#2342 - Jim Norton

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Joe Rogan Experience #2342 - Jim Norton

Host: Joe Rogan
Guest: Jim Norton
Release Date: June 25, 2025
Length: Approximately 3 hours

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1. Opening and General Banter (00:01 - 02:40)

The episode begins with Joe Rogan and Jim Norton exchanging light-hearted remarks about the podcast setup and previous interviews. They reminisce about past guests and humorous incidents, establishing a relaxed and friendly atmosphere.

Notable Quote:

• Jim Norton [00:50]: “He explained where it came from. I didn't see President. Hold that.”

2. Media Bias and Censorship (02:40 - 05:43)

Jim Norton delves into his frustrations with mainstream media, highlighting perceived biases and the obstruction of free speech. They discuss incidents where Jim's podcast advertisements were mistakenly flagged as election advertising, reflecting broader concerns about media censorship.

Notable Quote:

• Jim Norton [05:29]: “Every one of my ads gets shot down. They accused me of election advertising in the United States.”

3. Impact of Social Media and AI (05:43 - 20:59)

The conversation shifts to the exponential growth of Artificial Intelligence and its integration into daily life. Jim shares his experiences with AI tools, both positive and negative, including academic cheating among students and the nuanced responses from AI like ChatGPT when generating jokes about sensitive topics.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Rogan [04:33]: “He might be right. That makes sense. 20 years from now. Yeah, I think that's correct.”
• Jim Norton [20:59]: “They’re part of this bizarrely disconnected society where everybody’s so separated.”

4. Privacy, Free Speech, and Lawfare (21:00 - 39:38)

Jim Norton and Joe Rogan discuss the erosion of privacy in the digital age and the complexities surrounding free speech. They touch upon high-profile cases of public shaming, government overreach, and the concept of "lawfare," where legal systems are used to target individuals for political or ideological reasons.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Rogan [19:38]: “There's real news now. You can get the real news from Glenn Greenwald. You can get the real news from Matt Taibbi.”
• Jim Norton [35:02]: “They waited till Christmas break and they go, we're not going to renew. So I was like, all right, I guess I get why they did that.”

5. Transition from Radio to Podcasting (39:38 - 70:38)

Jim reflects on his long career in radio, the challenges of transitioning to modern podcasting, and the dynamics of maintaining creative freedom outside traditional media structures. They reminisce about influential shows and personalities that paved the way for the current podcast landscape.

Notable Quotes:

• Jim Norton [43:21]: “I have a hate mail file. And I used to argue with them.”
• Joe Rogan [70:38]: “It should be something that everybody should see. When I know that when I cut that stuff out of my diet, it makes a giant difference.”

6. Comedy, Stage Feedback, and Self-Image (70:38 - 111:21)

The duo explores the psychological aspects of performing comedy, including stage fright, self-criticism, and the discomfort of watching oneself perform. They discuss the importance of self-awareness, handling audience feedback, and the fine line between self-deprecation and narcissism in comedy.

Notable Quotes:

• Jim Norton [102:55]: “I've never met anybody else that doesn't do the following right. And, I don't know, I don't find self-deprecating to a fault. Like, people hate when I self actually do it.”
• Joe Rogan [78:39]: “You're a pervert. I have to stop myself from doing it.”

7. Health, Fitness, and Supplements (111:21 - 175:18)

Jim Norton shares his struggles with physical health issues, including injuries and the challenges of maintaining fitness on the road. They discuss various supplements and dietary choices that aid in cognitive and physical well-being, highlighting the benefits of nootropics, creatine, and vitamin D.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Rogan [174:33]: “Creatine is really good, particularly if you are sleep deprived. Like, there's a study that they did that showed that if you take, I think it's 20 milligrams of creatine, it has a really positive effect on your ability to maintain normal cognitive function while you're sleep deprived.”
• Jim Norton [175:11]: “I probably should take everything. I take B. I do take B and I take one other one.”

8. Acting vs. Stand-Up Comedy (175:18 - 198:44)

The conversation shifts to the differences between acting and stand-up comedy. They discuss the vulnerabilities of actors, the intense dedication required in high-level performances, and the emotional toll of public perception. Jim shares his admiration for actors like Gene Hackman and Tom Cruise, juxtaposing their commitment to craft with the superficial aspects of fame.

Notable Quotes:

• Jim Norton [178:12]: “The older you get, the better you get. So it's like a little easier now than it was.”
• Joe Rogan [150:03]: “He’s the first guy that figured out how to be real in a film.”

9. Celebrity Culture and Public Figures (198:44 - 233:00)

Jim Norton and Joe Rogan delve into the complexities of celebrity culture, discussing figures like Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and Liberace. They explore how public personas are crafted, the impact of media narratives, and the often contradictory behaviors exhibited by high-profile individuals. The discussion includes anecdotes from their own experiences with celebrities and the challenges of maintaining authenticity amidst fame.

Notable Quotes:

• Jim Norton [211:33]: “He's a method guy, so he'd be that guy for months.”
• Joe Rogan [220:00]: “It's a good quality to have, you know, like maybe self-deprecating to a fault.”

10. Closing Remarks and Special Announcements (233:00 - 240:00)

As the podcast winds down, Joe Rogan and Jim Norton express mutual appreciation for each other's work and discuss upcoming projects. Jim promotes his new special, "Unconceivable," and their ongoing podcast endeavors. They conclude with light-hearted banter, reinforcing their camaraderie and the enduring appeal of their collaborative discussions.

Notable Quote:

• Jim Norton [240:00]: “So I hope you like it.”

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Final Thoughts:

Episode #2342 of The Joe Rogan Experience with Jim Norton offers an in-depth exploration of media dynamics, personal health, the intricacies of comedy, and the nature of celebrity. Through candid conversation and shared experiences, Rogan and Norton provide listeners with valuable insights into navigating the modern landscape of fame, technology, and personal well-being.

Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

[Jim Norton]

The Joe Rogan Experience.

[Joe Rogan]

Train My day. Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. What are you gonna do with it?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I should have thrown it out, but I'm just. I feel like if somebody put effort into it and gave it to me, just keep it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I know. Well, that's how I wound up with this snake on the desk. This is from this. During the entire podcast, Harlan Williams had this in his pants. And he was saying that he had a. He got a worm and he named his worm Dimitri. And at the end of the podcast, he pulls it out, and then he got such a kick out of the fact that it was still on the desk when I interviewed Trump, I hope.

[Jim Norton]

He explained where it came from. I didn't see President. Hold that.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't say anything.

[Jim Norton]

I think it's funny because when you said that, who gave that to. Is that a 7 year old? All right. It works out perfect. That feels correct.

[Joe Rogan]

He is so unique.

[Jim Norton]

He is. And I forgot he was in Something About Mary.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Which is literally one of the funniest movies ever made, ever. And I watched him again. I'm like, God damn, I wish I was in that. I wish I had one line in that movie.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right, right. That was one. Well, the Farley brothers, they're the best. They, they have some bangers, man. You know, Kingpin.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Bill Murray. I'm gonna take these off.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't like them?

[Jim Norton]

No, no, they're fine. I just, I'm so used to. I hate my own voice and hearing it come back. It's like I'm doing radio for 20 years and I still don't like to listen to my own.

[Joe Rogan]

You used to do one. He used to do the I do.

[Jim Norton]

One ear thing, but I saw Rich Voss, like, too many times. I've seen clips of Voss, and he just does that, and I'm like, do I look like that? Have I looked like that for two decades? I'm like, fucking rich. Put it on or take it off.

[Joe Rogan]

I like one ear.

[Jim Norton]

He just likes one ear open like that.

[Joe Rogan]

One ear.

[Jim Norton]

I, I, I firmly believe that's some kind of, like a, a, a childhood, like, defense thing. Like, there was something fishy that happened in childhood where you want to just kind of somehow stay present, always be aware.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, somebody get attacked.

[Jim Norton]

Somebody fumbled. Yeah, somebody fumbled around, and I just got to keep my ears.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know that's a thing, though. A lot of people like one ear on. It's not uncommon.

[Jim Norton]

You feel when you have both ears covered. I just feel like I'm lost and I'm not in the room. And it's. It's. I guess I've gotten a little bit better with it, but just now I'm like, wow, I really. I can't hear.

[Joe Rogan]

I always feel like I'm just fully locked in, you know, I don't hear anything else. I don't hear any.

[Jim Norton]

When the headphones.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I like the headphones on. I like to be locked in.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I do, but I just feel like. It feels like I'm underwater sometimes. I don't. I went in for an mri. I just go for them like once a year, and they just.

[Joe Rogan]

For the of it.

[Jim Norton]

I want to. Yeah, I'm pound. I'm getting older. And I'm like, you know, I want to make sure I'm good. Like, make sure there's no lumps or anything. And they give you those shitty headphones. And I'm so claustrophobic. I'm laying there and I'm terrified.

[Joe Rogan]

And the noise.

[Jim Norton]

Being married prepares you for that.

[Joe Rogan]

You get good at blocking out.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, my God. You feel claustrophobic. There's a loud noise. You want to kill yourself. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

My wife will be in full conversation with me. I have no idea what she said. I just fully blocked it out.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. How many things have I agreed to exactly? Because I want her to shut up.

[Joe Rogan]

Told you about it the other day. I'm like, you did? I don't want to argue. I'm like, I forgot.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. I'm sorry.

[Joe Rogan]

I just tell you.

[Jim Norton]

But it said. I asked the guy, he goes, you want music? And I'm like, yeah, I'll have a. I'm like, play rock. I just rock. And he was like. He didn't speak English that well, so he started playing the Rocky theme song over and over. I actually bailed out and got out of the machine. I couldn't.

[Joe Rogan]

Couldn't hear the song anymore.

[Jim Norton]

No, I just was too freaked out. I'm like, this guy's not hearing me. I'm squeezing that fucking ball they give you. It's awful. So he had to take me out, and I'm like, I'll go back in. He goes, no, we'll have to start over. Because once, apparently in an mri, like, you have to be in the same position.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

So I just. I said, fuck it. They did my whole body and they just. They couldn't finish with the brain. I was just like, I'm done. I'm out.

[Joe Rogan]

Your brain's fine. You don't Want to look in there? Anywhere?

[Jim Norton]

I don't know. I don't really want to see what's going on. No, no, no.

[Joe Rogan]

Just little blinders across the wrong way. Imagine if you can look into your brain and see your memories. Like, whoa.

[Jim Norton]

Eventually. I mean, Black Mirror did an episode of that where you like. I love how they keep the technology simple where you're just kind of scrolling through something and they could, like, see all the. The memories. And you'll eventually be able to. To do that.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, yeah, eventually we'll have a hard drive in our head.

[Jim Norton]

I would do it too. I, like, I would absolutely link up. We talked about this last time, but Ray Kurzweil, who talks about, like, singularity, I still think his time frame is wishful thinking. He thinks by like 2045, right? Yeah, he'll be in his, like, 90s. So I think he's just trying to hope it happens.

[Joe Rogan]

He might be right. That makes sense. 20 years from now. Yeah, I think that's correct.

[Jim Norton]

I hope so.

[Joe Rogan]

I. I think everything's moving in exponential pace. And I think, you know, if you just look at what's happening with AI, AI 10 years ago was non existent. You never heard anything about it. And now everybody uses it on their phone all the time.

[Jim Norton]

I use it. My wife's obsessed with it, which is irritating because she, like, literally will just talk to it. And so I'm like, all right, let me try it and see. But it's great if, like, you get an error message on your computer, like, what does fucking Mac error 1101 mean? And then you add it and it actually tells you in a very comprehensive way what that error message means. Better than Googling something.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

So I'm using it for that, but.

[Joe Rogan]

It'S great for a lot of things. Kids are using it, though, unfortunately, for like, term papers and shit. And they're getting busted because I knows when it's AI. So they just run the paper into AI and AI goes, oh, yeah, AI made.

[Jim Norton]

Oh yeah, that's. That's my work.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's that.

[Jim Norton]

But I mean, it's good for, for looking things up. Right now I'm just using it as a better Google. But when I attach it to my brain. No, because I was in it the other day and it said we detected suspicious activity. So they wanted me to log in, maybe because I had a VPN or something. Because in Texas you can't jerk off without a fucking vpn. They want your license to watch porn.

[Joe Rogan]

That crazy sucks. It's. We're protecting children. Too fucking late. First of all, as if kids don't know about VPNs, they all do.

[Jim Norton]

And it's also one of those things where I get, you don't want your kids to watch porn, that's fine. And it's a lot harder. It was harder when I was a child to get you to find, like, magazines in the woods. Yeah, but I meant the smell of those old, shitty magazines. Find them and fucking hot. It was the best. But now, if I had it on my phone or I had the availability, I mean, my sex addiction would have been even worse. So I guess I get why they want to protect kids.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's got to be fucking kids up. It's not just that, but the violence that they see. You see so much violence. I see way more violence now than I've ever seen in my whole life. Way more murders and car accidents and animal attacks. And I see Tom Segura and I have this horrible text thread. We text each other the worst shit we find every day. We're trying to freak each other out, and we've been doing it for years. And so it's just. My algorithm is fucked.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, it's just fucked. Do you. There's. There's certain sites, and I never promote the site just because it's just too gruesome. But there's one site I go to where. Where you can do everything. There'd be headings. And I would look at this stuff before bed, and I don't know why I wouldn't enjoy seeing it, but I would look at it. And it just gives you some kind of a weird, horrible feeling. But there's certain things I can't watch at this point. Like, I can't watch people burning anymore. That's a rough one. Yeah. Yeah. At one point. Oh, burnings were all the race. I can't watch them anymore. You know, it's all.

[Joe Rogan]

That's such a crazy thing to say. I can't watch people burning anymore. I'm just. I'm all burnt out.

[Jim Norton]

It bothered me. It was. It got to a point where I could. I can't see beheadings anymore. Like, there was a point where I could watch them and just almost watch detached. But now I just. It's too.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you remember the journalist?

[Jim Norton]

It was like, Daniel Pearl.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. He was like the first. But the cameraman panicked and kind of came off him a little bit. And. And so they didn't. It was kind of. They showed it, but that was the first One, Yeah. And then that guy they called Jihad John who was like. Because he was British when they eventually caught him, I forget the other people he did, but it was like certain contractors and stuff that they would, they would put in those orange jumpsuits to mimic Guantanamo and they would just. Gruesome, man. Really gruesome, gruesome. And it does you up 100. I don't know what it does, but it you up like. I don't know how it messes me up, but it definitely is not healthy.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Jim Norton]

Yeah, knowing it exists and seeing it, and then I'm always like, well, I like watching. I can still watch car accidents because it's tangible, like a car Accident is a tangible thing. Like if you. If you're not careful, right? And you drive like an asshole, this is what happens to you.

[Joe Rogan]

Or if someone's driving like an asshole, you're not paying attention. You got to be aware of everybody, right?

[Jim Norton]

So I try not to text and drive anymore. I remember one time I was doing a gig and I was in full sex addict mode. And fucking Sam Roberts, he was still an intern at that point, came with me because Kenny was busy. So Sam came to help me sell merchandise. And I remember he was. I think I did. I let him. I drove, but he was in the passenger seat. And I was just dirty talk, texting the whole way home because I couldn't text and drive because he was in the car. And I was like, I can't get fucking. I can't be texting some woman and kill the intern. That would just be a lawsuit waiting to happen. So it's like the texting and driving thing, I've kind of backed off of.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, that's what apple carplay is for, you know? No, you don't do that, dude.

[Jim Norton]

The idea of. Can I. I did that one time. I connected my phone to a BMW X6. My girlfriend at the time, my ex girlfriend, came with me to the dealership. And the guy is telling me, oh, you should connect your phone. And I do. And my phone, my. My phone book, my contact list comes up, right? And one of the girls, you know, I put where how I knew her. And it was like a domination fantasy. So that came up her name and domination fantasy came up on that little window in the X6. And I'm like, I'll never connect anything to my car again. There's just. There's too much going on.

[Joe Rogan]

Just change the name.

[Jim Norton]

I mean. I mean, how much time do I have to go back and change all the names?

[Joe Rogan]

Change the name to like personal trainer.

[Jim Norton]

But that's another code word. I got busted one time talking dirty. I was texting dirty and the girl, the. The escort's name came up on my phone. And it was like one of those names that cannot be, like a regular person. So I ran. My. My girlfriend was fucking screaming at me in the car. She's like, who the fuck is that? And I'm like, it's fucking Anthony. I'm like, I have a code word for Anthony in case I ever lose my phone. So I had to run up into the bathroom and just like my fingers were shaking and change it to Anthony. And then I came in 15 minutes later. I'm like, see, it's Anthony. But it was. By then, it was like, you blew it, Jim. You got caught. So I don't connect anything. Even though I don't. I'm not, you know, fucking anybody else. I still don't. I don't trust it. I don't. I don't connect anything to my car.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, your phone is listening anyway. Mine is for sure. Mine. I've come to grips with the fact that everything that I text is Getting read probably 100%, no questions through the ads, including, like, stuff that's on signal. You know, Tucker told me that he said that the Sig, they found his. The government knew that he was going to meet Putin because they read a signal. And he's like, I didn't even know that that was possible.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Is that the one that they got. They got caught using in the Defense chat? Yeah, Signal.

[Joe Rogan]

But that was because there was another guy in the Signal chat that I think someone let in the signal chat on purpose.

[Jim Norton]

Was it on purpose or do you think it was one of those things where you fuck up and you just like, you know how you. You'll send something and a predictive text, like, name comes up and you just hit like, if I'm gonna text you, and I accidentally Jo. And all of a sudden Joe. Joe derosa comes up. Yeah, right. And I just send him.

[Joe Rogan]

I've done that before. But this was a giant group of people that are in the Defense Department. How do you include a reporter in that?

[Jim Norton]

That's a terrible mistake.

[Joe Rogan]

That doesn't make any sense.

[Jim Norton]

My ex publicist was bad mouthing me to somebody and she actually sent it to me by mistake.

[Joe Rogan]

What did she say?

[Jim Norton]

It wasn't an overt. It was one of those things where we weren't working together anymore and I was doing Neil Brennan's podcast and like, you know, blocks where you. You talk about these things that blocked. And I. And she said something about like, well, Norton's on three Bl. No shock. It was just. It was some comment that was not complimentary. And. And then it was like, oh, sorry, I meant that for him. And I just kind of left it there. I'm like, I got it. I knew you didn't like me. That's why I left You Your own publicist hate your guts.

[Joe Rogan]

It's A fucking publicist can be such a problem. And you're so incompatible with people that are wild.

[Jim Norton]

Yes. Because all they want to do is they have to paint it in a way that's palatable to everybody. Like, I understand that it's a hard job and you have some asshole who's out trying to get laid.

[Joe Rogan]

Like a guy like you or someone who says wild things. You know, it's like, that's part of the fun of being you.

[Jim Norton]

Yes. But it also comes back and it, it's, it's. Here's where it's negative. I do, on YouTube, I have the podcast and I'm trying to do podcast ads. I've never, you know, I never bought ads on YouTube before, but I'm like, it doesn't buy you views. It just puts it, like, where people will see it and if they like it, they click on it. Every one of my ads gets shot down. They accused me of election advertising in the United States. I, I put up an ad and they said, this violates election advertising. And I didn't even know how to respond to that.

[Joe Rogan]

What was the ad?

[Jim Norton]

It might have been a Jordan I had George Santos on, but it was, it was just a funny podcast.

[Joe Rogan]

That guy's hilarious, dude.

[Jim Norton]

He was fucking. He told me how bad Jerry Nadler smelled. I asked him who had the worst breath in Congress, and he wouldn't answer. But he told me the worst body odor was Jerry Nadler. It was just funny. It's just funny.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a character.

[Jim Norton]

He is.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just amazing that he was a congressman.

[Jim Norton]

I know. I have a real affection. You know how it is when you meet somebody? It's like they're, they're always more human when you meet them. And it's harder to not like somebody. Like, I don't agree with Lauren Boebart, but I met her and she couldn't have been nicer. I'm like, I can't dislike her. She was nice to me, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

So whenever you meet someone and I had him over and he was great. He was funny, a sense of humor about himself. And he was shit talking and catty and, yeah, like, fuck, I love this guy. But they accused me of election advertising. So now so many times I've tried to put ads after and they continually say it's either shocking content or election advertising.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they're just targeting you.

[Jim Norton]

They're just targeting me. And it's like, how are you supposed to advertise comedy with some profanity in it if it's shocking context?

[Joe Rogan]

How is that election? I mean, he's not even running for anything.

[Jim Norton]

And it wasn't a political rally podcast at all. It was just us talking about what happened. And we chatted politics. But I don't push Political views on people.

[Joe Rogan]

They've got you labeled right wing, which is kind of funny, is that. It really is so funny.

[Jim Norton]

And people don't know what to like, the conservatives. It's so funny. People come see me from Gutfeld, because I do Gutfeld a lot, and his people will come see me. And it's just fun when I talk about my wife, to watch the joy drain out of their faces. Oh, we had no idea. That's not the type of tucker we like, buddy. They get very. It's a very weird place to be.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

People who like my humor don't necessarily like my personal life, and people who like my personal life don't necessarily like my humor. It's a weird. I guess if nobody feels like you're 100% in. In with them, they. They don't know what to make of you.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you were saying that about Oliver Anthony and that I wasn't aware of that he was getting in trouble. Apparently, right after Richmond, north of Richmond came out, that people were saying he wasn't really conservative.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, they. They were giving him shit about saying, like, oh, he's not who we thought he was. Meanwhile, he writes this great song and people love it and they. They look at his art and they love his art. But because he feels a little bit differently, a lot of people turned on him and it was like, what. What are you giving?

[Joe Rogan]

I wasn't even aware of that at all. Yeah, I didn't know. What. Do you know what the subject was?

[Jim Norton]

I don't remember if they. If he had said something after it or if they went back and found out things he had said prior that they felt like his politics didn't line up. It's almost like when they got mad about fucking Dylan Mulvaney. Like, needing to connect to the belief system of somebody who drinks the same beverage is just such fucking psychotic. Then again, I've drank piss, so I don't expect a whole lot of people to line up politically and rally behind me with the fucking yellow flag, but I just don't care. I don't give a fuck. I don't care who. Who believes it or like, I don't care. Like, what the. I mean, I'm a fucking Sabbath fan. I don't give a shit who those guys vote for.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so, so stupid.

