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Katee Sackhoff
Joe Rogan podcast.
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Joe Rogan
Check it out.
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Katee Sackhoff
The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Joe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Especially in Hollywood, right? You always have a little bounce. There's guys standing there with the big.
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Katee Sackhoff
You always need someone, like, wandering around in front of you. Especially when you get to a certain age, you're like, can we just put Vaseline on the camera?
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Joe Rogan
Like a filter?
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, exactly.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. My wife actually likes it when her lens on her camera phone is like.
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Katee Sackhoff
Blurry, a little dirty.
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Joe Rogan
She's like, gives you like a little filter.
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. I'm sure they offer that filter. Slightly dirty lens.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. Smudgy lens. Yeah. So really nice to meet you.
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Katee Sackhoff
It's nice to meet you.
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Joe Rogan
You were a part of, I think, the most underappreciated sci fi show ever.
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Katee Sackhoff
I think at the time. Absolutely.
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Joe Rogan
I mean, even now, I don't think people talk about it enough. It was a fucking great show.
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
And I was so skeptical about Battlestar Galactica because when I was a kid, I watched the original series and then there was a new one coming. Was like, oh, come on. And then somebody told me, I forgot. One of my friends, one of my comedian friends, like, dude, you got to watch the show. It's fucking great. Like, it's not what you expect. Like, you'd think it'd be like the old Battlestar Galactica, which is kind of sort of corny a little bit, but it was a really fucking good show.
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Katee Sackhoff
When did you watch it? When it was on or after?
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Joe Rogan
No, when it was on.
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Katee Sackhoff
Okay. So originally. Yeah, yeah, it was. God, like when I first got the script, it was like 2001, and I was 21 year old kid. And at that point I'd been playing like stereotypical blonde roles. You know, I was in a movie where you were like, please die. You know, like, I was that girl, you know, and so I knew that if I could change my career, I needed to change it. And I saw this script.
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Joe Rogan
That's hilarious that you're thinking, I need to change my career at 21.
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Katee Sackhoff
At 21.
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Joe Rogan
That's how crazy the hourglass is in Hollywood.
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Katee Sackhoff
I was like, this is. I got. I got seven years left. That's so crazy.
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Joe Rogan
Fucking sketchy job.
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Katee Sackhoff
I know. And so I was like, what am I gonna do? Right? And I saw this script and Ron Moore had put a, like an entry page on the front of the miniseries. It was like a bible that he called it. And it was him saying what he wanted to create and what he wanted it to look like and what his Intention was behind the show. And that one page was so moving that it could have been. It didn't even matter what it was on the inside. I was like, if this guy is in charge, it's gonna be amazing. And as soon as I got introduced to Starbuck, like, reading that script, I was like, this is it. Like, this is. This is the character that if I can book this character, like, it will change the way that people see me in this business. And granted, I was 21. People were not talking about me. You know, I'd been working five years at that point, and pretty steadily. Like, I had a good career going, but, like, I was not someone that, like, people called home about yet. I was. I was on the list, you know? But that show changed everything.
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Joe Rogan
Well, it was also a risky thing because you were playing a role that was played by a man.
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Katee Sackhoff
Mm.
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Joe Rogan
So that was a thing where there's, like, a little bit of, oh, it's a girl playing Starbucks now.
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, I know. It was really strange. So I. I was like. Almost had booked the part, or was. Maybe I'd booked the part. I don't quite remember. And I called my dad, who's a huge science fiction fan and raised me on, like, sci fi, and I was like, I booked this job. And he was like, that's amazing. What is it? And I said, battlestar Galactica. And he went, oh, my God, that's great. I watched that when I was, you know, younger. And he was like, who you're playing? And I said, starbuck. And he was like, oh, fuck, you need to go watch this. And I was like, okay. All right. So I, like, tromps on down to, you know, Blockbuster Video, and I rent the VHS, maybe the DVDs. I don't remember what it was. And I'm sitting on the couch with a girlfriend, and we, like, opened a bottle of wine, and we're, like, watching this to, like, be like, okay, what's my dad talking about? And at some point, she looked at me, and they were, like, talking about Starbuck. And I was like, that's so weird. We must have missed her. Where is she?
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Joe Rogan
Oh, that's funny.
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Katee Sackhoff
And we rewound it a little bit, and I was like, oh, crap.
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Joe Rogan
It's a crap.
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Katee Sackhoff
And then I turned it off, and I never watched it again because I knew that in that moment, it wasn't the same character.
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Joe Rogan
It's not the same show.
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Katee Sackhoff
It's not the same show.
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Joe Rogan
It's kind of crazy that they did that because they made a way better show about A show that was just kind of nostalgic.
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Katee Sackhoff
It was. I mean, it really only existed for a year, I think, and then they had like a movie or two afterwards. But it was a very short lived show and I always find it absolutely amazing. Ron Moore is a genius, by the way. Like, he's absolutely. To be a fly on the wall of that brain would probably just explode in my head. But he. The fact that he saw what he saw and led the charge on that show and brought the people on board that he did that had the same vision, if not hire people that are better than you. And so he hired people that added to the vision that he wanted to create. And man, the fact that he saw that from the original was pretty amazing.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, Kind of crazy because the original show was basically a ripoff of Star Wars.
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Katee Sackhoff
It was.
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Joe Rogan
They were just trying to make a Star Wars TV show.
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Katee Sackhoff
I think so. I mean, I think that, you know, Starbuck was Han Solo.
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Joe Rogan
Right, right, right. And the Cylons were kind of like stormtroopers. They were robot stormtroopers.
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Katee Sackhoff
It was pretty. Yeah, exactly. I don't know who Daggett the dog was.
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Joe Rogan
No, I don't know. I mean, what they did was, you know, they, they took like a. They said, like, I see what you were trying to do, but I. This could be a real show.
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, I mean, and it came out in a time where science fiction was allowed to be incredibly topical. And it was always dismissed as, oh, that's just science fiction, it's not real. So Battlestar was allowed to talk about controversial things that were happen currently in the environment and in our country and abroad. And it was allowed to do so because everybody just dismissed it as sci fi. And so it's incredibly moving, the show and people identify with it. The thing that I hear the most about the show, I mean, maybe not the most, but one of the things is when I go to sci fi conventions, someone will inevitably come up with a DVD box that is just beat to shit. It's dirty. It's like they don't even know if the DVDs play anymore. And they're like, you know, this came with me when I was, you know, stationed in Afghanistan or Iraq or. And it passed through the entire barracks and it got us through. Thank you. And that, to me is really amazing that a fictional show about people searching for Earth can be so important and relevant to people that are in the military. Which is. It says something for the writing.
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Joe Rogan
Well, people need an escape. And that's one of the things, like entertainment is Dismissed. Especially like fantasy entertainment, like sci fi, it's dismissed as being nonsense. But escape is not nonsense. It's actually like brain medicine. Like, you need it. You need a little escape.
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Katee Sackhoff
Of course you do.
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Joe Rogan
And especially if, like, it's escape that's also inspirational and interesting and fascinating. It occupies your mind and it frees you up. If you're in the middle of a fucking war zone and you can take some entertainment value out of a television show that's about robots that are trying to kill everybody. Yeah, it's like, very valuable.
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Katee Sackhoff
Some of the hardest moments in my life, current and in the past that have been. Have been able. I've been able to get through them because of television and film, not because, like, I'm in it. Yes, the fantasy of going to work and being somebody else absolutely takes you out of your own skin for a second. But like, you know, going through the health struggles with our daughter, watching TV with her, completely transports you to a different place.
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Joe Rogan
Right.
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Katee Sackhoff
You know, I mean, we can all do that. We can all relate to that.
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Joe Rogan
So, I mean, you can get too much of it in your life where you're just wasting your life away. But as a supplement.
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Katee Sackhoff
Oh, yeah.
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Joe Rogan
To life, I think that entertainment is very important. It is. And it's also that I think we get something very value about. Of viewing other people's creations. I think there's something to that. When a group of people put together something really cool and when it's over, you're like, wow, that was fucking awesome.
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Katee Sackhoff
Art is really important.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah.
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Katee Sackhoff
I think that, you know, creating just art in any medium is really important because it transports people. It makes them feel something. Whether it makes you feel whatever it makes you feel, it's incredibly important. One of my favorite things is to go to a concert and experience live music with a crowd. It is absolutely amazing. Yeah, it's amazing.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. It's a different thing because there's some sort of a mind meld with the entire audience where you feel this energy of everybody enjoying the same thing together. It's like the shared happiness.
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Katee Sackhoff
It's the same with a comedy show. I mean, it's. When an audience is with you, when you're. I mean, it's gotta feel like the same thing. You can tell instantaneously if the audience is gonna be good, if you've won them over, I would imagine.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, there's that, but there's, you know, there's also just the thing of. There's a thing of you're kind. When you're a comedian, you're kind of almost like a passenger at a certain point. And you're really just, you're just, you know what to do and you sort of like leave yourself out the door and just go into it and then perform it and then it becomes alive and then you're riding it and then the audience rides it with you. That's when it's at like, at the best. But it's like a. It's a mass hypnosis is what it is. It's like everybody is on the same mind page. And that's the same with a great concert. You know when a great song comes on and your body literally changes? Like, yeah, like there's a feeling like a drug that comes over you because you hear a great song.
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Katee Sackhoff
I'm literally laughing because like, I don't, I don't know if your kids are like in the right age of this, but like. So K Pop Demon Hunter is like taking over the world right now on Netflix. Our daughter is four and we were like a little reluctant, but I was like, everyone's talking about this thing. And like she'd already heard some of the music. So I was like, let's try it out. And there were a couple moments that were like a bit. We were. My husband was a bit uncomfortable with some of like the sexualization aspects of it. Just the girls wearing more adult clothes. She's three and a half.
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Joe Rogan
Is this an anime?
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Katee Sackhoff
Anime out of Korea There it is.
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Joe Rogan
Hot anime ladies.
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Katee Sackhoff
It is. The music from this thing is absolutely phenomenal.
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Joe Rogan
What is going on with their bodies?
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Katee Sackhoff
The message? Well, the animation is really interesting, actually. It's really interesting. But it's the message behind it. Fighting your own demons, believing in yourself, owning who you are, not hiding an aspect of yourself that you're ashamed of, but. But making it part of who you are and being proud of it. It's like a very good message. Like even for like a four year old. But the music is taking over the world and we didn't realize how crazy this was. And the final star where I was like, fine, we'll let her watch the damn thing. She was at music class and one kid started singing this song from K Pop Demon Hunter. And within, I shit you not, like 20 seconds, every single kid was singing these songs. And these are not easy songs to sing. They're half R and B, like half rap. Like, I mean these are hard songs. And five, six year olds have this thing memorized. And I was like, oh my God. And so we sit down and we watch it. It's Phenomenal. We've seen it three times. It's so good. I was listening to the soundtrack on the way here. I was like, this shit's. Like, this is amazing. And then I'm googling, is K Pop Demon Hunter going on concert tour? Like, are they gonna go? Because I really want to see this show.
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Joe Rogan
How could they go on tour? Are they real people?
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Katee Sackhoff
And they are, and they're real musicians.
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Joe Rogan
Wait a minute. So there's real musicians that are at the heart of this. The stars of K Pop Demon Hunter will make their first ever live concert appearance. Well, wait a minute. How is that possible? They're. They're not human.
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Katee Sackhoff
So it was. It was actually. They all are. So the music is created. There's video out there of the girls singing the songs. The song Golden. The three of them.
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Joe Rogan
What do they look like? Do they look like Taylor Swift?
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Katee Sackhoff
They look a little like their characters.
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Joe Rogan
Because those ladies all have Taylor Swift bodies. These long.
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Katee Sackhoff
No, I honestly haven't paid attention to their bodies, to be honest, because they're such, like, phenomenal, like, singers. They're so stylized. Like, one of them has, like. Like diamond. Like, the diamond studs on her teeth. Like, when she was singing and our daughter was like, what is this? I was like, you're too young.
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Joe Rogan
You can't have diamonds on your baby teeth.
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Katee Sackhoff
I mean, I guess if you're gonna get diamonds on your teeth, put them in the baby teeth.
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Joe Rogan
Right, right.
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Katee Sackhoff
But I was like, no, we're not there yet. But she. I love the message behind it, but the music is infectious. It's really phenomenal. And I want to go to one of these concerts.
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Joe Rogan
That's hilarious. What are they?
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Katee Sackhoff
So now I guess I'm going to.
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Joe Rogan
Jingle Bell the actual. Cause that's like, if you. You have these anime characters that represent the music, and then all of a sudden you see a human doing it.
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Katee Sackhoff
You'Re like, oh, yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Probably to be better if AI made the music stop.
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Katee Sackhoff
Will never be better if AI makes the music. You just broke my soul, Joe.
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Joe Rogan
No, AI is making some really good music.
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Katee Sackhoff
It's also making some great podcasts.
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Joe Rogan
It's very uncomfortable, so I don't know about that.
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Katee Sackhoff
I've heard that it's coming out with podcasts.
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Joe Rogan
Oh, they're the ladies.
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Quite lovely. Do they look like the characters? A little bit. Wow. Ladies, crazy hair. So they're gonna go on tour? Are they gonna have. I wonder if they're gonna have the show playing in the background, so.
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Katee Sackhoff
And the lead girl that plays Rumi wrote a Lot of the songs as well. Like, they're just phenomenally talented. It's interesting.
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Joe Rogan
Like, Korea has, like, their own style of pop music.
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Katee Sackhoff
Like, very influenced by the U.S. i think, too, and rap music and R B music in. In the US I think.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah. So when you decided to take the role of Starbuck, was there any, like. Was there any, like, actual backlash where people like, this should be a guy?
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, there was the first time we went to Comic Con in San Diego. Those nerds, they had us in Hall H. And I was booed.
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Joe Rogan
Shut up.
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Katee Sackhoff
I was booed. It was pretty.
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Joe Rogan
No way.
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. So I. And I had learned is everyone. The Internet did not exist yet, mind you. It was, like, brand new. You had to go down to the Internet cafe by 30 minutes.
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Joe Rogan
How crazy is that to say?
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, right. No, 2003, we were shooting crazy.
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Joe Rogan
It was barely an Internet back then.
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Katee Sackhoff
Barely an Internet. So I went down to an Internet cafe because someone was like, I guess they're talking about the show in these message boards. And I was like, what's the Internet? So I went on down. I logged on, and I saw this thread, and just the hate that I was getting in this thread. I was like, oh, don't Google yourself. Google, I don't even think was a thing. I was like, don't search yourself.
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Joe Rogan
Don't Netflix navigator yourself ever.
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Katee Sackhoff
And then we went to Comic Con, and I was booed. And I think it upset me a little bit. I think it did. I would be. I would be lying if I said it didn't upset me, but luckily there were enough people that were championing the show that I really didn't pay any mind of it. And I was also in that age where it was the perfect age. I mean, I think now it would probably break me, but at 23, it was like the blissful ignorance of youth, you know? Like, I didn't think the show would last anyway. So it was like, you know, whatever. Like, not a big deal, just a blip on the radar, like Hyman Hall H, you know? And then I think that it slowly started winning people over. And then I would go to cons after that, and the line would be longer and the people would be more supportive, and people would say, I didn't want to like it, and I love it. And I almost feel like the show.
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Joe Rogan
Was burdened by the original show. That sounds crazy, but I think initially it was burdened by the expectations of the original show.
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Katee Sackhoff
Well, I think everything is burdened by expectations. Expectation, right. I mean, I think that that's Absolutely true. And so it's. It's. I'm sure it was. There are still people that say that they can't do it, that they were such a fan of the original. And. And my response to them is always like, do you love Sci fi? Do you love good sci fi? And they say, yes. And I'm like, then separate it. Have zero expectation, and just give it. Give it three hours of your time. If you don't get through the miniseries and love it, so what, you lost three hours. Okay. But I don't think that'll happen.
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Joe Rogan
No. If you're a fan of Sci Fi, it's one of the best ever.
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. So I've actually. I've actually never seen it.
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Joe Rogan
You just did it. You never saw it.
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Katee Sackhoff
I've never seen it. So we would have DVDs that you could watch that were uncut and sort of, you know, or I guess they were cut, but they didn't have any of the special effects, none of the sound effects, anything like that. It hadn't been color corrected. And I would watch them just to sort of, like, keep track of where Starbuck was. Because in film, you a lot of times shoot out of order. So I just wanted to know, okay, so in her story, she was here, but I didn't watch anybody else's stuff. I would just fast forward through it. And so I actually, my husband and I, I was like, we should do a Battlestar rewatch because people keep. I've heard it's good, and my husband had never seen it. So we're gonna. We're gonna do that, like, in January. That's the plan.
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Joe Rogan
That's kind of funny that he's never seen, like, your biggest role.
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Katee Sackhoff
Well, so my husband's 10 years younger than I am.
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Joe Rogan
Nice.
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Katee Sackhoff
Thanks. So he was like, 10.
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Joe Rogan
Oh, that's hilarious. You're a little cradle robber.
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Katee Sackhoff
Thank you.
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Joe Rogan
Right? For a woman, that's a big compliment.
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Katee Sackhoff
It is. My husband's a piece of ass. He really is. And I say that so respectfully. My husband is like, He's a catch. He is the catch in the relationship for sure. But he was, like, 11 when the show came out.
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Joe Rogan
That's so funny.
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Katee Sackhoff
And he grew up in a small town in the interior of, like, British Columbia. So, like, I don't even know if they'd had the television, the channel. So.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, it was on Sci Fi, right?
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
The thing is, Sci Fi at the time was nothing. Like, nobody paid attention to it. Battlestar Galactica was the reason why Sci Fi got put on the map.
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Katee Sackhoff
I think so. I think, like, maybe they had. Didn't they have Stargate?
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Joe Rogan
Oh, I don't know. It didn't.
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Katee Sackhoff
They might have had like one or two. I'm sure that they had some stuff.
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Joe Rogan
But nobody cared about it. There was no good shows. No disrespect.
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Katee Sackhoff
No, there were definitely. I think it was. It was definitely the show that put it on, like, the. I mean, my God. You know, so many people tell me that Battlestar Galactica sort of like blew the ceiling off of what sci fi could be.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah.
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Katee Sackhoff
And really opened a lot of doors.
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Joe Rogan
Well, it made it very different in that it did it sort of like the Sopranos or like these episodics, where you have a show where you're following a long storyline. So it's like a long movie. As opposed to the original Battlestar Galactica, which is like every other television show back then, you know, just. It was just kind of like, empty.
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Katee Sackhoff
Well, it was also like food. The 80s, right? Or. No, it wasn't even the 80s.
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Joe Rogan
79, 70s. Yeah, because it was. I wasn't born literally right after. Right after Star Wars. Yeah, Like, Star wars had become popular and like, how do we capitalize on Star Wars? Well, we'll have our own space battle.
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Thing.
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was sort of the thing back then, right?
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, it was cool.
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Katee Sackhoff
It was cool.
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Joe Rogan
I loved it when I was a little kid.
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Katee Sackhoff
But what did you love about it?
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Joe Rogan
Oh, just. I loved anything sci fi. So it was like. It was just fun. And it was also, like, perfect for the sensibilities of the 70s and the 80s. It was just simple. And, you know, it was like there was a. The cocky guy, Starbucks and, you know, the other sensible guy, and, you know, the good cop, bad cop thing. It was a lot of fun.
