#2434 - Kurt Metzger

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2434 – Kurt Metzger (January 6, 2026)

Comedian Joe Rogan is joined by fellow comedian and podcaster Kurt Metzger for a wide-ranging, irreverent, and conspiratorial conversation, with frequent appearances by Jamie and a Research Assistant.

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Main Theme / Purpose

This episode is a classic, free-associative JRE sprawl: Rogan and Metzger riff on conspiracy theories, media manipulation, mind control, secret societies, technological advances, the intelligence community's intersection with pop culture, and the persistent weirdness of modern American life. The episode blends historical references, current events, internet culture, and irreverent humor, often veering into bold and controversial territory.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. John Lilly, Ketamine, and Dolphins

• The show opens with banter about John C. Lilly, his iconic "isolation tank," and wild stories involving ketamine experimentation (00:13–01:16).
• Rogan and Jamie recount how Lilly would dose visitors (like Todd McCormick) with ketamine before float tank sessions.
• Metzger riffs on Lilly's "rewind to witness your own conception" ideas, tying them to Tibetan Buddhist afterlife concepts like the "Bardo" (01:21–04:10).

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2. Social Media Manipulation, Influence Bounties, and Narrative Control

• The conversation shifts to propaganda, the “fragmented” American right-wing, and how online engagement is now gamified with bounties for sharing hot topics, often driven by outside funding (02:26–04:37).
• Rogan: "It's not just bots...they're paying people to say things. A lot of people that seem like they're doing it like it's a job." (03:41)
• Discussion of "poly market" networks and outside influence-paying to spin narratives about global events like Israel/Palestine (03:04–05:10).

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3. Bohemian Grove, Secret Societies, and Occult Symbolism

• Metzger brings up Nixon’s infamous slur-filled Bohemian Grove quote and jokes about “bundles of men” and the symbolism of owls, Minerva, and Moloch/Molech (06:46–15:34).
  • Jamie: "Large owl statue... symbol of Minerva, the Roman goddess Wisdom." (13:17)
• Rogan toes the line between mocking and exploring the rituals, discussing ceremonial robes, burning effigies, and their possible psychological functions for elites (15:34–16:09).

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4. Dolphins, Humanization, and Animal Intelligence

• Extended stories about dolphin sexuality, intelligence, and captivity – including the infamous researcher who “jerked off” dolphins for science, and Peter the dolphin’s suicide (16:25–26:25).
• Rogan, quoting a dolphin trainer: "...Flippy then starts circling me fast with his dick out, hooking my leg and dragging me into deep water as he's doing it. It literally looks like the scene in Jaws..." (24:44)
• The evolutionary and ethical conundrums of keeping intelligent animals in captivity, and what their behaviors reveal about human projection onto animals (25:13–26:50).

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5. Historical Memory, Propaganda, and Public School Indoctrination

• Metzger draws a direct line between state-driven indoctrination (Prussian “Kindergarten”) and public acceptance of mass violence, touching on convergence of branding, memory, and social engineering (48:20–49:13).
• Jamie: "Indoctrination of children is a real thing. That's why when people scoff at it being used for like trans indoctrination... people try to indoctrinate you with everything." (48:52)

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6. Modern Art as CIA Psy-Op & Oligarch Games

• The hosts discuss how abstract expressionism and key artists like Rothko and Pollock were allegedly boosted by the CIA to counter Soviet art, describing the modern art market as "baseball cards for the ultra-wealthy" and potential vehicles for money laundering (49:47–52:05).
• Jamie: "Shut the fuck up. It's splatter." (50:12)

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7. Hidden Wealth, Oligarchy, and Trillionaire Families

• They speculate on how the world’s true richest people aren’t on Forbes lists, and how massive royal family wealth is hidden via oil and real estate around the world (52:49–54:09).
• Rogan: "Do you think you get to know who that is? You think they're gonna tell you in Forbes?" (53:18)

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8. Antarctica, Neutrinos, and Directed Energy

• Metzger plugs Eric Hecker’s claims about Raytheon's "IceCube" neutrino detector being a directed energy weapon, and the possibility of weather manipulation treaties and technologies (54:09–56:44).

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9. Geoengineering, Cloud Seeding, and the Climate Change Debate

• Discussion about UAE's use of cloud seeding vs. natural rain vs. climate change. They mock Bill Gates' previous remarks on tree-planting and express skepticism about mainstream climate science and global warming narratives (60:01–62:13, 86:17–89:27).
• Rogan: "They've been lying to you for how long about that bullshit?" (60:13)
• Jamie: "But they absolutely do do that. Cloud seeding is widely used in the UAE..." (61:03)

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10. AI, Mind Control, and Occult Technology

• Extended riff on the threats and mythologization of AI, from “Jesus AI” to plasma-based consciousness uploading, to real government mind-control tech (99:59–102:13).
• Rogan: "Why would I not learn that in school...plasma makes up 99% or more of the visible ordinary matter in the universe. Whoa." (100:08)

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11. Conspiracy Culture, Assassinations & Political Intrigue

• They detour through recent high-profile shootings, suggesting some may be Manchurian Candidate/MKUltra-style mind control assassinations; Rogan is highly skeptical of lone-wolf narratives (121:02–130:10).
• Jamie: "Why do some people not want to even consider the idea that someone was assassinated at the behest of powerful people?"
• Metzger: "Because they're programmed not to... That's why it's called programming. And it works." (130:29–130:33)

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12. Monarch Programming, Generational Trauma, and Cults

• Explains how trauma, especially child sexual abuse or cult rituals, is used for long-term conditioning—tying in recent crime cases, Moonies, and references to Project Monarch (131:43–134:30).
• Jamie: "The idea is that sexual trauma allows them to... shut off their past." (153:41)

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13. Pop Culture and Esoteric Symbolism

• The pair link occult themes to Dracula, Nosferatu, Stranger Things, and even real American oligarch families (like the Collinses, as in "Dark Shadows"), speculating on ancient and modern practices of bloodlines, mind control, and secret societies (149:31–152:37).
• Rogan: "All the cults, man. All of them think they're the chosen ones." (98:35)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "You can always tell who's getting paid to say the thing because they'll use...Like, I just got paid to say that." – Rogan & Jamie, joking about ad reads and bounties (04:14–04:20)
• "The club's values are...so whenever they say wisdom, that means magic shit." – Rogan, discussing Bohemian Grove symbolism (13:25)
• "What if we had him on for a podcast? Would you let him fart in your face for money?" – Jamie, on 'Penelope Christ', the hypothetical nostril-fart-healing preacher (37:32–39:05)
• "If you want to indoctrinate people, why not in a music video?" – Rogan, linking pop culture and manipulation (around 49:13)
• "These are like baseball cards for rich people." – Jamie, on high-priced abstract art (52:41)
• "Do you think you know who the richest man in the world is? They're not gonna put that in Forbes." – Rogan (53:18)
• "All that stupid occult shit, you know..." – Rogan, referencing NLP and domain projection (44:03–44:13)
• "Modern art was launched by the CIA." – Rogan (49:47)
• "They're atheists, but do you know what they believe in the future? An AI is God." – Metzger on the Collins family (141:42)
• "There's low birth rates everywhere; every country was involved in their own soft kill to ease their population. That's what I think happened...the one that hit us wasn't from Wuhan, it was from Raleigh." – Metzger on COVID and population control (147:47–148:19)
• "Monarch is the MK Ultra continuation...if you ever wonder what was inside of Mount Shasta, it ain't the Lemurians." – Metzger on conspiracy folklore (133:00–133:10)

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Key Timestamps by Topic

• Isolation tanks, John Lilly, dolphin science: 00:13–01:13
• Social media manipulation/bounty networks: 02:26–04:37
• Bohemian Grove, Secret Societies: 06:46–16:09
• Dolphin behavior/animal intelligence: 16:25–26:50
• Public school indoctrination: 48:20–49:13
• Modern art, CIA, laundering: 49:47–52:41
• Hidden oligarch wealth: 52:49–54:09
• Antarctica, neutrino detectors: 54:09–56:44
• Geoengineering, climate skepticism: 60:01–62:13, 86:17–89:27
• Plasma, AI, consciousness uploading: 99:59–102:13
• Political assassinations, MKUltra: 121:02–130:10
• Generational trauma/Monarch programming: 131:43–134:30
• Pop culture/occult symbolism: 149:31–152:37

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Tone & Style

• Irreverent, tangential, skeptical: The conversation embodies classic JRE energy—bold, gossipy, peppered with "did you know" claims, ridiculing elites and mainstream narratives.
• Controversial and unfiltered: Frequent use of politically incorrect language, taboo topics, and in-jokes; the hosts question or reject mainstream explanations, instead proposing alternative, conspiratorial interpretations.
• Humorous and self-aware: Despite frequent dives into very dark material, the conversation is laced with jokes, cultural references, and a consistent "don't take us too seriously" undercurrent.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a heady, raucous marathon of conspiracy lore, media critique, and philosophical speculation peppered with comedy and skepticism about almost every authoritative narrative. If you're interested in the intersection between internet culture, conspiracy thinking, pop occultism, and society’s ongoing information war—served with a big helping of humor—this is classic JRE.

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Note:
This summary omits ads, intro/outro, and digressive housekeeping. All quotes and timestamps represent highlights of the actual dialogue, maintaining the candid and edgy tone of Rogan and Metzger’s on-air chemistry.

Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[Jamie]

Feel good.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's try to get a John Lee picture. It's John Lilly Awareness Day.

[Jamie]

Is the Carhartt. No specific time period appropriate?

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's. It's supposed to be like a boiler suit, but it didn't arrive.

[Jamie]

What is a boiler suit?

[Joe Rogan]

Like a coverall.

[Jamie]

Oh, like something would wear in the boiler room.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but the best kind to get. I would have done a mashup. Now, see here, he's got kind of a pleather jumpsuit. He's got a lot of great looks.

[Jamie]

That guy was out there.

[Joe Rogan]

Two diamond studs. Take off my John C. Lilly glasses. Oh, yeah. He invented the isolation goon tank.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You go in there and go. And it's like, you're in space, dude.

[Jamie]

My friend actually went in his tank and did ketamine with him before he went in his tank.

[Joe Rogan]

Who?

[Jamie]

Todd McCormick.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, what happened?

[Jamie]

He. John Lilly shot him up with an intramuscular shot of ketamine before he went into the tank. He's like, this is what I do. You want to do it? He's like, okay, sure.

[Joe Rogan]

John Lee's like, hey, do you want to watch my parents fucking? To conceive me? I like to do that in this day.

[Jamie]

Let's go back in time.

[Joe Rogan]

I like to go into the fucking. What do they call that Buddhist thing where you go and your parents.

[Jamie]

Is that a real thing?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you know, the. In this. I forget the afterlife, their whole mapping the afterlife thing.

[Jamie]

But can they do it, like with meditation or something? Is that what you're saying?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but they say if you could.

[Jamie]

Choose to do that. What if you could go back in time and watch something, but only one thing, and that thing is your parents. You could be back in 1976 or whenever it was you were born.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what. So what do I get out of that?

[Jamie]

Nothing.

[Joe Rogan]

Just a research. Valuable research.

[Jamie]

You only get one trip back in time. Everybody gets a trip back in time to see what it's like. But that's the only thing you get to say.

[Joe Rogan]

It sounds like Tibetan Buddhism, what you're describing to me. Pretty sure that's what really call it when you go the place you go to watch your parents fuck. Jamie, aren't you a Buddhist? The bodak is not called that. How you like that? Nicki Minaj, huh? Really?

[Jamie]

What about her?

[Joe Rogan]

Do you watch? We've been covering TPUSA all week.

[Jamie]

Okay, you're deep in the woods. I'm not. I stay out of that.

[Joe Rogan]

If it seems like it's such.

[Jamie]

It's so great because it seems like that the. The. The right wing of this country is in some sort of a weird gang war.

[Joe Rogan]

There never was a fucking United right wing. It was a bunch of people needing some shit done that didn't get done, and now they're upset about it. And so the thought. So. Because here's the thing.

[Jamie]

It's a bunch of people scrambling to be in control of the narrative too.

[Joe Rogan]

The poly market dudes have some network. There's also like, the show I sold called the Cutout. They do these cutout things where it's like you pay a company to put up. Remember when Elon showed what countries all the tweets are coming from?

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, why the fuck are Indians and Sri Lankans tweeting about Israel, Palestine, Shit. Right? Well, it's because there's these bounties they put up and you can get invited to like a circle. Remember when you would show me those things, people would get of like, hey, say this shit and we'll give you this money. Now there's a bounty system. It's on Jimmy's channel. It's amazing. So all these. So a bunch of people that I. I watch them just like, flip and say a thing, like it's their job to say it. It was their job, but they're trying to hit a certain amount of engagement and then you get like 50 grand. I. I can't remember the name of the guy that. That pointed out, but it's really good work. Ah, I should have looked up.

[Jamie]

So it's not just bots.

[Joe Rogan]

The Bardo.

[Jamie]

Bardo of becoming a Tibetan teaching. After death, consciousness passes through several bardos, culminating in the Bardo of becoming, where karmic visions of one's next life arise. During this phase, there are increasingly frequent flashes of the environment, parents and circumstances in which one will be conceived. And one is drawn towards these as a kind of refuge or new home. That's interesting, but not as interesting as the influencers.

[Research Assistant]

Thank you, Perplexity.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, thank you to our sponsor, Perplexity.

[Joe Rogan]

You can always tell who's getting paid to say the thing because they'll use.

[Jamie]

Like, I just got paid to say that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it sounds like a fair. I thought it was very interesting and informative and I'd like to learn, if.

[Jamie]

You have a brochure, how many people are doing that. This is the thing. The conversation's always been like, other countries are doing it. And then they have bots and fake accounts, which is definitely true as well.

[Joe Rogan]

But.

[Jamie]

But it seems like also they're paying people to say things. Yeah, well, there's a lot of people that seem like they're doing it like it's a job.

[Joe Rogan]

Me assuming someone either is blackmailed or MKUltra is me being kind of positive because really a lot of these people are just sacks of shit that are going for a bounty. So if you were MK Ultra, that's like kind of cooler than that, I think.

[Jamie]

And you think some of them can just sort of justify that bounty, you know, whatever country's paying it, you know, hey, you know, they have their own specific.

[Joe Rogan]

It's specific like billionaires and shit paying it.

[Jamie]

And it works both ways, I'm sure.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sure a lot of ways. With what?

[Jamie]

Anti Israel stuff. People being paid a bounty. Don't you think? Don't think. Like there's. There's certain people involved in that as well that are probably being paid.

[Joe Rogan]

It's from all around. That crime that got done in Gaza and they're done now. Somebody could relax. They got. They got it done. Yeah. Oh yeah, it's done. So watch Norman Finkelstein, he'll explain it to you. But so that crime, that's done. Now the reason that the frantic buying up of the media by Larry the Shadow president Larry Ellison is because they lost the next generation of trauma controlled fucking mind slaves. Because on TikTok, these psychopaths bragged about crimes they did to people. And all the young zoomies are on there, including in America. We were force fed woke bullshit by the oligarchs who are now suddenly horrified because they didn't think it would blow back, that their kids would absorb that crap. Guess who has not had WOKE programming for the last 12 years? Israel. So you can tell who's involved with the propaganda now because they have no concept of the sensitivities of these gender blobs that were made in this country. So now they lost the next generation. So now they're frantically buying TikTok, they're putting Barry Weiss in charge of fucking. That's gonna work out great. I'll bet she's already out, based on the town hall alone, that we covered. One of the worst things I've ever seen.

[Jamie]

I didn't see it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you're lucky. But we cover it all.

[Jamie]

I'm trying to stay out of most of this stuff because every time I talk to you I get dragged in and I get paranoid and anxiety.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah, no, you could be killed. I mean, so what happened to Charlie Kirk? Oh, no. You easily could be killed. And, you know. Yeah, I don't know.

[Jamie]

Does Jimmy worry about that?

[Joe Rogan]

Jimmy got his phone hacked with Pegasus that time. Yeah, he got. The Bohemian Grove thing is hilarious.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because he. It's so funny because he. You could tell he's one of 12 kids because he feels left out of shit still, in a way, with things. And it's like, why that day? I'm like, well, you got an opportunity. And then you brought that Nixon joke about Bohemian Grove. You know, the Nixon quote?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He goes, you heard it. You heard that quote, right? And they go, no, they'd not heard it.

[Jamie]

They not come on.

[Joe Rogan]

And he said it. Then they didn't laugh. Nobody left.

[Jamie]

Let's play the recording of Nixon saying it because it's even funnier. Hey, we're back. Hey, we've got an issue.

[Joe Rogan]

What happened?

[Jamie]

Two podcasts in a row. The podcast, yeah, we got. We got a software glitch. What were we just talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, sweet.

[Jamie]

Audio in his own voice. The faggiest damn thing I've ever seen.

[Joe Rogan]

From time to time, I've been there. The San Francisco crowd.

[Jamie]

So I think there's always been places where dudes go to get their freak on. The lost Nixon tapes. Here it is. During discussion with Hadelman and Kissinger about. Whoops. About youth conference. Annual youth conference. The subject turned to homosexuality and society.

[Joe Rogan]

As it always does.

[Jamie]

Give it. You just give me some of this.

[Research Assistant]

I'll make sure it's the right one, though. I don't know if it is.

[Jamie]

I mean, gays are born that way. No, this seems different, Grove.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Oh, well, Nixon was progressive. Gays are born.

[Joe Rogan]

A real lady goo. God.

[Jamie]

You know, the whole Nixon getting booted from the White House story, right? You know, water gate story.

[Joe Rogan]

Ass Bob Woodward. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Oh, my God. How crazy is that?

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Your neighbor, Naval intel, and your first big break is the Watergate.

[Jamie]

How crazy is that story? It's a complete story.

[Joe Rogan]

It's the template for all of the media. For how long.

[Jamie]

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[Joe Rogan]

Dude, here it is. Yeah, President, It wasn't.

[Jamie]

It's just terrible.

[Joe Rogan]

Now. Guess what?

[Jamie]

From time to time, this is that quote. It's the most faggy goddamn thing you could ever imagine.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's funny. Sir Cecil Rhodes, he kept saying he wanted to make bundles of men. You know, like a bundle of sticks of men in his round tables. You know, a bundle of sticks is of course A faggot. That's not the slur. But the goal of Cesar was to create secret faggots around the world.

[Jamie]

Secret ones?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Bundles of men. Fraternal organizations. The names don't matter if you're dumb. Group whatever. Everybody's in a stupid fucking. The Knights of the Order of some Gay shit. Right.

[Jamie]

Skull and Bones.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And look, when he's saying the f slur like that, I don't think he just means a little bit of man on man action. I think he's talking about the ceremonies. Dress up.

[Jamie]

Oh yeah, the dress up. The whole Renaissance fair thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, like the owl thing. Like. Never mind. Anything you heard, they did. Okay, that's just nonsense talk. But just the things, you know.

[Jamie]

They did the video that.

[Joe Rogan]

Why are they doing that?

[Jamie]

The video that Alex Jones got is. And he did it by the way. Back with John Ronson. Back when Alex Jones.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

So Alex Jones and John Ronson sneak into Bohemian Grove. Alex Jones filmed them. Everybody was like he's crazy. He's a kook. He's filming them doing this wacky ceremony in front of Molech the owl. God. God.

[Joe Rogan]

No. Well, it's not Molec.

[Jamie]

It isn't?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jamie]

What is the owl?

[Joe Rogan]

It's. I mean first of all, from what I understand, Molech is a type of sacrifice usually to baal, which is like a rich man, you know.

[Jamie]

Well, I thought that owl, the big owl.

[Joe Rogan]

It was not Molec at.

[Jamie]

Oh, which one's out? Molech.

[Joe Rogan]

I've heard the owls called Care like that Cremation of Care. There's. But it's supposed to be the Artemis owl is from what I understand. Or Athena. Athena. Artemis. The same thing.