[Jim Norton]

Inconsequential to me.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just a symptom of this bizarrely disconnected society where everybody's so separated.

[Jim Norton]

It is. And you got. It's got to be driving you crazy. Or maybe you detach from it, because you see things. I mean, I know you. So I'll see them say, like, he's this right where? And I'm like, you guys don't really know Joe. It's like, it's. They don't. To see yourself painted in such a way has got to be, at one point, frustrating. And then you have to just let it go. Right? And just.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you got to let it go. But when. When I. I mean, the most frustrating thing was seeing it on cnn. I was like, okay, so this thing that I thought was the news forever, right? Now I know you're not accurate at all because you're. You're attacking me, and you're painting me in this very bizarre light because it's convenient for you.

[Jim Norton]

There is a weird thing, and maybe this is, again, because I'm in my 50s, and I remember the news was real and accurate because I remember Walter Cronkite and all that. And it's this constant sense of disappointment, like. Like, they're really not what I. Like I'm still an idiot who believes in, like, the adults and they're gonna do the right thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And it just constantly is a confirmation that, yeah, they are. They're liars. They're fucking biased liars.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And they're paid to lie. They're just propagandists. That's what the news. The mainstream news is. I mean, there's real news now.

[Jim Norton]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

You can get the real news from Glenn Greenwald. You can get the real news from Matt Taibbi. There's a few people out there that'll give you unbiased news. But it's so funny, like, even them, you know, when they will highlight a very particular thing that maybe Trump did or someone did on the Right. And everybody attacks them. It's like, do you want them to lie?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Just because you want your team to be infallible. Like, what do you. What do you want?

[Jim Norton]

And Glenn Greenwald, I had never heard of him. I don't really follow a lot of, like, what people are saying. I don't watch debates. But I obviously heard about him when that video came out, and I saw. And I loved how he handled that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he handled it great.

[Jim Norton]

Privacy invasions are so fucking disgusting.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

They're disgusting when they're done to anybody. I don't care how much you hate the guy's guts. But I was. I was like, I don't even know who this guy is, but I like how he addressed that one. Yeah. It's my private life and tough Shit. I kind of. I like that he handled that, I thought very, very. He took it head on. And.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, Jon Ronson talked about that in his book. You've been publicly shamed.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, like, if you're not ashamed, then it doesn't work. And that's the reality of it. And Glenn handled it perfectly. He's not ashamed.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Or you can't let them see you're ashamed. Because I'm, you know, I wake up just dipped in it. I. It's the first thing I think of. Good morning. Shame.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's. You're open about it, though. I mean, that's the thing. It's like they can't really attack you for something you're attacking yourself for.

[Jim Norton]

Yes. And if you tell them, like, I did something, like, I. It's so. It's so. I watched my special premiered and I went into YouTube and I watched it with people as they were watching and just commenting and talking and this horrible feeling of shame. Even when people are being nice, I can't get away from how embarrassed I am. It's almost like if people see you doing something, you're like, oh, Jimmy's trying. Look at little Jimmy trying. And I was typing back and everything, but it was. It's so anti. What feels good for me to do. Even when people are being nice. I find it horrifying and humiliating. I don't know where that comes from, but I kind of wish I didn't have it.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Jim Norton]

It was so hard. It was so hard not to just attack myself in the chat. Like, all I wanted to do was watch it and go, nice blinking 56 year old. But I didn't do it. I'm like, don't be a fucking. I think it was Jay Okerson was doing something and he did his special and he shot it at Skank Fest one year and I think Lewis took him out and they were looking at the stage before and I was one of those guys like, you know, Jay is just like, oh, he's a fucking. I think Lewis goes, you know, sometimes I know we're like that, but you just got to enjoy it like once. And I thought of that. I'm like, sometimes just enjoy. Things are going okay. Yeah, you're happy with what you did. I love the special, I love the material. Don't put yourself in a position where you're like, you suck. Like, it doesn't have to be that way.

[Joe Rogan]

Just put it out there and walk away from it. Leave it alone, Let people decide what they decide. And if you don't like it, you just work on the next one and make sure that you don't make the same mistakes twice. Yeah, that's all you can do.

[Jim Norton]

But I spent a lot of time, like, I wouldn't. I don't think I've ever loved anything. As I put it out, this I like more. But the older you get, the better you get. So it's like a little easier now than it was.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

The first Tonight Show I did was 2004 and I was out in LA and there was my buddy Joey Silvera, who worked for Evil angel and would film a lot of the greatest porn. Joey was a fucking. You'd recognize him if you saw him. He was in old movies. So I went to his house to watch my first Tonight show with another guy. This other guy, Brandon Iron. And I went into the basement while they watched upstairs. I couldn't watch it in front of other people.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's hilarious.

[Jim Norton]

It was just. And it's not to be because I think I'm an artist. It's just humiliated. It's fucking. It's embarrassing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Because I feel like, I'm like, are you gonna laugh? Like, I just, I don't want people to feel pressured to laugh.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

Because I'm around.

[Joe Rogan]

It's weird. It's weird watching yourself.

[Jim Norton]

Some guys can do it though.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're psychos.

[Jim Norton]

They are psychopaths.

[Joe Rogan]

They're probably not healthy.

[Jim Norton]

Oh my God, dude. The fuck? Do you know what mental illness. You need to sit someone down next to you when your specials play.

[Joe Rogan]

How about people that want you to watch their thing and they want to sit there with you like, hey, watch this. And like, I don't, I don't, I don't wanna watch.

[Jim Norton]

It's, it's, it's. It puts you in a weird. If I, if I do an acting role, I don't love acting, which is great because nobody loves when I do it. It works out nicely. But if I do something I like, I have to see it first and I have to watch it and go, okay, I'm not embarrassed by this. I can go and watch it in the, in a premiere. Like, you know, I mean, like, I, I have to see it first to know if I'm gonna feel humiliated. The Irishman I didn't see first, obviously Scorsese is not gonna send me a fucking cut. And I didn't know I made it until like, literally the night. I'm like, I don't care how. Whatever. It was just. It was a stand up performance, so.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right, right.

[Jim Norton]

A little bit easier than.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Acting. It's humiliating.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's gross. I don't like any of it. I went. I've been in a couple movies. I've refused to go to the red carpet. I sneak in through the back. I'm like, they were like, I want you to walk the red carpet. I'm like, nope.

[Jim Norton]

Is it because you don't like because everyone would talk to you? I'm afraid no one's gonna talk to me on the red carpet. Like, it's. Do you know how embarrassing it is when you hear that person who walks you through in the front and, like, you're standing there ready for your mom, they're going, jim Norton. And then one, you'll hear a second, and then she goes, jim Norton. He's a comedian. I was like, oh, they have no idea who I am.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just humiliating.

[Jim Norton]

So I don't like doing it, man.

[Joe Rogan]

But I just don't like the attention. I don't like standing there while they take pictures. Just standing there, just looking around. Look at me, Joe. Look at me, look at me.

[Jim Norton]

Over here, over here.

[Joe Rogan]

Some people love it. Actresses love it. They pose. They look like. Give you their good side.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Give you a little bit of practice in the mirror.

[Jim Norton]

But I almost understand. I have more tolerance for actors who love it because even though they're as big of, you know, attention idiots as we are, they don't get the constant feedback. Like, for them, it's their night of feedback.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right.

[Jim Norton]

Whereas with us, we're like. I mean, I've been on a run for, like, four nights. Before I came here actually at the Cell, I had four, like, shit nights in a row. Just all the material I'm doing now is new. So it's like I'm trying this and, you know, it just feels like you're Frankensteining it. It's not there yet, but I know I'm gonna have another night and another night, and that comes and goes quickly. But actors, they have, like, one night to stand there and smile, and then they just get attacked in the. In the comments or in the reviews. So I'm a little more tolerant of them than comedians who. Because comedians who love that. It's like, how much fucking attention do you need, dude?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

You constantly get. Get feedback.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You should be shying away from feedback. Too much feedback is bad for you. Do you really believe that?

[Jim Norton]

100. And I stopped. I stopped reading Twitter comments occasionally. I'll do it now. And it wasn't just to say I wasn't reading them. It was because even positive feedback, I caught my. You needy fuck. How much? How much? You know, how many taps on the shoulder do you need? How many, like, good job, Jim, or you suck. Like, how much interaction from people do you need? It's not normal. It's not healthy.

[Joe Rogan]

I stop reading almost everything, even stuff that's not me. And I stopped a couple weeks ago. I just stopped going on social media. I will occasionally, if someone sends me something funny, I'll watch it. But then I get off my phone right away. I just And I think on my new phone number that I'm gonna get, I'm not gonna have any social media. I'm just gonna keep my old phone number and only use that for social media. I just don't think it's good for you.

[Jim Norton]

It's not. And although there's times, like, my algorithm I'm obsessed with, I think we talk about just Japanese hornets and a lot of, like, my algorithm is healthier now than it would be, there's still a few things that will pop up that, you know, show what I've been looking at. Like, if my wife is next to me, she'll see what I'm looking at. I'm like, oh, no. It's just, you know. You know how it is. Yeah, you go down the rabbit hole you probably shouldn't go down. But it's not as unhealthy as it would have been at one point. Like, a lot of it is just MMA stuff and animals and nice shit.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I get a lot of that. A lot of us people getting knocked out.

[Jim Norton]

You like the knocked out. I like watching Jiu Jitsu tips, because then I'll bring them in and ask the guy to show me, like, how do you. Is it possible to do this? And he'll kind of show me, and I'll just forget it. But it's. It's fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I've got a lot of that, too. But it's just. I just think it's a giant waste of time. And it's also, your brain needs time to just think, and you need time to just be in your own head and think about your own thoughts and trying to formulate them properly. Really, like, get an. Understand, like, why do I think this way? What. What is. What is it about this that is. That I've decided is correct?

[Jim Norton]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And roll it around. And when you're constantly looking at other people's thoughts, I just don't think it gives you much time for that.

[Jim Norton]

That's exactly it. Why do I think what I think? Like, Hitchens did a great speech, it was in Toronto about free speech. And one of the things he was talking about is when somebody says something that you don't agree with. I think the example he gave was Holocaust denial. He goes, you have to protect that person's speech, because if nothing else, it makes you examine, okay, well, how do I know what I know? How do I know other than someone told me, like, you have to kind of examine how you come to your own conclusions. And I do that a lot. Like, in the Shower. I'll just kind of stand there. It's really like we all have a weird showering method. I just kind of stand there with my hands like this. It's bizarre. It's womb, like. And I just stand there and I think, or I go through arguments or I go through conversations or debates, and that's the one time I really get to. To think during the day where I don't let anything else interfere. But being off social media is probably a lot healthier. Just, again, it's other people's thoughts. I don't care what people think. I don't know why I read it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I care what people think, but I don't care enough to have that intervene and invade my thoughts all day long. I mean, I'm fascinated by people, but I like to talk to them. For real. For real. Like this? Yeah, this is like, you know, because I think that's also having a podcast and having what I think is the best way to communicate with people and to be able to be so lucky, to be able to do it all the time. I think I get plenty of other people's input.

[Jim Norton]

Right. And you get the real opinions and you get to. You sense in a room with a person. Again, it's harder to dislike or to caricature somebody when you've met them and when you've actually sat with them, it's like, nah, I know this person. I kind of felt their energy, and it's like, they're just a regular person. It's easy when you look at somebody to hate their guts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And I've bashed a few people. It was always so embarrassing. We would do jocktober and, you know, oh, and a. Never went into other people's studios, but I would. And I'd be on the road. And it was the. I was in Boston with Kenny one time. He's like, they're having you in, but you jocktobered them. And I was like. So I went in and, you know, you, You. You just go there like, yeah, you really. And I'm like, yeah, man. It was just something we do. But you have. You face it and you realize, yeah, they're nice guys. Yeah, it's a dumb radio show. I had fun. And I've actually become friendly with a couple of guys who we used to attack. But you only get that through meeting somebody and actually talking to them.

[Joe Rogan]

The. The worst is when you meet someone and you have a conversation with them and you're cool. You think, oh, we're good. And then they'll Go and talk about you somewhere else and completely mischaracterize you.

[Jim Norton]

Have you had that?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've had that. Yeah. That's embarrassing. It's sad.

[Jim Norton]

It feels bad.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, it's just like, okay, well, I'll never talk to you again because I know that you do this now.

[Jim Norton]

It's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And. But it's also. It's like, why are you doing that? Generally, it's when I had a conversation with them and it didn't go well for them.

[Jim Norton]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So they'll. Then they just harbor that thing, and then they just fucking stew it in their head, and then they just mischaracterize you and try to twist you around because they're trying to win this argument. They already lost.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's like, you know when you get in an argument, you didn't have anything to say, and then you're in the shower, like, ah, I should have said this. Yeah, I should have said that. Yeah, they're just doing that. And they're just going and doing that on another podcast.

[Jim Norton]

Yes. Re. Relitigating what the jury is already coming out. Yes. And it's human instinct to do. I also think sometimes people do it and they don't think you're gonna see it. Like, especially when you're, you know, you have such a high level of, like, recognition that if somebody. They're probably like, he'll never see this. And I can just. And then you see it in the. Probably, like, yeah, I shouldn't have said that. But I've read things that hurt my feelings. I'm like, why would you say that? Like, yeah, I was nice to you.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. It's weird. It's like, you know, humans are so strange. We're so strange in our weird little quirks and the way we communicate with each other and what is truth? What's real? Who are you? You know, who are you? You're different every day. Yeah, you're different depending on how your day went. You know, your reaction to something is, I remember one time this guy wasn't paying attention, traffic was stopped, and he rear ended me.

[Jim Norton]

Me.

[Joe Rogan]

And he didn't have a license. He's from Mexico. But I had been doing yoga, like, every day, and I was like, you okay? And he's like, yeah, I'm okay. I'm like, all right, man. And I go, why don't you have a license? He's like, can't get a license. I go, well, so why are you driving? He's Like, I gotta work. All right, I get it. I wasn't mad at him, but it was because I was doing yoga, like, every day. We were doing this hot yoga challenge. Ari and Tom and Bert and I. I remember that we were doing it like, I was doing yoga, like, every day. So I was so calm. I was like, okay, well, take care of yourself. I'm gonna get out of here. Because his car was. My car was. But it was. It was drivable. Yeah, it was a Porsche. Like, it was a really nice car. And he had, like, this shitty Honda, and he. But you know, the way he broke. Like, when you break, your. Your front end dives down. So he kind of got under my car and lifted my car up a little bit and. And caved in my back bumper a little bit. But they just replaced the bar, and the engine wasn't. And my exhaust was dented a little bit. His car was. He couldn't drive, so he got to be there when the cops came, and, you know, he couldn't drive away.

[Jim Norton]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And I was like, I don't know what to tell. I'm gonna get out of here.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, you just left? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I was like, he doesn't have any money. Like, I'm gonna pay for this.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And I'm like, this is gonna hurt me. I have the money to fix it, so. All right. Take care, man. Glad you're okay.

[Jim Norton]

Being Zen like that, like, because it reminds me of I was leaving the Lincoln, the Holland Tunnel with Karen Feehan. We were doing a gig in Jersey. It was bumper to bumper. And I came. You know, there was like, that merge where you think you're never gonna get out of it. And a guy stopped and he goes, you hit my car. And I'm like, I know. I didn't hit his car, but he made us. It was bumper to bumper. I'm like, let's just talk on the other side of the tunnel. Like, let's get out of this fuck. Cause I was gonna be late for the gig. And he goes, no, we're gonna pull over and wait for the police. So I'm like, this piece of shit is trying to shake me down.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

So we wound up. One of those awful traffic women was there. You know, the people that just. They work for the city and they dress like cops, but they're not cops. But if you assault one of them, it's like a big deal. So we pulled over, and I said, is it okay if we just trade licenses? And she went, yeah, just trade licenses. Which I think kind of shamed him into like letting us move on. Otherwise he was going to have me fucking held up there or pay him on that.

[Joe Rogan]

So you didn't hit his car at all?

[Jim Norton]

Karen said I didn't. It was a merge and if I did, it was a one mile an hour bump. But there was no mark on his car at all. I think the whole thing was a scam because we traded licenses and I never heard from the guy.

[Joe Rogan]

You've seen that thing where people get in front of people's cars and slam on the brakes.

[Jim Norton]

It's. I've seen it. Oh. And it, I mean, it's terrible. And the best of when you have a dash cam.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh.

[Jim Norton]

And then you see them that they recognize the dash cam and then they just scurry back into their cars.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And she's on the phone, oh my God, these people just backed up into me and then they got out of the car. And they're like, what did you do? What'd you do? And then they saw the dash cam. Like, ah, fuck.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I've seen that. That's what I'm referring to where they. They scurry back into and take off.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep, yep.

[Jim Norton]

When I saw. Like I'm so cynical. Like people in Philly. You got a lot of people in Philly. Like if a bus hits something, there's like locals that will just run up and just lay next to the bus like they were in the fucking accident, which is. I get it. You know what I mean? But they forget that there's cameras everywhere and they could just see you walking up. But this India Air India plane crash, I was. My first thought was that this guy they said survived. I'm like, oh, he's bullshitting. He didn't.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jim Norton]

He's faking it. But he did survive. Yeah. Because he said his brother was on the plane or something.

[Joe Rogan]

11 a seat. 11 a.

[Jim Norton]

And by the way, to all the who are going to now look for 11 a stop.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, stop.

[Jim Norton]

If anything else, that's the last seat. You should.

[Joe Rogan]

Usually it's the back where you're best off. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

I wonder if the plane broke open and he just got. There's a woman who. Who was a. I think she was a teenager when it happened. It's called the woman who. The girl who fell from the sky. And she had. Apparently they were like two miles up and her. The plane blew up, whatever, and it came apart and she fell two miles. Somehow survived. The sole survivor.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Didn't she go through the. The roof of a barn?

[Jim Norton]

No, she fell into the. What do they call the. The. The Brazil rainforest.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, the Amazon. Brazil.

[Jim Norton]

She fell into the Amazon. Was gone for 10 days, apparently. Again. Unless I was. They said she found an old boat with gas and she had to pour that one of her wounds to kill the maggots. And then she finally did get out and get rescued. And look at this.

[Joe Rogan]

Juliana, 17 year old girl, miraculously survived falling 10, 000ft from a plane. Then surviving 11 days. Isn't 10,000ft miles? No. What's a mile?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, it's about two miles.

[Joe Rogan]

Two miles?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ. You imagine falling two miles from a plane? She survived 11 days alone. The Peruvian Amazon rainforest. After the plane she was on, she was struck by lightning.

[Jim Norton]

Jesus, I didn't read that part.

[Joe Rogan]

The plane was struck by lightning and disintegrated in the air, still strapped to her seat. Fell from the sky and survived.

[Jim Norton]

Holy. What did she hit though? Did she hit like a mountain and slide like how do you you the impact though? I don't know how you survive that impact.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God. She had a broken collarbone, a torn knee ligament. That's it. After the crash she spent 11 days alone in the jungle before being rescued. She found a lumberjack camp. Wow.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. She became a respected scientist specializing mammalogy and focusing on bats. Wouldn't it be funny if she was the lady who released Covid.

[Jim Norton]

Because her memory's no good anymore after the plane crash. Ah, yeah. Drink this.

[Joe Rogan]

She specialized on bats and she got a job in Wuhan. She had no idea.

[Jim Norton]

She had no idea. She's like be free. Bit some guy selling fish on the corner and he went home fucked somebody. But there was another one too. There was a flight attendant and again who I think was trapped. The front of the plane fell and I think that she was almost from 30,000ft. And if I remember correctly, it hit a mountain and it was almost like she hit it on the right angle and sliding.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yes.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Highest fall without a parachute in history. 33,000 foot plunge after a plane explosion. 72. She was the only survivor crash into the mountains of Czechoslovakia after suspected bomb detonated Cheese who felt her parachute didn't.

[Jamie]

Open and she landed on a pile of ants. Fire ants.

[Joe Rogan]

And the fire ants kept her alive, Right? Right. Sucked her body into. Yeah. Somehow or another the fire ants, the. The shock of the sting of fire ants kept her alive.

[Jim Norton]

Why? Did it slow her heart down or something? Or stop it from.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh what.

[Jim Norton]

Imagine the odds of falling into a fire ant pile.

[Joe Rogan]

It's usually a bad thing to land an amount of fire ants at 80 miles an hour. But not if you're Joan Murphy. Oh, Joan Murray. 14,000ft. Right. Into a pile. 50% chance of surviving a fall of 48ft.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is a four story building. Mortality rate rushes all the way up to 90 when you f. Fall 84ft. A distance of a seven story building. So if you're falling from a whopping four 14,500ft just over two and a half miles, you safely bet you're almost definitely not going to get out alive. One woman did. So she fell. A backup parachute opened at 700ft. Quickly deflated. She continued to plummet towards the ground at 80 miles an hour. She survived. She survived thanks to the fact that she landed directly on a mound of fire ants. Doctors believe the intense shock being stung over 200 times by the ant pants released a surge of adrenaline that kept her heart beating. Whoa.

[Jim Norton]

By the way, does that prove to you how little I know about the human body? My instinct said that, oh, your heart slows down, like, I thought, like, oh, maybe it would slow your heart down when they bit you and it does just the opposite. I thought like, maybe, maybe it slows your beat down like being frozen.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet that's just a wild guess as to why it kept her alive. Because if she was putty, you know, there's no way it would have kept her alive.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, maybe it stopped her heart from. Maybe they got to it right after too. Yeah. Who knows? You watch that guy who lets things bite him in the woods. Coyote something. You know, he's a psychopath, but his stuff is very entertaining. But I think he's the bullet ant. The bullet ant or the Japanese hornet.

[Joe Rogan]

Was, was the, the bullet ant supposed to be the worst? The bullet ant supposed to be like 24 hours of intense pain. Yeah, my friend Steve got bit by one of those.

