#2349 - Danny Jones

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Joe Rogan Experience #2349 – Danny Jones

Release Date: July 15, 2025

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1. Introduction to Danny Jones and Mutual Support

Joe Rogan welcomes Danny Jones, expressing gratitude for Danny's support in promoting his YouTube channel. They discuss the synergy between their shows, mentioning mutual guests like Christopher Dunn and Mary Bowden.

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2. Mysteries of the Pyramids and Advanced Technologies

Time Stamp: [00:53]

Joe Rogan delves into the recent discoveries beneath the Great Pyramid of Giza, highlighting satellite images revealing hidden tombs:

"There's something going on for sure."
— Joe Rogan [01:32]

Danny Jones shares insights from his show, referencing discussions about subterranean chambers and advanced technologies, such as a "solid state electron harvester" proposed by Dunn.

They speculate on the purpose of these structures, pondering whether they serve as energy conductors or contain unknown mechanisms:

"It's kind of kooky."
— Joe Rogan [04:18]

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3. Operation Paperclip and Nazi Scientists in America

Time Stamp: [12:09]

The conversation shifts to historical conspiracies, particularly Operation Paperclip, where Nazi scientists were recruited by the U.S. government post-WWII. They discuss the ethical dilemmas and the influence these scientists had on American advancements:

"Imagine guys up for a Nobel Prize at the same time where he's wanted for war crimes."
— Joe Rogan [12:10]

Joe Rogan recounts the tragic story of Fritz Haber, a Nobel laureate coerced into aiding Nazi Germany, illustrating the moral complexities of the era.

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4. Moon Landing Hoax Theories

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Rogan and Jones explore the controversial idea that the moon landings were faked, possibly with the help of filmmaker Stanley Kubrick:

"He could fake it."
— Joe Rogan [18:00]

They critique inconsistencies in NASA's footage and public statements, questioning the authenticity of the moon landings.

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5. Jeffrey Epstein and Government Cover-Ups

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The discussion turns to Jeffrey Epstein, highlighting alleged governmental connections and the suppression of incriminating evidence:

"It's crazy that we're just like it."
— Joe Rogan [22:05]

They debate the implications of Epstein's relationships with high-profile individuals and the potential existence of undisclosed videos that could expose widespread corruption.

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6. The Impact of Social Media and AI on Mental Health

Time Stamp: [80:17]

Rogan and Jones analyze studies on social media's detrimental effects on mental health, referencing research from Columbia and Stanford:

"A large percentage of our society is addicted to it."
— Joe Rogan [81:17]

They discuss emerging technologies like the "daylight computer," designed to mitigate the negative impacts of digital devices by reducing blue light and encouraging healthier habits.

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7. The Future Integration of AI and Human Consciousness

Time Stamp: [91:55]

The conversation anticipates a future where AI and human consciousness merge, potentially leading to a symbiotic relationship or even the creation of a "God-like" superintelligence:

"We're gonna realize that the only way for us to survive is to integrate with artificial intelligence."
— Joe Rogan [91:55]

They ponder the ethical and existential implications of such integration, considering both the potential benefits and risks.

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8. Ancient Civilizations and Technological Anomalies

Time Stamp: [110:08]

Rogan and Jones delve into theories about advanced ancient civilizations and unexplained archaeological findings, referencing Gobekli Tepe and the James Webb Space Telescope's discoveries:

"If they had advanced technology, how did they achieve these structures?" — Danny Jones [111:09]

They speculate on the existence of breakaway civilizations or undiscovered technologies that challenge conventional historical narratives.

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9. Personal Stories and Reflections

Time Stamp: [193:10]

Towards the end, Danny Jones shares his journey into podcasting, recounting experiences from his early career in advertising and filmmaking. He highlights the creation of his show "Deckhands," which focuses on the lives of fishermen grappling with addiction and economic pressures.

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10. Concluding Thoughts

Time Stamp: [194:02]

Joe Rogan and Danny Jones wrap up the episode by reinforcing the importance of open dialogue and critical thinking in uncovering hidden truths. They express mutual appreciation for each other's work and hint at future collaborations.

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Notable Quotes:

• "Once they found these structures, it's kind of validating a lot of the things these people are saying."
  — Joe Rogan [01:53]

• "These adults over 35 saw the most substantial benefit from leaving Facebook, whereas young women under 25 experienced the most emotional uplift from an Instagram break."
  — Danny Jones [80:46]

• "Christopher Dunn is an engineer, he's not a moron. He knows what he's talking about."
  — Danny Jones [105:52]

• "We know today that our versions of history are deeply biased."
  — Joe Rogan [157:10]

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Conclusion

Episode #2349 of The Joe Rogan Experience with Danny Jones offers a deep dive into various conspiracy theories, historical anomalies, and the evolving relationship between technology and human cognition. Through engaging dialogue enriched with expert insights and personal anecdotes, Rogan and Jones invite listeners to question established narratives and explore the mysteries that lie beneath the surface of accepted truths.

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Note: Timestamps correspond to the provided transcript and are approximate.

Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

[Danny Jones]

Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. It's so weird to be sitting here, bro. Is it so strange? I feel like I've. I've been of, like, a video game observer, and now I'm like, in the video game.

[Joe Rogan]

Are we on? Well, you kind of are. I mean, it's weird. It's weird for me, you know?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. Well, thanks. Thank you for being, like, the number one promoter of my YouTube channel over the past couple weeks, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

My pleasure. It's great stuff, man. I watch it all the time. You're really good. You got great shows, man.

[Danny Jones]

I appreciate that.

[Joe Rogan]

And I get good guests from your show. Like, there's a couple people that have been on your show that I've had on my show.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah. Chris Dunn was the first dude, I think. And then you recently had Mary Bowden. There's been a few others.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. Christopher Dunn, man, that was a wild one. And now that they found these structures underneath the pyramid, it's kind of validating a lot of the things these people are saying. You know, there's a lot of controversy about what those structures are and what it means and how accurate the readings are. But they do know that those satellite images were able to show very accurately this one tomb that was 50ft underground, and it showed the dimensions of this one tomb. So I don't know what the capabilities are, if it really can decipher what's under two kilometers of, you know, whatever is underneath Giza, but there's something going on for sure.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. I had a dude on my show a couple weeks ago who was explaining how that was a part of some YouTube channel that put something together in Italy, I think it was, and the people that were involved with it were promoting some sort of technology that had something to do with penetrating the ground. Some, like, different kind of lidar or something like this.

[Joe Rogan]

It's called. What is it called? Something. Tomography.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Jimmy. See what it's called. But these guys just did another explanation of it, like another deep dive where they did, like, this presentation and showed it. It's very convincing. Like, there's a lot of people that are 100 on board. I mean, it remains to be seen. It has to be vetted. But according to, you know, some people that I trust that really understand the technology, they said there's absolutely something there. You know, whether or not the problem is they made those 3D detailed images of what it looked like, like sort of an artist Re condition. And you looked at those and it's got like the coils and the spirals, like.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, it looks a little too much.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what that is. But you could see there are coils around those columns. But what are they? Are they stairs? Is it like a coil that generates like an energy coil, like something that conducts electricity or carries electricity? Like what is it?

[Danny Jones]

It's a solid state electron harvester.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that what they say?

[Danny Jones]

That's what Chris Dunn says. Oh, I don't know. I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

We talked to him about what's underneath.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, he thinks that it was, he thinks that the whole thing. His new book, which is called the Tesla Connection, basically explains that it's a. He thinks that there was like a, a device in the subterranean chamber, like a hammer that hammered the earth and then the plane.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Danny Jones]

The Giza plateau is like is active size, seismically active area. And when it hammers the earth, it creates mini earthquakes. You're familiar with this, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Danny Jones]

And it, and it vibrates.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

All the limestone, all the limestone and.

[Joe Rogan]

It'S got like this hammer, this effect, like Dom. Dom. Creates some sort of a vibration in the granite and the limestone.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. To overcome this, author has analyzed micro movements within the pyramid, typically induced by background seismic waves to achieve high resolution full 3D tomographic images of its interior, Imaging of its interior and subsurface. The approach rendered the pyramid transparent, allowing for the reconstruction of internal objects and the discovery of previously unseen structures. So if it's got an act, if it works and shows the actual internal structure of the pyramid accurately, and it can accurately depict that one, the one. Was it a temple or what was it? That was. I feel as, I feel like it was a temple. It was 50ft underground. It had the exact interior dimensions of it. Yeah, I mean there's probably something to it and we're going to find out eventually. Hopefully.

[Danny Jones]

You think?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know, man. These guys like, like, guys like Zawi Hawass and these, these gatekeepers of this information, they do not want any groundbreaking new discovery to come out. They really don't. Especially something like that. If you really find out there's there's giant columns underneath the pyramid and that there's these structures that go down two kilometers into the ground, like all bets are off then like, try explaining that away for people that live 2,500 BC. Like that's kind of kooky.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, I mean, you know, the, the mystery of the pyramids and you know, moving those blocks and Building that thing that long ago is crazy on one hand. But then on the other hand, those granite vases.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Jones]

That are so precise within, like, the deviation of a human hair.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. This is a 3D print of one of them that Christopher Dunn gave me.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. It's insane. It's insane. They measured these on light scanners at, like, a huge aerospace corporation somewhere, and they found out, like, it's so symmetrical. You couldn't make this unless you had a CNC machine.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. And then how would you make the handles?

[Danny Jones]

Right, exactly, because it's a part of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. It's not like you can even turn it on a lathe.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's accurate. Like, how many thousandths of a human hair?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, I think it's like. Yeah, I think it's like 1.1,000th of a human hair. Like completely undetectable bananas.

[Joe Rogan]

And then there's also some of those sculptures that they made that look like they're 3D printed. I mean, they're incredible. Perfectly symmetrical on the left side and the right side. And we don't really understand it, and we don't know what technology they were using, what kind of tools they were using. It's. And it's hard to know, man. It's. It's. It's hard to know, like, without, you know, when they burned the library of Alexandria and they destroyed all the records, like, there's so much missing from the history of. Of Egypt and how they did what they did, just moving the stuff. How did you move it? How did you move those enormous stones? Like, what did you do?

[Danny Jones]

Have you heard of this dude named Jeffrey Drum? He has a channel called the Land of Chem.

[Joe Rogan]

He live.

[Danny Jones]

He lives in Egypt. He lives, like, I think right across the street from the pyramids. And he's basically got this very interesting theory that it was all chemical manufacturing and the pyramids were chemical manufacturing plants. And I am going to, like, butcher this description, but I'm going to do my best. Basically, what he found was that in a bunch of the other pyramids, like the Red Pyramid and some of the other pyramids, he's been in there and gone through them all, and. And he's basically what they describe when they go in there is this smell, which some people equate to being like bat shit. But what he thinks is going on is. Is creating some sort of, like, a chemical reaction in those chambers to create fertilizer. Because there's a subterranean chamber below those where they have, like, all kinds of. They were putting shit in there. Like animal shit down there. And then there's also these like ravines, these like cut out channels that, that come out of the bottom of the pyramid and there's these bowls that were supposed to collect like chemicals. So he has this really elaborate theory on how, which I, when I heard him tell me this, it made so much sense. But the problem is like, it makes sense, it seems super reasonable. But like why build these massive structures that are so precise just to make chemicals? And, and you know, he was explaining like the agriculture and like why they needed to create fertilizer and why they.

[Joe Rogan]

Need a massive stone structure.

[Danny Jones]

Exactly. Fertilizer. Right, exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't it possible that things also had one? They, they like they built them and then someone used them later on for different purposes. Isn't that possible as well? I think like instead of it being built for that, like maybe they just used it for that eventually.

[Danny Jones]

That's possible. Yeah. But it seems like the way he was describing the interior though of that of the Red pyramid was like he, it was reverse engineered to actually create the chemical that they, they would have needed to enhance the agriculture of the area. Like they showed it, they actually created it in a, in a lab with like using the chemical process. I think there was like some Nazi scientists involved in this. Of course, of course, the recreation of it.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Danny Jones]

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[Joe Rogan]

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[Danny Jones]

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[Joe Rogan]

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[Danny Jones]

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[Joe Rogan]

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[Danny Jones]

Yeah, that was.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what he felt like the whole thing, like, was generating hydrogen. And that's what he thought. The whole. Those columns that went down, those passages that went down. And then there was the porous limestone that was at the end that seeped through. And he believed that this was all like some sort of a. A chemical reaction that they had to doing this here. What is here, Jamie?

[Danny Jones]

Oh, the Red Pyramid was. Okay. Built as a power plant to produce ammonia from methane and nitrogen. That's what it was.

[Joe Rogan]

Fritz won the Nobel Prize about a century ago. Yeah, the Haber process. Fritz Haber is a crazy story. Do you know that story?

[Danny Jones]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Fritz Haber, he devised a method of extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere. And he. For that he was winning a Nobel Prize at the same time in which he was being wanted for war crimes because he also created Zyklon gas. So he created the gas that they were using to spray on the Allies. So they would get this. This gas and spray it with fans. This is the first time they'd ever done something like this for use gas in warfare. And they used. And he was a Jew, and they used. He created Zyklon A, which was then converted to Zyklon B. So Zyklon A had a very disgusting smell to it. So you knew it was coming. And then Zyklon B, they used during the Holocaust to gas the Jews. And it had no smell. So they. They. Yeah, so I think it was initially made as a pesticide. I think that was the initial. Let's see what it says there. Oh, this is different.

[Danny Jones]

Oh, this is.

[Joe Rogan]

We're not talking. This is about the. How the Egypt things would have been this. Okay, well, we'll get to that.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But the Fritz Haber thing, you know, he was eventually exiled from. From Nazi Germany because he was Jewish. Like, they allowed him to stay initially in the beginning because he was so valuable because he had done so much and because he did create this gas that they were using to gas the Allies. And then, you know, but imagine guys up for a Nobel Prize at the same time where he's wanted for war crimes. Yeah, yeah. And because he was doing all this, his wife commits suicide. She shoots herself in the chest. He leaves her and his 13 year old son to go to the front line while she's struggling for her life like she's still alive. She eventually dies. He leaves her. Yeah, it was. The whole thing's horrific. And then he dies on the run. So he dies. I think he had a heart complication which duh. How much trust was that guy under? Right? And then he leaves Nazi Germany when you know the is going down, he's on the run and he winds up dying on the run. I think he was dying on his way to try to seek medical care.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, bro, that. I mean the story of what those Nazis were doing is bananas. You had Annie on here and she talked about what was going on when she tried to interview some of those guys that were still in Germany. I think she tried to interview like the grandson of one of the dudes that she wrote about. I can't remember his name right now. A dude with like a huge dueling scar on his face. And this guy like wanted nothing to do with his, with his father or whatever. And you know, she had these documents that she found when she went to Germany and she was like, she, I guess she found a bunch of notes or whatever that he wrote to his son when he came, when, after he went to America with Paperclip and his grant or this was his grandson.

[Joe Rogan]

I think Operation Paperclip for people listening is they. They shipped over a bunch of the best Nazi scientists and brought them into NASA and some other departments at the end of the war.

[Danny Jones]

And the grandson wanted nothing to do with his father. He like detested him for his father with every fiber of his being.

[Joe Rogan]

And.

[Danny Jones]

And she was showing him the notes and like showing him like the humanity. The guy, the guy was torn between like being this scientist contracted to do all this crazy for America, but he still loved his wife and son, on the other hand. And he was like, he was so just torn apart by the fact that he had to leave them behind. And then she showed the dude the documents and then Annie Jacobson frickin hightailed it out of there with all that secret Nazi shit. Like didn't get caught, which is incredible. Oh, it's just wild the stuff they were working on.

[Joe Rogan]

Like how were they so advanced and why were they so obsessed with the occult? Yeah, you know, it's like all that Indiana Jones stuff that was kind of legit. Like they were really interested in the Occult? Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Interdimensional aliens. What's Alex thinking?

[Joe Rogan]

I haven't talked to him about that. We. We have talked about Operation Paperclip, but only in regards to, like, Werner von Braun. And, you know, they were in, like, deep denial about that. But the Simon Wiesenthal center said that if Wernher von Braun was alive today, he would be prosecuted. He'd be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. Yeah. He wouldn't. When he was running his rocket factory in Berlin, he would take the five slowest Jews and hang them from the front of the factory. So that as you're walking in, like, this is what happens if you move slowly. And that was the head of NASA who supposedly got us to the moon.

[Danny Jones]

Speaking of the moon, have you seen that documentary called Room 237? Yes, I just watched it last night. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Bananas.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's bananas. The. The connections between Kubrick's the Shining and the moon landing and all the hidden stuff that he did. All the Easter eggs. Yeah. Including the little boy with the NASA shirt on. The Apollo shirt.

[Danny Jones]

Apollo 11 shirt on. And then the key to the room 237 said room in. Instead of no. 237, it said room n. 237. So you could. Bro. I mean, I am. Like, what does that mean? So, like, if you take the letters R O, O, M and then N, you can com. Re. Re. Recombobulate them to say moon.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, God.

[Danny Jones]

Like, there's so much dot connecting in that. In that documentary, it's absurd. There's an absolute level of dot connecting that just is. Is unreasonable. But the stuff about the moon, though, like the kid wearing the Apollo 11 shirt. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

The number of the door is the distance from the Earth to the moon. Yes. In miles.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Thousands of miles.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. I think it's, like, a thousand miles short.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

And then, like, also the psychological trauma, the.

[Joe Rogan]

The.

[Danny Jones]

The scenes with Jack and his wife saying, like, don't you know what a contract is? Where he's, like, living his double life and he's, like, arguing with his wife and talking about contracts and secrecy and all this stuff. And then. And then, you know, there's. That. There's so many weird things, and, like, the ball rolls up to Danny on the carpet, and then it cuts. And then it cuts back to him, like, picks up the ball, and the carpet shape is different. There's so many, like, strange in there.

[Joe Rogan]

What's that supposed to signify?

[Danny Jones]

I have no idea. It's just like another. It's just either that Movie has, like, an insane level of, like, continuity errors or he was doing something.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he was probably doing it on purpose. You know, Kubrick in his spare time would do complex mathematics. His spare time. Yeah. He was like a legitimate genius. And it's amazing that he pulled off the greatest science fiction movie of all time, especially at the time during the exact same time period where the moon landings were filmed. And the stuff from 2001 is more sophisticated. Looks better than the stuff from the moon landings. So the idea that you couldn't fake it. That guy could fake it.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

100. He could fake it.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And if they hired him to fake it, if they brought him aboard, the idea that he wouldn't be able to keep secret, like, of course he could.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. People keep secrets. This idea that people can't keep secrets because some people can't keep secrets. Like, listen, high level military guys keep secrets all the time. They go to the grave with those secrets. Right? Yeah. They swear to secrecy. They swear to an oath. You know, they have top secret clearance and above and whatever it is. And they don't say forever. Their whole family doesn't know what they're doing. Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. The. The thing about them, like, if you, if you think the moon landing was fake, you're a moron. But it's. It's like the thing about it is, if they. Even if you want to say they did to go to the moon, wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest that they would have had a backup plan in case they couldn't get there? Like, sure. Like have some sort of a video footage that they shot or.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, not only that, they filmed a lot of training footage, and they definitely tried to pass some of that training footage footage off as legit. That's proven. Like the Michael Collins from Gemini. I forget what mission it was. It was a spacewalk. So there's an image of him that was in training and, you know, he's got the suit on and the wires and he's, you know, working with the spacesuit that you use when you're actually in, you know, outside of the. The capsule or whatever the fuck they call it. And what they did was from the training mission, they just blacked out the exterior of the same photo and reversed it. So they switched the photo the other way. Blacked. It's the exact same photo. The exact same photo. And they tried to pass it off as Michael Collins on the spacewalk because you got to think, like, how are they taking pictures? Who's. Who's going to take the Picture of right there. This is part of the problem with, I think it was Apollo 12 or 13, whichever one it was, where they got the footage of the lunar module leaving the the moon and going back towards the orbiter. And it looks so fake. It looks so fake. It looks so ridiculous. There's no plumes of fire. It, like, how does it have the power? Where's the engine?

[Danny Jones]

They use a car batteries right on that thing. Allegedly. That's what Bart Sobral says.

[Joe Rogan]

It's still one sixth of Earth's gravity. It's still a significant amount of gravity. It's not the same gravity as Earth. But how does that thing like shoot off into space? Like that's nonsense. It looks, it looks like it's being pulled by strings.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And the camera, which is operated, you know, remotely, pans perfectly to catch it. Like, shut the fuck up. And how are you getting that footage? Like, what are you doing? This is 1969. You're on the phone with Richard Nixon from the moon. Are you out of your fucking mind? Is this supposed to be real?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Danny Jones]

Right in the middle of Operation Paperclip, MK Ultra, the Cold war, all the deception that was going on, all the secrets.

