#2414 - Brian Simpson

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2414 – Brian Simpson

Date: November 19, 2025
Host: Joe Rogan
Guest: Brian Simpson

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Episode Overview

This episode features comedian Brian Simpson in a wide-ranging and highly entertaining conversation with Joe Rogan. The pair delve deeply into the worlds of combat sports, comedy industry dynamics, American history, political corruption, and even fast food. With their characteristic humor and candidness, Joe and Brian break down issues of athletic discipline, the realities of meritocracy in comedy, the legacy of systemic racism, political scandals, cult psychology, and the challenges of healthy living and modern diets. True to form, nearly every discussion is peppered with memorable quips, firsthand stories, and insightful observations.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Combat Sports: Dagestan Dominance and the Discipline Divide

Timestamps: 00:14 – 05:31

• Discussion starts with a breakdown of Islam Makhachev’s dominance in the UFC, moving up in weight and still dominating.
• Joe Rogan: Praises Dagestani fighters, emphasizing their intense lifestyle of discipline, constant training, and minimal distractions:

  "They're super religious. There's no gambling. There's no drinking. There's no partying. There's just training. Just training and training with a bunch of fucking animals." (02:02)

• Brian jokes about sending his hypothetical son to Dagestan for discipline.
• Joe and Brian compare the wrestling-driven work ethic of Dagestani fighters to Westerners.
• Memorable moment: Joe explains how much wrestling culture prepares fighters for suffering, both mentally and physically.

2. Deep Dive on Weight Cutting and Wrestling Culture

Timestamps: 05:31 – 10:10

• Brian shares high school wrestling stories, the intense suffering involved, and eating disorders from weight management.
• Joe explains that dramatic calorie burning isn't as easy as people think, sharing an anecdote of a man trying to run off a massive meal:

  "It took him, like a marathon, like 30 hours of running to burn off 10,000 calories." (08:28)

• Both agree that diet is the key to real weight loss—not exercise.

3. Self-Discipline, Motivation, and David Goggins

Timestamps: 10:13 – 14:10

• Brian and Joe riff on how hard self-coaching is, especially when you're your own boss and employee.
• Discussion of the extreme lifestyle (and heart problems) of David Goggins:

  "He finished the race, went to the hospital, recovered in the hospital, went back to the exact spot where he stopped and completed the race and then did like 100 push ups at this finish line." (13:23)

• Goggins’ relentless nature is compared to Dagestani fighters: all about levels of discipline.

4. Combat Sambo & MMA Greats: A Brief History Lesson

Timestamps: 14:10 – 21:16

• Joe details the origins of Russian Sambo, Abdulmanap Nurmagomedov’s elite coaching, and Fedor Emelianenko’s influence.
• Breakdown on heavyweight MMA legacies, championship defenses, and misconceptions about fighter legacies after losses.
• Quote:

  "People forget how good they were when they were in their prime." (17:36)

5. High-Altitude Training & Performance

Timestamps: 21:16 – 25:30

• Analysis of Cain Velasquez’s loss in Mexico City due to not acclimating to the altitude.
• Joe discusses sleeping high, training low:

  "The move is sleep at high elevation but train at low elevation... the recovery is where you want your body to be adapting." (24:42)

6. Behind the Scenes: Comedy Industry and Meritocracy

Timestamps: 26:01 – 37:57

• Conversation turns to comedy gatekeepers, diversity pressures, and how fame and ‘taste making’ have shifted due to social media.
• Brian praises Adam Eget's eye for talent.
• Joe argues comedy is one of the last true meritocracies:

  "You can't cheat. Unless you're stealing." (34:21)

• Both discuss how working around “killers” improves a comic’s craft.

7. Comedy as Community: Staying Sharp

Timestamps: 36:59 – 39:41

• Brian reflects on the value of community and proximity to top-tier comedians for personal growth.

8. Virality, Pop Culture, and Being “Old”

Timestamps: 39:41 – 44:48

• Jokes about missing pop culture fads like "Baby Shark", viral toys, and being out of the loop with younger generations.
• Discussion about the financial realities for creators behind massive YouTube hits.

9. Furries, Kinks, and the Psychology of Fetish

Timestamps: 45:33 – 58:56

• Extended, humorous deep dive into furry culture, brony culture, free bleeding, and how kinks and social identities emerge.
• Brian and Joe share personal and secondhand stories about encountering these subcultures.
• Memorable quote:

  "If you want me to take you seriously, you gotta be able to take some teasing." (53:47)

• Discusses “imprinting” and the possible genetic vs environmental development of fetishes.

10. Political Scandals, Conspiracies, and the Systems of Power

Timestamps: 62:53 – 76:30

• Examination of government infiltration of radical groups, the Epstein files, and Congress’s vote to release information.
• Skepticism about government and elite transparency.
• Brian Simpson:

  “If you can't draw the line at kid fucking, you probably should stop talking in public.” (70:35)

11. Royal Drama & Institutional Hypocrisy

Timestamps: 71:28 – 75:35

• Discussion pivots to Prince Andrew’s exit from royal family and Jeffrey Epstein connections.
• Reflection on the perverse protections of powerful people.

12. American Violence: Waco, Ruby Ridge, and the Tulsa Massacre

Timestamps: 87:05 – 106:22

• Deep dive into government overreach at Waco and Ruby Ridge—explaining tragic outcomes and lessons.
• Powerful discussion of the Tulsa Massacre—historical context, race relations, and the slow process of acknowledgment and recovery for Black Wall Street.

  "Even still to this day, they're not allowed to teach about it in schools." (104:26)

13. Oklahoma History & Comanche Legend

Timestamps: 106:34 – 110:04

• Joe tells the story of Cynthia Ann Parker and the last of the Comanches, and the violent settlement of Oklahoma.

14. Wealth Taxes, Government Bloat, and Charities

Timestamps: 110:04 – 118:46

• Brian and Joe debate proposed wealth taxes, misuse of public funds, and the bloat and corruption of charitable organizations.
• Brian shares his own experience with shelter management, confirming that “most charities are scams” at the administrative level.

15. University Administration and Political Wealth

Timestamps: 119:24 – 126:17

• Talk about the administrative bloat in universities, senator salaries vs. net worth, and the legal loopholes used by elites.

16. Food, Cheat Meals, and Local Dining

Timestamps: 126:17 – 133:46

• Brian and Joe trade stories about favorite restaurants, cheat meals, and regional differences in fast food (especially in Texas).
• Joe Rogan:

  "When I'm in New York, all bets are off. All that diet shit's out the window. I'm eating for fun." (128:53)

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Notable Quotes

• On discipline and Dagestan:

  "I'm just dropping him as soon as he hit puberty. I'm dropping him off in Dagestan."
  – Brian Simpson (01:46)

• On meritocracy in comedy:

  "Comedy is one of the only things where it's a genuine meritocracy."
  – Joe Rogan (34:18)

• On kinks:

  "I'm telling you, bro, come on. They're gonna throw hoofs immediately."
  – Brian Simpson (re: bronies defending themselves, 53:51)

• On the Epstein list:

  "I don't have a favorite politician… There's nobody… I don't give these [politicians] money. There's no politician that I love more than I love my country or my principles..."
  – Brian Simpson (70:06 etc.)

• On government bloat:

  "They spent $24 billion on the homeless crisis and it got worse."
  – Joe Rogan (113:46)

• On historical violence:

  "But Tulsa was Black Wall Street... a prosperous, wealthy black community... a riot one night, and they burned it all down."
  – Brian Simpson (99:00)

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Memorable & Humorous Moments

• Brian’s deadpan about creating a David Goggins app that just insults you every morning. (10:49)
• Extended riffing on furries, brony conventions, and “free bleeding” as either genuine or 4chan-originated satirical movements. (45:33–59:55)
• Joe recalling discovering a furry convention by accident and asking a hotel clerk, “what the fuck is going on?” (50:16)
• Riffing on cults, specifically David Koresh’s musical ambitions and his manipulative teachings. (82:18–84:26)
• Brian’s “I hope [comedy's meritocracy] stays true because it's the only thing I'm good at.” (35:26)
• Both explain the all-consuming nature of good food and cheat meals, especially in NYC or at Daidui in Austin. (129:09–130:55)

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For Reference: Major Segment Timestamps

• [00:14] UFC talk: Islam Makhachev, Dagestan discipline
• [05:31] Brian's wrestling and weight cutting experiences
• [10:13] Motivation, David Goggins, suffering for progress
• [14:10] MMA history: Sambo, Khabib's father, Fedor, title defenses
• [21:16] High altitude training, adaptation science
• [26:01] Behind the curtain: comedy gatekeeping, Adam Eget
• [34:07] Meritocracy in comedy, hack comics, joke thieves
• [44:48] Virality, Baby Shark, trends, pop culture gaps
• [45:33] Furries, kink psychology, “imprinting”
• [62:53] Political conspiracies, FBI informants, Epstein files
• [71:28] Prince Andrew, Epstein scandal, royal family hypocrisy
• [87:05] Waco, Ruby Ridge, government violence
• [98:17] Tulsa Massacre, Black Wall Street, American racism
• [110:04] Wealth tax proposal, charity bloat
• [119:24] College admin, political stock-trading, the Pelosi tracker
• [126:17] Food rants, cheat meals in NYC and Austin

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Tone & Style

• Casual, direct, humorous, with a mixture of playful roasting and serious reflection.
• Brian’s dry wit pairs well with Joe’s probing, detailed questioning.
• Both mix in personal anecdotes, cultural critique, and rants on bureaucracy and corruption.

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This episode is rich with both laughs and profound social commentary, making it essential listening for fans of unfiltered, long-form conversation.

Transcript

[Brian Simpson]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience Train my day.

[Jamie]

Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Did you watch it? Did you watch the UFC?

[Jamie's Assistant]

No.

[Jamie]

Oh, God. Islam Makacho. Dude goes up one weight class goes up to 170. He was the 55 pound, most dominant champion ever. Most title defense is 55 ever. Just dominates at 170. Like every round. People are saying it's boring, but listen, man, it's boring if you're a casual. The fact that he was able to do it every round, it was a little frustrating because you wanted Jack to try to adjust, but he couldn't. Man is Islam shut his game down right away. He low kicked the out of his front leg real quick. Had him limping real quick, like within the first round. He had hit it three or four times bad.

[Brian Simpson]

I imagine being Khabib, you know, just your protege is coming in.

[Jamie]

Khabib's even better than him, right? That's what's so crazy. That's how good those guys are. He's not better stand up though. He is. Islam has really good stand up. Like his standup. Khabib stand up was a means to an end. It was like his standup was to crack you. So he'd get a hold of you, fuck you up, just drag you to the ground, smash you. That was Khabib's move. But Islam is koing people, man. It's different. He's different. He's head kicking Volkanovski. That's a. It's like a different level of standup.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. Khabib said, you're gonna be better than me.

[Jamie]

Crazy. Crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

Dagestani boys is here to stay.

[Jamie]

You know what's crazy, dude? Bilal Muhammad, you know who was the champ at welterweight, went down to Dagestan to train with those guys. And he was like, I thought I trained hard. I really did. I thought I trained hard until I trained with those guys.

[Brian Simpson]

That's what I'm gonna follow that if I ever have a son. I'm just dropping him as soon as he hit puberty. I'm dropping him off in Dagestan. Say leave him here. Forget.

[Jamie]

That's the thing they always say, take them to dug his den. Two, three years. Forget.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, for real.

[Jamie]

For real.

[Brian Simpson]

Then he comes, he comes back telling you what to do.

[Jamie]

How are you gonna with that? Because that's real. That's how those dudes are really rolling out there. That's how they're really living. They're. They pray five times a day. They're super religious. There's no gambling. There's no drinking. There's no partying. There's just training. Just training and training with a bunch of fucking animals. Eating together, training together, just getting after it every day. And then it's. Iron sharpens iron. Because everyone who comes out of there is a killer. Yeah. Crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, You. You got to be real.

[Jamie]

Most people don't want to live that life. Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

And they don't forgive the disrespect. No, no.

[Jamie]

They just. Dylan, Dennis up this past weekend. Did you see that?

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, yeah, yeah. That was a fight in the crowd.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. You gotta. Don't forget, you gotta watch what you say, bro. And they're, you know, Dagestanis. They not talking shit for promotional purposes.

[Jamie]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Brian Simpson]

You gotta be real careful.

[Jamie]

No, that's down in the marrow of the bones.

[Brian Simpson]

Do you think that there would ever be, like. Do you think Conor could ever apologize to Khabib and, like, bury the hatchet, was it, too.

[Jamie]

He would have to. It would have to be in private. And you'd have to really mean it, man. You know, he would have to really mean it, and you'd have to convince Khabib that you really meant it and that it was all, you know. Because he just doesn't play that game, that talking shit to sell a fight game. He doesn't play that game, especially when.

[Brian Simpson]

It comes to, like, his wife, his people, everything, man.

[Jamie]

Everything.

[Brian Simpson]

I saw a clip of D.C. saying, like, he did. He had, like, Conor on his show one time, and Khabib was like, no. What's that about? Yeah. Like, that's my enemy.

[Jamie]

Right. And you're my friend. Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

And, you know, D.C. was like, oh, yeah. I had to. I didn't look at it that way, but I had to check myself, like.

[Jamie]

Yeah, because you're. If you're a journalist, if you're. Or if you're doing a podcast, you're gonna have some people on that don't like people that are close to you, but you got it. Like, that can only go to a certain level, you know, if someone is your, like, sworn enemy.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, right.

[Jamie]

And this other guy's your training partner and your brother. You can't really have that guy on.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, yeah, of course not.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

Absolutely not. Like, there's. There's no scenario where Khabib is going to be friendly with Jon Jones because he knows exactly the history. Like, he might be respectful, but he ain't gonna catch him kicking it.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Nah. Well, I think John and D.C. have pretty much Buried the hatchet, really? Yeah. I think they have, I think they communicated. I think they, I think they've had some interaction. You know, it's like, look, when you have two bitter rivals like that and one guy comes out on top, this is always gonna be that way. Always. Forever.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. Cause they're different kind of people. I, I, I forget that sometimes, like, the competitive, the people that are, like.

[Jamie]

Ultra competitive, tw, totally different kinds of.

[Brian Simpson]

Human beings, man, it doesn't go away.

[Jamie]

Their drive is, it's like you don't understand it. You don't live it, you know? And, like, wrestlers, like, elite wrestlers, are the only people that train the way, like, Khabib and his crew train, like, in, in any other combat sport. Like, if you're coming over from kickboxing and, you know, and then you want to fight MMA and, you know, you think you. Well, I've already trained like, like an animal already. Like, yeah, there's a difference. There's a difference in the kind of exhaustion that you get from, like, hardcore wrestling training. And that's something that these guys have that, it's like, that's why wrestling is the number one base for mma, because anybody who gets really good at wrestling, you got to be a animal. You got to be a animal.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, I wrestled in high school the first couple years, and it was like, I was like, this ain't for me. You know, it was, it, it was hard. It's hard, man.

[Jamie]

Like, so hard.

[Brian Simpson]

It's, it's because besides the technique and stuff, you have to be able to suffer. You're training to suffer. Yeah. Yeah. And they break you all the way down every single practice.

[Jamie]

Training to suffer. And then the losing weight, the losing weight and competing on the same day, you know, I, I went to school with this kid. He was five, six. All his brother's like, six foot, six foot one. It's because he wrestled all throughout his childhood and cut weight all through his childhood. He essentially starved himself and stunted his growth.

[Brian Simpson]

Well, my friend Jeffrey, you know, Burner used to work at the club. He used to perform at the club. But he, he's a, he was a wrestling guy, you know, did real well in California and all that. And now he, like, he doesn't, he doesn't know when he's hungry.

[Jamie]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Brian Simpson]

You know, like, he's, he just has to eat because he's like, oh, I haven't eaten in. But wow. His whatever connection, it is like he broke it. Yeah. Like, he'll forget to eat.

[Jamie]

That's crazy.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

It's like that it could really fuck with you.

[Jamie]

So usually it fucks with guys the other way, where they cut way too long, and then they just blow up like balloons. When they don't have to fight anymore, they get crazy, and they just can't stop eating. They develop real eating disorders. It's really common amongst guys who cut weight.

[Brian Simpson]

Well, that's when I quit. I did a tournament, and it was the first tournament. My brother was coming to see me, and I missed weight by a pound or something like that. And so I ended up. I still got to wrestle, but it was like in the loser's bracket or wrestle, you know, people off on the side. And there was a guy that he had on what I know now is an insulin pump, but I didn't know at the time.

[Jamie]

Oh, you told me this.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. And he just kept fucking me up, and. Cause I didn't. I was scared to hurt him, and he didn't give a fuck about me. And I got my ass whooped. And then. And then when it was finally all over, I was like. And I went to the vending machine and I fucking opened the Snicker bar. And I was like. And my coach came over. He was like, what the fuck are you doing? You know, I was like, well, the tournament's over. He was like, you miss weight, you're gonna come over here, eat snacks. And it was. And I was one of them kids were like. I was just defiant, and I was like, you. You know, and that was the last time. That was the last time he saw me. I was like, you know, because if that's what this is gonna be, I can't do it.

[Jamie]

No snacks after losing.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. Especially missing weight. I mean, he had. Looking back, he had a point.

[Jamie]

How much did you miss it by a pound?

[Brian Simpson]

I miss about. Because. Because. Because, you know, it's like, you can't. It's certain households where, like, you know, my. My mama didn't give a. About no making weight. You gonna eat that food? You know, it wasn't like I didn't have control over my diet.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

So then you would just have to run it off.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, run it off.

[Jamie]

You ever figure out how much calories you actually, like, burn when you do a hard workout? It's not as much as you think.

[Brian Simpson]

No.

[Jamie]

Like, this dude, I forget what he ate, but he had meal with, like, pancakes, pizza, and all kinds of, like, 10, 000 calories or something like that. And then he went running to burn off the calories, and he tracked it like on an app. He ran for 10 hours. He ran, like, 30 miles because he was. Yeah, dude's in really good shape. But when he did this, like, he was tracking, like, where his. His cow. How many calories he had burned so far. And it took him, like a marathon, like, 30 hours of running to burn.

[Brian Simpson]

Off a thousand calories.

[Jamie]

30 miles, rather. 30 miles of running. No, it was more than. It was like, 10,000 calories. Whatever it was, you know, I forget what he ate. It was like, pancakes and all kinds of crazy shit. Very calorie. But the purpose was, like, to see what happens if you eat all this stuff. Like, what does it actually take to burn this off? So he measures all the calories and then he just goes out running.