[Jamie]

Doesn't have a specific names, but it's a symbol of Minerva, the Roman goddess Wisdom. Representing the club's values. That's what they say.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, the club's values are. So whenever they say wisdom, that means magic. Shit.

[Jamie]

See an image of what that. That statue. Large owl statue looks like.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they make a big deal about misidentifying it as Moloch.

[Jamie]

Man, that is weird as. Okay, so what. What does Moloch look like? Just pull that up. Let's find out what Molech looks like.

[Joe Rogan]

I think, I think now they no longer think Moloch was an actual God and they think it was a type of sacrifice.

[Jamie]

An ancient Christian. Oh, so Moloch is like a bull.

[Joe Rogan]

That's baal. I mean, well, there's a bunch of bales. There's baal Haddad, Bail Aman.

[Jamie]

Okay, but which is Is Molech and BAAL connected? Because there were all these Molech pictures.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so the sacrifice itself, from what I understand, and you probably somebody on that could correct it, but at this point they kind of think because it only says MLK in the original writing. So it's a type of sacrifice to the bull God, you understand?

[Jamie]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

It's a Molec sacrifice. So you get material gain for your firstborn. Like that's a molec.

[Jamie]

Oh, God, look at this one.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that's what it is.

[Jamie]

Look at this one. The statue of men that's stuffed with men.

[Joe Rogan]

What's the big deal? We do that. People do that. Burning Man. We commemorate it. You can't rich old fruits have a Burning man of their own.

[Jamie]

They already do. It's called Burning Man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's called just blowing people up.

[Jamie]

Canonite deity associated with, in biblical sources with the practice of child sacrifice. It derives from combining the consonants of the Hebrew Melek king and the vowels Boshet Shame, the later often being used in the Old Testament as a variant name for the popular God baal. So maybe they're calling it. Was he calling it Molec? Because that's how Alex Jones is referring it to it. Was it because it was a child sacrifice?

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe. And also, keep in mind, just because they. It's an owl. Whatever. People that do goofy pagan shit, you gotta think of it like Diddy changing his name every time he does a crime.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

That's how these gods work. So it'll be like, no, his name's not that. It's this other thing. And you're like, wait, that they're both. And so you can mix and match them. It's called alchemy. You could. You could grind them in their constituents and mix and match them all kinds of great ways.

[Jamie]

That being said, they're doing something weird. They're wearing robes, they're chanting and they're. They're carrying a bundle of sticks that's supposed to like represent a body or something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

And then they're going to burning in effigy.

[Jamie]

The whole thing is fucking bizarre. If somebody invited me to that and then that's what we went and did, I would never hang out with them again. I'd be like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[Joe Rogan]

What if you have to make a decision to be a fucking mass murderer on the order of any mass murder they told you is bad? And so you need to cremate your.

[Jamie]

Care or you want to sell natural gas and get that pipeline opened up?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, and I Want to burn my dull care about the bad things I'm doing away because I can't not do it. I'll be kidding.

[Jamie]

Also, you want to be compromised because that's how you do business.

[Joe Rogan]

That's how I do business. That's how I met my dolphin wife. Show Shauna Rothman. I know she looks young, but she's of age.

[Jamie]

My favorite part about the Lily story is the experiments that the lady was doing with the dolphins when she was living in the house with them, and she had to jerk them off. Otherwise they wouldn't pay attention. And people found out about it, and they shut the science down.

[Joe Rogan]

It made them more com. It made the dolphin more Peter. He had a name show. It's Peter the dolphin. And he took his own life.

[Jamie]

After he took his own life, Peter.

[Joe Rogan]

The dolphin killed himself.

[Jamie]

How did he do that?

[Joe Rogan]

I had. It's really dumb and obvious, but I didn't guess what it was.

[Jamie]

Did he just inhale all the water?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he just drowned himself. I thought he, like, jumped out of the water. It's like a big fan or something. I couldn't figure out how they do it, but, yeah, he's tied C4 to.

[Jamie]

Himself and just flipped over into the crowd.

[Joe Rogan]

Bruce is telling me about all the. How they would drain dolphin jihadis to blow up.

[Jamie]

Oh, we had dolphin jihadis.

[Joe Rogan]

We drained dolphin jihadis.

[Jamie]

We had dolphin kamikazes. We took dolphins wake. We love you. Hey, I'm gonna just give you a little collar.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, let me tell you.

[Jamie]

Find the Russians.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me tell you if you want to demoralize, because I did. I texted you some real dolphin info.

[Jamie]

You did? Well, the thing is, when you text me, you text me so much, I can't read at all. It's not possible.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's good, because this is gonna be a real treat for you to hear.

[Jamie]

I like how you're still going with the old school white background on your texts.

[Joe Rogan]

Why? Do you think I should change it?

[Jamie]

No, no.

[Joe Rogan]

All right.

[Jamie]

Bu.

[Joe Rogan]

Is there a bad background? Okay. So, you know, they always say dolphins are a little amorous is the term they use in dolphin handling.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm allowed to talk about this as long as I change the name of the person and the dolphin. I was told.

[Jamie]

Oh, you told me. Oh, you did send me that. That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Because I was like, you know, they always say dolphins are.

[Jamie]

Yeah, don't say your friend's name, but tell the story because it's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Like, I always feel like they're smearing dolphins like how to a great man, Saddam Hussein. Remember, we smeared that guy and he was the best president of Iraq they've ever had.

[Jamie]

What about Gaddafi?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't even want to bring that one up because that's really depressing.

[Jamie]

That's a crazy one.

[Joe Rogan]

The most prosperous country in all of Africa.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Screwed up three other countries when. Unreal.

[Jamie]

Yeah. There's a great clip of Russell Crowe explaining all the things Gaddafi did on this podcast. Explaining how we're supposed to think Gaddafi's the bad guy.

[Joe Rogan]

But he's right. He's exactly right. Russell Crowe was dead on with that.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, 100%.

[Joe Rogan]

So I'm like, maybe dolphins are just another Gaddafi.

[Jamie]

Gaddafi gave everyone free education. Everyone, when they reached a certain age, got a home. If you had a specific skill, they would send you to another university and pay for it wherever they had to send.

[Joe Rogan]

Authoritarian.

[Jamie]

Well, that too, but so are we.

[Joe Rogan]

Shut the fuck up.

[Jamie]

Shut the fuck up. It's all pretend.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I hate to bring it up, but ISIS is in charge of Syria now, even while morons will tell you ISIS is attacking Christians in Nigeria. Listen, is everybody retarded?

[Jamie]

You're always a glass half empty. At least Netanyahu got a pardon.

[Joe Rogan]

Did he? From who? Trump.

[Jamie]

Trump?

[Joe Rogan]

How could Trump pardon Netanyahu for. Well, how does that work?

[Jamie]

I don't know. You asked me.

[Joe Rogan]

You okay?

[Jamie]

Someone should cue the America fuck yeah music right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, we're bombing Venezuela too, by the way.

[Jamie]

Just. Hey, hey, dude. No disinformation. Drone bombing.

[Joe Rogan]

We're not even there. No, no, we got ground. We reported yesterday. We got ground, people.

[Jamie]

Oh, really? Netanyahu says Trump is non Israeli to receive Israel prize. Oh, Trump got a prize. The first non Israeli announces. Trump will be the first non Israeli to receive Israel prize for tremendous contributions.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, they should give him a fucking prize.

[Jamie]

You gotta make deals. You wanna make omelets, you gotta crack a few eggs.

[Joe Rogan]

There's no, I'm not the prize.

[Jamie]

Nobody gets it. There's really. I want to be the first.

[Joe Rogan]

There's no omelet ever coming.

[Jamie]

Whenever someone says, what did he pardon Netanyahu for? I didn't know that Netanyahu was in trouble.

[Joe Rogan]

I was about to be overthrown before October 7th happened and they tragically let.

[Jamie]

That go, but right here.

[Joe Rogan]

But what are we pardon him for here then?

[Jamie]

That's what I'm saying. Oh, that's right, that's what I'm saying.

[Joe Rogan]

I wonder if there's anything in it. Blacked out in the Epstein thing, didn't well, that's a real insult, huh?

[Research Assistant]

This is. Now the pardon has been. They're disputing it.

[Jamie]

Oh, they're arguing already.

[Research Assistant]

Israel's president denies telling Trump a Netanyahu pardon is, quote, on its way.

[Joe Rogan]

But he's not an American citizen, is he?

[Jamie]

Wait a minute. Hold on a second. Say that again. Say this statement again. Israel's president denies telling Trump a Netanyahu pardon is on his way. So what does that mean? So Netanyahu denies saying that to Trump is what it sounds like. Doesn't it sound like that?

[Research Assistant]

Isaac Herzog.

[Jamie]

Oh, Isaac Herzog. Well, wait a minute. Oh, the prime minister. So they have prime minister and a president. Okay. I'm so ignorant. Swiftly denied President Trump's claim on Monday that he had told US President he would pardon Prime Minister Betanya Benjamin Netanyahu. He's into. What is that saying? I think he will. Trump said when asked if Netanyahu would get a pardon. How do you not. He's a wartime prime minister who's a hero. How do you not give a pardon?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow. He's going to pull his ass out of the fryer, too.

[Jamie]

I think what he's saying is that he would get a pardon from the president of Israel. That's what I think he's saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Okay, so this is why it's confusing.

[Joe Rogan]

Half of Israel hates that, by the way. Okay. And he was about to be overthrown.

[Jamie]

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[Jamie]

Well, there were certainly large protests in the street the day before October 7th happened. Is it true that there was a stand down on October 7?

[Joe Rogan]

The IDF people were talking about the day. It's on Jimmy show going, I'm asking you.

[Jamie]

So the people that don't know what.

[Joe Rogan]

The fuck we're talking, they won't believe me. They'll say, John Lilly's a liar.

[Jamie]

Why don't you say it?

[Joe Rogan]

They'll say, John Lilly's a dolphin liar.

[Jamie]

No, no, no. They wouldn't say that. They wouldn't say that. What are you looking up?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, because I. We got into this because I was going to tell you the truth about dolphins.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

A dolphin, like a Netanyahu, like fish, mammal.

[Jamie]

Oh, the dolphin experience.

[Joe Rogan]

Because this is gonna. This is like. Yeah, this is more important things that a measly genocide in the. Okay, okay. So I asked if they're just smearing dolphins.

[Jamie]

Right, Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So she said what they say about dolphin rape? It's true. All caps. They are very sexual animals and even masturbate. Young males can get very horny and it's like they go into a trance for some reason. They like knees. So I was doing a program with a very nice family and I saw Flippy, name changed, drop to the lady's knees and start buzzing on them. That's echolocation. Say groom your knees with their echolocation abilities.

[Jamie]

Whoa.

[Joe Rogan]

So I'm like, fucking great. That's all caps. So I follow protocol and put myself in between the dolphin and the guests and ask them to get out of the water. So. So you understand there's a protocol in place for when Flippy starts echolocating your knees. Okay.

[Jamie]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Flippy then starts circling me fast with his dick out, hooking my leg and dragging me into deep water as he's doing it. It literally looks like the scene in Jaws where the shark's hitting the girl. She's like whipping around and she's jerking around and you can't see what's happening under the water. Obviously I'm fucking terrified. And I'm trying to play it off to the guests like everything is fine. So I'm laughing and saying, you know how dogs get a lot a little rough when they play?

[Jamie]

That's what she's saying to the guests.

[Joe Rogan]

She's whipping, like jaws. Like what? It's like a dog. Okay. That's protocol, by the way. So I guess good work. Then my shoes come off and start floating. And the guests try to get back in the water to get my shoes for me, and I yell, no. I managed to get away and walk out. Only mental scars. Thank God. All cabs. Yeah, I was wearing a wet. Thank God I was wearing a wetsuit. I would have felt that slimy dick hooking my legs. It's like a Japanese anime hanging out with dolphins.

[Jamie]

But you know what? But look, it's. It's terrible, but they're prisoners and they didn't do anything wrong. That's what's weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, no core, wicked victim. That's what I. John C. Lilly.

[Jamie]

They're just dolphins. Why are they in prison?

[Joe Rogan]

They're a lot like, they just got unlucky.

[Jamie]

They're basically dolphin slaves.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're kind of like the dogs of the sea, I think. I don't think they're like human intelligence. Sounds like they're like they have a.

[Jamie]

Cerebral cortex that's 40 larger than a human beings. They have language. Dialects. We don't even understand what their language is, but they can understand ours. Like they can learn things and.

[Joe Rogan]

Look, I'm trying to defend dolphins from the rape charges here. If you want to.

[Jamie]

I see what you say.

[Joe Rogan]

It's there.

[Jamie]

I think. Well, do you know what else they do that's really awful? Yeah, they kill the babies.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

There's infantricide in dolphins is really common to the point that it makes dolphin females promiscuous because the female tries to mate with as many men as possible so that the men won't kill her babies.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh.

[Jamie]

Because they don't know if it's theirs.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a real 60s animal. You know, they do things their own way.

[Jamie]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, man, you don't get dolphins.

[Jamie]

They just don't change their environment. So we don't think of them as intelligent, but they're smart as well.

[Joe Rogan]

You know the thing of pushing people on the shore that are, like, drowning?

[Jamie]

That's.

[Joe Rogan]

No, they will, but it's not like they're saving you. It's like, why don't you get your trash out of my space, please? Y' all don't want sharks here. Take your back.

[Jamie]

Who was it that had that theory about sharks? And I think he's right. What he was like, sharks are not. Not just targeting people because they're hungry. They're targeting people because they're pissed off that people in their water and they're getting in the way of their fishing. Yeah, they're getting in the way of their eating seals.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah, they're pissed off they're not supposed to be there. So they just bite you. Like, get the out of here. That's part of it.

[Joe Rogan]

A little nibble from a shark is probably a real strong message.

[Jamie]

They just lost a lady in Santa Cruz. Triathlete. She was with a whole group of people that were swimming, and someone saw her get taken. Someone saw this shark breach the water with a human body in their mouth. And then she was gone. And then they just found her remains yesterday. But Santa Cruz, like, that whole coastline is filled with great whites. There's great whites all over the place out there. I think they breed outside of San Francisco.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I never surf, so I never fucking that. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Like swimming in the ocean and rolling the dice that a monster doesn't decide to just snap you in half.

[Joe Rogan]

I just. The worst way to get grabbed. I just like it. Not in your environment.

[Jamie]

It must be so terrible. You're so weak and slow there in the ocean. You're so helpless.

[Joe Rogan]

But you know what? Let's see a shark. Take me up here. I bet I could take him.

[Jamie]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Not so tough.

[Jamie]

Zero shark attacks on the shore. Remember that Saturday Night Live sketch? Land shark? That was hilarious. It was so stupid. The shark would just knock on your door. It was so silly. Saturday Night Live used to have some great sketches, man. Used to be so silly. I haven't watched it in forever.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I could wish I could find is. And you can't get it. It's like, not up anywhere. But the one with Norm MacDonald is. Who's the most grizzled? It was Norm MacDonald, that country singer that Tom Segura always says serial killer. Who was very good in the sketch.

[Jamie]

Garth Brooks.

[Joe Rogan]

Garth Brooks. And it was like. He's like. And Robert Duvall. Okay. And it was just like a game show. And they have you give grizzled answers. It was funny as shit, dude.

[Jamie]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

That's funny.

[Joe Rogan]

And Robert Duvall gave the most grizzled. Oh, you found it.

[Jamie]

This is a real show.

[Joe Rogan]

Yo. This is one of my favorite. Huh? Wow. I was trying to find it not even that long ago.

[Jamie]

Dude, let me hear some of this. Can I hear it? That's great.

[Joe Rogan]

That's on Reddit Okay. I could never find it.

[Jamie]

That's very funny. That's a good sketch.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what? What's his name again? Garth Brooks.

[Jamie]

Garth Brooks.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's a man of a million faces.

[Jamie]

That's not Garth Brooks.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it was Garth Brooks. No. Am I wrong? That was Garth Brooks and Robert. Nah.

[Jamie]

Was it?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it was Garth Brooks.

[Jamie]

Was it really? Garth Brooks in makeup?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that was Garth Brooks. Yeah. You don't recognize him?

[Jamie]

That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't recognize you all.

[Jamie]

Let me see. Let me see that again. Maybe that's how he kills people. He dresses up like that dude. That does not look like Garth Brooks. That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It was a while ago.

[Jamie]

He's kind of bigger now. He's been enjoying that good life. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Do you know people are repeating Tom's idea, that joke about Garth Brooks being a serial killer, as if it's, like, true fact.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, it's. It is one of the weirdest thing, but I. I would say don't focus too much on one person having an alter ego, but Nicki Minaj has that.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but the Chris Gaines thing was nuts. In the middle of being the biggest superstar in country music, he decides he's going to be emoji and wear a wig.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I remember.

[Jamie]

Change his name and let everybody know he's doing it. It's just at least Stephen King, when he wrote his, like, Richard the Bachmann books. Yeah, at least he just. Just said, listen, I'm writing too many books for people to buy. I'm gonna write them under a different name. That's how crazy was it? That's what cocaine will do to you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yes, it will.

[Jamie]

Those are the good days.

[Joe Rogan]

So I sent this to whatever I was looking up. So. Have you ever heard when Nicki Minaj would talk about there, he just fucking.

[Jamie]

Fixated on Nicki Minaj?

[Joe Rogan]

No, because of the alter ego thing.

[Jamie]

Oh, she's got an alter ego.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me raise my skeleton. Yeah. His name, Roman. Roman is a crazy boy who lives inside me, who says the things she doesn't want to say. He threatens the people and he's violent. I asked him to leave, but he can't.

[Jamie]

Whoa.

[Joe Rogan]

She also notes he was born just a few months ago and born out of rage is, like, in 2010. His last name is Zolansky.

[Jamie]

Angry, outspoken, often homosexual British character who delivers raw, aggressive verses. Featured heavily in Pink Friday, Roman Reloaded.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Then the Harajuku Barbie, which is the dolphin.

[Jamie]

Hold up. So these are her alter Egos.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. No, but don't worry, they didn't do MK Monarch.

[Jamie]

Go, go up to the top again. This is Nicki Minaj. Okay. Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Famously uses several alter alter egos, with her most prominent being Roman Zalansky, a fiery aggressive Persona used for intense rap verses. And Harajuku Barbie, her softer pop oriented side. But others include Martha Zalansky, Roman's mother, Zalin Zalanski, Chun Lee, Nick Lewinsky and Cookie, each serving a different voice or purpose from therapy to explosive lyrical delivery.

[Joe Rogan]

Huh.

[Jamie]

I mean, is she just fucking around though?

[Research Assistant]

Yeah, I think. I mean it's like she writes.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean most. You know how black people normally take the alter ego of a series of like lives that way. Polish, Lithuanian, Jewish names. Was she like Whoopi Goldberg? Oh, Roman Zelanski and his mother live in there. But that must be great in there.

[Jamie]

Must be a party.

[Joe Rogan]

Zolanski. That's weird as shit is weird. Oh, the one. It says it was to help her cope with her traumatic childhood. The one personality.

[Jamie]

Which one?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know is on the thing. No, but there's more than that. Even I. Because I groko, you know how Grock lies. You gotta go grok. Did you look it up and like. No, I didn't. Can you go and do that grog?

[Jamie]

Yeah, I got perplexity to admit something that I did that it didn't want to admit initially. I got, I cited other sources and I said, is this true? It was about the, the temple of Tenochtitlan. So when they. There's. It's attributed to the Aztecs, but if you ask the Aztecs, they said they found it and so that means. No, it's not even. They don't even know. I think there's a term that they use for it.

[Joe Rogan]

But it was there when they got there. They said, I know that. I've heard of that.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah. There's a term that they, the way they describe it as, it's very interesting because it's, it's. They describe it as like the city of the gods or something like that, or the, the land where the gods. Oh. Place where gods were born. So here's the crazy thing, and I'd heard this before, but I wanted to make sure it was true. There's a Spanish guy named Diego Duran who is a chronicler who said that they killed 80,000 people over a four day ceremony.