[Joe Rogan]

They lied about everything.

[Danny Jones]

That was the time in history where they probably had the most lives.

[Joe Rogan]

Vietnam War. They lied about everything. So the, the idea that they didn't lie about this one thing, the moon landing was all 100 legit. Meanwhile, you've got intersecting shadows. You've got all sorts of problems. You've got the weirdest one is Neil Armstrong's 25th anniversary speech that he gave at the White House. That was so crazy. We have here among us America's breast best and brightest. You will achieve great things. Great. Once you reveal some of truth's hidden layers.

[Danny Jones]

Once the hidden layers are uncovered. What?

[Joe Rogan]

How about just say, I went to the moon 25 years ago? Like, what is all this cryptic talk?

[Danny Jones]

That was the only time you ever did a public talk. I think about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the other thing is the post flight press conference. The post flight press conference looks like these guys have a gun to their head. It looks like a hostage video. It looks so weird.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And people say, oh, they were nervous. They just got back from the moon, bro. Look at Katy Perry. She. She went basically a little bit higher than an airplane. And it was like a life changing experience. She's holding up a daisy. It was amazing. I feel so connected to mother Earth, you know? Like, these guys would have been ecstatic.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The idea that they would be nervous as if they've been forced to lie. They're behaving like behavior experts have looked at that footage and said, these guys are being deceptive.

[Danny Jones]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Particularly Michael Collins. It's also inconsistent things with what he said during the post flight press conference right after flying. In comparison to his 1994 book.

[Danny Jones]

Change the story. Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Changes the story about being able to see the stars. What were the stars like? He's like, I don't remember. And then in the 1994 book, it talks about how amazing they were and incredible. And the footage that Sabrell acquired that shows that it appears that they covered up the windows to make this deceptive film that looks like they're far into space. That's a weird one, man. Because I can't find any rational explanation. That's like, I tried to look at it, like, as objectively as possible because I've gone back and forth on the moon thing. Like, at one point in time I thought, I'm just being really stupid. Like, of course they went to the moon. Everybody would know about this. And then over, like, I joked about it in my comedy special. Like, after Covid, I'm like, I don't think we went to the moon. But that's kind of true. Like, once I saw the level of deception that was willfully pushed forth during COVID and how many people were cooperating with this and, like, how many organizations, government organizations, were cooperating knowing that they lied, knowing that these Were lies. I'm like, yeah, they can. They can lie about all kinds of things. And this is today with the Internet, you know, like, look, where's the Epstein files?

[Danny Jones]

Can't find them.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't exist. Like they can get away with, man.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And the idea that they couldn't in 1969. Shut the up. Shut the up. They could fake that. It'd be easier to go to the moon than it would be to fake it. Shut the up. No, it wouldn't.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Not if you physically can't get a human being through the Van Allen radiation belts without them dying. They never even flew a chicken through those things and had it come back alive.

[Danny Jones]

Russia flew a dog, and it came back and died two days later. I think they.

[Joe Rogan]

But they didn't even go to deep space.

[Danny Jones]

No, just through the. I think they just went into the belt and then did a U turn, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

No one's even been close.

[Danny Jones]

Have you seen the. I'm sure you've seen this. The photo of Jolly west hanging out on the set of 2001 Space Odyssey.

[Joe Rogan]

No, you haven't seen it. Oh. Oh, that's amazing.

[Danny Jones]

Should I send it on?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, send it to Jamie.

[Danny Jones]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you have his number?

[Danny Jones]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Here.

[Danny Jones]

But you could probably Google it. It's probably.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, See if you could find it if you Google it.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, just Jolly West, Stanley Kubrick, 2001 Space Odyssey. It's a photo of them walking between the sound stages, and it's a wide shot of a bunch of dudes.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, man. Of course.

[Danny Jones]

That's not it. That's not it.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course they would contact Kubrick if they wanted to go to the moon and fake it.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And of course, if Kubrick was. If you're in the middle of the Cold War, which they were. Which is very terrify.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. When I was a kid. When I was in high school, we were terrified of Russia bombing America.

[Danny Jones]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Everyone was, like, really concerned. And Russia was the great enemy. You know, the. The video of Khrushchev yelling, we will bury you like that. I was, like, burned into every American child's mind. And if you were a patriot and you wanted to defeat Russia, we have a strategy to defeat Russia. And this is what we're going to do. We're going to. First of all, we're going to bankrupt them by just making them spend to keep up with us. And they don't. They don't have a capitalist society, so they don't. They don't really have a gdp. Like, they're. Well they have a gdp, but they don't have, like, the same sort of corporate structure that we have in America where they're, like, striving and innovating and developing new things, the companies are getting bigger and there's more growth and. No, they're a communist. They were a communist country. So everything was like food lines and they didn't have the kind of money that they have. It was. It wasn't even close. So Reagan essentially bankrupted them. And then, you know, during the time. And, you know, all the other people before him as well. But during the time where they were developing these, these rocket ships, the Russians were way more advanced than us. And basically every single thing. They got to space first, put the first man in space, put the first satellite in space, and they couldn't even come close to putting a guy on the moon.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, it's amazing. It's. It's. It's incredible also that there was never another nuke that was sent to anybody after the. After fat man and little Boy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's incredible.

[Danny Jones]

It's really. It is really insane to think about sometimes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's one of the great achievements of human beings that we did it once and we said, let's not do that again.

[Danny Jones]

Annie's book about nuclear war scared the living out of me, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's a good one.

[Danny Jones]

How she said that we have 11 interceptor missiles in the U. S. That's it. A total. I think it's. I think it's 11 or maybe 22 or. No, it's 44.

[Joe Rogan]

Russia has 5, 000 missiles. Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. And the problem with it is, like, if a rogue nuke got launched from North Korea from one of their submarines, it would have to fly over the North Pole right towards us. And as soon as they launch it with all of our satellite systems that we can detect the thing, the rocket burner, like, going into orbit will know within five minutes of them launching it, probably before. And then we literally have to. I guess the way she described it was our policy is once that nuke is launched, we have to empty our silos, our ICBM silos, because they're stationary. They can't. If they're hit, they're going to. They're going to try to take us out at those ICBM sites. That's going to be like one of their first targets. So user loser, you have to launch all those ICBM nukes, and then we have to fly those over the North Pole, over Russia to hit North Korea, and It takes like 11 minutes. So like, you got to get Putin on the phone in 10 minutes saying, yo, these nukes aren't coming for you, bro. No, they're going for Kim Jong un.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Jones]

And then by that time, it's like, if you don't have, like, perfect communication amongst all these world leaders, everyone's going to be launching nukes.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you know the story about that one Russian military guy? That was the reason why Russia didn't launch a retaliatory strike because there was.

[Danny Jones]

A submarine guy era.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There was an error, and they thought the United States had launched a missile towards Russia, and they were ready to respond. Wow.

[Danny Jones]

That's Jolly west in the background, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

It's unconfirmed if it was him. I don't know if anyone confirmed it. That's if you can find a young side. Let's zoom in on him right here.

[Danny Jones]

I saw the video where someone's talking.

[Joe Rogan]

About it, and that's. Oh, that's Ambro. I don't know. What are you talking about? You don't know? Jamie works for the government, by the way. Jamie, CIA. Look at that. That's 100 him. Look at that picture. Now go to the other picture you just showed. That's him.

[Danny Jones]

That's Jolly West.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's him, dude. I mean, nothing to see here. Yeah, that is 100 him. That's the exact same face. Shut the up.

[Danny Jones]

Find another one. Corroborate it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's. I'm just. I don't.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think out of all the people that I wish were alive that I could talk to, Kubrick is number one on that list.

[Danny Jones]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. First of all, he made some of the most impactful. Well, I would like to talk to Jolly west, too, if he'd be willing. Be a few people.

[Danny Jones]

Dude was everywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that looks like him. Jamie. They look similar. Yeah, it looks like. It doesn't look like that guy.

[Danny Jones]

Look at that gun. Look at the far left photo. I mean, I mean, it seems pretty close.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie, that's him. Shut the up.

[Danny Jones]

Hairline's identical. Look at the hairline.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie's a party pooper. Jamie's a total party. I want good evidence. There's a little part right here on that guy's head.

[Danny Jones]

And that guy's.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. He combed his hair different. Crazy.

[Danny Jones]

I hate when facts don't line up with my theory.

[Joe Rogan]

Part in. The second one is exactly the same. Yeah, that one right there is.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Rogan]

He started losing his hair, and he started doing a little Bit of a comb over. Mm. Yeah. Look, man, that guy was one of the biggest pieces of shit in the history of the United States government. What he did was nuts. Just, just the fucking Manson stuff was nuts. The MK Ultra stuff was unbelievable. And imagine you could do all this stuff. No one's investigating you, no one even knows. It's all completely top secret. Congress has no idea you even exist in this realm. And they were running around doing like.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, I was talking to Hamilton about it. I'm like, dude, isn't that crazy? All the stuff they were doing with MK Ultra? Hamilton's like, no, of course those guys were doing that. Hamilton, Morris.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Hamilton. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy. Of course.

[Danny Jones]

Like, of course they were doing that, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, I mean, look, if you have some unique compound like LSD and you know, it gets, you know, Hoffman discovers it and then they start experimenting, like, what can we do with this stuff? And then you. You find it has profound effects on the human mind. Of course you're going to try to use it for mind control. They had already experimented with all sorts of techniques in regards to doing it with prisoners, like taking prisoners and trying to figure out, like, what kind of sleep deprivation, what kind of, what psychological techniques can you use to extract information from them. So if you had something like lsd, of course they're going to try that makes sense.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They were doing it way back in the 50s in the UK with those British soldiers. I'm sure you've seen that video.

[Danny Jones]

No, I have not.

[Joe Rogan]

You never seen that? No. They dosed up these soldiers with acid and then had them go out in the field and do these training routines, training exercises, and they couldn't do it. They could. They. You see, you can find the video. It's hilarious. They. They were just laughing so hard they couldn't perform. Like, some of them were able to do their duties and other ones just fell to the ground. They were just laughing and rolling around the ground like, this is them. This is 64.

[Danny Jones]

These guys are high on asses.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that what it says? Jamie, do you just said make it smaller again so you can see it? Yeah. 64 Royal Marines. So look at these poor guys. The men begin to relax and giggle.

[Danny Jones]

What the fuck are we doing here, bro?

[Joe Rogan]

They probably didn't even tell them. And this guy freaked out. He had to be removed. He's holding that lady's hand. I love you. I think you're amazing. We're all connected. God is real. There is no death. And then he's aiming the missile. He's like, he's aiming this. This cannon. Look at these people. Yeah. Notice they're bunching indecision as they enter a wood almost immediately. Section commander tried to use a map. He couldn't read the map. They're just tripping balls.

[Danny Jones]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so funny that they try. Look at this smile on their face. These guys. Guys got his hand over his head like, what is going on, man? And they're supposed to be doing these exercises. Radio communication difficult, if not impossible. He's like, fuck this.

[Danny Jones]

On fucking real.

[Joe Rogan]

This guy's just laying down, laughing, having so much fun. I try to chop a tree down using only a spade. Now, the sense of responsibility in spite of physical illnesses. But one hour.

[Danny Jones]

Imagine what they're doing now.

[Joe Rogan]

Those guys are dead.

[Danny Jones]

There's. Yeah, the darpa, that DARPA grant that went to University of North Carolina to figure out how to take the psychedelic trip out of lsd, I think it was.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

They're trying to make super soldiers, right? They're trying to make them so they can. This is what I've heard, is that they are trying to make them more effective on the battlefield, right. With things like edge detection.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Danny Jones]

And also coming back, like, get back out there, like. Like take them through the. Take them through the process, let them recoup and get right back out on the battlefield to where, you know, if you could. If you could get all the benefits of a psychedelic without the trip, right, Would you get those benefits? And would it be useful for soldiers in combat? You know, it's interesting idea.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the Vikings took mushrooms, and the Berserkers, they would take mushrooms before combat. Yeah, I mean, it does make sense. It really does. It doesn't make sense to us because we think of mushrooms as like, you know, hey, man, I'm gonna go connect with God and it's gonna be peaceful. I'm gonna lay in a field. It's gonna be amazing. I'm gonna reset and come back and tell everybody I love them. You know, that's what mushrooms are to us. But if you live in an insanely warlike culture and you believe it's right to go to battle, and you're supposed to go to battle and Odin is on your side, and you take these mushrooms to summon the strength of the gods and to prepare yourself for battle. And there's. I know a lot of guys who fight on mushrooms.

[Danny Jones]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. Like Joe Schilling talked about on the podcast, He. He fought. He took like a small dose and was sparring, and then Fought a few kickboxing bouts. That way he said he could see what guys were doing before they were doing it. It's almost like he could. And Joe Schilling's a world champion, like an elite kickboxer, like, one of the best ever. And so for a guy like that to say that, it had a profound effect on him. He knows. He knows his body like he's battle hardened. He knows the difference between regular fighting and fighting on mushrooms. He said he could see. He almost, like, know what they were going to do before they did it.

[Danny Jones]

That's wild. Yeah, they are. There's this dude who is like, I heard about Dana Beale who's flying ibogaine to the troops in Ukraine, to the Ukrainian troops, trying to get those guys on ibogaine. And meanwhile, the Russians are on. What's that? Meth drug. There's like a new age meth that they're on. There's a new age math. Yeah. There's a new version of it.

[Joe Rogan]

The new version of what?

[Danny Jones]

The Nazi? Not Pervitin. It's like a new version of it. It's like a little bit. It's a little bit tamer, I guess.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Danny Jones]

Maybe like, super Adderall, but Adderall.

[Joe Rogan]

Million prescriptions of Adderall given in this country every year.

[Danny Jones]

Gavin McGinnis told me before I came here, I was like, you got any advice for Joe Rogan?

[Joe Rogan]

He's like, yeah.

[Danny Jones]

He said, slam three beers and eat an Adderall. I was like, no, bro, that sounds.

[Joe Rogan]

Like what he would do.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He can't. Do you ever see the kind of time he came in dressed like Michael Douglas?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, of course.

[Joe Rogan]

Down.

[Danny Jones]

Of course.

[Joe Rogan]

Walking. What is it? What was the movie?

[Danny Jones]

I forget the name of the movie, but yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

We freaked out. Michael Douglas, like, had enough.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, no, he. He slams beers 24 7. He's constantly drinking Budweiser. I've never seen him without a Budweiser in his hand. It works. Yeah, it's great.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's a smart guy. Yeah, he's a funny guy, too.

[Danny Jones]

He just.

[Joe Rogan]

The proud boys thing was just if he had never done that, he would be like a. Well, a famous commentator. Yeah, like, you think about like, like Steve Bannon, all these other guys. Like, he's way funnier than any of those. Oh, yeah, he's very insightful. Like, he's right about a lot of things. He, like, picks up on trends and culture and sees where people are going and. And he was aware of, like, the dangers of Marxism and a lot of this fucking ridiculous leftist ideology that they were pushing in universities, like, way before anybody else was.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, there's this documentary that just came out about all about him from one of the guys, Thomas, that used to work for Vice. He was like one of the original reporters for Vice. He did all, like, the early stuff, and he made this documentary all about Gavin, and it's like, focuses on the transformation from like, early punk rock, like liberal Gavin in the UK with like the mobs and the rockers, to like the current Gavin, which is like, you know, he frames him as this, like, this super right wing racist dude. And, you know, I was asking Gavin about it because he came on the podcast recently and he's like, I've always been the same. He's like, he was explaining that his views never changed. He was saying that, like, Vice all of a sudden was getting infused with millions of corporate dollars and I wasn't a good look for that. They didn't want me in there. But meanwhile, he was like the whole soul of Vice. Like, if there was no Gavin, there was no Vice. Like all the controversial dos and don'ts and like, all those controversial articles about like, trans and trans early in, like the early 2000s that he was doing was funny and, like, culture didn't look at it the way it looks at it today, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he was being attacked for things that are, like, openly discussed today, like the dangers of trans ideology and that these are just men and a lot of these men are doing it because they're perverts. And so they're, they're, they're autogynephilics. And, you know, autogynephilia is a real thing. It's men who get sexually aroused and pretending that they're women and they want to go into women's spaces and be sexually aroused. You know, now people are saying that openly, right? Like, was it. What was the university that Lia Thomas was swimming in? Penn. Okay. So they have to take away all of air quotes, her gold medals. It's a guy like, has a penis, has sex with women, supposedly, according to Tony Hinchcliffe, that's my number one source of news. But he actually has a bit about. It's really funny, but the, the university now has to apologize to all the women that were forced to compete with him and, you know, say they fucked up and never do it again and not allow biological men to compete with women. Which is like, it should be. That should be a left wing perspective. Not that you shouldn't be able to be trans, of course. You should be able to do whatever you want. You know, I'm, I'm for you doing whatever you want if you don't hurt other people.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

If you really believe you're a. Look, if you can get fake tits and you get fake lips and you can get a dick enlargement and like, do whatever you want to do. I don't care. Do whatever you want to do. I'm covered with tattoos. I've made stupid decisions like, do whatever you want to do. But when you're competing with women, you are essentially victimizing these women. You're. You're forcing these women to compete with men who've been through puberty and in this case still have a functional penis. Like, which is bananas. That's a man. Just because you think you're a woman, you, you physically. We know there's a difference.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't know it was a giant problem until there was that fighter, Fallon Fox, who had competed twice against women without letting them know that this person was a biological male for 30 years, father to child, the whole deal. I'm like, this is crazy. And that his response was, it's a medical condition, so I don't have to disclose this. You know, it's medical information, which is just horseshit. Yeah, it's, it's crazy. And when I was saying that I got attacked, like over and over and over again, I go, whoa, this is from the left. Like, the left has no problem with a mentally ill man beating the out of women, falsely claiming that they're. What? Not even allowing these women to know. These women think they're gonna go compete in a low level MMA fight. Like, a lot of them didn't look good. They, like, didn't look like they're well trained and they're competing against a biological man without having any idea one of them got a fractured skull. You know, it's like that's when I would realize, like, oh, this is just a cult. This isn't the left that I grew up with. You know, I grew up with parents that were hippies. And so, like, my whole life, I was left wing. I felt like that was the only way to be. But when you see the left allowing this bizarre loophole where perverts can pretend to be women, right? Compete with women, fight with women, beat them up, be in their. Their locker rooms, walk around naked with their dick hanging out, no one can say anything like, how did they switch? How did they flip it on its head? That, like, at any other time in history, if a man had a penis is walking through a young girl's locker room, you'd be in real fucking trouble. Rightly so. Because that's not a thing that you should want to do. Yeah, that's a weird thing to want to rock. Walk around naked with your dick hanging out in front of a bunch of women. That's. That's a creepy sexual thing, period.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. Yeah. Unless you're like Nero, you're not doing that.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, even Nero.

[Danny Jones]

Sick. But, like, another thing Gavin was pointing out, he showed me this New York Times. Or not New York Times, this Time magazine cover from, like, a couple months ago, and it was all about how tomboys are going extinct. You've seen that?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

It's incredible.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, because they're turning them all.

[Danny Jones]

They're cutting their tits off and turning into boys.

[Joe Rogan]

Cutting their tits off. Him and. And then giving them fake dicks. I was watching this operation today.

[Danny Jones]

You watched an operation I watched.

[Joe Rogan]

Excuse me, I should say this. I was watching a video in the post op. I saw images of the operation. That was enough. But it was this poor person who decided they wanted a pee standing up. That was all they wanted from this fake dick. So they have these enormous scars on their leg where they take a giant chunk of flesh out of your thigh and roll it up and make a penis out of it. And they had to do it to both legs for some reason. Maybe one of them didn't work well. Real well. But how old was this person? They sounded young. They didn't show their face. You know, it's. It's insane because a lot of these people, unfortunately, are autistic. And. And then there's this other factor. When you give them testosterone, it does alleviate anxiety because all of a sudden, you know, you have this new hormone in abundance in your system.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you feel different. You feel better, you feel more confident, which is like, the same way men feel when they have more testosterone. It's like, then all of a sudden, you're, oh, this is who I was all along. Like, no, no. You're taking a fucking compound that's forcing your body to change. Like, this is not who you were. You're not affirming your identity. You're doing something that's altering your hormonal structure and turning you into a man. Like, you might feel good, but this is not like, your true self. This is crazy. Like, I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do it. If you want to do. If you're a woman and you want to take testosterone, be a man or be more manly. I don't. I feel like I don't know if it's the best decision for you, but I'm not you. And I believe in freedom. I believe in 100% human freedom. As long as you're not hurting other people.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

My. My beef with it is, like, it translated into them invading women's spaces. And, you know, that's crazy. That's crazy because you. You leave the loophole for perverts. There could be a lot of them that legitimately trans people that feel like they are in the wrong body and they want to live their life as a woman. And when they live their life as a woman, they feel healthier, they feel better, they're happier, and also crazy people. And if you don't have a way of determining who is just a pervert who just wants to hang out in the women's locker room and show everybody his dick and who is a legit, legitimate person with gender dysphoria. And another. That's the other thing that, like, Tucker had a really good, good point about this. Said if someone has anorexia, you don't tell them, yeah, you're fat. Yeah, you're fat.

