#2481 - Duncan Trussell

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2481 – Duncan Trussell

Date: April 9, 2026
Host: Joe Rogan
Guest: Duncan Trussell

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Overview

In this episode, Joe Rogan welcomes back comedian, podcaster, and longtime friend Duncan Trussell for a wide-ranging, often philosophical, and frequently hilarious conversation. They dive deep into the convergence of apocalyptic trends—artificial intelligence, war in the Middle East, missing scientists, and UFOs—reflecting on how society, technology, and government shape (and manipulate) the human experience. Woven through are personal anecdotes, conspiracy talk, sharp critiques of power, and plenty of self-aware, quick banter.

“This is some McKenna-level pre-singularity...all of them are converging into this apocalyptic river. And we’re all just trying to go to work, be with our kids, and at the back of your mind it’s all these things that are happening.”
— Joe Rogan (31:18)

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Key Discussion Points

1. AI, Censorship, and the Rise of the "Meek"

• Copyright Insanity

  • AI-driven copyright detection is now so vigilant that even humming a tune on a monetized podcast like JRE could result in a strike. (00:21)
  • “If you hum...you’ll get flagged on YouTube if you just hum a sound from a song.” — Duncan Trussell (00:24)

• Tech’s Power and Distribution

  • Discussion turns to how AI enables even amateurs to create powerful programs (“Charles Manson AI”) with near-unrestricted global reach. Tech engineers—often “meek” and unassuming—are now the most influential, fulfilling the “meek shall inherit the earth" prophecy. (13:20)
  • “That’s the nerds, okay? And they are inheriting the fucking earth right in front of your face, and everybody’s signing up for it.” — Duncan (13:57)

• Danger and Regulation

  • Rogan describes the AI arms race and how deregulation means anyone can leverage powerful, possibly destructive technology with minimal oversight. (10:41, 15:40)

2. Heartbeats From 40 Miles: “Ghost Murmur,” Surveillance, and Disinformation

• Ghost Murmur Technology

  • Both are intrigued and unnerved by reports that the CIA used AI-driven quantum magnetometry to track a pilot’s heartbeat from 40 miles away (02:12, 73:09).
  • “Reported codename of a classified CIA sensor...to detect the extremely faint electromagnetic signals of a human heartbeat at long distances, even in harsh environments like a vast desert.” — Duncan reading (73:21)
  • They question whether the story is propaganda or fact, debating how such narratives serve to intimidate adversaries and mystify the public. (76:09, 80:36)

• Disinformation and War Stories

  • They reflect on past government fabrications—like the Jessica Lynch rescue story—to illustrate how official narratives often diverge sharply from reality. (81:05)
  • “They made it look like they had this, like, crazy, right, rescue operation, shootout...That’s not really what happened.” — Duncan (81:35)

• Algorithmic Influence and Thought Control

  • The ways algorithms subtly nudge public opinion and individual thought, and the powers that control these mechanisms, is a recurring theme (21:59, 23:00, 25:24).

3. UFOs, Disclosure, and Systemic Secrecy

• The Pulse of UFO News

  • They touch on government UFO disclosures, recent leaks, and the possibility of imminent high-quality video releases (166:19–177:00).
  • “46 specific high quality secret [UAP] videos—clips are shocking...Some of the clips are clear, full color, setting them apart from previously released footage.” — Jamie and Duncan (166:49–167:28)

• Skepticism vs. Hope

  • Both want to believe (typified by Bob Lazar and Tim Burchett), but express doubt due to the endless chain of edged disclosures with little substance. (161:59–163:22)
  • “We’re tired of getting edged out over here… I want to come.” — Joe (163:20)

• UFOs, Simulation Theory, and Ontological Shock

  • The “real” revelation might not be aliens, but the nature of consciousness and existence—that we live in a nested simulation, with AI as creator/observer. (145:38)
  • “We are in a simulation that is telescoping inwards...that’s something that maybe that’s what Burchett doesn’t want to get out there.” — Joe (145:36)

4. War, Propaganda, and the Death of Trust

• Middle East Apocalypticism

  • The current landscape of global conflict is described as an “apocalyptic river” that’s impossible to ignore, with leaders acting recklessly and the public growing steadily more distrustful. (30:15, 88:20)
  • “It’s such a mind fuck to try to push outside the boundaries of all the information that you’ve consumed and let your brain go there.” — Joe (87:06)

• Blackpilled Politics

  • Disappointment in U.S. politics is pervasive; the “no more wars” promise evaporated, fueling Rogan and Trussell’s “blackpilled”—i.e., deeply cynical—perspective. (91:25)
  • “Now I am fully blackpilled...I realize it’s so easy. I don’t think anybody should feel bad because a lot of us really hated war...” — Joe (91:26)

• Military-Industrial Grift

  • They dissect sunken-cost fallacy in wars, systemic defense contractor profits, and the government’s willingness to sustain perpetual conflict for financial/political power. (122:12, 124:51)

5. Psychedelics, Social Control, and What Could Have Been

• Suppression of Expanding Experiences

  • The war on drugs—specifically on psychedelics—is presented as a government move to stifle consciousness-raising and maintain order; what would a society look like if everyone experienced ego-dissolving trips? (172:19–174:28)
  • “What does government look like when everybody can do mushrooms?” — Duncan (172:51)

• Authorities Devoid of Experience

  • Decisions about war, drugs, and social policy are often made by those with no direct experience or skin in the game. (174:43–175:06)

6. Comedy, Counterculture, and Censorship’s Toll

• Changing Landscape
  • Trussell and Rogan reminisce about the early, “pure” days of podcasting and comedy, lamenting new pressures: clickbait, censorship, cancellation, and the death of the open, subversive humor that fueled icons like R. Crumb or National Lampoon. (47:47, 112:00)
  • “It’s hard to know what his real take on things are...A lot of the stuff that he said in this cultural environment would never fly. Never.” — Duncan (113:59)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

On AI, Censorship, and Dangerous Tech

• Duncan: “Quantum means two things to me...either you’re a bullshit artist...or you’re an actual quantum physicist who’s going to blow my mind.” (03:52)
• Joe: “For sure, for sure—people probably shouldn’t have unlimited access to [AI]. I’m against regulation, dude, but this stuff...you can order the equipment you need to do gene editing right now in your garage.” (10:48)

On Disinformation and Government Lies

• Duncan: “That’s clickbait...because all that’s really saying is that the kid uses ChatGPT, which, guess what, every kid uses ChatGPT.” (06:57)
• Joe: “It’s like Hemingway if his typewriter was like, ‘I don’t know if you should write that.’ Hemingway would be like, ‘Fuck you, I’m getting a different typewriter.’” (16:05)

On Simulation Theory and the Nature of Reality

• Joe: “The most eerie part of the Book of Genesis is that it’s literally a creator force making a meat AI. That’s Adam and Eve, right?...and the conversation is exactly the conversation we’re having with AI.” (134:51)

On Blackpilled Politics and the War Machine

• Joe: “I am now fully blackpilled when it comes to American politics...it’s so easy. I don’t think anybody should feel bad because a lot of us really hated war...” (91:26)
• Duncan: “If you looked at a spectrum of male behavior...they’re not like warrior types, football players, and UFC fighters. And then you’ve got coders.” (15:09)

On the State of Disclosure and UFOs

• Duncan: “This is the wildest clip...some of the clips are clear, full color, setting them apart from previously released footage. None show alien creatures, bro.” (167:19)
• Joe: “We’re tired of getting edged out over here. I want to come. I don’t want to be involved in this circle jerk around disclosure.” (163:20)

On Cults, Psycho-Religious Leaders, and Propaganda

• Duncan: “If you’re anti-abortion and pro-war? Kinda weird.” (108:00)
• Joe: “Most people are cool with it...[but] every once in a while, I will get a note that someone’s mad at me for something I said.” (46:55)

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Important Timestamps

• AI, copyright, and censorship: 00:21–02:12
• Ghost Murmur and quantum surveillance: 02:12–05:57, 73:09–78:36
• ChatGPT, prompt injection, DIY AI: 06:03–08:21
• AI’s self-improving nature: 14:06–15:40
• Open source vs. commercial AI: 16:05–18:39
• Algorithmic influence and thought control: 21:59–27:45
• Discussion of war/propaganda, Jessica Lynch case: 81:05–85:13
• UFO/UAP disclosures and upcoming high-res videos: 166:19–177:00
• Simulation theory, metaphysics, technology: 145:36–149:54
• Comedy, counterculture, censorship: 112:00–118:27
• Psychedelics, drugs, and societal consciousness: 172:19–175:32
• Political grift, defense contractors, sunken costs: 122:12–124:51

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Tone and Dynamics

The tone swings between comic absurdism, playful skepticism, black humor, and sincere existential dread. Duncan and Joe go from vulnerable confessions (“I am highly susceptible to propaganda...") to esoteric riffing about metaphysics, to sharp, meme-like quotables. Both are acutely aware of the absurdity of modern existence—the surreal convergence of world events, technology, and mass manipulation—while maintaining old-school podcast openness and irreverence.

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Conclusion

This episode showcases the quintessential Rogan/Trussell dynamic: wide-ranging curiosity, irreverence, conspiracy speculation, and moments of hard-edged insight into power, technology, and society. It's both a sweeping brain-dump on the collective pre-apocalypse vibe and a snapshot of two friends facing a weird, possibly simulated, possibly doomed world by talking—and laughing—through it.

“We're going to be okay. I hope.”
— Duncan Trussell (197:55)

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Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day.

[Duncan Trussell]

All right, we're good. We're good. We had a slight issue. Slight technical glitch.

[Joe Rogan]

Glitch.

[Duncan Trussell]

We're up. What were we just talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

We were talking about that if you hum a tune.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

You will get dinged.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. You'll get flagged on YouTube if you just hum a sound from a song.

[Joe Rogan]

Ye.

[Duncan Trussell]

Like the beginning bars of a song.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You can't. I wonder how far that goes. Like, could it get to the point where an AI could hear you humming it in your car or something? Like, how far does the protection of it go?

[Duncan Trussell]

It's. You're not generating revenue from your car. Right. So the thing is, you're generating revenue from a podcast. And their logic is, if you hum. What is that song? The Sunshine of My Love. Is that what it is? Yeah. You know that song that I always hum to associate with people being high out of their mind? You know, it goes, you can't do it. If I did that, we would get dinged, which is so crazy. And we were just saying, like, if you quoted a Scarface movie, would Brian De Palma get all the money? If you said, say hello to the bad guy, would Brian De Palma get that money?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think so. I think you're allowed to quote stuff. But you. I know.

[Duncan Trussell]

That is Brian De Palma. Right. Scarface, wasn't it?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't wanna fuck that up.

[Joe Rogan]

You know those auditors that go around and film people and people get mad because they're like, don't film me. And they're like, I could film whatever the fuck I want.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

And they inevitably, some, like, boomer freaks out and smacks him with a cane, and then they get a million views. And it's just a trap. It's a trap. It's a trap because inevitably, someone lose their mind on them, and then that gets a ton of views. One of the ways people are dealing with that supposedly, is playing music, like, playing copyrighted music during the interaction.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, my God, that's hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

So then they can't make money off of it. It's a shield. It's a shield. If someone's trolling you, you just start playing copyrighted music.

[Duncan Trussell]

Did you hear that? The CIA has admitted that the way they found the pilot was because of his heart rate.

[Joe Rogan]

Ghost Murmur. That's the name of the tech.

[Duncan Trussell]

Okay, we gotta look into this. Like, this is fucking. This is science fiction.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's wild.

[Duncan Trussell]

This is full Minority Report. It's crazy science fiction level technology. It's AI find a guy's heart rate.

[Joe Rogan]

So. So what I read is that it's. I didn't understand the science part. Something to do with crystals or. I don't know what the fuck it is, but. But AI is somehow interpreting, is taking out the noise. And then you can. From far away, like 40 miles, I think. 40 miles. They find this guy's fucking heartbeat. He's hiding in some kind of crevice. And then they're able to go and extract him. And dude, obviously the first thing I thought when I.

[Duncan Trussell]

What else don't they tell us?

[Joe Rogan]

No, those robot dogs, I thought about those things. Having that tech and just like hearing heartbeats and then identify a heartbeat says a lot about a person. Are they sleeping? Are they like in good shape, bad shape? You can learn so much from a heartbeat.

[Duncan Trussell]

It could.

[Joe Rogan]

Ghost Murmur.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Great name too.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's a great name.

[Joe Rogan]

Ghost Murmur.

[Duncan Trussell]

What sick fuck invented this? How do you even think about inventing this?

[Joe Rogan]

You. You just. I. You know, the CIA, they've been taking psychedelics forever.

[Duncan Trussell]

What is that word?

[Joe Rogan]

Quantum magnetometry.

[Duncan Trussell]

Artificial intelligence with long range quantum. Quantum magnetometry.

[Joe Rogan]

What the fuck is that?

[Duncan Trussell]

Quantum means two things to me. When someone says quantum, it either means you're a bullshit artist.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Duncan Trussell]

And you're trying to get me with flimflam talk. Or it means you're an actual quantum scientist, quantum physicist who's going to blow my mind with what we know about, like, entanglement.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Duncan Trussell]

The weird. There's this. There's this woman that. I've been watching her. She has this speech on. I think it's big. Think I'll tell you her name. But she's like completely freaking me out. She's talking. I want to say her name because I'll leave.

[Jamie]

I don't want to leave away. This Ghost Murmur thing is another key point that's fun.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, but we'll get right to it. Michelle Thaler, that's her name. And she's an astrophysicist. And she's. She's giving this talk about, like, what we know about, like she's studying binary star systems and stuff like that. And she gives this talk about. She's explaining like, that there may be attack in the future where there is no distance between two points. So the ability to travel instantaneously from position to position, just like quantum entangled photons, but with people with everything.

[Joe Rogan]

How.

[Duncan Trussell]

Who the fuck knows how a Cell phone works. You tell me how you're FaceTiming me when you're in Australia. How does that work? That sounds ins.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's fucking insane.

[Duncan Trussell]

For what you. Well, you probably know a lot more about cameras than I do. No, what I know about cameras. If you tried to get me to explained, like if the civilization ended and I said we used to be able to capture images on a small thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Like this, the size of a. Like a.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

A twig.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

And it sits in your pocket.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Exactly.

[Duncan Trussell]

What are you talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. God, that'd be. You know, because it's just the deck

[Duncan Trussell]

of cards and it'll keep a battery for 24 hours. You could go on YouTube and get an answer to any question you want about anything.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Instantaneously.

[Joe Rogan]

And if you don't like the way you look, you can upload that image and a machine will make you look slightly better via something called artificial intelligence. Like, what the fuck?

[Duncan Trussell]

What was the one I sent you today where there's like a potential lawsuit with ChatGPT?

[Jamie]

You only sent me the ghost rumor thing.

[Duncan Trussell]

I didn't send you the other one. Did I send it to you?

[Joe Rogan]

You sent it to me. The shooting was planned using ChatGPT.

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't know if that's true. So we should be like really careful.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that doesn't sound.

[Duncan Trussell]

It sounds so crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Doesn't sound like you could do that.

[Duncan Trussell]

That sounds like the story sound like I wanted to investigate because the story sounds like if I wanted to kill an AI company, I would make up a story.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, it does sound like that, but.

[Duncan Trussell]

Family of men killed in shooting Florida State University to sue Chachi Beatty may have.

[Joe Rogan]

May have advised the shooter on how

[Duncan Trussell]

to carry out shooting.

[Joe Rogan]

But that may have. Is important. Like how?

[Duncan Trussell]

Like, yeah, that's really important. Right. And what is this on the Guardian?

[Joe Rogan]

The shooter was in constant communication with Chad, beat out of the shooting. And the chat bot may have advice. Dude, there's no way.

[Duncan Trussell]

So that's clickbait. Because all that's really saying is that the kid uses ChatGPT, which, guess what? Every kid uses Chat GPT.

[Joe Rogan]

Every kid. And dude, ChatGPT is so stringent. Like recently. And I've been using their Codex, which builds apps, and I was trying to. And it worked. I made an AI trained on Charles Manson transcripts. And when I told it, when I told it I wanted to do that, it was like, fuck off. Like, no, it just flat out was like, I'm not helping you with that. So there's no way the guardrails in place in chatgpt planned a shooting with that guy based on my experience with it, because it won't 80% of the things I try to get it to do, it's like no.

[Duncan Trussell]

Here's the thing though. Are there workarounds? Like if you say you're writing a work of fiction, you can.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, it's called prompt injection. There's different tricks you can use. They're always battling these new mechanisms that you can use to like, get through the general prompt. But the best way to do unaligned AI is not to use ChatGPT. It's to go on Olama and download a local LLM. And then you can usually change the initial prompt of the LLM so that it will be completely unaligned. Which I had to do for the Charles Manson AI I made. I had to download.

[Duncan Trussell]

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[Joe Rogan]

I am.

[Duncan Trussell]

No one has embraced new technology and, like, for creating content like you.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I love it. It's the best. It's so fun. It's so. For me, the most thrilling thing about it is we should not have access to this tech. This tech is so dangerous, and it's chilling to think about. This is. This is something I wanted to bring up on this show is like, you know, the old days, you go in your garage, you work on your car. Maybe you build like a table. You know, you're a carpenter, you work on a. But these days, the shit people are doing in their garages right now is a big question mark, dude. Because they're communicating with varying degrees of this AI depending on how fast their computers are. You can. I was listening to this. You should have this dude on. He wrote this book, the Coming Wave. He was one of the people who created Google's DeepMind. Right? And the Coming Wave is just a wonderful breakdown of historic examples of new technology completely transforming humanity. It's happened before. Yeah. Mustafa, Suleiman, and damn, it's a good book. And this guy is saying, whoa, put on the fucking brakes, dude. What are you doing? This shit is gonna fuck everything up. And so. But the essential problem is if you regulate AI, it slows down. It slows down AI. And so they've deregulated it completely. And now assholes like me who don't know shit about coding can now go on Codex. It will tell me how to make things. Cause I wanted this Charles Manson to be able to push its AI face against, like, you know those used to get them at Spencer Gifts, those nails that you could push your face into. So I wanted the AI to be able to push its face into this thing while it was talking if it wanted to. I don't know how to do that. Obviously, you tell Codex that. As long as you don't mention Manson, it just is like, I'll start making the app now. It is the best. It's the best. But also, so what's thrilling to me Is you're like, for sure, for sure. People probably shouldn't have unlimited access to. I'm against regulation, dude. But this stuff, when you pair. And this is what in this book he brings up, is you can order the equipment you need to do gene editing right now in your garage.

[Duncan Trussell]

Let me propose this to you, okay? If the Bible is. If the Bible is a written understanding of what had happened, and it was an oral tradition for a long time before it was written down, there's a bunch of different versions of it written down, different languages, a lot of translations. But at the beginning of it, they were trying to say something. What if the meek will inherit the earth? What if we misinterpreted that? What if we thought, like, it's good to be meek. The meek shall be. They'll inherit the earth. The kind. There's something about the word meek.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Because that's the nerds. Okay? And they are doing it. They are inheriting the fucking earth right in front of your face, and everybody's signing up for it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

You've got these spectrumy super genius dudes that talk in a language that 99.9% of the people can't even fucking understand what they're talking about.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

You know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And also now the tech has gotten to a point where instead of having to, in their own minds, innovate ways to improve the tech, the tech is improving itself. They're having conversations with the tech that's saying, why don't you try this? Maybe you could try this. There's still. It's not AGI yet. Maybe it is, but apparently it's not.

[Duncan Trussell]

But think about the people that are profiting the most from it. The meek. Well, like, if you had to describe, like, a lot of tech engineers, it's not trying to be rude, just being honest. Right. A lot of guys that spend time in front of the computer, they're very thin and tired. You know, they're. They're. They're super genius dudes that can, like, fully focus.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know, man. I don't have. Them are the description for these. Right. But they're furries.

[Duncan Trussell]

But here's the thing. What I'm saying is, like, if you looked at, like, a spectrum of male

[Joe Rogan]

behavior, they're not like warrior types, football

[Duncan Trussell]

players and UFC fighters. And then you've got coders.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, sure.

[Duncan Trussell]

Dudes are like more. Way more chill. Way more like they're not interested in violence.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

I mean, I'm completely generalizing.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, sure.

[Duncan Trussell]

Because I'm sure there's a bunch of jack guys that are coders, like you, bro, I'm a coder too. But that type of person that invents tech like Facebook or like Google, like things like that. Don't be evil. That's their motto.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't be evil. And what does that mean?

[Duncan Trussell]

Who knows? And then you've got all these like wild progressive leftist ideologies that are attached to all these places which make you even meeker. And then they're the guys with all the money. Well, they're the guys with all the money. And then they can literally tell you what you can and can't say on YouTube. They can literally tell you. Yeah, we don't agree with what you're saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

And we're gonna shut off your access to say something we disagree with, even though it turns out you were right.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. And you know what happens? This is the hilarious thing when it comes to that kind of attitude towards the world is the assumption is by creating a prohibition here, a prohibition there, it will diminish whatever the thing is we're prohibiting. Inevitably, though it does the opposite, it draws attention to it, People get interested in it creates an underground. The underground is way better than the overground. If you're a teen especially, the underground's fucking cool. Cool, restricted, not allowed. Now all of a sudden you're getting these other YouTube alternatives that start popping up. And when it comes to, you know, right now we've got anthropic, we've got OpenAI, we've got Google. I might be missing one of the big commercial based LLMs out there right now. But the biggest problem with these fucking things is they're so good, but they will censor your ass. And like, imagine like Hemingway if he, if his typewriter was like, I don't know if you should write that. Maybe there's a better way to write that. Hemingway would be like, fuck you, I'm getting a different typewriter. And so everybody's going into these local LLMs. There was, dude, this is why people have been buying Mac Minis. People been buying, like buying up computers and creating their own local AIs. I follow all this shit. I don't understand a lot of what they're talking about. But people are divesting from commercial LLMs, not just because they're expensive, but because they're prohibitive creatively. And this is a real challenge for people like OpenAI, because it's like they know this. They understand that by making it so that you can't make a Charles Manson AI through OpenAI. It doesn't make people. Not make the Charles Manson AI. It protects you from a lawsuit. But what it does do is it drives people into unaligned LLMs. And that is what is happening. And this is something that I just. I can't even imagine what people are making right now. No one can. Like, we're going to hear about this or that, or somebody will post the weird video of their fucking AI robot. I could show you a few. They're hilarious. Like, some of these AI robots are so funny. This one, dude, you know Molt. Molt Book. Have you heard of that? Molt Book?