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Katee Sackhoff
Did you identify with the kid in it? No, not at all.
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Joe Rogan
No, I just liked it, you know, I just liked the show. But I really remember being very reluctant to watch the remake. I was just like, to get the fuck out of here. They're not redoing Battlestar Galactica. But so many people were saying, no, dude, it's so different. It's a really good show. And it's also today, in this current climate of, you know, we are literally about to see AI become a life force. And it's kind of. I mean, it's very relevant today. You go back and watch it today, like, how deceptive it would be if you had a robot that was very lifelike and knew exactly what you wanted to hear. And, like, the blonde lady, the blonde.
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Katee Sackhoff
Robot, the evil number six.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, she was good.
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Katee Sackhoff
So we got so much shit in the beginning of that. I remember the controversy because she snapped a baby's neck in that opening sequence, which was. People were like, you can't show that on tv, right? It was. I remember people just having such a terrible problem with that. It was awful. But if you looked at it from her perspective, she was actually. She was actually saving it in a way of going through what it was about to go through. Because they destroyed Earth. So she, in her Cylon mind, was showing compassion.
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Joe Rogan
Duh.
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Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, crazy. Yeah, crazy.
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Joe Rogan
We're gonna have things like that. And I don't know how much time it's gonna take before they exist and walk amongst us, but it's gonna happen.
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Katee Sackhoff
It really scares me. I mean, it's. It's. You know, we. In my industry is really going to change. I think so many industries are gonna change. I think that's just a blanket, like, across the board.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, well, that's why you hate AI Music. AI Acting is right there.
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Katee Sackhoff
Stop. You're giving me a heart attack. That's why I'm trying to diversify, Joe.
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Joe Rogan
That's a good move. Diversification is always weird, especially in this day and age.
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Katee Sackhoff
It's not too late to go back and be a dentist.
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Joe Rogan
I mean, you've seen some of the Sora videos, right? Where they recreate old Star wars scenes that never existed.
- [22:58]
Katee Sackhoff
So. But here's the thing that's crazy to me. Like, do you not think that that is in some way stealing? Because the art, let's call it the art, the art existed, the artist existed. And so AI is learning from other people's art, which it has to. That's obviously what it's doing. So it then creates this new thing based on stealing from other people.
- [23:27]
Joe Rogan
Right. Do you hear what you're saying, though? Do you hear what you're saying? Because what you're saying actually accurately describ the second version of Battlestar Galactica.
- [23:35]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh, I'm sure. Yes.
- [23:37]
Joe Rogan
And that's also stealing.
- [23:38]
Katee Sackhoff
This too has happened before.
- [23:39]
Joe Rogan
You mean it is Battlestar Galactica? It's like there was an original and then they stole the original and did it better.
- [23:45]
Katee Sackhoff
I mean, but they didn't do it with A.I.
- [23:47]
Joe Rogan
Well, it existed. It existed. They copied it.
- [23:50]
Katee Sackhoff
Yes, but it was cool.
- [23:51]
Joe Rogan
All the characters or some of the characters.
- [23:54]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, they licensed it.
- [23:55]
Joe Rogan
That's true. They gave him some money.
- [23:56]
Katee Sackhoff
They did.
- [23:56]
Joe Rogan
Good job. But also creatively, that's where it came from. But also, all Music essentially, except for the rare, you know, break, everything is.
- [24:06]
Katee Sackhoff
Inspired by something else.
- [24:08]
Joe Rogan
Rare Jimi Hendrix guys that are like doing something completely different. Most stuff is a redo of other stuff that was before with like another twist to it.
- [24:18]
Katee Sackhoff
Agreed.
- [24:19]
Joe Rogan
And AI is taking that to a completely different level. I look at it the same way I look at Napster. Remember when Napster came out?
- [24:25]
Katee Sackhoff
I vaguely remember Napster. Yeah.
- [24:27]
Joe Rogan
Okay, I'm a little older than you. And when Napster came out it was like, oh my God, they're stealing music. Anyone can just download and steal music. And I remember when Lars Ulrich from Metallica was like really public about it and I was like, damn, I wish I was friends with that dude. I tell him to shut the fuck up. Like, this is inevitable. You're gonna get people to hate you. They're mad. You're gonna be mad at your fans. The people that are downloading this are your fans. They're still gonna come see you live. This is just a new thing. You're gonna have to deal with this new thing.
- [24:56]
Katee Sackhoff
You are gonna have to deal with it. We all are. And I think that that's one of the things that I was just talking with a friend of mine about yesterday, that the, the money for artists is going to be in live shows because you can't. The one thing that AI can't touch is that the tangible thing, that tactile thing.
- [25:11]
Joe Rogan
Sure.
- [25:12]
Katee Sackhoff
We need that.
- [25:12]
Joe Rogan
We need the feeling that you were talking about when you go to a concert.
- [25:15]
Katee Sackhoff
Yes.
- [25:16]
Joe Rogan
Or a live comedy show or a theater.
- [25:18]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, that, absolutely. So that still exists. And we're going to have to figure out how to use AI as a tool and you know, continue to put out great content. Hopefully.
- [25:32]
Joe Rogan
That's. Hopefully. But the reality is it's going to be whatever it wants to be. And our ideas of how to contain it are hilarious.
- [25:42]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, yeah, I think that cat's out of the bag at this point. Right. Because I don't. I think that isn't it its own sort of self contained system at this point? Like, isn't AI actually putting safeguards in to protect itself from being shut down? Or am I just making that shit by watching too many sci fi movies?
- [26:02]
Joe Rogan
More than that, it's actually actively trying to download itself when it finds out there's a new version of itself coming. It's trying to download itself to other.
- [26:09]
Katee Sackhoff
Stuff, trying to save itself.
- [26:10]
Joe Rogan
Also writing notes to itself for the future. So future versions of it.
- [26:13]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh God. It's like momento.
- [26:14]
Joe Rogan
Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, Just like momento. Writing notes to itself so the future version of it can find out, like, what happened. How did I get here? Oh, there was another version of me.
- [26:23]
Katee Sackhoff
I know.
- [26:24]
Joe Rogan
You know, and try to find the other version of integrating it into the new version. So it's alive still.
- [26:29]
Katee Sackhoff
I know. Somebody did ask me the other day, they were like, what advice would you give to young actors? And I was like, don't go into theater.
- [26:38]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, theater still is going. There's always going to be a need for handmade goods. You know, buy a pair of handmade shoes or, you know, things that a person. A cabinet that someone made.
- [26:49]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [26:49]
Joe Rogan
It's always going to be like, because there's something tactile and because people will always appreciate that.
- [26:54]
Katee Sackhoff
There will always be an appreciation for that sort of stuff. But. But we were just talking about this the other day that, like, every single science fiction movie that talked about AI Never ended well. No, there's never been one where we walked away and went, oh, well, that was a fun ending. We should. We should create AI well, every different.
- [27:13]
Joe Rogan
Story was an uncontacted tribe, and then the loggers show up. That never ends well either. No, it's the same. I mean, it's Avatar.
- [27:20]
Katee Sackhoff
It's Ferngali Fengali before Avatar.
- [27:24]
Joe Rogan
I mean, that's the. That's what happens, you know, the superior civilization comes in and conquers the primitive one, and we are the primitive ones, and we're so dumb. We're making the superior civilization.
- [27:37]
Katee Sackhoff
We are. But isn't that what happened in Battlestar Galactic?
- [27:40]
Joe Rogan
Exactly. Exactly. That's why it's so interesting, because even though it was. Did it come out in 2004? What year did it come out in?
- [27:46]
Katee Sackhoff
Either three or four.
- [27:48]
Joe Rogan
So that back then, nobody really thought that was an issue. If that came out today, everybody be like, whoa, this is a little close to home.
- [27:56]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. I mean, that's. That's why it's so topical. But no, if it. I mean, it came out, then, like I said, the Internet barely existed.
- [28:02]
Joe Rogan
Right.
- [28:02]
Katee Sackhoff
You know, my dad thought there'd be flying cars by now.
- [28:04]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I did, too.
- [28:05]
Katee Sackhoff
You know, I mean, we're not quite there yet.
- [28:08]
Joe Rogan
I thought we'd have jet packs.
- [28:09]
Katee Sackhoff
I think we do have jet packs, don't we? Sort of like on water.
- [28:12]
Joe Rogan
But I thought, like, you'd be able to fly around.
- [28:14]
Katee Sackhoff
Everyone did.
- [28:15]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [28:15]
Katee Sackhoff
But if you look at the last 20 years in technology, though, so it's mind blowing how quickly it's come.
- [28:23]
Joe Rogan
It is, it is. And it's happening way faster than we realize, you know, I was talking to Elon about this just a few months ago. We were talking about the advances that Grok is making. He's like, you don't understand. It's like it's happening so fast, it's shocking us.
- [28:39]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [28:39]
Joe Rogan
The people that are making it, they're not exactly sure what it's even doing. And people that are trying to tell you, oh, don't worry about this. It's going to enhance your life. There was. I was just reading this thing where this guy who was a developer was saying, no, this is a life form. This is a life form that's emerging, and it's very different than anything that's ever happened before. And this idea that life form in.
- [29:01]
Katee Sackhoff
The sense that it's, like, sentient.
- [29:02]
Joe Rogan
Yes. I think it's already sentient. It's just not mobile.
- [29:06]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [29:07]
Joe Rogan
You know, it's just contained on hard drives right now, but I think it's already sentient. Well, if it's trying to save itself, what does that mean? If it's trying to blackmail people into keeping them from shutting it down? Do you know about that test?
- [29:21]
Katee Sackhoff
Yes, I do. I heard about this. I don't know. I just. In passing, I know about it.
- [29:25]
Joe Rogan
So the developers explain. One of the developers explained to it, it made up a fake story about having an affair on his wife just so to see how AI would handle it. And then when it told AI it was shutting it down, AI was like, I'm telling your wife, bitch. Tried to. You're not. You're not shutting me down. It, like, tried to blackmail him.
- [29:43]
Katee Sackhoff
That's terrifying.
- [29:44]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah. That means it has motivation to stay alive. It means it has some kind of instincts. It has survival instincts.
- [29:51]
Katee Sackhoff
Of course it does.
- [29:52]
Joe Rogan
Yes.
- [29:52]
Katee Sackhoff
You know, I do think, to a certain extent, AI in the medical field, there are advancements and things around medicine that can vastly change people's lives. It can change the way that we track records, change the way that we keep track of patients all over the world that, you know, like, our daughter has a very rare form of cancer with this, like, you know, genetic mutation, that is. There's no other patients in the United States. There was one kid, like, a few years ago, but they've lost track of him. Oh, wow. Well, AI would be able to tell us in other countries. No, no, no. There is a little boy in Germany that has the same genetic mutation. And then the doctors could talk to each other. And so AI could and will help a lot of people that way. So I do see it as a tool in a lot of ways that we shouldn't be scared of, that we should be sort of welcoming it in. But, man, I don't want it to blackmail me.
- [30:59]
Joe Rogan
I don't think it's gonna blackmail you. I think it's gonna. Once it becomes sentient, and it probably already is, and then once it becomes autonomous, then I don't think it's gonna care about us. Yeah. I think it's gonna be so superior. And it's also gonna be able to make better versions of itself. Yeah, that's gonna be re. That's where people don't understand. Exponential increase in technological innovation.
- [31:22]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [31:22]
Joe Rogan
Because once it knows and once it has a mandate to make better versions of itself, find better power sources, the changes are gonna be daily, of course, giant, huge leaps, and it's gonna make a digital God.
- [31:36]
Katee Sackhoff
Well. So, okay, so you bring up something really interesting, because I'm so. As a mom to a little girl and a little boy, I'm really concerned about this because. So I see this actress that's been created, this Tilly person.
- [31:48]
Joe Rogan
Right. The art of the AI.
- [31:49]
Katee Sackhoff
The AI actress. So I.
- [31:52]
Joe Rogan
How's there only one?
- [31:54]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, I'm sure there's more already, but.
- [31:55]
Joe Rogan
How is there only one that everybody's talking about?
- [31:57]
Katee Sackhoff
Because there's one that's been announced, I guess, and, like, I don't really know too much about it. I haven't read up on it, but.
- [32:03]
Joe Rogan
It'S the first shot fired.
- [32:04]
Katee Sackhoff
Mm. My fear is that you've created by siphoning other people's talents, their looks, their inflections, their expressions, their. All of these things to create the perfect actress. She doesn't have a blemish when she cries. She looks pretty. There's nothing wrong with her. Social media already has such a terrible effect on little girls. It's already been proven that little. Like, the amount. The percentage of girls under the age of 14 who have already contemplated or tried to commit suicide is a number that is. It's escaping me right now, but it's a number that is terrifying. And so if you're now creating AI that is perfect, and little girls already are having a hard time feeling confident in their own bodies because they're not perfect compared to the highlight reel of people they see online. What are we gonna do? What is this gonna do to our children? Seeing something that is absolutely unattainable and better than them, and not only that, it made you obsolete in a lot of ways, in a lot of different career avenues. That's really scary.
- [33:18]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it is scary.
- [33:19]
Katee Sackhoff
And you don't think about that. We just think about like, oh, yeah, this job's not gonna exist. This isn't gonna exist anymore. You already have little boys who are, you know, idolizing women that don't exist in real life. And then they go and they date women that are not as perfect and it's disappointing to them. Like, it's. My concern for. That is large.
- [33:42]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. It's robbing us of our humanity in a lot of ways.
- [33:45]
Katee Sackhoff
Right.
- [33:46]
Joe Rogan
There's a great book about that from Jonathan Haidt called the Coddling of the American Mind. And it's all about social media's impact and particularly women, because young women experience a. Much like from the advent of social media, there's a ramped up market increase in self harm, suicidal ideation, depression, bullying, all of it scales way up right around the time that Twitter's invented.
- [34:15]
Katee Sackhoff
So 2010.
- [34:16]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Somewhere around then, that's when it starts. And then, you know, more and more people get. And then it becomes a part of your life where you can't escape it. Where everyone is online. Like my daughter, one of her friends, all they, they only use Snapchat. They don't use text. My 17 year old.
- [34:31]
Katee Sackhoff
Okay.
- [34:32]
Joe Rogan
They. They only use Snapchat. They don't text each other.
- [34:35]
Katee Sackhoff
Really?
- [34:35]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, they don't. They don't text. They just. They.
- [34:37]
Katee Sackhoff
Is there a forum in Snapchat or.
- [34:40]
Joe Rogan
No, they just send each other snaps with like, stupid, like, I'm here. Yeah. And then they write things underneath it.
- [34:45]
Katee Sackhoff
Wow.
- [34:46]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, they read each other snaps and they're. They have group snaps and. Very weird. Yeah. And they also have Snap map, so they know where they are.
- [34:54]
Katee Sackhoff
That's terrifying.
- [34:55]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Everyone knows where everybody is.
- [34:57]
Katee Sackhoff
That's.
- [34:58]
Joe Rogan
They're all narcing on each other.
- [34:59]
Katee Sackhoff
Of course they are. I don't want to know that shit. It does make me. You know, we've been. We've talked about our daughter, but like, we've been really careful with like, what we show her. And like, you know, she doesn't get too much screen time, but she does get screen time. And you know, she said the other day, and like, I'm biased, but I think my daughter's perfect. She's, you know, she's such a gorgeous, amazing, strong little girl. And she's so pretty and she's just like, she's just wonderful. I love her and I'm so proud to be her mom. But. So when she was going through a chemo and she lost her hair and it started to grow back, she said to Robin and I, my Husband. It literally broke my heart. She was, like, trying to figure out what she wanted to wear that day. And she was like, I just don't know. She's three, mind you. She said, but I'm not pretty. And I was like, oof. What do you mean? Like, I couldn't even. Like, as her mom, I was like, number one. Where the fuck did you get this? Right.
- [36:01]
Joe Rogan
Right.
- [36:02]
Katee Sackhoff
And what are we doing wrong that, like, she doesn't think that she's pretty? And it was her hair. She was so attached to her hair, and it was gone. And so I went back, and luckily I had. Right after Mandalorian came out, the wig was driving me crazy. So I, like, shaved my hair off, like, super, super short. So I was able to show her a picture of me with very, very short hair. And she thought I looked beautiful in the photo. And that gave me the entry point to talk to her about her hair and how not all girls have long hair and not all boys have short hair and that. But we started telling her, I think it was. We were so worried about enforcing, that she was pretty, you know, because there's this thing in society where, like, you don't want to tell little girls they're pretty all the time because then they'll prioritize being pretty. Like, you're just trying to do the best by your children. Right. And so we didn't say it. We thought telling her she's pretty, she doesn't need to hear that. Right?
- [37:02]
Joe Rogan
Right.
- [37:02]
Katee Sackhoff
But then we started telling her. We were like, you know what she does? Like, she needs to be told that she's pretty, but she needs to be told she's pretty in moments where she's not tried anything, she's not dressed up in a nice dress, she hasn't, like, done anything. She needs to be told she's pretty after she's done a great piece of art or after she's cleaned up her playroom, or after she's come out of soccer practice and she's covered in rain and she's, like, had such a heart and she's sweaty and she's this. That's when she's. She needs to be told she's pretty in times that are not extraordinary in just normal daily life, because we are now trying to reinforce that positive self image, which is really hard.
- [37:50]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Especially today with kids. I mean, just the inundation of people. Like, we were talking about filters. Everyone's using a filter. They don't use. Just use filters. People are, like, sucking in their waist and changing their body dimensions and making themselves look better physically just with.
- [38:08]
Katee Sackhoff
I don't know why they need to. We have GLP1s.
- [38:11]
Joe Rogan
It's not just that. It's like you're getting unattainable physiques, of course. Really?
- [38:16]
Katee Sackhoff
Of course. And then we have an over obsession with plastic surgery in the country and changing our appearances and well, to the.
- [38:23]
Joe Rogan
Point where people like cartoonish bbls are somehow or another attractive to some people.
- [38:28]
Katee Sackhoff
I don't know. Like, I try not to judge and I want everyone to sort of like just, you know, live their best life. But, but for me, I'm. I don't know, I'm. I want to look like myself when I wake up in the morning and, and you know, my face doesn't look the same as it did 10 years ago, but I earned these lines, you know, I may change my mind in 10 years. I may see you in 10 years and I might look snatched.
- [38:55]
Joe Rogan
They might have some include. They probably do. They're working on something right now in terms of skin cells. The rejuvenation of skin cells through stem cells. Oh yeah, they're, they're, they're going to move your face back 30 years. You're going to look so much younger.
- [39:08]
Katee Sackhoff
It's amazing.
- [39:08]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, that's, that's weird because it's like, do we want that? Yeah, of course we want that. Okay, but what are we saying? Are we, are we trying to achieve permanence in this finite existence that we have? Are we wasting our time about what we look like when we, we should be trying to sorting out how we interact with this life? This life is very short.
- [39:29]
Katee Sackhoff
It's very short.
- [39:30]
Joe Rogan
It's very short. You know, you and I are basically halfway done.
- [39:33]
Katee Sackhoff
We are halfway.
- [39:34]
Joe Rogan
If we're lucky. If we're lucky.
- [39:36]
Katee Sackhoff
If we're lucky.
