#2386 - The Red Clay Strays

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2386 – The Red Clay Strays (September 30, 2025)

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Episode Overview

Joe Rogan sits down with The Red Clay Strays, a rapidly rising Southern Rock/Americana band, for a freewheeling, candid conversation about their journey, the realities of band life, faith, mental health, the current state of society, ancient mysteries, technology, and much more. The band's authenticity, humor, and philosophy shine through as they discuss everything from their humble beginnings and musical process to broader topics like social division, government, and the weirdness of the world today.

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Main Theme

Resilience, Authenticity, and Unity Through Adversity:
The episode orbits the importance of humility, hard work, personal growth, and brotherhood both in music and in society. The Red Clay Strays share their band’s story, grounded in faith, hardship, and a commitment to serving others, as a template for overcoming conflict and finding meaning.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Dealing with Fame, Criticism, and Internet Culture

• The band jokes about the brutality of internet comments and the strange criticisms they receive.
  • [00:33] Andrew: “I got called a lesbian so many times.”
  • [01:02] Joe Rogan: "Oh, don't do that."
• Rogan advises not to track numbers or read comments (unless you want a headache), emphasizing the toxicity of online culture.

Notable Quote

"Don't pay attention to numbers. Don't read the comments."
– Joe Rogan [00:27]

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2. Life on the Road and Band Formation

• The group discusses the difficulty and excitement of constant touring, being on the road since 2018 and finally slowing down.
  • [02:05] Brandon Lane: “We started touring in 2018… pretty much flat out since then, just little breaks.”
• They reminisce about their origins: random gym meetings, having no music business experience, learning everything on the fly, and even accidentally undercutting management fees out of ignorance.
  • [04:04] “He had us playing every single bar on the Gulf Coast… we cut him in evenly.” – Brandon Lane

Notable Quote

“We didn’t know how to play music that well either… We'd show up to these bars and most of the time run people out and clear the room out.”
– Brandon Lane [06:31]

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3. Band Dynamics and Conflict Resolution

• The Strays stress that band life is like brotherhood—a constant balance of getting on each other’s nerves but learning to communicate and evolve together.
• Importance of openly talking about feelings as a rare skill among young men and musicians.
  • [12:30] Andrew: “We had to learn how to talk about our feelings with each other… not just bottle stuff up.”

Notable Quote

"If a band says they don't get pissed off, they're lying or they just don't like each other for real."
– Andrew [12:34]

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4. Staying United: Faith, Mindset, and Selflessness

• The band credits their unity to a shared faith and selfless mindset.
  • [16:41] Brandon Lane: “It's a God thing. If you're just chasing worldly things and worried about yourself… you’re gonna walk away."
• They see their calling as serving both God and each other, rather than seeking fame or riches.

Notable Quote

"If I want to make this thing work, how can I serve these guys?"
– Brandon Lane [16:41]

"He who is greatest among you, let him be your servant… once it becomes a selfless thing instead of a selfish thing... I don’t see how you could break up."
– Brandon Lane [17:05]

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5. Mental Health, Music’s Purpose, and Impact

• The Strays share moving stories of fans finding hope in their music, emphasizing the difference between chasing fame and helping people.
  • [30:41] Brandon Lane: "We get messages every day… One lady decided to off herself… our song ‘I'm Still Fine’ came on and it snapped her out of it. Saved her life."
• Their songwriting often emerges from hardship and personal struggle ("Drowning" written during the COVID Uber hustle).

Notable Quote

"If we were just doing it to be popular, to be famous... that's not enough… what keeps us going is those stories, seeing how our music affects people and helps them in a positive way."
– Brandon Lane [31:48]

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6. Social Media & the Modern Attention Economy

• The perils of self-critique and imposter syndrome versus the dangers of believing your own hype.
  • [27:35] Rogan: "I think you're much better off being heavily critical of yourself."
  • [27:41] Drew: “I’ll never want to be content with anything I’m doing… in my head it just feels like Guitar Hero when they start booing you.”

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7. Division, Politics, and Society’s Fraying Edges

• Rogan and the band lament rising tribalism, political division, and the way social media amplifies hatred and superficial differences (even down to Android vs. iPhone).
  • [54:40] Brandon Lane: “Get off your phone and just walk around in society. It’s really not that bad.”
  • [57:03] "When the iPhone babies grow up, they're gonna be killing each other over phones." – Brandon Lane

Notable Quote

"It's celebrated to hate people. That's the weird part."
– Joe Rogan [52:13]

"It's a fake place. You think I'm gonna waste my time arguing with you on social media?"
– Brandon Lane [125:13]

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8. Ancient Mysteries, Religion, and the Human Story

• A lengthy, entertaining tangent on lost civilizations, giants, the Book of Enoch, aliens and more. The band ties interest in the ancient past to spiritual questions.
  • [72:11] Rogan: "The Book of Enoch is in the Dead Sea Scrolls… it talks about the watchers in the sky…"
  • [89:05] Brandon Lane: "Anytime the Smithsonian got involved [in a giant’s bones discovery], it just got shut down.”
• They question why evidence of human prehistory or biblical miracles seems to get buried.

Notable Quote

"If they ever did find a giant, they probably wouldn't tell us."
– Joe Rogan [90:23]

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9. Technology, Surveillance, and Government Power

• Spirited debate on privacy, digital IDs, the right to control your own data, and the growth of government and corporate surveillance.
  • [60:04] Joe Rogan: “No individual should be able to look at your phone. You can't look at theirs. It's a power thing, control.”
• Discussion of social credit systems in China and the risk of similar technologies creeping into the West.

Notable Quote

"If you jaywalk and they get a photo of your face... your thing gets dinged. Now you can't buy a plane ticket."
– Joe Rogan [62:15]

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10. Music, Faith, and Being a Great Uniter

• The band expresses their desire to remain non-political in their music, focusing on what brings people together.
  • [46:45] Brandon Lane: “We've always made a point in the band to not get political … we don't care what your politics are. Just come listen to the music and have fun.”
  • [125:27] “It's one of the few things that really unites us. All persuasions, just love a good song.”
• Their upcoming single "People Hating" is a direct response to the culture of division, releasing October 3rd.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “I just saw something I knew was incredible. What do I need to do to get this guy in front of people?”
  – Drew, on managing the band [04:49]

• “You have five individuals that are gonna check each other. We always say the pack will correct.”
  – Andrew [26:54]

• “It’s all chasing after the wind. What’s the point in all this?”
  – Brandon Lane, regarding faith and purpose [18:15]

• “Making it… is like the film where people hold hands and walk off into the sunset. That’s a crock of shit. You gotta wake up the next morning…”
  – Joe Rogan [28:29]

• “Most people are not going to get off their phone. And that’s what’s fucked most people.”
  – Joe Rogan [54:56]

• “If this is the reason [God’s plan], then here I go. I don’t know how it’s going to work out, but I’m just going to trust you.”
  – Brandon Lane [18:15]

• About the Shroud of Turin:
  "You only see Jesus when it’s a negative… They don’t know how that image was put on there. It wasn’t stained. It wasn’t burned on there. They don’t know what caused it."
  – Joe Rogan [93:33]

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Selected Segment Timeline

| Timestamp | Segment | |---------------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 00:12-07:39 | Touring and the band's grassroots formation | | 13:27-20:44 | Managing conflicts, faith as guiding compass | | 30:34-32:52 | Revealing the impact of their music on struggling fans, Uber stories | | 46:45-52:04 | Rising social/political division, writing “People Hating” | | 54:40-57:27 | Society’s tribalism; Android vs iPhone microcosm | | 72:11-79:47 | Book of Enoch, ancient aliens, giants, lost civilizations | | 90:23-92:38 | Why would proof of ancient giants be hidden? | | 125:13-126:26 | The unifying power of music & not engaging with trolls |

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Tone and Language

Laid-back, humorous, peppered with philosophical depth. The guests speak earnestly and candidly, with folksy charm and self-deprecation, balanced by Rogan’s trademark curiosity and skepticism.

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Memorable Moments

• Elvis & Steven Seagal Martial Arts: [21:06–23:57]
  Playful riffing on fake martial arts and cultural icons.

• Uber Driving While Semi-Famous: [32:37–34:47]
  The hilarious, humbling realities of local celebrity.

• Alien Sightings, Bible Verses & Book of Enoch: [65:49–74:44]
  Entertaining back-and-forth about UFOs, spiritual meaning, and ancient texts.

• The Comments Section & “Post and Ghost”: [123:50–125:13]
  The band and Rogan agree: engage with trolls at your own peril.

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Closing

The episode wraps with a lighthearted discussion of live music, surreal meetings with celebrities, fitness, and optimism for the future. Joe urges them to keep making music that connects, reiterates the value of unity, and thanks them for their authenticity and creativity.

"Music is one of the few things that unites us. All backgrounds, just love a good song… It's universal."
– Joe Rogan [125:27]

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Red Clay Strays New Single

• "People Hating" out October 3rd, 2025

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For listeners looking for real stories, Dad-joke humor, deeply personal reflections, and wide-ranging explorations of what it means to be in a band (or just a halfway decent human being) today, this is a not-to-miss episode.

Transcript

[Brandon Lane]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

[Andrew]

The Joe Rogan experience.

[Joe Rogan]

Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[Brandon Lane]

Well, I mean, we haven't done many podcasts, but we were on Theo's last year and it, you know, Theo's gets a lot of engagement, a lot of views. Ours didn't do too well. I think Bertcast did all right. I.

[Joe Rogan]

You got not pay attention.

[Brandon Lane]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't not pay attention. Don't pay attention to numbers. Don't pay attention to. Don't read the comments.

[Andrew]

That's where I messed up. I got called a lesbian so many times.

[Joe Rogan]

Mustache.

[Andrew]

He's like, he looks like Matthew McConaughey.

[Joe Rogan]

It might be the chain, maybe. That. That looks very lesbian esque.

[Andrew]

Thank you, my sister in law.

[Joe Rogan]

Not a bad one. It's not bad. It's. Nothing wrong with being a lesbian.

[Andrew]

No, nothing's wrong with being a lesbian. I'm just a heterosexual male, that's all.

[Joe Rogan]

With a wonderful mustache.

[Brandon Lane]

I went back to the comments last night and.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, don't do that.

[Brandon Lane]

And somebody was like, Andrew, come on, man. Don't sit with your legs crossed. That was just the latest one.

[Andrew]

Why is it always me getting picked on?

[Joe Rogan]

Did you sit with your legs crossed in the typical liberal fashion? I mean, like the Gavin Newsom style.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. You can't chill.

[Andrew]

I was.

[Brandon Lane]

I mean, you got a little bit.

[Joe Rogan]

Of a gap there. The thing is, if you get the real the. The deep scissor. The deep scissor is like signaling.

[Andrew]

The trick is you gotta. You gotta scoop then.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You gotta get your stuff out the way.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I don't know. Doesn't. Doesn't seem comfortable.

[Andrew]

I've been doing it for a long time.

[Joe Rogan]

So are you. You guys are. You were telling me you're kind of burnt right now. So you guys are fully on the road right now.

[Brandon Lane]

Oh, yeah. I say that and then. And then the next moment I'm walking around, I was like, dang, this is fun. But. Yeah, but usually about this time of the year where we have a couple more months left, it's like, man, we're almost done. Get to be home for a while. More than two days at a time.

[Joe Rogan]

How long have you guys been on the road for?

[Brandon Lane]

To this year or just in general?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, all.

[Brandon Lane]

All told, we started touring in anders Acadia in 2018.

[Joe Rogan]

And has it been flat out since then?

[Brandon Lane]

Pretty much. I mean, we just little breaks. Yeah, we. I mean, we'd break in December for Christmas and. But it's gotten better this year. We started touring In July, which was good because we usually start. We would usually start in April.

[Joe Rogan]

When did you end?

[Brandon Lane]

We end in December.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, okay. That's not too bad.

[Brandon Lane]

No.

[Andrew]

Well, this last year, we started in March with Canada.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, Canada. But that was like, a month. That didn't really count.

[Joe Rogan]

How long have you guys been together?

[Brandon Lane]

All told, we got. So Red Clay Strays got together in December 2016, but before that, Drew was the manager of a cover band, and Andrew was the bass player and the COVID band. And what were you guys covering?

[Andrew]

Everything.

[Brandon Lane]

The good stuff.

[Drew]

Yeah. Just blues. Just, like, really bad blues.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

We used to run people out in country.

[Joe Rogan]

And how did you guys all get together?

[Brandon Lane]

I met Drew through a mutual friend. We were working out in the gym together. I was in high school, and Drew, this guy was like, hey, man, I got a buddy. He's kind of. He's kind of down on his luck. He's, like, squatting in my dorm, and I want to give him something to do. I want to give him something to do.

[Drew]

I think I was down on that. Down on my luck.

[Joe Rogan]

Nobody ever does, man. Nobody ever does.

[Brandon Lane]

I'm just repeating what I heard. And. Yeah. So Drew had never done anything like that. He had never booked or was. He was trying to be a middle school teacher, football coach. That's what he was going to college for. And why?

[Drew]

Middle school, high school, college. That's what. That was the goal.

[Brandon Lane]

I know.

[Andrew]

But realistically, never had it.

[Drew]

That's just where I was going to land. 10, 4.

[Brandon Lane]

Never done anything in the business, though. And he just, like, what did you say? He's like, I'm going to. I'm going to do everything I can to help you make it. And I was, like, 18. He was, like, 22, 23. And he had us playing in every single bar on the Gulf Coast. And we didn't know anything about the business either. So the. The manager booking agent fee is, you know, 15%. We didn't know about that. So we cut him in evenly.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, boy.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. And so he'd show up and drink beer at our shows, and he'd always be at our practices, and he was fully committed, and so he got an even cut, and he ended up turning his life around, and he was able to scoot around and buy burgers and not be down on your luck anymore.

[Drew]

Hallelujah.

[Brandon Lane]

I think that's impressive. Never done anything like that. And you stepped up and became a legitimate booking agent and legitimate manager.

[Drew]

Yeah. I mean, I just saw something I knew that was incredible, and I was like, all right, well, what do I need to do to get this guy in front of people? And I just. I would sit in, like, I work for the equipment staff at South Alabama, and I would sit in the equipment room between washing jock straps and, like, you know, setting up cone drills or whatever and just like, put post it notes up on the wall and just write numbers down and just call these people until, like, somebody picked up or like, hey, like, what's the email for booking or whatever. And I'd just book as much as I could.

[Joe Rogan]

So it was basically just learning on the job, trying to figure it out as you go. No experience in it whatsoever now. Wow, that's a cool story.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it was all just based on your talent. No, it was what you saw, right? It was.

[Brandon Lane]

Well, yeah, that night. That night you met. The night. The night we met. The night I met you. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Drew]

I mean, like, the first time I heard you on a cell phone recording, I was like.

[Andrew]

He'S okay.

[Drew]

And then I heard him in person and I was like, oh, my God. All right, what. Okay, what needs to happen here? And, yeah, I had no idea. I was just fully winging it, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow, those are the best stories, though.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, the best stories are not started in some fucking boardroom somewhere where a bunch of guys sit down with headshots and demos and try to put people together. The best stories happen. Just kind of like, what. What were you doing? Post it notes. You just called people like, those are the best stories.

[Brandon Lane]

We didn't even know how to set up music equip. Like, we would have our main set up behind us, and so the microphones would be feeding back into the mains. We didn't know what we were doing. We just knew we wanted to play music. So we'd show up to these bars and most of the time run people out and clear the room out. Because we didn't know how to play music that well either. Guitar amps turned up and we would show up and just ruin people's evening and clear out a bar. They're trying to watch a football game, and we show up playing Allman Brothers and just. Our guitar players just always crank their amps. We did have an old man drummer, though. That was the only thing about that band before Red Clay Strays. So that was. You didn't have to worry about the drums being too loud, I guess, because he was just doing his thing. He ended up quitting when we started traveling more, and that's when we started holding auditions and we were going to audition this one guy and he flaked. He couldn't make the audition. We rescheduled him and he couldn't make the audition again. And then we were like, how did we get in touch with John? When did we audition him?

[Drew]

There's a Ethan who was in Papa's Medicine Cabinet.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Drew]

I reached out to him. I was like, man, I know you play drums. That was the best band in town at the time. I was like, I know you play drums. You probably know a good bit of drummers. Like, you know anybody who could use some work. And he, John was playing in a band called Ryan Dyer Band back home. And he said, john just. They just separated from that band. So John's available. You should get him for a tryout. And I was like, hey, dude, you want to come play with us? Or whatever. And he showed up. Blair and Skinner, dinner with him and his brother and like an SUV or something.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Drew]

This is gonna work.

[Brandon Lane]

We had the auditions in Citronel, Alabama which is like up in the sticks and he didn't have a phone, so he's like, meet me at the Hardee's at like, you know, 6:30 or whatever time it was because we couldn't call him once he left his house. And so Andrew left. You were driving the Firebird at the time you left him, the Firebird and met him and brought him back. And we auditioned him then and the audition went great. He showed up with his brother who played piano. And his brother wasn't trying to join the band, but his brother just played with us. And just the first song we played, we tried them out with an original that we were working on, which was a terrible song also. But Andrew and John locked in immediately and just. They hit all the pauses together. And I just remember still being blown away by that, just how quickly y' all locked in. And, and it still shows today on stage. Their, their chemistry, they're just, they've got some kind of telekinetic thing going on, I think because they, the big thing.

[Andrew]

Was coming from that old man drummer. And then that's the first time I've ever played with like a real drummer besides my own dad.