[Brian Simpson]

It's kind of. It's kind of disappointing when you realize.

[Jamie]

It takes a long time. Time. It takes a long time to burn off 10,000 calories. Like, that's a lot of working out.

[Brian Simpson]

That's what I'm. I know I'm gonna stay fat till I die, you know, because I. I got this. I got this real machine, and it, like, it tries to tell you how many it is. It is more discouraged, discouraging than anything. I had to turn that off.

[Jamie]

Did you lose any weight when you did that Carnivore diet for a month?

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie]

How much did you lose?

[Brian Simpson]

I don't know. Maybe like £10.

[Jamie]

Yeah, well, imagine if you did that for, like, six months.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I think you could.

[Brian Simpson]

The diet is everything.

[Jamie]

Yeah. That's the whole way to lose weight. You don't really lose weight in the gym. I mean, you do. You lose a little weight, your body gets toned, you get healthier. That's all good. But the real way you lose weight is your diet.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

It's just discipline. It's hard, you know?

[Jamie]

It's hard.

[Brian Simpson]

It was easier when I was poor.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

You know, of course. Yeah, of course.

[Brian Simpson]

It's. It's because I always. I try to tell people this, but it's like, when you. When you're your own boss, you can't also be a shitty employee.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Brian Simpson]

You know, like, I'm the one setting the rules, but I'm also the one enforcing the rules. And I'm like, you good?

[Jamie]

Yeah. That's funny.

[Brian Simpson]

Get it next time.

[Jamie]

Yeah. You almost have to create a boss in your brain for, like, certain things that you have to do. Like a general just tells you what to do. Yes, sir. You just fucking go do it.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Gonna be a robot.

[Brian Simpson]

David Goggins could definitely sell an app. Just a motivational app.

[Jamie]

He could.

[Brian Simpson]

But just calls you a bitch every morning.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I mean, really, all you need to do is just go watch his videos. If you want to get motivated, just go watch those. That guy's videos?

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. Do people ever go to, like, just go stay with him?

[Jamie]

Yeah, he's done that before. David Isler. Is that who it was? No. What was his. Yeah, the dude that wrote the book. I can't believe. I can't remember his name.

[Brian Simpson]

Like, he's on some, like, Diamond Dallas page shit where, like, he'll just.

[Jamie]

Well, he. Not. Not really. No. This dude was writing a book. Jesse Itzler.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yes.

[Jamie]

That's. It stayed with him. And, you know, David's like, all right, we're gonna train. And, you know, you're gonna do whatever the I tell you to do, and we're gonna do it. I forget how many days he did it for. He wrote. He wrote a book about it, right? Like, living with a Navy seal. I said, I think. I think he did it for, like, 30 days.

[Brian Simpson]

You probably got to pass a physical. Just.

[Jamie]

Well, yeah, you could die. You could definitely die. You could definitely have a heart attack.

[Brian Simpson]

But see, that's the thing. He don't care if he died.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. Remember, he. He had some. Something happen. Some kind of heart thing.

[Jamie]

Rhabdomylosis. He had rhabdomylosis. He's had a bunch of things. He had. He's had heart surgery, but he had rhabdomylosis that he got. Because rhabdo is when you push yourself so hard. Let's put that into Perplexity, our sponsor, and find out exactly what rhabdomylosis is, because I'm going to fuck this up.

[Brian Simpson]

What is Perplexity?

[Jamie]

We got an AI sponsor.

[Brian Simpson]

No bullshit.

[Jamie]

Plexi. Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

Was like a doctor.

[Jamie]

No, it's a. It's an AI. It's an AI Large language model, and it gives you answers. So process is when muscle tissue damaged by trauma, excessive exercise, prolonged immobility, metabolic or genetic disorders, infections, toxins, or certain medications. So obviously in David Goggins case, excessive exercise. So the muscle cell breaks down substances like myoglobin, cre, creatine kinase. Electrolytes and enzymes leak into the blood. Myoglobin, filtered by the kidneys, can cause urine to turn dark brown or red, and in large amounts can cause acute kidney failure. So when your piss starts looking like Diet Coke, that's when you know you got a problem.

[Brian Simpson]

I think you just gave Hollywood the worst idea. Instead of people coughing into A napkin. So, you know, they're sick, they gonna be taking a piss, it's gonna turn syrup.

[Jamie]

Well, it's only if someone works out so hard that your body's breaking down. That's really what it is. Like, you're literally working yourself to death. Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

But then this. Then this crazy.

[Jamie]

Finished the race, went to the hospital. He went to the hospital, recovered in the hospital, went back to the exact spot where he stopped and completed the race and then did like 100 push ups at this finish line.

[Brian Simpson]

Like, you just went to the hospital for doing extra.

[Jamie]

You just can't, you know, you just have to accept that's who he is. That's who he is. He's got no knee cartilage. He still runs. He's just a different. He's a different human. But again, it's like the Dagestan thing. Like, there's levels to discipline and commitment, and those guys have. It's a very high. It's also like very high level training too. It's not just discipline. It's like they're very technical. Abdulmanap, who is Khabib's dad, was a phenomenal trainer. Just. Just phenomenal.

[Brian Simpson]

But where did. Where did he learn all of this?

[Jamie]

Well, it's all, you know, Russian sambo, and they all have, like, a long history of, like, I think his dad. Let's, let's, let's Google this just to make sure I'm not speaking out of my ass. But, you know, you gotta think of like, sambo. Combat sambo is. That's where Fedor Emelianenko came from too. So Russian sambo is like mma, but they. We like a judo gi top, and they have shorts on and wrestling shoes, MMA gloves and headgear. And they have combat sambo championships. They throw each other using the gi. They have ground and pound. They're kicking and punching. It's. It's a crazy sport.

[Brian Simpson]

So it's like judo mixed with.

[Jamie]

It's like judo mixed with mma, but they're wearing wrestling shoes like it is. It's really kind of crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

But there's no ground and pound.

[Jamie]

There's ground and pound. Yeah. It's basically kind of mma. So Abdulmanov, he was named by the Russian Book of Records as the most successful combat sambo coach in the country. He was the head coach of Eagles mma, coached two UFC champions, his son Khabib Nurmagomedov, as well as Islam Makhachev. But so he practiced from a young age while serving in the Soviet army, began to practice judo And Sambo, for his big success as a coach, came with his brother, Nurmagomed. Nurmagomedov won at the World Sambo Championship for Ukraine's national team in 92. He trained a total of 18 world champions through his coaching career. That's how good that guy was. 18 world champions. That's crazy. Show him a video of Combat Sambo. Like, how about show Fedor competing in combat Sambo? It's kind of crazy when you see him, because he was competing in Combat Sambo, I believe while he was also fighting in mma, he was still competing for Russia and combat.

[Brian Simpson]

And there's a difference between combat Sambo and some other kind.

[Jamie]

Yeah, well, there's Sambo, which is like just the grappling art of Sambo, but, like, look at this. They're fighting with punches, with the grappling gion and shoes on. This is crazy, right? Oh, wow. Isn't that nuts? They got wrestling shoes on. Shin pads.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, no. Knees.

[Jamie]

Yeah. They can't throw knees here. Is that what's going on? I don't know. I don't know what the rules are.

[Brian Simpson]

Because I feel like if they. If they could, he would have thrown one right there.

[Jamie]

Pretty crazy, man. So that's Fedor when he was world champion in mma, maybe the greatest of all time. He's definitely in the argument of the greatest of all time, Fedor. Yeah, it's the argument is him. Cain Velasquez for heavyweight, Francis Ngannou and Jon Jones, now that he's a heavyweight, but he hasn't really. The only heavyweights that he really beat beat Stipe, when Stipe was kind of right at the end of his career. And he beat Gone, but he caught Gone in the guillotine real early. Clearly one of the greatest fighters of all time. But the argument of him being the greatest heavyweight, he's only got two heavyweight fights, then the other guy is Fabricio Verdum. Fabricio Verdum, on paper, has one of the best arguments because he tapped everybody. He tapped all the world champions. Fabric. And people forget, man, because they only look at a guy when the guy's lost. Like MMA fans. Once someone loses and they start, they have a few losses in a row, people forget how good they were when they were in their prime. And Fabricio Verdum, in his prime, tapped Fedormelianenko, Kane Velasquez, and Minotauro Nogueira.

[Brian Simpson]

And. And.

[Jamie]

Which is crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

Weren't you saying there's a window, right? Was it nine years?

[Jamie]

About nine years when fighters can But.

[Brian Simpson]

I feel like that heavyweight window, it gets shortened real fast. What's the most defenses in the heavyweight?

[Jamie]

It's deep. Has two or three, right? Let's find out.

[Brian Simpson]

It's just three.

[Jamie]

Stipe Miocic is the. He's the consensus. Most successful heavyweight of all time. You could say maybe he's the greatest of all time. You know, it's all. When you catch him. I mean, the guy got through Francis in that first fight when Francis was just like, taking people's heads off like they were attached with sticky glue.

[Brian Simpson]

With three. Yeah, three.

[Jamie]

Three.

[Brian Simpson]

You would think it would be more than three, right?

[Jamie]

Oh, man.

[Brian Simpson]

Because, like. Because. Because every. All the other weight classes, like, what's light heavyweight?

[Jamie]

It's like he's got four. Hold on. Scroll back up.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Oh, this thing was three in a row.

[Jamie]

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[Brian Simpson]

All right. Because he took the bail back from. From Cormier, Right.

[Jamie]

And then defended against Cormier and then defended against Francis, which was the craziest one, Right.

[Brian Simpson]

And then lost it to Francis.

[Jamie]

No law. No. Defended against Francis. Oh, no, no. I fucked this up. Defended against Francis, then got knocked out by Cormier. Cormier knocked him out. After France's fight, then they fought a second time and Stipe beat him, stopped him. That was the time when he was hooking him to the body.

[Brian Simpson]

Body shots, yeah.

[Jamie]

Oh, my God. He had that beautiful left hook to the body that he just had wired. So he beat Daniel. Beat Daniel again. He beat him by decision in the third fight. And then in the next one he fought. Scroll up. In the next one he fought Francis again and got KO'd. That was a brutal one. And then Jon Jones hit him with that brutal, beautiful spinning back kick to the body. But it's like he's in the argument, too. One of the greatest of all time. My thing about Fabricio, though, is, like, people forget like, how hard it is to submit a guy like Fedor Emelianenko or a guy like King Velasquez and to be the guy that submits all, like, out of the guys who you consider possibly all time greats, he submitted three of them. That's nuts.

[Brian Simpson]

When Velasquez first came on the scene, I thought nobody was going to be able to beat him, bro.

[Jamie]

He was a monster because he was a heavyweight with cardio, like a lightweight. It was nuts. Nothing like that.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, but everybody. Everybody has their day, man. Yeah, there's nobody that's going to beat him.

[Jamie]

I mean, well, what happened with Kane is he didn't adjust to Mexico City. So they had a fight. Kane and Fabricio fought in Mexico City. And Mexico City, I think, is like 7,000ft above sea level.

[Brian Simpson]

Were.

[Jamie]

Yeah, put that in there. Let's see what plexity says about that. I'm pretty sure that's the case, though. I think it's about 7,000ft above sea level and it's real thin air. Also, it's a lot of pollution, so it's not like the best air. Like, it's. It's not much air and it's polluted. And Fabricio got there way early. Like months, months in advance. 7,350ft. Yeah. Above sea level. So real, real high altitude already. So your cardio is already going to be taxed if you're a heavyweight.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Jamie]

That's 2,000ft above Denver.

[Brian Simpson]

But why didn't he go? Did he have a good reason?

[Jamie]

I think there was some domestic issues.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, man.

[Jamie]

I think someone didn't want him leaving. You know, he got. He only got a chance to be out there, I think, for two weeks, and that's not enough time.

[Brian Simpson]

That's not even close.

[Jamie]

Not even close. Fabricio was up there. I Think for six months. I think they told him that he was going to be fighting for the title. And I think he went up there for. I might be talking out of school, but it was many months. It was at least four months. And he was up in the mountains above Mexico City. So he's like, fuck it. Let's go 9,000ft. Let's get crazy. And so got accustomed to even higher altitude. And then when he came down, he was in prime shape, and he caught Cain in a guillotine and submitted him. It was nuts. It was like seeing him, he's. Like I said, he submitted three of the greatest of all time. Like that. That alone, you got to think. So he showed up two months or verdum, did his homework prior to the fight, showed up two months early and established a training camp in the mountains, conditioning his body even higher. Elevation around 12, 000ft. So I was wrong on both counts. It wasn't four months. It was two months, and he was at 12, 000ft, which is crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, that's.

[Jamie]

He said for the first two weeks I was here, it felt as if I'd never trained before at all. I was so tired. So if you got used to doing that. Okay, so, okay. Kane only went 10 days early. Oh, my God.

[Brian Simpson]

I feel like that's some shit that George St. Pierre would do just for every fight. Just.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Brian Simpson]

Get on an oxygen deprivation tank or something.

[Jamie]

Well, BJ Was doing that for a while. BJ Penn was sleeping in a tent. See, it was a plastic tent that he would seal off and would sleep inside of it. Like, you put it up around his bed. And there was a thing that you use that sucked oxygen out of the air there, and it made it like you were sleeping at high elevation. Apparently, that's the move. The move is sleep at high elevation, but train at low elevation. And the reason for that is when you train at low elevation, you have more oxygen, you can get more reps, you can put in more rounds, you can put in more work. And then the recovery is where you really want your body to be adapting. So then once you're done training, go back up. Like, say if you were training in the Valley and then you went up to Big Bear and you were sleeping at Big Bear, which is like. I think Big bear is like 6,000ft or something like that.

[Brian Simpson]

But doesn't that only work if the fight is not at elevation? Like, if you're fighting?

[Jamie]

No, no. The idea is sleeping at altitude is all you need. Sleeping at altitude gets your body. It's the whole thing is about getting your body to sort of adapt to this new altitude.

[Brian Simpson]

So if you just sleep at altitude, you can fight at altitude.

[Jamie]

Exactly, exactly. You'll have more oxygen, you'll have more. And you'll be able to work harder like this. So it's like they used to think training and sleeping at altitude is the move, but now they think actually it's probably better. And maybe this is debated. I'm not sure if, like, the. The consensus is out, but I think what they're saying now is train at sea level and then sleep at altitude, which makes sense. It makes sense.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. That's for people that's already training.

[Jamie]

Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

[Brian Simpson]

I've run out of breath just going up the altitude. That's why. That's why Denver. Whenever you go to Denver, like, I love doing comedy there, but it's so. It's so dry.

[Jamie]

It's dry.

[Brian Simpson]

It's so dry your boogers get sharp.

[Jamie]

Yep. Yeah. Your nose starts to bleed.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. Your skin is all flaky.

[Jamie]

There's no air. And then, you know, you can get higher than that, too. You can go to Aspen. When they used to have the Aspen Comedy Festival, they used to have oxygen waiting for you backstage.

[Brian Simpson]

Word.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

In case dudes started fainting.

[Brian Simpson]

Why'd they stop that?

[Jamie]

I don't know. I think, you know, they stopped a bunch of those comedy festivals they had. Where was. The original one was in Montreal, and then they started doing an Aspen. And I think they did it in Vegas, too, for a while, if I remember correctly, it was the same people, but it's used to. See those things used to be effective. It used to be you would, you know, take time off the road, go to Montreal, do your best set, and maybe you'd get a development deal. And if you got a development deal, maybe you'd get a sitcom that was a whole. That was the carrot that they dangled the end of the stick.

[Brian Simpson]

Career changing.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Like, for some people, it was career changing. It really was. But that stopped. And then so it was like, why are we going to these festivals? Because I'm not getting anything out of this other than you selling tickets.

[Brian Simpson]

Well, I think that. I think that that's happened. That happened. What happened to most of the institutions in comedy or just show business, period, is the people that used to be the taste makers, the people that used to tell the business who was next. Yeah, I think people get. Because this happens all the time. There'll be some good, there'll be some. Somebody will start a comedy show. Then all of a sudden, somebody will get. Make it from that show, and then it becomes the show in the scene or in the city, and then they start wanting to maintain that reputation. So instead of them just with who they believe in, they'll wait to see who has a little momentum.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

So they kind of give it up. They wait for the industry to tell them who's popping. Right. And yeah, it happened to the store, it happened to jfl, it happened to all these places. And maybe people are. Maybe it's coming back now.

[Jamie]

But you also have to realize, who are these people? They're just people that got jobs working for whatever media company that is, whether it's NBC or Netflix or whatever it is. They're just people that got jobs. They might not have any idea, like, how a joke is made, what the process is of developing material, who's got talent, who's derivative. They might not have any idea. But what they do is they lick their finger and they hold it up in whichever way the wind's blowing. They pretend they're a genius, and that's what they do. And oftentimes they'll dismiss someone who turns out to be the best one of the lot. It's real common, man. And then they always want to stand by those ideas, like, ah, I don't see it. And like, okay, the guy's selling out arenas. I think you missed it. And. But it happens a lot. Yeah, it happens a lot with these folks because they're. They're not artists. They're just business people and they're pretending to be artists. It's weird. Like, some of them give you advice.

[Brian Simpson]

But some people do have, like, there's a. There's a. There's a talent for dealing with talent that some people do have.

[Jamie]

Adam ego.

[Brian Simpson]

Right.

[Jamie]

Adam ego is a perfect example because Adam is an artist whose, like, job is to be a talent coordinator. But he's genuinely an artist. Like, he's. He gets it. He's a. He thinks like a comic. He behaves like a comic. He was a funny co host of Norm MacDonald show, you know, when Norm had that show.

[Brian Simpson]

Adam.

[Jamie]

Adam was on that show with him. Like, he gets it. He understands the business.

[Brian Simpson]

He hit you. He hit you with a zinger from time to time.

[Jamie]

It's a funny dude.

[Brian Simpson]

He got a couple in the chamber.

[Jamie]

He's a funny dude, but he's also a smart dude. Like, and he knows potential. He sees someone and he can give them genuinely good advice. Like, genuinely. Like, you could take this and develop it this way. Maybe you need to work on this. Maybe you need to, you know.