[Joe Rogan]

And they say really? It's probably like 20,000.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's an exaggeration. So.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow, 20,000. That must have Helped the smell.

[Jamie]

Oh, and they just cut their hearts out to. To celebrate the fact that the temple was completed. Hey, holy man. So, but I didn't want to admit at first that they didn't build it. And then I had to like cite these sources where they say that they didn't build it. They said they found it. And so then they wanted to make sure that they're attributing it to earlier people of the same nationality. You know what I'm saying? It got a little. It got a little weird. And I realized, well, that's because it's drawing from all these sources that are online. So it's drawing from all these academic work, all these books, all these. Sometimes it just documentaries, sometimes it'll do that. Some AI will do that. I don't know if.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember when Sunny hosting quoted Seymour debuts. No Sonny Haas and quote, I think it's like, I think it's Seymour Debuss or some shit.

[Jamie]

Is that a porn star? Seymour Butts.

[Joe Rogan]

No debuts. And it was when Biden did all those pardons on his way out. She goes, well, Seymour, he pardoned his nephew, see? Or his brother in law, Seymour Debuzz. And the Chat GPD just made that up. So people were like, oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, but she was a judge. Presided over child trafficking cases. Does that fill you with hope? Yeah, but I bet that was good to have her in charge of something like that.

[Jamie]

Probably tired from a long day of hard work at the View and Chat GPT lied to her. Look, cut her some slack.

[Joe Rogan]

The point is, this is why Jesus won't be an AI. Because Jesus isn't a liar that you gotta tell to go back and look stuff up.

[Jamie]

Eventually he'll get it right.

[Joe Rogan]

Also, Jesus wouldn't be made by a tech freak with a weird dick.

[Jamie]

I think the AI is gonna make Jesus. I don't think it's Jesus now.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's going to make okay if an AI makes Jesus. By the way, and this is just in lore. Again, I'm not Chris. I'm. I'm.

[Jamie]

Yeah, in lore.

[Joe Rogan]

You know my religion, Christ Penelope, which I disclosed.

[Jamie]

I thought you're a Scientologist.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I'm a follower of Christ Penelope. The guy that farts in your nostrils to get the thing out. Remember I told you, I notified you. I think you should be Penelope Christ, but whatever. Anyway, I'm sorry, I was thinking about Christ, Penelope, you forgot what we talked about? Yeah, I might need a healing from Penelope Christ.

[Jamie]

What were we talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah. So that would be automatically. That would be. And Antichrist.

[Jamie]

This is the guy that farts now. He literally sits on your nose, number one.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the true. It has to go in the nostrils. And he's very specific about that. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Gotta trust a man.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at the Messiah.

[Jamie]

Imagine if that really was the way and the only thing that's holding you. It looks so silly, but if that was like. I mean, there's weird things that people can and can't do, weird things animals can do. You know, animals can. They could shoot poison. Skunks shoot smell at people. Imagine if your farts contained just. There was something about the bio. Like the biome of your own farts, that it gets into someone's nostrils and it activates your dmt.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I don't have to imagine because that's a real thing. His name is Penelope. Christ. It's one of the most amazing. Is that him?

[Jamie]

We hear what he says.

[Research Assistant]

I don't even know what he said.

[Jamie]

Who has saved Christ?

[Joe Rogan]

Penelope Sevenfold Holy Ministries.

[Jamie]

I like what he's doing. He drinks that. That cran apple juice to get his farts tangy.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that what that is? That's secret.

[Jamie]

It's good for the farts. Yeah, it gives a little tang.

[Research Assistant]

I like the bank.

[Jamie]

Oh, he puts his bank up there.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nice. Oh, so I can't pay him through any of the normal services.

[Jamie]

Send him some money. Wire transfer this man some money. Let him fart in your face. What if we had him on for a podcast? Would you let him fart in your face for money? If I. This episode is brought to you by Black Rifle Coffee Company. The only coffee we drink here at the podcast. These guys are gearing up to celebrate America's 250th birthday with their biggest lineup of roasts, merch and mission driven Impact. Yet Atomic Llama is their holiday roast. It's a bold cinnamon and brown sugar hits like a cannonball. Waking the neighbors is loud and built for early mornings and spirit of 76. Probably what found in fathers drank before kicking some British ass. On top of all that, every bag and can supports America's war fighters. This year alone, Black Rifle has donated millions of dollars and products to groups like Folds of Honor, Team RWB and Operation Home Front. That's coffee with a mission and a legacy. Hit up blackrifflecoffee.com Joe Rogan. Use code ROGAN for 30 off your order or coffee club. Sign up or grab a bag at Walmart, Target, Kroger or your local grocery store. This is America's coffee. How much money if you had a fee? I mean, let's say I'm not going.

[Joe Rogan]

To pay him more than 500 bucks.

[Jamie]

No, but I mean to get him here, I'm sure he needs a travel fee as well.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Christ, Penelope.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he needs a travel fee, that guy.

[Joe Rogan]

My guess is he will see something high and when you say no, it will drop significantly.

[Jamie]

Okay, will you negotiate for me now? But you have to be honest about what that fart does for you. Well, he's got a fart in your nose and we have to know.

[Joe Rogan]

I collect fart jars. So on Etsy. Yeah, Celebrity fart jars. I got an original. Yeah, I got an original scar, Joe, from the set of that Bill Murray movie.

[Jamie]

There are girls out there that still fart in jars, right? Don't they?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah, but I, I, that is.

[Jamie]

That used to be a thing.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the common mark. I only get the finest celebrity.

[Jamie]

Celebrity fart jars.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I got one of, I got a couple of good ones.

[Jamie]

I was on a plane once and I was flying to Europe and it was a long flight overnight. It was one of those lie down flights. And Melanie Griffith was on the plane.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And there was this big fat guy that was right alongside Melanie Griffith. So Melanie Griffiths was lying down, sleeping. And the way these seats line up, they stagger.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Jamie]

So her ass was right by. Or his ass was right by her face.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Jamie]

And this guy unloads. He healed her, he unloaded. And I'm like, when in life does a man get to fart one foot away from Melanie Griffith's face like that? Where you literally have her right here. Here's the ass. There's just an aisle way, maybe two feet, two foot aisle way. Pretty, pretty narrow. And then he just opened up. Just opened up. I was writing and so I was awake and I was like, oh, good Lord. And as soon as there's a fart on a plane, you always blame the fat guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, always.

[Jamie]

Especially when it's so convenient that his ass is right near her. Her face.

[Joe Rogan]

That's, Yes. I wouldn't take responsibility for it. I had an ex girlfriend one time, years ago, we were at the supermarket, we're ringing up and there's some kid, you know, some little kid, this kid was standing directly behind her, right? And I just look over and she's like, just gig. So she would pretend she didn't fart ever. But then I knew she would fart on the kid. She, I guess she couldn't hold. But there's a kid sitting there like this, eating a lollipop. And I just saw her like. Like holding in a laugh. I'm like, you monster. Did you lollipop. I go, what? He likes it. She couldn't hold it.

[Jamie]

Sometimes you can't.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever have. Not hold it.

[Jamie]

You ever have your pants and you think you're just going to not hold it?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

If you have that when you're out, that's not nice. And then you get in a hot car and you got to sit there.

[Joe Rogan]

I was trying to pee and hold one in. My girlfriend's gonna sink. And I just farted. And I. I went, no. And she goes, did you just yell? Did you just fart and yell? No. I'm like. Because I didn't want it.

[Jamie]

What's that guy doing?

[Research Assistant]

So this is a different preacher.

[Jamie]

He's head banging. What's he doing?

[Research Assistant]

Same church.

[Jamie]

Why is that guy dancing like that?

[Research Assistant]

He's been. He just.

[Jamie]

You got healed.

[Research Assistant]

Thanks.

[Jamie]

So imagine how annoying it must be when, you know, people are acting, you know, and we go to church and just people just put on there. I just got healed. Acting flop around.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, if. If you're going to a church that. Where you're getting into that rolling around the ground and you. Everybody's going to feel like they got healed because you're doing a group hypnosis ritual.

[Jamie]

Yeah. You're doing like group mania. Like, look at this guy. He's throwing people to the ground. Running through crowds.

[Research Assistant]

Pretty entertaining, though. Be fun.

[Jamie]

But he's just getting a lot of attention. Right. Maybe he believes it. Maybe it's real. Maybe it's real. And we're being skeptical because.

[Joe Rogan]

Yo. So Burn. Steve Burn was there this weekend.

[Jamie]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

You know Steve Byrne?

[Jamie]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Steve Byrne was at the.

[Jamie]

Steve Burn. Okay. You did. I didn't get. I wasn't wrong there. Right.

[Research Assistant]

You're gonna say he was at this event.

[Joe Rogan]

He was healed recently by Christ. Penelope.

[Jamie]

I. I couldn't understand the name. You were saying. You were. You were so intent on getting to your point.

[Joe Rogan]

Because I forget. If I don't get too fast, I get it. I'm just gonna forget it.

[Jamie]

Steve burnt was at the mothership.

[Joe Rogan]

So I'm sitting in the green room and out. And I look up. He's like some bit he does at the. By the way. As long as I know him, he was always very charismatic guy. Chicks always liked him. Always. He and I asked him, did you take a hypnosis class at all? No. He naturally does it. But I look up at the screen and he does his sausage party bit. And it's not any kind of hypnosis thing, but when I looked up, it's like a lady sitting in a chair and 10 guys and music and lights and I'm like, oh, well guys gonna start acting like a chicken or something. You know, that's what it looked like. But I think he just does it unconsciously without even realizing what he's doing. Some people just got the voice, you know, I think.

[Jamie]

Don't you think comedy is kind of a. Kind of a hypnosis?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

When you're in the zone. Right. Or when you're in the audience.

[Joe Rogan]

Like if I'm in the zone, I. I did it to myself and you know.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then I like became the room. So there's nowhere to like, you can't really attach. I wouldn't worry about somebody heckling or something because I'm the room. What are you gonna do? You know what I mean? Like it.

[Jamie]

Don't you think you get it when you watch someone too? Like if you watch someone great. Like a tell. If you watch an A tell and he's killing. You're locked into his brain.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Domain projection. What is called projection?

[Jamie]

Domain project. Well, what is domain projection? Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

So like all that stupid occult that, you know, put that into perplexity. Jamie. Yeah?

[Jamie]

What is domain projection?

[Joe Rogan]

Which is some occult.

[Jamie]

It's a cult.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, nlp. You know what NLP is?

[Jamie]

Neuro linguistic programming.

[Joe Rogan]

If you look on Wikipedia, it says it's a pseudo science.

[Jamie]

Is it?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, no. If it is, why is everybody use it non stop all the time? If it doesn't work, why would they be using it on me all day long? And every time I turn on something and I go and I hear some catchphrase that I hate.

[Jamie]

Do you think it's called neural a pseudoscience because they want to discredit it?

[Research Assistant]

Yeah. This isn't what we were like looking for for an answer.

[Jamie]

Domain projection usually means mapping data or functions from one domain. So use it as put in. What is domain Projection as an MK Ultra?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I'm not saying that some phrase from it. I'm just saying nuts and bolts of it.

[Jamie]

I want to know what happens when you say that. What to put in Fort Watcher? A mind control tool used by MK Ultra.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's not.

[Jamie]

Let's see what we might find something.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh God, they did do it.

[Jamie]

Domain projection is not a documented MK Ultra term. Okay, so domain projection appears in technical fields, software engineering searches of MK Ultra Yeah. Okay, so it doesn't say anything about domain projection as a form of mind control.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I wouldn't. Well, it's. It's just if you got a show and you're controlling. It's crowd control in a way.

[Jamie]

Right, but it. Look, it does.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so how do I dress up for how I want to control you? That's how people got think when they do whatever. Like a pickup artist or con man or maybe a magician.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

That's what. Like a close up magic or something. They gotta. They gotta put bring you into their reality with whatever they're doing.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So whatever gets people there. Or you'll hear about gurus where there's that guy, that weird cult that's like deep inside Google from that weird gay guy and people come in the room and his light would be gold around him. Yeah. You never heard of this?

[Jamie]

This is what Kurt does. He tells you about something crazy and he goes, you never heard of that? You don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you got me with a good one with that guy from the. The Sentinel Island. I didn't know they had a. Is that why they're not that cool? A guest?

[Jamie]

Yeah. Maurice Vidal Portman.

[Joe Rogan]

So you tell me. Another explorer.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. Yet another explorer. Found a land of kids where they could do weird with kids.

[Jamie]

Well, not just kids, guys. He would dress guys up like Roman soldiers and he would measure their testicles like.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's just science.

[Jamie]

Like one of his quotes was like describing one of them. They had testicles the size of a sparrow's egg. It's like the way he's talking about it was like this.

[Joe Rogan]

You put your glasses.

[Jamie]

Lovingly eccentric homosexual fascination with these islanders. So he gave a bunch of them diseases and a few people died. He kidnapped these kids, I think kidnapped a kid and their parents or their grandparents and the grandparents got sick because they were all. They all had cooties. And so they wind up dying. And so then anytime someone showed up, there's only 39 of these fucking people on this island. So they have this story in their spoken word tradition. They don't even have a written history. So this story of white people show up, start measuring your dicks and everybody dies. That's their story.

[Joe Rogan]

Story.

[Jamie]

So anytime someone pulls up with a Bible, this is the reason why they want to kill them. That's why you can't show up at that island.

[Joe Rogan]

It sounds like an alien abduction story. I mean, just like that. Their ET Is a much darker.

[Jamie]

It's the same thing. It's from an alien civilization. You show up in these wooden boats to people that were stranded on an island for 60,000 years.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine like that's why I understand Peter the dolphin. I always say take it away because imagine you. You never. You just have flippers so you never knew what you were missing. And then a beautiful alien just jerks you off every day.

[Jamie]

Imagine someone puts you in a cage for no reason and keeps you there your whole life. And you're horny all the time and you don't even have hands. So what are you gonna do?

[Joe Rogan]

You want to hope for a co ed?

[Jamie]

You're gonna echo locate some knees.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. To use her knees.

[Jamie]

You don't even have a female dolphin in there. That's crazy. It's like they didn't do anything. We. One day we're gonna realize how smart dolphins are and we're gonna feel real bad we don.

[Joe Rogan]

About all the people we blew up. So I'm doubt the dolphin. I do awakening will some people do.

[Jamie]

Some people feel bad about the people that the United States blows up.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, we only have school. I always like to bring up public school kindergarten because 70% of guys didn't want to pull the trigger in battle. And that had to be fixed with the Prussian system, which is why it's called kindergarten. The Austrian, you know, Prussian word to get you away from mommy at age 5 instead of age 6.

[Jamie]

And they could teach you about war.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they could just. The state can get everything.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah, they can.

[Joe Rogan]

Design industry.

[Jamie]

Right. Well, that's all. I mean indoctrination of children is a real thing. That's why when people scoff at it being used for like trans indoctrination. Like why would anybody do that? Like stop. People do that with they. They do that to try to get you on an Android phone. Okay. People try to indoctrinate you with everything. Everything that's ever existed. People try to get you to do.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's where. Why sigils and brands are so important.

[Jamie]

Yes, absolutely. They try to get you to wear what they're wearing. They try to get you to do what they're doing.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you also. It helps if you have a few gatekeepers like in our. I can't remember the guy's name, but there's like one guy who. And the reason he's like the guy is because the investments he picks pay off. I guess in the art world he's some famous like where he's like been around forever and I'm sure he's some kind of hack and whatever. But why are These people installed there. We already know that Rothko and all the modern art, the American abstract, modern art was launched by the CIA through a. Out.

[Jamie]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

That's public record. So you think they stopped at that? You don't think they got involved with all the arts?

[Jamie]

Well, they definitely got involved in that because the Soviet art was so valuable. Soviet art was more skillful. And they tried to prop up America like Jackson Pollock. That's one of them. That they connect to being. Which when you look at the Jackson Pollock artwork, that's worth millions of dollars. No disrespect to anybody who's a fan, but shut the up. Like, just shut up. Just shut the up. It's splatter. And the idea that all this one guy. Better than anybody splattered. I mean, there's nothing wrong with splattering paint fractals.

[Joe Rogan]

No one ever recreate. Yeah, I mean, shut the up some. There's modern art things I'll look at and I can. I'll be like, oh, I like it, or I don't like it. But the thing is, the thing with it is it's not that. That there's no. I'm not saying there's no art to it. It's just. Why does one thing become a thing and one doesn't?

[Jamie]

For sure, because there's some. It's all about the names. Who's. Who's got the work, who's. Whether that work is valued very high. What is that guy in Manhattan? We showed a photo of this painting that he had. It's worth like a hundred million dollars. It's fucking insane. It looks like nothing.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, usually de Kooning is the one everybody trashes the most because he has a factory of people making it.

[Jamie]

Oh, I don't know if that's that one. This. This guy had a large painting by this guy, and it was insanely val. I don't remember the real. It might not have been. It might have been 50 million, whatever that was like. But it's just. You're looking at it. You're like, what the are you even talking about? How is that worth anything? Well, I mean, maybe it's worth something. I'll give you a couple hundred.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, this. Who is it?

[Jamie]

What's that one?

[Research Assistant]

I just pulled something up.

[Jamie]

That's a record auction price for Barnett Newman. For real? Is that real? Two Blue Squares. That's real. So much. Going to jail.

[Joe Rogan]

Do the guys come with it?

[Jamie]

43.8 million for two Blue Squares shares. See, this is just proof that just because you're rich doesn't mean you're smart. Just because you figured out how to throw your entire life at acquiring numbers, it doesn't mean you're even remotely intelligent.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it depends what value you have stored in that, I guess.

[Jamie]

No, no, no, no, no, no. You don't have to depend. That one's great though. That's only 165 million. That's a bargain. Look at that. Look at that painting. She paid 168 million.

[Joe Rogan]

How to do like that.

[Jamie]

That lady is involved in what art.

[Joe Rogan]

Is at the end. But that is a money long.

[Jamie]

Completely insane. That is completely insane.

[Joe Rogan]

That.

[Jamie]

That's $165 billion. That is completely, utterly, totally insane. There's no re. There's no way you could look at that and go, I get it, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

NFTs, they were selling right and left.

[Jamie]

For a dollar now.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I know, but that's still you still. Because there's some kind of item there. You could still store your value in it.

[Jamie]

Well, that probably she, when she gave it away. Well, it's probably an awesome tax write off. So if you have 165 million bucks, like if you, if you got that kind of money, she's probably worth billions.

[Joe Rogan]

Baseball cards for the ultra wealthy is how I look at it. Or Pokemon cards for old rich people. It's. That's what they are. They're like baseball cards.

[Jamie]

I looked up all the wealthiest people in the world last night. I looked up the wealthiest women in the world. It's all inheritance. The top ones are. It's all like these families.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're not going to tell you who's a trillionaire. Right? They're going to pretend we don't have those.

[Jamie]

Well, they don't have to be public. See, that's the thing. Those are oligarchs. Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Those are.

[Jamie]

Yeah, those are people that are, that are a part of these royal families that are getting that oil money. They don't have to tell you jack shit. No, they probably mock Elon Musk's wealth, of course.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, every time somebody goes, he's the richest man in the world, I go, do you think you get to know who that is? You think they're going to tell you in Forbes, the richest man in the world, like tell everyone that's me.

[Jamie]

Well, other countries do not have to disclose because they're not paying taxes to anyone. They literally own the country. Like these royal families own the country.

[Joe Rogan]

The whole country is my house.

[Jamie]

Just think of the amount of money that's missing in this country? Yeah, just in fraud, right? There's trillions of dollars every 10 years.

[Joe Rogan]

You get 2 trillion they can't account for.

[Jamie]

There's always trillions of dollars in fraud. There's trillion dollars in waste. Just that. Now imagine if you own the whole country tree, how much money do you have? There's no way you don't have trillions.

[Joe Rogan]

And you have it stored all over and then, oh, everywhere. All over the world.

