off 100.

[Joe Rogan]

I do, too. I run to the balcony when he's about to take his shirt off last time, there's a big cheer, the pop. When he takes his shirt off, everybody goes crazy. It's fun.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

When I did Birds podcast last time, I was like, stop. Let everybody get in your head. Head about, like, all these complaints are about Bert being the same person that we all are and also who he is. But it's like, now, it's almost sudden. Like, you know, he worries about that. I'm like, bert, people want you to take your shirt off, and they want to hear your stories about your family. You're letting people go like, well, you don't do it like this person. It's like, well, you don't tell jokes like Mark Norman do. You know, that's not what your thing is. So it's not a thing to worry about.

[Joe Rogan]

He reads the comments. That's the problem. You read the comments. He'll. With your head. No matter how mentally strong you are, if you're reading a bunch of opinions about you, it'll. With your head.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. And it's. It's. It's just like the same people who go on to Yelp and write reviews. It's just people that want to complain. So when you go on to social media.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's just like, you get. It feels like. Like, I have a pretty decent fan base. Like, Legion of Skanks. We have a really, like, healthy fan base. And then there's like, 30 dudes. Not healthy, not physically healthy. There's like, 30 dudes who hate me and want my son to die. And if you go onto Twitter, I'll just see that. And it does. Like, with you, it's not good. Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's all 30 of his followers.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's a lot of crazy people out there, and there's also a lot of kids that just want to get a rock eyes out of you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of things going on. There's a lot of people that want to with your head, but it's almost all unhappy people, unfortunately.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I just learned very quickly, though, like, the ones that I have responded to, even though I respond like, my thing was always to respond. Kind of funny. I'm not getting into fights.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Or so it'd be someone write like a two paragraphs about how terrible I am, and I'd be like, you know, come on, Jimbo, you don't mean it. And then how much they write. I mean, without fail, almost 100 of the time, they're like, dude, just being a piece of, man. I had a crappy day. Love you, dude. Listen every day to whatever.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You meet him in real life sometimes. You'll see. There's one guy who tweets at me almost every day where he says, louis J. Gomez has lip fillers. And he's trying to get this to be a thing to catch on. And then, like. Like, every day, he's trolling me, and I'm like, this guy. And like, for maybe two years, Louis J. Go. Lip fillers. He'll respond to everything other people tweet at me. It's like, just so you know, you're. You're talking to somebody who has lip fillers. I have beautiful Puerto Rican lips. This guy showed up at a show.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He had a little work.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Dude. He showed up at a show in.

[Joe Rogan]

It was a while for a dude. That's wild.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He showed up at a show in Raleigh, North Carolina, with a T shirt that said, louis J. Gomez has lip fillers. And then I was like, I should bite your nose off your face. What are you doing? But he's just like, oh, no, I'm a fan. Like, it's hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

He's just being silly.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He's being silly every day.

[Joe Rogan]

Being silly.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's part of the fun of being a fan.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, rise out of you. It worked.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

He got you.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's in the front row.

[Joe Rogan]

He got you. He got you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I steer clear. Clear of the comment just because that. Yeah. It's like, I don't know. I'd rather just meet people, and if they show up, I guess they're so sweet in person.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Because Skank Fest is, like, half of them are, like, people who are on Reddit and trolling, and you go to Skank Fest and it is just thousands of people that are like, yeah, just.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Just love particularly. It's like, you know, they say, how many times you, like, you walk by a murderer? It's like, how many times does Skank Festo. I walk by, take a picture, and shake hands with somebody. Was like, dude, you used to be good, but you suck dick at comedy now. All right?

[Joe Rogan]

You're always gonna get guys like. Like that.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

There was one guy who was a fan of ours in the old school when we were at the Creek and Cave back in New York. This is a dude who was he. Super black glasses, long black hair, and he was at every episode. He ended up murdering his mother.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Murdering his mother and then becoming great.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Friends with Doug Stanhope.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Like a jail pen pal with Sandhope.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, it's pretty funny. He. When he got out, he's out. He, like, lives like, a halfway house type thing now. Because it was a mental issue that he did that, which is clearly, if.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You kill your mom, well, you know, she might have been a.

[Joe Rogan]

She'd have to do something really bad.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

If you kill your mom, I feel like I don't care. You obviously have mental issues.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, but he had that. When he called us. He described it. It was like. It was like he thought she was like a demon that he had to stop before she got out in the world. He went. He went crazy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But I still feel like you should lock that guy up.

[Joe Rogan]

You guys been paying attention to the BJ Pen stuff?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He's. He's, like, losing it, right?

[Joe Rogan]

BJ Pen claims that his family are imposters. That someone is kidnapped his family and replaced them.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah. That's a very.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Isn't it funny when they hit the. With mania and manic shit like that and bipolar with those kind of things? Like, they really like their textbook. If you look it up. Because I've looked it up before. You look it up. It's texting one sentence at a time. A newfound thing in, like, religion and, like, being serious about it all of a sudden. Like, it's always been that way and weird. And they always have those things. That's one of them, too. Like, everyone's. Everyone's fake.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Everyone in my life has been replaced with somebody else they called something particularly.

[Joe Rogan]

Some of them think they have a chip in their head and people are talking to them. Yeah, Yeah. A lot of that. A lot of that is they have a chip in their head.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, this guy who killed his mom and Doug Stano became friends with Doug was doing a Zoom Skanks one time episode with us, and he had that guy call in and, you know, we were asking him kind of about what happened, and he was, you know, he gave a very compelling story, and we were saying goodbye to him. He goes, do you remember this? He goes, I just want to say, you know, when I was going through all that horrible stuff and the last several years that had been so difficult and terrible and my family hating me, but I still always. Man, I listen to you guys and laugh and I just want to say that I love you guys. And I was like, well, I think. I think I speak for the group. And I say, whew. Because we all are aware of what you'll do if you feel someone is a problem. Problem. So, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Or a demon.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Or possibly a demon.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. So I'm. The point is we have some great fans.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, you guys are doing record.

[Joe Rogan]

You guys are doing something really fun. You're getting all the misfits together, you know, and you're. You're celebrating comedy. It's. It's Like a real comedy, like a comics festival. Like, the comics look forward to it. Everybody loves it. Everybody talks so highly of it, you know, and everybody says the vibe is so, so fun because they. They just go there to see, like, you know, people were real upset when Louis CK Started to come back into the public eye.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But one of my favorite moments is when he went up at Skank Fest. They didn't know he was going to be there.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That was the first time he performed in America after he got canceled.

[Joe Rogan]

It was awesome.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. And it was. It was. I mean, it was wild. And what's beautiful about the fans, they're educated comedy fans, so we didn't even have to tell them to not pull out their cell phones. Yeah. Not a single person took video. Not a single person. Like.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they definitely did, because I watched the video.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I took that video of Justin Silver announcing, ladies and gentlemen, you know, special guest. And I didn't take any of his set. It was just him walking on a stage, standing ovation. It made tmz. It was fucking really cool. I mean, I was. I was. I was a pig in shit. I went outside. I got emotional. I was like, that was fucking so cool.

[Joe Rogan]

That's cool.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What was really neat about. What's funny about that moment was I was with Soder Dan Soder. And I was like. I was like, you want to come outside? I'm gonna smoke a joint outside. He goes, yeah, sure. And as we were just walking through that room, I wasn't even thinking about it. They go. He goes, oh, you know, we should watch Louie come on real quick. And I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, sure. Like, I didn't overthink of the moment you were about to watch was so crazy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It was really. It was really cool. Like, that was cool. That was, like, one of the coolest moments at the festival. That and then the tough Crowd. We did a tough crowd reunion at Skank Fest in Brooklyn a few years ago, just having everybody from Tough Crowd get together. And that's awesome. Yeah. Colin, you know, being at the head of it, that was awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

That was one of the best shows ever.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He should. He should just make it a podcast.

[Joe Rogan]

It would be a huge podcast, 100%. I wonder if he has the name, if he owns the name.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I think he does.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, then he should definitely do.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I think he does. I think he just doesn't want to.

[Joe Rogan]

I think, well, it might be something that someone needs to offer it to him and put it together, you know, like, if someone.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like, it could be something if you said it, he'd be like, I never even thought of that until this moment. Seriously.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

A lot of people have a lot of. He's. He's been approached with it.

[Joe Rogan]

He was great at the club. He was at the club a couple weeks ago.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He's awesome.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Colin's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

He was great. All the comics that work there, they all, like, lined up to work.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Watch him, you know, I mean, he's a real. Like, he's just such a pro.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also so long, so material. So interesting. Yeah, he's such an interesting guy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, he does the one man shows.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Fantastic.

[Joe Rogan]

When I. The last time I did a Tough Crowd, he warmed up the crowd, and so he's doing stand up in front of the crowd, and he was murdering. I'm like, this is way better than even Tough Crowd. Like, he's one of the most underrated guys of all time.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, like, all us comics know how funny he is.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He's like a real comics comic. And every. Every. He's like the. In the top three for. It's like a. It's like a tell. Like he's there. It's always like, top three for every comedian.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It was also, though, that place was like the Shark Tank, though, for something. When they got. Oh, yeah, that fan. I never felt bad for somebody more in my life when they had him on there. And the only segment that was produced of Tough Crowd you remember was the last one you had to write and give them, like, the whatever your little rant was going to be about the. I did it once.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

About that final topic. That was the only, like, homework you had to do at all. And that fan was clearly going to do something about, like, his mother and do the voice or something. And Patrice, right before he was about to his part, his fourth segment thing, he goes, hey, let's see if you can do two minutes without talking. Doing your mom vaccine. Oh, and then. And then Voss and all those guys just, like, start pouncing on him. And then he just had to go like, hey, you guys. So my mother called me. Oh, you had to do it stuff.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's all we prepared. Oh, man. But it was like an OG podcast. Before podcasting was podcasting, like, just a bunch of comics sitting around, just barking at each other, arguing. So fun.

[Joe Rogan]

It was fun.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Way ahead of its time. But then again, like Regis and Kathy Lee was a podcast technically, too technically.

[Joe Rogan]

If you really think about it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. The View, all these shows.

[Joe Rogan]

I think Opie and Anthony was the big start of it all.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

That was what started off for me because that was the first time I was ever on a show where it was no structure. Structure. Like, we all could be on Opie and Anthony. We'd be having this exact same conversation, except Norton and Kumia and Opie would be here. Same conversation.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it was just. They let you go.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I was more of a Howard Stern guy, you know, And I know so were you as well. But without Opie and Anthony, like, shows like Legion of Skanks wouldn't exist. Like, that's the truth. Like, we also. There's a lot of fans that are just like, just these 50 year old truckers that are just like, we need something.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And now our generation was having a much harder time. Like, it wasn't like back in the day when Stern was. Howard Stern was bringing on comics, all the comics, because that was like his crew. He was trying to build up. Like, we were past that. So we had no. There was no like, show that was like that for anybody. Which. Except for Opie and Anthony, I was Ron and Fez. You remember Ron and Fez show?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. That's the show that kind of like took me in that I job to. With best. Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Ron Bennington's great.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He's Larry.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He's the best.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

So funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there's like, you know, there's a whole. You could track like. Like Ancient man, you know, like prehistoric. You could track podcasts to where it is, but it's.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

How about Mark Marin just quitting?

[Joe Rogan]

I know. Crazy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He's done. He's hanging it up. Not fun anymore.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The. Yeah, but like Opie and Anthony, what they did different than Stern was they put comics on. There was a few comics that would come on Stern. They would interview like they were mega stars. Obie and Anthony figured out they could put three or four comics in a room and create like a beautiful chaos. And it was going to be people bouncing off each other. You'd create these moments that nobody knew was going to happen. Really cool.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Stern did not believe in that.

[Joe Rogan]

You want cigar?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I'll take a cigar. Oh, yeah, dude.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I love a good cigar.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yes. Stern's thing now is for comics.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, Stern sucks. Now.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Now it has to be. I know. It's really. It's funny. Like, I was one of the last people to check out.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, you like to start way too late.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I still listen. I still arbitrarily just go to it. And I think he's the best that ever did it. I think he. I give him all the kudos in the world.

[Joe Rogan]

Without him there would be nothing.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

None of it. I give him all the kudos in the world. It's just I think the like. I don't think. I think his last like phase here might be like. I might be weirdly too young for it. Like possibly.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Thank you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like, the interviews don't really.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Rogan ones. These are good.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The interviews don't really strike me anymore. I really don't. He's not going to get to anything that I care about with Sarah Jessica Paul Barker. It's just not going to get. He's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I remember back in the day he made the guy one of those guys who died from LFO. Remember that? That song from the 90s. What is that like Chinese food? Makes me sick. Some girls of summer.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what that is. You're a real cigar guy. Look at you. You know how to burn before you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's a one hit. It's a one hit wonder.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't remember.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They were like around the same time as all the boy bands and they got pretty popular. And he made one of those guys, guys so interesting. You got him to talk about Jennifer Love Hewitt and then her dumping him. And the way he found out he was dumped. Like she gave him a ring that was like a promise ring from her to him. And then he saw her and like a tabloid walking with another guy. And the guy had the same exact R. That's just her ring she gives out.

[Joe Rogan]

She's a wild girl.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Giving out rings of dudes.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I know.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

She aged like a goddamn plum though.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

She looks like.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no, no.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It looks like. Now I feel bad. This is a big. Too big of a platform to be really. Just trashing a girl for not being pretty anymore. It's up.