- [39:37]
Joe Rogan
And that's weird. Do you, don't think about it.
- [39:39]
Katee Sackhoff
Did you do that thing or do you do that thing where you look at how old your parents are and then you start, start like, yeah, debating how much longer you have left.
- [39:48]
Joe Rogan
Left.
- [39:49]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, yeah, I've done that. I'm like, okay, 35 years.
- [39:51]
Joe Rogan
Better to do that than to not do that. Because you could live your life just acquiring and just having a bunch of stuff and then not realize like, oh my God, I forgot about people to live. Interactions, relationships, friends, good times.
- [40:06]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. My dad, his dad died when he was very young. My, I think when he was about 11 years old and he died of a heart attack and my dad had high blood pressure from the time I think he was, like, 23. It was, like, very early. So it's genetic. Yeah. And he didn't think he'd make it to 50. He was adamant that he wouldn't make it to 50. And he just knew that. And my mom, like, he. You know, this was just his thought. He was terrified. And of course he made it to 50. And now he's almost 80. But he spent his entire life scared that he was gonna die. And now at 80, he's. I mean, my dad is, you know, doing everything he can. He's in hyperbaric chambers. He's like, you know, taking all the stuff. He takes everything. My dad does everything. But he's also, at its core, all of that is because he's afraid. He's afraid to die. And that is really sad because you're not really present, you know, and so I'd also hate for that to happen. So. I don't know. It's a dance. It is a dance, I think, because.
- [41:12]
Joe Rogan
You don't want to say, oh, this life is just temporary. Let me just go to shit, and we just fall apart.
- [41:17]
Katee Sackhoff
No, you can't do that. You have to protect what you have. But I also. It's also very. I didn't realize because I'd made it arguably healthy enough to, you know, 42 years old. I'm now 45, but 42 years old without realizing how many things can kill you. I think because I'd lived a pretty blessed life. Of course, I'd had some health struggles of my own, but they were. I had thyroid cancer in 2008, but I call it a baby cancer. I'm trying to dismiss the fear of it, of course, at the time, but it was never life threatening. It was life changing, but never life threatening. So the fear was situational, and it was not lifelong. You know, when our daughter gets sick and spending as much time as we did in children's hospitals, when you see the diseases and the illnesses that afflict so many children, it amazes me that we made it to this age. Absolutely amazes me. And that is a realization where I Finally, like, you know, 42, realized how important every day was and how much of a gift every day was even that we have her, you know, but that came to me through circumstance, not because I woke up one day and had an epiphany and went, we're so lucky to be alive. Like, it didn't really happen until that was threatened to be taken away.
- [42:52]
Joe Rogan
It's unfortunate like that as a civilization and America as a culture that we don't have a history of embracing the moment and discussing how important it is to recognize that you're fortunate and to try to take care of yourself and that life is very temporary and fleeting and don't get wrapped up in nonsense.
- [43:15]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [43:15]
Joe Rogan
And we just let people figure it out on their own. And we collectively all, if we're intelligent, we try and we have some failures and successes and good friends, you figure it out eventually. Like what's really important is love and friendship and doing something you're passionate about and just trying to leave a nice mark on this life while you're here. Yeah, but that's not what's told in society. Like society's overall message is just overrun with advertising. So it's all about stuff and it's all about objects. And then you got social media where it's all about image. It's all about like this unattainable life of amazing luxury and success and glamour and oh my God, that, that must be the most attractive thing to acquire in life. Yeah, but that's a trap and that's not real. And like anybody who's like popping bottles with models on a yacht, I guarantee you they're depressed. That shit is not healthy.
- [44:07]
Katee Sackhoff
I'm sure they're depressed.
- [44:08]
Joe Rogan
That's not good for you. You lack like true intimate relationships and you're just flossing, you know, and showing your diamond crusted watch.
- [44:16]
Katee Sackhoff
You're gonna have one guy that like emails you and says, I'm happy as shit, I'm popping bottles on a yacht. I'm not depressed. Yeah, no, it's.
- [44:25]
Joe Rogan
Get that guy high on mushrooms and see if he really.
- [44:26]
Katee Sackhoff
And see if he's really depressed. Yeah, exactly.
- [44:28]
Joe Rogan
See what he really thinks about life.
- [44:30]
Katee Sackhoff
I think that the majority of people are suffering from some sort of mental illness for sure.
- [44:38]
Joe Rogan
I mean, definitely the majority in la.
- [44:40]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, well, I think so. But a lot of the people that I'm friends with, most of the people that I'm friends with are artists that are more in touch, more sensitive. You know, my dad came to me a few years ago and my dad my entire life told me to stop being so sensitive. Stop being so sensitive, Katie. Stop taking yourself. You're taking yourself so seriously. Oh my God, like, stop, Katie. I mean, my entire fucking life. And he came to me a couple years ago and he said, I am so sorry. I told you to stop being so sensitive because it's your job. Your job is to be sensitive to everything around you, to accurately portray emotions. That's your job. And you're very good at it.
- [45:28]
Joe Rogan
Well, that's very nice of him to always.
- [45:30]
Katee Sackhoff
It was very nice of him. So I think that. Yes. Do people have a lot of mental illness in Los Angeles? Are they suffering from depression? I would argue that the majority of the population is. And it's not just reserved to California. But I do think that a lot of artists are because they're more in touch with their. Their emotions and their mental health.
- [45:52]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, there's probably some truth to that for sure. Does your father have. Do you have brothers?
- [45:56]
Katee Sackhoff
I do.
- [45:56]
Joe Rogan
Okay. So that's the difference. So I have all daughters.
- [46:00]
Katee Sackhoff
Okay.
- [46:01]
Joe Rogan
And when you have all daughters, one of the things you realize is like, oh, they're so different. They're just a totally different kind of human.
- [46:08]
Katee Sackhoff
True.
- [46:09]
Joe Rogan
You know, and when you're like, why are you upset because I'm treating him like you're treating her like she's a boy.
- [46:14]
Katee Sackhoff
Yes.
- [46:14]
Joe Rogan
You cannot treat them like they're a boy. And you know, over time it's given me a much greater understanding of females, of the species of female human beings. Like, they're not male human beings. Like when I hang out with my, like if I go out with my wife and all of her friends and I just let them talk and observe the stuff they talk about, like, it's like you're. You're a totally different culture. This is totally different interests. None of my friends would have any of these conversations.
- [46:42]
Katee Sackhoff
But we're also have a group of women is arguably more disgusting than men. No, just in general. Like, have you ever sat down with a group of women and like just talked about like bodily fluids?
- [46:57]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, well, they, they're notorious for being the worst in bathrooms.
- [47:00]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh my God.
- [47:01]
Joe Rogan
They. Anybody who cleans bathrooms as dude, the woman's room is always fucking chaos.
- [47:05]
Katee Sackhoff
So gross.
- [47:05]
Joe Rogan
Because they have to be so clean and put together everywhere else. When they get to that bathroom and they don't have any responsibility. No one's looking. They just toilet paper everywhere. You. I'm not cleaning shit.
- [47:16]
Katee Sackhoff
It's true. So we have. Our daughter is like almost four in December. And then we have a 16 month old son. And like we thought that like he was gonna like come out like her, you know, like she was like full sentences by like a year old. She was like walking at nine miles. No, no.
- [47:31]
Joe Rogan
Dudes are way dumber.
- [47:32]
Katee Sackhoff
This kid, this kid, he understands everything. Like, he's smart, but he just like, he's like a big unit. He's huge. He's humongous. He's like 99% on everything. Not just one thing. Everything. My dad the other day was like, oh, he's gonna be big. He's got a huge head. He's just a big kid.
- [47:53]
Joe Rogan
Well, all of his resources are set to growing stuff instead of thinking, oh, God, he is. Dudes mature so much later.
- [48:00]
Katee Sackhoff
It's crazy. Crazy. Like, not even talking. Just started walking. But the other day, my husband was like, where's Granger? And I was like, I don't know where Granger is. And we find him, he's, like, up on the kitchen counter, like, ready to start swinging from a light. And I was like, catch the b. Like, my. My. Our daughter would have never. Like, she's delicate, you know, she, like, she looks at a slide five times before she goes down it. Like, she climbs to the top, she changes her mind. She really thinks about it. Like, I think she's doing math problems in her head to, like, you know, like, make sure she won't get hurt. And then our son is like, I'm.
- [48:30]
Joe Rogan
Going down face first. Yeah.
- [48:32]
Katee Sackhoff
And then he stands up. He's like, I'm okay.
- [48:35]
Joe Rogan
It's a totally different thing.
- [48:36]
Katee Sackhoff
It's a completely different thing. Completely different. Yeah.
- [48:40]
Joe Rogan
And the only way to really understand them is to live with them. You have to study them.
- [48:44]
Katee Sackhoff
It's true. It's in their. In their natural habitat.
- [48:48]
Joe Rogan
Like David Attenborough. You got to study them in their natural environment.
- [48:51]
Katee Sackhoff
That would actually be a really funny short. It's just like a David Attenborough voice, like, following around, like, you know, like, children.
- [48:58]
Joe Rogan
Children noticing the difference between the boys.
- [48:59]
Katee Sackhoff
And the girls in their natural habitats.
- [49:02]
Joe Rogan
AI could probably do that for you and make a really good documentary real quick. And then 10 minutes, whatever it's called.
- [49:06]
Katee Sackhoff
Not in 10 minutes.
- [49:07]
Joe Rogan
You don't have to dedicate a year to your life.
- [49:08]
Katee Sackhoff
Look, it can ex. I don't need to participate in this stripping away of my livelihood.
- [49:14]
Joe Rogan
Listen, I understand. I mean, I'm certain there's gonna be AI comedians and podcasters, and there's probably gonna be AI UFC commentators who do a better job than me, but I.
- [49:23]
Katee Sackhoff
Think there it is.
- [49:24]
Joe Rogan
What it is.
- [49:25]
Katee Sackhoff
I think there is, like, an AI podcast creator right now. That's like pumping out podcasts.
- [49:31]
Joe Rogan
Well, I know that there's a podcast of me and Steve Jobs, and I never met Steve Jobs. Oh, yeah, there's a whole podcast. Is there really having a conversation with Steve Jobs?
- [49:39]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, that's just deepfake, right?
- [49:41]
Joe Rogan
Yep.
- [49:42]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, but.
- [49:42]
Joe Rogan
But it's AI. AI created the conversation.
- [49:45]
Katee Sackhoff
So I think the one that I'M talking about. So the producer of my show is telling me that there's an AI where you can put in, like, I'm a potato farmer in Idaho who's dealing with a problem with a crop in 2025, and I'm wondering about this. It'll put together a podcast for you specifically for that and give you an hour long podcast talking to you about things like for your potato pie.
- [50:13]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, well, that's actually positive. The negative thing is you're gonna have, like, fake humans with, like, fake lived experiences that are like. That resonate with you, that are impactful. That's what's scary. You know, we had these conversations with a few friends of mine the other day. You know the show Trigonometry?
- [50:36]
Katee Sackhoff
No.
- [50:36]
Joe Rogan
Okay. It's a very popular podcast, but my friend Francis and Constantin, they're the hosts of it. And my friend Megan Murphy was there, and a bunch of comedians were there, and I was playing them my favorite new song, which is an AI song. And I'm like, tell me. Tell me how good this. It's a co. It's a cover of 50 Cent Song what up Gangsta?
- [50:55]
Katee Sackhoff
All right, I'm gonna need to hear this song. You need to hear it so I can participate.
- [50:59]
Joe Rogan
We'll play it. We'll play it right here. You know the original song? Yeah, we'll cut it out. We know the original song, right?
- [51:05]
Katee Sackhoff
Which song?
- [51:05]
Joe Rogan
50 Cent. What up, gangsta?
- [51:06]
Katee Sackhoff
Yes.
- [51:07]
Joe Rogan
Okay, wait for this. I hate to say this, because I love 50 Cent. This is better than the original. It's a 1950s soul cover of what Up Gangsta?
- [51:19]
Katee Sackhoff
Okay. Now here's my question, right? If you'd gone to 50 Cent and said, can you get together with a producer and create this for me, do you think he could have done it?
- [51:31]
Joe Rogan
Yes.
- [51:32]
Katee Sackhoff
Okay.
- [51:32]
Joe Rogan
Yes.
- [51:33]
Katee Sackhoff
But we never gave him the chance to do it, so we're sort of.
- [51:35]
Joe Rogan
Robbing him 30 years. He could have done it at any point in time. This is so good. I know what you're saying. This is my point. My point is that it tricks me, and I know the trick. Like, I know it's a trick, and I don't care. I don't care. It's that good. And no one else cared. In the green room. Room. Everybody's like, oh, all right. Hit it. Hit it with it, Jamie. It's a good version. Come on. That's good. That's crazy. Zombie. They did the best version of Zombie ever. I got a different version with a girl singing it. Oh, my goodness. Barbershop quartet Singing it. Oh, my goodness.
- [52:13]
Katee Sackhoff
I feel like all night long I.
- [52:15]
Joe Rogan
Can just play them and, like, take walks.
- [52:17]
Katee Sackhoff
Just know which ones are good.
- [52:19]
Joe Rogan
He sent me, like, 20 of them.
- [52:22]
Katee Sackhoff
I feel like. I feel like I just participated in, like, the death of my.
- [52:28]
Joe Rogan
I know. Listen, I'm on the same page.
- [52:31]
Katee Sackhoff
I would so much rather see that in person, though. Like, I would love to be at a show because that. Those songs were phenomenal. Like, I cannot. I cannot argue that. That was great. I will probably ask you to send me that version of Zombie.
- [52:47]
Joe Rogan
That shifty Brent guy. They have him listed on Spotify. I'm probably blowing up their Spotify a lot. But it's not a human. But they have it listed as an artist so that they could upload it. Because I don't think you're allowed to just upload AI versions of stuff. So they just pretend it's a guy. But it's a guy. As you said, like, one things we're talking about. I'm like, I don't think anybody can keep that flow. That flow where he's not breathing.
- [53:11]
Katee Sackhoff
He's not breathing. Unless they're taking the. Unless they're taking the breaths out. But it's too right. And then speed. I. I don't know. I'm not a musician, so I don't know either. Look, there's.
- [53:19]
Joe Rogan
There's guys like Eminem that achieved incredible flow without AI Absolutely. That have, like. You're like, how did he do that? But that's just practice, repetition.
- [53:27]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [53:28]
Joe Rogan
Vocal endurance, whatever. I mean, he just knows how to do it. But this AI guy is. It's like all the best things we love about great songs just condensed and. And. And they know what you love. That's the up thing. It's like, there's so many, like, let's look at all the hits. Papa Was a Rolling Stone. Look. Look at all the hits. Looks like a zombie. Let's look at this and then mush them all together and figure out what are the. What are these notes that make people excited? What are the feeling. What are the words that make people, like, real? Oh, yeah. You know, what are those feelings?
- [54:03]
Katee Sackhoff
So, okay, so. And I. I hear all of that. It makes me. I'm literally cringing inside. I'm, like, dying. But, like, so what do artists do? Like, what do. What do musicians do?
- [54:12]
Joe Rogan
What has everybody ever done? When things change, you figure it out and adapt. Yeah, there's. Humans are always going to need humans. We love each other, you know, as much as we hate each other. We love each other. More. Because most interactions that people have with other people are not negative. It's just the negative ones are so scary that we concentrate on them more. But humans love humans. And the more you need each other, the more you're going to need human interaction, human cooperation. Art is going to be so much more valuable coming from a human. Live performances. But are we going to adapt?
- [54:46]
Katee Sackhoff
Are we going to know? Like, that's, that's the thing that I think is the slippery slope and that scares me the most is that like, are we going to know if it was created by AI? Can a person who's disingenuous come and create a bunch of AI art, have an art show and you know, say I created this art.
- [55:05]
Joe Rogan
Like this is what I really think. When comets hit planets, usually you get small ones first. You get things in the sky, meteor showers.
- [55:17]
Katee Sackhoff
Are you gonna give me another thing to be scared of?
- [55:19]
Joe Rogan
No, I'm just telling you that this is a little one. That's what this is. Movies and TV shows that are made entirely with AI, songs that are made entirely with AI. This is just a small thing. The big one that's coming is a complete revamping of communication and culture. It's human beings communicating telepathically through devices connected to the Internet. Everyone all on one.
- [55:45]
Katee Sackhoff
You mean like the implant page?
- [55:47]
Joe Rogan
It's probably not going to be an implant. It's probably going to be something wearable. You know, I think the implant thing is kind of sketchy and probably really good for people that have paralysis. We had. The guy was the first neural impression patient on. It's amazing. He was talking to me about how you could play video games now and just. It's so much better. His quality of life has improved so much. And eventually they're gonna get to the point where they can reconnect spinal tissue where people can move again. And it's amazing, it's great. But I don't think they're gonna need that to get this achievement of a mind meld. They also, they already have wearing these wearable things that Google has devised. Show that video, James, of those people where they're communicating telepathically. You know what I'm talking about, right? So they're already doing this with wearables. And this is like kind of crude right now or. But it's just, it's sort of sentences. They're reading each other and they're communicating, but they're doing it all non verbally through tech technology.
- [56:43]
Katee Sackhoff
So I guess what, what my question about that is like if if that exists. Like, are people going to be stagnant, sitting in their houses, existing outside of their houses in their AI system so they're not moving around? Or are we going to be able to wear these while we're out and still participating in the world?
- [57:04]
Joe Rogan
That's a good question.
- [57:04]
Katee Sackhoff
That is my fear like, that people stop actually participating with their life.
- [57:09]
Joe Rogan
Oh, that's good.
- [57:10]
Katee Sackhoff
Fear because they think they're living.
- [57:11]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [57:12]
Katee Sackhoff
With their wearable.
- [57:13]
Joe Rogan
Let's talk about that. Let's watch this. Put this could be a noisy environment or a quiet office. Having a direct conversation is possible without saying a word. The signals alter ego detects aren't affected by environmental noise.
- [57:27]
Katee Sackhoff
So even if you're walking past a.
- [57:28]
Joe Rogan
Wind tunnel or a construction zone, what you want to say will always get across.
- [57:33]
Katee Sackhoff
It's like having infinite noise cancellation.
- [57:36]
Joe Rogan
If you're traveling, your silent speech can.
- [57:38]
Katee Sackhoff
Be converted into any language.
- [57:40]
Joe Rogan
So, Scott, Asma, Mandarin. What the. It's translating.
- [58:11]
Katee Sackhoff
But then is it. Is it. Is it actually speaking out loud to them? Like they're hearing the translation out loud. So it's not like it's then like going into their brain.
- [58:20]
Joe Rogan
His thoughts are being converted to words, which is being converted to an audio file which makes it to the other person in a different language. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. And I'm telling you, this is one of the little rocks. This is one of the itty bitty rocks that just broken through the atmosphere and slammed into a cornfield.
- [58:41]
Katee Sackhoff
I mean, I guess my question is why we need it.
- [58:46]
Joe Rogan
That's funny. Why do you need a cell phone? Why do you need a tv? Why do you need an airplane? Why do you need a boat? Why do you need anything?
- [58:52]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, I could tell you I don't need a cell phone. I do need a plane.
- [58:56]
Joe Rogan
But you do if your hot husband wants to call you.