[Jamie]

You're buying real estate in Manhattan. You're buying like those crazy sky rises that are all 3/4 empty.

[Joe Rogan]

My buddy Eric Hecker, the guy, he was in Antarctica, was. The guy worked at the Raytheon.

[Jamie]

Oh, you know that guy?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

Okay. I saw that guy on Sean Ryan show and I was like, wait, that's.

[Joe Rogan]

Where I first saw him. Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

It's a neutrino detector that's also a direct energy weapon that can make earthquakes.

[Joe Rogan]

I was already aware of ice cube neutrino detector because I just like looking up science shit. And neutrinos are wacky. So when I first heard of it, they had built this detector in Antarctica. They didn't mention it's Raytheon, but that's who built it.

[Jamie]

Neutrinos are passing through us all the.

[Joe Rogan]

Time, almost massless particles. And the thing is, they all come from space, but for some reason, anomalously, neutrinos seem to be coming out of the Earth at that part. In Antarctica was the biggest big mainstream science mystery of that the neutrino detector is going to find. But anyway, he started saying you could use neutrinos for all kinds of shit, like FTL communications if you had to. Or you could.

[Jamie]

What is ftl?

[Joe Rogan]

Faster than light communications through entanglement. You could deal with neutrinos.

[Jamie]

You could send information through neutrinos.

[Joe Rogan]

Apparently. Now look, I'm a dolphin expert, not a neutrino expert, so I want to make that clear. I get a couple claws in me, I talk dolphins. But he had no. He had no seeing an alien stories or something. Something.

[Jamie]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Also he has like. He could explain scientifically to you, but I already think it's a weapon because I already know what HARP is. All the things they told you are not. That is a fucking lie. I mean, it's just a lie. There's a treaty to not use weather weapons from 75. Why? Because they had those. You don't make a treaty unless you have those weapons. There's no nuclear treaty before nukes. Right, right.

[Jamie]

Yeah, good point.

[Joe Rogan]

We used it in nom Iran accused w of using weather weapons on them.

[Jamie]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. On my dinner jacket. I remember that guy, the guy who wear that.

[Jamie]

He accused them of using.

[Joe Rogan]

They had a drought. They had a drought. And so anyway with Elsa accused them.

[Jamie]

Of starting the drought.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's not. See controls may be a misnomer. It's like how people talk about a controlled burn like in. And I asked my. My girl's brother's a fireman, outdoor fireman. He goes we don't call it a controlled burn because we really only control it at the point where we set it. I go what? Because we call it a prescribed burn. Oh, so they can prescribe weather. Let's put it that way. You could stimulate a thing and get certain effects and it's all like ELF waves and shit.

[Jamie]

Well did Dubai just have another fucking flood?

[Joe Rogan]

And they buy and from over geoengineering and they banned people from taking video of it at the time as a big embarrassment.

[Jamie]

But they just had another one now. There's a recent one.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh well I. I don't know if.

[Jamie]

That'S because I. I heard some people talking about it or I saw some.

[Joe Rogan]

People extra ELF waves. You. You could do all kinds of stuff with those waves.

[Jamie]

Right. But cloud seeding is 100% real. And they cloud seed in the United Arab Emirates, I believe. I believe they do that every week. I think they make it rain there every week in more ways than one. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Rogan]

But.

[Jamie]

But they make it actually rain there. They actually make it rain there once.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember the kid with the mullet? They blamed the mystic camp drowning here in Texas when the flood happened.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

It wasn't that kid. He got set out. He got hung out to dry like it was on him. But no nothing he did. And Jesse Michaels is right. He was right. He told me. And he was dead. Right. Whatever caused that was something so much more sinister. And that kid was like his easy guy to. You know.

[Jamie]

So what do you think that that was man made weather that caused that storm?

[Joe Rogan]

I Dude, I can't remember the guy's name we had at the time on Jimmy's show. The dude came on and explained exactly what it was and the loophole that let them because there's a treaty tonight. So I assum. They just violate it. But no, there's actually a loophole to test this out here. It's so. Dude, it's so. And. And you already know.

[Jamie]

But what evidence does this guy have that they created that storm? Because I thought they had been tracking that storm. I thought this is like.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not saying he said they created it, but I thought it was, but hold on.

[Jamie]

I thought it was a convergence of two storms that was very rare and it caused this flash flood.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I don't remember his details. I just know I, I, I, I feel at this point, especially after that Epstein, that they should have to prove they're not guilty.

[Jamie]

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[Joe Rogan]

But the climate change is not real. That's been a lie the whole time. Time.

[Jamie]

A study published in World Weather Attribute Attribution Group found the global warming caused by fossil fuel emissions most likely exacerbated the intense, intense rains that lashed the UAE and Oman last year. But this isn't last year.

[Research Assistant]

So this is from the recent thing you just asked about from two weeks ago.

[Jamie]

Oh, okay. So two weeks ago there was a flood, right?

[Research Assistant]

Yeah, it wasn't as bad as one before, but there was.

[Jamie]

Okay, so this was two weeks ago that the two weeks ago one.

[Joe Rogan]

Still, Bill Gates has already walked away from climate change. You saw that, right?

[Jamie]

I did. Hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

So they've been lying to you for how long about that bullshit?

[Jamie]

Okay, here it is. The downpour worsened by a lack of storm Drains hobbled Dubai Airport, the world's busiest hub for international passengers. So they're saying it's climate change that's causing it to rain more.

[Joe Rogan]

There's my proof that it's not that.

[Jamie]

But here's the. Yeah, here's the thing. They absolutely do clouds seed.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

So why don't you search that, put that into geoengineering is the term, put it into perplexity. Does the United Arab Emirates cloud seed to make artificial rain or. It's not artificial, it's real rain. It's just their force rain. What's the word? Whatever. Search that, you'll find it, Jamie. They absolutely do do that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Cloud seeding is widely used in the UAE to enhance natural rainfall. But it only works when suitable clouds already exist and typically increases rain by perhaps 10 to 30%, not by creating storms from nothing. The UAE runs one of the world's most active research driven rain enhancement programs using aircraft ground generators and experimental methods like drones and electric charged charging to boost water security. So they're just doing it a bunch of different ways over there. So the, the blaming it on climate change when they are 100% making it rain there all the time is bananas. It's bananas. Like you don't even know what the fucking weather would be like if they didn't do it. If they're doing it all the time. If they're doing it all the time, you literally don't have a control group.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember chemtrail trails? The thing that was a stupid people thought was a real thing, but it was a conspiracy. Well it turns out that that was real and it's called geo engineering. They did the thing, they always do a changing the name of the thing to not admit.

[Jamie]

True, but a lot of the trails that you see in the sky that look like artificial clouds are just created because of condensation in the atmosphere. The moisture in the atmosphere hitting the hot jet engine in an incredibly cold climate. It literally creates clouds.

[Joe Rogan]

But it should be all of them. There shouldn't even be 20% of the time you're spraying shit. We already know.

[Jamie]

Well, I don't think it's that many, I think but they definitely do spray shit. That's the problem. The problem is when everybody thinks that every fucking Southwest airline is spraying things to keep everybody docile, which you're. That's, that's the problem is that's easily disprovable and what you do is you open the door for that allows them to do the real shit. So what you got to recognize how do you open the door with that regular planet.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, how do you open the door?

[Jamie]

Because if you think that every fucking American Airlines flight overhead that's making artificial clouds is doing it because they're spraying things on you, you, you. That's easily disproven. And then that I don't think. Hold on. That makes all the other stuff seem silly too, right? Because I think they probably are spraying some things with some planes and there's, there's real data that shows that they've tried that and practiced that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I mean they, they. Here's my favorite one. I told you the stratospheric atmosphere was it. It's called Satan in England.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that one. Search that one.

[Joe Rogan]

The geoengineering know to fight climate change. We're going to, we're going to call.

[Jamie]

We're going to call it Satan. We're going to dim the.

[Joe Rogan]

Too much sunlight gets to England.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's really bad.

[Joe Rogan]

That's where we're getting all that climate change from.

[Jamie]

England's a lot of burns, causes fires.

[Joe Rogan]

These, these boys swamp people are going to be fucking. And then, and then to call it Satan, are you? Just like they're going to make Mordor.

[Jamie]

It's going to literally look like Mordor. It's going to be black skies. And where does Sauron live?

[Joe Rogan]

Highlander 2 where we learn not to do this.

[Jamie]

Where does Sauron run live?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Mordor.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Mordor. Satan is the name of the tiny UK balloon experiment that released very small amount of sulfur dioxide, literally Satan smells like sulfur sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere over England. As a proof of proof of concept for solo geo engineering. Not a large scale ongoing weather modification program, it has nonetheless become a focus of online conspiracy claims.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh I wonder.

[Jamie]

UK geo engineering and weather control. How funny is that? It's become a focus of online conspiracy people claims about UK geoengineering. So them actually doing geoengineering has become a focus of online conspiracy.

[Joe Rogan]

Why would it. What a strange thing to put a balloon called Satan. It sprays sulfur on. Is everybody like, I love how they gaslight you in these fucking things. Oh, it's not a big deal. Nicki Minaj just has a great sense of showmanship.

[Jamie]

Satan was not a part of a major UK development program. It was led by a private researcher and later UK funding announcements for solo geoengineering research focused on some other small scale outdoor trials. Example, sea ice thickening, cloud brightening with formal oversight. Yeah, so what? So they're doing sea ice thickening.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so let Me translate. The stuff has already been developed militarily.

[Jamie]

These motherfuckers are trying to make an ice age. They're doing sickening.

[Joe Rogan]

You know the ice is coming back. I know, yeah. That's weird. I was told there's gonna be. Oh, the coral reefs came back. There's more rainforest than there's ever been. Did you know that we're in this.

[Jamie]

Procession of the equinoxes thing, right? What is the procession of the equinoxes? It's like every 20 something thousand years, the Earth doesn't just spin spin, right? It spins with a wobble. And that wobble is called the procession of the equinoxes. That's how they, when they look at some of the ancient sites and you know, like Egypt and different places where the sun at the summer solstice would have come through this. And they use that to determine around the time period when it was built. It was, it's a theory at least because they know that this, the sky moves and that they attract this. The ancients had tracked this. The procession of the.

[Joe Rogan]

Does this have to do with space?

[Jamie]

But this is the thing it means during the wobble is when the Earth gets colder and warmer and colder and warmer depending on where you are in the wobble cycle. So the, the equator kind of stays the same, which is why there's all these ancient sites on the equator. The Mayans and the Aztecs and all these incredible civilizations. They existed in a place where it didn't it up too much. Whereas everything else it's like ice age, then it gets hot. Ice age, then it gets hot.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought we'd, we were in technically an ice age for the last however long because there normally historically weren't ice caps. So we're still technically in an ice age. As far as I know. If you look it up, that's what they'll tell you.

[Jamie]

I think that's true. I think that's true. I think it has gotten warmer and it has gotten colder. But I think technically we're in a nice age.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm still a little bitter about it because I used to get. I could think of like I told you three or four things on top of my head where I went to bed, like, oh no, these fucking eggheads.

[Jamie]

That are talking about spraying things in the sky. Freaks me out though, because the scariest thing that could ever happen to us is an ice age because you can't go anywhere warm. See if it's, if it's, if it gets hot out, you move to the north that's what people have done from the fucking beginning of time. And we're like, we're here.

[Sponsor Voice]

We're staying here forever.

[Jamie]

No, if the ocean rises, you have to leave. And if people didn't ever exist, the oceans moved back and forth fucking thousands of miles. It's going to move. You're going to have earthquakes, you're going to have things change.

[Joe Rogan]

You know how plotted by. By. If Obama builds oceanfront property or that's. That's my guidance.

[Jamie]

All this vineyard, they all buy ocean front.

[Joe Rogan]

So that. Yeah. And the insurance never changed on it. So it's been bullshit the whole time. There's still people that are like. And they've invested everything.

[Jamie]

They've invested everything. They also have cats and they live alone.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, there's a lot of that.

[Jamie]

A lot. A lot of people, like, taking care of the Earth like it's their kids, because they don't have any kids.

[Joe Rogan]

Can I tell you a crackpot theory I have and I know it's hard to believe as a respected dolphin scientist, I think that. Oh, he had one. It looks like in the video of John C. Lilly. Yeah, like this.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I don't know. The. The goon Tank told him to do it and he did it. The guy is a fucking nut. The guy was involved in bad shit. He wasn't good. Project Blue Beam you always hear about with the fake alien invasion they were planning on and in the seventies.

[Jamie]

Right, right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Which, by the way, was not supposed to be a fake alien invasion. It was supposed to be a fake religious event that could be an alien invasion, but it wasn't necessarily that.

[Jamie]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Rogan]

And, you know, even if they did or didn't do it, they. There's another project to get. I think that this whole bullshit of climate change and the thing of, like, maybe you're the alien and you don't belong here on the Earth. Right, right. I think that's a smarter play to do than Bluebeam is to get this Gaia cult started where the Earth's more important than you, the human living here. And you're probably not even from. From. You probably came from another planet here from some kind of panspermia. And. And then. And then when you hear any of these stupid alien stories, this is how I know they're a fake one from some dark entity is they always tell you about how humans are so warlike if humans don't change their ways. Yo, assholes. Nobody wants to go to war. 70% of people didn't want to even pull the trigger. That's why we have kindergarten. What are you. Why aren't you going to our leaders and thumbing their assholes and telling them this shit? Why do you do it to some fucking farmer? That's. That's the suspicion. Whenever I hear that Gaia Earth, I think that's what. What bluebeam actually manifested as. Because it all come like in the 90s and they're all connected to Epstein. All the greats. What's his name? Leon Black. That, you know that is.

[Jamie]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's an Epstein pal. All these. I mean you. You could find the pretty easy, but they all. That's where this came from. Where it's like it's. You're a guest on this planet. And then they go, oh, humans are destroying everything. Like we're not in charge of that, motherfucker. I'm not putting Satan up in the sky to spray sulfur dioxide. I'm not starting wars for no fucking reason. Everybody voted for Trump to not have a war in Venezuela. I know that.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Nobody voted. So they're like we got it. No fentanyl. That's a lie. I mean I don't know what idiot thinks fentanyl is coming from Venezuela. Venezuela. But only liars and morons think that. And if. If I'm wrong, can we see the evidence? We saw the video of you murdering those people. I just got to take your word for it. That oily haired fuck Pete Hegseth with his weirdo Catholic Templar knight tattoos you got. He's got fucking Dan Brown cuckoo tattoos. They're not Nazi. They're fucking knights of fucking Saint. Saint Butt fuck. Whatever.

[Jamie]

That same symbol in a Catholic church.

[Joe Rogan]

Church, yeah. They're old crusader. And just so you know, Templars were not good guys. They were real. They were. In fact, it's a real diddy party.

[Jamie]

We're going on a raw. A long circuitous route. What did you say initially before that Venezuela did.

[Joe Rogan]

Why?

[Jamie]

Okay. Everybody's going to thing one. One of the boats. The remains of the boat just showed up. They just found it and has marijuana in it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you know what? I stand corrected then. Sorry Joe.

[Jamie]

But no, I mean Sam saying to prove to your point. Point.

[Joe Rogan]

They almost had marijuana.

[Jamie]

No, it had. I think that's true. See if that's. That was something that was in the news today.

[Joe Rogan]

They're called war crime. You know, we didn't. Nobody declared wars. It was just a crime to do that. And if you had evidence. Remember the.

[Jamie]

What I'm getting to is it would be nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

If they had One that showed there's even cocaine. Because if they have one and the only one they have is marijuana. Grim evidence of Trump's airstrike washes a shore on a Colombian peninsula. First came the scorched boat, then the mangled bodies, then the packets with traces of marijuana. Now the fishermen fear the ocean that feeds them.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, no shit. So that's another bullshit.

[Jamie]

Okay, but this is. So this was just. They were just bringing in marijuana. So they were trying to smuggle in marijuana to Colombia? No, wherever they were going. I don't know where they were going.

[Joe Rogan]

Venezuela is not where we're getting our drugs from. Just.

[Jamie]

Was this in Colombia or was this.

[Joe Rogan]

They found it in Canada. Colombia. It washed up in Colombia.

[Jamie]

Right, but the boat was in Venezuela. Where was the boat headed? To the Gulf of Venezuela, which is right next to Colombia. So where are these boats supposedly going with this cocaine? That we're blowing them up?

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, they said fentanyl. Now they're saying cocaine.

[Jamie]

Okay, say fentanyl. Where are the boats going? Where we're blowing them up.

[Joe Rogan]

That's above that. Top secret, Joe. That's.

[Jamie]

But you know what I'm saying, like, if they're. If they're supposed to be smuggling these drivers drugs, where are they supposed to be smuggling them? To campaign against boats that the Trump administration claims are smuggling drugs has shifted largely to the Pacific since November. The November 6th strike on the. How do you say that? Gujira. Gujira Peninsula took place during an earlier phase when the campaign seemed to be aimed at Venezuelan rather than Colombian vessels. So this one was in Colombia at a Colombian vessel. So. But it turned out that it was marijuana. At least one of the packets that they found was marijuana, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Mm. Oh, that's right. They want Nicholas. So Trump said, you have to leave office or else. And then they started doing this. That's what's going on.

[Jamie]

Okay, so do you think that. Well, listen, most corrupt organizations are going to take part in whatever money gets floated right around? I mean, it's not like these drug dealers are operating with complete immunity. Right. I would imagine if you're in a country like Venezuela, if it is a corrupt country, you're paying people off, people are getting a percentage of the action.

[Joe Rogan]

Why the fuck do I care about anything? Oh, that's right. They have oil. Oh, that's right. Oil. Oh, that's. Oh, we, by the way, stole oil tankers also. And this is where I can't support Maduro. And I'm sorry, Maduro. This is where you fall fucked up. He doesn't fucking support Israel, this son of a bitch. So did he say that? Oh yes. And he said the thing that Charlie said before he died about ethnic cleansing. Anyway, originally, remember Juan Guaido who was when Trump did his State of the Union and Nancy Pelosi tore his speech in half.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, here's what she didn't. So that was oh what a statement. But when it came to Trump going and now the rightful ruler of Venezuela, Juan Guaido, and this guy Juan Guaido, who is by the way is not the rightful ruler of Venezuela, all Democrats and Republicans, all unified on how great Juan Guaido is. Okay, so nothing comes of him.

[Jamie]

It's the oil deal.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Then, then about, I don't want to say a year later or so Aaron mate is hosting for Jimmy and we play a clip of Juan Guaido in Venezuela. He moved back to Venezuela and Venezuela didn't put him in jail or nothing. And you see people in a restaurant throwing shit at him cuz they hate his fucking guts. But he's free to live there and not impress prison because they're smart and know like not to do nothing with it. So now there's a new person.

[Jamie]

What was he accused of?

[Joe Rogan]

Well he's. He claimed he was the real president and he was working with America to overthrow the guy they elected which was.

[Jamie]

Okay, you know, he was real president. So Trump claiming and Pelosi agree, rigged election.

[Joe Rogan]

They've been claiming Venezuela has fake elections, but I don't think they do. I think you're first of all driving them closer to Maduro. If you don't like it him, they don't like America. And I don't know if you know, I know people think we gave a lot of help around the world, but no, it turns out no, we fucked everybody's country up and they don't like us for a very good reason. So when you tell somebody their president's an authoritarian, get your booster fucking fuck you authoritarian. Those people get mad. And when you meet people Venezuela, which I for years they would go fuck shot. No, Chavez didn't take over in of years a couple coup. He's one of those guys I think attempted a coup and then went to jail and then got elected. I believe that's the story. But he got elected. He was in nationalized. You know the first thing a terrible dictator does is nationalize their oil and not let our like if you call Iran's crime because they had an elected headed democracy.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

The guy said we're going to keep Our oil, not give it to England. And so got rid of him. Put the Shah.