[Joe Rogan]

Back off of that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The way to do it.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, if you don't say it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Hillary Clinton.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, I mean, no, Pamela Anderson. I mean, God damn it. Did she fall off? She was the hottest woman wearing makeup.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

She put it back on again. It didn't help a lot, but I will say no. She was Pamela Anderson. First of all. The documentary about her they did on that.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Documentary.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Love them. The one they did about her. Read a book.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But he'll watch a documentary all day long.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Who's got time for books? But the thing about her made me like her. The one about Anna Nicole Smith made me realize what a piece of shit she was. I mean, terrible person, it seemed like. And then Pam Anderson made me kind of like fall in love with her again, where I'm like, this is a. She really? She's like a dummy who just believes in love. Yeah, she's just like a sucker.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, she had a couple of moments where she talked about, like, during the MeToo movement. She was like. Like, look, she was like, I got invited to every hotel room by every director in Hollywood. She was like, I didn't go because I knew what the they wanted. And she just kind of had a very real opinion on that whole sort of movement and what was going on. It's like, you know what's happening if you go to a hotel room with some powerful guy. Like, you know, you have to take a certain amount of, you know, accountability yourself. And she had a very real take on it, which I kind of respected.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, Hollywood had a long history doing that. Tarantino was telling me about this old school director that had a bedroom in.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

His office, and his name was Quentin Tarantino.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

His name was Tinton Quarantino.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Dude, he. We talked about that, right? Where he. He in Desperado, was it? Or Dust, where he's like, that's Dave always. Yeah, yeah. He's like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna have Salma Hayek shove her foot in somebody's mouth. You know what? I think it'll be me.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'll take that.

[Joe Rogan]

Hilarious.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm not gonna put George Clooney through the sweet sensation of sucking Salma Hayek's beautiful foot.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, God, she was hot in that scene.

[Joe Rogan]

She played such a good serial killer killer in that movie.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That was great. I just watched it, like, two weeks ago again.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he was such a good psycho.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I prefer Black Dust Till dawn called Sinners. I don't think Dustin had enough of enough social commentary.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I thought Cinders was great. People hate him.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't see it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I thought it was really good.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

People try to politicize everything. I'm like, it's just a fun vampire movie. Who cares?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You don't like a good vampire movie.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I love a good vampire.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Kind of. Yeah. They were saying the annoying attack on.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

White culture, the annoyance. Because the first.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The first vampires were, like, white, and they were, like, feasting on black people and. Which, you know, black people would be.

[Joe Rogan]

More delicious, but you very rarely. Other than Blade, you very rarely get a black vampire.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sweeter the juice.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, you remember Blacula?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It had to be a comedy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It was.

[Joe Rogan]

No, it was a movie.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, but it's a. It's like a BL.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Exploitation, right?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Kind of, but supposed to be ridiculous.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it was a horror movie. I think it was a legit horror movie.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know that guy, Black vampire. Do you know Blaculo?

[Joe Rogan]

There it is.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Blacula. I found this out from that Peewee Herman documentary. Blacula was the mailman on Peewee's Playhouse? Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Really?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Isn't that weird?

[Joe Rogan]

Phil Hartman was on Peewee's Playhouse.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Died hating him.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Phil Hartman did Peewee Herman when he died?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Still? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What makes you say that?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's the thing in the documentary.

[Joe Rogan]

Phil Hartman hated Phil Harmon did an.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Interview with Howard Stern. Howard Stern asked him about that, and he was like. Like, yeah, we don't speak anymore. And, oh, wow. He thought he didn't get enough credit, I think, for Peewee's big Adventure. And.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's unfortunate.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. That's weird because Phil, Peewee Herman was a real queen, but very interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Easy to get along with. Like, Phil was.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Ask his wife.

[Joe Rogan]

He was easy for me. I got along with him great.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Andy Dick. There was the problem.

[Joe Rogan]

He was fun, man. He was just too wild, you know? But I did so many scenes with that dude where we had to do him, like, three or four times because I couldn't stop laughing. I just couldn't stop breaking character.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's more just, like, sad what he's going through now.

[Joe Rogan]

Everything that's not good.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But he also just gets, like. He's one of those guys, like, letting himself get used by people, I assume for drugs or something. But I mean, like, I don't know, because he ends up on these, like, weird pods where it's like he's sleeping at some guy's house or something. Weird.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not good.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, he's out of it. And he was right there on the precipice with jury duty. Pauly Shore is vehicle jury duty. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

He did other stuff, too, man. He did that. That war movie. What was the war movie they did?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, in the army now.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, I think that's the one he did. I don't know if he. He may have done another one or two of them. They may have been trying to Farley Spade them. Farley Spade them together.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a funny dude, though.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Do you have hopes for Happy Gilmore, too? Could it possibly be good?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Still makes good stuff. He still comedy stuff. Yeah, he does. Those Netflix ones were good. Like, they were funny.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They're pretty good. You, like, QB Halloween or something, man.

[Joe Rogan]

They're Fun. Pretty good if you're. You like Adam Sandler. I love Adam Sandler movies. I love silly movies. Like, I love one when he played his own sister. What was that one?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Jack and Jill.

[Joe Rogan]

Jack and Jill's hilarious. And Alino's in love with her and she's a brute. It's. It's fun.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The rules. He's a great actor. And I mean, Happy Gilmore was so great, but I almost feel like.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like there's no way this second one's gonna be good.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's just. I think they're gonna try to do too many throwback moments. This would. What was the movie they. They kind of did that with recently.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like this. Coming to America Part two.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, like, there's like. That was terrible. That was actually. And Coming to America I grew up on. First of all, they made it PG13. The original coming to America was rated.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

R. They made it a musical music numbers in it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It was bad. But I have. I look, I will watch Beetlejuice.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Beetlejuice, people loved. I didn't like that. Same thing I thought was like, yeah, you can't capture that first one, I.

[Joe Rogan]

Thought Beetlejuice was pretty good. The new one, I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, I liked it. It wasn't as good as the first one, but it's pretty good. I loved it. The Soul Train. When they got on the Soul Train, it was all dead, like, resurrected black people dressed in, like, 1970s outfits dancing. Have you seen it?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I saw. I kept on falling asleep. I keep on turning it on and falling asleep 20 minutes into it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's. It's good, man. It's. It's pretty solid. I mean, it is one of those Tim Burton movies. Just like a fun, weird movie, you know? I love the first one, man.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I didn't know Tim Burton made the first Peewee's Big Adventure.

[Joe Rogan]

Did he really?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

First Tim Burton movie?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that makes sense. Was Large Mars. I forgot to tell him. Large Mars.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That looked like the girl we brought to the UFC event in Philly.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Remember, if they would have called her that, we still would have kept our heads down.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

She is large, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Pee Wee's Playhouse was so fun. Or Peewee's Big Adventure, rather, was so fun.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Peewee's Playoffs was trippy. I didn't even know that. That's how, like, weird, like, Pee's Playoffs was meant to be.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, one of these bikes was for sale recently. Well, I thought.

[Joe Rogan]

How much did it go for?

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, guess. I'll let you guess.

[Joe Rogan]

A hundred thousand dollars.

[Jamie Vernon]

It went for more than that.

[Joe Rogan]

$500,000.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's 135, 000.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's 14 bikes and it was one of them that was supposed.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It had no seat on.

[Joe Rogan]

Was a fun movie man.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I went to see that with a girl I was dating in high school and we. We were like the only people in the movie theater. It was like one of them lucky moments. We were just howling, howling. Laughing.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

First was where the whole thing was always to have like nods for adults in it's movie.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah it was. It was totally like in anybody's movie. It wasn't just like a kid's movie. It was an anybody movie.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Was a little off. I was being a kid watching it being like what's the deal here? Big top, Peewee all. It was just always a little bit weird.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That was his. He tried to do it himself and that's why that did terribly.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh really?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Because again there's jokes and there no one gets. I forgot this. I saw it once when it first came out. Never seen. Saw again. He's got a makeout scene with somebody that just goes on for like five straight. They just never stop. That's funny having them make out and just keeps panning further and further backwards. Like five in the middle of the movie. Five minutes. Him just like hardcore making out with the. I mean when I was older I think I would have gotten. I said. Because he had such like. He said a lot of Andy Warhol inspired stuff and reference. There was an episode of Peewee's Big Adventure or Peewee's Playhouse where he said two minutes. He just put dog food in a bowl. And it was just like asmr. A close up of a dog just eating the food. Food for like two straight minutes. Which I would have weirded me out when I was a kid.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, for sure. There's a lot of just. It was. Whatever it was. It was just a little bit off.

[Joe Rogan]

He got rolled up in one of the most cases ever.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I would have got caught jerking off.

[Joe Rogan]

Jerking off in a gay movie theater.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Where you're supposed to.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That didn't ruin him. That didn't ruin him the way he thought like that. In fact I thought it was interesting when he did. His first comeback was that Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie. And he made. He asked him to make his character look like his mug shot. That's why he looks like that.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's funny.

[Jamie Vernon]

So they made him look like Charles Manson.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Did you watch it Jamie?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No.

[Jamie Vernon]

I saw clips of it. I was really into it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I mean it didn't it get a show Canceled like.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, the show was already done.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Okay, show was already done. But he was. He was out for a while. Then he was in Blow. He was in there.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He came back. He had. He had a career. But after that, what took him down was because I thought you were saying you got caught up in the biggest. He was caught up in that sweep that got Jeffrey Jones.

[Joe Rogan]

What's that?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The. The. That's the. That was the principal from Ferris Buer. That guy got nailed with actual pornography. Oh, and. And he. And Peewee Herman's friends with him, so they went and searched Peewee's house and what they found. He's a collector. He's like a crazy collector.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Found a big couch that can talk.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. A bunch of naked kids inside of it. No, you don't understand. I don't. Him. He eats them. No, he had like, erotica from like the 70s in collections that was like. And everyone was above age, but it just like, it was. It's considered obscene material.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

When they went to his house, where was he living? California, I believe. And erotica.

[Joe Rogan]

Obscene erotica.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He got nailed with obscene material charges, but he was lumped in with like, pedophilia.

[Jamie Vernon]

The char here is a little worse than that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What is it?

[Jamie Vernon]

Pleaded no contest in LA court to charges of hiring a 14 year old boy to pose for photographs.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

To pose for photographs? They didn't put that in the documentary.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Look at Jay defending an actual pedophile.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm just saying he was a good guy.

[Joe Rogan]

You gotta stay.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, man.

[Jamie Vernon]

Child porn was not part of the deal, Joe.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The first time we did your podcast, when you showed us all of your cool toys in your LA studio, I would have sucked your dick to do one of those things.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, yeah, toys like your. Your compound bow.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I've told. I've told this story so many times on podcast. That's the first time we came here. And it's all. It ends so great because me, Dave and Lewis all came in. In la and you took us first and you go, check this out. And you grabbed compound bow and you had the laser sight and you could shoot it all the way across the full UFC gym. You had.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It looks so cool. We were all like, just warming our hands up, like, we can't wait till we can do this.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Then you put the bow down as I was reaching for it, I thought. And then you went over, you go, there's the pool table. You broke a rack and sunk a few, like, cool. Then you open the door and you're like, here's where I freeze myself. Here's where I thought myself out. We're like, wow. And then you go, and here's my prize possession. And you had the. They do it for golf and stuff, too. Like the Kevlar screen hunting.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And you had the flat tip. But I go, he probably wants us to do this one because it's the flat tips. No one's going to get hurt. And then you fucking wail two elk. And then you go, let's go podcast, boys. He just showed us all the stories and was like, don't touch me.

[Joe Rogan]

The problem with those toys is I can't teach you that quickly to use.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I understand.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

We're going to embarrass ourselves.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

We would have embarrassed ourselves big. But then we always say, like, how much Dave Smith came on, like, talks with you after that individually. Me, we wrote me and Lewis, like, why doesn't Joe embrace us the way he embraces Dave? And then someone brought up the pic. The first picture we ever took here. It's so funny. It's the where wolf. I am standing behind the werewolf. Like, I'm it. Lewis is acting like he's getting sucked off by the bear. And Dave is just leaning and touching it going. I'm like, oh, you know what?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Dave had respect for you.

[Joe Rogan]

We're like, oh, that's hilarious.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The difference between us and Dave.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I wonder why Dave keeps going back.

[Joe Rogan]

Dave is his hand on the head. Jack Gently.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Is Dave in the Rogan sphere? We're trying to figure out how we get in the Rogans Fear.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Look, first of all, anymore, let's just move Shane out. Move Big J into that position. Doesn't require the road or he's moving to Thailand or something. He's gone. I'm ready. I'm a wacky guy. I'll shave half my head.

[Joe Rogan]

Ari's gonna do a stint over there and bail.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Agreed.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm gonna talk to him. Call him up every day. That place planted it in his head. I think we got Diaz coming here.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, it's Austin.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's great.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's. We talked about it this weekend. I saw him in Jersey for the fights.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So he's back in the sphere.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Plenty of room for you guys. You're in the sphere right now. You're on the show every time the.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Rogan sphere gets talked about. We never get thing. When Cat Williams said six unfunny comics.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

We knew it wasn't us.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I knew it wasn't us. I would have been happy to be One of the six unfunny comics.

[Joe Rogan]

Was it Cap? Probably his point. But what I was trying. He thought I wouldn't have him on. I'm like, bro, I love you.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He's so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

I couldn't wait to have him on right away. I'm like, I reached out to him right away. I go, that's not true. I just haven't reached out to you because I didn't know if you wanted to do it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I didn't know he wanted to do it. If he want. If I thought he wanted to do it, I would have had him on a long time ago.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He might be one of my favorite, like, standups to watch a special of because I have a hard time, like, laughing at, like, on TV specials. Pimp Chronicles, dude, he's so funny, dude.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm not gonna lie. I need subtitles for it. But I. I genuinely don't know what he's saying, but I know Cat Williams is very, very funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Pimp Chronicles is a masterpiece. It's a masterpiece. He's so good.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Why can't me?