[Brian Simpson]

But, you know, more importantly, I think he has. He has the courage of his convictions where it's like. Like when I. When I first got to Hollywood, you know, I went over. You know, I went everywhere at least once or twice. And, you know, some people, you know, people like, hey, come back next week. Or, you know, you gotta wait till this time, or whatever. Everyone saw me, saw me at least once. Adam saw me. He was the only person that was like, come back next week. Like, you get a spot next week.

[Jamie]

Right? Because he gets it.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, yeah. And, like, he started. He started fucking with me immediately. And it wasn't any hesitation at all. It was. From the time I met him, I was just getting spots at the store.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. And so to. To. To do that, to have that belief in your. In your eye, you know, instead of needing other people's. Because. Because of how most of show business works is. Everybody is just. No one wants to be the first one on your dick, but no one wants to be the last one. So even if they see something they think is dope, they'll be like, does anybody else think it's dope?

[Jamie]

Right?

[Brian Simpson]

No. Okay, me neither.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Brian Simpson]

You know, but then as soon as a couple of people think it's dope, then it was like, I. Oh, I saw it six months ago. It's like, you know, it's that kind of shit.

[Jamie]

So, yeah, that's where they're pretending they have talent. Yes, their talent.

[Brian Simpson]

But the problem is you don't have to have the talent. Talent. To be in a position of that. To be in a position.

[Jamie]

No, you don't. You can just get a job, and they need someone to do it. And if you sell yourself and if you worked, you know, in production before you did something and as an agent or whatever the fuck it is you're in the business.

[Brian Simpson]

Suffer under some tyrant.

[Jamie]

There's a lot of that. Yeah, there's a lot of that. A lot of suffering under tyrants. And then these guys, they wind up, you know, fucking ruining companies because just. They don't know what. Like, how many terrible specials have you seen that just fit the right demographic? Fit this, like, silly thing? Like, that was another problem that Adam was having at the store is that, like, he couldn't just give spots to the people that he thought was funny. It's. There was pressure to make a certain amount of gay people on the set, a certain amount of women, a certain amount of. They had, like, people telling him he didn't have enough of certain demographics.

[Brian Simpson]

But where's the, where's the pressure coming from?

[Jamie]

Oh, I don't know. It was coming from, you know, I don't want to talk out of school, okay? But it wasn't just comics. There was, you know, people that were buying into it. And that's nonsense.

[Brian Simpson]

My mind immediately went something silly like he just, he just wakes up, there's a dildo on his pillow with a.

[Jamie]

Note just like, no, he was.

[Brian Simpson]

You've been warned.

[Jamie]

He was being told. He's been told. But. And it's just like, you know, there's a lot of, like, vicious people in this business. And if you're a guy and your job is working at a club and that's all you got, and you know, all of a sudden that job is threatened because people are complaining about you and they think that you're not doing your best to make the lineup more diverse. Which is like, it's so silly because this is the thing that we always talk about in the green room. Like, look how diverse that club is. There's everybody there, like all kinds of different kinds of people. And the idea that, like, it's one thing. This is the most dumb strawman that gets tossed around. Like, it's all right wing comedy club. The vast majority of the people that work there are left wing people. Vast majority.

[Brian Simpson]

That's a fact.

[Jamie]

It's a fact.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And you can't, like, you can't tie it down. You know, it's all white males. That's. There's all kinds of people there. There's Arabs and Muslim people, there's people from India, there's people from Asia. There's black people, white people, Australians. There's people from everywhere at that club. And just there's one thing in common.

[Brian Simpson]

Only I think that.

[Jamie]

Do you love comedy? Are you trying to get better? Are you funny?

[Brian Simpson]

There is something to be said about being aware of your blind spots. But I don't think that the way Hollywood always does diversity wrong. Cause they'll go instead of going to find, they'll go, we're missing this slice of the pie. Instead of going and finding the funniest people, they'll just pick anyone, you know, And I don't know if that always. This is almost never the best way.

[Jamie]

It's never the best way. It's like the same thing for neurosurgeons. If you're like, you know, I'm really looking for a Danish woman neurosurgeon. Like, no, no, no. You got, you have A brain tumor. Like, no, no, I want to really want a Danish woman. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You got to get the best guy. The best guy's a Chinese guy. We found him. He's out of Harvard, this guy.

[Brian Simpson]

No, no, no.

[Jamie]

Like, that's crazy. And that's the same thing with everything. It's like it should be a meritocracy. And I think ultimately you're gonna have examples of all sorts of different kinds of people that rise to the top in a true meritocracy.

[Brian Simpson]

I mean, but the, well, the pendulum always swings both back and forth, but it's almost never a meritocracy, you know, in comedy or just, I'm just talking about in America.

[Jamie]

Comedy is one of the only things where it's a genuine meritocracy.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, well, when it comes to the crowd, you can't cheat. You can't cheat.

[Jamie]

You can't cheat. No, it's that it is what it is. Unless you're stealing. That's the only thing. If someone's a joke thief or, or.

[Brian Simpson]

Unless you're a fucking hack, you know, you can, you can get, you can.

[Jamie]

Get away with a lot, but you can't get away with a lot with your peers. Right? You can't, like, your peers won't like you. They won't want to be around. They won't want to go on the road with you with your whack ass jokes.

[Brian Simpson]

No. Unless you're super famous, people are just people that just hold their nose and go on the road.

[Jamie]

There's a few. That's true. There's a few that will do that. But ultimately though, when it comes to like sustaining a career and having years and years of people coming out to see you and multiple specials and stuff like that, it either works or it doesn't work. That's it. It's real simple. Once people find out about you, now you've got your foot in the door and it's all just about keeping it on the gas. Keep your foot on the gas and keep producing, keep making stuff, keep, keep writing, keep working on sets. And you'll, you know, if you're working for those people, they'll keep showing up for you because you made them laugh.

[Brian Simpson]

I hope that stays true because that's, it's the only thing I'm good at, you know, I'm bad at everything except. Right, except my, my comedy, you know.

[Jamie]

Well, you're really good at your comedy, though. Some people never get really good at.

[Brian Simpson]

Anything, but they, But I feel like every Year. You can't. You have to be good at something else. No editing sketches, scripts. They want you to act. They want you to.

[Jamie]

You don't. You don't. You don't. Look at David Hill. Does one thing. Does one thing. Stand up comedy. Everybody loves him. He's amazing.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Does one thing. That's it. I mean, that dude doesn't even go on social media at all, which is the only reason why he's not selling out enormous arenas. When we had him at the club last weekend, everybody's like, dude, he's the best. He might be. He's one of the best of all time. And he's working clubs.

[Brian Simpson]

I mean, a lot of people. A lot of people put him at the very top.

[Jamie]

He's up there, dude. It's like, it's kind of silly to rank comedians. Yeah, right. And every comic that's alive today owes a debt of gratitude to the people that came before us. We all do. Because it's a relatively new art form.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, I mean, I go. I go by joke by joke by joke. I don't really have a favorite comedian, but there's some bits out there where I'm like, that's fuck it.

[Jamie]

And.

[Brian Simpson]

And some of those come from, you know, a few of them come from the same people, but. But it tells one of those people where you just. Sometimes you just walk. You're just in awe.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

You know, beautiful. But I love that. I love, like, getting to watch a comic to make you go, God damn, I need to just ball my shit up and fucking throw it away.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that's the best feeling. That's. It's. That's where the fire starts burning and gets you going. You need to feel that. That's why comics don't exist in a vacuum. You know, we were talking about this the other day that we were talking about, like, McCann. So McCann is in this thing where he might have to move, and we're like, bro, you gotta stay like you're killing it. And what, you're getting funnier. You're, like, funnier all the time. And I think one of the reasons why is what you're around. Comics don't exist in a vacuum. You're not gonna go to, like, South Dakota and find the best comic that no one's ever seen. The best comic in the world lives in South Dakota by himself. And he's, you know, he works at this little local comedy club, and everybody comes to see him from miles around. No, the. The best comics are around other killers. You get to see A guy like David Tell go up and you're like, God damn. You get to see Shane Gillis go up. You go, God damn. You get to see Joey Diaz. You get to see all these killers over and over and over again. And when, when you're around that you see Ron White every week. Like that's how you get better. Like, that's where it's all.

[Brian Simpson]

Can. Brings the heat.

[Jamie]

He brings the heat, dude. He's talented and he's smart and he's a great guy and he's fucking. Just a curious, interesting thinker and he's.

[Brian Simpson]

Got, he's got a. He's got a. He's got a zany. Yeah, delivery. Yeah, like, whenever I follow me, he always brings me up. Like he auctioned in slaves, you know, he says my name like. Like Leonardo DiCaprio in Django. Brian, watch. We're gonna get it. We're gonna get. We're gonna get that on tape somewhere.

[Jamie]

Yeah, we'll get that tonight. Well, I'll bring him in tonight.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, yeah. Is he coming? Is he coming in?

[Jamie]

I think so. I think so. I gotta text him as soon as we get out of here.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, speaking of the comedy, my, my don't tell set came out this week. Go check it out. It's already.

[Jamie]

Oh, it's out this week.

[Brian Simpson]

It was out last week, but it's. It's. It's gone. It's taking off.

[Jamie]

Nice. Beautiful.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, it's like a. A couple of the clips. A couple million.

[Jamie]

Beautiful.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, go check it out. It's on YouTube. Don't tell comedy.

[Jamie]

That wap jokes. One of my all time favorite jokes.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, yeah, that's almost.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

So, yeah, it's. Yes, we got a lot of stuff online, man. It's like some people are like, I've just now discovered you.

[Jamie]

I'm like, that's how it works, man. Yeah, there's so much out there.

[Brian Simpson]

That's the thing, man. A mil. A million people can watch your. And nobody saw it.

[Jamie]

Isn't that nuts? Yeah, that's how many people there are.

[Brian Simpson]

There's people that are huge fans of yours that don't even know you do stand up.

[Jamie]

It's crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

You know what I mean? How's that possible?

[Jamie]

Well, there's just too many things to pay attention to. Like, how many times have you heard about an actor? Like, my. My kids will tell me about someone and I'm like, who is that? And they're like, oh, my God, that person's huge. I'm like, shut up. Really? And then I go to their Instagram page. They have 30 million Instagram followers. I'm like, how am I that old?

[Brian Simpson]

It happens to me all the time. I've officially reached UNC status.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I'm unk status for sure. I'm like, grandpa status. Grandpa Joe. Grandpa Joe doesn't know anything because I'm not looking.

[Brian Simpson]

The thing is, I'm not at the point. Like, I'm not looking for new stuff. So if the kids don't tell me.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I'm not looking either.

[Brian Simpson]

But then that makes me feel old, you know? Yeah, there'll be. It'll be somebody that's like, world famous. And I'm like, who the is that?

[Jamie]

I know.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, I completely missed the. The baby shark thing. I just started hearing people talk about it in jokes.

[Jamie]

Baby shark?

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. Apparently it's like the number one YouTube. It's the most streamed YouTube video. Right, Jamie?

[Jamie's Assistant]

I mean, a couple years ago, guys.

[Brian Simpson]

But it's still number one, though, right?

[Jamie]

I completely missed it.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Baby shark.

[Jamie]

Oh, baby shark. Yeah, that's right.

[Brian Simpson]

I literally hadn't heard that song. It had been out for maybe a year and a half, and I hadn't heard anything about it. I just heard a comic making jokes about it. And because, you know, when something's in the pop culture, everyone be trying to have their own thing on it. So then I heard another comic say a joke about it. I'm like, what the fuck is that? And sure enough, it's like, I completely missed it. How could I? I mean, I don't have kids. That makes sense.

[Jamie]

That's what. Okay, this is it. That video. That's a big video. I've never seen that video. The world's most watched YouTube video hasn't made its creator rich. What? How come? Hold on. Company behind ubiquitous song is hampered by ad restrictions on children's content, wants to raise funds for expansion. What does that mean, raise funds? You had one viral video. You ain't a company.

[Jamie's Assistant]

16.4 billion views.

[Jamie]

Oh, and they can't make money.

[Jamie's Assistant]

This is roughly equivalent to Taylor Swift's 10 most popular YouTube videos combined.

[Jamie]

Whoa. Yet last year, the company generated equivalent of about $67 million in revenue, including earnings from YouTube. But wait a minute.

[Jamie's Assistant]

That's a lot.

[Jamie]

That's a lot. So it seems like they are making money. I don't understand. Is it saying the quandary underscores how certain restrictions. Scroll up a little. I think we must have missed something. But why is it. It doesn't make any sense that the company hasn't Made any money? It's saying they made money. Am I missing. Am I reading that wrong?

[Jamie's Assistant]

Revenue isn't the same as making money, though.

[Jamie]

What?

[Jamie's Assistant]

Revenue is just money. And it could have.

[Jamie]

So their expenses are so high they.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Could have spent a lot on ads to get it out there. That's what it could be going into saying.

[Brian Simpson]

I don't know, but I'll guess the 16 billion views probably should make you more than that. Is that what they're trying to say?

[Jamie]

So revenue is your.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, no, that's how much money they made total. Including what they got from YouTube. That's not just from YouTube.

[Jamie]

Oh, so they make money from other stuff.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, they probably. Probably licensed it out and stuff like that.

[Jamie]

So scroll up. So you see the little graph there? It says life. I mean, scroll down. Sorry. So operating profit, revenue. So they're making a lot more money.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, yeah, but that's. That's South Korean, Juan.

[Jamie]

I don't know.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

Mean. Yeah.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Falling down the wrong hole.

[Brian Simpson]

No, Joe's like, bring back the AI.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I don't know what that is. Like, like that baby shark thing. Like, why would. Why would one thing catch like that?

[Brian Simpson]

Cuz it's because it's something for kids and people love ignoring their kids. You just play that, put that on. And kids are obsessed.

[Jamie]

It can't just be that. Because there's so many things that kids can watch. It can't be just that. It's got to be. There's some. Remember that banana song? Banana phone.

[Brian Simpson]

Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring ring.

[Jamie]

Banana phone.

[Brian Simpson]

I never heard that before.

[Jamie]

It's like in the 2000s, it became like really popular. I think it was popular on Opie and Anthony. They kept playing it. It was like really catchy, totally innocent. And then it was like everywhere for like three or four weeks and then it went away. And I always wonder, like, what. What the fuck is it where something just catches fire?

[Brian Simpson]

I don't know. Remember when Tickle Me Elmo? Because what was the last time we had a viral holiday toy? Like, where was the toy everyone had to have?

[Jamie's Assistant]

It's not holidays, but those labuboos went pretty viral.

[Jamie]

Yeah, people love the laboo.

[Brian Simpson]

And I don't get it. Why though, are they. Are they collectors? Is this like.

[Jamie]

Because they know AI is about to take over the world and then they know the aliens are landing and Jesus Christ is coming back and they just. They're freaking out. They're just buying stuffed animals. They don't know what the they're doing. They just following the Lead was just a stuffed animal.

[Brian Simpson]

I don't know.

[Jamie]

I hear about them, my brain shuts off.

[Jamie's Assistant]

There's a little bit of gambling involved. Mystery. You don't know what's inside the box that you bought. And then people can sell those boxes based off of what could be inside.

[Jamie]

Is it a stuffed animal? Yeah, a stuffed animal. Then you gotta gut your stuffed animal to find out. No, no, the box. Like it's in a.

[Jamie's Assistant]

It's in a box that's in a package. And then you don't know what's.

[Brian Simpson]

You just buy a Labubu without knowing which one you're gonna get.

[Jamie's Assistant]

And you might get a limited edition one inside.

[Brian Simpson]

It's a real life loot box.

[Jamie]

That's unlimited.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yeah, it's like genie babies. Without knowing you got before. And you might get the princess die one.

[Brian Simpson]

That's brilliant.

[Jamie]

You can get a limited edition the Boo Boo. And other than that, how much is the.

[Brian Simpson]

How much is the buy mystery?

[Jamie's Assistant]

It could be 20 bucks. It could be 50.

[Jamie]

Let's take a guess. Let's take a guess. How much do you think it costs to get a Labubu retail? Retail?

[Brian Simpson]

I'm gonna say 40 bucks.

[Jamie]

40 bucks? Yeah, I think I'm with you. I was gonna say 36.

[Jamie's Assistant]

And after that, how much you think it is resale?

[Jamie]

Because that's a. Oh, 150 costs to get them. Yeah, I bet it's like. It's like buying one of them. Like a hot new car.

[Jamie's Assistant]

So retail is 28, 27.99.

[Jamie]

Okay, okay, 30 bucks. And then what does it cost online if you want to buy one right now, I need a little Boo Boo.

[Brian Simpson]

Like a mystery.

[Jamie]

A mystery Labubu. What do I get? Are you Googling it?

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yeah, it's gonna turn off my ring. Up to 80 to 120. It's not that bad. Oh, well, a few human sized auction pieces. Oh, that's big. $100,000.

[Jamie]

Wait a minute. They have human sized laboons. Jesus Christ.

[Brian Simpson]

What?

[Jamie]

That is so ridiculous. I mean, what is someone doing with a human sized Labu? Who's their Labubu? Because you know, someone is. Let me see what the Labubus look like. Is this something like a furry would. Fuck.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Let me try to Google.

[Jamie]

Oh, do you hear the latest that that dude who shot Trump might have been a furry?

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yeah, I saw that. I found some more stuff.

[Brian Simpson]

What?

[Jamie]

Yeah, I think he was a friend.

[Jamie's Assistant]

That's like an art piece. It's not really quite.

[Jamie]

Oh, you know, well, that's not really human sized.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Either human size of uber doll sold for150,000.

[Jamie]

Let me see what it looks like.

[Brian Simpson]

But what they mean might have been a furry. I feel like you would know or.

[Jamie]

Not know that they're finding stuff. Like, let's. Let's find out. Yeah. There it is. There's the big labubu. Whatever.

[Brian Simpson]

This lady invented them.

[Jamie]

She invented a little boo Boo again.

[Brian Simpson]

How.

[Jamie]

How does that work? How's that catch on? How's that catch on? Like, Build a Bear has been in the mall forever.

[Brian Simpson]

I mean, I think I know what it is. It's probably some hot, smoking hot K pop star. Probably. They saw her with one on. You know, there's certain women where they follow, and anytime she does any fashion thing, it just spreads like wildfire.

[Jamie]

Yeah. There's a thing that does happen whenever a popular person starts, like, wearing a thing.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. They. They literally tricked all women into wearing that and then wasn't a diamond. Well, you remember when the actress to.

