#2455 - Donnell Rawlings

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2455 – Donnell Rawlings

Date: February 17, 2026
Guests: Joe Rogan (host), Donnell Rawlings (comedian, actor, Chappelle Show alum)

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Overview

This episode features a wide-ranging, free-flowing conversation between Joe Rogan and Donnell Rawlings. The main themes revolve around the culture of stand-up comedy—its changes, challenges, and backstage realities—especially through the lens of aging, health, jealousy and beefs within the comedy community, the impact of fame, and the importance of appreciating one’s journey. The episode mixes humor, real talk, and behind-the-scenes stories from two comedy veterans, with Rawlings candidly reflecting on everything from his Chappelle’s Show days to his experiences in the current stand-up scene.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Aging, Health, and Habits in Comedy

• Getting older and health changes:

  • Digestive issues and red meat come up (00:13–02:20). Donnell jokes about needing a “handler” in middle age and how certain foods knock him out compared to his younger years.
  • Exercise:
    • Donnell: "Usually during sexual intercourse is when I get most of my cardio." (04:33)
    • Joe stresses that getting your body right helps your mind: “Getting your body right fixes your mind.” (05:56)

• Vices:

  • Donnell’s love/hate with Tito’s vodka and red meat
  • The cultural gossip around trainers, dietary struggles, and therapy.

Smoking, Health Myths, and Marketing to Black Communities

• Cigarette brands and racial targeting:

  • Donnell discusses how brands like Newport deliberately targeted black consumers through advertising and community pricing. (10:54–11:33)
  • Menthol cigarettes’ “coolness” and how marketing shapes perceptions:
    • “That makes so much sense. Why the brand cool cigarette? ... Damn, what white people do to destroy my community, man.” (13:36)

• Salt, sugar, and health misinformation:

  • Joe breaks down the myth that salt is bad for you, linking the demonization of fat and salt in black communities to sugar industry lobbying and misinformation. (20:49–21:26)
  • Donnell: “Why are all of these diseases more happening in the black community?...”
    Joe: “It’s diet, 100%. Processed food. Sugar.” (21:26–21:59)

• Comedy on cultural differences:

  • Funny debate over “macaroni and cheese” vs. “mac and cheese” as a test of cultural authenticity. (17:16–17:44)
  • The reputation of bland “white food” vs. heavy seasoning in black cuisine.

Faith, Belief, and Scams

• The Bible, oral tradition, and translation:

  • Joe and Donnell riff on misunderstandings about the Bible, translation issues, and how faith serves as a way for people to structure their lives. (24:04–27:26)
  • Discussion of mega-churches and televangelist exploitation: Joe calls their tactics “a scam that’s legal.” (28:51)

• Lotteries are a scam:

  • They break down how lotteries, like religion, prey on hope in the desperate. (29:40–35:21)
  • Rogan exposes how lottery payouts are structured to be a losing proposition for players, with state-run systems extracting profit from the most vulnerable.

Comedy Scene—Beefs, Jealousy, and the Search for Validation

• Why comedians beef on podcasts:

  • Donnell laments that “the only way I can find myself interested [is] if I talk shit about people” (41:10); worries younger comics now focus on exposure and beef, not the craft.
  • Joe: “They’re never bigger than the comedians they’re shitting on. Never.” (47:14)
  • Both agree that most career negativity comes from resentment and a desire to be in someone else’s position.

• Handling internet hate:

  • Donnell struggles with ignoring online criticism: “It’s so hard.” (50:06)
  • Joe: "If I paid attention to all the haters… I would go crazy." (50:07)
    Emphasizes being “undeniable” as the antidote.

Standout: Donnell’s “Kill Tony” Experience

• Donnell goes into detail about his “bad show” on Kill Tony, issues it caused, and his comeback, revealing the way comedians perceive slights and how internet narratives can get distorted. (51:58–63:11)
• The “Juanita” transgender segment illustrates Donnell’s mixture of brashness and vulnerability, with plenty of jokes about not always reading the room but growing as a performer. (61:59–65:02)

Fame, Social Media, and What Really Matters

• Social media and comedy success:

  • They discuss how genuinely great comics like Dave Attell are overshadowed because they don’t promote themselves aggressively on social media, even as less skilled acts blow up online. (77:17–78:50)
  • “Specials aren’t special anymore. …Just joke dumps.” (82:08)

• Comedy as a craft:

  • Donnell and Joe reflect on the evolution of the scene: being validated at legendary venues, the grind of the road, and the gap between “clout” and real skill. (76:54–77:53)

Friendship, Perspective, and Satisfaction

• Navigating fame:

  • How riding with Dave Chappelle shaped Donnell’s life and career, but he had to learn not to get lost living in someone else’s dream (106:24–107:14).
  • Importance of being supportive to old friends, seeing the journey over just the reward.

• Therapy through comedy:

  • Donnell says: “This conversation is going to bode well with my mental health.” (142:38)
  • Joe’s closing advice: "Stay out of the comments." (155:40)

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On aging and need for change:

  • Donnell: “I need to be with somebody that understands when I go places and when I want to pig out, they gotta be like, he can't eat that.” (01:07)

• On health myths:

  • Joe: “Salt is an essential mineral. You need salt to survive. Salt is not the problem. ...It’s not true.” (20:49)

• On jealousy and beef:

  • Joe: “The reason why these comedians are doing it is because they’re never bigger than the comedians they’re shitting on. Never.” (47:14)
  • Donnell: “Everybody does not have to be Batman. …I don’t have a problem with being Robin.” (48:58)

• On comedy community vs. hatred:

  • Joe: “You know what I would happen to me if I paid attention to all the haters that I have? …I would go crazy.” (50:07)

• On validation:

  • Joe: “Just be undeniable.” (135:31)

• On happiness and success:

  • Joe: "Happiness and doing something that you enjoy doing...struggle, hopefully, is you trying to be better at the thing that you're doing." (130:16–130:40)

• On focus:

  • Joe: "Think of your focus and your attention like a number. Think of you have like 100 points in a day to spend on things...if you spend 30 of those points thinking about haters …that's 30 that you robbed from the hundred percent that you have to focus on your life." (101:28)

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Memorable Moments

• Donnell’s Kill Tony saga & comeback: (51:58–67:02)

  • His recounting of being misunderstood and miscast by fans, and then intentionally coming back stronger, is equal parts vulnerable and funny.

• The 'Def Jam' Effect:

  • Bernie Mac’s “I ain’t scared of you motherfuckers” routine and Donnell’s tales of surviving brutal comedy club sets, reinforcing the idea of “made” men in comedy (151:18–153:19).

• Behind the scenes with Chappelle’s Show & touring:

  • Donnell describes how the “I’m Rich Bitch” tour with Charlie Murphy & Bill Burr started, including the unique challenge of launching into stand-up as an already famous figure (144:17–146:23).

• The reality behind online hate:

  • Donnell’s confessions of weakness—being affected by internet comments and perception—balance with Joe’s persistent counsel to ignore the noise (93:35–94:11).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:13–02:20 | Conversation on aging, digestion, and comedy lifestyle
• 10:54–13:39 | How cigarette brands target racial communities
• 20:49–21:26 | Salt, sugar, and health misinformation/disparities
• 28:51–29:40 | Mega-churches and televangelist scams
• 29:40–35:21 | Lottery as a scam on the desperate
• 41:10–44:21 | Comedian podcast beefs and negativity
• 47:14 | Why comedians criticize more successful comics
• 51:58–67:02 | Donnell's Kill Tony incident, comeback, and lessons
• 76:54–78:50 | The paradox of underappreciation in the social media age
• 106:24–107:14 | Friendship with Chappelle and finding one’s path
• 130:16–130:40 | Joe's definition of happiness and success
• 135:25–136:29 | Barry Katz and the lesson of being “undeniable”
• 151:18–153:19 | Bernie Mac’s legendary Def Jam moment

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Conclusion

This episode is a raw, insightful, and often hilarious look at the stand-up comedy world, touching upon health, culture, fame, and finding meaning amid chaos and criticism. Donnell Rawlings opens up about his career highs and lows, the importance of authenticity, and maintaining mental health in a fickle, fame-chasing era. Joe Rogan, part therapist and part elder statesman, guides the conversation with wisdom, humor, and experience, ultimately reminding both Donnell and listeners that happiness comes from focus, friendship, continual self-improvement, and a refusal to be dragged down by the opinions of others.

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Final advice (Joe Rogan, 155:40):
"Stay out of the comments."

Transcript

[A]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Really?

[B]

Red meat.

[A]

It's unfortunate that's in any form, you know. Like, I. I know it's weird. If I eat a burger, it's different. If I eat a steak.

[B]

Steak is a problem.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know if my digestive system. Just like you, too old to fucking. How old is this, Daryl? I'm 58.

[B]

I'm 58 too. I eat mostly meat. I don't think it's age.

[A]

What is it, then?

[B]

Well, what are you eating it with?

[A]

Tito's.

[B]

We rolling.

[A]

Tito's.

[B]

Tito's Vodka. It can't be that, right?

[A]

No, Tito's. I'm eating a steak, and I want. You just eat steak with Tito's and I wash it down with Tito's and Tonic because it resembles H2. Sometimes I get thrown off until I do it.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah, I think I'm better.

[B]

Tito's and Tonic resembles water.

[A]

The look of it.

[B]

The look of it.

[A]

It's clear.

[B]

That's all matters to you.

[A]

Yeah, I know at some point I need to change. I need to change my life. I'm at the age now that it's like, I look at certain food and I'm like, oh, my God, it looks good, but, you know, you can't handle that. I think this is when I really, really need to be in love with. Because I need to be with somebody that understands when I go places and when I want to pig out, they gotta be like, he can't eat that.

[B]

He's not gonna be in the shit. He need a handler.

[A]

He's gonna be thrown up.

[B]

But I think it's a female handler.

[A]

A female handler. They call it geriatric. This is what I hear. This is what the streets are saying. Most men get to an age. It's a geriatric shit. When you just smash all the women you wanna do and everything. Now you're gonna have to worry about somebody helping you with your pill diet, helping you with your dietary. They say that's a lot of times when men fall in love, when they need somebody to take them to the Golden Ears, or when you're about to be out of here, you need somebody to say, don't do that. You gotta mash this food up. You gotta chop it up. But I'm having digestive issues sometimes with steak.

[B]

Huh?

[A]

It's red meat, I wanna say, and I'm a fan of it.

[B]

So you eat. If you eat, like, Bold pasta, With the Tito's? No problem.

[A]

That's not a problem.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

But it's definitely red meat. Red meat. I'm gonna sleep.

[B]

You should go to one of those doctors that checks people for allergies. Voodoo doctor? Yeah, I don't want one of them.

[A]

To sit on the d. I had to date an Asian. I mean, I had to date a Haitian chick. They into voodoo? Really, really bad.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. They stab you with pillows and shit. You might have pain in your neck. Is there any particular reason Joe and I haven't been here in a while? Is there any particular reason why I am doing your show during Black History Month?

[B]

No. You asked to come on. You reached out to me.

[A]

I reached out to you.

[B]

I didn't. You could have reached out to me in July. I would have said yes. You got an open invitation. You know that.

[A]

I haven't opened an invitation. But this is when I don't know. I say, can I come through? You said. This is what you told me. You said, I have a guest. And then you called back. I don't know if Jamie said, you know what month this is, right? I don't know if he ended you and you caught me back.

[B]

I moved somebody. I moved somebody for you. Cause I knew you were coming here on a Monday. I had someone booked.

[A]

Was it a Caucasian person?

[B]

I don't know. I don't remember.

[A]

Jamie, you know, it was a white man or a black man.

[B]

No. You know, what did I get?

[A]

Did I bump a white person?

[B]

It might have been Michael. Jai White, because he's here tomorrow. Yeah, so it was probably Michael. I just probably moved him a day.

[A]

But I appreciate dude being accommodating because I felt like it was time for me to come back. I haven't been here.

[B]

You can come on any time.

[A]

I really. I hold that to be true.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

I know that's true.

[B]

You know I love you.

[A]

Yeah. I want some of that gum, too, man. I'm sorry?

[B]

The neuro gum.

[A]

Do we have any?

[B]

Jamie?

[A]

I have some.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. That stuff's the shoes.

[A]

I know. Whenever you say something is the. Is the.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, what can I do about my. I can't do anything about my diet.

[B]

Sorry. Whoops. I hit the mic. Yeah, you can. You just, you know, you should go to a doctor and find out if there's like. There might be something particularly about you, that red meat doesn't agree with you, but it might just be what you're eating with the red meat more than the red meat itself. You know, that that's what I would imagine. I would imagine it's not actually red meat. I would imagine it's what you're eating with. It might be.

[A]

And I'm gonna check into it. Cause as they say in the streets, I'm of that big age when you have to be considerate of a whole bunch of things. So that's what I have to do. I have to do that.

[B]

Do you exercise at all?

[A]

A little bit. Usually during sexual intercourse is when I get most of my cardio.

[B]

Get your push ups in.

[A]

Yeah. And it's not as strong. Damn, man. You ever get. I don't know if this applies to everybody. You get to an age where you start looking at your history and you like, damn, 2000 was my best years. Like right now I'll just give up.

[B]

You give up?

[A]

I don't put no pressure in it. I give up. I start asking, like, what's your shoe sizes or whatever. I'd rather go shopping than to really try to pound somebody out for three hours. I'm at that age now where I have. I call it certain times. Like, you gonna get a work.

[B]

I probably shouldn't give you that gum. That gum's gonna be a real problem on the microphone.

[A]

Is it? Is it okay?

[B]

People are gonna get annoyed with you.

[A]

All right. I don't know what to do.

[B]

Just chew it a little and spit it out.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You'll get the effects of it pretty quickly.

[A]

Anyway, I'm at the age where my best work is like, holidays.

[B]

Holidays.

[A]

Like I'm an animal.

[B]

Why don't you hire a trainer? You got some money.

[A]

And what are the trainers gonna do.

[B]

To get you in shape?

[A]

I think I need a therapist before I get a trainer. I mean, you gotta take one step at a time. I gotta get my mind right before I get my body right. Wouldn't you agree?

[B]

No. Getting your body right will help get your mind right.

[A]

I think that's some truth to that. I think that you may be right about that.

[B]

Oh, 100%. Getting your body right fixes your mind.

[A]

But I will say I'm at my best. I'm at my peak. When it's a holiday to celebrate you.

[B]

Rested.

[A]

I'm rested. It's more incentive. Like, if you want me to really smash good time, you consider like Valentine's Day, Christmas, Kwanzaa, you can get seven good days. But to expect me to be at my best on just a regular Tuesday or a Wednesday, it's not gonna happen. I need more snacks.

[B]

Drinking. You like to drink.

[A]

Why would you Say that. I know why you would say that.

[B]

Come out.

[A]

I've seen you.

[B]

I've been with you. I've drank with you.

[A]

Okay, then that's a good point.

[B]

All right, there's cigarettes.

[A]

You was there.

[B]

You brought a pack with you, right? There's that. Those. Those are not good. There's.

[A]

But you used to smoke. I saw one of your podcasts. I forget how you explained what made you not want to smoke anymore. What was that?

[B]

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[A]

Right.

[B]

The. The physical health, you know, repercussions of cigarettes are well known.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not good. And also you're. You're smoking Marlboros. There's a. We had a doctor on the other side that thinks that Marlboro Lights don't. Regular cigarettes are not nearly like. American spirits are not nearly as bad for you as.

[A]

I understand that they have some type of the. The American spirits. I'm not even, like, advocating for what you should. Shouldn't smoke. But they supposed. They say that's supposed to be the most natural. If there's such.

[B]

It's just tobacco, I believe. Is that a fact? No. No. What's in there besides tobacco? I don't know. I've been trying. They got. I don't know how this lawsuit ended up, but they got sued for the advertising of saying it's additive free and all that. Oh, did they? Yeah. What. What are the additives I've not decided. Well, let's look in. It's on it. I've tried to look. I mean there's a big. Here's like the website about the lawsuit. What's the accusation that. Here you go. It's on the screen. Oh, here we go. Lawsuit questions Natural claims. Natural American Spirit cigarettes are made by Santa fe Natural Tobacco Company and parent company Reynolds America. R.J. reynolds. They with you? American Spirits has been sold in the US since 1985 under the original name. Original American Spirit Organic. Oh, you got us. He fucks. Unadulterated tobacco suit claims such marketing language as endeared American Spirit cigarettes to a core group of smokers who believe that the natural tobacco in the cigarette makes them a healthier alternative. Despite cigarette sales declining 17 between 2009 2014, American spirit sales have increased 86% over the same period. Huzzah. A regulatory filing on the Reynolds American website states American Spirit is the leading super premium cigarette brand that is a top 10 best selling cigarette brand, priced higher than most other competitive brands and differentiated from key competitors through its use of all natural additive free tobacco, including styles made with organic tobacco. But words like all natural and additive free, un American Spirits labeling, the suit says, belies the fact that Santa Fe Reynolds adds ammonia to their cigarettes to maximize the amount of nicotine a smoker receives, with the result that American Spirits contain significantly more freebase nicotine than other major cigarette brands.

[A]

So you actually getting high off of cigarettes?

[B]

100%. I get high because I don't smoke them all the time. So I only smoke if I smoke a couple cigarettes a week. It's a lot.

[A]

And Newport's probably like 10 times worse than menthol cigarettes. Probably 10 times worse for your body.

[B]

I was talking to Kat about that. Yeah, I was asking him, like, why do you like menthols? And he's like, he was speaking on behalf of the black community. He said, we like things that are more potent.

[A]

I believe that that's possible, part of it. But I also believe that back in the day, and this applies. I don't know if I talked about this. It was certain brands that targeted certain communities just for the loyalty of it. And I think Newport was targeting. I don't know if it was a situation when Newport came out, they were spending more ad money with advertising and everything because I don't know if I shared this story with you, but Pepsi was a company that did that where they targeted the black community. So I think, even though I understand we said more potent, but I think it was something that was in our community, whether that was like cheaper prices or whatever. And I think it's generation to generation, like you need to do this because black people did this because it was cheaper. I think that that might be probably both.