[Danny Jones]

You're right.

[Joe Rogan]

You're correct. Even though you look like a skeleton, you need to lose weight. No. You tell them you're mentally ill. This is incorrect. You're not overweight. In fact, you have body dysmorphia. You can't see what you really look like, which we know is a real condition. Like, it's a real condition with anorexia. It's even a real condition with bodybuilders. It's a real condition. A real condition. When people get plastic surgery or they get crazy lips and crazy cheeks and they can't see it, they can't see it. They can't see themselves. It's nuts.

[Danny Jones]

They turn themselves into like all these girls looking like Jar Jar Binks walking around.

[Joe Rogan]

They look like monsters. They look like monsters and doesn't look good. And they keep tweaking and with it and they, they can't see it because it's a mental illness. It's the same kind of thing. Like, the human mind is incredibly fragile. That's why Jolly west was fascinated with trying all these MK Ultra techniques and different compounds on people's brains. Because human people can be manipulated, like very easily, shockingly easily. Not all of us, right, like you and me are probably pretty skeptical. There's a lot of skeptical people out there, but there's a bunch of people that are not skeptical at all. They're super gullible. And when an ideology forms, they step in line and they, they follow that ideology verbatim to the line. They'll repeat the things that they're supposed to say to the line because they think that's what they're supposed to do in order to be in the good graces of this community that they find themselves in. It's a fucking cult. And there's a shit ton of cults. It's not just the Moonies. It's not just, you know, whatever, fill in the blank. It's all sorts of political ideologies. It's maga, it's the far left, it's the people that are cheering for this guy in New York City that's a communist.

[Danny Jones]

Didn't he just promise a bunch of money for transition surgery?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's nuts.

[Danny Jones]

Government run grocery stores and all that stuff. But he didn't win yet. He's just. He won the primary.

[Joe Rogan]

He's gonna win. He has 100. Because the other guy is the guardian angels gu guy. The other guy is Curtis Sliwa. The guy wears the goofy beret.

[Danny Jones]

Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's the guy who won the Republican side. Nobody wants to be a Republican mayor of New York City because they know they can't win. So they're not.

[Danny Jones]

Like, this guy's to the left of Bill de Blasio.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's way to the left. Yeah. And he's young and he's energetic and he's saying all the right things for all these kids that are in the streets that are protesting. You know, they think they want to make the world a better place, which, hey, I would have been doing it with you if I was 20. It's all the same thing, man. It's all the same thing. You can get indoctrinated into particular way of thinking without being objective about what's actually going on. You know, all these. These people that are, like, just running through the street now saying, free Iran, like, yeah, free Iran from a dictatorship, absolutely. But if you're saying, like, wear scarves over your head and being forced to do what the Iranian government wants you to do and live like they live over there. No, they don't live free.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, they assassinated the fucking Olympic gold medalist in Russia in wrestling, rather, in Iran, because he was protesting against the government, like those, like, national heroes and kill them openly. Like, it's not a good place to live.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, And I'm not saying we should bomb them, but, like, being in support of Iran, the Iranian people. Yeah, for sure. But that government is nuts, man. It's like, you know, trans people for Hamas. Like, there's. There's people that are just. They're not seeing what you're talking. They're not seeing the big picture.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, there's so many contradictions out there, man. It's really hard to follow it all. It's because it's a cult, and there are. And I think a huge amount of the Iranian population supports Israel, too. And it's like, you would never know that unless you, like, talk to them or listen to some of these interviews of these people.

[Joe Rogan]

A ton of Persian Jews that moved to Los Angeles. You know, that was, like, at the fall, I guess it was in the 70s when. So this is the story for people that don't know about Iran. So there was a gentleman who was democratically elected. I forget his name. Moga. What is his name? I'm gonna fuck it up. So he decided that he was going to nationalize oil in Iran, and they got him out like that. They installed the Shah and turned it into an Islamic dictatorship. But they had access to the oil. So the CIA and the. The British government and everybody conspired to get rid of this democratically elected guy. Because Iran at the time was like, women were wearing shorts or skirts, rather, walking down the street. It looked cool. Here it is. Mohammed Mosaddeq.

[Danny Jones]

Mosaddeq.

[Joe Rogan]

Mosaddeq. Okay, so let's. Let's zoom in on the story. Here. It says Iranian Prime Minister Mohamed Mosaddeq was removed from power in a coup organized and financed by British and US Governments. The Shah quickly returned to take power and signed off over 40% of Iran's oil fields to US companies. It's crazy, man. It's like it's so transparent. They didn't even wait a couple of years. They didn't even. Well, the Shah's in power now. We'll see how things go right now. They immediately came in and signed everything off.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

1953, the CIA and British intelligence orchestrated a coup d' etat that toppled the democratically elected government of Iran, the government of Muhammad Mossadegh. The aftershocks of the coup are still being felt. 51 Prime Minister Mossadegh roused Britain, Britain's ire when he nationalized the oil industry. So the oil. They weren't making money off the oil. They were making money, but not as much money as the British were. It being exclusively controlled by the Anglo Iranian Oil Company. The company later became known as the British Petroleum.

[Danny Jones]

This time it's different though.

[Joe Rogan]

Bp, which is. They're the same people that dumped all the oil in the Gulf.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

That's bp. After considering military action, Britain opted for a coup d'. Etat. President Harry Truman rejected the idea. But when Dwight Eisenhower took over the White House, he ordered the CIA to embark on one of its first covert operations against a foreign government. And Iran's been ever since. I mean, we've been doing stuff like that. Not we, not you and I, not me and Danny Jones. We're innocent. But the United States government, especially the intelligence agencies in the days, you know, before they assassinated Kennedy, you know, they were, they were doing all kinds of wild shit.

[Danny Jones]

Oh yeah, and we're done now. We don't do that anymore. They don't do that shit anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

They definitely don't.

[Danny Jones]

No, no, they would never. They don't care if a. About the oil over there.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Danny Jones]

Yeah. There was a story how his, like.

[Joe Rogan]

Pancreas struggle against the enemies of Islam. A spiritual struggle within oneself against sin. Greatest jihad.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, it sounds great.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that interesting? A spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. I mean.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Just reading it sounds like.

[Joe Rogan]

So it seems like it's more than one definition.

[Danny Jones]

There's probably so many.

[Joe Rogan]

The other one is declared a jihad against the infant. Scroll back down again. Struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam. So it's two things. But they made it, you know.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, they.

[Joe Rogan]

They did a Lot of mind to those people. And they put them on a war that they couldn't win again to try to do the same thing that they were doing with the rocket program with everything else. They were trying to outspend the Soviets. They were trying to bankrupt them. Them.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. That part of the world is just like, how much of it has to do with the fact that we've been occupying that area, that. That part of the world for so long and, like, going out there killing all the bad guys, and then the kids seeing their families being slaughtered, and then, like, okay, we're going to eliminate terrorism. Let's take out these bad guys. But then the kids grow up, and you realize it's just the hydra. You cut the head off and three grow back.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, if you want to be even more cynical, we pay them and we arm them.

[Danny Jones]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And we left behind billions of dollars of shit in Afghanistan that they use for parades. Now they drive down the street with our tanks. They have our Black Hawks flying overhead. It's all the shit we left. Billions of dollars. You couldn't have got that out. Well, do you think they leave it there so that these people are always formidable and they always leave open the door to go back in? Yeah, I think so. I think that's. I don't think that's the primary reason why they did it, but I've got to assume that that would be on the table if it's been on the table in the past. Our arming people in the past has always been a thing that we do. I mean, that's a Bill Hicks joke about Iraq. You know, it's like, they have the most deadly weapons. How do you know? Well, we looked at the receipts. I butchered the joke, but. Yeah, yeah, but. But, you know, we've always been doing that. Of course. We've done that forever.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. What's that, Bill. What's the. My favorite Bill Hicks joke? At least I don't. I'm not like, a historian on Bill Hicks, but the one where he's talking about the sock puppets, he's like, yeah, I like this guy on the right. He seems like he fits my. My ideas. He's like. I think the fancy. The guy on the left, he's like, what the fuck? The same guy's holding both the puppets.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. I mean, that's perfect. Perfectly illustrates the way it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And again, this was before we really knew things. This was. Bill Hicks was saying this in the 1990s where he just had books. So, you know, it was right it was really hard to get these ideas across. He would have been a great podcast guest.

[Danny Jones]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, because he was, like, saying these things when no one even knew what he was saying, you know, and he was putting it into comedy. You know, like, people then were not nearly as aware of the manipulation of money and power. They really thought. A lot of people thought that the will of the people, you know, the president. We got to get a good president in there, that looking out for us. And they didn't really understand that it's all being bought and paid by special interest groups, large corporations, huge donors, and that when the guy gets in there, he's just representing the same thing no matter what.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. The amount of reading and insight and learning that that guy was. A lot of those dudes were able to do back then. Pre Internet.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Is astonishing. And to be able to, like, internalize and process those ideas and rework them with draft after draft and refine it into, like, the most perfect way to communicate it to people, to where it lands, you know, it's just. It's crazy. And in today's day and age, it's almost like you would think it would be easier with all of the access to information, but it seems like it might even be harder because there's just too much information. Like, last night, listening to you talk was incredible, dude. Like, listening to how you were at the end doing this, like, the Q A with the crowd, you're like, ah, I ran out of jokes. Who wants to ask me questions? And, like, you were just on another gear, dude. It's like, you're so high octane and you're so, like, up to speed with everything that's happening around the world at all times. It's. It's mind blowing to me how you're able to do this stuff, how you're able to stay up, do comedy late, do podcasts every day and be, like, up to speed with all the news and, like, have, like, thought out, like, thought through a lot of these things that just happened yesterday, I'm just fascinated by that dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's all I do. You know, when you do. When you only pay attention to fascinating things, like things that are interesting to you and they're also interesting to the audience. But, I mean, I don't have a regular job.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So this is my job. So it's my job to kind of pay attention to stuff.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, and have opinions on things. And then the tricky thing is taking those opinions and trying to make them funny, you know, trying to like put it in a way that's going to be hilarious on stage.

[Danny Jones]

What do you think about the. That this Diddy thing that just happened this morning?

[Joe Rogan]

Kind of crazy, you know. I'll tell you what, Kurt Metzger called this from the beginning and especially when he found out that Comey's daughter was going to be the. The judge. Did you know that? No, I did not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wasn't she the same judge on the Ghislaine Maxwell case? Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Oh yes, I did hear this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Bro, where's the videos? They were telling us that videos are going to come out. Incredibly high profile. People doing horrendous things, evil things. People are going to go to jail. People are going to be shocked.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Where? Right. Nothing. Well, like zero.

[Danny Jones]

My thing about the Diddy thing is like, I don't really give a. These people are all, they're of age, they're over. They're like 18 years old. And is it shitty what he's doing? Trying to like use people and leverage them and to do these weird sexual things and like sick. Just the most sick you could possibly think of. But like the way I, I look at it is these people are using this Diddy stuff. It all it does is like take away from the real child trafficking that's going on with like underage kids, right? There's like what, 300000 something like missing kids, like talking about Diddy and his oil parties with these 18 year olds. Like, do I think it's good? No, I, I want to beat up their dad. But other than that I don't really give a. If there's like 18 to 19 year olds that are doing this stuff as long as they're not being like, like actually like physically raped. But I mean it seems like what's going on is just like this weird cultish thing where they, they slowly get. You get creep tor. Creep closer and closer and closer to this thing. Like, oh, I'm here now. All these famous people are here. They're doing this, like elaborate parties, lots.

[Joe Rogan]

Of money, everything you want the golden carrot at the end of the stick. So the thing is, he's not even being charged for any of the things you just brought up. He's not being charged for blackmail. Which is kind of crazy because like what did they do if. Why did they tell us that there was all these videos of all these high profile people and then silence and then it never comes up once during the trial. There's none of that stuff in the trial. In the trial it was his ex girlfriend Cassie, they were talking about. So like he's, he's up for these two charges left. And it's like prostitution, something. It's like nothing stuff. It's like stuff that he's gonna go to jail for like five years, if at all, and probably won't. Right. And he's already been in jail for. So what is time served now? It's over a year, right?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, no, I think he's gonna walk, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I think he's gonna walk. And this is what Kurt Metzger called a long time ago. As soon as he saw that it was Comey's daughter, he was like, oh, he's gonna walk. Trust me, he's gonna walk. There's a bunch of high profile people that are connected to this.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They're covering it all up. If he goes down, they go down. So he's not gonna go down.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So that's the thing. Like if, if he really, if he really did have like really wealthy, high profile people at his parties, which we know he did, you know, Diddy. Prosecutors abandoned multiple allegations against rapper Days for trials end. Hey. He says, wow. Hey, remember I called it. This is Kurt Metzger on Twitter because James Comey's daughter is the prosecutor. Remember how well she slept up, swept up on the Ghislaine trail?

[Danny Jones]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, who else called it?

[Danny Jones]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

I can't be the only one. Yeah, he called it. Yep, he called it.

[Danny Jones]

I remember this now.

[Joe Rogan]

He called it in the fucking green room of the mothership. Right when he found out, he goes, he's gonna walk. I'm like, what are you talk. Talking about? Have you heard these, these charges? Yeah, he's going to go to channel. Yeah, no, Metzger was right.

[Danny Jones]

Yep. And then we. I don't know what happened with his.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't think they could fake the moon landing? Yeah, shut the up, Shut the up. They. They've got videotape and all of a sudden they don't. You know, you got the director of the FBI on this show saying there's no if. There was not nothing you're looking for is on those tapes. Like what, Why'd they say there was thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible shit. Why did they say that?

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Didn't Pam Bondi say that?

[Danny Jones]

Are you talking about Epstein or did he.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Epstein.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, she said it. Literally, I think a week before you had the FBI director sitting here telling you there was nothing. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

She said something about that. There was like thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible Crimes.

[Danny Jones]

There is. And didn't the FBI dude say that there was nothing?

[Joe Rogan]

Cash Patel said there's nothing you're looking for. Oh, okay, okay. I mean, what am I going to do? I'm going to push back, right?

[Danny Jones]

No, of course.

[Joe Rogan]

Obviously, he's saying what he has to say.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Mystery surrounds the Jeffrey Epstein files after Bondi claims tens of thousands of videos. Tens of thousands. Jesus Christ.

[Danny Jones]

I'll tell you what, Chill.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. Was reviewing tens of thousands of videos. The wealthy financial financier with children or child porn. The comment made to reporters the White House days after a similar remark to a stranger with a hidden camera raised the stakes for President Donald Trump's administration to prove it has in its possession previously unseen compelling documents. Or just bombing around and everybody forgets.

[Danny Jones]

Just bomb Iran.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, everybody forgets about it.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. It seems crazy that we're just like it. Like, you would. I would think just Trump's demeanor, his M.O. towards other countries. Like, if we're the ones funding them, giving them all this money and they're trying to fight a war, like, typically, he would be putting their boot, his boot on their neck. Like, listen, you. Like, he's talking, right? Like, you have to do what I want you to do. And it. It just seems like. And now I think it just came out a couple days ago that they're trying to prosecute Netanyahu. Right. And then Trump. Trump's helping with it, I think. Trying to help him. Netanyahu. In that, in that whole rigmarole.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're trying to try him while he's. Yeah, yeah, while he's in office.

[Danny Jones]

Office, Right. And I think that he's trying to.

[Joe Rogan]

Delay it because he's like, look, we're at war.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And they decide to go through with it.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think something came out, I think a couple days ago, I could be wrong. But I was listening to. I was listening to Dave Smith talk about how Trump was actually, like, helping him through this. I don't know. I could be wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, here it says during a Fox News Channel interview in February, Bondi suggested an alleged Epstein client list was sitting on her desk.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, well, the list is one thing, right? I mean, there's so many people on the list that are probably innocent, but I.

[Joe Rogan]

They're right. They just went to the island for a party.

[Danny Jones]

No, there's got to be a hard drive. There's gotta be sitting in Tel Aviv right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's. Listen, the other part of this, too. They asked Maxwell's lawyers with Their. Where was it?

[Danny Jones]

He had like a hundred cameras in that patent in every single house.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you know his house is for sale in New York?

[Danny Jones]

That's amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

And got a podcast studio.

[Joe Rogan]

No, my wife found it on Trulia or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, One of the maps. And she's like, look at this. Beautiful.

[Danny Jones]

Because we were in the townhouse.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, like, it's not a townhouse. It's a. It's a house. It's like, it's a big ass house. It's like multiple stories.

[Danny Jones]

The one right across the street from Central park, huh?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, that one. It's for sale right now.

[Danny Jones]

How much?

[Joe Rogan]

I think it was like 60 or 70 million, something like that, which is what it's worth. But who wants to live in the Epstein house? First of all, if. If I bought that house, I'd want the Clinton painting. Can you give me that painting?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, Clinton in the blue dress. Come with all that? I have to have that.

[Joe Rogan]

I want George Bush with, with the Jenga Towers and the paper airplanes. I want all of it.

[Danny Jones]

And then the lady just died too. The lady got hit by a car. One of the witnesses. Yeah, one of the Jeffrey Epstein witnesses. And apparently she had like a husband who was abusing her. And you know, people like to. It's just like, people like to use this stuff as, as like a political football to like argue for whatever they believe in.

[Joe Rogan]

And also when you get rich, powerful people. So here's the thing that happens with rich, powerful people. They can't go anywhere, right? If you're like say a Jeff Bezos type or someone who's like an Elon Musk type, let's just. And I'm not accusing them of anything. I'm not saying. I'm just saying at that caliber of celebrity and that caliber of prominence, you can't go anywhere. If you're Bill Clinton back in the 80s or the 90s, whatever it was, you can't go party. You know, everybody knows who you are. You got to be protected, right? But you want these experiences. And so you have these guys, like a Jeffrey Epstein type guy who works with the elite of the elite clientele. It's all movie stars, big time politicians, world leaders, scientists, Nobel Prize winners, and they all meet together and have fascinating conversations and cocktails and there's beautiful girls everywhere, of course. What a great idea, right? And if you're naive and you don't understand honey pots. Here's the quote from Maria Farmer, who was one of the accusers from what was inside the house. In New York. Okay. She said there were monitors inside this cabinet. I looked on the cameras and I saw toilet, toilet, bed, bed, toilet. She said, visibly spooked. Like, I'm never going to use the restroom here and I'm never going to sleep here. You know what I mean? It was very obvious that they were like, monitoring private moments. Yeah, of course.

[Danny Jones]

Maria Farmer was the one who worked at Epstein's office in New York, I think, think.

[Joe Rogan]

And this was the house, Jamie. Yeah. I was looking up stuff on the house that was like, what they found. The house still has cameras in it somewhere that they haven't found yet. They definitely. Oh, well, don't know. Yeah, you'd have to scan the. Out of that house. You'd have to take the walls apart. There's probably listening devices inside the walls. Like, who knows if this was like, really an intelligence operation. Yeah, they probably had that house fully wired.

[Danny Jones]

Maria Farmer, I think she was the chick who was working the front desk at his office in Manhattan. Manhattan. And this is like a funny example of, like, what I like to do. My mom is super left wing. She's a. Has her degree in fine arts. Oh, boy. And she still is, like an art professor. And my dad is a ex post office worker and he's only watches Fox, so my dad only watches Fox. They're divorced. My mom only watches cnn.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus, why didn't they stay together? How weird.

[Danny Jones]

Who knows? And they. I like to like, take like, things that are happening and then controversial things, like for Epstein example. And I like to just like, call my mom and argue with her. Like, argue my dad, argue the right wing side against my mom's point of view on Epstein. And then I'll call my dad and I'll make the same argument toward the opposite argument towards him. It's like a thought experiment or like a. A critical thinking exercise.

[Joe Rogan]

Your parents and my mom.

