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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Train my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Thank you for having me here.
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My pleasure.
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It's a joy.
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It's a joy to have you, sir. I've been having a good time hanging out with you at the club, so it's been great. Feel like we got it.
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This is very. Ah, man, I'm trying not to spin out. I have watched this on a phone before. This is great.
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Well, it's weird for me that it's weird for people because to me, it's still the same thing. It's just sitting down, talking to people. I've gotten so used to it. Even when it's like Trump or Elon or some huge cultural figure, it's still.
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You must have spun out at least one time.
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I spun out a bunch of times in the early days. I still spin out every now and then. Like, you know, like. Like Mel Gibson's on the podcast. Like, oh, that's really Mel Gibson. Mike Tyson, that's another one.
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Yeah, he was. Was this where he said he became erect when he wanted to beat people up?
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That was in California.
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Okay.
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Yeah. That was classic.
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It's a classic all time great moment.
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He was. He was scaring the shit out of me, man.
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I spin out. When I first got to the club, I was going. It was every week I would.
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It's weird, right?
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When I first met Adam Egot, I went, no, it's. Oh, Mr. EGOT, I've seen you. You deny the Holocaust.
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Not really. We should be real clear.
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No, he was just a norm under a bridge.
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It's a Norm MacDonald bit.
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He features in that book a lot.
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Well, Adam's an amazing guy. Yeah, he's the reason. He's one of the reasons why I went back to the store. When I was banned from the store for seven years. Adam came to seven years. Yeah, well, I banned myself for seven years. They banned me. They were gonna ban me for like a few weeks. I'm like, fuck you. Like, nay, what did you do? This is the whole Carlos Mencia thing.
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They ban you for that?
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Yes.
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You won the court of public opinion on that.
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Well, not only did I not really get banned, the guy who banned me was eventually fired. He was the manager there. But Mitzi gave me a spot that night. It's like before they called me to tell me I was banned. Mitzi was going through a lot of health problems. Right. And you know, Mitzi was. I was very close with her, so. So I called her when the whole men thing happened. And I said, listen, this is. This guy's been a problem. It's a real issue. People are worried about doing material in front of them. This is a giant problem. And I told her the whole thing with the video, and she's like, all right, well, just keep away from them. What time do you want to go up tonight? And I said, when do you want me to go up? And she said, how about 10:30 or whatever it was. And I said, thank you. Okay, I love you. Bye. We said, bye. And then like an hour, two hours later, I get a call from this manager telling me that I'm banned from the store for two weeks. And I was like, what? I go for two weeks for. For. I go, listen to me right now. I'm not coming back. I go, I'm not coming back. And you're making a decision that's gonna this club up because you're choosing to take the side of plagiarism.
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Yes.
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Over someone who's exposing it. Like, the agents won't expose it. They're making a shit ton of money. And if the Comedy Store is not going to side with the artists, I'm like, listen, this is the same conversation I had with my agent. I lost my agent, too, for that.
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I feel like those are both important moments in it. Like, everybody seems to have a problem with their agent. 5. But also the number of people who've been banned from comedy clubs. I was. Brian Simpson has told me about how he got banned for ages when he was homeless. Who. There was, like, people doing. Banned from comedy club stores.
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He was. He had some sort of an issue with someone there. And this was like, when Brian wasn't Brian Simpson from Netflix, you know, it was like, Brian Simpson, up and coming door guy that people go, oh, that guy's funny. But, like, if you get a run afoul with certain things.
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This is what I'm trying to avoid. I did this in Australia a lot.
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You ran afoul.
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I was a problem, and I couldn't work in certain cities for some time just because I was, I think, unpleasant.
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What were you doing wrong?
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You know, I started comedy. I would go around telling people that they sucked and they should quit. And I went to, like, the head of the Melbourne Comedy Festival. I was in. I was in the comedy competition. It was like my fourth gig. And I was like, you're picking all the wrong people to win these. Oh, this guy's the better. And it just. Anyway, we grow older. I was also 18, and I was, yeah.
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Oh, I get it.
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Very.
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No, it's. Yeah.
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A lot of feuds, a lot of telling people that they sucked.
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Well, when you enter into comedy, you know, a lot of times people treat it weirdly. Like sports, you know, like, they talk shit playing basketball, so they try to talk shit doing comedy. And it's like. It's weird.
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I've gotten better at it. I think I've purged it. But sometimes.
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Well, it depends on the environment you're in. If you're in an environment where a lot of people are doing that, it's not fun.
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But this is. I find it easy here. Cause people are. I don't wanna. I don't wanna say that everyone in Australia is bad at comedy. There are many great comics, but I could not for the life of me. Like, there were times where it's like, oh, this could be helpful for your career. To get in with someone and have them guide you. And it's like, I just hated everybody's comedy that I met and hung out with. And people who were great would often leave or not be around.
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Australia's kind of a different.
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We've got great people out there.
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But lo, listen, you got Jim Jefferies.
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Yes.
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I think you're the funniest guy that's ever come out. Well, believe that.
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Now we have Barry Humphries. I'll never be better.
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Okay.
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You know Barry Humphries?
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No.
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The first act.
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I think we watched a clip once in the green room. But, you know, the problem is the green room is so loud.
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And. Yeah, I'll watch the man. He would dress up like Dave Medna. This is in the 70s. He's a conservative man. Dress up like a housewife. Like a very dowdy drag act. And was, like, super funny. Really broke through in the uk and then the festival turned their back on him. He started the Melbourne Comedy Festival, and then he made some, like, trans remark. And Hannah Gadsby, I think, was like, I'm not taking this award in his name.
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Okay.
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You're the award.
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She's the funniest Australian.
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I lose out to Hannah as well. You forget about Hannah. Hannah was a great club act. I tell this to people all the time. No one wants to believe it.
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Well, listen, man, it's just she did a different thing. A lot of people got mad at that, but I don't get mad at things that are not. For me. It's not. It's pointless.
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I think it took me a while. It was, like, a revolutionary act for Americans. Cause you don't have comedy festivals in the Same way here. But like everyone in Australia was doing the I got raped show or the I wanted to commit suicide show.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, you show. You know, everyone does an hour. That's the only way you can. There's only five cities. So the comedy festivals are the only way you can really break through and make money. There's five clubs and once you're done touring them, you got nothing. So everybody, you have to have a new hour every year. There was the. Oh, man, there have been some great I was molested shows. Shout out Corey White for one of the greatest I Was Molested shows ever. Dave Quirk had the I Had an Affair show. That was great. Dad's got cancer. Big show. Oh, no, big show. Mum died when I was young.
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It's sort of like more like spoken word thing than you would say stand up comedy.
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You just. No one's even people do all the jokes they wrote that year, which gets you to like 35 minutes. Then you tell a 10 minute, very sad story. And then, and then I finished my chicken curry and I thought, I'm ready to die. And then you bring it back with a gag at the end and.
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Yeah, and that was like standard.
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Yeah, it's still going on to this day. There's a lot of. And I could never do it.
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Yeah, you're. I don't, I couldn't imagine you doing that. You're so like funny heavy. Like your, your comedy is very funny heavy.
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You know, it feels important for comedy. It's the fucking most important thing.
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It's fun to get interesting ideas out there. It really is. It's fun to talk about interesting subjects. But it's gotta be funny.
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I mean, I. When people have a theme. Colin Quinn does this all the time and it's great. He does like the. Oh yeah, Going Therapy show, Red state, blue state thing. History of America in New York is great.
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He's a genius at it. He's probably the best at it. About like telling interesting subject matter, using interesting subject matter, telling you things you didn't know with comedy.
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He. Yeah.
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And highlighting the ridiculousness of it all.
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He was at the club and that was, that was crazy.
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He's great.
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Yeah.
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Oh, my God. He was so on when he was here. He was doing new stuff.
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I started running the new. With the pages?
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Yeah, with the pages. But the polish, like, while he's doing the new stuff, he's so good off the cuff that even if the new stuff was going sideways, people love it. He figured out a way to turn it around and would address it and like, oh, he was so good.
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He just sits and writes. Apparently he's an animal.
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And he teaches it, too. He teaches that. He has a program that they actually ran at the mothership for up and coming.
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Teach it. I'm always wary of that.
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I don't think you could teach comedy necessarily, but I think you could teach. You could learn how he does it. And you can learn how certain people do it. I think some of that you can apply Mitch Hippurg School of Comedy.
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You've got to take a lot of heroin.
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Yeah.
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And put your hair right over your face.
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I think you can. What you do, though, is teach work ethic.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's half the battle. Half the battle is just sitting down and actually writing. And everyone comes up with an excuse. It's like a cold plunge. Everybody comes up with an excuse why they don't want a cold plunge. And everybody comes up with an excuse why they don't write in front of a computer or on a piece of paper. They always write only on Stage.
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I mean, doing the same thing over and over again was I for, I don't know, seven, eight years. At the start, I struggled to do it. I had no. I had like five bad hours of comedy. And it wasn't until I probably impregnated my wife. It was like, I should. I should make sure there's a good five. Really boil this down to a good five minutes or I'm in real trouble.
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Well, sometimes it's something like that has to happen in your life where you really take it seriously. Because we all know comics that, like, we started with, we're like, oh, my God, this guy's gonna be huge.
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Yeah.
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And for whatever reason, they didn't put in the work, they fucked off. They self sabotaged.
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Every town you go to, there's the guy who's going to be big.
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I think if we can encourage more people, we can make less of that and I think we can give more people a chance because I think we all could have been that person who quit.
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Yeah.
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And I know in the beginning I thought about quit a bunch of times. One of the things that helped me not quit is I tore my acl.
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Okay.
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So I couldn't train or compete anymore.
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Yeah.
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Because I was still, like, kind of on the fence of whether I'd go back to fighting or because I was terrible at comedy. I was. I was like, good. Every now and again.
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ACL took that away from you. One option.
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Now I was like, okay, I can't fight anymore. I need to get surgery. I got to take this seriously. And I got to really pick one thing. And I completely stopped competing. So that was like a year into comedy. So that was an important thing. Like, it needed a thing where I was like, okay, I've got no options now. Like, I can't just enter into a kickboxing tournament and say, fuck comedy. This is too hard.
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Yeah.
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And it's just. There was a. It was a weird thing. It was like I had to make a complete mind shift from someone who didn't care at all about other people's opinions. Someone who was like, I will show you. I will show you. Like, I don't give a fuck what you think. I will show you.
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Yeah.
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To. I have to get you to like me.
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Yeah.
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I have to be fun, not just funny with my friends, but I have to figure out how to make these people my friends. Where I was always very standoffish with new people was a weird thing to try to adjust to comedy.
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Well, also, if you can't make it work, you have to stop at some point.
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Oh, you have to. If you can't make it work. But I did make it work. Sometimes I just had to figure out what. What was consistent when I was making it work. That's a bitch.
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That's a real.
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Yeah.
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I don't know how. I mean, so few people get passed at a club.
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I know it's hard because you.
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You have to come back and do it a couple times and you seem to be safer. But I see people have a great, like a one off, great one. And then you go, where did that go?
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Oh, dude. There's a girl that I saw once in 1990. No, 1995 or six. That's what it was, 1995 or six. She did a set in the Belly Room and it was one of the funniest sets I've ever seen in my life. It was like I was watching a female Sam Kenison. I was like, this girl is on fire. Like, this is insane. And then never happened. I don't know what happened. You know, I don't know. People just never really get it together. They, they. Whatever the fuck they pulled off that time, they can't do again. Lightning in a bottle. But it was in there. Like, it's in there. That comedy was in there. I was like, this person with the right encouragement could have been fucking huge, man.
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Yeah. I remember I saw my friend Amos on the day his girlfriend broke up with him. And he went and did. He was booked for 10. He did like 25. He was just heartbroken. He was just complaining about being devastated. And it was. All the things that were wrong with his comedy beforehand were, like, gone. He was used to be, like, unpleasant in people's face. And then he was, like, free and likable and good. It's like, oh, you can't engineer to be broken up with every show. You can't.
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You can't engineer that. Right.
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You shouldn't.
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Well, that was Kinison in the early days. Right, Curly Kinison in the early days was all about, like, how, you know, like, meeting the devil and the devil's like, oh, you've been married. Yeah, this is all nudie, you know, this is all old hat to you. Oh, this is where we're torture the souls.
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I never had it.
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Oh, you were married twice.
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Like, remember that bit, Kinison? The first time I realized that he was a big thing was when that poster went up backstage at the Mothership.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah. We didn't. We didn't get him.
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Wow.
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We didn't get him. We didn't get. I mean, maybe some people got them. We got Ron White because he was on Comedy Central. So I had seen his special, like, a bunch of times.
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That's crazy.
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But in terms of American comics, I didn't get Kinison. I didn't get who. We got Chappelle because we got Chappelle shy.
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He must have got hicks.
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People around me had hicks, but I was late to hicks because the men who loved hicks were nuts.
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Right?
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Do you know what I mean? Like, you go, there's something good here, but it's gonna. I'm gonna have to come back to it.
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Well, he was so good and so unique in the kind of comedy that he did and so smart that it made a bunch of guys try to be like him.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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There's many such cases. Guys who are great, but they destroy, dude. There's a lot of little Casey Rockets running around. They think they don't have to write.
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Anything, and they're one of the all time great. I mean, if you. One of the all time greats is Richard, Jenny. I mean, he's an all time great. And when I saw him in, like, the 1980s, he did a club, I guess it was probably 90, 91, maybe Eastside Comedy Club. He did four different hours. And the MC wanted to quit comedy after he emceed for him the weekend. He said he did four different hours, a different hour on Friday night, first show, different hour, second show, different hour, first show Saturday night, different out, and all of them murdered. And he said it was insane. And he goes, I wanted to quit comedy. He saw hicks, and he said to me, like, we were hanging out together. He's like, God, I got. I wish I. Makes me want to do more of that, you know, I feel like sometimes I'm not doing enough of that. Like, wow, that's crazy.
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Do you know Ken Dodd? You know that he was a Liverpudlian comedian, I think? But he would come out and he would do his new hour, and people would, like, clap and say, thank you. And then he would. He would say, right, I'm gonna do the hour I did last time I was in town. You can leave if you want, but I'll do the second hour is the hour he did the year before. And then he'd do the hour that he did the year before that. And he'd just do hour after hour until the whole. Until, like, if people had enough, they could get up and walk away.
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Wow.
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But he'd be there for, like, seven hours.
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Jesus Christ. You know who used to Do.
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The bar staff hated it.
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Chappelle used to do that. He used to pull up to the Laugh Factory and do like a nine hour set.
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Yeah, he's still doing it.
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I think him and Dane Cook had like a battle to see like, who. Who could do the longest set.
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I mean, I saw. I got to go to.
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I don't think Dave was like trying to battle, but I think Dade like took the title.
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Shane took me to his. The YS Firehouse, the club that Dave has set up in Yellow Springs. Yeah, it was on his birthday and he did three hours and he bombed at his own birthday. And he kept saying, I can't believe I'm bombing at my own club on my birthday. But then in the middle there was a guy with a coat and he just did maybe 45 minutes about this guy's coat of crab work on just a. It was magical. The whole thing flew. He could release an hour on this guy's coat. I think he's recording everything. He's building a vault. I think, I think he's got a Prince vault.
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A Prince vault?
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Yeah. Like how Prince. I think every second album, Prince would just put it away. And I think he's got. He must have hours in the vault.
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Yeah, he's got a whole system for how he creates comedy. It's very unique. He goes on stage and he has some subjects and he just fucks around and he gets a little drunk.
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Yeah.
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Gets a little high. And he's so funny that some of those things will wind up being bits.
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Yes.
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And then he takes those bits and then he, like he has all of them recorded. So he's just constantly stock and he goes on stage like almost every night.
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I. There's nothing in my vault. Everything I've gotten, I've got like, every time I go out there, I go, I've got nothing.
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Isn't that a great example? Like, not everybody has the option to just go on on stage and rant for three hours. But isn't it educational to any young comics? It says, okay, who do people consider to be the greatest comic alive? Most people would say Dave Chappelle. And Dave Chappelle is working harder than anybody.
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Yes.
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It's not a coincidence. Like, he's effortlessly funny. Yes, for sure. Brilliant. Yes, for sure. But also works every night. There's something to that. And works every night and does long sets, like every night. Like, he's always.
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He's always there.
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He's always getting better.
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He's always covering his job. Before I came to America, I would do like I would do an hour a month and be very happy with that. And I thought this was enough to get me right. It's to go and no going every night is. It's also hard to go overnight. Like you don't. You have a good time once you're out. But then you got to avoid the comedy.
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You got to avoid that feeling. Right. So it's, it's a mental collapse. It's, you know, familiarity breeds contempt. It's not just in relationships, it's in anything you do.
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Yeah.
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And that's where you have to reset your mind. Right. So like when you start to feel that coming on, like, I can't believe I have to do another set. Fuck, I don't want to do a second show. You have to remember what it was like when you had nothing. And you have to remember what it was like when you would go to open mic night and just. You wouldn't. Weren't on the list. You didn't make the list. But you just wanted to go on stage so bad. You wanted to go on stage so bad and you wanted to like, I gotta figure this thing out.
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You gotta have your Johnny Cash moment. Sitting backstage at the Folsom prison.
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Yeah.
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And the water, thinking about your brother.
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You are about to go do a second sold out show.
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No, it's silly.
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You should be so pumped. It's just a familiarity thing. It's just a mind fuck. But you can get over mind fucks, man. You can get over them if you understand what they are and just recalibrate the way you engage with it.
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Figuring out a way to recalibrate that doesn't kill you in the long run is a good, like, I know some people.
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You mean cocaine?
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I live with the cocaine. People get like fucked up or just play a video game all week and then they can get back and do it.
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You don't have to though. You don't have to do those things.
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I think you gotta do something. You gotta go for a nice walk. Yeah, I started swimming.
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A
I love to swim.
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B
Oh, you were telling me that.
- [22:48]
A
Yeah, I'm all about, I've got nothing. I go on stage and I try and talk about how much I love the pool. I got nothing. You might make three sets where I stand there and go, isn't swimming beautiful? Then I say, nothing and I wait for something to happen after that and I go and talk about the next thing.
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B
Well, it's, you know, one of those exercises that because you're moving against the resistance of the water, it doesn't damage your joints.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And it's like, it feels like therapeutic. Even though it feels like exercise.
- [23:16]
A
You can get yourself tired if you want. You can slow it down.
- [23:18]
B
Oh, yeah, you can. Yeah. And it's fun. I swim with my dog.
- [23:23]
A
In a lake?
- [23:24]
B
No, in a pool. Me and the dog swim in the pool. He's the, he's the funniest. He's such a great dog.
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A
I did find your dog Instagram account. Are you running the dog Instagram account?
- [23:34]
B
My wife runs.
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A
Okay.
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B
But he's, he's so great that, like, he won't swim unless you're swimming. Like, he knows he's not supposed to just randomly jump in the pool because then he comes in the house, everything up. So he only is allowed to swim when we tell him to swim. And so he sits there like, are we swimming today?
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then when he finds out we're swimming, like, oh, we're swimming. And he just jumps off the side of the pool.
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A
It's salt pool.
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B
Salt pool.
- [24:00]
A
Yeah.
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B
I think it's salt pool. If it's not supposed to be.
- [24:03]
A
That's not. I can float in that. I cannot float in the chlorine pool. And that brings me. Great.
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B
Why not?
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A
My legs sink down Oh, I have no bum.
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B
Have you ever done a float tank?
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A
Never.
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B
Oh, my God.
- [24:14]
A
I'm afraid of what would be in my brain.
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B
You need to find out. No, go down.
- [24:19]
A
Dig around close forever. Repression is so beautiful.
- [24:22]
B
Dig around, dog.
- [24:25]
A
Been there for five minutes. I'll be banging it.
- [24:29]
B
Just push it down and get back to work at the factory.
- [24:32]
A
It really does. I'm a big believer. And push it down and keep moving.
- [24:35]
B
Hey, there's something to be said about that's.
- [24:36]
A
I mean, you explode at some point.
- [24:38]
B
Well, the opposite is not good. Right. If you're constantly dwelling on your problems all the time, that's. That's worse.
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A
I was. Someone was. I got. I got circumcised at, like, 32 because.
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B
I had a problem.
- [24:50]
A
Jesus Christ, Lord's name. But it was a beautiful experience. I enjoyed it. I had a nice time.
- [24:54]
B
Did you get a rabbi to suck your dick?
- [24:56]
A
I thought about it. I thought I could leave that in as an option. But also, it's fine, by the way, for people.
- [25:02]
B
I'm not making a joke.
- [25:04]
A
They do suck the. Sometimes they have a tube. Sometimes they have a special tube.
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B
Yeah. And sometimes they don't.
- [25:09]
A
No.
- [25:09]
B
Sometimes get the whole vicar and giving kids herpes.
- [25:11]
A
And children do die.
- [25:13]
B
Died from it. Yeah.
- [25:14]
A
Yeah. It's grim. But circumcision in general, I'm in favor.
- [25:17]
B
Why?
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A
Because I had. I know what it was like before. I know it was like after. It's not a big deal.
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B
This is.
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A
But there are people. What I'm saying. People make it their whole life.
- [25:24]
B
One of one.
- [25:25]
A
Yeah. I've experienced both as an adult. People go.
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B
I think most people would not want their dick to be cut. Cut for no real reason other than aesthetics. And people are like, oh, it prevents aids. Shut the up.
- [25:36]
A
I got to go to the AIDS Memorial Garden in San Francisco.
- [25:39]
B
Yeah. Did you show them your new dick?
- [25:41]
A
Well, people definitely would. It's a lot of nooks and crannies in the AIDS Memorial. Like, they've built the perfect place to have sex with a man in the AIDS garden.
- [25:48]
B
Oh, it's perfect.
- [25:49]
A
Someone's definitely gotten AIDS at the AIDS Memorial Garden.
- [25:51]
B
You think so?
- [25:52]
A
They're fucking away and they're going, ah. I knew there was something I was supposed to remember. Now I have aids. It was very good. It was a beautiful park. San Francisco was lovely.
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B
Have you ever listened to people like, what is that guy's name? The guy that we had on the podcast a long time ago. Peter Duesberg.
- [26:10]
A
No.