[B]

What is the menthol effect? What is the difference in the menthol symbol?

[A]

Menthol. I sound like Cat Williams the next day. That's one of the reasons I had to downgrade to. Some people think that I started smoking Marlboro Lights because I started dating white women, which is more appealing. Unless you date a white woman from the Midwest. Then she probably smoking Newports and drinking Pepsis and Coca Cola just like you. But I think that's part. But I got so many bad habits that I need to change.

[B]

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[A]

So menthol cigarettes appeal to black people because it's a cool cigarette.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

That's what makes so much sense. Why the brand cool cigarette? Because it makes it. That makes sense.

[B]

That's why they called it cool, I bet.

[A]

Damn, what white people do to destroy my community, man.

[B]

Destroy everybody. Yeah, they don't give a about anybody. Half ain't wide, body ain't soul, Mild ain't bold, Cool ain't cool. Newport is oh, because that was like a take on cools because people used to smoke cools.

[A]

Do cools exist anymore in jail?

[B]

Only in jail.

[A]

I think that. I think. I don't know what the ratio is, what cigarette gets you more money in the dice game. But whenever I hear people telling war stories, they like, man, I got a pack. I got a carton of cools for a bag of Doritos or something. But the value of a cool cigarette is higher in prison.

[B]

Isn't it crazy that they give you cigarettes in prison? That's crazy. It's like the only drug you can get in prison.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And those you can't get alcohol, right?

[A]

Well, you can get hooch. Well, you can't get alcohol, but they make their own.

[B]

But it's all under the table. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But I think in prison, the things that hold the most value. I think it's Tang. Right? It's that artificial flavored drink you do, I think that astronaut shit. Yep. Cigarettes. Doritos. I heard honey buns hold the value, and I heard candy bar. But candy bars, you gotta be particular with that. Because if you offer. This is what I hear, if you offer a person a certain amount of candy bars, then what I understand is that you're inviting them to have sexual intercourse with you.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Candy bars.

[A]

Yeah. Like you, I don't think.

[B]

Do you want some candy bars? And that's like code.

[A]

Yeah, it's like pizzagate, pizza, Mr. Goodbar for this good bar. I think this is only. Not that I've had those experiences, Joe, but this is the times that I frequent the streets, which aren't anymore, not too often. These are the stories that they tell.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And these facts, you don't need them for anything but for barbershop talk. But these are the conversations that I have that I've heard people have.

[B]

It's interesting how different brands market to different people. And I mean, how do they figure it out? Like, what do they work? Like, that's where it's evil. Right. Like, advertising itself, I don't have a problem with. But there is something weird about deceptive advertising that's legal, you know?

[A]

Well, they do a history on what people. Like I was watching or reading a story about the people that started Forever 21. I forget what the brand was. It was some Koreans from South Korea. Not to be confused with Kim Jong Un and those people. But they were tailors of something. They started a small boutique. And what they would do was they would have these clothing, pieces of clothes, and they would really Pay particular attention to what colors people like, what was selling the most, whatever. And that's what they buy. And one of the things that made Forever 21 so popular, because they had really. These clothes weren't expensive, but they was turning them over so quick, you know, so people do case studies and see what people attracted to. I know with black people, you put lemon pepper on anything, it's gonna go out the roof. You could do lemon pepper, chicken wings, lemon pepper, french fries, anything. Lemon pepper, they're gonna go. I don't know who started the whole lemon pepper craze, but you. Lemon pepper anything, black people gonna buy it.

[B]

That's interesting. Like how white people are associated with very bland foods. You know, macaroni cheese, mashed potatoes, mayonnaise.

[A]

And you know why you're connected with that blandness? Because the way you pronounced it macaroni and cheese, you'd never, ever say. If you tell somebody, if you say. And you would be able to be invited to the cookout. Joe, you know, people like you, if you say, hey, guys, I'm coming to the cookout, right? And I'm bringing macaroni and cheese, you're gonna get uninvited to the cookout.

[B]

What a. How should I say it?

[A]

Mac and cheese.

[B]

Mac and cheese, yeah.

[A]

You can't say macaroni and cheese. Nobody ever does that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They would look at you as a spy. You would get invited and be uninv.

[B]

Well, I'm a different type of white person because I'm Italian, and we're associated with spicy food. Very strong flavors. Yeah, but it's a different. Like, Italian people don't like bland food.

[A]

They like very spicy, very flavorful food. I'm bringing baked ziti to the barbecue. You be like, I'm bringing ziti, right?

[B]

I would say baked ziti. Yeah. Because there's different kinds of ziti. You know, there's ziti that you bake and then the ziti that you just boil and put, you know, marinara sauce on.

[A]

But I will say this. As much as, you know, community make fun of white people and their lack of seasoning that can save your life.

[B]

Lack of seasoning can save your life. How so?

[A]

When you think about. You look at somebody, one of the most country home cooked soul food, spot the one ingredient that's in everything that you taste right off the rip is salt. How good is it?

[B]

Salt's not bad for you at all.

[A]

Then why do we think salt is all bullshit?

[B]

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[A]

What type of salt? Is it a different salt? Is it like.

[B]

No, it's not. Salt's not bad for you. Well, first of all, there's iodized salt, which is actually good for you because it contains iodine. They add iodine to it, which is good for you. But salt is not a bad thing. I mean, you shouldn't have too much salt. Look, if you eat enough salt, you.

[A]

Can'T be the person. Educate me with this. So all of these years, it's a.

[B]

It's a.

[A]

These people getting their toes chopped off.

[B]

That's not why. That's not why. If you're getting diabetes, it's usually from sugar.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know, there's been a lot of misinformation that spread because of actual scientists that were bribed by the sugar industry.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So the sugar industry, they paid a bunch of Harvard scientists. It was Harvard, right? I believe it was. They didn't even give them a lot of money. Was it the 1950s or 1960s? Jamie? Do you remember? So this has all been outed now, but what they did was they tried to associate saturated fat and foods with saturated fat with being responsible for heart disease. And they did that to try to get the blame off of sugar, because sugar is fucking terrible for you, it's terrible in basically every way, especially added sugar.

[A]

So why are all of these diseases that we speak of are more happening in the black community than in the white community?

[B]

It's diet, it's 100%. It's processed, it's processed food. It's diet, it's sugar, it's sugary drinks. It's the amount of sugar. Like if you say, if you drink like a, a 1 liter Pepsi, the amount of sugar that is. Okay, let's find that out. How much sugar is in a 1 liter Pepsi? If you drink several of these a day, one of them I believe is more sugar than you're ever supposed to have in a day.

[A]

Pepsi is the one. And that's why.

[B]

Well, it could be Coca Cola, could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew. Pick your poison.

[A]

I think it's 100 Pepsi.

[B]

Well, Pepsi's. I don't know if. Does Pepsi have more sugar than Coca Cola? I don't know. You know, Coca Cola is one of the only things that's still flavored with cocaine. Leaf sugar content 115, 123 grams in a 1 liter bottle. That's a crazy amount of sugar. 25 teaspoons, 35 sugar cubes. That's 130%, 138% of the recommended daily value of sugar. That's where people are getting type 2 diabetes. They're getting it from excess sugar. Specifically excess sugar, like in a liquid form. Your body does not know what the fuck to do with that because nowhere in nature do you get sugar in a liquid form like that. Like even orange juice. People think orange juice is good for you. It's not like drinking orange juice. Yeah, you're going to get some vitamin D, but you're also going to vitamin C rather. But you're also going to get a gigantic dose of sugar that has no fiber in it.

[A]

But is it a different type of sugar and fruits and vegetables than what you get off the counter?

[B]

You get fructose rather than high fructose corn syrup. You know, look, sugar from fruit is the best sugar for you because it's attached to fiber and that's, that's a slow release sugar. Like if you eat an apple and apples aren't bad for you. It's a natural way that your body consumes sugar. But there's not.

[A]

Apples were bad for Adam.

[B]

I don't even know if it was an apple.

[A]

It was a fruit.

[B]

It was not from the tree of knowledge. The tree of.

[A]

It was an apple.

[B]

It was an apple, but it wasn't an apple tree. What specifically does the Bible refer to as the fruit?

[A]

Adam and Eve. Adam, you know the truth.

[B]

Eve never talked to God. Adam talked to God. Adam told God not to eat the fruit. There's nowhere in the Bible does it say that Adam went and told Eve.

[A]

This is why we should start not just shutting women down to listening to him. It all started.

[B]

Genesis does not specifically specify, rather, what kind of fruit Adam ate, only that it calls it fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Yeah, so it's not necessarily an apple. We call it an apple. The text never names the species apple, fig, etc. The Hebrew word is peri, a general term meaning fruit without a botanical detail where the apple idea came from. Over time, Jewish and Christian interpreters proposed many candidates, including fig, grape, pomegranate, citron, and others. Now, common ideas that an apple developed later in European tradition, helped by wordplay in Latin and Old French, where the words evil and apple or fruit sounded or were spelled similarly. So it's not necessarily an apple.

[A]

I really don't know what to believe, but I feel like I get so much more information when I come here. I don't know if people understand that.

[B]

Well, the crazy thing is that, I mean, I've found this out recently because I've actually been reading the Bible, that there's no reference whatsoever to Adam telling Eve, you're not supposed to eat the fruit from the plant with the knowledge of good and evil.

[A]

I never knew that. Yeah, I just knew. It's just Adam, a white woman with an apple, and his shit got fucked up after that.

[B]

What happened was God created Adam. This is what Genesis says, created Adam and then told Adam go and name all the animals. And then when he was done with that, Adam made Eve. But he never said. It never says in the Bible, Adam told Eve, do not eat the apple.

[A]

Who's given this us, this misinformation?

[B]

Well, the problem with the Bible is, first of all, that it was an oral tradition forever. So it was an oral tradition for a long time before it was ever written down. Then it was written down in a bunch of ancient languages. It was written down in ancient Hebrew, it was written down in Aramaic. Aramaic. And then when you translate ancient Hebrew to. First they translated to Latin and then they translated to Greek and all these other. Maybe Greek first. I forget which one was first, but either way, the, the translations miss a lot of the. The language. It's a very complicated. Ancient Hebrew is a very complicated language, and numbers double as letters in ancient Hebrew. So Ancient Hebrew doesn't have numbers. All their words have a numerical value to them.

[A]

What do you think makes people so connected to the Bible? Is it because of wanting to believe in something? Definitely.

[B]

Definitely wanting to believe in something. And then specifically, if you look at, like, the teachings of Jesus Christ, if you follow them, I think it'll lead to a better life. I think it makes you a better person, makes you a better member of the community. It reinforces community. It's like a really good way to live your life. So I think the people that live that way, that actually live that way, they're better examples of human beings. So that makes it reinforced. But it's also people. There's a lot of other religions that people believe in that don't have those aspects to them. People want to believe things. People want to believe in things. Even if you, like. Like Scientology, people deeply believe in Scientology, and we know it was written by a science fiction author who was a bad science fiction author. L. Ron Hubbard wrote some terrible books. Like, that guy would just bang books out. He never rewrote shit. Everything was a first draft.

[A]

Just.

[B]

Just clank. He wrote more fiction than any human being that's ever lived. And they also wrote Scientology.

[A]

And people believe in it. I do believe. I think people, like you say people want to. If your life is fucked up, whatever they want to be able to say, okay, this is my savior. If I believe in this, it's going to get me on the right track 100%. And then with that. But with these, like, Drewski just did a skit that went viral, all right, and it was like he was making fun of the megachurches and everything, but these churches, like, they give these people something to believe in, make them feel better, and they charge people. Do you think that there should be a separation? If I inspire you, if my writings or my speeches inspire you to want to do something and change your life and be more financially secure, do you think these people entitled to, like, okay, almost like, agencies. If I get you to work or get. Should you hit me off? Or the mega churches, is this so wrong for me just to pour all their money into them? Or are they giving these people something to believe in? If that's the case, do I supposed to get a piece of that?

[B]

I think they're preying on people's need to believe in things, and I think they're very predatory, and I think that's why they're flying private jets and driving Rolls Royces and living in mega mansions on giant ranches, and they're doing it all off of donations of people that are barely getting by. That's a lot of it. You know, I think it's a scam. That's legal. I think if we were a just and righteous society, it wouldn't be legal.

[A]

Right?

[B]

I mean, it's. You're taking advantage of people when they need something to believe in, and you're asking for all their money. Like, I remember I was watching this guy on TV once, like, televangelists are the worst. And this guy was saying that if you are broke, you should borrow money to donate it to the church, and it will be paid back to you tenfold. That God will pay you back tenfold. And then he had all these examples of people that did it, and they would call in and say, I. I was a thousand dollars in debt and this and that, but I borrowed a hundred dollars and I donated it to you. And now all of a sudden, I drive a Rolls Royce and it's all horseshit.

[A]

But those are all desperate, desperate people.

[B]

Desperate people.

[A]

Those are same people that, yeah, I'm gonna spend $30 on the lottery every day for, like, fucking 50 years and don't know how much. That's another scam.

[B]

That's another scam. Not only is that a scam, here's the scam about the lottery. Not only does, like, say, if everyone pumps money into the lottery, say you. You buy $100 worth of tickets, and Jamie buys $100 worth tickets, and I buy 100. So there's $300 in the lottery. There's not even $300 available to win.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So. And then if you win, you don't get all the money. You get the money over a long period of time.

[A]

But.

[B]

Right, right, right. But if you. If you take the second option and it's a significantly, like, here's a good example of it. Speaking of the Epstein files.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Speaking of company Zorro Trust.

[A]

I didn't like that transition. You looked me right in my eyes and said, speaking of the Epstein.

[B]

Well, Epstein, we were talking about it before the podcast. No, you came to see you.

[A]

No, FC did not fucking come see you.

[B]

They loved your show.

[A]

Yo, he was your.

[B]

He was the number one fan.

[A]

First of all, I never.

[B]

You don't know. Look, they came to West Palm Improv because you're a famous comedian and you were playing in the town where he lived.

[A]

So what are you saying?

[B]

Nothing. But what I'm saying is that. What I'm saying is Epstein won the lottery. His company, Zorro Trust won an $80 million lottery and then they paid, they took the payoff and the payoff was.

[A]

Only 30 million ticket. Or you mean within corporation. What do you mean when you say.

[B]

His company bought a ticket for the lottery?

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yes. Zorro Trust, which is his company, they won the lottery, which is very suspicious. Not only that he won the lottery right after he was arrested and went to jail for kids or having sex or whatever.

[A]

Whatever.

[B]

He was arrested for sexual hand jobs, whatever it was.

[A]

So there's nothing wrong with underage. No.

[B]

But when they're underage girls, probably not.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that part.

[B]

So then when he went and got the lottery money, the company took the payoff. The payoff out of an $80 million payment. The $80 million jackpot was only 30 million. So if you want the money, you take 30. So not only did they take 50 out of the 80, but then you think about how many people spent money buying lottery tickets. Way more than 80 million. So they make money off of that and then they make money off of the fact that you want the payoff instead of the, you know, the over.

[A]

So they never could, it doesn't matter what the jackpot becomes. They never could lose.

[B]

They can't lose because they're stealing money from people that are desperate. It's, it's legalized gambling where the house always wins.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like let's find that out. Like let's say, let's find an average jackpot of mega bucks and find out how much money actually goes into it. How much, how much money people spend versus how much money the payout is.

[A]

So when this. All lotto's are state regulated, right? Right.

[B]

I don't know. I don't know who regulates them.

[A]

Okay, so they get, say they get $100 million from people trying to win a billion dollars. It's because the state regulates. Do they have to pay taxes to the government for the money they.

[B]

The lotto? No, that's the state. Well, or the government owns it. So it's a. Whatever The. Not only that, you pay taxes on it. So say if you take that.

[A]

So if you're the winner, that pays taxes. Yeah, yeah, of course.

[B]

So say if you take that $30 million payout, you don't even get 30 million, then you have to pay taxes on that 30 million. So they get money from that too. They can't fucking lose.

[A]

But for a person that has never seen, barely seen $1,000 anywhere, anything with millionaires, they're going to be excited about and take it before they go.

[B]

Exactly, exactly. And over time, most people are not going to win. So most people are dumping money into it.

[A]

There was a story of a young lady. I don't know exactly what it was. I think she won some type of lottery where they, they gave her two options she would get. I think it was like a payout of like 2 or 3 million right up front. Or they give her, I think it was like $20,000 every month for as long as she lived.

[B]

Yeah, that's how they did.

[A]

And she did this. Well, people think that it's kind of crazy, but if you consider the fact that she was probably 20, 21, her life expectancy, probably she was white, so she probably lived to 132, you know what I'm saying? She looked like that was a smart. A lot of people would not understand that that was a smart thing.

[B]

But I don't think it's for the rest of your life. I think it's. Until it reaches that number. I don't think they're going to give you money for the rest of your life.

[A]

Well, maybe I was reading the headline.

[B]

Maybe it's a different kind of lottery that I'm not aware of.

[A]

Maybe I think it was something as long as she lives.

[B]

That sounds crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, here it is. Typical Mega Millions jackpot run. Total ticket revenue is usually several times the advertised jackpot, but there's no single fixed average because sales vary enormously with the jackpot size. Still, you can get a good ballpark. So around 50% of ticket revenue goes into the overall prize pool. So the government makes 50% right off the bat.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So if it's $100 million payout, they already made 100 million, so that's $200 million is what they made. They throw in $100 million for everybody. Of that prize pool, roughly 2/3 to 3/4 is allocated to the jackpot, with the rest funding lower tier prizes. So that means Even if there's $200 million out of $100 million, only 2/3 of it goes into the, the big jackpot. And that means the jackpot is typically in the order of one third of total ticket sales that run and then out of that 1/3. So say if it's 100 million, or with the Epstein case, it was 80 million, he took the payout, which was 30 million. So they make 50 on top of that, and then on top of that you pay taxes on that 30. It's a crazy scam.

[A]

Do with the money, whatever the fuck they want. I Think they probably think that in certain neighborhoods, I think they probably pump a certain amount of winning tickets into a neighborhood just to get you addicted to. Keep going in there and spend your money.