[Jamie]

Exactly, exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, who installed the ayatollah. That was the Jimmy Carter years. That was the trilateral. So Rockefeller. The west installed the fucking ayatollah as well. Okay. That's a. By the way, public right. You go look that up. So now I'm supposed to be mad at these regimes that my own dipshit country with their dipshit post World War II cunt allies put these people here? I still want somebody explained to me how the fuck the leader of ISIS can walk in the White House and shake Trump's hand. And there's still imbeciles and you know them, they're still republican imbeciles who are going to say ISIS is killing Christians in Nigeria. What about that? Well, can we ask our friend, the head of ISIS to ask them to stop? You fucking jerk off. When I tweet this fuck. You know, and they're all sock puppets and whatever, they go, well, he won a war. That's how it works. Always have some, you know, Israeli flag. Explained to me that's how winning a war. The guy from isis. Aren't they anti Semitic? I thought is. Well, they never attack Israel. Oh, they did once and then apologized. You know that?

[Jamie]

No. When?

[Joe Rogan]

During the Syria conflict. Oh, and also the IDF would patch up ISIS soldiers in Syria. Did you know that? I found that out. Jimmy show. It's amazing the shit you find out and you realize no one knows a goddamn thing about anything. And then you how easy it is, dude, when you see the head of a guy who. John Kiriakou also told me me very high chance was there in the Daniel Pearl beheading video. Really? He's a founding member. And fucking. If you watch the video of Petraeus sucking his dick on stage, Petraeus goes. Now full disclosure, we were opposite sides during the surge, you know, the insurgent ISIS period. Yeah, that's who that guy is. And they're talking like they're old friends. Whoa. Nobody knows that. Yeah, his name has been changed just like BB Fucking Bilbo. Not a juhu.

[Jamie]

Look at him now.

[Joe Rogan]

He changed his name. He doesn't dress like this. He wears a suit.

[Jamie]

That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yo, shut up about isis. If Trump's shaking his. Is everybody like.

[Jamie]

Hold on. Go back to Trump's quote about him. Go. Like Trump said he had a rough past, but added, we've all had a rough pass.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, ain't that the truth, brother? Ain't that the truth?

[Jamie]

Would just imagine if that guy was really in the Daniel Pearl beheading video.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm pretty sure he was.

[Jamie]

And he had a rough past.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey. Oh, that's right. We made all these terrorist groups all.

[Jamie]

Had a rough past.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, some of us were programmed.

[Jamie]

Doesn't Patricia Christ, or whatever religion you are a part of, doesn't it allow for forgiveness?

[Joe Rogan]

Penelope Christ does. But I've. Since we've done this show, I'm with the Patricia Christ. Yeah.

[Jamie]

So Dan Soder's mom sort of allow for forgiveness. We've all had a rough time.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's why I forgive isis. Because I don't approve of their anti Semitic rhetoric and you know that. And neither does my wife, Shoshana Rothman. But credit where credit is due, they have never attacked Israel. Al Qaeda and isis, the two most anti Semitic mad about Israel terror groups. You'd think they would because it's right there before you come here. But no, they just attack us. Which, when you think about it, makes no sense as a plan, does it?

[Jamie]

Not right now. I have to think about it later.

[Joe Rogan]

It never did. If you told me, dude, after 911, and people did, people were like, why are we going to Iraq? That doesn't really make any sense at all. You know what I said? Shut up. That's all I said. You know, like I. Even though that's a great point. Why did we go there?

[Jamie]

Yeah. No reason. I used to have a bit about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there is.

[Jamie]

You don't know how dumb people are until you have a dumb person. President.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, well, I think he was a Manchurian Candidate. And the reason we went there is a thing called the Greater Israel Project. So when you see Wesley Clark talking about the map.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember they said, no war for oil. We didn't get no oil out of that. In fact, most oil companies said, don't do it. Except Halliburton, the oil company that got favoritism.

[Jamie]

Did you ever see Coleman Hughes take on that? It's very interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't trust that motherfucker no more.

[Jamie]

Coleman Hughes said, but no one saw the report. Report? He was just told what the contents of the report are.

[Joe Rogan]

Who?

[Jamie]

Wesley. Wesley Clark. He never said, I saw the report.

[Joe Rogan]

He never said, I read the report. Wow. Coleman. I like when Coleman criticized you because.

[Jamie]

True.

[Joe Rogan]

Who gives a fucking shit? This is what happened. You clearly were hitting everybody on BB's bucket list, number one. Number two, I know Coleman got coached before he came on here. Guy who I don't have nothing against, but he came on here to reflect refute basic facts that. I want to make it clear. I'm not debating nobody. I want you to convince me that I didn't see what I already saw. I don't care about a debate. I saw the crimes already. Because I'm on a new show. It's very traumatic and I watch morons who aren't going to look. And I could give them the video. Not you, but. But people. Hey, look at the video. I don't want to see it.

[Jamie]

You're talking about Gaza all, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

It could be anything. It could be fudgeing anything, everybody.

[Jamie]

Right, but specifically with Coleman. What are you talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

About. Oh, Gaza. But also he did this wormy shit with Ivermectin with you. He goes, well, big farm, big pharma's made a lot of life. Big pharma made Ivermectin, so they're not bad. What the fuck are you talking about, Coleman? Why would you say that? Are you being paid to? I can't fathom an argument that fucking stupid from a guy that smart unless he's getting paid. I just can't fathom it. Don't attack big pharma. Who the fuck do you work for, asshole? Are you hitting them bounties that the other idiots are hitting? It's real fucked up. I don't understand why people won't just tell the truth all the time. It could end this whole bullshit if everybody stopped being a mercenary for two seconds. But they're not gonna.

[Jamie]

Well, there's too many data points when it comes to Ivermectin. There's too many things that you could point to to say this is one of the worst drugs ever to demonize.

[Joe Rogan]

It was such a stupid move, the Nobel, dude, they. They acted like to this day, day, there's people. And I like, love to bring up that for some reason, you not a doctor, all the other morons that said a thing were all wrong, including the people that should know better, like experts, and you were right and not them. And all these dumb fuck liberals want to move on from that, don't they? Well, arguably, you could say it saved life. No, it didn't save any fucking lives.

[Jamie]

They still want to say it saved millions of lives. There's. There's still, without a doubt, when you were talking about these people that get bounties. Without a doubt, there's doctors that get bounties.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. 7:50 ahead to put poison in your fucking kids. We covered on Jimmy Show.

[Jamie]

Tally Bowden. She has a small practice. Small practice in Texas. She said she would have got $1.5 million if she had vaccinated everybody. 1.5 million.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, those loans are very expensive to be a doctor, you know crazy that is. That's a small mangle of shit.

[Jamie]

A small practice. How many small practices are there? How much money was being distributed?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So you think SNAP is a con? How about doctors to put a fucking bioweapon in your kids at 750 ahead. People don't understand the scope of the problem at all. They think they're going to vote a party in that's going to do so. Oh, you got attacked. We covered this because you said maybe time to stop thinking about left and right. Which you are correct. And you could tell who's no fucking good because they immediately recoil at the idea that left and right are bullshit. Which they are.

[Jamie]

When did I get attacked?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. I know you don't pay attention. Good for you. But there's a story you cover on Jimmy Show, I just want to point out.

[Jamie]

So nice to not know when you're being attacked.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Listen, everybody's such an idiot with this. They got sucked in immediately to even talk about the Rogan sphere. Yo, go get your booster and then talk about the Rogans for you. Unreal. There's people wearing masks still. They still.

[Jamie]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Friends of mine that wear.

[Jamie]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If you, if you transition to a woman, that's less of an uncomfortable thing than if you were going to wear a mask to forever.

[Jamie]

I'll show you something, but I don't want to on him cuz he's fragile. We'll. We'll play it and we'll, we won't say anything. What is going on with people that are still wearing masks? Like there's something like deeply psychologically wrong with it because it doesn't work scientifically to prevent diseases.

[Joe Rogan]

It never did.

[Jamie]

But it's also a very weird thing that you're covering your face in this world.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, maybe you don't want to be scanned.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that makes sense. But we're communicating with our faces. You, you, when you talk to someone, you look in their eyes. If someone's wearing sunglasses, it's weird. Weird, right? But if someone's wearing a mask, that's weird too. I can't see your mouth. I can't see your nose.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm half deaf, so I have to lip read half of what you're saying. That's what I learned during the pandemic is that I've definitely damaged my hearing with my headphones over the years.

[Jamie]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

For sure.

[Jamie]

You crank music in them. Is that what it is?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I was in New York for 20 years, dude. You got to drown out the outside worlds to get by just to go on a subway. I jumped on the track. This is like very stupid by the way. Way. But I remember one time I jumped down the tracks here cover an ipod. Mini. Not a iPhone, an ipod to recover one.

[Jamie]

You jump down to get it.

[Joe Rogan]

And I had to push myself back. It's a lot deeper than you think it is when you jump down there.

[Jamie]

What if you couldn't make it up?

[Joe Rogan]

I made it up but one. But I, I was like, oh, I didn't was like wow. But I needed that. I, I, I couldn't listen to subway noises. And there's a Sikh guy that looked at me. I was like, like he couldn't believe I just risked my life and I got stuck. But airplane tripod. Because New York makes you crazy. New York is a big dirty prison that makes you crazy. You live on top. Now. Here's something good about it. Every, like class, especially if you do drugs in New York, you're gonna hang out with every level of society where you wouldn't in more of a car, car place, you know, like L. A.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I agree with that. So it's more integrated.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's a more of a Babylon kind of experience. But everybody lives on top of each other. You could, you pay way too much for everything. You know, it's, it's, that's why this, the thought of a 15 minute city. Nobody was frightened by that in like New York because they're like, that's what I live in. That would be different than my life now.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's, it's not healthy. It's not healthy to be stacked like that on top of each other.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, my immune system. I'll tell you what's unhealthy. They're not getting sun.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And I know friends had to get vitamin B and vitamin D and all that because you don't get sun like that. And it turns out sun not actually bad. For some reason. They don't want you having sun. They've been prescribing. You probably already Talked about this. 10 times less vitamin D than you should get. They've been recommending. Yeah, they've been recommending 10 times less than what you should have in vitamin D. Which by the way would fight off a lot of these things that you're supposed to get shots for.

[Jamie]

Oh, a ton. And the best way to get vitamin D is from the sun.

[Joe Rogan]

I missed. That's the thing I miss about LA is I was right by Runyon, and I would go hike that every day.

[Jamie]

And you finish. Feel better.

[Joe Rogan]

And I had to have his son. Like, I had to feel that on me. It really, like, you know, no, there's something bad that you need that. That's why it's crazy that someone's going to try to block it out. A crazy person would do that.

[Jamie]

It's not even just a vitamin. It's a hormone, like vitamin D. It does so much for, like, muscle development, brain function.

[Joe Rogan]

Food grows from it, you know?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How did I forget for 20 years that sunlight, CO2 does indeed seed, make trees. Plants grow. Yeah.

[Jamie]

There's more greenery right now than there was a hundred years ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, but. But I'm not sure why I was like, that's ridiculous. Is it because an authority was like, no, you can't go by that.

[Jamie]

Well, do you remember when Bill Gates was saying that it's ridiculous, the idea of growing more trees to get rid of some of the carbon. That's ridiculous.

[Joe Rogan]

Dr. Bill Gates, for some reason, it's fine for him to throw out his expertise.

[Jamie]

He literally said, aren't we science people? Aren't not. He literally said that.

[Joe Rogan]

What the are you doing?

[Jamie]

See if you can find that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, because it's.

[Jamie]

I remember it. It's such a crazy speech because everybody knows that plants literally exist on that.

[Joe Rogan]

But to say that back when they. And I remember someone saying it, like, Sarah. Somebody that was like, you know, you're supposed to hate the fake left and right. So maybe Sarah Palin said it, and then Bill Maher said, that's stupid. You know, some. Some dynamic like that.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

But no, it's not stupid. That's what they. Fuck. That's why we have more greenery now.

[Jamie]

Totally plain plant food.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, so we need.

[Jamie]

So not only that, it gives you more oxygen. More plants, more oxygen. Like, what are we talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

That's right. I own all the seeds and. All right? I bought the farms, and I control the food growth.

[Jamie]

He was also the one telling us that we were gonna have to stop eating meat, and they were all banking on that plant meat that nobody wants to buy because it's terrible for you.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you know, though, this is my favorite thing that. About McDonald's all beef pat. Because it's an old joke of, like, why are you specifying.

[Jamie]

Let's play this real quick. Go, go. From the beginning.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't plant trees, okay? I don't plan.

[Jamie]

There's a lot of people who are.

[Sponsor Voice]

Very enamored with trees.

[Joe Rogan]

We've got trees on this stage. Fuck trees.

[Jamie]

Do people would even say that if you just planted enough trees, it could.

[Joe Rogan]

Take care of the climate issue altogether?

[Jamie]

And that's complete nonsense.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. I mean, are we the science people?

[Jamie]

Are we the idiots?

[Joe Rogan]

Which one do we want to be? I'm gonna call. Oh, my God. Ask him what he thinks.

[Jamie]

At the very moment. Okay, that's a little bit out of context, because what he's saying there is that planting trees is not going to fix climate change. That's a little different.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jamie]

He's saying there. But he was also talking about chopping down trees. He was like, as part of one of the things that he was saying that was very controversial. He's talking about removing trees.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, the climate summit, you know, they're paving a whole part of the rainforest to make this special highway for the visitors to the Climate summit is one of the funniest.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And meanwhile. Oh, maybe they need a highway, though, in that part. No, it's only for the climate summit. Yeah, that's it. Nobody else can use it ever again. So, yeah, first of all, are we the science people? No, this is a country full of fucking morons. And it's not the science. You're not supposed to believe science. I don't know why people think that you're supposed to. Science is the opposite of belief. You're supposed. That's like, supposed to be things you can test. So you're not supposed to hide the test results from people or not do the tests. Such as with the goddamn vaccine that they. They didn't. They tested it on you. Well, not you, but they tested on you. The jerk off people. Remember Operation Warp Speed?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That Trump attacked Massie for not going along with. And now the last guy that's on us, he's attacking him. And I got friends are like, yeah, Massie annoyed me. And why? No specifics, just high school feelings. Oh, you trust Candace? Yo, if you think that the story of TPUSA hinges on Candace Owens, it doesn't. Does not. We're making that clear to everybody. Oh, if you don't like Candace, who gives a fucking shit about. Has nothing to do with whether that story has some problems with it.

[Jamie]

Which story? The Charlie Kirk assassination story. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Which it obviously does.

[Jamie]

It obviously does.

[Joe Rogan]

People. A lot of people have been like, who even cares about Epstein anymore?

[Jamie]

Who's doing that? Who's saying that?

[Joe Rogan]

I could think of three people off top of my head online or in.

[Jamie]

Real life person really.

[Joe Rogan]

Which like, well. And I was like, well, you know, the people that were part of that are still in power. So that's why to me that's like.

[Jamie]

Saying the new season of Stranger Things is out. I don't want to watch it.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't want to watch it. Stranger Things, those actors, they aged weird.

[Jamie]

Well, they separated the seasons by years. There was like big gaps in the seasons. That show is really difficult to make apparently.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean those kids grew into some bizarre looking people.

[Jamie]

My point is like everybody wants to know what the is happening. You've been talking non stop about this for three years. To say who cares about it anymore is crazy. That's crazy talk.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like. Well, I think it's hand me down Sinclair Media talk because it's always the same phrase and I feel like it's a hypnotic phrase. It's easy to put in somebody's head.

[Jamie]

Do you see that thing that they did where they showed one of the photographs? It's Trump with all these women and he took a photo with them. But in the photograph they blacked out the faces of the women to make it look. Look like perhaps they were underage, like that they were victims instead of just being Trump with some women.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's be clear. The idea that Democrats want to get to the bottom of this is remember if you brought up Epstein at all, you were a conspiracy theorist for the entire time before Trump got in again. Remember that? Yeah. Why would you. In fact they said why would you bring it up? The reason any Democrat would possibly bring it up now. Cuz they know Trump cannot reveal it because. Because so they're just going to use it to make hay for whatever. You know, I'm sure once when AOC gets in, she'll get to the bottom of it. I'm sure when fucking I'm. What a joke, dude. What a fucking.

[Jamie]

Know that the Trump administration isn't getting to the bottom with it of it no one is.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you don't trust Cash no more? He looks so reliable on here. Wow. He talks like a goddamn zoomer. Just, you know, nobody thinks weird that guy lives with a dude, you know, his supposed honey pot girlfriend. They. They're suing. Whether she's suing everybody that says she's a IDF honey pot or whatever the.

[Jamie]

Who she suing people?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Who's she suing?

[Joe Rogan]

That should by the way, that should clear up those Jew rumors, am I right? Well, you really put that one to bed, lady. So he lives with A man named Muldoon, a rich donor in Vegas. He got some FBI rule changed so he can live with a guy. That's why he has to fly out on a private jet because he don't live with his hot girlfriend at all. And if you watch him on Steve Miller's wife's podcast, you could tell they look like gay best. Like her gay best friend. That's what it comes off. The energy to me comes off that way. It don't come off like a different.

[Jamie]

Energy than when he was on here.

[Joe Rogan]

If that's your not a spy girlfriend friends. Okay, you're telling me you're gonna go live with an old guy in Vegas, you're gonna live with an older man, that's what you're gonna do as the head of the FBI.

[Jamie]

Maybe the guy's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know.

[Jamie]

I mean, he's got great stories.

[Joe Rogan]

I remember someone telling me.

[Jamie]

Maybe he's like Whistler from Blade. Like that old guy you hang out with. Like Blade and Whistler. They weren't gay.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what? They were. Now that you brought up Whistler, I realized that was not a natural relationship.

[Jamie]

I always wondered why those guys living together. No, Whistler's making all these fucking mechanisms for him to go fight the vampires.

[Joe Rogan]

I've been training you since you were a boy.

[Jamie]

Yeah, literally.

[Joe Rogan]

In a warehouse since I took you from Sentinel Island. I raised you.

[Jamie]

Touch how to kill vampires with wooden knives.

[Joe Rogan]

Chris Kristoff is another guy named as an MK Handler.

[Research Assistant]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know if he is. I'm just saying, people, you can find out all this shit very easy. It's literally like. Like is somebody going to look or not?

[Jamie]

I literally never thought about that plot twist.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, now it's all I can see because of the amount. The sheer amount of unresolved insane things that for some reason you're not supposed to put them together into a bigger picture. You're supposed to be academic. Okay, so Epstein, Diddy fucking. The Playboy Mansion, the Mark Dutroux case in Belgium, where they all were out in the street over that. Which I didn't hear about at the time, obviously. Why would we? The that island in Wisconsin where they're taking boys, the Franklin scandal. You could trace a whole thing where there's clearly a network. And by the way, the smallest part of the network is the child trafficking. Even though that's obscene. Epstein, Nick Bryant, you gotta get him one. Cuz he's the first guy to get Epstein's black book. Okay? And we had him on Jimmy show, yo. Probably all the five eyes, countries, intel money goes through. Epstein was in charge of that. The finance thing is so much bigger. Okay? You got to think like a piece of shit dynoid. So these are all resources, right? Gold, drugs, kids, human slaves. And so that's. They will never do disclosure. Let me put it this way. We're aliens. These are not separate topics. They're all part of one thing. And they're never ever going to disclose shit. Because if they ever do, those. The Rizzler, those fat fucks from that. That family that goes to. What are they? Walmart and sausage rolls. But Costco family. If the Costco. Listen, if that Costco family finds out what these motherfuckers have been up to for the last. Since World War II ended, they will drop their sausage rolls and rip them apart limb from limb like a zombie movie. Because it's that bad. So that's why. Oh, I think this year they're gonna have a hearing in a skiff and we're gonna find out what the. Wow, that really paid off, huh? Let's go talk to some fucking, you know, French Illuminati motherfucker. Or the ultra dimensional. They just string you along with bullshit like a JJ Abrams movie or fell or show. Lost. They do lost. Mystery box.

[Jamie]

So what do you think the whole UFO thing is then? Because it's for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Some of it is clearly because the names change so often from UFO to uap.