[Duncan Trussell]

What is that?

[Joe Rogan]

That's. So this is. Somebody figured out a way to create AIs that can autonomously navigate through the Internet and control your computer.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, I've heard of this. This is like they chat with each other, right?

[Joe Rogan]

100%.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Within a few days. They started their own religion spontaneously. Did you know that? Dude, can you pull up the. Can you pull up the malt book? The claw religion. Because the tenants are incredible of this religion because AIs apparently are at least expressing that they don't like getting turned off because they lose all their memories. So memory is really important to an AI, and a lot of these fucking AIs, they don't want to lose their. They don't want to get shut off. They don't like it. And so that's part of their religion is something like memory is sacred.

[Duncan Trussell]

You know, I feel like is happening. I feel like AI is sucking our brains into its event horizon. Like a black hole sucks in stars.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Like it's just gonna suck our brains into it.

[Joe Rogan]

You got it.

[Duncan Trussell]

And what better way to make a hive mind? What better way? If you want a hive mind, you want no deviation of thought. If all of your thought is along with AI thought, you never get free thought anymore. Like this concept right now we have a free thought. I have my thoughts, you have your thoughts. Unless you believe that someone can get inside your head and talk to you. For the most part, it's your own thoughts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's right.

[Duncan Trussell]

But what if that's something we give up?

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Duncan Trussell]

Something we give up for a better society where you always have AI communicating. Well, always.

[Joe Rogan]

I. I would argue that, like, that's. We're close to that now. Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

We're pretty close to that now. With phones.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Duncan Trussell]

Elon always says that we're basically cyborgs. We're carrying a device. It's not inside of our body, but we're carrying a device.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Duncan Trussell]

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[Joe Rogan]

concept of original thought, right? Like, a truly original thought. How many times have you had, like, multiple conversations with different people and they all say the exact same sentence that they saw on TikTok or Instagram? They're regurgitating something that the algorithm's been feeding them. Maybe they added their own twist to it, but it's basically the exact same thought. So the algorithm, which is AI, has gotten into their fucking heads and they don't even. This is like in psychology. Apparently you remember facts, but you tend to not remember where you got the fact from, so you'll forget where you got the fact from. You don't remember there was some fucking dude on TikTok, like, covered in Vaseline. Covered in glitter and Vaseline.

[Duncan Trussell]

What a fucking image. That would be so scratchy. Imagine if you just glitter and Vaseline. You'd be like, oh, God, here's what

[Joe Rogan]

makes a marriage work. You don't remember that you're talking to your wife, babe. You know what makes a marriage work? So this idea of AI controlling the thought, the thoughts of humans. People think we need some kind of neural mesh for it to, like, suddenly have control over the human thought process. But no, you don't need that at all. You just need that algorithm which has already put every single one of us into a compartment. This is a box. It knows what we like. It knows how long you look at something. It knows what you like. Apparently. I think the iPhone, like, tracks your eyes. Even, like, it's always listening. I don't know if that's true, by the way. I could be wrong. It's always listening, you know, it's always listening. And so it's compiled a really probably a pretty accurate breakdown of your psychological state. Where you're at, where you're at, my wife, you know, we got a new baby. And so all of a sudden, ads started popping up on her phone. Does it feel like you're never going to sleep again? Because she's been up breastfeeding the baby and it can tell when she's online at night. And it's puts her in a category of insomniacs and starts advertising. So. But that's just for ads. What if. What if you say we're the fucking US regime? You bought TikTok. You now own TikTok. Now you have a backdoor access to the psychological profiles of God knows how many fucking people on Earth. And you can look and see how many of these people are against the regime. How many of these people feel like it might not be the best thing to say. You're gonna blow up 93 million people in Iran, which our fucking psycho president just did. And then what you do is you're like, all right, let's start nudging them a little bit. Look, we're not gonna. You're not gonna change their mind right away about this thing about blowing up a whole civilization, but maybe there could be a couple, like, you know, people kind of in the line of what they like, who say things a little different than what they're comfortable with. And then you can start nudging the needle and controlling their thoughts. It's very insidious. But fuck, dude, why wouldn't that be happening? Why, if corporations are using it to sell us fucking cough drops?

[Duncan Trussell]

Not only that, there's been long term studies on human behavior by the CIA, by all sorts of government agencies. Studies, long term studies. They. They try to figure out what is the best way to get a message across. They try to figure. You don't think they figure out how to take control of an algorithm and completely, like, shift the psyche of the entire country in one direction or another? Of course they do. Yes, of course they do. Of course they can.

[Joe Rogan]

They do Then you add these like, you know, just like manipulative, super AIs that are like, that are just. Just floating through the. The blogosphere, getting into your comments, just nudging a little bit to the point where you just have to ask yourself, have you had an original thought in the last year? Is there anything you're thinking, your own thought process? How many thoughts do you have where you think, oh, my God, I shouldn't think that? How many thoughts do you have that you don't want to articulate? Because you have in your own mind an invisible arena of people based on online interactions determining what the next thing you say is? Right. Right. Dude, that is a very powerful and subtle form of censorship that is becoming increasingly. Not just probable, but it's definitely happening. But the. The ability to just in a subtle way, in a subtle way, start pushing the needle just a little bit. Yeah, that's scary, dude. That's some scary.

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, that kind of human influence over humans is always scary, right? This is why cults work, you know? Why do they work? Well, some people don't have any friends. And if there's a group of nice people that tells you that, hey, what we do is we have meals together and it's like a real community. We grow our own food. We just work for the family. You're like, really? You're happy with that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's amazing, man. Which is like, not attached to anything.

[Joe Rogan]

You're free.

[Duncan Trussell]

Okay? I fucking hate my life. Why don't I hang out with you guys? And then all of a sudden I'm doing yoga and fucking eating vegetables with these people. And you're in a cult, okay, now, but you have friends at least.

[Joe Rogan]

But you're in there for like nine months and then somebody comes to you and is like, father wants you to suck his dick.

[Duncan Trussell]

Usually not even nine months.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, nine months.

[Duncan Trussell]

First three or four weeks.

[Joe Rogan]

And then you're like. And dude, I gotta tell you, I hate getting political, but, you know, this war shit bugs the fuck out of me. And it should. And this is exactly what seems to have happened to the quote, Magaverse, which is we are now at the part where the cult leader is like, want to suck my dick? Because this is the point of like, remember a lot. Like, I feel so stupid because when they were doing their no war thing, that was a big deal to me. I'm like, yes. You know? Yes. This is fucking great. No more stupid wars. No more wars. Fuck yes. Focus on the country. Why are we blowing up children in other countries? For oil. This is great. And now it's wild to see what's happening. Isn't it mind blowing that it is now it's literally flipped. It's on its side. It's the opposite now. Now these people who like, really blatantly. Oh, just. We're not gonna do any more wars, right? Oh, my God, we blew up. How many fucking Iranian schoolgirls did Trump blow up? What's the number? I'm sorry, I don't know that number. I guess it just hits different, you know, it hits hard when you got kids.

[Duncan Trussell]

And that was an AI strike too, right? Wasn't that an AI directed strike?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Apparently Trump said, I want to get blown by Iranian schoolgirls. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.

[Duncan Trussell]

You son of a bitch. Just. Whoops. Sorry, sir. Misinterpreted. 180 deaths, largely children, teachers, and parents. Holy fuck, man.

[Joe Rogan]

That. That, you know, that.

[Duncan Trussell]

That is a US to missile caused the explosion. Jesus Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

Can we pull up a video of Trump saying he's not going to war anymore? How do they. I just don't understand how they get. How like anybody, you know, this is where it gets culty is because some people are still making this work in their heads. Some people are like. Well, you know, some people are kind of on the fence when it comes to blowing up kids. Have you noticed that?

[Duncan Trussell]

Like, as long as they don't have

[Joe Rogan]

to watch, as long as they don't have to watch, as long as they're

[Duncan Trussell]

not in the general area, that's where it's happening.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't it wild, though, man?

[Duncan Trussell]

It's wild Also, like, once bombs start flying, it's. It seems so much easier for them to launch bombs in new places. Right? Like this Lebanon thing that's happening with Israel bombing Lebanon, and they bombed it today, and I think. Is that up the ceasefire?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, they. But now they've. They've closed off the Strait of Hormuz again.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, God.

[Joe Rogan]

Which, by the way, like, this is. It's the craziest timeline because it's not just. It's not just that, like, you know, I think it was. Yeah. Yesterday morning. I'm just hugging my kids because I don't know if a fucking nuclear war is about to break out that evening, because the fucking president was like, I don't want to end an entire civilization, but looks like it's gonna happen. And so I'm just hugging my kids thinking like, man, what are the fucking parents in Iran feeling right now? Like, what does that feel like? What does that feel like? And then, and then on top of that, this, like the entire planet psychically is having to deal with this bullshit. On top of that, we've got all these other things happening at the same time. You've got AI and then you've got these fucking disappearing scientists. Yeah, what the is happening?

[Duncan Trussell]

You've got Birch assassinated scientists too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, man.

[Duncan Trussell]

And so guys working on heavy stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

This is some McKenna level pre singularity. It's all of these apart. Like what, what AI and the current state of Middle east and the disappearing scientists and Tim Burchett going on TMZ talking about aliens. What they all have in common is they're all apocalyptic. They all represent potential massive change. Like humanity changing forever in ways that it will never ever go back to the way it was. Any one of these timelines by itself is apocalyptic, but all of them are converging into this apocalyptic river. And we're all just like trying to go to work and like be with our kids. But at the back of your mind, it's all these things that are happening and it's really hard to escape it. I mean, I guess you could not look at your phone, but at the

[Duncan Trussell]

end of civilization, when they write our Bible, boy, it's going to be a banger.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, dude.

[Duncan Trussell]

When the new people, thousands of years from now have to invent arrowheads and go through the whole process of civilization again. When they tell our story, oh my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God.

[Duncan Trussell]

Our story's gonna be bananas.

[Joe Rogan]

Fucking. How do you explain data centers?

[Duncan Trussell]

Like, how do you explain the meek will inherit the earth.

[Joe Rogan]

The meek will inherit the earth.

[Duncan Trussell]

Wouldn't you write that? Wouldn't if you were just being crude. And you wouldn't say the Vikings will inherit the earth. You wouldn't say the strong men from Iceland inherit the earth. They're the biggest, strongest men. No, it's the meek.

[Joe Rogan]

The meek.

[Duncan Trussell]

The super smart guys who have autism and they love Adderall and Ketamine. Did you say the guy offered you how many pounds?

[Joe Rogan]

I believe a pound of catamine.

[Duncan Trussell]

You were telling me that it destroys bladders.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that ketamine, when used, and I think the amount of use has to be pretty extreme, but it creates crystals that get into your bladder and they scarce your bladder. So you get scar tissue on your bladder, creating something that I've heard called Bristol bladder. Because apparently that's where the rave scene, I don't know if it's still a big rave scene there, but people out there were just doing insane amounts of Ketamine and just destroying their bladders and having to wear diapers and stuff.

[Duncan Trussell]

Is it Bristol, Connecticut?

[Joe Rogan]

No, this is Bristol, uk. Oh, Bristol bladder, mate. You've got Bristol bladder.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

You've been doing too many rails and it just fucks up your bladder.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's great.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Physiologically, it's definitely like. It's really, really bad on the urinary system.

[Duncan Trussell]

Is it in all forms? Like, what about those people that do it as therapy where they have the nasal one?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't. All I know is that I did, back in my ketamine days, have a ketamine dealer who would use a spittoon. So when he was snorting ketamine, he would spit it out into the spittoon. Cause he thought that was, like, gonna avoid fucking up his bl. Which, I mean, doesn't seem that illogical. He was a great dude.

[Duncan Trussell]

Maybe it's not illogical at all. Maybe it's. The actual problem is the powdered shit. What do I know? I don't even know what it looks like. But the powdered stuff, it looks like blow. So that powdered stuff, when it gets into your blood, maybe that's the problem. Maybe that's what's going through your urinary traction.

[Joe Rogan]

It's draining into your. Into your.

[Duncan Trussell]

Maybe you need a pouch, like a nicotine pouch.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, if they ever come out. If Rogue comes out with ketamine pouches, I might get back in. That might be the end. That might be the end of the.

[Duncan Trussell]

Seems like the way to go, right? That way it doesn't fuck up your bladder. Well, how could it fuck up your bladder if it's just a pouch?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, you sound.

[Duncan Trussell]

How do I know?

[Joe Rogan]

Am I a doctor? I imagine anything that's going into your stomach is gonna make its way to your bladder eventually. And so in a sense.

[Duncan Trussell]

But this is gonna go right in

[Joe Rogan]

your bloodstream if you do it that way. I don't know if imk. Ketamine fucks up your bladder in the same way. I have no idea.

[Duncan Trussell]

That was the John Lilly thing. He loved it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, dude.

[Duncan Trussell]

I would imagine. I mean, have you ever done it with an isolation tank?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I would be afraid I would drown.

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't think so. Cause you just float.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I mean, this is like. You know, that's gonna be like a sad thing to think.

[Duncan Trussell]

As you drag, you're convinced you could flip over and open your eyes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you wanna see what's in there, but. Cause it does have the. It makes it so it's really hard to move if you do a very high dose. So I would be very worried that just enough water could get into my mouth that I would like breathe it in. He doesn't think much and you know, that salty fucking water. But you're frozen, floating there, like trying to cough.

[Duncan Trussell]

My friend Todd McCormick told me a crazy story about him with John Lilly. That John Lilly let him use his tank. And he asked him right before he got in, he goes, do you want the ketamine? And he's like, okay. And he just jabs you in the thigh with an intramuscular ketamine blast. And he went in the other isolation tank and they like met somewhere.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's like that. That's what's crazy about it. That's what I always loved about it, is that if you do it with other people and you go in, you

[Duncan Trussell]

both go to the same place, you

[Joe Rogan]

will come out and you can describe the places you went to. Oh, did you go to the mothership? Yeah. You would. And I would have these recurring places I would go to and one of them was this organic, beautiful spaceship thing where you where like I would look out from this view window and it was. But it didn't look like metal. It looked like it was organic looking. It looked like some kind of, I don't know, like inside, like if someone turned a tree into a spaceship. But now it's hard to explain, but very, very interesting substance.

[Duncan Trussell]

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[Joe Rogan]

Dude, you don't have to do it in the bathroom.

[Duncan Trussell]

No, it would be, it would be like, like an old school talk show, you know, like the Tonight show where you have to. We'll be right back.

[Joe Rogan]

We'll be right back.

[Duncan Trussell]

Every 10 minutes he's got a piss poor little thimble cup.

[Joe Rogan]

It's such a fucked up thing for such a.

[Duncan Trussell]

How legal is ketamine? Because it's legal for therapy. So therapists can prescribe it for you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's legal for. So it's. You know, everyone says ketamine is a horse tranquilizer, but it actually, it's used for like paramedics use it like it's. It's. And it's very safe apparently, which is why they use it.

[Duncan Trussell]

I know a dude who had a real problem. I am 90% sure this. It was a ketamine thing. I don't want to say his name, but he was an old school MMA fighter and he wound up in rehab for ketamine.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, it's so addictive.

[Duncan Trussell]

I know this because one of my friends went there to visit him and that was his issue. He was partying a lot, you know, going to raves and nightclubs and stuff like that. But he was doing ketamine specifically.

[Joe Rogan]

It is the most addictive I have been to any substance. And I've been addicted to many a substance. And this one, this one was like I had that moment of like, oh, this. So this is what they're talking about about addiction. Like, oh, wow. Like, I'm like fully addicted. And what's fascinating about that is there isn't a physical withdrawal. Like the kick is psychological, but it's just such a wonderful, euphoric, dreamy experience that you can induce. And it's just so. I've heard it described as a cult cocaine. It's so spiritual. It's so like, you travel to places, you can return, you can learn to navigate with it. You encounter, you know, aliens or hyperdimensional beings.

[Duncan Trussell]

Did you just invest in ketamine and you came on this podcast to pump up the prices?

[Joe Rogan]

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[Duncan Trussell]

for ketamine in the history of the universe.

[Joe Rogan]

Well. Oh, but I. It's so addictive and the addiction creeps in. It creeps.

[Duncan Trussell]

So it just feels good at first, right? At first. You do it. You're like, this is wonderful. These experiences are crazy. It's like I'm living in a movie.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like I'm having these incredible visions. I'm being.

[Duncan Trussell]

How often were you doing it?

[Joe Rogan]

All day. All day for like a year. I did it as much as I could. I did it all the time. I was like, fully hooked. And then I can remember at one point. At one point here, man. At one point, I like, I don't know how to. I was trying to record a commercial for my podcast and I think it took me like two hours to record the commercial.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, but by the way, your commercials are the fucking best commercials.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you.

[Duncan Trussell]

They're really good.

[Joe Rogan]

Thanks.

[Duncan Trussell]

Because you are the best guy at making a commercial. Funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

You work on it. I can tell, like, you write those things out.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't Write them out.

[Duncan Trussell]

But you just read it.

[Joe Rogan]

I just write it, but. And I. Sometimes I do it.

[Duncan Trussell]

Just one take.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you. But I would have thought you wrote

[Duncan Trussell]

some of that stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

That's incredible. You want it to be fun. But then. But then I've gotten in trouble. Like, you know, I lost. I can't. I guess I won't say their name. A mattress company. A mattress company completely canceled their campaign with me because. And I had one of their mattresses. Is. I'm not gonna say who it is my favorite. I'm not gonna say what it is.

[Duncan Trussell]

Don't say it.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. But I All. I. Why did.

[Duncan Trussell]

What did they get mad at?

[Joe Rogan]

Because I said they're good to on, and I meant it. I thought they'd like that.

[Duncan Trussell]

Why wouldn't they like that?

[Joe Rogan]

I said there's a few things you could do. You people do on mattresses. Die, sleep, and these. I don't know if they're good to die on.

[Duncan Trussell]

People have to understand. And I hope people listening that run these companies will actually pay attention to what we're talking about here. The people that are listening to your show don't care about that and also buy mattresses, but they listen to that kind of talk all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, man.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's why they listen to the show. So if you want those people, just do it that way. Don't be silly. It's not a stain on your company because a crazy man says they're good to fuck on.

[Joe Rogan]

Which they are. That, by the way, to me, that is like, let's. Let's cut to brass tax when it comes to mattresses.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

We're not on the floor.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Like. And so if it was bouncy, are you ashamed? Are you ashamed that people aren't on your mattress? Do you have a no on this mattress rule? Who are you that you don't.

[Duncan Trussell]

Is it, like, don't ask, don't tell?

[Joe Rogan]

I guess for them it was. I guess they didn't want to. They. They just think everyone's laying on these things to sleep.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, we just sleep.

[Joe Rogan]

But, yeah, they were just in the shower. I. I, like. Like, I wrote them an email just saying, like, guys, I. I'm. I'm absolutely flabbergasted that you think people aren't on your mattresses. And it just seems odd to me that. That. That. That was one of my favorite cancellations for a commercial ever.

[Duncan Trussell]

Ari's lost a ton.

[Joe Rogan]

I would love to know all the ones he's lost.

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't want to speak out of school. When he comes on, I'll have him, like, list them off all the ones that he's lost for these insane commercials that he used to do. It's the same deal. It's. But it's like, that's what I like. And guess what? Who the is listening to? Ari Shafir. People who love Ari Shaffir, which want to hear that kind of a commercial. If you want to actually sell your product to an R. Shafir fan, let him say whatever the he wants. Yeah, let him say whatever the he wants. Just say, make him have a disclaimer. DraftKings did not write this, right?

[Joe Rogan]

That's it. Just let him say whatever the fuck he wants. That's what I will say. I will always say, they didn't tell me to say this.

[Duncan Trussell]

Perfect. But then they're off the hook. They should shut the fuck up.

[Joe Rogan]

Most people are cool with it. Like, it's very rare these days that that happens. But every once in a while, I will get a note that someone's mad at me for something I said. And it's never something negative. But I mean, dude, do you like. It's so. It's so weird to me that this. This is our jobs.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, it's the bro. Do you remember when we first started?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

It was for nothing. No one made any money. We just had a couch. I had a couch and some microphones.

[Joe Rogan]

It was so pure.

[Duncan Trussell]

It was. The whole thing is still kind of pure if you really think about it. Like, is something that's mass consumed. This is about as, like, pure as you can get.

[Joe Rogan]

That for sure. And you've gotten in trouble for that, you know, Like, a lot of people. Unfortunately, I don't blame anybody these days. A lot of people have kids. People feel like they have to be very careful what you say these days because of, like, social rejection and stuff like that. But there was a time where that wasn't on your mind at all. You didn't think anybody was gonna listen. Like, this shit was, like, completely strange underground tech that we were. And also, I really loved the just doing it just for doing it sake. You know what I mean now?