[B]

Well, it's supposed to be random, you know, I don't know how much oversight. Look, if a guy like Jeffrey Epstein can win, I don't know how much oversight is it. I know back in Boston when I lived there, Whitey Bulger won. See if this is true. I think he won the lotto twice, which is crazy.

[A]

Whitey Bulger, who is that?

[B]

Whitey Bulger was a South Boston mob boss in the 1980s. When I lived there, the 1980s and 90s.

[A]

A mob boss? Yeah.

[B]

He was a dangerous, dangerous guy. He was the guy that. That movie that Leonardo DiCaprio starred in with Jack Nicholson. What was that movie, Jamie? Remember that movie that was based on Whitey Bulger? The Departed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Departed. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That was based on Whitey Bulger.

[A]

He was a gangster.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Terrifying gangster. Yeah.

[A]

What was his demise?

[B]

He was actually a fucking FBI informant. Not only was he a gangster, he was working with the FBI, and they were letting him get away with shit because he was throwing other people under the bus.

[A]

I think there's a different.

[B]

I mean, they wound up catching him in Santa Monica. Well, I felt that hunting Whitey about that. Whitey Bulger won the Mass Millions lottery about that time. Yeah, yeah, he won the lottery, man. So this is what it says here. What does it say? I think it was more of a scheme than they actually won the. But it's always taking money. It's probably a way to, like, launder money. Yeah. Oh, 100%. It's a way to launder money. So the way it would work was like, say if you lived in the community and you won the lottery ticket, maybe they would give you money for your lottery ticket. Then he would get it, and that way it would show that this is where he got his income from. Like, these guys would all own businesses, right? But the reason why they would own businesses is so they could show why they drive a Cadillac, why they have a mansion, why they have this, because they have legitimate businesses. But really, these businesses were scams.

[A]

My father convinced my family that he was a real estate agent for years, and come to find out, he was a Heroin kingpin in D.C. for years. All we needed was an excuse. He's selling real estate.

[B]

All right, that's hilarious. So he ordered the real winner to sign the ticket over with Whitey and two associates paying $2.3 million in cash for 50% of the winnings. Bulger himself paid Michael Linsky 700,000. Although Linsky lost money in the deal, he really had no choice. It came down to selling the ticket or risking his life. Yeah, so that's how it usually Wills works.

[A]

So he was a snitch.

[B]

Whitey was a snitch? Yeah, he was a snitch and he got caught in Santa Monica.

[A]

He was snitch or whistleblower. There is a difference.

[B]

No, he was a snitch.

[A]

Whistleblowers are people that snitch on people in higher profile positions, like corporate America. But what I'm finding out, no, he wasn't a whistleblower.

[B]

He was a actual snitch because he was turning other people in, dude. But he was a kingpin.

[A]

Is this true? And I don't want to make everything about race. Is this. Is that phrase snitches get snitches more prevalent in a white community or the black community? Or is it across the board?

[B]

I think it's across the board. Isn't it like the black community is famous for keeping their mouth shut when someone gets shot or when someone does something, like when cops come and question them.

[A]

I know that's the truth anymore, because.

[B]

What I'm not anymore. But that was the thing with the Mafia too. The mob would never rat out. Guys would just go to jail.

[A]

Because now I see, like, especially in my community, so many people, like, I got the paperwork and everything, and now it feels like that motto of being loyal is dead. It's like people now, they get in, caught with shit, and the minute they get caught, they snitch on everybody, right? And there's no repercussions. When they come home, there's no repercussions. I don't see that as much. I see so many people that are like, they saying whatever the fuck they want to do, whatever, and they still out here just living their lives normal. Like ain't nothing fucking happening happen.

[B]

Well, with the mob, it was always like, if you ratted on the mob, you were a dead man. You're a dead man. Your family was probably dead. They burned your house down and. And people kept their mouth shut because of that. And so guys would go to jail all the time and never open their mouth. And they would be rewarded when they would get out and they'd have a party for them, celebrate. That's in Goodfellas. You kept your mouth shut. You never said nothing. That was the whole thing.

[A]

But the whole thing. I used to live that changed, though.

[B]

Like, with John Gotti. Like the. The government?

[A]

No, Sammy the Bull.

[B]

Sammy the Bull. And it wasn't just them. Like, there's. Everyone was snitching on everybody. It's like they got these guys and, you know, we had Donnie Brasco in. In the studio from.

[A]

From what?

[B]

From that Bronx Johnny Depp movie. It was called Donnie Brasco.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He.

[A]

Why am I confused that. With him?

[B]

What's his real. John. Donnie Brasco's real name, Joe.

[A]

I'm not confused with Bronx Tale. That's not bronxone.

[B]

Joe Pistone.

[A]

That's not. Nothing to do with Bronx Tale. Right?

[B]

No. Different story. That's different story. Yeah. So Donnie Brasco was the guy who was. He was an agent, and he pretended to be a mob guy, and he got in with the mob and was with him for, like, seven years, did all kinds of shit with the mob and then sold everybody out and they all went under.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. I'm just. So this. The culture, everything is. There used to be a phrase, snitches get stitches. Now, I don't know if this just everywhere, but everywhere I go, it's like the most interesting thing now that's selling on any platform, especially social media, is beef. And I don't understand why people gravitate toward negativity more than anything.

[B]

That's normal.

[A]

Why. But you know what? It's interesting. Your platform is not known for that. No, your platform. But I go to these other platforms, and I. I think these guys, people, they just sit back and it's like, okay, what can I say to make people upset, get them riled up? And then I take advantage of the engagement that they do.

[B]

They're in a different game than me, all right? Their game is trying to get engagement. My game is talking to people that are.

[A]

Doesn't that become. I don't want to be triggered or anything, but doesn't that become destructive after a while?

[B]

100%.

[A]

And do you. Have you noticed especially. I'll put it like this, especially with comedians with podcasts. It used to be a time where, like, you say a person would go on a podcast because it was interesting, they told funny stories or they was good at their craft or whatever. But now it feels like all these platforms and I don't know, that's just. In my community, when I say that black people, it's like the only way I can find myself interested in. If I talk shit about people and motherfuckers are going away from being funny. When you get interviewed, like, Every fucking podcast I turn on now is somebody, I'm exposed this person. I'mma tell this about what you didn't know. And the one thing they're not doing, especially as a standup comedian, motherfuckers don't give a fuck about being funny no more. Are those days over?

[B]

No, no, no, no. Those people that do that are almost always. Not very. Almost always. The only exception to that.

[A]

So who they fooling?

[B]

The only exception to that is Kat. And I think what Cat was doing was different. Cause what Cat was doing was exposing what he thought was snakes and liars.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's a different thing.

[A]

Okay, okay, okay, this is my question. Okay, okay, this is my question. Okay, this is my question. People can take it.

[B]

Okay, okay, I wanna say this.

[A]

This is what I'm saying. Joe, what are you saying? I'm coming from this place. I'm like, this. No disrespect or whatever to Kat, but like. Like, who asked you?

[B]

Shannon Sharp did when he did that podcast.

[A]

Shannon Sharp might have asked one question.

[B]

But Shannon Sharp likes that. Like that in his podcast.

[A]

Relationship.

[B]

He likes a lot of that. His. His people, they find questions. He's got a sheet of paper, he's got questions.

[A]

Joe, what do you do with those truths? What do you do with talking about? I watched. This is a horrible impression. I sat there in the parking lot and I watched people go up into Denny's house and they came down and they were standing up. I'm trying to figure out, what the fuck do you get out of that? What is the result of that? You expose these people to say what? Hollywood is never going to fucking change. You know, what changes? Like what you do? I left fucking Hollywood. Hollywood's not gonna change. And I'm not saying I went to a Diddy party. First off, I was never invited. There's a chance I would accept the invitation with rules, you know?

[B]

Right.

[A]

But what is the purpose of exposing something?

[B]

Well, I don't think most people are exposing. What most people are doing where they're being negative is they are jealous and they are below the person they're talking shit about. Like, whenever I see someone that's talking.

[A]

Shit about, you don't think. You say that. And you use Katt Williams as an example. So when you said they're just.

[B]

First of all, when Katt did it, it was very funny. Which is.

[A]

It was very funny.

[B]

Kat's a very funny guy.

[A]

Very funny.

[B]

And when he was doing it, I think he was also being very funny while he was doing it, which is Different.

[A]

Well, you have to put a LOL on the end of it. Cause people might not understand the dishumor. Cause this is the connection people have. This is what they. The connection they have with Kat. It's like, like this is what they say. They ride with him, they say where is the lie? Where is the lie? And all this stuff. But I'm just trying to understand what is the purpose of exposing all this stuff. What do we do with this information? What do we do with the information that Diddy like to have fucking freak parties with, baby? All this. What the fuck do we do with all this information?

[B]

Well, Diddy's in jail right now, so they did that with the information.

[A]

Well, Diddy's in jail for doing something that a lot of people I. Let me tell you something, Joe, tell me something. I was riding with Diddy for one. I liked the music he did or anything. I don't know Diddy like that. But when I first read the definition of sex trafficking. Right, uh huh. I'm sure you're a verse person, you're smart.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

The definition of sex trafficking to transport a woman across state lines with the intent to have sexual intercourse with her.

[B]

Right? When I heard that when you're paying them, them it's trafficking is.

[A]

No, that's not actually my. Really, this is my. Jamie, you can pull this up.

[B]

Wait a minute. So if you are dating a girl and she lives in Minnesota and you live in California and you fly her to California, sex trafficking. And I'm thinking about, I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true at all. I think that's just flying a girl in that you're having a relationship.

[A]

They call it flew out. Flew out.

[B]

Yeah, but that's normal. Everybody does that.

[A]

But that's the definition.

[B]

Commercial sex. Yeah, commercial. Commercial sex act induced by force, fraud or coercion.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

Well, coercion is crazy because coercion is like, please, I'll buy you a bag. That's sex trafficking.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

So like if a girl, right? If you, if you, if there's a girl, she's like, what are you gonna do for me? Like, you know those shoes you want, I got those shoes for you, let's go shopping. Like that's kind of sex trafficking. If that's coercion for money. Like if a girl's thinking about coming out to visit you and then you go, listen, listen, listen, what are you looking for? What do you, what do you want to buy? I got money. Come On. Let's go shopping. That kind of would fall into that category. But look, we're getting off topic. Let's go back to the topic originally in hand. The reason why these comedians are negative.

[A]

I need to.

[B]

No, no, no, no. You're not going to get in trouble for sex trafficking. Listen, that's all horseshit, all right? But the reason why these comedians are doing it is because they're never bigger than the comedians they're shitting on. Never.

[A]

1,000%.

[B]

1,000%.

[A]

You know what it is, Joe?

[B]

And they're never good.

[A]

You know what it is, too, Joe, is that deep down inside, they want.

[B]

To be that person 100%.

[A]

And I tell you.

[B]

Or they want to be in the position that person's in is a better way of putting it.

[A]

I'll use this. I'll tell you this story. I realize not to say names, but it's so many people that could be guilty of it. And this is the thing that I hear that understands me, that disturbs me, is that, you know, a lot of these people that bitch the most, they. At some point in their career, they were favored by Hollywood.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

At some point in their career, they had these opportunities. At some point in their career, guess what? They had the agencies, they had the agents. And something happened in their career where they. They fell out of favor for whatever you want to call that. It. Whatever you want to call that for whatever. Maybe something they did. Agency didn't like them too much. And now everything that they wrote on, everything they wanted to do, now it's all. That's fucked up. And the only way you get this opportunity, because it has to be sexual favors and all that type of shit. And where did the fuck you draw the line?

[B]

But it's not even sexual favors. It's like they criticize the work of the other person. That person ain't shit. That person sucks.

[A]

Can I. Yo, there's. Here's the thing. There was.

[B]

Come on. You get this all the time because you ride with Dave, and Dave's number one, right? So you always get. You always get this label. Even though you're a great comic, you get this label being a coattail rider, right?

[A]

And guess what? Everybody don't. This is what I try to explain to people, Joe. Everybody does not have to be Batman. I don't have a problem with being Robin. You know why? Cause Robin got the same amount. His screen time is Batman. And the reason why I say this is what I get. And I'm telling you this, Joe, I don't know if this gum is kicking in, this is what me up, Joe. This is what me up. And I'll tell you. Example. I'm gonna give you example.

[B]

Don't give me examples.

[A]

No, I'm gonna tell you.

[B]

Are you pulling out your phone?

[A]

I'm gonna tell you why. Because your fucking shirt is fucking triggering me right now.

[B]

Kill Tony. You mean the greatest comedy show of all time in the history of the known universe?

[A]

I know that, but there's a lot of lies involved. Okay, listen, this is, this is what they say. This is what they say.

[B]

Don't pay attention to what they say. Listen, why are you doing that?

[A]

Yo, you told.

[B]

What are you playing?

[A]

Things that the Kill Tony audience say about me. Chappelle's butt plug is acting up again. Yo, I gotta deal with this. What is so. No.

[B]

Well, you gotta stop paying attention to it.

[A]

It's so hard.

[B]

You know what it would happen to me if I paid attention to all the haters that I have? Yeah, I would go crazy.

[A]

You would. Do you think that you paid attention to those haters now you're in a position right now. You have so many reasons to say fuck them. Do you feel like you had that same belief when you was first starting this? Did you engage them then?

[B]

Well, I engaged online with a lot of people in the early days. Cause I didn't understand. What you're doing is you're engaging with people that don't have happy lives.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And they're negative. And there's some criticisms that are good for, for you. Because some criticisms make you evaluate what you're doing and say, okay, well, what I need to do is be undeniable. So these critics mean nothing to me because you can't. I'm killing. The audience loves me. I'm selling out everywhere. I'm doing great on stage that you can't pay attention.

[A]

You know what? You know what? I will say this. I hear you, Joe. I tried that with them on your shirt.

[B]

You had a bad show. You had one bad show I never had. You had a bad show. You had a bad show.

[A]

Please don't do this to me, all right?

[B]

You had that one bad show where you went back and forth. Did you walk off the show?

[A]

Listen, man, I can sit the down. I can walk off this show.

[B]

You want me to play it back?

[A]

I, I. Please don't do this. You were a little drunk.

[B]

Please don't. Who is the comic? Who is the comic?

[A]

I don't know his name.

[B]

We don't need whoever that dude is. He's Funny.

[A]

Now you're doing. You know what you're doing? You're. You're being a provocatory. You're provoking me. Cause we broke this down, and I don't want to keep going through this.

[B]

I didn't think of this when I was wearing this shirt. I'll change the shirt.

[A]

No, it's okay. Put something over.

[B]

I'll wear a Benny the Jet shirt.

[A]

Let's. Let's. Let's break it down, Joe.

[B]

Oh, we don't have to.

[A]

If we have to. You started this shit. All right, thank you.

[B]

I'm gonna change my shirt right now.

[A]

It's like, I didn't have a bad show.

[B]

You definitely didn't have a great show, Right? When you walk off, it's not good.

[A]

Jesus Christ. God, I feel like Carrie. They're all gonna laugh at me. They're gonna laugh at me. It wasn't this. For the last time, Joe. For the last fucking time, Jo. And this is what's so fucking evil about this situation that some people call it a bad show. I never wanted to do the show.

[B]

But you came back on. You had a good show, right?

[A]

I wanna go back. Let's rewind. All right. And this is. You were a part of it.

[B]

Hey, look, I changed my shirt. No more triggers.

[A]

Appreciate that.

[B]

Shout out to Benny the Jet.

[A]

Ah. Okay. I feel a lot better now. Oh, boy. I need another piece of gum. I'm gonna say this. Say what it's worth. First off, I did not want the first time I did it here in Austin, right? I didn't want to do the show, okay? And the reason why I didn't want to do the show. Now you're not even paying attention.

[B]

Do you want a cigar?

[A]

Yeah, I'll take a cigar. I. I didn't want to do the show. And I'll tell you why. Because I'm the streets say I'm sensitive.

[B]

You are a little sensitive.

[A]

Can I have not have your opinion and just listen to me, please. They know I'm sensitive. It was during the pandemic, Joe, you remember. People would still come to do your podcast because they know the benefits of it. And you had your thing doing. They would come to your podcast and then they would fucking leave because they didn't want to catch COVID And then it would leave Tony stranded and he had no good guests. I was here, right? This one when. I'm talking about the time when Tony had a black band.

[B]

He still has a black man.

[A]

All black. There a couple black people on in there now. Let me.

[B]

I think it's mostly black, right?

[A]

Okay. I want to tell a story. This the last time.

[B]

I'm going to talk about deep madness. I mean, name.

[A]

It's the last time, Joe. I want to tell the truth.

[B]

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[A]

Look at the old. When it. When it's. When it was all. It had not had production, all that type shit. Tony is like. It's hard for me to get a guess. Would you stay? And this is when you fucked me up the last time you wasn't playing fair. I did? Yes, you did.

[B]

I wasn't playing fair.

[A]

No, I'm telling you when you weren't playing fair.

[B]

When was I not playing fair?

[A]

Can I talk, please? All I want to do. I don't know if I got a raise in my head. I just want to be able to speak. It is my month. It's my fucking month. So Tony said, would you stay? Come on. I was like, you know, And I stayed.

[B]

Right, okay.

[A]

And I stayed. And I stayed. I was on his show for two and a half hours. I told him this is where it gets all crazy. I told him I had something I was supposed to do. Later, there was another black comic that was on his show. He started roasting me. I had no problem with that. I had no problem him roasting me. But I felt fucked up because it was only me, him. And I was trying to get this guy some sound advice, but the only way he thought he was gonna get off by fuck with me. So I was like, yo, why you fuck with me? We on the same. Same. We on this same team. What they did was look at the video. Okay, you see, I want you to slow it down, slow it down, Slow the video down.

[B]

It's like a Zapruder film back to the left.