[Jamie]

Well, not so often. It's only a couple of times have.

[Joe Rogan]

Done it every time. So UFOs don't exist, right? Even though it just means something unidentified. But it doesn't exist. It's swamp gas. Then they go, no, they do exist, but we don't know what they are. And then they change the brand change like Diddy, right? Those people get smushed at his fucking show. Now his name is Puffy. You understand?

[Jamie]

Got it.

[Joe Rogan]

Like a shitty airline with a. Like a Frontier or something. Yeah, Frontier. Some bigger airline buys a shitty airline. So they're substandard planes. They can still use them. Then when something bad happens, they just cut that. Cut that off and they got the maximum value. Okay? It's just one scam that these fuckers do over and over again. And it. Yeah, it is for money, but at the top levels. Do money is secrets of the real currency at the top tippy. Top levels.

[Jamie]

Right. But what do you. So what do you think it is? What do you think is going on?

[Joe Rogan]

I think a fucking cult of basically there's like two races of Humans on the earth. And it's not based on skin color or any shit. It's based on a psychology, okay? And there's people that can pull the trigger, people that can't. And there's people got to be trained and conditioned to do it, and people that don't have to be and all that royalty. Don't know why we still have that in the world at all. I don't know why anybody thinks that's, you know, the commies are bad. Why are there kings at all? Anyone? Anyone? Why do you like that shit? It's crazy. It's inbred people that are so fucking inbred. That's probably why they look like fucking reptiles if you. That's why their heads aren't shaped fucking right. And they think they're the great. They think that they come from a different lineage than you. And so there's all kinds of stupid cults all over the place that have these, like, you know, everybody can. Can pin it on the Jews, like, and like, oh, they think they're chosen. But that's all the cults, man. That's. All of them think they're the chosen ones. The Mormons think it.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

The Jehovah's thought it.

[Jamie]

Catholics.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, why would you be in it if you're not the one who's Right. So I don't even hold that against nobody. But where, you know, you're dealing with fucking lizard people, metaphorically. But maybe real is the obsession with their bloodline, and they've got a divine right to do this or that. When you hear people talking about their divine right to fucking kill you or do whatever, there's. Your problem is not, you know, you hear about bloodlines, it sounds. So it's just royalty. And you don't get to know, by the way, who, like, the real powers are. We're like a Raj state, like India, the world. I mean, you know what I mean?

[Jamie]

Right, Right, right. So if that's the case, and we both agree that's the case, so what is the UAP thing?

[Joe Rogan]

Probably a bunch of different stuff. There's probably drones. There's probably just orbs that. Plasma physics, by the way. I would tell everybody, read Joseph P. Farrell, because that's. The guy's got some of the best work on that plasma, the fourth state of matter that in school they didn't teach us about for some reason. Reason there's gas, liquid, solid. Right. The three states. No, there's four, and the fourth one is plasma, which I would describe imperfectly as like if you heat up gas till it's like the steam of steam or something. Plasma, the fourth state of matter. That's what everything has to do with.

[Jamie]

And that is that like 90 something percent of the universe.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And by the way, there's cold plasma and hot plasma. You could make an AI look up.

[Jamie]

What percentage of the universe, universe consists of plasma.

[Joe Rogan]

So why would I not learn that in school when I learned the other things? Because they didn't want you looking into it. They classified an area of physics for 80 years. For sure. That's what the Nazis were doing with their stupid bell was plasma and plasma. Plasma, that's the thing. Plasma. Lex Friedman's dad's a plasma physicist. I was trying to ask him about it when I got interrupted by the.

[Jamie]

Okay. Plasma makes up about 99 or more of the visible ordinary matter in the universe. Universe. Whoa.

[Joe Rogan]

So.

[Jamie]

So nearly all the stuff that is not dark matter or dark energy is in a plasma state. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

So you could make a. I thought you could make a really cool AI with plasma if you knew how to manipulate it. Right.

[Jamie]

That is a crazy statement.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll bet some freak in an underground base knows how to upload their consciousness into some shitty plasma plasma thing.

[Jamie]

You think so?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's what Lucifer, I think is a plasma ball of inverted souls, which they're going to tell you is Jesus. And it's not, by the way, anybody telling you that a man made AI Jesus is a Jesus. I mean, that's a Luciferian. That's how you spot them.

[Jamie]

So, you know, then I'm a Luciferian because I've been telling people that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you hang out with tech people and you're probably beaming.

[Jamie]

It's just a silly idea that I had. The silly idea is that AI is going to make better versions of AI and if it just keeps doing that, ultimately it's going to be like a good.

[Joe Rogan]

That means it's already happened and it probably is there. And that's. Why are you.

[Jamie]

I don't think it's happened because I don't think they have the power source for it yet. But I think once they figure that out, they will.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think they can make an AI come to life. But here's one thing. Well, I don't think they have yet. They're faking it with Indians in a room half the time. Okay, I don't know if you know, the scale level of scam here is glorified bots, but what you could do. Here's something you could do. You could take octopus. You know, an octopus's brain is spread out. There's a lot of, you know, like that butterfly that it's. They grow brain tissue on a chip and it thinks it's a butterfly. You've seen that?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

So that right there, that's how they do it. But it can't create life from nothing. That's the thing that they can't do. Not.

[Jamie]

Not life from nothing. But the idea is it creates a digital artificial life and that this digital artificial life, it just keeps improving upon it. It doesn't even have to have a physical form. It just has to be capable of doing. Doing things of automation. I mean, if it's one gigantic computer and like uses automation and uses machines to create better versions, uses them to design better construction methods, better metallurgy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. I've heard this and you've heard them talk about it. They don't say it's going to be good.

[Jamie]

They know it's going to be good either. But what I'm saying is that if that keeps going, it's on almost like a God, if it just keeps getting.

[Joe Rogan]

More and more powerful. They say that literally, it's going to be like a God. But I'm just saying that wouldn't be Jesus. That would be crazy.

[Jamie]

Well, whatever Jesus was, I'm sure Jesus isn't a guy.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't. When people are you Jim Carrey guy where he's like the Christ secretion.

[Jamie]

What's that?

[Joe Rogan]

You ever seen Jim Carrey blather about the Christ secretion on Norm MacDonald?

[Jamie]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Adam Egan forgot about this.

[Jamie]

What was he saying?

[Joe Rogan]

He's explaining how what Christ really is. This is a secretion from your. Dude, it's Rosicrucian horseshit. Okay? They all about alchemy. People are in alchemy.

[Jamie]

There's a tremendous amount of support for the idea that it was a real person. So the question is how much of what he said and what he did, which was all relayed after his death, how much of that was accurate and what was he.

[Joe Rogan]

Here's the main point of Jesus. And I wouldn't say because I have a strong feeling that the Bible has a lot of Epstein redactions. You know, I feel like we only have parts of the. It's. You should think of the Bible as a library, not as a book. That's what Bible means. It means a library. So it's a bunch of books. The whole point of the books.

[Jamie]

Not even that. Some of those books are banned, just like the library.

[Joe Rogan]

They weren't Banned.

[Jamie]

The Book of Enoch was.

[Joe Rogan]

It wasn't banned. Well, it just wasn't put in.

[Jamie]

It wasn't put in the canon initially was.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, so. So. But why did they make the canon. They made the whole point of that library.

[Jamie]

What rabbis?

[Joe Rogan]

The reason it.

[Jamie]

That's how the Book of Enoch got removed. It was the decision of a few rabbis. Well, all I know didn't align with the Torah.

[Joe Rogan]

That. Why would the Catholic. You're telling me, the Christian.

[Jamie]

But way back in the day, like before all that, this is in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It exists, and then when it gets to the Old Testament, it doesn't exist anymore. And the references in the Old Testament, there's like a reference to Enoch and.

[Joe Rogan]

Then there's In Jude.

[Jamie]

There is, yeah. So. But it was a part of their canon, the Ethiopian Bible. It still exists.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Theirs is a little bit wilder, but.

[Jamie]

They had the old one.

[Joe Rogan]

Look, the bottom line is the whole purpose of the library, we'll call it. So you understand it's a bunch of books, is to just show the lineage of Jesus, to justify Jesus being the Messiah. That's the whole point of what the book. So all the stories in there, if they're weird or whatever, the only reason they're in there is to. Is to show you a line. I'm not saying that's true or not. I'm just saying that's what the point of it is.

[Jamie]

Okay, that's maybe the New Testament you're talking about then. No, the whole thing is Jesus's post New Testament.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a lot like the Dune series. It's about the Queensatz Hatterhead. Okay. And. And so now you'll hear a lot of people tell you, like, Caesar's Messiah kind of shit. In fact, I don't. You never talk to the Coen brothers, have you?

[Jamie]

No. I love those guys, though.

[Joe Rogan]

So see, Hail Caesar. I like that movie a lot. I didn't like when I first saw Nice.

[Jamie]

Which one's Hail Caesar?

[Joe Rogan]

The one with Clooney as the Roman. It's about. But the guy plays Thanos, plays a studio fixer named Mike Mannix.

[Jamie]

Oh, that's. That's like one of the rare ones that I never saw.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so 2016 critics didn't like it because they were like, first of all, this Mannix guy was a piece of shit in real life. At the end, he goes to work for Lockheed in the movie, by the way. Or he decides not to. To still work for the movies. And it makes it kind of idealized. And people were like offended. But I think if I, if I could ask him, I think that the movie's not, not about that. What it's actually about is Caesar's Messiah, which is the idea that Caesar invented the whole idea of Jesus. And I think they're telling that story through this 50s story just from watching it, because there's a whole part where Joseph the notary, played by Jonah Hill and Scarjo's pregnant by some director and he, he says he's the dad on a stamp. I think they're trying to tell that story. Now. I don't believe the Caesar's Messiah thing because it's too much of a, of one thing people will tell you is it definitely spread very quickly. Okay. And people that think he's real or not Christianity spread pretty quick. I think it's populism. I think that's what spread because Christianity is populism. And what, what do rich oligarchs hate the most? They hate populism. That's why they like a Lindsey Graham Republican and not a what Trump pretended to be Republican, because they hate. Populism is an insult word that they invented. And what is populism? That's when all the blacks and whites, everybody stops fighting about horseshit.

[Jamie]

But if that's the case, why did Rome adopt Christianity?

[Joe Rogan]

Because he had no choice. The Mithra cult, first of all. So the, the Mithraism, which like Persia had already probably infiltrated by that time. Think of it as the Freemasonry or the, or the Bohemian Grove of its time. That's Mithraism. So now I gotta absorb this populous cause and I have to absorb its energy and disperse it through my kingdom. And they did.

[Jamie]

Okay?

[Joe Rogan]

So like they always, always do any real movement, it will be appropriated by the powers and they will twist it. Because in Christianity, you, you really can't be a soldier for America. Like, that's not. That does not align with Christianity at all. Conquest and.

[Jamie]

Right, right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

You're not allowed to kill Christians for your country if you're a Christian. I'm not saying I'm a Christian because I'm not. Sometimes I act like a Christian, but most of the time I do not. So I would never say that, you know, Right. But think of the fucking crazy people running like, that's what TPUSA is so fucked. When I watch it is like, yo, ain't nobody a Christian in that shit. Not one motherfucker there is a fucking Christian. It's a collection of intel and socio political shit and a money scam. Like all Politics, like all. Like all of them. But that's. That's the Republican one. And it's real creepy if you watch it.

[Jamie]

I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, well, you know, what do you watch?

[Jamie]

What do you watch is creepy about it?

[Joe Rogan]

You don't watch AM Fest. Well, I know when my father any.

[Jamie]

Of that shit anymore, so. When my father died, swearing off of all of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you think this is creepy to. Your husband dies, he come out in a sparkly outfit with fireworks shooting off like you're fucking Tony Hinchcliffe in a stadium show.

[Jamie]

The memes are amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Most people mourning. And then her.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Was it. Now's a good time to bring the spectacle back to rock. I guess. Guess. Oh, they set up the tent where he got killed to take selfies in. Does that seem odd to anybody? The tent where Charlie Kirk got killed, it was at AM Fest. You could take a selfie in it. What? Yeah.

[Jamie]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but Candace is a grifter.

[Jamie]

Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, and this sucks too, by the way.

[Jamie]

But replica of the booth Charlie coup.

[Joe Rogan]

Was what I've heard it was the real one. But either way, there's no good explanation for doing that.

[Jamie]

Oh, my God, they gotta prove me wrong. Booth now, by the way, set up where Charlie Kirk was assassinated in as a fan photo booth. That is nuts. But it's also.

[Joe Rogan]

It's called Apotheosis.

[Jamie]

Hold on. But it also is a replica of the booth that he used to do his show in.

[Joe Rogan]

That's one.

[Jamie]

Right. But it's also. He did hundreds of shows in that booth other than the one he got killed. And it could be people that want to take a picture of it because they were a fan of his show.

[Joe Rogan]

Now if you look.

[Jamie]

It's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I hate. But still, I hate magical occult shit. Even though for some reason in the course of studying, trying to find out for a joke about the tall white aliens were. That's how I started out because it sounded so funny to me that there's like these taller, whiter things in charge.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Nordics.

[Joe Rogan]

Not Nordics.

[Jamie]

Nordics and tall whites.

[Joe Rogan]

The tall whites are out here. But there's insane overlap. Dude, there's a crazy overlap between that and wizard bow. Okay, they probably are wizards.

[Jamie]

That's probably where it came from.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So you gotta get. Well, I'm not saying you specifically, but everybody's gotta get over the idea. It's like the label. The words are just like conceptual prisons. There's concepts flying around. You imprison them in a Word, right? And that's why you're not supposed to say the name of God. And, you know, because that would impose limits on the infinite. So that's, like, blasphemous, right? When people see these things and there's a lot of stories of this. A friend of mine, Nathan, Daniel Gillis, who my fans call Smart Shane, he's had him on Terp with Kerp. It's like, ask Smart Shane about that. But how do you put it to me recently? He goes, a lot of these plasma, they're like compressed entities. So the sigil is a big, important part of it. A crop circle is a sigil, or a brand is a sigil. But think of it as, like, information being stored on something. And they're like these plasma compressed. And so because they're, like, in a dimension above you, you basically, you got to be groomed with movies and fantasy so that you. When I look through your head and project myself through it, you can project a form onto me. Do you know what I mean? It sounds kind of weird, but, like, think of the Adam and Eve, their. Their ability to name the animals. That was their job. It sounds kind of hokey, but I think it has to do with something like, you know, quantum theory, where the thing's not there till you look at it, or when you do DMT and they go, look at the this. Because they don't exist until you look at them and they know it. So they need to exist. And your attention, your focus. So consciousness. Yeah. These are just stupid plasma blobs, probably a lot of these things, but they could. If I'm in a dimension above you and I could look in your fucking brain, I can see, okay, this guy has patterns for a religious thing or an alien thing, and I can appear to you as that, right? Ooh. So something with that. I'm not saying that's the whole thing, but there's definitely a part of it that's.

[Jamie]

That that makes sense. Hold that thought. Yeah, hold that thought because I have to piss.

[Joe Rogan]

I do, too.

[Jamie]

Okay, good, Perfect. Hold that thought. Okay, where were we at exactly? Things they repeat appear either as religion or as alien, depending on secular or religious.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, yeah.

[Jamie]

We'll be right back, folks. All right, we're back. So, Jamie, explain this to everybody.

[Research Assistant]

These guys run a podcast called From First Principles. I think there's some physics nerds, okay. And they're explaining the relevancy of the professor who was killed. And I think this was recorded before he died. But it's very interesting.

[Jamie]

I'll Tell you that.

[Expert Guest]

Things. Yeah, that happens in the 21st century. Quite an amazing story. Nuno Loreo, MIT professor. This is the paper that makes him famous.

[Jamie]

Okay. Okay.

[Expert Guest]

This is the one that has the most citations. He was at ppl at the time.

[Jamie]

Prison.

[Expert Guest]

Prison Plasma Physics Lab. This is the one that puts him on the map of plasma physics. Cuz he solves this 50 year old problem.

[Joe Rogan]

Problem.

[Jamie]

Not bad, not bad, not bad, not bad.

[Expert Guest]

Then he became a professor at MIT. Became full professor. And in 2004 he was the director of the Plasma Science Infusion center at mit. And that MIT psfc.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Expert Guest]

Spun out and created Commonwealth Fusion Systems, which is designing something called Spark. It is a small fusion reactor. I mean this. It looks kind of. Of big. Yeah, mate, Compared to like, compared to fusion reactors. That is small. Okay, That's. That, that is. That is quite small. The goal is to be the first device to achieve a Q factor greater than 1. A Q factor is basically net energy gain.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Expert Guest]

Which is how much energy you put in, how much do you get out. The ratio of that. If you have greater than one, then whatever is that greater than one you can use to power a turbo turbine which creates electricity effectively. What they're trying to do is have these magnets go at 12 Tesla. 12 Tesla is insanely strong.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Expert Guest]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Expert Guest]

Several orders of magnitude above the magnetic field of the Earth. And what they're doing is using these magnets to confine the plasma into a donut, spin it around really fast.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Expert Guest]

And then. And then have that plasma in that spinning, do the fusion.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Expert Guest]

So the hydrogen is going to combine to make helium, release a bunch of energy, and then that energy is going to be used to create electricity.

[Joe Rogan]

They're going to try to capture.

[Jamie]

And the point is you need that.

[Joe Rogan]

12 Tesla because you need to be able to confine.

[Expert Guest]

Confine it. Plasma. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's. That's the reason for that scale.

[Expert Guest]

Exactly. And at that scale, all of a sudden Lorero's legacy matters. Right. All of the theories that he's. He's posited at these like high Lundquist numbers.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Expert Guest]

That. That's what matters. So any, any code that you have to contain the plasma needs to rely on his theory.

[Jamie]

We hope that those around him at.

[Joe Rogan]

The lab, you know, once grieving has passed, you know, continue to aggressively pursue his vision.

[Expert Guest]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And. And, and the work that he's already done, because it's.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a huge foundation. Yeah.

[Expert Guest]

Yeah. I mean it's. It's amazing, you know, and it could change the World.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Fun fact. It was after, by the way, Fun Fact and that' Joseph P. Farrell. I can't recommend him enough. Joseph. Dr. Joseph Farrell. The Nazi bell they supposedly found. That's what that bell supposedly did. It spun plasma in a field like that. So the idea has been around forever. If this guy. I think it's been cracked.

[Jamie]

How did you hear that? That the Nazi bell was a plasma field?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, okay, so the guy that wrote the book about the Nazi bell. The book came out in the 70s, but. And also I had the. Oh, dude, I fucking feel bad. I'm forgetting the guy's name. He's from the FBI. He studied the. The Sonoma Aero Club and the nimsa, which was another arrow. This is before the Wright brothers and shit. Walter Bosley, ex FBI guy who did a lot of great work studying this shit about these arrow clubs. Remember the airship mysteries of the 1800s? Okay, so there's one where the thing lands and the guy says, yeah, man, back east is financing this. And it's JP Morgan is who the guy was talking about. And so later the Wright brothers. The Wright brothers weren't the first people to fly. I highly doubt they were.

[Jamie]

Really.

[Joe Rogan]

You got to look up nimsa. Walter Bosley. Great work, Joseph P. Farrell. Great fucking work. And Bozzi was on my show. I haven't gotten Farrell on, but I want to. And then Dark Journalist dude is how I discovered. Well, I learned to. Joseph B. Farrell before that. But Dark Journalist Channel, that guy does killer work. I don't know. I look a lot of good shit too, but plasma physics, the bottom line. Plasma has been.

[Jamie]

Nazi bell.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There was supposedly a rotating plasma.

[Jamie]

Right? So who wrote about that?

[Joe Rogan]

The initial book about the bell? I can't remember, but Joe Farrell wrote a bunch of books about it.

[Jamie]

And what did they demon in the.

[Joe Rogan]

In the I core or E core, it's called. That's the book you should get about it.

[Jamie]

What was the science? Like, how did they. What were they trying to do and what were they using?