[Joe Rogan]

There's something about him when he's cooking, too. When he's cooking, when he's, like, really on fire is different than everybody else. He's sweating and, you know, he's. His hair is throwing back and just the tone of his voice and the way repeats punchline lines. It's like, that guy gets cooking, man. He gets cooking. Like, you watch the crowd, they're just falling out.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He does really long sets, too, right? There's like an hour and a half.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a beast. He's a beast. He's a wild boy. At least I was on a drive, too. I put him on the driving simulator. He killed it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, I always see him on World Star Hip Hop. He beats, like, pro athletes in races and all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

I believe it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's very weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He talks about. And he still. What's funny is he also dresses, though, like the old black guy who comes to play basketball. So it looks like he's not going to be that good. And then he's, like, fast remembered by a teenager.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Do you remember that?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's the funniest thing when he goes, watch this.

[Joe Rogan]

This is him at our racing simulator, by the way. He's doing it one hand. Give me some volume.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Get in there, get in there.

[Joe Rogan]

There you are.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

There he is.

[Joe Rogan]

That's when you have to fight that competition off that corn.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

How accurate is the simulator?

[Joe Rogan]

Pretty good.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Good.

[Joe Rogan]

It's got gravity. It it turns you side to side, has crazy noises. It feels like you're really driving. Yeah. And how do we do it? Like this. Cuz we do this in real life.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

If he was driving Uber, he'd be making a personal phone call right now.

[Joe Rogan]

The rows, the highways and the byways of America that allow you to. To do this so he can drive.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He looks terrified.

[Joe Rogan]

No, he looks like he's on it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Man, that steering wheel break your wrist if you're holding.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's hard. It's not a game. No. If the steering wheel reacts as if your tires would react on at high.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Speeds, put a racetrack.

[Joe Rogan]

You guys ever do a racetrack? You ever driving a racetrack?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, I can't. I can't drive 35 miles an hour on a regular road.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I do believe in full. I do believe in full truck. When I did Birds Tour, one of the things we performed at a race racetrack, and they had the pace car, it was like a convertible. And they took us off for like a couple loops, like individually. One of them wanted to film it. And mine was so boring because I was like smiling. It was exhilarating the whole time. But they were like, you know, Bert's giving them, and people are going like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, the corners are coming. And they were like, you didn't freak out at all? I go, I just had blind trust they're not going to kill us. Like, right? Like, are they going to put us in real. Like, are we going to start cartwheeling down the fucking road? Here, here. This. I assume they're not going to do anything they don't know how to do perfectly.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

This is why Bert's famous, because Bert's fun and he reacts big. And you just sat there like.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I was just like, this was neat.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Nobody wants to watch that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I know.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I should want to watch screaming and yelling and crying about your daughter.

[Joe Rogan]

Just be yourself.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

My daughter.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't worry about what people want.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, I can't scream at that. I gave you. Remember when. The first time you guys did my nails on the show, I freaked out about.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Touching my cuticles.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And now he gets done. Now he gets them done. No, he gets his nails painted by our Asian lady every week.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, now you have to once it's get done every other week. Louis, I'm not a diva.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that a thing you think you feel connected to? Like, you have to keep doing that now?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Bert Kreischer, take your shirt off thing.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, no, no, no, not like that. No, it's more like somehow Gayer. No, it's a gayer thing. No, it's connected to. I bit my nails forever. Got my teeth fixed. Can't bite my nails anymore. They grew in raggedy. I tried to take care of him myself and was terrible at it. They got my nails on the show one time because I bit because he.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

If you. If you just did this to Jay. Look, if you show him you pulling your cuticle back, he'll freak out for some reason. It's a weird thing. So we had an Asian lady come in and we warned her. We were like, listen, the type of show the jokes we're gonna make. She was so cool. This like, literally. She barely spoke any English, but she was such a fun time. And she did his nails on the show and he screamed like a girl the whole time.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Because if she was scream, it was more like. Like that. Like pull away. Like I was. I. I did not enjoy it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. And then it became a thing where every week after that he came in with a new color nails every other week.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But it's the keep saying every week. I'm not a gay man. I. No, but once they were done, then, yeah, once. You can't really undo it. I don't know what to do now. I can't take care of them that good myself. I can't make them look like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Just go get it done. Who gives a. Yeah, that's what you like. Yeah. Everybody's got their own quirks. Lewis, le. Leave him alone.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Hey, Lewis. You chose to have nipple rings to connect.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I have one or had one nipple ring.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I can't believe you actually had one. I was.

[Joe Rogan]

Did they connect like Xerxes?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, no, I had a nipple ring. I had a lip ring.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I like. By the way, ring isn't the funniest thing. You had all those things when you're b. Like now you.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

My body sucked.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Yeah. You never had a nipple ring. You never had a nipple ring with pecs.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You had your tit.

[Joe Rogan]

It.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So you look sexy in tank tops.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I was so bad, dude. Just a fat kid with a nipple ring for.

[Joe Rogan]

Why you get it done?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I don't know. I just want to. I like tattoos and piercings and I was young.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I was surprised though. I kept from being fat my whole life. Also, I kept my tattoos always to arms for the most part. I never did ones that I would have to take my shirt off for people to see.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, I wouldn't do a stomach tattoo.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, but you had like here I.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Have my chest tattoo on my own. I got it when my mom died.

[Joe Rogan]

It says on my own.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

On my own.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I know. Isn't that ironic for a guy who owns a company and is. Has a thousand friends and collaborates with people and everything he does, he's on his own.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well, he says on this side. Coattail rider.

[Joe Rogan]

So you figured out early on though that the best way to not get pulled off a shit is to have your own network though. Yeah, like Kumia did that. You guys did that.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. Yeah. That's what's funny is for we were going like for a few years it almost seemed like pointless because Patreon got so big. But with censorship with YouTube and all these other platforms now, there's never been a better time for it. Like we have an uncensored version of the show and ad free version of the show. We can say anything we want.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

YouTube hunts us every time we get close to that plaque.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

We've had our four YouTube channels taken.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Down in the 90. In the 90 something. Thousands of subscribers because they just start reviewing it. Then they're like, no, no way.

[Joe Rogan]

What is the kind what gets pulled? What's it about?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Most of the time it's actually our dumb producers leaving in like nudity and like that. YouTube relaxes moderation rules. It's a lot more controversial content just today though. Oh, this is today.

[Joe Rogan]

Freedom of expression. Value may outweigh harm risk.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's great. I love it.

[Joe Rogan]

YouTube. Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It is changing a little bit, which is good.

[Joe Rogan]

I was just like pendulum swings. Right.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Podcast I was listening to the other day and I was like, how is this?

[Joe Rogan]

Corey's wild.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He's so funny.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

All the words. All the words you're not allowed to say like. So we bleep out like all the. No, no words. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

This includes discussions of elections, ideologies, movements, race, gender, sexuality, abortion, immigration and censorship. Beautiful.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

We're back.

[Joe Rogan]

Not remove anything considered to be in the public interest.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, dude. Interesting too. So we could do that abortion now on the air. We've been putting that bit off for years.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That'll be a great bit every term.

[Joe Rogan]

Everything that you can discuss is in the public interest though. That's. You know, I'm glad they changed it to that. That's a great way of finding it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Like. Like jokes. Like specifically like I got. I got my. On Instagram right now. They. I can't go live or advertise in Instagram for a year because I was talking about a bit that I did on my first special on Dan Soder's podcast about how I would get free cocaine In Mexico. I went up the beach and like I would get samples of cocaine. I told the story about actually doing it and they flagged it and said we were promoting like the sales of drugs. And I'm. For a year now.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, it's like literally a joke. I'm just.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You did put up the number of the dealer though.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, no, but that's what I did. I would, I would go up and down the the beach and I get a free sample of cocaine. I go to the next guy, get another free sample of cocaine, go to the next guy. And I just did that all night until they caught on. They were.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You were the leader of the cartel.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They can get you for RICO charges now.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, that was the Cabo Comedy Festival. The shittiest comedy festival ever. Like a decade ago.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Cabo Comedy Festival.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Then at the end of the night, I like a 70 year old woman. She was gross. Still hotter than the girl we brought to the UFC in Philly.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Was she?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You've hooked up with a couple of hilarious ones.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Old ladies.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Just like, oh shit. I think on Shiprocks one year you hooked up with a doozy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh yeah. She had like a really thick smoker's voice say, come to my cabin.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You're a little bit locked in on a crew. Especially a heavy metal Cruise from the 90s.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

There's no hot chicks on those girls. Yeah, we did a thing a bunch.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude. I was watching this documentary today on the black stuff sea where all those cargo ships wind up sinking. Have you ever seen ships going across the Black Sea? It's apparently like the most dangerous part of the ocean to cross.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

For Lewis, where's the Black Sea? Because I see his eyes are crossing.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's across the top of the uk. I'm not exactly sure, but I watched this documentary about watching these cargo ships get nailed by these monster waves and I'm like, imagine being on a crazy. A cruise ship and some like that.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh my God, it's terrifying.

[Joe Rogan]

Renegade wave goes sideways. So where is it? That's the Black Sea. So where's that at? Turkey.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, between Turkey.

[Joe Rogan]

See if you can find some videos of cargo ships getting up on the Black Sea. It's crazy, it's scary.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The ocean's scary in general. The ocean is. I've been surfing before and I'm just. I'm just not good at it. Like you feel the power of the ocean. It's.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, how about just the. I've done those cruise ships enough to be like, it's just if you go off that boat is to going is dead.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It won't stop.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this. It's the cargo ship in two. The wave was so big, it snapped this ship in half. That, and this is nothing compared to some of the waves I've seen. Some of the waves are bananas.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Apparently if you fall off a cruise ship, they. They can't stop the ship.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They can't.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this, look at this. This that. If you fall off a cruise ship, they can't turn around and get. Get you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

There's more death by fire a year by sea.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, they have to like, call the. The, like the Coast Guard or whatever to come and find you, but you're dead.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They give you coordinates that mean nothing.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, they throw some donuts out to you and you. That's it.

[Joe Rogan]

There's no to find the donuts in the ocean. The ocean's flocking.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The worst part of that, dude, the worst part of that for. For me is that if I fell off, I'm holding onto a donut and hearing the sounds of Tesla slowly slink away. Oh, they're doing acoustic signs.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Take pictures.

[Joe Rogan]

You.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, there's a.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a cargo ship that's on fire right now in. I forget which ocean, but it's filled with evs, and apparently one of them caught fire in the middle of the ocean.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's why you can't put electric cigarettes in your suitcase.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Same thing.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I pay attention to none of those rules.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember when those Samsung phones are lighting people's cars on fire? Indian Coast Guard battles massive fire and container ship listed off K. I don't think this is the one.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's in India.

[Joe Rogan]

There's another one, Jamie, that is. That's uvs. It's all UV cars.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Isn't there theoretically people in some of those cargo things?

[Joe Rogan]

Cargo ship carrying UVs on fire. EVS. Sorry, EVS, not you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sorry, Is that just the wire or is that how they get people over? Sometimes there's people. Sometimes cargo things.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. No, that's real. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. So that's filled with electric cars. I wonder whose cars they are. It just says EVs. It doesn't say if it was Tesla's. It would say cargo ship filled with Teslas. They would throw Elon under the bus for sure.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, I'm not sold in the electric car.

[Joe Rogan]

They're great when they work. It's just like if you have them plugged into your house, it's the shit.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, you need it.

[Joe Rogan]

You never go to the gas station. You just plug it in when you go to sleep at night. It's easy. Easy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think you need your car to be more reliable than your phone.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're really reliable. The thing is about driving them like Tesla's, they never up. I've had three, three of them. They. I've never had a problem.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, nothing. I had one problem with like a windshield wiper motor. It was simple.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Do you get rid of them because just. It's time.

[Joe Rogan]

I got a lease.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You get a new one.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Okay, so it's not like.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You're not like this thing's starting to.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no. Well, they make them better every three years.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

When do they peter out? What's the death of a good question.

[Joe Rogan]

You can get them, you know, that are many years old. It's just their batteries don't degrade slightly over time. So like if it first comes from the factory with 340 miles, you know, after like five, six, seven, eight years, it's probably got 280 miles or something like that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know, just efficiency kind of goes down.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but, but for driving around town, like if you're just taking it to commute, it's easy. You just plug it in when you go to bed at night. You don't ever have to go to the gas station again. Silent. They move faster than anything you've ever driven.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I mean, how, how quickly do you get a return on investment? Because the amount of money you save in gas has to be like.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know about that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm wondering about the miles things. That's what I'm saying. I remember like when I was a kid and you remember this too. Like they would say, oh like Hondas are the best because you can get 200 some thousand miles, 300,000 miles. I don't think that even exists anymore. That a car is supposed to.

[Joe Rogan]

I think once Toyotas you buy. Yeah, you buy a Tacoma, those will last forever.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The reason I got the Acura was because.

[Joe Rogan]

Last forever.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. My, my buddy, really Nick Rocher for Shout Out. Nick Rochford, great comic. And he, he was like, dude, trust me. He was like, get an Acura. He was like, it'll last 250000 miles. I'll give it to my kid when he graduates high school.