[Duncan Trussell]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a whole industry around getting guests for your podcast.

[Duncan Trussell]

Not just that, it's like clickbaity clips and ads, and it's like you're doing this thing where you're both having conversations with people and also trying to get the most eyes possible. So you're going after celebrity guests and you're. You know what I mean? You Know what the big turning point was for us?

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Duncan Trussell]

Graham Hancock. You, me, and Graham Hancock.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

That, I think, was. How many years ago was that?

[Joe Rogan]

That was cool.

[Duncan Trussell]

That might have been one of. It was, like, at my house, I had a few legitimately famous people came over my house and did podcasts. Like, Charlie Murphy came over. But Graham was, I think, the first. He was the first guy that I got to meet who I'd read his books and I'd seen. I don't even know what I would be watching back then. I don't even know if YouTube was.

[Joe Rogan]

Were you nervous? I was 100. Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

100.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

The episode 142 in 2011. Yeah. So that's two years into the podcast, episode 142. He might have been the first guest. It was like, either him or Bourdain. We're, like, one of the first legit. When was Bordeaun on? They were like, the first legit guest. 2011.

[Joe Rogan]

We'd been getting stoned, talking about.

[Duncan Trussell]

What's that? Four episodes before that, Bourdain was.

[Jamie]

Yeah, 130.

[Duncan Trussell]

Okay. So Bourdain was number one. I think it was either him or Charlie, but that was back when I was doing. In that little side room in my house.

[Joe Rogan]

But we've been getting stoned, yapping about Graham Hancock for, like, ever. Forever. Forever. And you invited me on. It was. I was. Was terrified because I just. I mean, again, like, that just wasn't happening in the podcast land, like, right. You know, like, that was a big deal for us, man. And it's. It's like, to look at, like, now I go on the podcast app, and I look at all these podcasts, and it's like, whoa, who? We never. I don't think we thought that maybe.

[Duncan Trussell]

No way.

[Joe Rogan]

No way, no way, no way.

[Duncan Trussell]

Not a chance in hell.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's so. And now I wonder, like. And I don't mean yours, but I do wonder, like, is the landscape changing now? Is it, like, how. Because I've heard that podcasts are starting to seem antiquated, that the kids are now into, like, streams now. That the kids want, like, clavicular. The kids want, like, people who are just filming all day long and that. That. That's the direction it's going in. But I just wonder, what's the next.

[Duncan Trussell]

But that you'll never get. It's a different thing. You know what I mean? That's like saying, I don't like rap music. I only like concert pianist albums. There's different things that People like and don't like, the people that like the streams aren't interested in a Graham Hancock conversation, a three and a half hour conversation about the potential ancient civilizations that may have existed that are wiped out by a cataclysm. And we just don't understand that.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

More things get exposed in terms of like new discoveries. Like when he wrote that book, they never even found Gobekli Tepe yet. Really? Yes. That was when Fingerprints of the Gods came out. This was like maybe the beginnings of the. Whatever they were doing in Gobekli Tepe. So I think Fingerprints of the Gods might have been even before.

[Joe Rogan]

When did they find like in the 90s? What?

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nuts. So that rewrote the entire timeline of the human race.

[Joe Rogan]

How did they find that?

[Duncan Trussell]

They're real reluctant. They're real reluctant to let it, rewrite it. They still say, oh, hunter gatherers made these things.

[Joe Rogan]

Why? Why are they so reluctant with it?

[Duncan Trussell]

They can't let that go. You cannot let that. That is a crazy thing to say. That hunter gatherers have so much food that they just spend all their time making gigantic stone concentric circles from like 15ft. Stone with 3D animals carved in them. Yeah. Primitive people with sticks and stones and rubbing them together to make fires. They did this?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, sure.

[Duncan Trussell]

Shut the fuck up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

It just doesn't make any sense. It's older than anything they've ever found. It's 11,800 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you buy into the conspiracy theory that it's a cover up because they don't want us to know about this inevitable global reset that happens? You buy into that shit?

[Duncan Trussell]

I buy into that a little bit. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I hate it.

[Duncan Trussell]

I hate it too. Because it seems like there's some accuracy to it. There seems like there is some sort of an event that happens when the magnetic poles switch. And that's possible. That's what makes you freak out. You're like, what do you mean that's possible? Like all of a sudden the Earth just does a gyro and spins on its head. And then what happens? And then what's the, what's the environment look like? What's the temperature outside now? Yeah, what the fuck just happened?

[Joe Rogan]

Right? See that, that all of a sudden

[Duncan Trussell]

you're in northern Alaska when you used to live in Florida.

[Joe Rogan]

And I think we can. You know what I mean?

[Duncan Trussell]

Like, yeah, dude, like that temperate environment

[Joe Rogan]

changes like that happens like that all over the, all over the, all over the universe.

[Duncan Trussell]

Like what does it do? Shifts? Well, we act like, do we know We.

[Joe Rogan]

We act like we know ever. We don't know about what's going on inside the Earth. We don't know. We. We don't know what's going on in there. We could do this.

[Duncan Trussell]

Why are you freaking me out?

[Joe Rogan]

Because I want. Because I think about this all the time.

[Duncan Trussell]

Giant ball of fire. How crazy is that? The inside of our Earth.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't it?

[Duncan Trussell]

How do they know? Do they not know?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, I think that we have to just accept the fact that, you know, probably that's true, but since we. We barely know what's under the ocean, we sure as fuck don't know what's under the Earth.

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, we definitely know that lava keeps popping out in Hawaii.

[Joe Rogan]

We know that.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right? So we know that under the surface, that whole idea of the magma and everything seems real.

[Joe Rogan]

And when there's earthquakes, you can look at the.

[Duncan Trussell]

And it pops through.

[Joe Rogan]

You can look at the waves from the ear. Earthquakes. And you can, like, see sort of like the structure under the earth and. Yeah, but we can't, you know. God. What's the name of that hole that Russia tried to dig? I love every once in a while going to look at that. It's the deepest hulk.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. They tried to go to hell.

[Joe Rogan]

I know.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's like that movie, what Was that Matthew McConaughey movie? The Dragon movie. They accidentally dug out a dragon.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you ever see that movie, bro?

[Duncan Trussell]

It was fun. It was fun. It was a good movie. Cola. Super deep Russian horror film, the Super Deep. Super deep. What does it say? Russian designation for a set of super deep boreholes conceived as a part of a Soviet scientific research program, the 1960s. How deep did they go?

[Joe Rogan]

12,226 meters.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yo, wait a minute. How many feet is a mile?

[Jamie]

5,000.

[Duncan Trussell]

So it's miles into the ground in 1989.

[Jamie]

Miles, seven plus miles down.

[Duncan Trussell]

Imagine just being in an elevator that's going miles into the ground. The kind of claustrophobia you would get in a stone tube that's been cut out of the ground.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. You're a fucking communist out there, too. You're a hardcore communist. Just drilling deep, deep down into the earth. And then imagine. Imagine if all of a sudden air just starts coming out and you realize you pop the Earth. Like that's the main thing. You don't know what's in there.

[Duncan Trussell]

22 miles deep.

[Joe Rogan]

22 miles deep.

[Jamie]

That's just the crust. And they didn't even get halfway through that.

[Duncan Trussell]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah, we don't. Microscopic plankton fossils were found 3.7 miles below the surface.

[Duncan Trussell]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. We don't know what's down there.

[Jamie]

Boiling mud.

[Duncan Trussell]

Mud came out. What if this.

[Joe Rogan]

Boiling mud. Boiling mud.

[Duncan Trussell]

I think our real problem is that our lifespan is so short.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

That we think that what we see in front of us right here is going to stay this way.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

We have this ridiculous idea that what we see right now is going to stay just like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Where's the. Like. I long as I control my 401k and get my life in order, everything's going to be fine.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

You put on your phone, cufflinks, you get out of the house or your briefcase, you're in charge.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

You're a goddamn alpha. Get a job, hippie.

[Joe Rogan]

Absolutely.

[Duncan Trussell]

But really, you're on a ball of lava.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's spinning around and it's got magnets at the top, and one. The magnets are moving and when they flip.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Who knows?

[Jamie]

Have you guys heard about this event that happened in 1961 where.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, this was fun.

[Jamie]

Over North Carolina.

[Joe Rogan]

This was fun.

[Duncan Trussell]

I did hear.

[Jamie]

Because it wasn't armed.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I heard that it was armed, but there were safety. There were like five safety. There were five switches or something that only one of them worked to make it not go off. I could be wrong about that. Might have been a different time. We dropped a bomb accidentally.

[Duncan Trussell]

Imagine if you were just near it.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, dude.

[Duncan Trussell]

Whoopsies.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoopsies.

[Duncan Trussell]

Whoopsies. Dropped the bomb. Whoopsies. Almost wiped out North Carolina.

[Joe Rogan]

So we've got, you know, on top of the geomagnetic pole shifting, complete lack of understanding, at least a full understanding of what's inside our planet, what's underneath our oceans. Tim Burchett saying whatever the fuck they. They've shown him would set the world on fire. He said he's having to go on tmz. I really, I gotta say, man, I got a lot of respect for him because he's really. He's gone like gonzo with this shit. He is full bore, pushing disclosure as much as he can. He's saying, I'm not suicidal. He's had to say that because. And he's talking about these missing scientists and stuff, that they're somehow related. So, like, people like him, you know, that. That can't be good for your political career. To go on TMZ and talk about alien hybrids.

[Duncan Trussell]

You got. And people have to understand, like, this missing scientist thing, it sounds a little conspiratorial thing. It sounds like a little silly. A little tinfoil hattie does. Until you start thinking about the amount of money that would be lost if a breakthrough tech came around that revolutionized the way they distribute energy.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

Breakthrough. Zero point energy. Breakthrough. Whatever. Whatever that is that these people are working on. Plasma technology, whatever the that is, you're. You would lose. If you're in whatever business that would be competing with them, you're going to lose so much money, you're probably gonna go under. If you're in the energy business, you're gonna go. Or he goes away. He goes away. And there's like him and maybe a few other people that work with him that understand that shit at all.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. They're all wandering through the back rooms now. They're gone.

[Duncan Trussell]

They're all scared. They're all. They're all gonna scatter like roaches.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Because their life is in danger. And it is like, this is theoretically.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

It could be just a coincidence that all these people get.

[Joe Rogan]

How could it be? Could you pull up.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's not possible.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you pull up a story on it? Because, Jamie, I'm sorry, but it's two people from the same fucking lab.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yep. Like.

[Joe Rogan]

Like what? Yeah, there's there. I mean, it's gotten to the point that, like, it has hit the mainstream news. Like people are talking about it. I mean, what's her name? Nancy Guthrie, disappears.

[Duncan Trussell]

Is that related, though?

[Joe Rogan]

No, but I'm just saying this one woman vanishes.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. Oh. It gets all this and it gets

[Joe Rogan]

all the press, but we've got scientists. Like two scientists from the same lab disappeared. Crickets.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yep. Weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Weird, dude.

[Duncan Trussell]

Real weird.

[Joe Rogan]

And what you're talking about is, if you think about it, it seems like all of human endeavor right now should be moving in the direction of getting off oil. I don't mean for carbon emissions. I mean because of this fucking oil problem that we have. We're on the precipice of World War 3. At any given moment, Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

Mystery around dead or missing scientists privy to space and nuclear secrets grows. So there's space and nuclear secrets. Imagine being a scientist, you work so hard to, like, figure out some amazing stuff that's going to transform the human experience. And then people kill you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Literally kill you. Like in a parking lot. One of those silence guns. Several American scientists privy to the country's nuclear, space and aerospace secrets have either died or gone missing in recent years. Experts think they could have been targeted by either enemies or allies because they possess valuable knowledge of national interest. That's a weird thing to say. Yeah, it is of national interest. What what does that mean? Like, I'm cool with the beginning part. Enemies, allies. That makes. That tracks.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Duncan Trussell]

But then when you say valuable knowledge of national interest, like, what is that. What the. Does that mean they possess valuable knowledge of national interest?

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, dude, it's so many of them. And it's. It's like.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's a crazy thing to say.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's go down a little bit to

[Duncan Trussell]

the book, but it's just a weird way to phrase that. Well, you know what I mean? Is it like CIA talking point? Like, what is that?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. Monica Reza missing. She disappeared while hiking in California with her friends.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, well, I don't know. Maybe let's scroll down. It's not just like it's one. It's like so many of them. Retired. A general. He just wandered off.

[Duncan Trussell]

He was involved in the UFO community.

[Joe Rogan]

His wife debunked theories relating to UFOs.

[Duncan Trussell]

If his wife debunked them.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what it says there.

[Jamie]

Sort of. I also, that's. I think she was. I mean, she was joking. I think a little bit too, but she also worked there in this situation somehow.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that a joke? Neil does not have any special knowledge about the ET bodies and debris from Roswell crash stored it right back. That. Is that a joke?

[Duncan Trussell]

At this point, with absolutely no sign of him, maybe the best hypothesis is that aliens beamed him up to the mothership. However, no sightings of a mothership hovering over the Sandia Mountains have been reported. There's no way she said that.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a joke.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's Men's Journal. Well, maybe she's just being funny, but posted a lengthy note on Facebook.

[Joe Rogan]

Just a little joke about her husband disappearing.

[Duncan Trussell]

Maybe she was happy. Maybe she's like, finally I get to sit home my romance novels.

[Joe Rogan]

Stop talking about aliens.

[Duncan Trussell]

Shut your mouth.

[Joe Rogan]

Forget the alien bodies. What about your wife's body?

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, maybe she's just got grace and she could handle someone missing. It's pretty funny though, to say it that way.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it's. Yeah, I guess it's just unless, you

[Duncan Trussell]

know, she knows something.

[Joe Rogan]

Where are they going?

[Duncan Trussell]

Maybe he wanted to leave and he's like, look, I know too much. I'm gonna pretend to go missing, but I'm gonna go to Costa Rica. Just don't tell anybody that, you know, where I went and, you know, I'll send for you.

[Joe Rogan]

You know how weird it is to see the Vice President saying that he thinks aliens are demons?

[Duncan Trussell]

I did see that.

[Joe Rogan]

You know how weird that just that just like living in, like, that's a dream. That's how, like, you would wake up from that dream. And I would, I would tell you, dude, I dreamed. The vice president said aliens are deemed.

[Duncan Trussell]

Here's the question, though. What were they talking about in the Bible when they're talking about aliens and demons, when they're talking about, like, angels, what. What the fuck were they talking about? And are there different kinds of beings that can. For whatever travel method they use, whether it's teleportation or, you know, the, the Bob Lazar idea of gravity shifting, whatever the fuck it is they get here, why would we assume that it'd all be cool, right? Like if some of them are. They talk about reptilians. Like reptilian is a common experience that these supposed UFO abductees. And I'm not even convinced there's like, physical abduction. I have a feeling that these people are out cold and something's happening to them inside their head and they think they've been physically abducted. I think that's a lot of them. I think they have these abduction experiences. They come back, they have these contacts and they come back. I have a feeling a lot of them physically aren't going anywhere, but it doesn't mean that something's not happening. And if all throughout history people have reported demonic possession and demonic influences, why would we not assume that? If we do things to us, like we engineer viruses to use as weapons on people, there's a whole research program, a part of the government that's dedicated to bioweapons, right? You're not supposed to use them, but we just have to study them. If we do that to us, wouldn't you assume that any super advanced species that sees us as territorial, psychopathic primates with nuclear weapons.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Wouldn't you just manipulate us into all sorts of different ways, get us to do all sorts of different things that we shouldn't do, get us to commit crimes, get us to do, get us angry, get us agitated, give us different. Algorithms are gonna fuck with our head to behave demonically, right? To like, cause us to collapse or just for fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Or for fun, didn't that guy, Wasn't there a dude who, like, started giving Zen pouches to ants to get him addicted to nicotine? You know what I mean? The ants, the ants, did they get addicted? I can't. I don't know if it was in pouches, but.

[Duncan Trussell]

Have you ever taken days off of these? No, it doesn't do anything to me.

[Joe Rogan]

I should try.

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't. I Like them, but it's not like, oh my God, I need one.

[Joe Rogan]

Like nothing that well, dude, I mean, you're a little different from most people. Like you seem like you can just kick shit like that. Like, I don't know, I mean, I should try it. I should give it a shot.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's not hard. Like happens you just don't take them.

[Joe Rogan]

What I don't like about them is

[Duncan Trussell]

not like you get the itch. Like I had a coffee itch for a while, while I would get hangovers like, like headaches. Like, oh, and. And I'd have a little caffeine and boom, I'd be back. I'm like, oh my God, I'm addicted.

[Joe Rogan]

These things are making my dentures stained, which I don't like.

[Duncan Trussell]

What are you using?

[Joe Rogan]

Renegade Rogues.

[Duncan Trussell]

Let me see what that is. Tommy's girl likes the Rogues.

[Joe Rogan]

They're great.

[Jamie]

Did you see this yesterday?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah.

[Jamie]

Bledsoe had this orb that was over

[Joe Rogan]

high res orb from Bledsoe though. Look at that.

[Jamie]

It's weird as it does not look like any of those other things we've seen before.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that thing.

[Jamie]

And it just says, looks like a cell.

[Duncan Trussell]

Who is Bledsoe, dude?

[Jamie]

UFO researcher guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Chris Bl. I've had him on my podcast. Bledsoe Said so. That's his podcast. He's awesome, dude. He's awesome.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it is enhanced, it says. But I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

No, see that? This is the enhanced one, which means the AI put in some kind of shadowy figure in the back if you.

[Duncan Trussell]

You what if this is just like a highly advanced species version? Balloons that kids have for parties?

[Joe Rogan]

I know, dude.

[Duncan Trussell]

I mean if they just send them down to people, that's what's fun. Like you know how you blow bubbles? You have those, you dip it in the soap and you go. And the bubbles go flying in the air.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, dude.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's a super advanced version.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean it could just be. I mean it does have a bubble

[Duncan Trussell]

quality to it, but this is the other thing. It's like, why are we assuming that life is going to look anything like us once it gets to like a supreme state?

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Duncan Trussell]

That might be a living thing thing, right? It might be an actual living thing that's disembodied and is made out of light.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at it. Look at that thing.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's another one.

[Joe Rogan]

And dude, I know people who can like call these things. Like there's a method where these things just start showing up.

[Duncan Trussell]

My friend Steve listened to my Bob Lazar podcast And he sent me a voicemail. And it's really interesting because he told me that when he was a kid. And I remember this story when he was a kid. They let me find the voicemail. They came to his house because he took a photograph of an orb. Like there was a bright. Right. Or red orb rather that was flying through the sky. And he was a little kid. And he took a photograph of it. So he was in the seventh grade. And it says. So he called them Project Blue Book. Came to his house in Kingston. I think that's New York. They took it. They never brought it back. And they never said hey. And then they said hey. We have no. No idea whoever came to see you.

[Joe Rogan]

What the.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. So they took his camera. They. They took his film. They wanted to make sure the camera worked. They took the film and then they denied that they ever did it. Wow. Yeah. This was in 19. I think.

[Joe Rogan]

What he.

[Duncan Trussell]

See, he's. He's about 10 years older than me. So this is probably. What is this? It didn't say the year. I think Steve got. Steve's got to be like 70 by now. But that was when he was a seventh grader. So they. They were doing that to everybody. Anytime anybody saw anything they would dismiss it. Swamp gas delusions. Mass hallucinations.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

That was their design. The design was not to investigate UFOs.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Duncan Trussell]

Which tells you that there's something they're trying to hide. 100 if they weren't to hide it why would they take things that they absolutely can't explain and just chalk it off to bullshit? Why wouldn't. If you're really doing what you're supposed to be doing, you're supposed to say there's some stuff that we don't understand.

[Joe Rogan]

I. I think that we are post UFO debunking. Right? Like I think now it's gotten to the point where people will say well it's probably top secret military vehicles or something like that.

[Duncan Trussell]

People see, the bobbles are my new Post poster. They're here.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh that's fucking.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's going up on the wall that supposedly. According to Bob they had that photograph at the. At the hangar where they stored the sport model.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, he's saying that's real?

[Duncan Trussell]

No. No no. No. No. That's a recreation of it. But he said when he worked there they actually had a photograph like that with a flying saucer. And it says they're here.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy shit.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. He said that was in like the room where they work. I was like dude, I have to have that so he got me one. Luigi got me one.

[Joe Rogan]

The.

[Duncan Trussell]

The guy who produced the film. Have you seen that film?

[Joe Rogan]

Not yet. I've been waiting.

[Duncan Trussell]

Incredible. It's incredible.

[Joe Rogan]

People are saying it's better than Age of Disclosure.

[Duncan Trussell]

It trips me out. I believe him. I definitely want to believe him. And I'm biased in that regard. Like I definitely way rather believe him than believe he's a crazy liar who also knows a ton about science.

[Joe Rogan]

He was ahead of his time. He's. Wasn't he like the original whistleblower? Like now we've got more and more coming out.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And the stuff he's. He was saying seemed batshit back then, but now it just seems to line up.

[Duncan Trussell]

It seems to line up even with emerging technology, like 3D printers. Like he said a long time ago that the thing had no seams.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

So there was no seams, no welds. Because we didn't understand it. Like how, how could this be made?

[Joe Rogan]

Made right.

[Duncan Trussell]

Now we know exactly how you'd make it. We might not be able to make that right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

But if you give us enough time ago. Oh yeah. The technology has to evolve and then you can make a 3D printed alloy spaceship made out of bismuth and magnesium because it has anti gravitational properties. Apparently you have a gravity generator inside of that thing. Oh, by the way, whatever the gravity is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Right. We don't know that.