[Jamie]

Do it, Judas Priest, had everybody dressing up like a gay motorcycle gang member.

[Brian Simpson]

What?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

That started with Judas Priest.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Rob Halford from Judas Priest is gay. Like, openly gay. And now at least, you know, I don't know if he was back then, but he dressed like a gay biker. Like, and that became, like, metal.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, word.

[Jamie]

Because Judas Priest was so good, they wanted to dress like this gay guy who dressed like a gay guy who'd go to, like, a gay biker club.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. That's like hot women around the world. Because dudes will do. Dudes will do anything that they think. Yeah. Will get them laid. And women will do anything that a pretty woman does.

[Jamie]

That's true. Right. Anything to make yourself look prettier too.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. And so it's like, because all of the dudes now talking all that gay shit. They was dressing like that in the 70s and the 80s. Like, earrings, makeup, and purses and all of that.

[Jamie]

Bell bottoms, big collars.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. Because they thought it was gonna get them laid.

[Jamie]

Flounces.

[Brian Simpson]

Just like Prince. You could dress like Little Richard.

[Jamie]

That's right.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Anything that works. Platform shoes. Anything that works.

[Brian Simpson]

Anything.

[Jamie]

Okay. Thomas Crooks used they. Them pronouns. Had obsession with political violence and muscle mommies. Oh, that's what I like.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

What's wrong?

[Brian Simpson]

Like a woman that could move a couch.

[Jamie]

I do. The lone sniper who grazed Trump in the ear, killed a beloved firefighter. Critically wounded. Two other Trump supporters apparently had a muscle mommy fetish and repeatedly searched for videos about female bodybuilders and muscular women. But what was the. The Furry stuff, though. I was reading some furry stuff. Crooks had two accounts on. Two possible accounts on DeviantArt, a site that hosts fan art has become notorious for its community of furries. People have identify as anthropomorphized animal characters and. Or. And. Or are sexually attracted to them. They were telling you about the time that I accidentally stumbled on a furry convention?

[Brian Simpson]

No.

[Jamie]

We were flying into Pittsburgh for a UFC. One of DeviantArt accounts link to Crooks shared just one post reposting of a towering muscular female bodybuilder and a slight man in his underwear.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah. That's like our crumb type stuff. Hilarious.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. I don't think. I don't kink shame. Whatever makes.

[Jamie]

I don't kink shame either.

[Brian Simpson]

No.

[Jamie]

Have fun. Me and Duncan wore furry outfits once.

[Brian Simpson]

And for the pod.

[Jamie]

Yeah. And we had to take the hats off after, like, five minutes. Like, respect to furries. You could walk around all day with this thing on. It was heavy. It was hard to breathe. It was hot. We took it. Oh, yeah. That's what he likes. Yeah, baby.

[Brian Simpson]

Who doesn't like that? Yeah.

[Jamie]

I don't know. Some little dudes. Some little dudes don't want to be dominated. Don't want some men, some woman to use them like a dildo. When I was. So I was flying into Pittsburgh, we were flying in for a ufc, and we got a rental, and we're driving to the hotel. And as we're driving the hotel. Mike, why are all these mascots on the street? The fuck is going on? It was real weird. Like, we didn't understand what was going on. This is a while ago, like, at least 10 years ago. And we're driving, and I'm like, what the fuck is this? Like, what's going on? We get to the hotel and I'm like. And I go to the guy behind the counter, go, man, what the fuck is going on? He goes, it's a furry convention. Like, I didn't even. I kind of vaguely knew what a furry was, but I never really dove into it, you know? So I go, what? What are you talking about? He goes, it's a convention of all these people that get off on dressing like animals. I go, get off? He goes, dude, they're asking us to serve them food in bowls on the ground. Okay. Then when they get room service, they want their room service in a bowl they want to put on the ground so they can get on their knees and eat it out. Bowl. And they were asking for a litter box. I know a lot of people don't believe this, like, because I told the story about a friend of mine who lives in Utah. His wife was a schoolteacher there, and one of the parents had had a child that was a furry, and they wanted to put a litter box in the bathroom. Now, this was entirely relayed to me by my friend, who. It was relayed to him by his wife who worked in the school. I don't know if it's true, but everybody got so angry, and they started what I was saying was transphobic. And I got so confused because I was like, this is a couple years ago. I was like, wait a minute.

[Brian Simpson]

Wait a minute.

[Jamie]

Wait. What does that have to do with trans people? We're talking about someone who wants to. In a box. Like, where's. Where's the trans part of this? So somehow or another, furries and that kink are getting, like, lumped into this lgbtqtai plus whatever, and they're trying to, like, lump furries in there. And this. This debunking of my conspiracy theory.

[Brian Simpson]

Well, furries are their own.

[Jamie]

They're their own. That's what I didn't understand.

[Brian Simpson]

Some of them is not sexual.

[Jamie]

But these guys. It was when I was talking to the guy that worked behind the counter, I was like, what is going on? He goes, dude. He goes, apparently, what these guys like to do is they have, like, a hatch on the back of their furry outfit, and they like to bang each other without even knowing who they're banging. They all. They do. They. They're. They pretend they're banging a giant squirrel and they're into it. And it's apparently, like, part of the fun is that you don't have to think about your. But maybe you're ashamed of your body. Maybe you don't like your body. Maybe you just, like, I'd rather someone. Just me and think I'm a raccoon. And so that's what they do.

[Brian Simpson]

See, I pretty. I pray to God I don't find out that that's my kink because it's just too much work.

[Jamie]

It's a lot of work. The head is heavy. You know, heavy is the head that carries the throat.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, that's it. Any. Anything. Any kink that requires maintenance.

[Jamie]

It's a lot of washing. You got to wash that furry outfit. If someone jizzes on it and doesn't tell you.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, but then. But it might be a subsection of the community where they like. They like it not washed. They want the dirty furries. They over there like an animal, like.

[Jamie]

In the woods, they don't wash themselves.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Come on, let's go. We're furries. Are we. Are we furries or are we men?

[Brian Simpson]

I once had a. I used to work at this pub in. In San Diego, and one time we had. It was like a. It was like. I don't know if they're a subsect of the furry world, but it's like, they're. They're like My Little Pony people.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

And.

[Jamie]

Yeah, what do they call them? There's a name for that.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Bronies.

[Brian Simpson]

Bronies.

[Jamie]

Yeah. It was like a whole.

[Brian Simpson]

And they were all very nice and respectful, and you could see, you know, there were a handful of women involved, and you could see everybody trying to angle for the. But they. They took. They. They just. They filled up our pub.

[Jamie]

And these are all the My Little Pony people.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yeah. That was like 10 years. 12 years.

[Brian Simpson]

And, bro, and they hardcore. Like, they. They. They don't tolerate any teasing whatsoever. Like, if you try to come at them about it, it's gonna be a problem. You know?

[Jamie]

Like, you gotta be able to take some teasing.

[Brian Simpson]

Yes.

[Jamie]

If you want. If you want me to take you seriously.

[Brian Simpson]

I'm telling you, bro, come on. They're gonna throw hoofs immediately. They Throwing hoofs.

[Jamie]

People will find a thing that they're really into. No matter what it is, they will find a thing that they're really into.

[Brian Simpson]

But that's the reason. That's why I don't kink shame. Because I'm like, hey, man, if you just be lucky that all the things that make you come are nor are things you consider normal. You know what I mean?

[Jamie]

Right?

[Brian Simpson]

Because it. Because I feel bad. Like, imagine if you found out, right.

[Jamie]

That that was your thing.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. You could only. You could only get off if you was dressed as a wolf.

[Jamie]

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[Brian Simpson]

See, I have a theory. I think whatever. I think the first time you encounter something sexual, whatever's happening gets like burned into your.

[Jamie]

That's a. That's called imprinting.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, like if like I, I got a homie that, that's like into like, you know, the BDSM world and stuff like that. And he has no idea. And I was like, how did you know that? He was like, I have no idea. And then, you know, years later, without completely unrelated, he's telling me one time about him looking for Christmas presents and going in the back of his parents closet and finding a whole chest of, you know, whips and chains and like that when he was like six or seven years old, he didn't make the connection. Was like, oh, yeah, well that's why you're.

[Jamie]

Yeah, duh, yeah, parents are into whips and chains and. But.

[Brian Simpson]

And I don't know if that had to happen because I think your kinks are genetic.

[Jamie]

Really?

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Why do you think that?

[Brian Simpson]

I think I've read that. Right.

[Jamie]

Well, I think some information is probably passed down from parents to kids and I would imagine kinks could be in there. Because, like, artistic talent is passed down, obviously. Athletic talent is often passed down. It would make sense. I bet a lot of. I bet they don't know exactly what you're giving to your kids.

[Brian Simpson]

Well, let's find out. Because if it's true, I mean, that's gonna make you look at your mama real different. Different, Right.

[Jamie]

You don't want to know that. That's horrible. Yeah, but I, like, I pity the poor people that have accidentally walked in on their parents.

[Brian Simpson]

What? You never did that?

[Jamie]

No.

[Brian Simpson]

No, me neither.

[Jamie]

The horror.

[Brian Simpson]

No, actually, that's not true. I never. I never walked in, but I definitely knew that that's what was happening.

[Jamie]

I can block that out. Red, you can't block out the visual.

[Brian Simpson]

Because you've definitely touched the doorknob and.

[Jamie]

Been like, your dad with his feet up in your head, your mom eating his ass.

[Brian Simpson]

I don't have no visual.

[Jamie]

Dad stroking it while your mom's eating his ass. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, see, there you go. I can't live anymore like that. I can't. I can't go through this. Where I'm gonna have to get electroshock therapy.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, but imagine if you. If you. If you walk in and, you know, I mean, what would have to happen for you to be a furry. For what would you have to see?

[Jamie]

I don't think it's that. No, I think it's. I think there's probably. There's probably some social disorder involved in some of those folks, too. There's, like, furry lights, which my kids go to school with. There's some kids that wear, like. They wear, like, ears and, like, maybe a tail, and every now and then you see one of those.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie's Assistant]

This brony thing might have started as a 4chan troll.

[Jamie]

That probably was too far. 4chan rules.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Out of control, like, a few other things have done.

[Jamie]

They're the best.

[Jamie's Assistant]

I can't tell.

[Jamie]

Do you see. Do you see what they did with the free flow? A free bleeding project.

[Brian Simpson]

What is that? Hold on. Wait a minute.

[Jamie]

They tricked women into thinking that it's like, a sign of feminism to just bleed and not have a tampon or a maxi pad.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, like old school.

[Jamie]

You just let it go. Free bleeding. And so they did it as a joke. And then some women adopted it who thought it was, like, you know, radical feminist crazy ladies.

[Brian Simpson]

So now free bleeding is, like, a trend.

[Jamie]

No, it didn't last. It's disgusting.

[Brian Simpson]

Okay?

[Jamie]

It's probably totally unsanitary. You smell like fish. It's Hell. It's hell. You have a pussy blood running down your fucking pants and you're showing up at the office. You expect to keep your job here at United Hells. Get out of here.

[Brian Simpson]

I don't think anybody was showing up in no offices. These are. Those are definitely chicks with no jobs at Starbucks.

[Jamie]

You showing up at Starbucks. Oh, that's not real.

[Brian Simpson]

No way.

[Jamie]

That lady would die. She would literally be dead. That's like if you shot her with a arrow.

[Brian Simpson]

The thing is, there's no.

[Jamie]

Is this lady free bleeding?

[Jamie's Assistant]

These were the 4chan posts of people trying to, like, share it, that it was real. I'm not putting this on this, bro.

[Jamie]

But that could be a lady that's just doing a marathon and forgot a tampon. It's like, fuck it. I'm gonna push through. Because I saw one lady who diarrheaed herself. It went all down her leg and everything, and she completed that fucking race.

[Brian Simpson]

Well, the thing is, it's hard to tell what's real and what's AI.

[Jamie]

That's real. That's real. That's a little pussy blood right there. I can tell. I'm an expert.

[Brian Simpson]

But the thing is. But free bleeding is one thing, but it's like. But just getting. Getting your pussy blood every. Onto other people's stuff, they don't care. Like, if you're doing that shit at.

[Jamie]

Home on the grass, they're marking their territory. Well, what did people do before they invented tampons? Like, I mean, are you supposed to just wash it out? Like, what are you supposed to do? What does nature want you to do? Like, nature doesn't want you. That's why toxic shock syndrome is a thing. When women have tampons and they leave them up there and then they can get really sick, and women have died from toxic shock syndrome.

[Brian Simpson]

I don't think people even cared about.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Understand. I don't know if this. This might be full satire, but this is someone talking about how it's not made up and it's a real thing. People tried to claim this. They started this.

[Jamie]

Misogynic. Users of the online forum 4chan would claim that they jokingly started the movement in 2014 and see how far they could make angry feminists go. Fake memes and Twitter accounts apparently belong to feminist activists began posting content about free bleeding. This backfired spectacularly for the 4chan trolls when they unwittingly created a discour around the normalization of periods. What? The free bleeding movement, whether fake or not, quickly became very real and got women talking about their monthly cycle since then. Notable moments in the free bleeding movement have included Koran, Gandhi running the Boston Marathon. Without. Without something. While bleed. They missed something there. It says without. While bleeding through her sport shorts. Poet Rupee Carr also became notable in the movement when an image of her menstrual blood on her pants and bed sheets was repeatedly removed from Instagram that same year. Imagine like you're a hero because your pussy blood is on the Internet. This is so kooky. This sounds like this is satire.

[Jamie's Assistant]

It could be.

[Jamie]

I mean, who wrote it? What's it in?

[Jamie's Assistant]

It's a blog of.

[Brian Simpson]

I think you. I think you have a hard time convincing Most.

[Jamie]

Yeah, most. But these are crazy people. Like, most people don't want to wearing a squirrel outfit, but crazy people do. Some people do. I'm not saying furries are crazy. What. What is the blog? And do they have other things that seem like satire? Because that seems like.

[Jamie's Assistant]

I'm checking real quick. I'm trying to.

[Jamie]

It's hard to tell at the edges when you get to the edges of radical feminism and radical leftism and radical right wing, you know, patriot front type. It's hard to tell what satire when you get to the edges, when you get to the most extreme examples of any movement.

[Brian Simpson]

Well, also, everything, everything's AI now people just. People just say also all those.

[Jamie]

Whether it's the right wing movements like Proud Boys or whether it's Antifa, they get infiltrated. Those guys get infiltrated by government officials. 100%. I guarantee you there's some FBI agents in Antifa and I guarantee there's some FBI agents that are in the Proud Boys. I think the head of the Proud Boys was already outed as an FBI informant. Isn't that true? I think that. Find that out. Google that. Really? Yes.

[Brian Simpson]

That's not shocking at all. I think every single movement.

[Jamie]

I think he still went to jail, too. I think he still went to jail for January 6th.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, I mean, they still locked up.

[Jamie]

Let's see, what does it say? Heather? Proud Boys revealed to have been an FBI informant. Enrico Tarrio. Tarrio served as a national chairman of the proud boys from 2018 to 2021 and was a central figure in the group's activities, including its role in the January 6, 2021 Capitol riot. However, it was later disclosed that Tarria worked as an informant for federal and local law enforcement agencies between 2012 and 2014, prior to his leadership in the plot. Proud Boys.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, beforehand.

[Jamie]

That's even crazier. That's even crazier. Like, were they telling us the truth like that he's not doing it anymore. It's like, who knows, man? It's. It's layers upon layers. It's those Russian nesting dolls. And you open it and there's another one in there. And you open there's another one.

[Brian Simpson]

Corruptions at all time, bro. The. The Epstein files.

[Jamie]

I heard there's no files. I heard it's a hoax. And then all of a sudden, he's going to release the files. Well, I thought there was no files, man. He wants an investigation. Now.

[Brian Simpson]

Listen, like, what is going on?

[Jamie's Assistant]

They voted 427 to 1. Who was the one?

[Jamie]

Whoa. Who's the one?

[Jamie's Assistant]

He re. I didn't see why he said. But he did.

[Jamie]

National security.

[Brian Simpson]

No way. If you found out. If you found out all of Congress voted for something. You the only one that didn't. Can you change your vote? You can't be the one guy.

[Jamie]

It should be. It should be that. It has to be like, no one can know what the vote is. Before you do it, bro, I would.

[Brian Simpson]

Love to hear his reason. How you the one.

[Jamie]

Well, you know, I was feeling like, like, let's move past it and let's get on with our business and.

[Brian Simpson]

You can't move past it.

[Jamie]

These billionaires are good people. Okay. You can't move past good, solid people.

[Brian Simpson]

Who?

[Jamie's Assistant]

Clay Higgins?

[Jamie]

Where's he, out of Arkansas? Yeah, there he go. Yeah, one of the.

[Brian Simpson]

One of the bottom 10 in education or something like that.

[Jamie]

Somebody got to him. That's crazy, though. 4 and 20 to 1.

[Brian Simpson]

I have been a principal. No. On this bill from the beginning. What was wrong with the bill three months ago?

[Jamie]

It abandons 250 years of criminal justice procedure in America. As written. This bill reveals and injures thousands of innocent people. Witnesses, people who provided alibis, family members, etc. If enacted in its current form, this type of broad reveal of criminal investigative files released to a rabid media will absolutely result in innocent people being hurt. Not by my vote. The Oversight Committee is conducting a thorough investigation that has already released well over 60,000 pages of documents from the Epstein case. That effort will continue in a manner that provides all due protections for innocent Americans. If the Senate amends the bill to properly address privacy of victims and. Or other Americans who are named but not criminally implicated, then I will vote for that bill when it comes back to the House.

[Brian Simpson]

He's in that.

[Jamie]

Well, that's a point though, right? Like, there was people that had had, like people that had dinner over Epstein's house. Like Epstein had dinners and had celebrities go over his house. Like Chelsea Handler was one of the people that went over his house. I don't think Chelsea Handler is out there molesting kids. No, no, I get, you know what I mean?

[Brian Simpson]

No, I get that. But I think we're, we're past that. We're beyond that point now because. Right.

[Jamie]

You just have to be able to say, hey, I went to his house for dinner.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. I don't, I'm not saying because, because people try to do that to you with like pictures. They're like. And if you was in a picture with somebody that they think, you know, but it's like, like it's the difference between being in the picture with somebody and being in 500 pictures with them.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Brian Simpson]

You know what I mean?

[Jamie]

And flying to an island.