[Joe Rogan]

Like my friend Matt Farah had a Lexus with a million miles on it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, that was the other option too. He said get a Lexus or an Acura. Those are the two that have the, the greatest resale Value and also just the shelf life of the car.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I got a Ram and a Jeep. America.

[Joe Rogan]

America, yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And we laugh at Toyota to come. Tacomas. Get that little stupid rice burner out of here.

[Joe Rogan]

I've had a couple of those Lexus SUVs. The 570s. Alex. Great car. Great. Comfortable as big. It's like. It's so smooth. Never up. Never. They never have problems.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Don't buy an Audi, I'll tell you that much.

[Joe Rogan]

Why?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I just totaled my Audi. And it was.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It wasn't the Audi's fault.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It was a fender bender. It was literally a fender bender.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That fender was going, dude. That fender was softened up by all the other fender benders.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I was like. I was like, for sure. This is just an easy repair. They came, they're like, yeah, this is totaled. Each headlight is like $5,000. It's.

[Joe Rogan]

How much is your car worth?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The car was. I bought it at 70,000 when it was new. And then.

[Joe Rogan]

How long ago was this?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I had it for four years. And then it depreciated the. It depreciated in value to like $25,000. And the damage was like $22,000.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, well, most of that was to take off the airbrushing you put on the side. You Puerto Rican dumbass.

[Joe Rogan]

That's fucked up.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It was crazy. I was like. I was so bummed.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what's a really great value if you want to get a car? Get like a Mercedes S class, like five, six years ago. Amazing, honey.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Mercedes S class. You ordered for me?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, the old ones.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

An old car?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Get them from. You can get them from like 10 years ago and they're fucking awesome. But they're super cheap. But they're so well engineered, they'll never break. But for like less than like an Accord. A brand new Accord. Accord. You can get an S class from a while ago.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, well, I thought about that. Is it possible to get like an old. Is there such thing as a brand new, old car, old engine?

[Joe Rogan]

What do you mean?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Like, so could you buy a brand new 2019 car? Like, what do they do with that one?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

2019 is not even. I'm talking about, like, can you get like a 1997 Mustang and then somehow get a new. That kind of motor in it? Like, no computer, none of that shit in it. Just. Just like the one you could fix yourself.

[Joe Rogan]

You definitely can.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Brand new.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There's companies that'll do that for you for sure. They'll make a car with a carburetor. The Whole deal. Most of them don't though. Most of them use a crate engine. So that what they'll do is like they take an old car, like a 68 Mustang and they put a Coyote 5.0 in it. Like a modern Ford 8 cylinder Coyote engine in it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, the new ones.

[Joe Rogan]

So it has like an ecu. It has like what was like this little motherboard, like you have program gram it, you know, electronic fuel injection.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I used to have a Grand Cherokee that when I got out of the car sometimes to start it, I did. I learned I had to get a hammer and hit a certain part of the engine and then it would start. I think it was the starter, possibly be able to clank it. And it did start and I just.

[Joe Rogan]

Get a new starter. Why did you hit it with a hammer?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Broke.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

This is way back, Way back in the day too. So I got the car, I got the car from. It was one of those like, what do you call it? The auctions. You know, they repoed cars and shit like that. So it was a piece of shit. But I would clank and get it to start. There's just nothing. When you open up, you could have a car for a year at this point, a brand new car, and open it up and it looks brand new because it's not. It's barely engine parts, right? It's mostly computers. Like a big plastic covering over a computer essentially.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. You can't get in there and work on it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

When you say. When you bring it in and go, hey, it's having a problem, they go, did the light go? This happened me last. The light went away. So the light's not on anymore. But it was there. They could plug it in and find that there was a light that came on at some point. But they can't do anything to it if it's not happening, you know, I mean there's not a thing where it's like. There's this clicking. It's probably a belt. Those days are over, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh really?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think so. See, they seem confused by.

[Joe Rogan]

You go into bad mechanics.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Maybe it's the dealership.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, okay. Okay. So they probably have everything connected to a computer program. And the computer program talks to the. To the computer that's in the car.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think that's what you have to do every thing now. It's no more like we knew our. My mom, Chuck and Larry. No, not Chuck and Larry. That's the gay guys that got married. Chuck and Al were like, my mom's too. Like now I think about it too. She probably Chuck or Al. My mom.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Really? Both of them. Your mom?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

My mom really threw the puss around to make sure we had what we needed when we were younger. Not like in a prostitution way.

[Joe Rogan]

Good lady.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, it was a good lady. But Chuck and Al was always our car mechanics, like for our car just, you know, they can't even be in business anymore with cars now.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's a lot of people that still have old cars. They want to get them fixed up. There's a lot of people that really just like driving analog old cars, you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Know, but not enough for the amount of like auto shops.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But don't you hate when it's like a really famous guy who was the famous guy who drives like an old pickup truck? I want to say Carlson does Christian Bale.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. Driving old Tacoma.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. Like an old Ford or. Yeah, it's a Toyota.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think Jimmy Butler the athlete.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But I just feel like he's doing it to be like cool. It's like bro you, you don't need to drive an old ass truck.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'll tell you. Post Malone showed up to a Shane show in a muddy, shitty big tires truck. And I believed him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Does that make sense? When he got out of it, I was like, yeah, this thing.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But he's also got a Lamborghini and a. He's probably got a whole, you know.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He'S hanging out with his country friends or his blood rap friends.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got one of those Raptors with six wheels. Yeah, yeah, that's his Christian Bill's same Toyota Tacoma since 2003. Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It just bugs me for some reason.

[Joe Rogan]

They're bulletproof. Keeps it clean thing. Yeah, it's clean, it's not raggedy. But those things last forever, man. They really last forever. It's like if you wanted a car that's gonna last forever that you can buy right now, get a Toyota Tacoma. They're bulletproof. They're so good.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. They just re release one of these old timey looking trucks and it's like, it's like vintage look. I think that's gonna be another thing that starts happening. It's like vintage looking cars that are brand new.

[Joe Rogan]

Toyota did.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I don't know if it's Toyota or another. There's a. It's a pickup truck that's coming out that looks like an old pickup truck but it's brand new.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You look like a jerk off though if you bought the novelty car of the time. Anyone is still rocking a one of those like Union Jack, little Like Mini Coopers or something. A Fiat, you think? An. Do you remember the PT Cruiser in the early 2000s, late 90s, where they were like, hey, everyone likes that ZZ Top car. Look. Make a very cheap version of that.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

My wife had a Dodge Neon that was maybe the shittiest car that's ever been mass produced.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I had a Dodge Neon. You had. You had to at some point. It was.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It was crazy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

14 bucks.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Dude, it was. That was. I think it was ten thousand dollars. A hundred dollars a month, no money down. Like this was like the cheapest car ever.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It was such a piece of. I think two companies ended up making it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh really?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think it switched at one point from like Dodge to something. Yeah, Dodge.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember the Yugo?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's so weird. Yeah, Yugos or a Datsun was.

[Joe Rogan]

It was Yugo from Yugoslavia. Is that who made it? Is that why it's called the Yugo? That was a garbage little car.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's amazing how many cars I've been in that are now like defunct. They don't even make me with Mercury Sables right like that. But I have no trust or belief in a brand new like car that comes out.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well, Saturn, I don't even. Saturn doesn't exist anymore. Saturn was like a brand that Everybody had back 90s.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I trust Hyundai now. Do not trust Kia. Hasn't been long enough for some reason. I don't know why. That one.

[Joe Rogan]

Genesis.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Genesis. No, I see that.

[Joe Rogan]

That's Hyundai. That's Hyundai's Lexus version. You know, their high end luxury version. It's really.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, because Lexus is Toyota.

[Joe Rogan]

Yugoslavian. Yeah. You goes Yugoslavian. That was a garbage.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, I knew that from delivering auto parts.

[Joe Rogan]

That car was like $5. Cost more for gas than the car.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What'd you take your driver's test in?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, man, I wish I could remember. I think I took it in my mom's Barracuda. My mom had a 1970 barracuda when I was nice, I think. Hums oh, it was fun.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm gonna still stick shift. Chevette. My mom's white stick shift.

[Joe Rogan]

You gotta learn how to drive. That's good though, to learn how to drive and do a driver's test on a stick. Like you really know how to drive if you're a kid.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It is one of those feelings though, where you're like, even my daughter. I'm like, it's a good skill to have driving stick. And then she'll never be in a world where it will ever.

[Joe Rogan]

Most likely. It was fun though. I had an Audi Fox. That was my first stick shift car. I never had. All my muscle cars when I was a kid were all automatics, but I had an Audi Fox box. It was this cool little front wheel drive, shitty 1973 car. It was great though, like little four cylinder. It was like the first car that I had that was little, that can like move around. It's like this thing's fun and like learning how to shift. Everything today is just you. You're barely connected to what you're driving. You feel like the shifting is all, the steering's electric, everything's. Everything's smooth. Back then, felt the car. Cars.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, that's gone.

[Joe Rogan]

That's. Well, that's why people like to drive old cars. Still like to feel them, you know.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, I would. If I had the money, I would get like something. That's why I said. I asked about the. If you can do a new engine in a car, you have so many cars I missed.

[Joe Rogan]

You could get a car with a nice engine.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, two brand new cars, you're not gonna want a lease.

[Joe Rogan]

You're not going.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And one's a Ram, which apparently sucks.

[Joe Rogan]

You're not gonna fix it yourself?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Never. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So then find a mechanic. Mechanic you know, that you trust. Find, you know, ask around, get a relationship with this mechanic and get a.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Cool car the same way your mom.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Did, though not that way. Well, if I could. Do you have a car, Lewis? What's like usually something like a car. Not even a dream. The dream changes. When I was a kid.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Jaguar, the one with the actual, the, the head, the hood ornament. That was a Jaguar?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sure.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I looked it up a couple years ago. I wanted to get like. It's like an old school Jaguar XJ6 or something or whatever.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It was early 90s.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, early 90s. They were the coolest cars ever. I looked it up recently and I found one for like nine grand. Like just. It looked great and then I was gonna buy it and then a friend of mine was like, dude, you literally to get anything fixed on that car is crazy. Like you'll never find the parts. Like it's just, you're just especially.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That is a tough. When I was young, the one that like the cool kids had that you're like, damn, I wish I had. That was that boxy looking Mustang 5.0.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that was the one with the Vanilla Ice one.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The convertible. Yeah, that's the exact one. They put 5.0 rims on it. And the convertible and that one just. That was the one but talk about it changing. When I was a little kid, this was one of the most hurtful fat comments ever in my life. When I was like, sh, dude, when I get older, I want to get a Mazda Miata. And that's going to be a roller skate on your fat body. I was like, okay, well, I guess I'll get past the Miata. And now sometimes you see one on the road still and I still go, damn. It's pretty cool looking, though.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever seen those Miatas that they do conversions with? They put a V8 in them. Yeah. There was a company called Flying Miata and they sold it to another company that's in Florida that does it now. I don't know what the name of it is, but they take a regular Miata and they stuff a big fucking aluminum GM crate engine in it and it's got like 500 horsepower. It's madness in this tiny little car.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That weighs nothing, just lifts off the ground.

[Joe Rogan]

But apparently they are a riot to drive. They're like the most fun cars to drive because they're super light with crazy power. And these new engines are not that heavy, so it doesn't fuck with the balance that much. It's like slightly heavier than the stock engine, but insane amounts of power. And it sounds insane.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

When we were down at a Nashville comedy festival, there's a guy who used to work at the club who pulled up in a like gold and blue Lamborghini. Lamborghini. And it was. It was just like, the colors were crazy and it had some writing on it and we were so curious about it. He won it in a sweepstakes. He actually won a Lamborghini in a sweepstakes.

[Joe Rogan]

These are those cars, like, give me some volume so we could hear this thing.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The Miata.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, these are the Flying Miatas. Okay, that's not a Miata.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I mean, it's just the front.

[Joe Rogan]

This is the Miata. That sounds crazy, but. But there's a new company that does it now. It's not them. And there's some better videos where they.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Show, like, what he's driving that thing. Cat Williams thing was hugging the corners.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine if Cat Williams, like, enters F1 in races. Oh, you never thought I could do it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

F1's really, like right in the streets of a town.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, in Monaco. They drive through the streets. They do it in Vegas too.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They did in Canada.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, did they?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

In Montreal. I think one year the festival was there. That was like they were preparing for F1. Oh.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow. It's wild. They do it out here, but they do it at the circuit of the Americas. That's what that neon sign up there is.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

Our neon died, I think. Did it die? I think it died. But that fucking racetrack out here. Coda. It's awesome watching Formula one. There's. You can't imagine how fast they're going.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, is that the place? Is that the. I think. I think I did one of those rock fests there. Backstage or Oddball tournament. Is that the one that has the over Overlook thing behind it? Yes, the F1 track. Yes, that's one of the. That's about getting over a fear in one day where I've never felt so. It's got. It's got a overlook thing you take. It's one floor elevator. Just goes right up to the top of that. Half of its concrete, half of its glass. Very thick glass. But I've never had this happen before. When I got up there the first time, I was gung ho to walk out over that glass and go. When I got to the glass part.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Glasses the floor.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. But it was concrete. When I got to the glass part, my. I almost fell forward because my legs stopped. Like, my legs stopped moving. Like, my body shut down. Be like, no, no, no, no. We're not ready for it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Terrified of heights.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you should be.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, there it is, dude, That's. By the way, they didn't have. I don't think those red things were there when I was there.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Did I take the. On top of the. The. This, this. The Needle in the stratosphere and Vegas, The Strat.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They have like a roller coaster at the top. And then they also have like, you know, the. The ride that goes straight up and then just drops. Yeah, I went on it with my son. My son has no respect for me anymore after this, dude. Because I was sitting in the chair. Literally, just like. They didn't even start. They, they. They pull you up for like maybe five feet first. And I thought I was at the top. I was screaming like a woman. Everybody was cackling at me. My son was making fun of me. And they didn't even go. And then when they finally went up, it was. I mean, I'm so, so deathly afraid of heights. Even if I'm strapped in. Oh, my God.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Dude, I could deal with it.