- [26:11]
B
You want to go down the Ultimate Rabbit hole.
- [26:13]
A
Oh, what was he doing? Is he in a park?
- [26:15]
B
No. Peter Duesberg doesn't believe that HIV causes aids.
- [26:19]
A
I've heard about this. It's the treatment.
- [26:21]
B
Peter Duesberg is. He's a professional of. Professor of biology, University of California, Berkeley. Tenured. And he's done, like, groundbreaking work on cancer. It's, like, considered to be a brilliant guy. Considered to be a brilliant guy. So in the 80s, when all this was going on with AIDS, his assertion was that there was a thing that people were not factoring in is that almost all of the people who developed AIDS were hardcore partiers, hardcore drug users in the gay community, and no one wanted to address that. And he was saying, no, this is destroying their immune system. And then HIV shows up. He goes, HIV is a weak virus. He goes. In most people. And when I read what he said, I don't know if this is true. Maybe we could find out that babies, if they're born and they test positive for HIV without any treatment at all, are HIV negative within a certain amount of time. Okay, and so it all sounds nuts, right?
- [27:22]
A
Because you go, there's no way martial evidence for that. Because, like, African countries, you would go, healthcare would be bad. Malnutrition would be.
- [27:29]
B
Well, this is the thing. Are they really testing for HIV when they say these people have aids? And is there other possible factors that could cause this immune thing? And if you're dealing with, like, it's all coming out of this gay community where there are a lot of partying, there's a lot of drug use and a lot of wild fucking, and these guys are burning it at both ends. And when you do that, sometimes you fucking die. Sometimes your immune system gets crashed. Now, clearly, I'm not fucking smart enough to know if he's right or if everyone else in the world is right. Because it's literally that right. It's like he wants that guy to be right, though. Well, there's a bunch of people that agree with them and silently agree with him. There's a bunch of people. It's actually covered in RFK jr's book on Fauci, because it has to do with Fauci.
- [28:14]
A
Fauci was in charge then. Yes. Like, he was.
- [28:17]
B
Yes. He was the one that was giving people azt. Right. So AZT was a cancer medication that was killing people quicker than cancer was. It was a chemotherapy. And not only is it a chemotherapy, this is the only time during the AIDS crisis where a chemotherapy was prescribed permanently. Because chemotherapy, the agreement is like, I'm going to Take this poison that's going to destroy my body, but it's going to kill the cancer. And then when the cancer is dead, I'm going to get healthy again, right?
- [28:46]
A
Yeah. No one gets hooked on getting therapy.
- [28:49]
B
You don't stay on.
- [28:49]
A
No one's getting an extra percentage.
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B
And it's a super strong one. And, you know, there was a lot of people that took AZT when they were asymptomatic. Like, they didn't even have any of the symptoms. They just tested positive for hiv. And this is back when Kerry Mullis, the guy who invented the PCR test, he's like, famously on record saying, like, this is no way to test for diseases. And Fauci doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. And it's the same guy that was in charge during the whole Covid thing. And you're like, that is the craziest conspiracy, that HIV doesn't cause aids. But what he's saying is HIV is present in people with already compromised immune systems and that this unique factor, that they're all hardcore drug users, was never taken into consideration.
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A
Well, I mean, certainly with COVID they didn't take it into account that it was fat people and weak people.
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B
The thing is, you gotta look at it from a profitability standpoint, and I know this is super cynical and sounds disgusting, but if you have a actual disease that you can prescribe medication for, that's valuable.
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A
Yes.
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B
If you have a bunch of people that are doing something that's super healthy, that's killing them and you don't have a solution, that's not valuable.
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A
Well, they figured it out with fat people. They got the Ozempic. I mean, people are just on the Ozempic forever.
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B
Do you know Ozempic is like the number one most profitable medication in the country?
- [30:09]
A
I believe it.
- [30:10]
B
But what. Is that true? Did I make that up? I think that's true.
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A
They're all doing.
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B
Sometimes I see things on Tick Tock and I was like, is this China?
- [30:16]
A
Also? Some of them look great.
- [30:17]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [30:18]
A
I mean, I know people on Ozempic who are. They're sprightly, they're bouncing around, doing it. No.
- [30:23]
B
Thinking about it.
- [30:23]
A
Never.
- [30:24]
B
Nope. Not no way.
- [30:25]
A
I'm a comfortable level of fat in America. No one has ever called me fat.
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B
No.
- [30:30]
A
You feel me In Australia at this body all the time.
- [30:33]
B
Really?
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A
Yeah.
- [30:34]
B
They're all fucking healthy over there. You guys got to hike everywhere.
- [30:37]
A
I think the food is better for sure. I think I've for sure. I became lactose intolerant when I came to America because I had raw milk and then I vomited green bile for a couple of days.
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B
You ate raw milk here?
- [30:49]
A
I had like a gallon of raw milk in a day.
- [30:53]
B
So raw milk, not pasteurized, not whole.
- [30:55]
A
I got it from the farmer's market. The guy looked really strong and healthy. I was like, I want that. Cool.
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B
That gave you lactose intolerance.
- [31:01]
A
I don't know. I like the milk so much. I like to believe it wasn't that it was.
- [31:05]
B
Maybe it was too much of it.
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A
I think I got some sort of weird bacteria, but I was. Yeah. Oh, green bile. Both ends.
- [31:12]
B
Really?
- [31:12]
A
Yes.
- [31:14]
B
Right now you're destroying the raw milk industry single handedly.
- [31:17]
A
I would. It also. It was the most beautiful milk I've ever had.
- [31:21]
B
Yeah.
- [31:22]
A
I don't want to be negative about raw milk. If you can have it and it doesn't do that to you. Whoo. Have you had the raw milk?
- [31:27]
B
I have.
- [31:28]
A
It's like drinking a secret.
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B
I think raw milk should be like raw meat. Leave me alone. Leave me alone. I know how to cook a steak, right. You don't tell me how to cook a steak. You let me buy raw milk. Let me buy it. Yeah, if you let me buy raw meat. Let me buy raw milk. Shut the fuck up now. Are you saying that it's killing people? Okay, where's your evidence? And is pasteurization and homogenization, which does make it more shelf stable and make it so that you could, you know, you can keep it in the refrigerator for a long time and it's still fine. And it has an expired by date.
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A
Yes.
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B
Raw milk goes bad quick. So should you drink the bad raw milk? No, definitely not. But is there anything probably limit on how much you should have super beneficial about drinking the raw milk? Well, there seems to be a lot of evidence as long as it doesn't have bacteria in it. Okay, well, how do you prevent that? Well, I feel like we can do that. See this?
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A
I don't think this doesn't feel especially well regulated.
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B
That's the problem.
- [32:21]
A
I bought it from a guy's muddy van.
- [32:23]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [32:24]
A
And then as I was vomiting and shitting, I was like, this doesn't feel natural.
- [32:26]
B
You gotta get it from a reputable farmer. But if you do get it from a reputable farm, they exist. There's like a whole website where you can find raw milk because people are raw milk nuts.
- [32:36]
A
Yeah.
- [32:36]
B
Which is also what turns me off to raw milk.
- [32:39]
A
The raw cheeses I with for about six hours. I thought I had the greatest insight anybody had ever had. This is the special milk. We should all be having it until.
- [32:47]
B
It started blowing out your body. Maybe you just drank too much.
- [32:50]
A
I did. Everyone else in the family was fine. My wife, my kids a little bit. They had a little bit.
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B
Yeah. And they probably drank too much. I mean, if you drank too much of anything, you'll get diarrhea and think about, like, how much you're. You're dealing with, how much, like, milk fat and how much liquid you can get diarrhea just from that.
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A
Overdosed on the milk.
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B
Yeah, that's. I wouldn't.
- [33:10]
A
I've never had a milk problem before then on the pasteurized milk.
- [33:12]
B
So now you have a milk problem now. So I. Every time.
- [33:17]
A
Oh, a big, heavy, weird.
- [33:19]
B
So it gave you lactose intolerance.
- [33:21]
A
It happened. I liked the milk so much. I don't want to blame the milk, but I will say it happened at the same time.
- [33:25]
B
Okay, so is. But from then on. Are you getting lactose intolerant every time you drink raw milk or regular milk?
- [33:34]
A
Regular milk, maybe. Maybe my body got used to the beautiful raw milk and it would only happen. I think I would have a hard time selling that to the wife. We're getting the raw milk back in the house.
- [33:42]
B
Yeah, that might be it, dude. I know that sounds crazy, but that might be it. Like, your body might prefer real milk and now that it knows what. Real milk. Yeah. It's like you with this boiled.
- [33:54]
A
What's happening with the bread? But I think this happened. I mean, something. Something's happening with the bread. In America, that's like. Hands feel swollen.
- [34:01]
B
I don't personally have any problem with homogenized and pasteurized milk. Like, when I drink it, it doesn't make me feel bad. I don't feel great. But I will do it if I have, like, cookies and milk, but.
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A
Oh, cookies and milk.
- [34:12]
B
Yeah. But I don't think that you should be able to tell people that they can't sell raw milk. I think you should tell people if you're gonna sell raw milk, it has to meet some certain standards.
- [34:22]
A
Sure.
- [34:23]
B
You have to have certain standards of how you cool it, what you're doing, making sure everything's clean. Everything has to be inspected. But they do that with other stuff.
- [34:31]
A
That's what USDA stands definitely put together by big business to crush small people.
- [34:36]
B
But they do it that way anyway with meat. This is my point.
- [34:39]
A
Yeah.
- [34:40]
B
There's USDA inspections. They have to make sure that the processing place is clean. Everything's supposed to be.
- [34:45]
A
Even then they still do the, like. You know, before, like, a burger used to be one cow, and they'd grind that bit up. And now it's like a thousand cows coming together.
- [34:52]
B
Right. I don't think there's laws against that. Right.
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A
I think.
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B
I don't. I think that if you. The. The cow thing is a weird thing. Like, when you're getting burgers that have, like, a thousand cows DNA in it, it is a weird thing. But, I mean, it is just meat. Right.
- [35:07]
A
But I think those standards are put there by the big corporate. Like, I was thinking about, like, housing zones and districting. Like, in Australia, the median house price is a million dollars. It's. You just. You can't buy. No one in my generation is buying a home. It's a weird. There's so much land. There's a lot of stuff. You should just be able to, like, whip up a slum with the. With your bros. You go to a valley where no one is. You all live in a. That would be better to some extent, rather than, like, renting and a horrible thing forever. You go. You used to be able to just, like, build a horrible thing. You know, there was no building regulations. Sometimes the ceiling would collapse and people would die. But.
- [35:43]
B
So you think that's better, to have no regulations?
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A
I. Yeah.
- [35:47]
B
Really?
- [35:48]
A
Yes.
- [35:49]
B
But that's how, like, stadiums collapse on people in third world countries.
- [35:52]
A
No doubt bad things will also happen.
- [35:54]
B
No, that's a dumb idea.
- [35:55]
A
I. I'm not saying no regulation. All right, I'm gonna walk back. No regulation.
- [35:58]
B
Okay.
- [35:58]
A
But it would be nice if the regulation was somehow written just with the safety in mind and not so that. I mean, there are insane. Like, there are buildings up now that are perfectly safe that wouldn't pass code. If they were built today. You couldn't build them again now.
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B
Why wouldn't they pass code?
- [36:12]
A
Cause they do things like, you know, the door has to be this far away from the stairs. The ceiling has to be this height. It needs eight fire beeping detectors.
- [36:23]
B
Yeah.
- [36:23]
A
In the same way that, you know, like, you can't cut hair without getting a degree. You need, like, a certificate to be a hairdresser. And they go, this is to make hair cutting safer. But, like, people were cutting hair without.
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B
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A
Absolutely.
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B
If you don't hold the builder accountable, the person who's making that house, even if they're making it for themselves, they will then sell that house to someone else. Most and that person will not be in a house that's necessarily the safest it could be. It just makes sense.
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A
It would result in big problems.
- [38:38]
B
It makes sense, but it makes sense. No, no, no, no, no. It makes you. You have to be. Listen, when I was a kid, I grew up in construction sites. My father was an architect, My stepdad was an architect. So when I was real young, I got to see, like, real shitty construction. How dangerous it is when people, like, around don't follow code.
- [38:58]
A
Yes.
- [38:58]
B
How many, like, shady guys do. People try to, like, use lesser materials than they're supposed to be used. It's constant. And if you don't have regulation, you put people's lives at stake.
- [39:11]
A
I don't Think America has the same problem with regulation here because you guys seem to be able to build houses. Like, houses.
- [39:17]
B
Well, we have a lot of regulations, though. Like, that's a lot of regulations. It's a giant point of contention with people.
- [39:23]
A
There's a way to do it in a way that is just to help industry make house prices stay high.
- [39:28]
B
Well, that's true, too. Both things can be true. I think there's definitely people that take advantage of regulation, and there's definitely people that most likely stifle other businesses growth through promotion of regulation. That's probably true, too. But also for some stuff, like for safety stuff in homes, you fucking need regulation. Because if you sell it to my mom and she doesn't know how anything works and then the house catches on.
- [39:53]
A
Fire, this would also be bad.
- [39:55]
B
Yeah, it's just do it the right way. They know how to do it the right way. People have established a system now. There's a bunch of shit that's arbitrary, that gets aesthetic, and I'm not in favor of that. Yeah, when people get to decide what, you know, the front of your house should look like or what color you paint it, I mean, you can make.
- [40:12]
A
Something safer forever, though. And there's no limit. There's no, like, there's no zero that you can reach of safety. Yeah, but do you think where the effort goes up to the extent where it's not.
- [40:21]
B
Yeah, but you hit a reasonable level and then you stop. And that's what the regulations are.
- [40:25]
A
We never stop. I mean, I think with driver's licenses, you should have some test for competency to drive a car. 100%, it should be something. But when, I mean, when in Australia, when I was trying to get. I didn't get my license. I was like 27, because it took forever. Like, you got to get 100 hours registered. You got to do a weird test. I got a driver's license in Ohio where I don't think road fatalities are that much higher than the rest of the well. And, you know, you get in the car, you drive around the block, the guy goes, you know how to operate this vehicle? We're going to say, it's not going to cost, you know, a thousand dollars. And yeah, it's more straightforward. There's like, there's a balance to be gotten to be gotten right.
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B
And I think 100%. I think you're 100% right.
- [41:02]
A
I relish in America that you're closer to the freedom side of things.
- [41:06]
B
100, definitely much more than Australia is. And you got to See that during the pandemic too. But the, the thing is, like, there's a difference between over regulation and Wild west, right? There's like a fine line. There's like a. There's a comfortable middle. And I think that middle has to be fought for because I think it really is important to have people that are actually experts that their job is to make sure that someone builds a house correctly. Go and look and make sure you do. But then again, you open the door. The possibility that that inspector guy is a douchebag and then he's got a chip on his shoulder and he's got a big fucking ego and people bribe him. And, you know, there's. There's always a possibility of that kind of stuff happening too, where people love to have control. People, they love to tell you can't build. They love to tell you you got to repaint your house because it's the. The color doesn't match our community.
- [41:58]
A
How do you check that? How do you, like, what is the other than like, everyone having a gun and getting ready to simmering level of violence and revolution?
- [42:05]
B
You got to fight back before they ever get to that point. It's real hard to regain ground once someone takes ground with like ridiculous legislation. Like, look, they've been trying to legalize weed in this country for fucking 50 years, and it's. They barely put a dent in it.
- [42:18]
A
I don't know how legal it is.
- [42:21]
B
They've only done it on a state level. But the point is, it's like once you lose rights, you know, like if they tried to. If marijuana was illegal just like alcohol and all of a sudden they tried to make it illegal, people would riot in the streets, like, what are you doing? You can't do that. Because it wouldn't make sense. People would be furious. But once it's done, even if it's the same exact situation, the same exact data, the same exact safety profile, the same exact number of people using it in the country. Yeah, it's just, it's been. It's been fuck. Because it got put into this weird position.
- [42:54]
A
But you guys, you got prohibition somehow. You got alcohol taken off the streets for.
- [43:00]
B
Yeah, but it was. It was bad bad, and it lasted a long time, and it led directly into marijuana prohibition. Yeah, same exact people.
- [43:08]
A
But you just need to find something to have prohibition against.
- [43:10]
B
How about cartel prohibition? How about that? You know, how about fentanyl? Stop thinking about things. But then you, you find out like, oh, wait a minute, wait a minute. There's a lot tied to this it's like the alcohol lobby doesn't want marijuana to be legalized, so they fight against it and they get politicians that are on their side. Hey, Ralph, you're gonna vote for this issue on our side?
- [43:31]
A
There's no way. Ralph came over.
- [43:32]
B
Ralph.
- [43:33]
A
Ralph Nader.
- [43:33]
B
No, no, no, not that guy. He doesn't do that. But, you know, that's. That's part of the problem too, man. It's like there's a lot of money involved in keeping it illegal. And she's like, jesus Christ.
- [43:43]
A
But at least you can have. I think America's one of the only countries that primaries. You can actually, like, get into a political party and. And if there's enough will, you can do something.
- [43:52]
B
You can really change something. They wouldn't even allow it for the Democrats to primary. For the last election, there was not even.
- [43:58]
A
On a presidential level, they're more uptight. But on a. Like, what does that mean?
- [44:01]
B
What does that mean?
- [44:02]
A
They got the super delegates and they got secret emails and it's not good. But the fact that you could even have a system to fuck up is, I think, unique to him. Like, in Britain, you gotta stick with the system. The party picks who the person is. And if you're in the party, you get a huge benefit. Oh, yeah, that you can't have like a grassroots. You can't have, like, the branch of the party go. We're putting forward a guy who's. We're gonna primary somebody. You really can primary people in America?
- [44:25]
B
Yes, you can, sort of, but not for president. Not last time. And they don't let certain people in the primaries. Like, they're keeping RFK Jr. Out of the primaries.
- [44:35]
A
Yes. And then running as an independent is.
- [44:37]
B
That's not very bad, but that's not good.
- [44:39]
A
I'm not saying you're living up to it. I'm not saying you're living up to the standards you set. But you're also the only ones who. There's even, like, people go, we should be able to do it.
- [44:46]
B
People wanted Trump to lose so badly, they were willing to throw democracy out the window. That's kind of what it is. I mean, kind of what it is. If you. If that was coming from the Republican side, people would have been outraged.
- [45:00]
A
To do it in the name of democracy was very weird, wild. And then also, I remember one of them so Orwellian. It's like my first week here, there was a Biden speech where he was talking about how, like, violence has. No, it was like, happened on about January 6th and stuff and he was saying, violence has no place in the American system. But then the example he gave was the American revolution. Like, I think that gets. You're meant to have. I think Benjamin Franklin wanted everyone having an armed uprising every, like 12 years or something to wipe the slate clean.
- [45:27]
B
Yeah.
- [45:27]
A
You're meant to. That's part of democracy. Ah. Do you know about Castro?
- [45:32]
B
What about him?
- [45:32]
A
I've just. I've. I'm in a big Wikipedia wormhole about Castro. I didn't know that he hid that he was a communist until he. He wasn't a communist or. He kept that quiet. He was like a middle class revolutionary. And then his brother was a commie, but he was like. He didn't come out and say he was a communist until later. And the CIA helped him. I've been reading Castro, CIA helped him take over. It looks like the CIA might have been. And then towards the end, they said, we gotta get out of this. This is no good. They really. They changed horses.
- [46:00]
B
Jesus Christ.
- [46:01]
A
They were really involved on both sides. But they were.
- [46:04]
B
Do we do that everywhere?
- [46:06]
A
There's one Aussie. There's one Aussie that you might have done. Gough Whitlam might have been taken out by the CIA. No, he was. He was also a problem. And people were quite happy to have him go. But the Governor General, man, bro, I don't have to go into too much detail. Look at that Pine gap. You have a military base in Australia. And he wanted to, like, get rid of it or get off American energy subsidies or something. And all of a sudden he was removed.
- [46:32]
B
Oh, boy.
- [46:33]
A
And we haven't rocked that boat again.
- [46:35]
B
We are so good at that.
- [46:37]
A
Yeah.
- [46:37]
B
Between us and the Israelis. The Israelis do the wildest assassinations. Like, did you see the one of them that they did with the Iranian generals? Let's see. Make sure that this is true, Jamie.
- [46:47]
A
I can get my visa removed for criticizing Israel.
- [46:49]
B
No, no, no, It's. This is a. This is.
- [46:51]
A
I'm impressed by their beautiful assassination.
- [46:53]
B
This is not a. This is not a criticism. This is saying, like, this is one of the most gangster things I've ever seen in my life. They made a fake phone call to all these military leaders and said, everybody's gotta meet at the bunker. And then they blew the bunker up.
- [47:06]
A
That's very Godfather. They know what they're doing.
- [47:09]
B
It's gangster as fuck. And then you add that to the pagers. They sent pagers out. Like, didn't they send them out, like, a long time in advance?
- [47:16]
A
Yeah, I think so. And they got in on the supply side of it. Like they made the pagers.
- [47:24]
B
I mean, you think about how incompetent some forms of our government are.
- [47:29]
A
Yeah.
- [47:29]
B
And then how good they are at killing people that they want dead.
- [47:33]
A
They could do that with potholes in the Midwest. That would be great. I know people out of the CIA.
- [47:38]
B
That's the same level of. Well, that's not CIA, that's the Mossad. But that's the same level of intent. Or the IDF or whoever does it over in Israel. But the same level of intensity with other things. You could dominate the world.
- [47:49]
A
I mean, we could get a train going. We could fix an actual high speed rail in Texas. I believe it.
- [47:56]
B
Imagine if they took that same kind of ingenuity and tried to fix poverty in America.
- [48:00]
A
Brian Simpson said it good. He was on stage for Bottom of the Barrel and he knocked. Like someone knocked the barrel over and they all had to pick it up. And he goes, that's the one thing that could go wrong. We should really fix that. We're never going to. It's like America. We have the resources to make sure that never happens. And we won't.
- [48:17]
B
Yeah, no, we won't. But it's. We put all of our effort into making shit that kills people quicker. That's like the most amount of money, the most amount of effort other than like consumer goods, I would say.
- [48:28]
A
Also sport. Is it at some weird, very high level here?