[Brian Simpson]

I think, because this is a big problem. I mean, related back to what we were talking about earlier with Hollywood too, is that I think a lot of, I think a lot of these don't respect the public. They don't respect our intelligence. You know, like, I think the average American is smart enough to know the difference between somebody that was just in there or somebody that testified than somebody that was banging children.

[Jamie]

See, the thing is, the average American probably can tell the difference, but there are sub average individuals that all they want to know is you're on the list and they hear you're on the list and they might try to kill you. And that, that is a fact.

[Brian Simpson]

But here's the thing. The problem is, and I'm not advocating.

[Jamie]

For not releasing the files, I'm just saying there's enough dumb nutty people that will think that you're guilty.

[Brian Simpson]

There's, there's been so much obfuscation with this. It would be different if they, if there was no pushback. But there's, I think what's at stake is people's belief in the integrity of the process. You know, that's already cooked. Oh well, yeah, that's. Whatever, whatever. The last little shreds of it that are left is like no more you getting to sift through and decide because he's, you know, it's easy to say that, but the truth is they want to be able to decide whose names get seen and whose names don't. And people aren't with that.

[Jamie]

Like, you know, and they shouldn't be with that.

[Brian Simpson]

Or, or we agree with this guy and then he, and then we let them Kennedy joints out. We, we've been waiting for them. Think about it. They said the Same thing about the Kennedy shit. Well, we don't want to hurt. And every time they supposed to release it, they kick it down the road.

[Jamie]

They released some new Kennedy documents, but no, I never heard anything come out of it.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, it was supposed to be. It's supposed to been released. Two or three presidents, there's no way.

[Jamie]

Those people are alive.

[Brian Simpson]

Right. What we know is this. We know that. I forget who said it, but justice delayed is justice denied. The longer we wait, the more we let these fucking snakes kick the can down the road, the more they get to obfuscate and muddy the waters.

[Jamie]

You know what Trump said about the JFK files?

[Brian Simpson]

What?

[Jamie]

He said, I saw them. And if you saw what I saw, you wouldn't release them either.

[Brian Simpson]

That's what I'm screaming.

[Jamie]

That's crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

What does that mean? What does that mean?

[Brian Simpson]

I don't even. I can't even imagine what that means.

[Jamie]

What does that mean? What could that mean? What does that mean?

[Brian Simpson]

I don't know.

[Jamie]

Does that mean a foreign government? Does that mean our government? Does that mean the Mafia? Does that mean a coordinate, coordinated effort with all the above? What does that mean?

[Brian Simpson]

I have no idea what it could possibly mean.

[Jamie]

I mean, it's crazy for something that happened in 1963.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. And almost everyone involved, almost everyone that could be embarrassed somehow is dead 62 years ago, man. So it would have to be something that, like, destroys an institution or something. Something like this Epstein shit.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Brian Simpson]

Like.

[Jamie]

But just the amount, the sheer amount of people with insane amounts of money that are attached to this.

[Brian Simpson]

Because my conservative friends be like, they think that. They think I give a fuck about a Democrat. They'd be like, are you with Bill Clinton's in there? Like, I don't give a who in there. I don't care who in there.

[Jamie]

You don't care?

[Brian Simpson]

Put that in the street. Yeah.

[Jamie]

They think you do.

[Brian Simpson]

Yes. I don't have.

[Jamie]

I don't have a party identity.

[Brian Simpson]

I don't have a favorite politician. I don't have. There's no. There's nobody. I don't give these money.

[Jamie]

No. That's.

[Brian Simpson]

No. There's no politician that I love enough to. Because this is what's killing me. There's people out there that are literally like, well, how old is 16?

[Jamie]

Really? Really?

[Brian Simpson]

You know, like, they're like, they're trying to justify. Because they want to come out of this with. By still showing support, but. But they don't want to be connected to the crime. So they're trying to. They're still Trying to justify their support of all of this.

[Jamie]

That's crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

It's like there's no politician I love more than I love my country or more than I have my principles of, like. Yeah, I think if you can't draw the line at kid fucking, then you probably should stop talking in public. Like, you shouldn't have public discourse, you know?

[Jamie]

Yeah. I mean, I think this is a pattern that exists, has existed forever in politics. They want you to be compromised when you get into any sort of a position so they can control you. And I think these things like Epstein and there's probably a bunch of other similar operations that are being run. They provide you with like a really good time, or maybe you're a high profile, extremely wealthy individual and it's hard for you to get hoes and some guy tells you, hey, we've got everything covered. You know, you come to my island, nothing. You know, what happens on the island stays on the island.

[Brian Simpson]

Bro, they just kicked. Didn't they kick somebody out? The royal family?

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Who?

[Jamie]

Prince Andrew? Yeah, yeah, they. They kicked him out of the family. And there hasn't even been like a former trial yet.

[Brian Simpson]

It's not like he's convicted. But what does that. What, what happens when you not. They just walk you out the castle and you just. You just own a street.

[Jamie]

I think he's out in a house, like, way out in the country. Like, you stay here.

[Brian Simpson]

I just, in my. In my head, I just picture him like crying over some KFC because he's never eaten peasant food.

[Jamie]

I don't think he's eating peasants.

[Brian Simpson]

So he's just not. So he's not a regular person.

[Jamie]

I think he's in a manner like a beautiful home in the country.

[Brian Simpson]

Okay. So.

[Jamie]

So I think he has to.

[Brian Simpson]

So being kicked out of the royal family doesn't mean that you just. That you lose everything.

[Jamie]

Who know? I mean, what does he have and where did he get it? Is it just money from the government? Because they do get paid by the government.

[Brian Simpson]

Government, they do. But I also think they're all. They're still Dukes of something and lords of something.

[Jamie]

Here it says what he lost. So after being stripped of his royal titles and forced to leave his longtime residence at Royal Lodge. Royal Lodge, Prince Andrew, now formerly known as Andrew Andrew Montbaten Windsor, will relocate to accommodation in the Sandringham. Sandringham. How do you say that? Sandringham Estate in Norfolk. He is now excluded from royal duties and public life. And his status has been dramatically reduced. His status has been reduced Loss of titles and status. Eviction from royal Lodge. Relocation to Sandringham Estate. So he's. He's relocated to an estate in. In the countryside. Public exclusion. He remains excluded from all royal engagements and official events, except for private family gatherings.

[Brian Simpson]

But that sounds sweet.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I mean, he's getting away with not having to be, you know, like not being in the public eye. That's it.

[Brian Simpson]

Well, they were basically like, you know, all the parts about being a royal that suck. Yeah. You don't have to do those anymore.

[Jamie]

Look at this. Financial support. The King will provide for Andrew's basic needs. But his former royal funding and security benefits have been ended. Andrew has sought private business opportunities to support himself. But no public roles are expected. Wow.

[Brian Simpson]

Who gonna go into business with you? My guy.

[Jamie]

He's gonna go. He wants to go into business.

[Brian Simpson]

He's gonna open up a Starbucks.

[Jamie]

Getting money from the King all this time. This whole thing is nuts because they. They get money and I don't think they have to do anything. Like, I don't think they have like real function in government, do they?

[Brian Simpson]

Bruh.

[Jamie]

Where's the Sandringham Estates? Oh, that's where you got. Poor guy. That's so sad. It's so sad. They made him stay in that castle. Look how beautiful that place is. That is so nuts that this. This guy got kicked out of there, bro. He got kicked out of wherever the he was. The royal law.

[Brian Simpson]

Unless they. Unless they tell me his punishment is like, they give you that estate, but they take all the servants, bro.

[Jamie]

Look at the gardener's house. Show me the garden. That's the gardener's house. That's where the gardener lives. That place is beautiful. That is hilarious, dude.

[Brian Simpson]

Like, if they give him that place, but they don't give him no servants and he just gotta clean everything. He gotta walk a mile to the kitchen. Yeah.

[Jamie]

He's got to do his own dishes.

[Brian Simpson]

No, but. But this is. This guy. This guy's living the life. So he just gets banished to a mansion. He don't got to do no public duties.

[Jamie]

Yes. And they probably just bring hoes out to the mansion.

[Jamie's Assistant]

You think he gets a puppy?

[Jamie]

It's not like you. Stop banging hoes. No. Right.

[Brian Simpson]

I mean, I don't know what. I don't know what he's in trouble for.

[Jamie]

Right? Rights. That's the thing they haven't told us.

[Brian Simpson]

But to get kicked out the royal family.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Brian Simpson]

They didn't even kick Meghan Markle out the family.

[Jamie]

And she.

[Brian Simpson]

They racist.

[Jamie]

Legal and public impact. What is this These changes result from long standing controversies over Andrew's association with Jeffrey Epstein and subsequent legal settlements. Always get settlements, particularly the civil case bought by Virginia Guthrey, which concluded without any admission of liability by Andrew, but resulted in a multi million pound settlement. Do you know that there's. The amount of money that's been paid out to, to victims of Jeffrey Epstein is like $300 million so far from where? I don't know. Is that true?

[Jamie's Assistant]

There's also a bunch of money that just moved after he died that no one really understands.

[Jamie]

This is also sketchy, bro.

[Brian Simpson]

I'm telling you, a lot of people, if they really release this shit in earnest a lot, it's gonna be, it's gonna change everything. I hope, I hope it's that powerful.

[Jamie]

Do you think it will be?

[Brian Simpson]

Well, all I know is the most powerful person on earth has been doing a lot to keep that shit from coming out. And I don't. I'm not like everybody else. I don't think Trump is in there in a criminal way, but I think a lot of. He has a lot of powerful friends that have put, been putting pressure on him to keep that shit under wraps.

[Jamie]

I think that definitely has to be.

[Brian Simpson]

I think it's gonna be royal people, it's gonna be prime ministers, it's gonna be Supreme Court justices, it's gonna be.

[Jamie]

All type of former Presidents.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. Some CEOs. It's gon all type of in there.

[Jamie]

Scientists.

[Brian Simpson]

Get it out. Yeah, get it out. Yeah, yeah. The world already. We. There's nothing to lose for America as a whole.

[Jamie]

What a crazy operation they were running. What a crazy thing to have a bunch of people fly them out to an island that somehow or another you own. Like, where'd you get the money to buy a island, bro?

[Brian Simpson]

It's not as expensive as you think.

[Jamie]

A whole island. Yeah, we looked at that island. We were trying to buy it. We're actually. I shouldn't say we're trying to buy it. We were thinking about it very briefly, but it was too expensive. It was like 55.

[Brian Simpson]

It's not discounted now.

[Jamie]

That's a discount.

[Brian Simpson]

That's the discounted price. Oh, okay. Okay.

[Jamie]

I would imagine it's well worth. Well more than that. Like if you buy a beautiful house in like Miami. A beautiful house in Miami might be $200 million if it's on the ocean. Those like crazy manners in like West Palm Beach.

[Brian Simpson]

But it's like, but the island's basically haunted. You got to save the whole thing.

[Jamie]

It's too late. Plate. You gotta level it. You gotta remove the dirt and go get dirt from like. Yeah, you got to remove everything. It would be. That's the same reason why we never bought the One World Theater. The same thing.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, that weird cult.

[Jamie]

Yeah, the cult thing. I was like, oh, man, there's not enough sage in the world. Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

You had to come over some holy water, anointed oil.

[Jamie]

That's a beautiful property. But it's like, what do they do to those poor people there? You know? And that island is like, I wouldn't.

[Brian Simpson]

Be shocked if that dude was on there. What was the name, the cult leader of that cult?

[Jamie]

Well, he had different names. His first. I forget what his real name was. He had the same name as a boxer. Forget it. I forget his fucking name. What is the. The cult members. The cult leader's name in holy hell, they change his name twice. So he made. He had a fake name when he was teaching yoga in West Hollywood when he started the culture and then when the cult awareness network started going after him. Because after Waco, they started going after all the cults. They're like, these motherfuckers are arming up. Like, this is dangerous. Let's find out. And also, it's like a lot of people lost their family members. Jaime Gomez. That's right. So he was Michel. Michel. And then he became Andreas once he came to Texas. To Texas. So what happened was he. They were after him. And so this dude picks up shop and just moves to Austin and just to throw people off, has his followers build a theater so he could dance in front of them. They built that. His followers built that theater.

[Brian Simpson]

And see, I have a beautiful place for people to get sucked in. Stuff like that. But. But I feel like we know enough now. Where it's like, if you're unsure if you're in a cult, like, as soon as the guy wants to your wife, you should be.

[Jamie]

Or your dad. Right.

[Brian Simpson]

Or just anyone.

[Jamie]

This guy was fucking everybody.

[Brian Simpson]

As soon as the leader need to fuck your family.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that's a problem.

[Brian Simpson]

That's the red flag right there. If there was no alarm bells before that point, like when they asked you to give up all your stuff, maybe you still had hope. You know, when they started giving you duties as a servant, maybe you still had hope. But when they need to fuck your family members, I feel like that should set off all the alarms for you.

[Jamie]

For me, they wait until you're deep in the cult before they bust that one out. Like David Koresh, didn't he wait like a long Time, I think they were already on the compound. He was like, God just told me, I have to your wife, like, for real. It was one of that. It was that dumb. It was like that dumb. Like, God spoke to him and told him that no one was allowed to have sex but him. Everybody's wife.

[Brian Simpson]

Group pressure is very powerful.

[Jamie]

Find out if that's true.

[Brian Simpson]

Like, none of us are really above it. You know, you got to be careful what groups you around in, because that pressure to conform, you know? Cause I bet he's not just like, I gotta fuck your wife. But he's surrounded by people going, do it, do it.

[Jamie]

You're all cheered on with towels.

[Brian Simpson]

They have their little saying. They say, you know that pressure to praise Jesus? Yep. That pressure to please everyone. Yeah. Cause there's a certain type of person that gets sucked roped into those things.

[Jamie]

Well, I always wonder about that. Like, is there a grand pattern to the universe? Is there a mathematica mathematical formulation that we exist in, where you have to have a certain amount of gullible people and then a certain amount of devious people that try to trick people and con artists, and then a certain amount of people like you that are like, what the fuck is going on? Like that. All of this sort of, like, dances together and balances itself out. And just like nature has predators and it has wounded antelope that get too close to the water hole, all these things, like, kind of have to exist at the same time in order for progress to be made. It seems like it's just a certain amount of people that are just born gullible. And not just gullible, but kind of like wanting to be tricked. He reportedly annulled marriages of couples and who joined the sect and took multiple women as his spiritual wives, some of whom were very young girls. Former cult members have alleged that Koresh slept with wives of other members and maintained a harem, sometimes with women who were already married, and fathered numerous children with various women. Koresh also instructed male followers to practice celibacy and surrender their wives to him. This behavior was part of his doctrine and control over the group's women and children, often accompanied by allegations of sexual abuse and manipulation.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, see, the thing is, those guys, they're not influential guys.

[Jamie]

Their.

[Brian Simpson]

Their superpower is their ability to know who. Like, they can. They can sense who's broken in just the right way and come in and be daddy.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

You know, can you imagine a motherfucker telling you to be celibate while he banging your wife?

[Jamie]

Crazy. Crazy. And you're living in a compound with him and heavily armed, and you gave.

[Brian Simpson]

Him all your worldly possessions.

[Jamie]

And he sings and he's terrible. I have to listen to him saying, you ever listen? I'm saying.

[Brian Simpson]

Or he dancing on the stage that you built.

[Jamie]

Listen, play some David Koresh music. He has like. He would sing songs. They were terrible.

[Brian Simpson]

He has music?

[Jamie]

Yeah, he was terrible. Yeah, he was a musician. He was a frustrated musician who became an evangelical. I don't know. Give me one. Anyone? They're all. I'm sure they all suck. Laughs. Let's listen to David Koresh, recorded in Waco, Texas, 1989. If I was in that cult, I'd be like, no way.

[Brian Simpson]

I think I want to let him my wife now.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but how about that name? The name. Is that like the name of a woman he was trying to. Shoshanium. I mean, that's a weird name.

[Brian Simpson]

What does it say?

[Jamie]

Very unusual name. I've never heard that name in my whole life.

[Brian Simpson]

It probably was some girl he was trying to.

[Jamie]

Probably has to be biblical. Oh, Psalms, Hebrew lilies mentioned in Psalms 45 and 49. It is. Meaning. Its meaning in these psalms is uncertain. Some believe it's kind of Lil. Click on that. What? It says a kind of lily. What is that saying? Lily shaped straight trumpet. What? A six string trumpet. A word commencing a song or the melody of which these psalms were to be sung. I don't even know.

[Brian Simpson]

It was probably some girl's name.

[Jamie]

Yeah, probably a chick.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

I saw Lil and I. I was like, is that Lilith? Do you know Lilith is. You ever heard of Lilith?

[Brian Simpson]

You mean like the demon?

[Jamie]

Well, Lilith was like, apparently before Eve. There's like. This is like now again, I don't know who to believe or who not to believe. And what. I. I don't even know what scriptures show Lilith and what don't.

[Brian Simpson]

But everything I know about Lilith is from Diablo lore.

[Jamie]

Oh, that's funny. No, Lilith is like a character in ancient religious texts.

[Brian Simpson]

Right. Like she's a daughter of who is.

[Jamie]

Well, we're gonna find out because I'll butcher it. I'm very hesitant to say what I think it is because I don't really remember.

[Brian Simpson]

She's the daughter of Beelzebub.

[Jamie]

This is. I. Did Wes Huff tell us about this? No. You know who told us about this? Kurt Metzger. Kurt Metzger was ranting and raving about Lilith. You don't know.

[Brian Simpson]

You don't know about Lilith?

[Jamie's Assistant]

There's a few different ones, but this is the one that he was Talking.

[Jamie]

About Lilith is not a character in the Bible. Her name is only mentioned in one verse in the book of Isaiah.

[Jamie's Assistant]

This one here.

[Jamie]

Okay. Origin of the legend. The story of Lilith as Adam's first wife comes from later Jewish folklore, such as the Alphabet of Ben Sira, which was not included in the canonical Bible. The legend's core stories. According to its folklore, Lilith was created from the earth at the same time as Adam, making her his equal. When she refused to be subservient to him, she left the Garden of Eden. That sounds like a true story. Some interpretations claim that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 describe two different creation stories and two different women. This is considered incorrect and ludicrous by many biblical scholars and theologians. Evolution of the figure over time, Lilith's story evolved from a simple night demon from Mesopotamian cultures to more complex figure in Jewish traditional. In modern times, some have reclaimed her as a feminist symbol of independence and equality. That's funny. A Lilith fair. That's where that little.