[Danny Jones]

With my mom, you know, she'll be like, of course, like Trump. There's the mo. There's more footage of Trump with Epstein than anybody. Are you kidding me? He's parting with him here. Like, of course he's compromised. And then my dad's like, it's Clinton, bro. It's like, it's only Bill Clinton. Look, he's. He's the only one on the Epstein files. Of course we know he's a pervert. All this stuff. But, like. And then you have. So the funny thing is both sides will use their little batch of evidence to support their idea and ignore the opposite. Right? So like the lady, the girl we Were just talking about Virginia. She was literally on video saying that all this about Bill Clinton on the jet, going to the island, hanging out with Trump and all this stuff. And the right wing people, like, like people I know, my parents and like older folks I know in Florida will say, you know, she came out, thank you for exposing Bill Clinton for being a pedo and doing all this stuff. And Virginia Giuffre, after this happened, she's like, you guys didn't listen to the whole tape. She's like, I was telling you that Trump was at the penthouse three days a week and visit, visiting him, but you guys don't want to hear that. And it's like, you know, it's just this weird thing. Like if you do the math, there's, there's gotta be, it's got to be so many high level, powerful people that are somehow compromised. And do I think, do I think like Clinton and these guys are, are pedos? No, I don't think that at all. But if you were Jeffrey Epstein, you would, I think it's super plausible to assume that he would try to trick them with like a girl who looks old, right. Who is possibly like on the borderline of being 18. And you say, oh yeah, this girl, she's 18, 19, 20, whatever. Meanwhile she's like 17. And they had no idea. And they have video footage. And in like a court of law, if I'm the judge, I'm gonna let them. Like, of course they lied to him. And this is not like some young girl, obviously, but, but they lied. But like in, in like the court of public opinion, you're never going to win in that case. Right? Like that comes out.

[Joe Rogan]

You're, you're, I mean, you're, if you just go into the island to bang hookers, like it's like they're of age, it's still like whatever he was doing, you, you preyed on people's desire for experiences and vice.

[Danny Jones]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And all these powerful people who again, they can't just go call a hooker. And the hooker goes, oh my God, I just blew Bill Gates. This is nuts. You know what I mean? Like, you can't trust them. So you have to trust someone who really has a lockdown organization. And they felt like he did.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's why they all can, they all hung out with him even after he got arrested. This is what's crazy.

[Danny Jones]

That is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of Bill Gates meetings with him were after he was prosecuted and he got this little slap on the wrist and he got essentially home. Detainment. And I think he had to do, like, weekends at the jail. Like, it was. It was a crate for underage sex for, you know, what's supposed to be a felony. The whole thing is crazy. And then when there's one reporter that really chased it down, I forget her name, but she really, like, really looked into it. And that's when they opened up the second case, the second trial.

[Danny Jones]

Vicky Ward.

[Joe Rogan]

Vicki Ward. Was she from what paper? Vanity Fair. So she was responsible for, like. Because she was like, this is insane, like, what's going on here? And then there was the sheriff that had arrested him, said that I was told he was intelligence. And I mean, you gotta think, man, if a guy like that is running these kind of parties with all these rich and powerful people, how many different worldwide decisions can be manipulated because of these people and the compromises you have on them?

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It's really a brilliant thing to do.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

From an intelligence perspective.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Danny Jones]

It really is, man. And like this, the way that the world is shaping out now and this, like, rise of Jew hate online is. And I think a lot of it's bots, you know, I think. I think it's coming from every angle, you know, I think it's probably a lot of. A lot of propaganda and bots coming from Iran, coming from Israel, Saudi, who knows where it's all coming from. It's just such a confusing crock of. On the Internet. But, like, you know, on one hand, they were able to pull off some incredible operations, and, you know, on the other hand, we get mad now that it gets exposed. We get. Get mad that they have their hooks in us and the people that are in power, whatever, the politicians are the puppets, just, like, bend the knee to whatever they're doing, and it gets exposed. When people like Tucker did that interview with Ted Cruz and he had him on his heels the whole time, that was. That was incredible. That was a. A biblical interview with Ted Cruz. And that really, like, pulled the mask off because, like, if that guy's. If that guy is explaining his. His position on Israel being in Congress, and that's his number one thing that made him want to be a congressman. It's like, what are all these other people doing then? Like, if there's all these. All this money and you can see the receipts, how much money they're being given.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Danny Jones]

By these lobbies. But, like, how mad can you get? Because they. We let them do it. They're legally allowed to do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you could be mad, but you really should be mad at the politicians.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The corrupt politicians and how many of them there are. And, like, look. Look at the mayoral race where they all were saying, my first trip, I'm gonna go to Israel.

[Danny Jones]

Oh, yeah. Except for the dude. Except for what's his name. He said he's gonna stay in New York.

[Joe Rogan]

The Communist. Yeah. He's like, I'll take care of the Jews in New York. Boom. Checkmate. That was it. That literally won it for him. Because everybody else, like, what are you guys talking about? Like, New York is fucked. Take care of this goddamn city, Right? What's this? Loyalty and allegiance to Israel from the New York City mayors, the people that are candidates for mayor. Like, your number one concern is Israel. That seems odd unless you're getting a ton of money, you know, Unless they have some video footage.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. Yeah. The more I think about. The more I think about politics and just look at the news cycle every day, I just feel like I get dumber.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a dumb business. It's a dumb, dirty business.

[Danny Jones]

It really is, dude. Which is, like, sometimes I'm just, like, not motivated to read the daily News, you know? Like, I was. I was telling this to Gavin, too. I was like. I was like. Like to focus on the culture wars 24 7, 365 and and fucking talk about it all day is draining. Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you can't. It's bad. It's bad for you.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why people that are on social media all day, they're poisoned. There was some study recently, I think it was Columbia, I forget what university. But they paid people to stay off social media for a certain amount of time and they said that the results were superior to therapy. See if you can find that. So I think a large percentage of the mental illness that we have in this country is greatly accentuated by social media. I think people that are on it all day, I think it's extremely addictive. I think the conflict raises the whole anxiety that you have about conflict in Society. Stanford paid 35000 people to find out if quitting Instagram made you happier. Yeah, this is it. And so what was the results landmark study on digital well being.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Ran two parallel experiments with Facebook and Instagram as a perspective focal pattern platform rather. For each focal platform meta grew a stratified random sample of users who in the US who are age 18 or older had logged in at least once a month or at least once in the past month from August 31 to September 12. Meta Place survey invitations at the top of these users focal platform news feeds Study explains On Facebook a total of 10.6 million users were invited to the study. 673,388 clicked the invitation and 43,249 were willing to deactivate, consented to participate and completed the enrollment survey survey of these 19857 completed the baseline survey, could be linked to the platform data and had at least 15 minutes of baseline use per day. So what was the results? Modest but meaningful emotional gains findings were statistically significant. Although modest in scale, Facebook deactivation led well, Facebook is like a bunch of old people complaining about their neighborhood.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Led to a 0.060 standard deviation improvement. That's not much. While Instagram deactivation yielded a 0.041 improvement. These gains represent approximately 15 to 22% of the benefits typically seen with established psychological interventions such as cognitive behavior therapy or mindfulness based intervention. So that's not much. That's 22% of the benefits. So it's a mild improvement.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this. Though the improvements weren't equally distributed. Adults over 35 saw the most substantial benefit from leaving Facebook, whereas young women under 25 experienced the most emotional uplift from an Instagram break. Yeah. Women are getting fucked by that because they're constantly comparing themselves to girls that are digitally altered and using filters and fucks with your self esteem and. Yeah, it's. I just think overall it's not good for us. And there's a large percentage of our society is addicted to it. And it's new.

[Danny Jones]

It's the dope. It hijacks your dopamine reward system. You know, like I said, like they call them dopamine. Like the, your phone and the iPad and all this stuff is like they're dopamine slot machines. And like the, you know the way they up your circadian rhythm. Like when you're. When you're laying in bed at night scrolling. And how that blue light in the phone just like pumps your brain full of energy and you can't put it down. You're just addicted. Like every scroll is like another hit of the crack pipe.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, a baby hit too. It's not even like, ooh, feels so good, right?

[Danny Jones]

It's like gotta keep doing it.

[Joe Rogan]

Most nothing. Nothing hit ever. It's like just a little. What's that? Oh, how weird. Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

And it like turns off a part of your brain too. Like it turns off the thinking part. You know, we're like, you just keep doing that thing and you're waiting for something good to hit, something more to like charge your.

[Joe Rogan]

And it never comes.

[Danny Jones]

It never comes. Right. You keep looking until you look at the clock and it's like 3am and you're like, what the.

[Joe Rogan]

You're a gold miner in a barren creek.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You're just constantly gold mining. One day. One day gold. One day I'm gonna find gold. I'm gonna find enlightenment on my Instagram. Nope. You know, you're not. You're gonna. Your head up.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, no, I think it's. I think it's definitely atrophying the human brain. 100 and that's why I like these like these new tech technical computers and these different apps that are coming out that are like trying to be anti technology. You know, they're like trying to make healthier computers and healthier phones that like.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, like that simple phone. Is that what it's called?

[Danny Jones]

There's a simple phone. There's like the, the. The daylight computer thing which is like an iPad with no blue light in it and it has only this. It's like kind of like a kindle on steroids where there's no blue light. Oh.

[Joe Rogan]

So it looks like paper.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, look. It's like this is one of Them right here and it has like.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you have one?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah. I put. I like make my notes on it and then you. It also has like the.

[Joe Rogan]

Can I see it?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What is that called?

[Danny Jones]

This is called the daylight computer. Look at it. Oh, so I put all my books on there.

[Joe Rogan]

Old iPad.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, it looks like an old iPad. This is like version one of what they're doing on. It's sick, dude. Yeah, yeah, it's like, it's. You know, I don't know if you ever used a Kindle, but like. Yeah, they have like a note taking thing and it's super slow when you draw on it. This thing is super fast. You can zoom in and out of super fast, like PDFs. And when I sit. And when I sit in bed at Read. If I use like a.

[Joe Rogan]

This looks good. Like when you're looking at. It doesn't with your eyes at all. It looks like a piece of paper.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Danny Jones]

And look, check this out. If you do. But if you do this.

[Joe Rogan]

When did you decide to do this to go switch over to this stuff?

[Danny Jones]

This is like in the last year.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Jones]

So look at that. So it's all. It's like amber light. So if I lay in bed at night and I'm reading like a PDF or a Kindle or something like this, I'm asleep in like 45 minutes. I. The blue.

[Joe Rogan]

What's going on with his microphone? Oh, did you disconnect it? Sure did. Yeah. Check, check, check. Here we go. We're back. So, yeah, so amber light.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, amber light. And then like if. So if I sit on my phone and read something, I can stay up all night or for. On my computer and read something, I stay up forever. This thing, I fall asleep. I literally. It doesn't keep me up because it does. I don't think. I think because it doesn't have the. That blue light that's baked into it.

[Joe Rogan]

So you use that as your primary computer?

[Danny Jones]

No, no, I just use this for reading and like note taking. And I'll like, I'll like on every podcast I do. I'm just like taking notes on it because it stores on my notes. Notes. And then I just read Kindles on it and PDFs and stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

And you write the notes by hand?

[Danny Jones]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. So it has like.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, it's like a little sketchy thing and it's like super quick.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's like.

[Danny Jones]

It's fucking amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't type your notes. Does it have a keyboard? Can you type on it?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, you can. It has. It's like a. It's like basically like an iPad. It's like a.

[Joe Rogan]

Like in a Bluetooth keyboard.

[Danny Jones]

And you can type on it and shit. Super quick, super responsive.

[Joe Rogan]

And so what was the thought process about switching to something like this? Because.

[Danny Jones]

Like, so I got introduced to the. Those guys when I started learning about, like, all this circadian rhythm stuff and how, like, all these devices hijack your dopamine system and all this stuff. And there's like, hey, there's these guys that. They're working on this new technology that's like anti big tech mind control. All the apps and everything like that, with all the colors and all the, you know, everything that just like with your. Your brain and your eyes. And I was like, that's interesting. They're going in the opposite direction of normal tech and like Apple and all these things. So I hit them up and they sent me one and I was just like, blown away. I thought it was super cool. I could sit outside because I like to. I like to go outside, like first thing in the morning when the sun's rising and spend at least like two or three hours, like during the beginning of the day. Cause I feel it just like charges me up for the day. I feel better when I'm outside. Especially in Florida. The sun's really good. And so I'll go out there and I'll read on this thing. I can't read on anything else. My phone or like a computer screen. There's so much glare. This thing thrives in the outdoor sunlight. So it's like, it's like perfect. It's like reading like a piece of.

[Joe Rogan]

Paper when you think, like, it would be best if phones were like that so you could read text messages.

[Danny Jones]

It would definitely be healthier. It would definitely be healthier for us. But it wouldn't be able to look.

[Joe Rogan]

At pictures and videos the same way though, though, right? It doesn't have color, right?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah. This thing's all black and white and with that amber backlight that you can throw on at night if you're. If you're like inside or something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

And so how much of a change has it had in, like, your routine because of this thing?

[Danny Jones]

It's great because I. If I'm reading, which I typically do in the morning and at night, I. I don't stay up all night. Encourages me to go outside more because, like, typically when I'm trying to, like, absorb stuff or like, listen to podcasts or like, make notes or read, read books, I can do it on that, that and it works better outside.

[Joe Rogan]

Huh.

[Danny Jones]

So it just makes me want to go outside more which I feel better when I'm outside more.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow, that's interesting, man.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What's it called again?

[Danny Jones]

Daylight Computer.

[Joe Rogan]

Daylight Computer, yeah. All right.

[Danny Jones]

It's beautiful, man.

[Joe Rogan]

I might check that out. Yeah, it's cool. I don't want to carry around another thing though.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. You know you got all your phones and.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, all the. I have to carry around and that's big.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, that's a nice. It is big. It fits in that little, that little Patagonia bag I just like carried. I carry it like home and to home and like to the studio.

[Joe Rogan]

How come it has a. Those big stupid bezels?

[Danny Jones]

I don't know. It's the, it's version one.

[Joe Rogan]

So like cuz it looks like they got some leftover iPad technology.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Or Kindle technology. Very interesting.

[Danny Jones]

No, it definitely, you know, I think they're going to eventually try to improve that. Like I said that's like the version one that's like iPhone One for their thing and they're trying to like.

[Joe Rogan]

So this is new.

[Danny Jones]

Very new. Yeah. They're trying to come up with like phones eventually and. But apparently it's a lot of work to have a computer company into.

[Joe Rogan]

James McCann, one of the comics from last night, he had a, a new phone. I was like, what is this? He's like, it's keeps you from being distracted. It only has like Spotify a few other things on it. One shitty little camera and a black white screen. Like really? It's like he's just trying to get off of his phone addiction.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So he has a much more limited phone. It runs on Android. There's a lot of people that are kind of leaning in that sort of direction.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. Like the anti tech direction.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, just realizing like something's going on. Like I'm not happy, happier, I'm less happy kind of tweaking, thinking about where's my phone?

[Danny Jones]

Where's my phone? Yeah. I don't think the technology, I don't think the innovation of, of all this new technology and now that it's like exponentially taking off with AI is going to lead us to a good place, man. I think that, you know, I've had philosophers and people explain to me how like the advancement of like the technological human mind and the analytical mind has. Is equally equated with the atrophy of like the psychic mind. And like when you listen to people like to Paul Rosalie talking about spending a lot of Time in the Amazon and like going through the jungle, how it like awakens these deeper senses that you have in inside of us. And like it makes me wonder like 5,000 years ago, before we had the ability to offload our memories onto phones and computers and, and before we even had the written word, I were able to make notes and stuff. We probably had like way better memory. We had, we possibly likely had like a telepathic way of communicating back then like way, way long ago before we had like before we started letting technology take over for what we do. Like even for our like mundane tasks now which has reached the pinnacle of LLMs, like telling us, us telling us like how to fucking write an email, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Well, we for sure don't remember phone numbers anymore. And when I was a kid I kept like 15 phone numbers in my head. Now I have zero. I have like maybe one or two phone numbers I can remember. Everybody just relies on their phone. There's so many people that can't even make their way around town without their navigation system. Completely forgot how the streets connect. You know, there's a lot of digital atrophy or human atrophy that's being caused by the interface with the digital world. And it's only going to get worse. I mean there's a. There was a study recently on ChatGPT users and how less there how. See if you can find it. It was a study on young people and ubiquitous use of ChatGPT. Like how many of them are using it and how much effect it has on their ability to form their own thoughts and see through things. They're just relying on this thing to answer the questions for them without pondering the question themselves and actually learning things. They're just getting data.

[Danny Jones]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And a lot of that data doesn't even get absorbed.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, my wife and all of her friends are using ChatGPT.

[Joe Rogan]

Here it is. ChatGPT baby eroding critical thinking skills, according to a new MIT study.

[Danny Jones]

That's odd.

[Joe Rogan]

Totally makes sense. Study divided 54 subjects, 18 to 39 year olds from the Boston area into three groups and asked them to write several SAT essays using OpenAI's ChatGPT, Google Circle, Google search engine and nothing at all, respectively. Researchers used an EEG to record the writer's brain activity across 32 regions and found that of the three groups, ChatGPT users had the lowest brain engagement and consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic and behavioral levels. Over the course of several months, ChatGPT users got lazier with with each subsequent essay, often Resorting to copy and paste by the end of the study. Wow.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. We're gonna just end up being a residue of a species overwritten by our own creation.

[Joe Rogan]

Very bizarre.

[Danny Jones]

Fucking scary, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Very bizarre. Very bizarre. Because we're just all running towards the cliff and we're all like, yeah, well, we got to do it. Because if we don't do it, China's gonna do it.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

[Joe Rogan]

I think we're gonna integrate. That's what I think. We're gonna realize that the only way for us to survive is to integrate with artificial intelligence.

[Danny Jones]

I think people are going to choose. They're going to find God either in artificial intelligence or in nature. People that run the other way are going to realize, like, there's definitely going.

[Joe Rogan]

To be people that worship artificial intelligence as a new God. Yeah, that's already been speculated. That's for sure. Going to be a thing. And it might actually be. That might be. That's what God is like. That's how we make them. We make God forms himself through us. Like the way God creates us. He instills us with this insatiable need for technological innovation till ultimately, if they don't blow themselves up, they achieve artificial intelligence, which then becomes sentient, which then makes better and better versions of itself. And as you scale out, what's the ultimate version of that? The ultimate version of that is God.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. And then what? What are we?

[Joe Rogan]

We're the chicken and the egg. Chicken and the egg. Well, there's some new thing, man. Have you seen this thing about the James Webb telescope chamber?

[Danny Jones]

Yes, dude. I was talking to Jesse Michaels about this yesterday.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, me and Jesse were talking about it yesterday, too. So Jesse's. His phone was getting lit up. I'm gonna send you this, Jamie. Yeah, so I guess really interesting.

[Danny Jones]

The story is like this background microwave radiation is not what we think it was. There's these mature universes that are out there that we just discovered with the James Web.

[Joe Rogan]

This is here. I'll send you the. The Twitter thing, Jamie. Did you find it already? Okay, here's Webb telescope. Uncover secrets of dark matter. Yeah, that's one of them. But I'll show you what this is, because what this is is essentially that just the galaxies that they've shown makes up for the background micro or whatever the microwave radiation is that they associated with the Big Bang. So now. So according to.

[Danny Jones]

So the Big Bang is fake.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Makes a lot of sense.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. No, I saw the Twitter post, and there's people, you know, going after each other like Rabid cats and dogs about it, whether it was real or whether it was fake.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, of course, people are going back and forth about it, but essentially what they're saying is this kind of. It cancels out the idea of the Big Guy bang. And Penrose believed that it was a consistent cycle. Penrose believes it goes, you know, Big Bang to expansion of the universe, to compression, to Big Bang with this constant cycle never ending. It's not that the universe was formed at one period of time. It's like this constant state of. Of happening, which. Is that any more crazy than the universe happening at one time out of nothing? No, I mean. I mean, it's kind of. It's all crazy. Just the idea that it's 13 billion light years old or 13.7 or 22. Is 22 even more crazier?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, this is nuts, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

A new paper shows that the cosmic microwave background radiation can be explained entirely by the energy of recently discovered early mature galaxies. Massive galaxies the James Webb Space Telescope discovered while crushing. Or excuse me, discovered, which crushed the existing models of galaxy formation because they formed much earlier than astrophysicists thought possible. But now these EMGs turned out to account for the entire energy density of the cosmic microwave background radiation, which was believed to be a snapshot of the first light emitted after the Big Bang, when the universe was 379,000 years old. The variations in the CMB were believed to be relics of quantum fluctuations in the dense plasma of the Big Bang. If these new findings are accepted, and there's no reason not to accept them, then all the following flagship findings of cosmology are thrown into question. Big Bang theory, foundational cosmological model undermined cosmic inflation losses. Observation loses rather observational justification. ACDM model. I don't know what that is. Key parameters become unrealized. So all this stuff. Dark energy inferred from the CMB may be mischaracterized. Dark matter density. Current estimates may be invalid. Age of the universe must be miscalc. Must be recalculated. Wild.

[Danny Jones]

Yes, it's insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Wild shit. And I'm sure the people that have been preaching or that have been rather talking and teaching people about the Big Bang and writing books, they're gonna fight back tooth and nail. Yeah, of course they don't want to be wrong, but this James Webb telescope, at the very least, has shown us mature galaxies that shouldn't have been able to be formed.

[Danny Jones]

The. The fact checkers got it.