- [48:32]
B
Because that's war.
- [48:33]
A
It is tra. It is a very militarized society. Everyone's getting ready to. Yeah, yeah. I mean, football is just military strategy.
- [48:42]
B
Have you ever seen Serbians play basketball?
- [48:45]
A
Yes. Yeah, I've seen clips of that.
- [48:47]
B
We've seen clips.
- [48:49]
A
Stronger together.
- [48:50]
B
Serbian crowds play basketball.
- [48:52]
A
They're big.
- [48:52]
B
If that shit doesn't feel like war, the way the crowd is responding.
- [48:55]
A
Yeah.
- [48:56]
B
The cheering, the fucking enthusiasm. Like, dude, I watch it all the time just for inspiration.
- [49:00]
A
They're also the only guys other than black guys who can compete in. It's the only whites who are contributing to basketball at this point. Is the Yugoslavian.
- [49:08]
B
Yeah. The giant whites from a war like culture.
- [49:11]
A
Yeah. No one else. Sometimes an Aussie gets through. We've had like two Aussies break through.
- [49:15]
B
Serbian fighters are terrifying. The dudes from like the caucus region, like, all the guys are like, Dagus. They've been headed for Georgia animals.
- [49:24]
A
They couldn't get it to work.
- [49:25]
B
Dude. Someone just printed something or posted something about the UFC's top pound for pound list and six of them are from the caucus region.
- [49:35]
A
Six of them that seems high. But there's also sometimes that's like a genetic. Like all the, like marathon runners tend to be from one mountain in Kenya.
- [49:46]
B
There's the elite of the elite.
- [49:48]
A
Yeah, like, people go, black people are good at marathon running. But then when you boil it down, it's like, okay, but 90% of them are from Kenya. And then 90% of those people are from one mountain in Kenya with like, the air is very thin.
- [49:59]
B
Oh. So they've adapted.
- [50:01]
A
There's a book called Taboo, which is about race difference in the. In like all sports. And they break and they're like, you're this likely that, you know, you can't be a white corner. Now there is one, I think, but like rare that there are. It's very rare. It's very strange. And some of it's social stuff, but a lot of it is like I was reading a thing about Mexicans can't get knocked out.
- [50:25]
B
That's not true.
- [50:25]
A
No, there must be some. But there's like some gene that is very common in the Mexican population that makes it less likely that you'll be knocked out.
- [50:32]
B
What? Really?
- [50:33]
A
I think that's why they have lots of boxes. I'm. I'm half remembering something I read on Wikipedia late at night.
- [50:40]
B
Wouldn't that be crazy if they have such a history of boxing that boxing has somehow or another gotten into their genes to have strong chins?
- [50:46]
A
What came first? Yeah, right.
- [50:48]
B
The chicken of the egg.
- [50:49]
A
Am I right?
- [50:50]
B
Any connection between Mexican men, The specific gene, ACTN3. Saw a video on how Mexicans are so good at boxing. Mexico's produced 209 champions. That's pretty incredible. Video explains how Mexicans supposedly have a gene that has the ACTN3 which determines endurance and. Or strength, one or the other. I was wondering, is there any truth to this? What's the answer?
- [51:12]
A
This is about what I need to believe. Something is a Reddit post from four years ago.
- [51:16]
B
If you look down there. Is this just one person's post? Did someone answer them? Well, I didn't want to get into the answers because you never know. That's where like his point. You never know where this goes. Right. I was just gonna start there and then start. Let's find out if there's. Yeah. Anything to that. It's fascinating. But I would wonder because if like you think about like a history of boxing.
- [51:35]
A
Yeah.
- [51:36]
B
Boy, Mexico has such a history of boxing and also there's a high level poverty. So whenever there's a high level of poverty, there's a lot of sports where you don't need a lot of money to play them. Soccer's one.
- [51:48]
A
Yep.
- [51:48]
B
Boxing is another one. You just need gloves and you could just fuck around and guys to be good.
- [51:53]
A
If I'm getting. So there's. I was doing a bit about this, and I could never get it to like, really fly. But like Kyrgyzstan, they have a wife wrestling. You wrestle a woman into a van. If you want to marry a woman in Kyrgyzstan. You like today? Yeah. They call it Alicachu Ala Kachu. And there's a big Wikipedia page on that. But you gotta get this lady in the van against her will. And then once she gets in the van, she's so ashamed that she marries you.
- [52:15]
B
Oh, boy.
- [52:16]
A
But like, the one sport they're good at at the Olympics is women's freestyle wrestling. They're great at that. So what came first? The medals or the van? Did they have to get good at wrestling? Cause men kept putting them in vans? Or were they so good at wrestling? The men were like, let's let them show off their beautiful skills.
- [52:30]
B
That's a really good question. I would imagine they were fending off men for a long, long time. So they had to develop technique.
- [52:38]
A
I assume it was a horse before it was a van. Jesus. You can wrestle. Because they only got the van quite late. There's no way. Anyway, that's one day I'm gonna make that fly.
- [52:48]
B
If it's a part of your culture, I would, you know. Jesus.
- [52:52]
A
Yes.
- [52:52]
B
Bride kidnapping. Jesus Christ.
- [52:56]
A
Yeah. There's a lot of vice. We are breaking the law. This is mediev.
- [53:00]
B
But everyone understands the tradition, and you can't change it. Wow. Member of a local government. A small village outside of Kirg's capital. How do you say that? Bishkek. Bishkek. You think?
- [53:10]
A
I guess it's as good as mine.
- [53:11]
B
But everyone here understands it's a tradition, and you can't change it. Oh, okay. Medivh kidnapped his wife Elmira more than 10 years ago. He's one of many Kurgs men who have gotten married through the Central Asian practice of bride kidnapping.
- [53:26]
A
And they go like 80% of the time it's consensual. Like they organize. But then 20% of the time you're just wrestling a woman into a van against her will.
- [53:34]
B
So there are consensual kidnappings where two people know each other and it's kind of role playing. Then there's full on off the street abductions. Unfortunately, they both look the same.
- [53:44]
A
You really want a safeword for that?
- [53:45]
B
Whoa. It can be hard to tell if the girl you see crying for her mom and clawing at the faces of her abductors is merely acting out her part for her boyfriend and his family's sake or is actually on her way to being married against her will. Like, what the fuck?
- [54:00]
A
Very important to be able to tell the difference, I would say. I don't want to pass judgment on the people of Kyrgyzstan.
- [54:06]
B
This is the thing about the world. If you go back like 6,000, 7,000 years ago, it was all like that.
- [54:14]
A
You can go back to a hundred years ago and everyone. They were foot binding in China. They're having beautiful.
- [54:18]
B
They're still doing it.
- [54:19]
A
Didn't know they can't still be binding.
- [54:21]
B
The fate photos of it.
- [54:22]
A
They still foot binding in China.
- [54:24]
B
I mean, I don't know how widely practiced it is. They're older ladies. Yeah, I know when they stopped, but I don't think it was that long ago. Like there's people that are alive right now that have those.
- [54:33]
A
Well, I'm for it. You don't want some filthy peasant foot on your wife. You want a humble, graceful bro, you.
- [54:39]
B
Better keep those socks on.
- [54:40]
A
They do.
- [54:41]
B
I was reading about those feet are weird.
- [54:43]
A
They are. They look like they're folded in on themselves.
- [54:46]
B
So painful to walk.
- [54:48]
A
I think it's Cameroon. They do chest bind. Like they flatten a woman's when she starts getting breasts. They like you flatten the breasts. But what's weird is that it's the Christian progressive people who are doing it because the culture is once a woman has breasts, she has to get married and she has to come out of school. So because you love your daughter, you iron the boobs down so that she doesn't have to get married for a couple years. Isn't that funny?
- [55:12]
B
Jesus Christ.
- [55:13]
A
They should put an end to it.
- [55:15]
B
Oh, last shoe factory making Lotus shoes closed in nineteen nine. Wow.
- [55:21]
A
It could be some Michael Jordan Lotus shoes.
- [55:25]
B
Lotus shoes. Oh my God. So when did this start? 1200s or something like those. Wow. The 1200. Look at that lady's foot. Look at that. That is so crazy.
- [55:40]
A
I just see beauty. I just see.
- [55:43]
B
I see painful pinky toes. How is that lady ever going to take like an aerobics class? Look. Look how it's become the part of the bottom of her foot. That's so crazy. How badly does that with your back?
- [55:55]
A
It's so big on that screen. I'd never seen him that big before.
- [55:59]
B
Bro, those feet are busted up.
- [56:02]
A
But the commies stamped it out mostly.
- [56:05]
B
Well, it's Probably. It can't work.
- [56:07]
A
No, you got to be. Yeah. You can't partake in the great glorious revolution or the Lotus shoe. They are beautiful shoes.
- [56:14]
B
Ugh. That's so crazy.
- [56:16]
A
You can't buy them. Straight to shopping. You never know.
- [56:19]
B
Is that the same thing? No, that's a brand name. That's a brand name.
- [56:23]
A
You walk into your house, it's all O.J. simpson merchandise and footbound Lotus shoes.
- [56:31]
B
That's hilarious. What a fucked up practice.
- [56:34]
A
Yeah, there's a lot of them.
- [56:35]
B
Yeah. What about the one where women put plates in their lips?
- [56:38]
A
Or plates in the lip. The neck extension. I love the rings. Neck extension.
- [56:42]
B
The ring. Neck extensions don't even make sense. Like, how does that work? Like, if you take it off, will your head fall off? Like, do you have any muscles left? Do you have any muscles left to support your head?
- [56:55]
A
I would doubt it.
- [56:56]
B
Like, you have to keep that on for the rest.
- [56:57]
A
I don't think they're meant to be that long. No, I think.
- [57:00]
B
Bro, that's fucking insane. That's insane.
- [57:03]
A
Just one guy saw a giraffe and he was like, can we do that? That's hard.
- [57:08]
B
Is that a Photoshop? Is that Photoshop? It's the same person in multiple.
- [57:11]
A
That's.
- [57:11]
B
That's really legit.
- [57:12]
A
But there's a young lady doing it.
- [57:14]
B
That's Photoshop. That can't be real. That can't be real. That lady's head is 15.
- [57:18]
A
That's like. That last one's like, AI porno for Nick, guys.
- [57:21]
B
Bro, that's so dark. Dude, that's so weird. Like, I don't like that at all.
- [57:27]
A
Yeah.
- [57:27]
B
Video of it, so. Oh, don't show me. Oh, they just keep piling those things on and fitting them.
- [57:36]
A
Yeah.
- [57:37]
B
What a weird thing to do to your neck, man. That's got.
- [57:40]
A
But we do weird stuff. We inject lips, bro.
- [57:42]
B
That's crazy. She's got a towel under her chin.
- [57:45]
A
But they could be watching it, being like, you know, in America, they chop off a little boy's penis and they turn it into a pretend vagina. Isn't that sick and wrong?
- [57:52]
B
Well, they probably do that there, too. And I would agree with them.
- [57:55]
A
That's a very important part of our culture.
- [57:57]
B
I wonder if they do do it. You know, someone in the green room was saying the other day, the reason why there's so many lady boys in Thailand was because being homosexual was illegal.
- [58:10]
A
Wasn't it legal everywhere?
- [58:12]
B
This person that said it is just. They said it in passing. I don't know if it was true. And I was, I meant to google it and I totally forgot until now.
- [58:18]
A
I mean it could be. I'm pretty sure it was illegal all over the place. And no one else was doing that. That. No, no said that.
- [58:26]
B
That's true.
- [58:27]
A
Killer reaction.
- [58:28]
B
Well, you know, that's the, the thing about. What is that? Turing. Alan Turing.
- [58:34]
A
Yeah.
- [58:34]
B
Alan Turing was the guy who invented the Turing Test.
- [58:37]
A
And he was gay. And they.
- [58:38]
B
Yeah, and they poisoned him. They gave him like hormone blockers.
- [58:42]
A
Was it just cuz he was gay? Yeah. There were so many gay British guys though.
- [58:47]
B
Yeah.
- [58:47]
A
But he was like a long history of like Oscar Wilde. Everyone knew he was gay. And it was only when he went after a guy's son that I think they went, oh yeah, I think he went after a guy's young son.
- [58:56]
B
Well, they can always target you for it though.
- [58:58]
A
If they want to get you for something else, they will. Yeah, they use that. But I think Byron was off, but.
- [59:03]
B
He was like hospitalized. Legality of same sex activity, private, adult, consensual and non commercial sodomy was. Was decriminalized in Thailand in 1956. However, same sex attraction and transgender identities were still seen as socially unacceptable. In many cases, those with gender expression or behavior falls out of social norms are less likely to be tolerated or accepted. So what happened just this year? The. They've allowed same sex marriage.
- [59:35]
A
They've allowed adoption from this year. But that's very late to it because I think a lot of gay couples have been going there to get children for a long time and now they're saying you can have them here. That's a big. That's not spoken about is the, the rent a womb and that.
- [59:52]
B
It's kind of bizarre.
- [59:53]
A
I'm against it.
- [59:54]
B
It's very strange. The idea of a surrogate is very odd. Like you're having a baby, but it's not really you having the baby. Like okay, I get it. If someone can't have a baby, the couple wants to have a baby, they hire a surrogate. I get it. It's your genes, it's your baby. But it's still.
- [60:08]
A
But also there's. I mean I know Elon has like a lot of kids with different ladies, but I mean that's the public one. He's like one of the only public facing billionaires. There's gotta be guys out there who are like, I'm getting, getting. I'm getting 10,000 kids. I'm like, take my cum and move it out across. I'm going to be Genghis Khan with science.
- [60:28]
B
Well, guys have done that. That are doctors.
- [60:30]
A
They just put their own cum. Oh, yeah. There's a breakout case in Adelaide. There's a guy who's. There's maybe a thousand siblings in Adelaide, my hometown.
- [60:37]
B
Oh, man. Every time guys get a chance, they do it. Surrogacy has a long history dating back to ancient times. The real examples found in Babylon in the Bible. While traditionally involved natural conception, modern surrogacy, including artificial insemination and in vitro fertilization, has been developed through scientific and legal advancements. Okay, but the thing is, it's like they're just playing with words. Hold on, let's go back. Because they're saying surrogacy for someone having sex with something and getting them pregnant and having a baby, that's not surrogacy. You got a pregnant with.
- [61:09]
A
That's a mistress.
- [61:10]
B
Yeah. You got another lady pregnant. That's all that is. So what we think of as surrogacy is you taking an embryo and inserting it into another woman's womb, Right?
- [61:20]
A
Yeah.
- [61:21]
B
That's a completely new thing. And I think that's where it's weird.
- [61:25]
A
It's common in, like, wives of soldiers.
- [61:28]
B
The other one's like an agreement, like, if the wife can't get pregnant, but she wants to have a baby, and she says, listen, if you fuck my best friend, she'll have the baby, and then we'll. We'll take care of the baby.
- [61:37]
A
Yeah.
- [61:38]
B
And I know that I can't have babies, but you, you know, that's. If you guys are that kind of swingers and you're down with that, that's. That's up to you.
- [61:47]
A
That feels different from science.
- [61:49]
B
Not surrogacy. You just had a baby with a different human.
- [61:51]
A
No. Surrogacy seems bad and wrong. I'm digging in.
- [61:56]
B
Well, bro, it's going to go to artificial wombs. All right? That's going to be the new one. And whether that's 20 years from now or 50 years from now, you're going to be able to make a baby outside of a human body. It's going to get real freaky.
- [62:09]
A
We got to be. We got to draw a hotline.
- [62:11]
B
We pulled this up. I was. The IVF thing gave me a weird thought. I'm a little stone thought. Well, it's not possible how Jesus was born, was it? They didn't have any sort of way.
- [62:21]
A
An IVF baby, like, forgot about it.
- [62:23]
B
Could be. Could be that they had that technique.
- [62:25]
A
Jamie was the Holy Spirit.
- [62:27]
B
I'm Just. I. I know what they say. I'm just. But, like. Yeah, well, advocate, obviously, but. Well, for sure they could have inserted sperm into her without her ever having sex. They could have impregnated.
- [62:39]
A
I think there's, like, dolphins that can do it. If dolphins are on their own for a long time, then an egg can fertilize another egg. It doesn't happen often, but there are examples of it.
- [62:49]
B
Really?
- [62:49]
A
Yes.
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B
That's nuts.
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A
I think I believe that. I've read that.
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B
You sure?
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A
I've said that loudly and confidently at a party before. It might have been.
- [63:00]
B
That sounds so crazy that a mammal could do that. Dolphins don't lay egg.
- [63:04]
A
Yeah.
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B
Inside of them.
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A
They can be so happy. I think it's like a couple examples of auto insemination.
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B
So it's like one of the eggs has so much jizz in it that it leaks out.
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A
You get a very butch egg.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You get a trans egg.
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B
You get. Maybe one of the eggs is male and it just jizzes on the other egg.
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A
You know, it's an early developer.
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B
Yeah. Just like, comes out of. Maybe jizz is like in some of them out of the box.
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A
I think there's virgin birth in nature. It's not common.
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B
Definitely animals switch genders. The animals, like, especially, like primitive, reptilian type weird animals.
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A
Yeah.
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B
They can. There's. There's certain animals that can switch their genders.
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A
I think seahorse ladies have a penis.
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B
I think so.
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A
Am I getting that?
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B
You know, hyenas have a penis. Females.
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A
No, I didn't know that.
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B
Bigger than the males.
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A
Just for show.
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B
No, they dominate the males. They're bigger than Peg.
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A
The males.
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B
Female hyenas, they're one of the rare matriarchal mammals. So the females are bigger than the males. They have more testosterone than the males, and they have bigger dicks and they hold the males down. You want some of this pussy? And then the male has to take his little dick and stick it inside of her big dick.
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A
Well, with the big and that lady dick just slapping against his belly.
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B
Yeah. You want to hear even worse? 60% of all hyenas that are born suffocate to death during childbirth. Coming out of that dick. Because they're coming out.
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A
They come out of the dick. The vagina's on the tip of the dick.
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B
No, it's. It's really a vagina.
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A
Come on.
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B
It's a vagina, but it's like, can.
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A
We see the hyena?
- [64:39]
B
Oh, it's. It's bananas. It's bananas.
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A
I Want it?
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B
Because I call. They call it like a faux penis.
- [64:44]
A
I think last time Shane came on here, I think you guys were talking about the trans penises. And then he just kept texting me the trans penises.
- [64:51]
B
Oh, he's horrible. He's horrible.
- [64:52]
A
Just wake up in the middle of the night, it shows you these skin.
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B
Graft scars, you know, like, what am I looking at?
- [64:58]
A
Why is it so much bigger than mine? Why can't you have a humble penis? I've got to see. Wow.
- [65:03]
B
Yeah. All right, so female hyenas have this giant fake dick and ah. Yeah, it's huge.
- [65:10]
A
They have to put their penis. Have to put their dicks in.
- [65:13]
B
Exactly. And that's how the babies come out of that. And a lot of the babies die on the way out.
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A
We've got to destroy all the hyenas.
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B
60% I think, I think that's the number. Let's make sure that that's the correct number. I'm pretty sure it is.
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A
I think it's the hyena.
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B
People will be furious if they 60% suffocate during childbirth. And then on top of that like then they fight over who gets the nipple and some of them get killed.
- [65:36]
A
Well, that's why they're so unhappy all the time.
- [65:38]
B
The Lion King, they're just in the most ruthless environment and they're not the biggest animals. 18% first time mother. That's the mother dying. Oh, 9 to 18, the mother dies. Jesus Christ. That's crazy.
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A
Got eyes out.
- [65:57]
B
She imagined 80% of the women dying because the they're giving birth. Yeah. 60% of all spotted hyena cubs die in the early stages of life, especially from the first litter. Some scientific observations place a survival rate of firstborn cubs at around 40% or less. Wow.
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A
So siblicide is huge.
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B
Sibilicide is very huge. They fight to the death over like.
- [66:21]
A
Little nipples and like stepdads are not common in the animal kingdom.
- [66:26]
B
Well that's also why female hyenas I think are bigger, they're gonna protect. Yeah, I think they're there to. Because the men hyenas are. And the men probably eat the babies because that happens in other community like that happens in bears in the bear world, female tigers or female bears, rather the reason why when you stumble upon a female bear. Yeah, she's ready to you up like this. The worst thing that can happen in the woods, you stumble upon a female bear with her cubs, you're in real trouble. If you stumble upon a male and he might let you go, he might he might not have any interest in you at all. But if you stumble, if you're too close to the cubs, if like she is in front and the cubs are behind and you're behind them, he's run away, bro. You might not have the time. She might just come for you. And you can't do a goddamn thing about it because she's dealing with male grizzlies eating her cubs all the time. So she's always on tent.
- [67:23]
A
I mean, if we go to Yosemite, should we bring a gun?
- [67:26]
B
You shouldn't go off trail for sure.
- [67:28]
A
All right.
- [67:29]
B
You shouldn't go off trail. You should definitely bring bear spray if you're any. But Yosemite is in California, right? I fucked this up before. Yellowstone has the grizzlies.
- [67:38]
A
This is Wyoming.
- [67:38]
B
Yosemite has the black bears. Black bears generally aren't as dangerous as.
- [67:44]
A
Grizzly bears, are they Grizzly bears in California?
- [67:47]
B
No, there's not. Even though it's the flag. The state flag. Yeah, it's the bear on the flag.
- [67:51]
A
The flag misled me.
- [67:52]
B
Well, they killed too many people and they, they killed them all.
- [67:56]
A
But they've got coyotes still running around.
- [67:58]
B
Coyotes don't really kill people though. They kill your cats and dogs. Mountain lions occasionally kill people, but grizzlies were killing a lot.
- [68:04]
A
I feel like you guys have way more animals that kill people than we do.
- [68:07]
B
Oh yeah, for sure.
- [68:08]
A
People talk about our animals all the time. We got a snake and we've got a spider. No, but you want to watch out for.
- [68:12]
B
You got salt water crocodiles.
- [68:14]
A
Yeah, but if you stay away from the crocs.
- [68:16]
B
What are you talking about?
- [68:17]
A
You just keep away from Far North Queensland. But they are.
- [68:21]
B
Yeah, but you. So you have to avoid a whole part of your country because it's infested by monsters.