[Brandon Lane]

His name was Ray.

[Andrew]

And me and John, I mean we can, we. It's really weird how when we first started, like we can, we know a lot. When we played in those bars, it was improvised. You know, we're playing covers, we're not even playing them the right way. And we can hit those pauses without looking at each other. Like we just know what each other's going to do. So as a bass player, your drummer is your best friend. Even though we're. Me and John probably butt heads more than anybody in the band. But that's the relationship that is a.

[Joe Rogan]

Big part of the problem with the band is that you guys just get on each other's nerves. Right?

[Andrew]

I mean, just like any other. I mean, we're just like brothers.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a group of guys and you're traveling all year round, you'll get pissed.

[Andrew]

Off at each other for sure. If a band says they're not, they don't get pissed off. They're lying or they just don't like each other for real. But you just. We just. Something we actually learned as men, where it was how to talk about your feelings with each other, too. Because in the early stages, it was, you know, I had anger issues. I'd just get pissed off real quick.

[Joe Rogan]

Was it about the mustache?

[Andrew]

No, I didn't have the mustache yet. Maybe that's what it was. I was immature. I was in.

[Brandon Lane]

You had long hair.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

These guys had to learn how to communicate and set boundaries.

[Andrew]

And I didn't talk about my feelings growing up as a kid. Supposedly, that's not healthy.

[Joe Rogan]

No, that's not good.

[Andrew]

But John, you know, he would show up hammered to the bus, and I just had to learn to just bite my tongue. Like, you're not gonna change somebody's mind. Just let him go and talk about it tomorrow. But we all had things we worked on together, stuff like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's. The final product's amazing. The new album is really good. It's coming out in June of next year. Is that when it's supposed to come out?

[Brandon Lane]

We're shooting for summer of next year. We don't really know yet because the.

[Joe Rogan]

Press thing that I got said June of next year. I'm like, this should go out now.

[Andrew]

You're probably the only one that's supposed to know that.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really? Well, everybody knows now.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. But, I mean, we're still working on mixes. Hopefully. Hopefully, June is going to be the ticket.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's really good. And the final product, you guys are very unique. You have a very unique sound, and it's very fun.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's, you know, I know it's got to be a lot of work. Whenever I do shows and I show up at a place and, you know, like, if I do an arena, it's just me and my friends. We just have to roll in there and. Hi.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And I see you guys, you got trucks and this, that. And there's so many fucking people involved, and it's.

[Brandon Lane]

Oh, yeah. Whoo.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a lot. There's a lot of moving pieces to keep together. So for you guys to consistently do it and to bang out amazing music over and over and over again. It says something.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, man. And it. We just had to grow together. I mean, even at that rehearsal, we were like, we got one more rehearsal. We got one more tryout with the guy who flaked out on us. And John was like, who is it? I was like, travis Patch. And he was like, oh, you're gonna hire Travis Patch? But I think Travis Pats. He couldn't make the next tryout two or something. Yeah. And then that band played for a couple more months and broke up. And then we hired Zach and just tried out Zach immediately. He just came in shredding. And he was always a great guitar player. And then that's when we became Red Clay Strays.

[Joe Rogan]

Who came up with a name?

[Andrew]

My brother.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Andrew]

Yeah. It's not an interesting story at all. We get asked all the time now. We were at a. Just in that first stage of, like, coming up with a band name is the hardest thing in the world. And we had nothing really, that we liked. We had the. The Dirt Leg Trio, Brandon Lane and the Hurricane.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, that's my middle name. Brandon Lane.

[Andrew]

And then he shot that over.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. And I didn't like Red Clay Straighz. I don't think any of us did.

[Joe Rogan]

Brandon Lane in the Hurricane sounds good too.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Andrew]

We're only.

[Joe Rogan]

I might have voted on that.

[Andrew]

Then Drew came up with that one.

[Joe Rogan]

I like that. But Red Clay's Dreise is great too. Yeah, that's good. You have two great ones to choose from.

[Brandon Lane]

If I need to start another band, I have it in the chamber.

[Joe Rogan]

God. Hopefully not. It seems like once you got it all together and it's working, like, don't that up.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, man. I don't. I don't. I don't understand why bands break up. I don't get it.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know how they stay together, really. Yeah. I just can't imagine.

[Brandon Lane]

I've had so many. Why do you say that?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, because of the internal conflicts, because of the traveling, because of the stress, you know?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It just seems like it's very difficult. It's very difficult to manage all these different personalities and to keep everything rolling and keep all the. The people happy and make sure that everybody feels appreciated and everybody feels like they're doing their part.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. I think you got to have your. Your mindset correct, man. And for us, it's a God thing. If you are just chasing worldly things, I guess, and worried about me and how I'm getting done wrong. Or how, you know, he's getting on my nerves. And that's what dictates your decisions. I can see, you know, you're gonna walk away from that because people suck, and people are always gonna fail you at the end of the day. But when you turn it into a. I'm not doing this for me. I'm doing this to fulfill my calling that God's giving me. And then it becomes a selfless thing. You know, he who is greatest among you, let him be your servant is what I. It just always pops in my head. So it's like, if I want to make this thing work, how can I serve these guys? You know, when we'd have to share a hotel room, we would all. All five of us be like, I'll sleep on the floor. No, no, you take the bed. I'll sleep on the floor. We'd have to fight over who gets the floor. You know what I mean? And then once it becomes a selfless thing instead of a selfish thing, you're not. I don't know. And when everybody shares that mindset, we're all worried about one another. I don't. I don't really see how you could break up.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's very unusual, and that sounds fantastic because that's kind of the opposite of most rock and roll bands. Like most rock and roll bands, it is all about, you know, the lead singer or the lead guitarist and who's the most famous, who gets the most chicks, and who gets the most attention.

[Brandon Lane]

Y. We don't care about it.

[Joe Rogan]

So where did that. This mindset start with you? How did you guys develop this mindset? Is that how you grew up?

[Brandon Lane]

I grew up that way, yeah. My mother used to read us the Bible as children and stuff. So we always grew up knowing about Jesus and everything. And then. So that's pretty much what led me to make the leap, I guess. You know what I mean? I never had parents that were pushing me to go to college or pushing me to do something. They were just like, have a relationship with God. That's really the only thing that I got pushed by my parents. And so I've always been blessed or cursed with kind of looking at all this as temporary, you know, what's the point in it kind of thing. You can't take any of it with you. There's nothing new under the sun. It's all chasing wind. What's the point in all this? And so that really getting into. Well, a creator created you. He created all of this, and he put you here for a Reason. Well, if that's the case, what's the reason? Okay, if this is the reason, then here I go. God, I'm going to do it. I'm going to make the leap. And I don't know how it's going to work out, but I'm just going to trust you, work hard and trust you. And that's really all we've done. There's no plan to it. We get asked quite often, how do you make it? And just work hard and trust. God, that's the only thing that I can ever think to answer with. Because the shows we've played and the doors we've walked through led to new opportunities many days, many months, many years down the road that we could have never planned. And we've just been. And then you can look back and acknowledge the stepping stones that he was placing the whole time. And even if it doesn't make sense in the moment, you know, just being able to go back and look at, like, wow, I see why that happened now. I see why we went through that. I see that's just crazy to. Crazy to go back and look at God's name.

[Joe Rogan]

That's very wise for a young person to think that way. Like, how old are you now?

[Brandon Lane]

29.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You're very young. And when you started, that's even younger. Like, to be able to think that way at an early age. There's nothing new under the sun. Like, what's my purpose? My purpose is to serve. My purpose is to do something with this gift that I've been given and to follow this path. It's very unusual. I mean, it's great. It's great. It's a great example for people.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because it is a mindset. And that mindset will serve you so much better than the other mindset.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The other mindset of chasing things is how you lead to Elvis on pills. Yeah. You know, was my favorite Elvis.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Dude, that was the fun Elvis.

[Brandon Lane]

70S Elvis. Karate.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I love the fake karate.

[Andrew]

Big Elvis.

[Joe Rogan]

All the people play along with it.

[Brandon Lane]

Would you have wanted to spar with Elvis?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brandon Lane]

Come on.

[Joe Rogan]

I would have been nice to him. Well, you had to lose. Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

He would have made you Elvis.

[Joe Rogan]

You have to lose.

[Andrew]

I want to see Elvis or Steven Seagal do some starring.

[Joe Rogan]

Steven Seagal is legit at Aikido.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, he was like the first American to. To run a dojo in Japan. Yeah, he was a legit. He was a legit Aikido practitioner. Now, the benefits and the practicality of Aikido are hotly debated. It's not really a great martial art. As a standalone martial art, it's really for samurais to fight against someone who has a sword. So if you lose your sword in combat, you have to understand how to transfer the momentum of energy that someone's attacking you with a sword. You have to be an expert at manipulating their attack and using it against them. But as a standalone martial arts, not very effective.

[Andrew]

See, I thought he had some of his videos. He was like, he just touched somebody and they would fly across the room.

[Joe Rogan]

Not really. He had videos where guys. It was demonstration, so guys would run at him with a very specific thing and he would flip them. Yeah, but he could fuck you up, you know, if you didn't know what you were doing. But the problem is if you knew what you're doing, you'd fuck him up. Yeah, you know, but he's a big guy. The thing about it is, it's just no one back then really knew what the best martial art was. So you chose one and you got really good at it. You know, that's the thing. When something truly works for you, you want people to know about it. AG1 next gen is your daily healthy drink. Just one scoop combines your multivitamin, pre and probiotic, superfoods and antioxidants into one truly simple, delicious habit. I partnered with AG1 for so long because they're committed to constantly improving. And their latest clinically studied formula features more vitamins and minerals for more comprehensive support while still maximizing absorption in the body. And I know I've talked about AG1 for a long time, but if you haven't checked it out in a while, now's the time. AG1 has a lot going on, including new flavors. Berry, citrus and tropical that'll make showing up for your health even better. You can be an athlete. You could be a gym rat, you could just be a normal person. And AG1 is going to help you feel your best. When you subscribe today, you'll get a free bottle of AG D3K2 and five AG1 travel packs with your first subscription order. Just head to drink ag1.com/Joe Rogan or click the link in the description. That's drinkag1.com Joe Rogan.

[Andrew]

And now the Dagestanis are taking over.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, that's grappling has been around forever. Yeah, of course, wrestling. But what Elvis was doing was kempo Kempo karate with Ed Parker. And it's pretty clear that he took like a some classes, you know, like Throws kicks in the air and stuff. But it wasn't very good.

[Brandon Lane]

He wasn't a black belt.

[Andrew]

Did he have a black belt?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he had like a seventh degree or some crazy.

[Andrew]

He had the Elvis black belt.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Brandon Lane]

See, I. I did martial arts in middle school. I did Shoto Khan karate and I loved it. And a part of me wants to get back into it, but there's the whole Elvis thing.

[Andrew]

He'd never really.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, this is Elvis.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

But by the way, back then, nobody knew what was legit and what was not legit. Like these thrusts like this. But they're pretending they could hit him and he doesn't feel it. One of the. My flick of this is so craz crazy. Like all this.

[Andrew]

This is just gonna be Brandon on Halloween.

[Joe Rogan]

This is nonsense.

[Brandon Lane]

Hey, dude, he was on top of the world.

[Joe Rogan]

He was. Not only was he on top of the world, he was the first guy on top of the world. That's really the important point is that he went crazy for sure. But everybody goes crazy when you get that famous. And no one had ever been that famous before.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There was no guidebook for him to follow. There was no Michael Jackson before him. There was no Prince. There was no nobody. So it's just nobody can handle that kind of fame, especially in the, you know, 1970s. Nobody.

[Brandon Lane]

What was going on blew up at 19, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. No way you're going to be normal. Good luck. And then you got an evil manager that's feeding you pills and you're all up and. Yeah, you're stuck in Vegas and he's gambling everything away.

[Brandon Lane]

Yep, that's going to be my manager. We pick on Cody. You just met him back there. So you're just gonna end up being Colonel bro one day.

[Andrew]

The snowman.

[Brandon Lane]

Now we hold each other accountable.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's good because at least now for famous people, there's a road map.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you can kind of see where the pitfalls are. You can see. Oh, that's Britney Spears road. Don't go down there. You know what I mean? Like you can see all the. The things. You know what I'm saying? Like you've seen all the different ways that you can ruin your life and get caught up in the moment. And then also the fact that you're very religious helps a lot because you don't believe the hype. Right. Like you believe in higher power. You believe in something that's bigger and greater than all of us. If you believe in that, you will not get caught in this bizarre mindset that befalls many, many stars where they think they're superior to everyone else because they get treated that way. That's the reinforcement they get everywhere they go. People are cheering when they see them. People want them to sign things and take selfies with wants a hug. And everybody wants to be your best friend. And you really start to believe because of the, the information that you're getting. Information you're getting is I'm better than everybody else. Right. And if you don't have a lot of personal insight and if you're not very objective and introspective, you will buy into that and you'll start behaving and believing like that. And then comes the pills.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, dude, I think pick yourself back up.

[Andrew]

I think that's where we benefit from like a solo act is that we have five. You have five individuals that are gonna check each other. We always say the pact will correct?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Andrew]

So if somebody acting out, you know, we might let you go for a couple days, but then you're gonna wake up and we have a come to Jesus meeting. We've done that. All of us have had that at some point in our careers together.

[Joe Rogan]

That's great. That's very good.

[Brandon Lane]

We always to just think about what you were talking about. We think we suck. So like the, the feeding into the. I'm better than everybody. Oh, I'm famous. It's like, well, it's just probably downhill from here. You know, people, they find new hobbies and new things to like, especially now, faster than ever. People's attention spans are so short nowadays. It's like, oh, yeah, we're on top right now. Yeah, but they'll, they'll forget about us.

[Joe Rogan]

I think you're much better off being heavily critical of yourself.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. Yeah, I think so too.

[Drew]

100% agree. Like, I don't never want to be content with anything I'm doing. Like, I always will have notes for myself. Like, even after we have like a solid show or something. I'm like, well, I just missed like 10 notes. And it felt like Guitar Hero in my head. You know when you and they start booing you? That's what happens in my head. Just like, get it together, man.

[Joe Rogan]

It's better that way. I mean, that's going to force you to constantly work at it, constantly try to get better. The people that believe that they're the best already, you know, where are you gonna go from there?

[Andrew]

That's exactly how we think.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. There was, there was. We get asked a lot at vip. What was the moment you knew you Made it. I'm saying I don't. I don't want to make it. What's after making it, you know? I don't want to just be there and make it.

[Joe Rogan]

Making it to me is like the film where the people hold hands and walk off in the sunset.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a crock of shit. You gotta wake up in the morning, okay, what do you want for breakfast? You know, it's like, life goes on. And this idea that there's gonna be a goal where you're gonna get to a spot someday where you could rest, that's nonsense.

[Brandon Lane]

That's when you die.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Take a day off every now and then. Nothing wrong with that. But this idea that you're gonna get to a place where, well, I made it. It's over for life. Yeah, I did it. That's all.

[Brandon Lane]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

And if you get really, really rich, you want to get really, really, really, really rich. It never ends, really. If you think like that. Yeah. If that's the thought process of you're just chasing after goals and looking for this one moment where you can say, okay, we did it. It's never happening.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, I kind of. I say that to people, too. Just from the outside looking in, you think, like, if you've never done it before, man, it'd be cool to get a song in a show. It'd be cool to get a platinum single. It'd be cool to sell out Red Rocks. And once you do it. So, okay, we did it. Nothing changed. It's like, when your birthday comes, do you feel older? You feel older? No, I feel the same with. It's here, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So, I mean, it's good to have goals, milestones. But at the end of the day, I guess the process and the thing that you were talking about, like, honoring this gift that you have, that's what it's all about. That's what it's all about. And then recognizing that you're in this very unique position and you're very fortunate. And so because of that, you owe it to this gift that you've been given, and you owe it to the people that love you, the people that come to see you to keep doing your best.

[Brandon Lane]

Well, we do stray to play on our name a little bit. I think we do stray a little bit from the industry because our fan base is a lot of sad people, a lot of depressed people, a lot of people who, you know, we're suicidal, so. And we make music for that fan base, I guess. And you're not going to hear that at, like, a country music festival on the beach.

[Joe Rogan]

How do you know that about your fans?

[Brandon Lane]

We get messages every day.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, tons.

[Brandon Lane]

We. And sometimes they email. Email our agents and stuff. We had one lady who sent us an email saying she decided to off herself, take a lot of pills, and she wanted to go to sleep listening to music. As she was laying there waiting to take the big nap, our song I'm Still Fine came on, and it kind of, you know, snapped her out of it a little bit, and she started crying and immediately regretted it and got up and called her sister and told her sister what she had just did, and they rushed her to the hospital and did whatever. At the hospital. For someone who takes a lot of pills at once and saved her life, pretty much. And she. Yeah, it was so moving. And that's what really makes it worth it for us, because touring is a lot. Touring sucks a lot of the times. And if we were just doing it to be popular, to be famous, or to be relevant, make money, I don't think that's enough to keep me going, because being on the road is very hard. What keeps us going is those stories and seeing how our music at the concert, seeing how our music affects people and helps them in a positive way. And so, I don't know. That's just where we get our fulfillment from.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you think is about your music that appeals to people that aren't feeling good?

[Brandon Lane]

A lot of it came from us not feeling good. Drew and my brother Matthew are the main writers for the band, and, you know, they just. Our song Drowning. Drew wrote that during COVID when we were driving for Uber, trying to keep the bills paid. We were. My goal was to make 100 bucks a day for Uber, and driving for Uber and Mobile, Alabama, sucks. I'd have to do, like, 12, 14 hours a day to get that 100 bucks. Yeah. And then most time spending.