[A]

You're gonna let me get my thought, Joe.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

It's so easy for me to get distracted just hanging out. So if you look at this video, you see him saying something to me. And then when I leave, it's two different comics on the stage. It's a dude that I was roasting. And then they showed me the exit. And then these kill Tony ass. And I'm telling you, I'll get past it. They may. Oh, Darnell walked up. I didn't walked off. I had some other shit to do. Then the last episode, you and your boy Tony, he caught here and Tony doubled down on it and he said, no, that's not what happened. Of course them comment the ones that putting cringe on it, they rolled with it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Then I came back, came back, he.

[B]

Had an amazing show. Tony said it was one of the best shows he's ever done.

[A]

You know why it was amazing?

[B]

Cuz you were ready.

[A]

I. I'm amazing.

[B]

You. You are amazing. But also you wanted to get it back, right?

[A]

I didn't have. You know what? This is what red man said to me. Red band, Redman, whatever the name. Human changed too. I'm going tell you about why I.

[B]

Was in the Wu Tang.

[A]

Let me tell you. I'm going tell you the difference between him and I'm going to tell you the similarities between him and J a little later on. Right?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

How they're divas now. And I know you, Jamie.

[B]

My Jamie's a diva. He has a false memory of someone already. Jam the last thing from a. I will defend Jamie to the bitter end.

[A]

Well, maybe you don't know him. I don't know Jamie. Yo, let me tell you, this is Jamie.

[B]

I know Jamie better than his mom.

[A]

I know. But this is the Jamie I saw kill Tony after that. Sit down.

[B]

You're not on camera today. It was also a Saturday night.

[A]

Okay, okay. He had a leather jacket on.

[B]

Don't have a leather. Jamie had a leather jacket. He didn't call a leather jacket. Whatever it was, you own a leather jacket.

[A]

No, he. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Your collar was flipped up. Memory Joe. Collar was flipped up like dice. And then he had the shirt. You might have had Timmy. No breaks, Timmy.

[B]

No breaks.

[A]

He had the shirt open to this button right here.

[B]

Oh, right. Gold chains.

[A]

And he was sitting there. I don't know what type of moose.

[B]

Jimmy had gold chains. Boost on his hair.

[A]

Ponytail was popping, popping. He has some type of moose or something, right? And then he was just looking and I was like, what's up, Jamie? He was like. He had his hands in the pot. It was given, as they say, it was given Fonzie attitude. I knew. I knew that it changed. But this is what. Red band, red man, whatever. The man, he. Red band, red man. He said after the show. He said, that must been the most epic comeback and Kill Tony history.

[B]

I was like, well, the second episode was. He came back full shit.

[A]

You know what you're doing? I don't know.

[B]

It was great.

[A]

I'm trying to use the term. I don't think it's passive wrestle, but you fucking with my mental right now.

[B]

No, I'm telling you, you're a great comic and you're funny as fuck. And when you came back, it was amazing.

[A]

That's what you said.

[B]

The second episode was great.

[A]

This is the point I'm making of what you're doing, right? The first episode was great. It was doctor. It was Dr. Didio. Dr. Didio. You doctored it. But then here's the thing. They. He said, redman, red band. He said. He said, that was the greatest comeback. I was like, it wasn't a comeback. You're editing what it was. And this is what I did. You're editing. This is what I did. And I'm not saying I think about the Kill Tony audience like that, but I thought about them. Cause this is what I said. I was like, this is what I want. Like you said, I'm a great comedian. I know what I do. I said, you know what? I don't want to give these motherfuas opportunity to be able to fuck with me. So I did. Before I went to last. I said, okay, what did you do last time that you're gonna do different for? They wanna say that. I was like, the last one. You had some drinks. Well, I wasn't able to do anything about that because I had some more drinks. But I was like. I tried to address what their concerns were, right? Which with them, it's not gonna make a difference because I know that last episode. This is what I didn't understand about Kill Tony. I didn't understand the formula. I don't watch it like that. First time I ever did it, I was interrupting the one minute part. You know what I mean?

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

And Tony told me, first time I did it, he said, d, only one rule. He said, let them talk for a minute. I said, tony, why you have this on me on this show? You know, I'mma break the rules. He knew that, right? But then after, I was like, I understood how important it was to let those comics get that minute right. So when I did it a second time with Rob Schneider, I didn't interrupt. Sometimes my criticism could have been too hard. I was trying to be more supportive than anything. If you watched the last one I did, I had nothing bad to say about people in a harsh way. Certain people I knew was up there just because it was gimmick. And there were certain people, I was like, oh, man, they really got talent. Like this one lady, she was an older woman. I think she's a regular there. Right. I don't know what she was, but I told her, I said, you know, it's so awesome. I said, when I watch you perform, I see passion. I see somebody that's going into a different career later in life, which is the hardest thing to do. I made those points like. And I wasn't trying to be an. And even I got caught up on one, and they ran with this shit. And it's a song that. There was one of the acts by the name of Juanita. Juanita is a gender. What is it? When you.

[B]

Transgender.

[A]

Yeah. You have a dick, but you're a girl still. Yeah, yeah. Transgender, right? So she came up with this song, and she did a song. We. We will praise you, praise you. And I had a couple drinks, right? And I said. And I was thinking, like, you don't have headphones on.

[B]

What? What? Jamie, I just started playing it. Sorry.

[A]

Oh, you geared up for that, huh?

[B]

Put your headphones on.

[A]

No, listen.

[B]

Put your headphones on.

[A]

Oh, God. Okay, Go, Go. Wait a minute. That's Juanita's version. That's the rich. Okay, okay. Do you got Juanita's version?

[B]

Oh, I can find it.

[A]

Get to. So this is what happened, Joe. So I'm. I had a couple. 2, 2, 3, 4, 5. Tito's in, and I'm Only looking at the artist with my peripheral. I'm not staring nobody down and like looking at them through the pupils or whatever. So. So the performer. I'm going to say that because I don't want to get anybody upset.

[B]

The performer was like here we go. Letting them talk to still.

[A]

Okay, now look how I'm not paying attention.

[B]

Right. You're looking right at her.

[A]

Shut the up. Okay, listen. All right.

[B]

We'll see.

[A]

So it's very strange when in 2008.

[B]

Okay. Oh, they had to cut it out too. I think probably the song. Yes. That's the gayest thing I've ever done.

[A]

And I do analyze. I do a remix of that song for any black guy watching her right now. Yeah, we will. We will. Well you. It's probably true until you find out.

[B]

She has a dick Donnell. That is it. Keep it going.

[A]

Don't keep it going.

[B]

This is amazing.

[A]

That's how it happens. Ladies and gentlemen.

[B]

They can't tell.

[A]

No no, come back. The brothers.

[B]

The brothers can't tell.

[A]

The brothers can't. They will, daddy.

[B]

Will they never. The.

[A]

I was trying to be nice.

[B]

The last but keep it going, keep it going. Cuz it's hilarious.

[A]

Whereas white guys know that's the first place the white guys look. Me, I'm say Charlamagne's gonna find that clip. We will, we will. You.

[B]

You are. You are Don.

[A]

Now I'm getting word from the street. Getting word from his different. I'm sure this happened get banned like Dave Chappelle. I'm sure this happened before.

[B]

And you Korea.

[A]

I'm sure Korea as an 18 year old boy. This is a memory coming back to you.

[B]

Oh my God. This usually how black guys react.

[A]

It's pretty. Juanita, have you been with a black man before?

[B]

Go there. Keep it going. Keep it going. Get gets you fire. Okay.

[A]

Are you just saying that so that.

[B]

He doesn't find you and kill you?

[A]

No, it's raised right. I'm just kidding. I mean. Let's go. Oh, now I'm offended.

[B]

No, I have been. I've been with one.

[A]

He was half. Okay. He was half. Half a black. Okay. My career's over. It's over.

[B]

Come on. That was funny.

[A]

No, wait a minute. It was funny and I didn't take. The funny thing about it was I did have a couple of drinks. Right. People like how did you not know? Like I live in the Midwest and what I really thought it. I know women that look just like Juanita. Sure. That in the face is kind of like sketchy like A dollar general one to two. And I wasn't offended, but it just caught me off guard. But going back to what I was saying about the Kill Tony thing, and this is another thing people said, well, Darnell, you got upset because Rob Schneider was roasting you. Whatever. First off, there was the first time Rob Schneider was on the show. Right. He didn't really know too much about the Kill Tony platform. I knew a little more than he did. And at the beginning, he was kind of cold, if you want to say. Not cold, like not funny. But he just wasn't warmed up to the flow. And then I started saying things. I was alley ooping him. Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Basically, people say what they want. I helped get him comfortable in the show. And then he started crushing. Right? He started crushing. And then we. Did anybody tell you that episode was amazing? Right.

[B]

It was amazing.

[A]

But this is the thing. This is what that platform is not a place for you to tell how you really feel about somebody. Right. And I owe Tony an apology, and I'll tell you why. When Tony did the RN Republic National Convention, whatever. Remember when he did the roasting?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

For that. It was a very, very testy time. You know, politics. Everybody shouldn't do this and everything.

[B]

I told him not to do it.

[A]

You told him not to do the show, not to do it.

[B]

The Republican Party thing.

[A]

Here's the thing. This is what. Just for the people that's listening, this is what happened at the end of that Kill Tony with me and Rob Schneider. All I wanted to do, I had the question on where do you draw the line? Do you draw the line of what people think? How you supposed to respond something? Or do you loyal? Are you loyal to somebody or how they treat you and how they are as a friend to you? And Tony wanted me to do that show. And anytime I've called Tony, he's pick up the phone. Vice versa. We've been in for each other. My publicist, I don't know if this is a good idea right now. Because what you think is a nice gesture, you want to do the show, people are going to act like it's a political stand. I didn't want that. Right. So I had to.

[B]

You can't listen to publicists.

[A]

This is what I learned now, Joe, you know what I'm saying? That was my inexperience, whatever. And something. I kept calling her. I was like, what if I do this because I wanted to be reconnected with him, whatever. And I told Tony he was hot in a good way and a positive way. I felt so bad. I caught him. I said, man, I really want to do this show, but I think people are going to take it the wrong way now, right? And this with me, I felt bad about it. I stood up at your condo. I was on the balcony, bruh. And I watched motherfuckers going to the show. I felt bad about it. I didn't do it. And the only thing I wanted to do at the end of that Kill Tony episode was to apologize to him and say, you know, as a friend, I probably wasn't there. And he understood, even though I was like, he's never gonna let me do the show again. He said, I'd love to have you there. The only issue I had with Rob Schneider in that moment, he didn't have the sense of me trying to say something serious, right? And he was getting a laugh of this one joke, and it was at my expense. You know, when I had this moment, I was talking about friendship and everything. Rob kept on with this fucking corny joke, and I didn't want to flip out. And then people took that as like, oh, yeah, Rob roasted him the fuck out of here. I was trying to talk about. And I had this issue. You might have the same issue. Some people know people a certain way, you know them different way. And I use an example, and I'm going to give. Get shitted on for saying this or whatever. Like, oh, how could you say that? I.

[B]

You gotta stop worrying about what other people think.

[A]

Can't do it. I can't do it.

[B]

You gotta stop worrying about what other people think. This is the conflict. You know how you feel? Just be yourself.

[A]

I'll just say this. Kid Rock. Kid Rock, right? You say that name for some people in certain places, they. Oh, fuck him or whatever. Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

I met Kid Rock Rock some years ago when we were doing the Cornfield shows in Yellow Springs. And I tell people something. We talked about this earlier. Some people are provocateurs. I really believe Kid Rock doesn't believe half the shit he say. But I think that he knows what's going to move the dial is what's going to make him be in the headlines or what. People like, oh, shit, he's going to stick to that.

[B]

When we did that show in Nashville, remember, we hung out with him, went to his house.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And with that, even when he came to Cornfield at that time, this was the point where he said some crazy shit out of his mouth. Nobody wanted to be around him or anything, right? He was like, oh, ba, ba, ba, ba, BA Right. You know, when I do, I do this thing called I do River Runs in Yellow Springs, Ohio. And for some reason, I take people down the river. And it's like a peace thing, like you in nature.

[B]

Got a photo of you right outside the door.

[A]

I know I asked for that photo here, too. It's right outside the door. I love that. So now if you look at that photo, you'll see the energy. That's the vibe I was on. And nobody wanted to get close to Kid Rock or anything, right? And I remember as a kid how the black community accepted him in school. I'm thinking about that shit. We're riding down the river. Kid is over on one kayak. I'm on the other side. We smoking and joint. And he looked at me, and I know he was sincere when he said it. He said, man, it felt like I just had 13 hours of anger management, right? And I was like, okay, I'm not trying to be a therapist or anything, but that felt good. Then at the end, we stopped. He's flipping burgers and shit. We got to know each other. We kept in touch with each other. And he was doing a comedy festival in Nashville, right? He appreciated me as a comedian. He said, yo, D, I'm doing this. I was like one of the first people he called, right? He said, you want to do it? I was like, why not? Then I thought about it. I was like, again, what you're saying? I was like, what people gonna think? Seven comedians on the show. I'm the only black guy. I knew what I was walking into. I knew it was. It was gonna be all magas. It wasn't gonna be a gay person. It wasn't gonna be a midget, it wasn't gonna be a lesbian. It wasn't gonna be anything but bona fide, the real, real red, white and blue flag motherfuckers. But I said, donnell, can you separate? Can you go up here? Can you perform and be entertaining? Not shucking and jiving or none of that type of shit. I went up there, last person got a standing ovation right at the end of the show. This is what people might not understand. And I'm not trying to defend him or anything. At the end of the show, me and Kid Rock. In this case, I wanna say Kid Rock wasn't backstage. Bobby was right. And he said, man. He looked at me, he said, man, I think we just brought this country back together, right? And I said, well, don't separate it, motherfucker. He said, okay. Two weeks later, he do some other Stupid shit. When Trump got elected, I know people went to his page to see what his response was gonna be. Was he gonna gloat? Was like, fuck y', all, this is America. He did this video, which I thought was so dope, cuz it showed two sides of him. It showed Kid Rock and it showed Bobby, right? And then how they both responded to Donald Trump being elected. The Kid Rock was the crotch grabbing motherfucker. Fuck you, right? Then he came out, you find this. He came out as Bobby with shorts, just no American flags, baseball cap, fucking reading glasses or whatever. And I thought it was dope, the dialogue that he had with it. He played the victory. He said, you know, we did win. He said, but this is not a time to gloat. There's so much stuff that we need to do. He said, all sides want to get to a certain place, but we have different ideas on how we gonna get there. I thought that for whatever people want to think, I thought that was showing another side. And also I told him, because I would talk to him off and on. I said, you know what song you should do? You should do Nina Simone's song Misunderstood, right? Just sing that shit. But I know he wouldn't never do that because the bass that really likes and supports somebody like, oh, he's soft. Now, the point I'm making with. Even though with Tony, with the situation, I consider Tony a good friend of mine for different reasons, right? That's why I wanted to have that moment, to say that. But Rob Schneider, as much as they say I took away from moments on that show, he took away from that moment. I wasn't trying to be a bitch, I wasn't trying to be soft. But I wanted to say I apologize because sometimes friendships got to be stronger than that. And that's where I was with that. And as much as I don't need the Kill Tony show, and this is what I always say about that. I said, there's not. That reminds me. Kill Tony reminds me of the Def Jam era, right? And when I say that there was a platform for undiscovered talent, people that you've never seen for it's such a spectacle like Def Jam. It was people that didn't have the skill set to fucking go headline, but they was being seen. Same thing with Kill Tony. You look at what is your phone on?

[B]

Is your phone dinging?

[A]

Shut that shit off. This is what I appreciate about this show. For whoever likes it or whatever, it's a platform to get on. I travel around the country. It used to Be you remember back in the day, it was like, oh, I need to be on Letterman. I need to be on the Carson, whatever that is. I gotta get on kill tone 100%. And in some cases, it's some good and bad to that. There's some people that was ready for it. There's some people like, you know what? You had two or three minutes worth of jokes. You know what I'm saying? You're not ready. But it gave people some hope. When I was standing at the hotel the other day, three people travel across the country, like, with the hopes of that, you know, So I know how important that show is. You know, is it the fan base? I want them to be like, oh, I can't wait to see them. But for me, I always. My whole career, Joe, I always wanted to be around the people, the places that they say the best comedians perform. When I started, when I was in New York, I wanted to get past it, the comedy side. Not because I wanted to be a Cellar dweller. I didn't want to be the guy in the back fucking just every weekend, just sit back there telling war stories. I was like, if this is where the best comics perform, I want to be a part of that. I want to be past that. Because when I got passed in the Comedy Cellar, it wasn't a lot of black comedians working excellent. It was Greer Barnes. It was Keith Robinson, RIP it was Wim Stevenson, Patrice Patrice, Dave Chappelle. In fact, Barry Katz had a room. Boston comedy Club. And it was Black night on Sundays, right? The black comedies looked at me like, they say, where you going? I was like, I got a spot at the Cellar. They're like, how the fuck did you get in the Cellar? The way I got into it was put the work in. I hung out, got a couple of recommendations, and when it was time for me to showcase, I did my thing. But the minute I got passed in the Cellar, I didn't really care about working there all the time. I just wanted to be validated as, like, this is the spot. Same thing.

[B]

I get it.

[A]

You know, same thing with the Comedy Store. Same thing with what you're doing here. It was that part.

[B]

I get it. Grier Barnes, probably one of the most underappreciated talents in the country, but you know what? I've known that dude for 30 years. He's a funny motherfucker, and he's been funny forever.

[A]

You know, it's so funny that you said underappreciated, because, you know, when you, you know, comedians that put the Work in or whatever. It's a phrase that people use, underrated. But then you gotta ask, who rated? You didn't use those words. You said underappreciated. But he is. I don't know.

[B]

Sometimes you gotta ask yourself, he's not underrated by comics. He's underappreciated by audience members for whatever reason. I think it's a social media thing. I just think he doesn't have a big presence on social media for whatever reason. He's a solid, solid fucking comic, though. Always has been. And a solid guy and a good dude.

[A]

But that's another thing. This is the era that we in right now. And it's like. And you notice it's even more so now. The most talented people aren't getting the shots. If you don't know how to evolve.