[Joe Rogan]

Should be.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm afraid of falling.

[Joe Rogan]

It's adorable. If you're not, you're a freak.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Those.

[Joe Rogan]

Those free climber dudes, they're just freaks.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, the guys that like, like jump from building to Building the thing that.

[Joe Rogan]

Our friend climbs like Mount Capitan with just chalk.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

How about the thing that Ralph did? That in New York you can do. You can go to the top of some building and they have a thing where it's like they have your shit. You're like connected to a line, but you remember the deep show shot so you could take a picture. Something in New York where you're like, feet are on the building and you're hanging off it. Like over New York City. Yeah, that crazy. It's just like that. But I. I'm not like, just for a thrill. I would. I maybe could have gotten talking to skydiving young. Not a chance. I've had some people try to talk me into it as an adult and I'm like jumping. My daughter's got to tell the story. If my daughter was going to tell the story of her dad dying in a wing suit or something. A jerk off.

[Joe Rogan]

Brian Redband's dad was working at this place. One of the people he's working with was a skydiver. And always trying to get him to go, come on, come with us. One day goes to work. They're not there. What happened?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, no.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

This didn't open.

[Joe Rogan]

Didn't open.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That was. There was a great happens. There was A Thing Called McCloskey on Netflix years ago.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Was it a documentary?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It was in fact a documentary about a. About a snowboarder guy. He was like an extreme sports guy and he died because he jumped. He like parished. He like base jumped into a national park. And when he landed, he was being chased by the rangers and the cops to arrest him. And he went in the water with his parachute and everything. Got caught up and died. He drowned in the water, I believe. Then they did a thing on the news. They did a. They were doing like a BASE jumping, you know, for this guy, like in memorial of him, like a. It was a demonstration. It was like it shouldn't be illegal. So what they were doing was people were jumping, parachuting down. And when they landed, it was almost like organized. The cops would then arrest them. They were all getting arrested for doing it. But that was their protest that we're all gonna do it. You're gonna have to arrest us all. And then while they're doing all that, just in the background, you just see someone go just like way in the background. Oh God. It's like, yes, this is why. This is stupid.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, all that. I. I've never had any of that adventurous in me. I've gone skiing, which I feel like, is adventurous enough for me.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Killed a Kennedy and Sonny Bono.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But it's actually really dangerous, dude. Skiing is, like, wildly dangerous. Just sometimes I was. I was in Park City, and you're just going down these. A really long trail, like 20 minutes. Like, just. You're just going and going and going. But there's times where, like, I'm going to the edge and. And all it takes is, like, just a little less control and you just fly off the edge of a thing and you're done.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

How do cars not go off, like, up in the canyons, in the ballet every year, like, tons of them.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They really do.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Constantly.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that how Tiger woods crashed?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He went off one of those cliffs.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that what happened, Jamie? Not quite.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I thought, he's hit a tree.

[Joe Rogan]

There was one guy who was tweeting who was like, a famous plastic surgeon. He was, like, tweeting, and they discovered that he was tweeting at the very same area where he fell off the fucking cliff. So he was just, like, texting while he was driving and not.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

He went off the side.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's the most 2 in 10 moment of my life when I'm going over those, like, through the Hollywood Hills. Just like.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I mean, I really.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's crazy that you're able to drive that close to, like, certain death.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, well, how about the drive up to San Francisco if you take the coast? Oh, there's times where the left side of you is just cliff.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Like famous places, like, in the world. Like, in just other countries where. I mean, I've been to a few countries. Countries where you're driving, there's no rail. Your tires are just, like, along the edge, like, almost hanging off. It's terrifying. Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Dumb. Other countries.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, man. This is why jail countries where the only way to get is these roads to the mountains. And sometimes there's boulders that fell in the way and you gotta move the landslide and hope it doesn't hit you while you're driving.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's amazing. All the years of driving for comedy and how long I've driven. Never seen a falling rock once.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Not once.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That is science is falling rock. Never seen falling rock anytime ever.

[Joe Rogan]

I've only seen it on.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Never hit a deer.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy. You never hit one deer.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I was in a tour bus to hit a deer once. That was pretty nice.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I hit a rabbit recently.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I tried, though.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, did you?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, I thought you meant with your foot when you killed them both.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, I did that Actually happened to me recently. I was moving my lawn furniture because my Mexican lawn care people never moved the furniture back to where it's supposed to. Supposed to be. And I'm moving it back and I felt my foot go into the ground. And I heard. And these baby bunnies jumped out of a bunny's nest, which apparently they're underground. I had no idea. And yeah, they.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So Lewis reported those guys to ice. What a piece of. Dude, come on. They're just here trying to live the American dream, dude.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. The one jumped in my pool and went belly up. And I thought it was dead. I scooped it out with the skewer third and the goal garbage. My girlfriend was like, are you sure it's dead? I was like, I'm positive it's dead. It was.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Did you try feeding a carrots?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

She really did bring carrots out to these little broken bunnies. I was like, they don't want your carrots. Like these.

[Joe Rogan]

Did they live?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Stop trying to. What?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They did. Actually, I thought they were gonna die for sure because I called. It was. It was on Memorial Day because. And I called like. Like a rescue, an animal rescue place. And they were like, we're closed today. I called the cops. They'll come and get them euthanized. And we were like, no, I'd rather them die a slow death in my backyard. And eventually they just started hopping around the one guy, you know, we call him Limpy. And he was just pushing himself with one leg.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And you should have glued their. You should have glued their hands to their genitals and then hung them from something and be like, oh, another auto erotic officiation gone wrong. Great. The guy from nxs, David Cary. And now these rabbits.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

So he either lived or a hawk came and got him eventually.

[Joe Rogan]

But do you think that some of those auto asphyxiation guys were murdered and they were set up to be humiliated and look that way?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No. I think. Yeah. Do you see now that now they try to take the jerking off part away from all those stories now?

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. They don't.

[Joe Rogan]

How many stories are you reading that are auto erotic asphyxiation?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

None.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But he's watched a whole documentary on it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No. I'm gonna make my own documentary. Sound Garden jerked off to death. Linkin park jerked off. Anyone who hangs himself.

[Joe Rogan]

You mean Chris Cornell?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he. I don't think he was jerking off to death. Was he?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Theory that he thinks everyone theory.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's a strong theory.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you make it yourself?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Yes. Who's no evidence. You don't hang yourself from a fucking doorknob that low when you're not trying. They flash knock out while they're doing it and then they just die because they're being choked. They pass out. That's it. Yes, 100%. You heard it here first. And Lincoln Park.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Robin Williams.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Robin Williams. They said put a note. But again, I think now the. Since Michael Hutchins from NXS famously did that and David Carradine. That was news that made news. They were. They died from that.

[Joe Rogan]

How good could it possibly feel we had during sex?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I've had people call in to get choked out.

[Joe Rogan]

Like while you're nothing.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I've heard people call in, dude. People say it. It mimics. A lot of times former addicts do it because it mimics like the feeling of like the high of like heroin. It's what they said. But that's just people who called in to say that. Who knows? But because Michael Hutchinson and David. It's like the first. When you think of their name before you think of Even In Excess or any of the songs. You're like, oh yeah, he died jerking off. David carried in all those movies. Died jerking off. So now they'd rather have you think they were just depressed and going through it than saying that because that's all you're going to be known for now.

[Joe Rogan]

Right? It's probably pretty great theory. It's not a bad theory. If the family can hide that information, wouldn't it that he was jerking off. He can killed himself. The world doesn't need to know he's jerking off while he killed himself.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, you'd rather feel that it was on purpose because he was desperate and sad right then. He was such a weirdo that he had to jerk off and hang himself from a doorknob.

[Joe Rogan]

I heard there's a conspiracy involving the David Carradine one. I think David Carradine had run afoul with some shady characters.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Five to five Venoms. Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it was in Thailand. Wasn't it in Thailand or something like that where he won.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He's actually Kung Fu.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it. Is there a conspiracy theory attached that we should call Sam Triple the earth.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Bring HPV to foreign land?

[Joe Rogan]

He was Kung Fu when I was a kid. When I was a little kid, he was the guy that was doing martial arts on tv. High Chain Kane. Everybody called everybody grasshopper back then.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, but getting choked while you have sex rules.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

All right, bring it back up. I got really. I'm saying hanging on it was wearing.

[Joe Rogan]

Fishnet stockings and A dark wig when his body was found hanging in a Bangkok hotel. Hotel room. Grainy images printed in the tabloid Thai Wrath reportedly show kung fu actor suspended from a clothing bar in a closet. Red woman's lingerie appears to be on the bed adjacent to the body.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, this is somebody who hated him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that might be right. He. Okay. Found with his hands bound above his head and a rope around his neck, wrist, and genitals. How would one do that to themselves? Sorry. Details of Kill Bill Starr's sexual life begin to circle surface as the photos generated more questions about the actress. Mysterious death. That seems like you couldn't do that yourself unless you're, like, really ingenious. How do you. How do you bound. It says hands bound above his head. How you do that? And a rope around your neck, wrist, and genitals.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You need a really cool friend.

[Joe Rogan]

How are you doing that?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

One inch punch. One inch punch. Dude, are you.

[Joe Rogan]

Are you pulling it tight with your hand? Hands? What? Okay, yeah, let's. That. You look real gross. Yeah. There's a lot of accusations involving he's.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Giving his wiener the old five finger death punch.

[Joe Rogan]

But I mean, if. What are the, like, standards of, like, in Thailand, if they find you hanging wearing women's lingerie, do they really want to investigate? They're probably just gonna kill.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I don't want to touch that. It's icky.

[Joe Rogan]

They're probably like, how is he even. How is it auto erotic association if his hands are tied up too above his head?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's the weirder thing. I never saw. Saw that before those hands were above his head.

[Joe Rogan]

That sounds like.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That sounds like somebody walked away. Well, it's one of those. It might have gotten carried away and somebody just left because they're like, whoop, right?

[Joe Rogan]

He's like, maybe a lady was giving him head and then he came and then blacked out and she couldn't get him off the ropes.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, she just split.

[Joe Rogan]

Just booted out of there.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Not like Lincoln park and Soundgarden who were just jerking to each other's music.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't. I think some of them are just depressed. Dude, Bourdain was just depressed.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Suppressed, but who hangs? There's so many people hang themselves faster ways to take care of this.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't have anything around them other than a rope. And it's an impulsive decision.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And it's also like a. A romantic way to kill yourself. It's like, who's got rope?

[Joe Rogan]

You don't need rope in my garage. You need cord.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

How about the guy that your jizz sock from all your auto erotic asphyiation?

[Joe Rogan]

The guy that was connected to the Clintons that hung himself with electrical cord, then shot himself with the chest with a shotgun.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

From 40 yards away.

[Joe Rogan]

It looks a little sus. As the kids like to say, you.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Gotta kill yourself, Joe. How would you kill yourself if you had to?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, gun is definitely the best way. Right. Because it's quick.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. But if you shoot like your front lobe off and don't do that, don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Put it in your mouth like a real man.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That was the Richard Jenny. Richard Jenny, choke yourself. He missed. Yeah, he missed and died later.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he died in the hospital.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That'd be my biggest fear is like shooting, like just angling it wrong. Then just.

[Joe Rogan]

I saw a video of a guy who did that with a shotgun. He just took off the front of his face and was blind Lived. Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Life is now worse.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Richard Jenny takes his life. Dave Coulier never even tried to take his own.

[Joe Rogan]

Richard Jenny was funny.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Very funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Back in the day, he was the man. He was depressed that he never wound up being a movie star. He wanted to be like. He wanted to be the next Jim Carrey.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know, he did the. He got close with the mask and they said just made him more bummed.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy because he's like. To us, all the comics back then, he was the guy, you know, he.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, he was on all those shows. Were you doing comedy at a time? Did you. Do you have performances on like a list and Stand up Spotlight or VH1? I did a bunch of those things.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I did a bunch of those.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Caroline's comedy hours.

[Joe Rogan]

I did MTV half hour Comedy hour.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That was Paulie, right?