- [68:25]
A
We were happy to give that one up to the Japanese. We made a deal that if the Japanese invaded, we'd let them have the saltwater crocodile part of the country. Have you seen is Bob Katter. This is like our best clip from a politician. He's talking about gay marriage and he turns it into talking about crocodiles.
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B
No.
- [68:40]
A
Oh, Bob Katter crocodile is my favourite. It he. He wins his Far North Queensland seat every year. He's not in any party, but he's like, I'm. Yeah, Let a thousand blossoms bloom. Oh yeah, let me hear it.
- [68:56]
B
I mean, you know, people are entitled.
- [68:58]
A
To the sexual proclivities, you know, I.
- [69:02]
B
Mean, let there be a thousand blossoms bloom.
- [69:05]
A
As far as I'm concerned. You know, but I ain't spending any.
- [69:08]
B
Any time on it because in the.
- [69:11]
A
Meantime every three months a person is.
- [69:14]
B
Torn to pieces by a crocodile in North Queensland.
- [69:17]
A
He's the man. He needs more power in our government every three months. That's just how he thought.
- [69:22]
B
Person is torn apart by a crocodile in North Queensland. Yeah, true.
- [69:26]
A
I believe it. Jesus Christ. Well, there's a lot of, you know, a lot of people, there's a lot of everything, they come in the ocean as well. They swim out of the waters.
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B
I want you to imagine this.
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A
Yeah.
- [69:36]
B
What if every three months someone got killed by a werewolf? Would you still go out at night?
- [69:41]
A
Yeah. Yes I would.
- [69:44]
B
Every three months someone gets killed by a werewolf in your town.
- [69:48]
A
I mean how many people are dying on the roads every day?
- [69:51]
B
I understand, but there's something uniquely terrified about getting eaten.
- [69:55]
A
The crocs never got Steve Irwin. That was the, that was the raise. I'm more upset by the rays.
- [70:01]
B
Well, he knew how to handle the crocs. What's that? Four deaths since 20. 20 and nine non fatal attacks.
- [70:06]
A
Oh it's.
- [70:07]
B
Well that's no stuff you can. You just didn't die. You got ripped apart though. Nine. Yeah, but that's not three. That's not like what he was saying come down. He was his number that he was saying.
- [70:18]
A
He said three a month. Did.
- [70:19]
B
What did he say also? Seven years.
- [70:21]
A
Every three months. Every three months.
- [70:22]
B
Oh, every three months.
- [70:23]
A
We might have clamped down on it.
- [70:24]
B
It's only four a year.
- [70:26]
A
Yeah, but also there's, you know, you're not walking through the city and going. The crocs gonna come and get.
- [70:33]
B
Yeah, but if you go anywhere near a lake and you make the wrong kind of vibrations.
- [70:37]
A
Yeah, they were very. I went to Cairns once and they were all very scared.
- [70:40]
B
They come out so quick. They come out so quick, dude.
- [70:44]
A
So. What a beautiful way to die if you have to.
- [70:45]
B
Not beautiful at all. Nope, nope.
- [70:47]
A
He was eaten by a crocodile.
- [70:48]
B
Reptilian evil. The last moments of your life will be horrible energy that you will pass on to the cosmos. You will die in the most horrific way possible. They all fit on two pieces of paper.
- [71:00]
A
Yeah, well he's overplaying. He's over 85.
- [71:02]
B
These are all the people that have been cans.
- [71:04]
A
Cans. Cape York. Cape York. That's up north.
- [71:08]
B
There's a lot of non fatals in there. Or dudes.
- [71:11]
A
Very few people. No one. You know, we don't have. We've got Cairns. That would be the biggest city up north.
- [71:16]
B
Are those as large as the Nile crocodiles, the saltwater crocodiles.
- [71:22]
A
I don't know how big a Nile crocodile is.
- [71:23]
B
Well, I think I only just saw.
- [71:25]
A
An alligator for the first time. They're not as scary.
- [71:28]
B
Well, you got to see a big one, dude. Lady just got killed in Orlando by one last week. Saltwater. Larger. More vicious. Salt waters are larger than the Niles. More aggressive, bro. You have the most aggressive crocodiles in the world.
- [71:38]
A
We got them. And we got. It's a lot of koalas and kangaroos. Kangaroos are so friendly.
- [71:42]
B
But you have the most aggressive dinosaur in the world in your country.
- [71:48]
A
That's why to get. Get torn apart by one would be an honor.
- [71:51]
B
Yeah, okay.
- [71:52]
A
It would be. No, you know what I do?
- [71:55]
B
I'd like to get together with some special forces dudes and kill those from the air. Okay. Everybody thinks you have to keep them alone. You got to keep them around. Yeah. I think maybe we keep three in a zoo and everybody else is dead.
- [72:06]
A
They're beautiful. Crazy.
- [72:07]
B
Turn them into shoes. You know about the cage of death? What's that? You can get into a cage?
- [72:12]
A
Yeah.
- [72:13]
B
Don't you show me.
- [72:14]
A
That's a good cage. That's a strong cave. You'd be fine.
- [72:17]
B
No, no, no. People. Why do you want to do that? Don't want to do.
- [72:21]
A
Jesus.
- [72:21]
B
That is such a monster. Such a heartless monster. If that thing opened up somehow, accidentally, it would love to eat you. What is wrong with people?
- [72:32]
A
Scratches on it, too. He's trying to get in there.
- [72:36]
B
Look at that thing. It's so big. They're so terrifying, dude. I mean, it is a monster. And that's not even a big one, man. I have a friend, his name is Jim Shockey, and he's a professional hunter. He lives in Canada. And they sent him to Africa to shoot crocodiles because they were killing so many people in this one village. And he said when he got there, there was this one particular big croc that was there that was just killing everybody. Everybody was, like, missing a foot. Everybody had one arm, like, for real.
- [73:07]
A
It's like the jaws, but for crocodile. Yeah.
- [73:09]
B
He said it was crazy. It's like so many people in this town had been bitten by crocodiles. So they had developed this system where they put posts in the ground, in the water so that they knew the crocodiles couldn't get into that. Right. So what the crocodiles did was go around it and sneak into the water when the people weren't around.
- [73:27]
A
They're impressive. Beautiful. Have you seen in India when they get, like, A puma in the village, and everyone's standing on the roof, and the puma's, like, running around the streets, and the guys are trying to throw a net on it.
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B
Yeah, nuts.
- [73:37]
A
Is that it?
- [73:39]
B
The Philippines? Oh, my God. It's over 20ft. Oh, is that a saltwater one?
- [73:44]
A
It looks bigger because they're very small people.
- [73:45]
B
But that's so big, dude. That's so big. That's such a dinosaur.
- [73:51]
A
And then we turn it into handbags and shoes.
- [73:53]
B
Thank God I went down a rabbit hole. The other. It's so funny that people want to keep them around. I know. I'm like. I want to be real clear. I don't want them to go extinct for sure. I'm just mostly just fucking around here.
- [74:04]
A
They shouldn't be in residential, but it.
- [74:07]
B
Is weird that we tolerate a certain amount of monsters.
- [74:11]
A
It's weird to reintroduce them. Seems nutty. Oh, when people are bringing the wolves.
- [74:16]
B
Back, bro, the thing they're doing in Colorado is so stupid, because this is what they did, okay? Colorado took these wolves from Oregon that had been preying on cattle, and then they moved them into Colorado, where they preyed on cattle.
- [74:30]
A
Yeah.
- [74:30]
B
And then the people whose cattle they were preying on got pissed off, so they took a bunch of them and removed them and put them in Pitkin county, over by Aspen, where they prey on cattle. It's the dumbest thing. Everyone's like, oh, it's gonna be industry. No, they're dumb. They don't know what they're doing. It's wildlife. It's ballot box.
- [74:52]
A
No, it's the governor.
- [74:53]
B
The governor and his husband wanted to do it this way. They wanted to reintroduce wolves, like, but wolves were already on their way to being reintroduced to Colorado. They were doing it naturally. There's wolves. There's a pack of wolves that was established that had already made their way into Colorado, Colorado borders Wyoming. Wyoming has wolves. So they were getting wolves.
- [75:11]
A
Is this a tourism thing or they just, like, abstract one. Wolves.
- [75:15]
B
They just like, look, there's some. There's some, like, real thought that could be put into whether or not an ecosystem should be balanced with the proper amount of predators. And if you. The human race were responsible for killing off this one major predator that was in this ecosystem that seems irresponsible, and maybe we can bring that animal back and it would balance out the system. This is the thought process. The problem with that is these animals have become accustomed to just killing cattle. They did it in Oregon, then they did in Colorado. And then they're doing it where they are now. And everybody wants to pretend it's not happening. Yeah, they want to pretend they didn't do that. They didn't do a giant fuck up. These are not wild wolves that are going to go out and hunt down elk and make the population smaller. No, they're used to preying on cattle.
- [76:05]
A
Yeah.
- [76:05]
B
So they're killing cows all the time.
- [76:07]
A
But there's a lot of people who want to hunt, right? Like there are people who want to take out the animals that the wolves would have taken out.
- [76:13]
B
Well, yeah, but you should have a balance. You should have mountain lions, like, like the wild can't. You can't sterilize certain aspects of the ecosystem because they're dangerous to you. But what you shouldn't do is take these animals and then moved him into an area where nothing is prepared. Yeah, the ranchers aren't prepared. No one warned them. They moved him to that area without letting anybody know. One of my friends has a ranch there. They released some of the wolves on his property. And these wolves now all of a sudden, wolves that are used to killing cattle are killing cattle down there.
- [76:49]
A
Yeah. Cause it would be way easier.
- [76:51]
B
They're easier. They're all together. They don't run away. They stand still and you kill the calves.
- [76:57]
A
They're like in Britain they got rid of all the wolves.
- [76:59]
B
If they got rid of all the wolves everywhere, dude. There's a reason why they did it. It was because wolves are like the most intelligent. They're like psychic super predators. They're the most intelligent of all predators. They're the only predator that we have in North America that hunts in a pack. And they're big. You're dealing with a hundred pound plus animal that hunts in a pack.
- [77:20]
A
They're bringing back the direwolf as well.
- [77:23]
B
Well, so that's different. Okay, this is not.
- [77:26]
A
But they were not happy with the size of the wolves.
- [77:28]
B
They're not going to put it in the wild. All right. They brought to show that this, this gene editing that they do for animals is legitimate. So to do that, they reproduced an animal from the genes of one of them. What was it? What were the numbers? Jamie? One was like 50, 000 years old and one was like 70, 000 years old. When Bess Shapiro was in here, the, the lady who's like the head geneticist, brilliant woman, she was explaining it all to us. And it's just the whole thing is bananas. So they essentially didn't even know what they were going to look like, until they came out.
- [78:00]
A
Is the hope that we get the dinosaurs. Well, they're trying to build Jurassic Park.
- [78:04]
B
100% that's going to come if they have DNA from a dinosaur. I don't think they do. I don't think it's possible. I think it's too degraded when it's that old that you don't find, like. But maybe they'll find.
- [78:15]
A
But the Tasmanian devils, definitely. They're always trying to bring that back.
- [78:19]
B
No, the Tasmanian tiger.
- [78:20]
A
Sorry.
- [78:21]
B
Tasmanian devils.
- [78:22]
A
Devils is there around.
- [78:23]
B
That's a weird one because they get cancer from biting each other. They get face cancer.
- [78:27]
A
They all have weird. I mean, all the koalas have chlamydia.
- [78:31]
B
Do they really?
- [78:32]
A
Yeah, probably from silos Australia. Well, they're very cute. They're very. That's the. It's the dugong of the land.
- [78:41]
B
Those Tasmanian devils, they bite each other in the face and they get these horrible face deformities. It's like. It's like communicable cancer. It's like cancer that they transfer to each other. It's real weird.
- [78:53]
A
Do you think that before we got there.
- [78:55]
B
I don't think it has anything to do with us. I don't think that's. I think it has something to do with like, whatever the fuck is in their mouth. You know, it could be just all the horrible shit that they eat.
- [79:06]
A
Yeah.
- [79:07]
B
And then they bite each other and their teeth are probably rotten and disgusting. I don't know. Like, fine. Why do Tasmanian tiger or devils rather give each other cancer? Cancer? Let's find out.
- [79:18]
A
Well, what are they? I mean, we could let them know. What, are we going to brush their teeth?
- [79:23]
B
Can't do anything unless you can come up with a medication that stops it from happening. Like an antibiotic or something. I just don't understand, like, how cancer can be communicable like that. Like, you can just transfer it by biting. Seems crazy.
- [79:38]
A
Yeah. If you got covered in a tumor, you wouldn't get cancer, would you?
- [79:42]
B
Okay. Devil facial tumor disease. It's a contagious, fatal cancer that primarily affects the face and the mouth area of Tasmanian devils. Diseases significantly impacted the wild population, posing a serious threat to their survival. What is it? DFTD is a transmissible cancer, meaning it spreads through the transfer of living cancer cells, primarily via biting.
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A
They didn't notice till the 90s.
- [80:07]
B
Wow. The tumors usually start as lesions or patches in the mouth and on the face and grow into large disfiguring masses. The disease is almost universally fatal. Whoa.
- [80:16]
A
So we must have Done this. We must be somehow. But if. If it started in the 90s and now they're going extinct because of it.
- [80:22]
B
But that does happen with animals.
- [80:23]
A
Sometimes that feels like weird timing that they were getting by for a hundred thousand years and then 200 years after Whitey gets there.
- [80:31]
B
But that's. It's possible, right? Yeah, it's good to be cynical.
- [80:36]
A
We're about to name a football team after them.
- [80:39]
B
They're a crazy animal. You ever hear the sounds they make?
- [80:41]
A
No.
- [80:42]
B
Let's play that. Play the sounds of a Tasmanian Devil. They sound so cool. Like. He was my favorite character for sure in the Warner Brothers cartoons, the Tasmanian Devil. He'd spin around. It was funny.
- [80:56]
A
When I found out that was at university, people kept going like, he's black. Do you know he's black.
- [81:00]
B
Bugs Bunny's black.
- [81:01]
A
That's like a big thing that he was a black coated character. He's always like relaxed. Oh, and he's got a cool plan that he's working on. He's a zoot suit guy from the 20s.
- [81:10]
B
Yeah. Let me hear some of this. Yeah, look.
- [81:30]
A
Devil was an easy name to pick. No, no points for the guy who came up with that.
- [81:38]
B
I mean, if you called it anything else, I would be disappointed.
- [81:41]
A
I miss our beautiful Australian animals. I miss the trees. I got to go through California and see all the, like, the gum trees again. I hadn't seen gum trees in forever.
- [81:51]
B
Look at that.
- [81:52]
A
That's so nice. What a ferocious little something gets in the blood where it's like. That's what I think an animal should look like.
- [81:58]
B
You know what I saw, that's what I think. Foliage should be close recently from. For the. I think maybe the first time, a wolverine.
- [82:05]
A
They real?
- [82:05]
B
Yeah, yeah. No, the real animal. Yeah, it was at a huge upper.
- [82:09]
A
Badger?
- [82:09]
B
No, it's a badger. It's in the badger family, I think. But I saw one at like this nature preserve when I was on the road. It was pretty interesting, man. You see those little, like. They're unbelievably ferocious. They scare bears off of carcasses and they weigh like 50 pounds.
- [82:26]
A
They're a. This is the year that I've seen the most animals because I've got kids and we travel around and I go, I've been to like eight zoos this year.
- [82:33]
B
Oh, cool.
- [82:33]
A
There's a lot of zoos, but they're. Man. Did you know in New York they had a guy at the zoo? They had a human zoo.
- [82:40]
B
What is he fighting here? Jamie? Yes.
- [82:42]
A
Wait, that's the Wolverine.
- [82:44]
B
Yeah, wolverine.
- [82:45]
A
We get at the animal fight videos.
- [82:46]
B
I Wolverine.
- [82:47]
A
I think he pissed himself while that was happening.
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B
Of course, he probably pisses himself all over the place. Just probably make himself more ferocious. Like the wolf gets a hold of them. I've seen mountain lions get a hold of them and they don't kill them. They're like unbelievably durable.
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A
You ever watch the, like the bird and the fish that goes on for.
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B
Like the bird and the fish.
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A
There's like a heron trying to get a small fish and they play it in slow motion. They put classical music behind it. No animals trying to get away from other. That's a big.
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B
Oh, I've watched a lot of those animals trying to get away from animals. Yeah.
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A
Running fast across the wilderness. You want them to get away.
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B
So your animals, you have a lot of weirdness going on over there, right? Because you have kangaroos. Sometimes they get like an infestation, right?
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A
Yeah. Then they go up in a helicopter and they gun down the kangaroos.
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B
What used to kill the kangaroos back in the day.
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A
I don't think anything was killing them.
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B
So how did they get to.
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A
I think that might have just been less arable land. Maybe they had like less to eat. Oh, I assume they would starve, but like I don't think anything kills the emus. We lost all our big predators.
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B
The predators are two dingoes, but dingoes came later.
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A
Dingoes I think came from India.
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B
Yeah. But here's the thing, man. Some kangaroos are like six feet tall.
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A
They're huge, but they'll only bother you. So there's that one video of the guy with the dog. Right.
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B
What I'm saying is good luck to the dingo.
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A
Yeah.
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B
These get big.
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A
Well, they're in pack stuff are dingoes are. Yeah.
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B
Oh.
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A
So I think they're impacts.
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B
Well, they probably don't hunt the big males either, right, bro? Look at all.
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A
I miss Australia.
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B
Do you?
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A
Yeah.
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B
What do you miss the most?
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A
Oh, I missed the football, I missed the. The accent.
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B
Look at all these.
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A
I don't remember that. That doesn't usually happen. We don't usually get together.
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B
And what's all the demon cults?
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A
It was during COVID when everyone was inside. There was like kangaroos came back into the town, they were jumping about.
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B
So this is a mob of kangaroos.
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A
That was. That does look like a mob. You'll see him. You'll go on like a nature walk and you'll see a kangaroo in the distance just looking at you.
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B
Geez.
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A
But they're like, you know, they seem friendly and mysterious, and then they jump away.
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B
So was there, like, more dingoes all over Australia at one point in time?
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A
I think we clamped down on it at some point.
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B
Clamped down on the dingo?
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A
Well, there was that lady who lost a baby and she said a dingo got it, and no one believed it. And now they think the dingo maybe got their baby. But also the dingoes are all in there. I've never seen a dingo.
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B
Imagine your dingo eating your baby and nobody believes you.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Isn't that crazy? Not only is it horrible that a dingo ate your baby, but then all.
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A
Of a sudden, people call you a liar.
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B
You killed your baby.
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A
All right. My favorite one is the poet, Ted Hughes. He's married to Sylvia Plath. He comes home, she's killed herself in the oven. Very sad, very difficult.
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B
She's killed herself in the oven.
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A
I don't think he came home. He'd left her by that point for another woman. She gassed herself in the oven.
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B
Oh, God.
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A
Then he. The woman. I think it's the woman that he runs away with. A couple years later, she also kills herself in the family oven. His second wife. So, like, from the outside, people in the British literary establishment start going, I think he's killing his wives in the oven. You can't have a second oven suicide. It's a for me once type situation.
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B
Well, you could if the second wife obsessed about the death of the first wife to the point.
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A
Boy, you'd be careful with wife number three. You'd say, we're going electric oven.
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B
Well, these are ex wives, right?
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A
Yeah, once they. I think he was still married to the second one.
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B
Oh, okay.
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A
He didn't have to leave her, but he.
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B
So while they were married, she axed herself like that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. Well, that guy's probably got shitty choice in ladies.
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A
He. I believe it used to be so cautious. The second one in the same white.
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B
Yeah, that's an issue. You'd be like, this keeps coming up.
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A
Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
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B
Yeah, like, that's the thing about, like, the Clinton body count. People go, like, if 51 of your friends commit suicide, very sad, like something's going on. That's a. That's a giant number. Most people don't have 51 close associates whack themselves in strange ways.
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A
Some people are unlucky.
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B
One of. One of the guys hung himself from a tree by extension cord and then shot himself in the chest with a. With a shotgun.
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A
Yeah, because he's a hard worker. He was probably a good part of the DNC operation. He didn't want to leave it to chance. Yeah. The mysterious suicide they keep. It's hard not to get into the conspiracy. I try not to have a conspiratorial mindset because I get unhappy.
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B
Well, we already talked about what Israel did. They made the fake phone call, but.
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A
That was only because it was impressive and I thought it was cool.
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B
Right? It is cool.
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A
But the beepers, they came out and they said, we did it.
- [87:24]
B
Both of them are cool, but it's a conspiracy. They conspired to whack somebody.
- [87:28]
A
They did conspire.
- [87:29]
B
Yeah. And they did it. And they pulled it off.
- [87:31]
A
Well, they also. They were getting like, the last Nazis for a while.
- [87:37]
B
Oh, yeah.
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A
Over the letter half.
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B
Hunt them down 50 years later, 60 years later. Hunt them down. Yeah.
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A
You think they'd managed to clear up Hamas quicker?
- [87:46]
B
It's one of the weirder things. You ever see that show Hunting Hitler or Finding Hitler?
- [87:51]
A
Nah.
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B
Okay.
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A
I've seen shows like that on the History Channel. I don't know if I've seen that one.
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B
Tim Kennedy was on it. And they all went down to Argentina. And one of the things you find in Argentina is, like, entire towns where people speak German.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so what?
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A
Italians, too?
- [88:07]
B
Well, yeah. Right, Ms. Lunis. Guys.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so they found all these photographs of, like, SS soldiers on the walls in people's houses. Like, there's a television show about it.
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A
We have a. We have a German town in Australia, which. Where they say there's a pub with, like, Nazi stuff on the walls. I've never seen it, but the Germans. There's like. There's a Bavarian town where everyone's nice and relaxed. And then there's like a Prussian town where people. Very intense, but also sometimes you will go around to, like, a German guy's house. Like they've got an old German family. And then you look over on the mantelpiece and there's that knife there. There's a very special knife. It's like we can't get rid of it. That's grandpa's knife.
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B
The weird thing is, like, they have full towns down in Argentina that practice Oktoberfest.
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A
Yeah.