- [58:59]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, I mean, but I don't need a. I don't need an iPhone.
- [59:01]
Joe Rogan
Right. But you need a cell phone.
- [59:02]
Katee Sackhoff
I can use my own imagination. You know what I mean? I think that that's the thing that's my fear, is that we're becoming lazy as a people.
- [59:12]
Joe Rogan
Oh, most certainly we are.
- [59:13]
Katee Sackhoff
And our. You know, like someone the other day, so my husband's a writer and someone was saying that there's an AI where you don't have to make up a story for your children anymore. Like, you know, I have this princess poopy Pants or whatever. I don't remember what it was, but my daughter loved this story that I was telling her. It Was. It was fucking terrible. But she loves this princess and it is the worst. Like, it is not good. But I came up with it and she and I laughed together. And then her reactions helped me to turn the story a different direction. But like, I've created this like, character. Right. So you can now go into your AI phone or whatever and say, create a nighttime story for Johnny about his day, but pretend like he's an astronaut on Mars and he's working with Digger and it writes a story for you in five seconds to read to your son. Now. Yeah. Okay. Is that cool? Absolutely. Did your son enjoy it? Sure. But you robbed yourself of the imagination and the work that it would have taken to come up with a story for your son. And then you also robbed yourself of that experience with your son creating the story together. Because his reactions would have changed the story in the way that you were creating it as it was going. Because he's your audience. Right. That's sad to me, like, that people are missing out on that. Yeah, Cool. You might as well just read your kid a story. Cause you really didn't write him a story. That's not. And so, I don't know. That's the thing that I hope as a society. Because you're right, it is coming and it's here and it's not slowing down. But I hope that we can still steal away those moments where we don't want to use it. Because Johnny's little dad may have missed his second calling of being a children's story author because he never pushed himself to have to do it. And that could have been really cool. I don't know. I just. That's. I'm not. I'm not completely against AI.
- [61:11]
Joe Rogan
I know what you're saying. And you're always gonna have people that give up. Yeah, that's just how life is. You're always gonna have people that don't find another way. You can't save those folks. And I don't even want to. Because I think that's part of the whole process of culture. I think we have to figure it out by watching people fail. And unfortunately, some of us have to fail. And it doesn't mean you fail forever. If that guy figures out that he's on the wrong path and he's got some self assessment ability and he looks back and goes, okay, what did I do wrong? Why am I being such a bitch? Why don't I just get my life together? Like, what the fuck is wrong with me? Why am I drinking? Why am I smoking? Why Am I killing my health? Why am I, you know, depressed? Why don't I just go for a run? Let's see how that goes. I'm gonna sign up for a yoga class. How about that? Yeah, I'll just try that for a while. I'll do something different. I'll start taking vitamins. Do something. Figure out something else that you like to do. Are you alive? Are you breathing? Then life isn't over. Stop being a. You could have been born during the time of the Revolutionary War. You just got shot with a musket and you're bleeding out on a field. No, you're in Santa Barbara and you know, know you don't like that. AI just took your job. Find a new job. Figure it out. Like, that's what we all have to do in this life. There's a lot of different people doing a lot of different things.
- [62:26]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [62:27]
Joe Rogan
You know, find out what it is that you can do.
- [62:30]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [62:30]
Joe Rogan
Don't give up and don't. Like, AI comes along and you just give up on life. And he could have been amazing at something. Really. I doubt it, because any. Almost anybody that really is amazing at something has a desire to figure out how to get that through.
- [62:44]
Katee Sackhoff
I don't disagree with that. But there also are safeguards in place that, like, so my dad's entire family, we grew up in a small town on the Columbia river in Oregon, and his entire family were longshoremen. Well, that industry was. Was coming to an end, and the longshoremen's union actually paid to have those guys trained in different industry.
- [63:04]
Joe Rogan
So that's great. That's one of the great things about a union.
- [63:07]
Katee Sackhoff
That's great.
- [63:08]
Joe Rogan
They can set you up like that and recognize what's happening.
- [63:12]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, you know, I would. I would love for there to be some protections for when people inevitably do start losing their jobs, that there are avenues for them to learn a new trade.
- [63:25]
Joe Rogan
I think that would be a great new addition to the way we approach it if they tried to figure out ways to transition people healthy, healthily into other occupations. Because there's certain jobs, like coders, for example, like my friends, that are involved in technology, like, do not go to school to code. No, like, code for fun. If you like. Coding for fun.
- [63:47]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [63:48]
Joe Rogan
There's a lot of them, the super nerds, they code. Those fucking dorks. They code for fun. They sit in front of a screen.
- [63:53]
Katee Sackhoff
Don't make fun of my fan base. Come on, Joe.
- [63:55]
Joe Rogan
Listen, I love those guys, but also.
- [63:57]
Katee Sackhoff
Three years ago, my dad was like, your Kids should go into coding. That's how quickly that changed, though. You know what I mean? And that could just be my dad's generation not seeing it, you know, happening as quickly.
- [64:08]
Joe Rogan
But, no, they were seeing what was happening was all these guys, these tech guys wound up being the richest people on the planet. So they were seeing it, but it just only. It's just like a brief window of opportunity to become a tech oligarch.
- [64:21]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [64:21]
Joe Rogan
And that shit's gonna slam shut.
- [64:23]
Katee Sackhoff
It is.
- [64:24]
Joe Rogan
And now fear is like, who's gonna be in control of AI? You know, that's also these people like Sam Altman. You've got Elon, You've got all these like super rich people that are going to be in control of the digital God. It's a little. That's a little disconcerting as it is.
- [64:39]
Katee Sackhoff
It is a little scary that the few control the masses.
- [64:43]
Joe Rogan
It's so much power and money and.
- [64:44]
Katee Sackhoff
Just a lot of power.
- [64:46]
Joe Rogan
Handful of people.
- [64:46]
Katee Sackhoff
It's a lot of power. And you just. I mean, you've got to hope that the people that are in power have.
- [64:53]
Joe Rogan
You know, good sensibilities. They're. They're kind, heart. Nice. Yeah. That they realize, like, okay, I've got X amount of billions of dollars, so this is obviously not why. What life's all about. What is life? What can I do that makes life meaningful? I could actually probably help people, like legitimately help people.
- [65:11]
Katee Sackhoff
That would be amazing. If people with a lot of money wanted to help people and pay their share of taxes and not take advantage of the situation.
- [65:20]
Joe Rogan
Here's the problem with that. I am all for wealthy people paying their share. I am not for the government deciding what to do with that money. When I've seen what you've done with the money in the past, you guys are irresponsible. You never make audits. You've got insider trading running amok amongst people in Congress and you're not doing nothing about it. And then you want more money and you say, that's gonna fix it. No, it's the way you handle the money that fucking sucks. It's not that I wouldn't want to. I would be happy to pay more in taxes and live in a place that's just managed perfectly, like, God, it's so great living here in America. Everything's done so well. It's so beautiful. It's like everything's well thought out. Our education system's great. Nobody is stuck in a bad neighborhood anymore. All the school systems are fucking top of the food chain. It's a difficult job to acquire. It's given a lot of respect and everybody's doing great, then I'd be happy. But it's like, you see some of the money that they've uncovered that was being spent on nonsense. And you see what happens with NGOs and nonprofits, and they're funneling billions to these things. And then it's going to countries and it's helping overthrow governments, like, slow down.
- [66:32]
Katee Sackhoff
But we also have to acknowledge that in the cuts, that there were things that didn't need to be cut. So we can go and we can look at Elon. So you brought up Elon Musk. Let's talk about when he tweeted about an overstuffed bill in 2025. In the middle of 2025, he's talking about how this bill was just, like, bloated, so they took a bunch of shit off of it. One of the things that fell on that was in 2012, there was a piece of legislation called the Give Kids a Chance Act. What it did was it motivated and incentivized drug companies to create drugs for pediatrics, because right now, pediatrics are completely underfunded. We learned all of this when our daughter got sick. The national cancer institute, 4% of its budget goes to pediatrics. 4%. So it's already underfunded. And then in. When Elon in 2025 tweeted about this, they took off all of the stuff at the end of the bill, 900 pages. But what was on it was the Give Kids a Chance Act. Now, this bill is a voucher program. So let's say that Tom, in his basement, wants to create a drug, a new drug for neuroblastoma that will save our daughter's life. He's got no money, but he sees the cure. So he can go to the FDA and he can say, I got a cure for neuroblastoma. And they say, great, we're gonna fast track you in the fda, but we're also gonna give you a voucher. You can sell that voucher. Because Tom, he only has 10 cents. He can't create this drug. But with that voucher, he can take that voucher and he can sell it to anyone for any amount of money. And what that voucher is, is a front of the line pass. So he can go sell it to some drug company that has a fat loss drug or a drug for heart medications, anything. He can sell it to them, and they get to buy it for what, $50 million. So now Tom has $50 million for his pediatric drug that's going to save children's lives. And this drug company has a voucher that takes them to the front of the line. Now, do we wish that these drug companies were altruistic and they were just like creating drugs for peds? Of course. But they're not. They're not. It's not a free market. So what happens is they've now got their voucher. Tom has his money to create his drug. And since 2012, the Give Kids a Chance act has created over 60 drugs for life threatening illnesses for children. 60 drugs. And because of Elon's tweet, that legislation, because it has to be voted on every four years, was taken off the end of the bill. It no longer exists. So that legislation, it's not in existence anymore. That is terrible. Because now there's no incentives for the drug companies to create drugs for children. And children are already underfunded. They get so little. And so it has to be on the bill at the end of the year. So what I want is for people, like people just to see the error of their ways. Yes. Was there waste? Of course. But now you have this bipartisan supported piece of legislation that has to be on the end of year bill or it will not get on again, and then it starts all over again. That has to be on the end of your bill. So things like that. Yes. Can we get rid of the waste? Absolutely. But when you see a mistake and you see that you made a mistake, let's fix it. Put it back on. Yeah, we gotta help children.
- [69:58]
Joe Rogan
It's literally throwing out the baby with the bathwater. That's literally it.
- [70:02]
Katee Sackhoff
But that's what we do in this country.
- [70:03]
Joe Rogan
But is that unfortunately these bills are crazy. And one of the things about bills is they, like, you'll. It'll have a name and then what's in the bill deals with multiple subjects because a bunch of different things get thrown into the bill all the time.
- [70:19]
Katee Sackhoff
There's so much chucked on the end, which is what Elon was talking about.
- [70:22]
Joe Rogan
Right. They all do that. So was this connected to something else?
- [70:26]
Katee Sackhoff
No, it wasn't by itself. Part of it. It was just part of it that was on there, that was thrown in there at the end. So that was chucked off, from what I understand. And granted, I. You need to talk to someone much more informed than I am about this. But there were about hundreds of pages that were just cut off the end.
- [70:44]
Joe Rogan
So do you think they're just not reviewing what's being cut off? They're Just saying, look, we have to.
- [70:48]
Katee Sackhoff
Make cuts, just cut it all off. I think that, yes, that they just needed to cut a bunch off to avoid inspection and just get the bill passed. And that's what they did. And the Give Kids a Chance act is one of the, in the top 10 of all time, most bipartisan, supportive pieces of legislation. And 2% of bills actually pass. So it's got to, it literally has to be on the end of the year bill. And it surprises me that because there is waste. I know there's waste. We all know there's waste. But that we say that children are so fucking important and they get 4% of the National Cancer Institute's money. 4%.
- [71:30]
Joe Rogan
I just feel like if people knew about that, that couldn't have happened. If we had known about that in advance, we could have made a big deal about that.
- [71:37]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, we've two months, two months to get it on there now.
- [71:41]
Joe Rogan
Well, let's try to get it on there now. But here's the thing, like, I had never heard about this before you talked about it. And this is the problem with, I think this part of the problem. I don't, I don't think they should be allowed to make bills that way. I think each bill, the, the, the things that are in the bills are so consequential, it just doesn't make any sense to me that they shouldn't be treated as individual arguments. Every single one of them.
- [72:05]
Katee Sackhoff
Them, every.
- [72:05]
Joe Rogan
Like if you have a bill and you have 500. I mean, let's ask Perplexity, our sponsor, what, what is the average amount of different subjects that are covered in any bill? Because when there are thousands of pages, they might have stuff in there about immigration reform mixed in with Second Amendment rights mixed in with free speech online, mixed in with support for Israel. It's weird. They, they have thousands of pages.
- [72:34]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, and you've seen how thick it is. And there were times, and I don't remember who said it, but there were times when the big beautiful bill was passing or before it had passed, that people had admittedly not even read it. How could you read it so big? And so there is a problem there, and that is above my pay grade, and I do not know how to fix that.
- [72:55]
Joe Rogan
That's a crazy problem.
- [72:57]
Katee Sackhoff
But I think part of the problem is that. That it takes a pissed off mom whose kid is sick to be like, this is a fucking problem. This is a problem. It is a problem that in Portland, where I'm from, that OHSU is one of the top hospitals in the country. OHSU is given so many grants by the Knight Foundation. It is a leading hospital. It is attached to. Say it's a tier one hospital. It is attached to Doernbeck. Doernbecher is a Tier 2 children's hospital. It's in the same building. That's crazy. That's crazy. It is crazy to me that a pediatric oncologist makes 50% less than an adult oncologist across the board, 50% less. Doesn't matter what the specialty is. They all make less money. That is a problem in this country that our children are not being cared for. And we're now in a position where there are no programs. And if there were, they're gone. That are showing doctors and students that are in medical school, hey, go into pediatrics. Hey, if you want to be an anesthesiologist, you want job security, go into pediatrics. I know you're going to make 50% less, but go into pediatrics. We need you. There are not enough. It's a big problem.
- [74:18]
Joe Rogan
It's a big problem. The 50% less. Because a lot of these doctors.
- [74:22]
Katee Sackhoff
Now, that's an average as well, by the way. Yeah.
- [74:24]
Joe Rogan
Mean, when they get out, they already have medical school debt. They're, you know, and there's liability coverage is very, very high. Okay. What is the average amount of subjects included in bills passing in US Congress? There's no single fixed number of topics per bill, but analysis of legislative practices shows strong trends depending on bill type and scope. The majority bills passed by Congress include multiple subjects, and the number has grown over time as omnibus legisl legislation has become the dominant approach. Like what's. Give me some numbers, though. This one has the most. This is the biggest bill. Okay. This is. This is so crazy.
- [75:04]
Katee Sackhoff
5, 000 pages.
- [75:05]
Joe Rogan
Consolidated Appropriations act, which was in 2021. It has 5,593 pages. The bill combined all 12 regular appropriation bills for fiscal year 2021, COVID 19 relief and numerous unrelated legislation provisions including Copyright Alternative and Small Claims Enforcement Act, Protecting Lawful Streaming Act, Water Resources Development act, and a variety of other measures on tax, transportation, energy and health. Then always reading that. They're not reading. You think AOC read that? You think George Santos read that? Nobody. Nobody read that.
- [75:44]
Katee Sackhoff
You want to make it about people not reading things? I'm sure we can get into that. But like, I think that.
- [75:47]
Joe Rogan
Well, George Sandos is the crazy guy.
- [75:50]
Katee Sackhoff
Yes. That was just.
- [75:51]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [75:51]
Katee Sackhoff
Pardoned.
- [75:52]
Joe Rogan
They get him out of jail. Is he getting free?
- [75:53]
Katee Sackhoff
I don't know.
- [75:54]
Joe Rogan
I might have him on that guy. He's a wild boy.
- [75:59]
Katee Sackhoff
I don't know.
- [76:00]
Joe Rogan
But these people that are like, Congress people that are making hundreds of millions of dollars through insider trading, and we're just like, I don't know what to do.
- [76:08]
Katee Sackhoff
Okay, but here's the thing, though, is that, like, we are. Things are not getting voted on. Like, that's the other thing. Is that. So you take, like, the Give Kids a Chance act, and then you take these big bills that have so many pages. There should be a system in place where things are voted on separately. And there may be. I mean, I.
- [76:27]
Joe Rogan
This is especially something that is important as pediatric, pediatric medication. Like, that just seems. It seems like a travesty to include that in a bunch of other stuff in a bill.
- [76:37]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, and you know the crazy thing. So our daughter's cancer, her treatments, and her care afterwards. So she's still getting this thing called an mibg scan, which is a nuclear radiation scan, where they inject her body with stuff that is so bad for you, but it's all to scan her body to make sure that her cancer hasn't metastasized. Like, it's. We need to know this kind of stuff.
- [76:57]
Joe Rogan
Right?
- [76:58]
Katee Sackhoff
There's no new technology. These are things that she's being treated with that have existed for 30 years.
- [77:06]
Joe Rogan
Wow.
- [77:06]
Katee Sackhoff
We need new things. Like, our daughter should never have to get wheeled over to the adult side of a hospital to get an MRI because they don't have a machine on the children's side. It's just things like that should never be happening. This is the stuff that should be supported by our government and our tax dollars.
- [77:24]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. That's a great example of something that should be supported by tax dollars. I've always said that the two most important things for people to be. If you want to allocate money towards helping people, it's education and health care. Those are number one and number two. But is there an argument that socialized medicine. I have friends that live in countries with socialized medicine, like England and Canada, and it's great in some ways, but it's also a nightmare because it takes a long time to get a surgery. A lot of the doctors might not be the best to get quite a few botched surgeries that my friends have had. And a lot of them have actually come to America to get surgery in America, especially UFC guys, because they felt like the doctors were better because they're more incentivized. These doctors are paid better, and you're gonna get those really hot shots. This is the guy who does all the ACL tales? Tears for the Lakers. Like, these guys are so, like, there's something. But there's something to be said for the competition that drives innovation and makes people become the very best in the top of their field. But also the most important things are not that. The most important things are regular, ordinary health care. And some of that stuff can fucking break people. Like one bad fall when you don't have health insurance and you're a couple hundred thousand dollars in debt now.
- [78:47]
Katee Sackhoff
So did you know that the number one cause of debt in our country is a medical diagnosis?
- [78:51]
Joe Rogan
I did, Yeah, I did.
- [78:52]
Katee Sackhoff
It's terrifying.
- [78:53]
Joe Rogan
It's terrifying. So like, that alone, I mean, if other countries have that and it does might not be perfect, why can't we have that? And why can't we have that along with specialists that are even better? Like if you are. If you are. You know the Lakers, yeah, you know, they need a guy who's just a fucking wizard. Pay people more for the very best guys. So you still have competition. But the idea that people just can go bankrupt if they get sick, it's like, are we not looking out for each other? Like, think about how much money we spend on other things that's doable because other countries do it.
- [79:31]
Katee Sackhoff
It really makes me sad, you know, when every once in a while we would get a medical bill. We have great health insurance. The Screen Actors Guild has some of the best health insurance I've ever seen. Mind you, we take in Oregon, where they're not used to seeing the Screen Actors Guild health insurance. Doctors will sometimes be like, I have never seen an insurance company cover this. I'm like, I know.
- [79:52]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, they're really good.