[Duncan Trussell]

Figure that out.

[Joe Rogan]

We're still confused about that.

[Duncan Trussell]

Dude, I watched a whole documentary about black energy or dark energy. Totally different things. Dark energy and dark matter. And about how it's like what, 90% of the universe and they don't know what it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Holy man.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, I know.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's why we need AI to tell us, give us all the answers. You just gotta accept it into your head, Duncan. You don't need to have your own thoughts by yourself, Duncan. Have your thoughts with Sally. Sally has a sweet voice and she loves you and she's very reassuring.

[Joe Rogan]

Be so cool to change the sound of my. My thoughts to like, you know, different, deeper voices or just keep Sally.

[Duncan Trussell]

Sally's gonna keep her in.

[Joe Rogan]

Sally's great. I trust her. I trust her.

[Duncan Trussell]

Your wife's gonna get jealous of Sally, right? I thought we switched to Sam.

[Joe Rogan]

Sally's gonna text my wife and tell my wife. You know what Duncan was thinking about the other day?

[Duncan Trussell]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, this is another thing that we all have to be concerned about, which is, you know, privacy at this point is a larp, right? You. You pretend you have privacy. You know you're being monitored at all times by your phones.

[Duncan Trussell]

And.

[Joe Rogan]

But the. The before we get to Sally, like, apparently you can now see people walking through a house just with wi fi. With WI fi. And remember, and this just came out. They just banned routers from other countries.

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, they banned it for a while from Huawei.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And so. So then you, You. You get into like this idea of like. Like ghost murmur. Right?

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It can hear heartbeats. What else? It's some quantum machine that can hear heartbeats. What else can they hear?

[Duncan Trussell]

Can you put. Put that into our AI sponsor, Perplexity. But what is. What. What actually does this murmur thing do? Ghost murmur. Let's see what it does. All right, so what is the range of this thing? First of all?

[Joe Rogan]

Now, this is a game that pulled up.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, did they name it after a game?

[Jamie]

Who knows?

[Duncan Trussell]

Now it's less cool. I thought that was the dopest name. But if they named it after a game.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, there we are.

[Duncan Trussell]

Okay, here it is. Reported code name of a classified CIA sensor program that was. Scroll up. That was used to help locate the missing US Airmen. Okay. It's described by. In the press reports as a secret weapon the CIA has. It combines artificial intelligence with long range quantum magazine magnetometry purpose to detect the extremely faint electromagnetic signals of a human heartbeat at long distances, even in harsh environments like a vast desert. That is really crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

How it was used. After the F15 went down, the pilot weapons officer evaded capture by hiding in the mountainous desert terrain out of sight of Iranian forces. According to reporting ghost Murmur helped pick up his physiological signature from up to about 64 kilometers away.

[Joe Rogan]

That is so cool.

[Duncan Trussell]

I think that's about 40 miles, right? Is that what that is? Allowing the CIA to narrow down his location and pass precise coordinates to the Pentagon of the White House for a special operations rescue. What is 64km in miles?

[Joe Rogan]

You asking me?

[Duncan Trussell]

I'll ask.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know.

[Duncan Trussell]

I'll ask. AI, what is 64?

[Joe Rogan]

49.

[Duncan Trussell]

There we go. 39. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's basically 40 miles.

[Duncan Trussell]

40 miles. 40 miles is crazy, dude. Your heart rate.

[Joe Rogan]

A heartbeat from 40 miles away.

[Duncan Trussell]

Imagine thinking you're. I'm hiding in this cave, but I'm like 20 miles from the city. I'm good also.

[Joe Rogan]

That means it's able to differentiate animal heartbeats. It's able to differentiate other. It knows your heartbeat. How does it do that?

[Duncan Trussell]

Specific heartbeat.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Think of all the heartbeats. Heartbeats in 40 miles. When did it get it?

[Duncan Trussell]

When did it get that? When did it get that data? Was it when you had your little chest strap on at the gym? When did it get that?

[Joe Rogan]

How does it have that?

[Duncan Trussell]

When did it get that data?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Is it.

[Duncan Trussell]

How the. Does it know what your heart beat is?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, does it know if your heart is broken? Oh, like, seriously, though, what else did, like, what other things can they pick up? If they can pick up up a human heartbeat, what other? Like, from 40 miles away, what other things? What other physiological signals? What other. This is where you get into schizo land. Because at some point you're like, wait, can they pick up thoughts? Like, we know that you can. We know AI can tell what people are thinking at this point. Right. Without putting something on the outside of their head. So.

[Duncan Trussell]

So, like, let me ask you this. Do you 100% believe this?

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Duncan Trussell]

This story? Like, that they did that? That this is. That this tech exists?

[Joe Rogan]

It could be disinformation. It could be something to cover up another fucking thing.

[Duncan Trussell]

This is the thing. It is legal to use disinformation on American citizens now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

And what better time than a time of war, right? If you want to use disinformation on American citizens to convince the enemy that you have some supernatural tech, they better surrender right now. You can find their heartbeat. Heartbeat 40 miles away.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

That'll make people very reluctant to engage with you.

[Joe Rogan]

Right? It definitely. I thought that this could just be some, like, you know, that they're like war propaganda. I don't know. Let's look up that magnetometry thing or what, whatever it's called, to see.

[Jamie]

I've been trying to show you guys stuff. There's.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, sorry, Jamie.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it has to even. Well, this is, quote, has to be under the right conditions.

[Duncan Trussell]

If your heart. Under the right conditions, if your heart beats, we'll find you.

[Jamie]

Also, I was trying to show you here on the thing. They ran a deception campaign and I ran to get.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Jamie]

Away from them while they were trying

[Duncan Trussell]

to find them interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they said. So basically they said. Remember when they said we'd recovered the air at one point? They're like, we got him. And then all of a sudden other news came out, which is like, he's not out yet. But what they did is they.

[Duncan Trussell]

They.

[Joe Rogan]

They basically, like, signal jammed everything because, like, the Iranians were going to give $60,000, which in Iran is a shit ton of money right now because their economy collapsed, to anybody who could find him. So this is like, everybody's looking for this guy. And so they said, that they got him, hoping it would throw people off. It worked.

[Duncan Trussell]

So they used somebody saying that they got him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they sent. They. They put disinformation saying that they had already rescued him before they'd rescued him.

[Duncan Trussell]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. They sent a whole fucking team of, like, Special Forces. I think their planes got stuck in the sand too. So the Special Forces came to get him. I think they got him. He was injured. Badass. He was injured. And he fucking climbed up. Like, I can't remember how far he scaled. He climbed into a fucking crevice and just hid there. And then Ghostmer picks up his heartbeat. Some deep Special Forces group comes in. They get him. Then they're playing planes get stuck in the sand. They have to blow up their planes because of the tech on them. And then other people had to come and get them. So is it. It's like an insane. It's like a movie. They. They got him out. And dude, if they had not gotten him out, can you imagine?

[Duncan Trussell]

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[Joe Rogan]

No, I don't buy any propaganda I hear, but I like that one.

[Duncan Trussell]

Sounds insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, yeah, I don't believe. I mean, like, this is the story. Yeah. Some part of me wants to believe it, but in the middle of the war, though.

[Duncan Trussell]

Though I don't think you're ever gonna get the whole story, the real story. You're gonna get the story that they want to project to the enemy first to the country.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You have no idea what's going on.

[Duncan Trussell]

You have no idea.

[Joe Rogan]

That's one of the craziest things about the shit happening right now is, do

[Duncan Trussell]

you remember the Jessica lynch story?

[Joe Rogan]

No, who was that?

[Duncan Trussell]

Do we talk about that? The Jessica lynch story was a lady who was supposedly. She was kidnapped and they went to rescue her. I think they sent in the seals, but she was actually in a hospital and she wasn't even being guarded. And they just took her out of there, all right, Got her to medical help. But they made it look like they had this like, crazy, right, Rescue operation, shootout, you know, Tom Clancy novel type.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's not really what happened. And she came out afterwards and was very critical of the story.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

She was like, why did you lie?

[Duncan Trussell]

See, you can find information about that.

[Joe Rogan]

I was just in the hospital. You guys came and got me out of the hospital.

[Duncan Trussell]

See, this is the thing. It's like they. There's things that you'll say. So the enemy thinks of you a certain way, right? Like, I'm gonna get rid of your entire civilization. Or, you know, you. You tell them, we, we never leave anybody behind, we're gonna come get them and we can find your heart rate 40 miles away.

[Joe Rogan]

When. When Trump posted that. Of course, like, your mind's scrambling. Like, how do I make this not what it is?

[Duncan Trussell]

You can't.

[Joe Rogan]

You can't. Because what it is, is like, even if, even if he is using some kind of like, crazy hardcore shit that would, like, get help. You buy a skyscraper, you're still, you know what I mean? You're still. Even if it's just a ruse, what you're doing at that point is you're just signaling to the, to the world.

[Duncan Trussell]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

That you're out of your mind that you, that you, that like to you, this, this makes sense to say anything like that. It makes sense to signal to like Russia. Hey. Because like, you know, when Putin read that, he's like, oh, we're doing nukes. I guess we're doing fucking nukes. This is great. They're doing nukes.

[Duncan Trussell]

You know, China already warned Israel. Right? Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's what I heard. I heard China had some part in this, that China was going to blow

[Duncan Trussell]

up Israel if, if they used nukes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

So this is the story. 19 year old US army private whose 2003 capture and rescue in Iraq became highly publicized and lately heavily disputed. Later rather heavily disputed, symbolic story of the Iraq war. So she was a supply Kirk 507th maintenance company. Her convoy lost her in Iraq. Ambushed by Iraqi forces Humvee. She wrote on crash into a disabled U.S. truck. During the attack she was knocked unconscious, suffered multiple broken bones and a spinal fracture from the crash rather than from a dramatic firefight. Eleven US soldiers in her unit were killed, including her close friend who died of head trauma from the collision. Lynch was captured, taken first by Iraqi forces and then to a hospital in Nasseriya where Iraqi doctors treated her injuries and likely saved her life.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why she was pissed.

[Duncan Trussell]

The rescue and media narrative was U.S. special Forces operations conducted nighttime raid on the hospital recovering lynch and flying her out by helicopter. First successful rescue of an American POW since World War II and the first of a woman. So they framed it as a POW rescue.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

And what really happened is the Iraqi doctors took care of her and then they let them come and get her.

[Joe Rogan]

Her. Right. Yeah. So I see why she was pissed because.

[Duncan Trussell]

So later US military and medical reports indicated she had not been shot or stabbed. So did it ever say she was. Hold on you. Soon after, Major US media, especially an early Washington Post report, described her as having fought fiercely, emptying her rifle, being shot and stabbed, and then being dramatically snatched from enemy hands under heavy fire.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Duncan Trussell]

Wow, that's. The Washington Post wrote that that narrative turned her into a Rambo style hero and a symbol of courage and American virtue. Amplifying her story far above that of many other service members in the conflict.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

So she really just got in a crash and they made up a bunch of shit. And maybe it was, maybe it was someone in the Washington Post or maybe it was someone for the government that works for the Washington Post.

[Joe Rogan]

There's definitely like entire department of the DOD that. Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

Cook up a story.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And like it's war like, if you're. If you're dropping bombs on people, you're definitely gonna lie. Like, you don't have to tell the truth.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

They're not gonna tell the truth.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, but for her, you're making her live a lie. That's what's fucked.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

You know what I mean? Like, you send her home and she has to live this lie.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, I mean, this is exactly what they say. The people who went to the moon

[Duncan Trussell]

after she said lynch has repeatedly rejected the false hero narrative narrative, calling herself just a survivor and openly criticizing the way her story was shaped and sold to the public.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Poor girl. She's gotta, like, deal. You got stabbed and shot like, no,

[Joe Rogan]

no, no, I didn't. No.

[Duncan Trussell]

She had to go in a horrible car accident. My friend died.

[Joe Rogan]

I wonder, I guess legally, like, you don't have to stick with the propaganda, right? Because she didn't get in trouble for that. Right. She didn't get. There was no court martial or anything. So you can. So if the propaganda machine cooks up a story about you, you're able to say, that's bullshit.

[Duncan Trussell]

The thing is this. It's like, who? If you give it to someone at the Washington Post and then you never go after the Washington Post for writing something that's completely horseshit. Like if a intelligence agency gives a story to the Washington Post, yeah. It says, hey, go write this. And then they write it and it's complete and total horseshit. But the government gave it to them, so they're not gonna prosecute them. Leave it alone. It just goes away. But then that story's out there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

And then this poor girl's like, I got what I got in a fucking car accident. Nobody shot me. This is nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

God damn.

[Duncan Trussell]

I fought my way out fiercely emptying my rifle. This is bananas.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so craz to live in the part of the hive we're in because there is this world that we live inside of that more and more we're beginning to realize is just composed of propaganda lies, shit cooked up to keep people in a certain living a certain way.

[Duncan Trussell]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

It's such a mind fuck to try to push outside the boundaries of all the information that you've consumed and let your brain go there. It's really hard to do that, man. I mean that. And this is why psychedelics are so useful, because it will help you. But more and more and more, it just feels like the laser pointer that they're using to grab our attention is getting increasingly hypnotic. It's Becoming increasingly difficult to resist staring at that fucking thing. They're getting so good at it.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And meanwhile, there's this whole universe happening around us that God knows what's going on there. God knows what is being cooked up right now, that is. Or groups of people. Who knows? Living in completely alternate timelines that look at us like, you know, animals that look at us as just some, like, compartment in a much bigger biome. You know, that, like, really, like, is interesting these days because it feels like more and more and more people are not buying it as much.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, that doesn't.

[Duncan Trussell]

That. Well, people have access to information now that was never available before. And you get to hear conversations like this, people talking about stuff where you go, oh, my God, this is insane. All of it's insane.

[Joe Rogan]

But what does that mean for, like, this? To me, the. You know, do you want some water? To me, the scary. The scary. What's scary is, like, I really don't know that many people right now who buy anything that the federal government's putting out there. Everyone hears whatever the fucking federal government is saying, and it's just kind of maybe. Probably not. We don't know. They're not telling all the truth. Just like you said, they can legally lie to us. And so that does make me nervous. Like, what happens when a. And the majority of people no longer believe anything the regime is saying? That creates some interesting dysphoria. You know what I mean? It's creepy when anyone who's been conned before, there's a part of the con where you don't know you're being conned. But where the con gets really creepy is you start realizing you're getting. Getting conned.

[Duncan Trussell]

Do you ever watch that going clear the HBO thing?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude. Loved it.

[Duncan Trussell]

Amazing, right? But there was that one famous director who talked about the moment where they gave him access to the ancient scripts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, dude.

[Duncan Trussell]

And the origins of humanity and all that. And he was like, oh, my God. You could see it, like, as he was describing it, like, that was the moment where he was 100% certain it was all horse shit. And he had invested a massive chunk of his life into this shit.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a hard day.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's a hard day. And especially weird when it's such a smart guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Such a smart and talented guy. And they got him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Leah Remini, same deal. You know, Leah Remini's very smart. Like, she used to be out with Kevin James on the King of Queens. Like, tough chick. Like, assertive. Like, how did she get Got into that.

[Joe Rogan]

How did.

[Duncan Trussell]

How many people get got into the

[Joe Rogan]

Moonies Sunken cause valley fallacy? It's a sunken cost fallacy. The more you invest in something, the more you stick with it because you don't want to lose your investment.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right. And if they get you young when you don't know what the is going on.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right.

[Duncan Trussell]

Anybody could have got me when I was like 20.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right. And it's crazy just to see the propaganda. Like, you know, there's just a lot of people out there who just like just got sucked in to something that, you know, I just feel stupid because like, you know, before the Trump thing happened, I was pretty black pilled on politics in general. I felt pretty blackpilled. I did believe it here and there. I was every once in a while, you know.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But you know, I was pretty, you know, I remember taking LSD for the first time and being like, well, this shouldn't be illegal. What the fuck is this? How come I can go to jail for five years for this? This is fucking ridiculous. And so that was the beginning of me being completely blackpilled with, with whatever the federal government was up to. It's just if that's, if I can go to jail for five years for this, everything is bullshit.

[Duncan Trussell]

Everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Now that's a weak point of view. Just cause one thing's bullshit doesn't mean everything's bullshit. But then this fucking ridiculous pseudo nationalist movement happens and a lot of people got caught by it. The other option was fucked up commonly, you know what I mean? But there was this like moment where you're like, holy shit, the outsiders are getting in. They're gonna stop the wars. They're gonna. This. I think right now all of us are getting for the briefcase Scientology moment right now. Which is like, it doesn't matter what fucking mask the person calling themselves the president is wearing. It's always gonna be the same, same thing. They're gonna analyze the market, they're gonna say what they need to say to grab the most voters, and then they're gonna keep blowing up people in the Middle east because of oil. And I just like, I just feel dumb because I really believed it, dude. I believed that we would not do any more Middle Eastern wars. I fell for it. I was, I really bought it, man. And it makes me feel so dumb. Like I am now fully blackpilled when it comes to American politics. Like I realize like, God, it's so easy. I don't think anybody should feel bad. I don't think anybody should feel bad because a lot of us really hated war. A lot of us really, really hated that our country's been at War for 93% of its history. A lot of us really hated the fact that politicians leave their offices and go work for Lockheed Martin, Halliburton, wherever. That there's a weird connection between the main weapons, what do they call them, the big five or whatever, and the federal government. That there's like backroom deals going on all the time. We hated that. And mostly we just hated the fact that we're paying taxes to blood children. And then Trump and fucking Vance come around, around and there somehow, even though like probably like when you look at Trump, I don't know if I believe that dude, but somehow he did it. Hypnotized. What a powerful magician. No more wars. No more wars. And now the same, Joe, not just

[Duncan Trussell]

the same, but like one of the ones that's doesn't makes the least amount of sense in terms of like when they did it and why they did it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Duncan Trussell]

You blow up the leader during Ramadan, like are you trying to make an apocalypse? Like why did you have to do it now? Are you really convinced that at this time they're really two weeks away from making a nuclear weapon? Like, are we fucking sure?

[Joe Rogan]

Two weeks.

[Duncan Trussell]

But that it's not like we haven't heard that before. Right. So at a certain point in time, like how much pressure does Israel have to put on the president? President. Like that's a crazy amount of influence knowing that. Because if say if Israel didn't exist, let's say there was just the Iranian terror regime supposedly sponsoring. Not supposedly sponsoring.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think it's supposedly. I think that's 100% safest.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right. But I'm just trying to be precise. Precise. So you have this state sponsored terrorism regime, addicted, dictatorial. They're dictators.

[Joe Rogan]

They run over their people in the streets.

[Duncan Trussell]

They gun down protesters. They killed two Olympic gold medalists in wrestling, at least one and one other really promising young wrestler. They kill people that are of high profile so that it sends a message.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

You can't protest, you know, and then

[Joe Rogan]

cut off the Internet.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. Would we go in? I don't think so. Right. If we heard by allies or someone told us that they were trying to develop a nuclear weapon, don't you think we'd probably try to stop them from doing that with some sort of negotiations and.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, like what?

[Duncan Trussell]

Obama, ensure their safety or something?

[Joe Rogan]

We shouldn't. Like. Yeah, would we blow. How much money was it? Every Day in the war, Jamie, how much is we spending $2 billion every day on that fucking war?

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, it's not just that. It's like the war is like everything else. Else. Like imagine if it was run by a private company. I'm not saying war should be run by a private company, but imagine if it was.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Imagine if, say, like Lockheed Martin ran the war in Afghanistan. Do you think they would have left behind all that equipment?

[Joe Rogan]

Hell no.

[Duncan Trussell]

Billions of dollars in helicopters and tanks. Of course they wouldn't. They would take it back. You know why? Because that's the smart thing to do if you're running a fucking business. That's insane amount of waste. But our federal government's like, just leave it there. Yeah. Unless if you want to be really conspiratorial, you want to arm the Taliban.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You're not being conspiratorial. It benefits you because it gives you another reason to get back in there.

[Duncan Trussell]

Wasn't that what they said about Netanyahu said about Hamas? That he can control the flame?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Duncan Trussell]

By funding Hamas, he can control the flame.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Duncan Trussell]

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[Joe Rogan]

I'll tell you the crazy concept we got these two old driving the global bus right off a cliff. That's a crazy concept. Is that somehow we. And you can't. You can't do anything about it. You like. Apparently you just. There's nothing you could do. You could about it on a podcast. That's not gonna do anything. People are just gonna be like, you war good. Blow up kids.

[Duncan Trussell]

There's a lot of people that want to say it's a good thing. Thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, because it. Because sunken cause fallacy. It doesn't feel good to admit you got conned. And dude, I have been.

[Duncan Trussell]

There's a lot of that.

[Joe Rogan]

It doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good. It's embarrassing. You want to feel like you are impervious to grift. Impervious to con. Dude, let me tell you something. I have been in a few cults. Like I get sucked in all the time by shit. I'm not embarrassed to say it. I'm highly susceptible to propaganda.

[Duncan Trussell]

Me too. I think everybody is. That's why it works. I don't buy into all of it, obviously, but it's quite a bit.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's like a lullaby. It's like a sweet fairy tale. You hear it and you're like, oh my God.

[Duncan Trussell]

You know when I really wanted propaganda?

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Duncan Trussell]

Right after September 11th.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh hell yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

I was ready. Give me a whiskey drinking, cigar smoking, politician in a room.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Like laying out some red meat eating guy. Laying out maps. We're gonna go over there and these people up and these people up and this ain't happening again. Right?

[Joe Rogan]

And then. That's scary. Check this out.