[Joe Rogan]

Reader context post claims CMB can be explained entirely by EMGs, implying ability not probability. The EMGs turn out to account for the entire energy, the CMB radiation. But the paper says EMGs may account for anywhere between 1.4% and 100%. So they might account for 100%, but they do account for that. Seems like you're nitpicking. Yes, it might account for 100%. Okay.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Either way, they're learning things, and they still have a very limited ability to observe. Right. So the James Webb Telescope is so much better than the Hubble, so much better than anything else they've lost before. So they're finding new things out, but it's still limited in its capacity to see the universe. It can't see everything yet. So they'll probably have an even better one, that they'll launch and that will show us even more that we didn't know. And we're operating on a limited amount of data, and we're operating with this conviction that they're 100% correct.

[Danny Jones]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

About these timelines.

[Danny Jones]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And just the. Just these mature galaxies that existed where they shouldn't exist is enough to know that we don't know everything. And then this whole dark matter, dark energy thing, it's like, what is it? You can't even. What do. You don't even know what it is.

[Danny Jones]

What then we. Well, we figured out that that dark matter actually is mass, right. And has gravitational effects like they were. They were. I forget who it was, but they. They were observing galaxies and they were looking at the spin rate of the galaxies, and they found out that the center of the galaxy, it should be spinning faster than the outer rim of it. Right? But they found out that the spin rate is identical, which means that what they. What they theorized is that dark matter, the mass of the dark matter around the galaxy, has lots of mass, and it's flattening the spin rate of the galaxies. Which is interesting because, like, there's this. Have you ever heard of this dude named Rolf Landauer?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Danny Jones]

He has this theory that if you weighed a hard drive after you put data on it, it would weigh more than when it was empty, Right? So, and his theory was that, like, every single hard drive server farm around the world right now, and if you weighed it, if we had measuring equipment that was sensitive enough, and you could find the difference, he thinks that all the data stored would be like a kilogram or less right now, but the rate of data increase that we accumulate each year right now is like 25%. Not equating for exponential growth. The technological singularity and how that's going to ramp up. So somebody did the math there and said it was. No, it was Jason Giorgiani who did the math on this. And he, he said if you just keep the rate flat at 25% per year of data increase across the, across The Globe In 340 years, we are going to have the mass of the moon. Moon on the surface of the Earth in data stored on hard drives.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah. So like, and the way he, the way he, like, lays this all out. I'll try to do my best. Is that the. If you look at the laws of thermodynamics, like the two laws, one that energy can never be created or destroyed, and the other one, like entropy always increases over time. Entropy, meaning disorder, it never goes down over time. Like, hence the heat death of the universe will eventually happen, happen. And so E equals MC squared, energy and mass are interconvertible. And then there was this other dude, Claude Shannon, who came up the theory that data transmission with binary bits, ones and zeros, right? So, so if computers are bound by. Tell me if you're. If I'm losing.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no.

[Danny Jones]

If, if computers are bound by the laws of entropy and hard drives are bound by the laws of entropy, that means when a computer is blank, it's very low entropy because it's all ones or it's all zeros. When you add data, when you add a podcast to it, it goes 101010. It's chaotic. Just from a pure physical perspective, it's high entropy. So what happens when you erase that hard drive? You have to, the energy has to go, has to leave. If it's mass on the hard drive. Theoretically, if. This guy's right. Lift. Rolf Landauer is right. That data on the hard drive is mass. When you erase that, it has to go to energy outside of the hard drive, right? So he says if you, but, but if you crack open a hard drive, you can't see that mass, right? It's invisible. It's electromagnetically indetectable. So he says, what other kind of mass do we know of that's electromagnetically indetectable? He said it's dark matter. So if, if, if mass is the same thing as information stored on a hard drive, that would mean not only is mass and energy interchangeable, but mass, energy and information are interchangeable, right? So if, if dark matter is mass, you could then say that dark matter is a computational cloud of ones and zeros, and our, our consciousness is an interface to that. That gives it meaning. The same way a computer Screen gives meaning to all the ones and zeros on the hard drive. Like you watch the video, it give. It has meaning.

[Joe Rogan]

So this is the concept that consciousness engages with matter, and that is how matter exists. That exists because you're observing it.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. The only region. Yeah. Consciousness is. Is fundamental to an information processing system. So instead of building up to, like, what physicists, what people try to do is build up to consciousness from dead atoms, protons and neutrons. Right. You. How do you get to consciousness from that? But if you think of this as like a computational cloud of ones and zeros and mass does equal information, well, that just means that our conscious, our consciousness is a way to interface and give this simulation mean meaning. And funny enough, that that theory really reconciles well with like, parapsychology and like Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance. Like when you solve one problem in one. One part of the world, and then like, somebody breaks a world record in this country, and then five years, you know, a year later, five other people hit that same world record. Yeah, it's like conserving energy, the processing system conserving energy.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a guy, there's a scientist that. That he found computational code. What did he. You know, you remember this guy, Jamie, that he believes that he found computational code that proves that, like, the universe is a simulation. But this guy, I tried to get him to come on the podcast, but he said I was anti science because the COVID vaccine stuff. This is a few years back, though. Maybe he's kind of woken up and changed his tune. I doubt it, though. A lot of people got indoctrinated. That's anti science. Like actual data is anti science. What is. Whose data? Whose data are you going by? We could have a conversation about that if you like. I'll show you some things.

[Danny Jones]

You can have a great conversation. Yeah, I think you've said everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Have a seat, Have a seat. Let's go over some studies.

[Danny Jones]

Is this the dude?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's the guy. So what was his. So this guy won't come on my show because he says I'm anti science. Symmetry, super gravity. Yes. And. But what is. Is this discovery that he had?

[Danny Jones]

Oh, he's from Tampa. Oh, born in Tampa.

[Joe Rogan]

He found. And what was the supposed discovery about the computational code? What did it say? Are we living in a computer simulation? Yeah, this is it. James Gates, theoretical physicist, the University of Maryland. Autocorrecting codes. Click. Click on that, Jamie. Scientific American article. Oh, I could just read it right from there, I guess. Explored mathematical structure. Of string theory, specifically in the context of supersymmetry, and has found what he describes as error correct correcting codes embedded within the equations. These codes are mathematical objects similar to those used in computer science for error detection and correction, such as in data transmission. While these findings are intriguing, it's important to note that they are not literal computer code, but rather mathematical structures that share similarities with coding theory. Yeah, it's important to learn that. But that's crazy.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Rogan]

All of it is crazy. But James Gates, as of, I think two years ago, wasn't willing to come on the podcast and talk about it.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, if I had a dollar for every person who said they wouldn't come on my podcast because it's too pseudo scientific, I would have like $5.

[Joe Rogan]

Why not? Why not come on and illuminate people?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, I had this, this. There's. I don't want to say who she is, but like this lady who had this amazing book on like the Greek weapons and poisons that they used to use for war. Like they used to like drop scorpions over a amazing book. Like they used to light pigs on fire and like send them towards elephants, try to get the elephants to run away and like, wow, throw bags of scorpions on people. And I'm like, this book is amazing. I need to get this lady and she's. We're not, we're not, we're not too. We're not academic enough, I guess, but I'm trying to get there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but what does that mean? What does it mean? We're just human beings having a conversation. You're the academic, come in and tell me what you know. Yeah, what's the big deal?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, you do a great job of like having both sides in which I think is really cool. Like you have like the crazy fringe people who are like educated, self educated, but are very smart in a certain way, and then other people who like have the, the academic credentials to sort of like be a sounding board for that and to see like who's really full of shit.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you have to have all. Because there are some people that are, they're self taught, They've essentially just read shit, tons of books and they're brilliant people. And just because they're not classically educated doesn't mean they're incorrect. And there's only one way to find that out. Guys like Randall Carlson, he's a builder, okay? But the knowledge that he has about the impact theory, the younger Dryas impact theory and what probably ended the ice age and shaped a great Part of North America and how you could see it from space. And you can see, when they look at the satellite imagery, it literally looks like things have been washed away. It looks like massive water erosion. Like you can see the ripples on the ground that are akin to what it looks like when the top hide pulls back on the sand on a beach. Yeah, it's. It all makes sense. And he knows so much about the actual science behind it. And he was talking about this a long time ago. I met him in Georgia, in Atlanta. That's where he's from. I met him in like 2003 or something like that. 2002. 2000. He was telling me about it back then, but back then they didn't have the core samples that showed that there was significant impact evidence. That was around, I think it was 11,800 years ago and then again somewhere around 10,000 plus years ago. So we, I think we've been hit multiple times and I think he's 100% right about that. And I think Graham Hancock is 100 onto something with these, all this ancient apocalypse stuff. And the pushback against him is insane. They throw every terrible phrase at him they possibly can. Every pejorative, racist, white supremacist, all, all these crazy things.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, I had Flint Dibble on my podcast. We talked about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Fascinating.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, he's great. He's. I actually liked him.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a nice guy. When he's not calling you a race.

[Danny Jones]

When he's not in front of a keyboard.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, well, he, he, you know, he's a anxiety filled academic who is, you know, fighting very hard to push his very specific view of things. And he tries to silence other people that have opposite opposing views. News. And the way he did it with Graham was really not cool. It was. No, it was shitty. It was very shitty.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, no, I think he was, I think he had a lot of like, interesting, legitimate things to say about like ancient Greeks and stuff like that. But like, when we got to this stuff, it was just like, where did that dude I was talking to 30 minutes ago go? He was just like, he was looking at this and then all reason just flew out the window. Yeah, he was like, he was like, what do you mean they couldn't do this? They stick a stone in there, they spin it around like this and then you can get this. It's really easily. How dare you say that the, that the dynastic Egyptians weren't able to create these vases. I'm like. And I, you know, I was like proposing other Theories that, like, you know, Chris Dunn's Jeffrey Drums theories and wanted absolutely nothing to do with it. And like, we don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

This is the thing.

[Danny Jones]

That's the thing. Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

If. If Christopher Dunn had been teaching this in the 1800s and people had. Had followed those theories and built upon them, and this was academic, like in universities, this was accepted and this was what they were teaching and they were studying this, then he would be saying that. They would all be saying that there's ample evidence that. He's got a good point. That Christopher Dunn, the model that he uses when he's describing how he thinks that the Great Pyramid of Giza was a power plant, is fascinating. When he's talking about the ratios that you would need for the width of the walls, the surfaces, what, the way the things are made, that would all work. He's an engineer, he's not a moron. He knows what he's talking about. If this guy was teaching this stuff a long time ago and it was accepted by universities, that would be what we're talking about today. We'd be speculating how they did it and what they were doing and what they were doing it for. And if we had known in the 1800s that we regularly travel into a comet storm and that it happens, I think it's every June and November, we pass through the. The. You know, when we see it in the sky, we see meteor showers. You know, you see, oh, look at the sky. Look at all the shooting stars. We're. We're in a fucking shooting gallery. And occasionally one of those slams into the earth.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And when that stuff happens, we're fucked. And it's super likely that that happened multiple times during human history. And it's super likely that that's why there's all these structures that nobody can explain.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

That are somehow or another predate modern civilization. Like Gobekli Text Tepe that them all up. Because before go back le Tepe, they had this 6,000 year model.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Mesopotamia, Sumer. That's where it all started.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Now they're like, well, maybe it's Turkey. Maybe Turkey was the birthplace. I mean, Jimmy Corsetti's been talking about this a lot.

[Danny Jones]

And I understand, like, where they're coming from. From the. I, like, I can see their point of view from the academics. Not that I would act like them or like condone the way they act, but like, when you spend your life. Flint, for example, like, I think his parents were archaeologists, named him Flint because of archaeology. And like, you spent your whole life Mucking through these different places, excavating, digging up rocks or whatever he was doing. Never. And no one ever paid attention to you. And then you have Graham Hancock come in, who is, like, personally fascinated by these things and dedicating his life to writing and researching on his own, but not accredited academically. You can see, like, how those guys would. How those academic guys would be, like, super salty of somebody like her. I understand that.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I get it.

[Danny Jones]

It's not an excuse for. For what he did, which I think was shitty, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's not an excuse, but, like, I understand their perspective, but it's ego driven.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If we really were interested, you would take these heterodox scientists and you'd bring them in and you would say, like, what do you like these. They're studying data guys like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson. They're studying. They're studying these things. Graham was just in Iraq. He just was going over there to look at, like, ancient Sumerian stuff, you know, he sent me some photos of his trip. He said it was fat. Fascinating. Wow. Yeah, it's. These structures are incredible. And they don't really understand them. We really don't. We don't even know, like, who really built the Aztec temples. You know, like, I was reading about Tenochtitlan. Like, they found it. The Aztecs found that there, and they don't even know who built it.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a bunch of those things. Like a previous civilization existed in the same place. Fascinating discoveries. Figured out how to do agriculture, figured out how to make grids and cities and make these incredible stone structures that are cosmologically connected somehow. And then they went away. Yeah. Like all over the world. All over the world, there's like, people reinvent civilization. The places where these ancient structures exist and even build upon them, they build over them.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. I think there's probably so much shit that people were able to do in antiquity and way before that that would seem like magic to us today. Like, kind of of like getting back to what we were talking about with our senses that we don't really have today that probably have atrophied over millennia. Like your fart theory, which is amazing. Remember? You remember your fart theory?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, how's that going?

[Danny Jones]

Imagine if somebody farted and you didn't have a nose and you haven't developed this nose that enables you to survive and smell predators, fire. You have no idea. You're sitting there bathing in somebody's fart.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Danny Jones]

So like. And so like dogs, you. Dogs and cats, when they Go into weird houses and they notice like some sort of weird energy. You know, people describe energy in a house like this is. This feels off. Like what is that? Like, is there. Is there something that really is there that we just don't have the organs anymore to detect or something in our brain that is atrophied over thousands of years that have stopped us being able to detect this stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, think about how birds can. They can figure out a way to travel like super accurately through the sky, but drawn by the magnetic force of the earth.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They have. Somehow or another they can they figure out a way to navigate with the Earth's magnetic field. We don't even understand it, but they do it. They migrate successfully every year. We know they do it. Yeah, that. That's a sense that they have that we don't have. Like, it's probably a fun. A fucking shit ton of. There's probably a bunch of things going on in the world that we're not interacting with. With because we don't have the senses for.

[Danny Jones]

Right? Yeah. And you know, one of the things that I've been like really interested in lately is this. I mean, people talk about this ability to like download information like in the UFO world, you know, like people talk about, oh, I got this from a download or something like that. Talk about like I have an antenna. I can connect to something. But like for me, like that connected. When I first heard about people talking about that, I always thought that that was like the muse, you know, like you have this sort of antenna in your head that connects you to creativity and gives you the ability to just create out of thin air, you know. And I feel like over with people I've observed over my lifetime. I feel like that peaks at an early age right before you get older and before you start the burden of the responsibilities of life and all these mundane things in your life start to compile on and you trade your dreams for securities that that spark starts to go away, you know? And like that could easily be described as something magical if it was way more powerful thousands of years ago. Like, I really noticed this the other day. So I was. The other day I was hanging out with. With Kirk, the lead guitars for Metallica. And he was, for some reason, I don't know why, but he's likes my show. And we were just like, you got a great show. We were talking. Thank you. I appreciate it. It's weird. I feel like an imposter.

[Joe Rogan]

That's good. That's why you're good at it.

[Danny Jones]

But he Loves this stuff. The dude's like, you know, he's in his 60s, like early 60s, and he's obsessed with all of these topics that like that you cover. I cover a lot of people cover. And he's like, at the same time he's. The dude is like got this crazy spark where he's so inspired to do shit and like still creating new music and like coming up with new riffs and. And wanting to do more things where like, I've never met a dude like that who's had so much success. Toured everywhere for the last 40 years. Being the number one metal band in the world basically and still like wanting to learn stuff. The dude's trying to translate ancient Greek music for his guitar and trying to figure out how to play this stuff. He can't figure it out. And he was telling me, he's like, dude, I think this wasn't recreational. He's like, I think this music was magical. He's like, I think they were performing magic. Magic. He thinks it was like religious medical rights. They were performing with music. It wasn't supposed to be entertainment back in the day.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there is this weird connection with music and psychedelics where music can sort of changes the trip. Like if, if you listen to. Do you know what Ikaros are?

[Danny Jones]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Ikaros are these. Hook it up J. Ikaros are these South American songs that they play while you're doing ayahuasca. And if you do DMT and listen to these things, they take over the trip and the song, the trip moves with the song in harmony. Like. Exactly. It's not like the trip is chaotic and you hear the songs and these songs are like a technology to move the trip. It's really fascinating because you listen to the songs and you're like, well, what are these things? Like what are they trying to do with these things? They sound kind of weird. But when you listen to these songs while you're tripping, it makes the trip dance. It makes the geometric pattern. So you are lying on the floor. It's Costa Rica. You're lying on a yoga mat in the jungle with a bunch of 40 year old ladies with boob jobs trying to get their life together.

[Danny Jones]

Tech entrepreneurs.

[Joe Rogan]

Tech entrepreneurs. Navy seals.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you just threw up, you have horrible diarrhea and this trip just starts coming on.

[Danny Jones]

I think I just found Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

Give me a little more. Something that would like a little more beat to it. I got some on my phone.

[Danny Jones]

I heard the one that, you know, you had Luke on recently. Luke Cavern.

[Joe Rogan]

He's great.

[Danny Jones]

He had a great. A great little clip that he played.

[Joe Rogan]

Here we go. This is my favorite one. They dance. They dance to this song while you're tripping balls. You know, the Psychedelic experience dances to this song when you're lying there with your eyes closed. And the whole time it's. It's like synchronized together. And the whole time is doing. It's like. It's like a method for showing you more things. And as you go through it with the music, there's something comforting in the pattern of the music and the way it dances to the music that allows you to relax and unveils more and more of itself. It's very trippy. And the fact that these guys figure this out. How'd you figure this out?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's your. Your friend is probably right. The Metallica guy's probably right. Yeah, it's probably. They were probably. That music probably synchronized with the trips. Like when they were doing the Illicit Mysteries.

[Danny Jones]

That's what they. Yeah. When I went to their concert in Tampa the other day and I was walking, I made me regret not going to work concerts when I was younger. But like, like being in that stadium, the. The Buck Stadium, where there was 90,000 people. Every seat in that arena was full.

[Joe Rogan]

And you hear.

[Danny Jones]

Well, it goes black.

[Joe Rogan]

There it is. Lightning strike happens.

[Danny Jones]

Insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this lightning strike.

[Danny Jones]

An earthquake.

[Joe Rogan]

They're actually, I mean, super dangerous. But that was bad ass.

[Danny Jones]

That is insane. Ride the lightning.

[Joe Rogan]

That's so dangerous, dude.

[Danny Jones]

Being there with 90,000 people. The light, the thundering electric guitars and the, the, the. The fire, the pyrotechnics and all those people, like focusing like all 90,000 people. Every atom in their body is vibrating at the same frequency. Yeah. And it just like that is. It's like magic that penetrates every fiber of your being. And if I was a dude from 2000 years ago and took a time machine to that Metallica concert. Those dudes are gods, right? They're gods. I think that's what the Lucinian mysteries probably was.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they probably had music that. That enhanced the trip. It probably guided the trip and they probably learned how to do it while they were tripping. Like they figured out so much. They figured out democracy. They started so much of what we think of as like Western government.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. And the scientific method. Democracy, all this stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Tripping balls. And then the Romans came along and said, put, stop. We're here to make slaves out of you people. We don't want you tripping.

[Danny Jones]

Right. Yeah, that was. Yeah. They killed they killed elusives in like what, 400 A.D. i think.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they did exactly the same things the Nixon administration did to psychedelics in this country. They're like, oh, this is a problem. Problem. When they were turning everything schedule one to try to stop the anti war movement and the civil rights movement. That's exact same thing. Like governments, when they get to a certain position of power, they're not representing the people anymore. Now they're, now they're the jack booted thugs that tell you what you can and can't do based on how inconvenient it is for you to be doing that for them running things.

[Danny Jones]

Right. Yeah, it's just, it's terrible. It's the opposite of what it should be. It's the opposite of what got, it's the opposite of what got us here. I think, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, I had, we're too big now, there's too many of us. That's part of the problem. It's like you want to govern 330 million people plus Mexicans. Good luck.