[B]

Well, it's not even just that because, like, look at Dave Chappelle. Not Dave Chappelle, Excuse me, Dave Attell. David Tell, I think is one of the funniest dudes who's ever lived ever, ever. One of the best comics ever in the history of comedy. And mostly does clubs and does, like, theaters and stuff like that. He should be sold out arenas all across the country. But he does not promote himself. He's not into social media, but I don't even think much other than specials, I don't think.

[A]

I think a tale would be petrified. Not that he couldn't do it. And it was probably. Remember with the show he had. What was that? The late night show. That was before anybody was doing it. Yeah, the late night show. He'd go to bars and stuff like that.

[B]

Insomniac.

[A]

Yeah, insomniac. This is before everybody was doing the ring. I don't think that some people, they, like. I think he's always gonna make millions of dollars touring or whatever. But I think his comfort zone is, like, he's not a club act, but he's a club comment. I think the best thing for him he ever wants to be is in front of 250 to 500 people.

[B]

Well, he's awesome in that, but he does, like, when Burt does arenas, he does arenas and he murders in are. I think the real thing with him is that he's just focused on his craft only. And the props that he gets from other comedians on podcasts and things along those lines is what really fuels his popularity. And then when people go to see him, just word of mouth.

[A]

Do you think some people might be afraid of a certain level of fame that they don't want to have there is that.

[B]

I don't think he's.

[A]

That.

[B]

I just don't think he thinks about it. I mean, he doesn't even have a phone. Like, he carries a flip phone with him all the time. He has an iPhone that he likes, like, stores away, and sometimes he uses it. But when you text him, he texts you on, like, well, you got to press forward.

[A]

You know what I. Joe, you know what it is, right?

[B]

Well, he doesn't want to be distracted.

[A]

He's in the Epstein files. Yo, you got to have him distracted. You need a burner phone if you heavily in the Epstein files.

[B]

No, I think he's only in the Epstein files because he was on a lineup that Epstein was going to go see at the Cellar.

[A]

I think David tells Louis J. Gomez.

[B]

Is on that too.

[A]

I like him. I think David Tail is like. I think Dave Tail's ultimate happiness is being on silent.

[B]

Shut your fucking phone off, man. Put that shit on silent. Just put it on silent. Do you know how to do that? You don't know how to do that?

[A]

Don't disrespect me like that.

[B]

Put it on. Do not disturb.

[A]

You know how to do it. Okay, it's off. It's off.

[B]

Okay. Keeps dinging you popular motherfucker.

[A]

I think some people. I think my opinion, David Taylor, his comfort zone is fucking just being as incognito as he tries to be. It's just like, oh, I came up with this. I don't know anybody that turns over material. There's certain comics. You look at Joe and you like, God damn. This motherfucker's constantly trying. When I work with Dave, he forced me to do that. Deon Cole is another guy. When I watch Dion, Cole does, like, at the Hollywood Improv, I think maybe three times a week, he just have a Monday night, and he just use it as a workout, right? Me, when I go into a spot, I'm trying to beat the fuck, I'm trying to beat it up. So sometimes I get distracted on what I'm really there for. That's to work out new material. There's a such a. There's a different level where you just like, you know what? I could deal with the silence. I could deal with something not working. And when I watch people like him. There's another comedian in LA by the name of Malik S that doesn't have all that notoriety like that. But when I see him, I'm like, damn. Every time I see this motherfucker, he's working on some new and has the Same passion. Everybody doesn't have that. That's why David Till will always give other comics something to like, try to achieve. Because he, like, you ain't gonna see him doing the same. It's always a flip. And that's what makes him who he is. And that's why he gets so respected by so many.

[B]

Well, he's. He's only focused on his craft. Whereas some people are really focused on social media and promotions and they have a guy that films him doing a bunch of wild things and edits with music.

[A]

I've never seen so many comedians have full out production crews with them on an intro.

[B]

I know on stage they think that that's what they need, you know, they think that's what they need to separate them. And it does get them attention. But what it takes away, it does draw some focus away from what you're trying to do, which is work on your shit and come up with new stuff where a towel doesn't have any of that.

[A]

But with that said, it takes away. But then it also lets you know who the special people are right now. Fucking my goddamn guy that services my pool. And she'll say, he's got a H. He's got a special coming out. I don't know who doesn't have a special coming out. And the thing about it is, like, now Joe, you know it. Specials aren't, if you really look at it, specials aren't special anymore. It's special.

[B]

It's a weird word, right? Specials are a weird world. It's got a new special like no other art form calls it a special. Like if someone like Taylor Swift puts out a concert video, it's a video of her performance. You know, a musician puts out a video, it's that. It's like for a comic, we got a weird word, special.

[A]

You know what special is now when you get excited about special, if people still do that, it's who's putting it out. It's special people that do it. It's special people like Sebastian, he's doing it special. You know what I'm saying? Fucking Tom does it special. It's special people where, you know it's special. And a lot of them now it's just people that's doing 45 minutes worth of comedy. No beginning, no middle, no end, no point of view. You don't know anything about them. It's just like the same way they do photo dumps. It's just like joke dumps, right? But I'll just say. And I'm not. People say Dave Chappelle's butt play. But one thing I could say, however you look.

[B]

Dave Chappelle's a what?

[A]

No, I'm Dave Chappelle's butt plug. I'm going back to. That's what people, you know, they.

[B]

You gotta stop listening to what other people say.

[A]

Well, I'm segueing into a story.

[B]

Is it about Jamie wearing a Fonzie jacket?

[A]

He's got him in all colors. He's got him in all colors. He's got a red, white and blue one, you know.

[B]

And like people took it off before the show.

[A]

People get so critical. But at certain point people evolve. People that you know them certain way. But then you talking about a person that's of 35, 40 year career. Like people like, well, this last special, so and so did. It wasn't that funny. But how often, how long are you going to just be like rip roaring funny? Some people have a position where when they talk, people listen. And I look at, I use Dave as an example. If you look at all this special 20 years from now, right. You having Netflix a chill day or whatever, if you play all the special today ever did, you would know exactly what was going on in the world at that time. You know what I mean?

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what's going. Some people put out singles, they got one or two jokes and some people put out albums. He's one of those people. Sebastian is another one. And you look at like, you see how his comedy is evolved. People get older, they have different perspective on life and that's what you have to fucking accept them for. But we don't do that. Right. And another thing, I don't know. So if this is prevalent in your community and when I say that your community is a lot of people, but my community, man, it's just so much dumb beef. And I've. It's only one white beef I've ever known about and that's yours.

[B]

Mine?

[A]

Yes. What do you mean the beef that you had with a. I don't even.

[B]

With Ben S. You.

[A]

Yeah, years ago.

[B]

Oh well, that was the same thing like with Cat. Like some just has to be exposed. That was a real problem, man. You weren't around the store back then, but it was a real problem where he had that special or that show rather on Comedy Central after Dave left, which was basically doing his version of Dave's sketches and he was.

[A]

Steve, do you think it was his version of Dave sketches?

[B]

It was a lot of was like the one when he dressed like the white guy and had White paint on his face and wore the white wig. It was basically the same same character that Dave was doing.

[A]

Yeah, but if you look at the history of sketch comedy, I don't think Dave was the first person to ever paint and dressed himself up to look like.

[B]

Yeah, but it was right afterwards, right after, same slot.

[A]

Anything that came after Chappelle's show, they would have compared.

[B]

Dave was saying it. Yeah, Dave never talked shit about nobody. Was like, this motherfucker's doing my show. Dave was saying it. Dave doesn't talk shit about nobody. Somebody.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It was. But that was the. That was only one of the problems. The real problem was he would sit in the back room and watch open mic nights and take their. Like when they would flash the light when he was in the room. So comics wouldn't do material. They would start doing crowd work.

[A]

So why didn't he get exposed before that? Why did it just come?

[B]

Because nobody had the balls to do it.

[A]

And then he had to, because he.

[B]

Was famous at the time and he was doing. And look at it cost me. I got banned from the store. I lost my agent and I was famous. I was on Fear Factor. I was rich.

[A]

I.

[B]

There was a. I had a lot going for me where I could stick my neck out.

[A]

But you came back stronger. I give another example. Like the same situation with Dave and Comedy Central. And as much as he went through that. Yeah, he took a 12 year hiatus or whatever.

[B]

You want to say what Dave showed in that is that he's a real artist.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Dave just said, fuck it, I'm gonna disappear for a while. Like a legend. He just disappeared. I remember when I was hearing stories about Dave doing shows where he would set up a speaker in Seattle, in the park, and just start doing stand up. And people like, what the fuck? And for no money, people would just show up and he would just do street performances.

[A]

But you know what was kind of where he got it from? You've heard of a comment? I'm pretty sure of it. Charlie Barnett, 100%.

[B]

Yeah, we played Charlie Barnett on the show. I knew Charlie.

[A]

Charlie was like, if you ever thought you were funny, whatever, go. This is what the art of. Only people I've ever known that got certain levels of success with that. Charlie Barnett, Michael Collier, when he used to be Venice Beach.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But people don't understand how Charlie Barnett would like to go to a park, go to the center of Washington Square.

[B]

Park and get a. Gather around a bunch of people in a show.

[A]

It's a certain technique. Not only that, you gotta hold their attention for one joke, right? You gotta get them involved, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you build this audience up and then it's really for one joke.

[B]

A lot people don't know that Charlie got Saturday Night Live, but he couldn't read.

[A]

Yeah, he couldn't. And that's what opened up the door. But he was so gangster. Like when they wouldn't give him spots because, you know, he was probably a bit to deal with, he would go to the Boston Comic cup and yell in there, don't go in there, I'm doing my show in five minutes. The whole fucking club would come out. That's how much power he had. But then sometimes that we become victims of our own vices and everything and destroy us more than anything. That's why when people talk shit about like they, oh, Kevin, Kevin Hart didn't get out the mud, you got funny. But, you know, funny isn't everything. Okay, you're funny, that's nice. Oh, so good that you got talent. But more importantly, it's your work ethics. And how do you take your God given talent and your passion and turn it into money? You know, you're into music and everything. You probably could name a million saxophonists or whatever that didn't get to do that. You could be like, well, listen to this shit. But for some reason they didn't have the business part and all that together. And I'm going back, I'm probably talking to circles now, but this is what upsets me the most about my folks or whatever. These people that go on these platforms and talk shit about people. There was a comedian that was talking shit about Martin Lawrence, right? Well, I saw Martin Lawrence and Martin Lawrence in the casino. He's really, it's not that funny. I'm like, this motherfucker, he's Martin Lawrence.

[B]

Well, they didn't know him in the 90s. I used to follow him. Martin Lawrence, No.

[A]

This person particularly, no. If you just know Martin Lawrence, period, that's enough. Richard Pryor, before he passed away, when he was in a wheelchair, damn near rolled him out on the stage, sold out audiences.

[B]

I followed him for six weeks. I followed him for six weeks at the Comedy Store when he was like that.

[A]

Certain people, Joe, I look at this business are made people. How dare you talk shit about this motherfucker.

[B]

That's a good way to put it. He's a made man.

[A]

Another thing, Joe, a legend. You know, in this business you can have a career, right? But you have certain times where you just ruled you had three years Martin Lawrence, film star, movie star, comedy star. He had one period of time for five or seven years when it was just Martin everywhere. How dare you as a person. You gets older. And whether he has a good, bad a night or a bad night, how are you to judge? And you ain't doing shit. How are you to judge a motherfucker that. When I was coming up, Joe, every fucking black comic in the business wanted an audition. Everybody wanted to be Hustle, man. Everybody wanted to just get two or three minutes on Martin's show because they knew what that dude that would do their career. So you judge a motherfucker years down the road, right? Where they basically. Basically when Martin goes out, guess what? Martin not doing no tour, saying, I'm doing 45 minutes. Whatever. He's like, y' all want to see me? Guess what? Y' all gonna see this young talent. You gonna see this person. I'm putting people on. How dare you even have come out your fucking mouth and talk shit about this motherfucker. How dare you talk shit about motherfuckers that talk shit about Kevin Hart. How dare you talk shit about a motherfucker that was rocking with a dude. Nate Smith, RIP Passed away. I remember when Kevin Hart was the one of the motherfuckers doing those comment calls. All right, all right. I'm doing E. Miss email list. One perception. I remember when fucking Kevin Hart had fucking 20,000 people on Instagram. No, On Twitter and at the radio. He was like, yo, radio station. Yo, D. This apartment. I seen the hard work. I seen him not just come to fucking New York and do the black rooms. I'm doing the black rooms. I'm doing the white rooms. I'm doing all of this shit. How dare you? I'll just say this and I'll answer this. And ain't no beef or not. Katt Williams said. This is what Katt Williams said about Kevin Hart. I find it very strange that you just come from New York and then you have a TV show and a movie show. And how does that happen? You were in New York. I'll tell you how it happens. You're on the biggest showcase in comedy. And you know what that is? Jfl just for laughs. Kevin Hart was a product of that. Monique was a product of that. Dave Chappelle was a product of that. No, no. Kevin Hart wasn't pounding the streets in la, but he happened to be on a showcase. When you yell back in the day you do with JFL, it was motherfuckers leaving there that probably had $500 in the bank, leaving with a quarter million dollar development deal just to do nothing. That's the era it was. I remember. So just because you weren't in LA doesn't mean you wasn't beating the pavement. And I don't care. In la, you got LA and New York. Nobody as a standup comic grinds as hard as a comic. Coming from New York, opposed to la, la. And the reason why LA don't have that many stages, Louisiana don't have that many stages. They would tell you all the time as a stand up comic, if you're trying to be an actor, whatever, go to la. If you want to be a great stand up comic, bang it out in New York. And this was the rule back in the day, Joe, let Hollywood call you. You just don't go to LA to sleep on somebody couch. Some people had that story, but it was like you grind. And back then.

[B]

Everybody's got their own path, darling. You could do whatever the fuck you want. It's just work on your act.

[A]

That's the point that I'm making.

[B]

Yeah, it's just everybody's got their own path. The real problem in this conversation is what I said earlier. It's worrying about what other people think. The more you spend time worrying about what other people think, the less you're worrying about what you're doing. Unless you're thinking about what you're actually trying to achieve.

[A]

And I listen to what you're saying and I don't listen to what you're saying. And the reason why I say that every time I go into this rabbit hole or whatever, it's the echo. It's like a Rogan angel right here and it's whispering. Don't read the comments.

[B]

Yeah, but I'm right.

[A]

I still read them. I know you should, but I'm stopping. But this is another thing I didn't know. What I didn't know is that white comedians actually have beef with each other. I did not know. Or at least it's not. You don't hear about it.

[B]

It's rare, it's more rare. And the ones who have beef are usually failures. They're usually people that aren't doing well. Usually people that aren't doing well. Okay.

[A]

I'm exposing the industry right now. I haven't said what's so funny. And this was interesting. I was at the Comedy Store.

[B]

Oh, you told me this.

[A]

This is so fucking funny to me, son. About two months ago. Right. I'm good friends with Bill Burr. You know, we did, we had Rich Bitch tour with Charlie Murphy, me, Bill Burr, years ago. And I know Mark Marin, right? I don't know. What I found out is I didn't know Mark Marin the way white people know Mark Marin, right? So I know Mark Marin. Like, when I see Mark Marin, I was like, oh, that's the guy that had one of the greatest podcasts out. That guy. That was one of the alternative comedy favorites, Marc Maron special. So when I see Marc Maron, I have a certain level of respect, like, oh, that's the guy who did it. Whatever. So I was doing Annie Letterman's show for what, Annie Wood or whatever, right? And I love that girl. And I'm in the green room and I'm smoking a joint. I forgot who sponsored this weed, but it was incredible, right? So I'm in there and I'm cracking jokes. Bill is right there. And then Mark is over by the side of the door, and I'm cracking jokes with Bill and everything. And I felt something. Nobody was really laughing at my jokes, right? That all of a sudden, a whole fucking argument popped off. And it was like. It was white argument because it was so nice. They were so gentlemen to each other. It was a whole bunch of, oh, yeah, but you'll never do my podcast. It was like podcast beats. I'm right in the middle. I don't even know. I didn't even know that they had beef like this, but they were so gentle about it. But I'll tell you the difference between white beef and black beef. I never felt that I was gonna get shot, yo. I felt so safe, yo. If anything, I thought it'd be like, lawsuits the next morning, defamation of charact, slander. But I never knew that it was fucking Caucasian and on Caucasian beef like that. But this is an example, and it was entertaining.

[B]

This is an example. Marc Maron was doing really well at one point in time in his career, and now he's not. So Marc Maron had the number one podcast. And after a while, his podcast wasn't even the top 200. It dropped off Bill Burr. His career took off. He's doing arenas. He's killing it. Mark's not. And Mark finds reasons to criticize other people that are doing much better than. Than him. And he focuses on that because he thinks he should be getting more than he deserves.

[A]

But do you think that's going back to being a provocateur? He knows if he talked this. No, no, no.

[B]

I think it's going back to being bitter and jealous, thinking about other people instead of thinking about himself and why people don't want to go see him anymore. He was upset when we left the Comedy Store because we took the crowds away. And it's like, hey, you were on the marquee too, man.

[A]

Right.

[B]

They're not coming to see you. And the reason why they're not coming to see you is because you're not doing well. Well. And your podcast was in the top. It was number one. And when it was at number one, by the way, this is why I always say about Mark Marin, he was great. Mark, man, was fun to hang out with when he was killing it, right? Because he was happy, because he was getting validation, because he had the number one podcast. We were friends. Like, I did his podcast, he did mine. We had a good time. I'd hug him when I seen. Like, we had gone back and forth many times and having beef with each other. Do you think his problem. Let me finish. His problem was when everybody else started doing really good and he started dropping off.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's what happened.

[A]

This is what I don't understand. Why can't people understand that you have a moment? Like, I was talking.

[B]

Because he's a fucking narcissist. And he wants the moment to always be around him. He wants it to always be about him. And when other people are doing better than him, he wants to talk shit about them. And that's where Bill had a problem with it.

[A]

You think being a narcissist in this field is a bad thing for some reason? I think that kind of fuels you to be the person that you are, to be determined to do it and not give a fuck about what nobody.