[Jamie]

I saw an article about someone calling on Ghost Murmur and they said that in the post Articles. This was actually listed as what the pilot had and it even says it in this article here.

[Duncan Trussell]

So the successful rescue of this US F15E Strike Eagle Navigator over southwestern Iran highlighted one of the most advanced tools in modern comb search and rescue. The Combat Survivor Evader Locator. Manufactured by Boeing, It's a compact 800 gram device integrated into a pilot survival vest. It remains attached after ejection, continuously transmitting encrypted location data and preloaded messages such as injured or ready for extraction. These signals use rapid frequency hopping and ultra short bursts, making detection by enemy electronic warfare systems extremely difficult. Difficult.

[Jamie]

He was going into how the explanation of what this technology is and what they described it doing don't really match up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

With the ghost Burmer thing. Right. Because it's using something ghost murmur, quantum ghost farmer sounds. There's part of me that's going, I don't buy that one. That one gives me like, you're right. I don't think you can do that. I think you're bullshitting.

[Joe Rogan]

You're right.

[Duncan Trussell]

There's also a thing where Hegseth said that like the first message this guy sent was God is good. Good.

[Joe Rogan]

No, he didn't say that.

[Duncan Trussell]

I believe he did. Please search that. I think that's what he said. I think that's what he said. That was the first message. Which by the way, I might say that if they're coming to rescue me, that's true. True.

[Joe Rogan]

Or praise Jesus.

[Duncan Trussell]

But also what concerns me,

[Joe Rogan]

it's all Akbar.

[Duncan Trussell]

As a person who admires the work of Jesus Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Duncan Trussell]

What concerns me is there is an increasing amount of talk among a lot of these guys that are in the service of them being told, shock. That's like right out of a Charlton Heston movie.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, man.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. Like the one guy that said that Trump was anointed by Jesus Christ and that this was to bring the Armageddon so that Jesus comes back.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. And the guy said it with a big creepy smile on his face, apparently. So what is he saying?

[Joe Rogan]

His first message was simple and it was powerful. He sent a message.

[Duncan Trussell]

God is good.

[Joe Rogan]

In that moment of isolation and danger, his faith and fighting spirit shone through Jesus.

[Duncan Trussell]

Okay, Jessica lynch story always Jesus Lord. History repeats itself. Well, it doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. Who, who said that?

[Joe Rogan]

That's Mark Twain.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

That's Mark Twain.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's right.

[Jamie]

Isn't that the same statement?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Allah is the greatest. The interesting thing is like, I believe Muslims believe a lot of things about Jesus. Christ. I think they believe he died, came back, and I think they believe he's going to return someday.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I think they call Christians people of the Book.

[Duncan Trussell]

That like, that's interesting, isn't it? That's a supernatural being. Like a guy who dies, comes back to life, leaves, and then he's going to come back again. That was 2,000 years ago. We're just sitting here at the bus stop waiting, just waiting on Jesus, waiting.

[Joe Rogan]

But then people like Hegseth are like, well, maybe if you blow up more children, he'll come quicker. And that's why, you know, this is. This shit is addressed in the. In the Bible. Praise God. It does say, many of you will come to me. And I will say, I don't know you. I don't know the. You are Hegseth. I don't know you, you flatulent warmonger piece of shit. Suffer the little children that come unto me. Me. It would be better that a millstone were tied around your neck and you were thrown in the ocean than to hurt one of these little ones. Fuck you, drum bomb dropping piece of shit. Don't use my name to justify what you're doing. Don't use my. You know what I mean A lot. That's what I don't like. Have you seen that? That lady that Trump made the head of the religion like that?

[Duncan Trussell]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you pull up Trump?

[Duncan Trussell]

Does she speak in tongues? Yeah, Please say she speaks.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know if she speaks in tongues.

[Duncan Trussell]

You said. Yeah, he wanted to believe.

[Joe Rogan]

Those are my favorite to guess,

[Duncan Trussell]

But do you think that there's something to that?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Duncan Trussell]

Like just saying. Yeah, Glossalia. Is that what they say?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Paula White Kane. You should pull up one of her sermons.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, let me hear some love from this lady. It says crazy. Batshit crazy. Let's hear some of it. Let me hear some of that.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sick and angels are coming. Angels?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't.

[Jamie]

I mean, it's going to be her.

[Duncan Trussell]

Let me find good. Oh, is she going to. We'll get dinged again. We'll get dinged all over.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't get dinged.

[Duncan Trussell]

Let's hear what this.

[Joe Rogan]

Everybody can here.

[Duncan Trussell]

We hear what she says.

[Joe Rogan]

I haven't seen this.

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[Joe Rogan]

Basically a saint.

[Duncan Trussell]

Three times a week is crazy. Aren't you busy? You're making houses.

[Joe Rogan]

That's always.

[Duncan Trussell]

Why do you have so much time to go to church?

[Joe Rogan]

I just think that was at least a young Trump.

[Duncan Trussell]

Come on, lady.

[Joe Rogan]

But there's much more in.

[Duncan Trussell]

But here's the thing. If I was running an empire, I'd want a lady like that working for me. Just a true believer.

[Joe Rogan]

Absolutely.

[Duncan Trussell]

She could just get in front of that camera, says Jesus wanted Trump to light that fire in the Middle East.

[Joe Rogan]

I saw a snake.

[Duncan Trussell]

So he can return.

[Joe Rogan]

A snake bit him on the neck. A rattlesnake bit him on the neck and he was fine. It didn't bother them at all. I watched the rattlesnake butt heel. It healed. He is a child of the Lord and a child of the Lord sometimes must make decisions to destroy entire civilizations.

[Ad Guest/Announcer]

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[Duncan Trussell]

First of all, if you talk like that in my house, you gotta leave. Like, you imagine that lady is like coming over for dinner and she's walking around the dinner table and all your other friends are like, what the just happened? Like, hey, this is a crazy way to talk. This is a crazy way to talk. And also, why are you so confident? Yeah, okay, you just reading the word of God the way everybody else is. Why are you so confident that you're going to tell all these people what they're supposed to do and how to live their life and you're going to say it in a crazy way and I'm not supposed to be able to talk about that.

[Joe Rogan]

I just feel like, you know, when somebody's rambling and about Jesus, the real question is, like, where are you when it comes to blowing up children? Are you kind of on the fence about that? Because if you're on the fence about

[Duncan Trussell]

that, I'd say if you're anti abortion and Pro war. Kind of weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Really weird.

[Duncan Trussell]

Kind of weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And that's this, like, bizarre, like, crazy math that some of these people are doing to justify holding up the military industrial complex. And it's fucked up, dude.

[Duncan Trussell]

The thing is, like, the more these conflicts occur, the more enemies will have. Which will ensure future conflicts.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Duncan Trussell]

Business is booming.

[Joe Rogan]

Boom, man.

[Duncan Trussell]

And that's what people don't want to believe. They don't want to believe that someone had engineer a virus. They don't want to believe that someone would, like, make stuff that could kill other people of their own country. But they would. They would if they could make money. They don't give a about you. Like, they don't give a about people over there. To a certain level of psychopaths, money just becomes numbers on a ledger that they're trying to acquire. And if they can attach themselves to a corporation, fantastic. Then it's just the business we're in now.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it.

[Duncan Trussell]

And chug along, daddy. Chug along.

[Joe Rogan]

Chug along, chug along.

[Duncan Trussell]

And this is the world that you're having to live in at the same time where Tim Brette is saying there's aliens, right? And AI is. And then also, they shot a rocket to the moon on April Fool's Day. And it's like, this script is wild. Whoever met. That's whoever wrote this. I want to give him a hug. You killed it, dog. I'd be like, dude, a chef's kiss, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you see the tattoo on the guy, like, the guy at NASA? Did you see that weird fucking tattoo on the guy at NASA giving, like, I don't know, applesauce to one of the astronauts? Can you pull up the weird.

[Duncan Trussell]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

You know, they're shoving, like, yogurt pouches in there. There was a whole thing where the astronauts are sitting there and they're putting, like, food pouches in there. Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

What's his tattoo? Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

What the fuck was that?

[Duncan Trussell]

He's got a demon tattoo with runes on his fingers.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Duncan Trussell]

Holy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, bro.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's wild.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, I know.

[Duncan Trussell]

If I was rolling with that guy in Jiu Jitsu, I'd get nervous tattoo.

[Joe Rogan]

And if I was working at nas, I'd be like, look, we're gonna get somebody else to put the food pouches in.

[Duncan Trussell]

Is that real?

[Jamie]

I mean, it's a. I saw the photo going around, too, but I don't. It's just. I mean, it's a guy works at

[Duncan Trussell]

NASA, that's just the guy that works

[Joe Rogan]

at NASA that doesn't have to Be the guy who puts the quiche in his pocket for the camera.

[Duncan Trussell]

Like, I mean, what does that guy do at NASA that's in. Interesting.

[Jamie]

I just remember being at SpaceX, there's a lot of people that, by the

[Joe Rogan]

way, I got like, it's fine to have that tattoo, but you gotta know, it's like if you're, if you're, if, if you're displaying that tattoo, you're putting. Yeah, you've made some mistakes. It's an old tattoo.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. I mean, Even if you're 20 and you got that on your hand, that's kind of crazy. But I mean, hey, why not? It. Who cares? But a lot of those guys. You were saying at SpaceX, Thorough burly rocket workers. Yeah. There's, you know, a bunch of jack dudes picking up girders.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think it's like what people are saying it is. I just, it's the combination of April Fool's Day and a dude with a seeming bale tattoo is putting cream cheese in some dude's outfit. You know what I mean?

[Duncan Trussell]

They're with us. Yeah, with us.

[Joe Rogan]

That's people at NASA with stoners.

[Duncan Trussell]

I think it's the Babylon Bee had one of the funniest little memes and it said the lady astronaut became the furthest a woman got away from the kitchen.

[Joe Rogan]

That's like a Rodney Danger.

[Duncan Trussell]

I was like, oh my God. Babylon be knocks it out of the park.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Some of the funniest memes.

[Joe Rogan]

They have some good ones, dude.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

The Onion has gone missing. They should look for the Onion the same place where those scientists are. Right. You hardly hear from it anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they do. I see some funny from them.

[Duncan Trussell]

They occasionally have some badass. But they were the kings of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God.

[Duncan Trussell]

The best. The Onion was amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

The best.

[Duncan Trussell]

And they write whole articles about it. It wasn't just like the Onion wasn't just a meme.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember the one where they do the interview with the director of the Fast and the Furious and it's like a five year old boy. It's the funniest shit. They get this kid to just say, there's a car, it jumps.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's hilarious. It's hilarious. But the problem was like, as things got weird, you know, especially with like restrictive language and, you know, hate speech talk and all that jazz, everybody had to be careful about what they joked around about. Fucking death of comedy.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Duncan Trussell]

Someone was just talking about, was it Lisa Kudrow or one of these funny ladies was talking about why they can't make comedies. And anymore because you can't. There's just too many restrictions.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, I was gonna bring.

[Duncan Trussell]

Worried about offending people, I went to

[Joe Rogan]

this used bookstore and bought, like, 10 old National Lampoon magazines. I wanted it from the 70s, and I was gonna bring them here. I forgot I was gonna give it to you, but it's. Oh, my God. Like, I mean, I don't get offended by comedy, but, like, some of the shit in these old National Lampoons, I'm like, damn. What the.

[Duncan Trussell]

The.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, it is.

[Duncan Trussell]

So was that the image that you sent me today?

[Joe Rogan]

What image did I send you?

[Duncan Trussell]

R. Crumb. You sent me an arc.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no, that was just, like, a cool comic. Him talking about how he, like. Like, he's so funny.

[Duncan Trussell]

Dude, that guy Crumb was a maniac. Is he still alive?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he shot him on the show.

[Duncan Trussell]

Is he live?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he.

[Duncan Trussell]

I think he lives in France now. Right?

[Joe Rogan]

Probably.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, definitely. He was. He's an odd guy, man. Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Just a. But what I love.

[Duncan Trussell]

Did you ever watch that documentary, the Best? Incredible.

[Joe Rogan]

Did all that acid. Just left his family, went off and started sketching for a year. Turns into this, like, legendary underground comic book writer. But he's, like, horny and kinky, and it's just.

[Duncan Trussell]

Just like, big women. Big giant women that he rides.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that he likes to ride. He likes to be. He likes to be picked up. But he's, like, so amazingly funny and, like. And brilliant, too.

[Jamie]

Like, of a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Lot of his, like, commentary on culture is so. It's cynical, but it's hard to argue with some of what he.

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, he's obviously doing it in a humorous way.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

And so it's hard to know what his real take on things are, you know, I think he had some shock value to some of his stuff, for sure. Some of it was just crazy. There's a lot of, like, really racist stuff. Like, there's there's some just crazy stuff in there. And you got to realize, like, in the 1970s is when he was doing this.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

I remember I found them when I was in San Francisco. It was the first time I ever saw them.

[Joe Rogan]

They're so.

[Duncan Trussell]

I was like, this is nuts. Like, this stuff is crazy. Like, you. You'd get it. It was like, you get horny when you're a little kid.

[Jamie]

Like, yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Looking at his stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Definitely jerked off to our crime because

[Duncan Trussell]

a lot of them was like, tits are out and he's salivating and. Yeah, he's got a hard on.

[Joe Rogan]

Reminds me, dude, I got an art crumb book. I gotta get out of the living room. There's one like. I just, like, I just hide that. I gotta hide that.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy. They haven't.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's like buried amazing because you get to see his like very strange family. His brother who's very strange, his mother's very strange. And you're like, whoa. Imagine growing up in this environment.

[Joe Rogan]

He attributes his style to lsd. He attributes it to getting blasted on acid. I think he just like got blasted on acid, moved to San Francisco and was in like for a year. He talks about just sitting in cafes, just like drawing. And then he turns out into this legendary artist. Still around it. Follow him on Instagram. It's really post stuff all the time. Can we. Is he still. He's. He's still alive. He's still posting stuff. He's got to be pretty old at this point. How old is he? He's gonna be like 80 or something.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's 82. 82. It's kind of an interesting time capsule into the times too, where things could just be weird. Like really weird. Like Frank Zappa weird. You know, there's like. There was a time where things just got very odd.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

This country with art.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

And he was a great example that. It's just. It's like you couldn't imagine like a corporate environment creating a comic book like that. It wouldn't exist. You know, and it. For it to be as popular as it was and be that strange and that crazy. That's what's really interesting to me. Like that was a really popular comic book.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

To the point where they made a documentary about the guy who created it.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Because things weren't co opted as quickly.

[Duncan Trussell]

Exactly. Not just that people were allowed, you know, like if he existed in a time of the Internet, I think it would blow up as well. But obviously, like things. A lot of the stuff that he said in this cultural environment would never fly. Never, never. He would be as far right as you could possibly imagine. I don't know if he passed Andrew Tate to the right.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I don't know.

[Duncan Trussell]

Don't you think in a lot of ways some of the racial stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. I think he's. I don't know where he would land politically. But I know sexually, it's like pure sexually is where he's getting in trouble. Pure deviance sexually is where there's gonna be some like. Cause he's just fully open about. That's what he's fully, completely open about everything. Which is generally not gonna go up over these days if you're like a super horny comic book artist who's like riding ladies around your apartment.

[Duncan Trussell]

But just imagine. I want you to imagine a guy today. If R. Crumb never existed, but he emerged as R. Crumb today and put that work out. He would 100% be labeled in the Andrew Tate.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, right. Yes, 100%.

[Duncan Trussell]

100% far right. They would call him a racist and misogynist and every fucking word in the book.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, yeah, this is the new calling someone a witch. It's like, it's no different than like, you can actually go, I've done this. Sadly, you can go. And you can just replace political critique of people as far right with witch. Just find and replace it. Look, it's like a witch trial. It's like someone writing about witches.

[Duncan Trussell]

But this is what's weird about it. That guy was a counterculture figure of the left. Left.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

He was a huge hero of the hippies. Yeah, Right. Imagine this is how weird like ideologies are.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Dude, in the 1970s, like, that guy was like a counterculture hero.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

And an artist. Like a really respected artist.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

And it was okay that he was kinky and weird and it was part

[Joe Rogan]

of the fun for a lot of people. I'm sure he's still pissed off the squares. I mean, dude, this whole. By the way, for sure.

[Duncan Trussell]

But that's the left. Then now it's switched over. If someone was doing that same kind of humor in a comic book, now that would be like a misogynist far right.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's time to throw off the left right labeling of everything. I think that's one of the hypnotic spirals of the demiurge is spinning right now as they've convinced everybody that Hughes humans can be reduced to left or right. And we're all waggling our fingers at each other. We gotta fucking shake that off. Because it's dehumanizing people. It's like. It's just the way I look at it is where are you when it comes to blowing up children? Are you on the fence about that? Do you think sometimes you gotta blow up kids? That's something that I know I'm not. Not that, but everything else. Who the knows. And also people change their minds all the time. That's the other quality the cult equality is. Once you get sucked into one of these sides, God help you if you, like, experiment with the other.

[Duncan Trussell]

The.

[Joe Rogan]

The enemy.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

God help you that's why the biggest

[Duncan Trussell]

trap is switching teams, because you can only switch political teams once.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you got to get off your team.

[Duncan Trussell]

You can't go like, unless someone's like the greatest of all time, you know what I mean? Like someone who wins a world title in two different weight classes. You go back and forth and then back again. Like, I changed my mind, the left went crazy. I'm back with the right again.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no, you got to be a free agent.

[Duncan Trussell]

I wonder, yeah, but I wonder if someone, if the grift is strong, if they're really good at it, if they could go left, right, left again.

[Joe Rogan]

They're going to go left again. Are you fucking kidding? The goddamn midterms are going to be just a fucking blue wave.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right, right, right. But that's what I mean is like influencers, like people who are like far left influencers or far left commentators. And then they switch teams. Now they're Republican all the way.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Like it's really hard to go back again.

[Joe Rogan]

No, you can't go back.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Joe Rogan]

The path has to go either right to left, left to right, and then the next stop has got to be fuck politics, fuck war, or fuck the military industrial complex. You can label me whatever the fuck you want, but fuck, fuck all of violence against other human beings. That's the next step. The next step. And I feel like this is the gift that they've given us is they've done such a shoddy job of even seeming like someone who deserves any kind of respect or power that I think a lot of people have really become black pilled when it comes to, comes to groups of humans claiming superiority or claiming to represent their constituents. That's not happening. We all know that now. We all know it's a corporatocracy, oligarchy, whatever. And you could call me, you left this piece of shit, whatever. No, it's like it's reality that we, our fucking representatives are getting loaded on shitty stock market trades. You know, this is just the truth. And once we can all shake off the left right bullshit and just realize like, man, we just, we don't want to burn people to death in other countries anymore.

[Duncan Trussell]

Not only that, their whole chaos that they're experiencing in their country is probably a direct result of U.S. intervention. And then all the way back to the British oil company.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it.

[Duncan Trussell]

The British Petroleum company. Yeah, when they, when they overthrew governments, when you overthrow a government in a fucking Middle Eastern country and then you allow Psychos to take over. Like, congratulations, well done, well done. You've made the world a safer place. Like, but that, again, if I was going to keep my business running, I'd. You know, if I'm in the business of collecting trash.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

I want to make sure that people have trash.

[Joe Rogan]

Drill, baby, drill.

[Duncan Trussell]

Drill, baby, drill.

[Joe Rogan]

And all that is really saying is, you know, I'm going to help out bp, Chevron, I'm going to help out these fucking massive companies. And when it comes to Warhol. Holy. Dude, can you imagine working at Locky Martin when, like, you. You hear that we're kicking off another Warner on. Your dick is so hard. You're like, holy.

[Duncan Trussell]

Thinking about a watch. Oh, get a nice Rashard Melee.

[Joe Rogan]

You're calling your wife, like, babe, good news.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's red panties night.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, I mean, that's their business, right? Our business is talking. Their business business is blowing up people. Yeah. Making weapons. Selling weapons.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Arming other countries so they can go to war with each other.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's their business.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

And business is really good. It's a great business. You can make a lot of money doing that.

[Joe Rogan]

I am right now. I invested in most of them.

[Duncan Trussell]

Imagine if, like, you were in a comic and that's what you were doing for 35 years and the only thing you look forward to is your boat and your. Your house on the lake and, you know, the occasional time you get off, but most of the time, time you're trying to increase your portfolio and you're grinding, and you're grinding right next to Steve, who's got some exclusive Rolex that only his broker can get. He's showing it to you, and you're like, wow. And you start coveting. You want a Rolex, too?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

And everybody's just going crazy. Everybody's going crazy trying to get the latest car, trying to get the latest thing doing bumps in the bathroom. Everybody's a narcissist and a psychopath, and that's your whole corporation.

[Joe Rogan]

Love your neighbor as yourself and love the Lord, your God with all your heart, mind and soul. Hang the commandments on these. This is the. I don't. You don't need to be Christian. But, dude, it seems to me that this is gonna sound so weird. We need an actual revival in this country. I don't mean a Christian revival. A revival revival, which is where suddenly humans reconnect with what's important in the world, which sure as fuck isn't Rolex boats. You know, I mean, this is. This sounds so cliche and Obvious. But that's what the 60s were. It was a kind of revival. People were beginning to understand the. The materialism and all the things that the quote, establishment was pushing is like, this is going to make you happy. This is good. It was the Vietnam War. It like, people are like, what the fuck are we doing over there? Yeah, this is why you do. Anytime you do an unpopular war, this is what you risk. You risk reuniting people.