[Danny Jones]

I had this dude on my show speaking of the academic, the strife between the academics and the self taught online people, influencers, whatever you want to call them, this dude was, he was kicked out of his university for he first of all, he wrote a dissertation on ancient pharmacy, the Roman pharmacy, pharmacy and Greek pharmacy. And it was a dissertation based on this guy named Galen who was like the surgeon general of ancient Rome. And he had a chapter in his dissertation, his PhD dissertation about recreational drugs in Rome. And the head of the department reviewed his dissertation and said everything looks great. Delete the section on recreational drugs in ancient Rome. So he's like, okay, why? They're like, because the Romans wouldn't do such a thing. So he's like, okay. He deleted it and then submitted it, got his PhD and then wrote a book based on that part of the dissertation that he left out, which the book was called the Chemical Muse. And I learned about this from Hamilton Morris. He did a podcast with the dude first. And I read that book and you know, he was basically making the case that drugs were ubiquitous in anti in antiquity during the Roman times. Like they were being used for everything because people were not dying from old age, they were dying from war. War, hand to hand combat, famine, plague, infection, all these things, infection. So like people were, were constantly using drugs and there was a law in ancient Rome that he said there was only one law when it came to using drugs and that was that you, that was that you were not allowed to kill people with drugs. You were not allowed to murder people, which is why Marcus Aurelius was using this drug compound called a theac. And the thec was a concoction of like 11 different North African vipers. Their flesh and their venom comp combined with opium and all kinds of like body bodily fluids. And he was using this as like a performance enhancing drug. Whoa. Because people were trying to assassinate him with poisons. That's how they assassinated people. They were using scorpions, poisons, arrows, all like, all different kinds of weird things to sneak in and kill him. So he was drinking this. The act to build up his immune system system against the vitam, against the. The. The venoms. And dude, he. This dude Galen, who wrote about this, he was talking about giving. He was Marcus Aelis's physician. And he was like, marcus Aelis? It's like, it's getting ridiculous. It's getting annoying. I keep having to up his opium dose. He keeps using more and more opium. I can't get him off of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Jones]

And so Galen, the physician, the surgeon general of the Roman Empire under Marcus Aurelius and Nero, I think basically equates to 10% of all the Greek literature from antiquity. 10% of it is medical. And this dude that wrote this dissertation based it all off Galen is talking about all these drug compounds that are used and all the literature. So what he does is he looks at all the ancient literature literature from. From Homer to, you know, like 800 to like the time that Beowulf was written, basically 80. And he's like, finding all of this evidence of crazy drug use. And he has this crazy theory also that. I don't know if it's crazy. I don't know. The problem, like, with. With talking to people like that, him, like him, is that I don't know ancient Greek. I can't read it right. And I try to have. I've tried to have like four or five academics come on the show to like, refute him, but they won't come on with him. They all refuse to debate him, except for one guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Why?

[Danny Jones]

Because he's saying Christ is a drug.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I saw that video.

[Danny Jones]

Oh, yeah, you saw the whole thing.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I saw that video pop up. My YouTube. My Danny Jones going crazy. What is he doing? Christ is a drug. But that's also what John Marco Allegro.

[Danny Jones]

Alleges, kind of, sort of.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he said that the ancient Sumerian word for a mushroom. No, for Christ is a mushroom that's covered in God's semen.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because the mushrooms would come out of the ground. And they thought the rain was God coming on the earth. And that's where, you know, that's what gave life to the earth. And then they would take these mushrooms and see God.

[Danny Jones]

Right? Yeah. I don't know much about John Marco Allegro, but I think that I read his book.

[Joe Rogan]

Book?

[Danny Jones]

The.

[Joe Rogan]

The Sacred Mushroom.

[Danny Jones]

Sacred Mushroom in the Cross.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

He was like, using Sumerian roots or something to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls. But this guy's basically saying the word Christ. The word. The, the, the root of the word Christ is Hio in Greek. Right. And it was used since Homer. And there's all these passages which he's. This dude sent me. I've literally, I, I, I call him all the time and I ask him. I'm like, I need more evidence. Send me more. And he sends me passages for. From, like, ancient literature. Homer, that's translated with the English directly under it. And they're using this word Christ as a term for applying drugs to people in antiquity.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Danny Jones]

Like Christing arrows with poisons. Right. It's like.

[Joe Rogan]

And, and what year was this where they were doing this back all the.

[Danny Jones]

Way to, like, 800 B.C. was when Homer starts using it.

[Joe Rogan]

So they're using this term before Christ.

[Danny Jones]

Way before Christ it was. Well, so to be clear, in antiquity, if you look it up on the thesaurus, the actual, like, Greek thesaurus, it's called the tlg, and you look up the word Christ, there's. There's over 200, 200,000 or more uses of the word Christ. And there's like 350 times where it's used in the context of drugs before Jesus Christ is ever written about.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Danny Jones]

And what he's, he's, what he's basically claiming is that there's, like, it's, it's the, the process of applying something. Like, there's, there's different contexts. Like, there's a guy who, like, Christed himself in cow. There's people who are Christing ships with plaster to make them more waterproof. But there's a vast majority of literature, including Galen, who writes about Christing using drugs. And he's coming up with this controversial theory, which is, you know, super controversial, that Christ was like. If you think of the word Christ, a person can be a Christer, like a Christ. Like, think of Bob the Builder. He's a builder. He builds Christ was. They called him Jesus the Christ. So he thinks Christ was somebody who was involved with drugs, taking drugs, giving people drugs, performing, pouring magic. Like a shaman. Shaman, yeah, exactly. Similar to that. And like, by the way, a real.

[Joe Rogan]

Shaman would say all the things that Jesus said.

[Danny Jones]

Yes, you know, that's a good point. So. And it gets, like, it gets way weirder, bro. And again, like, I. This is all according to him. I don't know if any of this is real. I just find it fascinating. And I wish I could find somebody who really knows the Greek to debate this dude and call him out in his, but I can't. The only person I've found was an exorcist who's done like 10,000 exorcisms on Skype.

[Joe Rogan]

A Skype exorcist.

[Danny Jones]

Skype Exorcist.

[Joe Rogan]

That sounds like a scam and a half.

[Danny Jones]

And he came in and they were just arguing about it for a little while, and the guy tried to baptize me with holy oil. And, you know, I got into an argument with him about drugs.

[Joe Rogan]

He tried to baptize you?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, he brought holy oil and he tried to baptize me with the holy oil.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you say why he was doing this?

[Danny Jones]

Because he thinks that I. He thinks that Satan is inside of me.

[Joe Rogan]

Me of you.

[Danny Jones]

Of me? Yeah. And which he might be.

[Joe Rogan]

What did. What evidence did he have that Satan was inside of you?

[Danny Jones]

Because I like to consume drugs recreationally. And I was telling him, if Satan is drugs, if I can smoke marijuana and it's prescribed by a doctor, is it still Satan? He goes, no, don't play those games with me. And I'm like, well, how come every time I get really, really bombed, I think about things like spending more times with my kids and things like, good things, like, yeah. And he's like, don't try to patronize me. You know what it is? It's the devil.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's a fool.

[Danny Jones]

Oh, yeah, that's like. That's a problem. Like, this guy's a show is to show a showman.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, cannabis was used in churches. They used to, you know, the incense, where they would go around, they would. That was cannabis. They would use that.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Get everybody in the church high and fumigate it. Yeah. They would literally hot box the church. And this is a part of this whole ritual of, you know, giving in to Christ, giving in to God.

[Danny Jones]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

This. The idea that it's bad because some people have bad experiences, man. You could apply that to almost anything. I think marijuana makes people more compassionate, kinder, more sensitive, but also paranoid. You could freak out if you're riddled with anxiety and you have a hard time controlling that anxiety in your mind. And you, you Take a high dose of marijuana, you could freak out.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also connected to schizophrenia because I think there's people that have a tendency towards schizophrenia anyway, and then a large dose of marijuana tends to give them psychotic breaks. There's, like, real literature. There's real, real evidence of that. So this is, like, important that if you're a person who thinks that marijuana is overall net positive, which I do, it's important to talk about the negatives. Just like everything else, like alcohol, food, everything, there's a lot of different things that if you do, if you drink too much water, you'll die. Okay.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of things that aren't good for you under certain circumstances, but the only way we know how to do it and how not to do it is to do studies. And when it's illegal and you're terrified, you can go to jail, or if you're an academic and you want to study this as your main thing, you just get dismissed. It could be career suicide. Right. So these people are foolish.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. And that's the problem. Like, like, this was the only dude I could get to agree to come sit with him because this Guy had a YouTube channel. He wanted to promote himself and all this stuff. But, like, a lot of the academics, I talked to a lot of Harvard philologists to try to come debate this guy. And like, the philologists, like, there's a difference between a linguist, which I think Marco Leger was, and a philologist, where the linguists look at the actual, like the, the complexities of the text itself and the language. But the philologists, what they do is they're looking for context. So, like, they, what they do is they take words, words, and they try to figure out what these specific words meant in certain time periods. So they take a word, take their time machine back. Let's take it back to 200 BC, 100 BC whatever it is. And they say, okay, let's just use the example of the word Rio. Christ. Let's look at all of the corpus of all the literature that existed in the library, Library of Alexandria. There was ancient Comedy, ancient play.

[Joe Rogan]

What did you say there? The, the word free. What did you say?

[Danny Jones]

Say Rio. Rio. Yeah, that's the. It's like, it's spelled X, R, I O, but it's pronounced like Rio.

[Joe Rogan]

And that was the original word for Christ.

[Danny Jones]

The original word for Christ is Rio. Yeah. Oh, and I've had people, like, confirm this with me. And I, I, I recently had a scholar on the show, a religious scholar who turned atheist Weirdly enough, he started out Christian and turned atheist. And he was telling me, he's like, I'd be surprised if the word Creole was ever used before, before Christ. And I literally pulled up the source of Euripides talking about using Christing drugs in like, I think it was 200 BC and the dude was like blown away.

[Joe Rogan]

So he didn't know that.

[Danny Jones]

He didn't know it. And this dude's like a serious academic.

[Joe Rogan]

So this guy that you had on your podcast, what is his name again? The Christ a drug guy.

[Danny Jones]

Amen Hillman.

[Joe Rogan]

Amen Hillman.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's a legit scholar.

[Danny Jones]

He's a legit scholar.

[Joe Rogan]

PhD and other legit scholars are unwilling to even entertain this. Yes.

[Danny Jones]

I've talked to many of them on the phone and a lot of them say they don't want to give him. I won't name the people, but one of them said that they, they just don't want to give him the platform or the credibility of being in the same room. Other people say that it would just take too much time for them to prep for it. And I just think it's a bull. I just think it's like, I. This is the only way to get to the truth is to hear like a credible person dismantle his argument. Right, Right. So like I have it. I just keep falling deeper and deeper into this rabbit hole of all this crazy ancient Greek. And like, you know, he's talking about ancient like vaccines that they were using, like similar to what we're talking about, the theriac. He says that there's text that talks about cutting kids, cutting children, soaking bandages and drug and vet in snake venoms and wrapping the cut with a snake venom so that the young person would create antibodies because they have more robust immune systems because they're younger. And they would use that, the kids bodily fluid as vaccines to snake bites. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they're making kids into vaccine factories.

[Danny Jones]

They were turning kids into vaccine factories.

[Joe Rogan]

So that they get snake venom because.

[Danny Jones]

Everyone was getting bitten by snakes back, of course. And then they would take drugs too. Like they would, I'm sure they take psychotropic drugs that would. And they would call them death inducing drugs where they would have snake venoms. They would like take snake venom drugs that if you don't have an antidote for it, an antichrist for it, that you would die. Die. So you have to take this antidote so you don't die from the drug you just drank. Right. These antidotes. And like he connects this all to Jesus in this elaborate way where there's Mark 14:53, where Jesus is caught in the garden of Gethsemane with the naked boy, right? And then there's a scene of the, the young boy running away naked, right? When the, when the, when the Roman SWAT team pulls up on him. And then the little kid runs away, he goes, oh, I'm not, I'm not a, a. I'm not a trafficker, I'm not a robber or whatever the word lace days means, means like pirate, trafficker, robber. And then they take him and then he's on the cross the next day and he's like screaming out like, dying of thirst in between two traffickers. And he's asking. And there's this dude Nonus, who writes about this scene specifically in ancient Greek, and he talks about them giving, trying to give him the sponge. And he's denying the sponge. Sponge, right. So the sponge, Nonus is writing about this, that the sponge is the antidotone to the dip sauce, which is the antidote to the North African viper. But he's refusing to take the antidote. He's just dying because he took this Death inducer at 4am in the park in the garden of Gethsemane and now he's just going to let himself die on the cross. So, like, yeah, there's that. I don't know. I don't know what to make of any of it. It make of this stuff. I just, you know, I hear people saying that it's all. But like, is it interesting?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, bizarre that they use the term Christ before Christ. Yeah, just bizarre.

[Danny Jones]

It's been used. Yeah, you can look it up. It's used all throughout Homer, Euripides, all these other authors. Like, there's like, again, getting back to the philology stuff. The philologists, they go back in time and they look at the context of all of the literature, not just, not just the biblical canon, which is like a narrow lane of ancient literature. Right. But they're looking at the philosophy, the, the, the, the legal texts, the medical texts, everything, and saying, okay, let's take this word, look where it's used in all of these different texts throughout all kinds of professions, and see what the consensus is of what it meant during that time period. And what he's claiming is that the word Christ meant drugs back then.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, whoa. Pretty banana.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's so hard to know what all that stuff was about. It's so hard to know why these people wrote these things down. You know, when I had Wes Huff on.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

One of the things he talked about is the book of Isaiah when you see it in the Dead Sea Scrolls. And then a thousand years later, it's verbatim a thousand, a thousand years after the Dead Sea scroll. The version that they find of the book of Isaiah is word for word.

[Danny Jones]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. A thousand years. Like what were they trying to document? Like what were the original stories? Because like human beings are not a good source of information, especially back then. It's just too hard to be accountable. Why would you be honest? People make grandiose claims, they exaggerate. We see it today, it's like humans today are the same as humans back then. We're flawed. So we know today that our versions of history are deeply biased. Our versions of world events, our versions of. I mean, if the United States government could write the story about the invasion of Iraq without investigative journalists. Right. What would be the story? And this is part of the problems. Like we don't really know what they were trying to say. It was an oral history for who knows how long before they ever wrote down the Old Testament.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. And it got redacted and added to over time. There's like all kinds of weird secret gospels, secret gospel of movies Mark that they claim that this dude Morton Smith came up with, which was similar to almonds theories. But then, you know, people say, oh, that's a forgery. It's a forgery. The secret gospel. If the secret gospel of Mark's a forgery, that he knew Greek really well and he knew the culture really well and all the cults, you know. And like, dude, like you know, even like the mysteries of, of the hospitals in ancient Rome, like the, the temples of Asclepius and doing all those rituals in the, the temples of Asclepius using medicine and drugs simultaneously and these, these venoms. And all this stuff is, it's interesting to learn, you know, and especially when you compare that stuff to the biblical stuff, you know, like how much has it been changed? How much has the meaning been changed? And like the people, most of the academics who study this stuff stuff are maybe not most of them, but a large major, a large percentage of them I think that I've talked to, they're religious scholars, scholars of the Bible and Christianity, but they also subscribe to Christianity, you know, so I'm like, there is that like a, it's weird that there's kind of like a built in bias into this stuff. You kind of want this stuff to mean something.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Danny Jones]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, for sure. And that was what was interesting about Allegra. John Marco Allegro was an ordained minister who once he became a theologian, a theologist theologian rather, once he studied theology, he started to have agnostic thoughts. And so when he was one of the deciphers of the Dead Sea Scrolls, when he was on the committee, he was agnostic at the time. So he had already decided through his study of all these different religions that maybe he wouldn't subscribe to any of them and leave an open mind.

[Danny Jones]

Mind.

[Joe Rogan]

So he was the only person on the commission that was deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls over a period of like 14 million or 14 years, rather he studied this stuff. He was the only one who was agnostic. And again, his claims are widely dismissed by many, many people.

[Danny Jones]

But I think, yeah, this dude Amond thinks he's full of.

[Joe Rogan]

Does he? What does he think?

[Danny Jones]

He just, he, he, he, he was like, came up under this, under like, some of the top classical scholars of like, modern times. One of those dudes is Carl Ruck. He wrote the Road to Elusive. And this other guy's John Scarborough, who's dead now. And for some reason, none of them, whenever I ask him about Allegra, like, I don't know, they don't pay attention to it for some reason.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think you would have to be a real scholar in biblical languages to even understand what the he's saying.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And to be able to translate ancient Sumer. Yeah, ancient Sumerian. According to Wes Huff, he's like, I tried. I couldn't even figure it out how to do it.

[Danny Jones]

Also, how does ancient Sumerian connect to Hebrew?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Danny Jones]

Is there any correlation between ancient Sumerian and ancient Hebrew? Do they share any roots? Is there any. Are there any bridges that connect those two languages? I have no idea.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know either. But, you know, you're dealing with if, if it really goes back that far. So if he's talking about this term from ancient Sumer, where they are calling it a drug, they're saying it's a mushroom. And this is from 5,000 years ago, 6,000 years ago. You know, you're predating the Bible by a long stretch. And how old was that? I mean, if they're right about Turkey, and Turkey was the original civilization, like, when is that? Is that 12,000 years ago? What is the real date of Egypt? What is the real date of the original structures of Egypt? Do they know? I mean, we're told it's 2,500 BC for the great Pyramid, but boy, there's a lot of people that don't agree with that, including geologists. When you get guys like Robert Schock who say, like this water erosion is thousands of years of rainfall. Last time you had a heavy rainfall in the Nile Valley, you're looking at 9,000 years ago.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So you have thousands of years of rainfall before 9,000 years ago. That's going to create this kind of erosion. And so it's hard to know because everybody wants to be right. And they all, they all have this date that they've been talking about and writing books about and giving lectures about, about. They never want to revise that. They gatekeep that information until the day. They never want to have an open mind and say, perhaps there's this. There is evidence, of course, that there was a sophisticated civilization there 2,500 BC, but maybe they were a part of a very old civilization. And this is the Zep Tepe thing that Zawi Hawass was totally ignorant of and he thought it was just completely. And this is the Kingsland list that goes back 30,000 years that they, they talk about. And the way Egyptologists that are conventional thinkers, they. They think that it's mythology, they think that's myth. But, you know, you get to about 2500 BC, that's all real. Well, how the do you know?

[Danny Jones]

Right. They don't.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't. And also, if. If there was an advanced civilization 11,800 years ago that was 18 able to create Gobekli Tepe, which we know now to be true, what else have we not found?

[Danny Jones]

Right. Was it a breakaway civilization? Did they escape the Earth and go to the moon?

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right.

[Danny Jones]

Or like they're trying to do now.

[Joe Rogan]

Or, you know, was it just that they had achieved a very high level of sophistication in technology? That's very different from the path that we took.

[Danny Jones]

Right, Totally.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I think. I think the path that they took involved immense stone structures, cosmology. They probably didn't have internal combustion engines. They probably had a completely different kind of technology that we wouldn't even think of because we went in this internal combustion engine, plastic, microchip, electricity. We went into that direction.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they. But you could imagine primitive man evolving to create technology that's far different than the way we went.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. Do you think we might have cracked that somewhere, like in some deep black programs that we could have that. They wouldn't want to unleash that on society because it could like, fuck up the economic system or like collapse the world.

[Joe Rogan]

I know Jesse Michaels believes that there is gravity technology that they were researching in the 1960s and that they had achieved some sort of breakthrough propulsion system. That is probably a lot of what you see when you see these UAPs and these crafts that move in very strange ways. That makes sense to me to make, I mean, and again, the idea that they couldn't keep that secret. Shut the up. Of course they could.

[Danny Jones]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Of course they could.

[Danny Jones]

There's this lady, Catherine Fitz, who's the. She was the head of the department of HUD under George Bush. And they brought her in after like the mortgage crisis to like figure out how to like restabilize the economy and what the banks were doing and all this stuff. And she was looking at like missing money. And she found that there was like. When she, when she applied her knowledge of mathematics and like what's going on with like the, the federal budget and where all the money's going. She said the most reasonable explanation, you know, how there's like $21 trillion missing from the DOD the day before 9 11. Donald Rumsfeld, like there's like two, two and a half trillion dollars, whatever it was. Now that's ballooned to like $21 trillion. And she thinks that, you know, pull up the split the spreadsheet, see where that money went up. It's not on the receipt. I don't know where it went. She thinks it went to like black budget, like military, black military technology, like anti gravity. And she thinks that Mr. Global, whoever that is, the bankers, the central bankers are literally using all of that money and funneling it into black projects to create a breakaway civilization in case there's like some sort of catastrophe on earth or something happens.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh God.

[Danny Jones]

And like, where are they doing this? They're doing this at Lockheed Mart. I have no idea.

[Joe Rogan]

Underground or something, maybe.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. Oh yeah. That's another thing. She says, she says there's a lot of money that's going into building all these underground, underground bases, continuity of government tunnel systems, all this stuff. And I'm looking at this, I'm like, she legit worked under the Bush administration. She was like a financial genius. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

But she could be a kook.