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B
They put on the Lederhosen. The, like, it's a German town.
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A
I think there's something about the black population disappeared. I don't know if this is. I think it might be Argentina. They had, like, a big black population. And then over a hundred years, people go. I don't know where they are anymore, but they're not here now. And I think it coincides with. Maybe it was before the Nazis got there. But that's a weird. That's a weird rabbit hole. There's not a lot about it.
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B
There's so many rabbit holes.
- [89:15]
A
Some people said, like, they just integrated.
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B
And what whitened up.
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A
Like, it's kids after kids and you can't see it. But like, what. They had a big black population and it. Am I right? I need that one. I don't want to just say that.
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B
And have it look that one up.
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A
But like, it disappeared and this is Argentina. It could be Europe.
- [89:34]
B
Black Genocide the true history of the whitening of Argentina.
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A
Thank you. Travel Noir, a website. I've never heard of that website, but I assume it's a. Whoa.
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B
Today, many Argentinians hold the erroneous belief that Argentina neither participated in the slave trade nor witnessed the presence of Afro Argentinians as if they had left the country. Naturally, such misconceptions persist despite historical evidence. Former Argentine president Carlos Manem once shockingly declared, in Argentina, blacks do not exist. That is a Brazilian problem.
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A
No one's bringing that up.
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B
Whoa. Less than two centuries ago, black individuals compromised over a third of Argentina's population. In 1800.
- [90:25]
A
That seems like a question. That seems like someone should find out what happened there.
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B
Holy shit. Holy shit, man. The factors behind the disappearance Sudden and profound disappearance of black Africans from Argentina is attributed to a confluence of factors.
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A
The 1870s, though.
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B
First is the war against Paraguay. Spanning from 1865 to 1870. Thousands of black individuals fought in the military during these conflicts and other wars, resulting in significant losses. The fatalities led to a considerable gender gap within the African population, prompting unions between black women and white men, which effectively diluted the black populace. In addition, many Afro Argentines sought refuge in more welcoming political climates in neighboring Brazil and Uruguay.
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A
But you don't lose a third of the population by accident by like a.
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B
They're saying all of them.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like there's no way these factors would make all of them go away. Another devastating factor was the outbreak of yellow fever in Buenos Aires in 1871, which claimed the lives of numerous locals. But still, wouldn't it be like, purport? Here it is. But many sources point to a far darker and more sinister force at work. A covert genocide orchestrated by Domingo Faustino Sarmentimento, who served as Argentina's president from 1868 to 1874 and played a pivotal role in decimating the Afro Argentine population. Okay, so it is a genocide.
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A
Yeah. But this was about 100 years before I thought, wow. But then no one, no one's going after Argentina for this.
- [92:07]
B
Well, I didn't even know about it.
- [92:07]
A
Until everyone goes about like, America's a racist country, their racist history. Why is no one talking about Brazil's slavery? Brazil had way more. Brazil was like, I think they kept doing it for 20 years as well. They were, it was huge. And then everyone just acts like Brazil is a cool place to go by the beach and relax. Maybe it is.
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B
Have you ever seen the City of God?
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A
No.
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B
City of God is about the favelas in Brazil, in Rio. And it is, it makes. Eddie Bravo said this, that it makes boys in the hood looks like Sesame Street. It really does. Like, if you, you watch that movie, it's so violent and so crazy. And apparently when you talk to people from Brazil, particularly from the favelas.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It's actually accurate. Like there were gangs of kids like this. There were like young 10, 11 year old kids committing murder every day. They had guns, they were moving drugs and getting money and like young.
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A
What turned it around?
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B
They still have it. It's still an issue. I mean, they've done their best to try to like the, you know, the soldiers will like do raids into the favelas.
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A
Yeah.
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B
At times, especially when someone does something crazy.
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A
But I know I was saying positive things about slums before. There's negative things to having slums as well. I would just like there to be more. More housing.
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B
Yeah, housing would be good, but good housing would be better. And there's enough money. There's enough money to do that. It's like you just have to. We have to prioritize. Like, what are we spending money on?
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A
I mean, we shut, we shut Australia down for like two years. No one was doing anything.
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B
Yeah. You guys went nuts.
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A
If you ever lead the world in something bad, that's, I think, a bad sign. Once you have the longest lockdown.
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B
What is it about Australians as a culture.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That allowed them to be kind of ordered around like that.
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A
We love rules.
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B
Is that what it is?
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A
I think about this a lot because it's, I mean, like, like driving in America is. Feels wild and free. Like no one's doing the speed limit. If you do the speed limit on the freeway, it feels way more dangerous than going five over. We have cameras every. You can't. If you go 1, 2 miles over the speed limit in Australia, you get a fine, they've recorded you, you're in. And we don't push back. I have no idea why other than because people don't like it overall, people don't want to go through the bureaucracy, but maybe there's no. We have no like animating sense of freedom, that people should be free. It's like, I think if the motto here is don't tread on me, we've got. Pull your fucking head in. You hear that quite a lot.
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B
Pull your head in.
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A
Pull your head in. What's that mean? What are you. What are you fucking doing? Pull your head. Pull your fucking head in. Like, get in, get in line. Go with the flow, do what you're meant to do. And for a while, I guess we were also prosperous for a long time and that worked. If you just like laid low and you did what, you know, you went to school, you went to uni, the government's going to pay for you uni, you get a, you get a nice job, you'll get a big, beautiful suburban family home. Don't buck the system. You don't have to do anything crazy. And as that falls apart now, which is falling apart quickly, rent's out of control, the inflation's so much worse. The. It's all, you know, the immigration is like, kind. It's silly. Like, we're not building houses in line with that. And so it's like, I don't. A lot of comics are moving overseas, like in a way that no one moved overseas. When I was, for the first 10 years I was doing comedy, I think a couple guys went to the UK and that was it. And now Aaron Chen's here, Blake Freeman's here, Amos Gill's here.
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B
What do you think is the big motivator to what was the biggest thing that was a problem over there post Covid?
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A
I mean, Covid was. Covid radicalized a lot of people.
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B
Is that what it was? Just the kind of control they put down on you guys?
- [95:47]
A
It was. And then the. I mean, there's, there's so much opportunity here. People keep saying the cost of living is going up in America and it is. But it's like, still, it's wacky that eggs are only 370 or something. That's so cheap for eggs. For a.
- [96:03]
B
Really?
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A
Yeah.
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B
How much are eggs over there?
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A
More substantial?
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B
Yeah, yeah. Like how much give me.
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A
I don't know, I'm buying, I'm buying free range eggs because we. My wife insists on it. But still, I would, I think if you did an egg, if you did like a milk to milk, egg to egg, you dominate.
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B
Interesting.
- [96:21]
A
America has so far to go before it gets to be a revolutionary 14 a dozen.
- [96:26]
B
Whoa, 14 bucks a dozen? You guys pay for eggs? That's crazy.
- [96:31]
A
Oh, man.
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B
It's.
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A
If you got coles and wool. I mean the dollars. The dollar's a bit different.
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B
So there's less opportunity. Things are more expensive.
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A
And also there's. I mean.
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B
But what about COVID Radicalized a lot of people.
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A
You got locked in your house for. I mean it was literally in Melbourne. We were in Melbourne when it kicked off. My wife and I and we had a newborn child and she was pregnant with the next one. And they said, we're locking everyone down for six weeks. You can't leave your house. And it was. We had better. Not better. We had like stronger state. By state regulation. So if you moved back. We were from Adelaide in South Australia. They said it was two weeks if you came from interstate. So we just drove all night and got out, but then watched as people. It's like a 300 day lockdown. Jesus Christ. You couldn't do. It was. One of the only places you could do shows was in Adelaide. We did have. I saw. I like Josh Sepps. He seems great. I saw him on here talk like about the. I think you confronted him about the concentration camps. And it's like. Yeah, we had camps where we concentrated people.
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B
People.
- [97:24]
A
I don't know what else you meant to call that.
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B
Yeah, yeah. We had a disagreement too about myocarditis. And it was interesting. It's like you would get all these different. Now it's like firmly established as a higher risk of myocarditis for young people that took it. But back then it was really confusing. And I was like, why did I read articles that said it was a higher risk? And then he brought one up that said there's more of a risk of getting myocarditis from COVID itself. Which really didn't make any sense even in the argument because back then we didn't know that it not only doesn't protect you. You from getting the virus, it doesn't even protect you from spreading the virus. So you still get it. So you still have a chance if that's true.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But it turns out when I talked to Dr. Aseem Mahatra, who is. He's a part of this whole Maha thing too. And he was another doctor that was initially pro vaccine and eventually just realized there was a bunch of horseshit going on with all of it, he said that's not what they measured. They were measuring troponin levels. They were measuring like what happens when you get sick and that those levels are Higher in a viral infection. And he was saying that that's not indicative of what true myocarditis is, which is an enlargening of the heart and a scarring of the heart tissue.
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A
It's like.
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B
It's a different thing they're looking for. They're elevating the number of people that are getting it from COVID by doing it this way. He was saying, oh, I can see.
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A
Why you, like, it's hard to lose trust in the establishment. Like, you want to believe that the people running the medical side of things and who are setting all the rules have your interests at heart and you should listen to them.
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B
Especially if you're in certain social circles. Right?
- [98:59]
A
Yeah.
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B
So if you're in certain social circles where people are very pro science and very logical and rational and they are all in agreement of one thing. You don't want to be cast out of that social circle. You don't want to be thought of as being a fool. And so you don't want to have any opinion that's opposing. What is this consensus narrative amongst these people.
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A
It's also, I mean, it's nice to be in that group because you get to. You get to live in a world where the government cares about you and they know what they're doing. And this politician in a suit, like.
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B
There was a. Yeah, but you gotta.
- [99:28]
A
Know the realm for personal expression in politicians was tiny for a long time. Cause it was you, you know, that's what you want. Trump's blown this up. But I remember, like, Howard Dean did a weird scream and his career was on. That's what it took back in the day to ruin your candidacy.
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B
Yeah. Well, how about.
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A
Cause they had to keep that illusion going that, like, these are very competent people who will not make a weird noise at the wrong time.
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B
Oh, for sure. That was all they would need to latch onto. And then they would, like, throw it in everybody's face. It would be all over the news and it would be over.
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A
Yeah.
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B
There was no Internet, you know, I.
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A
Mean, isn't that a nice world to that world, like that 50s world of like, ah, you can. We've got a man in a white coat and he knows what's up. You don't have to do all the. It's taxing to try and figure out how disease works.
- [100:10]
B
Oh, it's. Yeah, it's not fun. It's not fun to not trust anyone and always want to read like hundreds of different articles on any complex subject to try to get an understanding of who's Telling the truth and who's not, it's a pain in the ass.
- [100:25]
A
And the cost for getting it wrong is like, if you get 19 things right and one thing wrong, they just go, you're a idiot.
- [100:30]
B
Oh, 100%. Yeah. But this, I think the key is, like, you have to say why you got it wrong and then express yourself like, I get things wrong, but I'll tell you why I got it wrong, and then I won't lie, and I'll tell you what I know now. So if I know now that something's different than what I thought, I definitely always say it. And I always say I was wrong about this. And this is why I, like, get it out. You got to get it out because it's important. Like, the. The whole thing is, we're trying to figure out what the. Is actually going on. And when you're looking at, like, really complex, like you get into something like the Kennedy assassination, which is one of the big ones in this country, because a lot of people like, oh, let it go, let it go. And then there's a lot of other people go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This shows you how they did it in 1963. And they've evolved. And anything that's alive, that's still a part of the systems are all still there. Yeah, for sure. They're just way better at doing that. And they've learned how to not use a magic bullet and, you know, not, you know, the grassy knoll and not kill all the witnesses. You know, they learned how to. To do stuff. They got a lot better.
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A
So it's like, so Jack Ruby kills. I'm going to get a lot of this wrong.
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B
Lee Harvey Oswald.
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A
Jack Kennedy kills Lee Harvey Oswal.
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B
We have a photo of it right out there, right the moment he's shooting.
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A
But then when he's under arrest, there are like two journalists who come and interview him. And I think one of them kills him.
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B
Jolly West. Jolly west, the head of the MK Ultra program?
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
Jolly west visits him and he goes insane. He never had any history of mental illness. Jolly west sees, he's. He sees Jews burning in hell and he's going crazy. He's high because he was a Jewish man.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So he thought they were coming for him. He's hiding underneath the bench. He was screaming. He went completely. They dosed him with acid, man. Yeah, this is the MK Ultra people.
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A
I think a journalist who talked to him before he died got killed by a. Some sort of gay karate chop.
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B
A gay.
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A
It was like a gay. It was like a gay journalist. And then he fucking in the ass.
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B
You chop him.
- [102:29]
A
I think he took a man home for a sexual encounter and then he was karate chopped to death. I think that's the official explanation.
- [102:34]
B
It's a very rare thing to karate chop a man to death. That's a weird choice.
- [102:38]
A
It was the 60s. All these cool, karate chop somebody.
- [102:40]
B
Why did they know it was a karate chop unless they have a video?
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A
I think that's. The medical examiner said karate chop.
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B
Okay. That medical examiners know what the fuck they're talking about. They probably just stomped him.
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A
Well, do you think? Well, who's the Manson family? The Manson.
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B
Yes.
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A
He was dosed with some sort of.
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B
Oh, 100%. And I'm sorry if you've heard this before, ladies and gentlemen, but the book Chaos by Tom o' Neill is. Is amazing. Amazing.
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A
All right.
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B
He's Greg Fitzsimmons, old neighbor. So Greg, who's at the mothership this weekend, who's awesome. One of my best friends and I've been friends with. I started doing comedy with him one week apart when we did open mic night.
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A
Is he a Boston guy's will?
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Yes. Known him forever. He's awesome. So he. And hilarious comic too, I think it's all sold out, but he was next door to this guy, and this guy was a journalist, super nice guy. They became friends. He's saying, I'm writing this thing about Manson. It was supposed to be for a magazine. It was supposed to be like 25th anniversary of the Manson family killings. But he starts finding all these inconsistencies and he keeps going further and further down the rabbit trap, and he thinks the prosecutor's full of. And there's some sort of a connection to the government. He's like, what the is going on here? So he doesn't meet the deadline, so he keeps going. And so then he gets a book deal. And he just like, it's going on and on and on and on and on for 20 fucking years. For 20 years. This guy studies nothing but the Manson case. He's got stacks and boxes. He's been interviewing people. And then he puts together this book with help. He had to get someone to help him organize it because he was so deep in the weeds. He's got enough for another book. I mean, a pure obsessive, but a brilliant guy. And this book, Chaos, it outlines all of the MK Ultra involvement in the Manson family and all the different things that they were doing at the time with the CIA. Mind control experiments. They were running brothels, which they did.
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Definitely. Same thing.
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That have 100. Yeah, all 100 real about this lady. Dorothy Kill Gallon reporter cloaked in controversy. I'd say read this. Okay. Dorothy Gill Gallon is best known for her column the Voice of Broadway in the New York Evening Journal, which was published in over 140 papers, and for her role as the game show panelist, the 1950s television program what's My Line? She was hailed by the Post as being the most powerful female voice in America. Kil Gallen spent a vast majority of her career cloaked in controversy, most notably surrounding her investigative work into the John F. Kennedy assassination. As a longtime skeptic of the Warren Commission, a study conducted by the United States government into who killed JFK as well as who killed Lee Harvey. Well, we know who killed Lee Harvey Oswald. JFK supposed assassin. Kil Gallen dove deep into the controversy. Some may even argue too deep. Kilgallen was under suspicion that that Oswald did not commit his crimes alone and published several articles reflecting this belief. Jack Ruby, who allegedly killed Lee Harvey Oswald on November 24, 1963, was only interviewed by one reporter throughout the trial, Dorothy Kil Gallen. Since her interview with Ruby, many noted that Kil Gallon carried a file with her at all times. It remained under lock and key when not physically in her hands, according to those close to her. Kill Gallon's file continued to grow throughout the investigation. In a conversation with her lawyer, Jim Garrison, prior to. That's the guy who prosecuted. That was the. In the movie Kevin. Kevin Costner played him in the. The. The JFK movie.
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Yeah.
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Prior to a trip to New Orleans with Dorothy, later inexplicably canceled. He remembers her saying, I'm going to break the real story and have the biggest scoop of the century. Kilgowan's first trip to New Orleans was planned two weeks prior to her death when her husband, Richard Kolmar, found her with files missing by her hairdresser in a bedroom she never slept in, dressed in clothes she would never wear to bed, reading a book she had finished and disliked wearing glasses she didn't need for reading. Initial autopsy report. A Brooklyn medical office, as opposed to the office in Manhattan where she lived, found her cause of death to be a lethal combination of alcohol and barbiturates. The report later amended to note that the barbiturate originally found second all a sleeping pill for which she had been prescribed was in fact a combination of two tweet, Tuinol and Nembutol, which she did not have access to. Although her death was eventually ruled a suicide, Kilgallan's husband noted that when she returned from a taping of what's My Line earlier that evening, she appeared chipper.
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Well, a lot of people do seem chipper before they go.
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Decided. Yeah. A researcher by the name of Mark Shaw, who investigated Kilgowan's death, found that she was under surveillance by the FBI through the Freedom of Information Act. Friends of Kilgowan recall her expressing fear for her life leading up to her death. And she supposedly even purchased a gun, a rather uncharacteristic thing for her. Yeah, they whacked her. Yeah, they whacked her. Yeah.
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They've got a finish release.
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In a recent release of the JFK files, on October 26, 2017, a file entitled entitled Dorothy Kilgallen by Richard Nixon was released, but its contents remain sealed due to reasons of national security. They whacked her.
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A
Yeah. Does. Was there a gay karate chop or did I make that up?
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I didn't see that. They whacked her. They whacked.
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A
It seems likely.
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B
Yeah. She was digging into the investigation. Look, you know, when you talk to, like I talked to Oliver Stone about it multiple times. And Oliver Stone, despite his advanced age, is still brilliant. And his recall is incredible. His recall in the assassination. He's obsessed with that assassination. So he can tell you, like, who was involved and who did this and Alan Dulles and this and that.
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Yeah.
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Warren Commission report. And then it goes back. The rabbit hole just goes so deep. It goes all the way. It goes all the way to Richard Nixon because it goes all the way to Gerald Ford, who was on the Warren Commission's report. And when they kicked Spiro Agnew out, they got Spiro Agnew on, you know, corruption. Yeah, they kicked him out. They put in Gerald Ford, then they kicked Richard Nixon out.
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Yeah.
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With the Watergate thing, which I always thought was Richard Nixon got caught being a crook, but that's. No, it was.
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He was not a crook.
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B
It was an intelligence agency plot. The whole thing was. Tucker Carlson lays it out.
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A
Yeah, this. The Nixon reputation is starting to come back. Well, you know, people are starting to love Nixon again.
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There's a lot of, maybe for the first time, stuff that he did that's not good. Jim Co wrote. Decided to write a book about the assassination of John F. Kennedy. However, he died on the 21st of September, 1964.
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A
Oh, there we go.
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B
And see that A man broke into his Dallas apartment and killed him by a karate chop to the throat.
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A
That could happen to anybody. That's a real thing. That happens over time.
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This is the thing. Like, how do they know they didn't just strangle him to the throat? Like if you have damage to your throat, if you don't see the guy karate chopping him?
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A
Well, it does seem like a weird flourish for the secret police to put.
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B
Out there, but that's like one of those things that you would say Kothi just. It seemed like a man broke into his apartment. Tom Howard. Tom Howard died of a heart attack, age 48, 1965. Who's Tom Howard? Oh, attorney. Oh, his attorney. Okay. They both visited Jack Ruby in jail. Okay. And they both died. They definitely give you a heart attack. They definitely could give you a heart attack. The karate chop.
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Karate chop does. I really always held on to karate chop. That's the one detail that really stayed with me through the year.
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How are you sure you can't tell? I've seen so many guys get beat up and you can never tell what hit them. Them.
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A
It could have been a very long bruise across the throat. A big forearm shin.
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B
Shin to the neck. Easy.
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People weren't. People didn't have that sort of kicking ability in the west at that time.
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B
Sure, some people did. Yeah. There was people that trained like an assassin. If you were going to be an assassin, you would learn Muay Thai. Yeah, there was like legit Muay Thai.
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A
You also have a knife.
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B
Yeah, yeah. But if you wanted to make it look like it was like a.
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A
That was a bachelor flat. Is that why I thought it was.
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Some sort of cause of death? Asphyxiation from a broken bone at the base of his neck. Apparently the result of a karate chop. You know, I'm suspicious. I think they probably thought of it as a karate chop because this is how people thought back then. But I would imagine that was like a baton on the neck where you choke a guy to death.
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A
There was a time, I know in Austin Powers, karate chop is like a cool thing. Early 60s, people just found out about karate.
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B
The other guy was accidentally shot by the police least a few hours before Wednesday.
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A
That can happen. That can happen.
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B
Jesus Christ, man. When you read stories like this, like, if you're not a conspiracy theorist, you're.
- [111:19]
A
Like, yeah, it was the karate chop that made me think it was something had gone wrong. Karate chop's the only thing that drew me in. I was happily signing up with the rest of the official narrative.
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B
Dude, I've seen a lot of guys get karate chopped in the neck.
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A
They're all fine.
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B
None of them died.
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A
My dad is like a beat.
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B
That's not what breaks your neck.
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A
My dad really, like, he really believes the JFK assassination happened the way they said it did. And he went to, he made a whole trip of it to Dallas and he went up to the building. He was like, he could have done it. He could have done it from here.
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B
Well, here's the thing.
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A
So I, I've never really dug into.
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B
It, but here's the thing. He could have shot JFK in the head. From the Book Depository.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Anybody says any different has never shot a rifle. It wasn't that far. It was. I think it was 140 yards. If you have a scope and you have an accurate rifle, 140 yards is not a long shot. And if you have practiced and you know how it's going to go down and you're prepared, you're going to know exactly where he's going to be. You're going to have the crosshair on him. You pull the trigger, you hit him in the head. And you might be able to get off a couple of shots. And some people have been able to recreate the three shots. And they think that he got off three shots and there was. That's impossible.
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A
They recreate it.
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B
Yeah, people have done it.