[Joe Rogan]

So that was just five years ago.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. And we were locally famous at the time, so I was picking up people, and they were, oh, my God. Rick, Lace, Trace. Get in.

[Joe Rogan]

Hop in. Really?

[Drew]

I don't want to talk about it.

[Andrew]

Make sure to leave a tip.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Brandon Lane]

I picked up, like. And I was driving a Hyundai Sonata, and I had to. I picked up, like, five black dudes. They wanted to get in the Hyundai Sonata to go to the stripper club. And I was like, you can't. Like, all five of y' all can't fit in here. I can only take, like, four at the most. So they had to Leave one behind. And I had to take them like 30 minutes across town. That's what mobile is. Everything is like a 30 minute drive. And so I took them 30 minutes across town to the stripper club. There's some very interesting people at nighttime who get Ubers, just so you know.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sure.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And they probably want to talk to you sometimes.

[Brandon Lane]

The worst was people with bad boy.

[Andrew]

Oh, get in your car with bad BO and then leave it.

[Brandon Lane]

I'm like a.

[Joe Rogan]

Leave that smell in your car.

[Brandon Lane]

I'm like a germ freak.

[Joe Rogan]

So are you really?

[Brandon Lane]

Sometimes, yeah. And especially with smells, I can't get like a fresh air. I feel like I'm suffocating. And this frat guy got in my car one time and he just. He was something. And he was going to Lowe's to get like a something for a beer pong table. He's getting ready to have a frat party. And I had to drive him to Lowe's. And he hadn't smelled like, he hadn't never taken a shower. And so I was just trying not to freak out. I was just leaning like that. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I was sweating by the time he got out of the car.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Dry heaving up front, driving 100 miles an hour to get him out the car.

[Brandon Lane]

I'd pick some people up. Oh, people just put too much faith in Uber drivers. I'd pick up people from the hospital. I picked up a blind lady from the hospital. That's what they do. If they don't have any family, they'll call them, they'll get them an Uber. And I had to help this blind lady get into her house. I picked up this one guy fresh out of surgery. He couldn't walk. I had to get him in my car. And they got him a hotel, I guess. So I had to take him to the hotel and I had to carry him out of my car and get him in his bed. And I was just thinking, what if this wasn't me?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. You know, what if it was an 80 pound lady? Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. Or just somebody who didn't even care. Get out of my car. You know, that kind of blew my mind a little bit. How much faith hospitals put in Uber drivers is very sad.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, one thing I found out during COVID that it sounds so stupid that I didn't know this, but hospitals are private businesses. I used to. This is how naive I was. I was like, well, doctors, they go to universities. They do it so that they can become the best doctor. They can. And then they Work for these hospitals that are set up and so that all the people in the city have medical care and this is like part of the city services. I really believe that. I really thought that. And then I have some friends that are doctors and they would tell me, no, no, no. Not only that, you're incentivized. You're incentivized to push certain medications. You're incentivized to do surgeries that maybe people don't need. And you have to challenge your own ethics because you. You'll be talked into doing surgeries that this guy, you kind of could justify it, but really he shouldn't get it. I'm like, oh, man, really? And then, you know, I've had friends that left and started their own practices because of this. Because they tell you, like, you just at the end of the day, like, why did I go to school? Like, I thought I was going to school because I wanted to learn medicine, because I thought that would be really fascinating way to make a living and very rewarding. You're helping people that are injured, that are sick. And then he got just enlightened to like, what the business really is, and it's just about numbers.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, he got sick. Instagram reels will scare you too, with all that stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, dude, I went down a rabbit hole last night just sitting in my bed. I shouldn't have done this. It was like 9 o'. Clock. There's no reason for me to look at dick lengthening videos. What? It just popped up on Instagram, you know, and like the for you section.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, dude, stay away from that for you.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't ask for it. I don't know what happened.

[Andrew]

How many videos did you watch?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I watched a lot of them. I watched hours worth of it. It's horrific, man.

[Andrew]

Three inches of hidden penis.

[Joe Rogan]

Everybody just that, man. It's like they're. These guys are getting these things put in their dick so that the dicks are thicker. Oh, my God. See, the thing about YouTube is YouTube. You want to see some videos?

[Andrew]

Yeah, might as well.

[Joe Rogan]

We're here, so I'll pull up my history. YouTube can actually. So the thing is, this guy was like, go to my YouTube video and you can see the actual surgeries. I'm like, no way. And yeah way. So YouTube will actually show you the surgery. We can't show any of this on camera, right, Jamie? These dudes are just. Just digging. They're just digging in dicks. And. And it was just horrific. All right.

[Andrew]

You know, once you get on that dark side Of. Of Instagram. Usually it's when Brandon sends me reels. Brandon always be finding himself on that bad part. And then he sends it to me, and then I'm 30 minutes deep into feeling uncomfortable with my life.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Why isn't it showing up in my.

[Andrew]

I don't really want to up my algorithm by looking for this.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Brandon Lane]

People sign up.

[Joe Rogan]

I got a dick cancer or something. Like, the dick has to get fixed. I gotta get it fixed. This is just regular dicks that people like, I'm not happy with my dick. I wish my dick was hard all the time. And so one of the guys, like, his dick was like, 8 inches flaccid all the time because he had this fucking tube stuck in there, this fucking PVC pipe that they had stuffed into his hog.

[Brandon Lane]

And it's just.

[Joe Rogan]

And so in YouTube, because it's medical, they could show you. So the guy just drops his shorts. I'm like, no, fuck. And this guy's got this Franken penis. And with, like, by the way, he's got the head of a little dick, but the body of a giant dick. So it's like, you know, like, they. They took a guy who's, like, got a little tiny body, and they popped his head off and put it on a bodybuilder's body.

[Andrew]

How do you deal with that on a daily basis?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, this fellow seems like he was getting a play. He was in the. He was in the rainbow community. And it seemed like he was just slinging that dick all over town and quite happy that it never got soft.

[Brandon Lane]

Quite literally. Laying pipe.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, literally. Literally. Piping.

[Brandon Lane]

Do you ever.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus, Jamie.

[Brandon Lane]

It's a banana.

[Andrew]

That's a banana.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Brandon Lane]

All right. They're showing how they do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, this. What is this one? This is girth. This is a fat injection. And this guy was. He was dismissing fat injections. Like, fat injections are nonsense. All right, you need the plastic.

[Brandon Lane]

I think I would pass out.

[Andrew]

You wouldn't even need to do.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, you wouldn't need anesthesia on me. Yeah, just, I'd pass out.

[Joe Rogan]

And then one guy, they install. Oh, that's legs. Where they. They break their legs. Stretch it out. There's a guy that I've been watching. What is it? Brian the Sasquatch? Is that. That's his new Instagram. The guy was already 6ft tall, but he wanted to be 6 foot. And he's a gigantic dude, like, built like a brick house. And he got his leg stretched out like, a year and a half ago, and he still hasn't recovered.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, imagine not.

[Joe Rogan]

But your. Your mechanics Are all off. So if you were an athlete and you were used to having a legs of a six foot man and now your legs have grown six inches, like.

[Andrew]

Yeah, Your arms aren't going to be proportionate either.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he had very long arms, unusually long arms.

[Andrew]

So does it look proportionate?

[Joe Rogan]

Totally looks normal. Looks like he's just a giant dude for him. But for other people. Yeah, it looks weird. This is the guy. So this is him trying to jump ropes now. So, like he could barely walk. Oh, but look at the size of this. So he's got kind of like. This is him now.

[Brandon Lane]

His knees aren't even.

[Joe Rogan]

No, he's all messed up. Like, that's why he's gotten like knee braces on. I'm sure his knees are super confused. Like he can barely walk.

[Brandon Lane]

What are we doing to ourselves?

[Andrew]

I mean, you think eventually you would. You would get the. The strength in the right places.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, eventually. There's a guy we looked up, this one guy who did it. Remember that one guy who was running those athletic drills, but he was doing sprinting and plyometrics. Some people have to. But I don't think he gained six inches. This guy gained like half a foot. Look, they're gonna get to the point where with crispr, they're just gonna edit your genes and there's gonna be no normal looking people anymore. Like all the interesting personality quirks that you have to develop because you got a weird chin. Like all that shit's gonna go away.

[Brandon Lane]

It's getting weird, man.

[Drew]

They're trying to get rid of down syndrome.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, probably a good idea.

[Andrew]

That wouldn't be terrible.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, I mean, there's nothing wrong. It's. They're sweet people. You know, my friend Shane, he's got family members that are down syndrome and he loves them very dearly. But if you could do that and they could be normal functioning members of society, that would be a better thing.

[Brandon Lane]

Just delete that gene.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah, manipulate it.

[Joe Rogan]

They're gonna be able to do that. They're gonna be able to do a lot of things.

[Andrew]

Then we're gonna be birthing super babies. Once they like it, the things usually always seem like they start good and then they go really bad. And then we're creating superhumans in the womb.

[Joe Rogan]

We're at the cusp of some really, really wild shit with AI and with genetic engineering and China.

[Brandon Lane]

I read something where they can. Like they're trying to grow babies in an artificial womb now.

[Andrew]

See, that's where. That's where ethics gets a little Weird, because then you're playing. You're playing God, then.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's something that happens. There's communication between the mother and the child through the entire time. So are you giving birth to a fucking sociopath?

[Brandon Lane]

Y.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I mean?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because like this. This baby is not gonna get any love. No oxytocin, there's nothing from the mother. There's no bond with the mother. When the mother's stressed, the baby feels stressed.

[Brandon Lane]

Some of the mother's brain, something from their brain, like, goes into the baby 100%.

[Joe Rogan]

There's. There's a lot going. There's communication. This is why, like, the mother has to, like, be up on her nutrients, because the baby's, like, taking nutrients from the mother. And if the mother doesn't have enough, the baby is taking it from the mother. So it's like. Like an artificial womb is like you're opening the door for Satan. If you believe in that. Like, if you want a soulless, bizarrely unempathetic person, what better way?

[Brandon Lane]

Maybe that's what.

[Joe Rogan]

No connection. You know, that was one of the things that happened to the Unabomber. The Unabomber. I watched the Netflix documentary on him. And one of the things that happened to him when he was young, he had some sort of a disease where he had to be separated from his mom. And they put him in a hospital with no contact. He had no. For a prolonged period of time as a baby. No one picked him up, no one held him, no nothing for a long, long time. And then, as if that wasn't fucked up enough, they entered him into the Harvard LSD studies. And so he was in the Harvard LSD studies, and he was. They were. This was during the MK Ultra period. So the MK Ultra period. They were doing all sorts of experiments with people through the CIA. One of the things they were doing was a thing called Operation Midnight Climax, where they opened up brothels in San Francisco and they would put two way mirrors in and they would dose these johns up with lsd. So the ladies of the night were actually working for the CIA. And they would go in here, have a drink, and the guy would have a drink. And then next thing you know, he's like, wow. And they were just trying to experiment. And see, there's also a part of what the Charles Manson family was about. And they were doing all kinds of. With people where they're trying to figure out, what can we do to humans.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If we can manipulate them with lsd. And they did it to Kaczynski and we saw what happened with him and.

[Andrew]

Tuskegee, Alabama, with the syphilis back in the day.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that was even more evil.

[Andrew]

That was seeing what would kind of happen.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Well, it's still like human experimenting with. Without them knowing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Andrew]

It's a very scary situation.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it just goes back to what we were talking about with medicine, that there are people that are willing to do things to people that are just entirely evil for profit, for whatever justification.

[Brandon Lane]

They can come up with no value for human life.

[Joe Rogan]

None. None. And I think one of the problems with doctors, and my friend who's a doctor, told me this, like, you just get numb when you see too many people die. He's like, it's a very. It's a very dangerous state of mind because you just see someone, you're like, well, he's gonna die. And then you go have a sandwich.

[Brandon Lane]

We're getting numb. As a society of seeing people die.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the Charlie Kirk thing fucking opened up my eyes.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I never expected so many people would celebrate that man's murder.

[Brandon Lane]

That is evil.

[Joe Rogan]

That's bizarre. It's just bizarre. Like, normal people that I think, think they're good people, and they think. They genuinely think that guy was a bad guy. And I don't think they're right. And I think they were indoctrinated. And I don't agree with everything that Charlie Kirk said or did.

[Brandon Lane]

I don't care if he was a bad guy or not.

[Joe Rogan]

He's not a bad guy.

[Brandon Lane]

I don't want to see him. I don't want to see anybody die.

[Joe Rogan]

First of all, he's fucking your age, right?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a young guy. Right. And he would go around college campuses and have arguments with people or have discussions with people, have debates with people, but it infuriated people because they felt like this guy is going against the progress that was being made in society. But what he did not feel like was progress. Like, it was a progressive agenda that was being pushed in most college campuses. It's a leftist Marxist sort of agenda. He didn't feel like that was the correct way to live. And he felt like he had arguments against it and he wanted. And it was, you know, it's a business, too. Right. Like, he developed this big social media platform because of it. And I, you know, I don't. Like I said, I don't agree. I don't think he. Some of the things he said he should have said, but the fact that people were cheering when he died, normal people, housewives, moms, like, fucking People working at banks, people working at various industries celebrating a man getting shot in front of his kids, in front of the whole world. What the fuck is wrong with us?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, that's evil. I don't know. That kind of. I think it. It really. It made me feel extra weird too, because it was an innocent man. I'll give some leniency. You know, maybe they're doing a public execution of like a mass murderer or a child rapist, you know, something like that. But seeing an innocent man trying to have a conversation get shot in front of his kids.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

And people celebrate that. It made me feel. Made me feel a certain way.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It was not justice. But I think people are poisoned by social media. I really, really firmly believe that. I think. I think social media has people completely twisted. And I think a lot of what has people completely twisted is not even organic. I think it's all on purpose that you're being manipulated by foreign governments, by bot farms, and by various elements either in our government or other governments. And they do it for their own agenda, for their own ends. And it's dark.

[Brandon Lane]

There's a Proverbs verse. I can't remember where it's at, but it's like, he who doesn't find me harms himself. And he who loves death hates me. And that, you know, if you love God and you can't love death, you can't love somebody getting killed.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brandon Lane]

That's just. There's the line right there. There's evil and good right there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

And so there's no justification for that. And we actually. Because we've always made a point in the band to not get political. We don't care what your politics are. We just come listen to our music and come have fun at our show. We don't care. Every one of us in the band originally, we all have different views, politically and religiously in some type of way, but we managed to be brothers and, you know, be in a band together. So we. I've just gotten. And I love a good political talk, but lately I've just been so jaded from it, so. And I don't want to ever, like, divide my fan base or anything, you know, how you vote or how you believe is none of my business. We are here to entertain you. And so I'd never want to use my platform to do that. But we're just. We got so sick of seeing people put politics above humanity. We actually. We had wrote a song about it in April in the studio called People Hating, and that's. We wouldn't gonna put it out as a single. At first we were gonna do another, another song. But after the, the Charlie Kirk thing, it's just like, hey, we got together and we were like, I think we need to put people hating out instead for the first single because it's just, we've got to start. We've got to stop killing each other over beliefs and stop hating each other over beliefs, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's fucking insane.

[Brandon Lane]

Everybody's race is different, everybody's experiencing life different and everybody's trying to figure it out. The. And it's just really weird now.

[Joe Rogan]

It's really weird. And it's celebrated to hate people. And that's, that's the weird part. And most of us know that that's wrong. And that's why like when this Charlie Kirk thing happens, there's a giant blowback and most people recognize like, hey, as a, collectively, as, as a society, this is not right. Regardless of whoever that person is, whether that person's on the left or the right, they just got shot in front of the whole world. This is, it's not a thing to celebrate ever. And especially when you're seeing people on the left that are supposed to be progressives. These are supposed to be the kind, compassionate, inclusive people that are celebrating gun violence, public execution. Like, that's insane. Coaches on the sidelines dripping in sweat, hoping they called the right plays. But you're not sweating. Thanks to DraftKings, they're hooking up new customers with a no sweat bet up to $100. It's easier than calling plays in a sold out stadium. Just place any bet. If it doesn't hit, we'll give you a bonus bet back in the amount of your initial bet up to $100. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app. New customers use promo code Rogan to get a no sweat bet. That's promo code rogan only on DraftKings sportsbook. The crown is yours. Visit opgr.org or call 1-877-MY-TAIN to talk, text or chat about your own or someone else's. Gambling resources are free. Must be 21 and over and in Oregon to place wagers. Eligibility restrictions apply. No sweat bonus bet issued an amount of first losing maximum $100. Non withdrawable bonus bets expire seven days after issuance. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see sportsbook.draftkings.com promos that's a public assassination. That's insane.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, I mean you can't, you can't be for. You can't be against guns and then celebrate when someone is killed by a gun.

[Joe Rogan]

Right? Yeah. No, it doesn't make any sense. But that's. That hypocrisy is just a symptom of where we, where we find ourselves, where we're all just. So many of us are confused because of the rhetoric online. And again, a lot of that's not normal. It's not organic, it's not real, it's not real people. And it's not what you would ever get in real social circles of healthy people. Yeah, you're only getting it through this very bizarre filter of just text on social media and videos where someone's just talking to the camera, celebrating on social media. It's like, it's very strange.