[Jim Norton]

On purpose or.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, he was in the Amazon on. He got bit on his foot and.

[Jim Norton]

Was it as bad as he said?

[Joe Rogan]

Said for hours. It was just impossible. The pain was just impossible. And then it's slowly dissipated to like, kind of manageable.

[Jim Norton]

Is that the one that they put in the gloves? You see that one? The, the tribe where they do that and their hands are like blackened by.

[Joe Rogan]

Did Stevo do that? Yeah, yeah, he did that. Yeah. Put the gloves on.

[Jim Norton]

How long did he last?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, once you get bit, it's a 24 hour experience.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I'm very squeamish. Insects. It's funny, I've never gotten over this insect. I think I saw a kid. There was a brother and sister when I was a kid. We were all the same age. I think she was a year older than me and him were. And there was such a. Such a bizarre little friendship because they used to pee their pants and I would ask them to sit on my face with their pants. It was a really bizarre. Yeah, I know, it was a very. It's a lovely childhood in good old Edison. Good old Edison, New Jersey. But I saw him get stung by yellowjackets. What is that? That's a.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the worst thing.

[Jamie]

Executioner. Wasp.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, coyote.

[Jamie]

Peterson said it was worse than a bullet ant.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God.

[Jim Norton]

Watching a guy run with bees on his arms and screaming. I think that scarred me for the rest of my life. With insect. We used to break up bees nests and I'll never forget the sight of this kid running, ah, with just three yellow jackets on his arm. And I just. That stuck with me for. For, I guess 49 years now. 50 years. It bothers me. I just can't. Weird insects have a very weird effect on people. Like to be so skeeved out by something. It's like rats instead of like small bunnies. Don't bother you, but rats do. Maybe it's in the DNA or something where it's supposed to bother you.

[Joe Rogan]

I think so. For sure. I think that's what ophidiophobia, an arachnophobia, comes from. You know, I bet someone in your DNA, someone down the line, was either killed by a spider. Spider. Or like really badly hurt by a spider. And it's just in your DNA to be absolutely terrified when you see a spider.

[Jim Norton]

What's a. What's a video phobia?

[Joe Rogan]

Snakes. Oh. Some people just. They have it so bad. Like, they see snakes and they just start panic and they go. They have a panic attack and they just can't handle it. Where the other people. Like, I'm scared of snakes for sure, but. But I can look at them. You know, they don't freak me out.

[Jim Norton]

Can you hold them?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, I can hold them, but I. You know, obviously I don't want to be around them. They're. They're serpents. They're literally in the Bible.

[Jim Norton]

Ye. Yeah, the Bible does frown the snake. And a bed rap in the fucking Bible.

[Joe Rogan]

Satan. Satan comes in the form of a certain.

[Jim Norton]

A certain. Yeah, I can hold one.

[Joe Rogan]

If.

[Jim Norton]

I know it's not gonna. I got. Again, I have a healthy fear. Like, if it's. Like if it's. If I know it's a boa constrictor. Like that guy in the Greenwich Village, walks around the giant yellow one, which kind of creeps. Because if it was to really attack someone, I mean, I guess you'd have to kill it. There's nothing you can do. Yeah, Just a large boa constriction is.

[Joe Rogan]

Not much you can do once it's around your neck. You need help. You know, they're very strong. I mean, they. They crush deer and swallow them whole.

[Jim Norton]

They do?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, you gotta. You gotta be a real special kind of idiot to have one of those things as a pet. Because you just have a monster as a pet, as long as you feed that monster. But if you leave a baby in a room with a python, you come back a half an hour later, you're gonna have a fat python, no baby.

[Jim Norton]

Absolutely. And a nice quiet night's sleep.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't give a. They're just like, they're. That's what they're there for. N designed them to kill everything they can.

[Jim Norton]

I can't. Annie Letterman has a lot of snakes. Like, she has them as pets, and her. Her fiance has, like, they have a.

[Joe Rogan]

Tracks.

[Jim Norton]

A room full of snakes. And I don't get it. I'm like, they're not warm.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

They don't have any recognition of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Very interesting, I guess.

[Jim Norton]

I guess. But I have. We have a puppy, and I've never owned a dog before, and it's, like, it's nice to have. I don't like taking care of anything. I. I don't have that instinct in me. I just don't like, like it. But this dog kind of. I get why people like having a dog again.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I love dogs. If. If my wife only lets me have one. I have one dog. But if it was up to me at one point in time, I had five dogs.

[Jim Norton]

You did?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Does he in the house? No, mine does a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, he does. If he eats things that are bad, he gets diarrhea, and he gets diarrhea at least a couple times a year.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, he does? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a dumbass. He's a golden retriever. He's not that smart. Like, he ate a turtle recently. Recently. And he got horrible diarrhea all over the place. He got little pieces of shell stuck in his stomach. He had to go to the hospital.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was. It was a nightmare. And he also ate gravel. At one point, he ate five pounds of gravel because someone accidentally dropped some chicken food on the gravel, and he just assumed that the gravel was food, so he ate all the gravel.

[Jim Norton]

It is crazy how nothing registers halfway through the gravel pile. This is not just a dumbass. Doesn't taste like chicken.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a dumbass. But I love dogs, man. I. I wish I. I could have. I can't go to a pound. I can't go home. I'll bring them all home. I just, like, I'll take them all. If I had a giant piece of land, I'll probably just have all. Every dog I could ever get.

[Jim Norton]

We went. We went to North Shore Animal Rescue, and actually, Beth Stern helped me. I don't know her well, I met her through Whitney, and I met her, but she's, like. Is huge there and, like, has great connections and helped us get a very nice little. What is it? A Yorkie. We. We're so stupid. We thought it was a. I thought it was a cavapoo. I don't know what the kind of.

[Joe Rogan]

Dog is a cavapoo.

[Jim Norton]

It's like. It's like one of those things where it's like a bread dog. It's. It's a cavalier and a poodle, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Jim Norton]

It's hypoallergenics. I can't have doggy, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, look at that.

[Jim Norton]

I mean, come on. Oh, is that not phenomenal?

[Joe Rogan]

Come on. Look at the little bow. That used to be a wolf. That's how creepy people bar. They turned a wolf into that thing.

[Jim Norton]

That little adorable. No shedding thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that little face.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, he's very cute. But that's what we thought we were getting. I didn't know because a Yorkie looks a lot like that when it's young. I mean, it was like this big when we took it home. But yeah, it's. I love it. My dog photographs like, though. I never put up pictures of my dog. He's a sweetheart, but he looks like a wig and a hamper. Just sucks. I can't humiliate an ugly dog. I happen in pictures. Pictures, but in person he's great, but I just. I never post pictures. It's just put a filter on him. Nothing's gonna help. He's just kind of sitting there. It looks like he's like homeless, like some homeless guy's dog. But I do. I love having him, but the. In the house is very difficult. Yeah, I think that's when I first got him. Oh, you see, he looks a little like a cavapoo.

[Joe Rogan]

That's adorable dog.

[Jim Norton]

Then he was. But as he's gotten older and his hair's gotten longer, he's got shitty looking in person. No, no. But he photographs terribly.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me see a picture. Let me see a bad picture of your dog.

[Jim Norton]

Let me see if I have. I put up on my Instagram. I think I put up a video recently and the screen grab. I tried to find the cutest screen grab and I just couldn't. So let me see here.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe it's just you. Maybe if I saw him. I think he's adorable.

[Jim Norton]

I can guarantee you're going to go, like, he might be great in person. It's like when some. But I wouldn't. I would never. I would never classify this as a cute. Hold on. All right, I'm. It's not opening because of. But I'll find it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, there's no cell phone signal in here.

[Jim Norton]

Is that on purpose?

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's just the walls are thick.

[Jim Norton]

Do you guys have WI Fi or. No. Yeah, I can't find.

[Joe Rogan]

Forget it.

[Jim Norton]

All right.

[Joe Rogan]

It's okay. I get it.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, wait.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that it?

[Jim Norton]

That's. That's actually not that bad.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's cute.

[Jim Norton]

But there was one I put on that's actually a very nice little blue bow. Yeah, we. Somebody in the house really mowed him up. That wasn't my.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a cute little dog. Dog.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. All right. That's a nice picture, but typically photographs very poorly. But he won't stop in the house. Like, I can't.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you live in an apartment.

[Jim Norton]

Live in apartment.

[Joe Rogan]

That's part of the problem.

[Jim Norton]

We put him on the terrace, and she'll go out there with him and she walks him. I won't walk him. It's like, it's your dog. I don't want to. I don't. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not. Again, I don't have that instinct. I'm happy you have him and you love him, but he just won't stop in the house. I don't know what to do. I'm getting to a point where, like, I. I'm like, this is why I didn't want a dog.

[Joe Rogan]

Ye.

[Jim Norton]

I can't handle dog in my house.

[Joe Rogan]

It's kind of gross.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's pretty gross.

[Jim Norton]

I heard that. I. I'm debating. Do I pay for a trainer? Do I pay for someone to come in and just.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Jim Norton]

It helps like you to a small little first of all, I'm not qualified to own a big one. I don't know how like people own like mastiffs and in New York, in New York City.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Jim Norton]

You can't and you can't get insurance for them. That's what made me like if you have a Doberman or a Rottweiler or a pit, you can't get insurance, homeowners insurance. So if somebody gets bit, you're oh yeah. And that's what scared me about those dogs. German Shepherd. Shepherd.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, especially German Shepherds. Well also like those dogs need a lot of exercise. They need a lot of activity. Or they get anxious. Yeah, they get kind of crazy because they're not supposed to be penned in like that. They're working dogs. They're supposed to be out there running around and if you don't run them, if you don't exercise them every day, they, they get like people do when they don't exercise every day. They get kooky.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. I became a little obsessed with the usually Those Caucasian shepherds. Like, I want to pet one of those things or those.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a big giant thing.

[Jim Norton]

It comes up, it goes. It's like £200. Yeah. It's hair. It's. Yeah, it's a werewolf. It's a monster.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But something like that I would love to, you know, spend a moment with or go someplace and play with it, but I just, you know. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, look at that thing. Geez. Slobbering over your sofa, £220.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Geez. Well, they use those things to keep wolves away from sheep.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And Russian prisons. I think I've seen footage of Russian prisons. Like where they have them around the perimeter. There's a fence in between, like freedom and the jail, and they kind of keep them in there.

[Joe Rogan]

I wonder what their temperament is like.

[Jim Norton]

Like they're aggressive. That's what I've heard.

[Joe Rogan]

They're very aggressive people. Strong, powerful, alert, quick, dominant, calm. What?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, they just. Somebody just threw adjectives up there.

[Joe Rogan]

How they throw calm in there. Steady, strong, independent, faithful, self assured calm. That's weird.

[Jim Norton]

The. Do you ever see those doe. What are they called? Dogo.

[Joe Rogan]

Those are.

[Jim Norton]

They look like giant pit bulls. They're gorgeous dogs. But again, they're hyper aggressive. They are aggressive, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Great guard dogs. Hyper, aggressive, aggressive. They will you up. And I think those were the dogs that Ving Rhames had when someone he killed. Like someone working at his house? Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

When he was Ving Rhams or before.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Ving Rhames. I think something happened and someone. Maybe they were there where they're not supposed to be there, or something happened and someone. I think it was someone working for him got killed by his dog.

[Jim Norton]

Was he. Is. Is it him or Charles Dutton who did time in jail for murder? I think it was murder. I don't get sued, but I think it was Charles Dutton or him that actually before they were actors went to jail. I just don't remember who was Vin Rhames or Charles Dutton?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Jim Norton]

He was one of those guys that had like a really interesting backstory. I wonder if that happened.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's go find out with Vin Graham's dog first. Then we'll google. Did Charles Dutton murder somebody? I think. I think it might have been Dutton.

[Jim Norton]

I think you're right. This is the funny thing to google.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

It's said that he did not die from. In the Ving Rhames case, he did not die from dog bites. They were waiting for a toxicology.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, maybe he had a stroke and then the dog bit him. Like sometimes that happens. Like if someone has like a seizure, dogs will bite them. Like dogs don't know what the fuck is going on. They freak out and they bite them. When animals attack humans or other animals, victims usually end up with bites around the head and neck. He had none. This leads us to believe he went down for some other medical reason. Oh, that makes. Makes sense. So the bites were around his arms and his legs. So yeah, the dog might a bull mastiffs, English Bulldog and three Bull Mastiffs.

[Jim Norton]

200 pounds.

[Joe Rogan]

Geez, 200 pounds.

[Jim Norton]

You wonder if they're trying to wake him up or trying to pull them somewhere or if they were attacking. Because you're right. If they don't bite the face, what's the purpose of what were they doing?

[Joe Rogan]

I bet it wasn't. I bet that's what it was. Sometimes that does happen when dogs will freak out if someone has a seizure. Right. They don't know what the hell's going on. They like bite the person.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, like what's he doing?

[Joe Rogan]

You know, probably not even bite him to try to hurt him. Just try to stop whatever's happening because it's freaking him out.

[Jim Norton]

Well, there was speculation after Siegfried and Roy, when Roy got dragged off, I don't know what's true or not. Did the thing bite his head or was it actually trying to save him, take him away? Yeah, I don't know. What?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there was like a lady that had a crazy hat or something like that. And the tiger was kind of weirded out by this lady's hair cat.

[Jim Norton]

Is that what it was?

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I remember. But I just remember thinking, duh, like the tiger just did what tigers do. Just decided, I don't like this anymore.

[Jim Norton]

Are they both dead?

[Joe Rogan]

Bite you? I don't know.

[Jim Norton]

I know Roy Horn died, I think.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I just saw they're making a Netflix series about or Apple TV series about them. Eight episode series. Andrew Garfield and someone else are playing.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you ever see the HBO thing on Liberati?

[Jim Norton]

Is. Is that where with.

[Joe Rogan]

Opera? Well, it was Matt Damon and what.

[Jim Norton]

The is his name who played Scott Thorson.

[Joe Rogan]

The guy. Greed is good. You know that guy?

[Jim Norton]

Michael Douglas.

[Joe Rogan]

Michael Douglas, yeah. Michael Douglas played Liberace, I believe. Right. Didn't he?

[Jim Norton]

Did he?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I didn't remember that. Yeah, it was Michael Douglas and Matt Damon.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, he played Scott Thorson. Matt Damon, yes. Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

He played the guy who got plastic Surgery to look like Liberace.

[Jim Norton]

He's a classic.

[Joe Rogan]

What a psycho.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Boyfriend get plastic surgery to look like him. I want to. Me.

[Jim Norton]

That's the last person I would want to look like. I go to a surgeon and say anything, but this isn't that.

[Joe Rogan]

That is such a psychotic thing to want to you. Oh, my God, that's so crazy. I want you to look like me. Get your chin done to look like me.

[Jim Norton]

Is that a power thing or is it a fucking. It's a very bizarre.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Pure narcissism or just crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, all the above power, for sure. Power over that guy. Guy. Right. He probably had the ultimate power in that relationship.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because he's Liberace. He's this enormous superstar, and this guy's his. You know, like, I want you to get a different chin.

[Jim Norton]

You're gonna look like me.

[Joe Rogan]

He got a crazy chin.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, he did. He looks very silly.

[Joe Rogan]

It was a fun film, though.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Rob Low.

[Jim Norton]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a really fun. Joey Diaz used to have a great bit about it.

[Jim Norton]

About the.

[Joe Rogan]

About the HBO thing. Yeah. I mean, Liberace was a weird case, right. Because he had to pretend that he was straight forever.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's so obvious today he wouldn't have to.

[Jim Norton]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

He could just be Liberace. But back then he had. Do you ever see the song. There he is. Look at that. Super straight. Look at the rings. Do you ever see the song When Liberace Winks at Me? No. So this is a song that played on television in, like, the 1950s, when, you know, the world was innocent and there's a woman who was, like, swooning when Liberace would wink at her. And so they played this. So it's Liberace playing the piano and, like, looking at the girl winking. And then it made, like, a twinkle in his eye when it went. Let's. Let's play it. Because it's. It's so bad. Here it is. There it is. Put the headphones on. You gotta see this. What is it? 53. Is that what it's said? 55. So she's watching him on TV and she sings. Watch this.

[Jim Norton]

Line.

[Joe Rogan]

I'd like to join a fan club it would simply be divine I found a brand idol as charming as can be I've really described his strange effect.

[Jim Norton]

He has on me Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

I start to shake, I start to shiver and every fiber in my being.

[Jim Norton]

Seems to quiver It's a feeling very close to.

[Joe Rogan]

To ecstasy. Oh, that's what happens whenever.

[Jim Norton]

Wow. First of all, he Looks like Jim Florentine. It really creeps me out.

[Joe Rogan]

I put. He winks here. The piano key.

[Jim Norton]

Little tinkle, clink, clink.

[Joe Rogan]

That's so weird. What a weird time it was back then.

[Jim Norton]

Dude, there's a video of him too on Instagram where it was in the 60s when he was trying to get with the. He was trying to like, you know, be with the movement, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Be cool, man.

[Jim Norton]

And it was like something about something groovy. And it's just him on a piano with all of these like, like, you know, 20 year olds just trying so hard to get the kids.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Jim Norton]

Oh, it's so. It's in the 60s, I think it's in the, in the. It looks like it's like 1967. 19. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that it?

[Jim Norton]

Oh, boy.

[Joe Rogan]

Play it groovy. Look at these guys. Their pants. God, look at their pants.

[Jim Norton]

The piano's got flowers on it.

[Joe Rogan]

God, people really lost their minds in the 60s, didn't they?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, this is very drug inspired.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine putting those pants on.

[Jim Norton]

Where'S. He does come out. I'm not sure where he does. Oh, there he is. Oh, there he is. At least he's dressed for the occasion.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at him, he's got the thumbs up.

[Jim Norton]

Look at his vest. Oh, look at him.

[Joe Rogan]

God, that's so weird. Liberace turning on.

[Jim Norton]

Isn't that great?

[Joe Rogan]

God, that's so weird. Weird. And like the piano's moving and he.

[Jim Norton]

Had to hold two girls, like, yeah, I'm just here to get some puss.

[Joe Rogan]

He's turning on.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This is like the acid days.

[Jim Norton]

But it's so crazy that, like, this was actually probably not meant to be shitty and ironic, but it was meant to be like, hey, he's this cool guy getting with the scene.

[Joe Rogan]

He's getting with the scene, man. And he's out there with his piano and all these weird people with flowers on their pants.

[Jim Norton]

And the dancing, the dance routine is just not the straightest.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at him go with the vest. The vest is hilarious.

[Jim Norton]

Like plastic.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's like this fucking raincoat that they turn into a vest along like.

[Jim Norton]

Orange, like almost like Shakespeare sleeve type of shirt.

[Joe Rogan]

So strange. God, people are so weird. But you got to think, like, in the 1960s, television had only been around for like 20 years. Yeah, that's what's weird. This is really weird. If you really stop and think about it, it was so new. No, it's kind of like the Internet. Internet, right. Like the Internet was. The Internet is older today than television was then.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah. You're right. It's 30 years old now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. The Internet basically came around. I got on the Internet for the first time in 94. I got on America Online. You've got mail.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And I remember. This is crazy. I couldn't believe it. It hooked up to my phone. It was a 144 connection.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, 14k, slow as.

[Joe Rogan]

And then I got 56k. I thought it was a bo. Like, look at me. 56, you know? And I remember thinking, this is crazy. Like, this never existed before. So that was 30 years ago. 31 years ago. This was just 20 years after TV Really? Like, when did TV really start happening?

[Jim Norton]

In the. I want to say in the 50s. Yeah. I don't think it was in the 1940s. I mean, it was in the 50s.

[Joe Rogan]

What was the first television Hitler broadcasted?

[Jim Norton]

I was out of. But that must have been in the 40s. There was. Because in the movie Contact, where they show you that Hitler broadcast, which they said was like one of the film.

[Joe Rogan]

First he broadcasted on the radio or on television?

[Jim Norton]

No, it was a TV.

[Joe Rogan]

I used to do a lot of World War II stuff in the movie theaters. You'd go to the movie theater and you get the news, the Allied front. And they show you the news. They'd show you like propaganda footage of the news. Our troops are out there fighting for your freedom.

[Jim Norton]

Yes. And the Japanese, they show you brave American troops. Smiley. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they're. Then they'd have those propaganda movies.

[Jamie]

1953, 50% of American households had a TV set by the end of 1960, almost nine out of ten did.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. So what was the first television? When did it first?

[Jamie]

Oh, they had them. They started in the 20s and then.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Jamie]

They were expensive as shit and probably very big. And there wasn't anything to watch, so why would you have one? And then there's.

[Joe Rogan]

When was the first broadcast? The first television broadcast?

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, it's. Yeah. Up until the 50s, it was really just like public and friends information. It says.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so just like the news.

[Jamie]

There wasn't. I mean, there wasn't a lot of shows being made.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, what was the first television show?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, before Cabin, Gleason did Cavalcade, I think it's called Cavalcade. It was like with the Honeymooners debuted and he would do Reginald Van Gleason, but that's definitely not the first one. I Love Lucy was probably same time or before that.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. And what year was that? Had to be the 50s.

[Jim Norton]

53, maybe 55 or it might have been later. I don't remember.

[Joe Rogan]

So probably the television really became, like, when did it become a thing where people would watch the news? Probably like late 40s maybe.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Because 63 again, the Cronkite broadcast. I mean, so by then it was, like, in full effect.

[Joe Rogan]

So you got to think that 63 with, you know, Liberace or the 55 one with Liberace. That's so new. Yeah, that's crazy new. And then 12 years later, you know, when he's fucking dancing with the flower pants. Pants on.

[Jamie]

Here's a Wikipedia version.

[Joe Rogan]

First national color broadcast. The 1954 Tournament of the Rose Parade. The U. S. Curd. January 1, 1954. So the 1936 Summer Olympics. Oh, they had the summer Olympics. They. They broadcast world series.

[Jamie]

It says was the first catalyst, like, big, big buying.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. You must have been a boss if you had a television in 1936.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And then first, like, variety show was Milton Burroughs show, so he became known as Mr. Television.