[Joe Rogan]

No, that was. Paulie was totally, totally Bali. MTV Half hour Comedy Hour was another show that would do, you know, you do like 10 minutes or something. I forget what the time was.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

VH1 did one of those with Rosie O' Donnell. Kind of hosted them or something.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep, yep.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It seemed like it was a pretty fun time in comedy. Comedy was pretty polluted with like a lot of same old, same old.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

At the time. But I mean, like, what a time to kind of like. That's why it was funny. When I was opening for David Tell all those years, he couldn't get a grasp on like the change that I was experiencing that he. Because he was kind of like, after three years, like, you want to go with me to this club again? And I'd go, absolutely. And you go, aren't you headlining this place yet? And it's like, it doesn't work like that anymore. Because he's from a time where they said, if you got an hour of comedy together, then you tore. That's what they say. Well, Dave, you tore that hour of comedy. He goes, you can't just do that. Like, you need places to book you.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well, Dave, before. I mean, back when I started this 21 years ago ago, like, people would just have their act. Do you remember Seinfeld's documentary where he was like, he's like, I'm gonna get rid of my act after 20 years and have a new hour. It's like, that's what everyone does now. The standard of comedy has changed so much. Yeah, but if I could tell was always like that, he would turn over. He was very prolific.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, no, for sure. I'm saying he didn't get that, like, the change that now you have to be able to sell tickets.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

To get book places first. It wasn't just like, well, you're one of the comics who has an hour in the country.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

There was a time where it was that it was like these guys just. I think it was like the two coasts, really, with all of it, you know, I mean, then the Internet, I think, really opened it up to the rest of the country, and it's like, saturation.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You used to be able to go to clubs and build a market, so you just keep returning. You turn like, once a year, and after a few years, people would come to see you like, oh, Big J's coming. He's really funny.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Last time, San Fran, Punchline, Stress Factory are maybe two of the only clubs that really. I know there's more. Oh, the. The Providence Comedy Connection. Let me go there and have enjoyed watching it be like, you know, giving me a couple hundred dollars for a weekend to change over the years.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I opened for you $600 for the weekend as the headliner.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They give you a chance, and if you're good and they know you're good and they give you a chance that people trust them because they got a long history of booking good comedy. It's like, who's this guy? Is he good? Oh, let's take a chance.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Right? But they're. But places got afraid. I remember that. That hurts so much. I opened for Steve O. When he first started doing comedy, stand up performing. And I'd done DC Improv with the tell and stuff before, and I did that weekend. And I hate when you go hat in hand to places and you get bad news. I remember going to the Book her there. Who was like, someone who's, like, so friendly to me now. And she's great, you know, but, like, it was so hard. I go, hey, just now, I'd love to come back and headline. Are you looking at an off weekend? One of these people don't want to do Fourth of July, Thanksgiving, whatever. And she goes, yeah, I'd love to, but you don't sell any tickets. So it's all about selling tickets. And she's kind of laid it out like that. And I just thought I was like, well, how do you. I didn't know how to start making that happen. Especially when we started, like, Legion of Skanks and stuff.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well, the podcasting sort of created an opportunity for comics to the best. Yeah. People, they know us. They feel like they're really, like, sitting here with us.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they really are. Right? And we talk like this if we were in the green room. The difference between podcasts and everything else is we're really talking just the way we talk.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know, everyone also gets mad to it. Like, what the thing is, besides stand up, that makes it happen, whether it's podcasts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Internet videos.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I've learned also to stop having that because people get a lot too much rap into that. Like, there's a social media comic or there's a. Whatever. It goes, buddy. I don't know. My ex wife does comedy, and people ask me, like, are you mad that she does comedy? Like, I can't judge why anybody gets involved in it. I got involved. Like, somebody suggested it to me.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy to even want to.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

To care.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, who gives a.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like, why'd you do it? Because. Oh, because I was having funny tweets, so I figured I'd give it a shot. Like, okay. It seems like a good enough reason as anybody else starts the first decade.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You don't even. There's no path. Like, what is the path to, like, even making money money. You're just doing it blindly going like, I hope something happens. Eventually people get mad.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Because I think there is a path now to making money very quick, and people are doing it. And so it's that.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's the Howard Stern used to. On it was that our famous thing with him and Ari on the idea of podcasts. But when people were shitty about that, I always understood his anger. At least I don't agree with it, but I understand when he did the.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, his anger makes sense because he was already super famous.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, but his argument was. Was saying I had to do am shift.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

2Am to 6am in this shitty town. I had to do this and I. And I played music until they realized it would be better to Let me talk 10 years later, you know, and he. And he went through all that. It's just like. Well, you could flip on a switch and if you have an audience already or connected to somebody who has an audience, like you're doing it already, like you're just doing it now.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, also, the difference is we all hang out with each other and do each other's podcasts, whereas those radio guys all hated each other.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Like Howard Stern. Yeah. They would talk shit about each other all the time.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Used to have, what was it? Jocktobertober, where they would just find shitty radio shows and they would have their fans torture them for an entire month. Oh, so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Brutal. Fucking brutal.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And yeah, cut.

[Joe Rogan]

It was. Doesn't have to be right because, like, you could only be the one big radio guy in Philly, you know, and if Stern was coming into Philly and if they're going to open up like a syndication thing, he was going to. To talk crazy on the big guy in Philly, whoever it was or whatever city it was.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I do feel it's interesting watching. I wonder if this happens with every generation. The comedy dollar gets stretched, though, because it is kind of funny. Not that it necessarily hurt. I think the now with like having these kind of like sham. I'm opening for shame at some of these arenas and stuff. It's amazing. He's getting like 18, 20 some thousand people into these places and doing it. One that's very difficult to like, think of new jokes when you're doing comedy like that all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

But we do clean clubs, for sure.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, I do have to.

[Joe Rogan]

No, but I mean, you have to.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like a Shane will do clubs. Oh, no, for sure. I'm just saying, like a ticket to see someone in an arena is. It's before they'd be able to see everyone they loved was coming through the improv or whatever. And then a couple were doing theaters.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like now it's like it's a night out at like a sporting event to go see comedy where it's like they might not have the money next week to go see me or Lewis at a club. I think it has changed. It's interesting in that way.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's some people that just don't want to spend that kind of money, go to an arena anyway, and they'd rather go see someone in a club. Sure.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's a better experience. That's how comedy is supposed to be.

[Joe Rogan]

The best experience, though, in an arena is in the round. In the round.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's how Shane does it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like a giant club. It's like a giant club because the people on this side are watching, the people on that side laugh, and you're all laughing at each other. It's very intimate. Weirdly, even though there's like 16,000 people, the comedy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The only comedy I don't love at all of the three things. Clubs, theaters, is theaters. Theaters is impersonal from the crowd enough and also personal enough that they. You could still do bad. They could turn on you. A theater, possibly, if you're not the person they're there to see or even if you know what I mean. There's like a Nick Swartz and thing that where he. They turned on him.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he was lit on edibles.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He couldn't remember what the.

[Joe Rogan]

He was talking about.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They weren't with him no matter what. Like, they did turn on him. Something about the arena. And again, Shane's doing an hour at these things, which is impressive as hell. For the 20 minutes I have to do. It's like, how could this go bad? Like, it's just if. If anyone's laughing in there, it sounds like a million.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Shane had a guy open for him. I don't want to trash the guy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I heard it was a sound issue, though.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But he just like, dude, he just started getting booed to. Getting booed out of an arena is crazy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Crazy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I mean, you have to feel like. It has to feel like. Like being like you're getting the same reaction like that the visiting team gets when they go to that arena.

[Joe Rogan]

I seen it on Kill Tony.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It happened to a comic.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Kill Tony arena shows, too happened. Somebody. Somebody will do two jokes in a row. That bomb. And then the crowd's like, fuck this guy. And then it's almost fun. I think it's because people are in that environment. They think it's fun to do it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

JFC and TI Got booed something when he was doing comedy, like, at a big arena.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Well, it wasn't, you know, he didn't have it tight. No, he shouldn't do that. You can't just jump into, you know.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But you can just lose him. So Damien Lemon, very, very funny comic. He did, like, the Hot 97 Summer Jam comedy thing. And, like, they turned on him hard. And when it turns it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Or the most famous one of all, Bill Burr on the Traveling Virus. Opie and Anthony back in the day. In Philly.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, because they had turned on Dom A before.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. And then he came out.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Everybody.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. He said, fuck this crowd. And he spent 15 minutes just shitting. It's one of the most beautiful moments, legendary moments in comedy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm from Philly, and it's one of my favorite lines there about Philly that is indicative of that town that I love. He says, joe Frazier's from here. Who beat Mike Tight or beat Muhammad Ali. No. No statues to him. No nothing. And you have a statue of an fictitious Italian heavyweight.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He's like, you piece of shit. Through batteries. That sa Santa Claus. This town.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a classic. And he kept rattling off seven more minutes.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like, I know. That's funny. He had to quit that tour because everywhere he went then they would start booing him because they'd be like, do Cleveland now. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. That was like a. That was like this before viral videos were happening. Like that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Right.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It was such shitty, grainy footage. But that's when I. I mean, maybe my first year in comedy, that happened a couple years in, and you're just seeing that and it's like. It's such a comics moment where you're like, you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Just.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, it's a big pin. It's a big moment to have in comedy. I said a few of them. When you. When silence doesn't scare you anymore, or just the MO. Just. I could talk into a microphone, especially for 15 minutes under any circumstance. You know, I mean, like, it'll suck if it's a terrible. You got. They're already booing. Go out in the very beginning. There's no one there. But, like, I'm not afraid of the moment. That's a big. That's a big thing to get over. And that's what. You know, being scared for the moment when you're heading overseas. The first time. Time I was like, do they even understand English here in England?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The first five minutes, if you're doing a headlining set that's not going well, and you're like, oh, it's going to be another hour. God damn it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Are you a long time guy or. Or do you try to do like. Like when you headline some?

[Joe Rogan]

I do an hour.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

An hour?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Especially if I'm on the road.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Always. I don't really have an hour right now, so I'm like, putting it together. I think last night I did 50 minutes, you know, and like, some of it, I keep forgetting my new stuff, you know, It's a lot of new stuff because it's all since August.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

You know. And I took a couple months off where I wasn't doing stand up at all. I was like, let me just refresh my brain. And then I hopped on, started doing other people's shows. Then I had some old bits that I'd never put on the special and I started bringing them back and piecing it together. But it's like you gotta have a real set before you take that on the road. You can't think you could have like a club 45 minutes and go do an arena. Like if you're gonna do an arena.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

For an arena for sure you gotta.

[Joe Rogan]

Have a real set.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I work out in the clubs on the road road have to particularly. I mean like. But it's. Burr said that backing for a special.

[Joe Rogan]

Really Burr said that back in the day we were just talking about someone special. It's like he didn't do the clubs and he's like, he's right like this person. Like some persons, they start doing theaters, big theaters they do real well and they just keep doing that only same opening act every time crowd wants to see them. And you develop like a. It's like a soft act. Yeah, yeah. Not good. You need clubs, man.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, but Austin's great for that as well. So you. What you did definitely down here is you. You gotta. You've cultivated like comedy fans that want to see edgier. They want to hear up jokes. New York and la. They don't really like if you're just going on a random pop in set at the stand or the seller or the Comedy Store into some random show and they don't know who you are. You start doing up. They get very tight, very tight. Like down here. Like you go in the main room of the mothership or at the creek. I mean these. They're comedy fans. They're like legit. Legit. It's become like a comedy destination kind of how like you know, people go to New Orleans for jazz.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, this town doesn't seem to feel like it has the same responsibility to like correct bad behavior on stage. New York has in LA has sometimes like they'll. They want to let you know that you're out of line. They don't want you talking about a certain subject.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's like did you think there was going to be when you opened the club? Did you like foresee the dissension stuff that happens just within the scene? The people that don't work there bitching about this for this reason and the people who.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a walled Garden.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And everyone goes, they got in there because of this and I'm not in there because of this.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a. They have a walled garden perspective. You see a bunch of people having a good time and you're not involved. Those people. It's normal. It's a natural reaction that people have to like this intimate community of people that are all friends that are having a great time. It's normal to hate it. But it's not all wild comedy. There's a lot of like, really clean comics that come here. The Kill, like Vecchion is pretty clean.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He's hilarious sometimes.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, he's on hilarious guys and murders.

[Joe Rogan]

At the club Beast. He's a beast. But it doesn't matter. It's just funny. It's just whatever kind of funny you're into. Holtzman comes and destroys.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm not even saying the booking is like one dimensional anyway. I'm just saying that you can. Did you even foresee there be comics that were gonna be eventually like, clip sucks anyways.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't hear about them.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You stay away, I guess doesn't make its way to you. They wouldn't be stupid.

[Joe Rogan]

You're gonna have people that complain about anything that they're not involved in.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

They're gonna decide it sucks. Like, how could it suck if you've got two days of open mics? How could it suck if the comics get paid more than anywhere else? How could it suck if it's entirely set up for comedy? How could it suck if it's super supportive of the comedian, gives him a path.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What is the path for the young comic in?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's a real. There's a real talent coordinator. You know, Adam E. Gets a real talent coordinator, sits there and he watches your set. He gives you advice. He'll have you come back and do it again. He'll give you spots on certain shows. They start developing comedians and it's like anything else.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Like, you know, this business is about being likable and getting people to want to watch you succeed. Yeah. Where it's like, you'll get your opportunity if you fucking. If all the other comics are like, yo, this guy's funny, you should take a look at him. I've seen that happen directly. Can I get the lighter again?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, we. We have it set up for development. Like the whole idea is like, you want to develop new talent there. And Kill Tony is the best vehicle for. With that ever. You know, if you have a banger minute on Kill Tony, you could become a star. And if you could reproduce that every week 59 times. Kind of crazy that some of them have to do that, you know, I mean, it's. It's an incredible writing exercise.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's kind of crazy. The advice that I would have given a young comic, you know, 15 years ago. I was a young comic at the time, too, but it's like, I like, do not be on camera for the first decade that you do comedy. Develop an act for first. But now a lot of these guys just. They have the opportunity. It's like.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But you can't be detrimental if you really eat on it. And you're like a three year.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I don't think people remember people bombing on Kill Tony where it'll be detrimental to your career.