[B]

Well, having self respect and having an ego where you care about what you put out, yes, that's a good thing. But making it all about you and not being able to appreciate other people's work is crazy. Because other people doing well can be fuel for you to be inspired and do better yourself. And that's a positive thing. And if these people are your friends and you love them and you care about them, you should be happy that they're killing it. And if you're not killing it anymore, you should try to figure out why. Why? Because it's not like the door is not open. It's not like you're not getting on stage. It's not like you're not putting out specials. You should probably figure out why your podcast dropped from number one to not even in the top 200 anymore without anything happening. You didn't get arrested. There was no scandal. There was nothing Crazy. You should try to figure that out. And he doesn't do that because he's instead bitter. Bitter and jealous. He's always been like that.

[A]

I didn't know.

[B]

Story about Jon Stewart and Andrew Schultz came on the podcast and told the story about John Stewart and Marin where Marin confronted Jon Stewart. But Jon Stewart got some television show. He called him a sellout. He yelled at him, all this different shit. Jon Stewart left the show and they hired Marin to do the same show. Yeah, the same show that he was calling Jon Stewart for being a sellout.

[A]

So how did you go from that to okay, for you to have one of the biggest podcasts at some point in your career, you had to be likable or you think people just wanted to do the show.

[B]

There wasn't very many podcasts back then. The thing that killed Marin's podcast, my personal opinion, no hate, is that he has this rant at the beginning of his podcast that's not entertaining. I don't think it's good. And he, the rant was long and he would just ramble about himself. Was very self obsessed. And I just don't think it was good. And I think that was part of the problem. It's also the problem was how he interviewed people. He had a very confrontational interview style, specifically with some comedians that he felt like were below him or that he could pick on.

[A]

You would think that that style would work in this day and age.

[B]

Oh, no, no, no, no. People always to be uncomfortable. They want to like you, man. They want you to be a good person.

[A]

People want train wrecks.

[B]

They want train wrecks for 15 second or 30 minute, 30 second Instagram clips. They don't want train wrecks to be their primary thing they're listening to when they're in traffic on the way to work.

[A]

But the people that host these podcasts now, like, I think people go on these podcasts now and like this, this is going to be clickbait. We're going to go viral.

[B]

Yeah, but that's. They're not that talented. That's why they're doing it, is because that's their only, only method of getting attention. If they were entertaining and interesting and fascinating, then their podcast would be about that.

[A]

You know what it's all in what.

[B]

You'Re trying to focus on. What I try to focus on on my podcast is who do I want to talk to? I never have someone on and go, oh, this would be great. It'd be very controversial. People hate them. It'll be crazy. They'll Say wild. I never do that. My podcast is only about. About who do I want to talk to. That's why I have a lot of people on that aren't even remotely famous. Because they're interesting, right? I find them interesting. I find with a book they wrote interesting, the documentary they made interesting. I want to know something about them. It stimulates my curiosity.

[A]

Do you think that there's going to be a shift? Do you think that these salacious interviews, these interviews with the provocation, think about it, okay?

[B]

That's my key.

[A]

I don't think about it. I will say this. You know what's funny about what you said? Said that I was with Dave a while ago and he echoed the exact same thing. And I was having this conversation with him. He said, d, I don't even think about that shit.

[B]

Yeah, don't think about it. There's other things to think about. I've said this too many times. If people heard this before, I'm sorry. Think of your focus and your attention like a number. Think of you have like 100 points in a day to spend on things. If you spend 30 of those points thinking about haters or 30% those thinking about bitter people, 30% thinking about other people that are doing better than you, that's 30 that you robbed from the hundred percent that you have to focus on your life. I have things to do, man. I have a family, I have friends, I have loved ones, I have interests, I have hobbies, I have comedy and podcasts and the UFC and all these different things that I like to do and I think about those things. I don't think about negative, stupid things with people that have bitter, angry minds that are concentrating on other people's success and trying to tear them down all the time, because they're trying to tear them down all the time because they compare themselves to them and they don't like how they stack up. They don't like the fact that person's doing better. They don't like the fact that person's more successful. So they try to take things either out of context or they try to misrepresent who that person is. They try to change public perception of that person to try to drag that person down. And it's transparent, inherent. The reason why it doesn't work is because people inherently know what you're trying to do. It might get people, oh, there's beef.

[A]

Oh, there's beef.

[B]

Those are simple minded people that you're always going to attract, but you're not going to change people's Opinions of things.

[A]

Right?

[B]

It's. It's a trick. It's a trap that you're playing on yourself. It's a waste of your precious resources. You only have so much time in the day. My time I spend on things that I think are interesting or beneficial or things that excite my curiosity. And I think that is the way I like to live my life. Now, if you like to live your life constantly engaged in beefs and being filled with anxiety and stress, and you want to do that, okay. But those are bitter people. I don't want to be a bitter.

[A]

Person in another life. Could you have been a therapist?

[B]

Well, I majored in psychology. For the brief amount of time that I was in college, that was what I was interested in. But it was. I was doing that because I was fucking fighting at the time, and I was trying to figure out how to manage my mind. So I was trying to figure out the inner workings of the human psyche.

[A]

Do you think I know this is. I'm not. Do you think your success made you a more calm person to not give a.

[B]

Well, it certainly helps, right? You don't have to give a. If you have enough money that you could just like, disappear off into the sunset. Never have to worry about money because a lot of people are always worried about money. And so you're always constantly in this state of anxiety, trying to get more. That helps. But it's also. It's like there's other things in life. I concentrate on my loved ones. I concentrate on my friends. I concentrate on things I enjoy doing, on fun. This. This life is short, man. You and I are 58 years old. We're more than halfway dead. Why would you spend time concentrating on people you don't like? Like this one thing. If someone's wronging you, it's one thing. If you find out you have a business partner who's been stealing money or you have someone who's lying about Dane Cook.

[A]

No, I'm just saying.

[B]

Brother.

[A]

I know his own brother stole from dangers like this. Yeah, the. Yeah, it's very, very interesting. And I'm at a place right now. I was. I was with John Ham, right. San Francisco. And I had just did a show with Dave and it was interesting. He said something to me. He's in the back and he's with his wife and me kicking in. He used to come out to summer camp, everything, hang out with us. I don't say we like super friends, but we have mutual respect for each other. And it was interesting because we're in the green room. And this is after I had just slayed this audience or whatever, right? And I'm feeling good. And he said, don, and he said, what is it that you really want to do? He said, what is it that you want? I said, what kind of question? He said, no, I mean, what is it? What is it tv? Is it TV show? Is it movies? I was like, john, I'm doing exactly what I want to do. For me to be able to wake up, not have to work for anybody, call my own shots, make a fair wage, take care of my family, enjoy my friends and everything, and it's me connecting with a God given talent. Anything else is a bonus. I don't look at it like I need the private jet and everything. Certain things you're like, you know, that would be nice. But I just look at what this life has given me and I'm appreciative of that. I know so many people that, of my class, whatever, that aren't doing nearly as well as I am, or even the ones that aren't, that don't mean that they're happy. You know what I'm saying? So when he asked my question, I didn't think any bad of it. I was like this. I don't get caught up on looking at somebody. They got this, they got that. I like this. Am I happy? Am I comfortable? Do I get to do what I want? So whether I tell people all this all the time, whether I get another film opportunity, whether I get another TV show or whatever, or any of that, I'm living what some people's dreams are.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And it's not my dream, it's my reality. Yes. And I also had to realize this is so easy for us to do. You can be so connected with somebody. And even with my situation, with my connection with Dave and everything, I'm a huge fan of Dave. He's given me great opportunities and everything. But at some point in my life, I had to say, you can't be caught up in somebody else's dreams so much that you forget your realities. And my reality is whether I'm alongside of him or what I'm doing, I got to continue to be Donnell Rollins. I got to continue to support my family. I got to continue to do things that I do. And it's so easy, it's so easy for me to get caught up like I'm rolling with Dave, we on the jets, we doing this type of shit. But then I'll lose focus on who I am. And I realized from, and my Career continues to go. When I know how to make that separation I do have.

[B]

Yeah, but the thing is, even when you're caught up with Dave, you still love him and you don't hate him at all. You're not jealous of him.

[A]

Not at all.

[B]

You might get caught up in the wave because you're hanging out with one of the greatest comics that's ever lived, but it doesn't mean that it's a negative.

[A]

And, you know, another thing, let me add to that. And I'm not blowing my own horn or whatever. Like you said, one of the greatest comedies ever lived. Right. If a person had a conversation with Dave Chappelle, people can say, whatever I'm worrying about. People think if you ask Dave, who is in his top five comedians, my name's gonna come up. So as much as people, they always talk about, they always try to pin me, like, blah, blah, this and everything. I respect the fact that he respects me. I respect him. When we work together, we push each other, we make each other. Whatever people want to say, we make each other better. And what other people understand is that, like, he's, like, truly my friend. You know what I mean? It's not like I just work on a show. He's my friend. And even when. Some of my fondest memories, especially when I come here, is when we was doing those fucking shows.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When we was doing shit nobody was.

[B]

Doing, when we were doing those lockdown shows. That was fun, yo.

[A]

It was.

[B]

That was wild times.

[A]

It was already. We already have a community we all have mutual respect for. But the thing that made that so special, wasn't nobody doing this shit.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's what made it. And it really. One thing about the pandemic, it made you appreciate life a lot more than before the pandemic.

[B]

Yeah. It made you appreciate freedom, Freedom, ability to do shows. Remember we did those shows outside and everybody was wearing a mask. It was so stupid.

[A]

But we did. But we.

[B]

And they all got tested, too.

[A]

We got. They was. I had so much fun during the pandemic. I was almost embarrassed to show the pictures. I wanted to show, like, faceless shit, yo. We would take pictures and people was like this, look at him. He could kill my grandmother. I'm like, all right, first of all, you did it. Dave did it. I was like, people like this, oh, it must be nice to have rich friends that have testing machines. I was like, you're absolutely right. It is. It's beautiful. It is the most amazing shit ever. Dave Chappelle raped my nose for two Summers in a row when we were doing the shows in the cornfields and shit. But this is what people don't understand. He took the opportunity, that village of Yellow Springs. He made it as safe as it could be. Like, any place we would go, hotel staff, everybody had an opportunity to get. Everybody had an opportunity to get tested. And I remember this was very interesting when the bubble. We did one. This was Bob Saget RS Pete. We were doing these shows. And I think that before Bob passed away, when he came out to Yellow Springs and was hanging out with Dave and us and everything, it gave him some incentive to want to go back on the road and do it. He was just got really excited about doing it again. We did, like 55 shows. The summer was over. The run was clear. We had no positives or anything. Dave extended the show another week, and that week was when the bubble popped, right? And now everybody's, like, freaking out, like, oh, my God. These same women that was people was coming out there when they was getting flown out in jets. They weren't getting traffic. But Dave created an environment. He wanted his friends around. We was going to restaurants. We would have the whole spot. We was just doing all this stuff. Nobody was thinking about the possible consequences of that. And I remember this one girl was like, oh, my God, I don't even know why I'm here. Then I looked at Dave. I was like, yo, man, damn, we almost made it, man through. He was like, daniel, it's going to be okay. He said, you got to realize this is the reason why we test. When we first got our first positive, had we not been testing, it could have been crazy.

[B]

And we got at first positive because dudes went to do somebody else's podcast and they didn't test. Remember that?

[A]

I remember that. I remember that because I remember that cena. It was so fun, funny. Yeah, that was here. Yeah. And it was like something was different because we had one positive. And you remember that backstage used to be packed out, right? It started getting lower and lower, right? It was basically like me sipe sounds. Somebody else was in the green room, right? And then Big J came. That's one of my friends, Good friends. Big J came back and he had this look on his face like, it's over, right? He came in there, and I looked, I said, boss man got it. He's like, yep, right? And another thing Dave could have did, this is why I respect his character. He could have been at that time, he could have just been in the mask, went on stage, went back out. He canceled the show. But the funniest shit, it's a hole at Stubbs. Room is sold out, right? And then Cena comes back, and Cena was like, I need you to go out there and tell people that the show is canceled, right? I said, you don't need me to do that shit, nigga. Cause the minute it's one thing, if I go out there, people gonna be like, show starting, right? And as a comedian, I'm not gonna not tell jokes. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, Dave not gonna show up. But that was the crazy thing about that. Everybody at the Line Hotel, they was making jokes. Joe, they call it Corona Covid Row. Cause we had the whole floor locked down, right? And everybody on our team got it. But it felt like an old school chickenpox party. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

It's like.

[A]

Like, we got it. We got it. When I tell you, man, what we did, like, everything was like, okay, make sure you had your vitamins, all that type of shit. But the beauty of it was, we was like, you know, people was testing out like eight or nine days, right? So we thought we was gonna leave after a while. We was like. I was like, wait a minute. The next run was gonna be in 10 days. And for some reason, everybody went back to being negative. We closed, did more shows, and we got the fuck up out of here. But it was a beautiful time, man.

[B]

It was a beautiful time.

[A]

It was a fun to be alive.

[B]

Yep, it was a fun day time, but it was crazy.

[A]

And then we did that. What? That joint we did.

[B]

It was in Tacoma, the Superdome. That was wild.

[A]

25,000, whatever it was.

[B]

We broke the Tacoma dome record.

[A]

I never been in a place where the laughter was so hard. It felt like helicopters was crazy. It was crazy.

[B]

It was crazy.

[A]

This is what I respect about what you guys did. You got people saying they doing arenas and. But normally. Normally.

[B]

But that was pre Covid, brother.

[A]

It was pre Covid.

[B]

Yeah, that was pre Covid before everything popped off.

[A]

What I will say about a real arena show, you got the arena show where a quarter of the venue is being used for stage, right? So it ain't the true capacity, right? But the shows you motherfuckers was doing, it was in the round, right?

[B]

Well, the wildest thing was walking through the crowd to get to the stage. Those are crazy.

[A]

You've experienced this shit of that walk from. From the UFC shit, man. I'm so grateful for your. You guys friendship and everything. And for me, it was so special for me because I didn't sell a ticket. Nobody else. No open to sell. You and Dave sold those tickets, right? But the best feeling for me, Joe, was when I go out and DJ Trauma and be like, you seen them on HBO's the Wire. You seen him on BMF, whatever. But simple line, but you fell in love with Ash, Larry Chappelle, and them. People fucking go crazy. I don't give a fuck if you'd ever been in a fist fight in your life. When you come through them tunnels, you doing this shit right here. You feel like Tyson. Like, just give me a robe, Just give me a towel. I'm about to go beat these motherfuckers up. And every show we had, there was no room for being okay. You had to be on your game every time. Yeah, it was good times.

[B]

It was a good time. Well, that was when all that Covid shit went down with me, when CNN turned my face green. That was because of a Nashville show that we were doing that we had to cancel.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't know that's what that was.

[B]

Yeah, we were supposed to do a show that weekend, and I got Covid. The previous weekend, I was doing an arena with Tony in Florida, and I got coveted in Florida, and then I made that video on, like, a Tuesday or a Wednesday. It was like the third day after I got Covid where I got over it, and I was like, you know, I feel fine, but we have to cancel the shows this weekend.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And that's when all the went down. Because I took Ivermect back then. That was up. What that was. That was those.

[A]

Answer everything. Yo, if you don't have the answer, at least he's trying to find it. It's so.

[B]

Well, whether or not I had the answer, the crazy thing is, I was better. I was already better. And they. They turned my face green on cnn. Like, we got to see how crazy the media really is. Like, they didn't want to hear nothing. But you have to take this vaccine.

[A]

And you have to do that.

[B]

And if you didn't take this vaccine, you're a part of the problem.

[A]

It's. Sorry, I just don't. As devastating as that time was, I'm just. How is it just, like, fucking over now? Is it herd immunity? How is it just, like, it almost like herd immunity?

[B]

Yeah. It's also, you know, everybody who got it got it. You got immunity because of it. And then also, whatever variants are still left, they're significantly diminished. That's how viruses generate.

[A]

It's like a cold strand Now Right?

[B]

Yes. Well, that's how viruses generally go. They become more transmissible but less potent over time. Yeah, and that's what happened.

[A]

I'm gonna tell you, there was a time, though, man, I even said, man, maybe it was just something about how people got along with each other. I was like, we should do like once a year, just have a week of just lockdown, yo, just so you can get into, man.

[B]

It makes you appreciate freedom, that's for sure.

[A]

It made me appreciate nature, bruh. I bought a fucking house at Yellow Spring because I was like, you know what? Trees. I don't know if the streets can handle this, but I became a bird watcher, bro. I watch bird. I watch birds. You know what that does to my street credit? What? To know the difference between a cardinal and a blue jay. Is that bad? It's not the most. Listen, That's a blue jay called I can't be in the street talking about it was good shit.

[B]

If you can't appreciate nature, that's whatever. That's a bullshit narrative. That's ridiculous.

[A]

Here's the thing. I didn't crash out today. Didn't crash out. I know people think I'm a crash out king. It's not that. Sometimes I just need to.

[B]

You mean on this show today?

[A]

Yeah. What did I.

[B]

No, no. He definitely accused Jamie of wearing a leather jacket.

[A]

Jamie did have a leather jacket. He had a leather jacket on. And I think he brushed his eyebrows too. It was everything. I was like, I'd never seen this sexy side of Jamie. He had like a British accent. He was like, I think you want a book, you own the show. I was like, who is his eyebrows? I was like, who the fuck is this person, man? It was something different.

[B]

We definitely went through something that most people would never expect experience in their life.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

And. And most previous generations never experienced it. Having a nationwide worldwide pandemic that everybody freaked out. And we didn't. Not only did. We didn't freak out, we did shows. We had a good time. We hung out together. Those after parties when we go to the line, you had a DJ, we would laugh and laugh. We would laugh till 2, 3 o' clock in the morning.

[A]

I, you know, I.

[B]

The girl, I was so much fun.