[Brian Simpson]

See there, that picture of Lilith, that's from the game. That's from Diablo, the video game.

[Jamie]

I would play as that character. Can you play as her? No, no, no.

[Brian Simpson]

She's the bad guy. But she, she you up.

[Jamie]

That would be a dope character for Quake if you could be Lilith and run around a map people up.

[Brian Simpson]

I think you can be her in Fortnite or something.

[Jamie]

Nice.

[Brian Simpson]

I think they buy everything.

[Jamie]

That's what she looked like in the game. In the game.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, yeah. And she was. She's hard to beat.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. I've only beat her once, but I haven't played in a long time. But yeah. Everything I know about her is from that game. And it sounds like it's all wrong.

[Jamie]

But isn't it funny that Shoshana Neem or whatever the it is, they don't even know what that was. Like. It might have been a trumpet. It might have been a flute. It might have been a person. Oh, it could have been the song. It could have been the way you sing.

[Brian Simpson]

I bet you like some. A Hebrew scholar could probably tell you.

[Jamie]

Maybe. It seems like it's up for debate. That's the problem with a lot of really old. It's like they're just guessing. They're really old. They're just guessing. Like, what is. What are they trying to say in the book of Ezekiel? What are they trying to say?

[Brian Simpson]

Is it crazy?

[Jamie]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Simpson]

I haven't read a Bible in like, oh, 20 years.

[Jamie]

The Ezekiel stuff's bananas, man.

[Jamie's Assistant]

I asked the perplexity a little More about Shoshanahim.

[Jamie]

Oh, okay. Was a group or entity related to the branch Davidians cult led by David Koresh a group or entity related to it? The name seems to refer to Koresh's followers who identified themselves as students of the seven seals. Oh, so they were his people. So he called his people that group.

[Brian Simpson]

Alliteration against you every time.

[Jamie]

Reflection. Reflecting their focus on apocalyptic teachings derived from the Bible's book of Revelation, Koresh positioned himself as a messianic figure, calling himself the lamb who would open the seven seals, an event that would lead to salvation and the apocalypse. Followers under Koresh's leadership and ideology were sometimes referred to as Koreshans. You know, would be crazy. What really would be crazy is if heaven was real and the murder, like them being murdered, sent them to heaven because they were. Those people were murdered. Like, you ever see what the actual footage of the. The when they stormed Waco?

[Brian Simpson]

No.

[Jamie]

Oh, bro, it's crazy. They killed those people. They lit them on fire. They drove tanks into the buildings and flames are shooting out of the tanks. They just cook those people. Not just Koresh. Not just people. Everybody. Men, women, children.

[Brian Simpson]

What were they trying to do in the first place? Just have them disarm?

[Jamie]

Well, there was a problem with. There's a lot to the story, and it seems like in the beginning there might have been some governmental overreach, like they were trying to get a win and they were trying to. Who described this to us? Was it Oliver Stone? Who is telling it? Might have been Daryl Cooper. Daryl Cooper has an amazing series, all on the Waco. No, he doesn't. It's the Epstein files. Someone he doesn't have. He has one on Guyana. That's what he has on. Somebody has one on Koresh. Is it Cooper? So who has a series on Koresh? I'm sorry, I'm blanking here. But the point is they wanted to win, so they wanted to take out this cult. And so they. They exaggerated what they were doing and they had a stand down. So they stood outside the. Of the gates with like armored vehicles and cops and men with guns, and they waited them out. And eventually it escalated. It escalated to them getting agents on the roof. Agents on the roof got shot at by the people that were in the cult. And so then they started shooting at them and it became a gunfight. And then they brought in tanks and lit it on fire and killed everybody. It's. It's a crazy story, man. It is crazy. It is the whole thing. There was a. I know there's A documentary on it as well that like details, like all the different things that led up to the eventual storming of the compound.

[Brian Simpson]

It did that because what year did that happen? Was that like 80?

[Jamie]

Yeah, it was like, I think it was like in either the early 90s, like 90 or 80. What was it the siege was in?

[Jamie's Assistant]

93.

[Jamie]

Oh, was it really 93?

[Brian Simpson]

See, I don't remember that. I remember it like, I remember, like, I vaguely remember hearing about it, but in my mind it's like. It's not like something that happened.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

You know, because that's the same. That was right around. Wasn't it around the O.J. murder too?

[Jamie]

Yep, yep. Because that trial was 94.

[Brian Simpson]

Okay. Yeah. So I was like, to me, that's a significant cultural event. And I don't remember the Waco thing being like. I remember hearing about it afterwards. I don't remember hearing about it while it was happening.

[Jamie]

Oh, I heard about it.

[Brian Simpson]

But were people. What did. How did, how did the people react to the government just killing people?

[Jamie]

Even though they didn't know, Even though there was no Internet back then, it took a while before people really got hip. There was a few documentaries that released or some news footage that was. Got released and maybe you can get a hold of a VHS tape, some obscure VHS tape that might have something to do with Waco, but. But people really didn't know until they started making documentaries about it. Until they saw it on the Internet. Once you can see it. Because most people are just going to believe the narrative. What's the narrative? People had guns, which they did. The guy was a piece of. And a cult leader, which he was. But like, how did it lead to mass murder? How did it lead to them? Just. Well, it led to. They blocked out this guy's house. They, they. You know, and that's not even the worst one. The worst one is Ruby Ridge. That one's horrible.

[Brian Simpson]

What happened at Ruby Ridge, put.

[Jamie]

Put that into perplexity. Ruby Ridge. This one's a crazy story because the Ruby Ridge story is like totally avoidable and horrific. Like they shot a mother while she was holding her baby. Like crazy. This, these fam. It was like a family of like preppers. They were like out in the woods and you know, maybe the guy was like a little radical, but they completely escalated it.

[Brian Simpson]

Was this in Texas too?

[Jamie]

Murdered? No, I don't remember where that was. Where was that? Idaho. Okay. Incident was 11 day standoff in August of 1992 in Boundary County, Idaho, involving Randy Weaver, his family and a friend, Kevin Harris against U.S. marshals and FBI agents. It began when U.S. marshals sought to arrest Randy Weaver for failing to appear in court on federal firearms charges related to the sale of a modified shotgun. The situation escalated after Weaver's dog was shot by a marshal during surveillance leading to a firefight in which Weaver's 14 year old son Samuel was killed by gunfire. Kevin Harris, a family friend, shot and killed Deputy Marshal William Deegan during the exchange. FBI Hostage Rescue team was called in. And during a sniper shot, Randy Weaver was wounded. The sniper second shot intended for Harris also hit and killed Weaver's wife Vicki, who was holding their infant daughter behind a cabin door. The siege ended when negotiators including activist Bo Gritz, convinced Weaver and Harris to surrender. Harris was arrested on August 30 and Weaver, with his daughter, surrendered the next day. Criticism later arose over the FBI's rules of engagement and use of deadly force, particularly the constitutional legality of the sniper second shot that killed Vicki Weaver. The standoff highlighted tensions between federal law enforcement and citizens, especially among anti government and white separatist groups. Weaver and Harris were charged with several offenses but were acquitted of the most severe charges. Except Weaver's conviction for failure to appear in court. Interesting that. Were both acquitted.

[Brian Simpson]

Damn.

[Jamie]

But they got in a firefight with the feds and they were acquitted.

[Brian Simpson]

Well, Kevin Harris popped it off and.

[Jamie]

You know, just look at that statement. Weaver and Harris were charged with several offenses but were acquitted of the most severe charges, except Weaver's conviction for failure to appear in court. That's all they got him for failure to appear in court. They killed his wife, they shot his kid, they killed his kid, they killed his dog. And it was because he failed to appear in court because he sold a modified gun. I don't even know what that means. Was it a sawed off shotgun, which is illegal. Did he change the trigger? What did he do something? Did he put a large magazine at the bottom of it? Like what did he do? That was illegal. That's crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

But also, why are they allowed to kill your dog?

[Jamie]

Exactly.

[Brian Simpson]

Because that's what popped it all off, right?

[Jamie]

Oh, you want to hear one of the worst ones of that? There was a mayor. I forget where what he was the mayor of. It might have been Washington D.C. but he was a mayor. And he had a postman that was doing some sneaky shit. And the postman was getting weed delivered to his house. Because they figured, if I get it, I'm delivering the mail to the mayor's house. And if I get the weed delivered to the mayor's house. No one's going to check the mayor's packages for weed. So I know which one my friend sent to the mayor's house. I'll just take that. And that way, you know, I'll have the weed and no one will be any the wiser. Well, unfortunately, someone was tracking that package, and they knew that that weed was going to this particular address. They didn't know it was the mayor's house. So they stormed the mayor's house, shoot his fucking golden retriever, Chase it out in the. In the yard while it's cowering, and shoot it. You've been around my golden retriever. Like, the golden retrievers are not biting anybody ever. Ever. They're the worst guard dogs in the history of the world. Anybody who comes into my house, like.

[Brian Simpson]

Hey, you want to give me a treat?

[Jamie]

Like, he loves everybody. And they. They shot his dogs. They fucking zip tied his family, checked the whole house for weed, couldn't find anything. And then eventually it unraveled and they realized what had happened. Like, the guy who was in delivering his mail was also involved in this weed dealer. And they, you know, they didn't piece it together until after they shot this guy's fucking dogs.

[Brian Simpson]

But who's they?

[Jamie]

The cops, the SWAT team. They burst down his door. They did the whole thing, man. They came in, guns, armor, fucking zip tied everybody. They thought they were breaking into the house of, like, a drug. That's how bad their information is.

[Brian Simpson]

It sounds like they need to see.

[Jamie]

If you find that story because it's a very. It's a crazy story. And it was so heartbreaking because the family had to. The kids had to see their dog get shot by these cops for no reason. No reason.

[Brian Simpson]

They really got to start letting cops smoke weed?

[Jamie]

I think so. Mushrooms. Weed's not strong enough, but. But something to get well, also, it's like therapy. And, you know, also, it's like, hey, know for sure? Like, really do an investigation? How about find out who lives there? Oh, my God, it's the mayor.

[Brian Simpson]

Or, like, if you shoot a golden retriever, you should probably have to retire.

[Jamie]

So here it is. Maryland. So police say Maryland mayor appears to be innocent victims of a scheme by two men to smuggle millions of dollars worth of marijuana by having it delivered to about a half a dozen unsuspecting recipients. So he was one of the many people that this guy delivered mail to. So he got home from work, saw a package addressed to his wife on the front porch, brought it inside, putting it on a TABLE Suddenly police with guns drawn, kicked in the door, stormed in, shooting to death the couple's two dogs and seizing the unopened package. In it were 32 pounds of marijuana. But the drugs evidently didn't belong to the couple. Police say the couple appeared to be innocent victims of a scheme by two young men to smuggle millions of dollars of marijuana to unsuspecting recipients. Two men under the arrest include a FedEx delivery man. Investigators said the delivery man would drop off a package outside of a home and the other man would come by a short time later and pick it up. Wow, isn't that crazy?

[Brian Simpson]

And. But only. Hold on. So only the. Only the dogs died though. Our dogs were our children.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Police apparently killed the dogs, he said, for sport, gunning down one of them as it was running away. Our dogs were our children, said the 37 year old Calvo.

[Brian Simpson]

Laughs 2 Lab.

[Jamie]

Oh, they were labs. Oh, that's. Oh, they're black labs. I thought they were golden retrievers. I fucked it up. Our dogs were our children. Again, lab. Same thing. Labs aren't biting anybody. The sweetest dogs in the world, said the 37 year old Calvo. They were our reason. We brought this house because it had a big yard for them to run in. Un fucking believable. He was handcuffed in his boxer shorts for about two hours along with his mother in law. Said the officers didn't believe him. We told them he was the mayor there. No charges were brought against Calvo always or his wife who came home in the middle of the raid. Man.

[Brian Simpson]

But they, they ain't even apologized for killing dogs.

[Jamie]

Kills labs, bro.

[Brian Simpson]

You found out. Wow. Like I just, I just so sad. I just came from Tulsa, Oklahoma. But like the. You're like the Tulsa Massacre.

[Jamie]

What's the Tulsa Massacre?

[Brian Simpson]

It was like black Wall Street. It was like.

[Jamie]

When was this?

[Brian Simpson]

This was the twenties, I think. Or maybe the 1910, like in the 1910s where like after the trails, the trails of tears. Well, the civilized tribes basically they were told that they could have Oklahoma because the land smell funny there. Smell funny, whatever. And then they found oil and that's. That set off a whole bunch of shit because now you got a bunch of natives and freed slaves. That's about to be rich. So you ever. You see that movie, the Flower Moon movie?

[Jamie]

No, I didn't see it.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh. But it's kind of like that. Like they would. Because they couldn't sell their land, particularly some tribes couldn't sell their land. So you had to marry into the family and Then if you killed everybody, it was yours.

[Jamie]

Really?

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. And so. But Tulsa was black Wall street, but it was like the Greenwood area of Tulsa, and they. And it was basically like a prosperous, wealthy black community. And there was a riot one night, and they burned it all down.

[Jamie]

And so they did this because of oil?

[Brian Simpson]

No. Well, that was the backdrop for Oklahoma. But they did this just because of racial jealousy.

[Jamie]

Just like, oh, they did it because they were doing well.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, they were doing too well. And it was a lot of racial tension in the community, because the whole idea behind institutional racism is that poor white people don't mind being taken advantage of because they know that it's black people somewhere that's doing worse than them. But that doesn't work if you living next to dudes that's dressing better than you. They got cars, they got driving business. And it got racial. Like, the National Guard came in, and that was all stuff I learned before I went there. But then I went to the museum there, and I bring this up just because it would blow your mind how recently they, like. They just now acknowledged it, like, five years ago. Right. This all happened because I was at the comedy club I was at. I mentioned to the owner, I was like, I've stayed in Hilton's all over the place. Why does my Hilton say, why does it have these pure things everywhere to tell you that the air is clean and the water's clean? And he was like, oh, yeah. They just started filtering the water that goes to the north side of town, like, a few years ago, like, the black side of town. I was like, what? Like, how long? How recently? He was like, 20, and me and my friend were like, 20. It's like, yeah, put that back up. So. So I was like. He was like, have you not been to the museum? I'm like, no. So we went over there, and it was like. It was a heavy day, bro.

[Jamie]

This is crazy. Look at this statistics here. Look how many blocks. 35 square blocks of the neighborhood.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

At the time, one of the wealthiest black communities in the United States, colloquially known as Black Wall street. More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals. As many 6,000 black residents of Tulsa were interned, many of them for several days. The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital statistics officially recorded 36 dead. Whoa.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. And so they just now started, like, the guy told me, look at this.

[Jamie]

Estimates from up to. From 36 to up to around 300 dead, 35 blocks.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, they. They don't know how many are there because it was a lot of mass graves and stuff that they just started.

[Jamie]

Looking for Holy Man.

[Brian Simpson]

But even still, to the, even still to this day, they're not allowed to teach about it in schools. Like they just now started being allowed to teach about it. But they're not allowed to say who was who.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Even the YouTube video has age restricted. I was going to show it to you, but the account I'm on, I didn't want to do it.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, this, this was crazy. And so, and, and so Joe, if you want to, if you want to feel real uncomfortable, so I'll go in the museum. And they have these holograms. So you sit in the barber chair and you can see yourself in the mirror, but there's a hologram of a barber like cutting your hair and there's three of them in a row and they're like having a conversation about what's going on around town. It's heavy, bro.

[Jamie]

Wow. Put that back up. So the cause of it they're saying. So it says the massacre began during Memorial weekend after a 19 year old, Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah page, a white 21 year old elevator operator in nearby Drexel building. He was arrested and rumors that he was to be lynch spread. The most likely, most widely reported and corroborated inciting incident occurred as the group of black men left. When an elderly white man approached OB man, a black man, and demanded that he hand over his pistol. Man refused and the old man attempted to disarm him. A gunshot went off and then according to the sheriff's reports, all hell broke loose. The two groups shot at each other until midnight when the group of black men were greatly outnumbered and forced to retreat to Greenwood. At the end of the exchange of gunfire, 12 people were dead. Ten white and two black. Alternatively, another eyewitness account was that the shooting began down the street from the courthouse when black business owners came to the defense of a lone black man being attacked by a group of around six white men. It is possible the eyewitnesses did not recognize the fact that this incident was occurring as a part of a rolling gunfight that was already underway. Holy fuck, man.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, shit went down in Greenwood and the thing is, it's still not back. So then they put a highway right through the middle of that neighborhood and it completely like destroyed all of the economy and everything. Wow. Yeah, man. And I like, I thought I knew about this shit, but then when I went there, it was real intense for me. But then we ate some good ass food though. It was me and Lucas McCrary and when we got done, we got back to the hotel, he was like, well, that's the blackest day I've ever had. I was like, might be mad, too.

[Jamie]

This is the place.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's called the.

[Jamie]

Oh, wow.

[Brian Simpson]

It's called the. The Black Wall Street Museum.

[Jamie]

And they just recently. They just recently admitted this.

[Brian Simpson]

They. They admitted it probably in the, like, 2010 or something like that. They acknowledged it. I mean, everyone already knew. But now they're just now getting to the point where they're allowed to, like, teach it, but they still aren't allowed to say what the people look like. So they can say, group A did this and group B did that, but they can't say black, white. They can't say Klan this, you know. Really? Yeah. They still won't say certain people's names. Cause these are like. Cause the Klan is heavily involved, too. Like, when you go to the museum, there's like a Klan ledger of, like, the meeting, you know, like a roll call. Yeah, it was a wild. It's wild out there in Oklahoma. And the thing is, they still haven't recovered. That neighborhood is still not recovered. I mean, it never will at this point.

[Jamie]

The history of Oklahoma is so crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

Oklahoma is not. Well, that's the thing. So we get done the tour. We walk out of the tour guide. And I walked past this guy. I didn't know he was one of the guides. Cause we didn't take a guide. We just walked through the museum ourselves. And he goes, you look familiar. And I was like, you probably know me from comedy. He was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he is like the guide. And then we walked around with him for like an hour.

[Jamie]

Oh, wow.