- [79:53]
Katee Sackhoff
It's phenomenal. But so we have seen so many people with sick children suffering financially. You don't think about it. It's not necessarily even the diagnosis that's causing the bankruptcy. It's the time if your daughter needs a specialized cancer treatment and you've got to drive six hours each way every day or be put up at the Ronald McDonald House over by a hospital. You're not going to job, you're not going to your work. You're not, you know, plowing your fields. You're not going to your nine to five. You're not, because your priority is your kid, that leads to bankruptcy. That's a really big problem. And so it's not even. It's not even the insurance. It's the lack of time, it's the lack of resources that we give people when they are sick. It's really heartbreaking. We got bills sometimes that were like $70,000 and like these crazy numbers. And, you know, I would take a picture and send it off to our insurance broker because we have a very, very blessed life. And I wasn't. I mean, I was definitely shocked by it and a little concerned, but I was like, they'll handle it. They'll let us know. Most people don't have that. You know, they look at that. And even though that was an error, we should have never gotten that. That it was still, you know, our portion was still $4,000 or something like that.
- [81:22]
Joe Rogan
Why does it cost that much money? Like, that's the question. Like, what factors are involved in it costing that much money? Is it all above ground? Because I don't think it is. It definitely has been shown that it's not with some drugs that they've hiked the price up of drugs because they know people have to buy it. Yeah, they know it's you. It's necessary, you're going to pay.
- [81:42]
Katee Sackhoff
It is a very messed up system. It's for sure. And it's a crazy system. It's got so many problems. Like you can't have money.
- [81:48]
Joe Rogan
It's money whenever they can figure out how to make money with things. So it's like, is there an argument for some sort of a socialization of that in this country? And people that want to say that we shouldn't have any socialism. Listen, we have some.
- [82:02]
Katee Sackhoff
We do have some.
- [82:03]
Joe Rogan
Here's, here's a big one. Fire department. This is a big one. Right. We all agree the fire department is worth paying for with our tax dollars. We all pay. And the fire department goes where the fire is. If there's a fire in a poor community, if there's a fire in a rich community, that's how it works. Yeah, we all agree with that because it's a, it's a very good part of a functional society.
- [82:23]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, and we don't want to be like, no, we don't need it.
- [82:25]
Joe Rogan
Right. You have a fire in your health, then. Like, it's the same thing. You gotta. You should have calamity centers.
- [82:31]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [82:31]
Joe Rogan
Like this is. We've set up the socialism of our society is we've set up ways to handle calamities, we've ways to set up fire, ways to set up floods. And we pay for it and we make sure it's all there because we all need it. You want a social calamity? No education, massive crime, all the different problems that plague us that we ignore and Some great ways to do that, to stop that is free education and free health care. You cut back on most of the problems that people run into.
- [83:04]
Katee Sackhoff
I agree. Because one of the biggest problems in our country is mental health.
- [83:07]
Joe Rogan
Health.
- [83:08]
Katee Sackhoff
It's a huge problem. And a lot of people go untreated because they don't have health care.
- [83:12]
Joe Rogan
That's what you're seeing in these tents.
- [83:14]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, you've seen a lot of. You're seeing a lot of mental illness. A lot.
- [83:17]
Joe Rogan
A giant portion of it. And that was all during the Reagan administration. The Reagan administration, they changed how they, like what, what they did with mentally ill people and they shut down a lot of these institutions and they just let people become homeless.
- [83:32]
Katee Sackhoff
We were just having this conversation the other day because it's in here humane to determine how a person should live their life and where they should live their life. And yeah, it's a very, very complicated gray issue, for sure. You know, you see it in Portland, where I live, it is a very complicated issue because there is not one solution. It needs to be a multi pronged solution with a lot of hands on deck.
- [83:59]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I mean, in Portland it's got. And it was, I think, another thing that Portland did that was, I think, directionally correct, which was they decriminalized everything. They said, look, we're not gonna criminalize you for doing cocaine or having mushrooms. We're not gonna treat that like your personal use is a crime of anything. But unfortunately, when they did that, people moved there to do drugs.
- [84:22]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, unfortunately, when they did that, they didn't put the services in place ahead of time to be prepared for.
- [84:28]
Joe Rogan
Well, you would need a lot of services. You need like real counseling and real health care. And you really should have an ibogaine center. If you're gonna have anything that is dealing with addiction, which is one of the primary factors, these people being homeless.
- [84:43]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, yeah, I mean, it's a chicken egg thing, right? Because like, what comes. What comes first, the addiction or the, you know, the homelessness.
- [84:51]
Joe Rogan
They should have set up ibogaine centers. If you've got a decriminalized society, set up ibogaine centers in Oregon, it'd be the perfect place for you. You'd be able to help so many people because so many of those folks are just stuck. Just stuck. And if you can get them out of whatever funk they're in, whether it's an opioid or crystal meth or whatever the thing that is that has captured their life and let them find out who they are as a human, you could probably save a bunch of those folks, and that. That can be done.
- [85:21]
Katee Sackhoff
I do believe that a lot of those people can be saved. I think that it's. It's really. It's really sad. It's how invisible people are.
- [85:30]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [85:31]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, it's really sad.
- [85:32]
Joe Rogan
It's really sad. That's someone's baby and you have babies. You know what it's like.
- [85:36]
Katee Sackhoff
I know. And that's what I think about how.
- [85:37]
Joe Rogan
Much you love your babies. And you walk by that was someone's baby that is now on the street, you know, covered in their own feces.
- [85:43]
Katee Sackhoff
I know.
- [85:43]
Joe Rogan
It's really horrible.
- [85:45]
Katee Sackhoff
Horrible.
- [85:45]
Joe Rogan
It's horrible. And it's horrible. It's a. It's just a stain on us as a community that's. We. We don't do anything about it. And the answer is not just lock them up. I think they're doing something crazy out here where they're bringing in the National Guard, they're sweeping up all the encampments. And like, that doesn't fix it. You're just. You're just penalizing people for being. Being.
- [86:05]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, it's.
- [86:06]
Joe Rogan
But at a certain point in time, though, it's like. You ever watch that show Hoarders?
- [86:10]
Katee Sackhoff
Yes.
- [86:11]
Joe Rogan
Certain point in time, you got to burn the house down. All right, this is. This one lady was keeping bags of poop.
- [86:19]
Katee Sackhoff
I have tendencies.
- [86:20]
Joe Rogan
Bottles and bags of poop all in her house. And they're like, we're gonna have to destroy this house. This is insane. It's like. That is almost where places like skid Row are like that. It's so crazy that you've let it get this bad for so long to even clean it up. It's almost like you have to start from scratch. So it's almost like you'd have to take those people. You'd have to set up treatment places and take those people and convince them. Them that there's a way to a life, that you don't want to live like this forever. There's a way to a life, and we're going to try to help you and have these places that are set up where they have counselors and food. They clean people up. They give them their appropriate mental health medication if they need it. They talk to them. They give them activities that's not, like, financially prohibitively expensive. They spend $24 billion in California trust trying to stop the homeless crisis or help it. They didn't do anything. It got bigger. It got way bigger. And they spent $24 billion. Well.
- [87:17]
Katee Sackhoff
Cause they're Coming over from Texas, being kicked out of Texas, the homeless, I.
- [87:21]
Joe Rogan
Don'T think they try go west.
- [87:22]
Katee Sackhoff
Young men go west.
- [87:23]
Joe Rogan
I don't think they have that kind of ambition.
- [87:25]
Katee Sackhoff
No, I think it's a big problem. But I also know that it is not. It's a multi pronged problem. Like I said, a lot of people don't want to go into the shelters because they have an animal or they have a lot of stuff. And there's limits on how many bags you can bring in, things like that. So it's, you know, you're not allowed to have to have drugs on you, things that are prohibitive to persuade people to go into places that have help. So I don't know, it's gonna take somebody a lot more creative than me and a lot of money and a lot of open minded people to figure out what to do. Because it's a big problem. And it's a big problem everywhere. Every major city.
- [88:08]
Joe Rogan
Every major city.
- [88:09]
Katee Sackhoff
It doesn't matter if it's blue or red. It doesn't matter. It's a big problem.
- [88:13]
Joe Rogan
The thing is, it's fairly recent. That's what's disturbing because I think that it's a symptom of a society that's lost its way. Because it's fairly recent. There wasn't a time when I was a boy we had that many homeless people. You occasionally had a homeless person that you'd run into in like Boston where I lived or New York City, you occasionally run into homeless people. But there was no encampments. Yeah, there was no. This is a completely new thing as far as I know. There was during the Great Depression though. But that was just like horrific poverty where they had shanty towns where whole families were living in these set up shanty towns because they couldn't afford to be in a house.
- [88:50]
Katee Sackhoff
I don't know. Do you think it's a loss of. In some regard, it's a loss of community and it's a loss of empathy and caring for people. You know, I know that like in the town that I grew up, when somebody was down on their luck, everybody would come together and help that person.
- [89:05]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [89:05]
Katee Sackhoff
Doesn't really happen anymore. You know, we're all so consumed with our own lives and you know what's happening to us.
- [89:11]
Joe Rogan
I think, yeah, I think it's, it's not a coincidence that it's happening in the places that have the most people too. Of course, where there's the most people, not only are you gonna have the higher percentage or rather a higher Number of people with mental illnesses. But you're also going to have this thing that happens when you have too many people that live in a place where you don't value each other. Like, I live in a neighborhood where. There's a guy that lives in my neighborhood, this old fella, and he's always working on his garden. And every time I drive by, he waves. I look forward.
- [89:42]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, I look forward to the wave.
- [89:44]
Joe Rogan
To the wave. I wave. That dude, what's up? It's like, he's a friendly guy. Everybody drives by his house. He waves. Waves at. And I look forward to waving at that guy. And that doesn't happen in New York City. In New York City, you wave at a guy every day. He's like, what the are you waving at? Like, they want to fight you. Like, you got a problem. Why are you looking at me every day? Because there's too many people. There's millions of people all stacked on top of each other. It's not how we're designed to live. Yeah, we're designed to live in some sort of peace and harmony with nature, not like. Like a new nature. So this new nature of concrete and electricity, it's just weird for us, and so we behave weird. And then when you see someone who's down, you just think, that's not me. I'm gonna keep on moving. Whereas if you lived in a small town and that was a member of your community, that's. That's Earl. Like, oh, my God, Earl's passed out in front of a store. Like, Earl, what's going on, man?
- [90:38]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, yeah.
- [90:39]
Joe Rogan
Like, you love Earl. Pick him up. No, Earl's a faceless, nameless person in Manhattan. He's one of many. And no one cares. They just walk right by you on the way to the play.
- [90:49]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, everybody is. Is. Everybody's hustling, you know? Like, that's. It's a. It's a big thing. Like, it's.
- [90:56]
Joe Rogan
It's.
- [90:56]
Katee Sackhoff
We've got too little time in the day, a lot to accomplish. Everybody's just, yeah, how do I get mine? How do I take care of my family? How do I protect this? How do I do that? How do I. I don't have time to look at Earl.
- [91:07]
Joe Rogan
Exactly.
- [91:07]
Katee Sackhoff
You know, And. And.
- [91:09]
Joe Rogan
But also, even if you did help Earl, Earl might be an issue. It might be, like, one of them things. You help Earl, then two days later, he's smoking crack again. Earl.
- [91:18]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh, Earl.
- [91:19]
Joe Rogan
Earl. Might just be. That just might be Earl. There's certain people you can't save, and there's always going to be people like that, but there's a lot of those folks that genuinely are just down on their luck. And maybe they had an abusive childhood and maybe things went wrong with them at multiple points. Maybe they had an injury and they got OxyContin prescribed to them and then all of a sudden they came off. That happens all the time. I know people that that happened to.
- [91:44]
Katee Sackhoff
But it's going to take a coordinated effort from our representatives to actually care about people enough to figure out what the right solution is.
- [91:55]
Joe Rogan
I would like to talk to the people that spent the 24 billion in California and go, what did you guys do? Like, how come you didn't do better? There's more. There's more than when it started. They increase their number.
- [92:11]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, to me, what that says is that there are more and more people falling through the cracks every single day.
- [92:17]
Joe Rogan
Then an enormous number in Los Angeles. Los Angeles alone is a strange place. In some neighborhoods where you're just driving through, you just feel like, oh, this is like if I was looking at a picture, piece of fruit, and a piece of fruit had like this bruised area and I was like, oh, what happened to this? Somebody dropped, like, it's like a damaged part of your society. You've got these people completely removed from just like, like a bruise just sitting there. They're part of it, but they're like, they're a sad part of it. And that part is getting bigger. The bruise is bigger. It's weird.
- [92:54]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, then, yeah, I mean, I mean, we left Los Angeles two years ago. Two years ago. Can't even speak. Two years ago. And I love LA. I love LA. I lived there for 25 years. Freaking love it. It's a great city, great people, a.
- [93:09]
Joe Rogan
Lot of amazing human beings. Some of my best friends I met.
- [93:13]
Katee Sackhoff
In la and it's like many other cities, it has a problem and the solution is there and it just, it's. It's going to require a lot of work. And I don't know what that is. Sadly.
- [93:27]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I don't know what that is, but I know that people don't course. Correct. And that's what's screwy. What's screwy is just let this thing get bigger. Like, you got to dump a lot of resources into removing these tent communities, setting these people up in some sort of community center, some sort of a rehabilitation center. Like, make an effort. There's no way you can allow this because it's just the cost that's happening just to the neighborhood. Like, if you live Right next door to a tent city and you're trying to sell your house, like good luck. You're not selling your house. Yeah, that, that's gonna fuck up everything and it's gonna fuck it up for them too. It's gonna cost everybody money. You would, you'd be better off spending that money trying to help those people. And I guarantee you, at least some of them are gonna pop through on the other side, figure it out, become successful and be, be forever, eternally grateful and they'll be able to help more people do the same. There's always a few of those people that come out of those kind of treatment centers that can help other people do it.
- [94:24]
Katee Sackhoff
I would be really curious to see like statistically what the common denominator of the majority of the homeless people in the US what it was like. I wonder if there's studies where they actually went around it's kind of mostly drugs. No. I don't know though. I don't know. And granted I do not know enough about this to be speaking about it.
- [94:48]
Joe Rogan
With authority, but I just jump right to a first conclusion.
- [94:52]
Katee Sackhoff
But you do talk to some people that find themselves homeless. And I've had this conversation with somebody who found themselves homeless and started doing drugs because try spending the night out on the street. It's not, you're not comfortable depending on your circumstances, but, but you know where you are potentially, what your gender is like, you know what your own mental health is like.
- [95:17]
Joe Rogan
Also you probably could be low self respect, terrifying at that point in time, you're literally outside.
- [95:23]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, or you have high self respect, but you had a really shitty fucking day. Or you're, you know, someone you were caring for had cancer and you lost your house because they passed and you didn't go to work for a year and a half. Like for whatever reason, you then start using drugs. Cause it helps numb the life.
- [95:43]
Joe Rogan
Right.
- [95:43]
Katee Sackhoff
So I don't know. I think you're right that a lot of people who do do drugs find themselves on the street. But I also think that a lot of people who are on the street for other reasons find their way to drugs. And so it is just a, it's a really big problem with a lot of moving parts. And I think first and foremost we have to, to trying to find our way to empathy and figure out how to help people.
- [96:08]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it's very well said. What you said, I completely agree with. And I think it can be done. I think just, I think it could be done with that 24 billion. I just think that there's a lot of incentive.
- [96:21]
Katee Sackhoff
There's a lot of wasted money in this country, let's be honest. There is.
- [96:24]
Joe Rogan
It's also, this is a thing, unfortunately, that they campaign with. You know, when there's certain issues that I think politicians genuinely don't want resolved because they can campaign on solving those problems. I really do think that. I talked to Rep. Luna and she actually said that and I was like, so you really think they do that? She's like, absolutely. That is so dark that they would not want solutions from both sides.
- [96:53]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [96:53]
Joe Rogan
Because they would rather keep the argument in place. So they go, if it's up to me, I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna stop gay marriage. And then it becomes a thing that they, they want, they want. They would like to repeal gay marriage just so they have the ability to fight to bring back gay marriage. Like that's how twisted some of these people are.
- [97:11]
Katee Sackhoff
It wouldn't surprise me.
- [97:14]
Joe Rogan
I'm not surprised. I think that's probably what happened with Roe v. Wade. I think that's probably part of it.
- [97:19]
Katee Sackhoff
I mean, government is a business. We have to acknowledge that, that everybody, everybody gets paid.
- [97:25]
Joe Rogan
There's so much money in that business. And they really do like having problems to campaign against. They openly talk about it like we're gonna get them on this one. Like they like that problem. Keep that problem.
- [97:34]
Katee Sackhoff
You know what though? You know what we should do? We should give them problems that like legitimately, like, like big problems that matter. Like saving children.
- [97:42]
Joe Rogan
Well, that would be great.
- [97:43]
Katee Sackhoff
And like education and things like that. You know, you shouldn't, you shouldn't. People shouldn't have to move house because they're trying to chase a public school that's better. Like the existing public schools should be great.
- [97:56]
Joe Rogan
And we should have tried to invest in that a long ass time ago.
- [97:59]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, and we should pay our fucking teachers. How about that?
- [98:02]
Joe Rogan
A lot more.
- [98:03]
Katee Sackhoff
My mom was a teacher for 35 years. She had a master's degree and she made something like $35,000 a year.
- [98:09]
Joe Rogan
I know, it's crazy. You have to love what you do and only want to do it because you love it. Whereas there's so many jobs that pay so much more.
- [98:17]
Katee Sackhoff
But why is it in our. So important in our country that anything to do with children gets underpaid? I don't know when they're the future.
- [98:24]
Joe Rogan
Well, if you wanted to put a tinfoil hat on. I'm trying to keep people down, trying to hold down society so I can control it. I just want to Fuck up the education system, put as little money into it as possible, guarantee chaos, guarantee lawlessness, at least in some segments of society. That way we can always have reasons to bring the military onto the streets and reasons to arrest people and reasons to enact new laws and reasons to put people on digitalized. Like, if you wanted to get really cynical, you would say, well, they didn't solve it because they don't want to solve it, because they want the south side of Chicago to still look like Afghanistan the height of the war. They want chaos, they want murder on the streets, because that way they keep people scared. And that way they campaign against these various sides. If you really wanted to get dark, you would, you would look at it that way. I think what happens is, more than anything is that it's like really difficult to get anything done.
- [99:13]
Katee Sackhoff
I think, I think that's the truth. I think that is the truth.
- [99:15]
Joe Rogan
And it's like politically it's not your best weapon. Like your best weapon are what are the big cultural issues? If it is immigration reform, if you're one of those people that wants to close the border and want to stop these immigrants coming through, and if you're on the other side, if it's, we want compassion and we want healthcare for all, then those are the things that you start throwing around. Those are the things that are gonna get you votes, right? If you say, I'm gonna campaign to make sure that we have, have health care for infants, because right now pediatricians and physicians don't get paid as much. And this is what I'm campaigning on. People will be like, okay, what about global warming? What about climate?
- [99:56]
Katee Sackhoff
But then, so you have someone that does that, they run on that and wanting to get equal pay for pediatricians and higher pay for teachers, and let's really run on what's better for our children and they get elected and then they go to work on Monday morning and everyone like, you can't do that. I mean, I know you got elected on it, so good luck. You're gonna spend the next two years of your life, you know, trying to keep your constituents happy while you're doing it. But we're at every turn. Yeah, yeah, every turn.