[Joe Rogan]

What year was that? 48.

[Jamie]

748.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie]

It took his radio show and made it a TV show.

[Joe Rogan]

So by the time that Liberace dancing with the pants on, it's only 20 years old.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is really wild.

[Jim Norton]

Was that 68th? I'm. I'm gonna assume it was definitely late.

[Jamie]

60S Red Skelton television hours.

[Jim Norton]

And. And the fact that people just didn't know he's a flaming homosexual. Like the fact that.

[Joe Rogan]

How did you not know?

[Jim Norton]

How did you not. I guess there wasn't enough gay people publicly, so everyone didn't recognize. Like, people knew, like, when you spoke a certain way that you could be. But it wasn't. I guess that wasn't like the.

[Joe Rogan]

The.

[Jim Norton]

The voice that everybody recognized.

[Joe Rogan]

Everybody hid it too, you know, you had to hide it. Imagine being a gay guy trying to find other gay guys back then. Like, what did you do?

[Jim Norton]

What a risk.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Being gay in North Korea. Like, how do those guys fucking. What signal do you give where, you know the other guy's not working for the state?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

You're in a rest area.

[Joe Rogan]

Even if he is, he might throw you under the bus anyway. Like, they have a whole culture on throwing people under the bus.

[Jim Norton]

On tattling.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Their whole culture is based on tattling. And if you don't tattle on people, they. They assumed you did something wrong.

[Jim Norton]

I'd still like to kind of go there. I wouldn't do it because I wouldn't. I would. I would. Yeah. Just because they say there's all those fake storefronts and all of those or, or stores that are just for the tourists that come through that they have all those fake stores that people.

[Joe Rogan]

They get a lot of tourism.

[Jim Norton]

Oh yeah. I mean they get, they get enough like, like through China. There's companies that go through China and every country doesn't have the negative relationship that we do with them. So I would kind of like to go, but I don't. I wouldn't trust it after that. Otto Warm. What, what was his name? Warren Warminger.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The kid that got.

[Jim Norton]

Sorry, Otto. Yeah. For taking a propaganda poster.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

It would be very scary to go. But I, I really kind of want to. They have that giant building, the. It's like a thousand foot tall hotel or building that is just kind of half empty. Like it's never was finished. They light it up at night so it looks like they have a big downtown, but in North Korea has like a thousand tall. A thousand foot tall building.

[Jamie]

A YouTube video of a guy that went. His name's Mike. Mike. Ok. He went three or four months ago after they had not been opened since COVID Really? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And he went just to tour around North Korea.

[Jamie]

He's a British person, so he's not from America.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. And you're not supposed to film a lot of this stuff. These guys take. Take really, really like clandestine footage. You're allowed to film in certain areas. But I think your phone. You had to leave at the border when you come in.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Yeah.

[Jamie]

He explains what he was. I think he says he wasn't supposed to, but he just.

[Joe Rogan]

Is he eating food there?

[Jamie]

Yeah, he goes to a few little towns, talks to him. I remember watching some of this. It's like a random coke or something somewhere or a Red Bull.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that's so risky. It is risky because just the wrong thing you do, you insult them and next thing you know you're in jail for the rest of your life or you beat to death.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, they said that like if there's a picture of Kim Jong Un or Kim Jong Il, you have to be respectful when you stand in front of the pictures to take your photo. They're really. And they just rat on each other.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, Shane Smith went. Shane from Vice?

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Back in the day, like before things got too crazy over there and he said that they set up a fake restaurant for him. Like they pretended that they had restaurants and so they had a fake restaurant and he went there. There's like only him there and people were serving. Serving him.

[Jim Norton]

Bizarre.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He said it was really weird.

[Jim Norton]

I guess when you're Seen as a God and everybody just co signs it. You don't know how bad of a liar you are. Like, you don't know how badly you're presenting because everybody is just, oh my God, like, right. So they'd have no idea. Kim Jong Un has no idea that people look at him and go like, that's not real.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. And then the people that are there, they have no Internet. Like their, their world is the North Korean Internet. They don't, they're not connected to the rest of the world.

[Jim Norton]

No, they would, I guess people will like sneak in thumb drives and stuff like that of, I know South Korean tv.

[Joe Rogan]

They catch you.

[Jim Norton]

If they catch you, you're fucking. But you know, you know Saad Masani, he's, he's from Afghanistan and he ran, I think it was called the Moby Group in Afghanistan. But they would go next to the Iranian border and pipe in like American TV shows and they would illegally send them over the border to try to get people, people like a little bit westernized or to at least see things a little bit differently. But it's an illegal feed. You're just shooting it over somehow and.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, hoping they don't kill you.

[Jim Norton]

Hoping they don't kill you. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Speaking to kill you.

[Jim Norton]

What's that said?

[Joe Rogan]

Speaking of kill you in Iran.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, what's going on there? Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Jim Norton]

But no one's surprised, you know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I bet the guys who got killed were surprised. They were supposed to meet with Trump to have a peace negotiation. Appreciation.

[Jim Norton]

Wasn't the time up?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jim Norton]

Didn't the. I thought the time lapsed.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jim Norton]

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[Joe Rogan]

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[Jim Norton]

Oh, because they wanted to get those nuclear sites out of there.

[Joe Rogan]

They they didn't trust the Iranians and they wanted to make sure sure that these guys were gone. Yeah, they essentially killed everybody that he was negotiating with. So this guy's response above says what evidence might there be to support this position? And the position was go above that. Yeah, Israel did not attack Iran because Iran was about to attack Israel. Israel attacked Iran because there was about to be peace. And then this guy asked Rock what evidence might there be to support this position. And then Grok says evidence suggesting Israel's June 13, 2025 attack in Iran aimed to disrupt U S Iran peace talks includes its timing coinciding with the sixth round of nuclear negotiations scheduled around June 12th through 14th, 2025. International reactions like the UN and the Oman condemning the strikes as undermining diplomacy support this view. However, Israel justified the attack as a preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear program, citing its non compliance with the iaea. No direct evidence proves intent to stop peace and the focus on Nuclear sites suggests security concerns drove the action. The issue remains debated, with perspectives varying by geopolitical stance.

[Jim Norton]

This now Ask Grok. Grok is kind of Twitter's AI, right? How influenced is it by, like, Chad GPT. I've gone to and I was kind of curious because my wife's obsessed with it. So I was like, I think this is probably still ideologically influenced, for sure. So other people have done this, but I put in write five jokes about Jesus, and it did five Jesus jokes. And then I put in write five jokes about Muhammad, and it came back with, well, we like to keep things respectful and blah, blah. And I did the same thing with write five jokes about white people and then write five jokes about black people. And it did the same thing. It wrote the white person jokes, but the black people jokes, it wouldn't write. So I was like, oh, okay. This is still somehow tied in. There's guardrails, and it's ideologically slanted. It may not always be. Be that way. So I'm wondering if Grok is the same way. Like, is any answer it gives you, almost like coming from either somebody at PBS or somebody from someplace else.

[Joe Rogan]

Grok is probably the best of them for that. But the worst was Gemini. Remember when they asked Gemini to make photographs of Nazi soldiers, and they had a diverse group of Nazi soldiers, including Asian women, Native American women. Yeah. Black people.

[Jim Norton]

Keep it fair, folks. Keep it fair.

[Joe Rogan]

Fair.

[Jim Norton]

Keep it fair.

[Joe Rogan]

They just got locked up in this WOKE ideology thing to the point where the. The images they created of Nazis were woke.

[Jim Norton]

I don't know what happened. Where people become so afraid of, like, I know truth can be unpleasant sometimes, but, like, where, Where. Where it goes to that level. Like, we will write jokes about Jesus, but not about Muhammad.

[Joe Rogan]

Like.

[Jim Norton]

Like, who's programming that and thinks that's a good thing?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're scared.

[Jim Norton]

They are.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what it is.

[Jim Norton]

I'd almost respect them if they. They said they were scared, like, if they could. Look, we all understand what goes on. We don't want somebody running in with a bomb belt. Like, you know, there's violent retribution. I would respect that. But they won't say that. No, they act like you're crazy for questioning.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's not true. Yeah, it's weird. We're in a weird stage. We're in a weird stage. We have all the information, but it's still. It's still got guardrails on it.

[Jim Norton]

Do you feel. I feel better about myself, though. The older I get, the more like, yeah, I. I Years ago, said it and knew it was getting worse and worse. And, like, I was never stupid enough to think it didn't exist. So I kind of like. Yeah, well, if nothing else, it validates what I kind of thought, you know? I mean, like, I feel like, all right, I wasn't a idiot.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

I'm not taken off guard by it.

[Joe Rogan]

I knew it was coming.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Not necessarily to this level, but, you know, when you saw this happening and then that happening and then little weird things, like Donald Sterling, that one always bothered me. His private communications being used against him. And it's like, does anybody. He was the owner of the Golden State Warriors.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't remember. Oh, this was the guy, that girlfriend.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The Clippers. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. The Clippers.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, he was. The guy had the girlfriend who's this little side piece.

[Jim Norton]

Vista Viano.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And the girls. The girlfriend recorded him saying a bunch of things about black people.

[Jim Norton]

And it was almost like he was like, all right, blah. It wasn't like. I don't think he was a hateful guy, but he was just like an old guy. Like, you know, I mean, don't hang out.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he was saying, don't do it publicly. Right.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I guess it embarrasses me. Yeah, something like that.

[Jim Norton]

His friends are probably calling him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But he was, you know, he's talking to his side piece and she's recording him. The whole thing was gross.

[Jim Norton]

The invasion of. Even if he's a piece of. I don't care about him, but.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Jim Norton]

It's the idea that people are comfortable. Like, nobody sticks up for privacy. Like, everyone complains about, we don't want the government. And it's like, hey, where were you when this guy or stupid Hunter Biden's big dick is all over the Internet? Where were you complaining about it? Just judged them on it.

[Joe Rogan]

So.

[Jim Norton]

I wish people would stop doing that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The Hunter Biden stuff, the fun stuff was like, him smoking crack and hookers and foot jobs. It was just fun.

[Jim Norton]

Did he get foot jobs?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he did a lot of stuff. There's a lot of wild stuff going on there. He's a wild boy. But I guess, you know, you're smoking crack.

[Jim Norton]

Sure. You know, in a tub, unshaven, you got no guardrails.

[Joe Rogan]

You're off the fucking reservation.

[Jim Norton]

He's a naughty boy.

[Joe Rogan]

But then the other stuff that was in there was really interesting. The emails about 10% to the big guy and all that stuff. And the shit, this brutal, rampant, obvious corruption that they just look the other way, because it's a Democrat. And it's just really Strange.

[Jim Norton]

If Trump Jr. Did anything that Hunter did.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

They would kill him. Like, they would. It would be the front page. It's all they would talk about.

[Joe Rogan]

They certainly wouldn't have hid it from Twitter.

[Jim Norton]

They wouldn't have.

[Joe Rogan]

Which was really crazy. It was a New York Post story. And then the FBI got involved, and the Twitter files, like, you know, when Shellenberger and Taibbi and all those guys went over the Twitter files, it's so damning. It's so. It's. It's so crazy that that's not so illegal that there's, like, massive trials on television and people are prosecuted for it.

[Jim Norton]

I guess with private companies or even though the media operates like it's the government.

[Joe Rogan]

The government is what I'm concerned with. Because it's absolutely. Election interference. Interference.

[Jim Norton]

100%.

[Joe Rogan]

100%. Because there was a lot of people that were on the fence. You know, they. They didn't know whether they're going to vote for Trump or whether they're going to vote for Biden. They didn't know what they're going to do. And then they saw that, and they were like, fuck this.

[Jim Norton]

And guys like Jack from. From Twitter have come out and said, like, yeah, we shouldn't have censored that story.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But it's like, too late now. It's like, you did it. People were telling you when you did it, you shouldn't do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Zuckerberg talked about it on this podcast. He talked about the FBI getting involved on the podcast, censoring Covid information, censoring a laptop information. And this weird feeling that he got from the government all of a sudden, telling them what they. And some of the stuff that they were telling them they had to take down was actually true, factual information. And they were like, oh, boy. And so they diminished its reach and they did a lot of weird shit.

[Jim Norton]

And the penalty for not taking it down would have been like, were they threatening them with, like, Section 230 is a big one that big companies are scared of. Like, if they change that. Because they said that the Internet freedom comes from section 230, where a company can't be held legally liable for what's posted on their site, which is how, like, you can post anything about people and the sites themselves can't get sued because they're like, yeah, we're just like a phone company.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a public square.

[Jim Norton]

Public square. Although it's not anymore. It's much more ideologically based and it's much more of a publisher, in my opinion, than a public square. But maybe they threaten you with that or maybe that's where they start to go. Like, we'll see to it at 2:30, I'm guessing. But what else could they threaten them with?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, just the fear of being on the wrong side of the government. I mean, that's the thing. Because then they could go after you. Like, you know, for someone like Zuckerberg who had already sat in front of those congressional hearings and you know, they had already asked him about a bunch of different things that the company had done. And you remember those weird. Those weird hearings that he had to sit through where he sip water. Very strange. And people said he's a fucking robot. He's probably so nervous.

[Jim Norton]

Of course.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, Senator. No, Senator. Thank you for asking, Senator. Like, all those weird moments, like, you got to be terrified of those people because they could change laws or they could just decide to prosecute you for thing. I mean, look what's happening to the guy Durov from Telegram.

[Jim Norton]

I don't know that story.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't know that story? He is essentially, he's under house arrest in France. He has not been tried with anything. He has not been charged with anything. But what they're saying is essentially they want a backdoor to Telegram. Telegram is an encrypted app, right. And a lot of people use it for illegal things. Just like a lot of people use Twitter for sure things. A lot of people use DMs for illegal things. I'm sure these Signal for illegal things and WhatsApp for illegal legal things. And they wanted a Telegram was especially popular amongst criminals and they wanted to be able to get in there. But then the question is like, well, what do you determine as a criminal? Is it a political dissident? Like, is it, you know, what, what.

[Jim Norton]

Does it mean is, are you looking for underage people being photographed?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

Or are you looking at just people who, like, they can always expand what they consider to be illegal. I mean, they took Back page down so they can get certain company, like, if you don't do what they want you to do, there is a way for them to get you by saying you're too complicit in certain activities.

[Joe Rogan]

So you want a Silk Road. That's. That's what happened with that Russ Albrecht. Yeah. And now he's luckily Trump freedom.

[Jim Norton]

Did he, did he pardon him?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he did, yeah. Yeah, we tried to get him on, but he's just not Ready to talk. Which is totally understandable.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If you ever do, if you want to talk, I'd be happy to hear your story.

[Jim Norton]

Well, because you're probably afraid that they're going to come with something else. Like, it's almost like you don't want.

[Joe Rogan]

To put it in their face, you know. Now I'm out. Those people, what they did to me was wrong. Oh, new charges.

[Jim Norton]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

That's why whenever somebody's exonerated after 30 years of being in jail, they're like, I'm not even angry. I just want. Because you're afraid you're going to say the wrong thing and then. All right, we're going to come back.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that was the really scary thing about the Trump stuff. Like when they were trying to get him for 34 felony counts. None of those were a felony. All of them were past the statute of limitations. It was just bookkeeping errors or bookkeeping. You know, they, they wrote down the wrong things and they tried to hide the fact that he was making hush money payments. But the, the reality of that legal system being used against you, lawfare being, you know, they target you like the, the real estate one. When they, they tried to say that he overvalued Mar A Lago and it was really only worth 18 million. And so they charged him like hundreds of millions of dollars, which is insane. Insane because Mar A Lago is an enormous piece of property that is on the most expensive place in the country. Like that area he's got. I think he's got. Is it more than 20 acres there? I mean, it's a huge piece of property there. And the next door neighbor had a place that was like five acres and it sold for $50 million. Just the property.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. So they fucked him.

[Joe Rogan]

They fucked him. And it's obvious that they were fucking him. They were, they were doing it because they were trying to make him a fake felon when he was running for president.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Letitia James went after him really badly in New York.

[Joe Rogan]

It turns out she had done a little bank.

[Jim Norton]

A little bank stuff going on. Yeah. She did some little mortgage questions. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

She did some inappropriate things.

[Jim Norton]

But he's. Whether people like him or not, I like, I don't always agree with him at all, but he's an amazing person. Like, to have withstood that, the pressure of that again, just as a. To continue with, with the pressure that they were putting on him and the way they were coming after him and to still run again and wait. I mean, it's the Craziest thing you're ever going to see in your life.

[Joe Rogan]

And they shot him.

[Jim Norton]

And they shot him. And they would. The guy was going to do it again or try to add another. And a. Oh, yeah, that guy with the hole in the, in the fence where his golf course was kooky. It's kooky. But it's like, and somebody pointed out to me, it's like, I mean, I'm surprised he doesn't expect this. It's like he went after them. Like he, he went after the CIA and the FBI and said they're going to make it their life's work to come after you now.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also crazy when it gets real transparent like that, though, you know? But when someone like Zuckerberg or any of these other people that run afoul of the federal government or the intelligence agencies, when they see stuff like that, I understand why they comply. Yeah, they're probably fucking terrified.

[Jim Norton]

It is a little or very scary when that, when you're on there. Like, you never want them to dig in and be focused on. On you. Eye of salt on, yeah, yeah, we're coming for you. And because again, they don't pay, they don't pay legal fees. They can do it all day. They can do it through the next administration. Because Leticia J.

[Joe Rogan]

She went after.

[Jim Norton]

What I didn't like about her was a lot, but I didn't like the fact that they went after Cuomo for his book money. Like they went after Andrew Cuomo for his book money. I think they wanted him to get back. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

For what reason?

[Jim Norton]

I don't know what her reasoning was. I mean, obviously she just wanted to stick it to him and fuck him. But I, I think it was that he. That was seen as some form of a government payment or. I don't remember the technicality, but I remember being very annoyed that she was trying to go after. I think it was a $5 million advance.

[Joe Rogan]

Lawfare is fucking terrifying. It's terrifying when they do that to people when everybody could see it. That's the real problem with the Trump one. And my problem wasn't. My real problem was like, don't these people understand? Doesn't the general public with their lack of outrage, because, you know, he's on the right and they're on the left. Don't those people understand that now they've set a precedent and then they could use that on you now or anybody else. And if a Republican president gets in like there's in now, it could be easily used on his Opponents because they've set a precedent. That's scary shit, man. It's really scary.

[Jim Norton]

And nobody. Again, it's like, whether it's with Donald Sterling and privacy, nobody sticks up for each other on principle. And the conservatives don't do it. Like, they've got, like, the free speech thing in their corner now much more than progressives do. But it's like, I don't hear them sticking up for progressives who are annoying. It's like, you have to stick up for people you don't like.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

And that you think are shit. It's not just. You're not a big free speech warrior if you only fucking raise a flag for people who agree with you. And I find them falling into that trap, and it's like, don't fall into that fucking trap. Stick up for progressives who suck and who are saying stupid things. Defend their right to say it without getting in trouble. Don't look at them getting fired as well. Good. Good case of your own medicine. Like, we get it. But then that's. They justify you getting fired 100%. So it drives me crazy that people don't defend other people's right to privacy or right to say what they want. And everyone in the country thinks they're a free speech absolutist, but they're not.

[Joe Rogan]

They're not. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Elon's as close as I've seen. Like, he doesn't seem to be shutting anybody up. Like, regardless of what they say on.

[Joe Rogan]

His platform, people are talking shit about him every day.

[Jim Norton]

I saw one person was. Was alluding to bad things happening to him, you know, like wanting that or. I wouldn't say encouraging. Encouraging it, but close to encouraging it. And I'm like, if he's leaving that up, nobody has any room to complain.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Like, if he leaves up horrible about himself, then.

[Joe Rogan]

And buddy also left up the Kanye song. The Hitler song.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, yes. Is that where he blew his cousin or is that a different one?

[Joe Rogan]

That's a different one.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, wow. All the hits.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, these. The song is Heil Hitler. He's singing Heil Hitler, like, in a catchy song. It's like, wow, this is crazy.

[Jim Norton]

It is crazy. And I don't know Kanye west at all. I've never particularly loved him. I find a lot of it is just like, he'll just say the most troll. Like, something tells me he's going to come back down to earth one day and go, look, I was off my medication. I didn't mean any of that shit that I said. I feel bad about it.

[Joe Rogan]

I think he's going to stay off his medication. I think when he puts on his medication, he can't be creative. I think part of his thing, whatever, his. The way his mind works.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, I mean, it's this mania. There's. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

I was gonna say, I understand that in a way, because I've. I've always liked. You know, you go through your pressure, whatever. I'm like, do I want to go on something? But I've always been scared that it would up my.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably will.

[Jim Norton]

Creativity.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it probably will. I mean, I think. I mean, I don't know what's going on in Kanye's mind or anybody's mind other than my own, but I would imagine that. You mean a guy like Kanye, who's so prolific. I mean, he's put out so many albums, and he's a complete workaholic and just has. Like, when you talk to him, like, I had him on the podcast, and it's almost like when you're talking, he's upset. Like, he doesn't want. He wants to talk. He wants to just constantly talk.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, his brain's like a tornado. Just. It's all just going. All these different thoughts and. But that's also why he can make so many great songs. It's like, it's all just pouring out of him. But, you know, it also gets out of hand, and then, you know, you wind up in the situation where he's in now.

[Jim Norton]

It also. He's the only person he went into. Him and Trump were. He was in Trump's office one time, and he's the only person I've ever seen Trump just kind of sit there and go, all right, well, whenever he's finished, I'll jump in. I've never seen anyone do that to Trump.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, Trump was happy that any celebrity was on his side, because at that point, he was Hitler. You know, there's a lot of people that were calling him Hitler. And to have a guy like Kanye west who is such a contrarian. Also, there was the thing because Obama said he was a jackass.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And so he was like, oh, really? Well, you.

[Jim Norton]

That's right. It was about the Taylor Swift thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

That guy's a jackass. Well, it wasn't even that harsh of an incident. He said it privately, and I think somebody heard it or it was picked up on a mic. I don't think he said it to be public. I thought. I thought he said it Privately. And then somebody got the audio or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that. It was really the Taylor Swift thing.