[Brian Simpson]

And he just. He told us. He was like, yeah, they don't even say everything. So this is also. Blah, blah, blah. He took us to, like, all these historical spots, and we ate at this place called Sweet Lisa's, which, bro, you could taste. You could taste the struggle, the season, everything but the season. Just perfection. You know what I mean? You could just tell this recipe came from the ancestors. It was incredible. And it's like in this little shop, they just got indoor seating, you know?

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, it was like. It was like. It was almost like, I guess. Cause in my mind, it's easy to learn about shit like that and think of it as something that happened a long time ago, but then to be there and realize, like, they still haven't come all the way back.

[Jamie]

You know, you see that photo of that lady, that Native American lady at the front door, whether she's breastfeeding a child. You've seen it.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, at the mothership.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Here. Here in this room. Oh, no, I went outside. You never.

[Brian Simpson]

No, no.

[Jamie]

You know that. That one. The. You've seen the. The painting of a Native American face that's on bullets. It's like all you see, that's Quanah Parker. That lady, Cynthia Ann Parker, she was kidnapped by Comanches in Oklahoma. So what they used to do in Oklahoma is. This is so dark. They would give people these plots of land knowing they were going to get attacked by the Comanches. Like, hey, go. You could go live out here. And they basically, like, use them as bait. They started conflict to try to conquer these territories by just having people go out there and get shot at and get killed and get slaughtered. And then eventually they would have to send the army out. And then they won after a long time. They eventually went through that and went through here. Where? Texas. The Comanche ran this place, too. But they killed her whole family. And they stole her when she was nine years old. And they kept her because they had a hard time having children because they had so many horse riders. They were riding horses all the time. And a lot of women miscarried. So it's very difficult for them to keep their numbers up. So when they would go on raiding parties, they would kill everybody except the children. And then they incorporate the children into the tribe. Cynthia Ann Parker was the last of that tribe. She gave birth to Quanah Parker, who was the last chief of that tribe.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Tribe.

[Jamie]

She married the chief of the tribe. She had a baby with him. That baby, that half American baby, was Quanah Parker. He was the last chief of the Comanches.

[Brian Simpson]

So now there's no more commanders.

[Jamie]

I mean, they still exist, but they don't have a reservation. Like, you know, like, they don't have territory. It's. They were nomadic and they. They ran all. I mean, I'm sure they. Is there a Comanche reservation? We should find that out.

[Brian Simpson]

Probably not.

[Jamie]

But it's. They don't get represented because they didn't have army art. There's a. Crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

What a dude was telling me that, like. So there were four tribes considered the civilized tribes. And those are the people that agreed to, like, stop fighting the United States, to, like, learn English, to, like, be Christian, those kind of things. And they were promised Oklahoma, knowing that it was already commanded. So they got out there and got the.

[Jamie]

Yeah, the United States government did that with everybody, bro. The Comanche nation is a federally recognized Tribe headquartered in Lawton, Oklahoma. But do they have a reservation there? There's no longer a Comanche reservation in Texas. The historical one established in 1854 near Clear Fork of the Brazos river in present day Throckmorton County. The Comanche were later forced to relocate to Indian territory now known as Oklahoma in 1859 after the reservation was dissolved. And the current Comanche nation is based in Oklahoma. So it seems like they don't have a reservation.

[Brian Simpson]

Bro, it's mad history that I'm so ignorant about.

[Jamie]

Gotta read this book. Empire of the Summer Moon. Get it on audio, it's incredible.

[Brian Simpson]

Empire of the Summer Moon.

[Jamie]

Empire of the Summer Moon. It's all about the Comanche in Texas and in Oklahoma. But that's part of the story. So like, what I was getting at is like the history of Oklahoma is just seeped in violence and it's.

[Brian Simpson]

But. And it's still not fixed.

[Jamie]

It can't be.

[Brian Simpson]

But a lot of people are moving there right now.

[Jamie]

Well, I bet it's a lot of people want to move to a place where they don't get fucked with as much. New California. What's called Empire of the Summer Moon. You know what California is proposing? I don't know if they're gonna do this, if they're gonna be able to pull this off, but there's a new wealth tax that's basically. They're gonna tax your savings account.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Look that up. It's only for 200 billionaires. What is what that's for?

[Jamie]

What does that mean?

[Jamie's Assistant]

It's not for like every person.

[Jamie]

Okay. Even if it's for 200 billionaires, that's their money. If you have a savings account, that means you paid taxes already. Like that's the only way you get a savings account.

[Brian Simpson]

They're taxing. They're taxing billionaires savings accounts.

[Jamie]

This is what I was reading today when people were talking about the proposition, this proposition of a wealth tax for savings accounts. That sounds, if I'm not reading into this incorrectly, one time. It sounds crazy. Crazy. Whatever.

[Jamie's Assistant]

I'm just saying.

[Jamie]

I just. I understand. But why, why, why, why do you get to have a one time tax of money that's already taxed? California does not currently have a wealth tax, but multiple proposals have been introduced, including a recent one for a one time 5% tax on individuals with a net worth of over 1 billion.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, I'm with Jamie on this. Fuck them.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but not fuck them, because that could be used someday. Here's the thing. It's like, it's it starts with them and then it trickles down to someone who's working worth 500,000 or 5 million or whatever. 5% on money that you've already been taxed for. And then to goes to what though? When you say them, all it does is make more bloated government. Because what are they going to do? They're going to spend it wisely. They never spend any money wisely.

[Brian Simpson]

The reason I say them is because most of these billionaires, they, they go out of their way not to pay the taxes they supposed to pay anyway. It's not like they getting taxed. You know, a lot of these don't even pay any taxes.

[Jamie]

Oh, that's not true. No, they all pay taxes. Everyone pays taxes. Taxes. It's just taxes. On what? Like a lot of them. The way it works is all your money is in assets and you get paid a certain amount by the company. Like that's how, like. So when someone's worth X amount of money, that's not like how much money they have liquid.

[Brian Simpson]

Right, right. I get it.

[Jamie]

You know, that's a lot of it. But the point is, no, the government should not be taking your money that's already been taxed. If that's, if I'm reading into this correctly. So if you get a paycheck from the mothership and then, you know, you do your taxes and then you take that money and you put it in a savings account, you've already paid your taxes. So if you've already paid your taxes on that money, how can they tax money that you've already taxed? That's crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

I don't agree with you.

[Jamie]

How much money they own, I don't care how much. If there's a loophole in the tax code, fix the loophole. But if it's there and that's the law and they're able to skirt around that law in whatever way that's legal, you don't get to steal their money.

[Jamie's Assistant]

According to the Washington Post, this is from a health care workers union. That's a recent proposal and it will go to fund health care spending. It still has to be voted on also.

[Jamie]

But either way, all you're doing is taking money from people. And the group believes this could raise about 100 billion. Right. And what would they do with it? What do they do with the fire money? What happened to all the money that was raised for the Pacific Palisades fire?

[Brian Simpson]

Does anybody know that's a charity being corrupt? That wasn't the government.

[Jamie]

Right, but this is what I'M saying it's the same thing. It's a group of people, you're giving them a bunch of money and they're supposed to allocate it in a positive way, whether it's the government or whether it's a charity. Who fucking trusts anybody that's doing these things to be wise with the money where it makes sense, where you're a billionaire going, you know what? I like it, take my 5% and we're gonna fix crime. No, you're not fixing shit. You're just going to take my money and you're just going to be more incompetent. Do you know when Gavin Newsom got into office, they had a surplus? California had a surplus.

[Brian Simpson]

Really?

[Jamie]

Yes. Why don't you google that? What was the surplus of California? And during the time where Gavin Newsom was the governor, how much is the deficit?

[Brian Simpson]

Because I only hear surplus with regard.

[Jamie]

To Bill Clinton, bro. They spent $24 billion on the homeless crisis and it got worse. So this is what I'm saying. You're tax money and you're going to do what with it? In 2022, California Governor Gavin Newsom announced record breaking budget surplus of approximately $97.5 billion which was projected to fund new initiatives like cash payments to residents and investments in drought relief, child care and education. However, the state later forced a significant budget deficit. Excuse me. However, the state later faced a significant budget deficit primarily due to overestimating revenues from a booming stock market that later declined, coupled with increasing increased spending commitments during the surplus period. By 2024, Newsom was proposing a budget to close a multi billion dollar deficit. It which required spending cuts and other measures to balance a budget. So the surplus of $97.5 billion, it became a multibillion dollar deficit in two years.

[Brian Simpson]

Because of the stock market.

[Jamie]

It seems like there's a lot of stuff overestimating revenues, increased spending commitments, which is probably a big part of it. They probably spent too much money during the surplus period.

[Brian Simpson]

What if they.

[Jamie]

The point is it's mismanaged.

[Brian Simpson]

What if they only tax the people? That's on the Epstein list.

[Jamie]

Ah, you only get so much. Just take all their money. Yeah, if you're on the list, take all your money. They'd probably only get a few hundred billion dollars. That's the thing. It's like at the end of the day, you, you. They're gonna blow through that money. It sounds crazy, but they're gonna blow through that money. They blow through all the money.

[Brian Simpson]

But you know, I mean, you're right. It's not fair on paper, but it's hard to have empathy for people that have way more. More than the people. You know what I mean?

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah. Not having empathy. I'm just recognizing the law and recognizing where this goes. The problem with any. Any decision that we make on people that have more money than us, eventually it's going to trickle down to you. Because, like, if they could just tax these people because there's only 200 of them, they can't really talk too much shit, you know, like, okay, but why are you doing that? Look, if they did something illegal to get that money and you know you're going to punish them for that, I'm all with you. But if they have the money and then it's in their savings account, and then you decide to tax the savings account because you need money to do what? More incompetent bullshit. That's the problem. Like, they're not competent. If they were. If you're going to take that 5%, and you knew this is going to be what cleans up the Palisades. This is going to be what fixes education. But it's not. It's not going to do anything. The homeless crisis gets worse. It's bigger than ever.

[Brian Simpson]

Well, that's. That's a whole. That the homeless thing is a whole racket, because I experienced that firsthand.

[Jamie]

So good. So good.

[Brian Simpson]

So good.

[Jamie]

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[Brian Simpson]

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[Jamie]

Big gift, big perks. That's why you rack.

[Brian Simpson]

It's just. It's just people making money. That money isn't going to actually help anybody that's on the streets. I mean, it kind of is, but not really. You know, it's.

[Jamie]

There's so many charities that are dirty, just like people that are dirty, you know, like those creepy guys who pretend to be male feminists and, you know, they're really a piece of shit. You know what I mean? Like, that's. That's the type of people that set up charities, but they really just want the money. Like, there's people that have run charities where the charity makers the actual thing makes like 6%, 10% of the money generated. Most of it goes to the people and they. They have lavish lifestyles. They get paid tremendous salaries.

[Brian Simpson]

Did I ever tell you that?

[Jamie]

To run charities.

[Brian Simpson]

The shelter I was living in, how we. The guy that was running the place got. He got high and then the. And then the. The executive had to show up and he pulled up in a fucking phantom with. With a fancy ass suit on and a nice ass watch. I was like, hold on. How the is he. Because that's the first time it hit everybody like, oh, this isn't a.

[Jamie]

It's a business.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, it's a business.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's a business. They're generating income, spending the least amount possible, providing you with the least amount of care that they have to, and then pocketing the rest. And say we got a high overhead. Very high overhead.

[Brian Simpson]

As long as somebody dies. Yeah, because that's. That's the thing. It's all a racket. And everyone knows it's like all wink, wink. But they were the rules actually applied to the actual homeless residents. Yeah, but it was all nonsense. It's like they were real strict about you make sure you signing these papers saying you were doing these activities because they were getting grants for those things.

[Jamie]

Exactly.

[Brian Simpson]

But it's like, well, just put my signature on there. This is all bullshit. Right. But yeah, I think most charities are scam.

[Jamie]

Most charities have an element of scam.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

There's a lot of legitimate charities out there, for sure. There's a lot of really good charitable people out there, for sure. Real people that are doing charities for the right reasons.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, the workers. A lot. The workers are in there for the right reason.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Brian Simpson]

But it's. It's just like. It's just like colleges. Right. Where it's like. It's. It's just that the entity has become so bloated with. Because think. If I think. Can you look it up, Jamie, how most of like the top universities, most of their money goes towards administration. So they've just create. You know, they. First they hire people to collect the money and then they got to hire more people to watch over those people. Then more people get more, and then before you know it, it. The. The whole admin side is so bloated that the college gets upside down if they don't raise tuition. You know, it just keeps going and it's just like. Just keep going and going and going and going.

[Jamie]

They have donors, which is weird.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. I don't understand how that works.

[Jamie]

Crazy amounts of money people donate to colleges.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. That people love their alma maters. But it must. There must be a tax thing too.

[Jamie]

Where does the money from most Universities go. The money from most universities primarily goes towards faculty and staff salaries, student services and campus maintenance. Significant portion is also allocated to research, academic programs and scholarships. Universities spend on maintaining buildings and facilities, supporting student housing and dining, healthcare, technology upgrades and activities like sports and events. Government funding, tuition, investments, grants, donations, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Eventually, administrative costs and strategic initiatives also consume parts of the budget. Overall, salaries and wages usually make up the largest expenditure category for universities. So it's salaries. Yeah, they get a lot of money.

[Brian Simpson]

It's salary for the, for the, for the admin people, the coaches, Some of those coaches.

[Jamie]

Well, there's weird, there's weird gigs that people have where like a major university will pay someone like a half a million dollars a year to do stuff like does Elizabeth Warren get paid from Harvard still? Like speak. Yeah, like, you know who had one of them gig gigs? Biden. He had one of them gigs where they gave him like a million dollars a year and he pretended he was a professor. And then, you know, like he said when I taught law at Penn State or wherever it was he taught, it was like professor. Yeah, yeah. But he never taught class. Like it's all horseshit.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, he was never.

[Jamie]

Anybody got one of them sweet gigs where you get, you get money from.

[Brian Simpson]

The university, bro, Sign me up.

[Jamie]

Those are like mafia jobs.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, I'll take a job in.

[Jamie]

Elizabeth Warren, currently United States Senator. She's on leave from her teaching position at Harvard and no longer receives a salary from the university. Her current annual salary as a senator is $174,000. She and her husband, also a Harvard professor, report additional income from book royalties and investments. Her salary for this 2010-2011 was reported at $429,000. This figure came under scrutiny during her first Senate campaign with critics mischaracterizing it as payment for teaching only one class. PolitiFact rated this claim half true because the amount covered a two year period in which she taught two classes and was on leave to advise the Obama administration. And also reflected her status as a high ranking accomplished professor and researcher.

[Brian Simpson]

Stop mischaracterizing Elizabeth.

[Jamie]

Joe, what is her net worth? Goop. Put that in there. Net worth accurate? Let's find out.

[Brian Simpson]

Bro, this shit's always wrong.

[Jamie]

Okay?

[Jamie's Assistant]

It's not a good place to look.

[Brian Simpson]

Because I look with the net worth. The Internet be. They said, they said I'm worth $4 million. I said, where the that money at?

[Jamie]

Yeah, maybe they just say you should be.

[Brian Simpson]

I think people just be making up.

[Jamie]

Well, they definitely do that. Yeah, they Definitely make up stuff, especially those web. That's why I got in some Indian website, some, some scammer dude is just faking it, just trying to get clicks.

[Brian Simpson]

Maybe. Yeah, maybe. They saying.

[Jamie]

It says an estimated. This is in open secrets.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, in the Senate.

[Jamie]

In the Senate. So an estimated net worth of $7,977,000 in 2018. That was in 2018 she was worth that much.

[Brian Simpson]

Isn't there an app where you can like match the stock trades of senators?

[Jamie]

Yes, the Pelosi tracker.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, it's just her.

[Jamie]

Yeah, she's the best. She's the goat.

[Brian Simpson]

So if you just make all the same moves she make, you'll be good.

[Jamie]

You'Ll make some money. Money, yeah. 100. Especially if you act quick. I'm sure there's a lot of people doing exactly what she does. The moment she does it, I got.

[Brian Simpson]

To get one of those guys and just be like, yeah, put it all on.

[Jamie]

If she makes. Okay, now she's worth 30 million.

[Jamie's Assistant]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Jamie]

What's that?

[Jamie's Assistant]

This is the Pelosi tracker. Oh, there's 4, 7 14, 557 copiers.

[Jamie]

I was gonna say she's worth way more than 30 million. Right.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Invested that much money.

[Jamie]

Isn't she worth like a couple hundred million? I think so, yeah. She's worth a lot.

[Brian Simpson]

She's about to retire there, of course.

[Jamie]

She's got $400 million and she's a million years old. Why is she still working? It's crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Imagine working at that age 82.

[Brian Simpson]

I think that, I think they're addicted to the power. Power you can't, you can't have.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Let's bring up Marjorie Taylor Green's recent stock trades.

[Jamie]

Oh, she's been making some stock trades. Yeah.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Follows everybody, bro.

[Jamie]

They all follow everyone. They all do. They all do.

[Brian Simpson]

I think that's, I think that's. That should be illegal.

[Jamie]

It should be illegal.

[Brian Simpson]

I don't think anyone in the federal government should be able to trade stocks.

[Jamie]

Well, especially with stuff where you have some inside knowledge about a bill that's going to be passed that would be very, very good for some corporation.

[Brian Simpson]

Right? Or, or they all have to invest through like there's like there's a non partisan government agency where they can put all their money, they want to invest, that invests everyone's money in the same thing.

[Jamie]

No, no, no, no. Because you start doing that and then you got more corruption, more room for bureaucracy, more room for. You got too much money flowing around. So they're not going to Be. They're not going to be easy.

[Brian Simpson]

So then what do you say to the argument that they. They should be able to.

[Jamie]

No, no, no. You're insider trading.

[Jamie's Assistant]

But if they just tell people to do it for them, how do you stop that?

[Brian Simpson]

Well, that's what they're supposed to be doing now, but.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yeah, I mean, what's the end?

[Jamie]

That could be. No, that could be a problem. But at least then they could catch you and you can get in trouble. That's how insider trading works. Like. So say if they do that, and they do it, you know, through WhatsApp or something like that, and then the government gets access to your WhatsApp and.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Then they find out you've been trading emails. Thing with the ladies getting emails.

[Jamie]

Stacy. Plastic during it. Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

If it was up to me, it'd be Judge Dredd. Shit. We're like. You get. You get four terms and then they take you out and they just put. They put you out in the desert with nothing. They take all your shit, donate it back to the people, and they just send you out. You were in charge for, you know, however long, and now get the out of here.