[Joe Rogan]

It could be, but, you know, it could not so bad. You bounce back and have a great set the next time. And the people love you. I've seen that happen too. Look, it's you taking a risk when you're doing a new minute every week. It's a real possibility you might have a dud.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, especially if you're new to the game. You've only been doing it four years. You got some talent.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But, you know, I genuinely don't know. It's an interesting thing. When I did do it, essentially at Madison Square Garden.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You guys were there. It's an interesting thing. They're trying to whittle down in your head, like, what the Is just a minute.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But they were all pumped to see you, so it was easier.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, of course. That's an arena atmosphere, too. It's like it's our game to lose.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The Garden, I think, was like the best arena Kill Tony show. Like, it was like. It was really cool. I went both nights and whatever. It was like, they were just. The. The crowds were so lit on watching those shows. Like, nobody got booed. There was no problems. Like, super supportive.

[Joe Rogan]

Super supportive. Well, some people got booed. This is people that bombed.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Did they?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, a couple people. I think someone went right before me.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, a couple people. It's. Look, it's hard to do, man. And it's fun to watch someone just go out there and fail. Sometimes it just is. It's very, very people. It makes the people that succeed. Succeed look better.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

When I do Kill Tony, as a panelist, I love watching somebody bond. It's my favorite thing. Because then you just trash them. You get to fucking make fun of them. That was. I thought that's what. When we started doing the show, I. I've been on. I'VE been a panelist on Kill Tony, I think I might have the number one amount of times, like 25 times I've been a panelist. And when we started doing it, like, back in the day in the Comedy Store, in the. The Belly Room, the most fun we would have is when somebody just had a hot one and then we would. Would just trash them. It became way more supportive. Now, like, the whole show format is, like, really, like, Tony trying to put guys over. But back in the day, we were just mean. It was just like a mean, evil thing. It was so fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it evolved. Those Belly Room days were wild because, you know, like, half the crowd would be like, comics.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There was no one there. It was fun. They. But he kept doing it. I mean, he did it over and over and over again till he honed that down like a samurai sword.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, no, I'm super impressed with it. Like, you know, Tony's. Tony's the man. But that show itself is, like.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think it's inspiration for, like, Story wars, you know, very different show. It's just the idea of, like, the live.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The format and, like. Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know, Skanks has always been a live show, but the development of Story War has been very, like.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well, it's also easier when you have a format. Like, we literally just set the table and then play, and it's like, we don't have to really do much. When you're on a podcast like this or like Skanks, you have to actually kind of, like, be a little bit more present and, like, just sort of like you're trying to connect with the comics in a different way. When we. Or our. We do, it's like a game show that we created, and it's just super formatted, so it's just kind of easy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

To just plug and play. Funny.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, you guys, by doing Legion of Skanks just by the name itself, it, like, opened up the door to wild comedy because it's like, you know what you're getting into. It's called. The show's called Legion of.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well, this was a brilliant idea that Jay had. Like, our. Our secondary tagline is the most offensive podcast on earth. And it's not. There's more offensive podcasts, but it lets people. I think that's the reason we've never gotten in trouble is because you know exactly what you're going to get.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's great, like, for anybody to go.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Why would you watch this if you don't watch the most offensive podcast but.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You look like an idiot if you start complaining about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Adam Crawler had a great analogy about it when he did our show. He said he was like, this is what you got. Why you guys get away with it? He's like, like when Snoop Dogg goes to the Grammys, Snoop Dogg goes backstage and he likes a blunt and nobody's like, you can't smoke back here. It's like, you invited Snoop Dogg. You know what the you're going to get. Right? And it's the same thing with us. I think people know what they're going to get with us and we sort of, you know, play and have fun and do our thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you give a. An avenue for comedians that's like, you know, where, where people know what they're going to get and, and obviously people flock to it. I mean, Skank Fest sells out immediately.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So you guys, people love the vibe. It's fun. It's just fun. We're. We're not here to take ourselves seriously.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Also, broadcasting has done something for comedy. It's pretty amazing that I think broadcasters, like the Howard Sterns, they had that all the time. It's very interesting when you meet the people, they know you inside now. They know the time you told a story about the thing you fear the most and they know whatever. And oh yeah. I had to get used to stuff like that where they'd be like, hey, your daughter picking a college and you go the you. I'm like, oh, I guess. And you're like, oh, I guess. I talked about that on the radio this week.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So it's interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

It's weird. You can forget that there's an audience out there sometimes.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, you forget sometimes the things you say have weight to them, you know?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, absolutely. We found out the hard way. When we started out, who knew what this was gonna happen. When we started Legion, we started Legion of Skanks pretty early podcast times, not thinking about anything.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

14 years ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't you think even now sometimes you say things you're like, I shouldn't have said that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No. Unless it's. I don't, I don't. Unless it's about a person. Sometimes it's about people.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

That's what we learned. We learned to stop making fun of retarded children. I. The Internet families. Well, we do sometimes, but I've had to apologize to multiple families of mentally handicapped people cuz we've done bits on the show and I mean, we've gotten a. Where they, they would come to me and be Like. Like, what is wrong with you? This, like a child that has, like, down syndrome. We're like, we had no idea that they.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Then they get on the phone with Lewis and they're like, I didn't mind. It was funny.

[Joe Rogan]

The problem is, didn't it happen?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Didn't someone say to you they were kidding?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well, no, the twice now that happened. And both times ended up becoming very friendly with the family. They came out to see me at shows. They brought the kid.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Now he's your burden.

[Joe Rogan]

Because that's the problem is, like, you're saying things with your friends like you would normally say, yeah, but then you don't really.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Ron Banking calls it corner talk. Just corner talk with the guy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

There's a real person on the end of these stories sometimes. And that's the thing. The only thing that's changed is I think in the beginning we would just say, whatever, there'd be a silly story. And now I'm going like, well, all right, is this person gonna hear this? And it's just a normal person who's like, their parents are raising a special needs kid. This is a tough enough life as it is, buddy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I felt terrible last time I came. Came in here. When you talked about. I was like, hey, you know, is that video going right, of that girl freaking out? And I was just going like, yeah, it's just like, she wasn't ready for this moment. But I went. Didn't say the name on purpose. And there's so many videos on the Internet, they're like, jay takes a on this girl. No, it's not what I did.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, yeah, sometimes you say things because you're just talking, and then you realize, like, that other person's gonna hear that. I did that recently. And I. I'd like to apologize to this guy. There's this guy named Flint Dibble, who's an archaeologist. And I said, he attacks other archaeologists, like Graham Hancock. And he says some terrible things. But what I did was very counterproductive. What I said was like, these weak, bitchy men. And I named him. I'm like. And then he tweeted about it. He said, I have stage four cancer. And I'm like, forgot he had cancer. I didn't mean him physically. I meant his behavior. But it. It made me feel bad, so.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, the guy's got a bitch body that's been taken over cancer.

[Joe Rogan]

I was wrong. It was what I said. I shouldn't have said. I. There's. Sometimes I say things and I just think I'm talking with friends and I realize it's going to hurt someone's feelings on the other, and it's counterproductive. Like, I'm doing the exact thing I'm accusing him of doing. He's attacking other people. I'm attacking him. Stupid.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And we can be funny with anything. You don't need to like.

[Joe Rogan]

But I wasn't even being funny. I was talking to an archaeologist. I just get. Man, I got angry at this process that sometimes, like, established archaeologists are attacking. These people have legitimate ideas, but I. I shouldn't have done. Done it that way.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And you just like archaeology one passion?

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's like I. You know, I talk about a lot of different things, but I talk too often. Like, I normally talk. Like, sometimes when you talking about, like, a serious thing, like, you probably shouldn't insult people. It just. It comes normal. Like that idiot. You know, like, it comes out, sure. And you go, ah, yeah, shouldn't have.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You know, we do that all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

You get loose. You get a little too comfortable.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, I tell you also, that's the smart move. I said that Howard Stern did years ago that I'm trying to get better at and do when you think something's ridiculous, praise it and then use it. And you could show everybody without having to make fun of it themselves. Do you know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, right, right.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

To make fun of themselves. That was the core.

[Joe Rogan]

I definitely do that. Well, I do that sometimes when I'm questioning people and I know they're not telling me the truth, and I'll say, wait a minute. So what you're saying is. And so I don't even have to, like, say, that's ridiculous.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's fucking.

[Joe Rogan]

I just let the Internet have it, you know?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, you go, you know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, epstein didn't kill himself. You know, like, that kind of a deal. Like, okay, you know, like, let the Internet deal with this. I'm not going to deal with this. This is like, I could only be so pushy, you know, when people don't want to talk about a specific thing or want to give you an answer that you think is pretty much gaslighting you? You're like, okay, so that. That's a real ufo. All right, you might. You know, I have people coming here all the time that I know are bullshitting me. I know they are. Like, I. I feel it. You know? And sometimes it's just like, all right, he's. What are you gonna do?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You'll call them sometimes.

[Joe Rogan]

Sometimes. But, like, sometimes I don't know.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Who was the guy Years ago, you had an argument with. But it was again, sometimes when vernacular causes the problem. I feel like at the time you were just like in a rhythm of saying the word at the end of a sentence a lot. And you said something, you go, you're like, come on, you can't think that way. And he was like, you're calling me a. You're pulling the out of me.

[Joe Rogan]

Who was it?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Was it Crowder?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right. We were. It was a weed conversation.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I thought I was talking to.

[Joe Rogan]

Him like a comedian. Like he would just go along with it and he got genuinely offended.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He's like, I feel like you're bullying me.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we said he. We were bullying him because we were like researching information live. That was countering what he was saying.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It was trying.

[Joe Rogan]

And he didn't have access to it. I was like, all right, you know, whatever.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

So he's being a real.

[Joe Rogan]

I was trying to be a good host and I wasn't. And I was being too like a comic. Like, I could talk to you that way. We would have fun. I could talk to you that way. We'd have fun. He wasn't. He was a little serious.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You can call Louis a All day problem. Some people just on this guy.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

If you're choking me while I jerk off, you can whatever you want.

[Joe Rogan]

Some people just get serious and you don't realize they're serious. Like, oh, you're serious. Like you're really upset. Okay. Cuz we're so used to talking. It's so normal. Like when people talk about me, I'm like, eh, I would do that. What am I going to do?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You're too famous to not. You can't get offended. You're. You're so big at this point that it's just part of the territory.

[Joe Rogan]

That's part of the problem with saying things like about that Flint Dibble guy. You don't think about it while you're saying it. Like you're saying it to millions of people.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like it's not just talking, you know?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And you're like guys dusting off a raptor bone. And you just see a tear hit it because he's listening to you in his headphones. That guy's a dumb idiot.

[Joe Rogan]

I genuinely felt bad.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

My raptor bone.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's like I actually didn't have a bad time talking to him. We had to confront him on this one thing because he accused Graham Hancock of being attached to white supremacy. And, and, and this like, weird thing about Atlantis. Like, how does that have anything like. And he tried to deny it. And we pulled up the quote that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He did because Hancock says, no, Atlantis, no.

[Joe Rogan]

This is like this thing that these people do when they try to discredit things, like certain academics will do. Well, they'll connect what you're doing to racism or homophobia. They're just trying to, like, virtue signal their way into a position where everything you're doing is wrong. And it's the. The thing about Atlantis is a weird one. It's like, it's. Apparently, at one point in time, there was some white supremacist that, like, was pushing the theory of Atlantis being this great white race. But that's not what any of the people that are legitimately trying to research it think. Well, you think they was in sub Saharan Africa.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You think black people are going to let their hair be wet all the time? I'm no archeologist, but I am a bitch.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you think Atlantis is? You think they get in the water?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, isn't it the underwater.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

What an idiot, right? I didn't think that either, Joe.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What we talk about the Bahamas, Atlantis.

[Joe Rogan]

They believe, was this structure. There was a series of concentric circles that had, like, a lake running through it. It. It's like, really fascinating because there's this place called the Richard Structure in South Africa. And this is another one of those things that archaeologists will argue about because this thing looks like Atlantis. And there's this guy named Jimmy Corsetti, and he gets labeled a Nazi for talking about. It's like, weird stuff, man, where they try to make you look like you're racist for pursuing this idea and the.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

People who defend them. If you defend a person for defending racism, you're defending racism. It becomes this whole stupid argument that nobody really believes, and it only exists on the Internet. Nobody in real life gives academia.

[Joe Rogan]

They believe it. And if they don't believe it, they use it as a tool, and they'll use it as a tool to dismiss you. But this is one of the things that came up during that topic, that when even archaeologists come up with a new timeline for things where it throws the old history into a tizzy, they attack them. Like, and they. Graham Hancock brought up this concept of Clovis first. They used to think that the CLOVIS People, like, 13,000 years ago, were the first people in North America. And this one guy found evidence of people that lived a long time ago, and they fucking ruthlessly destroyed his career. They attacked this guy. It turned out he was right. And they found these footprints in White Sands, New Mexico. They're 22,000 years old of human beings. So they were probably living here even before that. But they destroy people that come up with an idea that throws their expertise into question question. And that's what they're, they're all doing with Graham Hancock. They, what they do is he's pointing out that there's some real evidence that perhaps there was an advanced civilization that was thousands of years older than we think.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Civilization started at no crime and only three pointers.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it is in Africa. That's the fascinating thing. It's all in Africa. Egypt's in Africa. You know this, all this sub Saharan stuff where they think the Richard structure show what it looks like. It's crazy because the area when you zoom out looks like it was hit with a massive flood. Like everything looked like all water erosion. Like it was like massive amounts of water just destroyed the landscape. It still looks like that today. And it's in the exact same plate. Like it's, it's. The mountains are north of it, the seas below it. That's what it looks like. And that is like the size that Atlantis has described it in Plato's recollections of it or Plato's stories about it. You know, there's a lot of debate about it, but the position that it's in and the weirdness of what it is makes a bunch of these ancient history guys that really believe in Atlantis, just like they really believed in Troy. They thought Troy was mythical until they found it and then they're like, oh geez, Troy was a real thing. So there's a lot of these people that, that are the gatekeepers of academia and they, they don't want anything to be dated older than what they've established and what they've taught in lectures and.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, because everything's wrong, then.