[A]

Girl, I was dating time. Then she couldn't believe that. She was like, I would be like this. So what do you do? I was like, well, I was at the line, kicking it with Dave and Joe. What are y' all doing just talking and laughing till 3:30 in the morning? They was like, get the fuck outta here. You was fucking. No, no, I wasn't. We was just on some bro hood shit. It was just.

[B]

It was really good. And we also realized how special it was that we could do this while the whole world was locked down.

[A]

Yep. I'm telling you, I was embarrassed to show pictures. My mother would call me, you better be careful out there. I'm like, man, Man, I'm getting tested. We got tested more than probably anybody in the country. And that's.

[B]

I got tested every day because I was doing podcasts through the whole thing.

[A]

I did your show doing that one time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then we didn't. I sat down before I got the results. The last time I was here, you was like, did he get the test? I'm like. I'm like, just please don't come in here. Like, get this motherfucker out of here.

[B]

Well, we definitely had a couple people that tested positive. We had to get. And I tested positive once.

[A]

But the thing about it, taking those precautions, you could isolate it. You knew where it came, and you shut it down. That's one thing. If you're not doing that, it's all over the place. Just think about it. Imagine if Jamie would have got Covid then. We would have never seen his sexy side. Now.

[B]

Jamie got Covid. He got Covid before anybody. He got Covid really early on when there was no vaccine, no treatment, no nothing. He had to take a whole week off.

[A]

Maybe that's why he has the attitude that he has. Yo, y' all get all this?

[B]

When we did the Kanye podcast, you. You had Covid that week, right? Yeah, yeah. He missed the Kanye podcast.

[A]

Yeah. But I'm sorry, Jamie, if you thought I said anything that was kind of disrespectful to your character.

[B]

Well, it was just totally false.

[A]

No, it wasn't. I'm telling you, that ponytail. I don't know what the he did about it.

[B]

Like, a Steven Seagal ponytail back.

[A]

And not only that, but he put his hair back like this. Almost like. Like a Diddy party. That's how you start Diddy parties.

[B]

Oiled up.

[A]

Yep. I don't want to say that, because I was. Never mind. I never went to a ditty part. I have a photo, but I never went to a Diddy part. Jesus Christ.

[B]

Yeah. It's like, I think people are going to be wiser if something like that happens again.

[A]

Could it ever happen again?

[B]

Yeah. 100. There's a lot of people that think they engineered that whole thing. They wanted it to happen. Because the largest transfer of upward transfer of wealth in human history. So many small businesses went down. Look at big businesses got made more money.

[A]

Look what it did to Zoom. Yep. Zoom took off. I remember Zoom because I was. I. I had a show in Naples. Whatever. I met this doctor that. He wanted me to be on this podcast, and I was like, how are we gonna do. He said, we can do it by Zoom. This was when it was only, like, for, like, business people. It was really, like, the nerdy thing.

[B]

Yeah, that's what it used to be.

[A]

Yeah, it used to be. But the pandemic, it blew it up. It was like, now Zoom is like, that's the best way. You don't want to talk to somebody on the phone. They call you, oh, I'm on a Zoom right now. It is so, like, in everybody's household. And that just blew up. So many businesses did the same thing.

[B]

Is anybody using that anymore?

[A]

Zoom? Yeah, they use it for an excuse not to talk to somebody. Yeah.

[B]

Do they do Zoom podcasts anymore? Do people do Zoom podcasts? Podcast. I never hear that term. It used to be things like, oh, we're gonna do it on Zoom. I don't hear that anymore. A few other platforms exist now. I don't even think people discuss it.

[A]

But, yeah, they had one. One was at Clubhouse, whatever. All of these things.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Clubhouse was. Clubhouse is a big one. That was a big one where people were essentially doing podcasts. Like, anybody could just, like, just talk. Chime in and talk.

[A]

People was getting, like, a million followers in three days. And like, yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah. There was a lot of that. And a lot of people thought that that was going to keep going. Like, Clubhouse is going to be the new thing. I'm like, it's just bad podcasting and it's.

[A]

And it's what? There was only so many things that. That. That battle, the diverses battles that they do now when they have, like, it's mostly. It's been hip hop and R B. I think it was. Who was. Was damn Swiss Beats and Timberland. I think they started this thing during the pandemic. It was versus right. Where you have an artist versus another artist. Artists in, like, a competitive type of situation. They didn't win anything, but it was just entertaining for everybody. And that went from, like, it was so low level. Like, people was in front of their computers. It was freezing up and everything. But it was what everybody was doing now. That's, like, one of the biggest things now. They did one at Madison Square Gardens. Like, it's a big thing now. When you want to. It's just like a competition. Like you got, I think that had cash money and no Limit records. But it's very. I don't see no white verses, but it's a popular thing. And this started because of the pandemic?

[B]

Well, so many businesses started during the pandemic because a lot of people got laid off, so they started their own business. A lot of online businesses started. A lot of people quit their jobs because they realized, look, they could just take this shit away from me at any minute. Why am I doing something that I hate when I thought there was security in it? There's no security in it. I'm going to start my own business also.

[A]

Even like you, you're an example of, of what happens when you finally realize that you don't need Hollywood the way it used to be.

[B]

No. Well, we figured that out a long time ago. We figured that out when the podcast started kicking off in like the early 2010s, I realized that I was like, this is. I don't need TV shows anymore. We figured that out in like 2013, 2014.

[A]

And Hollywood is not like it used to be. I'm a very old school guy, but I remember when I first started, you couldn't make it in this business. You had to be in New York or la. Yep. There was no producers going to. They wasn't going to Toledo, Ohio. There was no way. This was big.

[B]

Well, there was no comedy communities outside of New York and la.

[A]

No, not at all.

[B]

Not a real community. There might have been like a good club that had some. Like Denver always had like good opening acts.

[A]

Good community works was responsible for that.

[B]

But it wasn't like a real hub like Austin is now. And that wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for the pandemic. People wouldn't have moved.

[A]

They wouldn't have moved.

[B]

No.

[A]

And you brought a whole community here. As much as this place was always big for music, whatever. But, I mean, there's no way anybody cannot agree with like what you did and what you made it appealing to a lot of people is that you could go somewhere else, get a better quality of life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And everything.

[B]

Lower cost of living, better quality of life, no traffic, nicer people, and no Hollywood bullshit. The problem with the LA is always going to be poisoned by the. The idea of going there to become famous.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That whole idea was. It was permeated in the culture of la and that fame was like the number one commodity.

[A]

But back then it was. That was the case. It was the case, but go ahead.

[B]

I'm sorry, but the problem is that's bad for art, that's bad for your ability to produce shit. I mean, you got great comics that came out of la, but that was in spite of what LA had to offer, right? It wasn't because of. Whereas Austin, like, the main reason people come here, first of all, is Kill Tony. Because, like you said, Kill Tony is one of the rare places where you can be a comic that's been doing comedy three, four years, may even just start now. But you got some talent. You could have a fucking career, like a real career, and it'll launch. Look, you got Cam Patterson, who's on SNL right now. You got all these people like William Montgomery, David Lucas. They're killing it on the road, selling out everywhere. They, Ari, Matty, these guys. I mean, they have a real career now.

[A]

But, you know, another thing that they don't understand is, like, this is what I say. And I usually use you as an example. Whenever you hear about somebody saying that they want to do a podcast, the first thing, the certain things, like, I want to be Joe Rogan. And I said this before, nobody wanted to be Joe Rogan fucking 25 years ago. They didn't want to put the work in. They want to see the accolades, the fortune you've built. They see that part, but nobody sees the hard work. Even with Kill Tony, the fact that during the pandemic, when he could have let the whole platform just fall apart, like, we don't know when we're going to do it, he dug deeper and figured out a way, I'm just going to continue to do it. Nobody, nobody ever respects the journey, right? And if you think about it, Joe and you probably the same way, most successful people. And I know some very, very wealthy people, right? And when they talk about their career, whatever, they hardly ever talk about the yacht. They ever talk about the fucking mansion they got in Paris. You know, they talk about, it was just me and my wife, and we drove a Toyota, you know, a Toyota Corolla. And we was like. We was down to our last 10 bucks. And she did this. That's the most interesting part of this story for most successful people. And people don't understand that, right?

[B]

They only think about where you got to. I want to get to there, too.

[A]

They want to skip everything. I hear people right now, I want to be like, stand up. I'm like, all right. Well, no, when I was doing HBO's the Wire, right, this guy I knew, I grew up with, he was like this motherfucker said, yo, D, what's the number to the Wire? I want to call him. I want to be on the Wire. Like, there's a wire. Hey, is this Dave assignment? Yeah. I could be Omar. They don't.

[B]

I was like.

[A]

And guess what? If I knew the number to the Wire, I wouldn't give it to you.

[B]

I'm not giving it to you.

[A]

I want you to get that busy signal. That's what it's. Nobody ever wants to respect the grind. And they all. Everybody wants the rewards of the grind.

[B]

Plus, everybody. It's just people that are. They're missing it. They're not getting what it's all about, what it's all like. Kill Tony's a great example of that. I was there in the early days of Kill Tony. When Tony started out in 2013, there was no one in the crowd. There was no one there. It was a small show. You'd have a few comedians. I was doing it back before I was back at the Comedy Store, when I was still banned. So I was doing it from the Ice House, right? And he didn't do it thinking it was going to be the number one show in the world, and he was going to be on Netflix. And he did it because it was fun to do, and he wanted to do a great job, and he wanted to make it better every week, and he kept doing it and kept getting better at it. It's the same thing with this podcast. This podcast didn't make money for years. Didn't make any money for years. It cost money.

[A]

But the most successful people are the ones like, even with. When I first started doing comedy, right? I never. You have some comedians that go out there, like, I want to do comedy. I want to get the money. I want to get pussy off of it, right? When I first started, I never. The only thing I wanted to do, Joe, I wanted to be good. I was like this. If I'm good, all those other things that are rewards of that, they will happen. But I had to be good first. And here's the thing that I think, especially when you have these, like, social media comedians or whatever, the thing that. The interesting thing about it, it's kind of hard to tell somebody to work on their craft when they get all the perks of what the craft can present them at an early, early stage. It's hard to tell somebody that's only been doing it for two years, that's making $50,000 or $100,000 a month off of monetizing something they like. This, you need to get better. Hello.

[B]

Well, they don't have to like do whatever the fuck you want to do. If you just want to do that, do that. And also some of them are going to figure it out. And anyway, some of them going to figure out I'm, I'm not getting better. I'll get better and work harder at it.

[A]

Right?

[B]

There's going to be people that don't figure things out. No matter what you do in this life, there's going to be a bunch of people that have a distorted perception of what success is all about, what you really want. It's always going to be that.

[A]

What do you, what do you. What is. This is interesting question. What is your definition of success?

[B]

Happiness. Happiness and doing something that you enjoy doing. Doing and something that's challenging.

[A]

So what is your definition of happiness?

[B]

Friendship, Love? Doing something I enjoy doing. Doing it well, doing it better all the time. Getting better at it. You know, I mean, you're. And struggle, you're always going to have some kind of a struggle. And that struggle, hopefully is you trying to be better at the thing that you're doing.

[A]

You. What gives you. This is an interesting question. What gives you the incentive. Incentive to always continue to want to perform? What gives you incentive to always want to do Joe Rogan and Friends when you could just sit back and just.

[B]

Because it's fun. It's fun. It's first of all, the Green room on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at the Mothership. Some of the funniest times I've ever had in my life. It's so fun. We have so much fun there. There's Ron White there and Shane Gillis and Tony. And it's fun. It's amazing. I mean, it's community.

[A]

Sounds like you're trying to give me the chance.

[B]

We enjoy our times. Would you want to. Come on.

[A]

I got to come till Tuesday.

[B]

What are you doing tomorrow?

[A]

Come on, Danielle.

[B]

What do you got going on tomorrow? Where are you headed, back to Ohio?

[A]

No, I'm going to la.

[B]

Do you have a show?

[A]

I got a son.

[B]

Okay, well, that's different. That's more important.

[A]

But I can just give him some Roblox money. He'll be laughing. You can see it Wednesday. I'll give you some Rob Roblox money. He'll be cool. Let me see. I might. Cause damn, I didn't. I wish I would have even thought about it before, but I might. I might. Cause I haven't had that experience.

[B]

Oh, calm down then, if you can. If your son's Cool with it. Do it. If not, there's always another time I can bribe him.

[A]

And this is another thing about me being an older dad. Like, my son is really age. He could be my grandson. I don't have time to do all those instill vials and morals and shit. I'm like, this will candy shut this motherfucker up, yo. I'm like, yo, let's go to McDonald's or whatever. But, yeah, I'm gonna see. I would definitely consider that. Yeah.

[B]

Consider it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But that's what I like. I mean, I'm just enjoying my life, and I like to do things that I find that are interesting and challenging, and I like to have conversations with interesting people, and I like the fact that people enjoy it still.

[A]

You know, when I first met you or, you know, and I already. I already knew that you had the ultimate platform, and I never. This is me. And I don't know if this is what happened, but I was like, I never want to be like, hey, Joe Rogan, I'm down here, Ron, from so and so. And the only respect I ever wanted to get from my peers and people that were doing it was, like, from the stage. You know, I always like. I was like, if we ever make the connection, I wanted to be off of, yo, this motherfucker is funny first. Not just like, hey, you know, I rock with Dave and everything. I think that that was what happened. I used to spend time in it, and I. I never did. Even to this day, I don't. You know, I just look at, like, the. I just want people. You can respect me as a man and respect my character, whatever. But at the end of the day, what I love to do the most is stand up. I want you to be like, yo, this motherfucker puts the work in. And then we can build everything off of that. That's what the respect I want. I want the respect from what I put in, the work I put in, and people can acknowledge that. And that's what builds my relationship with you. It's built my relationships with all of these. All these guys, Bird, all of these people that I fuck with now. It ain't because other than anything other than, like, yo, he's a dope comic, and then you can find out that I'm a good dude after that.

[B]

Yeah, it's that. And then after that, it's gotta be like, are you cool?

[A]

Right?

[B]

Is he fun to hang out with?

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Barry Cash said that one time. He said that in one of his podcasts. It's one of the things. Things that separate, like who goes on the road or so. And so is if you're a good hang.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, my God. That's everything.

[A]

I don't know how many people quote Prairie Cats, but I want to share this story.

[B]

You might be the only one.

[A]

You said probably only one, but I. You said something earlier about undeniable, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I remember when I first moved from D.C. and I moved up to New York, I was doing the chitlin circuit, the black circuit. I was popular in the black community, whatever. I was like, I don't think this is going to be enough. I want to do the mainstream stuff. I want to do these other things right. And Barry Katz, Dave used to host this comedy night, this place called el flamingos in D.C. in New York. And Barry Katz saw me there one day. He was like, I don't think I've ever seen a comedian that go in front of an audience that was ready to rip someone's head off. And you could hear silence, you know, that's the control I had with audience. And so we built sort of a respect for each other. And I remember one time I was at the Comedy Cellar and he was there, and I knew that he was. Back then, whatever you want to say about him, nobody had a roster bigger than Barry Katz back then in like 97 or whatever, he had everybody. The list goes on and on. And I knew he was a fan of mine. And I said, barry, man, I'm trying to work these clubs, these Main street clubs where I'm having a hard time time getting in passing these clubs. I was like, could you make a phone call or whatever for me? And he looked at me, he said, donnell, he said, this is what you do. I'll probably do the worst. Everybody does a better, better Barry, catch.

[B]

You gotta do Barry like this.

[A]

Yes. Okay, I'll try it again.

[B]

He was like, this is what you do.

[A]

And slowing down, he said, donnell, just rip, right?

[B]

He said, yeah, be undeniable.

[A]

That's what he said. He said, just be. He said, I'm not talking. And I tell. This is advice I give people. They say, well, I need so and so. I was like, I'm not talking about have one good set and you have four bad sets. I'm talking about the consistency where every time somebody sees you go on that stage, you blowing the roof off. And once you do that, the managers are going to come to you, they're going to hear about it. That's the one of the things a lot of people try to say. Skip, they like, oh, how was your sex? It was okay, but I can't talk to you unless you just straight. Just destroying everywhere. Then you got other shit to work on.

[B]

Yeah. And there's also a lot of people that are very delusional about how well they're doing because they want so much. They want it all to be about them. So they think they should have already had this. They should have already had that. Why don't I have a sitcom? Why don't I have a this? Why don't I have that?

[A]

And I always said, this is another thing. Even with these lineups, you do these shows, whatever. Always say that you have time to have a defining moment if you're in the room, right? And for some reason, the room is on fire, the club is on fire, everybody is ripping. You probably won't stand out as much as that night when everybody was bombing. You've seen rooms where everybody come back, stand and say, that crowd was weird. But then you got one motherfucker back there like this, I don't give a fuck what y' all doing, right? I'm going to elevate this. Those are the times when you gotta fucking stand up.

[B]

Yeah, well, we used to see that all the time at the store. Like, late night at the store in particular, where, like, you know, because the way the store works, the show starts at 8pm and it goes on till 2am and there's a lot of people that get there at 8pm that are like, you know, tourists that are in town and they sit there for the whole fucking show. They came to see the Comedy Store.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So by the time 12:30 rolls around, they've seen everything. And so you get this lull period, and then someone will go up and just tear that place apart.

[A]

When I. 50 people, when I used to. I was so naive when I first started that we used to have open mics, right? And the open mic list would be like, 25 people, right? And they. They. The guy that was running, they hated me so much because I used to talk shit in the audience and everything. And they would keep bumping me down, right? And my dumb ass never got mad, right? I was like this. Yeah, they want me to headline, right? 25 comedians. I took that. I was like, Yay. Seven. I didn't think about audience fatigue or anything.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[A]

I just was like, yeah. And it would be. But I'm telling you, I think that was one of the things that made me strong, because 100%, I was like, I'm gonna do what the Next person. There's one story. This is one of, if you ask Dave Chappelle, one of the dopest sets he's ever seen. I just happened to be a part of that. It was at the Hollywood bowl years ago, about three years ago, right. You know Jeff.

[B]

Is that when he got attacked?