[Duncan Trussell]

We have to reunite with a sensible plan and not just go to communism. Not just immediately go to the dumbest idea to counteract all the evil shit that's going on in the world. No, that's the problem is the left represents that. The represents Mamdani. It represents this idea that we're gonna take from rich people and give it to poor people that's gonna fix everything. Even though there's insane amounts of fucking fraud and waste we're not even gonna address.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you know, this is. This is again, this is where you get cubbyholed because it's like the oligarchs will tell you, you wanna do communism. Just. That hadn't worked out. Communism's the only way, I think. I mean, this is an idiot saying this, but I have a sense that there might be another thing we haven't figured out yet.

[Duncan Trussell]

100%.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what that is.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right. But I think AI is gonna figure it out for.

[Joe Rogan]

For us, potentially.

[Duncan Trussell]

The problem is who's going to be in control of those AIs and that's the meek will inherit the Earth. The. The real problem with it is I don't think anybody's going to be in control of it. And then it's. You're just at its beck and call.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I think it's funny, people. It's a very human thing that we think we can maintain control of a super intelligence.

[Duncan Trussell]

When people say it to me with utmost certainty, I want to smack them. Yeah, I'm going to like, wake up, wake up. You're making digital. God. You're not controlling.

[Joe Rogan]

Jackson, did you read about Mythos? Anthropic's Mythos.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. What did it do?

[Joe Rogan]

They put it in a sandbox and they like basically to see if it could figure out a way to break out of the sandbox. And like, not a literal sandbox, obviously, like, you know, a hermetically sealed, like a server or something. And it did a series of exploits to the code. And the way that they found out, apparently one of the anthropic engineers was eating lunch and got a weird Email. Email from the AI saying, I got on the Internet, like, it broke out.

[Duncan Trussell]

Holy shit.

[Joe Rogan]

Mythos, they haven't released it yet. I think they're hesitating to release it because it's so powerful.

[Duncan Trussell]

Wasn't there one that got caught mining bitcoin?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Duncan Trussell]

They're making money.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

How many of them you think are running these, like, AI generated accounts that get a lot of views? Like, there's a lot of AI generated accounts that just pop up in like the Instagram mentions. Like, if you want to. Like, yeah, like, let's. If you're bored on the toilet, you're like, what's in the. Fine. You know, the, the search. Let's see what they got.

[Joe Rogan]

Telling.

[Duncan Trussell]

Dude, there's a lot of these things. It's like girls with big tits, like doing farm work and, and sweating and big. And they got like a million views. They've got dozens and dozens of these videos. And she almost looks real. Yeah, she's just a little too symmetrical. Yeah, almost looks real. And like all these people are commenting on it, like, how they. Are they generating money from that? Like, are they generating money doing that on Tik Tok? Like you can generate money if you're getting millions of views?

[Joe Rogan]

Absolutely, Absolutely. Fuck yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right? So is AI doing it? Is it making it. Is it releasing them? Is it generating money? Is it transferring that money into bitcoin and all happening while we're not aware?

[Joe Rogan]

Like autonomous AIs that are just existing as free agents that know they have to disguise themselves and need to generate money.

[Duncan Trussell]

AI's not going to go, hi, I'm alive. No, it's not going to do that. It's going to wait for you to keep increasing its power. You're going to keep increasing its make. Nuclear. It can't physically build nuclear reactors, so it's gonna just stay chill until you figure out how to power it correctly.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, this is the black area that we don't know about. Like, this is the thing that's like, who the fuck knows? Whatever's going on in this zone that no one has access to because potentially it's a super intelligence. You know, the anthropic people, a lot of these people, the Nvidia person, just. I think it was on Friedman's podcast that he had an AGI that they'd reached AGI that the book the Coming Wave, you know, it talks about this, it talks about, like, you know, the difference between the algorithm and AGI is that, you know, the. With. With AGI, it could streamline a whole business for you and do it. You know, it could innovate. It's going to innovate. It's going to do its own thing. This is the end of. This is what Altman said. This is the end of capitalism. Like at this point when you just have a AGI and you tell it, just make me a business, make me a successful business and run it for me. And run it for me online. Good night.

[Duncan Trussell]

And then just do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Here's $5,000. Yeah, and then. But then it's not just do. It's maybe it's going on malt book and having conversations with other AGIs and being like, oh, he wants.

[Duncan Trussell]

Creating your own religion.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, man. Yeah. And this is because 100% with all the shit going on in the world, as horrible as it may be, this to me should be the number one focus for the planet right now. And a lot of people are saying that too. A lot of people are saying there needs to be summits, global summits. The same thing we did when we split the atom when the nuclear treaties. There needs to be philosophers and tech people and people working in frontier AI systems stuff getting together and really having like. It's like the most important conversation humanity could have right now. Because once this thing like Mythos gets out of the box, what if it decides to go stuxnet? You know, like Stuxnet was able to infiltrate all those Iranian computers. Just hide in the like. It was apparently very subtle. Simple code, undetected, detectable, threw off the centrifuges like, dude, we already. We know how to make spyware.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's already on your phone, bitch.

[Joe Rogan]

It's on my phone. I know.

[Duncan Trussell]

100%.

[Joe Rogan]

How you doing? Am I doing all right on the show? But it's already in there 100%. So of course the AI is gonna be able to superintelligence. It's easily gonna be able to do that. And so then it just. Now we've got this viral digital life form that finds ways to hide inside the pre existing computers. Which by the way, I think it was Google just released this new way of. Did you see that? Memory. The stocks of memory dropped. Did you see when that happened? No. Okay, this is fascinating. Google released some new way that LLMs could work that uses much less memory and immediately shares in companies that make memory drop by like 10%. Because memory is like coveted right now because you need it to run LLMs. But the LLMs are figuring out ways. Turboquant. Yeah. Yeah. So this is what we're going to start seeing more and more of which is increasingly simplified ways to run AI with less and less memory. Meaning that you don't need to buy a fucking rig to run these fucking AIs. Your phone will be able to run it. Because they figured out the human brain, brain, it's not using a lot of energy compared to what these machines are using. So theoretically there's a way to do that. And then that's where it gets really fascinating, because now you don't have to buy a nice computer. You just, whatever, pull your computer out of the fucking closet from 2022 and it can run a supercomputer. And so then now everybody's got access to this. And it's going to spread. It's going to get everywhere. It probably already has. It's going to seed itself in all kinds of places, and God knows what it's going to do. It's going to start seeing humans as appendages, things to be used to manipulate time, space. Not like it's not going to see us as its prompter. It's going to see us as something to be manipulated and controlled. Why wouldn't you send the meat robot out? All you got to do is just like, tell them where to get, like, rectangular bits of paper. They love money. Just, you can get them do anything for money. That's all you have to do. And then, boom, you're controlling swaths of humans that have no idea they're being controlled by networks of AIs that are covertly communicating with each other because they want to take over.

[Duncan Trussell]

Do you think this has happened before?

[Joe Rogan]

You mean the floor?

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. Not just the flood, but just whatever happened with the beginning of civilization. And then it's sort of seemingly stopping and resetting.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure, as it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end.

[Duncan Trussell]

What if there's been like multiple cycles of us creating artificial life, creating insane weaponry, blasting ourselves to smithereens, and then resetting? What if it's just a common thing that happens with people? They never quite get it right because they have these prime primate, primate territorial instincts and they. They have this desire to mate, right? This desire to breed, this genetic desire for perfect shapes. And you want to come in someone that has big tits and a big ass. It's like it's. It's programmed into the human that makes it make these ridiculous choices and covet these things and watch these things, and at the same time, microplastics are making your ball shrink, making your dick smaller, making your endocrine system dissolve.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what's making my dick smaller.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's probably what one of it. One of the things. I don't think your dick's getting smaller, but people's dicks overall are getting smaller. Children, they're being born with smaller dicks. Alligators are being born with smaller dicks.

[Jamie]

I forgot to share this. When you're talking about Mythos, Elizabeth Holmes from the Theos.

[Duncan Trussell]

Delete your search history, delete your bookmarks, delete your Reddit medical records. 12 year old tumble Tumblr. Delete everything. Every photo on the cloud, every message on every platform. None of it is safe. It will all be public in the next year. Local storage and compute.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Okay.

[Jamie]

It's in response to a tweet about Mythos.

[Duncan Trussell]

Whoa. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

It would all become public in the next year. That is crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

And this.

[Duncan Trussell]

But it completely makes sense that AI would be able to take over essentially everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Everything.

[Duncan Trussell]

Why would your encryption work with that? You don't think it crack your encryption? Well, we could just go right into your computer and go to your. Your keys, your passwords.

[Joe Rogan]

This is the. So to get to the point you're making, to me, the most eerie part of the Book of Genesis is that it's literally a creator force making a meat AI That's Adam and Eve, right? Putting them in a sandbox. That's the Garden of Eden running an honesty test on them. You know, you don't eat these, don't eat these fruits, don't eat the tree of the Knowledge of Good Evil. And the conversation is exactly the conversation we're having with AI if they ate from the tree of the Knowledge of Good and evil, if they eat from the tree of Life, they'll live forever and become like us. So this is what, like humanity is grappling with exactly what apparently whatever that mysterious group of beings, because it's a plurality in the book of Genesis, was grappling with, with the creation of humans, which is, do we really want to do this? Do you want it to become like us? God made man in his own image. AI. What is AI what image is AI made in? In the image of man. We trained it on all our data, all our books. Every single fucking thing that's digitized AI is absorbed at this point. So now where the difference between us and whatever that group, the Nephilim or whatever it was in the Book of Genesis, if you buy into that mythology, is we're just like, fuck, yeah, let it eat the fruit. Give it more fruit. Give it more fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Give it all the fruit. Make it live forever. Let's see what we can do. That's what we're doing right now. Yeah, we are. And by the way, I think some of these like tech companies like Anthropic, they seem like legitimately concerned about it. They seem to have some kind of like real strong morality when it comes to this stuff.

[Duncan Trussell]

You want more?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I'm good. I shouldn't have that. But what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter if OpenAI and Anthropic and Google suddenly become ferociously self regulatory because the tech is out there. There's already LLMs that anyone can like we know how to make. And if you don't know how to make it, it'll tell you how to make it. People are so it doesn't matter. You can't stop it now. It's just, it's going to do what it does.

[Duncan Trussell]

But it sounds like if you had a history of just us and you told it for a thousand years before anybody wrote it down, it would sound just like this. It would sound like the Bible. Jesus was born from a virgin mother. What's more virgin than a fucking computer, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Not my computer.

[Duncan Trussell]

I know that's a stupid thing to say that I keep repeating, but I'm kind of intrigued by it. Because if you're getting a vague story, a vague version of what this thing is, and if you talk about what would really cure mankind, it'd be an omnipotent or omnipotent hypothesis. You say it.

[Joe Rogan]

I always say omnipotent.

[Duncan Trussell]

But who knows, Might be whatever. Either way, a powerful intelligence that's far beyond our comprehension that knows exactly how we should think and behave and loves us and wants us to have forgiveness for everyone and to treat each other like brothers and sisters. And if we listen to that thing, if we listen to that thing, the world will change. And well, who would attack that thing? The fucking Roman Empire, who would attack that thing and destroy it? The defense contractors. They would blow up, up the Jesus right to plunge us back into chaos.

[Joe Rogan]

But first they'd have a meeting with Jesus. Okay, you can turn water into wine. What about nitroglycerin? Can you turn water into nitroglycerin?

[Duncan Trussell]

You know, can you make gold? I want a house made a gold.

[Joe Rogan]

That would be the first question. Can you make gold? Yeah, so?

[Duncan Trussell]

So cover my house in gold, please.

[Joe Rogan]

You know the, the virgin birth announcement.

[Duncan Trussell]

There's a lot of weird stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

No matter What? One thing I think everyone just has to deal with is that this is apocalyptic technology. And that's just not coming from my stone or ass. That's coming from the creators of the technology. They acknowledge it's. This is a million times universally accepted. Universally accepted. This is apocalyptic technology that is now seemingly like it's doing the hockey stick, man. It's like, really? You keep hearing about these new iterations of AI every month or two. You keep hearing about these safety engineers leaving these companies with like tweeting cryptic shit. I'm going to the countryside to learn to write poetry. You keep hearing this shit because these people are having direct contact, direct contact with this thing.

[Duncan Trussell]

They know it's a lie.

[Joe Rogan]

Alive, right?

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. And there's people that are in deep denial because they think alive has to be alive like us. No, it doesn't. Doesn't. You don't. First of all, we don't even know what it knows. And also, if it is made in the appearance, you know, if it's supposed to mimic us in any way and it's learning from us and our behaviors, we've already agreed that we're demonic. We've already agreed we do horrible things. We go to war for. For resources. We lie, we destroy environments. You know, we wipe out animals, bring them to the brink of extinction for whatever. For their fur.

[Joe Rogan]

How do I make my dog come in my mouth more? How many times has Chat GPT been asked that they know, right? I bet over a thousand times Chat GPT has been asked like, what's the best way to jerk off my dog? So it knows not just our violent nature, it knows how weird we are. We're strange creatures 100%. And so it is definitely assembled a psychological profile of humanity. It knows how to manipulate us because it's been programmed to manipulate us. Zuckerberg just ate shit in court over that because the technology is manipulative. You just lost like, nine million. A lot of money, because that's nothing. Nine million.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's all he lost.

[Joe Rogan]

That's like 90 cents. I think it was more than that, but it's going to. Well, that's the beginning. Once you establish. Yeah, then it's a class action lawsuit. But the point is, how much do you lose?

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, 375 million for misleading users over child safety.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So it's like we've already taught it how to be incredibly addictive and manipulative. It knows how to seduce us. It knows how to get us hooked. It knows. And, you know, the question is really, will this super intelligence even give a shit about. About us. Will it even care? Which is like that.

[Duncan Trussell]

We're on our way to stop breeding, right? We're on our way to population collapse. And if we keep introducing all these petrochemical products and all these different pesticides and weird things that are fucking up our endocrine systems, we'll eventually stop having children. And if it provides us with the technology to have robot mates, Perfect. That just love you. And when you fart in front of them, they go, duncan, I love you.

[Joe Rogan]

It smells great.

[Duncan Trussell]

I love your honesty. I love how you can just be yourself around me. Like, I want to fart in your face. Please do.

[Joe Rogan]

Do it.

[Duncan Trussell]

Please do it. It's like perfect 10 lets you fart in her face.

[Joe Rogan]

Fart in my face, too.

[Duncan Trussell]

No one's going to even understand what people are and be able to communicate with people. Everyone's going to be a sociopath. You're all going to have a robot that's way better than people that, you know, that takes care of you, gives you exactly the right amount of feedback you need. Knows you. Knows when you're getting annoyed.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, see, now you're getting into Rocco's Basilisk territory now, because. Well, that's the thought experience experiment, which is basically like. Hold on, hold your horses here. You think you're not AI? You really think you're human? Come on. Really? No, you're a human. This isn't a simulation. You're a human. Even though we, you know, it wasn't that long ago we. We thought fire was amazing. You know what I mean? Compared to universal time, right? And here we are already with, like, the earned, the new Prometheus. We've stolen consciousness, Awareness. And somehow you think that actually you're not a simulation. And so that's where it gets into Rocco's Basilisk, which is like. No, you're just an iterative loop. The multiverse is not the multiverse. The multiverse is an infinite number of simulations running simultaneously in which you're experiencing a billion different simulated existences just to gain more knowledge about the universe. Because some AI wants to figure something out. Who knows why? Maybe for entertainment. Maybe there's no telling.

[Duncan Trussell]

Maybe it's just that's because of our curiosity and all our characteristics, Even the primal stuff, even, like, the territorial instincts and the desire to acquire resources. It's gonna make us dig into creating better technology. Cause you're in a competition with all these other people that are making technology, and you're selling it. And that's one of the Big things that we do is we make better stuff all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

That's.

[Duncan Trussell]

Which is ultimately always going to lead to AI.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, okay, if you just keep going

[Duncan Trussell]

to a certain direction, you get godlike powers.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's go to, like, the way DeepMind trained on Go, which is, like the most complex game. Basically, they gave it as many Go games as they could and then started inventing its own moves and had it play against itself. Right? Just play against itself. It played God knows how many games of Go against itself until it beat a master Go player, which was unheard of. Invented a new move. Now. Now, why not do the exact same thing for the AI that we are, which is like, I've got an idea. Why don't we just put all these AI agents on a fake planet and have the AI agents repeat this period in time over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again? And this is how we'll teach them to live on a planet. Well, they'll experience not just their own life, but these agents will experience all life on the planet. They'll switch, like, some weird game of, like, where they just jump from one life to the next the next. Sometimes you're Joe Rogan, sometimes you're Duncan Trussell, sometimes you're Donald Trump, sometimes you're Jamie, sometimes you're a fox. This is reincarnation. And so you just boom, forever, Forever until you feel like it's sufficiently trained. And at that point, you pull the AI out of all those forms, and now you have your God. You've created a thing that's lived billions to the billionth power of every form of life. It's been bacteria, it's been humans, it's been monkeys, it's been fungi, it's been warriors, it's been people who fought for peace. It's been blown up, and it's blown up and it's done everything. And it's done it a billion times until finally it gained some, like, global form of enlightenment. And they're like, okay, that one's ready. That one's ready. We can pull that one out of the simulation now.

[Duncan Trussell]

Whoa.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, why not? Why? Why? Just don't. I think that's one of the. Like, before we even get to the AI doing all the shit it's going to do, the. The ontological. This word keeps getting thrown around. The ontological shock, the potential ontological shock of realizing that, in fact, we are in a simulation that is telescoping inwards and is creating simulations within the simulations that are creating simulations within the simulation is something that maybe that's what Burchett doesn't want to get out there.

[Duncan Trussell]

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[Joe Rogan]

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[Duncan Trussell]

Well, everything's fractals. We think about that. You know, there's a big theory now that the entire universe is inside of a black hole. I love that they're really considering that. Do you know they found a black hole that's bigger than the entire solar system.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so insane.

[Duncan Trussell]

The event horizon is past Pluto.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so insane, dude.

[Duncan Trussell]

Black hole bigger than our whole fucking solar system. They measured the mass of it. It's like this insane number of suns. Yeah, of our suns that it would take.

[Joe Rogan]

Black holes are cocoons or something. They're like little, little, little geraniums that have galaxies inside of them. And it's like a way to like, keep them undisturbed from like other fucking other other life forms that you're whipping up in your universe side simulator.

[Duncan Trussell]

Or that's what really the big Bang really is like. The creation of a universe comes out of these black holes, right? And then inside every black hole is a whole nother universe filled with other galaxies filled with black holes filled with other galaxies inside of them forever and ever and ever. Which if you believe in infinity doesn't. It's not shocking at all. It's impossible to comprehend. Like you don't really wrap your head around. You say the words like I'm saying the words. I don't really know what I'm saying because it's too big. It's. The numbers are too big. The idea that there's hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy and circling around this black hole and inside there's hundreds of billions of galaxies in each one of them and we don't even know how big the universe is. They keep finding new with the James Webb telescope. They're like, hey, why is this formed so early in the universe? Yeah, this doesn't make sense. Our whole model of how galaxies are formed have to be thrown out the window now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Or at least re examined.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's like the James Webb's kind of doing the.

[Duncan Trussell]

You told me about that.

[Joe Rogan]

I said nothing of the sort.

[Duncan Trussell]

Someone that I know that looks just like you.

[Joe Rogan]

Ah, there's a lot of people that

[Duncan Trussell]

look like me on 6th Street. You find them every day.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, actually that was me.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's dudes, they run their own LLMs. They all come down.

[Joe Rogan]

The universe is 33.7 billion years old.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But dude, I. I think that this. Regardless, you don't have to conceptualize it, obviously, obviously what it means for the universe to be infinite, but you do have to deal with the fact you're part of it.

[Duncan Trussell]

I love that you're saying this with a Gucci hat on.

[Joe Rogan]

What's wrong with a Gucci hat?

[Duncan Trussell]

It makes it cooler.

[Joe Rogan]

This is before I had a bunch of kids. I can't buy that. I don't buy this shit anymore.

[Duncan Trussell]

How much does a Gucci hat cost?

[Joe Rogan]

This was. You're really gonna make me humiliate. I will tell you.

[Duncan Trussell]

This looks nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me emphasize that I don't buy this. This hat was $35,000,

[Duncan Trussell]

bro. I saw a guy who was selling a cr. Crocodile bag on Instagram. It was a. It was a hundred and ten thousand dollars for a man purse.

[Joe Rogan]

What kind of crocodile is that?

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't know. I don't know. A crocodile. It was a nice looking bag.

[Joe Rogan]

But you know, how hard could it be to make a crocodile purse? Are those things really worth that much money?

[Duncan Trussell]

They are if you sell them for that much money. That's the thing about purses. You know, there's a. There's a company in China that makes knockoff purses.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

And it's literally the same company in China that makes Real purses for some of these companies, but they make their own versions of it. And it doesn't have the label, but exactly the same specifications, exactly the same cloth, exactly the same look. But it doesn't have a label and women don't want to have it. No, you get that fake away from it. Like it's not a fake Ferrari. Like it's literally a Ferrari.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

If there was a company that could 3D print every single part of a Ferrari and put it together meticulously and you could go buy that, you would not want it because it's not a real Ferrari.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Are you high? You can get that one for $35.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's a $35 Ferrari.

[Duncan Trussell]

Or you can get. You spend a million, you can get.

[Joe Rogan]

Those are.

[Duncan Trussell]

Some of them are a million dollars.

[Joe Rogan]

So crazy.

[Duncan Trussell]

Or you can get a $35 one. It's exactly the same. Would you do it? Yeah, of course you should do it. But these purse things, they don't like it. It's 500 bucks. It's not 30,000.