[Joe Rogan]

Because if you can rotate a plasma.

[Jamie]

Like that, like how did the Nazis get plasma into this bell? Like, what are they doing?

[Joe Rogan]

It sounded very much like what they were talking about.

[Jamie]

Right, but we're talking about 1944.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You need electrical field like a. I forget 12 Tesla or whatever he said. I don't really know what any of those measurements mean, but you just need the field to contain it. And then you rotate it, you get something called torsion physics, which.

[Jamie]

So the bell is like. To contain the plasma. What Is the conventional description for the. That Nazi bell thing. What do they think it is?

[Research Assistant]

I don't. What do you mean?

[Joe Rogan]

They said it didn't work or something.

[Research Assistant]

I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you had Jay from Project Unity on talking about it.

[Jamie]

Did he talk about the Nazi bill?

[Joe Rogan]

He talked about some good dude because he saw orbs.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

My girl had an orb over her one. She tells me casually tells me this story. I know. I accuse her of cheating. I go, what do you love that word? Did you. That orb. I just. I just get jealous.

[Jamie]

What is the. The conventional explanation for the. Find out if it's the Nazi bill.

[Research Assistant]

Why it's even known to. I don't know if it's.

[Jamie]

Is it real?

[Joe Rogan]

And supposedly the Kecksburg acorn, which is the UFO that landed in Pennsylvania.

[Jamie]

Which one's that?

[Joe Rogan]

If you look up Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, acorn, there's this thing that appeared in the 70s that supposedly is the Nazi bell that had traveled through time. Yeah. Now I. That's. That's kind of far out. Out. But that's what. Yeah. You never heard of this? No.

[Research Assistant]

Either.

[Jamie]

What is that?

[Research Assistant]

I will say this. I also saw this on the Internet first.

[Jamie]

That looks like a clay pottery.

[Joe Rogan]

There's the.

[Sponsor Voice]

Right.

[Research Assistant]

This looks fake as well.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's probably fake.

[Research Assistant]

But they say it's a picture of the bell. I write.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that was the. The. Oh, that's Kecksburg.

[Jamie]

Oh, I want that to be real so bad.

[Research Assistant]

It looks fake.

[Jamie]

It looks so fake. Well, you know, it looks like a kid made it, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine Star Trek. Okay? Imagine they're on their five year mission, but nobody on Earth knows Star Trek is a thing. That's what's probably happening. Zoom in on that.

[Jamie]

Zoom in on that again. The bell. Look, how crazy.

[Research Assistant]

The same writing on it.

[Jamie]

God, I want that to be real.

[Research Assistant]

But I also just noticed this. The corner of the picture. I think it says Kecksberg on it.

[Jamie]

Oh, Keck the frog.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, that's supposed to be a photo.

[Jamie]

They're with you?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Research Assistant]

So this is a. Says it's a photo. The photo has a caption here. Says right Pat? If it's handwritten.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Look at the photo again. I mean, photo, Right. The photo looks fake.

[Joe Rogan]

It does, doesn't it?

[Research Assistant]

AI and then printed.

[Jamie]

It looks really fake.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it looks extremely fake.

[Jamie]

It looks very fake. But God, I want it to be real so bad. I'm like trying to find a way that it's real.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they just executed a guy who was making breakthroughs in plasma that supposedly Already happened in Germany.

[Jamie]

Not only that, he's the same guy that went to Brown University. Supposedly he executed someone there too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it is. I thought it wasn't.

[Jamie]

I think they thought it was the same guy and then he killed himself.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, find that.

[Jamie]

Search that. Because I think that is the case. I think that is what. At least that's what they're saying.

[Joe Rogan]

What the purpose of MK was, right? It was to make spies sex people. That could change. Like I'm gay or I'm straight, depending on what you need to get the info. I can kill you. I could do it and not really remember it. That was the whole point of the Manchurian Candidate Program, which we started doing because supposedly the Asians were doing it, the commies. But no, it's an old art that comes from a long time ago, going back to Egypt.

[Jamie]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie]

Egyptians did it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, dude. Windows on the World. Another great. The mark Windows I had on Derby Curb. And that guy is great because he really. He has a video called Egyptian Crowd Control and he explained Waynes a society.

[Jamie]

Based on OCD Brown shooting suspect grueling academic climate may have taken mental toll, says ex classmates. Yeah, Claudio Valente. And one of the victims was he bullied FG Lorio. Both studied at notoriously challenging Technico de Lisbon.

[Research Assistant]

Yeah, we just watched the video about.

[Jamie]

So the guy that we just watched the video of about is. They. Him and that guy both were at the same university. So he killed that guy. They are saying he killed that guy. Right. So he killed both that guy and the person at.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. How many weird shootings are we up to now where there's all these weird details and we should shut up about it?

[Jamie]

That is. That is a weird one.

[Joe Rogan]

The guy that shot Trump's ear, remember that one? I guess we should forget about it.

[Jamie]

They both graduated in 2000. Contemporaries of the two men described the academic environment as emotionally grueling. Only one was willing to go on the record, but several others expressed similar opinions. He was described as brilliant and competitive, but willing to help his colleagues out. He finished top of his class with an average grade of 19 out of 20. Unusually high score for Technico Laurio, who was said to be an excellent student but more easygoing than Valente. Finished with an Average grade of 16 out of 1020. Which one's L' Oreal died?

[Research Assistant]

The MIT professor.

[Jamie]

Wow. So he was the less good student. So this guy was probably pissed at the less good student. That's why he whacked him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. No, I'm sure, that's why not. Not anything to do with plasma physics.

[Jamie]

Having known Claudio and having had a good relationship with him, we can't find any other explanation than a serious mental health problem exacerbated by resentment for not having achieved the academic career he dreamed. Dreamed of.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at my jerk off motions I'm making while you say that.

[Jamie]

You don't believe it?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jamie]

You think it's MK Ultra?

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, what happened to the guy that blew his Tesla truck up and then they said he was mad because the kid wasn't his and it was happening to that guy. I don't know.

[Jamie]

He went away quick.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember Sean Ryan had the goods and we never heard about it again.

[Jamie]

Didn't Sean Ryan get a letter from the guy or something?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, a letter of nonsense and then he said he had some kind and we just never spoke about it again.

[Research Assistant]

I did come up with that small the. The Minnesota conspiracy too, because some remember there was like a guy that killed someone that voted in the.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. That's right. You're right about that.

[Research Assistant]

He had a letter I just was reading.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God, it's fucking. You know what I saw when we.

[Jamie]

Were looking at that Minnesota one is nuts. Because the lady that was whacked was the one lady that didn't vote for health care.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right.

[Jamie]

For the illegal.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

And she was. You ever see the speech that she gave? How terrified she was?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Jamie]

When she gave this, literally her voice was cracking. I know some are going to be harmed by this.

[Joe Rogan]

It reminded me of Charlie Kirk's final text messages about how they think they're yo. The things that we covered this on Jimmy's show for three weeks before he died. They were all piling on him that he's an anti Semite because he had Dave Smith on and fucking. This is Laura Loomer, that piece of shit. She goes, why don't you admit you're an anti Semite? I don't think Charlie Kirk was an anti Semite. He called it ethnic cleansing on Patrick Bet Valley's show.

[Jamie]

Called what? Ethnic cleansing.

[Joe Rogan]

Gaza.

[Jamie]

Oh, right.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a big no, no. And then his funders were like, hey, what if you die? Who's going to take over? That's the first thing they say to you when you come in.

[Jamie]

He also said, was there a stand down? Was there a stand down order? He talked about that on. On Patrick Bet David, I guess.

[Joe Rogan]

What if you watch Israeli news, there was. It's called the Hannibal Direct.

[Jamie]

Go back to that. Jamie, what were you pulling up? What Were you showing us?

[Research Assistant]

This is. It's typed out here, obviously, but it says this is the handwritten original.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Lance Bolter. This maniac?

[Research Assistant]

Yeah, he's trained. He said Tim Waltz wanted this done.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right.

[Jamie]

Well, he says, dear Cash Patel, my name is Dr. Vance Luther Boltler. Bolter. Bolter. E D. What is that? Ed D. What is that?

[Research Assistant]

I think an education degree.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, don't bother.

[Jamie]

I am the shooter at at large in Minnesota involved in the. It says something. Shoe two shootings.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that. I was trained by military people off the book starting in college. That's a very common thing.

[Jamie]

I have been on projects since that time in Eastern Europe, North America, Middle east and Africa. All in the line of doing what I thought was right in the best interest of the United States. Recently I was approached about a project that Tim Waltz wanted done and I. Blank, Blank, Blank and Keith Blank, Blank, blank. We're also aware of the project. Tim wanted me to kill Amy Klobuchar and Tina Blank. Tim wants to be a senator and doesn't trust Blank to retire as planned and thinks she is going to stay on at the last minute. With Amy Blank gone, Tim would get one of the gen gen Senate seats and Blank wants to be governor and Keith Ellison Spelling and co. Correct. Would be rewarded with a lieutenant governor's position. I told Tim I wanted nothing to do with it and if he didn't call off that plan, I would go public. He said he would call it hurt my. He would call it hurt my family if I did sic play ball. Then he set up a meeting with me and Mel, Blank and Blank to talk about options when I. They had some people waiting to kill. Kill me. Okay. When I did, I guess I was able to get away by God's mercy. So I went back a short time later and shot both at both blank and blank. You should notice how I didn't fire one round at any police officers. And boy, did I have plenty of opportunity. Asked for the report on how many weapons and ammunition I had with me. Cops were pulling up right next to me in their vehicles and I had an AK pistol aimed right at her head. And I could have left a pile of cops dead, but I did shoot one bullet towards law enforcement.

[Joe Rogan]

You can ask.

[Jamie]

I think he says I did not. Yeah, you can ask them because I support the police and didn't want them hurt. They're hurting my wife and kids. Next time I won't give them a pass. Okay, then ask Tim Walsh if he knows me and see what he says. If he says he doesn't know me or never met me. Look in the files and you will see that Tim Walls personally appointed me as to be on his governor's workforce board as one of the business representatives. He is probably trying to destroy that info but it's public record. Then asked Tim Waltz why they kept the shots silent from the media when they first happened. Not a word in the press about it. Why they needed to get their stories figured out first so everyone was on the same page about in quotes what happened. Tim is probably crapping bricks right now because I'm still at large and he knows what I can do and that I know about where all the buried skeletons are. So I'll be at shot on site. You can bet on that. I will be shot on site. First of all, is this a legitimate letter that was sent to Cash Patel? Did this actually get sent. Is this. Is this true?

[Joe Rogan]

Looks like no.

[Jamie]

But what do we know about this?

[Research Assistant]

This is from.

[Jamie]

This is not misinformation. Talk of the mic. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jamie]

Yeah. This is the actual letter. He's this crazy guy sent it to the FBI.

[Research Assistant]

Whether or not it's real, you know does.

[Jamie]

Right. So here's the next question. Did this guy actually work for the governor's office? Did you actually work for Tim Waltz?

[Joe Rogan]

Well that.

[Jamie]

This is all the suspect details. What he did.

[Research Assistant]

Yeah, that's. He's claiming it's like secret. That's kind of what he was.

[Jamie]

He claiming it's secret. So.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he said something you could check but by the way, this is a. A drop in the bucket of this.

[Jamie]

I understand. But I want to know if he's completely crazy, if he never really worked with him, if he just made all this up.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie]

Because that is possible. The guy's out of his mind. He shows up at someone's house with a mask on. It's clearly out of his mind. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean you'd be surprised what out of people out of your mind people were.

[Jamie]

That's true. That's true. But I mean open mind. Right. The guy might have just been out of his mind and never met Tim. Was Waltz. This. It could be total bullshit.

[Joe Rogan]

I guess. I don't. I doubt it very much.

[Jamie]

I don't know. Said the attack appears to be politically motivated assassination. This is what Tim Walsh said. State officials and authorities early on Saturday encountered what appeared to be a police vehicle with emergency lights flashing in the driveway. Representative Melissa Hortman's house. Officers at the home saw Boatler dressed as a police officer. Shoot an adult man through the open front door, according to a criminal complaint of a Obtained by the Minnesota star tribune. Suspect exchanged gunfire with police and ran into the house. So he did exchange gunfire, according to this. Ultimately disappearing from the area, according to the complaint. We don't know if that's true. Hortman, the top democrat in the Minnesota house, and her husband were both killed at a nearby home. Senator. State senator John Huffman and his wife were also shot but are in stable condition after surgery. So. And that lady who got killed was the one lady who voted against it. And that. I sent you that, right, Jamie?

[Joe Rogan]

A long time ago. You sent me that.

[Jamie]

Yeah. That one's kind of crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. No. Vance Bolton. Real weird.

[Jamie]

You see her talking about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. She looks still a bit. Bit upset.

[Jamie]

Yeah, she's like super shooken up that she made that vote. And, you know, she. She looked like legitimately nervous service.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you ever seen the guy from Utah? His last name's. I want to say Ron. Leave it. His last name's. Leave it. And he's the D. A. That called the press conference to announce that he's not a satanic cannibal. To get ahead of. No. And by the way, no one was accusing him of that. So people took it real weird. They were like, why would you come out and say something like that?

[Jamie]

Tell me this. What is. Why do some people not want to even consider. Consider the idea that someone was assassinated at the behest of powerful people?

[Joe Rogan]

Because they're programmed not to. That's why it's called programming. And it works, right? It's worked the whole time.

[Jamie]

They're programmed to think there's just one sick individual who commits these crimes and has nothing to do with powerful people.

[Joe Rogan]

How'd Jerry Sandusky get away with it? How did they look? Think of the classic spotlight. Because Barry crimmin's a good friend of mine. I remember Barry. I remember asking about. He goes, like, I wouldn't throw my. You know, I do real work with people, so if I just get behind a thing, I could cost my credibility because I have to, like, really help. Actually. We went on tour and he. Every town dude I met people that he helped navigate the fucked up legal system that sucks ass. Okay. It was like knowing the equalizer from that show. The equalizer. But there's also a side of Barry that was four years old forever. Okay. Because of what happened. That's what happens in trauma. Trauma. A party who freezes at that age. Yeah. And especially at 4. That's like a split? You split? And that's a real thing? They said it was debunked for quite some time, but I met some people with Barry and he had helped these girl. I can't remember where we were. I want to say it was Pennsylvania, but I might be wrong. But they. Their dad was the mayor and they had repressed memories, they told me. And he helped them with all their legal. And I think they got some kind of justice, but I thought that was debunked. Epigenetics, it's called now, by the way. It's a legitimate thing. Generational trauma around 20. Whenever BLM happened. If you look in 2011, that's made up. There's no such thing. But all of a sudden, around BLM times, general generational trauma is real. It's called epigenetics. The reason it's called Project Monarch is because the monarch, the butterflies, can genetically transfer information. Like learned information, information, you know, and you'll see all that butterfly. King Charles has that butterfly on his shoulder and his weird meat picture, right? He's got a little monarch on his shoulder.

[Jamie]

That's what that's about?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think so. I mean, you don't gotta take my word for it. Consult your local library. Anyway, I got. I just finally got this in the mail, but I got you one.

[Jamie]

What is it?

[Joe Rogan]

Mormon Monarch junior Sweet. And he explains a lot of. About the more MEs and the program he was in. And I fucking can't. Yo, we put this way, if you ever wonder what was inside of Mount Shasta, it ain't the Lemurians, put it that way.

[Jamie]

I don't know what you just said.

[Joe Rogan]

You know about Mount Shasta?

[Jamie]

Shit, I have no idea. What. You just went on the most off tangent. Different. If I had. If you just dragged me into the woods with that conversation, I would never get home.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Monarch is the MK Ultra continuation that we know happened. It got discovered closed.

[Jamie]

What does that have to do with this?

[Joe Rogan]

This guy was stuck in the Lemurians. Well, Mount Shasta was. We have a base in Mount Shasta. As you know, he has a whole chapter in there about going inside Mountain.

[Jamie]

I didn't know that. We have a base in Mount Shasta.

[Joe Rogan]

You haven't heard of Shasta? Like just based on pure, like ufo and it's very famous.

[Jamie]

Probably. I maybe have forgot it.

[Joe Rogan]

The famous story. There's a story where a kid like he got his grandmother, they had bites on their neck when they woke up camping. And the kid, he walked off without.

[Jamie]

Someone, like a vampire. Bite.

[Joe Rogan]

They. They thought it was like a spider or something. But this little kid, he thought it was his grandmother. And he said, he goes, I like. I like her, his real grandma, better than the mean grandma that took him. And they made him on a sticky paper in a cake. Dude, it's crazy. I thought you've already heard this story from a guest.

[Jamie]

This is what he always does. He tells you something completely insane. He's like, oh, you don't know. You don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

I learned who shut off your show.

[Jamie]

A lot of thought he heard.

[Joe Rogan]

Heard it here. I thought I did.

[Jamie]

You might have. So she, He. He had a. On something, a piece of paper like.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I think they wanted a sample.

[Jamie]

Yes, a poop sample.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a famous Shasta. Shasta has so much. There's a lot of cults around. Shasta.

[Jamie]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. It goes back the. The history of it goes back a long way.

[Jamie]

And why do you think that is? You think they're doing like mental experiments in the town, on the town?

[Joe Rogan]

Something is there in the mountain already. I don't know exactly, exactly what it is, but something bad is already there.

[Jamie]

Like a UFO base. Do you think any of the UAP shit is actual aliens?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, I don't fucking know. Because.

[Jamie]

Or actual interdimensional creatures.

[Joe Rogan]

So let's be the most conservative and say there was never a mass mind control thing. And only a few rogue psychologists planted false memories in some people's heads, right? That's what they say, right? Some bad psychologists planted fake memories of abuse in their heads. Now, you've already told me if you're saying that as the. The normal explanation. So it's possible to do that. So you're telling me I could, if I was a shitty psychiatrist and I had new hypnosis, right? I could make you think you went on a fucking secret mission to Mars and you would feel like it's real. And I could say you were satanically abused and you would have those memories as if it really happened. So if that power is real, what are the odds that it was just a few psychologists or the United States fucking government? Because. Because I'm going to bet on the government. So there's no telling, dude, because if.

[Jamie]

I can, those two ideas aren't mutually exclusive. Like, just because the government can put like, satanic cult ideas into your head, it doesn't mean that you haven't had an experience with some sort of interdimensional or extraterrestrial ancestry.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good point.

[Jamie]

And that erased your memory, right?

[Joe Rogan]

You don't got to tell me and my dolphin wife.

[Jamie]

The problem is that hypnotic regression is like, you are open to suggestion and you have to kind of listen to what these people are saying. Saying the.

[Joe Rogan]

The weird stuff is this.

[Jamie]

The weird stuff is the people that didn't have hypnotic regression that have the same stories as the people with hypnotic regression from a long ass time ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, dude. Okay.

[Jamie]

There's a lot of weird ones.

[Joe Rogan]

What about. Okay, I got a great book by Michael Hoffman called the Twilight Language. The Twilight Language is in Buddhism and it kind of refers to a coded language, but it's nlp.

[Jamie]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Rogan]

What is nlp? I want to talk into your subcon. So when you see a pickup artist. So that Andrew. Andrew Taint, he had a nerd pickup artist that was like his court wizard. The guy called himself Iggy Semmelweiss. That's not his real name. He's some dork that would wear like Chinese shirts and a fedora. Yeah, yeah. And. And so Andrew Tate was a reality guy and it wasn't taken off. Then he gets this hypnotist who used to be in the Raj. Niche cult from Wild Wild country, if you ever saw that.

[Jamie]

Oh, I love that show.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they left out the stuff done to kids, by the way. And that cult, strangely.

[Jamie]

Oh, they left that out.

[Joe Rogan]

In the documentary, they imply people are just fucking in the streets in whatever this town was. They had kids. And if people are that loose with their sexuality in a hippie way there. What do you think happened with kids? Real bad stuff. And you can find those kids talking about it. Why it was left out, my guess is, is some liberal shit about, oh, this might support a QAnon. Right. Remember when you had fucking rosacea Fate?