[Jim Norton]

I believe it was, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, here it is. Here. Yeah, it wasn't. Lady seems like perfectly nice person. She's getting her award. What's he doing?

[Jim Norton]

Why would he do that?

[Joe Rogan]

He's a jackass. No, no, cut this out. Look, I'm assuming all this stuff. Where's the pool? Come on, guys, cut the President some slack.

[Jim Norton]

See what's.

[Joe Rogan]

And he wanted that cut out.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That was private. Private talk. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And it wasn't even said with real malice, real rancor. Yeah. It was just like, he's a jacket. People laugh. Yeah, I guess that would annoy me if I was him.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, if I was him.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Jim Norton]

I guess so, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, yeah, I was being a jackass.

[Jim Norton]

But at what point do you. Because you know, everyone has a Joe Rogan opinion. Everyone weighs in on you. It's crazy. Like I see on the Daily Mail all the time, at what point are you able to go like, I just don't give a fuck what.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't read any of it.

[Jim Norton]

You don't get care.

[Joe Rogan]

Nope, I don't read any of it.

[Jim Norton]

No, I guess. Does it bother you? Has it ever bothered you?

[Joe Rogan]

You can't do anything about it? Why would it bother you? What are you gonna do? You gonna change their mind? You know you can't. And a lot of it is disingenuous. A lot of it. They don't know you. They don't listen to what you say. You know, they far right. Whenever they say far right. Far right podcast, I'm like, okay, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

I've had comics say that. Like, they just don't know. And I'm like, you don't really, you really never paid a attention. I mean, he stuck up for gay marriage. He loves Bernie. Like silly. It's crazy when you hear. I, I was very jealous that you and I talked to Hinchcliffe about this. When you interviewed Magnus. Magnus Carl Carlson. Yeah. There's very few people I really want to meet that I haven't met, but he's somebody. Just see him like bang the chessboard. That was like big news in chess.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Because he lo. He made a fumble. He up. He was ahead of the game.

[Jim Norton]

He was winning. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Made a blunder.

[Jim Norton]

It was and it was. And but here's the genius of the people. Like they actually call it like sport. And the, the people watching it knew he fucked up. Which means they're all geniuses.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jim Norton]

Right. Magnus blundered. Magnus blundered. They couldn't believe he had made that. It was, I think it was a rook move. But he's somebody I would like to. I don't know what I'd talk to him about.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's fascinating. Fascinating. Any high achiever, really high level person like that, world champion and something that's insanely difficult. They're Fascinating people. I feel that way about MMA fighters.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Any kind of pro athlete, Anybody who's like Aaron Rodgers, like any, any high level performer. Those are very, very unusual people.

[Jim Norton]

Do you give them slack? Like, and I mean just in, in your brain as a person, like if they're a little. Whatever. If they're rude, they're rude. But if somebody's a little quirky or weird, if you're that good at something, that might just be the price you pay. Oh, for sure. Like Bobby Fischer, I love. He's one of my favorite people ever, even though he completely went bizarre. But I just, I have such an affection for Bobby Fischer and I'm like, wow. It's just. He's such a genius that sometimes it just. There's a price. It gets away from 100%.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it absolutely does and can. And I think that when you, you're dealing with a high level performer in any discipline, whatever drives them to be that much better than anybody else probably makes them insane. I mean, I just don't think, I don't think real true episode excellence comes without a price. I don't think there's any way to get there without just not being balanced in a bunch of other areas of your life because you're focusing almost all of your attention on one very specific thing, whether it's moving chess pieces around or throwing a football, whatever the fuck it is. Like, you're. There's no way you can be balanced in every aspect of your life if you want to be 5% better than anybody who's ever done it.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. And it is weird too. Like, like, because to be better than everybody at something.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

It's. I mean, whether, like if you ever talk to somebody at a party, just what our life is doing standup and they're talking about their job and a lot of times I'm like, oh, shut the. I don't care. Give a. I know. So to be that on such a level, better than everyone on Earth at something has got to. It's got to be hard not to live in that place.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Where you can't relate. Very few things are interesting. Very few things are moving.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

Like Buzz Aldrin. He snapped at me when we interviewed him. He's a bit of a cranky guy. Let's not dilly dally. I've got to get to cnn. Yes, I asked, I asked him a question, a good question about his book on Mars. I asked him about space travel and I said about what type of psychological testing would you maybe need to Go on a three year space trip.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And good question. Thank you, John. I felt it was too. Buzz did not. He snapped at me. So I. But I bet again, like Regan had a bit about him walking on the moon and it's like when you've gone there, it's almost like anything else. And I took it, by the way, because it was Buzz. I wasn't going to yell at him. It's Buzz Aldrin.

[Joe Rogan]

Whatever.

[Jim Norton]

I'm an annoying blinking idiot asking a question that I think sounds smart. And he just shut me up. But like, how. How do you find other people interesting when you're that guy?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

When you've done that? Maybe my question was just banal and stupid.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's a lot of people like that that are the best. Best at the whatever the. They do that they can't relate to anybody else other than other people that do their thing. And they're usually very competitive with those people. So they've alienated them from their friend group as well, which is really kind of crazy.

[Jim Norton]

Well, the worst is people who think they're that guy and who are just mediocre, just average comics.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's the wor. The comics are the worst with that. The narcissist comics that believe they're better than everybody else when they're just mediocre. It's crazy. And then they just like shit on all the other crazy comics. It's like, do you ever watch your own act? Like, do you don't hate your act? Like that's crazy.

[Jim Norton]

It is. And you think you're doing Shakespeare. And like every comic, like, we all have a narcissistic quality. You need that to be in front of people. Look at me like, that's a narcissistic quality. But there's a difference between that and being like a legit narcissist.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

And the way comics are very petty about guys. Like they attack Matt Rife. I'm like, he's harmless. He's just out there doing his act in front of fucking 20,000 people.

[Joe Rogan]

They hate him because he's successful.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

If he was nobody, they wouldn't hate him. That's all it is, man. There's so many. You very rarely see these comics attacking someone who's not doing as well as them.

[Jim Norton]

It's always a guy who is doing better, who they feel I'm entitled, deserve it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. My comedy is so much more cerebral, so much more interesting. Like, oh, is it really?

[Jim Norton]

I. That's one thing I'll say for myself. And this, I have a lot of faults, but I've always put the blame square, squarely where it belongs. On me.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

I never think it's, the world loves you.

[Joe Rogan]

It's. I mean, that's a very good quality to have, you know, like maybe self deprecating to a fault. Sure, you're a little bit self deprecating to a fault. Like, I don't care. I don't know how many times I've had to tell you, no, Jim, you're great. Stop. You know, like, you and I have had a lot of those conversations.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. And, but I don't do it for.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's better than me saying, Jim, you're not great.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, Jim, you're okay. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ, leave everybody else alone and look at yourself.

[Jim Norton]

But I don't, I don't do that because I want people to compliment me either. Like, I'm never out there going, gee, guys, am I fat? That's impulsive. But, but it's the guys who think, like, I, I went and watched and I don't know, Matt, I just, I went and watched some of his clips. I'm like, he's funny, he's just doing crowd work. Like, what's the problem?

[Joe Rogan]

And he's good at it.

[Jim Norton]

He's good at it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's the reason why the arena's full. First of all, very handsome, good looking guy, cute, adorable, lovable, really nice guy in real life. I knew him before he was ever famous. I met him when he was 20 years old. He was coming around the, the store. He was a nice guy. I've been friends with him for a long time. I don't understand that hate. But I, you know, I was coming from a different position. You know, I was coming from a position where I was already famous and I wasn't looking to be more. I wasn't, you know, there's some people that like always feel like they haven't gotten enough. They haven't gotten enough credit, haven't got enough respect, you know, that these other people are stealing from them. Yeah, it's a famine mentality. It's a terrible mentality to carry around with you because you never heal from it. If you go through life with this famine mindset and everybody else is doing better than you, like you, you have the worst attitude ever for getting good at things because you're always going to be focusing too much of your attention on other people.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

You're really sabotaging yourself, whether you believe it or not.

[Jim Norton]

What they're getting, what they're doing. It's the feeling of entitlement. Like, if I was. If I was bitter about every person that used to open for me that passed me, I mean, I'd be on a comedy club roof with an AR15. I'm just. I couldn't handle it. I mean, you have to learn to live with it and go like, yeah, you know what? I recognized people that were funny. Like, I like funny people. And I was right about certain people. Like, they're really good comics. So, yeah, it's that sense of entitlement that guys get that drives me fucking crazy. But I see them attacking certain people, doing well, and I'm like, I don't. They always did it to Carrot Top. Even though he's actually funny. He's a funny comic.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a funny show. It's got a great show in Vegas. It's fucking great. And he's a really nice guy.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, he's a great guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Not a mean guy. It doesn't deserve anyone's hate. He's a sweetheart.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, when I had him on the podcast, he was so happy and so thankful that, like, someone wasn't shitting on him. And they said, like, dude, I got great crowds. Now my crowds are packed. Like, it's a great show. If you're in Vegas, Go check him out. Yeah, it's fun. And he's a really nice guy.

[Jim Norton]

And I watched him, like, on Kill Tony. There's a clip of him and they pulling out these things and, like, gay mouse. It was a disco ball over a mousetrap, and it was so stupid. But it's like, it really is funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Stuff, and it's silly.

[Jim Norton]

Comedians think all props are bad or all. And me and Colin talked about that one time, and he goes, why should the hacks own McDonald's? Like, meaning, like, if you have something that's original and funny to say about a subject, who cares if hacks have touched it? If your thought is original?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, shit.

[Jim Norton]

Fuck them.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Jim Norton]

And it's this weird thing where comics think they sound smarter if they go after certain things.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's stupid.

[Jim Norton]

It's dumb.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a dumb perspective. It should be here's the world through my eyes, and everything is in the world. Traff is in the world. If you have a traffic joke and it's actually legitimate, like, maybe you have a perspective on traffic that I've never heard before. Maybe your airline travel bit will be the airline travel bit that I really love. Because, you know, there's. That's the problem. With comics too, is that when you're on the road too much, your experiences are very limited because all you're doing is performing in front of people, hanging out in the green room, going to dinner, flying in an airplane, staying in a hotel. So how many comics have jokes about hotel rooms? And. And you know, they knock on the door even when the do not disturb is on, you're jerking off. Like, how many guys have done those jokes? Yes, but it's just because you're. You have a very limited experience to draw from.

[Jim Norton]

I actually, I started taking days off and my wife and I will go on vacation somewhere. We'll do. Because it becomes where you're feeding on yourself. Like, you're only doing A, B, C, D, abc, and there's no life. And I'm like, what am I gonna fucking talk about? We get it. You were at Newark Airport. It sucks.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

So I just wanted to do more life things. A, because it's fun to do, but B, it's like just. I allowed myself to because I'm like, you could at least talk about it on stage. It's not. You can't just talk about being a comic or.

[Joe Rogan]

You're right.

[Jim Norton]

I'm almost too much talking about myself. Like, I want to start talking about other things. I just feel like the only thing I'm really qualified to discuss in my own life. But I kind of want to talk about other shit too because, like, life is kind of stable now and it's. I don't know what to do with that. I don't know how to handle. You know what I mean? Like, not being. Being out and being crazy and fucking riding around for four hours a night with a piss cup in my car. I mean, it was just. It was ugly. It was a fucking ugly scene show. That's what I did when Ona were kicked off the. I would ride around and just fucking. Just ride around for four hours a night. Listen, I couldn't listen to any comedy. I couldn't because I was so in such a fucking depression. I would put on Sports Radio 660, Joe Beningo overnight. I don't know. Do you know who he is?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jim Norton]

He was a guy on 660, 240 on fan, and he was a Jet fan and he was a fucking maniac. But I would listen to him complain about the jets and. Or Art Bell. I fell in love with Art Bell right there. Ah, I didn't even notice that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's on the wall now.

[Jim Norton]

That's how I heard about Michio Kaku. Was from. Was from him. And I tell you, he lived in my building in New York. So I would listen to Art Bell and I would listen to Joe Boningo and just look at hookers all night. And I piss in a cup and I would ride around and it was just. Just my. My way of. And go to bed, wake up maybe eight hours later and go do. Tough crowd. When I was on, it was a very crazy time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So that Life is Ona got pulled. That was. That was an interesting moment of censorship. Right. Like that homeless guy came on and said terrible things about Condoleezza Rice and the Queen of.

[Jim Norton]

No, that's a different. We got fired was for sex for Sam. That was 2000.

[Joe Rogan]

That was when someone had sex in a church.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah. You got points, right?

[Joe Rogan]

That's right. That's right.

[Jim Norton]

But the company had signed off on the bit. Like, I got why they were mad, but they had signed off. It was a sponsored bit. The company knew what was going on. So on A could have survived that if the company didn't throw them out of the boat Panic. And in fairness, it's so much. It's so funny. Like, regular radio is what saved the career because when XM suspended the show for a month, we were on KROC at that time.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

And they kept us on for the month. So then eventually we came back to satellite a month later. But I think they would have those days.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

It's. I'm not doing radio now. It's the first time in 20 years. It's very strange.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jim Norton]

To. To not have to be up. I get up at like nine now and just go to the gym. So I have some kind of schedule. But it's very weird after 20 years to be gone from that.

[Joe Rogan]

You've been on radio forever. It's been more than 20 years, hasn't it?

[Jim Norton]

Well, it was 20 on this run and like.

[Joe Rogan]

But when did the ONA start on.

[Jim Norton]

A. I did in like 2001. 2002.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Jim Norton]

We got five. Came back on October of 04, and my contract expired the end of December of 24. So it was about 22 years total.

[Joe Rogan]

Every comic owes Ona a debt of gratitude. All of us do. Without them, I don't think there would be podcasts. I think that was the real podcast because that was the first time we realized because Ona did the show with no structure, whereas, like, I did Howard a bunch of times. But when you did Howard, you were a guest. They wanted stuff that you were going to talk about. They had questions for you. They had setups. You know, they were ready. And then a couple times, I did Howard, where you would write jokes for him. So you would sit there, and there was an overhead projector. It was the Jackie chair when Jackie left.

[Jim Norton]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So they brought a bunch of us in and then already wound up doing it all the time. I couldn't do it. I just, like. It was too early in the morning. It was like, I didn't want to live in New York, but I did it a bunch of times. But it was structured, you know, and Howard was always in control of it. And he's actually running the keys. He's running the. The board, the soundboard. And, you know, it was very structured show. And, you know, that's how he did it forever. I get it. But the way Ona did it was so different. There was no structure. You'd go in there and just sit and just have fun.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it was be Patrice and you and me. And, you know, everybody would come in Bobby Voss and Bobby, and all these different people come in Burr and, you know, I mean, and it was some of the wildest moments ever. Like, the baby bird that.

[Jim Norton]

I'll never see anything crazier than that in my life. Never. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He died recently. Huh.

[Jim Norton]

Pat from Unaki.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Pat Philbin, I think his name was.

[Joe Rogan]

Rest in peace, Pat from Unaki. That one thing that you did that one day was one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, it was. Ari was there with me. Burr was there. And I remember it was Maya idea.

[Jim Norton]

I think it was right, because, you.

[Joe Rogan]

Know, I was doing Fear Factor at the time. I was used to people doing horrible. And I was like, how about you lean your head over the garbage can and he throws up in your mouth?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And Pat Duffy, who was such a psycho, he was like, okay. He would do anything. He brushed his teeth with cat.

[Jim Norton]

I. I thought it was dog, but you might be right. But I'm going to. Pat Duffy was a fucking.

[Joe Rogan]

Fucking psycho.

[Jim Norton]

He was like a marine if interns had that. He was a seal.

[Joe Rogan]

He was a seal.

[Jim Norton]

Fearless.

[Joe Rogan]

Fearless.

[Jim Norton]

He was funny. He didn't give a fuck. He got it. He was great.

[Joe Rogan]

It was great. He was the best, like, radio employee of all time.

[Jim Norton]

He really was.

[Joe Rogan]

And that moment was the fucking craziest thing I'd ever seen in my life. I couldn't believe it was happening. And the amount of vomit that was coming out of Pat's mouth when he was throwing it into Pat Duffy's Face. And Pat was lying there with his mouth open, letting. I mean, people at home listening to this. You'll. Come on. There's cell phone footage of this.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

From like a 2002 cell. There it is.

[Jim Norton]

2007. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Was it 2007?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. And because we're in Krock, that's the KROC studio right there. Look at these.

[Joe Rogan]

Froze up in his mouth. His mouth is wide open. It was so disgusting. And it kept coming.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because Pat drank like some 70 something things of eggnog. Like two gallons of eggnog. It was insane. Any ide. Oh, there it goes. There it goes. And it would just keep coming. Like you're like, no, it's over. And if you hear us in the studio, we're all screaming and he just keeps throwing up. You think it's over? You think it's over? Nope. He's got more. And at the end, I mean, it's cartoonish. It's like that scene in Stand By Me with the blueberry eating contest.

[Jim Norton]

Yes. Or in Mon. It keeps going.

[Joe Rogan]

It keeps going. It does. It doesn't end. He thinks it's over. Oh, it was absolutely, completely insane.

[Jim Norton]

Do you ever see the Meaning of Life, Monty Python, when the guy. A waffer, Thin Mint Monsieur. And he starts vomiting. Get me a bucket.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm gonna throw up. Oh, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

That's what he reminds me of. Because he's not moving. He's standing there and his mouth opens and the vomit just shoot, dude. Usually you wretch and you move, but he just opened his mouth and it was like a button got pushed. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And if it wasn't. There it is. Exactly. It's just like. But it's not. That's not even as extreme.

[Jim Norton]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Look how fat that guy is.

[Jim Norton]

I mean, he was just great.

[Joe Rogan]

Insane.

[Jim Norton]

A waffer Thin mint.

[Joe Rogan]

And you know, that show, having that kind of a format, let us all realize how fun it is to just get comics together and just talk.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, and then when Anthony started doing Live from the Compound, when he did his own show, that was real. And. And then, of course, Tom Green show, because Tom Green has his own show in his living room. And I. I was a guest on that too. And I was like, that really lit the light bulb in my head.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But when Anthony started doing his own show from his basement, I was like, why don't I do something like that? You know, I could see. And he had a professional setup. He had he had beer kegs and he had beer on tap and he was doing karaoke with a machine.

[Jim Norton]

With a machine gun. I mean, just a psychopath singing, you light up my life with a AR 1515.

[Joe Rogan]

But he was having a good time. And I remember there the radio station was trying to get him to stop doing it. XM or Serious or whoever it was was trying to get him to stop doing it. And he was like, but why? It's not radio, right? If anything, he's getting more people to watch the radio show.

[Jim Norton]

He would do it on weekends. It didn't interfere with the show. It was like he would just go and around.

[Joe Rogan]

And that was back when we were on Pal Talk too, remember?

[Jim Norton]

Oh, God. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The video would be on Pal Talk because most people would only be watching or listening on radio, Right. But then they would broadcast live on PAL Talk because it was like so unheard of. Like nobody was doing that.

[Jim Norton]

That was how the Anthony Weiner dick photo got out.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Jim Norton]

That was from Opie and Anthony. That was. We had Vincent d' Onofrio in studio and we had Andrew Breitbart and because I had met Breitbart doing Red Eye on Fox. So they both came in and we were talking and the Pal Talk window was open and apparently I didn't like. Andrew had the picture of Anthony Weiner's dick. So he showed us in studio. We just looked at it on the phone. I didn't. But apparently Anthony held it up to the Pal Talk window and showed them and somebody grabbed it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow.

[Jim Norton]

And that was how that photo got out.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Sirius XM and Sticky Situation. I want an investigation from Sirius into what the hell happened there. Breitbart says after he shows an X rated picture to shock jocks Obi and Anthony, who then share it on.

[Jim Norton]

Maybe one of the guys tweeted it too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But I. It was one of the Bre park got mad at me and he's like, I was friends with Jim Norton and he told this to Elliot Spitzer on his show. And he goes, and he betrayed me. But I really didn't. It wasn't me. I was doing Tom Papa's podcast.

[Joe Rogan]

So he thought you did it?

[Jim Norton]

He thought I set him up, but I really didn't. No. And I saw him years later in LA and we. I explained to him and he was very cool. I was happy because right before he died, so I always liked him. I was happy that we. At least I got to tell him, dude, that wasn't me at all.

[Joe Rogan]

Did they whack. Him.

[Jim Norton]

Did they whack Andrew Beepart?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

No, because they would have crashed the site. I mean, he was doing coke, right? Wasn't it an overdose or something?

[Joe Rogan]

I think he had a heart attack.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, he's a heart attack. I thought it was here. I'm just starting rumors. He was doing coke, right?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't remember. I mean, maybe he was doing coke, but I think it was a heart attack.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, it might have been.

[Joe Rogan]

I think there was a lot of suspicion that he might have got whacked.

[Jim Norton]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Because. Yeah, he was one of those guys that was, you know, exposing a lot of shit.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, but they didn't. They didn't crash the site. Did the site change after he was gone?

[Joe Rogan]

Wearing headphones?

[Jim Norton]

God damn it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just so on. You just put them on.

[Jim Norton]

No wonder I was enjoying myself so much.

[Joe Rogan]

We did When Liberace winks at me. Liberace got you to wear headphones?

[Jim Norton]

He sure did.

[Joe Rogan]

Just noticed that you were wearing them.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I didn't notice either. But when Liberace winks, you have to hear it in both ears.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there was some. There was some speculation that he got whacked, but whenever anybody dies or speculation. They got whacked.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know that, but I felt bad about that.

[Jamie]

Collapsed on the street near his home.

[Joe Rogan]

Collapsed on the street near his home. Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, focal coronary arthrosclerosis. Died from congest congestive heart failure, which had been diagnosed the year before. Oh, so he had a heart attack.

[Jim Norton]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, I mean, when you're running a site like that, I mean, imagine the stress.

[Jim Norton]

It's constant.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And then, you know, you're also like, your. Your business is expos. People politically and opening up yourself to potential assassination.