[Brandon Lane]

Most of the time you walk around because we travel all over the place and most time when you walk around, stop watching the news, get off your phone and just walk around in society. Yeah, it's really, really not that bad.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not that bad. And that is the key. But most people are not going to get off their phone.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's what's fucked most people. Most people are just fully hooked on that. Damn.

[Brandon Lane]

You think it's weird now? Wait till all these, wait till all these iPhone babies grow up and all these tablet babies grow up. Yeah, I've seen the videos. I'm taking the tablets away and the babies are like freaking out, having withdrawals and stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. They're being raised with it.

[Andrew]

Our generation was probably the, the last to not have. I mean we didn't have technology growing up. We had dial up Internet and we didn't get that till I was, you.

[Brandon Lane]

Know, I didn't have a smartphone until I was 16.

[Joe Rogan]

We still have an Android.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, dude, but that's better.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, buddy, why, why are you an Android guy?

[Brandon Lane]

I've always been an Android guy. Cuz I was. I'll give you some. I was. We didn't grow up rich.

[Andrew]

So that's my argument just to play.

[Brandon Lane]

Around that yeah, we couldn't afford iPhones and neither. I really didn't care. I didn't even know what an iPhone was. I just got whatever phone I could buy text people. My dad got me the, I mean my parents got me the, you know, the little sidekick and stuff. So I've always been on the Android side. And then when I started working as a teenager, I saved up and I bought my own like smartphone from one of those cell phone shops on like in the strip mall. And it's just, it was Android I never. I never really got into the. I never cared, first of all, what phone people have. It's you guys who care. This is.

[Joe Rogan]

I have both. But it is a. It's a weird thing in our society where if a kid has an Android phone, they're looked down on.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like something like 80 plus kids have iPhones, man.

[Brandon Lane]

I was. It was after a show one time. It was after show one time, a long time ago. And I was talking to this girl. This is like way back in the day. And she's like, yeah, maybe we get your number. And then I pulled out my phone. She's like, oh, you have an Android? I just walk off. Yeah, just walked off. I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

She didn't like you anymore.

[Brandon Lane]

Green bubble. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, that's weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that weird? It's weird. It's weird, but it's like. It just shows you how easy people fall into tribes, you know, over anything.

[Brandon Lane]

What we were just talking about.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

Even down to the phone, if you have something different than somebody, they automatically don't like you when they. It can be politics. It can be the. The dang phone in your pocket.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Brandon Lane]

When the iPhone babies grow up, they're gonna be killing each other over phones.

[Andrew]

What about the Android babies?

[Brandon Lane]

We just want to be left alone, man.

[Andrew]

See this, the identity?

[Joe Rogan]

It's a Rebels phone.

[Andrew]

Rebels.

[Joe Rogan]

If you choose it. If you choose it, it's a Rebels phone. If it chooses you. It's like, one day I want to get a fucking iPhone. I get out of this job, I'm gonna get a real job, and I'm gonna get an iPhone. But the people that choose it, they're the rebels.

[Andrew]

I'm glad I married an iPhone user, I'll tell you that. I'm glad my wife has an iPhone and we can send cool emojis.

[Brandon Lane]

See, you say that I married an iPhone user and I don't care if she has an iPhone. You're glad that you married an iPhone user. I don't care that I married an iPhone user. I love her anyway.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel like you're trying to be superior over him now.

[Andrew]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

By virtue of calling.

[Andrew]

Brandon's just like calling out your superiority.

[Joe Rogan]

He's being superior.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

Just can't win with these people.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Now he's playing. Now he's playing victim.

[Brandon Lane]

He wants to say it's an American company, but they're made in China.

[Andrew]

Well, the owner, Tim. What's his name? He is from. He is from where we Are from. I'm supporting a local now. Has he ever put an Apple store in Mobile, Alabama? Absolutely not. Do we deserve one? Probably not.

[Brandon Lane]

It'll get robbed, dude.

[Andrew]

Maybe the phone. The phone should be made in America one day. Yeah, but American company.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, if they made it. I always said that if they made an American phone that had like a little American flag on the back, but it cost $200 more, I would buy it.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, me too.

[Andrew]

Who do you think is going to make it?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it would have to be a company that start. The problem is the. The goal of doing that is a long goal. Like, you would have to develop the chips. You'd have to have a plant like Samsung tried to put in a. They were putting a microchip plant in Texas and they had giant issues because they weren't getting enough. Like. So all of them don't meet their standards, you know, and a certain percentage of them weren't. And it was a much lower standard than they needed. And so it didn't work out. It's like. And you're spending billions and billions of dollars to find out that you can't do it. So in China, they've got that shit perfected. They've been doing it for so long because we've relied on them for so long.

[Andrew]

Don't they have their own phone as well?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they have a lot of phones.

[Andrew]

I don't forgot what it's called. They have a special Chinese phone.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, Huawei, because they were banned here, so Google and Apple wouldn't let them use their operating systems because it's basically a spy device. But guess what? So are all of them. If you're hanging around with me, your fucking phone's bugged.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's always been something that does not bother me personally. I don't have anything to hide.

[Brandon Lane]

First of all, what about your dm?

[Joe Rogan]

It's not like the problem is what.

[Brandon Lane]

We send each other.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the problem is not you having something to hide. The problem is no one should have access to your private information. Whether or not it's. It's, you know, bad. That shouldn't mean anything. No one should have access.

[Andrew]

No, they should not.

[Joe Rogan]

Because it's an individual. No individual should be able to look at your. Your phone. You can't look at theirs. It's. It's a power thing, control.

[Andrew]

But you can guarantee the government's got everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's not just the government. It's other foreign governments, especially if you're a controversial person. Like foreign governments. There's a thing called Pegasus, too. All they need is your phone number. That's all they need. So if you're not using encrypted apps, all they need is your phone number. And even if you are using encrypted apps, the government can get into those. You know, when Tucker Carlson was trying to interview Putin, the government contacted him and said, we know you're trying to interview Putin. We were looking into your signature signal app. And he's like, what? Wow, you can read my signal app? Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

So it's just like the government saying, back off, China. Spying on Americans is our job.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, because of the Patriot act and because of a lot of other things that they've passed in this country, a lot of it's legal. They're allowed to. They're allowed to spy on you.

[Andrew]

I think they would. Can make it illegal and we still wouldn't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it probably would be illegal, but it wouldn't matter. They would find some sort of a fucking loophole and. Or they would pass some bill. They'd stick it in some farm bill, something we think like, oh, this is good. We're gonna help the farmers. And you look in there like, hey, what's this doing in there?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, there's some. Some stuff in the. In the big beautiful bill where it's like they were trying to sell some national park land or something.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, yes. They were trying to sell public land. It was a part of the big beautiful bill. Yeah. I was one of the people that was trying very hard to try to get that out of there.

[Brandon Lane]

I remember that.

[Joe Rogan]

It's fucking sick.

[Brandon Lane]

I thought that was illegal, legal.

[Joe Rogan]

It should be.

[Andrew]

Foreign countries.

[Joe Rogan]

It should be. They're trying to change laws. That's the thing. Like, foreign countries owning land around military bases. That's crazy.

[Brandon Lane]

That's weird, too.

[Andrew]

Where was. Yeah, why is that happening?

[Joe Rogan]

You can't do that in China. Meanwhile, China owns land around military bases. Yeah. There's a lot of stupidity with our freedom, but that doesn't mean the government should be spying on you. The thing is, in other countries, they just are. Like in China, they just are. And, you know, and the argument is, if we want to compete with China, we have to do what they're doing, which I think is insane.

[Andrew]

Aren't they about to start or. They already have the social point system.

[Joe Rogan]

Social credit score.

[Andrew]

Yeah, social credit score.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah. So if you jaywalk and they get a photo of your face. So they have biometrics. They get a photo of your face, they know it's you. Your thing gets ding. Now you can't buy a plane ticket.

[Brandon Lane]

Black mirror stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, it's just like that. Well, they're passing that in the UK right now. In the uk Digital ID to combat ready for it. Illegal immigration. Well, motherfucker, you let the illegal immigrants in on purpose. Like you guys knew what you were doing and now you're using it as a justification for digital id.

[Andrew]

I just watched one this morning actually. About. It was a British judge, a guy got sentenced.

[Joe Rogan]

I saw that. Yeah.

[Andrew]

For however many years, for 20 months.

[Joe Rogan]

Social media.

[Andrew]

For a social media post. It was about immigration.

[Joe Rogan]

It's complaining about immigration.

[Andrew]

It's wild.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's wild. It's crazy. And you know, it's the best way to control people, you know, and keep them at each other's throats, like bring in a bunch of people that the people that live there don't want there and let them duke it out and then start instituting tighter and tighter restrictions and control.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. See, I see all that happening and it always makes me wonder, I wonder how it's going to go down here because we are the different ones with the, with the guns and stuff. I wonder how far it's going to go here before something happens, something pops off.

[Joe Rogan]

They're gonna try. Yeah, you know that they're gonna try and they're gonna keep trying. They're gonna continue to try and they're gonna try to sneak it in. And if it's not for independent journalists that call that shit out, we would be in real trouble. It would have already happened. It would already happen. They would have put it. They were trying to institute a vaccine passport, and the vaccine passport would be attached to a digital ID so that you would know, but that digital ID would then be transferred to a social credit score. And, and then they wanted to do a carbon tax, so they want to do a thing that tracks your carbon so it tracks how many miles you drive, tracks your purchases, so it tracks how much carbon you're com. Your com. You're contributing to the environment. It's. It's crazy.

[Brandon Lane]

And somehow paying more money will. Will stop that.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, that's what we need to do. You just need to tax people more. Yeah, tax people more. And it's all going to come and make normal in the end. It'll be perfect.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Utopia idea.

[Brandon Lane]

Farmer with cows. You got to pay taxes on those cows because they're farting.

[Andrew]

Because they're farting.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, how about in other countries? They're killing cows. They're. They're forcing them to kill cows. Because these cows are producing too much methane. So they're saying you have to kill 2,000 cows. A thousand.

[Andrew]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So they control your food. That's exactly what it is.

[Brandon Lane]

I remember when all those. Those chicken farms or chicken houses burnt down a couple years ago. Yeah, that was really weird, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's real weird. But the chicken. Chicken houses do burn down. What's also weird is they. They had to kill a bunch of chickens because some of these chickens had bird flu.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Well, people's livestock, Brandon popping up dead too. Bunch of cattle.

[Brandon Lane]

There was a couple years ago, this one farmer posted a video like all his cattle were just dead in the.

[Andrew]

In the field.

[Brandon Lane]

In the field. And they said it was because of the heat or something, but this farmer had just tons of dead cows. Just all of a sudden it was going on the same time as the chicken houses burning down. So it could have just been, you know, news adding on to news kind of thing. This is what's in right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe it's aliens.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, maybe so.

[Joe Rogan]

Cattle mutilations.

[Brandon Lane]

Well, the alien thing is. The alien thing is just another interesting topic. Like, you see, I'll get random. There's random times where people are seeing all these crazy things in the sky and it's like a big deal for a few days and then you don't really talk about it anymore. Did you see the. That one thing that lady was filming? She was like, hi. Do you know Jesus? And the wheels were like going crazy.

[Andrew]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

What is that?

[Brandon Lane]

It's like a.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also hard to know what's real.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. See, and the interesting thing about that, though, it is that somebody in the Bible described seeing something. One of the angels or something.

[Joe Rogan]

Ezekiel.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. And the wheels within a wheel, that's what this thing was. And she said, do you know Jesus? And then the wheels would just start spinning really, really fast. And I was like, whoa, man, I hope that's real. That's pretty cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, man. Is this it?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That looks like a rock him.

[Brandon Lane]

But my fingers don't work.

[Joe Rogan]

She zooms in on orb and speaks to it. Sorry, guys. She says, Jesus loves me. She's definitely have an Android.

[Andrew]

Look how she is.

[Brandon Lane]

It's going to.

[Andrew]

It's going to turn into the moon.

[Joe Rogan]

Here in a second.

[Andrew]

Watch.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's the thing. If you zoom in on stuff, especially stuff through the atmosphere, things look very blurry. Like if you zoom in on stars, they totally look like there's some sort of a spaceship.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. See how it's a Star, she said when she says, do you know Jesus? It starts, like, starts moving. I think it's towards the end, but, yeah, you get the idea. It's just.

[Andrew]

That looks like. Kind of looks like a weather balloon. Maybe it's one of them Chinese spy balloons.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, play that. Let me hear her say it. Jesus loves me.

[Brandon Lane]

Look, look, look, look, look. Oh, you know Jesus. You know Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

You know Jesus. Jesus is awesome, isn't he?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, Jesus rocked. But if that is real, dude, and that random lady just filming that, well.

[Joe Rogan]

That is the weirdness of the people that think that they can call these things in. So there's a group of people that supposedly successfully, they sit out and they have this intention. They go out into the desert in a clear night sky, and they have this intention to call these things in. And they're all silently calling these things in. And apparently it's effective occasionally. I don't know how often, but it's not zero. Sometimes these things show up.

[Brandon Lane]

Who's that guy? He was on Shawn Ryan. He's an old man. Chris something. But he. People, like celebrities go out to his. His land and he's like, I can call these things on command. They'll show up and people go out to see it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I don't know about all that.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, it's hard. You should go to.

[Andrew]

You should go investigate.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't want to.

[Andrew]

People will trust what you say.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but the problem is I don't know what I'm seeing.

[Brandon Lane]

Well, don't tell anybody. Just go for yourself.

[Joe Rogan]

The thing is, like, you don't know what you're seeing. It could be a. It could be a drone. It could be anything. Yeah, it could be starlink.

[Brandon Lane]

This guy.

[Andrew]

You have to pay to go do it.

[Joe Rogan]

It. That's a good question.

[Brandon Lane]

I can't remember that guy's name's driving me crazy. But, yeah, he. He wrote a book called UFOs of God. And I started listening to it, and I'm just terrible about reading books and stuff, so I got like the first three chapters in, but it was really interesting. He's worked with. He's. NASA showed up at his house. Here it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Chris Bledsoe.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, I watched his. Sean Ryan, I think the guy's name is. I watched his podcast. It was an interesting lesson.

[Joe Rogan]

And so this guy, what does he think these things are?

[Brandon Lane]

They're related with God somehow.

[Joe Rogan]

This is what Tucker believes.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, I believe it too.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of people believe that these things are not from another world, that they've always been here. And They're a part of our world that just don't show themselves to us. Does this guy have videos of these things? Watch this with an open heart. Okay, show me what you got. Okay. Something moving.

[Drew]

Oh, there's a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. What the is that?

[Brandon Lane]

I think you should go out there and take him out. Just don't tell anybody.

[Joe Rogan]

That could be bugs.

[Brandon Lane]

I see that if I look up in the sky in Austin all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but that thing moving across the sky, that is odd.

[Brandon Lane]

That's different.

[Joe Rogan]

That thing's very odd because that's clearly moving.

[Andrew]

It's. I mean, you see flashes.

[Joe Rogan]

But the thing is, it's like you're zooming in, right? So you get distortion, Right. So you don't know. And they see it's going behind the cloud, that you don't know what that is.

[Andrew]

Have you ever seen that space station fly over?

[Joe Rogan]

How have you seen the space station fly over?

[Andrew]

Yeah, I've seen it pictures of it before.

[Joe Rogan]

Does it look like that?

[Brandon Lane]

So. Yeah, it's really slow.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's just a tiny.

[Brandon Lane]

It's usually just one, though.

[Andrew]

Well, the rest of those.

[Joe Rogan]

That's.

[Andrew]

The rest of that stuff kind of probably bugs.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that looks like bugs.

[Andrew]

Backyard.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the problem, is it? Like, if you're zooming in on this thing, the stuff that flies in between that looks like it's moving really fast and flying across incredible space. Yeah, that easily. Could be bugs.

[Brandon Lane]

Especially if you're really.

[Joe Rogan]

But maybe not. That's the problem.

[Andrew]

Interdimensional angelic beings things.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that what he's calling them?

[Andrew]

That's what it says.

[Brandon Lane]

There's more.

[Joe Rogan]

I like to see some documentation.

[Andrew]

My dad was here.

[Joe Rogan]

Go out there, dude. Wait till the end. What happens in the end?

[Brandon Lane]

It goes behind the cloud.

[Andrew]

Oh, they simply come when I. When we ask in prayer. Countless others were healed too.

[Brandon Lane]

Joe, just go out there and see it and don't tell anybody.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't want to waste my time. I feel like. Like if they want to show themselves, they should just go ahead and do it.

[Brandon Lane]

I think they will eventually. Maybe. If it's going to happen.

[Andrew]

Maybe a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe if things get real messy here.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah, we'll find out.

[Brandon Lane]

Isn't there verses about there will be signs in the sky? I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's a lot of verses about the sky and about. I've been in the. Into the Book of Enoch over the last couple years.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, I was wanting to pull that up. I was wanting to talk about that.

[Joe Rogan]

So Rep Lima came in Here. And she was explaining to me the Book of Enoch, and I never really got into it. She's like. Like, you know, it could have been included in the Bible and it was a part of the. The Dead Sea Scrolls.

[Brandon Lane]

But the first half was right.

[Joe Rogan]

The. Well, the Book of Enoch is in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The whole book, yeah. And the. At least part. It's. The problem with the book of the Dead Sea Scrolls, rather, is a lot of it is deteriorated and missing chunks and stuff. But the Book of Isaiah is in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it is identical word for word. Wes Huff was explaining that to a version of it that was a thousand years older, which was the most recent version before they found the Dead Sea scrolls in the 1940s, which is wild.