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A
They, like, closed down central Dallas.
- [112:30]
B
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They, they shot all off three rounds from a Carcano rifle in that same period of time. Yeah, they didn't do it there. Yeah, but they did it. They showed. Look, you can shoot three times in the amount of time that it took him to drive.
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A
But this is the problem with any conspiracy theory is that like, well, you.
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B
Got to look at all of it.
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A
There are a bunch of things that don't. Yeah, there are like a thousand conspiracy theories about jfk, but some of them are nuts. And then some of them hold up.
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B
That was my point, though, is that that is undeniable. But it's also undeniable. There was a lot of. Of people that reported that they heard gunshots from the grassy knoll.
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A
Yeah.
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B
There's also the, the whole magic bullet theory, which is total horseshit. That's the most horseshit theory that's ever been promoted.
- [113:10]
A
There was like an ice bullet that dissolved inside of.
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B
No. Do you know the magic bullet theory? One bullet caused a whole ton of injuries. Now, this is what they had to do. Okay, There was a guy that got shot in the underpass.
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A
Yes.
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B
So there was an underpass and a ricochet hit the granite, the curbstone, and he Got hit in the head. So he got fucked up and he had to go to the hospital. And then they found the impact and they found the bullet. So they knew that this accounted for one of the shots that it missed. So then they had to account for two different entry holes on Kennedy and entry hole in Connolly. So Connolly was shot in the wrist and in the thigh as well. So you had to say that one bullet did all this damage in both people, and then there was the headshot. Yeah, because they had the third bullet. So they had came up with one wacky theory. And they found this bullet in pristine condition on the gurney in. When they went to visit in the hospital. So when they. When they had JFK's gurney in the hospital, there was a bullet. They magically found this pristine bullet.
- [114:19]
A
This is like when the passports fall out of the plane on 9 11.
- [114:22]
B
Yeah, almost as ridiculous. But this one is so ridiculous because you have the physical evidence of the bullet, which is impossible. It's impossible for a bullet to shatter bone, go through two different people, leave more residue. Like more bullet fragments were in Connolly's wrist than were missing from the bullet. That one's just fine. That bullet, that bullet supposedly went through two different people, shattered bone on both of them.
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A
And that's a special bullet.
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B
As a person who's shot guns before, that's horseshit. That's not what happens when a bullet hits bone. So it's supposed to have gone through his back. This is the official exercise tie hole. Yeah, like right where his tie knot is. Goes into Connolly's wrist and then goes into his thigh. Shatters his wrist, leaves fragments in his wrist, the wound left in the thigh. And then they find this magical, perfect bullet, pristine condition, on the gurney in the hospital.
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A
I mean, it seems weird.
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B
Was it Connolly's gurney that they found it on or. Or JFK's? I might. Might have got it wrong. It might have been Connolly's gurney that they found the bullet on. But either way. Listen to me. Shut the fuck up.
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A
No, I. Look, I usually stop at this point. Shut up. Because I don't want it to happen.
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B
Anybody who says I don't want it, I don't want to believe that's what happened. Shut the fuck up. Then there's also the problem of the bullet hole in his neck. Now, they're trying to attribute that as an exit wound. But the thing is, in the. There's two different autopsies. The autopsy from Dallas, and then there was the autopsy from Bethesda, Maryland. And the discrepancy was the one in Bethesda, Maryland, I believe. Called it a tracheotomy scar or tracheotomy cut. So, like, they opened him up to put a trach in. The only reason why they would do that is they don't want to attribute that to a bullet that hit him in the front of the neck.
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A
Neck.
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B
I think there was a bunch of different people that were trying to figure out, how do we make it so that it was only this one guy, and Lee Harvey Oswald might have pulled the trigger. He might have been part of it.
- [116:25]
A
He does kill the policeman later, right?
- [116:27]
B
I believe so. I believe they. They. Most people believe he did that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. And, well, he. He already knew that he was on the run at that point in time. Right. And then when he gets arrested, he says, I'm a patsy. I'm a patsy. Okay. Okay. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe he was involved. Maybe he didn't pull the trigger. Maybe somebody else who was a real expert marksman. Because if you, if you. He wasn't that good. Like, people say he wasn't a good marksman, but let me tell you something about.
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A
He was, like, downgraded to marksman. Yeah.
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B
But here's the thing about shooting rifles, all right? When you're Talking about, like, 500 yards, you're talking about really long shots where you're required to be prone and lay perfectly still.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yes. I would say you really want to be an elite marksman to do that. And there's a lot of technique involved in training, and they're very meticulous about their preparation, their breath work. And it's like a very intense thing because you can't move at all. You have to be, like, so precise. But 140 yards is not far. It's not that far.
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A
It's like with the Trump thing, they said a child could have done it.
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B
If he had a scope. That kid didn't have a scope. See, the Trump thing was fucked because that guy was using iron sights. So iron sights are this. It's what. It's like standard. They don't. You can adjust them slightly, but, like towards your side, closer to the shooter, there are two posts, and at the end, there's one post, and the, the, the. The. Like the scoop from the upper post, it lines in. He did have a scope. Oh, so why. Why did they say that he didn't forever?
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A
I don't know.
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B
I mean, well, say, like, down here, but there was a photograph of it. So this photo down the corner was my cursor. Doesn't have a scope. Right. This is from the FBI. Okay. But here's the thing. I'm pretty sure there was a photograph of it laying on the roof and it didn't have a scope. And this is why. And this is not my theory. This is all the people that I know that are in like the tactical world that have talked to me about this, they were saying that he had iron sights. See if you can find it. If they show a photo of the actual rifle.
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A
And then there's just nothing about this that's come out since then.
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B
So if he had a. If he had a scope, that's even crazier that he missed. Because that's a chip shot. It's not a hard shot. It's. You're 140 yards, you have a. An accurate rifle. So let's see. Scoop it on that kind of does look like he has a scope. Go back to that again. A lot of these pictures from the. Just talking of it though, or using a picture of a gun without a scope to confuse people. Interesting. Okay, so it's hard to tell, but go to the top one again and make that larger. No, the one that's on the right hand side. Okay. Okay. That looks a little bit like a scope to me. There's something above the barrel at the middle point of the gun. It doesn't look flat. It looks like there might be a scope. Okay. Which is even crazier that he missed that then. Because this guy is shooting from a very close distance. But he probably panicked. He's a 20 year old.
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A
He turns his head just at the right. It's the miraculous hit.
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B
Yeah, but the thing is, that's not an expert marksman. He did train a lot, though. That was the other thing. Like, there's a lot of people that trained in firearms with that kid. So they knew that someone either told him to do that or he was preparing by himself to do that.
- [119:39]
A
Why has nothing come out about it, bro? You would think.
- [119:43]
B
Because I think that MK Ultra shit keeps going. I think that it's like that Aerosmith song train kept a rolling all night long. I think it just keeps going. I don't think they stopped. I think someone, whether it's our government or another government or some giant business interest, someone probably talked that kid into doing that. Gave him the resources. He had five different phones. His entire. His entire home was professionally scrubbed.
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A
Yeah.
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B
There was no silverware in his home when they searched his home.
- [120:15]
A
I mean, it's weird that there wasn't more. I know there was like a guy at the Golf course. And it was like a third guy, maybe.
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B
Mm.
- [120:20]
A
But the temperature in the country at that time was no one was, like, actively coming out and begging. The Dems weren't coming out and saying, someone's got to kill this guy. But they were going, this is an insane.
- [120:32]
B
Yeah, but it might not just be the Dems. This is what you have to understand. It's probably business. Interesting interests. If you're in another country, okay. And this guy's actively campaigning, saying that he's gonna raise tariffs and he's gonna call. We're gonna make China pay, We're gonna make Russia pay. Everyone's gonna pay. If you're in some, you know, military controlled country that's gonna lose trillions of dollars because this guy's gonna make everybody pay.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You might hire someone to do something.
- [121:03]
A
Well, this is why he goes vanishing immediately out. This is what I put together is the theory. Someone else must have done it. But you pick someone who seems scarier than you. Right. You go, well, if you kill me, you get him.
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B
You think Vance is scary?
- [121:16]
A
I think at the time, he seemed like the furthest right protectionist candidate that Trump could have picked from on the VP list.
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B
I don't think he really is, though.
- [121:27]
A
I don't know what he is.
- [121:28]
B
He's pretty reasonable when you have a real conversation with him. He's definitely conservative. He's pretty reasonable. But he's also like a no nonsense, no guy who is not. He doesn't lack in compassion, but he was the.
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A
Like, he was not the easiest.
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B
He's young.
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A
Electorally. There were other people he could have.
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B
Gone with who would have been young. He's very religious. You know, there's a lot of aspects of that that make people uncomfortable. The young one is pretty big. You know, people don't want, like some young guy. Guy being the president of the world.
- [121:57]
A
What was the last time it was like, Teddy Roosevelt? Kennedy was what he was like late 40s, but he'd also been around. He was a known commodity and senator for a long time.
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B
He was handsome. He's pretty young. He didn't look like an old leader. He didn't look like Eisenhower. You know what I mean?
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A
Yeah.
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B
He didn't look like Ronald Reagan, but he was.
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A
He'd been to the war. And that added like, when you go to the. Have you been to the Fredericksburg Pacific War Museum?
- [122:22]
B
No. Wow.
- [122:23]
A
It's great. It's a two hour drive. It's tremendous.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But, like, they have a. They have a mural out back for all the presidents since that war. And everyone's in World War II. Like, that's the. It's not that America's looking for an old guy. It's, like, who. It's. Everyone is somehow, until, like, Clinton, everyone is a World War II vet.
- [122:43]
B
Well, you gotta think, back then, everybody signed up for the war.
- [122:47]
A
Yeah. Like, but generationally, America didn't want to move on from. From the World War II guys. That was like, a comforting.
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B
Right. But it was Also World War II was the last just war in their eyes. Like, we had to defeat the Nazis.
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A
Yeah.
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B
No, we had to stop the takeover of evil in the world. And then you got to the Vietnam War, and it's like, wait, what's going on here? This is not Korea.
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A
Seems more Korea.
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B
Well, there's a lot of people that would disagree with you, you know, but Korea is also, you know, there's North Korea's fighting South Korea, North Korea's Communist.
- [123:21]
A
But it doesn't have the same. Like, Korea doesn't occupy the same.
- [123:24]
B
No. Doesn't have the same spot in people's heads.
- [123:27]
A
And then really, it's not one war that everyone's getting behind after that.
- [123:31]
B
No, no, there's not one. And, you know, most people are real down on war right now for. For good reasons. You know, it's like, are we fucking for real still doing this? You know, and this was one of the things that. That Trump campaigned on is no more wars.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And that scares the. Out of people, you know, because then right away, we're involved in this Iran thing.
- [123:54]
A
Like, okay, but, you know, I'm so easily taken in. Like, I was. I was terrified. I was like, oh, I don't want there to be a war. This is terrible. And then as soon as the bombs are dropped and Trump comes out and goes, we're very strong.
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B
I'm like, oh, yeah.
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A
Like, I. It's so easy to get whipped up into a film. There's.
- [124:12]
B
There's some truth to that. Right. And there's some truth to maybe it wouldn't be the best thing in the world if they developed a nuclear program and had nuclear weapons and used them on Israel. But then, you know, you say, well, were they really close to doing that? Well, then you find out that Netanyahu has been saying they've been close to.
- [124:27]
A
Doing that for, like, 15 years, and Tulsi's saying they have no information on it.
- [124:32]
B
Yeah. But the thing is, like, what do we know? You know, if they don't let inspectors in, what do we know?
- [124:37]
A
Yeah.
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B
You know, I Mean, it would be.
- [124:38]
A
Good for America to have to pull together over something. I found someone sent me the. Like that Reagan, towards the end of his term just kept giving speeches about how he wanted there to be an alien invasion.
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B
Yes.
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A
And he said if only there was some alien force that we could all get together again against the aliens.
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B
Yeah.
- [124:56]
A
But it is that. Seems like America's ready for that, some coming together. I can see that if you were in charge, you wanted to have civil units. You would want there to be something like a war to pull people back together.
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B
Well, I think there's a lot of value in having no civil unity. I think there's a lot of value in keeping us at each other's throats. This is what I always try to tell people. Most of us are in the middle. Most of us, especially after you get to a certain age, you realize a lot of fucking things that people do, it's because they're allowed to do it. And it's stupid and it fucks their life up. And maybe you should get your shit together. Also there's a lot of poor people that need help. And the idea that you're gonna cut that off from them is kind of fucked up and uncharitable and un American.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But also there's people that take advantage of those programs and they stay them forever and it kind of fucks up the whole community. And that's true too. Okay, so how do you set the standards and what do you do and how do you do it? But most people socially are very much in the middle. Like most people want gay rights and civil rights and women's rights and trans rights. We want rights. We want everybody to be free. We want everybody to do.
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A
But rights, that's how you get something is you chuck. No, you just chuck the word rights on something.
- [126:10]
B
It's rights are important.
- [126:11]
A
Like people say abortion rights and then people say gun rights.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like that's how you know if the media is in favor of that thing or not. When I was coming up, if they say rights, then they go, this should be like abortion rights were confected in Roe v. Wade. They just, it didn't exist beforehand. They said there was a. I mean maybe people can pass that people can legislatively have abortion on the books. But that's not what happened. The Supreme Court just said we infer that there's a right to privacy somewhere in the Constitution. We're not going to be clear about where that is. And so the judiciary can just make it happen.
- [126:44]
B
Well, that's how it Got overturned, right?
- [126:46]
A
Yeah. Because what can be done by the judiciary can be overturned by the judiciary. But there's heaps of stuff in America that just like the Supreme Court decided, decided it was going to happen. No one came in. Like gay marriage was just a Supreme Court thing.
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B
They just, I think that's kind of also the will of the people. Like most people, like, let them be married. Like, what's the problem? Like how does that with your life?
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A
But like California votes, votes it in and then votes it out again. Right.
- [127:09]
B
Well, here's what's hilarious. Up until 2013, Hillary Clinton was openly stating. I don't think Barack Obama, I think.
- [127:16]
A
He said he was against it for the first time.
- [127:18]
B
Yeah. I think it was 2013 where Hillary Clinton, Hillary finally said she's in favor of gay marriage. But they used to always like, have you ever seen those videos of Hillary being more MAGA than Trump about the border?
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A
I believe it.
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B
Oh my God. She would be Queen maga. She would be. She would have a diamond encrusted make America great again hat she would be the president if she was running today. And I'm not bullshitting. I am not.
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A
I think there was.
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B
I'm 100% not bullshitting.
- [127:44]
A
It's a Sam Talent bit where I don't know if he's still doing it, but he was going like, if Kamala had come out and said the word retirement, she would have won. That's all she had to do.
- [127:52]
B
Sam Talon's funny, but he.
- [127:54]
A
Yeah, there was, there's. I mean the Dems are always against the like the progressive wing takes over. The woke thing happens at some point. But like Biden was out saying super predators, bro.
- [128:06]
B
The Democrats were the ones who wanted to keep slavery.
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A
Some of them the Southern Democrats. Okay.
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B
But understand.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
That the, the Republicans are the ones that were trying to free the slaves. It's like things just get weird and get reversed. So now the Democrats are anti free speech. If it's hate speech.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And disinformation and misinformation and mal information. And this is.
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A
All right, this is the Castro speech that I'm getting into in a big way. This is Castro. So they ban the revolution takes over in Cuba. They ban a film. They haven't had to ban a film up to that point, but they banned the first film. And Castro comes and gives like a two hour speech to the intellectuals explaining why they're going to start banning movies.
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B
What was the film?
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A
It was called pm. It was a, it was just a film about like poor Black people having a good time. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of political content in the movie, but it gives us like, it's this long, beautiful, like 2,3000 words at the top going, I'm listening to you and you're listening to me. And isn't that great that we have a conversation. And then just out of nowhere he goes, the revolution's in control and your freedoms are not. You don't have a right to make whatever film you want. We're gonna discuss. And people are clapping and going for it. But if you like, if you take revolution and sub that out for progress or safety or anti racism, people would totally get behind that.
- [129:21]
B
Yes. And this is what everyone who's been sounding the horn, you know, including guys like Constantine Kissing from trigonometry and Jordan Peterson and people that understand the history of Marxism, they're like, this is how it always comes. It comes in the guise of doing the greater good for the people and letting the state control things. This is what happened in North Korea. That's how they all lost their farms. Yeah, yeah. They come in and then they, it's centralized power and then everybody has to shut the fuck up because that's how people operate.
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A
I think from a, like, if you have a materialist worldview of the universe, that makes sense, I can see how you would, you would get there. Like, it's a weird thing to say. God has given you a right to express yourself and to hang out with who you want. This is like a we. This is, this is why it has to be in the declaration. It's either in the Declaration of the Constitution, but, but like these are God given rights and they're self evident because you would, if you were designing a utopia, which is what every revolutionary wants to do. You're saying we're fixing society, we're fixing human nature.
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B
Right.
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A
There's nothing that would intrinsically make you say people have a right to say whatever they want. Like that has to come from somewhere. That's like a, that's a weird. It's beautiful. I love it.
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B
It has to come from somewhere.
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A
I try and live my.
- [130:28]
B
It comes from being under the brutal heel of a dictator for the entire country.
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A
But then as soon as they have a revolution, they take that away. You know, you use the weapon of your master. The revolutionaries having been under batista and oppressed and not allowed to say what they want, they come to power and they go, yeah, we're gonna be doing that now. That's what the guy in power gets to do. But to say the state is ceding that this is like a beautiful, strange.
- [130:50]
B
Well, isn't there a difference?
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A
Mystical outside world.
- [130:52]
B
Yes, this is. But isn't there a difference between taking over an existing country like Cuba that had been around for a long time.
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A
Yeah.
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B
A communist regime taking over, over versus the establishment of a place like the United States, which is an exercise, like an experiment really, in self government that never been achieved before. And it's not a coincidence that it's the newest country in terms of like superpowers, and yet it's the one that's achieved the most in terms of cultural impact, artistic impact, intellectual impact. It's a hard argument that United States hasn't achieved more than anybody. I mean, the fucking nuclear bomb was created here. You know, shut your mouth. Mouth. Right. Allegedly we went to the moon. I don't think we did, but allegedly.
- [131:32]
A
Are you back on the moon?
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B
But, you know, also a lot of assassinations, a lot of like overturning governments and other countries. A lot. A lot of. Yeah, it's not good. But the point is like, this is the most free place and the most gets done.
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A
I mean, I don't disagree with that at all.
- [131:52]
B
And I think this is the progress that the human civilization goes through. It realizes that suppression ultimately is bad for everybody. It's bad for gdp, bad for like, it's bad for patriotism. It's bad for everything.
- [132:05]
A
Yeah.
- [132:05]
B
It's bad for people's appreciation of each other. It's hard to govern when people are fucking angry and. And then the break off civilizations always seek more freedom.
- [132:16]
A
Yeah.
- [132:16]
B
You know, I think we got to try one more time with Greenland.
- [132:20]
A
Give it a go.
- [132:20]
B
I think if Trump takes Greenland and global warming is real, that's the sp.
- [132:26]
A
Well, Canada might have to become a state and then there's a lot of good land up there.
- [132:29]
B
I have a friend who went up to Greenland and went stag hunting or caribou hunting. They hunt caribou in Greenland. It was beautiful, man. The area they were at was fucking gorgeous. It was incredible. It was like these, these insane hills and these herd of caribou come through and there's just so many caribou. It's so beautiful. Yeah, it's so clean. They're just. They're camping up there.
- [132:53]
A
No, get a freeway and a chick fil a.
- [132:55]
B
You ever have caribou?
- [132:56]
A
No, I can't compete with chick fil a. Chick fil a?
- [132:59]
B
You don't know what you're talking about.
- [133:00]
A
I don't know. I'VE never had caribou. I want to go back this thing of like, yeah, America's done a great deal, it's very free. But like the rate of change in the culture is also unparalleled. Like you look at the Egyptians and they're doing the same pictures for thousands of years. The feet all point in the same way and we don't mess with the artistic style or like the medieval era. There's like, there's a homogeneity through time and a culture that gets passed on. If you look at America over the last 70 years, it's wacky. Like a couple nights ago I was watching like the number one song in America consecutively on YouTube. So like they play 20 seconds from that number one song and then the next number one song. And early on it's all like guys in suits going, my baby, she's so beautiful, I love her. I'm going to take her to a dance. And then by the end it's, it's like, you know, I'm a fist, Yaaar dollar and kill someone with my rifle. Like it's. There's a huge shift. Like all the institutions are ostensibly the same. The way people vote, the way people go to school. The actual culture that's inhabiting all those things is like radically changing all the time.
- [134:03]
B
All the time. Yeah. And there's a bunch of different factors, right? So you have the 1950s factor, you know, which was like Elvis on television and Buddy Holly and all these people.
- [134:13]
A
Then the drugs come in, and then.
- [134:15]
B
The drugs come, come in. And so they were probably doing drugs back then too, but just probably not the good ones. And then the 1960s psychedelics. So the 1960s you get Hendrix, you know, you get the Doors, you get.
- [134:26]
A
Ah, when the Doors come through, when the Beatles and the Doors and the Stones come through, it's like, here are the first cool people ever.
- [134:31]
B
First cool people ever. And so then that all dries up when they pass the laws in the 1970s through the Nixon administration to kill the civil rights movement and to kill the anti war movement movement, make everything illegal. Then you get the cocaine era. So cocaine ruins music. The 1980s was like, there's some great music in the 80s, but there's also a great album. There's a lot of horseshit in the 80s too. There's still, still brilliant artists. There's always going to be brilliant artists, but there's a lack of that psychedelic progression that Hendrix definitely shifts into a weird. Everything gets everything. It's weird.
- [135:03]
A
Yeah. And by the 80s late 80s, they figured it out. They figured out how to appropriate the counterculture thing and put a court culprit look on it.
- [135:11]
B
Well, it was cocaine. They. They killed. They killed the psychedelics, and it entered into an area of cocaine. Like, you see movies get real weird. Like, a lot of movies are like. Like real stupid. Like, they don't make any sense. The dumbest shit. And then you go back to, like, 1963 and you see the Hustler and you say, okay, why were they so good back then? Why. Why were so many of these movies.