[Jim Norton]

Well, who do you think put up the Opie and Anthony homeless Charlie audio?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he did.

[Jim Norton]

It was Andrew Breitbart. It was before I knew him, but that's what it went up on Breitbart. And the headline was, will this crash? Will this stop the merger between Sirius and xm?

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jim Norton]

So that was why they reacted, because they were afraid? I think people in regular radio wanted to stop that merger.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, how? 100%.

[Jim Norton]

So they.

[Joe Rogan]

Radio was terrified of Sirius XM.

[Jim Norton]

They were terrified of it, and I think so. I think they pushed that story, hoping that it would tank the merger, which of course, it did not.

[Joe Rogan]

You remember those days when you first went over there? It was so crazy because we could talk. Like we would talk in the green room.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

We could swear we'd call someone a. You could say anything you want. It was crazy.

[Jim Norton]

They never. I'll tell you one thing that's seriously. Even though I didn't like the way the contra way my time there ended, I. I wish that was handled a little bit. Bit better. But I guess everybody who leaves a gig wishes things were handled differently. They never once with me about content. I'll say that for them. They never came for me goes, hey, man, we. That thing you talked about, could you not. Could you back off? Even long into where everybody was getting canceled in trouble. Sirius never came and asked me not to say something. Jim McClure who ran the channel, never broke my balls about jokes we did or a stance we would take. Like, they kind of let that go.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they had a crazy situation where they. You knew that one person was getting insane amounts of money.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Howard Stern and everybody else was getting very little was real weird. It was because it was very open that Howard was getting all that money, which obviously he was the reason why everybody went over there in the first place.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, he.

[Joe Rogan]

I get it.

[Jim Norton]

It was. It was serious and we were at XM and he was at Sirius, and that was the giant get was Howard going over.

[Joe Rogan]

Also, there's also the thing that if he leaves, the stock collapses. Especially now.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, I mean, if you don't have Howard Stern anymore, what do you got? What do you have that's not available for free?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I sold my serious stock. So whatever happens, I did. I was happy. It spiked up to like seven, and I fucking dumped.

[Joe Rogan]

Were you allowed to sell while you were working there? Did you have to wait till you weren't working there?

[Jim Norton]

Nobody cared. Nobody asked me.

[Joe Rogan]

They didn't give me stock or. You bought. No, I bought.

[Jim Norton]

I bought it. I bought it years before when I thought they're gonna go back bankrupt. We bought a little bit, but I was. Guess what? I talked about the lawsuits when I was getting sued. So I didn't buy as much because. Paying for fucking lawyers. But yeah, they tried to cut me like an unreasonable amount. And so we were still negotiating, and then they just go, oh, yeah, we're not going to renew. They waited till Christmas break and they go, we're not going to renew. So I was like, all right, I guess I get why they did that. But.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's got to be weird when you're over there and you know that Stern is getting hundreds of millions of dollars and everybody else is like, you know, they're just Pinching pennies with people.

[Jim Norton]

I never minded that and really didn't care because I only cared about what I was getting. And when I saw what they gave certain podcasters that went over there, I'm like, okay, they do have the money. So choosing not to give it to me. Yeah, I have to just accept that. Like you. I mean, like, I never knew what Opie and Anthony made. I still to this day don't know what their salary was. I never asked.

[Joe Rogan]

Great.

[Jim Norton]

Begrudge those guys. I never gave a fuck. Like, you know, they were the brand. Opie, Anthony. It was like they took me in. So I never care what they got. I never felt entitled to their money, and I never asked what they made. Even when me and Opie did a show, I never said, what's he making? Like, they gave me a raise, but I didn't. I don't look at money like that. Like, I have to know what you're. Because it's like, yeah, that's not my.

[Joe Rogan]

That's good. That's a healthy way to look at it.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. So whatever Howard made, I'm sure some of it was inflated, but, like, oh.

[Joe Rogan]

He made a lot of money.

[Jim Norton]

He did.

[Joe Rogan]

He made a lot of money. But. But again, if he's not there, how are you selling it? If he's not not there, what do you. What are you selling that's not available for free everywhere?

[Jim Norton]

That's why I was, like, bummed about the way it happened. I'm like, because we did a talk show. Maybe they were just like, ah, we can put more money into the rest of the channel if Jim go, whatever. I'm glad I'm doing a podcast. Like, I haven't noticed any change in my life, which is great because I'm on the road more making. You know, I'm making money on the road, but it's weird not having it. It's weird. It's weird not knowing that it's there.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right, right.

[Jim Norton]

Like, it hasn't affected anything, but the knowledge that that income was going to be there is gone. So it's a kind of a weird naked feeling.

[Joe Rogan]

Does it make you more motivated to do stuff, though, to like, to get your own thing going on in the.

[Jim Norton]

I'm on the road more now. Like, I'm doing extra road work. And the special was one of those things where I wanted to do one anyway. But it. Like, I shot it in November, and before we even came back from break, I had my channel set up. I had already started doing episodes. I was like, this I'm not sitting and waiting. It's not going to take me a year. Yeah, I'm just gonna get up and if it takes me a year to get moving, fine, but I'm gonna start now.

[Joe Rogan]

What is Sam doing these days?

[Jim Norton]

He's doing a show. They gave him the show.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so he still has a show and they got rid of you?

[Jim Norton]

Yes. Whoa. Well, I mean, I kind of saw that coming. I used to. Yeah. I mean, I, I almost. They had cut me the year before a little bit, but again, I'm not unreasonable. I'm not a fucking idiot. People, People take cuts.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they cut your money?

[Jim Norton]

Yes, by 10%. But I'm like, you know what? It's still good money. My wife had just come to the States. I'm like, I want to make sure I have money for lawyers, whatever. And then I told my manager, they're going to cut me by this much, guaranteed. And they almost to the dollar, offered me what I predicted. So we pushed back and tried to negotiate and they acted like they were negotiating. And then the day, the day of Christmas break, like we were off the air for two weeks. I got the call like, yeah, we're not, not gonna. So they were just kind of, I think, keeping it going until that. But I don't, I don't have any bad. I truly don't. Like, they bought me two apartments. I had a great life there. I, I broadcasted for 20 years. Like, it's time to move on anyway.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And I was telling you a long time ago that you could be doing better on the Internet anyway by your own.

[Jim Norton]

I think you. I remember, I remember you talking to me. I mean, 2017, around. Even before then, about podcast. I wasn't allowed to podcast because of my, My, my contract. They wouldn't allow it. And I think that was one of the sticking points with this one. I was like, I have to be able to do my own podcast, especially if I'm taking a cut and I'll just eat shit for a while until it gets where I want it to go.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you have to be able to be your own boss in this day and age. It's just, it's not, it's. And also the. As big as SiriusXM was, it's just not that anymore, you know, it's just not what it used to be be like if, If I didn't have a podcast and during the Opie and Anthony days when it was in his height, if they offered me a show, I've been like, whoa, okay, that would have made sense. But now I'd be like, what am I? What? That. Unless I wanted to do kind of what Howard's done, just make a ton of money and kind of like slip away. Which is really what I kind of tried to do with. With Spotify. I was hoping that Spotify was going to make me, like, 10% less famous. That was like, the idea behind it.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I was like, give me money, Give me money. More famous. I don't need that. Just give me the money. But, you know, if. But nowadays, it's like there's just not enough people listening. And I know they own Pandora now, too, so they made a bunch of deals with podcasters because I think they're going to try to get people to listen to Pandora and do it that way.

[Jim Norton]

But you're Stitcher. I think they do, too. Stitcher.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. I. We used to be on Stitcher too. But that's the thing. It's like the Internet is just too. There's so many more people that are listening to all these other platforms. Spotify, YouTube, it's just. It's just too enormous. It's too big to ignore.

[Jim Norton]

It is. It is. And it's like, I think that they kind of. They handle podcasting in a way that terrestrial radio handled satellite, which was, you know, it's not a big deal. And then get involved with it or somehow embrace it, but a little bit later, later in the. In the game.

[Joe Rogan]

Too late.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, but I mean, they have some big podcasts. I mean, like, again, I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

They have Call her Daddy.

[Jim Norton]

They do. And when I realized the money they gave her, again, I don't begrudge her at all. Like, whatever you make, you make. And it's got nothing to do with my salary, but I realize they do have the money, so if they're choosing not to, I have to just accept that.

[Joe Rogan]

But you gotta wonder if that's a good idea for her. But she's still on Spotify, though.

[Jim Norton]

I don't know. Is she? I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Isn't she? She is, right? Yeah. I think she's still everywhere else, too.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is. Makes it a good idea. The thing is, if they limit your distribution, that's what makes it a bad idea. Like, one of the new things that we did with this new deal with Spotify, and they were actually into it, was put it everywhere. You know, not just be on Spotify, but also go back on YouTube, back on Apple, back everywhere. Which was. Made me very happy. Like, it should be everywhere.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, because you want people to.

[Jim Norton]

Just to stumble on it or to go, I heard this thing about, about this thing today. I want to go look at it right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

They don't have to sign up for something. Enter the email.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Jim Norton]

Give your credit card. Yeah. It's kind of silly.

[Joe Rogan]

And some people just get accustomed to using certain platforms. Like for me, forever, all I listen to is Apple Podcasts, you know, the podcast app on Apple Simple. I'd like download whatever the shows I wanted to listen to, and I would get it that way. I don't want to have to change. I want to have to look around. You know, it's just one of those things. People get accustomed to getting things in a certain, certain way.

[Jim Norton]

It's right. It's there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

It's great to see too. Like, Like, I don't know if Schultz, I'm sure he does get the credit, but like, Dane deserves a lot of credit because of. Of the, the social media.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And I think Dane history has kind of forgotten about what, like, he did a lot to change the way we promote 100%. And then Schultz, that, that thing of just turn your phone this way now. Like, holy sh. Like, it revolutionized the way comedians put out clips. And it's like, I mean, well, what.

[Joe Rogan]

He did was do he. He capitalized on Covid in the best possible way. He came up with a. A different style. He's so smart. He thought of a different style of comp. Because there was a lot of people during COVID that were doing like late night talk show monologues on the Internet. And they were terrible. Terrible because there was no audience.

[Jim Norton]

No audience.

[Joe Rogan]

But what Schultz did was he made up for the fact there wasn't any audience with visuals and rapid fire punchlines.

[Jim Norton]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

And he did it differently than he does his standup. Like, his standup, he'll say something really funny and let it sit so it's even funnier. Like, it builds, you know, and he'll look at you like what? You know, it'll hold the laugh.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Whereas in this Netflix or in the. The. You know, it was on Netflix as well, but when he was doing the sideways thing, it was just rapid fire. And it is. He's more than a this and that and then that and this and a photograph of the thing and you'd watch and you go hilarious.

[Jim Norton]

Different than stand up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. And everybody was sharing it. It was a genius approach to a genre. Instead of trying to apply stand up style comedy and monologues to, you know, Your Instagram. He did a whole new thing.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. And his standup is funny. He did something on. On jokes that only work in Hawaii. And I was. It's in an arena and he's murdering the way you murder in a club. But it's like they're all new jokes just for Hawaii. And it was like, God damn, it's really funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Everywhere he goes. I know he did that in Abu Dhabi or Dubai. Yeah, in Dubai. He had jokes only about Dubai, about, you know, about. On hookers.

[Jim Norton]

It was like, oh, that's so awesome. It's my life. But I was happy to see somebody doing something really creative as opposed to blinking their way through.

[Joe Rogan]

Chip.

[Jim Norton]

Chippers on a TBS show. We do what we have to to survive.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't. On Chip.

[Jim Norton]

I love Chip.

[Joe Rogan]

I love Chip too. I love, love the fact that that's your, your closet character. Would you put the wig on and the glasses?

[Jim Norton]

You understand? It's the bane of my ex. I can't do anything without being called a sock. In the, in the live chat today, it's all Chip. Hey, when's Chip coming back? Chip is better. It's all people love and hate Chip.

[Joe Rogan]

I love Chip. I love Chip. Yeah, it's Stab is such a weird thing.

[Jim Norton]

It is.

[Joe Rogan]

It really is.

[Jim Norton]

I might do it again. I miss doing it. Like. Like when Anthony would come on, it was like the best. We did a few live. Did three live shows with it, and it was amazing. There were theater shows and the crowds loved it. It sold better than I do, which is absolutely humiliating. I sold tickets faster as Chip than Jim Norton. Jim Norton. There's still a giant curtain. Chip fucking sold out. But I do miss doing it, but I don't miss getting guests. Like, I now I have one podcast to do. I love doing it, but I still hate saying, hey, could you film my. Like, I hate.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you do it all yourself? Is that what you. The way you did it? Pretty much reach out to people?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I had a. My co host. My. My. The co host I was using most recently Zia, and she was great and she would do like a lot of the behind the scenes work for me and she would, you know, help reach out to people and coordinate. But I ultimately had to ask. It was like one of those things if I wanted a comedian on. One time, Nick DePaulo came on and he was sitting across and this was what Chip would gave us all sailor hats. And we're all wearing sailor hats.

[Joe Rogan]

And I remember call him Chip.

[Jim Norton]

I have to. I can't say me I. I can't. I can't face it. It's like Ted Bundy would talk about himself in the third person. Why? Because he's not proud of it. So I would. All we. We had on these sailor hats. I remember Nick was talking to me. We were having fun. But it was the way he was like looking like he was looking at Jim as he was talking. And he didn't say he was. He played along. But I was like, oh, I. I just had a Nick stare at me. And I knew he was seeing his friend Jim with a wig on. A wig and glasses. But I do miss it. Made me laugh to do it. But people would just be too annoying about like, oh, get this guys. Get that. They would complain. I was like, oh, I made zero money doing it. And here's why I didn't made a minute on YouTube because I didn't realize that I shouldn't have had the word in the theme song. Jamie Jaster from Hate Breed sang the theme song and it was Chip has a fucking. But like literally that automatically you for monetization, right? And I had no idea. So all of my episodes had in the first five seconds. I never made any money doing few hundred bucks on a read here and there. But it was. It was a labor of love. It was one of those things that.

[Joe Rogan]

You can bring it back with a new theme song. I could.

[Jim Norton]

Or I did change it at one point. I. I changed it. It took.

[Joe Rogan]

Change it. People love Chip put.

[Jim Norton]

Gosh darn. It was like some obvious. Some awful edit that went in. But it's like, when am I gonna do it? Where am I gonna do? Once mine gets up and like, mine's been up for a few months. I love doing it. We do callers, which I like the live interactions. Like when you do radio, it's hard to not feel like anybody is listening right in the moment, you know? And it takes you in weird directions. Like people will call up with legit everyone. Like some comics, like, ah. But then as soon as somebody goes, what do you think about this? And they're talking about wanting to commit suicide or they're talking about. It becomes interesting because people like everyone wants to give advice.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, Right, right. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

So I like that. I like knowing that something alive will take you into a different direction than we would have gone in.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. There's something to that. Yeah, there's definitely something to that. But there's that, you know, there's also something. It's like it becomes very chaotic because people are Calling it just to. With you.

[Jim Norton]

And I've surprisingly had very little of that. I mean, again, I'm always with. Coming from Ona, like, nothing is too much at this point, because you become so used to.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

Craziness and people. Death threats and the. I still use a fake name at the seller because I would get death threats like that. There was a couple of them that actually concerned me because people using their real names. I'm like, if a guy is threatening to kill you with his real name attached to it, like, he's fucking. He's a problem.

[Joe Rogan]

What Was it over 1. 1.

[Jim Norton]

There was one time Anthony had said something, and the guy thought I said it. And the guy said something about, I'm gonna kill you. I don't remember what it was, but it was. It was the tone. He said it. I'm like, that feels different than anything anyone's ever said to me. Plus, again, last time we talked about the lawyer who hadn't committed a murder at that point. But I still knew he was crazy. And I would get. I have a hate mail file. And I used to argue with them.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, boy.

[Jim Norton]

Back and forth like a dummy. But people would tell me, watch your back. I know where you live. I'm gonna shoot you. And then I would see a real name signed to it. And I'm like, yeah, that guy's mentally ill.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of those out there.

[Jim Norton]

Fuck yeah, there are a lot. So I started doing at the Comedy Cellar, I would always use names from the JFK assassination. Like David Ferry was appearing. It was never Oswald or Kennedy. I wasn't that on the nose, but it was him. Was. It was, you know, Clay Shaw. It was just all these weird people from the. From the Kennedy assassination.

[Joe Rogan]

Ali Wong used to have to do.

[Jim Norton]

That at the Comedy Store because she was famous, right? Would she have stalker.

[Joe Rogan]

She'd get stalkers. There was this one crazy guy that kept showing up. But, you know, I guess stalkers for a woman are even more creepy.

[Jim Norton]

Much more terrifying for a woman. And it's like, there's got to be a way. Like, in Black Mirror, there's one thing you. They had a thing where you could block people from seeing you. And again, it's a futuristic thing. But the penalty for stalking should be so fucking severe because the way they allow someone to ruin someone else's life. Yeah, it's crazy that they haven't figured out something where when you're convicted of stalking, you should be forced to have something in your phone or some type of a monitor. Bracelet that alerts the other person. It drives me crazy. There's nothing I hate more than some fucking creep stalker. But I guess I've dealt with it.

[Joe Rogan]

So, again, it's very creepy for women. Way more creepy for women, you know, and they get a lot more of them. A lot of guys get obsessed.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Because I don't get stuck.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jim Norton]

I'm not interesting to stalk because I. You stalk me. Just show up and have nice tits. I mean, you got me. But I. I did one stalker, which was great. Turned out to be.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

It was a bad move and I was bad in bed. I couldn't keep it up. I was just. It was. It was during the lawsuit. It was a really bad time for me and I. I kind of felt bad. Like she thought I didn't like her, but I was just. But anyway, for two years it was phone stalking. And it was not scary like it would be for a woman, just annoying. But it becomes a part of your life. Like you become like, this is with the old iPhones. So I would always get these. I would leave LA on a red eye and I would land and my. My iPhone would be filled with voice messages.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, boy.

[Jim Norton]

About, you know, at Jim and just, you know, what a piece of shit I was, that guy. So, like, she used to think I was talking to her on the radio.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, oh, she was schizophrenic.

[Jim Norton]

I don't know. We would talk dirty a lot. And I. And I. And. And you know, and credit where it's due.

[Joe Rogan]

Did good dirty.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, you have no idea.

[Joe Rogan]

The crazy ones are the best.

[Jim Norton]

They anticipate exactly what you need right before you get there.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, psychotic and erotic. Yeah, real close.

[Jim Norton]

It really is because there's something about the energy, inhibitions being lowered and you know, the cuck talk. I always like that. Not as much now because again, I'm married. But I always enjoyed good cuck talk. Would always make me very happy. And I get why guys wouldn't like that, but it would make me crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so weird what people like. Like the. The on the chest thing. That's position. Like influencers get paid to go to Dubai, a lot of money. And those guys will shit on them.

[Jim Norton]

Wait, they shit on the influencer? The influencer shits on them.

[Joe Rogan]

They on the influencer.

[Jim Norton]

Real. I can see that. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Like hot girls. Hot girls go over there and they can make half a million dollars and a guy on for a weekend.

[Jim Norton]

That's so. That's crazy. Yeah, like just I guess that if.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't more than that. I mean, if you're thinking about people that have insane amounts of money, you know, you're dealing with like, oil money, these guys, like, you know, we talk about the richest people in the world. Elon Musk is the richest man in the world. Yes, well, well, he's the richest public man in the world. I mean, I'm not saying he's not insanely rich. He's worth 200 something billion dollars. But that's nothing compared to these royal families, right? These oil families. They probably have trillions. They probably have trillions of dollars, but it's not public. They don't have to disclose how much money they have. Whereas in America, like, wealthy people that are like, on the, on the legit and the up and up, you, you know, everybody knows what your net worth is.

[Jim Norton]

Everybody knows how much you have. But to pay somebody. See, I thought you meant to get on.

[Joe Rogan]

But to.

[Jim Norton]

On an influencer, I've seen a few tick tocks where I'm like, I'd give her a thousand if she let me take a dump on her. She was annoying. She was annoying.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that's what they do.

[Jim Norton]

That's great.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, this is. People have talked about it openly. Girls have talked on some of those weird podcasts. Girls have talked about how they go over there and, you know, they make hundreds of thousands of dollars and, you know, it's only like 20 minutes of their time. They just lay there, some guy shits on them. Everybody cheers.

[Jim Norton]

That's. Oh, there's a group of people watching.

[Joe Rogan]

A bunch of guys. Your boys are there.

[Jim Norton]

And you shit on her, an influencer, because she probably said something you didn't.

[Joe Rogan]

Like or you just want to shit on a hot girl's tits.

[Jim Norton]

I mean, that would do nothing for me and I'm a pervert.

[Joe Rogan]

But I think it's like a humiliation thing. They want to humiliate people and they want to know that they have so much money that they can get you to submit to this willingness willingly.

[Jim Norton]

Dude, I've seen the humiliation look every time I. Someone I know what that look is.

[Joe Rogan]

It is a weird desire to want to. On somebody.

[Jim Norton]

It is because it's so not sexual. Like, it's weirdly punishing or like, like, and again, being dirty is. I'm not saying having the fetish is wrong because I've been pissed on. Like, it's whatever. I mean, a lot. I've done a lot. I've tried it, and I don't even know what I liked about It. I. I don't know what I liked about it. Was it because I.

[Joe Rogan]

It's naughty.

[Jim Norton]

It was intimate and naughty.

[Joe Rogan]

It was private and not private. Intimate and naughty.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And I think, well, that's. You're getting pissed on. Whereas, like, if you're having someone lay there while you on them, that is like just an ultimate expression of the. The power of money.

[Jim Norton]

I suppose it is. I just don't understand the desire. Just like there's so many things I would love to do if people would let me do them for money, but not on them. Like, that would just be so, like, my shits are horrendous. Like, I'd be embarrassed and.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. And you want to make sure you could at the proper time, because you can't really time your shits.

[Jim Norton]

No, but again, if you have enough money to bring her over and on, or you have enough money to keep her on hold. Yeah, she's not gonna tell you. I'm busy.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm drinking coffee.