[Brandon Lane]

That's the book that God predicts his own coming to Earth and his own death and all that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the Book of Enoch is the one that predicts that. This is what talks about the watchers in the sky and that these gods, humans and created the Nephilim. That is bizarre. I've listened. Listened to it twice now, and I keep going back over it and just rewinding and going, what are they saying? Like, what. What were they trying to describe? Because this sounds completely insane when you.

[Brandon Lane]

Get into, like, the. Because isn't there, like, Egyptian stuff where there's, like, men coming down from space and, like, Stargates?

[Joe Rogan]

There's all sorts of weird shit that.

[Brandon Lane]

To me is just like fallen angels. You know, it's all kind of lining up in some kind of way or another. These. These whatever rebelled against God and came down here. Men from the sky came down here and were pretty much posing as gods and demanding people worship them. And isn't Enoch where they teach them about money and teach them about sorcery?

[Joe Rogan]

Sorcery, yeah, sorcery and agriculture and metallurgy. There's all sorts of, like, weird. They talk about incantations and then, like, how to get out of incantations. If one gets put on you, it's like.

[Brandon Lane]

And you got to think this is pre Jesus and so God is separated from man. So we're just walking around as people, like, not knowing what's going on. And these things come down and they're boring giants and stuff. It's like, you know, I'd probably think it's a God too, for God's sakes, you know, because there wasn't. Was the Jews even a thing when the Book of Enoch was written?

[Joe Rogan]

Sure, yeah. It was God's chosen people, the people that argued over Whether or not the book of Enoch should be included in the canon were rabbis. Yeah, it's all so confusing.

[Andrew]

Is there any explanation of why it would be left out?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they felt like it didn't jive with the Torah. I think that's the reason why it was left out.

[Brandon Lane]

Well, I mean, when I say that, like, at one point, the Jews were God's chosen people. They knew the God, the I am the one true God. But the rest of the world didn't really know what was going on. And so they were worshiping other gods. And so, like, aside from the Jews, the rest of humanity seeing these things walking around, it's like, I'm sure they would think that's a God, you know, I'm sure they would worship that. What else do they have to believe?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, if something did come and visit ancient humans, I'm in the middle of this Richard Dolan book, and it's a very interesting book on UFOs, and Richard Dolan, who's very like, objective, scientifically minded author, one of the things he's talking about is this gene expression. It's a D allele that started this gene. It was introduced through breeding. So one of the things that we know is that it came into the human population somewhere around 40,000 years ago and that this. All geneticists agree that this was introduced through cross breeding. So the idea was, was it introduced by Neanderthals? Was it introduced by Denisovans? Like, what, what type of human? Well, the problem is they don't find that gene expression in any other ancient human. Like, they don't find it. Neanderthals, they don't find it, but they do find it in Asia, like in Mongolia, most people have it. The rest of the world, it's like 70% of the people have it. And they think it's responsible for creativity. They think it's responsible for this giant change in the artwork that people start producing around 40,000 years ago. And his assertion or his question, the hypothesis is that it was introduced by some other species. And this is also part of what is talked about, not just in the Book of Enoch, but also in the Sumerian text. They talk about what happened that created human beings. And so what he's talking about is this one woman that was an academic, I forget her name, but she wrote these books about it where she believes that human beings are some sort of a hybrid species and that we were genetically manipulated to be what we are now.

[Brandon Lane]

And I think going back to the flood, because apparently, like every other religion has some Type of evidence of a great flood. Correct. So at one point or another, if God's creation did get corrupt.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brandon Lane]

That was pretty much the great reset of I've got to. He had to get rid of all that that he didn't create. And I forgot where I was going with that. But.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, they do all have a flood myth. And now, now because of the younger Dryas impact theory, we know that there most likely was massive floods all over the earth somewhere around 11,800 years ago.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. And I just think about stuff like that when they find this skull that they can't link anything to or find stuff that doesn't they can't link anything to. It's like we don't really know what happened a long time ago. We can pretend that we did. But I personally believe there was an advanced civilization way back in the day before all that.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of evidence that points to that.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's also new evidence that just emerged out of China. They found a Homo sapien skull that's 1 million years old.

[Andrew]

Well, it's China.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but it doesn't matter. It's still. It's like it's an actual Homo sapiens skull that was carbon dated to a million years old. So that predates what we thought of as the emergence of homo sapiens by 500,000 years.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's just what we found. Right. They might find another one six months from now that's 2 million years old. So, like, they don't really know. We're piecing things together. We're piecing the past together with a very limited amount of information, very limited evidence and evidence of fossils. It's very difficult to make a fossil. Most fossils, they just don't. They don't happen. The animals eat the bones, the bones deteriorate in the sun. Like there's a very specific set of circumstances that has to happen for something to be fossilized.

[Brandon Lane]

Haven't they found some fossils with like grass still in their mouths? And so they were wondering how could they found some type of evidence of fossils where it seems like this animal was fossilized instantly?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. Well, not even fossilized, just preserved instantly. Like this is woolly mammoths. There's quite a few of them. Yeah. They think a lot of that was what happened during the impact. So Randall Carlson talks about this quite a bit. There's. There's multiple places on Earth where there's a large number of animals that seem to have died instantaneously and weirdly, like with broken legs, like Broken mammoth legs, string, like, over, like a large field of them, Thousands of them there. Like what happened? Like some sort of an event must have happened where they were wiped out out, or the ones that were in this area were wiped out instantaneously. And he thinks it's probably some sort of a collision, like a.

[Andrew]

Well, it's a mass casualty of some sort.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I mean, what else can cause that?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, not only that 65%, something like that of all North American megafauna died off at the exact same time. All of it, around that. That same younger Dryas impact theory time between 11,800 years ago and 10,000 years ago. Everything. Woolly mammoth, African lion, African cheetah. There was all sorts of sorts of giant sloths, all sorts of weird animals that all died off in America around the exact same time that they think this flood happened. And it used to be just complete speculation, but now they find core samples. Whether they're finding iridium, that indicates iridium is very common in space and very rare on Earth. So when they find a layer of iridium, it indicates there's some sort of an impact. Of course. Interesting wild shit, man, because. Because it could happen to us at any moment. You know, there's this guy, Avi Loeb, who's a professor out of Harvard, who is saying that some of these objects that we're seeing in space, they're moving in very bizarre ways. They're enormous. They have much more mass and much more speed. They're interstellar objects, and he's speculating whether or not they're alien.

[Andrew]

We got one passing by pretty soon. Right. I've been following that one a little bit.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, this is one of the ones he's talking about.

[Andrew]

They think it's a spaceship ship.

[Joe Rogan]

They think it's something, you know, whatever.

[Andrew]

It is, for it to come outside of our solar system on this path is just very bizarre.

[Joe Rogan]

Very bizarre. But other astronomers say, yeah, but it just might be unique. Like, there's. There's a lot of stuff in space they're finding through the James Webb telescope that they didn't understand that. So they had this idea of the universe being 13.7 or whatever it is, billion years old. But now they're finding these galaxies that were formed far too quickly, like after the Big Bang. And so now they're starting to say, well, this might be an indication that it's quite a bit older and that maybe it's not 13. Maybe the big bang is not 13.7 billion years, but that's just as far back as we can look. And as they get better and better equipment and better and better ways of looking, they'll be able to find more evidence and more information that gives them more questions and less answers. It's really weird. It's like there's a quote by Dennis McKenna and he said that once the bonfire of knowledge expands, the surface layer of ignorance is exposed. More of a surface layer. So the more you see and the more you learn, the more you realize, oh, I don't know shit. That's what they're kind of finding out about space. It's like they know a lot, but they don't. They don't know a lot in comparison to what's out there.

[Andrew]

More questions pop up than answers.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's just.

[Brandon Lane]

Wild too, how much of that we were taught in school is like fact. And then you grow up like, wait a minute, we don't, we don't really know what's going on.

[Andrew]

I didn't even know there was dwarf planets in our solar system. There's planets that aren't like regular planets, but they, I didn't learn about those.

[Drew]

I might have learned that three years ago.

[Andrew]

It's pretty wild to think that they're.

[Drew]

I'm 32.

[Andrew]

That we, that they're there and we never learned about them.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's also speculation there's something big that's outside of the Kuiper Belt. There's like some other planet that it might even be a dwarf star or what is it called? I forget what they're called. A brown dwarf, but that we might have a binary star system and the star might have died off and it's like in a. Far outside of our own sun, outside of that orbit. So there's something. There's this thing called the Kuiper Belt that's outside of Pluto and it's a belt of objects. And that's one of the reasons why Pluto got declassified as a planet because it is a little too small to be a planet. And it seems like there's a lot of these objects out there. And then they found a couple more and they're saying, okay, it's not a planet. But there seems to be a drop off after that which indicates something that is of a large mass exists.

[Andrew]

Interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's a little too far for us to be able to look at right now. So it's a lot of just speculation. What was that one paper that we looked at once that they, they had, they had documented a planet out there they were calling Planet X, but it's like the Earth.

[Andrew]

Like was it like an Earth.

[Joe Rogan]

Like they don't know what it is? I mean, this is all. This is the fucking Sumerian tech stuff too. Because they talk about this planet called Nibiru that comes within an elliptical orbit every 3,600 years and things up. And that's where the Anunnaki live. They come visit us. This is this guy, Zacharias Hitchin. It's fascinating stuff. It's so fun. It's so fun. But might be full of. In fact, there's a whole website called sitchiniswrong.com that refutes it. But I'm too dumb to know who's right and who's wrong.

[Andrew]

It's still interesting to talk about and theorize, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah. Well, the Sumerians had a detailed map of the solar system 6,000 years ago. Bizarrely, with the sun in the center and all the planets that we know of in the relative size and the relative order. Like the ones that are the right. Not exactly the right size because they're so huge, but the bigger ones are in the bigger place.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's. It shows this map of the solar system on this clay tablet from 9,000 or 6,000 years ago. Like, how did they know that?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, it goes back to the advanced civilization, man. I don't know.

[Andrew]

I just really think. Do you think?

[Brandon Lane]

I think it was a different type of advance, like not power lines and stuff like that. I think they honed into like natural energy from the Earth. Like I heard something about the pyramids may have been like some type of a power plant. Because they just found where those pillars go down in the ground so long.

[Joe Rogan]

That stuff's wild. That stuff's wild. This dude, Ben Van Kirkwyk, and they've used that same technology to find this enormous labyrinth that existed. But that was also documented historically. Herodotus talked about it and different historians have talked about it. This labyrinth that's even more impressive than the pyramids underground. And inside they've. So using this technology, they've found this 40 meter. It's 40 meter, this metallic. They don't know what kind of metal it is, but there's a metallic tic Tac shaped object that's 40 meters long at the center of this labyrinth. So they built a dam in the 1960s to help the farmers out. And the dam unfortunately up the water table. So this labyrinth is now flooded. So you can't get in it unless they do something to change the water and, you know, change how the water is channeled or build a tunnel inside of it. But the water table has made it impossible to get into it without doing that. But this thing, because of this tomography, this ground penetrating radar, they know that there's an enormous metallic object from thousands and thousands of years ago that's 40 meters long.

[Andrew]

Are they actively trying to figure it out, like, get in there?

[Joe Rogan]

There are researchers that are. But the problem is there's a lot of resistance from the Egyptian government. Figured, yeah, they don't want. They don't want any monkey wrench in the timeline that they've been teaching forever.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, yeah, I've seen one article. They just discovered some ancient city. And it was like a. They discovered something. It was related to Christianity. Like, they discovered something. Christ is king. But long story short, the whole entire project just got shut down and they passed a law. You can't dig there for like 20 years.

[Joe Rogan]

I think you're talking about Gobekli Tepe. Yeah, Gobekli Tepe.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, that's it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Gobekli Tepe, which is in Turkey. Turkey. They found that by accident. It was a farmer. A farmer was. I think it was a sheep herder, actually. He found some stone that was in the ground. He's like, kicked at it and like cleaned it off a little bit and then realized it had a right angle to it. It's like, what the hell is this? Then he dug a little deeper and then they called in the archaeologist, they said, hey, we got something here. And then they discovered that there's these concentric circles and these huge stone columns and 3D animals, and they've only uncovered 5% of it so far. And they kind of stopped digging because they get enormous amount of tourist revenue where people can want to come to the site. And they didn't want to that up. And, you know, there's a lot, a lot of. A lot of weirdness when you let these governments decide what can and can't be explored. Because through ground penetrating radar, they realize that this, this site, even though they've only excavated 5% of it, is one of many, many sites that are in that area. And the age of it is really fascinating because this was intentionally covered somewhere around 11,000 years ago. So that means that someone decided to cover this all up with dirt 11,000 years ago, which means they don't even know how old it is. It could be 2,000, 3,000 years older than that. They don't know.

[Brandon Lane]

And it's just weird to just stop finding that out.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're getting a lot of pressure now, so they might start opening up the excavation of it. And they did a lot of stupid. Like they covered it with olive trees for once for some reason. Yeah. Like, I think because olive trees are protected. So if they covered it with olive trees, you couldn't dig into the ground, you couldn't remove the olive trees. It was like a way to stop people from looking around.

[Andrew]

Interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But now they, they realize that the olive trees, the roots are actually destroying the artifacts that are underneath. So now they're pulling the olive trees and now there's discussions about continuing the excavations.

[Brandon Lane]

I got off on a giant kick one time reading about, and it's like anytime the Smithsonian got involved.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

Shut down.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You know, the giant stuff is weird because there's a lot of documentation of people, people finding giants, like enormous giant bones, 10, 15 foot tall humans. And then there's also the Nephilim in the Bible that are giants that are. That consumed everything, you know, that were. I mean, David and Goliath. There's giants in the Bible. And it makes you think like, okay, is it a giant like the mountain from the Game of Thrones? You know.

[Andrew]

Maybe because people were shorter and relatively back then.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But probably some people weren't. If they lived in some places where they had more resources and better Genesis.

[Andrew]

Pituitary gland problems, you know, where you have guys, 7 foot 11 plus, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. But this seems different. The giants in the Bible and the giants in historical accounts, it seems different. It seems like it's a totally different species of human. And again, if we just found this guy recently, that's a million years old. And now we know. So forever they were saying that human beings, I mean, the, the timeline used to be homo sapiens, emerge 50 times thousand years ago. And then they moved it to 150, then they moved it to 250. 300 is as they find more information. Now they have to push it to a million, you know, and if one day they, they find a head as big as this table, like, what do they do? What do they do about that? Do they even tell us?

[Andrew]

I don't think they don't think.

[Joe Rogan]

Why wouldn't they? That's what's weird. Like, why wouldn't they? Isn't that crazy? But we all agree, we all agree that if they did find a giant, they probably wouldn't tell us.

[Andrew]

Yeah, not until they did their own, you know, figured it out for themselves or tested on what they want.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, if they want people to know. But I don't know why they wouldn't want people to know. Like, why do I. Why am I convinced that they would hide that?

[Brandon Lane]

Well, if there is Antichrist on his way and his goal, he already knows he lost. So his goal at this point is just to destroy as much as possible. You know, get as many souls as possible. And finding stuff like that that would prove the Bible more true, will turn more people to Christianity or to God, the one true God. Then I could see where. If there is, like some type of spiritual force that is in somewhat control, then I could see that's the only way I can make sense of it is like, why cover up progress? Why not tell people the truth?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think it's ego. And that might be also related to good and evil in a lot of ways.

[Brandon Lane]

Loving yourself and not. You're supposed to love God over yourself.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. And being the person that has the knowledge and the person that distributes that knowledge and is the gatekeeper of it is a very intoxicating thing for a lot of these academics. And if all of a sudden something comes along and this is the speculation about what happened with the Smithsonian, that they took that stuff and just fucking tucked it away, I would think they would chamber bones.

[Andrew]

They would want to have, you know, secretly do their own test without anybody knowing about it.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, but to what end? At one point in time, before everybody.

[Andrew]

Else knows, they would already have the answers. I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Know. But wouldn't there be a time where someone would want to, like, be the guy who discovered it all and get all the credit for it? Like, that's why it doesn't make sense to.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

To me, if somebody knows God, it is freeing in a lot of way. And you realize that, you know, no government is above you or no man is above you. God is above you and you serve God. And if you can keep people away from God, you're that much more susceptible to being a slave to something else.

[Drew]

Yeah, like whatever.

[Brandon Lane]

Something else.

[Drew]

Whatever evidence or anything that kind of proves that God exists.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, anything that's gonna prove God's existence, I think that's gonna be the main thing they shut down.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right. Like the Shroud of Turin is an excellent example.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that one's an interesting one.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a weird one, man. There's a weird one. There's a lot of people that go out of their way to try to disprove it, but when you get into the dating of the claw. So it used to be they were saying that it was only a few hundred years old. But now they're saying that the way the cloth is made, the cloth is made that's exactly consistent with the time that Jesus was alive and that more tests need to be done to find out the exact age of it. Because the problem is you don't know what piece they studied and you're not studying the entire thing. And also the image of it is bizarre because the image of it, you really only see Jesus when it's a negative of it. And they don't know how that image was put on there. It wasn't stained, it wasn't burned on there. They don't know what caused it.

[Andrew]

It's like a blast, some radiant.

[Brandon Lane]

Yes, somebody recreated it with gamma radiation I think. But the only problem, so it would just be, it needed, it would need a, it would need to be an extreme source of light to do that. But the only problem is that would have vaporized the heat from the light. Would have vaporized it realistically. So they're wondering, well if light did do it, how was there no heat?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brandon Lane]

So if Christ did raise and pass through it, there's also X ray images in the shroud, apparently.