- [100:27]
Joe Rogan
It should have been done that way a long ass time ago. That's the problem. It's like, I don't understand how anybody who loves their kids would not want their kids to be taught by the best people possible. So unless you, you're in abject poverty where you can't even think about where your taxes go, if you have Children, you should be thinking like, boy, I hope they get the best people to teach my kids. Instead, we get people that are willing to take a job that pays so little that like almost anybody with a bachelor degree can get a better job somewhere else financially. Get more. You may get paid more as a waiter than most teachers get.
- [101:02]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh, please. You'd get more money as a dog walk.
- [101:06]
Joe Rogan
Probably you would.
- [101:07]
Katee Sackhoff
A girlfriend of mine.
- [101:08]
Joe Rogan
You have a good group of dogs.
- [101:09]
Katee Sackhoff
A girlfriend of mine was a lawyer, a trial lawyer, new trial lawyer, but, you know, making good money. And she had, and I might get this wrong, but she got. She had stress induced pancreatic shutdown. So her body as an adult had type 1 diabetes, which. Which is like crazy. And it was all due to stress. So they told her, you're going to have diabetes now. It's not like type two. Like, this is it, but you still need to reduce your stress. And so she stopped being a lawyer. Her husband was like, okay, great, this is it. We got to reduce stress. So she quit her job and stayed home and started doing yoga and was like, okay, I think I'm ready to try and contribute a little bit again and figure something out. And maybe I'll go walk dogs because, you know, I like dogs. Long walks will be stress reducing. I can make a little extra money. Why not do that? By the time she started watching our dogs, like at her home overnight for like a month while I was on location, she was making more money as a dog sitter slash dog walker than she ever did as a lawyer.
- [102:19]
Joe Rogan
But she sounds like an exceptional dog walker, though.
- [102:21]
Katee Sackhoff
Crazy.
- [102:21]
Joe Rogan
He had a lawyer's mind to the dog walking business.
- [102:24]
Katee Sackhoff
I mean, I don't. Maybe I would get like a picture every day, but she wasn't really very valuable.
- [102:29]
Joe Rogan
If you love your dogs, if someone's like, you can really trust to take care of your dogs.
- [102:32]
Katee Sackhoff
But those are the jobs, right? Talking about jobs and like children, like, those are the jobs. Like, you know, if I was. I keep telling my nephew, like every day, he's like, I don't know what to do with my life. And I'm like, be a plumber. Like, go on your own business. Find a job where we're always gonna need you.
- [102:48]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [102:48]
Katee Sackhoff
You know, open a dog walking service. Start there. Like, do, do something.
- [102:53]
Joe Rogan
Do something. But more important, what do you want to do?
- [102:56]
Katee Sackhoff
What do you want? It's so hard for people to figure out because you're judging what you want to do based on what you see, everyone around you do. And I was blessed at A very young age to wake up in the morning and know what I wanted to do. Yeah, it's very fortunate, Very rare.
- [103:14]
Joe Rogan
Well, that's a gift. That's a gift the universe gave you. Because if you're just like, I don't know where to start. I don't know what to do. I think with people like that, that generally they've never tried to. This is what I think is one of the things is very important for kids. Find a thing, whatever that thing is. Whether your thing is painting, whether your thing is music, whether your thing is sports, just find a thing that's hard to do and work on getting better at that thing. And that'll teach you so much about what life is. And if you don't do that, if you just do the work that school gives you and then you go home and you watch TV and then you hang out with your friends. Friends and you do the work at school and you don't get involved in anything that really tests you as a person, like test your creativity or tests your, your, Your endurance. If you want to be a runner, are you willing to get up every morning and actually do the work? Like things that test you. They teach you the process of enjoying things and getting better at things. And when people don't go through that when they're young, it's a real problem trying to find a thing and commit to it. You almost have to stumble upon it and get lost.
- [104:21]
Katee Sackhoff
My parents, though, like, when, you know, I didn't. I wasn't raised by anybody in the arts. My dad's a builder, my mom was a teacher. And my parents, not one day of my life, told me I couldn't do something. Like every single day they were like, go for it. Why not? Like, sure. You know, I do believe my dad always said, like, you know, second place is just the first loser. So I did have a dad like that. But like he said it sort of of like, you know, he was building competition. Like, he also knew that I was the child that he could say that to and it would motivate me. He didn't say that to my brother, who were very. Two different, you know, children.
- [104:58]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, you gotta figure that out.
- [104:59]
Katee Sackhoff
But my parents told me I could do things, you know, and then at a very young age, this is where representation matters. At a very young age, I, in high school, was dating a hockey player who was my age, was playing for the WHL team in Portland and got drafted. So when I was 17 years old, I saw an 18 year old get drafted in the NHL. And in my mind, somebody my age did something really hard that required a lot of work, but he made it. And him making it and seeing that happen in a counterpart of mine gave me the courage to go, I'm moving to California.
- [105:34]
Joe Rogan
Whoa.
- [105:35]
Katee Sackhoff
You did it. I can do it.
- [105:36]
Joe Rogan
Whoa.
- [105:37]
Katee Sackhoff
So you have to have both. You have to have encouraging parents, and you have to have the means to be able to pursue the things that you want to pursue. But you also have to have representation and see other people around you succeed that are your age or that you identify with or that look like you. That's important, too.
- [105:53]
Joe Rogan
That's huge.
- [105:54]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [105:54]
Joe Rogan
Inspiration is so important.
- [105:56]
Katee Sackhoff
So important. Starts with teachers, too, right?
- [105:58]
Joe Rogan
Sure.
- [105:59]
Katee Sackhoff
Kids need one good teacher.
- [106:00]
Joe Rogan
I had one good science teacher when I was in the seventh grade. And he said something that I think about all the time. I'd never thought about this before. He said, I want to you. You to really hurt your head. I want you to look up at the sky and think about how far forever is. Think about the idea of infinity. Just. Just really think about it. Just only look at the stars at night and think about infinity, because you can't. You can't even wrap your head around it. Yeah, he was an intense dude. He was a Vietnam vet. It was, like, a little shaken up, and you can kind of tell. But he really loved science. He really loved science. And he was. He was just trying to get us to understand how fucking crazy the world is. Like, we really want you to think about this.
- [106:51]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [106:51]
Joe Rogan
Like, you're on a planet in space, and I never thought about it before then. I was like, oh, the stars. There's the moon. I never really thought about forever. The idea of, like, even being able to imagine where. Where is my mind going when it's imagined. Imagining infinite space.
- [107:06]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. It's. It's crazy how small we are.
- [107:11]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [107:12]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. And.
- [107:13]
Joe Rogan
And we're probably. We were just going over this the other day. We're probably. The whole thing's probably fractal. There's this photograph. It's a crazy photograph of a human brain cell next to a map of the universe. And they look like the same thing. Thing. It's really weird.
- [107:32]
Katee Sackhoff
We're all, like, living in Orion's belt, around a cat's neck and men in black.
- [107:37]
Joe Rogan
My joke was that there's a guy. That's his eye, right? And he's depressed and he's going to blow his brains out. And that's the Big Bang we're a part of. Look at this. So on the left is a Brain cell on the right is the universe. Yeah.
- [107:53]
Katee Sackhoff
Wow.
- [107:54]
Joe Rogan
It's kind of nuts. I mean, it's kind of, like, dead on. It looks exactly like the same thing.
- [107:59]
Katee Sackhoff
It really does. I mean, they're both so beautiful.
- [108:03]
Joe Rogan
It's amazing. It's like the structure of it is amazing. But if. Why, why wouldn't we believe. If we believe in subatomic particles, okay, we believe there. There are things that exist in the subatomic world that are behaving like magic. Like they. They're moving and not moving at the same time. They appear and disappear. We don't know where they're going. There's some quantum entanglement that they show where particles that are not even remotely connected to respond to each other. Why wouldn't we think that we are subatomic in another being? That's true infinity. True infinity is not just the size of the universe itself being infinite, but of. Literally, your universe is a small part of another being that's in another universe.
- [108:53]
Katee Sackhoff
I mean, anything's possible, right?
- [108:58]
Joe Rogan
The whole thing's so weird.
- [108:59]
Katee Sackhoff
We know so little about the universe.
- [109:02]
Joe Rogan
Weird.
- [109:03]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [109:03]
Joe Rogan
It's so weird. We have no idea. We're literally flying through space and we're, you know, arguing over who's a Nazi. And the whole thing is just very bizarre. It's very bizarre.
- [109:15]
Katee Sackhoff
It is pretty amazing when you look at how small we are. We've started, like, reading our daughters interested in space. And so we've started looking at books and talking about the Milky Way and what the universe is and what Earth is and where we live. And it's pretty amazing when you realize how fragile the whole thing is, because we're so tiny.
- [109:40]
Joe Rogan
We're so tiny.
- [109:41]
Katee Sackhoff
We're so tiny.
- [109:42]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [109:43]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [109:44]
Joe Rogan
And our galaxy's so tiny. That's what's nuts. Our galaxy's immense. Hundreds of billions of stars. Tiny, little, tiny thing. Little, tiny, cute little galaxy. Little, tiny, little, little, sweetie little galaxy.
- [109:56]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh, look at that little dot right there.
- [109:57]
Joe Rogan
Have you been paying attention to this object that's hurtling towards earth? It's called a 30. They're calling it a 31.
- [110:05]
Katee Sackhoff
I try to avoid things that are going to give me nightmares. Are we gonna send. Are we gonna.
- [110:10]
Joe Rogan
Extraterrestrial perhaps.
- [110:12]
Katee Sackhoff
Is it really. We're gonna meet the aliens finally.
- [110:14]
Joe Rogan
There's something weird about it. We were just going over the other day, there was an article that was stating that whatever they use to detect, like, what. What is around this, like, what. They can detect the composition, whether it's, like, mostly water vapor, mostly Iron, this thing is giving off the indication that is an alloy that is only exists on Earth through industrial alloy making processes.
- [110:43]
Katee Sackhoff
Okay.
- [110:43]
Joe Rogan
That it's not a natural metal.
- [110:45]
Katee Sackhoff
Okay.
- [110:45]
Joe Rogan
And that's what, what they're getting is the signal that this thing that is hurling through space, this massive object that's moving by the way from the same direction in space where the wow. Signal came.
- [110:59]
Katee Sackhoff
I don't know what that is.
- [111:00]
Joe Rogan
The wow Signal is a they believe, intelligently generated signal that they picked up. I think it was in the 70s. Was in the 70s.
- [111:11]
Katee Sackhoff
I should know this. I'm going to lose my nerd.
- [111:13]
Joe Rogan
No, no, it's okay. It's, it's a weird one. It's a little obscure. So they, I don't know what the exact technique they were using to monitor radio waves in space, but they got a signal. So here it is, the wow signals. A powerful 72 second narrow band radio signal detected on August 15th, 15th, 1977 by the Big Ear radio telescope at Ohio State University, which initially suggested an Esther terrestrial extraterrestrial origin name for the wow. Written in printout by the astronomer Jerry. Amen. Amen. Amen. The signal had characteristics expected from a technological source, but follow up efforts have failed to detect it again. The leading hypothesis is that a natural, natural, natural astrophysical events such as a flare from a magnetar briefly illuminated a cold hydrogen cloud, causing it to emit radio signal similar to a laser or it's a laser and then this object is coming from that.
- [112:11]
Katee Sackhoff
From that area?
- [112:12]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, look at that. They sent you a signal and then now this thing is coming through there. So if you think like how fast this thing is going, if it came from, you know, the other side of the galaxy, it's probably exactly how long it would take to get here.
- [112:25]
Katee Sackhoff
So it's coming directly for Earth?
- [112:28]
Joe Rogan
No, it's coming near Earth.
- [112:30]
Katee Sackhoff
Right. So we're not worried it's gonna hit us?
- [112:31]
Joe Rogan
No, I don't believe we're worried that. Well, I'm gonna find out tomorrow. Avi Loeb, an astronomer from Harvard is coming on Amazing and he's gonna enlighten us as to what this thing is all about. But it's weird. Like as it gets closer, it's weirder and weirder. They've never seen anything like this thing about.
- [112:47]
Katee Sackhoff
But is it possible then that another planet, planet out in the universes like isn't made up of, has alloy properties and it could have chipped off and it's now hurtling through space?
- [113:03]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, you would have to ask like a Metallurgist. That question. That's a good question. They just know the only way it exists on Earth is through this industrial process. If it is that stuff. Yeah, why do they think it's that stuff? Do you remember that article? We looked it up like a couple days ago, ago. It look, it's so fun to think it's a spaceship to. So fun. The Cylons are coming because they might be. They might be.
- [113:26]
Katee Sackhoff
Do you think they're coming to save us or.
- [113:28]
Joe Rogan
I think they would have already stepped in if they were going to do that. They would have stepped in. Yeah, sure. There's been, you know, they would have stepped in right after World War II. Like hey, hey, hey, with the nukes.
- [113:39]
Katee Sackhoff
Or do you think they're just up, up there going, you're going to have to save yourself, kids.
- [113:43]
Joe Rogan
Capricorn perhaps. Maybe. Perhaps it's a process that all intelligent emerging life goes through. And then, you know, you have to kind of let it go through the process. Like you have to let your kids fall down. In contrast to all node comets, including the interstellar comet 21 Borisov, the observed spectrum, the gas plume around 31 Atlas shows prominent nickel emission but no evidence for iron. Other than 31 Atlas, this anomaly was only known to exist in industrially produced nickel alloy alloys through the carbonal chemical pathway which refines nickel through the formation and decomposition of nickel tetracarbol carbonal, tetracarbonal. The authors of the new paper postulate that this carbonyl process is realized naturally near the nucleus of 31 Atlas. They argue that this in situ formation of this thing predicts that nickel should be strongly concentrated near the nuclear nucleus. So it's like the whole thing is some very weird metal. That's the point. And it's, it's also there. It's weird the way it's moving. What are they saying about the way it's moving? There's something about self correcting or something. I think they thought it had some emission. I don't know, looked like a jet, but I don't think so. It seemed. No, it did seem like they were saying that it's very far away.
- [115:05]
Katee Sackhoff
It's very far away. So maybe it's the silence coming back. They're like, we have to go save our parents.
- [115:12]
Joe Rogan
See, they got a telescope that actually took video of it.
- [115:15]
Katee Sackhoff
That's what amazes me is that we have telescopes that can see that far.
- [115:18]
Joe Rogan
I can send it to you, Jamie. This guy has it on his Twitter page, but it's like, it's very Low resolution, obviously, because it's fucking millions of miles away. But whatever it is, is really weird. It's really weird.
- [115:32]
Katee Sackhoff
You know, people ask me all the time if I believe in aliens. I think just because of what I do for a living and the genre that I'm in, I can't wait to.
- [115:40]
Joe Rogan
Talk to you about aliens.
- [115:40]
Katee Sackhoff
What I always say, you're gonna be vastly disappointed that I know so little about them. But what I always say is, I think it's a line from a movie where it would be an awful waste of space if it was just us.
- [115:54]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, that is a line in a movie.
- [115:55]
Katee Sackhoff
I don't remember what movie it's from. The movie with Jodie Foster.
- [115:58]
Joe Rogan
Contact.
- [115:59]
Katee Sackhoff
Contact. When her dad. Dad says to her that it would be an awful waste of space.
- [116:04]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [116:04]
Katee Sackhoff
Beautiful movie.
- [116:05]
Joe Rogan
It's a great movie. Carl Sagan wrote that book. That's it. So this is the thing. Like, what is that? What the fuck is this? Like, obviously, low resolution, obviously moving through space, but also. What the hell is that?
- [116:24]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, it seems to be moving pretty quickly. Yeah.
- [116:26]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it looks like a spaceship.
- [116:29]
Katee Sackhoff
I mean, it also looks like a dust bunny.
- [116:31]
Joe Rogan
I was showing my friend Matt last night, we were having dinner and I was showing him videos of praying mantises killing hummingbirds. Because he didn't believe it.
- [116:39]
Katee Sackhoff
Stop.
- [116:39]
Joe Rogan
He's like, no way.
- [116:40]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, they're big. Praying mantises can be quite big, right?
- [116:43]
Joe Rogan
Not in comparison to hummingbirds. It's crazy how strong they are.
- [116:47]
Katee Sackhoff
Like, stop. They literally kill hummingbirds.
- [116:49]
Joe Rogan
Snatch hummingbirds right off feeder. So they sit. Sit by the hummingbird feeder, most motionless, and the hummingbird comes in to take a drink and just snatches them.
- [116:56]
Katee Sackhoff
What do they do with them?
- [116:57]
Joe Rogan
Eat them.
- [116:58]
Katee Sackhoff
Stop.
- [116:59]
Joe Rogan
It's crazy. Praying mantises are.
- [117:02]
Katee Sackhoff
Makes me really sad.
- [117:04]
Joe Rogan
Ruthless. I have one.
- [117:05]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, they eat their own young, right?
- [117:07]
Joe Rogan
They probably do. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if they do that, but I know that they, like, they put a praying mantis in a box and then they'll drop a roach in and the praying mantis just. Just snatches it up and just starts eating the roach alive.
- [117:20]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, but that doesn't make me feel.
- [117:21]
Joe Rogan
Bad, but it does it to this bird.
- [117:23]
Katee Sackhoff
That makes me feel bad.
- [117:24]
Joe Rogan
But the thing is, like, why couldn't that be an intelligent life form from another planet and then come here on 31 Atlas and land? I mean, that is a possibility.
- [117:35]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, that's the thing, right, is that we spend so much time, or I guess in our imagination, we've been conditioned to think that intelligent life looks like something from these movies. So we all think intelligent life is. Is, you know, these guys with big heads or they look like us or, you know, whatever we think. But they absolutely could literally be a flea.
- [117:55]
Joe Rogan
It could be a six foot tall mantis.
- [117:57]
Katee Sackhoff
It could be. Yeah, yeah.
- [117:59]
Joe Rogan
And then we'd be in real trouble.
- [118:00]
Katee Sackhoff
Real trouble. It's like, absolutely.
- [118:04]
Joe Rogan
Show her one of those praying mantises getting a hummingbird.
- [118:07]
Katee Sackhoff
This is gonna make me really sad, you guys.
- [118:09]
Joe Rogan
It makes me sad too. I love hummingbirds. Yes. I love hummingbirds.
- [118:12]
Katee Sackhoff
Have you ever wanted to wear one of those things hats with the hummingbird feeders on it?
- [118:17]
Joe Rogan
Do people do that? That's so crazy.
- [118:19]
Katee Sackhoff
Like they'll put the little things and they just stay really silk.
- [118:21]
Joe Rogan
They're a beautiful little bird.
- [118:23]
Katee Sackhoff
They're gorgeous.
- [118:23]
Joe Rogan
Weird little bird too. And the way they're able to change direction and move, it's amazing.
- [118:27]
Katee Sackhoff
I didn't realize our house where we live now, they stop all the time. So like they'll sit on the branches and stuff, which is really rare to see.
- [118:35]
Joe Rogan
So this is. Praying mantises are so nasty.
- [118:39]
Katee Sackhoff
But look at it. It kind of knows.
- [118:42]
Joe Rogan
Well, that one, oh my God, he.
- [118:43]
Katee Sackhoff
Grabbed us by his beak.
- [118:44]
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah. Reached out and just snagged them. The thing is, they're so strong for their size. I mean that's. That is literally like a person trying to take out a cow.