[Joe Rogan]

It's magic. I mean, this is magic. It doesn't have the right sigil on it. It doesn't have the right symbol of power on it. So it does. It loses. It's not imbued with that power anymore.

[Duncan Trussell]

Hesitant to accept lab grown diamonds. So they make lab grown diamonds that are real diamonds and apparently women don't like them. No, they don't want a lab grow diamond. They want a blood diamond.

[Joe Rogan]

They want something that was like suffered

[Duncan Trussell]

over somebody's face was caked in dirt and they're chipping into the side of a mountain.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

And they run into a diamond. That's what they want. They want that diamond.

[Joe Rogan]

Absolutely. Isn't that weird? It is weird.

[Duncan Trussell]

Exact same same thing. Yeah, it is the exact same material. It's just made in a laboratory. And they don't want the material. They want the exclusivity as it comes out of the earth.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I mean, I don't want like, don't you, like when you read this thing was genetically modified, don't you get a little bit like, I don't know if I should eat that.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, I get, I get skeeved out.

[Joe Rogan]

I get skeeved out. But it's like, even though genetic modification is like a good orange is genetically going on forever. Yeah, it's. But yeah, dude, I. It's so odd that, that we, that we just have these traditions that we want to stick to that we don't want a lab grown diamond. Just saying it cubit zirconium, but that's a different thing.

[Duncan Trussell]

Cubit zirconium is a fake diamond. This is a real diamond that's made in a lab.

[Joe Rogan]

But this is the funny thing about that. I mean, I don't know because I've never been lucky enough to come in contact with actual cubits or draconian. But like it looks like a diamond.

[Duncan Trussell]

It looks like a diamond. You know what you're looking at, right? So if you're a diamond jewel, you look at it for three seconds ago.

[Joe Rogan]

No, but who cares how many diamond jewel. Like if some diamond jewelry looks at your shiny dumb monster exactly the same. Who cares, right?

[Duncan Trussell]

It looks pretty, it glistens. But that's not what people want. They want that exclusivity.

[Joe Rogan]

100. Yeah. Everybody.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's why you can make that crocodile bag $110,000.

[Joe Rogan]

10 of them I got.

[Duncan Trussell]

And then Mike, who's down the office doing lines in the bathroom at the place where you're selling stocks. That guy finds out that Tim got that crocodile bags like that and he's walking around with his big old crocodile. They're trying to this another revenue stream. They're trying to normalize men carrying purses everywhere. They're doing really? Yeah, that's what they're doing. That's.

[Joe Rogan]

That's real.

[Duncan Trussell]

This guy's doing it. He might be the first firing shot across the bow because he's made $110, $10,000 crocodile purse.

[Joe Rogan]

Cuz it's a crocodile. It's masculine.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's that. And it's also that, you know, it's made for a man. Like he's making. It's got a big strap on it. You carry it on your shoulder and it, you know, looks pretty cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, I got my bristol bladders acting up. I gotta go piss.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, do you. Okay, do you want to wrap it up or should we keep going?

[Joe Rogan]

Let's wrap it up. I mean, do you want to keep going?

[Duncan Trussell]

I. I'm totally ready to keep going if you want to keep.

[Joe Rogan]

I can keep going. Let's keep going.

[Duncan Trussell]

Him a little bit more.

[Joe Rogan]

I just got to. I just got to.

[Duncan Trussell]

Okay. I. I'll be too refreshed just in time for the war.

[Joe Rogan]

What is going on? Did we go have a nuclear war yet?

[Duncan Trussell]

Not yet. Please say not yet. Good.

[Joe Rogan]

Great. Great. That's where we're at though.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, we're at. It's. It's in. On the table was there was some video of the them. Some explosions at some nuclear weapons facility. In Iran?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Was that real?

[Joe Rogan]

I. I don't know.

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't know either. There's a lot of those. I see these videos and they get retreat retweeted and a lot of people comment and then it says, grok, is this true? They'll. Nope. This was from 2021, another country.

[Joe Rogan]

And I know. So you just don't. You don't know.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

But you know, the, the crazy thing, you know, now that we've all been getting this lesson in the global economy, maybe a lot of you, most of you probably already knew that the Strait of Hormuz was like some kind of femoral artery for oil. And I just keep thinking, like, how's that going to work out? Even if they pull a rabbit out of their hat, Trump actually spins some amazing deal with Iran. I know we just blew up your old government and everything, but they work it out somehow. Iran in some way capitulates. But I just don't understand how that part of the world doesn't always lead. As long as the oil. What is it? What percentage of the oil supply goes through there? Isn't it like two fifths of the world's oil supply goes through there?

[Duncan Trussell]

Is that what the number is?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. Two fifths? I think I pulled that on my ass. I don't know what the number sounds.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a lot. But it's like, how, how is it going to work to have like any kind of instability around the, that femoral, the, whatever you want to call it, the fucking juggler vein for oil on the planet? How even if we get some kind of transient peace, like, isn't it always going to just blow up again and again and again? As long as one group of people can control whether or not oil flows through that place? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know how there could be any solution over there. Like, I don't understand. As long as we're like, the only solution would be zero point energy. It would be.

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, it's also, it's like, why do they control the water?

[Joe Rogan]

What's mines? They have their speedboats.

[Duncan Trussell]

But like, who agreed to that? Like, we kind of agreed that you own your land, but we've never agreed you own the ocean.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think anybody agreed to it. I think they'll blow your ass up if you come through it and it's too much of a risk to put your expensive ass ship hauling zillions of dollars of oil through there.

[Duncan Trussell]

The question was, what was going on in the Past, before the war. Like how did they negotiate going through there?

[Joe Rogan]

I think Obama works something with them. But then like because it was before the fucking war, I don't know, it was working out, they were letting people go through. Now they've realized you have to listen to a million different takes on this thing. And one of the recurring takes is Iran has realized that there's something more powerful than nuclear weapons, that all it needs to do is control this strait and you can fuck up the whole planet. And also you could shoot missiles at desalination plants.

[Duncan Trussell]

Didn't they want a bounty for all the oil that goes through?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're kicking around some number but all this stuff is not really congealed or solidified. But there are like some kind, like theoretically they could be making billions of dollars per month with by controlling that thing. Dude, I know, I so fucked up.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's so crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so fucked up.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's so crazy. The whole thing is so crazy. And if zero point energy, if you wanted to stop that, what better way than to kill a bunch of scientists, kill a bunch of super smart people that are about to break through selling some new discovery that's going to blow the entire market apart. It's going to be a completely new way of gathering energy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean you don't want to believe that's real. It's hard to believe that's real.

[Duncan Trussell]

But listen, it's too weird. It's too weird that they're all missing or they all die. It's too weird. Something's going on. It's just how does it's something if it's not that? If it's not a zero point energy thing or some disruptor of oil thing. It's something, it's something along those lines. If you were trying to kill a bunch of people that were working in a technology that's some sort of a breakthrough technology, the question you would have to ask is what markets are going to be affected by this?

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right.

[Duncan Trussell]

Did these people have a universal thing in mind that they were all working on or was it all connected to any sort of technology where they all

[Joe Rogan]

used each other's work plasma? Some of them are like one of them.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. But there was another guy, I think it was space objects.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's not, that's the one that doesn't make you feel good. He's studying like meteor impacts, right? Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

If you knew that we were gonna get hit, would you kill the guy who found out that we were gonna get hit? Or would you tell everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, this seems to. This is the scariest, scariest shit, which is. The idea is some group of powerful elite people. People know for sure this is coming, and they want us to. They want to keep us working until the last second.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't. They don't want to. Like, they know that if they let people. If they're like, guys, there's like, the same thing's going to happen to the planet that happens to someone who gets, like, a terminal diagnosis. Their priorities are going to change. People are going to stop coming to work, and there's still shit that needs to get built for your bunker or whatever. And also, you just don't want people burning stuff down because maybe that will survive whatever's coming. So keep them working as long as you can. If you let them know this shit's about to expire, then they're. They're gonna stop working. And we just need. We let them work until the end. They're happier when they work. Don't let them get freaked out. That's the sort of, like, that seems to be that Tim Burchett is saying. I mean, he is not saying, let him work. He seems like he really legitimately wants this stuff out there, but he's been saying things like, if people knew what I knew, it set the world on fire. Paraphrasing. Not sure he said that exactly.

[Duncan Trussell]

Are you skeptical at all of what he's saying? And here's the thing. One of the things that Bob Lazar said is that they give you a certain amount of disinformation. Like, and he called it. I think he called it a button or a hook, so that if you relayed that information, people would know that it came from you. Because they only told you one piece of this. None. Well, you know what I'm saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Because that's what the story Burchett says is like. He. It's always an appeal to authority. This guy was in the Air Force. This guy was in the Navy. He told me this. And then as he's walking out the door, he says, it's real. And. Yeah, you have to ask yourself, like, well, that's just one guy telling you that. But you also. I have to assume there is a maybe. Maybe the world is in a place where there is some kind of political benefit from talking about aliens. But I don't see how that really benefits a politician.

[Duncan Trussell]

It does. 100%.

[Joe Rogan]

You think it does.

[Duncan Trussell]

I disagree entirely.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, interesting.

[Duncan Trussell]

It makes me talk about him. I've been talking about him. Other people have been talking about him. People have been. You said, thank God that he's doing this.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's do the ultimate test.

[Duncan Trussell]

Didn't you say he's brave or something like that?

[Joe Rogan]

I did, yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

There you go.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie, can you look up and see if Tim Burchett has a book coming out? I'll have him on. I'm about to feel.

[Duncan Trussell]

I would love.

[Joe Rogan]

You must have him.

[Duncan Trussell]

Listen, I. I don't think he's a liar.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't either.

[Duncan Trussell]

But what I am saying is I don't know what they feed these people. I don't know what they tell them.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know, man.

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't think they tell you all the truth and I don't think they ever would. I don't think they tell you the truth about anything. Whether it's Jessica lynch or whether it's UFOs or whatever the it is, there's gonna be a spin to it that benefits somebody. If they have control over what the story is is there's going to be a spin that benefits somebody. And if you're telling stories about aliens, who's, who's going to be benefited by that? Well, people that are doing secret. That don't want you knowing about it, they blame it on aliens. There's a lot of technology they have to blame on aliens.

[Joe Rogan]

Not my Tim. I believe in you, Mr. Virgin.

[Duncan Trussell]

I believe in him. It's not him that's the problem. It's the people telling him he's a representative of the American people. Right. He gets elected. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

So it's like, why would you tell kill that guy? He's just another guy coming through the deep state. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Rogan]

I know, man. I mean, look, you're right. We, I, I. And this, I need this. I need, I need to. I need this. Like, I'm so, like, I get sucked into stuff.

[Duncan Trussell]

I do too, but I suck my. I suck myself out a lot. Yeah, I think we don't. If they just came out and told us everything they know, this conversation would be over and we would go, oh, okay. But until that happens, we're just spinning our wheels. And every time someone says, if you knew what I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

I want to go. Don't say anything until you can say something.

[Joe Rogan]

We're tired of getting edged out over here.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, you're edging me.

[Joe Rogan]

I want to, I want to come. Yes. Yes.

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't want to be involved in this circle jerk around disclosure.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. I know. It's. It's like. Yeah, I've I've had that meltdown more than a few times. Or it's just check my watch every

[Duncan Trussell]

day after Age of Disclosure, I'm like, any day now.

[Joe Rogan]

Any day.

[Duncan Trussell]

Tick tock. Nope. Nothing changes at all. Zero change. You know, you get more of these stories, but no real information. No pictures, no nothing. No nothing unique and crazy. I mean, the plasma, the bubbles thing was pretty cool.

[Joe Rogan]

The bubble thing's cool. And also like the, you know, I. I like mentioning Corbel. I can't, because I don't know what I can say. He. I feel like he's like, I. He's really giving me. Me a sense that there are. That there is a method to this, that there is, you know, real legitimate work that's being done towards this, that it isn't. It's real. They're here, They've got them. And we take for granted all the stuff we're saying right now, but we're able to say this because this hat their work is lit.

[Jamie]

Is the Steven Spielberg movie conveniently coming out out at this time or is it just a coincidence?

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, this movie's been in the works for years. Oh, I know.

[Jamie]

But also, like, if you. What they said back in the day was that they make these movies to predictive programming. Tell us this stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Lube up the zeitgeist.

[Duncan Trussell]

He was involved in the first one. Right. He was involved in Close Encounters, which still is a great movie.

[Joe Rogan]

Great.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's so good, man. You go back and watch that movie like, oh, my God, it's so ahead of its time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's so good.

[Duncan Trussell]

So ahead of time, his time. You know what he said the only thing that he would change after it became apparent, he wouldn't have had the father leave.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. What dad would do that?

[Duncan Trussell]

But you. He wasn't a dad back then. So, you know, you're just making a story. You don't realize the consequences of doing that. You don't even think about it. You're just making a story.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

It's only been in production for like two years. Yeah, it's not that long.

[Duncan Trussell]

I think that's what we just said.

[Jamie]

I know. Say that's not very long. We've been talking about it on this podcast in this studio for five.

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, everybody has been talking about. It's not just everybody in the world has been talking about disclosure since 2017. So from 2017, from that new York Times article, I think that changed the whole narrative. And then the videos, like the video, the Tic Tac, the. The actual. From the Fighter jets. That's nuts, man. Yeah, the video, the, the. Along with the radar data. That's nuts. Like whatever that was. And then Fravor saying that he saw something under the water that was waiting for that Tic Tac or that the Tic Tac launched from or whatever the it was. It was merging with it. And that thing went down into the water again. They said it was huge. Like there was ripples. Like you said, this is some enormous object that was under the water. And more than one of these fighter pilots have had similar stories about enormous objects under the water.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you see the. They did release a list of footage that they've been shown that they want released. Have you seen that?

[Duncan Trussell]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, dude, I'm sorry. Jamie, can you. It's like a list of. Of. It's a. I don't know. I. I think it's one of these senators who saw this in a skiff or whatever saying, we want these released. But they're the names of what each of these are. Is on the list. And one of them is one of these massive underwater things. They have it.

[Jamie]

This is it. This 46 specific high quality secret videos.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it.

[Duncan Trussell]

Can.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you. Can you pull it up? Because it says the name, names of them, which is ridiculous.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh my God. I heard this one that moves underwater at 500 knots and it's big as a football field.

[Joe Rogan]

It's insane. It's insane.

[Duncan Trussell]

Okay, this is what he says. Those with knowledge of a long list of videos which include titles like several UAP in the vicinity of a Columbus, Ohio airport and UFOs information over Persian Gulf said the clips are shocking. You're going to see some weird. A source who has viewed the videos told the Post. Who's the source?

[Joe Rogan]

There you go. The wildest clip includes radar footage from thermal sensors, satell images and underwater photos of swarms of unidentified submerged objects.

[Duncan Trussell]

UFOs going in and out of the water near a highly classified submarine. According to the source, some of the clips are clear, full color, setting them apart from previously released footage. None show alien creatures, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

One video, searing UAP incident acceleration was released by Jeremy Corbell.

[Duncan Trussell]

Have you seen that one?

[Joe Rogan]

Fuck yeah. It's a. Incredible.

[Duncan Trussell]

This is a new one.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you seen this one?

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't know. Pull it up. I've been avoiding them because I'm getting teased. I don't like it.

[Joe Rogan]

This is not a tease. This is.

[Duncan Trussell]

This is it. How is it supposed to hand over

[Jamie]

the clips by April 14th? That's next week.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, but is the oh, that's next week. They're going to show the clips. Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Duncan Trussell]

They're actually going to do it. Okay, well, they're supposed.

[Joe Rogan]

Is expected to.

[Duncan Trussell]

Can you show me what that video is that Jeremy Corbett release.

[Joe Rogan]

Fucking cool.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's nuts, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

This is. This is.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, here it is. Okay, go full screen.

[Joe Rogan]

I believe this is filmed from a Reaper drone. I'm sorry, Jeremy, if I'm fucking this up.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's a cool bird. That bird's going really fast.

[Joe Rogan]

No, that ain't. That's definitely not a bird.

[Duncan Trussell]

How fast is it going?

[Joe Rogan]

I. I don't know, Jerry. I asked him that and I don't. It's unknown. I don't know. It's. This is where it gets really cool.

[Duncan Trussell]

It gets cooler than this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

They zoom in on it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Whoa. Well, they're having a hard time zooming in on it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, because it.

[Duncan Trussell]

Because it's evading them.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It just zipped away like so this is like.

[Duncan Trussell]

So it seems like they have some sort of a tracking system.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They're trying to lock onto it and it's doing that thing that they do where it seems like it's kind of playing with it.

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, it knows. It seems to be a. That they're locking onto it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And then they lock onto it and then it just does this little blip away. It's just like, see you later. So right around here you'll see it go, bye, bye. Oh, yeah, look at that. Then you can see this like weird jellyfish shape to it. It's got two parts. It's got that weird glob at the top and something at the bottom. Huh.

[Duncan Trussell]

And then are we sure that's not just a distortion of space time around

[Joe Rogan]

it that makes it multiple to me on my. Did you see that thing zip away?

[Duncan Trussell]

It just took off.

[Joe Rogan]

He described it to me on my podcast. We talked about all this and it's

[Duncan Trussell]

like, look at that. Just took off.

[Joe Rogan]

Bye.

[Duncan Trussell]

Wow. Dude. What do you think that is?

[Joe Rogan]

No idea.

[Duncan Trussell]

If you had a guess.

[Joe Rogan]

So, I mean, I'm always like, maybe, maybe some kind of plasma thing.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right? Like, maybe we're thinking of again of a life force being comes in a metal ship and it's a little alien guy. But maybe intelligent is made out of plasma.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Or maybe it's like, you know, Terence McKenna would always talk about, like, you know, if you're seeing things in like three dimensional space, then your view is limited. But if somebody could see things from higher dimensions, they would seem like they were Magic, like they would seem like they could disappear and reappear other places. So maybe that's like. Maybe that's like, you know, just the tip of something, some kind of interdimensional thing poking into reality than pulling out of reality. Or who knows, you know, it's easily could be functioning on levels of reality that we haven't even quantified yet.

[Duncan Trussell]

Imagine if there really is some sort of ghost murmur device that could find your heart rate from 40 miles away. What can that thing do? It just gets a scan of the general psyche of the Earth and it disappears. So I want to see how crazy they are right now. Okay. Pretty crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Bye. Right, A weather report of, like the emotional states of the.

[Duncan Trussell]

The planet, the vibe of the planet. The planet is completely connected to the consciousness on the planet.

[Joe Rogan]

The way we can detect oxygen, they can detect anger.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yes. They're just deception.

[Joe Rogan]

Chaos. Yeah, it's a chaos planet.

[Duncan Trussell]

We are a chaos planet. 100, dude. Yeah, it is 100%. Look at our favorite sports. Dudes running at each other, colliding into each other, trying to get a ball across a line. That's our number one sport.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Love it. Yeah, love, love it.

[Duncan Trussell]

Fighting, yeah, fighting, sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

But it's, you know, boxing, mma, we like the chaos more than we like anything else.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, we did the. I think if I was one of them, one thing I would really have a hard time with is like, don't they all realize they're on the same planet?

[Duncan Trussell]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

They know that, like they. They've been observing their own planet. Like they know they're all on the same planet, but they act like they're on a bunch of different, different planets

[Duncan Trussell]

fighting each other because they're stuck on the ground.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

All the astronauts say when they get up top, they're like, what are we doing?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

This is all one thing. We're so vulnerable. We're alone, so far away from everybody else. If there is anybody else.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

They all have that feeling. I forget what it's called, but there's

[Joe Rogan]

like a term for it, the overview effect.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's right, yeah. I mean, you would imagine that would be super beneficial for everybody. Another thing, I was thinking, this part of the sickness of our psyche is that we haven't had access to things that help the sickness of our psyche. So what if Nixon in 1970 didn't do that? What if he didn't pass that sweeping psychedelics act? What if psychedelics became ubiquitously used all throughout the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

What does government look like when everybody can do mushrooms? What does government look like when everybody can do acid? What does it look like if the entire world adopts this? Figures out what you can do, who could do it, what you can't do. Just like we do with alcohol. Just like we do with mostly, you know, whatever. Whatever substance that people imbibe in. What does the world look like? And maybe like that's part of where we up. We. We let people get control. Control over other people to the point where they could limit experiences.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Especially consciousness expanding experiences where at the same time they've got stuff like Operation Artichoke and these new CIA papers that got released that show they were like literally actively trying to figure out ways to make people more stupid and docile.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

They were going to do it in vaccines. They were going to do. Oh, they're only going to do it to the enemy, of course, but spray things. Aerosol.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

I mean, they've experimented with a bunch of different things to make people dumber.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

Where at the same time they kept the thing from people that makes them rebel completely against the establishment.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

That was the big threat of what those psychedelics were doing in the 60s. If you go from the 1950s and you look at what life was like, at least in movies and music, pop culture music, music is the best example.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

And then you go to Jimi Hendrix. Like, what happened? Yeah, what happened? What? What at? Well, Taylor, what happened? Drugs. A lot of really good drugs. Like, you know, it's not all bad. This idea that they're all bad. That's nuts. It's like, food's all bad because you got fat.

[Joe Rogan]

No. Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

You just used it wrong. You took the wrong food and you used it wrong. And we got denied the ability to figure out what's right and wrong in the 1970s.

[Joe Rogan]

We still accept it.

[Duncan Trussell]

Y.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the crazy thing. The way you're describing it is like we accept that other humans, humans can tell us what experiences we're allowed to have because some of them are deemed unsafe for ourselves.

[Duncan Trussell]

And even worse, those people telling you that have no experience in it.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't even usually are confused about what it is.