[Joe Rogan]

Well you see this when you see the shroud in negative like Jamie pull up an image of it. It's very strange. Like it shows the lash marks on his body, it shows his facial features, it shows the holes where his wrist is where he was crucified. It's very strange stuff. Cuz like for someone to do that as a hoax and to just not, not paint it, just to do it in some very weird. Go to that. Yeah, that one right. Where your curses are so over that make that big. Recently said it's fake.

[Brandon Lane]

They've recently said they go back and.

[Joe Rogan]

Forth on the thing is like who is the person, who's they? Right.

[Andrew]

The, the Catholic Church is who.

[Joe Rogan]

What's that? Jamie says they've been debunking it for 650 years. But 650 years ago they didn't even have carbon dating. So what were they doing to debunk it back then? There's a bunch of people that want to debunk it. What does it say? A document?

[Brandon Lane]

Well, they were talking, I mean, I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well they talked about it being bullshit.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The thing is people I'm sure called it and called bullshit on it a long time ago have talked about ways.

[Andrew]

That some of that stuff could have been done.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure. But how would someone figure out that 500, 1,000, 2,000 years ago. Whatever it is, it could have been 300, 200, 150, 60 years ago. Well, it's 650 years. If they've been debunking it for 650 years, you got to assume it's at least 650 years old. So the thing is, like, see, between. It's been dated between 1355 and 1382. So the text was the document. The text. What text?

[Brandon Lane]

That we're talking about here?

[Joe Rogan]

Not the Shroud. What is the text about? Medieval documents revealed the authenticity of the Shroud that many believe wrapped and crucified was being called into question perhaps as early as 1355. Okay, well, that means that it existed. 1355.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Description. Depictions by clergyman. See, it's hard. Deceptions. Oh, excuse me. Deceptions by clergymen. His writings now considered the oldest written rejection of the relic predate the previous, earliest documented criticism by the bishop of Troyes, Pierre d', Arcis, in 1389. So either way, we know it's at least 600 plus years old. And we know that the way that it was put on there was not stained, it was not painted. It's very strange. And if you look at it like that, they didn't even know that until they came up with photography. Until they could take an image of it and make it a negative, they didn't see the face of Jesus. And all the depictions, it's like this image right here is like. You look at that. The Shroud of Turin, like, yeah, I could say, call bullshit, whatever. But then you see the negative go back to those other images. So this is what it looks like when you run it through, when you use modern photography and turn it into a negative. That's really weird that this wasn't. That they didn't know about this in the 1300s.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

New study says it's something else. So they're gonna have studies forever that debunk it. And one thing that academics love to do, they love to call everybody retarded. Yeah, everybody's an idiot. This is all fake. This is bullshit. But whatever that is, man, when you're just go back to the negative ones. The one that you just had. The one down. Yeah, that one. Please. That's weird as fuck to me, man. Weird as fuck that it didn't. You couldn't see it normally. And you only see it when they make a negative of it. That is so strange that someone would go out of their way to fake something in that way where it only exists in a negative.

[Brandon Lane]

Well, they don't Even know how it happened.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, exactly. They don't know how to. I mean, they're saying they could reproduce it today, but I don't think anybody has. And also how are you going to reproduce it to such an extent with so much detail that matches the biblical depiction of the crucifixion, including the holes in the wrist, the lash marks on his back, the wound in his side. It's all really weird. At the very least, it's fascinating. The very least it's fascinating. I mean, it's really interesting stuff to.

[Brandon Lane]

Me that, that seeing that I really don't even care how old people think it is or like figure out how they did that first. To me, it's like, if this is.

[Joe Rogan]

Not only that, how'd they do that 600 fucking years ago or 2000 years ago or whatever, really, whatever age it actually is.

[Brandon Lane]

I seen one article last year where they found dirt particles that matched traced back to Jerusalem. So it's like I say they've been debunking it and saying it's authentic and debunking it, it seems like for the last five or 10 years now.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a very weird stuff.

[Brandon Lane]

Just where are we at right now with it?

[Joe Rogan]

That one church in Ethiopia that's supposed to have the Ark of the Covenant there, and all the people that guard it, they all get cataracts and they wind up dying of radiation.

[Andrew]

I haven't heard that one.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever heard of that?

[Brandon Lane]

I don't know about that. Because the Ark of the Covenant was when God the Father's presence was here on earth. Earth, not through Jesus. Old Testament. The I Am was down here and that's what he resided in. And you had to do all these things to be in his presence or you would literally just die. Die because you know he's holy. And to me, it's like lightness and dark cannot exist in the same place. So you. Whatever. But God the Father's presence isn't there anymore. So I don't understand why it would still be messing people up.

[Joe Rogan]

Up. Well, we don't know what they were writing down. Right. The problem with all of ancient. All ancient religious texts, let's assuming there was real events. The problem is a lot of these things were told as an oral tradition for a hundred, five hundred, a thousand years before they're ever even written down. And then they write them down. They write them down in Aramaic, they write them down in Hebrew. They write them and then they have to translate and they translated to Greek and Latin and then eventually English you're missing a lot along the way. When I read these things, when I read the Bible or if I read the book of Enoch or any of these ancient texts, I'm always trying to say, okay, what were they trying to document? What was the original event? What actually happened? The problem is people are really bad at telling the truth. Like human beings, when they see something fantastic, they always add their own little flavor to it. People add their own little thing to it. If they are of a certain belief, they're going to attach that belief to whatever this thing was. So it's no question that these people held whatever that was in such high regard. And it meant so much to them that they, they like. Like the book of Isaiah where it's verbatim, that they wrote it verbatim for a thousand years. Back when they started out, they were writing things down on animal skins. That's one of the things about the, the Dead Sea Scrolls, it's so fascinating is they had to do genetic testing. So they're writing these things down on these animal skins, and they had to make sure that the skin of this one is the same cow as the skin of this one. So if they do, like genetic testing thing to make sure it's the same cow skin. So, okay, we got all this skin from this cow and it's in this group of, of text. So start to start decoding it.

[Andrew]

That's an interesting way of doing it. That's wild.

[Joe Rogan]

It's wild.

[Andrew]

I would have never thought of that.

[Brandon Lane]

And like Wes Huff said how they used to write things, like they'd leave stuff out back then because it wasn't required back then. They would just write down the basics. I watched that West Huff thing and that was very interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Very. He's fascinating.

[Drew]

He's brilliant, man. I watched a bunch of stuff on him.

[Joe Rogan]

Very, very brilliant. But it's also. Again, what were they trying to document?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, there's something.

[Joe Rogan]

Clearly something was going on back then. Something happened.

[Brandon Lane]

Did you ever read that story? It was somewhere in the Bible. I can't remember where. It's in the Old Testament. Somebody stole the ark. Well, some tribe stole the ark. And like the next day they. The next morning, like everybody was dead from stealing the ark. And they pretty much said, hey, come get this thing. Take it back. We don't want it.

[Drew]

We're good.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's what people believe is in this church in Ethiopia.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, because there's these Ethiopian Jews who also. Their Bible is the Book of Enoch.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Do we have an image of this.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no, you can't see it. Nobody can get. I say send in the seals.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The fuck is in there, bro? Put these guys in hazmat suits and.

[Andrew]

Let'S get to the U.S. gonna be ours.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, yeah, you would imagine we're gonna take it.

[Brandon Lane]

I'd like to see at all.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, what would happen with remote viewers if remote viewing is real. Get remote viewers in a room and.

[Andrew]

We have talked about that.

[Brandon Lane]

My brother is big on. Like he went down a remote viewing rabbit hole. He was big on it.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought it was 100% horseshit about 10 years ago. What about this over time? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the submarine's big. The one that they found. The Soviet submarine that they were building. They knew the exact location. Not just that. Remote viewers found a downed aircraft. Aircraft that was in Siberia. They located it within a three mile radius. They found it. They knew where it was. The United States went in and got it before the Soviet Union could.

[Brandon Lane]

Using remote viewers.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, using remote viewers. Like they've got actionable information from remote viewers. Allegedly.

[Andrew]

Allegedly.

[Joe Rogan]

Allegedly.

[Andrew]

To me, it feels like we could. It's just to scare the Soviets. Like, oh, we got. We got people with superpowers. We know we're where the submarine is.

[Joe Rogan]

Or they're doing it too.

[Andrew]

Or they're doing it too.

[Joe Rogan]

Or it's just something that people realize that there is a developing aspect of human consciousness or an aspect of human consciousness that used to exist that we forgot that we don't know how to do anymore. One of those things.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's an interesting concept.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it is. Because the remote viewer thing, they spent a load of money on that and they, they kept that program going on for a long, long time. And, you know, I don't know what they discovered or what they didn't. You know, it's. Unless you're in the room with the people that have the top, top, top secret information. Who knows?

[Andrew]

That whole Cold War time is also just wild. I think it was. I see why we would have faked a lot of stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Andrew]

On both sides. Oh, just for a big bluff. A bluff game of. We can do this. We have this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep, yep.

[Drew]

Andy just started believing in the. And us getting to the moon.

[Andrew]

Well, once we went. Yeah, once we went to NASA in Texas. But also that documentary, the other footage that came out, I don't really know. I could see why we would fake it. I mean, it's Soviets.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

We want to beat them. That's the US Government. We'd fake a lot of fake anything.

[Brandon Lane]

Let's go ahead.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sorry. No, go ahead.

[Brandon Lane]

I was saying for a while though, they, before that documentary came out, the story, well, we lost the footage.

[Andrew]

We lost all of it.

[Brandon Lane]

And it's like, did they just wait for technology to progress to be able to make a convincing documentary?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they definitely lost the footage. They lost all the original copies of the film. So all the original film was gone. What you're seeing is just copies of copies. They also lost the telemetry data, which is a real problem. That's the hard data, the binary data that shows the distance in the craft and how far it was. It just seems fake. It seems fake when you watch. That's what's weird to me. It seems totally hokey. It looks fake as shit. And then the weird one for me is the Apollo 11 post flight press conference. Those guys look like a hostage video. It doesn't look real at all. And then there's Neil Armstrong, who gave that very bizarre, cryptic speech at the 25th anniversary of the Apollo moon landing. There's a lot of weirdness to them. And the fact that we haven't been back. There's not a single thing that's not cheaper, easier and faster to reproduce from 1969 in 2025. Except the moon landing.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, it's just weird. Like if it is true. I've seen a video of like something that was supposedly live streamed on, on the news back then. And it was just this guy who was obviously hanging from a cable and he had this pathetic looking earth under him, you know, and it's not at all what actual space looks like now, but this was like on the news, apparently.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's probably not real. That's probably an artist rendition or recreation. But how about the phone call? Nixon is calling the guys from the. Hey, fellas. I hear you're on the moon. Yes, sir, we're on the moon. I can't even get fucking cell phone service in my bathroom. What's their explanation for how retro reflectors, reflectors got up there? Well, first of all, the Russians put reflectors as well, so you can, you can definitely remotely place reflectors. The other problem is the moon itself reflects. So there's, there's a lot of weird arguments about that. I could see how you could say, oh, there's reflectors. And that would indicate that people were there. But show us the flag.

[Andrew]

Do we not have a. Can we point, can we point James Webb over there and.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no, no, no, that's, that's deep space. It's a Different thing. You'd have to get a different kind of technology that's just to zoom in on the moon. And they would go, why would we do that? Why we spend billions and billions of dollars to prove something that rational people think definitely happened?

[Andrew]

It's a lot of people that would have to hold a secret too.

[Joe Rogan]

Not really.

[Andrew]

You don't think so?

[Joe Rogan]

No, because it's compartmentalized. It's compartmentalized. The only people that would really need to know are the people who made the footage, the people that are involved in the filming, and the actual astronauts themselves. Everybody else, you're getting fed data. Okay? Yeah.

[Andrew]

You think they would believe that's happening?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Not only that, when the first time, when Apollo 11 happened, they weren't allowed to get a direct feed from the net from NASA. So what they did was they used a projection screen. And then all the news cameras pointed their cameras at the projection screen. That's why it looks like shit. Like the first, the Apollo 11 video looks so bad, but it seems like that was on purpose. Like they made it look like shit on purpose.

[Andrew]

Interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

And if you wanted to gain techno, technological and, you know, ethical and moral superiority over the evil communists, you could see why you would make some sort of a rationalization why you should fake that we have the ability to go to the moon. Because the ability to go to the moon is not just scientific, it's military. It's a military might like, we have the best rockets, we have the best this, we have the best. We got the best.

[Brandon Lane]

We went to the moon.

[Joe Rogan]

We definitely did it. So it just makes sense that they would fake it.

[Andrew]

And the blow of Sputnik flying over the United States and everybody could see it like, we can put this right above your country.

[Brandon Lane]

I'm just saying if they flex, if they were giving people LSD and brothels, I could see them taking the moon.

[Andrew]

Yeah. 100%.

[Joe Rogan]

Most of 100%, most of United States history is at least some aspect of it. Look, what got us into the Vietnam War. Gulf of Tonkin, never happened. Full false flag event. They all throughout history, all throughout the United States history. In the 1960s, during the same time where they were supposedly going to the moon, they lied constantly at every turn. At every turn.

[Andrew]

And who's to say they're not still doing that?

[Brandon Lane]

It was easier to trust.

[Joe Rogan]

They are. They 100 are. Yeah, yeah. Look, I know people in government that will tell you. They'll put your phone down, let's go for a walk. And they'll tell you.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're like, what?

[Andrew]

Yeah, that would be that. Want that.

[Joe Rogan]

Those conversations are strange.

[Andrew]

One of my favorite thing is the pizza ordering at the Pentagon.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah.

[Andrew]

When shit starts to go down, the spike in pizza ordering because people are working late.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Very weird. Weird. Yeah.

[Andrew]

And it just spiked. I saw, I think a couple weeks ago, because I brought it up, I was like, I got a notification. It's like, pizza spike.

[Joe Rogan]

I know people. So I think we're going to war.

[Andrew]

It was at a like a time. It was at a high. That was like the Panama stuff, Vietnam.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that funny? It's pizza deliveries is what freaks everybody out. Oh, they're working late.

[Brandon Lane]

They're working late.

[Andrew]

And now they just called all. All the generals together. Have you seen that?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Hagseth. But supposedly what they're doing is giving. They want. Get all the generals together and give them some sort of a moral and ethical mandate.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like preparedness. This is what we want the military to be.

[Andrew]

No more beards and stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

No more fucking politics and no more, no more identity politics and bullshit. We, the most important thing is be ready. Be ready. Have the best, most capable military that's humanly possible given the resources that we have today. This is what our, this is where our goal is. This is where our job is.

[Andrew]

And they needed to call everybody together to do that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you saw what the was going on over the last four years.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You got guys in dresses talking about how it's really important to have inclusiveness. It's the most important thing about the military is inclusivity. Like, we had crazy people that were in charge of very important positions. Including that guy that was stealing women's clothes.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That guy was in charge of like fucking nuclear weight and he's running around stealing people's underwear with lipstick and a bald head. Just not just stealing, but he stole this one lady who was like a famous designer. It was a one off dress. And then he wore. That's how he got busted. He wore it to some event and the lady was like, hey, that's mine. Like someone stole that from the airport. And that's how he got busted.

[Brandon Lane]

This is a South park episode.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it is a South park episode.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it, Is it a South park episode? No, we live in a South park do. Yeah, we do.

[Brandon Lane]

It's getting wild, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it is wild, but it's like it's always been wild. And this is one of the good things about Trump being elected and Trump in office is it kind of threw a monk because they didn't want him to be the president and threw a monkey wrench into all these things that they were doing. You get to see a lot of these people scramble, and you get to see, like, oh, this is. This is. There's so much, like, all the doge stuff where they uncovered all these NGOs.

[Brandon Lane]

That was crazy.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's an NGO for. I think it's every 600 people in India.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, crazy that is. There's a non. There's a non government organization for every. I think it's like five or six hundred people in India. There's, like, millions of them. It doesn't make any sense. It's crazy. It's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? You front. Elon explained it to me too. He said what you would do is you would make this nonprofit and you would call this not. You'd put a bunch of money into it. So you, like. You put like, $10 million, relatively small to them, $10 million, this thing, and call it, like, Agency for Peace, center for Peace, whatever it is. And then that becomes a non government organization. Then you get politicians to dump tons of money into this ngo. And then through this ngo, you profit.

[Andrew]

It's like a shell company.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And there's a ton of those, and there's so many of them, they couldn't even keep track of them. And the more they dug into it, the more they started calling Elon a Nazi. And it just got wild.

[Andrew]

They don't like when the elites don't like when the curtain's pulled back.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that was the curtain being pulled back. That was the curtain being pulled back in a way that most people were not aware. And when I brought Mike Benz in and Mike Benz laid it all out, and he was explaining that what USAID was for was the things that were too dirty for the CIA to get involved in. So a lot of it was like, regime change operations. Yeah, it was like outlining all these different regime change operations that were all being paid for. And then your tax dollars being dumped into these NGOs, and then people are pulling money out of it and billions of dollars.

[Brandon Lane]

That's the world's piggy bank.

[Andrew]

They stop digging. Are they still digging? Well, I don't, because I know Elon's not in the White House anymore, but.

[Brandon Lane]

It was supposed to be a temporary thing, just.

[Andrew]

But it just seems like it all just stopped.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you don't hear about anymore. That's true. But I think it was real problematic. I mean, they did shut down USAID and They. They turned Elon into a Nazi. I mean, how many Teslas got keyed and tires got slashed? And his business was really troubled by it. And so he's like, I'm done. I'm stepping away, you guys. You didn't follow my instructions. You didn't follow my recommendations, so what can I do? You're ruining my life, so I'm just going to back out of this, go.