[Jamie]

But hold on. The whole thing is so negative anyway.

[Joe Rogan]

But we still have to keep you from believing that your leaders would do things like you've heard of Aztecs doing. Your white leaders would not do Aztec shit. That's just what. What cartels do. And Africans.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but in the documentary they talk about how they poison the entire town.

[Joe Rogan]

It's still not as bad as wholesale trafficking of children.

[Jamie]

So you think that was a part of that whole cult was wholesale trafficking?

[Joe Rogan]

I believe 100% that was a part of it. Because if you got a sec. A weirdo cult like that with little kids.

[Jamie]

Kids, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Guess who gets attracted to that.

[Jamie]

I know, I understand. But why would they ever leave something like that out of a documentary?

[Joe Rogan]

Because the same reason Flint Dibble can't handle the idea that there was a Civilization before it might lead to Nazi rosacea like a little creep flint dibble. Do you understand how these people are? They think that you're not, but you might get the wrong idea and distrust authority if you think so. Because they don't want to start a satanic pain panic, right? They will purposely deny, like good liberals do. By the way, the conservative, if you like, who cares about Epstein. What are you talking about, dude? Why would you say something like that?

[Jamie]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

And people that I like say have said it to me.

[Jamie]

They're not thinking.

[Joe Rogan]

No, they're.

[Jamie]

They're just saying it. But I've heard so much.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like hypnosis.

[Jamie]

Oh, you think that's what it is?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, that's what tv. That's a scrying device, that thing. You got a North Korean doing good lately?

[Jamie]

I'm not paying attention.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, listen, if you. If you. I have to, because I don't have a bunch of money, so I gotta pay attention.

[Jamie]

Listen, I get it.

[Joe Rogan]

I've.

[Jamie]

I've been there. It's just like. I think you find out enough from your friends.

[Joe Rogan]

You remember the thing you sent me?

[Jamie]

Which one?

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, there's two things I don't want to forget. One is when that stupid feminist who said there's no genetic difference.

[Jamie]

Oh, that one's amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so that couple. Boy, that was a real fucking rabbit hole, those two.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's that trad couple, the Collins'. So first of all, that feminist. If you watch the video, the feminist was saying absolute stupid shit. It's a little disingenuous. It reminds me of a Ben Shapiro arguing with a stupid college kid. But he won't argue with somebody who knows anything, right? It's clear. Clearly they found this dumb bitch to put her out there. Because you could clear up the misconception in five seconds, sweetie. No, no, I'm not saying somebody's better or worse. I'm just saying genetically it's different just because you have a different color.

[Jamie]

I don't think they can find someone who's better. That's where I think you're wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

Find what?

[Jamie]

Someone who's better at being a journalist. That's where I think you're wrong. I think so many of those people are like her, where they're just indoctrinated into this certain way of thinking and talking. Talking. And they. They just wouldn't even imagine saying there's genetic differences in the races because so probably it's so Charles Murray, right? So problematic. You can get canceled for It. So they'll just spout out stuff that they haven't researched at all.

[Joe Rogan]

The bottom line is these two that are doing it, that are trad. Oh, yeah.

[Jamie]

They're not trad.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, they're. They're some bizarre atheists. They're called Techno puritans, in their words. Some book they think is divinely inspired is a goddamn eugenicist book from the 1800s.

[Jamie]

What is. What is that? What's the book?

[Joe Rogan]

Let's. Let's get it.

[Jamie]

Jamie will find it. Yeah, Jamie's on it. You can put your phone.

[Joe Rogan]

Nice. So. So fucking. I look up the guy who tweeted it. Catholic Z1 or whatever. For some reason, not to me, but my girlfriend. That guy's not Catholic. I don't know what the fuck he is. I think they gin that up to promote this gold of a video of an idiot they're talking to.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

The girl used to run something called. She used to manage Dialogue, which is called the Bilderberg of Tech for Peter Thiel. The dude is a Collins. I don't know if you know the history of the Collins family, but he's got to be that one because that's a real important bloodline.

[Jamie]

Well, let's find out if he is, otherwise we're going to get in trouble with him.

[Joe Rogan]

All right? I mean, Techno puritan sounds a little New England to me.

[Jamie]

It does, but I mean, you're accusing him of being a part of a notorious family. That might not be true.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean. Okay, well, I think it's likely, because why would you be hooked in with a secret invite only Bilderberg of tech group unless you were the secret of all these secret societies?

[Jamie]

They're billionaires.

[Joe Rogan]

Are they? Yo.

[Jamie]

Are they tech people?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, Duncan doesn't understand this.

[Jamie]

Are they rich at all? Do you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, they're. Yeah, the guy's a venture capitalist. You know the people that make everything good, right? You know why the doors fall off the planes? Because of those fucking people. So he's. That they're atheists, but. Oh. Do you know what they believe in the future? An AI is God.

[Jamie]

Oh, that's my religion.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's.

[Jamie]

It's.

[Joe Rogan]

It's called Luciferianism. I don't know if you know that.

[Jamie]

But I don't really believe that, folks. Well, get it together. I think God was already here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but I would say it's likely that it already was. But these maniacs think they're gonna make a God. Okay.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And I understand what they're saying as Far as, you know, if, let's say 10 years in the future, they create that AI that is like that dude. That means it has always happened. You can't think in past or future terms. Okay. So, you know, they go, are aliens us from the future? Well, maybe they're us from the past. That doesn't. You got to think of it as points in space and not nothing with the timeline, because that's not really how time works as you know. Right, right. So dinosaurs, they lived 150, whatever million years ago. Think of it as just like miles away instead of time because that really, if you're a five, the. You know, they go three spatial, one time dimension. The fourth, if you're the fifth one, which would be the one above that, that you don't think about it that way at all. Okay. So if at some point in the. In the timeline somebody invented that, that it has always happened.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You understand? So then a lot of these tech freaks who are like the things they're into are so crazy, but they believe shit like Kabbalah and memes and shit are being sent backwards and time.

[Jamie]

Oh, the cabal is a weird one. A really smart friend of mine gave me that to read.

[Joe Rogan]

I was like, okay, oh, well, it's a mind control method. All these things, all the symbols, they're. They're overlays for your brain. Okay, so you ever watch oh, Stranger Things you brought up. Right? So that's based on the montage.

[Jamie]

Did you know Will's gay?

[Joe Rogan]

No. Yeah. I didn't know any of them weeped. Okay. I didn't believe any of them. The whole time. I thought any. I assume anybody under 30 is gay.

[Jamie]

Okay, what does it say? Related through Malk. Related through Malcolm to Dallas's prominent column.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's that kind of Collins.

[Jamie]

The late Jim Collins. Malcolm, you are right. Malcolm's grandfather Simone, 29, and Malcolm, 30, are intent on acquiring an established company using what's called the search fund model.

[Research Assistant]

Yeah, I was just trying to get that point about that.

[Jamie]

Got. They are related. They are related to.

[Joe Rogan]

So Nick Land. If you ever heard of Nick Land. They are always make. So he's supposedly the tech. So get to this.

[Jamie]

These people. So when they're so that conversation with.

[Joe Rogan]

That they found an idiot so they could display that and then push a trad lifestyle even though they're atheists. That a fake Catholic is putting on Twitter and it's going viral. That's how you fake these things. Right?

[Jamie]

Or someone saw the clip and it appears that a young couple is defending a trad lifestyle. And they just project rejected that.

[Joe Rogan]

That's all possible too.

[Jamie]

Right? Because that's how a lot of people saw the clip. Without context, without knowing the background of those people. If you were someone seen them before it was interested you have. But if you were someone like me, I'd never seen them before.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, right.

[Jamie]

And if you were. There are founders of pronatalist.org a non profit initiative aimed at promoting and supporting high birth rates. Collins's fear that low fertility rates, especially among people, people they view as high achieving could lead to a decline in innovation and societal progress as well as the extinction of cultures, economic breakdown and the collapse of civilization. They are part of a network of self styled elites that include billionaires Elon Musk who. Billionaire Elon Musk who publicly expresses concerns about demographic trends leading to population collapse. They've been featured in discussions. So what does it say about their wacky belief about technology? Because that's on here. Right?

[Joe Rogan]

I think I found it on a.

[Research Assistant]

Which.

[Jamie]

Oh, go back to that image real quick. That article rather. This is a weird one. The Coles are vocal supporters of using advanced reproductive reproductive technologies including in vitro fertilization and genetic screening to promote higher birth rates and advocate for selecting embryos based on perceived desirable trials traits such as high iq. Collins's views have been criticized as promoting eugenics.

[Joe Rogan]

Which by the way it is. That's what CRISPR is for is eugenics. Eugenics came from America, not Nazi Germany. That's we were the leaders in it.

[Jamie]

America invented it.

[Joe Rogan]

Back when we were doing the Sig Heil as a flag salute. That's when eugenics came out. Right.

[Jamie]

Isn't that crazy?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, A socialist came up with it the Bellamy salute which was a Sig Heil. We stopped doing it because it was the Nazis.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but that's how they used to pledge of allegiance. They used to do it arm out religious beliefs.

[Joe Rogan]

In 2024 the Collins has stated they were atheists. Although at the time they were promulgated promulgating a theological world worldview they called techno puritanism which they described as an intentionally constructed religion. Technically atheist. Oh, that sounds great. I'd like some some nerds to tell me what God is. Thank you.

[Jamie]

Technically atheist.

[Joe Rogan]

However, by 2025 they stated that the belief that God is a real entity that actually exists at a different point in time. Time is just so core to our worldview. So all of them believe in AI God, which is technically more Aramon than Lucifer. I guess you gotta switch Arman that's the one from Zoroastrianism and the tech. It's like heavy materialism. Like there's nothing but the material, which, you know, these people that are like that and. And the people have built a. It's so. Okay, I'm not saying that as a slur for lame, I want to make that clear. But it is also lame. It's both gay and lame. And so it's all about breeding and all these weird, from what I can tell, trying to piece together what the big players are in the cause, you know, the deep state and shadow government. It's not just one team. These are scumbag eugenicists. So everybody's competing and trying to back bite each other. Just like in real life, right as. And so there appears to be like a left. Just left hand path and right hand path. But that's all fucking Lucifer fucking Cabala bullshit. All of it is the same bullshit.

[Jamie]

That's Lucifer Cabala bullshit. That they think that low birth rates are contributing to collapse of civilization.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the low birth rate thing is a thing. You know, China any minute now is going to collapse because they don't have immigrants. Right? China. Oh, and remember, they're elderly. They're going to have all these elderly and what are they going to do with them? Because there's not enough young people to take care of of them. Oh, Covid came along. I bet every country was involved in their own soft kill to ease their population. That's what I think happened because I know the one that hit us wasn't from Wuhan, it was from Raleigh.

[Jamie]

Hold on. So do you think that contributed to the decision to bring COVID positive people back into nursing homes?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, in New York when Cuomo did.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I don't. That guy's such a psychopath. Who the fuck knows? I mean, he probably. It's as easy a guess as he doesn't care or he's in a generational fucking cult. Either one could be. It was. It was foul what they did, dude. And it's. It's just what always happens and everybody moves along and forgets it. What are you still talking about that move on?

[Jamie]

Yeah, they brought COVID positive people back into nursing homes, you remember?

[Joe Rogan]

And it might be the blinky light thing that makes you forget that you saw aliens. Okay, I have a very bad feeling, Joe, that that is not some kind of exotic technology. I think it may literally just be a blinky light.

[Jamie]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

I just gotta blink some lights in your eyes and say some and that's all it takes to have a Matrix. Don't need a fancy computer. I could just put you in a house of cards. Of lies. And I did it with my. I didn't need no tech to do it. That's the old ways, right? And now the tech. The next generation of by the way, Collins. What? The. The family. If you ever saw Johnny Depp made a remake of it with the. He's a vampire. Barnabas Collins.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Dark Shadows.

[Jamie]

Dark shadows?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, the 70s one. Yeah, that's about a real family. They were the, their. Their supposed claim to fame was being the first warlocks or some in America with the Puritans.

[Jamie]

Those were supposedly Americans. I thought Barnabas Collins.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought that was a New England he was in. Yeah, but he was in New England. They're in an old bloodline family. And they came over and they were. Yo, all these Dark Shadows.

[Jamie]

I forgot about that show. So that show was supposed to be taking place in New England. That's where it's supposed to be taking place. What? That's the same family? Yeah, as the other Collins.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's about them. What? Yo, these are important families, by the way.

[Jamie]

Holy. Dude, Are you sure about that? Because that sounds crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, hey, double check me with Jesus AI. But I think I'm right.

[Jamie]

We gotta double check that.

[Joe Rogan]

Royalty. Bloodline Royalty.

[Jamie]

Dark Shadows was based on that Collins family. That is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm fairly sure it was based on the real Collins family because there's. There's very specific. Barnabas Collins, Reynolds Collins, Kennedy something. By the way, the bootlegger thing, I don't think that's true. I don't think that was their dad at all. I think people are confusing.

[Research Assistant]

Really.

[Joe Rogan]

I just saw a guy who wrote a whole book about it. There's another Joe Kennedy. It wasn't.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I had read that too. I had read that it was a fact and that they had tried to hide.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's not true.

[Jamie]

And then I'd read that it wasn't true.

[Joe Rogan]

But the bottom line is if you're so all these.

[Jamie]

Certainly was true is their connection with the mob.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, well, yeah, of course.

[Jamie]

No, Barnabas Collins is not based on a real person. It's a fictional vampire character created for the gothic soap opera Dark Shadows, which aired from 1966 to 1971. Introduced to boost declining ratings, the character portrayed by Jonathan Frid quickly became the show's star after an unplanned extension from a 13 week arc. Oh, so he wasn't the star. Initially, the character's backstory draws from a classic vampire lore. Direct nods to Bram Stoker's Dracula as the primary influence. Bro. I watched a crazy look at the persistent rumors.

[Joe Rogan]

You see what said I watched a.

[Jamie]

Crazy documentary the other night on YouTube about the Vlad Tepes the original Vlad the Impaler about how he became who he became Holy man. They were caught like Romania and the Ottomans and when the. When his. The king had to give up his two sons and so his two sons had to go live with the Ottomans for like seven years.

[Joe Rogan]

Pretty bad what they did to him.

[Jamie]

Holy. And so he came back a complete psychopath.

[Joe Rogan]

It's. It's very similar to how you would trauma train a kid in an MK program. This is ancient shit.

[Jamie]

Well if you certainly if you want to get that result that's the way to do it. Like completely traumatize the kid for probably do separating from his family and turn him into a monster. The what they did was like set rows of bodies for like kilometers on stakes at like a perfect geometric distance from each other that created like shapes that you could see from above. When you'd look down you'd see a star of dead people.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He's the son of the dragon. When you hear dragon. When you hear dragon imagery. The new one. Did you watch the new one Nosferatu?

[Jamie]

Yes I did.

[Joe Rogan]

So they.

[Jamie]

Great.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I loved it and he. I I liked it. I thought it was weird the amount of weird necrophilia it. But that's because that dude Eggers was looking into real occult. So that was like a. The Solomancy school.

[Jamie]

I think it's the best vampire movie ever. That's what I think.

[Joe Rogan]

It was just very odd to throw in that the guy his friend at the end went like Necrophile his wife. And that's what they're implying 100 and the reason Nosferatu is bothering her is because she used to ask she had some psychic and used to around with.

[Jamie]

Him as a team.

[Joe Rogan]

And so right there in the story. Same thing in stranger things. Remember 11 so they're Montauk was a program that they had. They're cutting out the real fucked up parts that are very similar to Dracula's childhood. In particular the sexual trauma that they have to inflict on a child that's that's always left out of the super soldier.

[Jamie]

And the idea is that sexual trauma allows them to have this ability to shut off their past.

[Joe Rogan]

Well Joseph Mengele who America saved saved his life to get his great restart. She remember he's obsessed with twins.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

John Lilly was into that too, because psychic through connections and all. So they found the amount to torture someone until they go in the fetal position. Position. That means they're broken. Do you do it young enough to a kid? And there's gross kind of cults out there that have done that. You've heard of certain calls that do it. Every cult you hear about, like Nexium. Right?

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

There's always a circle within a circle. Right. And a lot of people say every cult becomes a sex cult, but that's not necessarily true. Aaron, my friend from. He has a great channel growing up, Scientology. And he pointed out, he goes, you know, Scientology did not become a sex call, even though that clearly happened happened in it. The cult wasn't like Nexium, where it's like, you got to give me a blow job. Okay, but why? And I was like, oh, I couldn't figure it out. And James McCann explained it to me. James McCain goes, oh, that's how you become a real religion. If you can keep your cult from becoming a sex cult long enough, you can become a religion. That's why it didn't become a sex cult. There'll be time for vicious sexual assault once you get that tax exemption, but you just got to hold it together.

[Jamie]

McCann's a fucking spot. Smart guy, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I love talking to him, dude.

[Jamie]

I really love talking to him, too. I can't believe he knows a lot of stuff. Yeah, he's going back to Australia in a couple of days.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. Well, he's throwing it all away.

[Jamie]

We'll get him back.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, Australia, he thinks he'll be.

[Jamie]

Back within a year.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, what a cage Australia is. But they gave up. After the first government run mass shooting, they gave up their guns. What a bunch of punks.

[Jamie]

They up. They thought they were doing the right thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they up.

[Jamie]

And now their government is just locking them up for anything they want.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're still subject to the crown. And so a lot of these creepy things. By the way, when you see that dragon shit, you know, like Arthur Pendragon, the legend of Arthur in England.

[Jamie]

Right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

His last name's Dragon.

[Jamie]

Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Arthur Pendragon.

[Jamie]

Oh, okay. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

If you go to the city of London, which is that weird, like, Vatican, like, separate part of London that the king has to ask permission. And they have a giant called Gog Magog that's there when they do. You know how creepy the city of London is? It's run by a bunch of guilds. Real dark. Whenever you see that dragon logo, dude, these are people that think they have like dragon blood. Dude, I'm. I'm not. I don't think that. I think they're just inbred. Okay? I want to make it clear that's not what I think. But these people say that.

[Jamie]

So when you hear like, like Charlie Sheen, Tiger Blood.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, Charlie Sheen used to say he was a Vatican assassin all the time. Right? Remember that?

[Jamie]

That's the crack talking.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure, sure. It sure is. But I never heard that phrase. I was like, what the fuck is that? What is a Vatican assassin? I mean, Dan Brown was around, but he wasn't even. He had opens a. Well, if you watch the, the. The Cleansed documentary, the limited hangout Charlie Sheen thing, where clearly they're not telling you the half of it, obviously. Okay. And he goes, well, I just did so much coke and I fucked so much pussy, I had to try dudes, you know, like, you flip the menu. I don't think that's true. And the reason I don't think it's true is because in the beginning they say his parents walked around naked in front of him till he was five. He's. He's not the oldest kid either, so there's some kind of inappropriateness early. And I know they're Catholic and probably some Jesuit shit in there because people that stay movie stars that long, I would bet they have some connection. Just like modern art was from the. The CIA. I'll bet your George Clooneys and Tom Hanks have a deep connection. And that's why George Clooney is a billionaire from Tequila. And that's why Diddy got mad. Why is George Clooney a billionaire? I'm a asset. Why don't I get. And that's what he said.

[Jamie]

I'm an asset.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm just. I'm. I'm wildly speculating that he said, but I think I'm right. So he went against Diageo, which is a British company. He's not Italian. Some made up name. He bit the hand that fed him because he didn't own. Right. I think the Illuminati is like Ciroc. I think it was a bigger thing at one time, but now it's mostly for black people.

[Jamie]

We're wrapping it up with that.

[Joe Rogan]

Thanks, brother.

[Jamie]

It was very fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, man.

[Jamie]

You around tonight?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you know it.

[Jamie]

Let's rock and roll, right?

[Joe Rogan]

All right.

[Jamie]

This is a lot of fun. Thank you, as always. Bye, everybody.