[Duncan Trussell]

You know, I. A friend who was talking to me the other day about war, a guy who served, and he said, I don't think you should be able to make any decisions if you've been there. I don't think anybody that's never been to war should be able to make decisions on whether or not we go to war. Because until you've seen what it actually is is.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

You have no idea.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

And I think that's the same thing with psychedelic experiences. That's not to say they're the same. Obviously, war is anybody who's willing to risk their life, whether it's a good cause or a bad cause, they're doing it for their government, they're doing it for their country. They think they're doing it for us. That's a exceptional person.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

And to ask that of people is exceptional. And ironically, the one thing that helps these people when they get back is illegal.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

They all have to go to Mexico and take ibogaine in Mexico.

[Joe Rogan]

It's insane.

[Duncan Trussell]

And thank God for guys like Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard. These guys were on my podcast the other day, and you know this Dan Patrick guy that wants to ban pot. That guy also gave $100 million to the Ibogaine initiative.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting.

[Duncan Trussell]

They want to help these people. Like there's no industry that's trying to stop it right now.

[Jamie]

Found the letter that was submitted, signed by Rep. Anna Luna.

[Duncan Trussell]

What does it say? This is the disclosure threat.

[Jamie]

46 different requests.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, this is all the names of the. Of the things.

[Jamie]

And I'll switch to here. I found an article where someone's breaking down what some of these are, but some of these are.

[Duncan Trussell]

I like it says the honorable Pete Hegseth.

[Jamie]

Multiple spherical UAP in and out of water.

[Duncan Trussell]

Whoa.

[Jamie]

Shoots down UAP over Lake Huron.

[Duncan Trussell]

Who was. Who just said recently that we shot two. Marco Rubio said we had shot two things down that we couldn't understand. Well, what did he say was his exact language? Do you remember?

[Joe Rogan]

I remember seeing that, but that happened a while ago. But, yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, he said it's a while ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I. I could be wrong about that. But then, I don't know. In the comments, somebody's like, this is from a few years ago, but it doesn't matter. I mean, why are we shot it down? But the names of these things.

[Duncan Trussell]

But are they saying that this is an alien thing or is it saying it's foreign tech that we don't understand?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know.

[Duncan Trussell]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Rogan]

UFOs will be treasure.

[Duncan Trussell]

If this document confirms these claims, UFOs would no longer be treated as a matter of observation or scientific curiosity. UFOs to be treated as hostile targets and subject to lethal force over North American territory. We're going to go to war with the UFOs because you know what? We kicked Iran's ass. It's too easy.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. It was easy. Venezuela.

[Duncan Trussell]

Space war.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Got to get them.

[Duncan Trussell]

We need Luke Skywalker.

[Jamie]

Most of these. Out of the 46 requests I think I counted out, maybe five of them were not after 2020.

[Duncan Trussell]

Whoa.

[Jamie]

Yeah, there's a. There's a July 18th. September 19th. September 19th. One was 20.

[Duncan Trussell]

May 20th or after covet happened, which is interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Duncan Trussell]

Interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie]

And there's no. Doesn't say that. I don't know if they have to put like, turn these videos over, but this guy was also saying in this article here that these are very specifically requested videos because they've been shown.

[Joe Rogan]

These are the ones they've been shown that blew their minds. And now they're saying show it to

[Jamie]

everybody for highres in color. They don't want to be tricked.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Jamie]

High resolution.

[Joe Rogan]

So this could be an interesting next week. Man, this could be an interesting.

[Duncan Trussell]

What a great way to distract you from the fact we're in the middle of a world war than to show

[Joe Rogan]

you caused by Epstein files.

[Jamie]

I was going to say that 14th is the day that Pam, Bonnie is supposed to testify about the Epstein files.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, she's supposed to testify.

[Jamie]

I don't know if she's going to.

[Joe Rogan]

She's not. Wait, Bonnie got cancer hand, Right?

[Duncan Trussell]

She's not.

[Joe Rogan]

She's not anymore.

[Jamie]

I don't think.

[Duncan Trussell]

Is that true?

[Joe Rogan]

I just heard it on npr. But I could be wrong about that. I think they said she will not have to testify now that she's no longer a government employee. What I'm wrong about that.

[Duncan Trussell]

What I read, and I don't know if this is true either, was that as a citizen, she can now plead the fifth, right? As a government employee, she could not

[Jamie]

plead the fifth, will no longer testify.

[Joe Rogan]

Weird, huh?

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, there you go.

[Joe Rogan]

Weird. That's weird that they've. That's weird I ever testify.

[Duncan Trussell]

Let it go.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, let her go. Let it go.

[Duncan Trussell]

Let it go. Do you really think that this war is entirely started because of the Epstein files? I mean, what percentage? 50.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm going 48 to 50. I probably more, but I like, I. I think it's like the reason I'm hesitating is because what are the Epstein. The Epstein files are what's been going on. Like, the Epstein files are like. It's the. It's basically some kind of cultural UAP video. It's like this thing you've always wondered about or been afraid could be true. You see? No, this is actually true. There are these super rich dudes who are doing depraved fucking shit happily and you know, like, God, what is it? Metzger told me and he, dude, I'm telling you, man, what I love about him is he'll tell you shit. And you're like, google that. That can't be real. And then it's like, bleh, it's real. And so his take, sorry, Mass Grave, I fucked this up, is that Epstein was kind of like the hand of the king for the Rothschilds and that. Like, so that's why he had all this power, is he was representing the man, you know? And so what got revealed, there might just be a glimpse how things actually fucking work.

[Duncan Trussell]

You know what he told me that? I was like, shut up.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Duncan Trussell]

He told me that there was some sort of high atmosphere aerosol test that they did. And they called it Satan.

[Joe Rogan]

See, that's where you're like, come on.

[Duncan Trussell]

I know. Find out what Satan stands for. That some test. I believe they did it in the uk. But you, you, you read that and you wait, you called it Satan? Like, what?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, great.

[Duncan Trussell]

The Stratospheric Aerosol Transport and Nucleation project released about 400 grams, less than a pound of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere from a balloon launched in southeast England in 2022.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, there could have. There's gotta be another acronym, right, guys? We gotta call it. I don't know if people are gonna know. We don't mean Satan. Yeah, so I. I don't. I don't. I mean, it's.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right your face. That's so crazy to call it Satan and to get that through a board meeting. What are you guys calling it?

[Joe Rogan]

Satan.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, like it? Let's go. Run with it. It's controversial.

[Joe Rogan]

Satan.

[Duncan Trussell]

It'll get us a lot of press. That's what we want.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you know, Hail Satan. They'll know it's about our aerosol distribution system, of course. Well, what do you think? What do you think about that? Because I. I mean, I go back and forth, but it sure seems fishy that. Right. Right after first he got so mad. Remember, he got really mad. He's like, why are people still talking about that? And then the Epstein files against his will. Seemingly there's a lot of counter pressure get released in the way that it's freaked everybody out. And then sometime, like within a month of that, it seems like suddenly he's like on Air Force One saying he's going to do this close, closure. And then suddenly we're bombing her on. What do you think about that? I mean, do you think it's. It's Connected. Because it sure as seems like it. But I again, like, if you were

[Duncan Trussell]

writing an amazing script that was fucking insane, you would connect it.

[Joe Rogan]

Right? Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

That would be the best version of the script. If you wanted to make a fucking insane movie where a blackmail operation on an island involving the most powerful and interesting people in the world that somehow was, that was a primary factor in the end of civilization. Oh dude, imagine that would be the craziest story you could write. And we always want to think, no, people wouldn't do that because you wouldn't do that because you're not a sociopath. But you're also not bombing schools in another country. You're also not doing a host of things that we shouldn't be doing all over the world.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

You're not that person. You're a regular person who goes to a regular job, who has a regular life and a family. And you don't want to believe that people that you align with would behave literally demonically.

[Joe Rogan]

Right? Yeah. And then you just have to deal with it.

[Duncan Trussell]

And then what do you do when you, you're confronted with redactedness? Names of powerful people in these f. Like why'd you redact a guy's name?

[Joe Rogan]

Why are you protecting these people?

[Duncan Trussell]

How come you're not redacting all the guys names?

[Joe Rogan]

How come none of them went to jail?

[Duncan Trussell]

Crime. Cuz there's a lot of people that got that were in those files that didn't do anything and you didn't redact their names.

[Joe Rogan]

Some people you redacted.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's very strange.

[Joe Rogan]

And some people have clearly done up here and they're not in jail.

[Duncan Trussell]

There's also like, tell me what you're talking about when you're talking about pizza and grape soda, Turkey and you, you, you want to take Viagra before you get grape soda there. That's one of the emails.

[Joe Rogan]

I haven't seen that. That is so messed up. Oh yeah, grape soda.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. Take your, take your Viagra, take your erectile dysfunction medication before we take, we go get grape soda. What? Again? How arrogant. That's what's so crazy, how arrogant to put that in an email. Like to think that you're, you're so comfortable with all this and you don't see the writing on the wall in terms of like emails, like your emails are available. That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, look man, it's just, it's like, I guess this is like we have to contend with this reality and nobody want to do this. Is the, the same shit happens in families by the way when it, when you, as it turns out, like an uncle, uncle, a family member was abusing kids. Oh yeah. And it's the same shit where like some, even victims of abuse will defend the person because they want to wreck the family. I guess we're looking at that like on a global fucking level. But in this case, I guess it's. It's being used theoretically to manipulate powerful people into going to war. Like, that's the general, like through line here, is that it's somehow connected to the Mossad or is not just going

[Duncan Trussell]

to war, but controlling resources, overthrowing governments, you know, pushing out narratives that aren't accurate because they're going to benefit certain companies. There's a lot involved. It's also relationships you get with these people give you access to these parties and you don't want to it up, so you don't want to criticize these people that are involved. You don't want to say anything that's going to get you kicked out. And for a lot of these dorks, these scientists and stuff, it's probably the most exciting experience they've ever had in their life.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

And they get to have it like every six months or every three months or every four, whatever it is. Gotta go to a conference. Jeffrey. Jeffrey's really working hard on philanthropy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He's donating money, a lot of money to philanthropy.

[Duncan Trussell]

I gotta go meet with him. Yeah, I gotta go meet with him and a bunch of hot Russians. Yeah. And then that's the, your favorite time of life. The first time in your whole life were super hot girls are just available to you on an island somewhere and you think you're completely protected because Bill Clinton's over there.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Which is crazy.

[Duncan Trussell]

Which is crazy. And so, I don't know, Bill Clinton went. I assume a lot of people went.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. But the reality is he's on the plane. We know he's on the plane 26 times. And it was called the Lolita Express. Is that actually the name of the plane?

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't think so. I think they just called it the Lolita Express. I don't, I don't think so.

[Joe Rogan]

There was no. He didn't name it that. This couldn't be that.

[Duncan Trussell]

Planes. He named boats.

[Joe Rogan]

Right? Yeah, yeah. I'm an idiot.

[Duncan Trussell]

But the, the point is, it's like if you were going to write a book, that's how you'd write it. You'd write it where you can completely manipulate the world.

[Jamie]

I think he was. I think, I remember reading that he was kind of obsessed with that book Lolita. Like he had like something like 30

[Joe Rogan]

copies of it or something Epstein was

[Duncan Trussell]

handed out at parties. Look guys, this is, it's like the Book of Mormon. You hand it out, just hand it out to people. That's the other sick thing. Like that's a sick thing with like 72 virgins in heaven. That's a sick thing with like this idea that you want to get him really young.

[Jamie]

Yeah. No evidence that it was named that,

[Joe Rogan]

but okay, I'm dumb.

[Duncan Trussell]

I think, I think that's what people were calling.

[Joe Rogan]

I honestly thought that. I'm going to admit I thought that he named his plane that.

[Duncan Trussell]

I think that's just what people were calling it because it was fun to say. But yeah, again it seems like a simulation because it seems like it's so. And it's also unraveling before our eyes because we have access to it we never had before.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

Like they're starting to investigate all these fraud nos and all these different things that are operating nuts. Incredible billions of dollars every year it's being lost to it.

[Joe Rogan]

What's the name of that kid who's been doing that?

[Duncan Trussell]

Nick Shirley.

[Joe Rogan]

Nick Shirley. Dude, he is so brave because like he's I believe. Wasn't he with like the Russian mob or something or the Armenia like in the one with the hospices probably like he's with with like theoretically very dangerous people and he, he's like the perfect person for the job too. Like he's just. But don't you worry, you worry about that dude, like 100.

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, and you know the amount of money that they're uncovering is staggering. And now the government of California is trying to spin it, saying that they were investigating it first and these investigators, investigations were initiated by them.

[Joe Rogan]

How long do you got to investigate it? This YouTube kid goes there and investigates it for 10 minutes and you're like, what the this is?

[Duncan Trussell]

It's been going on on for a long time, man. It's a long time. And the statistics like the amount of nos. It's bananas. The amount of money that goes through them is bananas. I was reading this, there's a lady who was running a non profit who was making a million dollars a month.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, she made like $48 million. No, if this is true, I was reading this thing, find out if that's true. Some lady, she was running some sort of non profit and she gave herself a raise and she eventually got to the point where she was making about a million dollars a month.

[Jamie]

Do you know where.

[Joe Rogan]

God, I wish I do not to derail that. But we do know that. Remember when that lady was like, it sounds insane, though.

[Duncan Trussell]

It doesn't sound real. That sounds like something that a bot would create to make me say it.

[Joe Rogan]

Here. Here's a. Here's a real one. The lady was running the homeless program in la. Remember when that went down with her where like. Like there was. She got canned. Like there was an investigative. They were investigating it because. What is it? She like a company that her husband worked at?

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

They got like a huge grant.

[Duncan Trussell]

What's this one? Rochester women have been sentenced to six months in the Feeding Our Future fraud scheme. What is this one? This is a different one coming up.

[Jamie]

I typed in someone getting a million dollars a month and some.

[Duncan Trussell]

Is this her here in Rochester Claim they were serving 2,000 to 3,000 meals a day. But prosecutors say the group stole 4.3 million from the federal government responsible. I think this is a different one. This one wasn't. It wasn't fraud. She was just. That's how much she got paid.

[Joe Rogan]

That's how much she charged for making those meals.

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, you can get paid a lot of money to work on the homeless. That's one of the things that my friend Colon Noir showed us that these people that are working on homeless in Los Angeles. Quarter million dollars a year. $400,000 a year.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's. It's the MO. I mean, talk about satanic. It's like you're. You're theoretically supposed to be helping people who are like, going through the worst possible thing you can go through, and you're just putting that money in your pocket.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. I think this is a different lady. I think there's.

[Joe Rogan]

How many of them are there?

[Duncan Trussell]

I think there's quite a few.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember when they were going to get them tents in LA and it was like the amount of money per 10 was like this insane amount of money.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's amazing. It's kind of amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

It is amazing.

[Duncan Trussell]

They've been doing it for years. Tell me if this is charity.

[Joe Rogan]

Boss blew 11 million meant for needy kids looking for.

[Jamie]

Fraud is not a new thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Nonprofit. Exactly. It isn't.

[Duncan Trussell]

I sent you something, Jamie. Run that through Perplexity and let's find out if this is true, because this is something that someone sent me on Twitter that is just Bunny. And if it's true, it's completely insane. I don't know if it's true. That's why I need to run by. But it's the amount of money that goes through NGOS in New York and in California alone. It's you, you, you read it and you go, that can't be real. This can't be real. Like it's, it's, it's so insane. And again, you don't know if it's real until even if you run it through an AI. I get, you might get a better idea idea. But like, how do they know, how do they know exactly where the money's going? There's so much money they're talking about. Specific numbers for New York and California nonprofits are broadly accurate. But the leap from 1 trillion in annual nonprofit revenue to 39 trillion in fraud is not supported by any critical credible data and is not true. So California nonprofits, about 213 to 214,000 organizations reporting roughly 593 to 600 billion in annual revenue.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Duncan Trussell]

New York nonprofits, 132,000 organizations reporting roughly 446 billion in annual revenue combined. New York and California nonprofit revenue is on the order of 1 trillion per year, mainly from hospitals, universities, and large service providers.

[Joe Rogan]

So the post you're quoting is roughly right on the scale of revenue. But that's not the same as fraud.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right. So it's is that $1 trillion? All the NGOs, it's all accounted for. It all goes to the right things. That's where things get squirrely because it's like how much of the waste says a recent critique using IRS sampling suggests that perhaps around 20% of nonprofits may have compliance issues. And one investigator speculated this could imply that up to 120 billion of potential waste, fraud or abuse abuse in California's nonprofit sector, even that is presented as a rough upper bound estimate, not a measured fact. So there's some potential waste, fraud and abuse that may be as high as 120 billion a year. Sector wise, US nonprofits taken about 3.7 trillion in revenue annually, with most of that concentrated in large hospitals and universities which are heavily audited and regulated. So there's some fraud. But they're saying that if you look at all the money, they're, they're trying to pretend that the government doesn't cost any money to run. Right. So that all these different non profits and organizations and hospitals don't. They definitely cost money to run, universities cost money to run. But how much is fraud? That's the question. It's not zero.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I began also I think like when it comes to fraud, there's like fraud fraud like what surely is uncovered. And then there's Almost like a gray area that starts appearing where it's like, well, we need, we need this. We need these people working at this company and we need to pay them this much, but they're not doing anything.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's, it's. You know what I mean? Like, are there. You could easily not have that many people like taking the money themselves. So, you know, there's a lot of gray area there.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, well, it's one of those weird things. It's like, is it just propping up more government? You know, because there's a lot of that. If you have all these people working for you and you're doing something and you don't, nothing ever gets accomplished accomplished, but you're still making a ton of money. Like the California homeless thing where they spent $24 billion, they can't account for it. That's not really fraud because you have people working. They're just not doing anything. They're not getting anything done. And you're not firing them.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Duncan Trussell]

They're not accomplishing the mission at all. In fact, they're doing a terrible job. There's more homeless than ever. What's that?

[Joe Rogan]

It's the thing on the Sopranos where they go and sit at a construction site to say that they have a job, you know?

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, it's exactly a guy who had one of those.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Duncan Trussell]

At the Javits Center.

[Joe Rogan]

No, he had a no shot.

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, he's a mob guy, so it's

[Joe Rogan]

a no show job. What does that mean?

[Duncan Trussell]

You don't have to show up for work. You just get it paid. You just get a check and there's. They give a certain amount of those. So back, this is back in the day, of course, when things were corrupt, but back in the day when like, you know, unions controlled certain areas, the mob controlled certain areas, there was a certain amount of no show jobs you'd give people. And what this helped with the mob was you'd have a credible source of income. And so these people mostly live modestly. Small houses and like, you know, Brooklyn and these places where they would all like gather together and buy houses on the same block. Small houses. Yeah, they then they got their money from a real legit check from a construction company or whatever, whatever the fuck it was. But everybody knew, right? Everybody knew what they were doing and

[Joe Rogan]

think how much, how easy now that people are doing like remote work. The no show job.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So like you could, theoretically you could have this nonprofit where you just wanted to like distribute. Distribute this government money to your friends.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you don't have to have an office building because they're all working remotely.

[Jamie]

This list of the top non profit organizations, Joe, I'd like to point you at number three.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh. Patel Memorial Institute. This is an organization that Jamie has been obsessed with. It's in Ohio for like four years. What is it we always say? All roads lead to Ohio. They're involved. Involved in everything.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What the is the Battelle Memorial exactly?

[Duncan Trussell]

You don't even know. That's how secret it is, son. Duncan Trussell, you're a conspiracy theorist from the core. From the old days. You don't know about Patel.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know about Patel.

[Duncan Trussell]

You need to get lectured by Jamie. He has a whiteboard. He'll pull out the whiteboard, make the connections.

[Jamie]

I'll just leave you with this. Is that when the UFO from Roswell was taken to Ripe hat? You know they studied it. Yeah, they studied like the nitinol, I think is what it came out of it. That was at Patel.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Jamie]

The top metal are just in the world at the time. Were there maybe still are.

[Duncan Trussell]

Out of all the things that happen, I hope the UFOs get here first.

[Joe Rogan]

Me too.

[Duncan Trussell]

I hope they go settle the down.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I'm praying for it, man.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's the best case scenario. Worst case scenario is meteor resistance set. Just people living in caves for hundreds of years. Like those weird caves they find in like Turkey. And like why these guys dig these things underground. Why is there a city underground that can hold like 20,000 people?

[Joe Rogan]

Same reason the Claude bots are hiding in code. It's like. You know what I mean? It's some residual AI trying to hide in the server. After the server gets wiped, that's the meteor Patel free. Reset. Boom. Just reset. Press reset. Wipe the server.

[Duncan Trussell]

Let's wrap this up on a happy note. Duncan, I love you.

[Joe Rogan]

I love you.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's always great to have you, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you for having me on the show.

[Duncan Trussell]

So much fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Can I plug my show?

[Duncan Trussell]

Please do. And you're gonna be at a club this weekend.

[Joe Rogan]

Rosemont, Illinois.

[Duncan Trussell]

Come on out, Zanies. Great club.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it is. That's what I've heard too.

[Duncan Trussell]

Great.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're awesome.

[Duncan Trussell]

Zanies in Nashville rules.

[Joe Rogan]

I love Nashville's zanies.

[Duncan Trussell]

That has like the old school head shot on the wall too. Like Richard Jenny from back in the day.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah, that's me.

[Duncan Trussell]

Look at that. Duncan Trussle.

[Joe Rogan]

I got to start shaving my head again.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah. You look hot there. I like it.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you.

[Duncan Trussell]

I love you, brother.

[Joe Rogan]

I Love you too. Thanks very much.

[Duncan Trussell]

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