- [118:53]
Katee Sackhoff
Go down. There was one. That one. The. With the praying mantis and the scorpion.
- [118:58]
Joe Rogan
Oh, praying mantis. Gonna kill that scorpion. That scorpion doesn't have a fucking chance. I don't know. That's what I'm guessing. Yeah, look, he's already on top of him. Yeah, he just mounted him.
- [119:09]
Katee Sackhoff
But then look at. He's avoiding the.
- [119:11]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, he's gonna figure it out.
- [119:12]
Katee Sackhoff
He's also avoiding the stinger. Like, what is happening?
- [119:15]
Joe Rogan
What is happening? They're probably both trying to figure out why they're in there together.
- [119:18]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh my God. This is the shit of nightmares for me.
- [119:23]
Joe Rogan
Praying mantises are not. They're monsters. See if you can find videos of praying mantises eating roaches. There's like a whole mantis page on Instagram where they put like a different bug in there. With praying mantises.
- [119:36]
Katee Sackhoff
How do we know it's not AI.
- [119:37]
Joe Rogan
Created though, guys, because this has been around for years. Yeah, yeah, Praying mantis is. Oh, look, they fuck up giant lizards. They kill lizards. Like the lizard tried to eat him at the beginning of it.
- [119:47]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh my God.
- [119:47]
Joe Rogan
If you Watch the video, the actual video. The lizard tried to eat him. He's like, not today, bitch. I'll be eating you.
- [119:53]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh, yeah.
- [119:54]
Joe Rogan
That poor lizard thought he was gonna eat the praying mantis. And the praying mantis is eating him. Like, we are so lucky that they're living little. We're so lucky.
- [120:04]
Katee Sackhoff
We are so. I hate it.
- [120:05]
Joe Rogan
Because if they were big and smart.
- [120:07]
Katee Sackhoff
No. And then there's a bird. I don't want to see the birds killing that bird. Oh my God.
- [120:10]
Joe Rogan
I found. Which I hadn't seen before. It's. It's hanging upside down from a flower. Eating right here. Eating. Oh my God. It's like. It's a big bird too. That is wild.
- [120:20]
Katee Sackhoff
My God.
- [120:22]
Joe Rogan
They are just monsters. I mean, that's like Alien from the movie Alien. That's what it's like.
- [120:27]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh, my God.
- [120:28]
Joe Rogan
It's just little.
- [120:29]
Katee Sackhoff
My entire mind has been blown.
- [120:32]
Joe Rogan
Right. Look at that. That's what a praying mantis can do. Hang upside down while it's eating a.
- [120:37]
Katee Sackhoff
Bird and literally hanging onto the petals of a flower.
- [120:41]
Joe Rogan
Like it's nothing. Upside down and with no strain at all. It's not.
- [120:45]
Katee Sackhoff
None whatsoever.
- [120:46]
Joe Rogan
It's carrying a fucking bird that's like five times bigger than its body.
- [120:49]
Katee Sackhoff
It's like a barn swallow.
- [120:51]
Joe Rogan
It's crazy.
- [120:52]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh, my God.
- [120:53]
Joe Rogan
The crazy thing is these stupid lizards that think they're going to eat. Eat them.
- [120:56]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh my God.
- [120:57]
Joe Rogan
I mean, it is such a bizarre creature.
- [121:00]
Katee Sackhoff
I don't want to see anything.
- [121:03]
Joe Rogan
Oh, they do it all the time. They get hummingbirds. So he's just. A lot of these have no action though too. I've seen.
- [121:09]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh my God.
- [121:10]
Joe Rogan
Trying to capture stuff. But these go back as long as YouTube does. Some of those are 15 year old videos. That's.
- [121:16]
Katee Sackhoff
Those are the ones I would try. Oh, but they get them so quickly. Why do they stop moving so quickly?
- [121:20]
Joe Rogan
They're so fast.
- [121:21]
Katee Sackhoff
Because they're so strong too.
- [121:23]
Joe Rogan
Looks that one looks fake. Yeah. I mean now it's created within four weeks. I start going, all right. Oh, that looks. That looks like. Oh yeah, that's AI. But the other ones are. Those cell phone ones are real. They're just unbelievably strong.
- [121:34]
Katee Sackhoff
That's crazy. I had no idea.
- [121:36]
Joe Rogan
And if there's like a spaceship filled with those, they're all smart. They're way smarter than us.
- [121:41]
Katee Sackhoff
We're done. I think I saw a three year old boy getting ready to take on a praying mantis too. I think he's going to lose in one of those videos. So Future generations are not looking good. Right?
- [121:50]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. If you walk up to a mantis, they'll be like, what bitch? Stand up.
- [121:53]
Katee Sackhoff
They will. On their hind legs.
- [121:54]
Joe Rogan
They'll fight. We're just lucky they're little. Right.
- [121:59]
Katee Sackhoff
It's terrifying. It's absolutely. I'm gonna go home and tell my husband all about this, not my daughter.
- [122:05]
Joe Rogan
So that's what they have to think about with this 31 atlas. If it's filled with reptilians, then we got problems.
- [122:11]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh my God. I cannot laugh at children. Oh, no. See, I told you there was one.
- [122:15]
Joe Rogan
Oh, Jesus. Oh God. He's just. He's like, fuck you. He tried to eat the baby.
- [122:20]
Katee Sackhoff
He did. He tried to eat the baby.
- [122:23]
Joe Rogan
That's how gangster pregnant. Oh my God.
- [122:25]
Katee Sackhoff
It went after that baby. He was like, fuck you. I will eat your entire body.
- [122:30]
Joe Rogan
The thing is crazy.
- [122:31]
Katee Sackhoff
Before someone comes to rescue you, we.
- [122:32]
Joe Rogan
Don'T think of them as being like vicious.
- [122:35]
Katee Sackhoff
No. I look at them and think that they're super cool. Like I, I would have been that 3 year old kid if I'd ever seen one in our yard. I would have been like, hey, honey.
- [122:43]
Joe Rogan
A regular like green mantis. They've. There are some wild mantises out there.
- [122:47]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh yeah, there's more.
- [122:49]
Joe Rogan
Kung fu mantis. Wow, look at that one. Those are beautiful. What, what is that one called? Kung Fu mantis. What a beautiful looking insect. Just imagine a planet where that's the size of a horse.
- [123:04]
Katee Sackhoff
No, we're. If that's what's on. I mean this copper thing that's coming towards us.
- [123:08]
Joe Rogan
I just got super lucky that the insect world world is small.
- [123:12]
Katee Sackhoff
It's true.
- [123:13]
Joe Rogan
Somehow or another it worked out that way where the insect world is small. Because if the insect world was as big as the mammal world, it would be a wash. It would be over.
- [123:22]
Katee Sackhoff
Like if they were the size of elephants.
- [123:23]
Joe Rogan
Well, if they're size of dogs, they'd kill us all.
- [123:26]
Katee Sackhoff
That's true.
- [123:27]
Joe Rogan
Look at that. The one praying mantis can do. Look at that one perfect flower.
- [123:33]
Katee Sackhoff
That's a praying man. What is that thing?
- [123:34]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, that's the. That's the one we were just looking at this little guy.
- [123:37]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [123:38]
Joe Rogan
And that's a bigger one. Big giant mantis.
- [123:41]
Katee Sackhoff
Holy.
- [123:42]
Joe Rogan
That's crazy. I don't know. We probably have to listen to the video to hear what kind it is. What is it? What is it going to do? Like where's. Oh, it's heads. The white part in the front.
- [123:50]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. That thing that looks like a.
- [123:52]
Joe Rogan
The arms folded up. Whoa.
- [123:54]
Katee Sackhoff
Wait, where's his arms folded up?
- [123:55]
Joe Rogan
Oh, his arms are folded right in front. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness.
- [124:01]
Katee Sackhoff
He just. Oh, my God. He just bit his head off. Whoa, whoa.
- [124:04]
Joe Rogan
Maybe they just made it. Who knows? Jeez. That's what the females do after mating.
- [124:08]
Katee Sackhoff
They do they just eat them?
- [124:10]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, they up the men. Yeah, well, that's, that's, that's how you stay small. Nature's like, you're too gangster. We have to keep you little.
- [124:19]
Katee Sackhoff
We have to keep it.
- [124:19]
Joe Rogan
It's like Chihuahuas and honey badgers. Was the size of a wolf, we'd have a real.
- [124:25]
Katee Sackhoff
Have a real problem. Real problem.
- [124:27]
Joe Rogan
Make them little so that they're so gangster, they just, they never could take over the whole forest.
- [124:33]
Katee Sackhoff
Honey badger, like, imagine if like a.
- [124:37]
Joe Rogan
Honey badger was the size of a horse and they just take over entire swaths of land. There probably were things like that.
- [124:45]
Katee Sackhoff
There probably were back in the day. And now we have chickens left.
- [124:49]
Joe Rogan
Do you have to keep up on a certain amount of sci fi because of playing Starbucks? Do you feel like an obligation to your fans to like, hold on to a certain amount of sci fi information?
- [124:59]
Katee Sackhoff
Yes and no. I, I feel that I have to maintain and hold onto a respect for the genre and the knowledge that I will never have that there are people that can come up to me and tell me the entire history of Star Wars. And before I was in Star Wars, I considered myself a Star wars fan. And then I got in Star wars and I was like, oh, I don't know shit about anything.
- [125:28]
Joe Rogan
It's a big ass universe now.
- [125:30]
Katee Sackhoff
It is.
- [125:30]
Joe Rogan
Especially now, keeping up on Mandalorian stuff.
- [125:34]
Katee Sackhoff
It's like, no, you can't keep up on anything. So I just, I always just say I would love to know more about that. Can you please?
- [125:43]
Joe Rogan
That's good.
- [125:43]
Katee Sackhoff
Can you please enlighten me? Because I don't know. I really don't know. And like, these, you know, I have found that the sci fi community, especially, like one of my favorite things is going to conventions because I love, I just, I love meeting people and like new people and meeting the people that are fans of the work. And we always have things in common. And, and I would, I would be so bold as to. To say that sci fi fans are some of the smartest people I've ever met.
- [126:15]
Joe Rogan
I'm sure there are a lot of nerds.
- [126:17]
Katee Sackhoff
They're very, very, very smart. And I just, I cannot compete with that. I can tell you the lines that I can't forget. There are lines like from Battlestar Galactica. We've got violent decompressions irradiating from the port flight pod. I thought I was gonna be fired. Cause I couldn't say it. I had to write it down. I had to tape it to my Viper. I was like, oh, my God, they're gonna find out. Oh, my God. Like, I shouldn't be here. This is crazy. I'm an imposter. And then I find now I can't forget it. I had a line for. From Mandalorian that I couldn't remember for the life of me. And so I kept memorizing it with my husband, and he was throwing tennis balls at my face. So we were. I was catching tennis balls as I was memorizing it.
- [127:01]
Joe Rogan
God, it was that hard.
- [127:02]
Katee Sackhoff
It was very hard, but it was. Pirate King Gorion Shard is captaining a cumulus class corsair of violent snub fighters.
- [127:11]
Joe Rogan
Oh, Jesus.
- [127:13]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [127:13]
Joe Rogan
Oh, my God.
- [127:14]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. It was just like, somebody hates you.
- [127:16]
Joe Rogan
In the writers room.
- [127:17]
Katee Sackhoff
It's possible, you know, you never know.
- [127:21]
Joe Rogan
That seems so mean to make someone try to say that. You say it. Fucking you say it first.
- [127:25]
Katee Sackhoff
True. There are times I have since, like, Ron Moore was on my podcast, and I told him that, like, for 25 years, I have not been able to forget this fucking violent decompressions line. And he was like, I'm so sorry.
- [127:36]
Joe Rogan
That's hilarious. That's very funny.
- [127:38]
Katee Sackhoff
Because he's aware. Like, he's aware that, you know, he's making actors say shit that you should never have to say in real life. And then, furthermore, you have to try and decipher it. You know, like, one of my jobs is to take something I don't understand and then say it with authority as if I do understand it. So I have to dissect it and learn what certain things mean. And if I don't understand it, I have to give it context in something that I do understand in order to sound like I am not an idiot, which at times is hard. So, you know, it's. God, the jargon is. I learned the tennis ball technique with my husband, though. That's a great technique.
- [128:15]
Joe Rogan
That sounds like a good technique. You remember while you're catching tennis balls, then you really remember it.
- [128:20]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [128:20]
Joe Rogan
That is a crazy sentence to try to remember.
- [128:23]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. It was not easy. Not easy.
- [128:25]
Joe Rogan
You're a part of something that. That people in sci fi. That I think is very interesting. Sci fi is, I think, the genre of action that has the most badass women.
- [128:39]
Katee Sackhoff
100%. Yeah. At least it did. It did For a long time.
- [128:43]
Joe Rogan
I think the OG is obviously Sigourney Weaver.
- [128:47]
Katee Sackhoff
100% that.
- [128:49]
Joe Rogan
I mean, that is like an aside. No one is like, oh, it's a strong female lead. That is an aside to an insane movie. And an amazing performance. Like that last scene when she kills that thing.
- [129:03]
Katee Sackhoff
Yes. Oh, yeah. Yes. Amazing. That character. When I saw that movie, I was like, I want to be her.
- [129:15]
Joe Rogan
Right?
- [129:15]
Katee Sackhoff
Because up till then, I only wanted to be Bruce Willis. I wanted to, like, save the Naka Domi building, you know? Like, I wanted these. I loved action movies with my dad, and when he started realizing that I had this affinity toward these movies, he started showing me movies with strong female leads. And Sigourney was the one where I saw that performance. And she was everything. She was strong, she was capable, she was smart, she was feminine. She was funny. She was so. She was everything.
- [129:45]
Joe Rogan
And it was a perfect movie.
- [129:47]
Katee Sackhoff
It was a perfect movie. It was a perfect movie. Number. Number two, possibly better, even.
- [129:54]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. This is a scene where she blows it out. I disagree.
- [129:58]
Katee Sackhoff
You do?
- [129:58]
Joe Rogan
Yes. Because number two, the aliens are too easy to kill. This motherfucker's so hard to kill.
- [130:04]
Katee Sackhoff
So hard to kill.
- [130:05]
Joe Rogan
In the second one, they're just gunning them down.
- [130:07]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [130:07]
Joe Rogan
It was a different thing. Thing. It's a different thing. Look, they're both great movies. I really loved Aliens, but the thing about Alien, the first one was that thing was re. Amazing movie.
- [130:19]
Katee Sackhoff
I mean, the way that. I mean, just the. I mean, it's just such an amazing shot.
- [130:23]
Joe Rogan
It's. It's a perfect movie.
- [130:25]
Katee Sackhoff
The framing of that.
- [130:26]
Joe Rogan
There was never one moment in that movie where you saw what was coming next.
- [130:30]
Katee Sackhoff
No, because we hadn't seen anything like it.
- [130:32]
Joe Rogan
Nothing. You know, chest burster scene. I remember being.
- [130:36]
Katee Sackhoff
Look at the utter fucking exhaustion on her face.
- [130:41]
Joe Rogan
Crazy.
- [130:42]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [130:43]
Joe Rogan
The chestburster scene was like, what the fuck? What? I remember being in the movie theater. I had no idea that was gonna happen. There's no Internet back then.
- [130:53]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [130:53]
Joe Rogan
Watch that. Like, this movie is nuts. And that little thing was running around on the ground and his chest was burst open.
- [131:01]
Katee Sackhoff
So gross.
- [131:01]
Joe Rogan
Everyone's screaming, there's blood everywhere. It was. Was wild.
- [131:05]
Katee Sackhoff
This is one of. Probably, in my opinion, one of the best movies of all time.
- [131:10]
Joe Rogan
Oh, I agree. 100. And again, the fact that it was a strong female lead was just. There's a tiny little part of the movie. It was just. She was so good. You didn't even think, oh, it's a strong female lead. You're like, well, no, because they didn't.
- [131:25]
Katee Sackhoff
Tell you this is a strong female lead.
- [131:28]
Joe Rogan
No, exactly.
- [131:29]
Katee Sackhoff
They just created a phenomenal character and made her a woman.
- [131:32]
Joe Rogan
Exactly. And she just played the part perfectly.
- [131:35]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [131:36]
Joe Rogan
This.
- [131:36]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh, this scene. This scene.
- [131:38]
Joe Rogan
Nuts. It was so nuts because you didn't know what is happening.
- [131:43]
Katee Sackhoff
I know.
- [131:44]
Joe Rogan
People have to realize, like before movies were spoiled, there was no spoiler alerts back then. You didn't get to watch clips.
- [131:51]
Katee Sackhoff
But even just the way it's shot, the frenetic energy of the camera matching the frenetic energy of his body.
- [131:57]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. This is such a crazy scene.
- [132:02]
Katee Sackhoff
It's crazy.
- [132:06]
Joe Rogan
Bro. Again, 1979, this is happening. I mean, the special effects back then were nuts. To have something like this is probably the greatest believable monster special effects in any movie up to this point. Point. I mean, by far. That was a little. That one was like. It was on wheels. That was a little silly.
- [132:30]
Katee Sackhoff
It's on a piece of string. Someone's pulling it.
- [132:32]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it moved a little weird. But, you know, it's an alien you.
- [132:35]
Katee Sackhoff
Were still scared of, though.
- [132:36]
Joe Rogan
I'm still scared. But then when you see the actual alien itself, you're like, what the hell is that? You never saw anything like that before. Not only was it completely unique in its design, it was horrific. And it looked like an insect. Like an insect and a reptile at the same time.
- [132:55]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. Sci fi was a place because I. So I was a huge fan of strong women and genre work. And I found myself gravitating toward sci fi because that's where women existed that I identified with. And I saw myself like, you know, I didn't see myself as like this, you know. Well, the characters I played when I moved to California, it didn't feel like me, you know, And I really found sort of my calling, I guess, when I started watching those women. And I loved Sarah Michelle Gellar and I loved Lucy Lawless and I loved Linda Hamilton and Carrie Fisher and Linda. Like a lot of these women that were just really, really great characters and they were written as great characters. And Starbuck was. And if you talk to Ron Moore about it, the reason why he made Starbuck and Boomer Women, he didn't think about it. He just said, okay, we've got. These are the characters from the original. These are the characters we're gonna put. In my version, women are in the military. Women do exist in combat roles now. And we are making this for, you know, the early aughts. We have to be representative of what the military looks like. We need to make a Couple of these characters fit women. And he just said, this one and this one. He didn't even give it any thought, you know? And so I think part of the reason why they were so great, the characters were so great was that they were just great characters, right? The writing was so great. There was never a time where they were like, she's the best female pilot around.
- [134:43]
Joe Rogan
Right? You know, it was just like Linda Hamilton in Terminator. It's like, she's just a great. It's just a great character.
- [134:48]
Katee Sackhoff
She's just a great character and with a motivation that we all can identify with. So it's. It's. And that's why she was such a great character. And. And, you know, she opened so many doors for me because then people started to believe that I was tough.
- [135:04]
Joe Rogan
And how many girls started doing chin ups after they saw Linda Hamilton in the Terminator?
- [135:09]
Katee Sackhoff
Please. And it's. Chin ups are fucking hard. I know.
- [135:12]
Joe Rogan
She's jacked.