[Joe Rogan]

Everything's wrong. Well, everything is wrong. There's weird stuff like Lebanon. Have you seen those, those stones in Lebanon? No, there, there's these immense. I think they're called the Trilithon stones or the Trillion Flintstones. They're so big and they're supposed to be somebody's move these from a quarry and place them in place. And you look at him like how, how long ago? And then there's older stuff, there's stuff that's built on top of it. Look at this.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Flintstone theory works here, but I think it's a brontosaurus that a man is controlling Baalbek.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what it is. Look at the size of these stones. And if that one up in the top. In the center, right to the right of that. Jamie, that one. So that shows you the size of these stones that are in place. Like, if you put a person next to them, they'd be like, these are five meters high. That's bananas.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

How many miles per hour is that?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. 5 is 25ft. So those are 25ft high. 15. Oh, sorry. 3 is 3, right? Yeah, sorry. My math sucks, obviously. But these stones weigh some insane amount, and there's no explanation. Those cornerstones, that's all one giant at peace. And where. How. How the did you do that? And there's a bunch of. In Malta, they found Neanderthal bones. So maybe Neanderthals were in Malta, and maybe the land bridge was connected. And there's all this confusion about the date of these, like, ancient structures, because it seems like people built other structures on top of them. And when they find stuff like this, there's like, this great resistance of anybody to try to, like, say they don't understand. Understand it. They always try to come up with some sort of an explanation, even when it doesn't make any sense.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Wasn't the. The Coliseum. Wasn't it completely underground at one point? They discovered it.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no, no.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

This.

[Joe Rogan]

The sphinx was underground. This. But the head was above it. And then they cleared out the sand. The Coliseum, you came off stupid as there. No, I. I don't think it was underground. No, no, The Coliseum has always been there. But they did used to be able to get water in it. They used to have water fights. They have boat fights in it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It was crazy, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine really cool watching people get eaten by lions in front of everybody. Imagine what that was like.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well, back then, you understand, they didn't, like. They would have these games, and they would bring in, like. Like, you know, they would have, like, hunts, and they would have, like, animal fights and like that. But it's like, back then, to see a giraffe, it looked like an alien. Like, they didn't. They. They had no idea what. They would bring in animals from Africa. Like, rhinoceros.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. These people didn't have YouTube. They were traveling.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They had no idea. It was like. It literally YouTube. Like, you're watching aliens fight.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you been in the Coliseum?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. It was incredible.

[Joe Rogan]

You see those things where they lift them up through the floor and the.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Lines will pop out. The whole. They had. Underground. Underground. They have a whole pulley system where, like, they have elevators and they would have slaves like, pulling people up. And it was a whole show. It was a really cool thing.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

We appreciate seeing slaves.

[Joe Rogan]

They had that right now. If they had that right now, we would watch it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If there's something on YouTube like, I've already seen. Have you seen the night fights where guys dress up in armor and beat the fuck out?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Harrington? Harrington. He does the commentary for it. He's like the joker Joe Rogan of night fighting.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so ridiculous, dude. Yeah, they hit each other with battle axes and.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, a scepter strike to the leg.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But it's like they look tough, and then they take their helmets off and they're just virgins. It's like just these really nerdy fat dudes.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Preemptive balling.

[Joe Rogan]

Some of them know how to fight, though. I've seen ones where guys take guys down, leg kick them.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They're MMA guys that are getting into it. It's just another, like, outlet.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Another outlet. Part.

[Jamie Vernon]

Part of the floor of the Coliseum was buried until the mid 19th century.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you were right. There you go.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I knew. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

One I don't want.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I don't want to correct.

[Joe Rogan]

Chimian floor lay buried under 40ft of earth. All memory of its function even existed. What is. Is that the floor that lifts up? Is that what that is?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, the floor. There was stuff sticking out of it. And then they went and they. They. They uncovered that there was, like, an entire underground system. Like, all this. It was actually really.

[Joe Rogan]

Someone cover it up. What? Did you go back to that description, Jamie? Because I think it explained that someone covered it up.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, I mean, they destroyed most of Rome, so I'm sure as part of it.

[Joe Rogan]

I wonder why they did that.

[Jamie Vernon]

They were using all this for my.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

The. The tour that I did at the Coliseum was boring.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Mussolini fixed it. The guy wasn't all bad.

[Joe Rogan]

What were you saying, Jamie? What'd you say?

[Jamie Vernon]

They were using the other pieces of the city for construction or whatever else. They're building new stuff, you know, same with, like, the. The pyramids people.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Mussolini, what a monster. Monster. I go clean the floor of the Coliseum.

[Joe Rogan]

They did that with the pyramids. They stole the stones from the outside of it.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

People are so gross.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, it was crazy. Well, remember the Trevi Fountain a few years ago in Rome? They. They poured, like, black ink in it or something. Just protesters. It was like they literally had to drain the fountain, and it took, like, however many months to clean it. It was up.

[Joe Rogan]

The Coliseum architects made changes to allow new methods of stagecraft. Other changes were accidental fire Sparked by Lightning in 217ad gutted the stone stadium. Sent huge blocks of travertine plunging into the hypogeum.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

That whole area is so nuts.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

217. How do they have those facts?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Coliseum is really cool. I learned more about it. I did a. Like a gladiator training program with my son. They, like. It was like, a little, like, place you went. And I learned so much about the Coliseum doing that more than the tour. The tour was boring. As I went in, like, August, it was 110 degrees out. It was insane.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He's aggressively trying to make a on straight.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But that was. That was a cool experience.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, dude, it's cool as, man.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

They didn't kill each other, the gladiators. Like, that's all. Like, that's all lies. It was none of that because it was like pro wrestlers. If your gladiator killed another gladiator, the. The guy who owned that gladiator would have to pay the other guy who owned that gladiator. They were all slaves. It was all just show. It was like pro wrestling. They would cut each other, but they had, like, big, like, fat bellies, so they wouldn't cut each other's organs. They do how to, like, do it in a certain way. All show, really. It did happen once in a while, but that was more rare when you see an actual death.

[Joe Rogan]

So occasionally they would fight for real to the death.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I don't even. Yeah, I'm sure occasionally they did.

[Joe Rogan]

Where did you get all this information?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

From my gladiator training program.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Really?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The guy's certified. I mean, what are you gonna do.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Argue the guy weapons and the. The costumes they would wear. And like, the type of armor they would wear is like, there. There was like, you know, whatever, like, you know, a couple dozen different types of guys. And like, oh, that's the guy with the mace and like, a certain helmet. And it was like, it was free as well. All the people in Rome, there wasn't a ticket price. The government would sponsor it. So it was just to get people like, you know, keep them happy. And the richer you were, the closer you were like, all the peasants would be up in the rafters.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But.

[Joe Rogan]

So the movie gladiators.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

There was no thumbs down, thumbs up.

[Joe Rogan]

What.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Common misconception that gladiators always fought to the death. The winner survived and the loser died. Very rarely and usually with special dispensation from the emperor would there be sign miso battles, which automatically meant death for the loser with no chance of being spared. So occasionally they died.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, Very rarely they died, but they were like celebrities. Like, the gladiators would come out and they were like, wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Some historians say, oh, wait a minute. One in five died in battle. That's a lot. Others say one in ten. Most only lived to their mid-20s, which compared to today's.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Well, they would die of their injuries very often, not be. It wasn't like it was fight to the death. They just didn't have medicine. Like, yeah, they would get stabbed and infected.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But Gladiator 2 was right, though. Right, but that.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I mean, when he's talking about the water, they would fill it up with water and have boat fights. That was a real thing in Gladiator 2.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I see. Not now. I'm bummed out. I thought they really fought to the.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Death, like, every time. Yeah, yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

God damn, dude. Well, I've got bad news about the WWF also. Oh, my God. Then you know what? I might as well pull the band aid off if we're already here wrestling also.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

But it was, yeah, it was like, akin to pro wrestling. Like, they would have, like, personalities and people would.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, that was a problem in Japan in the early days of mma. Some of the fights were fixed. Yeah, you could tell. And you could tell, like, certain guys would win by leg lock stomp.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

And they have professional wrestler, like, promoters do those MMA fights.

[Joe Rogan]

What does it say, Jim?

[Jamie Vernon]

Describing the animal hunts they did, But I'll skip ahead to this part here.

[Joe Rogan]

Hypogm played a vital role in these staged hunts, allowing animals and hunters to enter the arena count countless ways. Eyewitnesses describe how animals appeared suddenly from below, as if by magic, sometimes apparently launched high into the air. The hypogeum allowed the organizers of the game to create surprises and build suspense. A hunter in the arena wouldn't know where the next lion would appear or whether two or three lions might emerge instead of one.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah, out of those, like, trap doors in the bottom, a lion would just jump out and then. And you're watching a dude, like, hunting lions. How cool is that?

[Joe Rogan]

Though this uncertainty could be exploited for comic effect.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He goes, guys, I'm not afraid of no ass lion. I fuck a line. He's right behind me, isn't he?

[Joe Rogan]

Emperor Gallenius punished a merchant who had swindled the Empress, selling her glass jewels instead of authentic ones by setting him in the arena to face a ferocious lion. When the cage opened, however, a chicken walked out to the delight of the cloud the crowd. Glenus then told the Herald to pack claim he practiced deceit and Then had it practiced on him. The emperor let the jeweler go home. Whoa. So they let people.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So it wasn't that killed them days later.

[Joe Rogan]

They were less mean than we thought.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. Yeah, it was still pretty brutal.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it was brutal. Time to be alive back then, man.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Dude, one in five got to live, relax.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe one in ten.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Maybe even one in ten. No big whoop.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet a lot of dudes are sliced up, though. You ever see those Nazi dueling scars where the Nazis in the, like, when they were in, like, military school, they would have duels with sword fights and their faces would get slashed up, and that was, like, their badge of courage. So all the Nazis that came over for NASA, they. All these, like, crazy Nazi dueling scars.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

All over their faces.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever see those, bro? It's so creepy.

[Jamie Vernon]

They do the shit we do now in arenas, too. With, like, T shirt guns. Snacks fell from the sky.

[Joe Rogan]

Snacks as abundantly as hail, one observed server noted. Along with wooden balls containing tokens for prizes, food, money, or even the title to an apartment, which sometimes set off violent scuffles among spectators struggling.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Nothing changes today.

[Joe Rogan]

Nothing.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

There used to be a blimp that would go around the Sixers stadium and drop coupons for hers. Potato chips. And I've seen people fall off of balconies for them.

[Joe Rogan]

It was a hot as a boil room in the summer, humid and cold in the winter, and filled all year round with strong smells from the smoke, sweating workmen packed in the narrow corps corridors, and the reek of the wild animals.

[Jamie Vernon]

No bathrooms and all.

[Joe Rogan]

Did people just into holes?

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, they always did. You know, where would you go if you're hot and you're drunk and everybody's got the plague.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, boys, should we wrap this up?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, let's bring it home.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Thank you so much. Are we in? Are we officially in the Rogan sphere now?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you're in. Come on, man. You were always in.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

All right, you said it here, so.

[Joe Rogan]

You were always in. What the are you talking about? We just don't see each other enough.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Please watch my specials. M Day. Both available.

[Joe Rogan]

Awesome. Anything got.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. Check out Stories Mine and Big Jason podcast Story wars, which is great. And, yeah, I got a book, actually, you know what? I'm.

[Joe Rogan]

You wrote a book?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I'm writing. I'm almost done with it. It's coming out December 2nd. It's pre sale right now on Amazon.

[Joe Rogan]

What's it about?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

It's my childhood memoir.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. It starts off with the what made.

[Joe Rogan]

You want to do that?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

A Dude who wrote other books was.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, knives and Spoons.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

A memoir.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah. He was like, hey, dude, I can get you a book deal. And I was like, really? And then I started working with him on it. And, yeah, it's just. It's been good. It's dark, it's funny, it's up. It's about just my up childhood and finding comedy.

[Joe Rogan]

I always admire someone who can write a book.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I always admired Norton. He's written a couple of books. Like, damn. He wrote a whole book. Like, actually wrote a book.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Nor's the man. Norton's in town right now?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, he's here Friday.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

He's doing Story wars tonight. Nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Where are you? You guys at the creek?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

No, we're at your club.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you're my club.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

So Little Joe knows about his own question.

[Joe Rogan]

What time is it?

[Lewis J. Gomez]

This is our past 7:30 and 10:30. Why don't you come? Come, Joe? Why don't you come on Story Wars?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I don't have any good stories. I used them all. I've had 2, 500 episodes. I've used them all up.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

You don't need good stories. I'll tell you all.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

There's gonna be Something Goes once on an archaeology journey.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

I'm like, oh, this is Joe.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

This is definitely Joe. I think. I think this one's Joe.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

One time I was talking to the director of the CIA. He's like, well, that must be Joe.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

To get a black bear from a helicopter with a crossbow.

[Joe Rogan]

I appreciate you guys.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

It was a lot of fun. Thank you.

[Lewis J. Gomez]

Thanks, Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, bye, everybody.