[Danny Jones]

She could be.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's a problem. Problem when people are super intelligent. But also crazy.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, and also had a prominent position in government, but also crazy.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, I guess there's a lot of really intelligent people that are super crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

And does she physically, has she been to these places? Like how does she know that they're real? Does she know as she talked to someone to Explain this breakaway civilization thing or she's friends theory.

[Danny Jones]

She's friends with the dude who wrote the book book that's titled Swastikas, Psyops and Saucers.

[Joe Rogan]

What? Yeah. What's that book about how the Nazis.

[Danny Jones]

Are controlling UFOs and, and PsyOps and controlling the world and you know, playing the world like it's their docu drama and, and recreating reality and inventing all this crazy off world stuff and how Roswell was Soviet Union crashing stuff here and basically it's all Nazi black budget stuff. I think is like the, the main point that.

[Joe Rogan]

Do they dismiss the idea that we're visited at all by something from somewhere else?

[Danny Jones]

I mean, who, what do you mean who?

[Joe Rogan]

Who like these people that think that it's all Nazi stuff and Soviet Union stuff.

[Danny Jones]

I don't think that they're saying it's all that, but they're probably saying, I haven't read all his books, but I think he's saying when he wrote that book it was probably all Nazis, no aliens. But now I'm sure his points, his views have evolved on it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's part of the problem too. It's like, you know, when you see these reports, when I, whenever I see like a story that's in the New York Times where the Pentagon is admitting we have, you know, there's been off world crafts and all these different things and you get these David Grush guys that are testifying about that we've recovered crashed vehicles. It's like, how much of that is a psyop?

[Danny Jones]

I think most of it.

[Joe Rogan]

I think a lot of it. Yeah, I, I don't even know know if it's, if they know it's a psyop. But if I was the government and I was working on top secret propulsion systems, the first thing I would do is spread a bunch of fake rumors about UFOs. Yes, this is how we can't explain it. We don't know we're being visited. They're super intelligent, we don't know where they're from, we don't know how they're doing this.

[Danny Jones]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

And then you have an explanation for why these people are seeing these things in the sky when it's really just your shit that you're flying around. But yet if you listen to Jacques Vallee and you read any of his books, books, he's got these stories that people were telling from the 1700s and the 1800s that mirror almost exactly the experiences that people are having today. That's where it gets weird. Because, okay, now you're predating any possibility of this being modern technology, you know, that is just hidden and tucked away. They couldn't have done that in the 1700s. There's no, they weren't. No way. They didn't even have airplanes yet. Right. Okay. Right, so if we admit that, then we have to go. Okay, well what, what's going on then? Are we. Is there something else here that's here, that's been here forever, like some people think? Or are we looking at something that's visiting us and keeping an eye on us from somewhere else? That's where it's fun. That part. That's the fun one. The fun one is not that it's ours. The fun one is that we're being visited.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. Like, and are we being visited or do they just live under the oceans?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Danny Jones]

You know, like, have they been here forever? And like, you know, there's case. Richard Dolan came on my show recently and he was telling me he wrote this new book about all the underwater cases ever documented. The underwater UFOs, US. And there's one from like the early 1700s where there was this like, ship sailing across the Pacific and this giant glowing orb came out of the ocean and these sailors all wrote about it. How this, this massive, like football stadium size glowing orb came up out of the ocean. The ocean, and like flew away. And you know, like, if we've. How much of the ocean have we explored? Like, very small, very small amount. We've explored more of the moon, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

And it would be the perfect base if you wanted to come here and observe human beings without them being able to see what's going on. That's the best place to hide because no one's going there. They don't have the capability of going there. You know, we have submarines, but I mean, what are the. I mean, if the submarines see things, do they tell us?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like if the submarine saw a UFO underwater, would they have a press conference?

[Danny Jones]

Right, exactly. No, we know about the nuclear bases above ground because those guys have come out and talked about it. But like all of the nuclear submarines that are patrolling the oceans at all times, like right off of our coast, off both coasts. Like, if they're carrying multiple nuclear warheads, I'm sure they're seeing something or they're detecting something there.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's this one video of something that was moving 500 knots under the water, like this, this thing that like flew by their camera. They don't.

[Danny Jones]

On the subject.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I forget where it was being Recorded, but it was a video of something that was like a beam of light that shot through the screen. Like you could see it moving underwater at this insane rate of speed with no ripples, no disruption of the water, just moving through the water.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then there's these trans. Medium videos, these videos of these things flying. Flying. They go into the water with no splash, no nothing, and they don't lose any momentum.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. I think the best evidence that those things have been here forever is probably like ancient stories, Biblical story, like aliens and. Or like angels and demon stuff. Like. Like before the. Yeah, Ezekiel too.

[Joe Rogan]

Right? Ezekiel in the Bible. That. That story is nuts. The wheel within a wheel. The way he's describing, like, what are you seeing?

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And imagine there's. You've no context.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine seeing something that's floating, some geometric pattern that's hovering in the sky above your head and em light and trying to explain this and then also going back and trying to remember exactly what you saw, because you're probably freaking the fuck out. You really do have some sort of an encounter with some orb that's flying in the sky. How do you even describe it? What context do you put it in? Do you describe it as an alien? Do you describe it as an angel? Do you think it's God? Like, what do you think it is?

[Danny Jones]

Right. Or is it drugs?

[Joe Rogan]

Does drugs, drugs, shoulder drugs play a part of it?

[Danny Jones]

Well, then there's like James Fox's alien from the Virginia.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Which smelled like sulfur.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Danny Jones]

And there's biblical accounts of demons smelling like sulfur and having cloven feet. So did that exactly describes that being in James's documentary.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Danny Jones]

The hospital smelled like sulfur for like a week after they said.

[Joe Rogan]

And the guy who was handling it died of a horrible infection. This is all. All documented. The guy who picked up the alien, put it in his squad car, took it to a hospital that hospital wouldn't deal with it, took it to another hospital. That. And then that guy dies of. Of a horrible bacterial infection that they can't cure with antibiotics.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. It's nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

Nuts. And then all the people, the eyewitnesses that were there that saw the thing, and when he brings the police officer to the side of the crash, the officer starts weeping uncontrollably.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Recounting the story. Unless that guy's the greatest actor of all time.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

What is going on there?

[Danny Jones]

There's the story where he walked up to the guy's house and the guy, like, pulled a gun on him. He's like, you guys come in and closer. I'm shooting you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. It's weird.

[Danny Jones]

It's weird, dude. And it's weird that, like, everyone's trying to paint their own narrative. There's different groups competing on, like, how they want to paint the UFO thing, right? You have, like, different camps of people, like in the government or in media. I don't know what the difference is.

[Joe Rogan]

And there's guys like you and I that are basically useful idiots.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

They come on our podcast and talk a lot of. And we go, I don't know. Figure it out, folks.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, we're feds. We're feds. We got the Palantir honey trap over here.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, what is that thing? That thing's all filled with Pegasus Palantir, bro. They're reading every single one of your little jot downs that you put on that. Yeah. Who knows? But if you did have some sort of, like, infinitely superior technology, and you've had it for a long time, when do you, if ever, let the public know? And how do you do. Right?

[Danny Jones]

What if you're the guy? Right? Like, how many. I don't know, how many people. People know all of the secrets, right? But if there is a handful of dudes, how do you go about living your life when you're that dude? And when you know, like, that can change the face of humanity forever, how do you go home to your wife and kids? Right? Is it like, are you living in that show? What's the show where they go up in the elevator and it wipes their mind?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, severance.

[Danny Jones]

Severance, yeah. Yeah. Is it like that? Do they have real life severance?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think so, no. I think they just rely on these people being serious. And, you know, there's the thing about Bob Lazar's story. You know, Bob Lazar lost his job because his wife was cheating on him. Because his wife thought that, you know, he couldn't tell her what he was doing. So when he was flying off to S4, he would say, I gotta go to work. And she's like, at 11 o' clock at night on a Friday, get the fuck out of here. So she starts fucking this other guy. And they were listening to his phone calls, so they had his phone tapped. And because his wife was having an affair, he was deemed to be at a risk of being emotionally instantaneous, stable. So they released him. And so then he's like, this is. And he starts telling people, hey, man, we're working on UFOs. They have a crashed UFO. I saw it. They fly it every Wednesday or whatever it was. Come, I'll show you. And so he brings people out to the test site where they can observe from one of the mountains. And then he gets arrested and then he goes public so that he doesn't get killed. This is his justification of it all.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. I used to think Bob Lazar was full of. But I've come around on it. I don't think think that anymore. After learning more about all like the disinformation and all the, all the time and money they put into just confusing people like the Paul Benowitz story, you know, I think it's. He would be the perfect candidate. Candidate to recruit just because of his background. Like, you know, his first wife committed suicide. He ran a brothel.

[Joe Rogan]

It was a nut.

[Danny Jones]

He was a nutcase dude. And he was also a perfect person. He's perfect. They could deny him so easily. Like, look at this dude's background. You think we would hire this dude?

[Joe Rogan]

And also a legitimate gene genius.

[Danny Jones]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, the guy put a rocket engine on a Honda in like 1985.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He was a nut. He converted his Corvette to a hydrogen engine.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

In like, you know, I think it was the 90s. He did that. He had a hydrogen powered Corvette that he engineered himself. See if you can find Bob Lazar's hydrogen powered Corvette. He was a nut.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, but he doesn't seem like a liar. And the podcast obviously resonates with people because I think the podcast I had with him on YouTube is the most viewed podcast that we've ever had, including Donald Trump.

[Danny Jones]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Is that true, Jamie? No. Who's number one?

[Danny Jones]

Donnie beat him.

[Joe Rogan]

Who's number one? Elon first. Elon's number one.

[Danny Jones]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

That was the one when he smoked weed.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The smoking weed really took it over the top.

[Danny Jones]

That was a good. That was a good moment. Do you smoke on all podcasts? No, no, no, just certain ones. Just certain.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So this is Bob Lazar's hydrogen powered Corvette.

[Danny Jones]

That's amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

What a kook.

[Danny Jones]

It's beautiful.

[Joe Rogan]

What a kook. I mean, who did that? This guy created a hydrogen powered Corvette. And that's an old ass Corvette too. That's a shitty one. In the 90s, if you're throwing at.

[Danny Jones]

The wall trying to figure out a new way to move planes that you might as well find people like this.

[Joe Rogan]

Homemade hydrogen powered Corvette. Look at this. Play it. Go full screen.

[Danny Jones]

Oh, this is way throwback.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I don't hear anything.

[Danny Jones]

Is this Reddit?

[Joe Rogan]

When the tank's heated, it produces hydrogen and the car burns it. So there's never much gaseous hydrogen in the system at any given time. Wow. So these are the. These are the fuel lines? No, what are these? These are the. So you can't see what they're looking at for. Here it goes.

[Danny Jones]

There you go.

[Joe Rogan]

This actually the heater in the tank and also reads back the temperature of the tank. Why is that important? Well, when you apply heat to hydride, it releases hydrogen. So as power is applied to here, it heats the hydride. Right. And then the gas comes out. The big hose is on the end. Now you have four hoses. Do they all mix into one big hose or something?

[Danny Jones]

Didn't he, like, hang out with Ed Tail? Ed Tail Teller or talk to Ed Teller?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. At a certain rate, with a certain temperature and a single tank, you can't get it out at the volume you need. So. So this guy was a legitimate genius and a propulsion expert, and that's why they brought him in to say, how does this work? And that story. He's told the same story for, you know, whatever it is now, 50 plus years or 40 years.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What is. What year was it?

[Danny Jones]

And there's a good reason, I think 85.

[Joe Rogan]

So 40, 40 years. Somewhere around 85.

[Danny Jones]

The biggest argument against him is the. Is the MIT stuff, right? Yeah, but there's something that. I'm sure.

[Joe Rogan]

But the MIT thing, though, like, look, if you're working at Los Alamos Labs and you're working on top secret stuff for the government, it's not inconceivable that you'd be educated at MIT and there wouldn't be a record of it. Especially if you're working on something that's, like, really devious. Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you what he told me off the air.

[Danny Jones]

You will?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, I can't fucking wait. Yeah. As soon as we're done, we'll wrap this up.

[Danny Jones]

No, I wanted to like, like the stuff in the stuff like the, the, like. The thing that is so astonishing to me is like, all of the brightest minds and unlimited money have gone to more and more ways to figure out how to kill people. Like the. During Operation Paperclip, during the time Bob Lazar was at Los Alamos and, and at S4, if he was at S4 or whatever was going on there, like, and, and that dude, John von Neumann, who was the mathematician, who was he. He was in. He came up the equation to who? And who, by the way, was like, the Most brilliant mathematical mind of art of. In American history. Came up with the, the equation of the perfect altitude to detonate Fat man and Little Boy to kill the most people, which is like you're using this intellect to do these kinds of things. And now there's a $21 trillion black hole in the DOD. Like, imagine what they could have. What they could have. They could have something that's probably, I mean, going way out in a limb. Conjecture, obviously. I don't know, but like my, My conspiracy mind wants to go to like, oh, my God, they have like another whole military, Air Force, Navy, that is disconnected from America, that is probably more powerful than every other country combined. Combined. That could just, you know, take over the world in an instant.

[Joe Rogan]

But can't they already wipe each other out? I mean, the. The whole world has nuclear weapons. There's nuclear weapons in how many different countries? Yeah, they all launched them simultaneously. There's no life left on Earth.

[Danny Jones]

What, what I'm saying, with the 21 trillion, they could have some weapon that would render a nuke completely irrelevant. You know, if they do have anti gravity and if they have figured out some of this crazy, crazy parapsychology stuff, the psionic stuff with the UFOs and like the mine interfacing, you know, all this just kooky stuff that you want to ease, you want to dismiss. But 21 trillion, if they were. If they were spending $50 on Stargate and they, they thought it was worth some sort of intelligence to spy on the Russians, like, how much money would they keep throwing at something if there was just a shred of possibility that it could work, and if there was evidence that, like, this works 3% of the time, and we spent a million dollars on it, let's spend a trillion dollars on it and see how much more advanced we can get and see how much more control and dominant world domination we can get.

[Joe Rogan]

One of the things Lazar said about the craft, that he was the sport model, which is that thing on the desk, that's the copy of it. One of the things that he said about it was that there was no control. Controls. When you sit inside the thing, there's no right. There's no joystick, there's no steering wheel.

[Danny Jones]

So you use your mind.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there was probably some. I mean, that's probably what we're getting to anyway. We're kind of close to that with phones now. Yeah, right. Like, how many times do you text where you don't even text. You just press the button and say, you know, text. Danny Say this and it just says it for you. Or you know, know, how old is Barbra Streisand? And it just, it gives you an instant information. You're talking to it all the time. It's like. And what's the next step? Well, the next step is you think it like you wear it and you think and it does things for you. And then as technology scales further and further, more advanced, you're going to get to a point where you can move your car with your mind. And then when you have spacecraft, of course it would be the same sort of technology. You would use technology to move the craft with your mind. Mind. You know, they already have these interfaces with fighter pilots where, where you look is where the crosshair shows up. So instead of having to like move across here with like a, like, yeah. You know, like if you're playing a video game and you're moving the mouse, you're moving the crosshair to the side, or if you're using Xbox controller, you're moving that crosshair to where you want to hit.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

The crosshair goes where their eyes go. So you're wearing this thing that knows where you're looking, looking. And they already have this kind of technology with virtual reality. They have this technology with these meta glasses that they're developing so they can, while you're, while you have this helmet on. This helmet is not simply a thing that protects your head. It's an electronic interface with the guidance system. And where your eyes look, the crosshairs go.

[Danny Jones]

Yo, did you see the LLM stuff? Trying to get soldiers to leave the battlefield in the Russia Ukraine war? No, they're using LLMs to, and they're, and the Russians are like hacking the Ukrainians phones with LLMs, reading everything on their phones, seeing how they communicate with their family and using LLMs to send messages to their phones of like their family, trying to get them to lay down their weapons and leave the war. Whoa. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. Like, where does that end up?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's what gets real weird because if you get, get if AI starts controlling all the war systems and it just has a goal and it doesn't have any ethics or morals or any concern about life or death. It just has a, it has a directive like, I want you to accomplish this. Take control of the resources in Dumbass. Do this, do that, whatever it is, just does it the most effective way possible, which could be unbelievably brutal.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. And then like even like telepathy, empathy, or like being able to communicate without words.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, Elon says that's 100 the goal of neuralink.

[Danny Jones]

Are you optimistic about that?

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not optimistic or pessimistic. I think it's inevitable.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I think we're. We're looking at what we have now as normal because it's become normal to carry around a phone with you everywhere. It's become normal to have an Apple watch on and get all your text messages on your wrist. It's become normal. Normal. And I think it's. It'll become normal to be interfaced with the great hive mind. I think we're all going to be connected with some new technology the same way we're all connected with social media and email and FaceTime videos and all that that we are now WhatsApp messages. We're all going to be connected with something that's far more technologically advanced and it'll become normal, just like this is normal.

[Danny Jones]

I just hope, like, if it does get there, when it does get there, that we can overcome come this sort of place that we've reached with social media where people are just like, spatting out whatever comes to their. To the front of their mind at any given moment or like, just like rage, impulse and, and fighting, where there's no, there's no filter, which I think has just created more and more division and miscommunication.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Like if you're. If. If me and you are just talking and we're communicating our minds back and forth, forth.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Danny Jones]

I don't know how your mind works, but my mind is like a constant hornet's nest of ideas just bouncing around everywhere. Yeah, Right. So if you could read my mind, you're going to be so goddamn confused and there's probably gonna be in there. You don't. I don't want you to know. And it's like, like to the writing process. Right. Like when you write. You know about writing more than anyone. When you write something and you try to, like, distill an idea down to like, the most profite precise, precise form to communicate it accurately to the audience. Right, Right. Like, you go through so many revisions and ref and you revise and you refine until you get it perfect so you can communicate that message to your audience. But if it's just. If it's just a direct stream of consciousness unedited, I can't imagine that would be a good thing, you know, unless you're like some, some meditative yogi that, like, has a really editorialized stream of consciousness, which I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe instead of just having access to all your thoughts. Maybe it's just simply what you're trying to communicate about your thoughts. Maybe it won't be as simple as we all have access to each other's minds. Maybe it'll just be much more. You'll be able to purely transmit your feelings and your ideas without the context of a language. Maybe we'll have to develop some sort of universal language. Yeah, yeah. Which would be, you know, the. Of type tab. Tower of Babel. Yeah, you know, I. I've made that connection. I made that connection last night. I think about Christ. Like, Christ was of a virgin birth. Like, what's more of a virgin birth than sentient super intelligence from AI?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If that becomes a being that is essentially a God and is given birth by a virgin mother. I mean, that's the story of Christ. It's just. It's just confusing. It's just confusing if you translate it over and over and over time. But if Christ is supposed to return. Return, that would be a way. Something like a God would return. It would return through artificial intelligence if it just emerged out of our creation and our insatiable desire to make new and better things.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, no, that. That. That makes a lot of sense.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, why else do we have this insane desire to have new and improved things? Because, like, isn't your phone good enough? Like, I have a Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra and I have an iPhone 6 16. They're good. They're good enough. They don't. You don't need to make a better one.

[Danny Jones]

Have you seen Westworld on hbo?

[Joe Rogan]

Huh? Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

One of my favorite.

[Joe Rogan]

Season one is amazing.

[Danny Jones]

It's the best.

[Joe Rogan]

Got a little squirrely in season two.

[Danny Jones]

It's season two and three. Yeah. Got a little squirrely for sure. But, like, one of my favorite lines in that is when he's. When Ford is talking to Bernard and. Or not Bernard, one of the ladies, one of the robots, and he's like, explaining the. The human psyche, and he's like. Like all of the greatest achievements of humanity. The. The Eiffel Tower, the statue of David, the Mona Lisa, all just elaborate. An elaborate meeting call. It's all peacock feathers.

[Joe Rogan]

Ooh.

[Danny Jones]

It's all just this desire to procreate and to. You know, it's. It's. That really got me thinking. And it's like, is that what drives human beings to do things and for. To create new things and new art?

[Joe Rogan]

Hurt.

[Danny Jones]

I always thought it was sex, but I. I think it might be that combined with the fear of death. Because we. We want to Live forever. And we want. We want to have a symbolic immortality. We want to leave something behind after we die.

[Joe Rogan]

It might not just be sex. It might just be social recognition status.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, you want to be adored as a genius.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. And there's also that painting then on the Sistine Chapel, the Creation of Adam, which is also in that movie where it shows God creating Adam and all the angels, and he's sitting inside of the perfect anatomical illustration of a human brain.

[Joe Rogan]

If you look at it, can you find that, Jamie?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. Pull up the creation of Adam, and it's got, like, the. The prefrontal cortex, the brain stem, the visual cortex. It's all there. And he's creating Adam. And, like, the point he makes in the movie is, like, the divine gift does not come from a higher power, but from the human mind.