- [135:34]
A
Early 30s, late 20s?
- [135:35]
B
Yeah, early.
- [135:36]
A
Frank Capra just watches, like, a normal modern film.
- [135:38]
B
Yeah, there's some great movies, man.
- [135:40]
A
But when you started comedy was this early 90s.
- [135:43]
B
88.
- [135:44]
A
88. So you. There would have been a period. Like, it seems like cocaine was big in American comedy circles for a time and retreated. Yeah, but it disappeared at a certain.
- [135:54]
B
It doesn't disappear everywhere. There's some places that are still. They love the coke.
- [135:57]
A
I don't run into active drug addicts very often. Well, there are people who do cocaine.
- [136:03]
B
They don't last. The weed comics last. The fucking coke comics don't last.
- [136:08]
A
Heroin people keep going.
- [136:09]
B
Well, until they don't.
- [136:11]
A
Yeah, but the Red Hot Chili Peppers look great. They've been preserved.
- [136:14]
B
I think they're clean. I think they're clean for a long time.
- [136:16]
A
I think they did back in from time to.
- [136:17]
B
You think so?
- [136:18]
A
I don't know. I think after. By the way, I think they. But they were a heroin band for ages.
- [136:22]
B
Yeah.
- [136:22]
A
Iggy Pop. I don't know if he's still on heroin, but he's looking.
- [136:26]
B
Oh, he's terrible. Poor Iggy. He looks so.
- [136:28]
A
But he looked that way 30 years ago. He's like Alice Cooper. He looked like a weird old man.
- [136:32]
B
But he looked old 30 years ago. But he had, like. He was lean.
- [136:35]
A
Yeah.
- [136:35]
B
Around on stage with his shirt off, but now he looks like he can barely walk. Yeah. It's like something's wrong with his.
- [136:40]
A
See the AC DC one. That was, like, last week.
- [136:44]
B
You got to see Iggy Pop first.
- [136:45]
A
How bad? I saw iggy pop, like, 10 years ago, and he was great.
- [136:48]
B
He's great. No, dude.
- [136:49]
A
I had to kick a woman in a mosh pit. I was. He was dragging people. He was saying, come on stage, everybody. And I.
- [136:55]
B
One of my favorite Green Room songs is Passenger.
- [136:58]
A
Yeah.
- [136:58]
B
Fucking great song, man.
- [137:00]
A
After the show. Show. I couldn't listen to Passenger before a show. It'd be too sad, really. Yeah. All right.
- [137:06]
B
I'm a Passenger.
- [137:09]
A
What's he look like now? Is he. Is this 20, 23?
- [137:11]
B
Yeah.
- [137:11]
A
He looks good in the face.
- [137:13]
B
No, no, look, he's still killing it. It's just he has a hard time getting around. It looks like there's something wrong.
- [137:18]
A
See, like, it does look like he's got spina bifid in there.
- [137:21]
B
I think he's got something wrong with his hip or something, which is super common, especially for performers who dance around on stage. Go crazy. He. Yeah. Oh, yeah. See? Oh, so he's having a hard time moving. Still killing it. But like. Let me hear some of that.
- [137:37]
A
Check out after that. Bring up the acdc. At the moment, it's very. Okay. He's very old.
- [137:57]
B
It's just.
- [137:57]
A
He's still got something.
- [137:58]
B
He's got it. He's still Iggy Pop, but yeah, his body's struggling and like, I know a lot of guys like Ted Nugent had to get both his knees replaced because he was jumping off amplifiers.
- [138:08]
A
Yeah.
- [138:09]
B
Maynard from Tool, he had to get his hip replaced. His hip was up.
- [138:12]
A
That's why Neil diamond had the right plan. Just stand there, just sing your beautiful songs. You can do that forever.
- [138:18]
B
Yeah, that's a good move.
- [138:20]
A
Now they all get it.
- [138:21]
B
It's hard, man. You're bouncing around on a stage all the time and stomping the ground like Anthony Kiedis. His knees all up, man. Ah, he like. I. I went to see them.
- [138:29]
A
Looks great.
- [138:30]
B
He's great. He killed it. We went to see the Chili Peppers when they were in town and then afterwards he's got an ices knee up real bad, you know. He's still on stage, though. You don't notice it.
- [138:39]
A
Every time someone says they don't like the Chili Peppers, I distrust them immediately.
- [138:43]
B
Suck My Kiss is a great.
- [138:44]
A
That whole album is start to finish.
- [138:46]
B
I found a different video. Acdc, the shirts. I think that one video we saw is just kind of weird thing.
- [138:52]
A
He looks all right. There was one weird. He looks okay in this one.
- [138:55]
B
It's 2025.
- [138:57]
A
Yeah.
- [138:58]
B
There was a viral video going around where they looked a little slow and.
- [139:02]
A
N. He's still got it. I take it back.
- [139:04]
B
Y.
- [139:06]
A
But this is. I mean, if you were a classical composer, you just get to be old and wear your big powdered wig and keep writing till you're 80. As a rock star, a big part of. Of it is that you physically threatening and that women want to have sex with you. Right. Like, this is. This is.
- [139:19]
B
Have you seen Mick Jagger's girlfriend?
- [139:23]
A
Yes. She's a Beautiful baby. She's so hot.
- [139:27]
B
She's so hot. She's so hot. And she's like 30 or something like that. And he's thousand.
- [139:33]
A
I got to meet Al Pacino's baby mama.
- [139:35]
B
But you got to see the pictures of Mick with the girl with the lady. Look at this.
- [139:39]
A
Yeah, this is the one.
- [139:39]
B
One. What's that?
- [139:41]
A
This is the one that went viral.
- [139:44]
B
But he's just stomping on stage.
- [139:46]
A
No, it's the way he's saying o.
- [139:47]
B
Oh, let me hear it. ACDC urged to retire after recent concert footage goes viral. But here.
- [140:08]
A
He does seem tired. I don't think he should have to.
- [140:10]
B
Retire but still play a long set. He probably is doing all right.
- [140:15]
A
That's our greatest export, that's for sure. We've never done anything that great before since.
- [140:21]
B
Listen, guys, get old. It's hard to come up with the full power always when you hit that age. But what was the point? Oh, Mick Jagger and his new girlfriend.
- [140:30]
A
Fly, honey.
- [140:30]
B
Oh, she's a hot. And he's at least a million years old.
- [140:35]
A
He.
- [140:35]
B
How old is he?
- [140:36]
A
Yeah, I got to see him, like, 10 years ago, and he seemed all damn, but he was still grooving.
- [140:39]
B
Oh, dude, I saw him in town as well. I saw him at the Circuit of the Americas. They did this gigantic outdoor concert. It was incredible. Look at her. Bam, son. What's up now, dude, she's so hot. And she's like, I can't believe I'm with Mick Jagger. That's what talent does.
- [140:58]
A
He seems happy as well. He seems thrilled.
- [141:00]
B
I would imagine that would make you happy.
- [141:03]
A
I mean, yeah, but then she's talking about a young woman things, and you just want to read the Financial Times in peace. And.
- [141:09]
B
I don't know, man, maybe. Maybe that's why he's so good still, maybe he stays young. They killed it, man. They killed it at Coda Al Pacino.
- [141:17]
A
I. She was backstage and I.
- [141:19]
B
Another kid. I got another one. Yeah, yeah, another one.
- [141:22]
A
I got dragged away when I met her because people thought I was gonna ask weird stuff.
- [141:25]
B
So this is a new gal? Yeah. Oh, boy. He's 85. Holy.
- [141:31]
A
He still looks good.
- [141:34]
B
What do you want me to do?
- [141:36]
A
He's got a great hat. I mean.
- [141:37]
B
Wow, she's hot.
- [141:39]
A
It does start to look like you're. Oh, they split. I think that's the one I meant.
- [141:43]
B
That was the one that he split with. But he's got another one. Wow. Good for him.
- [141:49]
A
He loves breeding. He's still out there doing it.
- [141:52]
B
Listen, don't give Elon shit. Don't give him shit.
- [141:55]
A
I just like it done the old fashioned way. I like the Genghis Khan rooting his way across the step. I fear also like Elon's in public. He's one of the only billionaires who allows himself to be seen and judged and thought about. But if we had a list of the top 100 richest people in the world, we would know eight of them. Like these are the hidden figures who are off doing that.
- [142:17]
B
Well, the real richest people in the world are probably the oil bills, the Souths. Yeah. Because they don't even have to tell you how much money they have. Have.
- [142:24]
A
Yeah. Once they're building an ice.
- [142:27]
B
Yeah.
- [142:28]
A
What? Tobogganing room in the desert.
- [142:34]
B
Bro. They. They're building that. That. The line. Have you seen that? Like enormous city.
- [142:39]
A
That's going to be nice.
- [142:40]
B
Maybe it will be. They have so much money they can make it nice.
- [142:43]
A
Yeah.
- [142:43]
B
Look what they did to Dubai. You ever see the time lapse photos of Dubai?
- [142:48]
A
But they didn't even put. You can't even go to the toilet in that. In the Burj Khalifa. What do you mean they didn't put. Like, it's so big they couldn't get plumbing to work it. So they have like trucks come along and pick up the poo from downstairs every day and have to drive it out. It seems like a fake.
- [143:04]
B
Oh, that's an error.
- [143:05]
A
Yeah.
- [143:05]
B
Needs to be fired.
- [143:06]
A
Somebody's probably killed someone has been quietly chopped into pieces.
- [143:09]
B
Oh, 100% right.
- [143:11]
A
They've got.
- [143:11]
B
How you gonna fix that? The Burj Khalifa is like how many stores? It's too big and it's all buckets of shit being carried.
- [143:19]
A
I believe I could be getting that wrong. But someone told me that they have like semi trailers that come by in the morning. Is it a hug? I take it back. I got one wrong. I was right about the foot binding. I was right about.
- [143:29]
B
We should probably edit that out so they don't kill you.
- [143:31]
A
No, it's all right. Hey, I. No. I love the Kingdom of Saud. I'm a big fan. I could be got on Compromat so easily. Send me a new car. I'll say great things about the regime. No one has come to me. Not even someone selling dick pills or nothing. I want to get to that later.
- [143:49]
B
It's coming.
- [143:50]
A
It's. I don't see. I.
- [143:52]
B
Come on, bro. More. More appearances like this and it'll all happen.
- [143:56]
A
I'll be doing gamb. I'll be doing draftkings yeah, there you go. I don't think I could. I'm trying to figure out what companies I would have on my podcast.
- [144:04]
B
I wouldn't, but do you gamble at all?
- [144:07]
A
Yeah, but I don't like the companies. I like, you know, regular gambling. Regular. I'll bet. Yeah. Money for this. It's ruined footy in Australia, everybody. I think whether now I will. I will be right on this. Australia's the highest per capita gambling losses in the world, and it's. We've beat Singapore. We shouldn't be beating the Asian countries. Asians should have gambling down pat.
- [144:27]
B
Is that because you don't have footy in any other place? So you want.
- [144:30]
A
I think so. I think everything is so safe that it's like, I've got lose everything on this.
- [144:34]
B
You go crazy on that one thing. Gambling thing.
- [144:37]
A
Yeah. Because booze is expensive and. But then the way that they advertise on you, you always have to see the line. You can't watch a game of football with someone because they go. They don't just want their team to win anymore. They want, like, this guy to get 27 disposals and the second goal of the game. It's like just. I want to watch footy, but gambling is very exciting.
- [144:56]
B
Yeah. There's a thing like that in mma, too. You know, it's a. It's a big factor in mma, I think.
- [145:01]
A
Like, if your guy gets, you know, he wins, but by submission, then you're upset because you didn't knock the other guy out and you lost money.
- [145:06]
B
There's like, the Drake thing, too, because Drake spent. He. He bets, like, the rapid Drake, big money on the ufc. And did he bet on Charles Oliveira or Ilya Toporia?
- [145:17]
A
That was nutty. Oh, my God, I wish that also. It was. That was the first one of those since I met you.
- [145:23]
B
He bet 200 grand on Charlie Charles. Yeah, See, that's. They call it the Drake Curse.
- [145:27]
A
There's a website that whoever he bets on. God's damn.
- [145:30]
B
Yeah. Drake UFC betting history returned $0. Who is he? Not Chris. When it comes to UFC overall, though, he's up a million bucks. Oh. All time. From his public UFC bets. From his public ones. Over 25 bets. He's wagered $13.45 million, returning 14.48.
- [145:49]
A
Yeah, but everyone knows he's won 10.
- [145:50]
B
Out of those 25 bets, losing 15 times.
- [145:54]
A
You go public when you win.
- [145:55]
B
Interesting.
- [145:56]
A
It's a guy who comes back to the office on Monday.
- [145:59]
B
Look at that. He's only won 40 of the time. His average UFC bet size is 538k. That's interesting though, because he's only won 40 of the time. He just bets big when he's sure and so he's ahead. His biggest single loss was Adesanya to beat Alex Pereira in 22. The one that Pereira won the first one single bet victory was Jon Jones over Cyril Gone successfully predicting Jon Jones to win by submission. Interesting.
- [146:34]
A
Hold on, but this is a whole website dedicated to it. He could have set this up. No, no, it's commonly known he's betting on cricket.
- [146:41]
B
Yeah.
- [146:42]
A
Why is he betting on cricket?
- [146:43]
B
He likes to bet, dude. He's rich as fuck. He gets his jollies off, like throwing large numbers. Numbers. Three bets on cricket returning 2.65 mil. So he's ahead 3 for 3. So he knows what he's doing. He's making money.
- [146:57]
A
Yeah, but you always bet on the royals in the cricket.
- [147:00]
B
Well, if you're going to bet though, betting on sports where you actually know the game.
- [147:04]
A
Yes.
- [147:04]
B
That's a smart thing to bet on. Like I bet if I bet on fighting, I bet I'd be right 60% of the time.
- [147:12]
A
You'd be. There'd be a. You'd have a deal where they'd say, don't you, dear?
- [147:15]
B
Oh, no, you can't. Yeah, the UFC won't let you. But that was only recent, man. That was recent because there was an accusation that one of the trainers had been posting on some website and that they knew that this guy was injured.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And the guy lost in the first round. And there's a bunch of money that's not on him losing in the first round because he had a blown out knee.
- [147:36]
A
I think there was a footy player in Australia who was betting on himself to kick goals, which was like. Not like you have to. He was backing himself and it was like $15 on or something. It was very small. But he just.
- [147:45]
B
He got in trouble for that.
- [147:46]
A
He got in trouble for that. Even though he's betting on himself, he's been on himself to do well.
- [147:49]
B
I think if you bet on yourself to win, that should be legal.
- [147:52]
A
It seems I bet on the Eurovision Song Contest. That's my go to.
- [147:56]
B
Fighters have made like personal bets with each other. Like, I'll bet you that first. Yeah. That's what makes it more exciting.
- [148:02]
A
Yeah. But there's definitely room for, if, if there's room for someone to throw it. That's an issue.
- [148:07]
B
That is an issue. It's an issue with fights.
- [148:09]
A
Eurovision is a good bet.
- [148:10]
B
If you found out that a fighter bet against himself, like, oh, God. Or the trainer bet against the fighter. Which has happened before. That has happened before. It was, like, anonymous back in the day, like in the old boxing days, like, people could throw fights and, you know. Yeah. That happened all the time.
- [148:27]
A
Was it on the Waterfront? That's why.
- [148:28]
B
Yep, yep, yep. Marlon Brando. Yeah. That also. That. That is 100. Happened in MMA, especially in Japan. Japan. In Japan, in the early days, there was a lot of fixed fights, and you could kind of tell some of them. You watch them, you're like, oh, my God, it's fixed. But it was to be like. Because a lot of the Japanese stars originally in Pride came from the world of pro wrestling.
- [148:49]
A
Yes.
- [148:50]
B
Where they had determined outcomes.
- [148:52]
A
Yeah.
- [148:52]
B
And so some of these guys were stars, and there's a few fights that they had as stars where it was a fixed fight, but like that.
- [148:58]
A
That Logan Paul, Mike Tyson fight.
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B
Yeah.
- [149:01]
A
He could have knocked him out earlier and clearly was choosing not to. I mean, he bows to him at the end.
- [149:07]
B
It seemed to me like sparring.
- [149:10]
A
Yeah.
- [149:10]
B
When I watched it, which, you know, look, I paid for it. They got me. I thought it was going to be a real fight, but I'm not mad because I'm just happy that Mike Tyson made a ton of money.
- [149:19]
A
Yeah.
- [149:20]
B
And I'm happy for Jake Paul that he made it. And look, if he decided not to try to hurt Mike Tyson at 58 years old, sure.
- [149:27]
A
But there's some guy out there who had a million dollars on.
- [149:29]
B
That's the problem. That's why, look, maybe it was a real fight. Maybe that's just the level that they both fight at. Hmm. But, you know, it seemed. It seemed a little sus. You know, it was.
- [149:41]
A
I mean, we watched that in the green room, I think, and we couldn't get it. Couldn't get it going.
- [149:45]
B
Yeah. But I think that, you know, at the end of the day, it's okay. It doesn't bother me. It's a different. That's a different situation than someone like Terence Crawford fighting Canelo Alvarez. And I don't think that that fight's legit. If I saw that and I didn't think it was legit, I'd be furious. Like, you guys are in your prime. These are the best fighters on planet Earth. We finally gonna get to see you guys box, and then they. And you threw a fight. But that's not what's going on. You know, Mike Tyson, Jake Paul was the most heavily wagered fight in years. Okay. That's a problem that makes it a problem. My opinion is, I just want to say, in case someone calls me into court, I'm a fucking idiot and I don't know nothing and don't take my advice.
- [150:25]
A
I love the savvy. I love the Israeli government. I love everybody.
- [150:28]
B
That had nothing to do with the. With them. That was Jake Paul promoting it. You know, it's just like.
- [150:32]
A
But that doesn't.
- [150:33]
B
Doesn't bother me.
- [150:34]
A
There's compromising the sport and that's, like, bad.
- [150:37]
B
It's just like, if I bet on.
- [150:38]
A
It, watching it, watching it with people who have. Who are so in on it. And then also the cut, like, man, the sports betting apps, they've like, they introduce like chat apps in them in Australia. So it's like they're trying to take the place of social media companies where you go together and you meet your friend. Like, betting should be exciting enough without having a win. Weird.
- [150:56]
B
They're just trying to draw. They're just trying to make money. Right. So they're trying to draw you in any way they can.
- [151:00]
A
Yeah.
- [151:01]
B
Yeah. When I was first starting to work for the ufc, I bet. I bet a bunch of times because. And then I thought, like, I probably shouldn't do this, but I couldn't. I was thinking, I was justifying in my head, I was like, I can't affect the outcome.
- [151:14]
A
Yeah.
- [151:15]
B
It wasn't a. There was no rule.
- [151:16]
A
It doesn't matter how you're calling it. It's not gonna.
- [151:18]
B
I'm not gonna change. And also, like, I, I like the fights and I'm not going to bet that much anyway. But then my business partner on it and I, Aubrey, he. He would bet on things I would tell him to bet on. He was up like 80% at one time.
- [151:31]
A
Yeah.
- [151:32]
B
Because in the early days, like in the early, like 2000sish, when they're bringing in guys from like Japan and Russia, there was a lot of dudes that I knew about that the bookmakers didn't know about.
- [151:45]
A
Yeah.
- [151:45]
B
You know, like where like, like when Anderson Silva came over to America, I was like, bet the house. Bet everything on Anderson. I mean, bet everything. Because Chris Leben, who's a great fighter, is tailor made for that style. And Anderson is one of the nastiest strikers that's ever competed in the sport. He's so good and so accurate, and he just ran through Chris Leben in the first round. I was like, called it. Because there's certain fights where you like, this guy's special, like, Ilia Toporia like Ailia Toporia is fighting a regular guy. Like, bet the house.
- [152:17]
A
Yeah.
- [152:17]
B
On the Spaniard, Bet the house. Like, that guy's special. There's like. When Alex Pereira first came to the ufc, I was telling everybody, bet the house on the Brazilian. I'm like, if he touches you, you go into orbit.
- [152:30]
A
Yeah.
- [152:30]
B
Like, he's just different. This is a different guy.
- [152:32]
A
And you just have to know about that before the bookies.
- [152:34]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But people knew about Pereira sort of, but they didn't have a lot of evidence of him being that good in mma. They had one fight in the lfa. There was another fight. Fight before that where he lost by submission. I think maybe he had one other win, but it was the kickboxing. So I'm a big kickboxing fan, and in kickboxing, he was a two division world champion in glory, which is like the. The elite kickboxing league. But the thing wasn't that he was winning, it was how he was winning. Yeah, he was flatlining people.
- [153:04]
A
But you have to have actually watched the fight.
- [153:05]
B
Yeah, yeah. To get that, you'd have to watch. You also be able to critically analyze his movements. They're just different. He's just doing something. He moves different than people. And the. The when. When he hits guys, it's like, holy, man.
- [153:20]
A
Yeah.
- [153:20]
B
They can all knock each other out. They're all elite fighters.
- [153:22]
A
I mean, the last I watched that Oliveira fight, and so I was. We with Nate. Nate's team in. In San Jose, someone says this man's the man who knocked him out. He's like, his punch is incredible. No one knows this, like, within the. They were all saying, like, this is an easy. And Oliveira is going to lose because of this man's. And then when he hits him in the head, you go. Because he knocks him out on the first punch and then catches him on the second and hits him twice after that. But it's like if you just. I don't know about fighting. And then watching that, I couldn't believe he was knocked out from. It didn't look like it should have had that impact.
- [153:56]
B
Oh, it should for sure. Yeah. When you watch the punch being delivered in slow motion, it looks everything like a knockout punch. He throws his punches with so much conviction. There's so much torque and they're so perfect.
- [154:09]
A
Like his whole body is coming in.
- [154:11]
B
It's the. The coordination of the mechanics of his movements. It's like that's a big part of. He also has very big fists, but that's a big part especially for 145 and even in 155, like he's undersized compared to like guys like Roofy, who's like 6:2. He's like some elite guys that are big in that weight class, but the way he delivers his punches, it's like you just can't get hit by him, man. He's got so much commitment and so the, the timing is so perfect. When he went blam. With that right hand.