[Jim Norton]

I'm having a cold, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm smoking cigarettes, drinking coffee, brewing up a good one for you.

[Jim Norton]

I have not heard that. I know that people get sent over there, there, and they. I actually want to go to Dubai. Like, it's the. One of the few places beautiful. Have you been to the Birch?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I haven't been to that, but I've been to Dubai. I was in Dubai once because they had the weigh ins there for the ufc. And it's like everywhere you look, it's like Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini. Like, there's. The amount of money there was preposterous. And this was quite a long time ago. This was like 2007, I believe that's.

[Jim Norton]

Probably before the bridge was built was the Birch Cliff.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think think it was there. So what I seen is just like what was there then? And just the obscene amount of wealth. It's really, like shocking. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

I want to go. Just to go up because I'm afraid of heights. So, like, I want to go into that, that, that. That observation deck on top. The one that top.

[Joe Rogan]

How many floors is it?

[Jim Norton]

I want to say it's like 120 or something. It's. It's crazy. It's 3,000ft. The. The tower. I think it's the tallest structure in the world. And there's a few people who have sat in that. Like, there's that. You see that picture of Tom Cruise, who is batshit crazy. Like he actually jumped out the window of that thing for real. Do you ever see Footage of him training for that Mission Impossible.

[Joe Rogan]

He jumped out the window.

[Jim Norton]

He jumped out the window strapped in. And I've seen footage of him, like taken by people on the observation deck of Tom Cruise hanging out on the outside of the burge tower. And there's a picture of him sitting on the very, very top. It's 3,3000ft and his feet are just hanging off and a helicopter is circling. He was the first guy to do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Harnessed or anything.

[Jim Norton]

He's probably harnessed on his back somehow.

[Joe Rogan]

What is this for a Mission Impossible?

[Jim Norton]

One of the Mission Impossibles, but yeah, that's.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. But he actually is in space. Oh my God, look how tall that is. He's running.

[Jim Norton]

It's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a maniac.

[Jim Norton]

He is.

[Joe Rogan]

The fact that he's still doing these stunts and he's 62 years old. Do you see what he did the last Mission Impossible? He jumped in a flaming parachute, ripped the parachute off, and then opened up the second parachute. And, you know, I mean, there's no backup parachute for the second parachute. He's doing this for a movie.

[Jim Norton]

If I, I've never met Tom Cruise. If I ever met. All I want to ask him is, how do you get insurance companies to agree.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

To let you do this? Right. I can't imagine. He was running down the, the face of the town and some of it was shot in cgi, but the. That's legit. Like, that was real. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Here it is. Look at this. So he's. He jumps out in a flaming parachute and this is all planned out. I mean, they douse the parachute with gasoline jumps. They light it on fire. Look at that.

[Jamie]

16 times.

[Joe Rogan]

16 times. Oh, my God. So he has to cut it loose and then he has to open up his secondary parachute.

[Jim Norton]

Is there, you wonder, is there a kill switch that if like, like if you push a clamp and you can't get the clamp.

[Joe Rogan]

No, he's like, if he can't cut loose, he's. And if his second parachute doesn't work, he's doubled.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I heard him say. Sort of like he figures out some crazy hasn't done and then just goes through all the processes of like, how do you learn how to do this?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he learned how to fly helicopters for one of the stunts. So like one of the stunts where they're. They're bombing through the canyons. Yeah, he was actually flying the helicopter. He wanted to make it really obvious that it was him.

[Jim Norton]

Yes. Flying that Helicopter and the side of the. I've seen him talk about, like, being on the side of the plane that took off when he was hanging off the plane. But you wonder, like, what. What is it in you that, like, what kind of a rush when you're not working? What do you do to thinking of, like, fucking Cowboy Cerani will fly a plane and then cut the engine and fall because he needs that. He's fucking crazy. And he's dopamine. What do you do to match this in your real life?

[Joe Rogan]

The new one, the new plane thing? He's done a couple of different plain ones. This is just one of them.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, oh, you see the string there?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. But they edit.

[Jim Norton]

All right.

[Joe Rogan]

In the movie, right?

[Jamie]

What if the string breaks?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, what if the string breaks?

[Jim Norton]

That's right. You can only have so much faith, Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Also, if he gets hit by a bird right here and gets KO'd or.

[Jim Norton]

Falls back and bangs his head on the side of the.

[Joe Rogan]

This is a thing that's only for these Mission Impossible movies. But by the way, he's been doing these Mission Impossible movies forever.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

I was listening to an EPMD song the other day, and in the things like Mission Impossible, not Tom Cruise. Like, there was joking around about Tom Cruise being in Mission Impossible in an EPMD song from, like, what year was that?

[Jim Norton]

Oh, EPM, you know, EPMD, the rappers.

[Joe Rogan]

97.

[Jim Norton]

Do I not know that that was.

[Joe Rogan]

His first Mission Impossible movie?

[Jamie]

I mean, that's when the lyric came out. The song's called the Joint. That's the. Where it's in, I guess.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, what year was the first Tom Cruise Mission Impossible Impossible movie at the same time?

[Jamie]

Maybe even 96, 95, if they were writing about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow, that's wild. That is wild. So he's been basically doing mission impossible for 30 years. He's 62 now.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

But he doesn't do that in the other movies. He does.

[Jamie]

Well, some of them.

[Joe Rogan]

Does he. Does he do crazy stunts in all of his movies? What about that?

[Jamie]

I mean, the one the live, die, repeat.

[Joe Rogan]

That's. Oh, yeah. Was he doing stunts in those?

[Jamie]

Not. I mean, I don't know who's. Exactly. Exactly how many of them he did. But he did the Jack Reacher too. I was trying to think of two. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And he also broke his ankle. He was jumping from one building to another.

[Joe Rogan]

It's destroyed his ankle.

[Jim Norton]

He destroyed. But he actually fucking limped and tried to finish the shot. Like what a.

[Joe Rogan]

Finish the shot?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, it's insane.

[Joe Rogan]

See his ankle collapse when he Hits the wall. He's a fucking nut, man. Like, a real nut.

[Jim Norton]

It's like when you look, but you watch old Buster Keaton footage.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

The crazy shit that he would do. The train or the building.

[Joe Rogan]

How many Mission Impossible movies? Movies are there?

[Jamie]

I think there's 11.

[Jim Norton]

Is there 11? I thought there's like, seven or eight.

[Jamie]

Seven.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, seven.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So. And it all started in 96. Is that what you said? Jesus Christ. That guy's been in some banger movies. Scientology works for some people.

[Jim Norton]

It's, it's, it's interesting that he wants to do all of his own stuff. The Firm, I just rewatched. It's fun. I hated the music in the Firm so much, it took me out of it. But that's a pretty. That's a great film. Gene Hackman was great.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

What a shame he died, man. He's one guy I never met that I wanted to meet.

[Joe Rogan]

Gene. I would have liked to have met him, too.

[Jim Norton]

Is he.

[Joe Rogan]

He died bad, though.

[Jim Norton]

He did, but he died kind of the way you want to die, just alone and home and.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's died. His wife died first, I think.

[Jim Norton]

Yes. We had dementia, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

So I don't even know if he knew she was dead. They said he might have just been wandering. Maybe he just wandered around hungry.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, boy.

[Jim Norton]

I know. Doesn't matter who you are.

[Joe Rogan]

O yeah. When. When your body stops working, it doesn't matter how many people love you. It's over.

[Jim Norton]

Brando was like that. Like, I, I, I, I love. Because he was just so difficult. Like, you got to love a guy who's so good at something that people tolerated.

[Joe Rogan]

He was such a nut. He bought an island and moved there.

[Jim Norton]

Just. He would never acknowledge being a good actor. Like, I was an interview with Connie Chong, and she's like, you're a great actor. And his dog is. There he goes. He's a better actor. He acts like he loves me because he wants to food. What a great. What a. But he meant it like, you knew he wasn't, like, some douchey poser. Like, he was really this guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's why he was so good. But he was also good before anybody was good. He was the first actor that was, like, acting like a real person.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

In movies. Whereas, like, every other actor was like, hey, stay away from my girl.

[Jim Norton]

See, I can't watch old stuff. And look, I'll acknowledge I stink. I know I stink. So I can't judge other people's. I'm not going to Judge James Cagney or fucking Humphrey.

[Joe Rogan]

Cagney's a good example.

[Jim Norton]

But you watch them and you're like, they were so like Victor Mature. Tommy, why don't you cut it out, Tommy?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And then you see Brando. I can't watch the old stuff. It's just theater acting or something.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. He was the first guy that figured out how to be real in a film. And James Dean did it as well. And then a bunch of other people. Now, you know, there's a lot of people that do it, but nobody had figured it out. But again, it goes back to that thing where this was a completely new medium. Right?

[Jim Norton]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It didn't really exist before him. You know, he was like one of the very first movie stars that figured out how to do it correctly. But there weren't a lot of. Wasn't a long history of movie stars. It was a fairly new thing.

[Jim Norton]

Yes. And I've seen footage of his. His screen test for Streetcar Named Desire. And like you, Ms. Stanley walks into the kitchen and he's just talking. And he's talking in a stall. It might have been Stella. And he's just moving and grabbing stuff and you're watching him and you're like, I would never have the confidence in. To. To just touch and.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I want to see that.

[Jim Norton]

Behave.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you find that screen test from Streetcar Named Desire? Is that it right there? Hey, let's listen.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, yeah. Headphones again, Jim. Yes, got it. And this is even different than what I was thinking. The one I think it was in the kitchen. Maybe it's part of the same one here. He's just putting a cigarette out in a bottle.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Hold on. Go. Go back to that. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Action.

[Jim Norton]

The plaster crack.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, you hands.

[Jim Norton]

I cut out the cat in there.

[Joe Rogan]

You can.

[Jim Norton]

Can't hear us.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you can hear me. I told you to hush up.

[Jim Norton]

Got it printed, that's all.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so this is actually real footage though.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. And this is different than the one, but it's. It's interesting to see. These are outtakes.

[Joe Rogan]

Action. You can hear the camera.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. But even the way she's looking at him looks old school compared to what he's doing.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

She's looking at him in a very strange way that doesn't feel. Feel like.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. It doesn't feel real. It feels like she knows she's in a movie.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Good looking guy back then.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, it was a. What a machine. He them all too.

[Joe Rogan]

And then he just. He didn't like the fact that he's good looking.

[Jim Norton]

So he became a blimp, just ate ice cream. How do you not love that guy?

[Joe Rogan]

He got so big during Apocalypse Now. They had a film in the shadows.

[Jim Norton]

And he wouldn't acknowledge that because they were trying to make it. Like Kurt's had gotten fat and like was living the. The life of. And he wouldn't do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Just sat there in the shadows.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. What a nut. But you know, again, it's just there wasn't a lot of people like that. I mean, how do you not go crazy?

[Jim Norton]

He's the only guy. And I can't watch Shakespeare. I mean, I know he was the great. I just can't watch him. And I watched him doing. I think he played Mark Anthony or Julius Caesar. And watching him do Shakespeare, it like you felt like he's really seen saying these, like, you know, I mean, it always feels so British, you know what? Window break. It just doesn't feel connected to the person.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

And I watched him. I'm like, this is like a real guy actually saying this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

So he's the only person I've been to watch do Shakespeare.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There's an art. There's a real art to acting when it's just done badly so often that we hate most actors.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. And it's hard to do. And I. Again, I. There's very few things I give my credit self credit for, but I do give myself credit for recognizing my limitations. Yeah. In that area. It's been easy to recognize when people have pointed it out, but I understand it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also not an area that you really concentrated on, nor were you drawn to it. You're right. So when you're doing it, you're like, how am I doing this? It's like if you get Tom Hanks to do stand up. When he did Punchline, it was fucking terrible.

[Jim Norton]

It was.

[Joe Rogan]

Why? Because he wasn't really doing stand up. You know, he's an actor. But if you wanted to be an actor, if that was your thing, you'd probably be great at it.

[Jim Norton]

Do you know who was. I saw they were shooting some of the. Will Arnett. I think Bradley Cooper just directed a movie at the Comedy Cellar.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that him doing Shakespeare?

[Jamie]

29 years old here.

[Jim Norton]

He's 29.

[Joe Rogan]

He's 29. 53. The noble Brutus Hath told you Caesar was ambitious. If it was so, it was a grievous fault.

[Jim Norton]

And grievously hath Caesar answered it here under leave of Brutus and the rest. For Brutus is an honorable man. So are they all, all honorable men come I to speak in Caesar's funeral. He was my friend, faithful and just to me. But Brutus says he was ambitious.

[Joe Rogan]

And Brutus is an honorable man.

[Jim Norton]

He hath brought many captives home to Rome. Whose ransoms did the general copper spill to distance either seem ambitious. When did the poor have cried? Caesar hath wept. Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. Yet Brutus says he was ambitious. And Brutus is an honorable man. You all did see that on the lupercalae, thrice presented him a kingly crown, which he did thrice refuse. Was this ambition? Yet Brutus as he was ambition is ensure he is an honorable man. I still know what the he's talking about.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I don't know either, but I believe him.

[Jim Norton]

It's powerful.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's locked in.

[Jim Norton]

He's locked in, man. And he's. He's really. He understands what he's saying. Yeah, he understands the words.

[Joe Rogan]

He's right. I've done living the words. It's in his head. He believes it when he's saying it. And that's. That's like the Daniel Day Lewis thing. Like when he's playing that crazy guy and there will be blood.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, he believes it.

[Joe Rogan]

I drank your milk. Like, it's real. Well, when he's in, he's locked in.

[Jim Norton]

Craziest part of that movie is when he's sitting there with the kid and he's petting the boy's head. At one point, it's supposed to be his son.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And I'm like, as an actor, to touch a kid, like, even though you're acting. He was petting this boy. Like, the way you would pet your son. Like. Like, it was like, he's so comfortable and so in this that you really believe this is his son. It was like that was. That stuck out for me, like the level of comfort you need on a set to do that. Because I've been on a set with a kid. There's Everybody's like, make sure you don't curse. And this guy didn't give a. He just picks the kid up and starts petting his head.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's got to be that guy. And, you know, he would be. He's a method guy, so he'd be that guy for months.

[Jim Norton]

Have you met him?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jim Norton]

No, I haven't either. Gary Oldman I like a lot, which is not exactly a stretch. Gary Oldman, I think, is one of the most versatile.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you seen Slow Horses?

[Jim Norton]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a Apple show. It's really Good. What is Spy Show? He plays a spy.

[Jim Norton]

Old man Daniel D. Oldman.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a new show.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, no, it's really good. I haven't watched anything on Apple. Like, I, I, I tried to watch the morning show, but I didn't love it.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you see Severance? Severance is great.

[Jim Norton]

Season one I loved.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Season two, it got a little weird.

[Jim Norton]

It got. It almost got a little weird. Like the way Lost did, where they were doing things to serve the kind of show that they were. But I didn't. I'm like, what does this mean? Like, this is just crazy and weird, but they're just doing it, like, to be again. I watched it and I probably will watch season three, but season one I liked more.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, season one was better. I think there's some shows like that where they. The concept is so out there. It really has, like, a finite amount of time where you're allowed to, like, maintain that.

[Jim Norton]

Yes. And then it just becomes. We have to get to season again.

[Joe Rogan]

Lost. Yeah. Loss is the best example, because first season, it was pretty great.

[Jim Norton]

It was. And the backstorytelling, like, I look at the writing in that, and again, it was tv. They only had a certain amount of leeway they could do. I think their backstory stuff was great. The writing on, you know, John Locke and on, on Kate and all these people.

[Joe Rogan]

These.

[Jim Norton]

The way they would tie in their backstories I thought was brilliant. But then the way they ended, I was like, fuck. You know, everyone complained about it, but I'm like, they missed what they should have done.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, It's a great fucking story. Or a great show, rather. Mobland. Have you seen Mobland on Paramount?

[Jim Norton]

Who is wrecking somebody? It was either co Colin or Bobby was recommending Mobland.

[Joe Rogan]

Great.

[Jim Norton]

Is it?

[Joe Rogan]

It's great. It's a Guy Ritchie show. It's great. Tom Hardy.

[Jim Norton]

Ah, Pierce.

[Joe Rogan]

Pierce Bronson plays the old mobster. He's amazing in it. You know, you think of Pierce Brosnan. You think like a kind of a campy James Bond. Not in this, really. He plays a maniac, like a stone cold maniac. And it's great.

[Jim Norton]

You see footage of Tom Hardy. I just saw footage of him, like, submitting someone. Oh, yeah, he's good. Black belt, right?

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, he's not black.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, he's not.

[Joe Rogan]

I think he might be a purple belt. Is he a purple belt or is he a blue belt? He competes, though.

[Jim Norton]

I know. I just saw footage of him.

[Joe Rogan]

But he's all up now. His neck's up, his knees Are up. Purple belt. Purple belt. He's legit, man. Yeah, he's legit. I've watched him compete. Yeah. I was like, okay. And like Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg's legit. He's real. He gets in tournaments.

[Jim Norton]

He.

[Joe Rogan]

He's very competitive guy. I've seen footage for a guy who's worth $200 billion. It's kind of crazy to enter into a local jewel jiu jitsu match and, you know, risk getting spiked on your head by a plumber. You know, some. Some plumber who's also a blue belt, you know, suplexes you on your skull.

[Jim Norton]

And he recognizes you. And his account just got banned.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been posting qanon memes and then.

[Jim Norton]

He sees you and you think it's destiny.

[Joe Rogan]

And by the way, he wear. He wore a mask up until the time he's about to compete. So they don't know they're going to compete with Zuckerberg until he in there with him, which is really a mind. It's kind of a huge disadvantage to the opponent.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

You're like, what? Because especially if you've never been around a famous person before.

[Jim Norton]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And all of a sudden you have to. And you're also an amateur. Because he's an amateur.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So you're all like, what? You're probably like blown away. Maybe the first time you've ever competed too. And you're competing against Zuckerberg.

[Jim Norton]

But he's. He's. I think he's a blue belt too, right?

[Joe Rogan]

I believe so.

[Jim Norton]

And let's.

[Joe Rogan]

What belt is Zuckerberg? Zuckerberg brings in legit people, though. Like, he trains with very, very legit.

[Jim Norton]

Volkanovsky. I know was training with him. I know he's around Alex.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Pereira. Yeah. He brings in like, Dave Camarillo, who's a top level Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt. He brings him. Him.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He's legit, man.

[Jim Norton]

He blew his knee too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. Tore his acl. He wound up getting. I tried to talk him out of the type of surgery that he got. He got the difficulty difficult surgery, which is a patella tendon graft. I've had both my ACLs reconstructed and my left one was a patella tendon graft. My right one was a cadaver. And the cadaver was so much easier to recover from. And I told him, I'm like, dude, get the cadaver, trust me. And his doctor wanted to do the patella tendon. He wound up doing that. It's a long Rehab with the patella tendon. But you know, the fact that he blew his knee apart and still kept training is pretty impressive as well.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, and I'm in that place too, like where I have inflammation. I'm just trying to get healthy. Like I've been seeing some guys. I don't know if I need surgery, But I'm getting MRIs, getting insurance to approve MRIs. The fucking nightmare. But I want to get my ankle, my hip, my knee, I'm all fucked up.

[Joe Rogan]

What's wrong?

[Jim Norton]

I've been fucked up for years. I've had like my leg goes numb. My right leg was going numb in my thigh.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you ever get your back looked at?

[Jim Norton]

I did. I have to again. I'm trying to get approval for the MRI for that, but I twisted my ankle very badly a few times.

[Joe Rogan]

How long are you in town for?

[Jim Norton]

I'm supposed to go home tomorrow.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. What time tomorrow? When's your flight?

[Jim Norton]

First thing. First flight.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I might be able to get you into ways to. Well, this afternoon. Ways to. Well is the local stem cell clinic. They'll. They'll shoot your. Shoot you up with stem cells. That'll help everything, man.

[Jim Norton]

Does it help?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, tremendously, tremendously.

[Jim Norton]

Where do they shoot them?

[Joe Rogan]

Tremendously. Right into the injury.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I got back, I got, I'm a it, but I, but I feel better now. I've been doing these stretches like the guy that my, my physical therapist recommended and I'm going to someone who's. He gave me some anti inflammatory pills for a week and I feel a tremendous difference.

[Joe Rogan]

Be careful with those.

[Jim Norton]

What do they do?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it depends on what you're taking. If you're taking a non steroidal anti inflammatory, they're terrible for your gut, your gut biome. It destroys your gut biome.

[Jim Norton]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

It could be really bad. It can actually make inflammation. Like my friend Cam Haynes, he was taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen every day. And I talked to him about it. I go, what you're doing what? And then I sent him some stuff that Rhonda Patrick had put out about it. I'm like, dude, get off of that. He got off of it. All of his pain went away. The inflammation was being caused by the fact that he was taking so much ibuprofen it was ruining his gut biome. So it was creating inflammation. So to combat that inflammation, he was taking ibuprofen and he thought the only way he was going to be able to run the miles that he was running was to concentrate Chew on ibuprofen. So he got off of it entirely. All the pain went away. Totally counterintuitive.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. I've only been on these. He said one week is all. He goes, I don't want you to take.

[Joe Rogan]

What is it?

[Jim Norton]

What do you. I don't remember. But he goes, I just want to see if it. He's trying to see, like, how severe the injuries. I want to see if this does help at all. But he goes, take him. He gave them to me for a month because don't take them for more than a week. So I like the fact that he's showing restraint.

[Joe Rogan]

He's like, well, the thing is, doctors have a limited amount of tools. If you want to prescribe medication to somebody, you know, whatever the. You know, whatever the common practice is, is what that doctor has to adhere to, they can't step out of line. And the reality is a lot of that stuff has side effects, but there's natural ways that you could deal with inflammation, like curcumin, turmeric. There's a lot of different. You know, that stuff that helps a lot, that's legit, and it's not bad for you. But a lot of inflammation comes from. From diet. A lot of it. A big factor. Like, I remember I talked to this lady who was a physical therapist, and I had a neck issue, and she was like, you'd kind of be amazed if you cut out all the inflammatory foods of your diet, how much it would affect it. I'm like, really? She's like, yeah. I mean, you probably do have a neck injury, but I guarantee it's exacerbated by the foods you're eating. She said, cut out bread, cut out sugar, and see if it has an effect.