[Andrew]

Back to building rock.

[Joe Rogan]

So he's just going back to building rockets. Well, the thing is, like, they didn't even care that he rescued those people from the fucking space station. Which was wild. Like, no one wanted to give him credit. No one wanted to say thank you. They're like, no, he's a Nazi, people. I know we're calling him a Nazi because he spazzed out and went, my heart goes out to you.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, we. We make fun of that all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Someone just took a still image.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, the guy literally has a chain around his neck that was given to him by one of the mothers of. Of the hostages in Israel that says, bring them all home. Yeah, he has. He wears it around his neck. That's what a Nazi does. Like, are you kidding me? You think he's a Nazi? There's no evidence that he's a Nazi other than one hand movement. Yeah, that's it.

[Andrew]

Well, it's like the whole rights being called Nazis, like. Yeah, why are we throwing that word around?

[Joe Rogan]

That word doesn't mean anything when everybody's a Nazi. Yeah, it's like, it's so stupid. It's just. They overplayed that hand.

[Brandon Lane]

It started off being pretty strong and having a lot of weight, but now, you know, it's just like you guys, they use it all the time and it's.

[Andrew]

Yeah, everybody's a Nazi. And then the. If you're not, you're a communist.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I mean, it's just communism. Everything's so extreme right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Think Nazis are real, too. That's the part of the problem when you call everybody a Nazi. Well, the problem is that word gets overused, and now legitimate Nazis can just operate with impunity. Like, they're real. There's. There's legit Nazis out there.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, yeah. And then they wouldn't even really know what a Nazi is at that point.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's squirrely. It's squirrely as fuck. And the government just is too big. It's too big. There's too much going on, and you can only do so much to make it effective. And so this Administration has four years, and who knows what they're gonna be able to get done or not get done. And there's a lot of things they're doing that make people very upset. Like all the ice stuff and the.

[Andrew]

Raids and you see Ice Cube's bus, tour bus. Have you seen that?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Andrew]

They burnt his bus down.

[Joe Rogan]

Portland, The Antifa people burnt Ice's ice cubes.

[Andrew]

Ice cubes.

[Joe Rogan]

Because they thought it was the ice.

[Brandon Lane]

I thought it was the ice bus.

[Andrew]

Yeah. You haven't seen this?

[Brandon Lane]

No.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah. I didn't mean to interrupt you on it, but it just hit me. I saw that this a couple days ago.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so stupid. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Burned it to the ground.

[Brandon Lane]

Is there a reaction video?

[Andrew]

I always love to see Ice Cube's reaction, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Portland is wild. Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You guys tour in Portland?

[Andrew]

Yeah, we actually had a good show there. But when you walk around so happy, it is zombie apocalypse.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And we were just another one. San Francisco, we've never. First time for us going to San Francisco was about a month ago. And it was. We were in the. Whatever they call the Tenderloin. And it is a madhouse. There's people blowing up fireworks. Some homeless people blowing up these fireworks in the middle of the night on the street. Me and Drew's just watching them out the window. We're watching crime happen.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. San Francisco is pretty buck wild. And then the mayor came out and said, we're making a declaration. No one can sleep on the street. You can no longer loiter. You can only do that. And they go, look at San Francisco right now. It's exactly the same. It's just talk.

[Brandon Lane]

Is San Francisco where they cleaned up the Chinese president.

[Joe Rogan]

The Chinese president because Xi Jinping was in town. And then Newsom said, well, when you have visitors over, you clean up your house. Like, bitch, why don't you just keep your fucking house clean? Why you got shit on your floor? 100% human shit all over your streets.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, man. That's the questions that everybody needs to be asking.

[Joe Rogan]

But this is the question. It's possible. What if I wanted to ruin society and get it to a point where everybody. You needed to control things because it got so chaotic that you can institute some sort of a digital ID and institute social credit score. That's how you would do it. You would. I mean, I'm not saying that that's what they're doing, but that's how I would do it. What I would do is I would just let people out of jail the moment they do anything Let them camp on the streets, give them money for drugs. Just let them, just let it go crazy. And then have everybody like scrambling, please take away our freedom to give us safety. And then boom.

[Brandon Lane]

Well, you can't blame people for asking these kinds of questions. When you go to other countries and it's safe to walk around at night and it's a pretty clean city, it's like, why don't we have this? You know, you can't blame a society for asking those kinds of questions from their leaders. Why are you allowed and why did you just clean up for a foreign government to come visit with the is cool or whatever, but you prove that you could.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

And then like, why don't we just have that all the time?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

I think there needs to be more stuff directed towards mental health. A lot of those homeless people and people on drugs is there. Some of them are like mentally ill and 100% can't. But we don't have any, we don't have any treatment for people like that hardly.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it all skyrocketed during the Reagan administration because they changed the like the laws in terms of like, like where what, what you're supposed to do when someone's mentally ill and they just like let them loose. Let's stop paying for it.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

We're not saying asylums anymore or anything.

[Joe Rogan]

But then again, you know, you hear stories about it like that's not good either.

[Andrew]

We would hope we'd have some good.

[Brandon Lane]

Ones, but it's just like some people are out there with no family.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brandon Lane]

There's like, you know, kid, their family died when they were 18 and they're, they're not mentally able to function in society. They've been homeless for 20 years.

[Joe Rogan]

100%.

[Brandon Lane]

We need a place for people like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, 100%.

[Drew]

I have a very, very close family member right now that's homeless and mentally ill and is. That's all I want, man, is for people to like we need. I don't know what needs to happen, but we need to get These people help.

[Joe Rogan]

100%. Yeah, 100%. And that should be something that we do spend money on.

[Brandon Lane]

I've rolled tax dollars to go to something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, everybody right or left, everybody. Would you want people to get a chance? I mean the best stories ever are people that had there they were in the gutter like living on the streets and now all of a sudden they're helping people. They run some sort of a non profit food kitchen and they're helping people get clean and they found Life's purpose and you know, running, you know, whether it is some sort of a religious class or something that gives people hope and gives people something that you know, then they can tell you, like, hey, I used to be where you are and now I'm not. And now I'm helping people like right or left. Like this divide that we have in this country, most of it's bullshit and most of it is like it's engineered. It's engineered to keep us at each other's throats so they can keep getting away with all this nonsense.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And we keep eating it up.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah. And doubling down.

[Andrew]

It could be like if the president said don't go buy or something about bananas.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You go, everybody should have a banana today. The left would never eat another banana. Look at this Tylenol or the Tylenol thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this.

[Brandon Lane]

Tylenol said in 20, we actually don't recommend you take our product. But to see people 2017, they said.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, not only that, two years ago Johnson and Johnson separated from Tylenol. Tylenol became its own country company. Whoa. Which is probably like they saw it coming down the pipe and they're like, hey, well, here's what's really crazy. A lot of crazy leftist women started taking tylenol to own JFK or RFK Jr. And, and Trump. And a bunch of them died of liver toxicity. Yeah. Have you.

[Andrew]

I knew it was going to happen. Tick tock. Pregnant women just taking Tylenol just out of spite.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy. It's crazy.

[Brandon Lane]

Why let, why let something dictate your life that much, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Because a lot of people are nuts, man. A lot of people just that don't have any critical thinking skills and they're in a cult.

[Andrew]

Then you find a hobby.

[Joe Rogan]

Whether they're in a MAGA cult or they're in a leftist cult. They're in a culture. Yeah. And they're all in on one side or the other side. And I think humanity exists in the middle and humanity exists in the middle where you're supposed to be able to talk about ideas and you're supposed to say, well, what's, what's a good for just overall society, like mental health institutions, like giving people some sort of a chance to become a productive member of society. Like all. There's a lot of things that we all agree on.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And we need to find common ground and instead of like fighting and instead of polarizing people. And this is one of the problems that I have with this administration, is that they're really good at, like, pointing fingers at the other side and polarizing and really bad at uniting us all and not attacking the other side and just uniting us and bringing us together.

[Brandon Lane]

What was the last administration that was good at uniting, in your opinion?

[Joe Rogan]

Ooh.

[Brandon Lane]

Or is it. It's always been a divisive.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's kind of always been like that. But maybe the Clinton administration, Maybe the first one.

[Andrew]

Yeah, maybe nine, 11, but on the same team for at least a year.

[Drew]

He was pretty divisive.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, oh, he was super divisive before that. That's for damn sure.

[Andrew]

It was not influence, but it's also.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, what did they do with that, that unitedness? They forced us into a war over a bullshit premise. I mean, that just shows you what they're really willing to do if they have everybody's will. If they have everybody on their side. Like, okay, great, let's invade Iraq back. Let's lie about the war on terrorism. Yeah, exactly.

[Brandon Lane]

They go anywhere with nuclear weapons.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I have to do. Say it's. We have to. They hate us for our freedom. Oh, no.

[Andrew]

Go them up and take their oil.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, exactly. It's. It's kind of crazy, but we always fall for it. And hopefully we fall for it less and less every year. But not. It doesn't seem like it when you see pregnant ladies chewing Tylenol.

[Andrew]

Yeah, we're in a crazy time again.

[Brandon Lane]

That's what the song touches on. We're actually going to put it out October 3rd because of it.

[Joe Rogan]

I listened to it in the gym today.

[Brandon Lane]

To people hating.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

You like it?

[Joe Rogan]

I love it. I love the whole album. It's really great.

[Brandon Lane]

Just jaded on it, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

People hating each other.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's sick. It's sick and it's unnecessary. And you don't get much time, folks. You don't get much time in this life. You get a hundred years if you're lucky, and you're gonna waste it fighting ideological battles on Twitter and Facebook. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, you know, and you're trapped. Trapped on your phone. You're trapped. Like, checking to see how people are engaging with your ladies latest outraged tweet.

[Drew]

I can't. I cannot, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

I cannot.

[Drew]

I cannot look at the comments. And I think I learned that from you.

[Andrew]

But yeah, go post and ghost.

[Joe Rogan]

Post and ghost, baby.

[Drew]

I just, like, I've seen some of these things and I know it's all like, somebody's just coming on here to rile me up.

[Joe Rogan]

But, like, David 36907. Yeah. It's like so many of them on the inside.

[Drew]

It kind of gets to you a little bit. And I just.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't.

[Brandon Lane]

Not me.

[Drew]

Rather not.

[Andrew]

Yeah. He's a comment reader.

[Brandon Lane]

I eat it up, son. Keep doing it. Yeah. I don't care, really. I wouldn't be doing this if I cared about people's opinion, you know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

But you do keep. Care about good people's opinions.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You just don't care.

[Brandon Lane]

I don't care about the negative opinions because I'm not. I'm doing it for God pretty much. But I mean, anytime I post a cover song, sorry. Not Waylon. Sorry. Nobody will ever be George Jones. Wasn't trying to be. Just singing a song. It's not that deep.

[Joe Rogan]

Johnny Cash will never be Nine Inch Nails, you know, Hurt. It's just a different thing, man. You can enjoy it without saying that, but there's a lot of people that are just negative and it's why. It's because their life sucks. Do you think Michael Jordan leaves YouTube comments? No, because he's a fucking winner.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I mean?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's really what it is. It's like a lot of our society, their main contribution is big, you know, that's what they spend most of their energy on.

[Brandon Lane]

We want to keep it about music, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Good for you, man.

[Brandon Lane]

A lot of drama in the world and we. Somebody tried to start drama with us. I don't even know if we would even reply. We don't. It's a fake place. You think I'm gonna waste my time arguing with you on social media? You know, I'm not cool. That's what you think.

[Joe Rogan]

It's one of the few things that we have that really unites us, you know? Really does. You can get people of all persuasions, all different kinds of backgrounds, just love a good song, you know, it's universal.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

It's weird about social media too. Is the algorithm like some. Like someone left leaning will have a completely different comment section than someone right leaning.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Living in an Echo Chat.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. And that's really bad because then you think, look, and then when the election happens, you're like, what. What is going on? How do you not think the way I think? Yeah. Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

We're all people, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I just wish someone would come along that was a great Uniter and hopefully they won't get shot.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Jeez.

[Brandon Lane]

Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, maybe it would.

[Brandon Lane]

They killed. They killed him first, though.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

They. They. They did it back Then, too.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If Jesus did come back today, boy, would that be fascinating. Like, see, just to see how people. Oh, God.

[Brandon Lane]

Oh, God. Actually, I believe. I'm sorry.

[Andrew]

It be relieving, honestly.

[Brandon Lane]

I mean, could you imagine, Like, I don't know. I don't want to throw shade on anybody, but then just dying. It's like, oh, God dang it. They were right. Like, I know. I know. I'll see myself just go ahead and.

[Andrew]

Walk out and walk the other way, right?

[Joe Rogan]

You get to the pearly gates, you're like, no. You know, really? Wow. And then St. Peter's like, come here. Talk to you about some things for me. Oh, dude, I didn't know. If I knew, I would have never done all this. I would have never lied about my taxes. I would never done any of those things.

[Andrew]

A little late, then. I'd have to make a. Make a stop at Purgatory on the way. That's where I'll be.

[Brandon Lane]

We make purged.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, it's.

[Andrew]

I'll be there eventually, but music is.

[Joe Rogan]

The great Uniter, the only Catholic in the band. So it's like, again, do you believe in purgatory?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, but we coexist.

[Andrew]

Yeah, we have. Yeah, we. I mean, we talk about. We have, like, a little random Bible study that pop up. We just talk about the Bible. I pull out my catechism. You know, it's fun.

[Brandon Lane]

I'm just gonna be laughing at you because God probably will send you to a purgatory because you believed in it.

[Andrew]

Hey, he might be sending you. We don't know. We'll know when we leave it there. I'm gonna see y' all in that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, when was Catholicism established?

[Andrew]

When. With Jesus Christ. When he was crucified, that's when it was started. Yeah. He told St. Peter, I'll build on. On top of you. You are the rock I will build my church on. You know where his bones are? Are in the Vatican underneath St. Peter's Basilica.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. Vatican's got a lot of stuff.

[Andrew]

St. Peter's Basilica just went for my honeymoon. Insane, it was. Even if you're not Catholic, just going there. They have a whole museum. Is insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Are we going in Europe?

[Andrew]

No, that's down in Rome. We won't make it that far, but.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, either way, Rome is pretty bizarre to look at, too. But there's. There is nothing thing. There's nothing like St. Peter's Basilica.

[Andrew]

It is.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, by the way, how crazy is it that Rome is its own country? How crazy is that?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They have their own. It's a country. It's like 50 acres or some.

[Andrew]

Yeah, the Vatican.

[Joe Rogan]

The Vatican rather. Excuse me, not Rome.

[Andrew]

And you have to wait in line. Yeah, you have to wait in line to enter in the morning when we went.

[Joe Rogan]

But the Vatican being its own country is so strange. And then you get in it like, this might be the richest country ever. Yeah, like, look at all the art. They have so much art.

[Andrew]

They have so much art.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just St. Peter's Basilica, whatever. Whatever you believe. If you go to that, you'll be awestruck.

[Andrew]

It's. It's literally like you walk in, you're just covered.

[Joe Rogan]

You're blown away. You're blown away. And it didn't it take like 4 or 500 years to make?

[Brandon Lane]

I'm sure.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I mean this was all people with no computers and no power drills.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Rogan]

No power saws. Like how, oh, how dedicated were you motherfuckers?

[Brandon Lane]

I will say that's what some of my favorite memories of Europe last year was seeing cathedrals, how beautiful they are. It's kind of screwed up. They were like charging people at the door.

[Andrew]

No, that was. No, that's. Yeah. Anglican.

[Brandon Lane]

It wasn't Catholic.

[Andrew]

No, Catholics.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that.

[Andrew]

You can enter. Anglican will charge you.

[Joe Rogan]

And when you see it, the photos are beautiful. But being there in person, you realize the scale of it all. And it's. It's almost impossible. It's impossible to imagine the dedication and the craftsmanship that was involved in making something so.

[Andrew]

And there's a whole crip underneath with all the.

[Brandon Lane]

It's like we moved backwards. How did stuff stop. Stop being beautiful?

[Joe Rogan]

Construction methods got much more convenient.

[Brandon Lane]

You see it like a picture of a train from back in the day. How like just beautiful a public train used to be.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

Old cars are just.

[Joe Rogan]

How about. You ever see economy seating from like the 1960s?

[Brandon Lane]

I wish I could have flew.

[Andrew]

They were smoking cigarettes on them.

[Brandon Lane]

Airplanes turning up back then on flights, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They were smoking cigarettes in couches. They had these big ass seats. Everybody looked relaxed.

[Brandon Lane]

Rappers don't even do that now. I mean, they were like living it up back then.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they were living.

[Andrew]

I really couldn't imagine sitting on an airplane next to somebody smoking a cigarette.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, when I was a kid.

[Andrew]

It has to be suffocating, right?

[Joe Rogan]

It was horrible. And if you got a ticket like late, you had to sit in the smoking section. So you're in the back of the bus or the back of the plane. Oh, but. And it Went. And if you had to go to the toilet, you had to go past all the people smoking. Wow, look at that. Yeah, that's economy seating.

[Andrew]

That looks nice. Turbulence.

[Brandon Lane]

No wonder people are so depressed nowadays.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they did have seat belts, didn't they? Or it doesn't look like they do. No, don't. Don't look like it's all our luggage.

[Brandon Lane]

You might die.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the luggage is in overhead compartments. They still have overhead compartments.