- [154:43]
A
Yeah.
- [154:43]
B
Added everything on it. No one's eating that shot. No one. No one. He's got the what Forasa hobby likes to call the touch of death. It's a perfect name for it. Cuz like he hits guys. They're just done, man. They're done. That seems the greatest three fight win streak in the history of the sport. He knocks out Alexander Volkanovski, Max Holloway and then Charles Oliveira. It's the greatest three fight win streak in the history of the sport.
- [155:11]
A
And Volkanovski's currently the champ, so he'll.
- [155:13]
B
He is now. He came back, but that's at 45 though. Okay, so he went up to 55. So Volkanovski's the champ because he abandoned the belt at 45 because he wanted to pursue the belt at 55. He didn't want to make weight at Ilya, didn't want to make 145 anymore. So it felt like it's too draining for his body and he'd be even better at 55. Turns out he was right. He's even better at 55. Charles Oliveira's really good, man. Really good. For him to starch him like that with essentially one punch is extraordinary. But he called it, which is even crazier.
- [155:47]
A
He said, I'm going to knock him out with one punch.
- [155:48]
B
He's going to knock him out in the first round around. And he also, he had a celebration for his victory the night before the fight. So he went to a restaurant, he's standing on a bench, they're cheering.
- [155:57]
A
That is cool.
- [155:59]
B
It worked. I mean, listen, if you're that good.
- [156:01]
A
And he's gonna fight the Scouser, the Scouser kept saying, yeah, Cass kept going, I want him. And then nights Tim are going like he thinks he wants him, he doesn't want him.
- [156:10]
B
It'll probably happen eventually because they hate each other and it'd be very marketable. I don't know if it's going to happen next.
- [156:15]
A
This is my first year following it. I'm starting that. My brother watches it a lot.
- [156:19]
B
There's a lot of really good guys at 155 though. If you wanted to look, if you wanted to do it according to like who deserves the shot? It would be. In my mind it would be either Justin Gaethje, who is a very compelling argument for deserving the shot. He was the interim champion. Beat the shit. He essentially like changed the progression of Tony Ferguson's career. Career like that one.
- [156:43]
A
Just by knocking him out.
- [156:44]
B
Just beat him down, man. Yeah, it was a brutal, brutal fight. And then, you know, I mean he's got so many victories. He just beat Fazeev again after getting knocked out by Holloway. He's one of the best of the best. And you know he's fought for the title before. He fought. He fought Khabib. Like he's really good, man.
- [157:05]
A
But what would stuff.
- [157:05]
B
And he's a big star and he also deserves. The other guy would be Arman Tsarukian. Arman Tsarukian was supposed to fight Islam for the title, but got a back injury supposedly during because of the weight cut. He had a particularly brutal weight cut and his back locked up to the point where he couldn't even fucking move. And so they had to call the fight.
- [157:22]
A
Yeah.
- [157:23]
B
And so then they brought in Hanato Moicano and he fought for the like last minute replacement. So Tsarukian is elite. He's as good as it gets. And he could be a world champion. And so if. If I wanted to do it according to not marketability, but rather like who deserves it, it would be either Gagey or Saruki.
- [157:43]
A
How often does that come into it as opposed to the marketability?
- [157:46]
B
I don't, I don't do that, man. That's the thing. It's like I'm not involved. I would not be the right guy for the business.
- [157:52]
A
Yeah.
- [157:52]
B
Because like I would, I would. I'm kind of a purist. I feel like if you're the number one contender, you get the shot. Like that's how I feel feel. But I also don't know if I agree who the number one contender is all the time. I think like that should be up for debate. Like it's very subjective. Like who decides like what victories count for more.
- [158:11]
A
Yeah.
- [158:11]
B
Or who would be more compelling to fight for the title. Who deserves it. Like some guys have to fight a ton of guys and then other guys like Pereira, he got a shot at Adesanya. Like just a few fights in.
- [158:21]
A
Yeah. But this is what then kills. This hurts. Boxing is when like you have a champ who's just repeatedly take some people that they can walk over to extend.
- [158:31]
B
There's a little bit of that victory.
- [158:32]
A
But because the UFC is all, yeah, it's one thing.
- [158:34]
B
The UFC makes you fight the big fights. And if you don't want to fight the big fights, like, Jon Jones didn't want to fight Tom Aspinall, like, then.
- [158:42]
A
They can strip it.
- [158:43]
B
Well, he didn't strip him. John just retired. But I think John just decided to retire legitimately. I think he's, you know, he's partying a lot. He had a long career, and he's the greatest of all time. Like, at a certain point in time, you have to say, hey, enough. And at 37, as the heavyweight champion, retiring undefeated, that's probably a good move. You know, he's got one loss, but it's a.
- [159:03]
A
Have you seen those late Muhammad Ali interviews where he's going back? He's going back again, and people are begging him, you don't have to do this. It's over. It's fine that it's over. You're the greatest. That's fine.
- [159:13]
B
Money, man.
- [159:14]
A
How did he not have any money?
- [159:16]
B
Because he got ripped off. He got ripped off, man. He got ripped off. And a lot of these, like, wild, impulsive dudes, they spend all their money. Like, Tyson spent hundreds of years, millions. Yeah, he bought tigers, and he was joking around about it. He had Lamborghinis and tigers and mansions. He had a mansion in Ohio that he just abandoned.
- [159:34]
A
Well, that's.
- [159:35]
B
And, like, you could go, like, there was an online tour of this mansion, and you can go and, like, online, like, someone broke into the mansion, took photos of it and everything.
- [159:44]
A
There's a guy who did that with Kanye's mansion in LA recently. There's an Aussie, he's written a book about John Saffran, who's one of our best.
- [159:51]
B
Really?
- [159:52]
A
Yeah. He wrote a book about trespassed. He wrote a book about squatting in Kanye's mansion. You could just come in through the shrubs out the back. And I finished the book sitting in Kanye's house. He was always doing wild stuff. He was. He was a filmmaker. He, like, ran naked through the streets of Jerusalem, I think. Jesus Christ. What else did. He got crucified in the Philippines.
- [160:10]
B
Crucified. Like on a cross?
- [160:12]
A
Yeah, like at Easter, they. They ritualist. They really drive nails, three hands. But they crucify people in the Philippines.
- [160:17]
B
Yeah, yeah, he did that.
- [160:18]
A
He did that. He went and got. For the end. For the season finale of one of his shows. He got crucified in the Philippines.
- [160:23]
B
Oh, my God. What a nut.
- [160:25]
A
He's wild. He's a very exciting.
- [160:26]
B
What's his name?
- [160:27]
A
John Saffran. Yeah, he is the man.
- [160:29]
B
He had be a good podcast guest.
- [160:31]
A
He stole a lot of Eurasian women's underpants to see if he liked the smell of them better.
- [160:36]
B
Oh, this guy. Why he can't be stealing chicks underwear. No.
- [160:39]
A
And then he like, he took other underpants that were not Eurasian to see if he was a true. Attracted to. He stole his Eurasian friends underpants.
- [160:46]
B
Jewish Australian, comedian, journalist. That's a lot. Yeah. Spent a week living in one of West's homes in Los Angeles. This is what he. As if Kanye didn't hate Jews enough.
- [160:56]
A
Well, this might. I've never heard him speak on this. I've never heard him speak on John Cephy.
- [160:59]
B
Isn't it kind of funny though that a Jewish guy is the guy who squatted in his house?
- [161:03]
A
I think that's why I did it. I think he was like, that's hilarious. No, he's wild. He's hilarious.
- [161:09]
B
Yeah, he was crazy.
- [161:11]
A
Now that he's writing books. But his. Yeah, his documentary series were great. He was in a show called Race around the World and everyone else would like take it very seriously. They had like six aspiring filmmakers.
- [161:19]
B
You know what the nuttiest spending of money was? Was Evander. Evander Holyfield, who was the heavyweight champion of the world. He made the biggest fucking house. It was an insanely huge house. And then I think he sold it to Rick Ross the rapper. But it's the. The house is insane. I don't know how much it cost. I, I mean, I don't know how much it cost. I'm. I would. I don't even want to guess. But it's the craziest house I've ever seen in my life. It's like a house that you would say, if I'm the baddest on earth, I want the baddest fucking house on earth.
- [161:51]
A
See a gypsy.
- [161:52]
B
He's a Vander Holyfield.
- [161:54]
A
I don't know.
- [161:54]
B
You don't know who Vander Holyfield is? Oh, my God. One of the greatest heavyweights of all time.
- [161:58]
A
Have you seen the Gypsy house?
- [161:59]
B
He beat Mike Tyson. Evander Holyfield beat Mike Tyson when he was Mike Tyson.
- [162:03]
A
Very little about.
- [162:04]
B
He knocked him out, he stopped him.
- [162:06]
A
And then he went and bought a.
- [162:07]
B
And then Mike Tyson bit his ear off.
- [162:09]
A
Oh, he was the ear biting guy.
- [162:10]
B
The ear biting guy. That was the second.
- [162:11]
A
I didn't know about the earbud.
- [162:12]
B
That was after Tyson beat him up in the first fight. The second fight he bit his ear.
- [162:15]
A
Was he losing the second fight before Tyson was losing. Okay, that's why.
- [162:19]
B
But show. Show Vander Holyfield's house. Look at this place, bro. 44, 234 square feet and has 109 rooms.
- [162:30]
A
Actually very tasteful.
- [162:31]
B
Including 130. 35 foot. Excuse me. 135 seat theater, a bowling alley and a dining room that accommodates 100 people. Where is it so large they named the highway on which it sits? Evander Holyfield Highway. That's crazy.
- [162:48]
A
That's a. That's. I thought it would be bad.
- [162:51]
B
No, it's gorgeous. It cost 200 estimated worth of 230 million in 94.
- [163:00]
A
That.
- [163:00]
B
The wood paneling in 94. Around that time he had an estimate. Oh, excuse me. Around that time he had an estimated worth of 230 million. It's. It's in Georgia. An amazing house. I mean, it's spectacular. And now Rick Ross the rapper lives there, which is like the perfect rapper house.
- [163:16]
A
You got to spend it on, but.
- [163:18]
B
See if you can get photos of it. Oh, it's gorgeous. It's. And it's a giant piece of land too. I think it's 100. Yeah. 105 acres. See if you can see an image of it from the out. Yeah, there you. That. That one where you see like, look at that.
- [163:30]
A
It does look like the Georgia.
- [163:32]
B
If you're a Vander Holyfield, that's the kind of house you want to live in when you're the baddest alive.
- [163:36]
A
Look at that place.
- [163:37]
B
So beautiful.
- [163:38]
A
I get hung up. Yes.
- [163:40]
B
Yeah.
- [163:41]
A
I. The yachts. I like looking at the super yachts. I look like Jeff Bezos, although they're nuts.
- [163:47]
B
But this house is incredible.
- [163:49]
A
You'd feel so lonely suddenly.
- [163:50]
B
Rick Rossball buffaloes. And you have your friends living there. Yeah, but you got buffaloes.
- [163:54]
A
You'd see them every day.
- [163:56]
B
Oh, that's cool. He's got his own buffaloes. Dope as. That's such a rapper move. Have your own buffaloes on your property. I love it. Rick Ross thanks his neighbors for helping him return his buffaloes. Just hanging out. They wandered over. Helping him return his wander buffaloes. He had to hire some cowboys to bring his animals back home.
- [164:21]
A
Yeah. No one needs to.
- [164:23]
B
Why not?
- [164:23]
A
Maybe I do need.
- [164:24]
B
Maybe you do. Maybe if you become huge and you start doing arenas in America and you develop an insane amount of money and all a sudden you got giraffes at your house.
- [164:30]
A
And I go, hey. Very hard to understand what the.
- [164:33]
B
I Thought you weren't going to go full Rick Ross.
- [164:36]
A
No, I mean, I. I would go. I feel very lucky that I got to open for Shane. And he lives very humbly. Yeah, but you're like, Matt still drives his old car. You're gonna get in a big fancy.
- [164:47]
B
Car, you're gonna go crazy.
- [164:47]
A
I would like a roll through.
- [164:48]
B
Shane lives humbly, but he's also got a Mercedes S Class.
- [164:52]
A
He.
- [164:52]
B
This is Mike Tyson's house that got abandoned. Giant tv. Looks like somebody broke. Oh, yeah, they broke. I mean, it was abandoned for a long time, so they broke all the. That's crazy. So people just would break into his house when he wasn't there. So did he just leave it there or did he just. Well, I mean, he probably trying to sell it and no one bought it. So that makes it abandoned, you know, there.
- [165:12]
A
I think Michael Jordan's house he sold at a loss because of everything he'd done to it.
- [165:16]
B
Some guy just actually bought it. And recently in Airbnb, he tried to.
- [165:19]
A
Take the shoe gate off. He'd like the gate was a pair of Jordans or something.
- [165:23]
B
That house is only worth 1.1 million. That's how crazy. After it's half forever, that's a steal. Oh, after it's half forever, how much work you have to do to fix it back up? Bro, if I lived in that town and I found out Mike Tyson's house is for sale, I'd be like, let's go.
- [165:35]
A
It's been a lot of fentanyl.
- [165:36]
B
Let's go. You think so?
- [165:37]
A
In Ohio, in the abandoned mansion.
- [165:40]
B
Abandoned mansion, yeah, but I'll just use some sage. I'll clear that out of there.
- [165:43]
A
Someone did sage last night backstage.
- [165:46]
B
He left in.
- [165:47]
A
There was an odor backstage last night and I came off stage and I. Yeah, go working. Security said we burned sage. I didn't know there was a big sage.
- [165:55]
B
Someone evil in the room.
- [165:56]
A
I think someone might have just. I won't. I won't name who it was, but someone might have left a terrible smell. Oh, I think someone was.
- [166:05]
B
That definitely happens in that room. There's a lot of people eating. Eating weird food that gets delivered to that room.
- [166:10]
A
Yeah, I mean, I. Oh, man. Camp Patterson. I don't wanna. I should have said just a guy. I shouldn't have added it as Camp Patterson. But no, when he headlined, he bought like. He bought like enough fried chicken for 50 people and it was just me and his in hope. It was like one of the first times I was hanging out with all black people. In America. I was just quietly.
- [166:31]
B
Gus's. Did they get it from Gus's?
- [166:33]
A
I. It was like, no. I don't know where it was from. It was huge and it was beautiful. And I thought. I didn't know we had to do that. And headlining. Do we have to get food for everybody? No, we don't have to.
- [166:43]
B
You could definitely order food. If you ever want a headline there, we'll order you food.
- [166:47]
A
Well, I. Man, I have had good meals in that green room.
- [166:50]
B
Yeah, me too. We get Terry Black's delivered.
- [166:52]
A
Terry Black's right there.
- [166:53]
B
We'd have not a damn chance. Not a damn chance burgers.
- [166:56]
A
Brian Simpson ordered ramen and didn't want to eat the eggs. Everyone looked at me funny for eating it. He said, I don't want these. And I said, I. I'll eat that. I'm hungry.
- [167:04]
B
Why not, man?
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A
There's also. It's kind of a food. There's a pizza place next door and there's a chick fil a way down the road.
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B
It's a really good taco truck up the street too.
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A
The. And the Diddy dog is good. There's a lot of things in vans. But I am more suspicious of eating out of trucks and vans now than I used to be. I've had enough. What I like is the Mexicans doing the weird hot dogs with like, whatever. They've got huge onions and capsicum.
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B
Oh, yeah. I. Oh, Japski or hot. Hot sauce guy.
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A
I love. I just like those men.
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B
Yeah.
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A
With like a thousand things and a little hot plate. There's less of them now there than there used to be. Well, who can say why? I hope they come back.
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B
Let's see.
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A
It's a. That was what I'd always like. There was always a contingent of the American, like people chatting on cable news who would say that illegal immigration wasn't a huge thing and that people were inflating the number. And then when I got here and I. No one warned me, but I was like setting up a house and I went to a Home Depot in the morning and it was like, I was like 150 guys just out there. This, I mean, this is old hat and Americans don't talk about it anymore because you've just all known for decades this is what happens out front of a Home Depot.
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B
Well, especially la, if you go to la. It was way higher numbers in la. I think Texas actually has some pretty high numbers too, though. They just. They have to figure out a pathway way to citizenship for these folks and amnesty for People that have been here and established getting in the front door.
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A
Is a. Yeah, it's.
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B
And also a lot of those people are good people. Good people. Hard workers.
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A
What I liked is that the. The hombres out front of the Home Depot, a lot of them were like, pro American gear, like big American hats and bald eagle shirts and things. It's like, I'm going to be the most pro American.
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B
Yeah. Or they just need a pathway. Let's make sure that they're not cartel members and criminals and murderers.
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A
That seems even.
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B
Yeah, it seems like it's doable. And it's also. They're valuable. Like, these are people that come over here with ambition. That's what this country wants.
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A
But why would anyone want a better life? There's so, like, I think if you polled Americans, like, huge numbers of people would support that.
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B
I agree.
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A
So why doesn't anybody.
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B
It's a good question.
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A
Why can't anybody get it together?
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B
Well, the thing is, it was. I think it's an overcorrection because it was so bad for the last four years, where they had an open border and they were encouraging people to come in. They were encouraging people, they were helping people, they were moving people to swing states. The problem is, when you have it.
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A
They were admitting it. I watched the Fetterman one where he was going, yeah, I mean, this is what you gotta do. Yeah.
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B
Admitting it.
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A
This is crazy.
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B
It's crazy because the thing is, it affects elections in more ways than one. Even if they can't vote, it affects the amount of congressional seats dependent upon the population, regardless of whether that population is legal or illegal. Illegal. So if you have 20 million people in a place, you get certain amount.
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A
Of Congressional, regardless of if they're registered. I mean, that's.
- [169:47]
B
That's where things get weird. That's the reality of politics in America. And they wanted to stop that, and the Democrats did not. The Democrats wanted that to keep going. That was one of the things that Trump ran on.
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A
But then also, he gets in, he's like, can we get the white South Africans out here immediately? Can we move a million white South Africans to. Yeah, that's Arizona.
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B
Right. Because, like, what. You're bringing them in, but you're not bringing the persecution, Mexicans in.
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A
Like, okay, it seems like a pathway would be. But it's also like, the things I.
- [170:15]
B
Had to do to get Africa thing is nuts, man. The South Africa thing, like the killing of the farmers, like, people want to deny that that exists.
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A
I have seen the rally, the kill the boar, kill the farmer, he's really. He's doing it.
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B
I've seen it.
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A
And then he gets on trial and he goes. He goes. I was saying kiss. I said kiss the boar, right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
With his cold, dead eyes. He's a spooky cat. I forget his name. He's. Yeah, yeah. They got some things to sort out.
- [170:42]
B
Indeed. Well, listen, the can. Sorry, I didn't mean to America. That's a note to go out on Johnny. Me, Johnny Bones said I just reentered the testing pool. That lasted about two weeks. Figured we keep everyone's options open. A lot of the fighters are tweeting right now. They're very excited about fighting on the White House lawn. Oh, that's right.
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A
They're gonna fight on the White House.
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B
July 4, 2026, White House lawn. Lawn. I knew about it. I kept it under my hat.
- [171:05]
A
Okay.
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B
For months. Sorry, people.
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A
They're gonna fight in the Rose Garden.
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B
They're gonna fight on the White House lawn. 20,000 people, 25,000. Connor's in. It's the. Yeah, he says he's gonna be the president of Ireland by then next year.
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A
He's chosen. A weird time to run.
- [171:22]
B
Yeah, but the world's weird. McCann.
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A
Yeah.
- [171:24]
B
I love you to death, brother.
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A
Thank you for being here.
- [171:26]
B
Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. It's been awesome having you around.
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A
For real, you. Thank.
- [171:29]
B
You're a fucking great guy.
- [171:30]
A
If I said anything crazy, I didn't mean it.
- [171:32]
B
You're very, very funny, too. And if anyone hasn't seen you stand up, go see him. I can't recommend you enough.
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A
You've changed my life. Can I say something touching at the end?
- [171:40]
B
Okay.
- [171:41]
A
All right. I was. I mean, I was poor. No opportunities I got passed at that club, and it's revolutionized. I get to pay my rent on time. I get to do comedy often, and people are nice about it. This is. It's been very, very strange. And I couldn't have done it if you hadn't set that club up.
- [171:59]
B
Well, I appreciate that very much. And that's the whole reason why we set it up the way we set it up in the first place. We wanted to make it a place where that can happen. And like I said about open micrs that are good, they just never saw a path and couldn't figure it out. I think we can save some of those people in the future. I think we can lessen the attrition rate and we can make better comics and make a real support community, which is what we're really doing. And, you know, that was the whole goal of the place, is to make the best club possible. And the best club possible has to have development. You have to have people coming up that are really good. It's like that's the key that a lot of these, like improvs and stuff, they miss.
- [172:38]
A
They don't have like a night where you can just a bunch of people are doing 15 minutes.
- [172:42]
B
They don't develop a local community.
- [172:43]
A
Yeah.
- [172:44]
B
So they only rely on the headliners to come in on the weekend. And the rest of the shows, you have various headliners do one night or two nights or something like that, which is fine occasionally. But the reality is you want a vibrant development community. And if you don't have that, you're not going to get new talent. You're only going to have import talent every week.
- [173:02]
A
There's three cities in all of America where you can reliably do. It used to just be two. This has changed it.
- [173:08]
B
Yeah.
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A
And Shane brought me over here. I want to shout him out because he. I was in Ohio. I was having a good time, but I had no. I. There was. Nothing happened for me. And then the fact that there is a place that you can come and if you're going to work hard and do it well, I mean, that's insane.
- [173:25]
B
It's awesome.
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A
Ah, look, I don't want to go on about it.
- [173:28]
B
We're happy to have you, brother.
- [173:29]
A
I'm very touched.
- [173:29]
B
Thank you.
- [173:30]
A
God bless you.
- [173:31]
B
Tell everybody your Instagram so they could.
- [173:32]
A
Follow you at JDF McCann. The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan. That's a great podcast that everybody should check out.
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B
Out.
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A
I think I got books of poems. That's it.
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B
Okay. Beautiful.
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A
Hey, thank you so much.
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B
Thank you, brother. Bye, everybody.