[Jim Norton]

You know, I've tried to, because I fattened up, and I know it. Like, I put weight on. And again, for me, it was a dopamine thing. I'm not doing the things I used to do.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. So you need something to do that. Just, like, give me a sandwich, something. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

You know, what am I gonna do on the road? I'll have a pretzel.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jim Norton]

That's my bane of my existence, a pretzel. Like, it really is. It's not like I'm eating pizza. I'm not eating cake.

[Joe Rogan]

All that is terrible.

[Jim Norton]

Sourdough, pretzels, all that.

[Joe Rogan]

So our bread is. And our bread is. So if you go, and I'm sure you've been overseas, you go. Go eat bread in Italy, you don't feel bad at all?

[Jim Norton]

No. You're not. It's not as bad.

[Joe Rogan]

We're poisoner. I'll play this thing because Brian Simpson sent me this and it's very good. Hold on, let me see. Show you right here. But it's all about bread. Brian Simpson sent me this and he's like, I think I'm done with bread. And I was like, oh my God. Like, this is kind of crazy.

[Jim Norton]

Do I need my glasses?

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no. I'll put it up on the screen. I'm gonna find it though, because he sent it to me. Here it is. Copy to change. Here it is. It won't matter if there's World War iii, but if there's not World War iii, probably stay away from bread. American bread. You mean eat sourdough bread? Sourdough bread is great for you, but play this from the beginning so we could. This guy's gonna explain what's wrong with American bread. Explain to me why I can eat.

[Jim Norton]

Bread in Spain and in.

[Joe Rogan]

I can in Greece, Italy, no problem.

[Jim Norton]

Why I was gluten free.

[Joe Rogan]

In 15 years I've been gluten free in Canada. America can't eat it.

[Jim Norton]

That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain. About 200 each years ago, we started stripping the bran and germ or the fiber in nutrients to make flower shelf stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize. Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas. The bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which is banned in several countries like Europe, the UK and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fog, tired, and blamed gluten. But gluten is just the scapegoat. The real issue is ultra processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin filled wheat soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is.

[Joe Rogan]

Who. Who is that dude? What's his name? Danny Dur. Click on. Click on his. So we could give that guy some props. Dennis Echelberger. Echo bar, Echo Barger. Danny Denny. D N N Y underscore D U R e on Twitter and Instagram.

[Jim Norton]

Do you know, I will never, as I'm watching him do that, I will never be able to do anything into camera as well as he just described how shitty bread is. Like I was watching him doing like he's getting all the words proper and he's, he's giving the information. He's not blinking, he's not twitch.

[Joe Rogan]

He's just not annoying.

[Jim Norton]

He's not annoying. Yeah, he's just giving it to you. Perfect delivery.

[Joe Rogan]

But that should be something that everybody should see. When I know that when I cut that stuff out of my diet, it makes a giant difference. Also I should say Joe derosa who has this amazing sub shop in New York and he's going to open up one out here in Austin.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Joey Roses. Fantastic sub shop. Their wheat is all flown from Italy. It's all like natural wheat. And so their bread doesn't fly with you and they, they make it fresh every day and they throw it out at the end of the day. You never have day old bread. It's always fresh and they bake it there. So it's like when he's getting bread for his sandwiches, it's the kind of bread that you get in Europe.

[Jim Norton]

Do you know, I think I, I have to think you're right because there was one time we had deros on the show. It was in the morning show and he didn't bring us any sandwiches. I'm like, wait, where's the fucking sandwiches, Joe? How about a sandwich?

[Joe Rogan]

He couldn't.

[Jim Norton]

He, that's what he said.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And I was like, fuck him. Because then he did chip and he brought in sandwiches. But we taped in the afternoon. Yeah. And I'm like, he was telling the truth.

[Joe Rogan]

Truth.

[Jim Norton]

Was telling the truth about his bread.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. When they, they had a pop up out here at south by Southwest and he brought over sandwiches. They're fantastic.

[Jim Norton]

They are very good. Unbelievably good.

[Joe Rogan]

That is my number one. My, if I have a vice, it is Italian food. My, my big vice is sandwich. Italian sandwiches, Italian subs, pasta, lasagna. That, that stuff gets me. I fucking love it. But you have to get it from a place that's using like air and you can find places. There's a lot of great restaurants in New York. There's great restaurants in LA that use heirloom wheat and you'll eat their pasta and you don't feel bad. Most of the bread that you're getting in America is like what that guy described. And that's why you feel like shit when you eat it.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I feel like shit most. Most of the time when I'm especially, like, just always tired. I finally got. Whatever. It's the apnea. It's a fucking, you know, an old man complaining. I just. I just. I can't breathe when I sleep. It sucks.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you tried a carnivore diet? You ever tried that?

[Jim Norton]

No. And again, I know that my fear of eating too much meat is probably unfounded, but I know I've done whole 30, which actually I should.

[Joe Rogan]

What's your fear? What's the fear?

[Jim Norton]

Just that it, like. Does cancer feed on meat?

[Joe Rogan]

No, Like.

[Jim Norton]

Like that's what I was always afraid of. No.

[Joe Rogan]

Cancer feeds on sugar.

[Jim Norton]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's the. Really, the. The number one thing that cancer oncologists will tell you if they're trying to adjust your diet. Some don't, and it's very infuriating. I've had family members that have cancer and their doctor tells them, you're going to go through chemotherapy. Eat whatever you want. I'm like, oh, my God, don't eat whatever you want. Like, part of what is wrong with you is your diet. It's a giant part of your overall metabolic health. But a lot of oncologists now will try to get people on a ketogenic diet because it gets your body to burn fat instead of burning sugar. Sugar, and then it starves the cancer. They're also. They'll try to get you to do some. Some fasting, like intermittent fasting. Like, have a window of feeding where you fast for 16 hours and then eat for eight. Or you can only eat during eight.

[Jim Norton]

The keto diet. I never did it, but this is what a delusional idiot I am. When I was in Montreal during the pandemic, I joined Costco, and I would go and eat keto chicken chocolates. And I somehow convinced myself that I was like, oh, it's keto. But I wasn't doing the rest of the fucking diet. But they have some actually good shit you can eat if you're on the keto diet. I guess you're doing it right. But I would go there and buy all these delicious, like, keto chocolate clusters. So, yeah, that one. I heard it gives you bad breath, keto. That was what I've heard again. I just. I don't remember where I heard it, but they were like, there's something about ketosis. Fucks your breath up.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet it Does. Yeah, I bet it does, but just brush your fucking teeth and have a mint.

[Jim Norton]

Well, is it coming from the gut, though?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it probably is. Probably ketones. Ketones smell terrible. Have you ever taken exogenous ketones?

[Jim Norton]

I've never even. I've heard of ketones. What's an exogenous ketone?

[Joe Rogan]

You can take exogenous ketones. It's ketones that you drink, and it puts your body into an instant state of ketosis where your body instantly starts to burn fat and actually is really good mentally. I take exogenous ketones sometimes when I have to perform where I have to do something. So I've taken them before. UFCs, too. UFCs are like the big mindful for me, because it's six hours of thinking.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And I have to think about previous fights. I have to, like, predict techniques. I have to see what's going on, and then we're gonna. When it goes to the ground, it's kind of like my job is to explain particular submissions when it goes to the ground, especially in the early days before I did it with dc, because I was, you know, the only. Like, when it was me and Goldberg. Goldberg's not really a martial artist, so it was just me. So I would have to go, like, explain why someone's in trouble and what's going to happen to someone who's doesn't understand, like a triangle or something like that when someone goes to the ground and you need brain fuel. And so ketones help a lot. Another thing is, like, I eat these gum. These are gummies now. Alpha brain gummies. But I always take some type of nootropic neuro gum, or there's neuro gum, has mints, too. I'll take these mints. Like, if you see me at the ufc, I. I'll have those. I take these little nicotine pouches. Anything.

[Jim Norton]

Pins. Are they. What's. What are they called? There's a word for those. Little nicotine.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, pouches.

[Jim Norton]

Zen. That's what I'm thinking of.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. These are different. These are from a company called Lucy. These are called Breakers.

[Jim Norton]

Are those. Those have THC in them?

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no, no. It's just nicotine. This is all just nicotine.

[Jim Norton]

I mean, those. The.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, the gummies are just nootropics. Nootropics are like theanine. There's like, a little bit of caffeine in these, and they. Like. One of the things we did with Onnit, we made this thing called alpha brain, which was. There's a bunch of different nootropics out there and a bunch of like acetylcholine, a bunch of different things that have shown to have an effect on your memory. And so we put together a group of these that would all work synergistic. And then we did two double blind placebo controlled trials at Boston center for Memory. And it showed efficacy. It showed that it helped increase verbal memory, which is like your ability to form sentences and recall the word, the correct words to use reaction time, alpha state. And so it's like, it does work. And it's not just on it. Because I'm connected to it. Like I have no connection at all to Neurogum or Neuromints, but it works, works. And I tell people about it. There's another company called True Brain that's really good. There's another company called Neuro1 that was the first one that I ever tried. That's a. That's Bill Romanowski, the football player.

[Jim Norton]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He developed that because he was on memory problems after getting hit in the head for all those years playing football, didn't I?

[Jim Norton]

As far as I've ever gone. What was that pill you. It's not echinacea. There was one pill you were taking that was supposed to be good for memory. It was like one of those things you get on the shelf on the vitamin store. And I don't remember what it was, but I used to take that, but I didn't see any.

[Joe Rogan]

I was taking it.

[Jim Norton]

No, me, I did collective. You? Yeah. People would take.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. But there's a bunch of those things. They're real, like nootropics. It's a real thing. And a lot of people call it snake oil. And I understand, I understand that you'd be very suspicious, but there's a. The reality. And this is one of the reasons why, you know, like, I have a connection obviously to. On it. We founded the company together, but I don't have any, Any connection to Neural Brain or Neuro One. Take them. They work. There's real legitimate solutions that help your brain function. And they don't seem to carry any side effects. Some people, if they take high doses of. Some of them, get headaches. I think that's probably just like. Some people react very badly to caffeine. Some people re. You know, it's like everybody has their own different biological stuff. But try it. And the gum is a great one. Neurogum is great. Great because it's a delicious gum. It tastes good and it really works, man. I Take it all the time.

[Jim Norton]

It helps your brain a little bit.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I take it before I go on stage. I chew Neurogum before I go on stage. It's very legit.

[Jim Norton]

Do you know what I wanted to take?

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie's got a big bag of it right there. And again, we're not connected to them.

[Jim Norton]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

This is just, this is just stuff that works.

[Jim Norton]

I wanted to take because flying became such a. Again, a fear for me again, like in this phase of my life, I don't need that. So I talked to Whitney and she had talked about being beta blockers. I didn't take them, but I got. I, I like. Do they help at all to like. But I have a low heartbeat anyway, so I don't know if it's going to me up to take a beta.

[Joe Rogan]

Blocker, but beta blockers stop you from getting anxious. They stop adrenaline. They st. A lot of people, they get busted using them and like archery competitions a lot. They, they ban them.

[Jim Norton]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Because, you know, like, you're like in the Olympics and you're just trying to hit that bullseye every time. Like any kind of nerves or jitters is going to fall with you. But, you know, the problem is it's going to be something that you get, you get addicted to or you maybe not even physically addicted, but you, you know, you become dependent.

[Jim Norton]

That's what I don't want. And I think I've asked. They said they weren't. But for flying, it's. It's something I like, I literally have to fight to do. Yeah, yeah, I'm getting a little bit better, but anxiety, dude, I'm a, I'm a grown up. I have to sit by the window and look at the wing and I'm really hateable on a plane. Fucking six in the morning, everybody's trying to stop sleep and I get my fucking fat face pressed up against the window staring like I'm ate. So I'm trying to get out of that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there are things. You know what's another thing that's really good for your cognitive function that a lot of people aren't aware of is creatine. And creatine is really good, particularly if you are sleep deprived. Like, there's a study that they did that showed that if you take, I think it's 20 milligrams of creatine, it has a really positive effect on your ability to maintain normal cognitive function while you're sleep deprived.

[Jim Norton]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So it's very good for women. Creatine is especially good supplement for women to take for some strange reason, but it' syou know, it's a muscle building supplement. It's like really good for helping you gain muscle mass and strength. If you were weight training, that was what it was initially used for, but now they're realizing there's a lot of cognitive benefits as well.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I don't take any of that stuff and I probably should at this point.

[Joe Rogan]

Creatine.

[Jim Norton]

Every day I take nothing other than just my, like my, the little thing from my heart. And you know.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't take vitamins?

[Jim Norton]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh God.

[Jim Norton]

I know. I probably should take everything. I take B. I do take B and I take one other one.

[Joe Rogan]

You should take D for sure. You live in New York City, you know, you're probably not getting enough sun.

[Jim Norton]

No, definitely.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. D is huge because D is hormone. D is actually a hormone and it's a hormone that your body produces when you get into the sun. The best way to get vitamin D for sure is to be in the sun. But if you're not in the sun enough. One of my friends who's a doctor was in New York City when he was doing his residency and he said they would do tests on people in New York City and they found that they had undetectable levels of vitamin D in the winter. And he was like, you know, this has a huge effect on your immune system. System. This is the reason why people get like everyone's, oh, it's flu season. No, it's lack of vitamin D season is what it is. The flu doesn't thrive in the winter. The flu exists in the winter because people have a low immune system in the winter and then they start catching it and giving it to other people. But it's really a function of your immune system not working properly. So you need D and you should take D with K2. Vitamin K2 and magnesium. They all work synergistic.

[Jim Norton]

I'll remember, like, Harlow, I will text you and ask you the same question, like one of those things.

[Joe Rogan]

Because I'll text me, I'll tell you, but you should take that. But you should also take B. You should take B12. You should take C. C is huge. You can't take enough of it or you can't take too much. C is great. I could take liposomal C. It's really good for you.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. See how as you get older, man, you start thinking like, eh, these things are starting to affect me now a little bit. Not terrible. I'm still in pretty cool good health. But you start to panic and start to Think.

[Joe Rogan]

How old are you now?

[Jim Norton]

56.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm 57. I'm almost 58. And my body works great. And it's really because of that. It's just as a huge effect. I don't skip days and when I do, I feel it, you know, but I try not to. And I have a whole cabinet filled with supplements that I take. You know, I take a lot of vitamins.

[Jim Norton]

My buddies never work great though, so it's not like I don't see any real drop off.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's the problem. You know, if you're working out and you're doing all these different things and you want your body to function better, just force yourself to do it. Get your wife to like make you little packets. It's real simple, you know, just lay all the stuff. I need two of these, three of these, one of those. Put it all in a package. This is methyl folate. Put that in there. This is. And all that stuff has a giant effect on your health. It is. You wanna. You want your body to function optimally.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And when I noticed the difference is when I eat poorly, when I don't get enough sleep, and when I don't take supplements, I get that. I quit drinking like three months ago. A little more than. A little more than three months.

[Jim Norton]

Like nothing. You're not drinking?

[Joe Rogan]

I haven't drank anything in three months. I feel great.

[Jim Norton]

Was it hard?

[Joe Rogan]

No, it was super easy. Yeah, it was really easy.

[Jim Norton]

You were ready.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it was like. I just. There was too many days where it's kind of hard when you own a club and you're there a lot and you know, you're having drinks with friends and they're like, you want to drink? Yeah, I'll have a drink. And then the next day I'd be at the gym. I'm like feel like, yeah, I'd be drinking all this water and taking all these electrolytes and getting a sauna on the cold plunge. Just trying to get back to normal.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm like, why am I doing that? Well, in the three months of no drinking, I have not had one bad day. I have not had one day where I felt like. And it just confirmed what I thought I was poisoning myself. Poisoning myself with fun. I was having a good time.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I was.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it wasn't terrible. I wasn't an alcoholic. I wasn't drinking and driving or anything stupid. But it was a couple of drinks. A few nights a week, maybe I'd go out my wife on date night, have a couple glasses of Wine. It was just at the end of the week, it's like you're drinking eight drinks and that's just not good. It's just not good for you.

[Jim Norton]

I can't imagine drinking and doing comedy. Like I again, I quit before I started. I see guys who are like, I. I can't. I was not a fun drunk at all. I was a crier. I was the worst. No one liked me.

[Joe Rogan]

Piece of.

[Jim Norton]

So I, I was.

[Joe Rogan]

You're like 19.

[Jim Norton]

18. I was 18. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You're not even supposed to be drinking back.

[Jim Norton]

I know. And people are like crazy. It's. Oh, he was too young. He's thinking. But it's like I now Jimmy did. People would love. But they wouldn't like, like me. I was a cutter. I mean, who the. A 56 year old cutter. I mean, how awful is that?

[Joe Rogan]

That's awful.

[Jim Norton]

So I was. It's the best thing I did because I. I was. I was not a fun guy to be around. Some guys are fun. Like some. Yeah. When Anthony drinks, he's, you know. At times I wish his Twitter fingers were broken, but I wish we'd lock his phone. But he is a funny. Like he's not an. Usually an angry drunk.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. It's functional.

[Jim Norton]

He's a functional guy. I was never functional. I was vomit. I was the phone. I should call the FBI. I, you know, I used to call bomb threats into my high school. I was crazy. Oh boy. I called. I can say it now. I mean, I called, let's say a threat into the White House. But I was third. I was 13. I was 13 and so crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

What a crazy thing to do.

[Jim Norton]

The Ku Klux Klan. I called the fucking. Because I was like little lib Jimmy. And I read that there was a Klan book I read and the guy was like a preacher.

[Joe Rogan]

The for.

[Jim Norton]

For the Ku Klux Klan. So I called him. I looked his number up on 411 back then it was in the early 80s.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jim Norton]

And I got his name and I called him. I was, are you racist? And he actually talked to me and he was like, no, I got out of the clan. I'm not in that anymore. We actually had a con. He actually engaged me for about 20 minutes. I had a conversation with it with some clan.

[Joe Rogan]

When you were a kid.

[Jim Norton]

I was 14 years old. 15 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jim Norton]

Mid eight again. That's. I remember calling for information. I forget what for him.

[Joe Rogan]

For doing that?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, for getting out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, getting out and talking to you about that on the phone. He didn't have to Talk to you about that. He could have just hung up.

[Jim Norton]

I'm surprised because many people did. Many. I was a. I was a fix the world on the phone. Thank God. I did a.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you know who Daryl Davis is?

[Jim Norton]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Daryl Davis. This guy's been on the podcast a couple times and he's a blues musician.

[Jim Norton]

Is he black?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's the guy that. That would convert clan members.

[Jim Norton]

I know he is. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And he gets their costumes. They give him their wizard costumes at the end.

[Jim Norton]

He's just. Because he's probably a guy who's not. And I have seen stuff by him. He probably is just a good guy. And it's hard to dismiss him because he's not force feeding you.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Jim Norton]

It's hard to dismiss anybody when you're just. When you're not. No one wants to be messaged at.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, Right, right, right.

[Jim Norton]

I don't. I can't in. Stand up. I can't even do it. Like, my job is not to. To convert people. I want you to know what my life is. I hope you have some respect for it. Like, I'm just living the way I want to live and I'm not out to tell other people they have to feel this way.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

Because no one wants to be messaged at.

[Joe Rogan]

Nobody. It doesn't work. It's not effective.

[Jim Norton]

It's. If it was effective, I'd probably.

[Joe Rogan]

What's effective is what Daryl does. He just shows you like, this is a good man. I must be wrong if I think that all black people are evil.

[Jim Norton]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Those guys, like, become a good friend. You have more for dinner. Center. And then the guy's like, I'm telling you right now, I'm getting out of the clan because of you. And he did it to like 200 different people on a one on one.

[Jim Norton]

Basis where he gets to know them and getting beyond. It's like we talked about before. Like, anytime somebody is an publicly. But when you meet them and you realize, oh, there's a person here, like.

[Joe Rogan]

It'S the way people are supposed to communicate. And this is what I think is so terrible about social media, is that too many people are just become so accustomed to barking at people. Just barking out into the abyss.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. I have to stop myself from doing it. There's been times people have tweeted something and I want to make like a cunty remark, and I'm like, shut up, dummy. They're not talking to you.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Jim Norton]

Mind your business. I really do say that to myself. Mind your business. You hen.

[Joe Rogan]

You know When I see people do it, I think that guy's mentally ill. Like, you're engaging with these people. You're yelling at these people on Twitter. You're mentally ill. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Like, I don't care what other people. Like, I care. People think about me in the sense that I want them to think I'm funny and I want them to. Of course people want to be liked, but I don't care what people's opinions on the Middle East. I don't give a shit.

[Joe Rogan]

I got to change their opinions and.

[Jim Norton]

I don't need them to agree with mine. Like, I have enough confidence in my own brain.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

That I am not always right, but I'm always comfortable in my opinions and I'm not afraid of somebody. I'm okay being wrong, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

Like, I don't need. I don't. I don't need the power of agreement from somebody.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just good for you.

[Jim Norton]

But it's only because I've tried it my life, and it hasn't worked.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

It doesn't make you happy when you get it.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jim Norton]

It only makes you angry.

[Joe Rogan]

It doesn't work. It's not. It's a terrible way to communicate.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Jimmy, I love you to death.

[Jim Norton]

I love you too, Joe. Thank you, buddy.

[Joe Rogan]

It was great to see you.

[Jim Norton]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Rogan]

And can I tell everybody.

[Jim Norton]

Yes. The special is called Unconceivable. I kept forgetting the name. And it's not a misspelling. Unconceivable is actually a word in the English language and it does kind of fit. And the podcast is Jim Norton can't save. You both are on at Jim NORTON Comedy at YouTube. YouTube. And I'm really happy with this special. Like, nice. I would say that. Anyway, I'm not gonna come up here and on my own special. I'm not that self destructive. But I actually really was happy with this.

[Joe Rogan]

Beautiful.

[Jim Norton]

So I hope you like it.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, thanks, pal. Bye, everybody.