[Jamie]

Look, there's no way you make $170,000 a year and you're worth. Let's say she's worth 180 million. I've heard it's a lot more than that. I've heard estimates as high as 400 million, but there's no way a regular person who makes $170,000 a year ever gets there and keeps that $170,000 a year job. Get the fuck out of here. There's not a chance in hell you keep that $170,000 a year job where you're working eight hours a day, every fucking day, and on the side you've racked up 400 million. Well, bitch, that's what you're good at. Imagine if you were doing that all day long while you've been working in the Senate. You would have even more money. Are you crazy? You're wasting all your valuable time and resources doing a job that pays you $170,000 a year. But it has nothing to do with your investments. Why? Why would you even suspect that it has anything to do with the profit that I make from my investment?

[Brian Simpson]

The richest person in Congress.

[Jamie]

She's got to be up there. She can't be. Well, there's probably some billionaires who signed up and won and got into office somewhere. There's probably a lot of them, but.

[Brian Simpson]

They'Re all the thing Is they're all richer when they leave.

[Jamie]

Well, Bloomberg, wasn't he like a multi billionaire when he became the mayor of New York City?

[Brian Simpson]

I'm not. I don't know.

[Jamie]

I think he was. Isn't. Michael. Michael, Bloomberg is crazy rich. I think he was a billionaire while he became mayor because he wanted to fix New York City because he loved it. That's the.

[Brian Simpson]

Did he work?

[Jamie]

No, I was just there. It was nice.

[Jamie's Assistant]

I mean, worth 109 billion estimated.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he's worth a lot of money. Imagine richest person.

[Brian Simpson]

Those sandwiches. Those sandwiches you put up.

[Jamie]

Oh, Giovanni's Italian Deli, bro. But you could barely get your mouth on them. They're like that big. I want him to come out here. I want him to open up a. A deli out here.

[Brian Simpson]

Will he was you. Are you talking to him about it?

[Jamie]

He said he would be interested in doing it. I mean, look, he's a hilarious character. He's a very funny guy. And his food is sensational. And all that gets imported from Italy. So he can import it from Italy.

[Brian Simpson]

All the ingredients.

[Jamie]

Yes, everything is imported from Italy. Or the mortadella, the mozzarella, all that stuff. So he's getting it all from Italy. All the sun, dried peppers, bro. It's sensational.

[Brian Simpson]

I mean, it looks good. I've still never.

[Jamie]

Next time.

[Brian Simpson]

I never had a chance to try it.

[Jamie]

Next time. Next time I go to New York, you're coming with me, right?

[Brian Simpson]

Deal.

[Jamie]

Bro, you. You're gonna feel so bad. The next day, though. Oh, my God. Sunday, I was like, I'm not eating. I'm not eating anymore. I looked like I was pregnant. My stomach was out like that far. I ate so much. Yeah, he gave me a four foot long sandwich. Dude. It was four feet long. I just kept stuffing into my fat face.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, I was getting.

[Jamie]

I ate meatballs. I ate four or five canolies. I ate so much. I should not have gone that deep.

[Brian Simpson]

What, did they cater to the event? Because why do they jump off giant sandwiches?

[Jamie]

He just does it for me. Hey, does like. I've blown him up online. I've blown him up on the podcast. His. His deli's killing it.

[Brian Simpson]

That's a good guy.

[Jamie]

He's a great guy. And I found them just randomly gnr deli in the Bronx. That's how I found them.

[Brian Simpson]

After you left. What do you mean, after you left New York? This is like.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, this is recently. This is like within a couple years. I. I found, you know, because most of the time I eat really clean and Most of the time it's just meat. But when I go off, I go. I like to really go off.

[Brian Simpson]

I've seen you literally, like, eat like a hostage. Like somebody just got released. It's a problem.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I'm a real glutton, man. I. I eat mass. It's not just eating food that I shouldn't be eating. I'll eat a massive amount of it.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. Some good pasta. It's hard to stop.

[Jamie]

I can't stop.

[Brian Simpson]

It's hard to stop.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah. Well, so I ate at this place, Teresi, with my wife on Friday night. That was incredible. It's Italian food. I ate way too much there.

[Brian Simpson]

There.

[Jamie]

Wait. It was insensational. And then the next day, Giovanni shows up with these two giant four foot sandwiches. But I. My rule is when I'm in New York, all bets are off. All that diet shit's out the window. I'm eating for fun. I'm just eating for fun when I'm.

[Brian Simpson]

In New York, my greedy ass. I ate it. I ate it. Dai. Dewey, how you say, oh, daidui on Sunday? And then I. And then I did sushi by scratch last night.

[Jamie]

Oh, my God. Shout out to Jesse Griffin, Jeff. Jesse's the head chef and the owner of Daidui. He's the man.

[Brian Simpson]

Right. I stumbled on in that place and I. I thought I was putting you on. You like, oh, I know that guy. Yeah.

[Jamie]

I found out about that place years ago because he was on my friend Stephen Renell's podcast. And I was like, oh, that guy's so interesting. And so I actually had. I don't know if I had him on my podcast before I ate at his restaurant or after. I don't remember. But then we went to his restaurant like. Like during the pandemic when we first moved here. And it was like, you had to be spread out. We actually ate outside the first time we did it. Cause we couldn't eat inside yet, bro.

[Brian Simpson]

And you know, you know what I. Cause I love. Cause you know, it's great restaurants all over Austin, and I know, I know it's gonna be good whenever the staff is generally happy to be there. Like, you go on Daidu. Everyone fucking loves it there. Especially, like, if you see old people working there.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

You see somebody that, like, you know, that's pushing 50 and they still love and they happy and gingerly that it's, you know, it's gonna be good.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Dai Dua is sensational.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. The thing. And the thing about them is everything is from Texas, there's nothing in there. You can't, like, you can't even get, like, a Diet Coke in there. They don't have anything that ain't from Texas.

[Jamie]

Nothing so good, too. Yeah. And he always has, like, exotic shit on the menu.

[Brian Simpson]

The menu is always changing. But you can always get those. Those pork chops.

[Jamie]

Oh, yes, pork chops. Sensational. Yeah, everything's sensational. Jesse's like, one of the best chefs in the country.

[Brian Simpson]

I've been there enough times now where I know, like, anything you order is.

[Jamie]

Going to be good. Yeah, we are spoiled here, bro.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, big time.

[Jamie]

There's so much good food in Texas and specifically in Austin at the.

[Brian Simpson]

At the medium to high level. The fast food is trash. Like, if you seriously, like, if you. If you're. If it's not a Texas fast food place, it's such a phenomenon to me.

[Jamie]

Like, what's trash?

[Brian Simpson]

Like, everything that's not a Texas. Like, Dan's is great. Whataburger's great. But, like. But, like, Chick fil a is not as good. McDonald's is not as good.

[Jamie]

Chick fil A's not as good.

[Brian Simpson]

Wendy's is terrible.

[Jamie]

I had Chick Fil a like, a month ago. It was amazing.

[Brian Simpson]

No, it's okay. But. But it's. But it's. It's not different. The service is not as. I mean, Chick Fil a tastes the.

[Jamie]

Same everywhere you go inside.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, I'm going inside.

[Jamie]

Drive through thing, man. You want to eat in your car like a pig, but like a disgusting person who hates themselves.

[Brian Simpson]

But Chick fil a might be somewhat of exception, but, like, even in and out. Even in and out here is not as good.

[Jamie]

Were you telling me that Chick fil a has, like, aluminum in it? Were you one of those? That's probably Kurt Meska, I think, was Tony. Yeah, it was Tony. Yeah. He was saying Chick fil a has aluminum in it or something.

[Brian Simpson]

What.

[Jamie]

What does it have in it?

[Jamie's Assistant]

Well, it's.

[Jamie]

What is the controversial ingredient?

[Jamie's Assistant]

It's. I think it's the buns or something, but it's aluminum. It's in a lot of stuff.

[Brian Simpson]

Aluminum. What, though? It's not just alone.

[Jamie]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Jamie's Assistant]

It's not. It's like.

[Jamie]

It's foil. They grind up foil. It makes it thicker.

[Brian Simpson]

But sometimes. Certain names sound scary.

[Jamie]

Right, right, right.

[Brian Simpson]

But it's just. It's something normal.

[Jamie]

Normal.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Right.

[Jamie]

Like vitamin C. Sounds scary. Ascorbic acid. Like, oh, no.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Sodium aluminum phosphate.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Is that a preservative?

[Jamie's Assistant]

I'll look it up.

[Jamie]

Man. Preservatives, that's what's wrong with us. Everything is preserving. Your gut, biome, it's all getting in there, all this bacteria.

[Brian Simpson]

Sodium, aluminum phosphate. Yeah, I don't think that's bad. But also, also I, I've probably eaten so much of whatever that is. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

That's when you think about, like food like that, you're just not supposed to eat it every day. That's all it is. It's really good if you just want to eat it and enjoy. Like, you ever have canes? Those chicken fingers?

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, yeah. Pretty good.

[Jamie]

Pretty. If you just don't do it every day. It's every now and again.

[Brian Simpson]

But again, even canes, even canes is better in other places.

[Jamie]

What are you, a cane's connoisseur?

[Brian Simpson]

No, no, but I'm just, I've eaten. I'm fast food. I've eaten a lot of fast food.

[Jamie]

I've heard that in and out here is not as good.

[Brian Simpson]

In and out here is not as good. Wendy's is not as good.

[Jamie]

Does the in and out here have the same.

[Brian Simpson]

KFC is bad.

[Jamie]

Does it in and out here have the same sort of menu or you can get off menu stuff?

[Brian Simpson]

No, it's the same. It's the same everything except the service sucks and the food is not as. It's just not as consistent. You know what I mean?

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Brian Simpson]

Like, because I've never before being before here, I've never been to it because, you know, like chick fil a in and out. That's a certain standard, especially if you coming from LA.

[Jamie]

But you said McDonald's too.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, the McDonald's here is trash.

[Jamie's Assistant]

It's a food distribution issue.

[Jamie]

Is it?

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yeah. This happened once when McDonald's actually bought like my favorite pizza place from Ohio. They couldn't expand it, right. Because like you couldn't get the same ingredients you get in Ohio, Florida. So you don't like your quality.

[Jamie]

But doesn't McDonald's like send all the ingredients to all their places?

[Jamie's Assistant]

But that means that you don't have one giant McDonald's farm.

[Jamie]

You don't. No, no, that's not how. I mean, we would know where that is, you know. Oh my God. You imagine the slaughter going on at the McDonald's farm. How many cows are losing their life?

[Brian Simpson]

But if I'm going to eat at McDonald's in any city, I. Oh, you can, you can find the good McDonald's like you just Google the good McDonald's in Detroit, whatever. But here there aren't Any. They're all terrible. They're all terrible.

[Jamie]

Interesting. Interesting.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And so it's a food distribution thing.

[Jamie's Assistant]

I'm pretty sure.

[Jamie]

How are they getting bad beef in Texas?

[Jamie's Assistant]

It's not bad beef, but it's just not the same.

[Brian Simpson]

It's not consistent.

[Jamie's Assistant]

It's not the exact same. So the process might not have the same.

[Brian Simpson]

Because the thing is, it's not great food you eat at McDonald's because you know what you're gonna get, right? It tastes just like it does every other time you've had it. But it's not. Cause it's the best. But when it. So when you. When you settle for McDonald's, right? And you. And you just, you know, it's like.

[Jamie]

You have a standard.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. It's like calling your ex. It's like you settle for it. It. And it's not as good. You just like it. No, it's like, it's got to taste like I'm expecting.

[Jamie]

Got it.

[Brian Simpson]

You know, but it's just. It's just off.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Have you ever seen some people argue that restaurants are just who can cook the best Cisco food? So they're all getting it from the same kind of distributor?

[Brian Simpson]

Well, I think most of them are, really, but it's.

[Jamie's Assistant]

I mean, that's really dwindling it down to the base of like, that's not really what everything's happening.

[Brian Simpson]

But yeah, like, I'm pretty sure if you see like Southwest egg rolls, like, it's probably a 50 chance chance that that came from a Cisco freezer.

[Jamie]

You know that Mexican place you turned me on to went under.

[Brian Simpson]

I know.

[Jamie]

That was a bummer.

[Brian Simpson]

I can't believe Boulevard.

[Jamie]

Is that what it's called? No, no, that's how it's called. Boulevard Places. Still.

[Brian Simpson]

I don't even remember what it was called, man, but it was incredible.

[Jamie]

It was so good.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. Maybe they just moved. Maybe I need to look. Look them up because I forget the name of it.

[Jamie]

I don't know, man. I think they went under because they spent a lot of money on that place. Remember the artwork in that place? Yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

Well, the location was not. Because they weren't near any other restaurants.

[Jamie]

It wasn't terrible, though. Wasn't hard to find.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, but it's still off the path of, like, anywhere. Like, if you had to go over there, there was no other reason to go over there. Unless you lived over there.

[Jamie]

But you go over there for a restaurant, like, it seemed like they were packed when I was there. That's what was confused.

[Brian Simpson]

They were. They were but towards the end, it started being less and less.

[Jamie]

That happens, man. People get excited about a new place and it's popping at first, and then it just sort of dies off.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, that's. But that's the first one of a. That's the first time I've seen a great restaurant go wonder that I like.

[Jamie]

I know. And quick.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, it was probably a year.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's a tough business, man. That's a tough business.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. And it was. And that was started by a guy that, like, knew what he was doing.

[Jamie]

That's how tough it is.

[Brian Simpson]

Right. Don't you know the guy?

[Jamie]

I met him.

[Brian Simpson]

No. Okay.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I met him there.

[Brian Simpson]

You know what I wish they would bring here is a bizarre meat.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Simpson]

I mean, it's probably. He probably would go to like a bigger city than Austin maybe, but.

[Jamie]

Well, he's got one in Chicago. He just opened up one in New York.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, really?

[Jamie]

Yeah, we ate the one in Chicago. It was great. Of course, in the new one in Vegas, he's got a new one in Vegas. He moved spots.

[Brian Simpson]

Okay. To a different casino.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Same deal, though. Oh, sensational. Gotta be sensational. Off the chart.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, bro. And they always look out.

[Jamie]

Yeah, they're great.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And Jose Andres came on the podcast. The. The head chef. He was great. Such a nice guy, man. That guy genuine. Like, you want to talk about real charity? That guy genuinely goes to like war torn regions anywhere there's some sort of a natural disaster. And he brings trucks and they start cooking and they feed people for free.

[Brian Simpson]

They feed people. That level of food.

[Jamie]

Yes, his food. His food. He loves helping people. Like genuinely loves helping people and loves cooking for people. People. And, and, and he. He went to Poland and was catching the Ukrainian refugees when they were leaving Ukraine. These people were starving. He set up shop, started feeding them. That's. That's how good a guy is.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah. And he's a master.

[Jamie]

Master chef.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

His restaurants are incredible. He came in here, he's making food for us while we're doing the podcast.

[Brian Simpson]

How, like, he had a hot piece.

[Jamie]

He had a piece of ham. He's cutting off ham. And, and.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, he had like that fancy ass ham.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Bone this, thin sliced. Remember that?

[Brian Simpson]

It comes with like a stand.

[Jamie]

Yeah, man. He gave me a whole leg. I took it home with me.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, It'll last forever.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it lasts forever. It's cured.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, bro.

[Jamie]

It's so good. It's so good.

[Brian Simpson]

Good food's gonna be the downfall of me.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but you could have both.

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah, you Got both.

[Jamie]

You just gotta. You gotta have, like. You ever see the Rocks Cheat meals?

[Brian Simpson]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

On Sundays, the Rock will have these legendary cheat meals. I don't know if he still does it, but he would post them on Instagram. It's like a stack of pancakes, giant chocolate chip cookies.

[Brian Simpson]

The Rock shrunk down now like John did.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Yeah. I think he got too big because he did that movie, the. The movie about Mark Kerr, The Smashing Machine, by the way. It didn't get the love it deserves. It's a really good movie. It's not just an MMA movie. It's a very realistic MMA movie too. It's like, really? He, like, the Rock is Mark Kerr. They even gave him like a forehead thing, like a prosthesis, so he looked more like a Neanderthal, like. Like Mark Her.

[Brian Simpson]

I thought he was gonna get a nomination for that.

[Jamie]

He gained 30 pounds of muscle, wore 22 prosthetics, and trained an M camp to physically transform for his role as Marker. Look what he looked like. Scroll up so you can see what he looked like. Look what he looked like there. That's Mark. That's the actual Mark. And that's the Rock next to him. But that's the Rock, obviously playing Mark when he was younger.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, is Mark Hurston alive?

[Jamie]

Yeah. Yeah. He did my podcast recently. Oh, yeah, man, that Smashing Machine documentary is crazy.

[Brian Simpson]

I thought the Rock was gonna get a nominated for that.

[Jamie]

He should have. He should have. It's re. He did a fantastic job, but nobody watched it. It's one of those. Just slipped under it. If it comes out to streaming, I can't recommend it enough. It's a really good movie. And it's not just an MMA movie. It's like, there's moments in that movie where you get anxiety, like, oh, my God, don't do that. Jesus Christ. What are you doing? It's. It's one of those movies. It's crazy, but he does a phenomenal job. Phenomenal.

[Jamie's Assistant]

He hasn't not been nominated yet. They haven't come out yet.

[Brian Simpson]

Oh, okay.

[Jamie]

Oh, he. Well, he should be for that. I don't think he will get. You know, it's hard. The Academy and a martial arts movie, and it's like, you know, it's for meatheads.

[Brian Simpson]

Jamie, I'm surprised you ain't got no sponsorships with a search app. What do you mean? What you think? You literally known for looking shit up.

[Jamie's Assistant]

Well, they should call me.

[Jamie]

Holla at your boy. Let's wrap this bitch up. Let's get it so tell everybody. Name your special where they can get it.

[Brian Simpson]

Special is Laughing Mothership. You can see it right now streaming on Netflix. You can also watch Don't Tell Thing just came out. And you can come see me on Tour, Brian SimpsonComedy.com and my podcast, BS with Brian Simpson, also on YouTube and all the other streaming platforms.

[Jamie]

And I will see you in a few hours. We're gonna have some fun tonight.

[Brian Simpson]

Let's go.

[Jamie]

All right. Goodbye, everybody.

[Brian Simpson]

Baby.