[Andrew]

Look pretty shallow.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, those are overhead compartments.

[Brandon Lane]

Lights.

[Andrew]

People probably traveled air.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you think that's fake? It might be AI generated. They might be bullshitting us. But there are definitely real shows.

[Andrew]

8 year old posts on.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's legit.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, that wouldn't.

[Joe Rogan]

I seen 747 from the 1960s.

[Brandon Lane]

Is there like a stand up bar? Didn't they have like a stand up bar section where you walk around and go get a drink?

[Joe Rogan]

So that's a different size plane, though. But it depends on like where you're going and how far you're flying. Flying.

[Brandon Lane]

There's no overhead storage.

[Joe Rogan]

It looks like most people look like they're having a good old time, though, on those planes.

[Andrew]

They were actually talking to each other.

[Brandon Lane]

Look at the colors of the seats.

[Joe Rogan]

And by the way, the stewardesses were hot. Yeah, it was like hot stewardesses.

[Brandon Lane]

They had a. You had to be hot to be a stewardess back then.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Weird.

[Andrew]

Also, what happened to fashion? These people are dressed up very nice on an airplane and now we're, you know, people are showing up in yoga pants.

[Brandon Lane]

Pants.

[Joe Rogan]

Yoga pants.

[Brandon Lane]

That's first time.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't be hating on yoga pants, bro.

[Andrew]

I should have worn mine. Dang it.

[Joe Rogan]

But it went well with your chain and the mustache. Nothing but like shirtless chain mustache.

[Brandon Lane]

I don't know why people were calling me a lesbian.

[Andrew]

Yeah, the Theo von comments coming back, people were like, oh, he looks like Matthew McConaughey was like, Dang. What are they talking about me? And they're like. And it was Brandon. They're like, who's this, this mustache lesbian that keeps talking?

[Brandon Lane]

What did I do?

[Andrew]

Yeah, what did I do?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, people will find a way to get you.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I don't read those. I just have Brandon send me screenshots.

[Joe Rogan]

You get in there, right?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

My feelings will get hurt, man.

[Brandon Lane]

I get a lot of Elvis. Like, oh, he looks like Elvis. It looks like Elvis. That's why I won't do karate, because that's just the next thing they'll just tack on. Oh, he's doing karate like Elvis. I'm Just like. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a good thing to get out your aggression, though. It's a good thing to calm yourself.

[Brandon Lane]

I want to do something, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

I want to do boxing.

[Joe Rogan]

Do some Muay Thai. Have some guy hold pads for you if you started out with Shotokan, you know.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Get some guy to hold pads for you when you're on the road.

[Andrew]

Drew. Drew's here. Down 40 plus pounds in the last. How long?

[Drew]

I'd say about 10 months.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? That's great. What'd you do?

[Drew]

I fasted. So I did like 16 hour fasts pretty much every day.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Intermittent fasting. Nice.

[Drew]

And just that alone.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that amazing, dude?

[Drew]

30 pounds by itself.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Drew]

And then I started working out a few weeks ago, and I've just been doing it, like, every single day.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't you feel a million times better?

[Drew]

1,000%.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that crazy? Like, you want to tell people? I know it sucks to start. Yeah. Starting something is hard to do. Changing the habits of your life are very hard to do. But if you could do it, God, you'll feel so much better.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Drew]

I mean, like, I can't even go a day without running.

[Andrew]

Really?

[Drew]

It feels like I will feel bad.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that incredible?

[Drew]

Yeah, dude. I love it so much.

[Joe Rogan]

And you think about the time where you felt bad all the time, and that was your base state. Yeah. That's a lot of people that are complaining online, too. There's a lot of people that just. They're uncomfortable just walking around.

[Andrew]

Exercise.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They're filled with anxiety and angst and.

[Brandon Lane]

Need to get outside and exercise just.

[Joe Rogan]

To fucking do something. Do something.

[Andrew]

I mean, it will cure a lot of things. Just exercise alone.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, what's 1.25 times better than antidepressants? Just that alone. 1.25 times better than SSRIs.

[Andrew]

Everybody's always. It just so blows my mind, even growing up as a kid, all these fat burning pills and all these shortcuts to lose weight. And the Ozempic thing, it's like, there's no. No shortcut. It is diet and exercise.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I think for people that are, like, morbidly obese, like, something that goes epic is.

[Andrew]

It's gonna be the.

[Joe Rogan]

It'll help you. It's the catalyst, get you started. Sometimes it's just getting started. It's just like getting momentum going where you're doing something positive every day, and then, you know, next thing you know, it's five days in a row. Next, you know, it's a Month in a row. Like, I'm feeling good. I got got. I really have a good program going on now. I'm feeling better. Everything's healthy. And that's a lot of life is just having positive momentum in the right direction.

[Brandon Lane]

We're creatures of habit, and we learn to walk by forming a habit. And you can form good habits. You know, you get to a point where, like you said, man, I didn't get my run in today. I feel weird and, oh, I need to go to the gym. I need to feel a pump or something. You get that habit going, man.

[Joe Rogan]

And for some people, it's meditation. For some people, it's yoga. Yoga. But just do something. Do something. Do something positive, you know, don't just exist.

[Andrew]

I hope that for America we'll get fit again.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that would be nice.

[Andrew]

We need that.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel like that's.

[Drew]

I feel like it's shifting.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel like it. Yeah, there's a lot of people. There's a lot of people that are shifting.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Well, I think, like, with our grandparents, they didn't. The importance wasn't known yet of how important moving. Like, if you don't use your joints, you're going to lose them when you're old. And that's why we have, you know, old people are all slumped over and old. I hope when our generation gets there, we know how important exercise is. And when we're 80 years old, we can still run a mile, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Or just go to the doctor and they give you a new body or that too. That's probably gonna happen.

[Brandon Lane]

Stress my legs out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

Get some new knees.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Just take your brain, download it into a new body. Body.

[Brandon Lane]

Have they tried the head transplant yet?

[Joe Rogan]

They have done a head transplant.

[Brandon Lane]

Did it work?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, no. The person died, but they kept him alive for a short period of time. They did it to a dog. I think they did do it to a person.

[Brandon Lane]

That Nazi video of the dog head's weird.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

Made me feel weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the Nazis tried a lot of. They experimented with a lot of. That's what's really dark. It's like a lot of, like, medical experiments we found out through the Nazis.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Like spreading intestines across the wall to see how GI tracts work. And. Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

Like, they're poking on people's brain while they're still active people.

[Drew]

It's gonna be a smelly room, dude.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, I would imagine.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, with genetic engineering, hopefully they don't have to do any of that, but it's. It is going to be weird if you could just choose your body. Yeah. You know, like, everyone's gonna look beautiful. Everyone's gonna be looking like Thor. You know, Chris Hemsworth's walking around the world. It's going to be very strange at that point.

[Brandon Lane]

God's just going, all right, that's it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

Pulling the plug. Let's go.

[Andrew]

Too far.

[Drew]

Yeah, maybe Me and my wife are looking into IVF right now. And they were. They're like, do you want to pick a gender?

[Andrew]

You can do that.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Drew]

I mean, if you had your choice, would you want to pick? And I was like, that's something you got.

[Andrew]

I'm gonna need a week to think about.

[Joe Rogan]

And why. Why are you looking into ivf? Why are you doing. Doing that?

[Drew]

So my wife has scar tissue, and so she had. She had a mass on her. One of her fallopian tubes. Oh.

[Joe Rogan]

So they have to do it this way.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So, well, see, in that way, medical science is brilliant, right?

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. Yeah. And it would be cool if that was covered by insurance.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it would be.

[Drew]

There's a program called Carrot now that runs through our. Through our insurance that you can do it on.

[Andrew]

Oh, wow.

[Brandon Lane]

It'll cool.

[Joe Rogan]

It's quite expensive though, right, isn't it? Like $30,000 a shot, something like that. It doesn't always work the first time. You have to try it again.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. But my wife puts it as, you know, your baby's just taking the scenic route. There's a lot of people feel funny about. They feel funny about getting ivf, but it's like, there's nothing wrong with ivf.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, if it allows you to become a parent, parent. And it's the most rewarding thing in life to become a parent, to me at least. It changes everything. Changes your whole life, changes your perspective on things. Dave Chappelle said it best to me, said it didn't just change the amount of love I had, it changed my capacity for love.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And if you can give that to people, that's beautiful. Yeah. Especially like, there's a real population collapse problem.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, I was gonna say that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And a lot of countries, it's real serious.

[Brandon Lane]

There's some countries where it's not. Some countries where they're over producing. It's like, isn't England, like below the rate they need to be?

[Joe Rogan]

Japan is real bad.

[Andrew]

Isn't. China's upside down.

[Joe Rogan]

Too many people. I don't know what Japan or China is, but I know Japan has a real issue. South Korea has a huge issue.

[Andrew]

It's funny. I wonder why it's the Asian countries.

[Joe Rogan]

They work hard, they're busting their ass all the time. They don't have time to make kids. I mean if you're like super dedicated to work and super disciplined and Korea, South Korea in particular is very disciplined culture, very hard working culture. So if they're career oriented and disciplined, those are the type of people that have less kids.

[Andrew]

I'd like to see where they're the highest and where they're the lowest and see, you know, is it like Europe, is it northern Europe producing more children?

[Brandon Lane]

I've seen a map of it. I can't remember what's what.

[Andrew]

Poor countries.

[Brandon Lane]

It was kind of scary.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a lot of poor countries because.

[Brandon Lane]

That'S how a culture disappears over time is low birth rates.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah. So do your part. Get that IVF son.

[Brandon Lane]

Have babies.

[Joe Rogan]

Have babies anymore. We should cover. We good?

[Brandon Lane]

I mean, I think, I think the single coming out October 3rd is. Was all I wanted to make sure I talked about. But I mean we've talked about a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

You guys are fucking great. I enjoy you very much. Listen to you guys all the time in the green room. You're in the green room playlist at the Mother's Day.

[Andrew]

Heck yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So we, we love you guys.

[Brandon Lane]

You gotta come catch the show sometime. I would love to that tell you the story. The Kill Tony story.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brandon Lane]

So our first time, 2024 was a wild year for us. Like we got into Kill Tony and we were loving it and watching it. And then a couple months later, it's like, you guys want to go see Shane Gillis? And they were like, yeah, they got us like they pulled us up backstage and as soon as we get out of the van, Tony sitting there smoking a cigarette, he's like, hey, what's up guys? You know, and so we were starstruck immediately and then met Shane and we kind of felt like Shane didn't know who we were. So we think he slipped off to the green room to look us up.

[Andrew]

And come back 100%.

[Drew]

It's like you guys just had a number one hit.

[Joe Rogan]

Congratulations.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So he come back with a Google quote.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, man. But that was, that was just incredible. And then like a few months later, we actually get to go to Kill Tony. And that was just another mind blown. Incredible. Oh my God, what is happening? And they were like, hey, Somebody was like, rogan wasn't gonna come out tonight, but he wants to meet you guys. So you know he's gonna come out of Mitzi's and talk to you guys. Cool, man. Get a little. A little nervous, a little freaked out. And we read Mitzi's hanging out with Hans, Kim, Cam, and all those guys. And then turn around and there you are standing there. Oh, my God, there he is. And you were standing there talking to.

[Andrew]

People, though you got swallowed up immediately as you walked in the door.

[Brandon Lane]

And me and Andrew were sitting at the bar, and they were just like, all right, I'm going in. I was like, no, man, just wait.

[Andrew]

I was like, you want to talk to him? I'm just gonna send it, buddy. I'll send this for you.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, let's.

[Andrew]

Hey, Mr. Joe. This is my friend Brandon.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, let it happen naturally. Let it happen naturally. And so I was sitting there, waiting on my time to strike, and I turned around and talked to somebody, and I turned back around where you were, and you were gone. So I was like. I felt like just the biggest hammer drop of all time. I was like, dang, man. I felt extra bad. Cause I was told that you wouldn't want to come out, but you were coming out to meet us, and I felt like. Were we. We just sat there and ignored you.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So I didn't know you guys were there.

[Brandon Lane]

Okay, I did come out.

[Joe Rogan]

I did come out to meet you guys, but I got swarmed, and it was just like, I get weird sometimes. I'm like, gotta go see.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it was.

[Joe Rogan]

Get out of there.

[Andrew]

You had, like, six people you were carrying a conversation with at one time.

[Brandon Lane]

We weren't about to be on top of that.

[Andrew]

Well, we know we will cross paths when times needed.

[Joe Rogan]

We did it.

[Brandon Lane]

I saw you also, and I missed my chance again at UFC in December. December.

[Joe Rogan]

Which one?

[Brandon Lane]

In Vegas.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, okay.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, you were. You were commentating, and we were across from you on the other side of the arena. Theo was sitting behind you, I think, and we were on the direct other side. Incredible experience. Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

This is the first time you guys had ever been.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah. And Theo, actually, he got an extra ticket to Super Slap, and he invited me out of that Fontaine Blues Power slap. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Odd Sports.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, that will be. That won't be around for a long time.

[Andrew]

A cte. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. A factory.

[Brandon Lane]

Brain damage is coming.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a CTE farm. I don't get it. It's not my thing.

[Andrew]

It seems so bad for you to just. I mean, 100, obviously.

[Joe Rogan]

100. Terrible for you.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't know about that.

[Andrew]

I mean, they are. I mean, they're concussed. Standing right back up there to get hit Again?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I mean, has there been a second impact syndrome case yet in Power Slave Slap?

[Joe Rogan]

Power Slap's only been around for a couple years.

[Brandon Lane]

Oh, Dana's gonna be paying money to, like, keep the studies away. No, we gotta keep this going.

[Joe Rogan]

I just don't like it. I don't know why people like it, but I do watch it. If somebody sends me a video and I watch some guy get slapped, ko'd, I will watch it because I watched 2 hours or an hour of dick operations last night.

[Andrew]

How do you feel about, like, bare knuckle?

[Joe Rogan]

That's different. I mean, it's dangerous, but it's dangerous. It is skillful. It's like, there's guys that are really good at it and guys that avoid being hit and guys that are just really durable, and they make their mark in that. Like, look, if you could punch someone with regular gloves, why can't you punch someone bare knuckle? It's probably better for your brain because you can't hit. Get hit as hard slightly.

[Brandon Lane]

They're not standing there just waiting for it.

[Joe Rogan]

You get a lot of that connection.

[Andrew]

Though, when they hit. And you don't have a glove.

[Joe Rogan]

1.

[Andrew]

You see. You see them?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You see the. The shock it puts through you.

[Brandon Lane]

You. The noise Power Slap makes in real life is uncanny. It's weird when you hear that in real life. It's like, I've never heard a noise like that before. And that was on somebody's face.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Not good.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, not good.

[Joe Rogan]

And sometimes they. They get KO'd and then their head slaps the table, and then they fall backwards, stiff and, like, combo. I don't like it.

[Brandon Lane]

I felt weird. It's like watching a fight or something.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But, hey, you know, you sign up, up.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You want to do it. No one's forcing you. Do whatever you want. You want to ride bulls? Go ahead.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Flip bikes. Whatever you want to do.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Some people want to Evil Knievel your way through life.

[Brandon Lane]

After that, though, it was. We got to meet Dana, and he. He hooked us up with the fight tickets.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nice.

[Brandon Lane]

I seen you. And then say, oh, this would be my chance. And you. We. Afterward, we left our seats, and then we were going out, and then you immediately stood up and walked right in front of where I was sitting it, and I was like, dang, I missed it. All right.

[Andrew]

Is the White House thing supposedly, we. There's supposed. There's a concert aspect to it.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Andrew]

We want to put our name in the bucket.

[Joe Rogan]

Is there really?

[Andrew]

Supposedly.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow. Interesting. Who's supposed to perform so far?

[Andrew]

I don't think anybody yet.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I didn't even know there was a concert aspect to it.

[Andrew]

That's what we've heard. Our agents heard, at least.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. This is the first time I've heard of it. That makes sense, though.

[Drew]

Come play our sad music for.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Heck, yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

Ruin everybody's buzz.

[Joe Rogan]

We call it Sad Boy Emotion. Emotional. It's emotional music. I don't think it's sad. Doesn't make me sad. Yeah, the White House thing's gonna be nuts. But listen, man, that's June. That is so long from now. Who the fuck knows what's gonna happen in this wacky world between now and June? The aliens could have already landed.

[Andrew]

I can't wait to see the card, though.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

I hope it happens.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's gonna try to put together the greatest card of all time. I know that. So they're gonna try to get as many insane fighters as they can before.

[Brandon Lane]

People come jumping on us for that. It's like, it'd be an honor to play at the White House, period, no matter who's in office.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon Lane]

It's like, what happened to just being able to go and meet the president being.

[Joe Rogan]

It should be cool.

[Brandon Lane]

It should be a cool thing.

[Joe Rogan]

It shouldn't be polar.

[Andrew]

I'd like to meet Trump, but I also like to meet Obama. He seems pretty dang cool.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, that would be cool. Just going to the White House would be a big honor.

[Andrew]

Yeah, sure, sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, hopefully you guys can.

[Brandon Lane]

Yeah, we'll see. Who cares?

[Joe Rogan]

Keep kicking up ass. You'll get there.

[Andrew]

We'll see. I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Hopefully the less. Less polarizing times by the time you get in there. But thank you for being here. Appreciate you guys very much. And thanks for making awesome music. It's been fun to meet you.

[Brandon Lane]

Awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, Clay Strays, ladies and gentlemen. Bye.