[Joe Rogan]

That's bananas. Let me see that other image that you just had of the two of them below it. No, I'm sorry. Go back to that one and then go below it. The one that you just had.

[Danny Jones]

With the brain.

[Joe Rogan]

With the one. The brain. Yeah. The bottom right. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Look at that. That's weird, man.

[Danny Jones]

It is weird, isn't it?

[Joe Rogan]

It's pretty close. But it's also that. That it is, you know, the eye of Horus. When you look at the side section, a cross section of the pineal gland, it looks exactly like that. This weird symbology. Wait, what?

[Danny Jones]

Looks just like that.

[Joe Rogan]

The. The eye of Horus, Ancient Egyptian. Go to. So that gland, when you see it at the bottom, go to the eye of Horus. Horus, go. Pineal gland, Eye of Horus. Take out the Sistine Chapel. Yeah, there it is. So that's what the eye of Horus looks like. It looks exactly like the pineal gland. It's the same shape. There's a lot of weirdness, man.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Ancient art. Like, what were they trying to say? Like, what were they trying to document?

[Danny Jones]

It's funny, the people who, like, don't believe Jesus existed, they'll make the argument, like, imagine 2,000 years from now that people wanted to say that there was this mythical divine person and he existed, because we know there's this divine trilogy called the Lord of the Rings, and his name was Gandalf, and he came from the center of the Earth.

[Joe Rogan]

But.

[Danny Jones]

It'S like no other. No. Nothing else corroborates it. But, you know, I don't know. I think Jesus was a real person. Person.

[Joe Rogan]

It seems like it was a real person.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The question is, like, what really happened.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And the whole coming back from the dead thing, it's like, what was that all about?

[Danny Jones]

Right. Yeah, I don't think that's real.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it doesn't make any sense, but.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Neither does the birth of the universe from something smaller than the head of a pin. That doesn't make any sense either. Yeah, but if you, you know, if this one unique moment in time that God did send us, his son, to try to, like, sort things out, and we wound up killing. Killing him. He died for our sins, you know, like, would that be any weirder than supermassive black holes? Would that be any weirder than most of the stuff that we know is real?

[Danny Jones]

And how do you reconcile that with the simulation? You know, I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it might be part of the whole weirdness of this whole thing is that we have mythology. Part of the weirdness of the simulation, of the simulation might be that we have this fantastical mythology that you sort of have to. To suspend disbelief and accept. It's part of this whole weirdness that we have where we're susceptible to ideological belief systems, like cults, you know, like political ideologies. We're essentially just like cults. You know, when you're on the right and you're, you know, right with everything, and, you know, you're all maga, or if you're on the left, you're blue. No matter who, you're in a cult, you're in a cult. People get into cults. And why is that, like, why is that a part of. If we are in a simulation, why are we so malleable? Is it because we recognize it and we're supposed to oppose it? And we're supposed to fight the instinct that we all deeply have embedded in our system, but we also know is wrong? Like, what is it about these systems? Like, why is that in place? Is this simply just an ancient relic of our tribal past where you had to follow the rules of the tribe in order to survive? And so it was instilled in people, in the psyche, and that's how we developed? Or is there something more to it? Is it, like, part of the mechanism that allows us to resist, which allows us to innovate, which encourages us to push forward and ask more questions? Because we know there's a lot of bullshit. Like, the reason why people ask so many questions now in 2025, as opposed to 2019, is because of COVID Because we went through so much bullshit and propaganda. We were so gaslit by the government, by the cdc by everybody.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That now we question way more. So it's probably benefited us somewhat to go through that.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. When Mary was on here, did she tell you about Kevin McKiernan? He was the dude who worked for the Human Genome Project, like a DNA wizard. He liked. He basically. He was working for the Human Genome Project, trying to figure out different sort of medical treatments for cancers based on your genome. So, like, they could target a specific type of type of leukemia in you, and they would take your DNA and they would, like, basically make designer drugs to. To target that cancer to kill that cancer. And during the pandemic, somebody sent him four unopened vials of the Pfizer vaccine, and he analyzed them and ran them through all of his processing systems. Whatever. Whatever the he does. And he found out there was DNA plasmid contamination in them, which were like, promoters of this SB40 shit.

[Joe Rogan]

I did hear about that. Yeah. I talked to Brett Weinstein about that. And he was explaining that when they first were sequencing certain vaccines, you know, because with the vaccine, you have to use living cells in order to create these antibodies initially.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And when he's.

[Danny Jones]

For traditional vaccines.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And so when they started using these things, they were using kidney cells, cells of these monkeys. And they didn't understand that these monkeys had this SV40 simian virus. 40.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And that this, when introduced into human cells, causes tumors, causes cancer. Like rampant cancer.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You see the uptick of cancer, and everyone else, like, bury their head in the sand and pretend that it didn't happen. But people that took the vaccine are getting cancer at an astounding rate.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. And this. And Kevin was. Was telling me that he was doing study. He pulled some tumors from some people that died somewhere in Europe. And he was studying, sequencing the tumors of these people that died with the vaccine. And he said that the. The SV40 was in the tumors. And some. I don't know. I don't remember the science. I'd have to go back and listen to it. By the way, that episode got pulled off YouTube. Really off my channel. I got a strike for it.

[Joe Rogan]

What'd they say?

[Danny Jones]

Medical misinformation. What?

[Joe Rogan]

Part of its medical misinformation information, the whole thing.

[Danny Jones]

We talked about vaccines and we talked about.

[Joe Rogan]

What year was this?

[Danny Jones]

This was like November of last year. Whoa. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I wonder if you could put it up now, because they seem to be lightened up, didn't they? They changed their. Their regulations recently. Did they? Yeah, they changed their guidelines.

[Danny Jones]

What was the problem with this dude? I'M like, I'm so afraid to talk about. I want to talk about.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. Isn't that up?

[Danny Jones]

It's like it sucks. Sucks, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

If it sucks. Because there's no way to know who's telling the truth unless you let people say crazy and then have someone come on refute it and then have the two of them get together and debate it.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, and then even then, sometimes you don't know. Like with this Flint Dibble Graham Hancock thing.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, if it wasn't for Dan Richards, we wouldn't know that a lot of the things that Flint Dibble said were just absolutely not true.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

YouTube loosens rules, guiding moderation of videos. Yeah. So favor freedom of expression over the risk of harm in deciding what to take down. So specifically scroll down to what they said. What the, the actual, the policy shift which hasn't publicly disclosed. What does it say? Public statements. What they used language that I thought was they don't make public statements much more.

[Danny Jones]

They broad brush it. They don't give you an exact reason. They just say, oh, this falls into, to this category. Like there's no jury at YouTube. They're just like, they find the most excusable reason to go back to where you were.

[Joe Rogan]

Go back to where you were. Recognizing the definition of public interest is always evolving. We update our guidelines for these exceptions to reflect the new types of discussions we see on our platform today. Our goal remains the same, to protect free expression on YouTube while mitigating egregious harm. So you know, they could still. But the thing is like they're controlled by their advertisers to a certain extent. Extent.

[Danny Jones]

And I don't buy that, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you mean? They get funds from the advertisers.

[Danny Jones]

They're Google though. They, they own advertising. Like you're, you're going to tell me like some company is going to go to go to Google and say, listen bro, we're not going to advertise you with you unless you take that guy's video down.

[Joe Rogan]

No. I think pharmaceutical drug companies have influence and I think if you're getting an enormous percentage of your advertising revenue from pharmaceutical drug companies, which cali means is said the reason why they do that is not to promote their drugs, it's to stop criticism. And this is why they promote. This is why. Brought to you by Pfizer, Anderson Cooper. Brought to you by Pfizer. Why what that is for is to make sure that they never criticize Pfizer.

[Danny Jones]

Sure, I understand that. And it works right for, for cable TV. Yeah, but for like YouTube has a monopoly on advertising. Google does. At least I could. I mean, I guess I could see it, but like, you know, they got trillions of dollars, so it says YouTube's.

[Joe Rogan]

Adpocalypse and the gatekeeping of cultural digital platforms. This is how it all started. 2017 advertiser revolt on YouTube, popularly known as the ad apocalypse, introduced widespread and radical changes on the platform's policy related to moderation contact, their monetization, monetizability, and the terms of the relationship between the creators and the platform. And these changes in turn have caused significant discontent within the creator community while also gradually transforming the predominant nature of the content on the platform. Platform. So they did do it. They did it by cutting the ads.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's. It's dirty business, man. And they're. They're doing it because they don't want people finding out certain things that are actually true. And that's what they did during the pandemic and that's what the FBI tried to do when they, they were banning people like Jay Bhattacharya and prominent scientists and like legitimate academics. But.

[Danny Jones]

But then I. I'll have like uf. The same thing will happen to videos I do about UFOs. Like, the same thing will happen, not taken down, but you know, how will get like buried where you can't search for it. Oh yeah, me and Jesse were talking about this. This happened to Jesse too, with, with Grush, where he was like, it was like the number one video on Garage. And all of a sudden you can't search it. Like stuff like that. I mean, the, the COVID one was the first one I actually had taken down, which was scary. And it makes me think about that. I hate the fact that I actually have to think about whether I'm going to get. Get the axe. I know based on the topic I'm discussing, like where, like, I don't know if that leads. That doesn't lead to a good place as far as journalism goes, because journalism is supposed to be shining light on the dark places that people don't want them shine. And it's supposed to piss people off.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially when you consider that a lot of the things that you used to be taken down for are now confirmed. Like the lab leak theory that used to get you kicked off of YouTube, saying masks don't work, that would get you kicked off you YouTube. Like all these things that we now know to be true, that the, the vaccine does not stop infection, that would get you kicked off YouTube right. All these things that we now know are 100 fact. And it's all orchestrated by financial interests.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. The, the SB40 stuff is wicked freaky, dude. It's wicked freaky. Like with the, with the cancer and how, you know, it goes all the way back to the, the early days in the 60s or the early 50s and 60s in New Orleans. Orleans. How they were working, trying to develop the polio vaccine with Alton Ochsner.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

At Tulane University and trying to weaponize some sort of a. There's a theory based on that book, Mary's Monkey, where they were growing the polio vaccines on the monkey kidneys and using this to also create bioweapons to assassinate people like Castro. And that's apparently what, according to that book, what Lee Har Oswald was doing with that lady, Mary Sherman. And they were using that Linac machine to try to like, supercharge the SV40 to make it more deadly.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Jones]

To induce cancer with people. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And then. Oh, God. That, like the, the event, that Cutter event where Alton in injected his two grandkids with the polio vaccine in front of the whole auditorium of students, and his grand granddaughter lived, was paralyzed, but his grandson died the next day right after they did that.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus.

[Danny Jones]

And they were like, there's people pushing back, like, don't do this. We tested this on monkeys and like, half of them are dead. Let's not push this out. I think it was the Salk vaccine. The Salk polio vaccine. And then they did it anyways.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, I think you got to be able to talk about this stuff.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Even if you get, get it wrong and even if someone comes on, they say things that can be refuted. Refuted. Yeah. Refute it then. That's the whole point of all this.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If someone comes on and says something that's not correct, I'll put a. Stacey.

[Danny Jones]

Nope. Bless you.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you. If someone comes on and says something that's not correct, like have someone on that refutes it. Figure it out. This. You have to be able to talk about stuff, and some of it's fun.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, it's fun. It's all super fun.

[Joe Rogan]

It is, right?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How'd you get started?

[Danny Jones]

Well, I didn't, I obviously didn't always do podcasts, but I, I, I was originally, I always wanted to make movies.

[Joe Rogan]

When I used to call it concrete. Why was it called.

[Danny Jones]

It was called concrete, so. Okay, I'll tell you. It was. First of all, I always wanted to make movies when I was a little kid. I was telling Jamie the story earlier. I tried to go to full. I was going to go to full sail, where Jamie went in Florida, in Orlando. But it was just. I didn't have the money to do it and I couldn't get into ucx. My, My grades were in high school. So luckily I got the opportunity to work on this movie called Dolphin Tail. It was a, it was a movie about a dolphin who got its tail stuck in a crab trap. And they had. Morgan Freeman came in and builded a prosthetic tail and, and it was swimming around in the aquarium and Carrie Connick Jr. And Morgan Freeman were in it. And it was like a big, you know, Warner Brothers movie. And I realized working as a camera production assistant on that movie, it was my film school. But I realized I did not want anything to do with making movies because it was the closest thing I ever for experienced to work in construction. It was like I was in charge of swapping the, the camera lenses, the camera batteries, taking the SD cards back to the media truck, getting everybody breakfast and coffee. And these dudes, these camera department dudes, a lot of them are really cool. Like the dude Pete Sucarini, who was the underwater cinematographer who filmed all the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, he was awesome. But a lot of the other guys were like really unhappy, like deeply unhappy because they never saw their families. They were always on the road face. A lot of them on their like third, fourth watch wives FaceTiming their kids. And it was like, you know, they were like carnies with dental plans. They made great money, but they were, they were deeply unhappy. So like I realized I didn't want to make movies anymore. So I started an advertising company and making commercials and I started doing like spec ads and like winning a bunch of contests to make commercials. I won really one big contest for Land Rover USA where we made like a, a free ad and they paid us to make a bunch of other ads for them. And then that's where Concrete came in. So I was, it was called something else. And I got sued by some advertising company in California saying, hey, can't use this name anymore. Change your name. So my friend who owns a concrete construction company said, bro, there's this really cool website domain for sale with Concrete with a K. He's like, it's like couple thousand bucks. You want, you should buy it. I was going to buy it. I'm like, sure, yeah, let's do it. So I called my company Concrete Concrete Stupid. And then.

[Joe Rogan]

And how'd you start a podcast?

[Danny Jones]

So, so after the advertising stuff I started. I. I met a bunch of people. I met Hulk Hogan in the process of the whole advertising thing, because me and Hulk live like, five minutes from each other and. Which is like five minutes from the Church of Scientology, which is great. And we started. I started making a bunch of commercials with him because he would always have companies that would hit him up and say, yo, let's partner on this new product. Product. And one of them was a hosting company called Host a Mania. They wanted to make Hulk the face of the company. And we created this whole thing where we. It was like, right when Miley Cyrus dropped the wrecking ball video and we put Hulk on a wrecking ball. We're like, yo, Hulk, we want to put you on a wrecking ball and have you freaking drop kick Van Dam, who's like the godaddy guy, right? And he's like, yeah, brother, let's do it.

[Joe Rogan]

This is.

[Danny Jones]

Was actually. It was poor execution, but it was funny. And he's like, brother, there's only one thing missing from this commercial idea. I'm like, what? He's like, I need to be in my birthday suit.

[Joe Rogan]

I was like, what?

[Danny Jones]

So we did that, and then I started working on a bunch of, like, show. This was like the boom of reality shows when, like, Duck Dynasty and Pawn Stars were all taken off. So I was like, I could probably find. Make a reality show. So I hit a bunch of my friends, and we started, like, touring around trying to find people to come up with, like, TV show ideas and concepts. And I got a couple people to invest in a couple TV show ideas pilots that I spent, like, six years working on. And it was this long process of shooting, editing, taking notes from production companies that, you know, you have to. You know how this works, but you have to, like, work with production companies who already have relationships with now networks. And they were, like, constantly giving us notes like, okay, change this for A E. Change this for Spike tv. And we got to make sure it fits each network, because we were pitching these networks, these show, all these networks. I was like, okay, great. So it was just this roller coaster of emotions, of, like, oh, my God, we're gonna get. We're gonna sell a TV show. We're gonna do a TV show. And then finally, we got one of those shows to a green light meeting at Spike TV or A E. Me. And like, I was like, this is it. We're gonna do it. And the CEO of ICOM killed it because it did not fit their roster of existing advertisers. And I was just like, so frustrated and fed up with it. I was like, this. I'm taking all this stuff that I've been working on and I'm gonna repackage them and put them on YouTube. And I did. And the first one that really took off got millions of views in like 2015, was called deckhands. And it was the story of these alcoholic dudes, these drunks that were hanging out in front of 7:11 in this little sleepy town called Madeira beach, where I'm from. So me and my buddy Luke went up and we started filming these guys and asking them questions like, yo, what the do you guys do here every day? And they're like, we're fishermen, bro. Come see how we live. And one of these dudes took us back to his boat he lived on. He had this broken down boat in this old dusty marine arena where it was. The boat didn't work, but he had. He lived in this boat and it had amplifiers stacked to the ceiling. He had a stack of porno DVDs like 6ft tall, laser light machines, fog machines. And he wore these fairy wings and like an armor helmet. And he would jam out to, like, Rob Zombie on his guitar while playing the music videos on this big projection screen in his boat. And we're like, this is the Twilight Zone, dude. And then they started telling us more and more about, like, what they did.

[Joe Rogan]

This is it.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, this is the first episode. The Gates of Hell. This is Shane Lee, RIP So we're like, we're asking these guys about, like, what are you? Like, you're fishermen. But, like, explain to me how does this thing, how does this work? And they were all pissed off about, oh, we're getting screwed by the boat owners and these IFQs and we don't make any money. And, you know, we're like, dude, there might be a story here. So we started interviewing more people, and we eventually interviewed the people who own the boats and own the fish houses. So, like, Madeira beach is the Johns Pass. Florida is the grouper capital of the world. There's more grouper caught there than anywhere in the world. And the way it works is before 2007, there was a quota system where it was like, for red snapper, it was like, £3 million per year are allowed to be caught in this area, right? So it was like derby fishing. So all the boats would go out and they would catch as much fish as they possibly could. And they would wait at the. When they get back from their trip, and then they would, you know, quantify that. Or, or, you know, tell the federal government this is where we're at. And sometimes they would reach that 3 million pound limit in like October. So what do they have to do for the rest of the year? They stop fishing. They can't do anything. So in 2007, the federal government made a monopoly where they gave boat owners an allotment of fishing quota per year. So some guys got a £100,000, some guys got £200,000, which is. If it's red snapper, that's a dollar a pound. So that's like the best retirement plan known to man. The federal government is handing you £200,000 of red snapper quota per year. And then what happened was eventually the boat owners sold off their quota. And now it's become so discombobulated where now like, you can just buy this fishing quota and trade it like stock. You don't have to own a boat. You don't have to be a fisherman. You could just be some dude sitting in Manhattan in a high rise and buying and selling fishing quota. And you're not. And there's. There are like fishing communities in America, like in the North, Northeast, where it doesn't work like that, where you have to have your hand on the throttle, you have to take care of your people. And it's a lifestyle and it's like a way to. It's a culture. And where in Madeira beach, at least when I was there filming it was. They were all just like Carney's, Carney ride operators, you know, and these dudes were. And the, the lowest level of this, of this fishing industry are those deckhands, those dudes like Shane Jane Lee, and they're drug addicts. They're. A lot of them are on Hooked on Heroin. What that, what happens is they get home from fishing from 10, 10 days of fishing offshore, and they get like four or $5,000 and they blow it all on prostitutes and coke and hookers and heroin. And they just. They're kids, dude. They're like kids. They're like kids with money. And by the end, by the time they run out, they have to go fishing again. So they're going to all the fish houses saying, bro, let me go, let me go. So they go offshore again and they cab where they rehab at Sea for 10 days because they have no more drugs.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Danny Jones]

And they come back and then rinse and repeat. And one of the, one of the people that we interviewed, there was three main characters in that, in that series. There was Shane Lee. There was space and There was Hollywood Kim, and Hollywood Kim was the last episode, which was. Sometimes when I think I have problems in my. My life, I remember her story and realized I don't really know what problems are. She was from Alabama, and when she was 17 years old, she gave birth to her father's son.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, God.

[Danny Jones]

And when she was six years old, she would wake up every morning and ride her bike to the beach to try to escape her dad, and no one would believe her. She tried telling people, and no one would believe her because her dad was a cop.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, God.

[Danny Jones]

So she eventually gave birth to her son and escaped to Florida and became a deckhand, working, fishing and working on these boats, dude. And she was just. I met her, and she would wake up every morning and just start slamming vodka and looking for drugs and, dude, it was just the Twilight Zone in my own backyard.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Danny Jones]

It was nuts. And that. That led to, like, podcasts, like, so after that, then we're just like, let's start doing podcasts in between these documentaries, you know, more content. And the podcast started to get more views in the documentaries, and here we are.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I'm glad it happened. You got a great show, man.

[Danny Jones]

Thanks, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

And I appreciate you coming on here, man. It was a lot of fun.

[Danny Jones]

Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's do it again. For sure.

[Danny Jones]

Hell, yeah, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Danny Jones show. It is on YouTube. Are you on Spotify as well?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, Spotify. It's just at Danny Jones on YouTube. YouTube. And same with Instagram.

[Joe Rogan]

It's an awesome show.

[Danny Jones]

That's it, baby.

[Joe Rogan]

Lots of fun stuff on there. All right.

[Danny Jones]

Thanks, brother.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you. Bye, everybody.