[A]

No, no, that wasn't. That was like the year before. You know Jeff Wills, Live Nation. Right, sure. So we're doing Shout out to Jeff. Shout out to Jeff. We're doing a show, you know, Hollywood bowls, 18,000, right? So show starts at 7 o', clock, right? Jeff comes up to me, he was like, donny, I got some good news and bad news. He said, what? He said, we're gonna start on time. It's only but 700 people out there right now. You imagine what 700 people look like in front of 18,000 place, right? He said, there's only 700 people out there. He said, well, I can let you start now or we can wait 10 minutes. I was like, Jeff, it's not like 17,000 people gonna show up in 10 minutes. I said, give me the mic, big ass stage. I jump off the stage, right, Dave? And all these people in the green room, I jump off the stage, I go into the audience. I'm literally going to each person in the theater and I'll get you a picture. You can answer this. I'm going to each person.

[B]

Why didn't they wait for the people to show up and sit down?

[A]

That's what I wanted to say, but they were just like, the show has to continue.

[B]

I don't allow that. I never allow that.

[A]

I tell you nothing.

[B]

They've tried to do that before with me. And they say we're gonna have to pay more money if the show goes over. I go, then the show goes over. We pay more money, get the fuck out of here.

[A]

But for me, it was a moment. Because any other comedian, not any other. Most people like this, oh, was nobody out there. So many excuses. I jumped off stage. I was like, no, I can't be up here looking like I'm about to be auctioned off. I go in the audience, I'm going to each joint, right? And I'm fucking killing. It's 700 people in front of 18,000.

[B]

That's a great way to start a show.

[A]

But listen. And I'm like, this. Here's the fucked up thing about this. Nobody's gonna know about it. Cause your fucking phones are locked up, right? Yo, it was a moment. Dave, Dave, Everybody from the green room came out Right. And Dave told me, to this day, he said if I was doing a class on stand up comedy, he said, I would use this as an example of owning up to it. And it was so crazy, man. It was like. And it was just. It was crazy. I remember another time I was working with. I think I was working with you. It was me, you and Dave. And I think it was a time we was doing an outdoor theater. And it was supposed to be a break. It was supposed to be me. It was supposed to be, I think you, Tony or whatever or something. Then it was a break, and then it was gonna be me and Dave. But it was still Dave time, right?

[B]

Where was this?

[A]

I can't remember the place. It was still dead. Jeff, he came up to me, he was like. I was like, I already know I'm gonna have to go in there. And I literally had to perform until it started getting dark.

[B]

Oh, I remember this.

[A]

And I was saying to myself, I was like, ain't no way. I was like, this ain't no way. They giving Rogan. And it wasn't a shitty ones. People just hadn't come yet, right? I was like. I knew I was gonna even suggest. I. I was like, nah. We had these two halves, right? And it was. And that was another example of, okay, you gotta do what you gotta do. And I had to go up there. It wasn't the spot that I expected or whatever, but I was like this, you know, for the sake of the show. And I'm always like, what do we need to do to support this? And we had to bring it down. We had to buy some more time. And then by the time you got on stage, everybody was seated.

[B]

It was dark.

[A]

It was dark.

[B]

That was outside of San Francisco.

[A]

I can't remember exactly what that was.

[B]

That was California. That shit was fun.

[A]

But I tell people all the time that I do slight mental. I was like, like, man, it's certain times where you gotta do what the next person is not gonna do. You can't bitch about shit. And at the end of the day, you gotta be a fuck. I know when I used to do these shows with Dave, I used to fucking get the shittiest time. Like, we're at 30% capacity. I'm like, man, half of these motherfuckers not even gonna see me. But I looked at it like this. Well, the people that's gonna see me, they're gonna remember it, you know, and you just gotta keep on, keep on going.

[B]

That's a good attitude.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Yeah, that's healthy.

[A]

See, I feel like this.

[B]

Very productive.

[A]

This conversation is going to bode well with my mental health.

[B]

Yeah, I think so, too. And everything except the lies you told about Jamie.

[A]

You know, I'mma do. I'mma start taking videos. I wish I would have had it.

[B]

Yeah, I wish I did, too.

[A]

And the thing about it, you would.

[B]

See, like, oh, man, he didn't even have a leather jacket on.

[A]

And think. And he wasn't even talking to me. He was talking to me like, what is it?

[B]

I walked up. He didn't even know who I was at first guess.

[A]

Why. Why didn't I know? I never know that. I knew. I was like, who is this fake ass, Jamie ass? It's like, it was almost like, remember when family battles Urkel and then Stefan? It was two characters. They had the. They had the geeky Urkel and then his alter ego. Whatever. He was just this cool ass. He was the same person.

[B]

Whatever happened to that dude? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, he's been around.

[B]

What's that? Selling weed, Is he.

[A]

He was. And his weed is really good.

[B]

He's got a weed.

[A]

Urkel.

[B]

Purple.

[A]

Purple. Purple. It's the best. He got this joint he wrote, and it's like some type of Italian noodle, the spiral noodle. He used that as a filter. But also, I spent a lot of time with him because he would come out to the corn fields, whatever. So I've been seeing him. He's got to talk to him. Show.

[B]

Didn't he get jacked? Isn't he like. Is that him?

[A]

Jaleel White? Yeah.

[B]

I heard Urkel got in great shape.

[A]

Yeah, but he's a good guy, man. But he's another one of those celebrities I know that wants to do comedy but don't have the heart to do it always. I was like. He said, no, no, no, don't do that. But he's a. He's a. He's a great guy.

[B]

It's hard to start out already famous. That's one of the things that I really respected about Charlie. Charlie was already famous when he was starting.

[A]

Do you. You know who started Charlie? Who? Me.

[B]

Did you?

[A]

And this is how it happened when we were doing the Chappelle show, and it's safe to say, like, nobody was really making money, you know, in the contract. When you. In your contract, if your show just blows up, you gotta stick to whatever you was getting for the contract.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So we weren't making a lot of money doing the show, but I was like, we're too popular right now. At that time, it was Me and Charlie. It was Dave, me and Charlie, like the biggest names on the show. So this was Mike Berkowitz, who's Dave, who's head of William Morris right now, right? He was a young agent at the time, right? He was coming up and I was like. I told Jason, my manager at the time, Jason Steinberg. I said, man, we gotta do a tour or something. I was like, yo, everybody's talking about I'm rich bitch. I was like, let's do I'm rich bitch tour, right? He was like, it's a good idea. I said, me and Charlie can do it. At the time, that was only a two man show. Charlie didn't have no time or anything. And I was like, you know what? I want to do it because it was my idea. I said, I want to do me Charlie. I said, we need another comedian. At the time, Bill Burr was not making a lot of money doing standup. And I'm not disrespecting him, but everybody knew he was going to blow. But that was early on in the career. And all Bill had to do was have a situation like he had in Philly. Everybody knew he was going to blow. So I said, why don't we do a tour? Me, Charlie and Bill Burr, that should have been hot. Charlie had never did stand up. And I used to. He used to always crack jokes and shit. I was like, yeah, you talk a lot, but once that microphone, your ass. You a bitch ass motherfucker. So Charlie was a guy like, don't threaten him with anything, right? So this is when they had the Laugh Factory in New York on Times Square, right? One of my friends was doing the show there. I was like, charlie, yo, we gonna do this tour, you gotta at least have 10 minutes. He could have at that time, Charlie was so hot, people would have just yelled out, Charlie Murphy for five minutes. He was the emcee. We just needed his face to be there. And this was. It would be Charlie, Charlie, Bill Burr and myself. And Charlie had no jokes, right? And like you said, I was like, maybe, I don't know if you guys understand how it is to be selling out as an open micr.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

And he had to get his voice. And I know. And I was like, why did he never do this? But part of it was because he probably never wanted to be compared to his brother, right? He never wanted to be able to, like, that's his brother and he had his own style or whatever. So we did this fucking tour for like, like a year. And then I saw him start to grow. Sometimes he took some hits. But he became Charlie Murphy. He became like, I'm not my brother, I'm a storyteller. He stuck to that shit. And the. One of the things that I would say that I really appreciate about what the Chappelle show gave to Charlie Murphy. When Charlie Murphy passed away. Just nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother died. They said Charlie Murphy passed away. So that show didn't do. And when I tell you, one of the most stand up, original guys, all of those stories, like, was it true? It was he told. That was just part of the story. Me, Dave, me, Charlie and Bill built a relationship. We did something that was spectacular then. But Bill Burr used to fuck with us. And I'm gonna tell you one of the things he would do. We would be on the road and all we used to do was argue and fight and just fuck with each other. One time, Bill Burr, he did some fucking. I don't want to call this racist or whatever, but whatever. It was very Bostonian. Okay? I won't say. But what he did, I didn't know. Two years later, Bill Burr, when we meet up, he would buy a fucking like 12 piece of Popeye's chicken, right? And he knew me and Charlie would devour that chicken. And we would be in a sleep coma, right, the next 15 minutes. And it was almost like he gave us sleeping pills and shit. He would get us a chicken, we'd be knocked out, and then he'd just go and just laugh at us and shit. But that time, that was such a great time because you saw people's careers being born. Like, Bill was already on a trajectory to be. You know what I'm saying? But at that time, and this, when I say the stories that you remember, I'm pretty sure Bill still remembers, like, this was the first time that he was making, like, regular good money every weekend. You know how it is for being fucking headliner that's doing $800 a weekend. Or they give you a deal, $2,000, and then you get a $500 bonus. When you sell or give away 300.

[B]

Tickets and you're not working every weekend.

[A]

And you're not working every weekend. And then you got club owners, like, the bonus supposed to be at 300, and they'd be like, couldn't give you that bonus. You was at 298. You know, I'd be like, motherfucker, I couldn't lie, too. They lied to it.

[B]

They lie about how many tickets you sold.

[A]

They lied to. And then they wonder why when Guys become big and everything, they don't want to come back. Because I remember that.

[B]

Oh, I remember that there's a couple club owners that they can go eat shit.

[A]

And I tell people all the time when everybody talk about this, I was like, yo, try this. Try doing a fucking tour for a year and a half. And every night you had to come behind Bill Burr. I had no days off, and I knew when I had a day off, it wasn't. I wasn't hitting on all cylinders because that's when they had used to have comment cards, right? The comment cards. Like, I don't know why the white boy didn't go last night. But that always. That just. That always kept me in shape. You know what I'm saying? It's like this. You don't got no time to play around. Because Bill was one of those comics. Bill was like, Bill would come. Bill did the mainstream shit, and he was one of the only white dudes would do the fucking most grimiest spots ever. And I'm pretty sure he's always going to be a great comic, but I think that that helped build his character. I think that was probably. Probably what made him be in a position where he go to Philly. Like, yo, y', all, I just did Donnell's Hood club in Brooklyn, right? If I can handle that, I can handle that.

[B]

Well, that rant in Philly was because he was doing the Opie and Anthony tour. So when Opie and Anthony, their crowd were brutal. Their crowds were brutal.

[A]

They was killed. Tony's before Kill Tony's was way worse.

[B]

Way worse. That they had sort of fed into that crowd. They. They fostered that crowd. They called them the pests.

[A]

But then even going back to what I was saying, in this career, sometimes you have situations that have a defining moment, and that was one of those things. I'm pretty sure everybody with him before Bill was throwing a towel and he was like that.

[B]

But Bill was. What happened was Dom a. Went on and, you know, Dom, a legend.

[A]

How's he doing, man?

[B]

He's hurting. Yeah, he's got. He's hurting. He's got whatever that neurological condition is. It's not good. I mean, I don't want to speak out of turn about his health, but it's not good. But Dom, they booed Dom. They were just rough. They wanted you to fail. And Bill went up and go, fuck you. You know, and he just went into this crazy.

[A]

You know who else had a moment like that?

[B]

Who?

[A]

Bernie Mac.

[B]

Did he. Oh, on Def Jam.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I ain't afraid of you motherfuckers. Yeah.

[A]

You know how that was born?

[B]

Why?

[A]

First off, Martin Lawrence was the host. And that night, everybody was taking licks, right? And there was another. It was a comment from DC named Butch Burns, right? He was very popular in dc. Butch Burns went on stage and bombed so bad. Motherfuckers throwing shit. There was nothing that Martin could do. You know how sometimes you try and you, like, just. You're on your own, right? It's like, whoop, deep, do, right? So Butch Burns had bombed. The room is going crazy. Martin could do anything. Next on deck was fucking Bernie Mac. Bernie Mac saw Butch Burns on the way out, and he told him. He was like, listen, man, hold your head up, man. He said, the sun might not shine on your day, but you'll have another opportunity to shine. And the reason he didn't plan on I ain't scared of you motherfuckers. And then Bernie had a situation to go through because Bernie was on Def Jam before. He dressed in a suit and everything. He was looking like a Chicago player. But he didn't think that he connected with a young audience like that. So you even watch the way he was dressed from the previous show to the next one. Yeah, the next one, he had more of a hip outfit, had graffiti on the jeans. He was dressed up for that part of it. No idea. I ain't scared of you motherfuckers. He did have the energy that he was gonna do, the connection he was gonna have with the dj, right? But what made it so explosive is that he said, fuck y'. All.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He said he did his joke and didn't. That's why you hear like, I. Why was he saying, I ain't scared of you? Right? It was because of the other.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He said, I ain't scared of you. Kick it. He say what? He say he did. And it was such the most simple stock jokes. So powerful, so powerful, so powerful. The rhythm that he had and the fact that you knew that something was special would happen. That's why that audience looked. Was so charged up, because he said, y'. All.

[B]

I saw Bernie live once at the Comedy Connection in Faneuil hall in Boston.

[A]

I remember that club.

[B]

He was on fire.

[A]

He was so powerful. First time I saw him at Comedy Connection to Greenbelt, I used to do this club, and it was a couple of people that come through, and I was like, these are the next level. It was him. Another person that was like, that was George Wallace.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

You know, another person that was like, that rich Voss.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yo, George Wallace. First off, I knew George Wallace was on the next level. I've never seen nobody go to the comedy club. And the deal he had was 100% of the door, everything. You just get your drinks, your chicken wings, 100% door. They had to give it to him. And George Wallace, he was old. George Wallace always been an older dude, right? Somebody said, you know, his thing is your mama joke, right? Somebody had did a mama joke, and motherfucking George Wallace ripped off about 30 mama jokes. I felt so bad for him. And then Rich Voss, fucking Rich Voss, fucked me up because I'd never seen a white comedian perform at his club. It was a black club. Rich Voss came in here. He had a ponytail similar to Jamie's, right?

[B]

He had Jheri curls.

[A]

No, Rich Voss had a ponytail, the same one that Jamie was wearing. When I. Right, it was Rich. And I saw French Voss go up there and destroy this crowd. I was like, this white dude, don't know what's going, and he fucking killed that shit. I. I had to. You know, we talk about joke stealing, right? I've never. I stole one joke in my life, and I apologize to Rich Voss. I was doing a show and none of my jokes worked. I tried. Yo, I tried everything. I tried everything. And I said to myself, what joke have you heard? I didn't mean to steal, right? I borrowed it, okay? I said, what? One joke, you know, that fucker will kill his audience. And Rich Foster used to have this joke. He said, you know what they say? Once you go black, you never go back. He said, yeah. Cause your father won't let you back in the house, right? I stole that joke. I got him laughing. I got him back on track. And then I had to call Voss. I said, man, I'm so sorry, bro. I said, it's gonna get back to you. But I stole the joke. And he was like, no. No problem with it.

[B]

Well, at least you admitted it.

[A]

Yeah, I did.

[B]

All right. I think we accomplished a lot.

[A]

This was therapy for me.

[B]

I think it was good for you. Stay out of the comments.

[A]

I'm gonna stay out of the comments.

[B]

Remember that podcast we did with Reza?

[A]

No, don't do that. They still talk shit to me.

[B]

I grabbed you at the end of the podcast. I said, that was great. Don't read the comments.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

That was a long time ago. I've been giving you that advice for a long time.

[A]

You did. Tell me. Don't. But the part of that story people don't know is that I did My podcast early. I hadn't seen my son, like, two and a half weeks. I was on a row, and I came straight there, straight to the podcast to do it, right? And then I was like. You was like, yo, you wanna hang out? This is what people don't know. This is the side. You don't tell them you invited me. You invited me.

[B]

I did invite you.

[A]

You did invite. You said, I thought it'd be fun. You said, the Riz is going to come, right?

[B]

Well, we were having a good time. We had. Did a podcast together. We were hanging out, and I said, are you going anywhere you want to? I'm doing a podcast with Riza next. You want to hop on? I thought it would be fun.

[A]

I thought it would be fun.

[B]

It was. It was fun.

[A]

I would like to tell my side of the story.

[B]

We already did. We've talked this. We've done this many times.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think, like every other podcast we do, you tell your side of the story.

[A]

I'm never going to. I'm never going to say this again, Joe. I was going to leave, and I was. I was like, man, fuck Wu Tang, man. I'm gonna send my son, right? And I'm leaving out. And soon as I get ready to get my car, the RZA comes out and this motherfucker said, what's up, Ashley, Larry? And I said, fuck my son. I'm fucking with the Wu Tang, right? And I didn't. But it was a good time.

[B]

It was fun.

[A]

But what people don't understand is before we did that, RZA said, yo, yo, bong, bong, bong. I got this idea, right? I said, well, he said, I'm gonna do these jokes. They're gonna be. He was trying to pitch jokes. Like, he was on the jokes. And I was like, please don't do that, right? I was like, please don't do that. And we sat down, and of course it went. I had a good time. But people's like, just. You just ruined it. You ruined it. You just ruined it. But shout out to it.

[B]

It was fun.

[A]

It was a good time.

[B]

It was fun.

[A]

And thanks for. Whenever I call, you let me. I can't even tell people anything other than, yes, I'm on Tour. Go to donairs.com, get tour dates, all right? And here's my. Here's my. A joke could be too soon, but it never could be too soon for a funny observation. And that's what you're going to get when you come to my show.

[B]

All right?

[A]

Thank you, sir.

[B]

Appreciate you, brother.

[A]

I'm taking this gun with me. James. Stay sexy, son.

[B]

Stay sexy. Bye, everybody.

[A]

It.