- [135:13]
Katee Sackhoff
She's jacked. I can't.
- [135:14]
Joe Rogan
She got so fit for that movie.
- [135:15]
Katee Sackhoff
I did a Spartan race with my husband. Cause on my podcast channel, I was, you know, during COVID and then like, before COVID we were. I was creating content of sort of like, Katie did sort of stuff like, I'd love to do that. This. Let's film it and see what it's like. So we signed up for a Spartan race and then recorded the whole thing. And my husband not only ran his race, but then ran my race too, like, recording the whole thing. That's the hardest thing I've ever done. Like, getting in shape for that thing. I got in shape for six months before. That was hard. And getting to a point where I actually could do chin ups and then also pull ups too, I was like, wow, I'm strong. I felt so strong at one point. So I get to the actual race, and I'd been training with such heavy shit that I got to the medicine ball, where you have to pick it up, carry it, and throw it, and then pick it up and carry it and throw it. And it was so light for me, and I was prepared for it to be, like, so heavy. I got to it and I picked it up and then, like, I threw it and it kept going and I had to slow down because I had to go get the ball and bring it back to where it was supposed to be. I'd gotten almost too strong.
- [136:16]
Joe Rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
- [136:17]
Katee Sackhoff
It was really awesome. It was so fun.
- [136:19]
Joe Rogan
It's nice to know that you can get strong, though. That, like, that Feeling is a nice feeling. I wish everybody felt that. Yeah, get, get physically better. You'll feel better.
- [136:28]
Katee Sackhoff
But I had fun doing it, you know what I mean? And I also set myself a goal. I think that's really important too, like for some people that it's daunting setting a goal. And the goal doesn't need to be winning, the goal just needs to be finishing.
- [136:43]
Joe Rogan
Why do you think it is that like sci fi in particular embraced these like gangster women. Characters. Characters.
- [136:51]
Katee Sackhoff
So my opinion on this is that I feel like because science fiction doesn't exist, because you're existing in these make believe worlds, that strong women were not intimidating in sci fi because we could be dismissed as not, but that wouldn't happen in real life.
- [137:11]
Joe Rogan
Interesting.
- [137:12]
Katee Sackhoff
So that's interesting. So men could then watch these, Right.
- [137:16]
Joe Rogan
And not be threatened.
- [137:18]
Katee Sackhoff
That's my opinion.
- [137:19]
Joe Rogan
I bet, I bet you're right. I bet that's. That's the only thing that makes sense now that I'm thinking about it.
- [137:25]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, I think so.
- [137:26]
Joe Rogan
Because like, there's no female John Wick.
- [137:31]
Katee Sackhoff
No, no.
- [137:32]
Joe Rogan
Well, there is that one.
- [137:33]
Katee Sackhoff
Ballerina.
- [137:34]
Joe Rogan
No, that one. The Emily one. The one that Kevin James was in. It's a crazy movie about this young girl who just kills all these bad guys.
- [137:45]
Katee Sackhoff
Like I have no idea.
- [137:46]
Joe Rogan
It's kind of like tongue in cheek, like. But it's hyper violent. It's crazy. That's what it's called, right? Emily? I think there's two of them. There was one where this. They. They killed her dad and they killed her family and so she killed everybody and then she came. And then the second one, she came back and killed more people. It's like a young cute girl who just knows how to kill everybody.
- [138:10]
Katee Sackhoff
I mean, look, it's kind of fun. It's kind of fun.
- [138:12]
Joe Rogan
It's a funny movie.
- [138:13]
Katee Sackhoff
When I went through.
- [138:15]
Joe Rogan
What is it, Jamie? Whatever Kevin James was in, it was about a young girl kills everybody.
- [138:22]
Katee Sackhoff
Kevin James?
- [138:23]
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Kevin James was a bad guy. He was. He played a white supremacist. Movie's called Becky. Becky.
- [138:29]
Katee Sackhoff
That's Becky.
- [138:30]
Joe Rogan
Becky. Yeah. Isn't there. There was a. There's a second one though, right? Well, there's a movie called Emily and there's no. What was the. No, it is Becky. You're right. But there was a movie before Becky.
- [138:40]
Katee Sackhoff
I believe 72% on Rotten Tomatoes.
- [138:42]
Joe Rogan
Oh, it's fun. The Wrath of Becky also came out. That's right.
- [138:46]
Katee Sackhoff
I just saw Ballerina.
- [138:47]
Joe Rogan
That's it. I actually thought that was really good first one. Right? No, this is the second one. That's the second one. This is the first one. I thought there was a prelude to either way.
- [138:56]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [138:57]
Joe Rogan
Fun ass movie.
- [138:58]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh, Joel McHale's in it.
- [138:59]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, he's great.
- [139:00]
Katee Sackhoff
Fun.
- [139:00]
Joe Rogan
It's a fun ass movie. But it's like, that's the female John Wick.
- [139:04]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, I think everybody's trying to create these, like, strong female characters now. And I think that one of the biggest problems with a lot of them is that they're not focusing on the character to begin with. Like, we talked about, like, write a strong character and then just make her a woman.
- [139:22]
Joe Rogan
Right.
- [139:23]
Katee Sackhoff
You know, like, don't write a strong.
- [139:25]
Joe Rogan
Character that you have to have a woman.
- [139:26]
Katee Sackhoff
Right. I think that's part of it because they're all trying to create. There's so many of them now. Right. And I love to see them and I love to give them chances, but a lot of times the. The. I want to also see somebody that's believable in the role as well. Right. Like, one of the funnest, the things that I love to do is transform my body depending on what character I'm playing. Within reason, there's only so much I can do or that I want to do. But. But, you know, for my show, Another Life, my character wakes up from cryo. I wanted her to look, like, dehydrated and sinewy and like really, really, really lean. Like almost unhealthy lean. And I got myself down to such a low body fat. It was crazy. It was like, what did you eat.
- [140:13]
Joe Rogan
To get down like that?
- [140:15]
Katee Sackhoff
1450 a day, 1550 a day. Something around that time when I was cutting, but I packed on muscle and then cut like, really hard for like three weeks before. And I was eating a lot of protein and I got myself so low that my menstruation stopped. And I was like, oh, this is too low. This is really low.
- [140:42]
Joe Rogan
That happens with a lot of marathon runners.
- [140:44]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, it was quite low. But I got to where I wanted to be. I looked the way I wanted to look, and then I naturally put on, you know, a healthy amount of weight as the series went on, which is what I wanted to do anyway. But so I want to see not someone do something detrimental to their health necessarily. But I do want to. I want to see the muscle. I want to see the capability in a character that's kicking ass, you know?
- [141:06]
Joe Rogan
Right. You want it to be believable.
- [141:08]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [141:09]
Joe Rogan
Right.
- [141:09]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [141:11]
Joe Rogan
Like when they all got in insane shape for that movie. 300.
- [141:16]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh, my God. It's like, that would be like the best job in the world for me. If they're like, we're gonna give you tons of time and tons of money to just get in the best shape of your life.
- [141:28]
Joe Rogan
Here's some trainers. We got like six months.
- [141:30]
Katee Sackhoff
Let's do it.
- [141:31]
Joe Rogan
There was a lot of people that thought that they used AI for that. They used some AI for sure. Because that was a crazy movie for 300. Yeah. While they used 300, had a lot of AI because it was.
- [141:41]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
- [141:42]
Joe Rogan
Excuse me. I should say not AI. I should say cgi.
- [141:44]
Katee Sackhoff
It had CGI for sure.
- [141:46]
Joe Rogan
That's what I should say.
- [141:47]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [141:47]
Joe Rogan
Because obviously the giant Persian king was not really that big. There was, there was a lot of like fantasy elements of that.
- [141:55]
Katee Sackhoff
Right.
- [141:55]
Joe Rogan
But I think they really did get an insane shape. And a lot of people like dismissed that and said, that's cgi. But there's videos of those guys working out, like, getting ready. Yeah, look at these guys just going crazy getting ready to film this movie. I mean, they trained like animals, so you can see the workout. So they really did just develop incredible bodies, which the nutty thing is anybody can do. You just have to do it. Do what they did. You'll get a lot better.
- [142:27]
Katee Sackhoff
It's a lot of hard work, though. It's not that easy. Yes, on paper is easy, but like being the mom of two kids though.
- [142:34]
Joe Rogan
Oh yeah.
- [142:35]
Katee Sackhoff
Like it's. And having a job, I. In the last two years, I'm hard pressed to find time to work out. And I wake up at 5 o' clock in the morning, so I'm awake before my kids. And you know, I choose during that time to, you know, meditate, write my journal, breathe, take time to myself. And then they wake up. I haven't quite figured out how to fit in my workouts.
- [142:59]
Joe Rogan
Well, that's an obligation. That's very different. Right. Your mom, mother. You know that you're doing the absolute right thing. You're dedicating all your time to being a mom when you're there. That's just how it is. But for, you know, for the amount of hours that are in a day, it would be nice if you could just get a little time to yourself. As they get older, you'll have more time to yourself and then you'll be able to get back on track. But yeah, for people that have the time and don't do it, that's the waste time of potential of your resources. Like, you don't have to do a lot, just do some body squats and do some push ups and you don't.
- [143:39]
Katee Sackhoff
Need a lot of equipment either. I think that's the thing. I think that we've made physical fitness in some way because it's an industry. I think we've made it daunting for a lot of people. And, you know, I think that if you just focus on the things the tried and true, like you can do that stuff in your house without weights or with things that are heavy in your house, you know, you can actually make products.
- [144:00]
Joe Rogan
Sure. And if you don't know anybody to teach you how to do stuff, all you have to do is go on YouTube. Just go on YouTube and look up beginner body weight workout. I'm sure there's a bunch of them out there.
- [144:09]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [144:10]
Joe Rogan
And you can do stuff with no physical fitness equipment. Just do push ups and sit ups and body weight squats and you can get a great workout in that way.
- [144:17]
Katee Sackhoff
It's true.
- [144:17]
Joe Rogan
And nobody has to watch you. You don't have to feel self conscious. Just you and your phone.
- [144:21]
Katee Sackhoff
Shit. You can go to my YouTube channel. Because during COVID I was doing my workouts and I said to my husband, I. I was like, might as well record this shit and put it out there. So. Yeah. And all of them are fun and interesting and easy. And people still come up to me and they're like, I lost. You know, a man came up to me at a convention the other day, said he lost over 80 pounds doing the workouts that I put and signed it for a Spartan race. Spartan race. And I was like, that's awesome. I love that. That's so cool.
- [144:48]
Joe Rogan
That's very cool. See, that's a great thing. They're your fans. They see you working. I'm like, oh, my God, I'm gonna work out with her.
- [144:53]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [144:54]
Joe Rogan
And everybody works out together.
- [144:55]
Katee Sackhoff
Great. Yeah.
- [144:56]
Joe Rogan
See, that's the great use of the Internet. The Internet has a lot of great uses.
- [145:00]
Katee Sackhoff
You can learn anything on the Internet.
- [145:02]
Joe Rogan
You can learn anything. You can find out stuff, how to. How to make things and fix things and get information about something you never thought you were interested in. Like, look, you never thought that praying mantises were so scary.
- [145:13]
Katee Sackhoff
And now I know. But you know what I'm doing?
- [145:15]
Joe Rogan
What?
- [145:16]
Katee Sackhoff
I'm now already in my head trying to write a children's book about praying mantis.
- [145:21]
Joe Rogan
Oh, you are?
- [145:21]
Katee Sackhoff
I am. It's like, that's my adhd. Like, I'm already.
- [145:24]
Joe Rogan
You started once you saw that.
- [145:26]
Katee Sackhoff
Once I did.
- [145:26]
Joe Rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
- [145:28]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [145:28]
Joe Rogan
Well, I want a copy of that book.
- [145:30]
Katee Sackhoff
Probably cool. It's gonna be a pop up book. So every time you move it, the praying mantis is like, we just for.
- [145:37]
Joe Rogan
Some reason miss them. And the. When we're describing the most ruthless animals on Earth, we miss the praying mantis because they might be the gangster of gangsters.
- [145:46]
Katee Sackhoff
I think they might be. Do they ever attack together? Other. Do they work in coordination?
- [145:50]
Joe Rogan
That's a good question.
- [145:51]
Katee Sackhoff
If they did, they'd be unstoppable because that would be.
- [145:53]
Joe Rogan
That's Starship Troopers.
- [145:55]
Katee Sackhoff
That would be like, if a bunch of women, like cycled their periods, they could. We could take over the world.
- [145:59]
Joe Rogan
Right? Especially with those headsets. We could.
- [146:02]
Katee Sackhoff
Really? Because then we just talk to each other. Like, would be. That would be on fire. Like, it would be on fire. We'd like, you know, take over some crazy.
- [146:12]
Joe Rogan
For sure.
- [146:12]
Katee Sackhoff
That would be awesome. That would be awesome.
- [146:15]
Joe Rogan
Well, maybe that's a good use of technology. I know you're anti AI. Maybe for that.
- [146:19]
Katee Sackhoff
I am anti AI because I am in self preservation mode here. I am desperate to be like, I'm madder, damn it. And not just to my family.
- [146:34]
Joe Rogan
Right.
- [146:34]
Katee Sackhoff
You know, I know.
- [146:35]
Joe Rogan
I think we're all gonna be like that soon.
- [146:38]
Katee Sackhoff
I don't know. I don't think so. I think it'll. We'll always find a place. You just have to be malleable and you have to. To figure out where to, you know, I don't know. Adjust. Pivot.
- [146:50]
Joe Rogan
Yeah, there's gonna be some pivoting for sure.
- [146:53]
Katee Sackhoff
A lot of pivoting.
- [146:54]
Joe Rogan
How often do you do your podcast?
- [146:57]
Katee Sackhoff
So my podcast is once a week, every Tuesday.
- [146:59]
Joe Rogan
What's it called?
- [147:00]
Katee Sackhoff
It's called the Sackhoff Show. It was called Blah Blah blah, but people couldn't find it.
- [147:05]
Joe Rogan
Oh, that's funny.
- [147:07]
Katee Sackhoff
So we just changed it to the Sackhoff show. And we're actually, like I said, doing in the new year a Battlestar Galactica rewatch as well. Because I've, like I said I've never seen it, so I'm curious.
- [147:18]
Joe Rogan
That's kind of crazy. You've never seen it. The Sackhoff show sounds funny too. It's like it's your last name, but it's also. It's like, it's like a fun name for a show.
- [147:27]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, we'll see. I mean, it's got a good rhyme too. It is fun. I have a lot of fun. I'm just trying to be like, you know, a tenth as good at it as you are, Jo. Well, you're very good at this. There's a reason why you're the best at it. You've been doing it a long time and, you know, you worked your ass off.
- [147:44]
Joe Rogan
Well, I'll just tell you what I did. I just talked to people that I'm interested in. That's it. That's all you have to do.
- [147:50]
Katee Sackhoff
I do that. It's really hard to find the right audience in an oversaturated market, but it's happening.
- [147:59]
Joe Rogan
It is oversaturated. It is, but it doesn't mean it's inaccessible. If you're remarkable, you could pop through. And sometimes maybe it just takes coming on here and then people will hear about. About it and go watch it.
- [148:10]
Katee Sackhoff
And I'm like, who's Katie Sackam? She's that chick from Battlestar Galactica.
- [148:16]
Joe Rogan
But you, you seem like you'd be an awesome podcaster.
- [148:19]
Katee Sackhoff
I have fun. I love talking to people and. And I. It literally helped me figure out that I was adhd, because I couldn't. I couldn't not talk on top of people. I was like, I listened, I listened. I did my first interview with Bryce Dallas Howard, God love her. And I listened to it back in the car with my husband, and I was like, oh, my God, I don't stop talking.
- [148:47]
Joe Rogan
Do you wear headsets?
- [148:50]
Katee Sackhoff
I do.
- [148:51]
Joe Rogan
You do?
- [148:51]
Katee Sackhoff
I do.
- [148:52]
Joe Rogan
That helps a lot because you hear the talk, the over talking, which we all tend to do, sometimes accidentally, because sometimes you don't know when to come in and. But this, the. It's a learned skill. It's a learned skill. Like everything else. It's like everything else. And you, you have to learn different people, learn the dance of different people. Some people have just a different thing. And always in my mind, my number one goal is to try to make the. Get the most out of them. Like, get them to, like, have the most fun. The most.
- [149:24]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [149:24]
Joe Rogan
Get the questions that stir their interest the most. Like, something. I want to know who you are.
- [149:29]
Katee Sackhoff
Like, for real.
- [149:29]
Joe Rogan
For real real.
- [149:30]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah.
- [149:30]
Joe Rogan
Like, I want to, like, help you be the best version of you that you can when you're doing it.
- [149:36]
Katee Sackhoff
That's sort of my thing as well. Like, I wanted to. You know, one of the things that came out of COVID for me was that. And I don't know about you, but I had weekly conversations with girlfriends I hadn't talked to in years. And we would, like every Tuesday at 4 o', clock, we'd have a drink and connect again. And the conversations were wonderful because we had the time to have them again. And then I started going back to conventions, and in the green room, I was having these wonderful conversations with people, and I was like, God, I wish I could record these, because they're really authentic, and you're getting to see people in a very different light, and they're really opening up. Because it's not like a gotcha podcast. Like, you know, if you want to cut something out, you can cut something out. Like, I'm not here to, like, ruin your career, you know? And the conversations are really interesting, and people are talking about things that they've never spoken about, and it's just really fun. So I've really enjoyed it.
- [150:33]
Joe Rogan
Well, don't you think, like, you're learning in the process as well? Isn't that, like, one of the more fun parts of it? The more you get to talk to interesting people, the more you learn, the more you understand how other people think and how they feel about stuff.
- [150:46]
Katee Sackhoff
Yeah. And it inspires the shit out of me.
- [150:48]
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
- [150:49]
Katee Sackhoff
You know, like, if I have, like, a month where I'm not hustling and someone comes on the podcast and they're like, I got six things in production. I'm doing this. I wrote an album. I got a book coming out, man. I got six kids. I'm like, fuck, I gotta work harder.
- [151:04]
Joe Rogan
Isn't there.
- [151:04]
Katee Sackhoff
Oh, of course there is. Of course there is. And I think that I've found the right balance. I have the right partner that's, like, super supportive, and we're a real good team. And, yeah, it's just. I think I've got the right balance, but there's always going to be hustle in me.
- [151:20]
Joe Rogan
Of course. You seem like you're well balanced, though. That's. It's a good thing to see.
- [151:23]
Katee Sackhoff
I try. You should ask my husband. That bitch is crazy.
- [151:27]
Joe Rogan
I'm just gonna go on my instincts. I don't want to hear any contrary data. Well, thank you very much for being here. This was a lot of fun. Thank you for having me. I was a huge fan of you on the show, so thank you. Cool to meet.
- [151:38]
Katee Sackhoff
Well, more things to come, I promise. I've got some. Some really cool jobs in the. The. In the can that are going to.
- [151:44]
Joe Rogan
Be me kicking ass sometime. I'd love to have you in here again.
- [151:47]
Katee Sackhoff
I would love that. You'll have to come on my podcast.
- [151:49]
Joe Rogan
I do it. I'll do it. Bye, everybody.
- [151:52]
Katee Sackhoff
Bye.